It’s still a long way to the 2012 election, but hey … the numbers from the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll are really bad for Sarah Palin: Six in 10 Rule Out Palin In the Hunt for 2012 (PDF).
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:05:23am |
The link isn’t working for me.
But yeah, I don’t think Palin stands a chance in the general election. I do wonder if she’ll be the GOP nominee, and if not, who will be, and what factor she’ll play in the election.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:11:02am |
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:11:09am |
It’s still a long way to the 2012 election. After watching the polls for 18 years I know one thing for certain; you cannot predict with 100% accuracy who will win. The field is open and almost anything can happen.
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HypnoToad Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:11:17am |
I already gave her my vote once two years ago having done insufficient research on her. She won’t get another one.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:12:09am |
Here’s the PDF:
[Link: www.langerresearch.com…]
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:15:13am |
re: #5 PhillyPretzel
It’s still a long way to the 2012 election. After watching the polls for 18 years I know one thing for certain; you cannot predict with 100% accuracy who will win. The field is open and almost anything can happen.
Most people never heard of Barack Obama in 2006. Anything is possible in 2012. Two years is far away from telling who will be in the mix I think.
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:16:58am |
Few people had heard of Esther until the summer of 2008. Gee, thanks McCain.
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bratwurst Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:17:01am |
re: #5 PhillyPretzel
It’s still a long way to the 2012 election. After watching the polls for 18 years I know one thing for certain; you cannot predict with 100% accuracy who will win. The field is open and almost anything can happen.
Things will have almost certainly shaken out by 15 months from today. That is not a short time, but it is not a very long time either.
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elizajane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:17:28am |
My theory:
If Obama looks likely to win—ie., the economy continues to tick up—the Republican power-brokers will let Palin take the nomination and be wiped out. It will put her out of action for good, and give them an excuse for the Republicans having lost the election.
If Obama’s numbers sag, probably meaning the economy has slipped back, they will think they have a real chance of winning and will quietly demolish Palin.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:17:30am |
A few things of interest:
Eighty-two percent of Republicans flatly rule out even considering Obama for re-election, and precisely as many Democrats say there’s no way they’d vote for Palin. The difference, as usual in national politics, is independents: Sixty-two percent of them say they would not consider Palin for president; fewer, 40 percent, say no way to Obama
Adding Bloomberg to the race as an independent makes no substantive difference; he draws equally from Obama and Palin, producing standings of 47-31-18 percent. While far from a 3winning tally, that 18 percent nearly matches independent Ross Perot’s vote total in 1992, the best showing by an independent candidate since Teddy Roosevelt’s attempted comeback 80 years earlier
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Obama gave his convention speech in 2004.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:18:04am |
So when the Republicans nominate her anyway, it will be obvious that the fringe is in control of the process.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:19:45am |
re: #14 wrenchwench
She may not run. They may pay her off not to. And I do mean that literally.
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RogueOne Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:19:46am |
re: #14 wrenchwench
So when the Republicans nominate her anyway, it will be obvious that the fringe is in control of the process.
The fringe has always been in control of the process. The fringes nominate, the middle elects.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:20:56am |
re: #15 Obdicut
She may not run. They may pay her off not to. And I do mean that literally.
Yeah, I don’t think “pretty please” would do it.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:22:31am |
re: #13 Obdicut
Obama gave his convention speech in 2004.
A lot of politicians low on the totem pole spoke at those conventions. Barely anyone pays attention to those speakers, the superstars get the press coverage. Everyone was paying attention to Hillary back then. Obama snuck in around 2007 and beat her in 2008.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:22:50am |
Looks like the next election will be all about who not to vote for….
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:22:51am |
re: #14 wrenchwench
So when the Republicans nominate her anyway, it will be obvious that the fringe is in control of the process.
Considering what a grub Palin is she’ll set herself up for that kind of payoff.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:23:16am |
re: #16 RogueOne
The fringe has always been in control of the process. The fringes nominate, the middle elects.
Since “fringe” is about all the Republicans have left, I don’t think they’ll be electing anyone…
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:24:35am |
re: #18 NJDhockeyfan
No, Obama got a lot of attention after that speech. That’s what catapulted him to attention. That and his two books.
It is certainly possible for someone new to emerge from the GOP fold, but given the current makeup of the GOP, they are pretty much going to have to be a creationist or close to it, and I don’t think that will make for an electable candidate. Not even if the economy is still perceived as shaky.
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bratwurst Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:24:47am |
re: #19 jamesfirecat
Looks like the next election will be all about who not to vote for…
Typically comes down to the lesser of two evils or the evil of two lessers.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:25:46am |
re: #22 Obdicut
No, Obama got a lot of attention after that speech. That’s what catapulted him to attention. That and his two books.
It is certainly possible for someone new to emerge from the GOP fold, but given the current makeup of the GOP, they are pretty much going to have to be a creationist or close to it, and I don’t think that will make for an electable candidate. Not even if the economy is still perceived as shaky.
GOP’s only hope is someone like Scott Brown. I used to think Romeny but he’s just to off the wall and hypocritical.
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:26:25am |
re: #18 NJDhockeyfan
A lot of politicians low on the totem pole spoke at those conventions. Barely anyone pays attention to those speakers, the superstars get the press coverage. Everyone was paying attention to Hillary back then. Obama snuck in around 2007 and beat her in 2008.
Beg to differ. Obama’s speech at the 2004 convention was a barn-burner that most definitely put him in the spotlight on the left. He was was talked about as a contender from that night, winning his race for Senate, and publishing a best-selling book. It was not really a matter of “if” but “when” with the only concerns really being that 2008 was too soon for him to win.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:26:39am |
re: #18 NJDhockeyfan
A lot of politicians low on the totem pole spoke at those conventions. Barely anyone pays attention to those speakers, the superstars get the press coverage. Everyone was paying attention to Hillary back then. Obama snuck in around 2007 and beat her in 2008.
Usually, yeah. But that was a starmaking turn. It was all the blogs and Sunday shows could talk about. (it wasn’t just “a” speech, it was the keynote… and it was huge. More talked about than Kerry’s speech).
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:26:58am |
re: #24 Gus 802
Scott Brown would be a viable choice in terms of the national election, but I really, especially after his DADT vote, don’t see him getting the nomination. If he does, then the GOP will be clawing its way back towards a little sanity.
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Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:27:24am |
re: #18 NJDhockeyfan
A lot of politicians low on the totem pole spoke at those conventions. Barely anyone pays attention to those speakers, the superstars get the press coverage. Everyone was paying attention to Hillary back then. Obama snuck in around 2007 and beat her in 2008.
Huh?
I remember that speech quite well. Bummer Fox didn’t cover it.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:29:53am |
re: #28 Stanley Sea
Huh?
I remember that speech quite well. Bummer Fox didn’t cover it.
Fox didn’t cover it? I didn’t know that.
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sagehen Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:30:07am |
re: #24 Gus 802
GOP’s only hope is someone like Scott Brown. I used to think Romeny but he’s just to off the wall and hypocritical.
There’s a sane guy out of one of the Southwest states (can’t remember offhand now if it was Arizona or New Mexico — a former governor, libertarianish, pretty far left on the social issues but a deficit hawk and foreign policy realist).
Reason magazine and Andrew Sullivan have been pushing him; so maybe if The Usual Suspects split the loon vote, he’ll get enough leftovers to have a shot.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:30:17am |
re: #26 sagehen
Usually, yeah. But that was a starmaking turn. It was all the blogs and Sunday shows could talk about. (it wasn’t just “a” speech, it was the keynote… and it was huge. More talked about than Kerry’s speech).
Everyone remembered Obama after that, yeah. Still, the stars aligned for him, in a lot of ways.
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Batman Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:30:40am |
Of course, her exploratory committee will tell her she’s a shoo-in. Don’t anger the mama grizzly.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:30:42am |
re: #27 Obdicut
Scott Brown would be a viable choice in terms of the national election, but I really, especially after his DADT vote, don’t see him getting the nomination. If he does, then the GOP will be clawing its way back towards a little sanity.
Yeah. Or he’d pull a Frankenstein like McCain and Romney. Meet the new Scott Brown! I was for repealing DADT before I was against it!
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:30:55am |
re: #18 NJDhockeyfan
A lot of politicians low on the totem pole spoke at those conventions.
He gave the keynote speech, and it was awesome, it kind of marked him as a rising star within the party. Assuming one was paying attention.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:32:14am |
re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist
Everyone remembered Obama after that, yeah. Still, the stars aligned for him, in a lot of ways.
I never even heard of Obama until 2008. Maybe it was late 2007.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:32:54am |
I don’t see how any GOP candidate stands a chance of the nomination unless they’re onboard with the full religious right agenda. With the advance of the Teabaggers, the fundamentalist throwbacks have really solidified their hold on the GOP, and I can’t see it changing soon. If ever.
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elizajane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:32:59am |
re: #15 Obdicut
She may not run. They may pay her off not to. And I do mean that literally.
But would the “payment” need to be some major cabinet position? An ambassadorship?
What do you think she actually wants so badly that she’d give up running for president to get it? And would it be worth making her, oh, Secretary of State?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:34:18am |
re: #35 Gus 802
I never even heard of Obama until 2008. Maybe it was late 2007.
OK—I was aware of him after The Speech, and recognized his name when it came up again in the primary talks.
Of course, I scoffed, and all my friends scoffed with me, at the idea that a black man OR a woman would get the nomination that year. Man, were we out of touch!
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:34:36am |
re: #36 Charles
I don’t see how any GOP candidate stands a chance of the nomination unless they’re onboard with the full religious right agenda. With the advance of the Teabaggers, the fundamentalist throwbacks have really solidified their hold on the GOP, and I can’t see it changing soon. If ever.
Indeed.
CNN AND TEA PARTY EXPRESS TO HOST GOP PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IN 2011
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:35:21am |
re: #36 Charles
I don’t see how any GOP candidate stands a chance of the nomination unless they’re onboard with the full religious right agenda. With the advance of the Teabaggers, the fundamentalist throwbacks have really solidified their hold on the GOP, and I can’t see it changing soon. If ever.
Repeat of Bob Dole in 1996.
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:37:26am |
re: #39 allegro
Oops… the link to that article.
Now, in partnership with CNN, the Tea Party Express will be hosting a presidential debate for Republican primary candidates in 2011, both organizations announced Friday. CNN Political Director, Sam Feist said:
“The Tea Party movement is a fascinating, diverse, grassroots force that already has drastically changed the country’s political landscape. Undecided voters turn to CNN to educate themselves during election cycles, so it is a natural fit for CNN to provide a platform for the diverse perspectives within the Republican Party, including those of the Tea Party.”
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:37:44am |
re: #37 elizajane
But would the “payment” need to be some major cabinet position? An ambassadorship?
What do you think she actually wants so badly that she’d give up running for president to get it? And would it be worth making her, oh, Secretary of State?
Money.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:38:52am |
Watch the GOP UnCivil war over the coming months. The Tea Party will rise or wane in telling fashion.
[Link: www.politico.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
And Scott Brown is acting (DADT), as if he had no Tea party roots. I always thought they latched onto him more than vice versa.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:39:43am |
re: #40 Gus 802
Repeat of Bob Dole in 1996.
I have great respect for Bob Dole given that he said something I think far too few people are willing to say in politics “If you hate, I don’t want your vote.”
(At least that’s how I remember it going)
That said, his particular manner of speech is just such a goldmine for comedy I kid cause I love….
///Yes Bob Dole lost the last election, and Bob Dole also lost the ability to say the letter (sound of gargling) but Bob Dole still remember the day Bob Dole married Liddy Dole, Bob Dole gave her a diamond so small it was invisible to the naked Bob Dole….
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Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:40:23am |
re: #37 elizajane
But would the “payment” need to be some major cabinet position? An ambassadorship?
What do you think she actually wants so badly that she’d give up running for president to get it? And would it be worth making her, oh, Secretary of State?
Secretary of State? ha! She couldn’t be diplomatic if she tried. What did she say on Bill O’Reilly the other night? Talking about Krauthammer’s quote about her:
Her response was vintage Palin, combining a sort of schoolyard banter with bristling resentment. “Oooh. Sorry that I’m not so hoity-toity,” was the best she could come up with as a retort while gesturing that she was not someone who had to put her finger in the air to determine what to think, as if the intellectual yet down-to-earth conservative sage Krauthammer was some liberal media consultant.
[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com…]
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SpaceJesus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:40:39am |
ah a nice grizzly bear throw rug for the oval office come 2013
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:41:37am |
re: #46 SpaceJesus
Obama might just like that, enjoying the irony of an Alaskan trophy on his floor.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:41:52am |
re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist
OK—I was aware of him after The Speech, and recognized his name when it came up again in the primary talks.
Of course, I scoffed, and all my friends scoffed with me, at the idea that a black man OR a woman would get the nomination that year. Man, were we out of touch!
My naivety was in assuming he could win and that a third or more of the country wouldn’t then completely lose their shit.
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:42:10am |
re: #45 Stanley Sea
Whenever I see her quoted I immediately regress to junior high.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:42:46am |
re: #43 Rightwingconspirator
Watch the GOP UnCivil war over the coming months. The Tea Party will rise or wane in telling fashion.
[Link: www.politico.com…][Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
And Scott Brown is acting (DADT), as if he had no Tea party roots. I always thought they latched onto him more than vice versa.
They did.
But I recall CapeCoddah being downdinged and hollered at when he was elected, for daring to suggest that was the case. He was never a “Tea Partier”. He was, however, a candidate the Mass. Tea Party folks could support.
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BadgerB Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:45:18am |
re: #8 NJDhockeyfan
Most people never heard of Barack Obama in 2006. Anything is possible in 2012. Two years is far away from telling who will be in the mix I think.
There is a big difference between “never heard of” and “already made my mind up to dislike”. Someone (e.g. Obama) with little public recognition can make a big move in a short time by making a good impression on (the many) people who haven’t heard of them yet. Once someone makes up their mind, especially in a negative way, its VERY hard to change.
That is why people always list the size of the undecided vote in political polls, that is a very good measure of how much ‘wiggle’ is left in the race. Once voters go into a specific for/against column, they are hard to move out.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:45:26am |
re: #52 Gus 802
Image: bolton_cat_by_jamesfirecat-d34ait7.jpg
///Not since Taft would such a fine mustache have been elected to the Oval Office…
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:45:54am |
re: #52 Gus 802
Yes, funny. Some folks may support him.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:46:48am |
re: #55 PhillyPretzel
Yes, funny. Some folks may support him.
Yeah. Mr. Personality himself. I think ol’ Newt would stand a better chance.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:47:38am |
re: #52 Gus 802
Another Fox News contributor, and one I think is totally unelectable with his radical hawkish views.
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Linden Arden Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:48:13am |
re: #30 sagehen
There’s a sane guy out of one of the Southwest states (can’t remember offhand now if it was Arizona or New Mexico — a former governor, libertarianish, pretty far left on the social issues but a deficit hawk and foreign policy realist).
Reason magazine and Andrew Sullivan have been pushing him; so maybe if The Usual Suspects split the loon vote, he’ll get enough leftovers to have a shot.
Gary Johnson.
But I am pretty sure he is pro-choice and know he supports legal weed so don’t think the SoCons would ever support him.
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Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:48:29am |
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:48:39am |
re: #57 blueraven
Another Fox News contributor, and one I think is totally unelectable with his radical hawkish views.
Or a totally one dimensional candidate.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:50:01am |
re: #57 blueraven
Another Fox News contributor, and one I think is totally unelectable with his radical hawkish views.
I’d take Bolton in a heartbeat….if he keeps his religion out of sight, whatever they are
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bratwurst Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:50:50am |
re: #52 Gus 802
If he could be convinced to take up the “Rent Is Too Damn High Guy” as a running mate, they could be a bad facial foliage dream team!
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:52:08am |
re: #63 albusteve
I’d take Bolton in a heartbeat…if he keeps his religion out of sight, whatever they are
Respectfully, I think you would be in the minority on that.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:52:52am |
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:53:28am |
re: #1 MikeySDCA
They finally took a poll with people who can count to 11 with [nothing but] their shoes on.
Men?
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:55:06am |
re: #63 albusteve
I’d take Bolton in a heartbeat…if he keeps his religion out of sight, whatever they are
That’s fine but here’s the difference from my POV. I would consider voting for a Scott Brown. I would vote for Obama though if his opponent is a John Bolton.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:55:18am |
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
A couple more posters got zotted today.Guess we need another reminder:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR. Homosexuals already have the same “rights” as everyone else. God did not grant and the constitution does not guarantee homosexuals any special rights. In fact, the homosexual agenda is a full frontal attack on OUR God-given, constitutionally protected rights to free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, Life, Family, Marriage, Pursuit of Happiness, etc.
I don’t want it on FR and won’t have it on FR.
Like abortion, if you support the homosexual agenda on FR, your account here will be zotted!
Don’t like it? Tough frickin Shinola! Get the hell OFF this conservative site!!
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BadgerB Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:55:55am |
re: #51 reine.de.tout
They did.
But I recall CapeCoddah being downdinged and hollered at when he was elected, for daring to suggest that was the case. He was never a “Tea Partier”. He was, however, a candidate the Mass. Tea Party folks could support.
This is pretty much spot on. He campaigned as your next door neighbor who happened to hold basically Republican positions but in a down to earth, reasonable sort of way. He was a Tea Party hero because he won a Mass Senate seat for the Republicans but if he had played the part of a real “Tea Partier” he never would have won.
[and as he did today, he hasn’t always sided with the Senate Republicans. Usually but no always]
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:56:00am |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
Another Freeper purge!
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:58:35am |
re: #68 Gus 802
That’s fine but here’s the difference from my POV. I would consider voting for a Scott Brown. I would vote for Obama though if his opponent is a John Bolton.
Brown is at the top for me, if I even have the wherewithall to vote….BO is out of the question at this point…but besides Brown, the cupboard is empty at this point
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 11:59:26am |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
W.T.F? The ability to serve in the military or get married to the person you choose are “special rights”? Allowing them the same rights as heterosexuals ore an attack on their free speech, etc?
What kind of brain structure can support that level of dissonance?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:00:30pm |
OT: I can’t believe how much referrer spam is being spewed onto the web lately. Every time I check our referrers page, there’s more of it. What a pain. If I don’t continually zap the IPs and URLs, they’ll fill up the whole page.
I’ve now blocked most of the Ubiquity Servers network, because they’re responsible for an enormous amount of the bottom-feeding spam that’s coming from the US. In case you run a server and want to block them too, here’s the list of CIDRs I’m using:
deny from 173.208.60.0/22 #Ubiquity Servers
deny from 174.34.170.0/23
deny from 69.147.224.0/19
deny from 64.120.30.0/23
deny from 173.234.28.0/22
deny from 173.208.14.0/24
deny from 173.234.244.0/22
deny from 64.120.116.0/24
There are probably more blocks in the Ubiquity network, but these seem to be the worst offenders.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:00:42pm |
re: #73 allegro
W.T.F? The ability to serve in the military or get married to the person you choose are “special rights”? Allowing them the same rights as heterosexuals ore an attack on their free speech, etc?
What kind of brain structure can support that level of dissonance?
lunatics…making something from nothing to fuel their personal agenda…the worst type
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:01:50pm |
re: #30 sagehen
There’s a sane guy out of one of the Southwest states (can’t remember offhand now if it was Arizona or New Mexico — a former governor, libertarianish, pretty far left on the social issues but a deficit hawk and foreign policy realist).
Reason magazine and Andrew Sullivan have been pushing him; so maybe if The Usual Suspects split the loon vote, he’ll get enough leftovers to have a shot.
I believe you are thinking of former Governor Gary “I Smoked Marijuana from 2005 to 2008” Johnson. Not sane. Voted for a Constitution Party candidate for president in 2008. Not sane, unless you consider Andrew Napolitano sane. But then, I don’t care for Reason Magazine. YMMV.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:05:18pm |
re: #59 Linden Arden
Gary Johnson.
But I am pretty sure he is pro-choice and know he supports legal weed so don’t think the SoCons would ever support him.
I see you already handled this one…partially anyway.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:06:17pm |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
some of the comments:
I’m all for the repeal of DADT. Ask long as we go back to the original standard of NO FAGS IN THE MILITARY!
No to buggerers in barracks!
Boss they are with us or the Queers, NO in between.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:08:01pm |
re: #73 allegro
W.T.F? The ability to serve in the military or get married to the person you choose are “special rights”? Allowing them the same rights as heterosexuals ore an attack on their free speech, etc?
What kind of brain structure can support that level of dissonance?
It’s the same kind of “logic” that led Confederates to go to war to preserve their “right” to own human beings.
Incidentally, Lizardoids should avoid reading the comments on that thread if they have a low tolerance for exposure to homophobia, slurs, historical revisionism, and religious bigotry.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:10:56pm |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
Yay, another excuse to post the Dan Lacey painting of Jim Robinson.
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Spocomptonite Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:11:21pm |
re: #37 elizajane
But would the “payment” need to be some major cabinet position? An ambassadorship?
What do you think she actually wants so badly that she’d give up running for president to get it? And would it be worth making her, oh, Secretary of State?
It would be lots of cash or a T.V. show. Or maybe leadership in FOX News. She has no interest in any government position except for the fame and power it grants her, and cash and media positions fulfill those needs better than being anything less than POTUS.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:13:11pm |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
JR is a nut’s nut.
At least twice, he arranged the mass ‘zotting’ and exodus of scientists from FR.
Can’t have those intellectuals hiding out among the loons now, can we?
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saquin Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:14:44pm |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Wow. FreeRepublic has really gone off the deep end. I was a member there since 1997 and, while always conservative, I do remember when it allowed varying viewpoints and used to host some interesting discussions. Now? It’s just crazytown. I stopped posting about a year or so ago and now just occasionaly lurk silently and shake my head at teh crazy.
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Kronocide Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:14:45pm |
re: #85 b_sharp
Can’t have those intellectuals hiding out among the loons now, can we?
Next he’ll go after the doctors and journalists, then people with glasses.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:16:07pm |
re: #87 saquin
Wow. FreeRepublic has really gone off the deep end. I was a member there since 1997 and, while always conservative, I do remember when it allowed varying viewpoints and used to host some interesting discussions. Now? It’s just crazytown. I stopped posting about a year or so ago and now just occasionaly lurk silently and shake my head at teh crazy.
Alouette says the same. I wasn’t aware of them before they went off the deep end.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:16:18pm |
Again, DADT repeal is a HUGE issue to the far right. If not for their fanatical opposition it would probably be seen as a fairly ordinary, if belated, adjustment to changing social conditions.
As it is, it can be seen as further accelerating a very disturbing trend I’ve noticed in recent months: The rapid decline in right-wing support and respect for the military. We see this in things like the mainstreaming of the lurid martial law fantasies espoused by Alex Jones and the Oathkeepers organization and the recent article disparaging the Medal of Honor. To many on the right, the military is becoming a kind of super-ACORN with better weapons.
| 91 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:16:24pm |
re: #88 BigPapa
Next he’ll go after the doctors and journalists, then people with glasses.
No, no, Palin wears glasses!
| 93 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:18:06pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
Again, DADT repeal is a HUGE issue to the far right. If not for their fanatical opposition it would probably be seen as a fairly ordinary, if belated, adjustment to changing social conditions.
As it is, it can be seen as further accelerating a very disturbing trend I’ve noticed in recent months: The rapid decline in right-wing support and respect for the military. We see this in things like the mainstreaming of the lurid martial law fantasies espoused by Alex Jones and the Oathkeepers organization and the recent article disparaging the Medal of Honor. To many on the right, the military is becoming a kind of super-ACORN with better weapons.
///A super-ACORN does that mean they’ll go around helping people register to vote?
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:18:40pm |
The GOP really is fucked, and if i’m wrong, we’re fucked.
Anybody who could excite the GOP base, and win the nomination in the primaries will be too crazy to win the general election, and anyone moderate enough to win the general election will never get the nomination from the base.
They can win elections in red states, and will continue to do so, with increasingly crazy nominees, even while their fate nationally becomes a permanent demographic minority.
Or, once again, we really are fucked.
| 95 |
webevintage Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:18:42pm |
re: #84 Stanley Sea
Final vote underway.
I’m so glad I went ahead and turned on C-SPAN, I would have NEVER wanted to miss this vote.
| 96 |
b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:19:23pm |
re: #87 saquin
Wow. FreeRepublic has really gone off the deep end. I was a member there since 1997 and, while always conservative, I do remember when it allowed varying viewpoints and used to host some interesting discussions. Now? It’s just crazytown. I stopped posting about a year or so ago and now just occasionaly lurk silently and shake my head at teh crazy.
I was an active member there for a couple of years and left to help establish DarwinCentral during the latest expulsion of scientists. I left DC when after the 2008 election it became FR junior.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:20:24pm |
re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist
Alouette says the same. I wasn’t aware of them before they went off the deep end.
They’ve always been off the deep end, it was just hidden better.
| 99 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:20:30pm |
re: #93 jamesfirecat
///A super-ACORN does that mean they’ll go around helping people register to vote?
Various wingnuts do in fact see voter registration as one of the tasks the military would assume under martial law, with all opponents and patriots being denied the franchise and sent off to the FEMA gulag, naturally.
| 101 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:21:24pm |
I see the distinct possibility of widespread violence when Obama wins in 2012.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:23:16pm |
Maybe a few more republicans will vote for repeal in order to be on the right side of history.
| 104 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:24:13pm |
re: #101 Fozzie Bear
I see the distinct possibility of widespread violence when Obama wins in 2012.
I doubt it…don’t get too carried away with the rhetoric
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:24:13pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
Again, DADT repeal is a HUGE issue to the far right. If not for their fanatical opposition it would probably be seen as a fairly ordinary, if belated, adjustment to changing social conditions.
As it is, it can be seen as further accelerating a very disturbing trend I’ve noticed in recent months: The rapid decline in right-wing support and respect for the military. We see this in things like the mainstreaming of the lurid martial law fantasies espoused by Alex Jones and the Oathkeepers organization and the recent article disparaging the Medal of Honor. To many on the right, the military is becoming a kind of super-ACORN with better weapons.
I realize I have a lot of personal anger about this. During the Bush years, there was a lot of disparaging of liberals as anti-military. We went to war in Afghanistan, then in Iraq. Two of my college friends lost brothers in Iraq. My brother-in-law is in Afghanistan for the third time, maybe fourth, I’ve lost count, and has apparently lost his mind. The whole time, right-wing pundits were chirping away about how much they LOOOOVED the troops, and how people like me didn’t understand, ‘cause liberals don’t serve in the military.
Now they’ve lost interest in their pet military because the CiC is someone they don’t like? Damn them to hell.
| 106 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:24:56pm |
re: #101 Fozzie Bear
I see the distinct possibility of widespread violence when Obama wins in 2012.
I really don’t. I think these people, for the most part, are still just assholes with big mouths.
| 107 |
goddamnedfrank Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:25:03pm |
C-SPAN.org is totally glacial right now.
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Kronocide Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:25:39pm |
re: #104 albusteve
I doubt it…don’t get too carried away with the rhetoric
Why not? They seem to get carried away with it. Calling a spade a spade is not getting carried away.
| 109 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:25:55pm |
re: #107 goddamnedfrank
C-SPAN.org is totally glacial right now.
And generally about as fun to watch as one.
| 110 |
KingKenrod Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:25:59pm |
re: #90 Shiplord Kirel
Again, DADT repeal is a HUGE issue to the far right. If not for their fanatical opposition it would probably be seen as a fairly ordinary, if belated, adjustment to changing social conditions.
As it is, it can be seen as further accelerating a very disturbing trend I’ve noticed in recent months: The rapid decline in right-wing support and respect for the military. We see this in things like the mainstreaming of the lurid martial law fantasies espoused by Alex Jones and the Oathkeepers organization and the recent article disparaging the Medal of Honor. To many on the right, the military is becoming a kind of super-ACORN with better weapons.
I don’t if know if it’s as bad as that. The crazies make the most noise, but most conservatives probably see the military as something that is being co-opted by leftists like Obama, not as something that is intrinsically becoming a threat. The goal is not to oppose the military, but to liberate it. That will be the mainstream conservative position going into 2012.
| 111 |
Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:27:43pm |
re: #101 Fozzie Bear
I do not agree. Isolated incidents sure, but truly widespread? Nah.
| 112 |
Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:28:12pm |
re: #110 KingKenrod
How the hell can the Commander in Chief “Co-opt” the military?
That makes no sense.
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Spocomptonite Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:28:51pm |
re: #101 Fozzie Bear
I see the distinct possibility of widespread violence when Obama wins in 2012.
I thought that about 2008, but it didn’t happen. Apparently, there’s a much bigger gap than I thought between voicing crazy shit and actually doing crazy shit. I still think that the gap is quite large and hasn’t been crossed yet. That’s not to say there won’t be isolated incidents, but widespread? No way.
Or, to put it more succinctly, Hot Air is nothing but hot air.
| 115 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:28:55pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
I’ve decided we need to get the hell out of Astan, pronto…we simply cannot get it done with Karzai and the resistance that the Pakis are helping to choke off our efforts there…Americans are dying for a lost cause, and that REALLY makes me angry
| 116 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:30:05pm |
| 117 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:30:13pm |
re: #115 albusteve
They don’t call Afghanistan “The Graveyard of Empires” for nothing. It’s not possible to establish a stable democracy there. It never was a possibility.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:30:24pm |
| 121 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:30:39pm |
| 123 |
b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:30:49pm |
re: #115 albusteve
I’ve decided we need to get the hell out of Astan, pronto…we simply cannot get it done with Karzai and the resistance that the Pakis are helping to choke off our efforts there…Americans [and Canadians] are dying for a lost cause, and that REALLY makes me angry
Minor adjustment.
| 124 |
jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:32:04pm |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
Reality has been acknowledged by the Congress!
| 125 |
b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:32:27pm |
re: #116 albusteve
finally, some sanity
What did that bit of (artificial) sanity on the part of GOP cost?
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:32:44pm |
Great now we’ll all be rounded up in GAY fema camps. /
| 127 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:33:00pm |
re: #117 Fozzie Bear
They don’t call Afghanistan “The Graveyard of Empires” for nothing. It’s not possible to establish a stable democracy there. It never was a possibility.
to me, the point was to eliminate the Talis, and to hell with the rest…but even that is not possible…they are organic and will last as long as they want….it is the will of Allah
| 128 |
webevintage Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:33:06pm |
Right now I feel all warm and fuzzy about being an American…..
It is nice to see civil rights move forward.
Oh and there goes that warm feeling, here comes grumpy Grandpa McCain….
| 129 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:33:53pm |
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:35:32pm |
re: #125 b_sharp
What did that bit of (artificial) sanity on the part of GOP cost?
their jobs, I hope….voting against it was absolutely unacceptable
| 132 |
Spocomptonite Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:35:48pm |
re: #128 webevintage
Right now I feel all warm and fuzzy about being an American…
It is nice to see civil rights move forward.
Oh and there goes that warm feeling, here comes grumpy Grandpa McCain…
Then you can be warm and fuzzy about being American but not Arizonan.
Unless you are from Arizona. Then you have my deepest sympathies.
| 133 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:36:38pm |
re: #126 Fozzie Bear
Great now we’ll all be rounded up in GAY fema camps. /
At least the trailers will be FABULOUS! I want one of the glittery purple ones.
//
| 134 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:36:45pm |
re: #132 Spocomptonite
Then you can be warm and fuzzy about being American but not Arizonan.
Unless you are from Arizona. Then you have my deepest sympathies.
bullshit…that’s ridiculous
| 135 |
Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:37:06pm |
| 136 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:37:38pm |
re: #114 Gus 802
DADT has been repealed.
F*** yes!
Break out the phallic shaped guns….
Oh wait do we have any non phallic shaped guns?
| 137 |
blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:38:24pm |
Republicans John Ensign NV, and Richard Burr NC also voted for repeal in addition to the 6 who voted for cloture. Good on them!
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Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:38:24pm |
BarackObama (Twitter)
By ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” no longer will patriotic Americans be asked to live a lie in order to serve the country they love.
| 139 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:39:43pm |
I am really happy about the DADT repeal. I can hear my nutjob evangelical right wing neighbor screaming at his TV right now through the walls, and nothing could make me happier.
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Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:40:16pm |
And again, this Congress has been extremely successful.
| 141 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:40:19pm |
re: #136 jamesfirecat
F*** yes!
Break out the phallic shaped guns…
Oh wait do we have any non phallic shaped guns?
not cool
| 142 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:40:36pm |
re: #140 Stanley Sea
And again, this Congress has been extremely successful.
hahahaha!
pass the bong
| 143 |
b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:41:18pm |
re: #139 Fozzie Bear
I am really happy about the DADT repeal. I can hear my nutjob evangelical right wing neighbor screaming at his TV right now through the walls, and nothing could make me happier.
Share the joy.
Could you record his screams and post the mp3?
| 144 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:42:18pm |
re: #143 b_sharp
Share the joy.
Could you record his screams and post the mp3?
HAHAHAHA
I can barely make out what he’s saying apart from the occasional “FUCKING FAGS” being blurted out tourette’s-style.
| 145 |
Skeetghazi Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:43:08pm |
Since it’s such a historic day, let’s laugh together at Bryan Fischer of the hate group American Family Association, whose response is SUPER crybaby. First the headline:Benedict Arnold Republicans destroy military and our national security
[Link: www.truthwinsout.org…]
| 146 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:47:45pm |
This is going to “activate” the GOP base in a huge way, if my neighbor is any indication. He’s my personal winger barometer.
| 147 |
sagehen Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:49:14pm |
re: #146 Fozzie Bear
This is going to “activate” the GOP base in a huge way, if my neighbor is any indication. He’s my personal winger barometer.
So low information voters will no longer be able to avoid knowing how totally whacko the whackos have become?
| 148 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:50:13pm |
re: #138 Stanley Sea
BarackObama (Twitter)
By ending “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” no longer will patriotic Americans be asked to live a lie in order to serve the country they love.
Fuck yeah!
| 149 |
SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:52:26pm |
re: #145 Stanley Sea
[Link: www.truthwinsout.org…]
Jesus, they’re just GAY. They’re not actually dangerous. Except to the enemy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:53:11pm |
re: #146 Fozzie Bear
This is going to “activate” the GOP base in a huge way, if my neighbor is any indication. He’s my personal winger barometer.
I only wish your neighbor could know how much enjoyment he is adding to my Shabbos afternoon.
Schadenfreude, hell yeah.
| 151 |
Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:54:18pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I only wish your neighbor could know how much enjoyment he is adding to my Shabbos afternoon.
Schadenfreude, hell yeah.
HAHAHAHA yes I am savoring every moment. This shit-eating grin isn’t leaving my face for awhile.
| 152 |
calochortus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:54:44pm |
Yea! Now could we move on and repeal DOMA? Just a thought from a happily married straight person who wants other people to be happy too…
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:56:31pm |
re: #146 Fozzie Bear
This is going to “activate” the GOP base in a huge way, if my neighbor is any indication. He’s my personal winger barometer.
Let us know if his head explodes. A vid would be great.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:58:19pm |
re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist
Jesus, they’re just GAY. They’re not actually dangerous. Except to the enemy.
But, but, the gay bug may rub off onto the big, tough, manly men soldiers and they’ll start decorating their barracks rather than killing the enemy.
| 155 |
calochortus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:58:38pm |
re: #153 b_sharp
Let us know if his head explodes. A vid would be great.
But messy, keep your paper towels handy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:11:58pm |
re: #154 b_sharp
But, but, the gay bug may rub off onto the big, tough, manly men soldiers and they’ll start decorating their barracks rather than killing the enemy.
Yeah. Alexander the Great used to do that all the time. I hear he was fond of elaborate window treatments.
//
| 157 |
Romantic Heretic Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:54:22pm |
re: #41 allegro
Oops… the link to that article.
Diverse perspectives?
Apparently CNN has discovered a meaning for ‘diverse’ that I have not considered before.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:58:55pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
All he wants is access to the football. There won’t be any more trouble with other countries if there aren’t any other countries.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:00:06pm |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
And so the ‘conservatives’ show their unwavering support for free speech yet again.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:07:37pm |
re: #115 albusteve
I’ve decided we need to get the hell out of Astan, pronto…we simply cannot get it done with Karzai and the resistance that the Pakis are helping to choke off our efforts there…Americans are dying for a lost cause, and that REALLY makes me angry
Please, be careful with your language. I don’t believe we can use the ‘n word’ here. The word I bolded is in the same class, in my opinion.
| 161 |
albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:08:33pm |
re: #160 Romantic Heretic
Please, be careful with your language. I don’t believe we can use the ‘n word’ here. The word I bolded is in the same class, in my opinion.
I don’t
| 162 |
Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:16:04pm |
re: #74 Charles
OT: I can’t believe how much referrer spam is being spewed onto the web lately. Every time I check our referrers page, there’s more of it. What a pain. If I don’t continually zap the IPs and URLs, they’ll fill up the whole page.
I’ve now blocked most of the Ubiquity Servers network, because they’re responsible for an enormous amount of the bottom-feeding spam that’s coming from the US. In case you run a server and want to block them too, here’s the list of CIDRs I’m using:
deny from 173.208.60.0/22 #Ubiquity Servers
deny from 174.34.170.0/23
deny from 69.147.224.0/19
deny from 64.120.30.0/23
deny from 173.234.28.0/22
deny from 173.208.14.0/24
deny from 173.234.244.0/22
deny from 64.120.116.0/24There are probably more blocks in the Ubiquity network, but these seem to be the worst offenders.
Have you seen fail2ban? [Link: www.fail2ban.org…]
I use it on all my dedicated/virtual servers that face the net.
You can write regular expressions to monitor any type of log to automate the banning of ip’s.
Individual ban times can be imposed on each rule set written.
Unbanning happens automatically.
Its a handy utility that interacts with iptables.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:17:34pm |
re: #161 albusteve
Quelle surprise.
I can’t stand the word because about 25 years ago, here in Toronto, a certain segment of our population discovered the ‘Paki bashing’ was a good way to spend the time. A number of recent immigrants were beaten. One was pushed onto subway tracks as a train came in. He managed to roll under the platform before it hit him.
I’ve loathed the word ever since.
| 164 |
Lidane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:54:10pm |
re: #69 Shiplord Kirel
Free Republic founder and chief moderator Jim Robinson lays down the law:
If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-constitution and you’ll get the zot from FR!
Reading this makes the DADT repeal that much sweeter. Heh.
| 165 |
Interesting Times Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:01:32pm |
re: #163 Romantic Heretic
I can’t stand the word because about 25 years ago, here in Toronto, a certain segment of our population discovered the ‘Paki bashing’ was a good way to spend the time. A number of recent immigrants were beaten. One was pushed onto subway tracks as a train came in. He managed to roll under the platform before it hit him.
I’ve loathed the word ever since.
I’ve had it thrown in my face by racist scumbags due to my ethnic background, so naturally I loathe it to. And comments that casually use it make LGF look bad.
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