Here’s Julian Assange walking out of an interview with ABC News reporter Jim Sciutto and calling him a ‘Tabloid Schmuck,’ when Sciutto asks a question about one of the details in the rape allegations against Assange.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:28:19pm |
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Curt Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:29:47pm |
He’s not helping himself by deciding he’s the arbitration authority of who gets to know what….
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:29:48pm |
He spread all that intelligence and kept none for himself.
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Spocomptonite Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:33:08pm |
His arrogance is astonishing. Almost as much as his hypocrisy about the publicity of his dirty laundry vs. him airing international dirty laundry.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:35:10pm |
The Wall Street Journal take on Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal. [Link: online.wsj.com…]
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:35:22pm |
Assange calls Sciutto a ‘tabloid schmuck,’ but he’s simply asking about a detail in the official charges.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:38:13pm |
re: #10 Charles
He had to bail. Or at least dodge that question. Any answer would really corner him. A tacit admission of misconduct if he said only the prosecutor was influenced, and paranoid if he said the women were both influenced, or if he said all 3.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:39:23pm |
re: #11 Rightwingconspirator
He had to bail. Or at least dodge that question. Any answer would really corner him. A tacit admission of misconduct if he said only the prosecutor was influenced, and paranoid if he said the women were both influenced, or if he said all 3.
I agree…and he should never have agreed to an interview in the first place
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:42:40pm |
re: #11 Rightwingconspirator
Smart way to play it would have been to say something like “I have no comment on those details at this time,” and show no reaction. The more he throws these prima donna tantrums, the less sympathetic he looks.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:53:05pm |
Wanted to create a page on this, but for some reason I cannot get the Mediaite embed code to work: Shep Smith and Chris Wallace talk First Responders Bill, fail to mention GOP obstructionism, same with Fox & Friends…
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 12:56:13pm |
When one woman claims misconduct in this atmosphere, it’s pretty reasonable to take a wait and see attitude. When 2 women step up that’s kinda over as far as PR goes, or in my mind.
The fact Assange has angered many governments does not give license to presume the women are lying. If any more step up it’s really over PR wise. Legally of course anything can happen.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:01:31pm |
re: #18 prairiefire
That really sums it up.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:03:37pm |
Could somebody please send him this (NSFW) so he can be alone with his thoughts.
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prairiefire Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:03:53pm |
Thank you, Santa![Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:04:47pm |
Assange: First amendment rights, good for me but not for thee.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:06:06pm |
re: #23 blueraven
Assange: First amendment rights, good for me but not for thee.
He’s not American, the 1st is meaningless to him.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:07:49pm |
re: #15 000G
Wanted to create a page on this, but for some reason I cannot get the Mediaite embed code to work: Shep Smith and Chris Wallace talk First Responders Bill, fail to mention GOP obstructionism, same with Fox & Friends…
Mediaite uses an IFRAME instead of embed/object tags. Can’t do those with Pages, too many security issues with IFRAMEs.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:08:36pm |
re: #24 b_sharp
He’s not American, the 1st is meaningless to him.
Oh I know, but he uses it with his supporters, and I think he hides behind the principle.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:08:40pm |
re: #5 Curt
He’s not helping himself by deciding he’s the arbitration authority of who gets to know what…
pfft.
He decided that a looooong time ago.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:13:00pm |
re: #24 b_sharp
He’s not American, the 1st is meaningless to him.
OH, but he uses it!
Actually, like many others, I suspect he would insist that any US guaranteed rights do apply to him, but would insist what does NOT apply would be any US laws covering the security of our information.
In other words - he’ll use whatever benefits him for his own purposes; and then deny that anything detrimental to him applies.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:13:53pm |
re: #15 000G
Wanted to create a page on this, but for some reason I cannot get the Mediaite embed code to work: Shep Smith and Chris Wallace talk First Responders Bill, fail to mention GOP obstructionism, same with Fox & Friends…
Here is the you tube vid
How do they sleep at night?
I give credit to Shep Smith for calling them out even if he didn’t mention the GOP. He really let them have it!
“Who’s going to hold these people’s feet to the fire? We’re able to put a 52 story building so far down there at Ground Zero, we’re able to pay for tax cuts for billionaires who don’t need them and it’s not going to stimulate the economy. But we can’t give health care to Ground Zero first responders who ran right into the fire? Went down there to save people? Do people know what this city was like that day? People were walking over bridges, they were covered in ash, they were running for their lives, they were crying, their family members were dead. And these people ran to Ground Zero to save people’s lives. And we’re not going to even give them medicine for the illnesses they got down there? It’s disgusting, it’s a national disgrace, it’s a shame and everybody who voted against should have to stand up and account for himself or herself.”
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:14:14pm |
re: #25 Charles
Mediaite uses an IFRAME instead of embed/object tags. Can’t do those with Pages, too many security issues with IFRAMEs.
On the page I linked, when you click “Embed” it gives you three options: IFrame Player, IFrame Image, and HTML Image. I thought the latter might work, but it didn’t.
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Kronocide Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:17:38pm |
I haven’t been able to identify the specific fallacy of the ‘you haven’t served so you don’t understand’ meme about DADT. It just reeks of a cop out.
So far I’ve been retaliating with ‘you don’t know what it’s like to be gay so you have no understanding of gay issues.’
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:19:08pm |
re: #31 BigPapa
The main fallacy is that nobody knows what it’s like to serve in the military post-repeal of DADT.
The other fallacy is that many, many servicemembers know that other troops are gay and don’t give a crap.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:20:20pm |
re: #30 000G
On the page I linked, when you click “Embed” it gives you three options: IFrame Player, IFrame Image, and HTML Image. I thought the latter might work, but it didn’t.
I think HTML Image may be the setting that uses Javascript, and I can’t allow Javascript in Pages either.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:20:42pm |
re: #33 Charles
I think HTML Image may be the setting that uses Javascript, and I can’t allow Javascript in Pages either.
Gotcha. Well, thanks for clearing that up for me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:21:10pm |
re: #31 BigPapa
I haven’t been able to identify the specific fallacy of the ‘you haven’t served so you don’t understand’ meme about DADT. It just reeks of a cop out.
So far I’ve been retaliating with ‘you don’t know what it’s like to be gay so you have no understanding of gay issues.’
To my mind, the fallacy is that many gay people have served, and many straight people who have served believe that DADT was a bad thing. So, who am I supposed to believe? David Petraeus and my friend Mirele who was in the Navy for ten years, (out to everyone, BTW), or John McCain? How do I choose, except by what else I believe about equality and justice?
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:21:47pm |
re: #33 Charles
I think HTML Image may be the setting that uses Javascript, and I can’t allow Javascript in Pages either.
We demand the freedom to put trojans in our pages!!! /
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webevintage Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:23:36pm |
re: #31 BigPapa
I haven’t been able to identify the specific fallacy of the ‘you haven’t served so you don’t understand’ meme about DADT. It just reeks of a cop out.
So far I’ve been retaliating with ‘you don’t know what it’s like to be gay so you have no understanding of gay issues.’
I think it is easier to just say “that’s what the racists said when they integrated the military in the 40’s” and just walk away.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:23:52pm |
re: #34 000G
Gotcha. Well, thanks for clearing that up for me.
All Mediaite does is repackage video from other sites, by the way. If you go to the original sources you can almost always find the same video in a form you can use in a Page.
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:24:28pm |
Ahh yes, Pennsylvania.
Gregory Dale Brockman, Pennsylvania Inmate, Accused Of Threatening To Kill & Eat Obama
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Ojoe Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:24:46pm |
re: #32 Obdicut
Over at Blackfive, Uncle Jimbo once said - I am paraphrasing - “When I am lying by the side of the road bleeding, I don’t care if the medic that comes to get me is gay, I just hope he is one of those buff gays who works out all the time, so he can just throw me over his shoulder & get me out of there.”
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:26:46pm |
re: #38 Charles
All Mediaite does is repackage video from other sites, by the way. If you go to the original sources you can almost always find the same video in a form you can use in a Page.
I was under the impression that in this case it would have meant going to Fox News… but thanks for the heads-up anyhow!
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:28:48pm |
re: #38 Charles
Glad you keep it locked up tight. I’d hate to see any real trouble from Anon hackers et al. Particularly given certain tantrums lately from an unhappy anarchist.
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Kronocide Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:29:39pm |
re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist
To my mind, the fallacy is that many gay people have served, and many straight people who have served believe that DADT was a bad thing. So, who am I supposed to believe? David Petraeus and my friend Mirele who was in the Navy for ten years, (out to everyone, BTW), or John McCain? How do I choose, except by what else I believe about equality and justice?
What irritates me is that it’s a cheap method of devaluing somebody’s opinion which they have every right to have.
I do think it’s fair play to then state that not being gay, you don’t have a right to have an opinion on gay issues.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:30:24pm |
If Assange is so convinced that everything should be transparent, an open book - why is he so secretive about his own life’s events?
One of the things that angers me about the sort of person Assange seems to be - is that they believe, truly truly believe, that they are uniquely entitled to some sort of privilege they are unwilling to extend to others.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:35:17pm |
Yikes!!
Sorry for the off-topic this early, but this has to be the all-time, ultimate exploding heads Freeper thread:
Congress Overturns Ban of Gays Serving Openly, Sends Bill to Obama’s Desk
For the first time I can remember, the mods are allowing open, unambiguous threats of violence against elected officials and other Americans.
9.”They think that there are no limits to federal power.”
79. “They also think they are bullet proof.”
24. “I wonder if America needs a Pinochet to straighten things out?”
39.The legals of USA have made abortion legal, taken prayer out of schools, legalized homosexuality in military, stealing from taxpayers to give to others has been established, etc, etc, etc.Satan has come to kill/rob/destroy. That is our enemy and the master of lies/deception has his pawns working at the core to bring our God Bless America down.
55. McCainiac and Graham didn’t have to dirty their hands by voting FOR the bill, as they were assured it already had enough RINO votes to pass.
These two POS should be horse whipped!
76. NAME THE G-D DAMN RINOS WHO SUPPORTED THIS TRAVESTY… AND THEN LIGHT THE TORCHES AND GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS… ITS HANGING TIME!
98. “You suggest taking up arms against “honest free-loaders”?4 Generations of welfare-dependent “families”, along with un-fettered drug use, and now unlimited handouts and benefits to Third World Julio’s, and you think We The People are gonna take up arms?
Lynching is the way to go now, whereas you get caught in the act and you hang from a tree…..Lawyers and Judges and the ACLU be damned?”
119. “It is time for acts of extreme prejudice against these reprobates. They cannot hide under the capital dome indefinitely. They need leave Washington at some point. Examples must be made.”
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:35:48pm |
re: #44 reine.de.tout
A disturbing trend I notice in people who are strong supporters of Wikileaks— like Barrett Brown— is a tendency to use comparative reasoning. Since Wikileaks isn’t engaged in behavior as bad as that perpetrated by nation-states, Wikileaks is fine.
The problem with this, of course, is it’s the exact same argument that people use to justify the US using torture; we’re still not as bad as Saudi Arabia, so it’s all fine.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:37:26pm |
re: #46 Obdicut
A disturbing trend I notice in people who are strong supporters of Wikileaks— like Barrett Brown— is a tendency to use comparative reasoning. Since Wikileaks isn’t engaged in behavior as bad as that perpetrated by nation-states, Wikileaks is fine.
The problem with this, of course, is it’s the exact same argument that people use to justify the US using torture; we’re still not as bad as Saudi Arabia, so it’s all fine.
Exactly.
And that goes to - people believing they are uniquely entitled somehow, to privileges that should be unavailable to the peasants (that would be you and me).
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:37:49pm |
re: #47 Obdicut
What active fantasy lives they have.
Their vision of what will happen could make a hell of a profitable porn movie.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:39:35pm |
re: #48 reine.de.tout
Exactly.
And that goes to - people believing they are uniquely entitled somehow, to privileges that should be unavailable to the peasants (that would be you and me).
I know I’m revolting
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Kronocide Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:40:23pm |
re: #45 Shiplord Kirel
If the talk keeps up it’s only a matter of time before there’s action.
It was postulated on a previous thread that if real violence could pick up in the future. There’s no doubt that the potential is there.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:40:37pm |
re: #45 Shiplord Kirel
55. McCainiac and Graham didn’t have to dirty their hands by voting FOR the bill, as they were assured it already had enough RINO votes to pass.
These two POS should be horse whipped!
Huh? They didn’t vote for the bill. WTF?
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:43:25pm |
re: #52 blueraven
They just knew they really WANTED to. They must dieee!
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:45:05pm |
re: #51 BigPapa
If the talk keeps up it’s only a matter of time before there’s action.
It was postulated on a previous thread that if real violence could pick up in the future. There’s no doubt that the potential is there.
This could be the spark. I have never seen this degree of rabid crazy from the wingnuts and that is saying a lot. There will be no mass uprisings, of course, but individual crazies may start swarming out of the woodwork.
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:46:25pm |
re: #54 Shiplord Kirel
This could be the spark. I have never seen this degree of rabid crazy from the wingnuts and that is saying a lot. There will be no mass uprisings, of course, but individual crazies may start swarming out of the woodwork.
I look at it like serial killers progressing from killing animals to people. Eventually all the mere fantasizing about revolt won’t be enough to satisfy.
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:47:18pm |
re: #53 allegro
They just knew they really WANTED to. They must dieee!
Oh thanks, I see. I didnt catch the “logic” there. /
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:48:42pm |
re: #48 reine.de.tout
Exactly.
And that goes to - people believing they are uniquely entitled somehow, to privileges that should be unavailable to the peasants (that would be you and me).
I tend to agree. As Camus noted, Kalyayev accepted to sacrifice his own life for his taking that of another, he acknowledged that because in his fight for justice he committed mortal sins he was willing to pay the ultimate price for it. If you fight for a value or principle that transcends yourself, you have to be ready to put it above your own individual concerns. Assange does not seem to be willing to be consistent — my guess is because in his mind it is about bringing down the big powers, sticking it to the man and not fighting for something.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:49:08pm |
re: #55 Fozzie Bear
I look at it like serial killers progressing from killing animals to people. Eventually all the mere fantasizing about revolt won’t be enough to satisfy.
who would they kill?….gays or legislators?…I don’t think so
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blueraven Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:49:41pm |
re: #39 Fozzie Bear
Ahh yes, Pennsylvania.
Gregory Dale Brockman, Pennsylvania Inmate, Accused Of Threatening To Kill & Eat Obama
At least he wanted to kill and eat GW Bush too, and Michelle Obama. A balanced diet. /
What a crazy fuck.
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allegro Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:50:51pm |
re: #58 albusteve
I can definitely see the possibility of an increase of attacks on gays. Just reading a few comments on FR… yikes, it is frightening the degree of hatred and insanity.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:50:54pm |
re: #58 albusteve
who would they kill?…gays or legislators?…I don’t think so
Not expecting a great uprising. The threats, as always, are gaybashing, assassination attempts, militias, and the always unpleasant thought of another McVeigh.
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Fozzie Bear Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:52:27pm |
I think assassination attempts will probably be the likely method of “venting”. Look at the late 60’s for plenty of examples.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:53:28pm |
re: #60 allegro
I can definitely see the possibility of an increase of attacks on gays. Just reading a few comments on FR… yikes, it is frightening the degree of hatred and insanity.
I pigeonhole this with the gun totin Tea Party Revolutionaries from last year that people freaked out about
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:56:45pm |
re: #59 blueraven
At least he wanted to kill and eat GW Bush too, and Michelle Obama. A balanced diet. /
What a crazy fuck.
A bipartisan cannibal. How nice.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:57:50pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 1:59:56pm |
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:01:55pm |
re: #57 000G
I tend to agree. As Camus noted, Kalyayev accepted to sacrifice his own life for his taking that of another, he acknowledged that because in his fight for justice he committed mortal sins he was willing to pay the ultimate price for it. If you fight for a value or principle that transcends yourself, you have to be ready to put it above your own individual concerns. Assange does not seem to be willing to be consistent — my guess is because in his mind it is about bringing down the big powers, sticking it to the man and not fighting for something.
I think you nailed it.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:03:05pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:03:24pm |
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Mark Winter Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:09:01pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:09:09pm |
re: #73 b_sharp
Camus wrote the story, you made the comparison.
A professor of mine once said: The model student is able to perfectly represent his teacher’s teachings, but only the true genius is able to contradict them. ;-)
But I appreciate the compliment.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:09:28pm |
re: #63 albusteve
I pigeonhole this with the gun totin Tea Party Revolutionaries from last year that people freaked out about
I don’t know. This one hits the kooks where they live in ways that other issues do not. The talk to action ratio could well change. If so, legislators might be in some additional danger, but the real violence is likely to be against actual or perceived gays, especially if they are in uniform. I hope I am wrong though.
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prairiefire Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:15:38pm |
re: #76 Shiplord Kirel
Hopefully the military creed of brotherhood will supersede any real violence.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:16:27pm |
Republican Senators who voted to repeal DADT
Scott Brown (R-Mass)
Susan Collins (R-Alaska)
Mark Kirk (R-Ill.)
Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
Olympia Snowe (R-Maine)
George Voinovich (R-Ohio)
Richard Burr (N.C.)
John Ensign (Nev.)
Burr in particular will become the target of a major shit-storm from his very numerous tea party and socon constituents. He is otherwise a hard right type and has shown great courage in breaking ranks on this.
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Kronocide Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:17:41pm |
I’ve been trying to find a link or page that discussed the propensity for conservative writers to over capitalize on their writings and posts. Any ideas?
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 2:19:58pm |
re: #77 prairiefire
Hopefully the military creed of brotherhood will supersede any real violence.
I think it will. I was thinking about attacks by civilians on military personnel. It has happened before. In the mid-50s, the city of Lubbock was placed off-limits for personnel from nearby Reese Air Force Base for almost 2 years. The order followed a series of riots and random attacks after an airman was convicted of the rape-murder of a local girl. The murderer himself was executed but it was several years before it was safe for off-duty airmen to come into town.
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William of Orange Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:44:11pm |
First of all a face-palm to the commercial that precedes the clip!
Second, Assange is right here. This question is not helping anyone. Certainly not the women involved. If he has to be judged, it has to be done in court and not by the press. This line of questioning is only to give the reporter a boner, fishing for juicy answers. And now he gets the lid on his nose. Assange stayed classy….. until he said “tabloid schmuck”.
This legal trouble has nothing to do with the work on Wikileaks. The press still fail to understand the two things have to be dealt with separately.
This is the same way in which Martin Bashir ambushed Michael Jackson.
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Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:29:36pm |
re: #81 William of Orange
This legal trouble has nothing to do with the work on Wikileaks. The press still fail to understand the two things have to be dealt with separately.
Assange apparently fails to understand that too, since he’s repeatedly insinuated that this is part of a smear campaign against him.
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