Horrific revelation from a newly published section of Ireland’s investigation into child abuse by Roman Catholic priests in Dublin:
DUBLIN (AP) — The Vatican tried to stop church leaders here from defrocking a particularly dangerous pedophile priest and relented only after he raped a boy in a restroom at a pub, according to an investigation released Friday.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:11:03pm |
They still do not get it. The ivory towers are too tall.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:11:49pm |
I’m comfortable with a full blown criminal investigation at the highest level…shut down the Vatican and start hauling off suspects in chains
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Kid Skeeter Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:12:46pm |
Uh, can someone explain to me what a “particularly dangerous pedophile” is?
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:13:26pm |
Wow… um… I got nothing… this is just horrible.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:13:42pm |
what?…did they know something in advance?
Archbishop Martin called the priest, Tony Walsh, an “extremely devious man” who should never have been ordained.
probably…I may get hostile with this subject
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:14:02pm |
As the mother of four boys, there is nothing I could say here that wouldn’t cross the “advocating violence” line.
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rwmofo Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:14:04pm |
re: #3 Kid A
Uh, can someone explain to me what a “particularly dangerous pedophile” is?
One who isn’t locked up.
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Kid Skeeter Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:14:21pm |
Glad to know the Vatican came to their senses after he only raped a boy in a restroom pub. I mean, that was the last straw!!!!
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:15:55pm |
make every priest a eunuch…problem solved…what?, you don’t want that?…why not?…show us your conviction
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:16:01pm |
re: #4 jamesfirecat
Wow… um… I got nothing… this is just horrible.
Same here. I not to make blanket or broad brush statements, but stories like these make it hard not to. So, I won’t say anything and just hope that the current mindset/worldview at the Vatican disappears really quickly and replaced with a much more modern one.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:17:09pm |
re: #8 Kid A
Glad to know the Vatican came to their senses after he only raped a boy in a restroom pub. I mean, that was the last straw!!!
the Vat has no senses to come to…there is more, no doubt….maybe the most massive coverup in history
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:18:23pm |
What is wrong with these people? How can you look into the eyes of a child and not want to protect them? How can you watch the children running and laughing in the sunlight* and not be willing to do anything you must to protect them?
I just can’t understand this. I can get that the offending priests were sociopaths, but why are their supposedly sane superiors willing to protect them?
*Or the rain. Kids are weird about that. Kids + puddles = happiness.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:19:57pm |
re: #12 EmmmieG
What is wrong with these people? How can you look into the eyes of a child and not want to protect them? How can you watch the children running and laughing in the sunlight* and not be willing to do anything you must to protect them?
I just can’t understand this. I can get that the offending priests were sociopaths, but why are their supposedly sane superiors willing to protect them?
*Or the rain. Kids are weird about that. Kids + puddles = happiness.
well gosh…maybe these are sick criminals?
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jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:20:44pm |
re: #12 EmmmieG
The ‘Franks Says’ quote currently on the right column:
A lot of things wrong with society today are directly attributable to the fact that the people who make the laws are sexually maladjusted. — from “I Seem To Be a Verb” by R. Buckminster Fuller, 1970.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:20:51pm |
re: #13 albusteve
well gosh…maybe these are sick criminals?
The coverer-uppers? Does this criminality run all the way to the top?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:22:04pm |
Unbelievable. That any organization has this much power and political influence to be able to regularly sweep such inhuman acts under the rug and cover the whole thing up is just unbelievable.
Providing aid and comfort to pedos should be a hang-able offense.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:24:23pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
The coverer-uppers? Does this criminality run all the way to the top?
for certain…I think the Pope was involved in some relocation before he was the Pope…but I may be wrong….somebody should ask him, eh?
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freetoken Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:25:18pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
The coverer-uppers? Does this criminality run all the way to the top?
Possibly.
Seems to me that if the weakileeks/anarkists wanted to do something actually useful (rather than stroke their juvenile attention-deficit wands) they’d dig up the truth about criminal cover-ups which might actually be prosecuted.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:25:27pm |
re: #16 Slumbering Behemoth
Unbelievable. That any organization has this much power and political influence to be able to regularly sweep such inhuman acts under the rug and cover the whole thing up is just unbelievable.
Providing aid and comfort to pedos should be a hang-able offense.
and people here are conspiracy deniers, for the most part
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:26:10pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Possibly.
Seems to me that if the weakileeks/anarkists wanted to do something actually useful (rather than stroke their juvenile attention-deficit wands) they’d dig up the truth about criminal cover-ups which might actually be prosecuted.
almost brilliant!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:28:07pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Well, the Vatican is not in the US, so…
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:28:42pm |
Advance apologies to the Catholics here for what I am about to say.
Time to liquidate the Vatican, abandon the idea the Pope is God’s emissary and decentralize the power base. Too much power to manipulate actions and information. The highly opaque power structure of the Catholic church is good for only one thing, stagnation.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:29:06pm |
re: #19 albusteve
and people here are conspiracy deniers, for the most part
Meh, I don’t see very many people here denying that there is a conspiracy to cover this sort of thing up.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:29:42pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Possibly.
Seems to me that if the weakileeks/anarkists wanted to do something actually useful (rather than stroke their juvenile attention-deficit wands) they’d dig up the truth about criminal cover-ups which might actually be prosecuted.
Indeed.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:30:03pm |
I would like to see a roundup about what’s being done to investigate these freaks…seems like Interpol would have something to do with it, or a multi-national concerted effort to bust this ring….where’s Gus?
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:30:52pm |
re: #22 b_sharp
Advance apologies to the Catholics here for what I am about to say.
Time to liquidate the Vatican, abandon the idea the Pope is God’s emissary and decentralize the power base. Too much power to manipulate actions and information. The highly opaque power structure of the Catholic church is good for only one thing, stagnation.
really….the whole thing stinks of the Middle Ages
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:30:55pm |
re: #25 albusteve
I would like to see a roundup about what’s being done to investigate these freaks…seems like Interpol would have something to do with it, or a multi-national concerted effort to bust this ring…where’s Gus?
Here. Eating a granola bar.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:30:55pm |
And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:31:30pm |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
They still do not get it. The ivory towers are too tall.
They do not. And they do not understand how deeply angry and betrayed the faithful are.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:32:31pm |
re: #9 albusteve
make every priest a eunuch…problem solved…what?, you don’t want that?…why not?…show us your conviction
Origen went that route.
“And how could Origen be a father of the church with no knackers on him? Tell me that.”
(Flann O’Brien was a twisted man.)
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:32:36pm |
re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist
They do not. And they do not understand how deeply angry and betrayed the faithful are.
Hell I’m a nominal Presbyterian and I’m still feeling angry and betrayed about this kind of thing because if the Catholic Church can be just this sick what proof do I really have my own isn’t?
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:32:42pm |
re: #23 Slumbering Behemoth
Meh, I don’t see very many people here denying that there is a conspiracy to cover this sort of thing up.
not in particular, no….but I always consider a larger picture because anything is possible….anything you can think of
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:33:03pm |
re: #25 albusteve
I would like to see a roundup about what’s being done to investigate these freaks…seems like Interpol would have something to do with it, or a multi-national concerted effort to bust this ring…where’s Gus?
I thought the Irish authorities were investigating all of this including filing reports. But if I’m not mistaken no one is really being prosecuted.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:33:29pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:33:32pm |
re: #22 b_sharp
Advance apologies to the Catholics here for what I am about to say.
Time to liquidate the Vatican, abandon the idea the Pope is God’s emissary and decentralize the power base. Too much power to manipulate actions and information. The highly opaque power structure of the Catholic church is good for only one thing, stagnation.
What it’s really really time for, is for the Catholic faithful to stand up and start beating the drum and be heard on this.
Those of us in parishes with good priests - most of us probably don’t give this stuff a second thought because it’s not affecting us personally.
Catholics wishing to be heard on this subject should probably start with correspondence here,
the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. I know they’ve heard from me a time or two - and a few of like-minded friends here. But not enough of us are speaking out about this.
In the thread at DIGG a few weeks ago, folks there were calling me out for not jumping in to “stand up” for the Catholic Church.
I will when warranted. But this does NOT warrant anyone standing up for the Church.
It must be dealt with seriously, with primary consideration for the victims, not the evil perpetrators.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:34:22pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
The coverer-uppers? Does this criminality run all the way to the top?
A pedophile is probably sick in some way.
A non-pedophile who protects a predator instead of the children he preys on is simply evil.
There are a shitload of evil men in high places in the Catholic Church, and as someone who loves a lot of Catholics, that pisses me right off.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:34:35pm |
re: #31 jamesfirecat
Hell I’m a nominal Presbyterian and I’m still feeling angry and betrayed about this kind of thing because if the Catholic Church can be just this sick what proof do I really have my own isn’t?
Time to convert to atheism my son.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:35:11pm |
I walked away from Catholicism for other reasons that had nothing to do with abuse. If I was still in the Chruch, this kind of revelation would cause me to leave. They knew. They knew exactly what this monster was capable of and what he was doing, but they actively shielded him until he openly raped a child in a public place. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
I can’t even begin to wrap my head around this tragedy. It makes no sense. And if anything should undermine the Vatican’s credibility, actively shielding a rapist and pedophile like this should do it.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:35:31pm |
re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist
They do not. And they do not understand how deeply angry and betrayed the faithful are.
Send in the funds, keep the faith alive
Without your checks how can we survive
We got cars in the yard, bills to pay
Crosses to bear, we got souls to save
madness
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jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:35:41pm |
Ratzinger has been in the middle of this for a long time.
Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys
…it is only one of thousands of cases forwarded over decades by bishops to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, led from 1981 to 2005 by Cardinal Ratzinger. It is still the office that decides whether accused priests should be given full canonical trials and defrocked.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:36:33pm |
re: #38 b_sharp
Time to convert to atheism my son.
Meh, I’ve already self converted to non denominational only attend the church on Christmas eve with my family version of Presbyterianism.
Besides my beef in this case is with organized religion and the power it may unintentionally put into evil men’s hands (and then intentionally protect) not with spirituality itself.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:38:57pm |
re: #31 jamesfirecat
Hell I’m a nominal Presbyterian and I’m still feeling angry and betrayed about this kind of thing because if the Catholic Church can be just this sick what proof do I really have my own isn’t?
not so likely imo…but keep your britches hitched up tight
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:39:17pm |
re: #40 albusteve
Send in the funds, keep the faith alive
Without your checks how can we survive
We got cars in the yard, bills to pay
Crosses to bear, we got souls to savemadness
I’ve mentioned this before, but one of the things that happened in my father’s parish when the scandals really started rolling in was that lots of people stopped putting in the collection plate, and started to pay bills for the parish instead, or buy things the church needed. Because they were afraid of where their money might be going if the Archdiocese got a hold of it.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:39:19pm |
In a similar vein:
New York priest defrocked for child sex abuse
New York (CNN) — A high-ranking New York priest has been found guilty by a church tribunal of sexually abusing a minor in the 1970s, according to a statement obtained Saturday from the Catholic Archdiocese of New York.
Monsignor Charles M. Kavanagh was dismissed from the priesthood following the decision Wednesday by the tribunal, which was acting on authority from the Vatican.
The accuser, a former seminary student of Kavanagh’s, brought the case to the Manhattan district attorney in 2002. He then wrote to Edward Cardinal Egan, the former Archbishop of New York, informing him of his claim, according to the Office of Communications for the Archdiocese.
I took eight years before this case was finally closed. And the victim isn’t too happy about the whole procedure:
In a phone interview Saturday, accuser Daniel Donohue, who was a teenager when the abuse occurred, criticized the judicial process.“This was an eight-year process with not a lot of transparency,” he said. “The judicial system under the Vatican is not an open system, unlike our judicial system. Nobody has access to the testimony. You’re sitting on the outside doing this difficult thing and in the situation under that system, only the clerics and the priests have rights. In my case, this was the Archdiocese of New York Vs. Kavanaugh, not Donohue vs. Kavanagh.”
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prairiefire Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:39:38pm |
re: #31 jamesfirecat
Hell I’m a nominal Presbyterian and I’m still feeling angry and betrayed about this kind of thing because if the Catholic Church can be just this sick what proof do I really have my own isn’t?
“Sexual abuse in any form is never permissible.”[Link: www.wfn.org…]
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:40:11pm |
re: #41 jaunte
Ratzinger has been in the middle of this for a long time.
there you have it….Mr. Big has got some explaining to do, and I don’t give a fuck about some trumped up immunity
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webevintage Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:40:35pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
A pedophile is probably sick in some way.
A non-pedophile who protects a predator instead of the children he preys on is simply evil.
There are a shitload of evil men in high places in the Catholic Church, and as someone who loves a lot of Catholics, that pisses me right off.
and the evil, the sin of these men in charge is that by protecting the perpetrators is that they continue to provide an occasion of sin. So there is no true mercy shown no matter what they may have thought.
True mercy would have been to stop them.
I weep for The Church…..
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prairiefire Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:40:47pm |
re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist
I think my x was abused when he was an alter boy. He had some really deep seated jacked up shit.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:41:08pm |
re: #41 jaunte
Ratzinger has been in the middle of this for a long time.
What was the excuse Ratzinger was coming up for a lot of this during the summer? Didn’t he say something about them being possessed by a devil?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:41:25pm |
re: #35 reine.de.tout
You are a good and decent person, and I have a great deal of respect for your integrity.
If people want to call you out for not defending the Church on this kind of crap, they are the ones with problems. They are the ones who have no integrity. Fuck ‘em.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:41:49pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
A pedophile is probably sick in some way.
A non-pedophile who protects a predator instead of the children he preys on is simply evil.
There are a shitload of evil men in high places in the Catholic Church, and as someone who loves a lot of Catholics, that pisses me right off.
Some paedophiles are beyond help, some can be helped, but I don’t think we have the ability to differentiate between the two groups accurately.
Best to just isolate them somewhere, perhaps Meighan Island.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:44:56pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
What was the excuse Ratzinger was coming up for a lot of this during the summer? Didn’t he say something about them being possessed by a devil?
Good fucking excuse.
Exorcise the shit and put him back to work. Systemic delusions.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:45:14pm |
re: #52 b_sharp
Some paedophiles are beyond help, some can be helped, but I don’t think we have the ability to differentiate between the two groups accurately.
Best to just isolate them somewhere, perhaps Meighan Island.
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:46:08pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
What was the excuse Ratzinger was coming up for a lot of this during the summer? Didn’t he say something about them being possessed by a devil?
lunacy at the highest level…I say bust himre: #48 webevintage
and the evil, the sin of these men in charge is that by protecting the perpetrators is that they continue to provide an occasion of sin. So there is no true mercy shown no matter what they may have thought.
True mercy would have been to stop them.I weep for The Church...
I certainly don’t
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jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:47:58pm |
re: #50 Gus 802
That was Gabriel Amorth:
Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican’s chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as “cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon”.He added: “When one speaks of ‘the smoke of Satan’ [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia.” [Link: www.timesonline.co.uk…]
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:48:46pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
so, I no longer rob banks, therefore I’m innocent
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webevintage Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:49:49pm |
From the article:
Archbishop Martin, a veteran Vatican diplomat appointed to clean up the Dublin scandals in 2004, handed over the archdiocese’s previously secret abuse files to the investigators. His predecessor, Cardinal Desmond Connell, had refused to do so.
Archbishop Martin said the church concealed child abuse easily for so long because it had grown too powerful.
“It had often become self-centered and arrogant,” he said. “It felt that it could be forgiving of abusers in a simplistic manner and rarely empathized with the hurt of children.”
The only light I see at the end of this horrible, evil cycle is that these are no longer recent crimes. I DO think that the Church is changing (at least here and Ireland) and Church authorities are no longer covering these crimes up if/when they happen, but turning them over to local police.
I’ve noted before that my diocese only had 1 or 2 complaints over the years and I really, really think that has to do with who the Bishops were (they just would not put up with it here, and there was not accusations of moving folks around) and what seminary fed the local parishes.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:49:53pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
I really don’t think it is too far. Criminals who harm children ARE a pariah class and pedophiles are the worst of the bunch. Recidivism is practically 100% if outside forces (like death or incarceration) do not intervene. Segregating them from society for life can be part of the criminal justice process, a different kind of prison.
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rwdflynavy Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:50:20pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
Wait til you have kids…
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:50:21pm |
Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican’s chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession
impossible…who’s got a calculator?
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:50:48pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
This isn’t a sexual taste that can be accepted. It provably damages kids.
If you haven’t noticed, I’m pretty much a social libertarian, just about anything goes as long as it doesn’t systemically hurt members of another group. Most sexual practices can be a free for all as far as I’m concerned, as long as there is consent between the participants.
Most kids do not have the experience and knowledge base to give consent for this.
I may not have gone far enough.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:50:53pm |
re: #56 jaunte
That was Gabriel Amorth:
Ah, OK. I think it still might be reflective of an internal attitude. In effect this brushes aside their responsibility to society and the law.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:51:02pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
I really don’t think it is too far. Criminals who harm children ARE a pariah class and pedophiles are the worst of the bunch. Recidivism is practically 100% if outside forces (like death or incarceration) do not intervene. Segregating them from society for life can be part of the criminal justice process, a different kind of prison.
thanks for that
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jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:51:52pm |
re: #61 albusteve
He’s 850 years old, he might have added a zero at the end.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:52:02pm |
re: #48 webevintage
I weep for The Church…
I don’t. Not the institution, anyhow.
There are good people who genuinely want to believe in Catholicism and in the Catholic Church, but the truth is that they are being harmed by the Vatican when it pulls garbage like this. I sympathize with the laity, but no way does that mean that I have any sympathy for the Church. Not now, and not ever again.
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TedStriker Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:53:18pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
There’s a reason pedophilia is illegal and harshly frowned upon in our society…it’s an abuse of authority and a betrayal of trust.
Whether you throw them in prison for life or onto a desert island, serial & recidivist pedophiles need to be segregated from society.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:53:35pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
I really don’t think it is too far. Criminals who harm children ARE a pariah class and pedophiles are the worst of the bunch. Recidivism is practically 100% if outside forces (like death or incarceration) do not intervene. Segregating them from society for life can be part of the criminal justice process, a different kind of prison.
Actually I saw some studies that chemical castration can help with male pedophiles.
[Link: serendip.brynmawr.edu…]
And also I believe that homosexuality is not a choice people are born that way… and I have trouble to believe that at least some pedophiles aren’t born that way as well… which in turn leads me to the conclusion that while some sexual behaviors need to be outlawed because they hurt others who cannot understand what is going on…
It still means that some people seemed damned from the moment they are born to be pariahs for things they can barely control which just f***ing sucks.
I hate pedophiles, but I also pity them.
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General Nimrod Bodfish Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:53:54pm |
re: #61 albusteve
If my math is correct, he would have to do an average of about 8 exorcisms a day to reach that number (365 days x 25 years = 9125, 70k/9125 = 7.671).
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:54:52pm |
re: #65 jaunte
He’s 850 years old, he might have added a zero at the end.
so he deals with 2800 exorcisms a year?…lying old shit
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:55:32pm |
[Link: www.catholicnewsagency.com…]
“It was to be expected that this new radiance of the priesthood would not be pleasing to the ‘enemy,’” the Pontiff explained, “he would have rather preferred to see it disappear, so that God would ultimately be driven out of the world.”
“And so it happened that, in this very year of joy for the sacrament of the priesthood, the sins of priests came to light – particularly the abuse of the little ones, in which the priesthood, whose task is to manifest God’s concern for our good, turns into its very opposite.”
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sagehen Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:56:06pm |
re: #54 jamesfirecat
Dude, seriously too far.
To create an entire pariah class of human beings based on their sexual tastes, even if it is a sexual taste I disagree with and think should be illegal, but to punish them even when they are no longer practicing it…
This goes to far in my book.
The ones who have enough self-restraint to not act on their tastes… aren’t the ones who’ve been caught acting on their tastes. The ones who’ve done it before, have already proved themselves unwilling or unable to refrain.
“Non-practicing” for these cases, only means “doesn’t have the opportunity.”
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:56:16pm |
re: #71 albusteve
so he deals with 2800 exorcisms a year?…lying old shit
I think you will find that the view is, “a person may have multiple demons.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:56:26pm |
re: #62 b_sharp
Segregating a pedophile who hasn’t actually committed any crimes against children is wrong.
However, amongst those who have committed crimes, recividism is, as you say, close to 100%. And most pedophiles commit many, many crimes of abuse, not just a few.
I am one of those ultra-liberal types who think that prison should be rehabilitative, not punitive. However, pedophiles are a class of criminal that, so far, we have very few ways of rehabilitating. So I do, in fact, favor permanent incarceration for any pedophile after a firm diagnosis from psychiatrists.
However, it is vitally important that they not be in the general prison population, where they will be assaulted and likely killed, but in a psychiatric facility.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:56:29pm |
re: #67 Gus 802
Interesting focus, not so much on the bad acts, but their being revealed.
“So it happened in this very year of joy for the sacrament of the priesthood, the sins of priests came to light – particularly the abuse of the little ones, in which the priesthood, whose task is to manifest God’s concern for our good, turns into its very opposite,” the pope said.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:56:46pm |
re: #66 Lidane
I don’t. Not the institution, anyhow.
There are good people who genuinely want to believe in Catholicism and in the Catholic Church, but the truth is that they are being harmed by the Vatican when it pulls garbage like this. I sympathize with the laity, but no way does that mean that I have any sympathy for the Church. Not now, and not ever again.
Reine is a serious Catholic and her heart it getting hammered….pisses me off to no end
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:57:45pm |
re: #71 albusteve
so he deals with 2800 exorcisms a year?…lying old shit
Demons entering a herd of swine.
Your text to link…
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webevintage Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:58:21pm |
re: #68 talon_262
There’s a reason pedophilia is illegal and harshly frowned upon in our society…it’s an abuse of authority and a betrayal of trust.
Whether you throw them in prison for life or onto a desert island, serial & recidivist pedophiles need to be segregated from society.
I think Walter has commented before that he spent a long amount of time researching pedophiles for a play he wrote and that part of the problem we have is that there really is not that much true research on pedophilia.
What a horrible thing it must be to find out you are attracted sexually to children and there is really no real treatment except for the amount of self-control one can muster.
(by making these comments I hope everyone understands that I feel worse for the abused)
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:58:48pm |
re: #78 ozbloke
Demons entering a herd of swine.
Your text to link…
2000 in the one man, from this scripture.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:58:56pm |
re: #75 Obdicut
Segregating a pedophile who hasn’t actually committed any crimes against children is wrong.
However, amongst those who have committed crimes, recividism is, as you say, close to 100%. And most pedophiles commit many, many crimes of abuse, not just a few.
I am one of those ultra-liberal types who think that prison should be rehabilitative, not punitive. However, pedophiles are a class of criminal that, so far, we have very few ways of rehabilitating. So I do, in fact, favor permanent incarceration for any pedophile after a firm diagnosis from psychiatrists.
However, it is vitally important that they not be in the general prison population, where they will be assaulted and likely killed, but in a psychiatric facility.
if he hasn’t committed the crime, he is not a ped in my view….just a wannabe
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Lidane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:59:12pm |
re: #77 albusteve
My family is almost entirely Catholic, some more devout than others. It infuriates me when I see garbage like this.
At the same time, I’m not about to give the Vatican a pass. They knew and they actively protected this monster because he was a priest. Fuck that.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 3:59:17pm |
Joseph Ratzinger as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
As Cardinal Ratzinger was Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), the sexual abuse of minors by priests was his responsibility to investigate from 2001, when that charge was given to the CDF by Pope John Paul II.[4] Before given this charge, Cardinal Ratzinger was theoretically privy to all sexual abuse cases within the Church. As Prefect of the CDF, Canon Law directed Bishops to report sexual abuse cases involving priests in their diocese to Cardinal Ratzinger. However, due to the obscurity of Canon Law, even within the Church, it is unknown whether this directive was actually followed.
As part of the implementation of the norms enacted and promulgated on April 30, 2001 by Pope John Paul II,[5] on May 18, 2001 Ratzinger sent a letter to every bishop in the Catholic Church.[6] [7] This letter reminded them of the strict penalties facing those who revealed confidential details concerning enquiries into allegations against priests of certain grave ecclesiastical crimes, including sexual abuse, which were reserved to the jurisdiction of the Congregation. The letter extended the prescription or statute of limitations for these crimes to ten years. However, when the crime is sexual abuse of a minor, the “prescription begins to run from the day on that which the minor completes the eighteenth year of age.”[8] Lawyers acting for two alleged victims of abuse in Texas claim that by sending the letter the cardinal conspired to obstruct justice.[9] The Catholic News Service reported that “the letter said the new norms reflected the CDF’s traditional “exclusive competence” regarding delicta graviora—Latin for “graver offenses”. According to Canon Law experts in Rome, reserving cases of clerical sexual abuse of minors to the CDF is something new. In past eras, some serious crimes by priests against sexual morality, including pedophilia, were handled by that congregation or its predecessor, the Holy Office, but this has not been true in recent years.”[10] The promulgation of the norms by Pope John Paul II and the subsequent letter by the then Prefect of the CDF were published in 2001 in Acta Apostolicae Sedis[11] which is the Holy See’s official journal, in accordance with the Code of Canon Law,[12] and is disseminated monthly to thousands of libraries and offices around the world.[13]
In 2002, Ratzinger told the Catholic News Service that “less than one percent of priests are guilty of acts of this type.”[14] Opponents saw this as ignoring the crimes of those who committed the abuse; others saw it as merely pointing out that this should not taint other priests who live respectable lives.[10][15] Shortly after his election,[vague] he told Francis Cardinal George, the Archbishop of Chicago, that he would attend to the matter.[10]’
According to the archbishop of Vienna, Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, Ratzinger in 1995 pressed Pope John Paul II to mount a special investigation against Hans Hermann Groër, Cardinal Schönborn’s predecessor as Archbishop, after Groër was accused of molesting young monks. But other Curia officials persuaded John Paul that the media had exaggerated the case and an inquiry would only create more bad publicity. Schönborn made these remarks to Austrian television in March 2010.[16]
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:00:39pm |
re: #69 jamesfirecat
Actually I saw some studies that chemical castration can help with male pedophiles.
[Link: serendip.brynmawr.edu…]
And also I believe that homosexuality is not a choice people are born that way… and I have trouble to believe that at least some pedophiles aren’t born that way as well… which in turn leads me to the conclusion that while some sexual behaviors need to be outlawed because they hurt others who cannot understand what is going on…
It still means that some people seemed damned from the moment they are born to be pariahs for things they can barely control which just f***ing sucks.
I hate pedophiles, but I also pity them.
If they really cannot help themselves, that is all the more reason to isolate them from society for good. I don’t think an internal exile, a kind of segregated and sealed community, is as bad as maximum security prison, let alone as bad as chemical castration.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:01:04pm |
re: #79 webevintage
I think Walter has commented before that he spent a long amount of time researching pedophiles for a play he wrote and that part of the problem we have is that there really is not that much true research on pedophilia.
What a horrible thing it must be to find out you are attracted sexually to children and there is really no real treatment except for the amount of self-control one can muster.
(by making these comments I hope everyone understands that I feel worse for the abused)
There are medicines that have some luck with males to help them deal with their urges and strong cut recidivism rates.
What we need to do is have an open and honest way for those people with those urges to admit to it before they act and have the government provide them with those drugs for no cost to them….
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:01:41pm |
re: #84 Shiplord Kirel
If they really cannot help themselves, that is all the more reason to isolate them from society for good. I don’t think an internal exile, a kind of segregated and sealed community, is as bad as maximum security prison, let alone as bad as chemical castration.
Why do you consider chemical castration worse than being in a maximum security prison?
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:02:15pm |
re: #83 Gus 802
oh yeah…the harshly worded letter…way to go Ratz!
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:02:19pm |
re: #83 Gus 802
The Catholic Church needs to immediately and permanently begin turning over all evidence and investigation of acts of pedophilia to the police, and ending the habit of internal investigation. Absolutely and completely.
I do not feel that they have, and I feel that their dualistic view on the motive of the priests— that they believe that the priests may literally be tempted by the devil, may be targeted specially be Satan— is interfering with justice here.
The statements from Church officials that have bothered me the most are the ones that view the priests as under assault from feelings and desires that stem from outside themselves, from Satanic influence. It’s a very counterproductive view and it allows forgiveness where no forgiveness should be.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:04:14pm |
re: #59 Shiplord Kirel
I really don’t think it is too far. Criminals who harm children ARE a pariah class and pedophiles are the worst of the bunch. Recidivism is practically 100% if outside forces (like death or incarceration) do not intervene. Segregating them from society for life can be part of the criminal justice process, a different kind of prison.
Recidivism is practically 100%
That is an incredibly important point to make. Even if it were 60% it would be too high.
Psychologists say that many can be helped but if so, it isn’t borne out in daily life and our kids are too important to take chances.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:04:32pm |
re: #87 albusteve
oh yeah…the harshly worded letter…way to go Ratz!
Here’s a portion of it:
-A delict against morals, namely: the delict committed by a cleric against the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue with a minor below the age of 18 years.
Only these delicts, which are indicated above with their definition, are reserved to the apostolic tribunal of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
As often as an ordinary or hierarch has at least probable knowledge of a reserved delict, after he has carried out the preliminary investigation he is to indicate it to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which unless it calls the case to itself because of special circumstances of things, after transmitting appropriate norms, orders the ordinary or hierarch to proceed ahead through his own tribunal. The right of appealing against a sentence of the first instance, whether on the part of the party or the party’s legal representative, or on the part of the promoter of justice, solely remains valid only to the supreme tribunal of this congregation.
It must be noted that the criminal action on delicts reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is extinguished by a prescription of 10 years.(11) The prescription runs according to the universal and common law;(12) however, in the delict perpetrated with a minor by a cleric, the prescription begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age.
In tribunals established by ordinaries or hierarchs, the functions of judge, promoter of justice, notary and legal representative can validly be performed for these cases only by priests. When the trial in the tribunal is finished in any fashion, all the acts of the case are to be transmitted ex officio as soon as possible to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
All tribunals of the Latin church and the Eastern Catholic churches are bound to observe the canons on delicts and penalties, and also on the penal process of both codes respectively, together with the special norms which are transmitted by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for an individual case and which are to be executed entirely.
Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret.
Through this letter, sent by mandate of the supreme pontiff to all the bishops of the Catholic Church, to superiors general of clerical religious institutes of pontifical right and clerical societies of apostolic life of pontifical right, and to other interested ordinaries and hierarchs, it is hoped not only that more grave delicts will be entirely avoided, but especially that ordinaries and hierarchs have solicitous pastoral care to look after the holiness of the clergy and the faithful even through necessary sanctions.
Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, May 18, 2001.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
PrefectArchbishop Tarcisio Bertone, SDB
Secretary
from:
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
LETTER
sent from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
to Bishops of the entire Catholic Church
and other Ordinaries and Hierarchs having an interest
REGARDING THE MORE SERIOUS OFFENSES
reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
This was back when he was a cardinal. Doesn’t say anything about calling the police.
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jaunte Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:05:06pm |
re: #83 Gus 802
The Catholic News Service reported that “the letter said the new norms reflected the CDF’s traditional “exclusive competence” regarding delicta graviora—Latin for “graver offenses”. According to Canon Law experts in Rome, reserving cases of clerical sexual abuse of minors to the CDF is something new. In past eras, some serious crimes by priests against sexual morality, including pedophilia, were handled by that congregation or its predecessor, the Holy Office, but this has not been true in recent years.”
I don’t think a religious organization should be able to claim the exclusive right to investigate crimes against a country’s citizens.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:07:26pm |
re: #88 Obdicut
The Catholic Church needs to immediately and permanently begin turning over all evidence and investigation of acts of pedophilia to the police, and ending the habit of internal investigation. Absolutely and completely.
I do not feel that they have, and I feel that their dualistic view on the motive of the priests— that they believe that the priests may literally be tempted by the devil, may be targeted specially be Satan— is interfering with justice here.
The statements from Church officials that have bothered me the most are the ones that view the priests as under assault from feelings and desires that stem from outside themselves, from Satanic influence. It’s a very counterproductive view and it allows forgiveness where no forgiveness should be.
I assume that anyone who commits a crime can be considered to have been tempted by Satan.
I also assume that the Church does not believe in letting them off prosecution on that account.
‘The devil made me do it’ is bullshit.
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hellosnackbar Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:09:12pm |
As a resident of the Emerald Isle I can tell you that catholicism is in massive freefall.
Twenty or so years ago The Catholic Church was the most powerful
institution in the country now it’s a joke.
Twenty years ago Ireland was a priest exporting country now the seminaries are empty (three priests ordained last year).
At this rate the plethora of catholic churches will become warehouses or
offices in the near future.
Curiously the Church of Ireland(Anglican) is scandal free;but I don’t find
anybody crossing over.
Ireland is on a very fast track to Godlessness and I can’t say I’m sorry about it.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:09:32pm |
re: #69 jamesfirecat
Actually I saw some studies that chemical castration can help with male pedophiles.
[Link: serendip.brynmawr.edu…]
And also I believe that homosexuality is not a choice people are born that way… and I have trouble to believe that at least some pedophiles aren’t born that way as well… which in turn leads me to the conclusion that while some sexual behaviors need to be outlawed because they hurt others who cannot understand what is going on…
It still means that some people seemed damned from the moment they are born to be pariahs for things they can barely control which just f***ing sucks.
I hate pedophiles, but I also pity them.
With gays, their genetic preference is absolutely no threat to society, no more than being heterosexual. A genetic paedophile however is a much different story. If it is a genetic state then it is even more important to isolate them because options to re-integrate them into society are extremely limited.
Yes it does suck.
Find an effective means to drop recidivism and we can review my point.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:11:23pm |
re: #94 b_sharp
With gays, their genetic preference is absolutely no threat to society, no more than being heterosexual. A genetic paedophile however is a much different story. If it is a genetic state then it is even more important to isolate them because options to re-integrate them into society are extremely limited.
Yes it does suck.
Find an effective means to drop recidivism and we can review my point.
Did you miss this part from the link I posted?
[Link: serendip.brynmawr.edu…]
Depo-Provera also reduces recidivism rates. When used as a mandatory condition of parole (6), chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% (6) to 2%
That is a huge improvement.
We can dicker back and forth about if that 2% is too much of a risk to be worth taking, but it is still a huge improvement…
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:12:06pm |
re: #88 Obdicut
The Catholic Church needs to immediately and permanently begin turning over all evidence and investigation of acts of pedophilia to the police, and ending the habit of internal investigation. Absolutely and completely.
I can’t thing of a single civilian org that is allowed the privilege of policing/investigating it’s own. This is unconscionable.
And BTW, there already is an island correctional facility for sex offenders.
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Lidane Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:12:19pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
I assume that anyone who commits a crime can be considered to have been tempted by Satan.
I also assume that the Church does not believe in letting them off prosecution on that account.
Unfortunately for everyone involved, however, the Church DOES believe in shielding and protecting them if they wear a priest’s collar. If they’d spoken up about this monster sooner instead of protecting him, who knows how many children might have been spared?
‘The devil made me do it’ is bullshit.
Pretty much. It’s the ultimate excuse. It absolves a person of responsibility for their own actions. How can you be at fault when it was a demon?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:14:17pm |
Anyway, my poor grandma is going stir crazy, so I’m gonna go pick her up and take her to run some errands with me.
Laters, Lizards.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:14:52pm |
re: #96 jamesfirecat
I agree that anyone volunteering for chemical castration should be allowed, with monitoring, to use it.
However, is it ethical to force that one the unwilling?
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:16:13pm |
re: #75 Obdicut
Segregating a pedophile who hasn’t actually committed any crimes against children is wrong.
I didn’t actually intent to imply that. I apologize to anyone who thought I did.
However, amongst those who have committed crimes, recividism is, as you say, close to 100%. And most pedophiles commit many, many crimes of abuse, not just a few.
I am one of those ultra-liberal types who think that prison should be rehabilitative, not punitive. However, pedophiles are a class of criminal that, so far, we have very few ways of rehabilitating. So I do, in fact, favor permanent incarceration for any pedophile after a firm diagnosis from psychiatrists.
However, it is vitally important that they not be in the general prison population, where they will be assaulted and likely killed, but in a psychiatric facility.
I agree completely. Punishment and retribution should not be part of a system designed to protect society.
However, knowing a paedophile no longer has an opportunity to hurt a child makes me feel very good.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:16:49pm |
re: #100 Obdicut
I agree that anyone volunteering for chemical castration should be allowed, with monitoring, to use it.
However, is it ethical to force that one the unwilling?
No it’s not ethical to force the unwilling.
If there are people who would rather be exiled than have their personalities modified in any way shape or form than I am okay with having an island set up for them.
Two islands actually one for men one for women so that the obvious problem doesn’t crop up down the line.
But we should also strive to create a process to fix the people who wish to become productive members of society…
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:17:54pm |
re: #85 jamesfirecat
There are medicines that have some luck with males to help them deal with their urges and strong cut recidivism rates.
What we need to do is have an open and honest way for those people with those urges to admit to it before they act and have the government provide them with those drugs for no cost to them…
I say just go Medievil on them
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:18:37pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
A pedophile is probably sick in some way.
A non-pedophile who protects a predator instead of the children he preys on is simply evil.
There are a shitload of evil men in high places in the Catholic Church, and as someone who loves a lot of Catholics, that pisses me right off.
And me, as well.
re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth
You are a good and decent person, and I have a great deal of respect for your integrity.
If people want to call you out for not defending the Church on this kind of crap, they are the ones with problems. They are the ones who have no integrity. Fuck ‘em.
{{sb}}
Thanks. Made my day!
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:19:17pm |
re: #102 jamesfirecat
People aren’t not figuring out a way to fix pedophilia simply out of spite, you know. We’re just nowhere near that level of psychiatric knowledge. It’s probably going to take a cybernetic solution.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:19:34pm |
Why should a church have the right to “handle” child rape cases internally any more than a school, a business, or a family?
It’s a legal matter. Turn their sorry persons over to the police and let them handle it.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:19:48pm |
re: #90 Gus 802
This was back when he was a cardinal. Doesn’t say anything about calling the police.
heh, you’re like a pitbull….thanks
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:20:32pm |
re: #76 jaunte
Interesting focus, not so much on the bad acts, but their being revealed.
YES.
They cannot get their minds to focus on the devastation caused to innocents; only that it’s been “revealed”. And so the focus is on keeping it from being “revealed”.
I can’t tell you how disgusted I am with that.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:20:40pm |
re: #104 reine.de.tout
I do feel that part of the problem is that women aren’t more firmly established in the Vatican hierarchy. I have a difficult time believing a Church with more women in leadership positions would have engaged in the same actions. I’m not talking about making women priests, but I guess I am talking about making women in positions of oversight over priests.
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Gus Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:21:07pm |
Yikes. There’s so many. I’m looking through BishopAccountability.org
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:21:35pm |
re: #105 Obdicut
People aren’t not figuring out a way to fix pedophilia simply out of spite, you know. We’re just nowhere near that level of psychiatric knowledge. It’s probably going to take a cybernetic solution.
I know its not out of spite.
But there are some who wish to just throw up their hands and ship them all off to and island, and I feel the need to post a counter point with my continual desire to search for a cure so that one day no one is condemned from birth to suffer with such demons, and society will have one fewer thing to be afraid of…
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:22:06pm |
re: #109 Obdicut
I do feel that part of the problem is that women aren’t more firmly established in the Vatican hierarchy. I have a difficult time believing a Church with more women in leadership positions would have engaged in the same actions. I’m not talking about making women priests, but I guess I am talking about making women in positions of oversight over priests.
Well, you’ve got a good point.
A woman who has a natural mothering instinct wouldn’t allow this to be swept under the rug.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:22:59pm |
re: #111 jamesfirecat
It’s still an area that needs to be treaded carefully around, because such technology could be abused so goddamn easily. If we’re rewiring people’s brains… that’s literal thought control territory.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:24:42pm |
re: #96 jamesfirecat
Did you miss this part from the link I posted?
[Link: serendip.brynmawr.edu…]
Depo-Provera also reduces recidivism rates. When used as a mandatory condition of parole (6), chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% (6) to 2%
That is a huge improvement.
We can dicker back and forth about if that 2% is too much of a risk to be worth taking, but it is still a huge improvement…
I didn’t see your link.
How do you guarantee they take it?
There is no easy answer.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:24:42pm |
re: #96 jamesfirecat
Did you miss this part from the link I posted?
[Link: serendip.brynmawr.edu…]
Depo-Provera also reduces recidivism rates. When used as a mandatory condition of parole (6), chemical castration decreases the occurrence of repeat offenses from 75% (6) to 2%
That is a huge improvement.
We can dicker back and forth about if that 2% is too much of a risk to be worth taking, but it is still a huge improvement…
too much fucking around in the courts with chem castration….toss them in the slammer and forget they ever existed
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:25:47pm |
re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth
I can’t thing of a single civilian org that is allowed the privilege of policing/investigating it’s own. This is unconscionable.
And BTW, there already is an island correctional facility for sex offenders.
Look up Meighan island and note it’s location.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:27:06pm |
re: #111 jamesfirecat
I know its not out of spite.
But there are some who wish to just throw up their hands and ship them all off to and island, and I feel the need to post a counter point with my continual desire to search for a cure so that one day no one is condemned from birth to suffer with such demons, and society will have one fewer thing to be afraid of…
chemical castration is not a cure
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:27:23pm |
re: #113 Obdicut
It’s still an area that needs to be treaded carefully around, because such technology could be abused so goddamn easily. If we’re rewiring people’s brains… that’s literal thought control territory.
Yes it is… with the same technology it would probably be easy to rewire someone’s brain from homo to hertero sexual…
We could be possibly wiping out an entire culture the way coclear implants may do to deaf culture…
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:29:54pm |
re: #114 b_sharp
I didn’t see your link.
How do you guarantee they take it?
There is no easy answer.
In a perfect world I imagine a sort of wrist or ankle bracelet that automatically injects you with a substance every so often and you have to get it filled at court appointed station every week/month.
But yes human error on the part of the subject in question must be accounted for and it is impractical to have a court appointed doctor drop by their home every day to give them the shot….
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:31:21pm |
re: #109 Obdicut
The only pedophile that I have known personally was a woman. When confronted, she confessed and is still serving time.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:31:36pm |
re: #112 reine.de.tout
I think this is one way the celibacy of priests does seem to have disadvantages, not in terms of sexuality, but in terms of family. The hierarchy is composed of priests who have willingly forgone the chance to have a family; it’s composed of men, in general, a lower-than-average paternal instincts.
In a weird way, the hierarchy is treating the priests themselves like they are children.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:32:15pm |
re: #118 jamesfirecat
Too much unknown about this future tech. Castration is about turning the sex drive off. Which is better than life without parole or the needle. The ability to chemically or neurologically change ones sexuality is as fictional as warp drive.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:32:42pm |
re: #109 Obdicut
I do feel that part of the problem is that women aren’t more firmly established in the Vatican hierarchy. I have a difficult time believing a Church with more women in leadership positions would have engaged in the same actions. I’m not talking about making women priests, but I guess I am talking about making women in positions of oversight over priests.
Of course, right now the Vatican is doing an ‘investigation’ into women’s order in the U.S., just to make sure the chicks ain’t getting too uppity.
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:34:54pm |
re: #105 Obdicut
People aren’t not figuring out a way to fix pedophilia simply out of spite, you know. We’re just nowhere near that level of psychiatric knowledge. It’s probably going to take a cybernetic solution.
And a greater maturity about the morals of this technology. May the maturity arrive first!
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:35:05pm |
re: #120 compound Idaho
The only pedophile that I have known personally was a woman. When confronted, she confessed and is still serving time.
The only paedophile I know is a relative and he was never charged, but we keep our eyes on him to make sure he is never in the same position.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:35:32pm |
re: #119 jamesfirecat
In a perfect world I imagine a sort of wrist or ankle bracelet that automatically injects you with a substance every so often and you have to get it filled at court appointed station every week/month.
But yes human error on the part of the subject in question must be accounted for and it is impractical to have a court appointed doctor drop by their home every day to give them the shot…
oh crap….make them come and get their injection…why should taxpayers have to pay for a roving doctor?…it’s not so complicated
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:36:45pm |
re: #126 albusteve
oh crap…make them come and get their injection…why should taxpayers have to pay for a roving doctor?…it’s not so complicated
That actually is a good idea. (No sarcasm)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:37:46pm |
re: #127 jamesfirecat
That actually is a good idea. (No sarcasm)
Yeah. Show up for your weekly injection, or go back to jail.
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:39:46pm |
re: #125 b_sharp
I had the classic (sad) response. I can’t believe ……. well believe it. It is true more often than I thought anyway.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:40:10pm |
re: #127 jamesfirecat
That actually is a good idea. (No sarcasm)
years back, a local guy was raping his babysitter….the judge ordered chem castration and he beat it in court as cruel and unusual, so he did hard time instead, but only a minimum sentence and the community was outraged….Depo-Prevara is not a slam dunk
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:43:25pm |
re: #130 albusteve
years back, a local guy was raping his babysitter…the judge ordered chem castration and he beat it in court as cruel and unusual, so he did hard time instead, but only a minimum sentence and the community was outraged…Depo-Prevara is not a slam dunk
I’m only concerned about how useful it is for those who want to take it and want to reform with the help of it.
Those who refuse it can be shipped off to an island as far as I’m concerned.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:44:15pm |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
I’m only concerned about how useful it is for those who want to take it and want to reform with the help of it.
Those who refuse it can be shipped off to an island as far as I’m concerned.
Like I said, there is no simple answer.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:44:44pm |
re: #131 jamesfirecat
I’m only concerned about how useful it is for those who want to take it and want to reform with the help of it.
Those who refuse it can be shipped off to an island as far as I’m concerned.
I suppose that’s reasonable…we are, after all, civilized
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:46:13pm |
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:47:34pm |
re: #130 albusteve
years back, a local guy was raping his babysitter…the judge ordered chem castration and he beat it in court as cruel and unusual, so he did hard time instead, but only a minimum sentence and the community was outraged…Depo-Prevara is not a slam dunk
What is cruel and unusual seems more a question for the people, legislatures, and elected officials, not judges. It doesn’t seem cruel at all to me.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:50:37pm |
re: #135 compound Idaho
What is cruel and unusual seems more a question for the people, legislatures, and elected officials, not judges. It doesn’t seem cruel at all to me.
weird…the state can stop your heart legally, but not stop your boner
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reine.de.tout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:54:15pm |
re: #121 Obdicut
I think this is one way the celibacy of priests does seem to have disadvantages, not in terms of sexuality, but in terms of family. The hierarchy is composed of priests who have willingly forgone the chance to have a family; it’s composed of men, in general, a lower-than-average paternal instincts.
In a weird way, the hierarchy is treating the priests themselves like they are children.
Obdi - on that I will agree; and I’ll say the same thing about women who choose to be nuns. I have a friend who joined an order of nuns (she ended up not staying) - but she has absolutely no maternal desires or feelings whatsoever. She’s a good person, and cares about people, but she never would have been able to raise a child.
I will, however, point out that there are many married men who abuse their daughters or step-daughters or other people’s children. That isn’t necessarily a cure-all.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 4:55:32pm |
re: #136 b_sharp
I use that to chop carrots.
my carrots….I need to talk to KT
[Link: inmykitchengarden.blogspot.com…]
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:00:25pm |
re: #139 reine.de.tout
I mentioned this in the past apologies to those who saw…My foster daughter moved away got married, had kids. She came home after a trip to find husband raping the 2 year old daughter. To make matters worse said hubby and attorney tried to implicate her and the 5 year old boy. The state broke up the family she is fighting to get the kids back.
My sympathy for pedophiles is umm limited shall we say. I have no objectivity on this subject. It’s beyond me. If my thoughts were unfiltered & posted I’d be banned for good reason.
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Kragar Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:06:10pm |
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WikiLeaks: Anonymous hierarchy emerges
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danhenry1 Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:08:04pm |
Hi all,
I was raised in the faith. I believe that I have learned many things about just what ‘it may be’.
The Pope is not the church. There is something much beyond that and even more than…I can really not put to words other than this.
If a man had said at one time, ‘remember me..in your heart’, then yes.
that is something I can agree with. As I get up there in age, then one of my fondest hopes is that my loved ones will..’remember me fondly in there hearts’.
I think that this is what we can all hope for. To be remembered well for who we were.
This actually is much of how I look at ‘my country’.
I don’t think of the United States of America, as a place made up of ‘borders’, rather as an idea that goes well beyond what we consider a ‘place’, to defend.
We are and experiment, an idea. One that can expand or just fail and not be remembered..
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Dan
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danhenry1 Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:11:54pm |
I screwed up,,,I don’t me man as a guy thing
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Political Atheist Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:12:42pm |
re: #144 danhenry1
Agreed.
The Pope is not the church, the church is not our sole path to God or prayer. Men may not stand between me and God for good or ill. The temples, the churches are places for the faithful to gather, pray and perhaps to study. If every church temple and mosque fell to dust I’d still have prayer and faith.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:15:06pm |
re: #147 Rightwingconspirator
Agreed.
The Pope is not the church, the church is not our sole path to God or prayer. Men may not stand between me and God for good or ill. The temples, the churches are places for the faithful to gather, pray and perhaps to study. If every church temple and mosque fell to dust I’d still have prayer and faith.
as for the CC and the Vatican, I say invade
| 150 |
What, me worry? Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:16:38pm |
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is probably a crazy thing to say because it’s from the Wizard of Oz, but the Wizard says to the Tin Man, “Remember that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but how much you’re loved by others.”
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:20:22pm |
when I was a kid, our Little League played on a beautiful piece of land donated by the Catholic private college just up the road…one day they threw us off the property and sold it off to a guy that built apartments on it…my dad was not delicate when he explained the situation to me, and I have resented it to this day
| 152 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:20:41pm |
Portlandia
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Four More Tears Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:21:46pm |
Sounds like Catholicism is about due for a new round of Reformation.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:21:51pm |
re: #150 marjoriemoon
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This is probably a crazy thing to say because it’s from the Wizard of Oz, but the Wizard says to the Tin Man, “Remember that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but how much you’re loved by others.”
Not crazy. There area lot of good lessons in that story.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:22:21pm |
This place is getting way too syropy and is seriously crimping my atheist attack on Christmas plans for this year. Let’s find a racist and pin him to a wall. With sporks.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:23:06pm |
re: #139 reine.de.tout
I will, however, point out that there are many married men who abuse their daughters or step-daughters or other people’s children. That isn’t necessarily a cure-all.
Oh, absolutely. We’re not going to come up with a systemic way to prevent child abuse. A culture where children feel empowered to tell adults they trust about anything untoward is, I think, the best we can hope for.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:23:07pm |
re: #155 b_sharp
This place is getting way too syropy and is seriously crimping my atheist attack on Christmas plans for this year. Let’s find a racist and pin him to a wall. With sporks.
Here lets crack open a bottle of this together to celebrate the passing of DADT!
| 158 |
Four More Tears Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:23:32pm |
re: #155 b_sharp
This place is getting way too syropy and is seriously crimping my atheist attack on Christmas plans for this year. Let’s find a racist and pin him to a wall. With sporks.
You’re too direct. What we need is a stealth atheist jihad on Christmas.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:23:46pm |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:23:47pm |
re: #157 jamesfirecat
Neocons weren’t social conservatives, James, so that makes little sense.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:23:54pm |
re: #157 jamesfirecat
Here lets crack open a bottle of this together to celebrate the passing of DADT!
I’m down with that.
| 162 |
b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:24:45pm |
re: #158 JasonA
You’re too direct. What we need is a stealth atheist jihad on Christmas.
We can do that?
I had no idea.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:25:44pm |
re: #159 albusteve
good gawd…I reserve comment
It’s from an upcoming comedy series on TV goofing on Portland…
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jamesfirecat Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:26:10pm |
re: #160 Obdicut
Neocons weren’t social conservatives, James, so that makes little sense.
And I couldn’t find any pictures of cats typing on or watching a teleprompter for my TOTUS mocking LOL-Trollcat either.
Sometimes you just have to make do with the next best thing…
(IE I found the pic on the internet though it was funny and semi-appropriate)
| 165 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:26:15pm |
re: #155 b_sharp
This place is getting way too syropy and is seriously crimping my atheist attack on Christmas plans for this year. Let’s find a racist and pin him to a wall. With sporks.
These sporks?
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danhenry1 Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:27:12pm |
Jeesh,
Forgot the whole initial thread of this thing..sorry Charles.
Bad things exist..and good people allow it to happen. Why?
Power.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:30:33pm |
re: #162 b_sharp
We can do that?
I had no idea.
Sure you can. Heck, one time some designers in a forum started a jihad over the use of Adobe Illustrator vs. Macromedia Freehand/Corel Draw. The Illustrator people swore that they’d hunt down the members of the opposing camp, capture them, hold a copy of Illustrator in one hand and a sword in the other, and force them to choose.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:33:16pm |
re: #168 CuriousLurker
Sure you can. Heck, one time some designers in a forum started a jihad over the use of Adobe Illustrator vs. Macromedia Freehand/Corel Draw. The Illustrator people swore that they’d hunt down the members of the opposing camp, capture them, hold a copy of Illustrator in one hand and a sword in the other, and force them to choose.
Finally, a crusade I can get behind.
Freehand / Corel Draw of course.
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wrenchwench Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:34:32pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:36:26pm |
re: #165 EmmmieG
LOL I’m guessing there’s no Veggie Tales, “Harry Potta Taters”.
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b_sharp Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:36:49pm |
G’night ladies.
It’s time for me to get back to my studies, larnin’ PHP.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:38:07pm |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
It’s from an upcoming comedy series on TV goofing on Portland…
[Video]
well then, I got goofed….hahaha!
I’ll bet you’ll have fun with that show
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:40:46pm |
re: #163 Killgore Trout
they film all sorts of stuff down here in ABQ, but never about the city….yawn…ABQ who?
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:42:34pm |
re: #169 b_sharp
Finally, a crusade I can get behind.
Freehand / Corel Draw of course.
Heh, is kinda like a religion with designers. Don’t even get them started on PC/Mac. With coders it’s to validate or not, with web programming it’s usually PHP vs. Anything Else, and on and on…
Gawd, we humans are a contentious lot.
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:42:48pm |
re: #173 albusteve
Portland Oregon, where live sex shows are legal, but you cannot pump your own gasoline or drive over 65 anywhere in the State.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:44:54pm |
re: #176 compound Idaho
Portland Oregon, where live sex shows are legal, but you cannot pump your own gasoline or drive over 65 anywhere in the State.
so I’ve heard…full of idealistic, know-it-alls and perfect people…
except KT of course
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:46:12pm |
re: #177 albusteve
Its 65 mph limit that drives me crazy. Have you seen eastern OR?
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:47:39pm |
re: #178 compound Idaho
Its 65 mph limit that drives me crazy. Have you seen eastern OR?
yes, have you ever been to New Mexico?…the 75mph limit actually means keep it below 100 and have a nice day
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:47:41pm |
I have a question, and I think this is probably the best place to ask it. Before I do, I should add the following disclaimer: the opinions contained herein are partly tongue-in-cheek and should be taken in the quasi-entertaining manner in which they are intended. This being the internet, some will no doubt get mightily offended and post lengthy rants proselytising about their faith of choice. To them I say, ‘that’s cool’.
I have this problem. It is time to upgrade computers, and the issue of OS is causing some pain. The basic problem is that Windows 7 sucks. It does not blow goats, as Vista did, but it does suck. The fact that I can use it without wanting to fling the computer out the window in disgust and go and live a solitary, hermitlike life in far northern Saskatchewan means it is a vast improvement over its predecessor, but that doesn’t mean I enjoy the thousand minor hassles it throws up every day. My desktop still uses XP – it’s not perfect, but it works, and it allows me to run everything with a minimum of fuss. If I plug something in, it works. If I install software, it works, without me having to look around for emulators, drivers, command prompts, or anything like that. However, XP is no longer supported, and I wonder how long I will be able to continue to use it.
So there is the dilemma, as it were. XP is slowly being phased out. Windows 7 sucks. My experiences with Linux Red Hat almost a decade ago convinced me that I was not of that brotherhood – I am too thin, too socially adept, and don’t enjoy pain enough. No doubt Linux and similar OS have come a long way since, but like I said, I like my computer to work. I like to plug things in, install things, and have them work. I like my home network to work, without having to spend whole afternoons hunting through line after line to change one variable I missed somewhere. Help me out here, ladies and gentlemen. I have very simple needs. I want a computer that works, and that doesn’t cause me daily pain. Windows 7 causes me pain. What I have seen of Linux-based systems shows me that they just trade one kind of pain for another. I could of course try a Mac, but then I’d still need a computer. Surely there must be something out there that will just work, without the endless hassles?
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Kragar Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:47:45pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:49:01pm |
re: #15 EmmmieG
The coverer-uppers? Does this criminality run all the way to the top?
This criminality is built into the CULTURE of the church.
It will not change, until the Church wants it to change, and deals with the problem few. They DO know who they are, and choose to protect, rather than prosecute.
Reminds me of the LAPD for many years.
*spit*
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:50:36pm |
re: #180 Renaissance_Man
why does Windows 7 suck so much?…I don’t pay much attention but it works for me for surfing
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Kragar Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:51:13pm |
re: #183 albusteve
why does Windows 7 suck so much?…I don’t pay much attention but it works for me for surfing
Because its Windows, duh.
///
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:53:36pm |
re: #179 albusteve
yes, have you ever been to New Mexico?…the 75mph limit actually means keep it below 100 and have a nice day
There used to be a billboard just north of the border into Montana.
Whoa partner, there is a speed limit in Montana “reasonable and prudent”.
They finally had to give in and put it at 75. Seems we couldn’t all agree on what reasonable and prudent is.
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Interesting Times Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:57:06pm |
re: #182 Floral Giraffe
Quick question for you, if it’s okay - have you recently heard from LVQ? His timeout appears to still be in effect, which I find kind of surprising, since normally they only last 24-48 hours…
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Killgore Trout Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:57:07pm |
re: #177 albusteve
so I’ve heard…full of idealistic, know-it-alls and perfect people…
except KT of course
We have a fairly unique subculture here. When I started working at home I was shocked how few of my neighbors actually go to work every day. Hippies forage from my fig tree on their way to morning yoga sessions when it’s in season. Two old Chinese guys come by every morning and pick fresh tea from my hedge because they’re the only ones who know what it is. There’s a food cart a few blocks away run by ski bums that serves locally harvested venison and moose burgers. Every time I stop in they’re arguing about shallots and too many hazelnuts in the apple slaw.
Somebody put a huge bag of pot in my mailbox this summer for no apparent reason.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:58:58pm |
re: #186 publicityStunted
My nic is blue.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Dec 18, 2010 5:59:31pm |
re: #180 Renaissance_Man
So there is the dilemma, as it were. XP is slowly being phased out. Windows 7 sucks.
How does Win7 suck? What pain does it cause you? Everything is easier and better than XP…
If I were you I’d get an ipad..Really fun and easy..But jeez Win 7 rocks
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:02:54pm |
re: #189 HoosierHoops
So there is the dilemma, as it were. XP is slowly being phased out. Windows 7 sucks.
How does Win7 suck? What pain does it cause you? Everything is easier and better than XP…
If I were you I’d get an ipad..Really fun and easy..But jeez Win 7 rocks
I find the endless warnings and constant Administrator checks annoying, and I find the Start menu far less useful. That said, it is still functional, and if pressed, I’ll use it.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:03:03pm |
re: #187 Killgore Trout
We have a fairly unique subculture here. When I started working at home I was shocked how few of my neighbors actually go to work every day. Hippies forage from my fig tree on their way to morning yoga sessions when it’s in season. Two old Chinese guys come by every morning and pick fresh tea from my hedge because they’re the only ones who know what it is. There’s a food cart a few blocks away run by ski bums that serves locally harvested venison and moose burgers. Every time I stop in they’re arguing about shallots and too many hazelnuts in the apple slaw.
Somebody put a huge bag of pot in my mailbox this summer for no apparent reason.
sounds like a den of thieves!…just kidding
multi-culti is a real treat on that level and I respect all who pass through my life…sounds like an ideal town in that regard, without being so mammoth and it’s good to love where you live….I do, and one huge reason is the total absence of pretense here in Albuquerque and the respectable, polite vibe down here….we are fortunate, eh?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:03:18pm |
re: #191 Renaissance_Man
You can turn off the checks, you know.
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HoosierHoops Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:04:33pm |
re: #190 Floral Giraffe
*waves*
Hi cutie! I met a girl last night at dinner..A native American that is an auditor for a Indian Nation.. I got her cell phone number…I’m giving it the 24 hour rule before I call..How are you?
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Usually refered to as anyways Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:04:46pm |
re: #187 Killgore Trout
We have a fairly unique subculture here. When I started working at home I was shocked how few of my neighbors actually go to work every day. Hippies forage from my fig tree on their way to morning yoga sessions when it’s in season. Two old Chinese guys come by every morning and pick fresh tea from my hedge because they’re the only ones who know what it is. There’s a food cart a few blocks away run by ski bums that serves locally harvested venison and moose burgers. Every time I stop in they’re arguing about shallots and too many hazelnuts in the apple slaw.
Somebody put a huge bag of pot in my mailbox this summer for no apparent reason.
Any space left in your town?
No particular reason.
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:04:51pm |
re: #189 HoosierHoops
So there is the dilemma, as it were. XP is slowly being phased out. Windows 7 sucks.
How does Win7 suck? What pain does it cause you? Everything is easier and better than XP…
If I were you I’d get an ipad..Really fun and easy..But jeez Win 7 rocks
we have a Windows snob amongst us….FIND THEM!
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CuriousLurker Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:05:39pm |
I’m 6 years late watching it, but Iron Jawed Angels arrived in my mailbox today, so I’m gonna go make some popcorn and spend a couple of hours appreciating the women who made it possible for me to participate elections in America.
Can it be that is was less than 100 years ago that we women were granted the right to vote? Amazing. I think today’s an especially good day to remember that because of the repeal of DADT.
Later, lizards.
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Interesting Times Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:06:19pm |
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albusteve Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:09:37pm |
re: #192 albusteve
not only that, but we have world class kettle corn about three blocks from the bunkhouse….munching as we speak
neener neener
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compound Idaho Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:11:44pm |
re: #187 Killgore Trout
We have a fairly unique subculture here. When I started working at home I was shocked how few of my neighbors actually go to work every day. Hippies forage from my fig tree on their way to morning yoga sessions when it’s in season. Two old Chinese guys come by every morning and pick fresh tea from my hedge because they’re the only ones who know what it is. There’s a food cart a few blocks away run by ski bums that serves locally harvested venison and moose burgers. Every time I stop in they’re arguing about shallots and too many hazelnuts in the apple slaw.
Somebody put a huge bag of pot in my mailbox this summer for no apparent reason.
It is illegal to sell “wild” game. What they are selling is probable “farm” game. Of coarse pot is illegal too, but apparently that does not stop people from leaving it in mail boxes.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:15:23pm |
re: #194 HoosierHoops
Raining here. You know what that does to the traffic in LA.
LOL! 24 hour rule?
Call her, Dude!
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:16:54pm |
re: #195 ozbloke
Any space left in your town?
No particular reason.
LOL!
Yeah, right.
/ sorta
(It rains all the time in Oregon.)
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HoosierHoops Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:26:33pm |
re: #202 Floral Giraffe
Raining here. You know what that does to the traffic in LA.
LOL! 24 hour rule?
Call her, Dude!
We met at the bar..and started talking..and talking..and talking..I kept her from her friends for a long time..
She is from the Chickasaw nation and just so awesome…I’ll call her Sunday..24 hour rule
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Dec 18, 2010 6:29:16pm |
re: #204 HoosierHoops
Just call her whenever. There are no rules. Just don’t leave two messages in a row. That’s not a rule, just common sense.
May she treat you nice.
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
