Sunday Night Open
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A Sunday night open thread, as the rain pours down in Los Angeles, with a video full of beautiful images from New Zealand.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:20:58pm |
The Ross sisters....... wait for it.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:21:54pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:29:26pm |
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:30:00pm |
re: #6 NJDhockeyfan
I go back to work tomorrow. My 6 month 'vacation' is finally over.
Sorry and congratulations.
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brookly red Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:30:21pm |
re: #6 NJDhockeyfan
I go back to work tomorrow. My 6 month 'vacation' is finally over.
somebody has to pay taxes...
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:30:46pm |
re: #6 NJDhockeyfan
I go back to work tomorrow. My 6 month 'vacation' is finally over.
6 month vacation? I wanna work where you work.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:32:54pm |
re: #6 NJDhockeyfan
That's great news!
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:37:04pm |
re: #9 Mr Pancakes
6 month vacation? I wanna work where you work.
It's easy. All you have to do is have to have a seizure in a grocery store and fall head first on the floor.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:38:34pm |
re: #11 NJDhockeyfan
It's easy. All you have to do is have to have a seizure in a grocery store and fall head first on the floor.
Oh man..... I didn't know. I hope all is well with you.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:40:44pm |
re: #12 Mr Pancakes
Oh man... I didn't know. I hope all is well with you.
I'm fine now. It took a while for my skull to heal though. My head fucking hurt for months.
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prairiefire Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:41:54pm |
re: #13 NJDhockeyfan
Do you have the seizure aspect under control?
Good news to be back to work.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:43:47pm |
re: #14 prairiefire
Do you have the seizure aspect under control?
Good news to be back to work.
The doctors said they have no idea why it happened. I have to take a pill twice a day for 2 years. Other than that it's like it never happened.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:50:12pm |
I've put on a few pounds too. Good thing I'm going back to work before I catch up to FBV.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:52:08pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:52:40pm |
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Alexzander Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:52:49pm |
Tofurky dinner with my family tonight! I'm one of the few people who actually look foreword to that strange processed soy goodness.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:52:58pm |
re: #13 NJDhockeyfan
I'm fine now. It took a while for my skull to heal though. My head fucking hurt for months.
Man! All this time I thought you had a DUI or something.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:53:49pm |
re: #20 Alexzander
Tofurky dinner with my family tonight! I'm one of the few people who actually look foreword to that strange processed soy goodness.
Tofu should be sculptured..... never ingested.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:54:38pm |
re: #20 Alexzander
I love Tofurkey. Have you tried Quorn?
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:55:06pm |
re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Man! All this time I thought you had a DUI or something.
No way man. I had enough of those when I was in my 20s. I live in the country and have a wood shop in the backyard. When I want to drink to excess I have a great place to do it at.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:55:46pm |
re: #24 NJDhockeyfan
I didn't say that I thought it was "in character" for you.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:56:00pm |
re: #20 Alexzander
Tofurky dinner with my family tonight! I'm one of the few people who actually look foreword to that strange processed soy goodness.
Doesn't that give you an extreme gas event afterwords?
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:56:20pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:57:03pm |
re: #25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I didn't say that I thought it was "in character" for you.
Used to be. I remember waking up in the morning sometimes looking out the window to make sure I drove my car home. Those were the days.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:58:20pm |
This may be something to keep an eye on tonight...
South Korea to reportedly start drills in hours, residents go to shelters
South Korea will reportedly start artillery drills in the coming hours which have the potential to start a much larger conflict on the Korean peninsula. The South Korean military plans to fire artillery from the island of Yeonpyeong near the border fo North Korea. The last time the South Koreans conducted similar drills on November 21st the North Koreans barraged the island with over 200 artillery shells killing two South Korean marines and two civilians. While the South Koreans have said they will fire artillery away from the border with North Korea, the North Korean government has still threatened to attack with even more force if the South follows through with their plans.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 6:59:22pm |
re: #28 NJDhockeyfan
Used to be. I remember waking up in the morning sometimes looking out the window to make sure I drove my car home. Those were the days.
It's worse when you look out the window and see a dog in your car that belonged to the girl you were with the night before........ not that has ever happened no me nope.
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Alexzander Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:03:01pm |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No I haven't heard of it actually. My girlfriend made a great nut roast at thanks giving though.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:04:52pm |
re: #23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is actually more Turkey-esque. I'm not big on meat replacements, but gosh, it's much better on a sammich than tofurkey.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:05:27pm |
re: #30 Mr Pancakes
It's worse when you look out the window and see a dog in your car that belonged to the girl you were with the night before... not that has ever happened no me nope.
Nancy Whisky
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prairiefire Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:07:07pm |
re: #33 Decatur Deb
My days of drinking hard liquor are way behind me. I'm a hops gal now.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:07:42pm |
re: #33 Decatur Deb
Nancy Whisky
[Video]
Oh.... you scared me for a moment...... I thought this episode of mine (that didn't happen) was on youtube or something.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:09:26pm |
Rand Paul on Infowars (again)
Dec 19 2010 part 1
This became so commonplace a while ago that everybody just ignores this. 9-11 truthers on Fox and even the critics stopped covering it because nobody cares.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:09:55pm |
re: #34 prairiefire
My days of drinking hard liquor are way behind me. I'm a hops gal now.
"A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her."
-W.C. Fields
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:10:14pm |
re: #33 Decatur Deb
Nancy Whisky
[Video]
Great video though...... makes me want to go to a pub...... but there are none down here...... as far as I know.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:10:37pm |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
Actually I think that's the show from last week. It must have rerun today.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:11:48pm |
"Make sure that the beer - four pints a week - goes to the troops under fire before any of the parties in the rear get a drop."
-Winston Churchill to his Secretary of War, 1944
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:11:56pm |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
Rand Paul on Infowars ....... because nobody cares.
I couldn't agree with that statement more.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:12:10pm |
re: #34 prairiefire
My days of drinking hard liquor are way behind me. I'm a hops gal now.
Never was much good at drinkin'. Three or four pints in a decent pub is a big night now.
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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:13:07pm |
re: #29 NJDhockeyfan
We could wake up to a nightmare.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:13:42pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Never was much good at drinkin'. Three or four pints in a decent pub is a big night now.
Rookie
/
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:13:47pm |
re: #41 Mr Pancakes
I couldn't agree with that statement more.
It's hard for me to imagine the wingnuts getting any crazier. They're pretty much free to be as nutty as they want to and nobody's going to make a big deal out of it.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:13:48pm |
re: #38 Mr Pancakes
Great video though... makes me want to go to a pub... but there are none down here... as far as I know.
If "here" is FL, Four Green Fields in Tampa is as good as it gets in the New World. The Prodigals were there this weekend.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:14:44pm |
re: #45 Killgore Trout
It's hard for me to imagine the wingnuts getting any crazier. They're pretty much free to be as nutty as they want to and nobody's going to make a big deal out of it.
I know..... but we know that already don't we?
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:15:32pm |
re: #43 Rightwingconspirator
We could wake up to a nightmare.
We definitely could. They just delayed it but I bet it won't stop it from going on.
SEOUL — Sea fog has delayed the start of a live-fire drill on a South Korean border island, the defence ministry said, after announcing the exercise would go ahead Monday despite North Korean threats.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:15:59pm |
re: #46 Decatur Deb
If "here" is FL, Four Green Fields in Tampa is as good as it gets in the New World. The Prodigals were there this weekend.
South of San Diego........ I'm sure I could find one if I looked...... there is one in Tijuana believe it or not.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:16:10pm |
re: #40 NJDhockeyfan
"Make sure that the beer - four pints a week - goes to the troops under fire before any of the parties in the rear get a drop."
-Winston Churchill to his Secretary of War, 1944
My highschool made its own beer until Prohibition. Each student was rationed one pint per day until then. They still had the copper kettles when I was there in the 50's.
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prairiefire Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:17:24pm |
The UN has scheduled an emergency meeting at Russia's request:[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:18:15pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
My highschool made its own beer until Prohibition. Each student was rationed one pint per day until then. They still had the copper kettles when I was there in the 50's.
That's outstanding! I went to a Jr high school in Tennessee that had a smoking area for the students. Beer was not allowed though.
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prairiefire Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:18:33pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
My dad went searching for the old copper still in the attic of my house in the ghetto. It was too corroded to put in his garden.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:18:49pm |
re: #51 prairiefire
The UN has scheduled an emergency meeting at Russia's request:[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
What means UN?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:19:54pm |
re: #51 prairiefire
The UN has scheduled an emergency meeting at Russia's request:[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Strongly worded letter!
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:20:32pm |
re: #53 prairiefire
My dad went searching for the old copper still in the attic of my house in the ghetto. It was too corroded to put in his garden.
Which ghetto? I only know the first one in Venice.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:22:45pm |
re: #53 prairiefire
My dad went searching for the old copper still in the attic of my house in the ghetto. It was too corroded to put in his garden.
Our 5th and 6th year students could smoke pipes and cigars with parental permission, on the non-academic side of the complex. On the other hand, no girls.
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prairiefire Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:23:12pm |
re: #56 Decatur Deb
This one:[Link: www.kmbc.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:23:34pm |
re: #51 prairiefire
The UN has scheduled an emergency meeting at Russia's request:[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
They already had the meeting. As usual they got nothing accomplished.
UN fails to take action on Korea tensions
The U.N. Security Council failed to take action to defuse tensions between North and South Korea on Sunday and diplomats blamed China for refusing to condemn the North for two deadly attacks this year that helped send relations to their lowest point in decades.
At the end of an eight-hour emergency meeting called by Russia, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said the vast majority of the 15-member council was insisting on "a clear-cut condemnation" of North Korea but there was no unanimity.
Although diplomats from some countries still need to consult their capitals, Rice said, "I think it's safe to predict that the gaps that remain are unlikely to be bridged." She said she based that assessment on what she heard in the closed-door meetings.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:24:44pm |
re: #58 prairiefire
Ouch. Makes a little moonshining seem quaint.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:25:50pm |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Our 5th and 6th year students could smoke pipes and cigars with parental permission, on the non-academic side of the complex. On the other hand, no girls.
We could smoke at my high school outside of class........ even tobacco.
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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:25:56pm |
re: #59 NJDhockeyfan
UN -able to help. Sad.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:27:19pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:28:07pm |
re: #62 Rightwingconspirator
UN -able to help. Sad.
They only get a something done when Israel is the subject.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:28:43pm |
re: #62 Rightwingconspirator
UN -able to help. Sad.
Actually, the UN still has a small combat contingent in Seoul, usually Gurkhas. There is a United Nations Command HQ, headed by the American 4-star at Eight Army.
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prairiefire Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:29:13pm |
re: #60 Decatur Deb
My neighbors at the time were little old Italian ladies. One told me that there used to be slate roofs on the houses on our block. When she was a little girl, a guy who was a Dr. for the mob (he preformed abortions on the mob hookers and checked their VD) told all his neighbors to stay away from their houses one night as he was going to blow up his own home for the insurance. He did, and all the slate roofs broke.
Lots of stories from those old gals. I wasn't Italian, so they didn't feel the need to keep up any pretense with me.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:32:32pm |
The GB Packers are giving Brady a hard time tonight. Great game so far.
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Mentis Fugit Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:32:47pm |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:34:02pm |
re: #66 prairiefire
My neighbors at the time were little old Italian ladies. One told me that there used to be slate roofs on the houses on our block. When she was a little girl, a guy who was a Dr. for the mob (he preformed abortions on the mob hookers and checked their VD) told all his neighbors to stay away from their houses one night as he was going to blow up his own home for the insurance. He did, and all the slate roofs broke.
Lots of stories from those old gals. I wasn't Italian, so they didn't feel the need to keep up any pretense with me.
I imagine he was good at small-arms wounds, and bad at recordkeeping.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:34:18pm |
re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
The GB Packers are giving Brady a hard time tonight. Great game so far.
Too bad they have nothing to play for...... I hate Brady and the Pats.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:37:50pm |
South Korea orders residents to take shelter in anticipation of drills
While the United Nations' Security Council wrangled over growing tensions in the Korean peninsula, South Korea ordered thousands to find shelter in preparation for the South's planned live-fire military exercises, which could take place within hours, the military announced.
In South Korea, an approximate 8,000 residents have been ordered to take cover in Yeonpyeong, Baengnyeong, Daecheong, Socheong and Udo as the hours draw closer to South Korea's military drill, scheduled to take place at 11 p.m. EST Sunday, 1 p.m. Monday local time.
That's about 25 minutes away. It could get ugly real fast.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:38:47pm |
re: #70 Mr Pancakes
Too bad they have nothing to play for... I hate Brady and the Pats.
Same here. I enjoy watching Brady getting his ass kicked.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:42:23pm |
re: #62 Rightwingconspirator
UN -able to help. Sad.
From Reuters:
The United States, Britain, France, Japan and South Korea rejected that text, voicing support for a British draft that blamed the crisis on North Korea and condemned it for last month's shelling incident. Russia and China would not agree.
These are the current members and terms:
Austria - Dec 31, 2010
Bosnia - Dec 31, 2011
Brazil - Dec 31, 2011
China - Permanent
Gabon - Dec 31, 2011
France - Permanent
Japan - Dec 31, 2010
Lebanon - Dec 31, 2011
Mexico - Dec 31, 2010
Nigeria - Dec 31, 2011
Russian Federation - Permanent
Turkey - Dec 31, 2010
Uganda - Dec 31, 2010
United Kingdom - Permanent
United States - Permanent
We can assume which side those not mentioned in the Reuter's report were on.
UPI is reporting:
In response, South Korea announced it would conduct live-fire artillery exercises on the island between Dec. 18 and 21, its official Yonhap News Agency said. So far, the training has been delayed by bad weather.
Which means anyone waiting up to see if war starts may be awake for the next three days.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:45:41pm |
re: #74 Gus 802
From Reuters:
These are the current members and terms:
We can assume which side those not mentioned in the Reuter's report were on.
UPI is reporting:
Which means anyone waiting up to see if war starts may be awake for the next three days.
Why would Mexico be a member? They have an Air Force but no planes.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:46:50pm |
re: #75 Mr Pancakes
Why would Mexico be a member? They have an Air Force but no planes.
They have some Northrop F-5s. Some other prop planes too. I'd have to look.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:49:30pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
They have some Northrop F-5s. Some other prop planes too. I'd have to look.
No they do...... I was just goshin'...... my friend quit the Air Force in TJ because they had no planes there.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:50:09pm |
re: #76 Gus 802
They have some Northrop F-5s. Some other prop planes too. I'd have to look.
Woot!
This would be considered their attack aircraft.
Northrop F-5E - 8
Northrop F-5F - 2
Pilatus PC-7 - 60
Pilatus PC-9M - 2
Last number is total in service.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:50:51pm |
re: #78 Gus 802
Woot!
This would be considered their attack aircraft.
Northrop F-5E - 8
Northrop F-5F - 2
Pilatus PC-7 - 60
Pilatus PC-9M - 2Last number is total in service.
Well..... I was almost right.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:51:29pm |
re: #79 Mr Pancakes
Well... I was almost right.
Yeah. It's not much. Argentina can kick their ass.
//
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:52:23pm |
re: #80 Gus 802
Yeah. It's not much. Argentina can kick their ass.
//
Argentina? Hell...... Arizona could kick their ass.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:53:11pm |
re: #74 Gus 802
UPI is reporting:In response, South Korea announced it would conduct live-fire artillery exercises on the island between Dec. 18 and 21, its official Yonhap News Agency said. So far, the training has been delayed by bad weather.
Which means anyone waiting up to see if war starts may be awake for the next three days.
I would bet they will start those live fire drills as soon as the fog lifts. I believe they sent people into bomb shelters for a reason.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:55:50pm |
re: #82 NJDhockeyfan
Which means anyone waiting up to see if war starts may be awake for the next three days.
I would bet they will start those live fire drills as soon as the fog lifts. I believe they sent people into bomb shelters for a reason.
Oops. Today's the 19th here so it's the 20th there. Yeah, they've almost run out of that 72 hour time slot.
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Mr Pancakes Sun, Dec 19, 2010 7:58:16pm |
re: #82 NJDhockeyfan
Which means anyone waiting up to see if war starts may be awake for the next three days.
I would bet they will start those live fire drills as soon as the fog lifts. I believe they sent people into bomb shelters for a reason.
"Toto.... we're not in Seoul anymore".
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jamesfirecat Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:00:40pm |
The end of Leverage season three was great....
Really really great.
I need to go to bed now, but seriously you lizards should watch it!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:01:32pm |
re: #67 NJDhockeyfan
The GB Packers are giving Brady a hard time tonight. Great game so far.
True. For once I'm rooting for New England, since a Patriots win here would give the Bears a chance to clinch the NFC North with a win tomorrow.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:03:17pm |
And Brady's formation change gets New England a touchdown! Patriots 31, Packers 27.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:03:21pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
True. For once I'm rooting for New England, since a Patriots win here would give the Bears a chance to clinch the NFC North with a win tomorrow.
It could happen. NE just scored and went ahead. What a game.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:03:35pm |
Incheon, KO (Airport)
Updated: 3 min 17 sec ago
Fog
36 °F
Fog
Windchill: 33 °F
Humidity: 100%
Dew Point: 36 °F
Wind: 4 mph from the NE
Pressure: 30.12 in (Steady)
Visibility: 0.1 miles
Elevation: 230 ft
[Link: www.wunderground.com...]
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:05:14pm |
re: #89 Gus 802
Incheon, KO (Airport)
Updated: 3 min 17 sec ago
Fog
36 °F
Fog
Windchill: 33 °F
Humidity: 100%
Dew Point: 36 °F
Wind: 4 mph from the NE
Pressure: 30.12 in (Steady)
Visibility: 0.1 miles
Elevation: 230 ft[Link: www.wunderground.com...]
That's the closest place in the civilized world to Yeonpyeong.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:09:21pm |
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:13:33pm |
Nothing yet. Don't smoke any pot tonight! It'll make you freak out. WWIII us upon us!
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:14:38pm |
S.Korea to Switch DMZ Floodlights Back On
The military has decided to switch on a floodlight tower at Aegibong Peak on the western frontline for the first time in seven years, amid fears that the North is getting ready to shoot at the contraption."We've recently detected signs of the North Korean military watching the tower" at the mouth of the Han River in Gimpo, Gyeonggi Province "as if they are preparing to shoot at it," a government source said Sunday.
About a dozen North Korean officers and soldiers at a time have lined up to watch the tower through binoculars as South Korean personnel prepared to switch it on.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:16:51pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
Unless it shows up for free in your mailbox!
*waves*
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:16:54pm |
And an interception by New England gets negated by a facemask penalty. OOps.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:17:36pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
And an interception by New England gets negated by a facemask penalty. OOps.
Bad timing for a penalty like that.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:22:36pm |
I just stepped on the scale for the first time in about a month. I lost too much weight. I can splurge for the next month or so.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:22:41pm |
re: #95 Floral Giraffe
Unless it shows up for free in your mailbox!
*waves*
If it's coming from Chicago there may be a delay in your shipment.
US seizes nearly 11 tons of marijuana aboard train from Mexico
Federal marijuana distribution conspiracy charges were filed Thursday against seven defendants arrested on Wednesday during what is believed to be the largest seizure ever of marijuana in the Chicago area - conservatively estimated at about 21,800 pounds, or nearly 11 tons. The drugs were packed into six railroad cars from Mexico that arrived at a warehouse in south suburban Chicago Heights earlier this month. The marijuana is estimated to have a value of about $22 million.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:24:06pm |
Dane Fletcher sacks Flynn and force 'em to take their last timeout. Big play.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:24:10pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:24:13pm |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
It's amazing that something so easy to grow is so expensive.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:24:50pm |
re: #99 Killgore Trout
I just stepped on the scale for the first time in about a month. I lost too much weight. I can splurge for the next month or so.
LOL!
What're you gonna pork out on?
Brie? Carbs?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:26:12pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
It's amazing that something so easy to grow is so expensive.
Says the man who got a bunch free in his mailbox!
Yes, it's an easy plant to grow.
Getting rid of the trunks can be a challenge though.
No, don't ask.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:26:17pm |
re: #102 Floral Giraffe
Hola Senor Gus!
Como esta?
Meh. OK I guess. Fell asleep before. Was kind of a nice day but only went for a short walk. Yourself?
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:26:22pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
Dane Fletcher sacks Flynn and force 'em to take their last timeout. Big play.
What a way to end the game. That looked horrible.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:26:35pm |
Patriots get it done! They win 31-27, and open the door for the Bears to clinch tomorrow.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:27:15pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
It's amazing that something so easy to grow is so expensive.
When I was in high school an ounce cost me $30. What's the going rate today?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:27:56pm |
re: #107 NJDhockeyfan
What a way to end the game. That looked horrible.
Flynn couldn't get his team set up and it cost them dearly.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:28:39pm |
re: #104 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
What're you gonna pork out on?
Brie? Carbs?
I think I'll start with carbs. A week of pasta dinners should set me right. Maybe some chocolate. I can't remember the last time I had chocolate. Maybe about a year or so.
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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:29:29pm |
re: #110 NJDhockeyfan
When I was in high school an ounce cost me $30. What's the going rate today?
Bud is soooo much better than it was back then. That's all I know.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:29:59pm |
Uh oh. Food talk. Kill me now. I haven't had anything good to eat in months.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:30:03pm |
re: #106 Gus 802
Working out pretty hard, glad to be getting the weight off. Sucks to be raining though. Folks here do NOT know how to drive in the rain. Seriously safer to stay home. We've got a week of it ahead. Still, can't complain about a little water for winter.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:31:16pm |
re: #115 Floral Giraffe
Working out pretty hard, glad to be getting the weight off. Sucks to be raining though. Folks here do NOT know how to drive in the rain. Seriously safer to stay home. We've got a week of it ahead. Still, can't complain about a little water for winter.
I got to drive up to Los Angeles and back over the holidays, so hoping for a couple of clear hours.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:32:25pm |
re: #110 NJDhockeyfan
I'm not sure. I haven't bought weed in 20 years.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:32:26pm |
re: #115 Floral Giraffe
Working out pretty hard, glad to be getting the weight off. Sucks to be raining though. Folks here do NOT know how to drive in the rain. Seriously safer to stay home. We've got a week of it ahead. Still, can't complain about a little water for winter.
Do they drive too slow when it rains or too fast? I learned to drive in Joisy so I was used to driving in the rain from the start. Nothing more thrilling than hydroplaning at 65 MPH. I kid of course. You get all kinds though.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:33:40pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
I signed up for a "cooking 101" course today.
I wanted to do their "eating healthy for life" classes, but they don't work with my schedule. VERY excited to have a cooking school in the neighborhood.
I need training in this cooking thing.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:33:54pm |
re: #117 Killgore Trout
I'm not sure. I haven't bought weed in 20 years.
You can get a prescription for that here in Colorado. Just go to an osteopath and tell him your thumb hurts.
/
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:34:53pm |
Doc'. My Thumb hurts. I think I need a pound of marijuana to alleviate the pain.
/
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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:35:11pm |
Trying to get them to see him accurately through the haze of Fox propaganda and cultural panic is not easy. But he seems to understand that persistence and steadiness are better tools in this than grand statements, sudden moves or grandstanding attempts to please his own base. He really is trying to be what he promised: president of the red states as well as the blue states. And a president who gets shit done.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:35:27pm |
re: #117 Killgore Trout
I'm not sure. I haven't bought weed in 20 years.
Me neither. I used to keep a large bag in my pocket all the time. It's amazing I never got caught.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:36:11pm |
re: #118 Gus 802
Too fast. It's like they think no oil accumulates on the roads. And it doesn't surface when there's water. 60% more wrecks in the rain than on a dry day.
Spin outs at every intersection today, I went home, to not get hit.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:36:45pm |
re: #119 Floral Giraffe
I signed up for a "cooking 101" course today.
I wanted to do their "eating healthy for life" classes, but they don't work with my schedule. VERY excited to have a cooking school in the neighborhood.
I need training in this cooking thing.
It's easy once you get the hang of a few basic principles. One of the main reasons I can keep wight off so easy is that I never eat in restaurants (maybe a few times a year) and I never buy processed food in the store. Make it from scratch and you should have no problem saving lots of money and keeping thin.
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BongCrodny Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:37:53pm |
I just wanna say that this conversation is starting to get interesting,
What?
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:38:08pm |
re: #124 Floral Giraffe
Too fast. It's like they think no oil accumulates on the roads. And it doesn't surface when there's water. 60% more wrecks in the rain than on a dry day.
Spin outs at every intersection today, I went home, to not get hit.
When is snows here I'll encounter people either going too fast or too slow. Too slow can be annoying but at least it's not as dangerous. If a lot of people are going slow there's always one guy that freaks out and passes everyone like a maniac.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:38:46pm |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
I find not eating carbs has really helped drop the weight.
Well, that and 5 miles a day.
LOL!
I do want to find a healthy balance, though.
So, I'll try a cooking class.
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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:39:26pm |
Nice Sister Sarah...
While making s'mores for her family Palin said "This is dedicated to Michelle Obama."
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:39:30pm |
re: #124 Floral Giraffe
Too fast. It's like they think no oil accumulates on the roads. And it doesn't surface when there's water. 60% more wrecks in the rain than on a dry day.
Spin outs at every intersection today, I went home, to not get hit.
Hopefully after a few solid days of rain, we can get rid of most of the oil residue.
Supposed to be 10 inches of rain at my folks place. They were digging some trenches and rigging drainage so the basement doesn't flood.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:39:52pm |
re: #116 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Sigalert.com is your friend....
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:40:05pm |
re: #110 NJDhockeyfan
When I was in high school an ounce cost me $30. What's the going rate today?
Roughly $50 to $450 depending on locality and type.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:40:43pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:41:02pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:41:56pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I had 1.5 inches yesterday. IIRC, it takes about 5 inches to wash the oil off the roads. (Dad, I miss you!)
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:42:14pm |
re: #134 NJDhockeyfan
I doubt it looks much like what you were getting for $30 though.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:42:24pm |
I actually rate a prescription for medicinal use. Never bothered to follow it up.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:42:45pm |
re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Just look before you go!
You're a local, so you know the tricks!
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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:44:06pm |
re: #110 NJDhockeyfan
Top shelf at a dispensary-$20 or $30 per gram
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:45:03pm |
re: #136 prononymous
I doubt it looks much like what you were getting for $30 though.
I spent $85/oz in Ct for some Thai stick back in the 80s. It was the strongest weed I ever smoked.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:45:41pm |
re: #128 Floral Giraffe
I find not eating carbs has really helped drop the weight.
Well, that and 5 miles a day.
LOL!
I do want to find a healthy balance, though.
So, I'll try a cooking class.
Good luck. I think it'll work out great for you.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:51:20pm |
re: #139 Rightwingconspirator
Top shelf at a dispensary-$20 or $30 per gram
Truth serum. I smoke and I'll usually wind up telling people everything and turn into hypochondriac.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:51:22pm |
I'm going to bed. Gotta start off fresh tomorrow for work.
One more beer quote...
"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
-Cliff Clavin
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:51:57pm |
re: #129 Stanley Sea
Nice Sister Sarah...
That could be taken more than one way. I'm going to give Palin the benefit of the doubt and assume that she wasn't saying anything about race.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:52:06pm |
re: #140 NJDhockeyfan
I spent $85/oz in Ct for some Thai stick back in the 80s. It was the strongest weed I ever smoked.
Thai stick was rather good for its day. But it still doesn't quite compare.
Also you have to keep in mind that enforcement is much tighter, driving prices up along with the effects of inflation. And the good stuff has all moved domestic - where it is mostly grown indoors under high wattage lights, and at a much lower economy of scale.
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Stanghazi Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:55:50pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
That could be taken more than one way. I'm going to give Palin the benefit of the doubt and assume that she wasn't saying anything about race.
Oh no, I didn't see the racial aspect. I just saw her taking a jab at our First Lady while making s'mores on her fucking reality show.
She's a hateful person who's supporters share her hate.
That's all she's got.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:56:07pm |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
LOL!
I started re-reading Merry Hall tonight.
I do love the old gardener.
I had forgotten about him.
He tends the lilies.
If you like gardening, cats, and a well written story...
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 8:59:51pm |
re: #147 Floral Giraffe
I need to sop in Powell's books before the holidays. I'll look to see if they have it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:01:35pm |
re: #144 Dark_Falcon
That could be taken more than one way. I'm going to give Palin the benefit of the doubt and assume that she wasn't saying anything about race.
I think she was saying something about healthy eating. It's just silly.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:08:07pm |
re: #148 Killgore Trout
You're near Powell's books?
You lucky dog.
I have Book Soup, the LA version.
Amazon is usually less expensive.
I don't mind used books, sometimes I prefer them.
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Henchman 25 Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:08:59pm |
re: #149 Gus 802
Clearly this is somehow a threat to the universe!
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:09:56pm |
re: #142 Gus 802
Truth serum. I smoke and I'll usually wind up telling people everything and turn into hypochondriac.
We made brownies and I think we're dead.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:14:05pm |
Artillery firing heard on South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island near North Korea according to the Reuters News Agency.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:14:21pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I think she was saying something about healthy eating. It's just silly.
Then its not bigoted, just stupid. I seriously doubt Michelle Obama has a problem with kids having s'mores once in a while. He point is that they are eating too many sweets too often. But Sarah Palin seems to be working at too low a wattage to figure that out.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:17:59pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Artillery firing heard on South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island near North Korea according to the Reuters News Agency.
That story reminds me of this poem from 1914. Let me know what you think:
Thomas Hardy : Channel Firing
That night your great guns, unawares,
Shook all our coffins as we lay,
And broke the chancel window-squares,
We thought it was the Judgment-dayAnd sat upright. While drearisome
Arose the howl of wakened hounds:
The mouse let fall the altar-crumb,
The worms drew back into the mounds,The glebe1 cow drooled. Till God called, “No;
It’s gunnery practise out at sea
Just as before you went below;
The world is as it used to be:“And all nations striving strong to make
Red war yet redder. Mad as hatters
They do no more for Christés sake
Than you who are helpless in such matters.“That this is not the judgement-hour
For some of them’s a blessed thing,
For if it were they’d have to scour
Hell’s floor for so much threatening. . . .“Ha, ha. It will be warmer when
I blow the trumpet (if indeed
I ever do; for you are men,
And rest eternal sorely need).”So down we lay again. “I wonder,
Will the world ever saner be,”
Said one, ‘than when He sent us under
In our indifferent century!”And many a skeleton shook his head.
“Instead of preaching forty year,”
My neighbour Parson Thirdly said,
“I wish I had stuck to pipes and beer.”Again the guns disturbed the hour,
Roaring their readiness to avenge,
As far inland as Stourton Tower,
And Camelot, and starlit Stonehenge2.
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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:20:01pm |
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:21:47pm |
re: #157 Dark_Falcon
That story reminds me of this poem from 1914. Let me know what you think:
I like it. Although I'm pretty sure that North Korea will keep their hands in their pockets.
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laZardo Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:22:18pm |
re: #155 Gus 802
Artillery firing heard on South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island near North Korea according to the Reuters News Agency.
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Interesting Times Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:24:12pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
Oh no, I didn't see the racial aspect. I just saw her taking a jab at our First Lady while making s'mores on her fucking reality show.
Amateur. She should paint her face, Braveheart-style, with high-fructose corn syrup and "edible oil product" icing, wave a Twinkie in the air, and charge down the tundra, screaming "You may bring healthy lunch programs to our schools, you'll never take away our freeeeeedummmm"
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:24:36pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:28:26pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
Good for whatever you choose to post!
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laZardo Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:34:41pm |
re: #162 Gus 802
They have a nice army for being such a poor country.
They have a nice army, but they (still) ain't got no Seoul.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:35:18pm |
McConnell to Vote Against Russia Arms Treaty
Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Republican from Kentucky, dealt a blow to the administration's hopes for strong bipartisan support, criticizing the treaty's verification system and expressing concern that the pact would limit U.S. missile defense options even though Obama insisted Saturday that the treaty imposes no restrictions on missile defense.
"Rushing it right before Christmas strikes me as trying to jam us," McConnell said on CNN's "State of the Union." "I think that was not the best way to get the support of people like me."
They've been dragging their feet over this for months and pressured Obama to spend billions on our arsenal with the promise of support on START and now are playing games over it.
Fucking douchebags.
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Political Atheist Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:36:09pm |
re: #164 Floral Giraffe
I just have this little thing by my new friend....
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:42:43pm |
looks like richardson struck some deal with north korea to give them nuclear fuel in exchange for not being jerks about this and also to let inspectors back in
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:50:20pm |
re: #168 SpaceJesus
looks like richardson struck some deal with north korea to give them nuclear fuel in exchange for not being jerks about this and also to let inspectors back in
CNN says a sale of spent fuel rods FROM North Korea:
The North agreed to allow international atomic energy agency personnel to return to a nuclear facility in the country and agreed to negotiate the sale of 12,000 fresh fuel rods and ship them to an outside country, presumably to South Korea, said Blitzer, who is traveling with Richardson.
The fuel rods would be enough to make about six to eight nuclear weapons.
This is still an unofficial and private visit on the part of Richardson.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 9:55:57pm |
SKorea begins firing drills from border island
The Defense Ministry said the drills started Monday at 0530 gmt from this tiny enclave of fishing communities and military bases only about seven miles (11 kilometers) from North Korean shores.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:02:11pm |
Sorry to interrupt, but can one of you guys please place Max Blumenthal on the political spectrum for me? Liberal, progressive, moonbat...?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:06:31pm |
re: #172 CuriousLurker
Sorry to interrupt, but can one of you guys please place Max Blumenthal on the political spectrum for me? Liberal, progressive, moonbat...?
Liberal, non-moonbat.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:11:02pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:21:36pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Liberal, non-moonbat.
I would say Liberal Moonbat. He's good on some issues but not others. He's generally honest from what I've read of him but he does have some issues as I recall when it comes to Israel. I'm not really pro-Israel but facts are important. Some of Blumenthal's previous accusations about Israel have been a little suspicious.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:23:49pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:25:40pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
I would say Liberal Moonbat. He's good on some issues but not others. He's generally honest from what I've read of him but he does have some issues as I recall when it comes to Israel. I'm not really pro-Israel but facts are important. Some of Blumenthal's previous accusations about Israel have been a little suspicious.
Thank you, Killgore.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:28:32pm |
re: #178 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
nevermind, some jackass on another forum posted a fake story about the north shooting back
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:30:52pm |
re: #179 Dark_Falcon
Thank you, Killgore.
I just took a look at his front page again. Articles such as....
GOD TV and the Jewish National Fund plant the Forest Of Hate
The Carmel Wildfire is burning all illusions in Israel (The following piece was originally published at Electronic Intifada:)
Responding to Fania Oz-Salzberger, and searching for the ghost of Israeli democracy
“There Are No Civilians In Wartime.” Rachel Corrie’s Family Confronts The Israeli Military In Court
He may have some honest issues but the initial sniff test tells me he still has some issues. There's a lot of legitimate debate to be had about Israel and the Palestinians but very few people are interested in real world factual debate on the topic.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:31:49pm |
re: #180 SpaceJesus
Did you get your paper done?
Schoolwork is important, if deadly...
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CuriousLurker Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:32:12pm |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
I would say Liberal Moonbat. He's good on some issues but not others. He's generally honest from what I've read of him but he does have some issues as I recall when it comes to Israel. I'm not really pro-Israel but facts are important. Some of Blumenthal's previous accusations about Israel have been a little suspicious.
Has he been caught outright lying or misrepresenting facts? Just asking because there's a big difference between that and being "a little suspicious". I checked the Wiki page on him and it only mentioned a few things, but nothing that would seem to discredit him (not that I trust Wikipedia 100%, which is why I'm asking here as well).
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:35:53pm |
re: #183 CuriousLurker
He has edited video,and admitted it, so it's not a pure documentary release.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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CuriousLurker Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:37:41pm |
re: #184 Floral Giraffe
He has edited video,and admitted it, so it's not a pure documentary release.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Thanks, but that's about Assange; my question was about Max Blumenthal.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:40:29pm |
re: #183 CuriousLurker
Has he been caught outright lying or misrepresenting facts? Just asking because there's a big difference between that and being "a little suspicious". I checked the Wiki page on him and it only mentioned a few things, but nothing that would seem to discredit him (not that I trust Wikipedia 100%, which is why I'm asking here as well).
The first thing that jumps out at me.....
Gaza Flotilla RaidIn "The Flotilla Raid Was Not “Bungled.” The IDF Detailed Its Violent Strategy In Advance" Max Blumenthal reveals and explains content of Israeli newspapers, published a week before the IDF raid, about a planned strategy to intercept incoming ships bringing aid to besieged Gaza along with planned rules of engagement published in Maariv as approved by top Israel government figures.
That's complete bullshit.
Here's a more recent article which is also complete bullshit...
When The ADL Gave White Nationalism A Free Pass, Did “Pro-Israel” Politics Play A Role?
I'm not a Zionist shill, but facts are important. There's a certain amount of room for honest people to debate on the issues but it seems Blumenthal is out of the realm of reality when it comes to Israel.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:44:18pm |
Tweet from Yeonpyeong Island:
연평도 대피소에 있습니다. 밖에서 폭격 소리가 들리네요. 주민, 기자 등 50여명이 숨죽여 사격훈련 끝나기를 기다리고 있습니다.
"I hear the sound of shelling from outside. 50 people, residents and journalists, holding our breath waiting for marksmanship training is finished."
Also a picture, appears to be in a shelter of some kind.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:45:25pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
The first thing that jumps out at me...
That's complete bullshit.
Here's a more recent article which is also complete bullshit...
When The ADL Gave White Nationalism A Free Pass, Did “Pro-Israel” Politics Play A Role?
I'm not a Zionist shill, but facts are important. There's a certain amount of room for honest people to debate on the issues but it seems Blumenthal is out of the realm of reality when it comes to Israel.
Okay, thanks. I'm considering getting a copy of his Republican Gomorrah, so I wanted to have a better handle on where he's coming from before reading anything.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:46:27pm |
re: #188 CuriousLurker
Okay, thanks. I'm considering getting a copy of his Republican Gomorrah, so I wanted to have a better handle on where he's coming from before reading anything.
I recall that Charles highly recommends that book. I haven't read it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:46:32pm |
re: #186 Killgore Trout
The first thing that jumps out at me...
That's complete bullshit.
Here's a more recent article which is also complete bullshit...
When The ADL Gave White Nationalism A Free Pass, Did “Pro-Israel” Politics Play A Role?
I'm not a Zionist shill, but facts are important. There's a certain amount of room for honest people to debate on the issues but it seems Blumenthal is out of the realm of reality when it comes to Israel.
It's not being a shill to report honestly on the situation. Israel tends to come out better than her enemies in honest accounts because Israel generally conducts herself better.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:47:55pm |
re: #189 Killgore Trout
I recall that Charles highly recommends that book. I haven't read it.
That's good to know as the Kindle edition is really going at a great price right now. Thanks again.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:48:12pm |
Defense Ministry: South Korea starts live-fire drill
I got a bad feeling about this...
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:49:23pm |
re: #190 Dark_Falcon
It's not being a shill to report honestly on the situation. Israel tends to come out better than her enemies in honest accounts because Israel generally conducts herself better.
That;s generally my perception as well. They aren't perfect saints and there's certain ugliness among the more extreme groups in Israel but as a country they generally conduct themselves fairly well considering what they're up against.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:50:11pm |
re: #192 Varek Raith
Defense Ministry: South Korea starts live-fire drill
I got a bad feeling about this...
Sure you haven't just been seeing Return of the Jedi too often and gotten the line stuck in your head? :D
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:50:36pm |
re: #192 Varek Raith
Defense Ministry: South Korea starts live-fire drill
I got a bad feeling about this...
So far no response from the North Koreans other than the usual growling, barking, and blood-curdling threats. It is 5:48PM in Korea, just getting dark. That is when the Norks will make their move, if they make one.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:51:55pm |
re: #195 Shiplord Kirel
So far no response from the North Koreans other than the usual growling, barking, and blood-curdling threats. It is 5:48PM in Korea, just getting dark. That is when the Norks will make their move, if they make one.
They'd be better advised to move by day, if they were using artillery or naval units. The south has far better night vision systems.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:52:53pm |
re: #195 Shiplord Kirel
So far no response from the North Koreans other than the usual growling, barking, and blood-curdling threats. It is 5:48PM in Korea, just getting dark. That is when the Norks will make their move, if they make one.
Start firing while you still have some light, then shift under cover of darkness would be likely.
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:53:44pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:55:37pm |
Btw, There's been a very significant shift in MSM reporting from the Middle East since I first came to LGF. There has been a very quiet victory that has gone mostly noticed. I'll make a page about it sometime over the next week or two.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:57:08pm |
NK has always counted on the South to back down and assumed they would be casualty adverse in a conflict. They've seriously overplayed that hand.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 10:59:35pm |
Reports have been coming in that the live-fire exercise has ended.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:04:13pm |
re: #203 Gus 802
Reports have been coming in that the live-fire exercise has ended.
And now the wait. The floodlights at the DMZ are also scheduled to go on later today.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:06:05pm |
re: #204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And now the wait. The floodlights at the DMZ are also scheduled to go on later today.
Yeah. The defense ministry won't confirm. F-15Ks are in loitering. I'm sure they're still airborne.
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:07:35pm |
re: #205 Gus 802
Yeah. The defense ministry won't confirm. F-15Ks are in loitering. I'm sure they're still airborne.
We've probably got our own eyes on as well.
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Gus Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:10:50pm |
re: #206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
We've probably got our own eyes on as well.
Dragon Lady, AWACS, Growler, Prowler.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:32:47pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:36:21pm |
BWV_847
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Varek Raith Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:39:27pm |
Hatredcopter
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Kragar Sun, Dec 19, 2010 11:39:49pm |
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Kragar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:05:16am |
South Korea on ‘high alert’ after exercises
Before the drills began Seoul’s defence ministry put its air force on alert with the Yonhap News agency reporting that two destroyers have also been deployed in forward positions in the Yellow Sea as a precautionary measure. Civilians on Yeonpyeong and other frontline islands have been ordered to take shelter.
The exercises started shortly after a meeting of the United Nations Security Council broke up without agreement on a joint statement intended to cool the escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula. The failure was blamed on divisions over whether to directly condemn North Korea for the crisis, with Russia and China leading calls for the statement to be neutral.
Seoul was determined to conduct the drill after facing a barrage of domestic criticism for its perceived weak response to the recent North Korean attack. South Korea’s defence minister has said Seoul would hit back hard with its strong air power, if it were attacked again by the North.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:07:15am |
re: #218 Amory Blaine
DAMMIT I missed the lunar eclipse!!!
You sure?
Final lunar eclipse of 2010 set for early morning of December 21
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Amory Blaine Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:08:12am |
re: #219 Varek Raith
You sure?
Final lunar eclipse of 2010 set for early morning of December 21
Oops lol, I thought it was tonight.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:12:46am |
re: #220 Amory Blaine
Oops lol, I thought it was tonight.
So did I.
Got my camera out and checked every ten minutes. In the cold weather.
Then...
I realized it wasn't tonight...
Lol.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:24:59am |
Decades Later, Kissinger’s Words Stir Fresh Outrage Among Jews
What has caused many heads to swivel is a recording of Henry A. Kissinger, his national security adviser. Mr. Kissinger is heard telling Nixon in 1973 that helping Soviet Jews emigrate and thus escape oppression by a totalitarian regime — a huge issue at the time — was “not an objective of American foreign policy.”
“And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union,” he added, “it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.”
In New York, the epicenter of Jewish life in the United States, some jaws are still not back in place after dropping to the floor.Bad enough that any senior White House official would, without prodding, raise the grotesque specter of Jews once again being herded into gas chambers. But it was unbearable for some to hear that language come from Mr. Kissinger, a Jew who as a teenager fled Nazi Germany with his family, in 1938. Had he not found refuge in this country and in this city — the Kissingers settled in Washington Heights — he might have ended up in a gas chamber himself.
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engineer cat Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:58:23am |
re: #217 Gus 802
Oscar Peterson - Stephane Grappelli - Joe Pass - NUAGES
[Video]Giants.
the tune was of course written by grapelli's old partner, django rheinhart, who died in the early 50s. both django and bix biederbecke were giants of the jazz solo who wrote only a very few tunes themselves. but the few they did write were amazing compositions
the amazing thing to me is to listen to grapelli here - his performances on the hot club recordings are practically etched on my cortex. but here, decades later - what a tone!!! it reminds me of what wynton marsalis said about louis armstrong's tone in the 1950s - the notes themselves are not that difficult, but, "i can tell you that the solos are practically impossible to play"
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:21:09am |
First time posting from my iPhone...slow, but not terrible. And slow isn't a problem on a travel day. Safe travels to any other lizard commuting today!
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:50:14am |
Absolutely shocked I am not only able to load and read...but post on LGF. So many, many "forbidden" messages. And this site works. Hooray!
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freetoken Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:28:43am |
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:36:13am |
re: #228 freetoken
I can't listen to it. I am at work. Audio driver is disabled. USB disabled. Disc drive disabled. Most video not allowed by security protocols. Bored and looking for stimulating conversation; and wouldn't you know, most folks on that side of the world are asleep or otherwise occupied. But I'm about to get off work and get something to eat. So...
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Flounder Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:43:08am |
Morning all. Zero degrees here in beautiful upstate NY, even The trees are all frosty.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:43:11am |
re: #229 Escaped Hillbilly
So I take it your employer has stripped the computers of anything fun, eh?
I'm afraid I'm not very stimulating at this time of the morning... tis too late/early.
If you want stimulating... try this science story from this morning:
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:43:30am |
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:51:54am |
re: #231 freetoken
Interesting...
I think that may explain something about men's fascination with breasts.
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Escaped Hillbilly Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:54:57am |
re: #232 Obdicut
This is the message I get:
Reason: Per direction from deleted this site has been explicilty defined in the Web Content Filtering Category "none" and is prohibited.
Date UTC:
2010-12-20:12:52:08
User: deletedIP: deletedCategory:
Adult/Mature Content;Humor/Jokes
URL:
www.somethingawful.com/d/news/bolton-president-2012.php
Yeah, figures.
Tomorrow lizards!
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rwdflynavy Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:55:01am |
Good Morning Lizards!
This weekend I moved to step 2 of making my first Kriek. I added the beer to a new fermenter on top of two cans of pureed cherries. Now the hard part...waiting 3 months to keg it!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:07:27am |
Is it a new feature that you have to be logged in to see comments?
Because I can't view them otherwise.
?
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:11:47am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
I doubt it's a feature, but I'm getting the same thing.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:13:09am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
Is it a new feature that you have to be logged in to see comments?
Because I can't view them otherwise.
?
Someone asked a question about that last week. Charles said something about working on the db.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:14:07am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:15:42am |
Good morning. Can't get to work just yet. My stomach is in a good deal of pain. Hopefully it dies down after I eat a little bit.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:20:24am |
Eww.
Swedish med students perform prof's autopsy
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
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Flounder Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:23:29am |
re: #241 RogueOne
A few typos in that piece, but you are right...ewwww.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:23:39am |
re: #241 RogueOne
Eww.
Swedish med students perform prof's autopsy
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
Question is, did they CAUSE it to happen?!!?!
//
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:29:17am |
Random Photo: Using WikiLeaks to Sell .....
[Link: thegloss.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:34:16am |
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:37:08am |
I'm reporting you all to the FCC.
:P
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:38:25am |
As I was reading this article the ad came on Morning Joe. I figure it was a sign that the story needed spreading:
Jos. A. Bank Advertises "Super Jew Day" Sale?
[Link: consumerist.com...]
video at link. When it was just played on my local cable company there was an audio glitch right at the point discussed in the story. I wonder if they did the glitch on purpose..
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:48:17am |
The father-in-law of the suicide bomber in Sweden isn't holding back:
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
"We did not know and were not aware of his criminal plans. We feel no sorrow. We are not sad about his death. Quite the opposite," Ali Thwany wrote in a statement to several media outlets, including the Expressen daily, which published it on its website.
"With his action, he denies all the good he has received from Sweden, Sweden which took us in [and] has given us what no Arab or Muslim country has given us," Thwany lamented.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:51:26am |
re: #251 Obdicut
The father-in-law of the suicide bomber in Sweden isn't holding back:
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
That must be tough for him to say, but good on him for saying it. Here, for all those whose care to take note, is an anti-terrorist Muslim.
Publish that story, Pam, you shrieking harpy!
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:57:49am |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
And also willing to say that Sweden is doing what no Arab country would, in terms of taking them in as refugees. That's a blunt truth.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:58:29am |
re: #236 Varek Raith
Is it a new feature that you have to be logged in to see comments?
Because I can't view them otherwise.
?
It's about time...I kept telling Charles that we needed to keep a closer eye on you.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:59:34am |
re: #253 Obdicut
And also willing to say that Sweden is doing what no Arab country would, in terms of taking them in as refugees. That's a blunt truth.
Yes, it is. But blunt truth is often needed, in order to pierce the miasma of lies that envelop any Middle East issue.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:01:48am |
re: #254 Aceofwhat?
It's about time...I kept telling Charles that we needed to keep a closer eye on you.
You volunteering for that task!?!?!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:01:59am |
re: #254 Aceofwhat?
It's about time...I kept telling Charles that we needed to keep a closer eye on you.
Say again???
Image: 4bccd144-16ad-4198-9fa7-3922186232d8.jpg
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:03:36am |
re: #255 Dark_Falcon
In addition:
Muslim leaders in Sweden condemned the attack during Friday prayers.
"We are true Muslims and a true Muslim has nothing to do with a terror act," Imam Ben Mahmoud Rahmeh told hundreds of worshippers at the Stockholm Mosque.
"Sweden is our country and its people are our people. What pleases the country pleases us. What hurts the nation hurts us," Rahmeh said.
The Islamic federation in Sweden said the text of his sermon was sent to mosques around the country as inspiration for their Friday prayers.
Good to see.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:14:33am |
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rwdflynavy Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:34:59am |
Badminton is the official "sport" of the United States Air Force. I have seen several AF officers in the Pentagon with specially designed gym bags for their badminton rackets. I am not making this up.
PS: I think playing badminton is fun. Still, the above makes me chuckle.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:37:22am |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
That must be tough for him to say, but good on him for saying it. Here, for all those whose care to take note, is an anti-terrorist Muslim.
Publish that story, Pam, you shrieking harpy!
Speaking of things that are guaranteed to make a wing nuts head explode...
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
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rwdflynavy Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:42:29am |
re: #261 jamesfirecat
Speaking of things that are guaranteed to make a wing nuts head explode...
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
That'd be like associating "Kansas" with "hate-filled douchebags".
Heh
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:50:23am |
re: #261 jamesfirecat
Speaking of things that are guaranteed to make a wing nuts head explode...
[Link: www.cracked.com...]
Heads asplode!
Thomas Jefferson, for example, taught himself Arabic using his own copy of the Quran and hosted the first White House Iftar during Ramadan.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:13:26am |
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rwdflynavy Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:15:31am |
re: #264 Amory Blaine
I love Lambic and Kriek is my fave.
I shared a store bought Kriek with my wife (who only likes "light" beers) and she loved it. She didn't like hearing it would take another 3 months!
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:57:19am |
Good Morning!!
FYI....
Fishing should be relaxing...Yes?
Never step on the bath scale before going ICE FISHING!!!
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:00:43am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. A couple of NY-centric items to pass along:
1) Sen. Gillibrand says that the votes are there to pass the Zadroga 9/11 responders bill after adjustments were made to reduce the cost of the bill (but not a reduction to the services being provided to the responders). Better late than never, but this is something that should have been resolved years ago (such as during the Bush Administration when the issues of 9/11 responders began to be identified as a serious condition/concern).
2) Reports that Saudi King Abdullah was looking to buy St. Vincent's Hospital in the West Village and move the Cordoba House/Park51 project from near Ground Zero is news to the Park51 developers. They don't know anything about the proposal. I think it's something that the sellers were trying to float to get another developer to increase their bid on the properties.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:04:30am |
re: #267 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. A couple of NY-centric items to pass along:
1) Sen. Gillibrand says that the votes are there to pass the Zadroga 9/11 responders bill after adjustments were made to reduce the cost of the bill (but not a reduction to the services being provided to the responders). Better late than never, but this is something that should have been resolved years ago (such as during the Bush Administration when the issues of 9/11 responders began to be identified as a serious condition/concern).
2) Reports that Saudi King Abdullah was looking to buy St. Vincent's Hospital in the West Village and move the Cordoba House/Park51 project from near Ground Zero is news to the Park51 developers. They don't know anything about the proposal. I think it's something that the sellers were trying to float to get another developer to increase their bid on the properties.
1. Good show on the first point. that bill is needed and I'm glad its been fixed enough to get the support it needs.
2. Glad that this didn't occur. An overt Saudi connection would compromise Park 51 quite badly.
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:06:05am |
re: #263 Varek Raith
Heads asplode!
Brilliant.
In Morocco the water delivery system built in the Fifteenth Century still works. It was built according to the tax schedule; richer household, bigger pipes, higher taxes.
No wonder the Tea Partiers hate them. Muslims were commies long before Marx came on the scene.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:14:12am |
Well, my stomach has settled down, so I need to go to work now. BBT
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:17:38am |
re: #269 Romantic Heretic
Okay, it's the Romans, but your comment spurred my inner Mel Brooks.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:26:46am |
British officials announced the arrest of 12 in a purported terror plot.
Police confirmed that the men were detained by unarmed officers — indicating that any attack was unlikely to have been imminent.The arrests follow several weeks of surveillance and are not believed to be linked to the suicide bombing in Sweden on Dec. 11, or to recent concerns aired by European and U.S officials over purported plots to carry out Mumbai-style commando attacks on European cities.
Not linked to holiday attack
Police said 11 of the suspects were arrested at or close to their homes at around 5 a.m., while the remaining man was detained at a property in the central English city of Birmingham.Five of the arrested men are from Cardiff, four from Stoke-on-Trent and three from London, police said.
Officers said the suspects range in age from 17 to 28 and will be questioned on suspicion of commissioning, preparing or instigating acts of terrorism.
The arrests are the most high-profile antiterror raids in Britain since April 2009, when 12 men were detained in raids across northern England. All were released without charge, but authorities insisted they had thwarted a major al-Qaida bomb plot in the northern city of Manchester.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:31:03am |
The GOP current stance on START is foolish as hell.
9_9
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Flounder Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:35:23am |
re: #266 reloadingisnotahobby
First ice is supposed to be the best fishing, I think it is just a reason to drink hard cider waiting for the flags.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:37:02am |
Huh...?
Oh, please.
Like we'd ever use an ICBM with a conventional warhead. Freaking stupid. No one who sees such a launch would be able to tell if it's got a nuke or not. Freaking stupid!!!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:38:46am |
re: #276 Varek Raith
Huh...?
Oh, please.
Like we'd ever use an ICBM with a conventional warhead. Freaking stupid. No one who sees such a launch would be able to tell if it's got a nuke or not. Freaking stupid!!!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:41:22am |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
IMHO
DeBeers has betrayed its customer base to compete instead. Grr.
Buy Canadian diamonds!
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:45:25am |
re: #276 Varek Raith
Huh...?
Oh, please.
Like we'd ever use an ICBM with a conventional warhead. Freaking stupid. No one who sees such a launch would be able to tell if it's got a nuke or not. Freaking stupid!!!
You know. Here it is 2010 and we're still fucking worried about the Russians. Of course I accept reality but just thinking about how we've (both countries) managed to extend this damned rivalry for 64 years is mind boggling. Then again, considering that most humans are still using Bronze Age fiction as a life manual it shouldn't surprise me.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:46:43am |
re: #279 Gus 802
And human beings are not naturally inclined to be able to understand-- or at least apply an understanding-- of statistics.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:46:57am |
It's also the military-industrial complex. Who do you think wants START to tank? Boeing and Lockheed-Martin.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:47:00am |
re: #279 Gus 802
You know. Here it is 2010 and we're still fucking worried about the Russians. Of course I accept reality but just thinking about how we've (both countries) managed to extend this damned rivalry for 64 years is mind boggling. Then again, considering that most humans are still using Bronze Age fiction as a life manual it shouldn't surprise me.
The Russians are the reason the GOP is bitching about missile defense. They want it to counter Russian missiles. Even though we can never design such a system.
Ridiculous that they GOP still wants to fight the Cold War.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:47:28am |
re: #274 Varek Raith
The GOP current stance on START is foolish as hell.
9_9
Didn't Kyl say it would be unchristian to ratify the treaty? That's not a foolish thing to say, it's a completely idiotic thing to say.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:48:59am |
re: #282 Varek Raith
The Russians are the reason the GOP is bitching about missile defense. They want it to counter Russian missiles. Even though we can never design such a system.
Ridiculous that they GOP still wants to fight the Cold War.
Missile defense in the magnitude they're talking about is still in its infancy. They talk as though it's 100 percent reliable. The last test failed. F-a-i-l-e-d.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:49:50am |
I mean, shit.
If it hits the fan and we have a full scale nuclear exchange, does anyone really believe any defense system can cope with hundreds if not thousands of incoming ICBMs?
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:50:10am |
re: #283 darthstar
Didn't Kyl say it would be unchristian to ratify the treaty? That's not a foolish thing to say, it's a completely idiotic thing to say.
The why should they worry? I mean. If everything blows up they get to go to the Sky Hilton for eternity. (See there's that Bronze Age stuff again.)
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:50:47am |
re: #281 Gus 802
Those are among the contractors for PGS and EKV weapons. START is fine for them.
re: #282 Varek Raith
The GOP knows we can not stop a hundred warheads. Nothing is planned that can. Nothing is proposed that can.
So let's not worry about NK or Iran?
IMO-Missile Defense is a clarion national responsibility. As is PGS.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:52:16am |
re: #279 Gus 802
What of China? Ignore that strategic threat? No thanks.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:52:36am |
Just sign the thing and get it over with. The Russians won't accept it with the amendment. They negotiated it without the amendment. You would have to be really clueless to think that the Russians will accept this with the amendment.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:55:07am |
re: #288 Rightwingconspirator
What of China? Ignore that strategic threat? No thanks.
Who said anything about ignoring?
It's just reality. Any missile defense system we make just can't handle anything beyond a minor ICBM attack. It's useless against Russia. China.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:55:11am |
re: #288 Rightwingconspirator
What of China? Ignore that strategic threat? No thanks.
What you don't think with over 700 warheads we could kill China?
So if it really is a strategic threat then why are we giving them head every single day and asking them to purchase our treasuries to keep us afloat? Yeah, it's a threat but it also keeps Wal-Mart stocked, Boeing buzzing, and the Apple factories running.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:57:38am |
re: #290 Varek Raith
Who said anything about ignoring?
It's just reality. Any missile defense system we make just can't handle anything beyond a minor ICBM attack. It's useless against Russia. China.
Just like what Kerry is talking about now. Talked about by now that is.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:03:02am |
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.
Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:06:04am |
Yes, because 700 ways to launch multi-warhead, multi-megaton missiles is just not enough.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:08:07am |
re: #295 Varek Raith
Yes, because 700 ways to launch multi-warhead, multi-megaton missiles is just not enough.
If you listen to these guys you would think that if we ever got down to 400 warheads and the Russian had 700 the Russians would attack.
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:11:26am |
re: #282 Varek Raith
The Russians are the reason the GOP is bitching about missile defense. They want it to counter Russian missiles. Even though we can never design such a system.
Ridiculous that they GOP still wants to fight the Cold War.
But that's when America was 'the indispensable country'. They want those days back, damn it!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:12:02am |
re: #297 Gus 802
Bombers as deterrence? What year is it 1955?
Yeah....
Like the Russians don't have a sizable interceptor force to shoot them down.
It's ICBMs. Has been ever since we developed them.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:13:18am |
Pamela Geller is linking to this fake video today....
Muslim "call to prayer" at 6AM in Brooklyn, NY
Aren't there nuisance laws, public ordinances, and disturbing the peace laws? I mean, really. This is harassment and attrition.
Filmed across the street from the mosque and the call to prayer is louder than the traffic. It's an obvious fake.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:14:26am |
re: #291 Gus 802
Of course we could, but my point is in support of missile defense against a rogue or limited strike and support for PGS.
Slapping down the incoming gives us the room to not respond with nukes. As does the PGS-conventional warhead. Even if a defensive system saved say three cities, is that a bad thing? Well worth doing if you can. As much as we want to ficus on test fails, every complex system has fails. If we stopped at the fail points, we'd not be flying.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:14:48am |
re: #299 Varek Raith
Yeah...
Like the Russians don't have a sizable interceptor force to shoot them down.
It's ICBMs. Has been ever since we developed them.
Or modern SAMs. And it's a reliable and proven defensive system.
Well, looks like we've created a permanent enemy and so have they. It'll be like this for the next 500 years until they come to their senses.
Meanwhile, the Russian space program has become the backbone for many of our NASA missions.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:15:33am |
re: #299 Varek Raith
Bombers launch stealth cruise missiles from far away. They count.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:15:47am |
re: #301 Rightwingconspirator
Of course we could, but my point is in support of missile defense against a rogue or limited strike and support for PGS.
Slapping down the incoming gives us the room to not respond with nukes. As does the PGS-conventional warhead. Even if a defensive system saved say three cities, is that a bad thing? Well worth doing if you can. As much as we want to ficus on test fails, every complex system has fails. If we stopped at the fail points, we'd not be flying.
No one said not to have missile defense. But the reality is that it's years away from being reliable.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:15:58am |
re: #302 Gus 802
Or modern SAMs. And it's a reliable and proven defensive system.
Well, looks like we've created a permanent enemy and so have they. It'll be like this for the next 500 years until they come to their senses.
Meanwhile, the Russian space program has become the backbone for many of our NASA missions.
When the wall fell I thought we were in for a relative peace for my lifetime. How naive I was.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:16:11am |
Boehner and Cantor like little girls.
This week, a GOP whip alert went out about the child marriage legislation, saying that House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Committee on Foreign Affairs Ranking Member Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) all oppose it.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:16:49am |
re: #296 Gus 802
Bomber gap! Missile gap!
Am I really surprised that we're getting 1950s terms thrown around? The number of warheads we're talking about (under the reduced amounts based on START) would be a roll back to the early 1950s in term of numbers on both sides (though the US had a significant edge through the 1950s).
This is where we're at now - (including tactical/strategic for all known or estimated weapons capable nations).
This shows an overlay of US/Russian weapons.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:17:46am |
Rest assured fellow Americans, we can still reduce the Earth to a burnt cinder in two hours.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:18:06am |
re: #308 Varek Raith
Rest assured fellow Americans, we can still reduce the Earth to a burnt cinder in two hours.
Whew!!!!
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:19:36am |
re: #308 Varek Raith
Eh, we've gone soft. We used to be able to do it in 45 minutes, or your money back.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:22:19am |
re: #306 darthstar
"But last night, the bill was voted down in the House by Republicans who argued the bill is too costly and could lead to increased abortions"
Family values!!!!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:24:16am |
THE REDS ARE COMING TO GET US ALL!
DUCK AND COVER!
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darthstar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:25:26am |
re: #312 Amory Blaine
"But last night, the bill was voted down in the House by Republicans who argued the bill is too costly and could lead to increased abortions"
Family values!!!
Exactly...don't worry about the kids getting abused. Worry about the abused kids not carrying a fetus to term.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:28:54am |
The AGM-129 is so stealthy they lost track of a few of them back in 2007.
It's not really a fully stealth cruise missile anyway. It has stealth technology and crawls at a speed of 500 mph. Range is 2000 miles. So yes, technically you could launch one from a 60 year old B-52 to vaporize Russian civilians.
For what I don't know. Last time the Russians made a move, in Georgia, the West did not respond.
700 warheads is more than sufficient. The START treaty also allows for modernization.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:30:05am |
re: #315 Gus 802
The AGM-129 is so stealthy they lost track of a few of them back in 2007.
It's not really a fully stealth cruise missile anyway. It has stealth technology and crawls at a speed of 500 mph. Range is 2000 miles. So yes, technically you could launch one from a 60 year old B-52 to vaporize Russian civilians.
For what I don't know. Last time the Russians made a move, in Georgia, the West did not respond.
700 warheads is more than sufficient. The START treaty also allows for modernization.
It's actually 700 launchers/means of delivery and 1550 warheads.
So...
MORE BOOM!
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:31:14am |
re: #316 Varek Raith
It's actually 700 launchers/means of delivery and 1550 warheads.
So...
MORE BOOM!
OK, launch vehicles. Damn thing was written by lawyers.
BTW, the AGM-129 was retired.
[Link: www.fas.org...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:31:34am |
Yeah...
The US doesn't have MIRV missiles...
Nope. Not at all. No sirree!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:36:36am |
PGS.
Really?
We're going to use ICBMs with conventional warheads and... what?
How the hell could any other country tell what payload it has when launched?
Seriously. We almost blew the crap out the world during the Cold War because of launches we or Russia couldn't identify...
| 320 |
Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:38:55am |
Missile defense program failed second test in a row, U.S. says
Thursday, December 16, 2010
A test of the U.S. missile defense program failed Wednesday, the second in a row involving the system, the Defense Department said.
The Missile Defense Agency provided no preliminary explanation of the failure, the seventh out of 15 tries for the program.
"This is a tremendous setback for the testing of this complicated system," Riki Ellison, head of the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance, a booster group, said in a statement. He said it raised troubling questions about the reliability of the 30 or so interceptor missiles deployed in silos in Alaska and California.
A spokeswoman for Boeing, which manages the missile defense project, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The multibillion-dollar, ground-based bulwark is designed to shoot down a limited number of long-range ballistic missiles that could be tipped with chemical, biological or nuclear warheads. The system is part of a layered hedge against countries such as North Korea and Iran.
Stop thinking that these things are operational because they're not.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:41:13am |
Lol.
These bomber deterrents didn't stop North Korea. Or Iran. Or Pakistan. Or India. Or China.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:41:25am |
re: #319 Varek Raith
PGS will work from submarines or naval surface ships, so the weapon need not overfly Russia, China or Europe. It would work from B-2's as well.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:44:28am |
re: #322 Rightwingconspirator
PGS will work from submarines or naval surface ships, so the weapon need not overfly Russia, China or Europe. It would work from B-2's as well.
And how long after a launch would it take Russia or China to determine it's heading?
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:44:57am |
re: #320 Gus 802
The navy has had some successes. And it has worked in the past, so we know it can be made to work.
[Link: www.spacewar.com...]
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:46:30am |
re: #323 Varek Raith
That is what the red phone is for. A mid pacific launch at NK would not overfly Russia. It's arc would clearly show its path. Then after a conventional warheads does its thing the reality is obvious.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:47:05am |
Solar storm could knock out power grids and satellites
A huge solar storm is set to hit Earth on Monday with the potential to knock out power grids and interfere with communication satellites.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:47:29am |
re: #321 Varek Raith
I suspect the ability to bomb each other has restrained India and Pakistan.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:48:48am |
re: #328 Rightwingconspirator
I suspect the ability to bomb each other has restrained India and Pakistan.
Uh...so what's the problem?
1550 warheads not enough?
700 ways to launch said warheads not enough.
How much is enough?
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darthstar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:49:01am |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
They keep promising the big one, but it never gets here. (*&$)@)s SO$)80@$@ {}>EW@@?// or so they say...
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:49:19am |
Is Walter in the house, or still in Eu?
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:49:33am |
re: #324 Rightwingconspirator
Some success against something with absolutely zero countermeasures.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:49:56am |
Harry Potter star 'beaten after meeting non-Muslim man'
Victim Afshan Azad, 22, played Padma Patil, a classmate of the teenage wizard, in the blockbuster Hollywood films based on the children's books by JK Rowling.She was assaulted and branded a ''prostitute'' after meeting a young Hindu man, a relationship which brought anger from her father, Abul Azad, 53, and brother, Ashraf, 28, Manchester Crown Court heard.
The frightened actress later fled through her bedroom window after threats were made to kill her.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:50:18am |
re: #332 Obdicut
Some success against something with absolutely zero countermeasures.
Good point...
How long before they/we put ecm/chaff systems on ICBMs?
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:54:05am |
With failed test, questions about U.S. missile defense
The whole program reportedly has a budget of about $10 billion a year. Each test, according to Ellison, costs about $100 million, including the $60 million to $70 million for each of the ground-based interceptors, or GBI missiles.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:54:57am |
re: #336 Gus 802
But there's absolutely nothing we can cut from the defense budget!
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:56:20am |
re: #333 Killgore Trout
Parents who threaten their children's lives should lose all rights, in every way, towards that child.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:56:23am |
I support the START treaty, anti missile defenses and PGS-Conventional. I oppose the ending or reduction of anti missile efforts. I worry the Russians will bail out of START if we ever have solid successes at anti missile defense.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:56:40am |
150 years ago today, SC seceded from the Union.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:56:41am |
re: #338 Obdicut
But there's absolutely nothing we can cut from the defense budget!
Freedom isn't free! //
Yet we couldn't find a way to finance a public option.
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darthstar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:57:34am |
re: #341 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
150 years ago today, SC seceded from the Union.
Happy Sesquicentennial!
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:57:46am |
re: #340 Rightwingconspirator
I support the START treaty, anti missile defenses and PGS-Conventional. I oppose the ending or reduction of anti missile efforts. I worry the Russians will bail out of START if we ever have solid successes at anti missile defense.
We'll never design a missile defense system to stop a Russian ICBM attack.
| 345 |
Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:58:09am |
re: #340 Rightwingconspirator
I worry the Russians will bail out of START if we ever have solid successes at anti missile defense.
Well then I have good news!
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Capitalist Tool Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:58:18am |
re: #338 Obdicut
But there's absolutely nothing we can cut from the defense budget!
and no place for $8+ billion in earmarks
| 347 |
Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:59:36am |
New START and U.S. National Security
Fourth, Moscow expressed concern about potential U.S. missile defense developments in 1991 and made a similar unilateral statement in conjunction with its signature of the START I Treaty. In fact, the Russians did not withdraw from START I, even after the United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty in 2002 and began deploying ground-based interceptors whose deployment would have been barred by the ABM Treaty. Moscow may hope to use the threat of withdrawal to persuade the United States to scale back its missile defense plans, but that tactic has not worked in the past.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 9:59:54am |
re: #345 Obdicut
Well then I have good news!
Hell, we have a hard time shooting down missiles that we launched. I don't think it'd be that effective against any surprise missile attack.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:00:14am |
re: #332 Obdicut
So far. Weapons are like that. Move, counter move, recounter. Every weapon manufactured was once a pipe dream and had many failures. Every major weapon that serves us well has that R&D history.
| 350 |
Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:01:09am |
re: #346 Capitalist Tool
and no place for $8+ billion in earmarks
They ever locate that 23 billion dollars that was "lost" in Iraq?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:01:33am |
Hackers steal English Defence League membership list
The attackers, who claimed to be part of a group called the "Mujahideen Hacking Unit", obtained lists of those who had recently bought items from the site or donated money to the group.
| 352 |
Capitalist Tool Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:01:44am |
re: #350 Gus 802
They ever locate that 23 billion dollars that was "lost" in Iraq?
look for the guys with the biggest cigars
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:02:44am |
re: #349 Rightwingconspirator
And many weapons remain a pipe dream, because they really area a pipe dream.
There is no anti-weapon system ever designed that is expected to defeat all attacks, except, perhaps, the Phalanx on an aircraft destroyer-- which is a time when you know exactly where the target is at all times, since it's the carrier itself.
| 354 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:02:53am |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
I doubt it... these things are never... bzzzzzz... pssssszz... even when you are expecting... zoooonnngggg.... bzbzbzbz.... flash... and that's my opinion on the subject.
| 355 |
Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:02:57am |
re: #352 Capitalist Tool
look for the guys with the biggest cigars
Or the ones driving around in fancy cars.
| 356 |
Capitalist Tool Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:03:29am |
re: #349 Rightwingconspirator
So far. Weapons are like that. Move, counter move, recounter. Every weapon manufactured was once a pipe dream and had many failures. Every major weapon that serves us well has that R&D history.
that's why cheetahs and gazelles are as fast as they are
| 358 |
Kragar Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:05:50am |
Someone is getting a 2 grand bonus and a 5% raise for Christmas.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:05:56am |
re: #345 Obdicut
Funny how they fear our ability to stop a few missiles they can so easily overcome. Why would that be? Simple. The radars will essentially make the whole northern hemisphere "open skies' 24/7. Of course they could and should do the same.
Let me turn the argument around.
We must not have the ability to save even a few cities from missile attack. To do so would be wrong.
Huh?
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:06:13am |
re: #358 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Someone is getting a 2 grand bonus and a 5% raise for Christmas.
I'll take it in unmarked bills.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:06:44am |
re START
there is no strategic threat until some party creates a strategic threat..the entire thing is a lot of diplomatic wind that means nothing if somebody wants to threaten others...just sign this meaningless paper and be done with it....it's all bullshit
| 362 |
Capitalist Tool Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:06:55am |
re: #358 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Someone is getting a 2 grand bonus and a 5% raise for Christmas.
loan me 3 bucks?
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:07:19am |
re: #357 Varek Raith
I disagree with the effort to stop the START treaty as strongly as I can express.
| 364 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:07:50am |
Renowned Peace Activist vs American Missile....
Al Qaeda Militant Killed In Afghanistan Was Amnesty, CagePrisoners, Guardian, Indie Pin Up
| 365 |
Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:08:01am |
re: #363 Rightwingconspirator
I disagree with the effort to stop the START treaty as strongly as I can express.
I know.
I respect your position on START.
| 366 |
Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:08:01am |
re: #359 Rightwingconspirator
Funny how they fear our ability to stop a few missiles they can so easily overcome. Why would that be? Simple. The radars will essentially make the whole northern hemisphere "open skies' 24/7. Of course they could and should do the same.
Let me turn the argument around.
We must not have the ability to save even a few cities from missile attack. To do so would be wrong.
Huh?
We won't be able to afford a complete blanket without raising taxes. If we want to turn the USA into a fortress on our borders and our skies it's going to cost trillions of dollars.
| 367 |
Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:09:10am |
re: #332 Obdicut
Would we expect counter measures from NK?
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albusteve Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:09:47am |
re: #363 Rightwingconspirator
I disagree with the effort to stop the START treaty as strongly as I can express.
strongly strongly strongly?
| 369 |
Varek Raith Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:13:42am |
Now they're complaining about tactical nukes.
Weapons most generals would never deploy on a battlefield.
He keeps complaining about the 10 to 1 advantage.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:32:08am |
re: #359 Rightwingconspirator
Funny how they fear our ability to stop a few missiles they can so easily overcome.
They really don't. Because they really have no desire to launch a nuclear attack on us.
Let me turn the argument around.
We must not have the ability to save even a few cities from missile attack. To do so would be wrong.
Huh?
Yeah, that is a ridiculous argument. I'm glad you're not making it.
| 372 |
Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:33:24am |
re: #367 Rightwingconspirator
Yes? I mean, if they went to the trouble of actually getting a ballistic missile that could strike the US, they'd also go to the trouble of getting countermeasures. Or should we just hope they don't?
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:55:41am |
re: #372 Obdicut
I would expect that to be beyond their means, and with time our system will upgrade as well.
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Gus Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:07:37am |
On John McCain:
Two Dreams, One Dead
Posted by Joe Klein Saturday, December 18, 2010 at 8:13 pm
The Senate today passed the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," which is a good thing. It did not pass the "Dream Act," which is a cold, cold abomination. There is a relationship between the two. Repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will allow homosexuals--who have fought honorably in every one of America's wars--to serve openly. Blocking the "Dream Act" means that young immigrants, who were brought here illegally by their parents, will not be able to gain citizenship by completing college or by serving in the military.
...
...He's a bitter man now, who can barely tolerate the fact that he lost to Barack Obama. But he lost for an obvious reason: his campaign proved him to be puerile and feckless, a politician who panicked when the heat was on during the financial collapse, a trigger-happy gambler who chose an incompetent for his vice president. He has made quite a show ever since of demonstrating his petulance and lack of grace.
...
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:07:40am |
Hey Lizardnauts! I've inundated myself with literature this past year and am ready to join the living again. Is this still, basically, the LGF I remember?
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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:09:54am |
re: #375 ggt
Hey Lizardnauts! I've inundated myself with literature this past year and am ready to join the living again. Is this still, basically, the LGF I remember?
It just keeps getting better.
Welcome back!
| 377 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:11:31am |
re: #376 wrenchwench
Thanks. Lots of Science Fiction and really good literature has given me a new perspective. The world is changing so fast. I'm not sure I want to change at the same pace.
This Wikileaks thing has me really thinking.
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Political Atheist Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:13:48am |
re: #371 Obdicut
The opponents of anti missile systems do make that argument, via arguments about money or accusations the tech is not achievable, or the Russians will be mad, or (ad nauseum) ...
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:51:23am |
re: #373 Rightwingconspirator
I would expect that to be beyond their means, and with time our system will upgrade as well.
So the purpose of this system is to protect against those who can afford to build ballistic missiles, but not countermeasures?
That's what we'd spend trillions for?
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