Gov. Haley Barbour Praises White Supremacist Group

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The meltdown of the Republican Party into a stinky puddle of racist goo is accelerating. In an interview with the Weekly Standard, Governor Haley Barbour (R-MS) actually praised the civil rights era white supremacist group known as the “White Citizens’ Council.”

As Barbour recalls it in a new profile in The Weekly Standard, things weren’t so bad in his hometown of Yazoo City, which took until 1970 to integrate its schools (though the final event itself is said to have gone on peacefully). For example, Barbour says that there was no problem of Ku Klux Klan activity in the town — thanks to the Citizens Council movement, an organization that was founded on the basis of resistance to integration and the promotion of white supremacy.

“You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK,” said Barbour. “Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.”

Unbelievable. And this guy is considered one of the possible GOP presidential nominees in 2012. I’d like to think this will put an end to that aspiration, but in the current deranged version of the GOP I strongly suspect this won’t harm his chances one bit; on the contrary, it may actually make him more popular.

An interesting/appalling note: the White Citizens’ Council eventually mutated into its current incarnation, the Council of Conservative Citizens, without losing any of their virulent racism. And in her book, Guilty: Liberal “Victims” and Their Assault on America, another right wing hero, Ann Coulter, defended the Council of Conservative Citizens and claimed there was no obvious evidence of racism on their website.

Google the CCC website and see for yourself. But make sure you have an airsick bag handy.

UPDATE at 12/20/10 11:13:51 am:

A weird post from Dave Weigel, defending Barbour: Haley Barbour and the Citizens Councils.

Barbour is not dumb. If he’s being a revisionist about race in Mississippi, he’s not alone, and he’s fighting back against a media standard that all conservatives hate — this idea that Southerners and conservatives can never stop atoning for Jim Crow. Why should he have to apologize for this, after all? He wasn’t in a Citizens Council.

Barbour was speaking to a writer for the Weekly Standard, hardly the kind of person who would ask him to “atone for Jim Crow.” And in fact, Barbour wasn’t even asked about the Citizens’ Councils; he volunteered his defense of one of the most overtly racist organizations that has ever existed in the United States, all on his own, right in the middle of an extremely sympathetic interview.

With the exception of some people, like Howell Raines — who covered Barbour’s 1986 Senate bid — how many of these reporters know what they’re talking about, anyway?

Again, he was talking to the Weekly Standard, not The Nation.

And there are few things conservative voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement.

I’m sure it isn’t pleasant for them to be reminded of it, but conservative voters could have avoided being told they were on the wrong side of the civil rights movement by not being on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.

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123 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:07:28am

I guess they saw the Klan as competition.

2 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:08:52am

Yes, much like how you never hear of Italy having a problem with the Yakuza….

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:08:59am

re: #1 Alouette

I guess they saw the Klan as competition.

They were the Klan. The cleaned up version without the white hoods.

And today they’re called the Council of Conservative Citizens, and Ann Coulter defends them.

4 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:11:03am
I’d like to think this will put an end to that aspiration, but in the current deranged version of the GOP I strongly suspect this won’t harm his chances one bit; on the contrary, it may actually make him more popular.


I’ve become fatalistic. Fox News and the Tea Parties have gone so far off the rails that they’ve become immune to criticism. If Glenn Beck were to tattoo a swastika on his forehead and start screaming about alien anal probes nobody would even take notice.

5 kirkspencer  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:11:09am

What, Boss Hogg for President?

Seriously, though, he’s one of the most charismatic politicians I’ve met. He’s very good at making the people around him like him despite his stances and past. I don’t think he’ll get the nod in 2012 because of Sarah. But if he’s still kicking then he’s a possible for 2016.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:11:59am

Yazoo Citizens

Doug Pennington points to evidence that the Yazoo City chapter was very much on board with the cause, in a history of integration in Mississippi published by the University Press of Mississippi.

“The most unrelenting persecution of black school petitionsers, however, came in Yazoo City,” the author, Charles Bolton, writes of the desegregation petitions that followed the Brown v. Board of Education ruling in 1955. ” The Yazoo City Citizens Council chapter paid for the newspaper ad listing the names and addresses of the fifty-three signers of the school petition as a ‘public service.’”

The group, he reports, then went about boycotting their business and closing their bank accounts until almost all of them had withdrawn their names from the petitions.

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:12:02am

Unreal.

going OT for a moment, despite the rain on saturday still managed to get a 5lb rainbow trout in a local trout contest. Unfortunately the other fish that won were all bigger, but still a personal best.

8 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:12:50am

re: #7 Dreggas

Unreal.

going OT for a moment, despite the rain on saturday still managed to get a 5lb rainbow trout in a local trout contest. Unfortunately the other fish that won were all bigger, but still a personal best.

Nice!

9 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:13:11am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I’ve become fatalistic. Fox News and the Tea Parties have gone so far off the rails that they’ve become immune to criticism. If Glenn Beck were to tattoo a swastika on his forehead and start screaming about alien anal probes nobody would even take notice.

They’d take notice, they’d instantly start writing letters and making calls demanding to know why the government was wasting our tax money on healthcare and handouts instead of doing something to combat the extra-terrestrial menaces that are probing good honest hard working Americans…

10 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:13:37am

re: #3 Charles

Charles, I purchased the Kindle version of Republican Gomorrrah last night. I fell asleep around the beginning of chapter four—it’s fascinating in a dreadful way. I had no idea about the backgrounds of some of these people. Yikes.

It should be required reading for everyone.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:13:54am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So basically they boycotted and ran out of town those who supported integration but didn’t run the Klan or others out of town. I can see how Barber got that mixed up.

//

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:15:08am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

they’re stocking the lake I was out with 15-20lb bows this week and will be planting fish like that once a month for the rest of the season. I am looking forward to getting out there again.

14 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:17:43am

He’s just giving Real ‘Murkins(TM) their well deserved praise.

//////dripping

15 theheat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:19:10am

So, are any fellow Republicans going to take him to task about this, or just give him a high five?

It’s nice to see Michael Steele has such nice manners he’d never speak out against his own when they get their racism on.
//

16 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #12 Dreggas

they’re stocking the lake I was out with 15-20lb bows this week and will be planting fish like that once a month for the rest of the season. I am looking forward to getting out there again.

I’m so jealous. They tore down a damn and took out my closest trout lake a few years ago. I have to drive an hour each way to get to a decent lake and it really pisses me off.

17 Political Atheist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:19:52am

Todays LA Times has a big piece on Mr. Newt and his likely entry into 2012.
[Link: www.latimes.com…]

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:22:06am

re: #15 theheat

It’s nice to see Michael Steele has such nice manners he’d never speak out against his own when they get their racism on.
//

His continued presence is their attempt at distracting attention from people like HB.

19 albusteve  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:22:36am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I’ve become fatalistic. Fox News and the Tea Parties have gone so far off the rails that they’ve become immune to criticism. If Glenn Beck were to tattoo a swastika on his forehead and start screaming about alien anal probes nobody would even take notice.

which is exactly the best thing that could happen to him…his cred is something from nothing, truly AmIdol politics at it’s most refined

20 AlexRogan  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:27:55am

While I was impressed with his administration’s response to the aftermath of Katrina down in MS, Barbour has shown himself to be a douche pandering to the nativists and TPers, like most muckety-mucks in the current GOP.

Grrrrrrr…

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:28:12am

Lou Engle: No More ‘Weather Vane Christians’

Engle claims that “everything is shaking” and the conference will be filled with zeal and everyone can feel the rumble.

He is “burning” for a new breed of young men and women who are not “weather vane Christians” but prophets of steel who will shift the culture so that Jesus can return.

This would be the same Lou Engle who has called for Christian Suicide bombers, thinks the OK City bombing was a good thing, and worked with Ugandans to put killing homosexuals into their constitution.

Plus, he’s a big Palin fan.

22 darthstar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:28:15am

I’m dreaming of a White Christmas,
Just like the ones that Barbour wants,
Where the branches glisten,
from ropes and resin,
and fears that good white folk seldom know.

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:28:29am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I’m so jealous. They tore down a damn and took out my closest trout lake a few years ago. I have to drive an hour each way to get to a decent lake and it really pisses me off.

Now that sucks. I have a few park lakes near me that they plant in during the winter, but I have yet to catch anything from them. Gonna hit them both on wednesday since they stocked this week. Sure they’re stockers and all but still fun to catch.

There are a few spots within half an hour to an hour of me, 2 of which are private lakes I pay to fish. It’s not like it was back in NY where I could fish anywhere any time but at least there’s fish to be had.

24 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:28:34am

Seems to be a re-energized assault on the history of slavery and racism in general.

25 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:30:27am

That’s a huge article about Barbour at the Weekly Standard that TPM links to, in fact it’s the cover story. I’m so shallow, though, I think I know all I need to about someone who’s so unaware of what a bigot he’s painted himself as with his own words, just by reading this excerpt.

26 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:30:38am

Have the right wing bloggers started defending Barbour yet? You know it’s coming.

27 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:31:23am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I’ve become fatalistic. Fox News and the Tea Parties have gone so far off the rails that they’ve become immune to criticism. If Glenn Beck were to tattoo a swastika on his forehead and start screaming about alien anal probes nobody would even take notice.

Based on what I’ve read so far, the hard-core “base” is simply reverting to its original form. Whatever moderate elements existed have either been driven out or are too cowed (or greedy for power) to fight back.

I’m finding it increasingly difficult to understand how any sane, self-respecting conservative with even a modicum of ethics left can continue to stand with these people.

28 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:31:59am

re: #24 Amory Blaine

Seems to be a re-energized assault on the history of slavery and racism in general.

That’s because it’s OK, there’s little to no risk in it nowadays. In the information age, no less.

Let them keep speaking and get it all on record.

29 kingkenrod  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:34:12am

Even without the racism this stinks. Who praises a form of government where town leaders can make you lose your job or “get your ass run out of town”? Who wants a president that approves of that?

30 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:34:39am

re: #29 kingkenrod

Even without the racism this stinks. Who praises a form of government where town leaders can make you lose your job or “get your ass run out of town”? Who wants a president that approves of that?

Teabaggers

31 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:35:15am

re: #27 CuriousLurker

I’m finding it increasingly difficult to understand how any sane, self-respecting conservative with even a modicum of ethics left can continue to stand with these people.

That’s me you’re speaking of and I can’t stand with them any longer because, as you say, the moderate charade has come off. Maybe I’m not conservative any more, who knows.

32 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:35:25am

re: #23 Dreggas

Now that sucks. I have a few park lakes near me that they plant in during the winter, but I have yet to catch anything from them. Gonna hit them both on wednesday since they stocked this week. Sure they’re stockers and all but still fun to catch.

There are a few spots within half an hour to an hour of me, 2 of which are private lakes I pay to fish. It’s not like it was back in NY where I could fish anywhere any time but at least there’s fish to be had.

Good for you. I kinda gave up on fishing because the hassle and expense of all the driving. I’m googling now seeing if there’s a decent lake close to me that I don’t know about. I really miss fishing, it’s good for the soul.

33 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:36:23am

re: #26 Charles

Have the right wing bloggers started defending Barbour yet? You know it’s coming.

Dave Weigel:

Like I said, Barbour is not dumb. If he’s being a revisionist about race in Mississippi, he’s not alone, and he’s fighting back against a media standard that all conservatives hate — this idea that Southerners and conservatives can never stop atoning for Jim Crow. Why should he have to apologize for this, after all? He wasn’t in a Citizens Council. With the exception of some people, like Howell Raines — who covered Barbour’s 1986 Senate bid — how many of these reporters know what they’re talking about, anyway? And there are few things conservative voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement.

34 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:38:15am

re: #33 Gus 802

That makes no fucking sense. Why should he have to apologize for it? Maybe he shouldn’t. But he’s not apologizing— he’s celebrating it.

And there are few things conservative voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement

Too fucking bad. They still are.

35 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:39:22am

Uh, Charles, Mississippi is abbreviated as “MS”, “MI” is the abbreviation of Michigan. Just wanted to point that out for you.

36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:39:32am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Good for you. I kinda gave up on fishing because the hassle and expense of all the driving. I’m googling now seeing if there’s a decent lake close to me that I don’t know about. I really miss fishing, it’s good for the soul.


Amen on it being good for the soul.

37 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:39:39am

re: #34 Obdicut

That makes no fucking sense. Why should he have to apologize for it? Maybe he shouldn’t. But he’s not apologizing— he’s celebrating it.

Too fucking bad. They still are.

Looks like Weigel is preemptively blaming the media. Typical tactic from these bird brains. It’s the media’s fault. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

38 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:40:26am

re: #35 commadore183

Uh, Charles, Mississippi is abbreviated as “MS”, “MI” is the abbreviation of Michigan. Just wanted to point that out for you.

Michigan just elected a Tea Party governor.

39 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:41:29am

re: #33 Gus 802

That post is just wacky fallacy-fu. I’ll leave it at that.

40 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:41:32am

re: #31 BigPapa

That’s me you’re speaking of and I can’t stand with them any longer because, as you say, the moderate charade has come off. Maybe I’m not conservative any more, who knows.

I feel bad for you, I truly do. I hope some of the conservative leaders who’ve been excommunicated can figure out how to either wrest control from the hands of the wingnuts or start a new party. And I hope they do it soon.

41 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:42:14am

re: #33 Gus 802

Dave Weigel:

///They must hate it so much because its true…..

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:42:22am

re: #34 Obdicut

“And there are few things conservative voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement”

One thing they hate even more: being reminded that they were on the wrong side of the Civil War

43 jaunte  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:42:32am

re: #1 Alouette

I guess they saw the Klan as competition.

The political ruling class in the Mississippi Delta does have a history of defending its poor black labor force from the Klan-oriented populists in the rest of the state (see [Link: www.amazon.com…] for some of the history) but it was an extremely self-centered defense that had to do only with the planters’ economic power and not with equal rights.

44 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:48:38am

re: #38 Alouette

Really? Thankfully, I didn’t vote for him. Ugh, maybe he’ll be like Scott Brown (not holding my breath).

As for the topic at hand…
Would anyone be surprised if many in the GOP showed up in white sheets? I sure as hell wouldn’t, not with all of the shit they’ve been surrounding themselves with lately. Unfortunately, those that are not bigots in the GOP/support the GOP would be tainted by them, but, you would have to be either a bigot yourself or incredibly ignorant to support them now.

45 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:48:58am

re: #42 ralphieboy

“And there are few things conservative voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement”

One thing they hate even more: being reminded that they were on the wrong side of the Civil War

STATES RIGHTS11!!ELEVENTY!1!

46 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:49:10am

re: #40 CuriousLurker

I feel bad for you, I truly do. I hope some of the conservative leaders who’ve been excommunicated can figure out how to either wrest control from the hands of the wingnuts or start a new party. And I hope they do it soon.

I feel bad for the entire country and the future of humanity. The few actual moderate GOPers, the ones that don’t believe in creationism, do believe AGW is real, and don’t believe that capitalism and low taxation is an absolute fix to all of life’s problems, are so few and far between that they are essentially a fringe group. It has flipped. There’s less of them than the Paulians.

Harry Reid actually looked good to me the other day hammering the GOP and Kyl. It’s been an interesting few years I must say.

47 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:51:51am

Israel and PA worked closely against Hamas: cable

A U.S. cable leaked on Monday said Israel and President Mahmoud Abbas’s forces worked closely together against Hamas as it took over Gaza in 2007, a potentially embarrassing revelation for the Palestinian leader.

Israel has acknowledged working with Palestinian Authority (PA) security forces loyal to the Western-backed Abbas, but the diplomatic memo leaked by WikiLeaks describes a level of cooperation that could fuel criticism of Abbas by his Islamist rivals.

The 2007 cable quoted Yuval Diskin, the head of Israel’s Shin Bet internal security service, as saying the PA security apparatus shares with Israel “almost all the intelligence that it collects.”

I can see no possible negative repurcussions from this.
///

48 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:52:37am

re: #43 jaunte

The political ruling class in the Mississippi Delta does have a history of defending its poor black labor force from the Klan-oriented populists in the rest of the state (see [Link: www.amazon.com…] for some of the history) but it was an extremely self-centered defense that had to do only with the planters’ economic power and not with equal rights.

Oh, so essentially… ‘Screw the KKK, we treats ayes n***** with rahspect!’

That’s pretty vile to even type it, and uber crass, but… say it ain’t so.

49 jaunte  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:54:38am

re: #48 BigPapa

The Delta bigwigs had a nice stable downtrodden workforce in place, and didn’t want the Klan disturbing their system, so they tried to keep them out.

50 Interesting Times  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:55:51am

re: #33 Gus 802

I’m sorry, but Weigel just begs to be godwined with that claptrap:

Dave Weigel:

Like I said, Barbour the founder of Stormfront is not dumb. If he’s being a revisionist about race Jews in Mississippi Europe, he’s not alone, and he’s fighting back against a media standard that all conservatives members of the white nationalist movement hate — this idea that Southerners and conservatives Germans can never stop atoning for Jim Crow the so-called holocaust. Why should he have to apologize for this, after all? He wasn’t in a Citizens Council Hitler youth group. With the exception of some people, like Howell Raines Israel Shamir — who covered Barbour’s 1986 Senate bid the Zionist world domination conspiracy — how many of these reporters know what they’re talking about, anyway? And there are few things conservative white nationalist voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement just about everything.

51 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:55:53am

re: #46 BigPapa

I feel bad for the entire country and the future of humanity. The few actual moderate GOPers, the ones that don’t believe in creationism, do believe AGW is real, and don’t believe that capitalism and low taxation is an absolute fix to all of life’s problems, are so few and far between that they are essentially a fringe group. It has flipped. There’s less of them than the Paulians.

Harry Reid actually looked good to me the other day hammering the GOP and Kyl. It’s been an interesting few years I must say.

I feel bad for the entire country too. And worried. These authoritarian freaks have gotten their second wind and are using a psychology of fear to manipulate their followers. It’s a cold, calculated effort that attempts to undermine our democracy, regardless of what they would have people believe.

The worst part is that their poison tentacles are everywhere. This is not conspiracy theory or hyperbole, it’s verifiable fact.

52 AlexRogan  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:56:08am

re: #48 BigPapa

Oh, so essentially… ‘Screw the KKK, we treats ayes n*** with rahspect!’

That’s pretty vile to even type it, and uber crass, but… say it ain’t so.

I could see that situation with the MS planters happening….first rule of business is to never let others screw around with your money or those who make you money.

Doesn’t make it right, though…

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:56:35am

re: #9 jamesfirecat

They’d take notice, they’d instantly start writing letters and making calls demanding to know why the government was wasting our tax money on healthcare and handouts instead of doing something to combat the extra-terrestrial menaces that are probing good honest hard working Americans…

GAY extraterrestrial menaces.

54 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:56:53am

re: #39 BigPapa

That post is just wacky fallacy-fu. I’ll leave it at that.

I won’t. Weigel posted a defense of Steve Sailer, an openly racist white supremacist and separatist. Weigel’s just turning in another day’s work, saying the same shit as RS McCain, but getting respect for it.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:57:52am

re: #15 theheat

So, are any fellow Republicans going to take him to task about this, or just give him a high five?

It’s nice to see Michael Steele has such nice manners he’d never speak out against his own when they get their racism on.
//

I just wish Michael Steele would get up, tell all of these people what-for, and lead a rebellion of sane Republicans.

I realize that this is unrealistic for a wide variety of reasons, but it would be nice to see.

56 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 10:58:52am

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

I just wish Michael Steele would get up, tell all of these people what-for, and lead a rebellion of sane Republicans.

I realize that this is unrealistic for a wide variety of reasons, but it would be nice to see.

///Chief among them is I don’t especially consider Michael Steele to be a sane republican.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:01:04am

re: #24 Amory Blaine

Seems to be a re-energized assault on the history of slavery and racism in general.

It’s a terrible pity, because the truth is, integration and the end of Jim Crow was a hugely traumatic time in American history, but the good guys won, and we did something that I’m not sure is paralleled anywhere else in the world, in terms of overcoming racism and creating a more just society.

It is a triumph, and hopefully, even those who were on the other side, for what they probably thought were good reasons, can come to see that, forty-odd years later, and celebrate it.

Why should Americans sweep such a great American victory under the rug and pretend it was just a big misunderstanding?

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:01:10am

re: #54 wrenchwench

I won’t. Weigel posted a defense of Steve Sailer, an openly racist white supremacist and separatist. Weigel’s just turning in another day’s work, saying the same shit as RS McCain, but getting respect for it.

I used to think Weigel just wrote crap like that in order to keep his lines of communication open to these freaks, but I no longer believe that. It’s clear that he has some kind of sympathy for their views.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:01:57am

re: #29 kingkenrod

Even without the racism this stinks. Who praises a form of government where town leaders can make you lose your job or “get your ass run out of town”? Who wants a president that approves of that?

That’s what they mean when they talk about old-fashioned community values.

Of course, they don’t mean MY godless community.

60 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:02:06am

I’ve gotta get back to work. BBL

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:02:17am

re: #31 BigPapa

That’s me you’re speaking of and I can’t stand with them any longer because, as you say, the moderate charade has come off. Maybe I’m not conservative any more, who knows.

YOU are conservative. THEY are radical. Get it clear, dude!

62 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:04:40am

If you look at this as the re-emergence of something that never went away, but was for a short time hidden, all of this makes sense and is expected.

The GOP isn’t doing anything other than acting out the desires of a large number of Americans. The GOP hasn’t gone crazy, it’s gone traditional. The left did work hard to break down “traditional american values”, it’s just that the values it was working so hard to break down needed to die.

These people won’t stop until they have unmade the enlightenment. Liberal is a dirty word, and God has taken center stage again. Who needs rationale and reason when you have a strong cultural identity? Who needs rule of law when you have divine authority on your side?

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:07:27am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

If you look at this as the re-emergence of something that never went away, but was for a short time hidden, all of this makes sense and is expected.

The GOP isn’t doing anything other than acting out the desires of a large number of Americans. The GOP hasn’t gone crazy, it’s gone traditional. The left did work hard to break down “traditional american values”, it’s just that the values it was working so hard to break down needed to die.

These people won’t stop until they have unmade the enlightenment. Liberal is a dirty word, and God has taken center stage again. Who needs rationale and reason when you have a strong cultural identity? Who needs rule of law when you have divine authority on your side?

Who needs science when you have faith?

64 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:07:28am

re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist

YOU are conservative. THEY are radical. Get it clear, dude!

The Few, The Pround, The Non Wacko/fundamentalist/anti-science/capitalismfixeseverything/xenophobicbigot Conservatives.

It does roll off the keyboard and tongue, doesn’t it?

I just have to create a grassroots effort to organize all 27 of us across this great nation.

65 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:09:31am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

5 years ago I would have rejected your statement outright. Now it rings true.

66 albusteve  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:12:50am

I wonder what their uniforms will look like…throwback style?

67 albusteve  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:14:08am

LT General Barbour
First Mississippi Volunteers
nice ring to it

68 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:14:13am

Had to respond to Weigel’s post.

A weird post from Dave Weigel, defending Barbour: Haley Barbour and the Citizens Councils.

Barbour is not dumb. If he’s being a revisionist about race in Mississippi, he’s not alone, and he’s fighting back against a media standard that all conservatives hate — this idea that Southerners and conservatives can never stop atoning for Jim Crow. Why should he have to apologize for this, after all? He wasn’t in a Citizens Council.

Barbour was speaking to a writer for the Weekly Standard, hardly the kind of person who would ask him to “atone for Jim Crow.” And in fact, Barbour wasn’t even asked about the Citizens’ Councils; he volunteered his defense of one of the most overtly racist organizations that has ever existed in the United States, all on his own.

With the exception of some people, like Howell Raines — who covered Barbour’s 1986 Senate bid — how many of these reporters know what they’re talking about, anyway?

Again, he was talking to the Weekly Standard, not The Nation.

And there are few things conservative voters hate more than being told they were on the wrong side of the Civil Rights movement.

They could have avoided being “told” they were on the wrong side of the civil rights movement by not being on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:19:14am

re: #68 Charles

Had to respond to Weigel’s post.

A weird post from Dave Weigel, defending Barbour: Haley Barbour and the Citizens Councils.

Barbour was speaking to a writer for the Weekly Standard, hardly the kind of person who would ask him to “atone for Jim Crow.” And in fact, Barbour wasn’t even asked about the Citizens’ Councils; he volunteered his defense of one of the most overtly racist organizations that has ever existed in the United States, all on his own.

Again, he was talking to the Weekly Standard, not The Nation.

They could have avoided being “told” they were on the wrong side of the civil rights movement by not being on the wrong side of the civil rights movement.

It is mysterious, though, that he or they would feel defensive. Republicans tell me all the time about how Jim Crow was all the Democrat’s fault, so why doesn’t Barbour want to step forward and spotlight one of his party’s greatest moments?

No sarc, but a bit of a pointed question, if I may.

70 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:20:55am

This is a centuries-old schism between a cosmology based on divine authority and one based on natural laws.

This isn’t about political parties. It’s about religion. It’s about fundamental ideas about how the world works. Either every effect has a physical cause or causes, or this is all the will of God. You really can’t have it both ways.

I have never bought the fiction that religion and science are compatible. They aren’t, and never have been. The best we have yet achieved is an uneasy balance between areas of knowledge that fall under one domain, and areas that fall under the other. It isn’t working, because people that believe in a GOD will never accept that there is are types of knowledge which religious fervor can not touch.

If you believe in magic, or people rising from the dead, or prophets, you are much more likely to believe things that conflict with available evidence, because you have trained yourself to believe that the world is lying to you, in order to suppress cognitive dissonance. It is not a coincidence that the political party that is vastly more religious is also the one that contains people who are far more likely to believe insane theories.

I realize this isn’t a popular sentiment, and people will think I am attacking them, but i’m not. This is the elephant in the room, and everybody avoids talking about it because they have fooled themselves into thinking that the endless struggles between rule of men and rule of law are somehow resolved. We do not live in exceptional times, we only have exceptional technology.

We aren’t any smarter than we were 10,000 years ago, as a species.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:21:02am

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

It is mysterious, though, that he or they would feel defensive. Republicans tell me all the time about how Jim Crow was all the Democrats’ fault, so why doesn’t Barbour want to step forward and spotlight one of his party’s greatest moments?

No sarc, but a bit of a pointed question, if I may.

PIMF. More than one Democrat was responsible.

/

72 jaunte  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:21:14am

Some other things the Mississippi business community wouldn’t stand for:

…this report examines the long history of white opposition to education for African Americans, including the white power elites’ willingness to sacrifice educational opportunity for white Mississippians to maintain African American segregation and subordination. It also examines the economic context of education and its relationship to maintaining a low-wage labor pool.[Link: www.centerforsocialinclusion.org…]
73 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:21:48am

Hey all,

I will say that I’ve been shocked at the differences in people who give themselves the same label. Friends at my dining room table. One from the South began telling jokes that absolutely embarrassed me. The rest of us, from the North, either were silent or tried to put things in perspective.

Living in a major metropolitan area gives one a different (and I think more correct) perspective.

Everyone brings their own interpretations to ideas, labels don’t work.

74 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:23:03am

OT From the assholes at Citizens United I bring you the latest in DADT homophobia and fear mongering.

If you have a Youtube account give it a thumbs down,

75 albusteve  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:23:29am

re: #72 jaunte

Some other things the Mississippi business community wouldn’t stand for:

low wage labor pool….nothing’s changed

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:24:21am

re: #70 Fozzie Bear

This is a centuries-old schism between a cosmology based on divine authority and one based on natural laws.

This isn’t about political parties. It’s about religion. It’s about fundamental ideas about how the world works. Either every effect has a physical cause or causes, or this is all the will of God. You really can’t have it both ways.

I have never bought the fiction that religion and science are compatible. They aren’t, and never have been. The best we have yet achieved is an uneasy balance between areas of knowledge that fall under one domain, and areas that fall under the other. It isn’t working, because people that believe in a GOD will never accept that there is are types of knowledge which religious fervor can not touch.

If you believe in magic, or people rising from the dead, or prophets, you are much more likely to believe things that conflict with available evidence, because you have trained yourself to believe that the world is lying to you, in order to suppress cognitive dissonance. It is not a coincidence that the political party that is vastly more religious is also the one that contains people who are far more likely to believe insane theories.

I realize this isn’t a popular sentiment, and people will think I am attacking them, but i’m not. This is the elephant in the room, and everybody avoids talking about it because they have fooled themselves into thinking that the endless struggles between rule of men and rule of law are somehow resolved. We do not live in exceptional times, we only have exceptional technology.

We aren’t any smarter than we were 10,000 years ago, as a species.

I think you are on to something, but I will say that I do not think it’s that faith and science cannot coexist, but that certain interpretations of faith have convinced themselves that science is dangerous to them, as they associate it with other things they also reject.

(Like the Enlightenment, she mutters.) It’s a rejection of the modern world. Sort of. These folks are not going off to be Amish, they want to live in the world that science and the Enlightenment have made, but they also want to be able to impose their own theocratic social order on it. This won’t work, but they don’t care.

I dunno. I manage to be religious and to approve thoroughly of science. I don’t feel attacked, I just wonder where I fit into this theory.

77 APox  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:25:35am

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

PIMF. More than one Democrat was responsible.

/

That’s a stupid talking point they make though. The parties switched names and values. Democrats back then were the conservatives, and republicans were the liberals.

So perhaps in name democrats were responsible, but their views were definitely in line with today’s republican party.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:26:38am

re: #77 APox

That’s a stupid talking point they make though. The parties switched names and values. Democrats back then were the conservatives, and republicans were the liberals.

So perhaps in name democrats were responsible, but their views were definitely in line with today’s republican party.

I guess that’s part of my point—this defensiveness seems rather telling.

79 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:28:13am

This dude’s the reason why when Tennessee gets criticized for some past or present example of bigotry my mom gets all prickly and says “Well, we’re not Mississippi!” Not totally fair or accurate, well except that Tennesse literally is not Mississippi. But you can see why she says it.

80 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:28:32am

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

It is mysterious, though, that he or they would feel defensive. Republicans tell me all the time about how Jim Crow was all the Democrat’s fault, so why doesn’t Barbour want to step forward and spotlight one of his party’s greatest moments?

No sarc, but a bit of a pointed question, if I may.

It’s ironic, almost Nixonian ‘cover up worse than the crime.’ The Jim Crow era didn’t seem exceptionally GOP or Dem, however moving past it the GOP has had some serious issues.

The Democratic party embraced the transition and has owned it and the GOP has begrudgingly been dragged along kicking and screaming. Now, it seems to want to rewrite history.

81 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:29:11am

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Faith itself, or a tendency toward belief without evidence or proof is the problem. Willing yourself to believe things is a skill, and one you can get very good at. It also tends to make people less reasonable, as they get better and better at rejecting what is right in front of them.

I just don’t think people realize that their Gods are not helping them, they aren’t real. All they do is divide them and make them crazy, because they WANT to never die.

That’s the crux of it, as I see it. Self aware creatures have HUGE problems with the understanding that they will one day cease to exist, and will never again exist. Death isn’t something we are equipped to handle, psychologically, and so we willingly go insane to deal with it.

Once you’ve taken that leap, it gets easier and easier to discard reason.

82 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:29:11am

re: #70 Fozzie Bear

I think it is a conflict between metaphysics and (what ever branch of philosophy deals with) physical reality.

I tend to interpret things from a metaphysical point-of-view and then try to figure out what that same interpretation would be from a physical reality point-of-view.

I guess a theologian would say that would be a “laws of god” and “laws of man” type of thing. I think I would say “laws of nature” and “Laws of civilization”.

Anyway, not everyone can see the difference. Especially those that need a strict religion to make their world work.

Kinda like interpreting Chinese writing with their 3 levels of meaning.

83 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:31:21am

I challenge anyone to name a religion for which the problem of what happens to consciousness after death isn’t a central and pivotal part of the belief system. Just one.

There isn’t such a religion, because that’s the prime motivator behind it, the reason religion exists.

84 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:31:27am

re: #68 Charles

Had to respond to Weigel’s post.

So did wrenchwench. In no way was I trying to downplay it or minimize it, I just thought it was junk not worth responding to.

I’ve seen his name before but thought he was a hack. If he is of any reputable reputation hammer him.

85 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:39:10am

RAWR MILITANT ATHEIST KILLS THREAD!!!!!

Merry Christmas everybody. I still have a tree, and lights, and we still give presents. Sorry for killing the thread.

Signed,
Buzz Killington

86 APox  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:39:21am

re: #83 Fozzie Bear

I challenge anyone to name a religion for which the problem of what happens to consciousness after death isn’t a central and pivotal part of the belief system. Just one.

There isn’t such a religion, because that’s the prime motivator behind it, the reason religion exists.

I don’t think that makes some religions any less valuable though. Buddhism definitely has an after-life theory, but they have no god to follow. They are focused on easing human suffering through philosophy and thought instead of following some god in blind faith. I’d say the overall value of that specific religion adds to the betterment of humanity, IMO.

To me that’s what it is all about. One could argue about the overall value of some other religions, though.

87 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:39:35am

re: #81 Fozzie Bear

That’s the crux of it, as I see it. Self aware creatures have HUGE problems with the understanding that they will one day cease to exist, and will never again exist. Death isn’t something we are equipped to handle, psychologically, and so we willingly go insane to deal with it.

I’ve found this true. My father recently died, refused cancer treatment at age 84 and donated his body to science and didn’t want a funeral or wake. He just didn’t see any reason to spend the money. I was man of faith, but not religion. Had purposely read different versions of the Bible cover-to-cover. He was an engineer, by trade. He researched and made his own conclusions.

There were some people who absolutely came unhinged when they found out we weren’t going to do any of the tradtional stuff. I replied that I could spend his money on something he very vocally did not want. “God is only concerned with how my father lived, not whether he has a funeral or not,” was my basic reply.

The Hospice people (who BTW, were WONDERFUL) actually told us we had a great attitude, what they go thru with some families is a nightmare.

Part of LIFE is Death. I consider it a priviledge that I was able to be with my father and arrange the best care I could for him.

Living forever is something I see more metaphysically. I will live thru my off-spring and their off-spring, any of the work I’ve done that survives or is changed by others and then changed by still others …

88 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:42:42am

re: #84 BigPapa

So did wrenchwench.

Oh, but Charles did it so much better…

In no way was I trying to downplay it or minimize it, I just thought it was junk not worth responding to.

I’ve seen his name before but thought he was a hack. If he is of any reputable reputation hammer him.

Your analysis is pretty close. The fact that Slate publishes him does not lift him from the “junk” category in my mind.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:48:19am

If the Ku Klux Klan had been their primary defender, segregation and Jim Crow would have collapsed a good 30 years before they did. The modern Klan, founded in 1915, reached an unheard of level of power in the mid-20s, with several million dues-paying members. It almost disappeared completely after a series of scandals in the late 20s and was formally dissolved in 1946.

After that, there were basically any number of ad hoc Klan groups who drew their strength, such as it was, from disaffected lower class whites. They carried out bombings and assassinations, burned crosses, and created good copy for northern journalists, but their real power was almost nil.
The most important defenders of segregation by far were upper and middle-class networks like the Citizens Councils and the Sovereignty Commission in Mississippi, and similar groups in other states. The Klan took the heat, and deservedly so in most cases, but the most influential culprits worked behind the scenes and largely escaped responsibility for it.

90 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:49:16am

re: #87 ggt

Part of LIFE is Death. I consider it a priviledge that I was able to be with my father and arrange the best care I could for him.

Living forever is something I see more metaphysically. I will live thru my off-spring and their off-spring, any of the work I’ve done that survives or is changed by others and then changed by still others …

This is how I think, long term, the message of secularism gets sold. The way we live forever is by ensuring a future for our our families in particular, our species, and life in general. That’s our duty, and it matters above all else. It doesn’t matter because God wants it, or because there is such a thing as right or wrong, it matters because it matters because it matters. We are here, and we want to continue to be here.

The sun doesn’t care, the planet doesn’t care, the stars don’t care, and there isn’t a God to care. We care, because we are capable of caring, and that’s what makes life what it is. That’s what makes it inspire awe. That’s what makes life itself worthy of worship.

I find the idea that I am a little slice of the universe, experiencing the rest of the universe through the lens of my being, and that this is happening all over this planet trillions of times over, inspires more awe than anything I have ever seen from a religion. The universe can sprout little eyes, and look back inside itself. And those little eyes are us.

How can a God be cooler than that?

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:49:17am

re: #83 Fozzie Bear

I challenge anyone to name a religion for which the problem of what happens to consciousness after death isn’t a central and pivotal part of the belief system. Just one.

There isn’t such a religion, because that’s the prime motivator behind it, the reason religion exists.

To know what is beyond ourselves? OK.

92 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:50:40am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel

Where I live (Chicago area), there is so many multi-racial children, that the idea of segregation seems hilariously archaic.

93 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:52:34am

re: #90 Fozzie Bear

My idea of God includes all you said. None of us has to “buy” anyone else’s concept of God. There is something that will never be explained except by the human heart, I call that God.

94 garhighway  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:53:35am

I recall that in the second HBO Katrina documentary (the one this year) they had a clip of Barbour comparing the good (white) people of Mississippi to the (lazy shiftless black) people of Louisiana, and he just drips racism. It’s creepy. I wish I could find it.

95 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:56:51am

re: #93 ggt

My idea of God includes all you said. None of us has to “buy” anyone else’s concept of God. There is something that will never be explained except by the human heart, I call that God.

OK, I have to include the hearts of dogs as well.

96 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:57:14am

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

To know what is beyond ourselves? OK.

I guess just knowing that we don’t know, and can’t know, is hard for most people.

97 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:58:38am

re: #96 Fozzie Bear

I guess just knowing that we don’t know, and can’t know, is hard for most people.

Carl Jung wrote something about “different levels of understanding”. It is not that it is just “hard” for some people, it is impossible. Thus the branch of philosophy called “rhetoric”. HA!

98 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:59:17am

re: #95 ggt

OK, I have to include the hearts of dogs as well.

Its hard to look at a higher mammal, or even just a vertebrate, and not see a little bit of ourselves looking back at us.

My wife has a huge goldfish named jaws, and talks to him like he’s a baby. It’s the big round eyes looking back at her. It’s recognition of a distant cousin, I think.

99 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:59:50am

re: #90 Fozzie Bear

This is how I think, long term, the message of secularism gets sold. The way we live forever is by ensuring a future for our our families in particular, our species, and life in general. That’s our duty, and it matters above all else. It doesn’t matter because God wants it, or because there is such a thing as right or wrong, it matters because it matters because it matters. We are here, and we want to continue to be here.

The sun doesn’t care, the planet doesn’t care, the stars don’t care, and there isn’t a God to care. We care, because we are capable of caring, and that’s what makes life what it is. That’s what makes it inspire awe. That’s what makes life itself worthy of worship.

I find the idea that I am a little slice of the universe, experiencing the rest of the universe through the lens of my being, and that this is happening all over this planet trillions of times over, inspires more awe than anything I have ever seen from a religion. The universe can sprout little eyes, and look back inside itself. And those little eyes are us.

How can a God be cooler than that?

Well put Fozzie.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:03:22pm

re: #96 Fozzie Bear

I guess just knowing that we don’t know, and can’t know, is hard for most people.

Exasperating beyond belief. We are the species that takes things apart to see how they work!

101 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:03:26pm

Council of Conservative Citizens To Boycott “Thor” Over Casting of Black Actor

This is a picture of current Family Research Council president Tony Perkins speaking to the racist Council of Conservative Citizens in 2001.

Perkins claims not to remember speaking to the group and that he didn’t know of their racist views, which is a little hard to believe since the Council of Conservative Citizens is notorious for doing things like declaring their outrage that the forthcoming “Thor” movie will feature a black actor:

Norse mythology gets multi-cultural remake in upcoming movie titled “Thor,” Marvel studios. It’s not enough that Marvel attacks conservatives values, now mythological Gods must be re-invented with black skin.

It seems that Marvel Studios believes that white people should have nothing that is unique to themselves. An upcoming movie, based on the comic book Thor, will give the Aesir an insulting multi-cultural make-over. One of the Gods will be played by Hip Hop DJ Elba.

More…

102 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:04:54pm

re: #101 Gus 802

Council of Conservative Citizens To Boycott “Thor” Over Casting of Black Actor

Oh, it’s THOSE nuts.

So, it’s a ‘conservative value’ to believe that the Aesir are white, now? And cannot be portrayed by black actors?

OY.

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:05:10pm

re: #90 Fozzie Bear

The universe can sprout little eyes, and look back inside itself. And those little eyes are us.


*screams, dives out window*

104 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:06:51pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

My friends who consider themselves would be appalled.

The whole label thing is not worth a rant.

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:08:33pm

re: #101 Gus 802

hilarious :D

What’s next, are they going to boycott the new Nick Fury?

“The Council of Concerned Citizens is even MORE concerned to learn that Jubilee of the X-Men was a godless Chinese. When will these insidious liberal comic book creators learn that Americans demand only white supernatural fireball hurling genetic freaks in latex catsuits?”

106 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:08:45pm

re: #104 ggt

My friends who consider themselves would be appalled.

The whole label thing is not worth a rant.

Consider themselves what? Asatru? Conservative? White? Aesir?

107 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:09:16pm

They just consider themselves…

108 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:09:49pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, it’s THOSE nuts.

So, it’s a ‘conservative value’ to believe that the Aesir are white, now? And cannot be portrayed by black actors?

OY.

Oh, those knuckleheads.

109 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:10:24pm

re: #102 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, it’s THOSE nuts.

So, it’s a ‘conservative value’ to believe that the Aesir are white, now? And cannot be portrayed by black actors?

OY.

Right. Nice touch with adding Tony Perkins to the story. Yeah, they’re not hate group all right. What a crock.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:10:33pm

Interestingly, there is some evidence that a few black men made it to Viking Scandinavia, and PLENTY that Vikings made it at least into North Africa. These people did not live in an all-white world, which is the fantasy that’s being pushed here, although I’m sure the Norse visualized their gods as looking like themselves.

111 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:12:00pm
It’s well known that Marvel is a company that advocates for left-wing ideologies and causes. Marvel front man Stan “Lee” Lieber boasts of being a major financier of left-wing political candidates. Marvel has viciously attacked the TEA Party movement, conservatives, and European heritage. Now they have taken it one further, casting a black man as a Norse deity in their new movie Thor. Marvel has now inserted social engineering into European mythology.

Why else could they be so upset at Stan Lee? thinking…

112 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:13:03pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

LOL, Friends who consider themselves Conservative.

Yes, PIMF.

113 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:15:07pm

We poor white people, we are so oppressed, we have nothing that is exclusively ours any more, oh boo hoo. We are a dying breed!

Hey there you whiny little shits, some white folks like me are making sure there will be nothing but a bunch of brown people in the future by having kids with those nasty brown folks. Fuck ya!

114 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:16:42pm

re: #113 b_sharp

Woe is us! We are trapped in an endless cycle of wealth and prosperity!

115 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:21:10pm

re: #113 b_sharp

“We poor white people, we are so oppressed, we have nothing that is exclusively ours any more, oh boo hoo. We are a dying breed!”

Then use some of the taxes I am forced to pay and get your ass in school instead of using it for potato chips and coke. Make lots of money for yourselves and have lots of children you whose college education you can pay for and teach them to vote. If you don’t like the system, stop bitching and work to change it.

/rant off

116 MinisterO  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:21:22pm

Next up for conservative rehabilitation: Ebeneezer Scrooge. He was right about everything.

“What reason have you to be merry? You’re poor enough.”

117 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:23:14pm

re: #114 Fozzie Bear

Woe is us! We are trapped in an endless cycle of wealth and prosperity!

But, but, our privileged position is being eroded. First is was the women, then the blacks, then the poor, now even the gays are catching up. Whatever are we to do?

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:24:11pm

re: #117 b_sharp

But, but, our privileged position is being eroded. First is was the women, then the blacks, then the poor, now even the gays are catching up. Whatever are we to do?

The senate is practically a rainbow of diversity!

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:24:46pm

re: #115 ggt

“We poor white people, we are so oppressed, we have nothing that is exclusively ours any more, oh boo hoo. We are a dying breed!”

Then use some of the taxes I am forced to pay and get your ass in school instead of using it for potato chips and coke. Make lots of money for yourselves and have lots of children you whose college education you can pay for and teach them to vote. If you don’t like the system, stop bitching and work to change it.

/rant off

This may just be my evil Jewish perspective here, but I have this idea that white people in America are doing OK still.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:27:15pm

re: #117 b_sharp

But, but, our privileged position is being eroded. First is was the women, then the blacks, then the poor, now even the gays are catching up. Whatever are we to do?

A key issue here—part of the psychological underpinnings of Jim Crow and segregation was that you might be poor, ignorant, economically oppressed, and generally hopeless, but if you were white, at least you were better than people who weren’t.

Increasingly, that is not a sop that can be thrown to poor whites any more. Behind all this ‘can’t white people have anything for themselves’ rhetoric, I hear an echo of ‘What the hell are we gonna use to keep them placid and voting for us NOW?’

121 b_sharp  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:27:39pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

This may just be my evil Jewish perspective here, but I have this idea that white people in America are doing OK still.

It’s not about being worse off, it’s about being as bad. According to some, elevating the down trodden is equivalent to lowering the privileged.

122 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:29:37pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

The last time I looked at the numbers, the majority of welfare recipients were white —it’s a numbers game. Not by percentage, but overall.

I HAVE TO get off-line and get my kids from school.

Have a great day all!

123 whitebeach  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:35:06pm

I grew up with this stuff. My dad was a member of the White Citizens Council (as it was called then) in one of the most racist and conservative cities in the entire South. The Council existed for two purposes only: to perpetuate segregation and white supremacy, and to make these things more “respectable” than the white trash who, by that time, constituted most of the membership of the Klan.

This was in the era of the civil rights struggles. Back in the 1920s, for comparison’s sake, even the mayor was a Klan member. But times had changed.

Haley Barbour is a liar. The Citizens Councils were not opposed in any way to the objectives of the KKK, only to the public relations problem that organization presented.


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Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT
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