Barbour Spokesman on White Citizens’ Councils: ‘That Doesn’t Sound Like a Racist to Me’

TPM writer Eric Kleefeld spoke with Gov. Haley Barbour’s official spokesman, Dan Turner, about Barbour’s statements in the Weekly Standard praising the segregationist “Citizens’ Councils.” To recap, here’s the quote from the interview:

“You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK,” said Barbour. “Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.”

Dan Turner, following a tried and true right wing strategy for responding to these kinds of incidents, went on the attack — and denied that the Citizens’ Councils were racist organizations: Barbour Spokesman: Mississippi Gov. Is Not Racist.

After being pressed further on whether Barbour’s comments about the Citizens Councils were accurate, Turner said: “I’m aware of what the governor said in this interview. I’m not gonna get into the business of trying to twist what the governor said, or to manipulate it.”

What does he mean by manipulate it, I asked?

“Your questions are very angular, let’s say that,” said Turner. “You have a very specific point that you’re trying to drive at, and you’re trying to paint the governor as a racist. And nothing could be further from the truth.”

I then responded that I was not asking about whether Barbour is a racist, but was asking about whether it is true or not that the group he praised was a racist organization?

“It was an organization in Yazoo City that was, you know, a group of the town leaders and business people,” Turner responded, then referring back to Barbour’s comment. “And they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. And that doesn’t sound like a racist to me. Does it to you?”

Turner made it a lot worse with this statement. It’s a trivial matter to show that the Citizens’ Councils were repellent white supremacist organizations, and their current incarnation, the Council of Conservative Citizens, is every bit as bad — if no longer as powerful.

And I don’t believe Turner doesn’t know this. How could he not know? It’s as if they just can’t help themselves.

The White Citizens’ Councils usually refrained from terrorizing and murdering black people like the Klan did, because they were businessmen. A permanent underclass of low-cost, low-maintenance servants and manual laborers was very valuable to them. So instead of killing African Americans, they just denied them education and opportunities.

Unless, of course, they happened to be wearing their Klan robes — because, contrary to Barbour’s whitewashed narrative, there was a lot of crossover between the CC and the KKK.

African Americans who were seen as being too supportive of desegregation, voting rights, or other perceived threats to whites’ supremacy found themselves and their family members unemployed in many instances; whites who supported civil rights for African Americans were not immune from finding this happening to them as well. Members of the Citizens’ Council were sometimes Klansmen, and the more influential the Citizens’ Council member, the more influence he had with the Klan. In fact, the WCC was even referred to during the civil rights era as “an uptown Klan,” “a white collar Klan,” “a button-down Klan,” and “a country club Klan.” The rationale for these nicknames was that it appeared that sheets and hoods had been discarded and replaced by suits and ties. Much like the Klan, WCC members held documented white supremacist views and involved themselves in racist activities. They more often held leadership in civic and political organizations, however, which enabled them to legitimize discriminatory practices aimed at non-whites.

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1 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:11:52pm

Oh, noez! Angular questions! Angular questions paint racist!

Don't quote him! That's not fair! Long article! Context! The North too!

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:14:14pm

Turner made it a lot worse with this statement. It's a trivial matter to show that the Citizens' Councils were repellent white supremacist organizations.

And I don't believe Turner doesn't know this. How could he not know?

It's like they just can't help themselves.

3 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:14:59pm

Banning the Klan doesn't sound racist.

The fact they used the same tactics to attack blacks and people who signed petitions to desegregate their schools sure as hell does though.

4 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:16:38pm

So can we blame all this on Bill Buckley's death? This blatant, sickening stuff seems to have really come to the light since then.

(Picutures all these seething racists stuffed into a closet just praying for the time when they can "come out")

5 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:17:17pm

They must think people are stupid. Citizen's Council used to be called the White Citizen's Council. They were segregationists. Full stop.

6 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:18:03pm

re: #4 ggt

So can we blame all this on Bill Buckley's death? This blatant, sickening stuff seems to have really come to the light since then.

(Picutures all these seething racists stuffed into a closet just praying for the time when they can "come out")

Bill Buckley? Try January 20, 2008.

7 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:18:38pm

It's not at all coincidental the the Weekly Standard is the go-to journal of movement conservatism, lest anyone forget that the right never left the trenches of the civil rights movement.

8 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:19:12pm

re: #5 Gus 802

They must think people are stupid

often they would be correct

9 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:19:30pm

re: #4 ggt

Buckley was the lid on the boiling pot. Not even he could have kept it from frothing over forever.

10 Neutral President  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:20:02pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

Bill Buckley? Try January 20, 2008 2009.

FTFY

11 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:20:26pm

"Facts are stubborn things"

John Adams

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:20:37pm

re: #7 Fozzie Bear

It's not at all coincidental the the Weekly Standard is the go-to journal of movement conservatism, lest anyone forget that the right never left the trenches of the civil rights movement.

What the hell do they think they are accomplishing with this rubbish?

13 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:20:48pm

History and Culture of the Lower Mississippi Delta

The Ku Klux Klan (KKK), which was founded by former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forest in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866, and other similar groups, such as the Knights of the White Camelia and the Boys of 76, roamed the countryside, hooded or otherwise, terrorizing African-Americans and their supporters in the name of white supremacy. Over succeeding decades, the KKK underwent sporadic surges of popularity, as during the 1920s when the organization added anti-immigrant and anti-Semitism to its litany of hate. In 1954, the KKK re-emerged more determined than ever to stop integration, following the Supreme Court’s landmark Brown decision, which also spurred the formation of White Citizen Councils throughout the South. The first meeting of a White Citizens Council, whose members considered themselves to be more respectable than those of the KKK but who were just as adamantly opposed to integration, occurred in Indianola, Mississippi in July. 1954. Byron De La Beckwith, who assassinated civil rights leader Medger Evers in Jackson, Mississippi in June, 1963 was a member of both the KKK and a White Citizens Council (Stewart 1996; Carson; 1991; Trelease 1991).

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:20:59pm

re: #11 EmmmieG

"Facts are stubborn things"

John Adams

I believe Reagan amended that to 'stupid things'.

15 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:21:02pm

Notice the logo.

"States Rights - Racial Integrity."

Never forget where the states rights movement started. And then consider the constitutional amendment that the right is now pushin.

16 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:21:59pm

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

What the hell do they think they are accomplishing with this rubbish?

They think it's time, and that the country is finally ready for them to take the mask off again. They were always this nuts, they just kept it thinly veiled.

17 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:22:11pm

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

Notice the logo.

"States Rights - Racial Integrity."

Never forget where the states rights movement started. And then consider the constitutional amendment that the right is now pushin.

State rights only count when they go our way.
/

18 jamesfirecat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:22:48pm

Clearly this is yet another application of the modern day GOP's strategy that says, when in a hole, keep digging till you hit oil....

19 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:23:03pm

re: #10 ArchangelMichael

FTFY

My bad. I got excited :>

20 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:23:22pm

Haley Barbour

2003 campaign
Main article: Mississippi gubernatorial election, 2003

After two decades in Washington, D.C., Barbour announced in 2003 his intention to run for governor of Mississippi. On August 5, 2003, he won the Republican gubernatorial primary over Canton trial attorney Mitch Tyner. Barbour's campaign manager was his nephew Henry Barbour.

During the campaign a controversy arose when Barbour chose to speak at the Blackhawk Rally, a fundraiser for the Blackhawk "council school" in Blackhawk, Mississippi. Such "council schools", also referred to in Mississippi lexicon as "academies", were established by the White Citizens' Council movement in reaction to the demands for racial integration by the American Civil Rights movement. The Blackhawk rally was hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC). A photograph of Barbour with CCC members appeared on the CCC webpage, and some commentators and pundits demanded that Barbour ask for his picture to be removed from the site, but Barbour refused. [6] Barbour stated that "Once you start down the slippery slope of saying,'That person can't be for me,' then where do you stop?... I don't care who has my picture. My picture's in the public domain." Barbour's Democratic opponent, Governor Musgrove, declined to be critical, stating that he had also attended Blackhawk rallies in the past, and would have done so that year except for a scheduling conflict.[13] Historically, both Democrats and Republicans have participated in Blackhawk.

Barbour defeated incumbent Democrat Ronnie Musgrove in the general election on November 4, 2003, with 53 percent of the vote to Musgrove's 46 percent. Barbour became just the second Republican governor elected in Mississippi since Reconstruction, the first being Kirk Fordice.[14]

21 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:24:51pm

re: #15 Fozzie Bear

That sucks. I believe that States Rights are an necessary layer in our "separation of powers" concept.

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:25:37pm

I HAVE TO get off-line and get my kids from school.

Have a great day all!

23 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:26:11pm

re: #13 Gus 802

History and Culture of the Lower Mississippi Delta

You know, Eric Kleefeld really should have had that handy. I'm not being snarky. He should have shoved it in his face actually.

24 jaunte  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:27:18pm
It was an organization in Yazoo City that was, you know, a group of the town leaders and business people,” Turner responded, then referring back to Barbour’s comment. “And they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. And that doesn’t sound like a racist to me. Does it to you?”


"We ran the Klan out because they threatened to mess with our cultivatin' equipment. How is that racist?"

25 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:31:25pm

Why Haley Barbour whitewashes history

Here's how the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette explained the history of the Councils in 1996:


The Delta was home to the Citizens Councils, a name familiar to Southerners who lived through the turbulent 1950s and '60s. The first Citizens Council was organized by ardent segregationists at Indianola during the summer of 1954. By the next year, there were 60,000 members in Mississippi. The councils claimed to oppose violence, but their goal was to prevent black inroads during those nascent days of the civil rights movement and to protect what members characterized as the "Southern way of life." In Mississippi, the state's most powerful farmers, bankers and businessmen were members.

"It was a coterie that could apply frightful pressure on dissenters, whether white or black, in the enclosed, isolated Mississippi society," [Neil] Peirce wrote in 1974. "... By their very presence and rhetoric, the councils created a climate in which racial murder could be tolerated still longer in Mississippi."

The councils enjoyed the support of Democratic Sen. James Eastland and, to a lesser extent, Democratic Sen. John Stennis. The councils also had friends in the governor's mansion. Democrat Ross Barnett won the governor's race in 1959 using a campaign song that said in part: "He's for segregation 100 percent. He's not a moderate like some other gent."

26 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:31:54pm

From the Commentary article linked to by Kleefeld:

It has been difficult to criticize the WCC [White Citizens' Council]
openly, and opponents of the movement
have contented themselves with attacking not
what the Councils are, but what they might
become. "When they first started," Grover
Hall, editor of the Montgomery Advertiser,
wrote, "we called them manicured Ku Kluxers.
But we had to back down. I don't think
they are anything like that and I hope they
won't become anything like that." Because
of its pretension to respectability, the WCC
has had to bow to and swallow criticism
of acts of violence committed by its adherents.
When four members of the North
Alabama Citizens Council assaulted Negro
singer Nat (King) Cole
in Birmingham
they drew maximum penalties, and got little
sympathy from editors or private citizens.
27 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:32:01pm

re: #2 Charles

Turner made it a lot worse with this statement. It's a trivial matter to show that the Citizens' Councils were repellent white supremacist organizations.

And I don't believe Turner doesn't know this. How could he not know?

It's like they just can't help themselves.

From my experience, and admittedly it is anecdotal, there are a fair number of people who simply cannot recognize when something is obviously racist. Their brain circuitry just doesn't have that function built in.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:32:19pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

State rights only count when they go our way.
/

When states' rights is in your favor, argue states' rights.

When Federal control is in your favor, argue Federal control.

When neither states' rights nor Federal control is in your favor, pound the table and scream that you're being oppressed by multicultural social engineering elitists.

29 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:32:50pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

When states' rights is in your favor, argue states' rights.

When Federal control is in your favor, argue Federal control.

When neither states' rights nor Federal control is in your favor, pound the table and scream that you're being oppressed by multicultural social engineering elitists.

MULTICULTI!!!111

lol

30 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:32:51pm

Emmett Louis Till - Federal Bureau of Investigation - FOIA...

The Citizens’ Council - On July ll, I954, the Indianola Citizens’ Council was formed to promote segregation. The lndianola Citizens‘ Council's plan for organization served as a model and soon other similar segregationist groups were formed throughout Mississippi.

On October 12, 1954, the Association of Citizens‘ Councils of Mississippi (ACCM) was formed. ACCM headquarters were initially located in Winona, Mississippi, then in l955'rnoved to Greenwood, Mississippi. The ACCM Annual Report: August 1955 states the organization had 60,000 members in 253 Councils throughout Mississippi. 27 The Councils openly promoted the cause of segregation through legal means and did not officially advocate violence. However, at least one Council flyer of the time reflects the organizatiorfs use of intimidation and the fact the threat of violence was sanctioned. _ The Councils attempted to have an effect on the Till matter. During Hugh Steven Whjtaker’s research in 1963, he interviewed thejurors who rendered the acquittal of Bryant and Milam in Till’s death and learned that every juror had been visited by members of the Council to make sure they (the jurors) voted “the right way”.

[...]

On May 31, 1955, the United States Supreme Court issued an implementation decree calling on the states to desegregate the schools with “all deliberate speed". Within sixty days black parents had petitioned school boards in Clarksdale, Jackson, Natchez, Vicksburg and Yazoo City to gain entry to the all white schools for their children. Senator Eastland responded to the ruling, stating the
decree:

"...calls for an immediate start for the mixing of the races in the schools“ To resist is the only answer; We must resist them in the courts, in our legislative halls, and by the ballots of our people. I know Southen people will not surrender their dual school system and their racial heritage at the command of this crowd of racial politicians in judicial robes."

31 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:33:26pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

When states' rights is in your favor, argue states' rights.

When Federal control is in your favor, argue Federal control.

When neither states' rights nor Federal control is in your favor, pound the table and scream that you're being oppressed by multicultural social engineering elitists.

Can I just skip straight to Black Robed Shadow Cabals and Jewish Bankers?

32 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:34:04pm

re: #28 SanFranciscoZionist

When states' rights is in your favor, argue states' rights.

When Federal control is in your favor, argue Federal control.

When neither states' rights nor Federal control is in your favor, pound the table and scream that you're being oppressed by multicultural social engineering elitists.

How does one go about getting the Multicultural Social Engineering Elitist degree? That sounds like a handy degree to have.

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:34:14pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can I just skip straight to Black Robed Shadow Cabals and Jewish Bankers?

standing around a giant stone table, waiting for the eclipse...

34 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:35:44pm

re: #33 WindUpBird

standing around a giant stone table, waiting for the eclipse...

Funny, they didn't look Druish.

35 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:38:31pm

The White Citizens' Councils didn't terrorize and murder black people like the Klan did, because they were businessmen. A permanent underclass was very valuable to them. So instead of killing African Americans, they just denied them education and opportunities.

Unless, of course, they happened to be wearing their Klan robes. Because there was a LOT of crossover between the CC and the Klan: White Citizens' Council.

African Americans who were seen as being too supportive of desegregation, voting rights, or other perceived threats to whites' supremacy found themselves and their family members unemployed in many instances; whites who supported civil rights for African Americans were not immune from finding this happening to them as well. Members of the Citizens' Council were sometimes Klansmen, and the more influential the Citizens' Council member, the more influence he had with the Klan. In fact, the WCC was even referred to during the civil rights era as "an uptown Klan," "a white collar Klan," "a button-down Klan," and "a country club Klan." The rationale for these nicknames was that it appeared that sheets and hoods had been discarded and replaced by suits and ties. Much like the Klan, WCC members held documented white supremacist views and involved themselves in racist activities. They more often held leadership in civic and political organizations, however, which enabled them to legitimize discriminatory practices aimed at non-whites.

36 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:41:22pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh Mississippi, what have you done?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Mississippi civil rights workers murders involved the 1964 lynching of three political activists during the American Civil Rights Movement.

The murders of James Chaney, a 21-year-old black man from Meridian, Mississippi; Andrew Goodman, a 20-year-old white Jewish anthropology student from New York; and Michael Schwerner, a 24-year-old white Jewish CORE organizer and former social worker also from New York, symbolized the risks of participating in the Civil Rights Movement in the South during what became known as "Freedom Summer", dedicated to voter registration.

The case also made salient the efforts of Jews in the Civil Rights movement.

The fact that Barbour isn't screaming from the rafters to denounce these groups in his own state is unconscionable for a human being. He's more worried about him and/or his friends looking like racists. The boat's already sailed on that, I'm afraid.

37 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:41:30pm

re: #35 Charles

The White Citizens' Councils didn't terrorize and murder black people like the Klan did, because they were businessmen. A permanent underclass was very valuable to them. So instead of killing African Americans, they just denied them education and opportunities.

Unless, of course, they happened to be wearing their Klan robes. Because there was a LOT of crossover between the CC and the Klan: White Citizens' Council.

The Klan had the robes, the WCC had the power.

38 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:42:23pm

Rev. George Lee's Murderers Never Caught

As it turned out, the FBI did investigate the brutal murder of the Rev. George Lee of Belzoni, and records show the agency built a circumstantial murder case against two men.

But a local prosecutor refused to take the case to a grand jury.

Peck Ray and Joe David Watson Sr., the suspects, were members of the small town's white Citizens Council and both died in the 1970s.

Interviewed by Newsday years later in 2000, Ernest White, a close friend of Lee's, said that he always suspected that Ray, a local handyman, and Watson, a gravel hauler, were involved in Lee's murder. "We suspected them because of their reputation," White told reporter Stephanie Saul.

Before Lee's murder, Watson had been arrested, but not convicted, for randomly shooting into a black sharecropper's home.

Some of Lee’s friends believed the murder was part of a larger conspiracy involving influential members of the community who wanted to silence Lee, who was encouraging blacks to register to vote.

"The big wheels paid them off," said White, who became a city councilman years after Lee's death.

The FBI released their investigation records to Newsday under the Freedom of Information Act. Many names in the records were marked out but reveal the FBI had named Watson and Ray:

"Witnesses saw two men leave a downtown street corner where they had been standing, enter Ray's green two-toned Mercury convertible just before the shooting, drive away and return shortly afterward. Several witnesses saw a convertible fitting that description following Lee with only its parking lights on.

More...

39 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:44:34pm

American Experience . The Murder of Emmett Till . People & Events | PBS

People & Events: Citizens' Councils

The Brown v Board of Education decision was a watershed moment in American history. On May 17, 1954, in an unprecedented decision, the Supreme court abolished school segregation. Blacks hailed the decision. Whites in the Deep South called the day "Black Monday."

An Opposition Group

Some white Southerners channeled their ire into a new movement called Citizens' Councils -- organizations of white segregationists and supremacists who opposed integration and the Supreme Court decision.

Racist Ideology

The movement, led by Mississippi Circuit Court Judge Tom P. Brady, grew to encompass virtually the state's entire white business class. Council members published a book entitled Black Monday which outlined their simple beliefs: African Americans were inferior to whites and the races must remain separate. "If in one mighty voice we do not protest this travesty on justice, we might as well surrender," Brady wrote.

The "Uptown Klan"

The first Citizens' Council meeting was convened two months after the Brown v. Board of Education decision in a living room in Indianola, the heart of the Mississippi Delta. Soon hundreds of chapters with thousands of members spread like wildfire across the South. Members would meet regularly in living rooms and send in donations. The group even had weekly TV and radio programs, and states would sponsor promotional films spotlighting the benefits of segregation. The councils' view of themselves as a cut above the violent tactics of the Ku Klux Klan gained them the title "uptown Klan."

Spying and Intimidation

The councils picked up momentum and legitimacy in 1956 when the Mississippi legislature formed the State Sovereignty Commission. The Sovereignty Commission contributed funds to the Citizens' Councils and formed a covert network that tracked blacks and whites. Blacks in favor of integration or seen trying to register black voters would lose their jobs, their homes, even their lives. White businessmen would face boycotts and politicians would lose votes if they were believed to be sympathetic to African Americans' efforts at integration.

Violence

The Citizens' Councils claimed they did not sanction violence, but the venom spouted at their meetings and from their leaders, particularly Mississippi's segregationist senator and plantation owner James O. Eastland, fostered a violent, reactionary climate where punishment against blacks was sanctioned.

The Councils' grip on Mississippi was effective. By 1956, they claimed a membership of 80,000. Schools remained overwhelmingly segregated and black voter registration drives were thwarted. In 1959 the Councils played a crucial role in electing staunch segregationist Ross Barnett to the Governor's office.

The Councils' Legacy

Today the Council of Conservative Citizens carries the torch of the Citizens' Councils. "Promoting the interests of European Americans," the anti-civil rights and anti-immigrant group advocates for its ideas in chapters throughout the South.

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:45:22pm

re: #36 marjoriemoon

Oh Mississippi, what have you done?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The fact that Barbour isn't screaming from the rafters to denounce these groups in his own state is unconscionable for a human being. He's more worried about him and/or his friends looking like racists. The boat's already sailed on that, I'm afraid.


Barbour is one of the worst politicians in the country with any power


And no I don't think this state of affairs will change anytime soon. The calcified racist south voting bloc isn't going anywhere, they'll still keep electing these guys

41 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:47:00pm

This is what Governor Haley Barbour is defending.

We now await further comment from this fool.

42 What, me worry?  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:47:12pm

Ok now I'm depressed. I think I'll eat some chocolate. Always makes me feel better. I'll be back.

43 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:47:26pm

re: #4 ggt

So can we blame all this on Bill Buckley's death? This blatant, sickening stuff seems to have really come to the light since then.

(Picutures all these seething racists stuffed into a closet just praying for the time when they can "come out")

I think this is just a reaction from people with no good ideas to black man in the White house.

44 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:47:37pm

re: #39 Gus 802

"African Americans were inferior to whites and the races must remain separate. "If in one mighty voice we do not protest this travesty on justice, we might as well surrender,""

Let's update this for today's world.

Gay Americans are inferior to heteros and must remain isolated. "If in one mighty voice we do not protest this travesty on justice, we might as well surrender,"

45 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:47:51pm

He's extremely popular with his constituents, which means he isn't the problem, the south is.

46 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:48:43pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Let's update this for today's world.

Gay Americans are inferior to heteros and must remain isolated. "If in one mighty voice we do not protest this travesty on justice, we might as well surrender,"

Of course that still includes blacks.

47 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:50:11pm

Hell, I live in PA, and I guarantee if I walk into the right (wrong) bar, it will take a MAXIMUM of half an hour before I hear the term "n*****" used.

This shit has never gone away, and is just as strong as it ever was.

48 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:51:24pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I think this is just a reaction from people with no good ideas to black man in the White house.

But Obama isn't black, he's 'post race'; as an example of Homo sapiens future, he cannot be pigeonholed.

And isn't the 'White' house more of a gray?

49 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:51:35pm

White Citizens Councils

1956 article from David Halberstam.

Look,” said Nick Roberts of the Yazoo City Citizens Council, explaining why 51 of 53 Negroes who had signed an integration petition withdrew their names, “if a man works for you, and you believe in something, and that man is working against it and undermining it, why you don’t want him working for you—of course you don’t.”

In Yazoo City, in August 1955, the Council members fired signers of the integration petition, or prevailed upon other white employers to get them fired. But the WCC continues to deny that it uses economic force: all the Council did in Yazoo City was to provide information (a full-page ad in the local weekly listing the “offenders”); spontaneous public feeling did the rest.

More...

50 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:51:49pm

Fox news (via Glenn Beck's Blaze):
Sharpton Working With FCC to Drag Rush In for Hearings

Black's are oppressing white free speech!
Check out the comments.

51 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:52:31pm

re: #49 Gus 802

White Citizens Councils

1956 article from David Halberstam.

In another Mississippi city, two doctors were told that their white patients would be denied the use of a new hospital unless they agreed not to bring Negro patients even into the segregated wing. (The Council leaders, who expect the Court eventually to abolish segregation in hospitals, believe that the best policy is to keep Negroes out altogether.) And in Clinton, Tennessee, where mob demonstrations greeted the opening of the school year last month, principal D. J. Brittain received so many threatening and abusive telephone calls that he had to change his number.

52 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:52:55pm

re: #46 Gus 802

Of course that still includes blacks.

Of course. We just have a new prime target du jour.

53 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:55:36pm

re: #52 b_sharp

Of course. We just have a new prime target du jour.

Remember folks, fear the blacks chinese blacks irish blacks mexicans muslims!

54 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:56:51pm

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

Remember folks, fear the blacks chinese blacks irish blacks mexicans muslims!

...others.

55 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:57:02pm

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

Remember folks, fear the blacks chinese blacks irish blacks mexicans muslims!

Fear the sneetches with stars upon thars.

56 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 12:58:07pm

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

Remember folks, fear the blacks chinese blacks irish blacks mexicans muslims!

Next up: Why North American Aboriginals need to be kept out of America/Canada.

57 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:00:25pm

re: #54 EmmmieG

...others.

There just isn't enough privilege to go around, so we have to clutch ours to our bosom and protect ourselves. (Not trying to make this any more of a boob thread than it is.)

58 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:01:34pm

re: #57 b_sharp

There just isn't enough privilege to go around, so we have to clutch ours to our bosom and protect ourselves. (Not trying to make this any more of a boob thread than it is.)

Too late, you mentioned clutching bosoms.

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:01:57pm

re: #57 b_sharp

There just isn't enough privilege to go around, so we have to clutch ours to our bosom and protect ourselves. (Not trying to make this any more of a boob thread than it is.)

Oh, we are discussing boobs all right. They just aren't as exciting as normal.

There's something terribly tragic about a human being who is so insecure that they have to believe that their skin color makes them special and better than others.

60 SpaceJesus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:03:05pm

I love how conservatives love to complain about affirmative action when they are the reason we need it in this country in the first place.

61 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:03:29pm

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

re: #54 EmmmieG

re: #56 b_sharp

Me ,, I'm getting a little leary of the Polish-/Armenian-dwarf/albino that moved into my subdivision!

And those Amish ,, they don't fool me one bit!!
//

A

62 Gus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:05:13pm

bbl

63 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:05:53pm

re: #62 Gus 802

bbl

do you have too??

//

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:07:43pm

Oh, we really need a smack button.

65 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:08:46pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Oh, we are discussing boobs all right. They just aren't as exciting as normal.

There's something terribly tragic about a human being who is so insecure that they have to believe that their skin color makes them special and better than others.

Not all that long ago, before Darwin's time actually, it was commonly held that the white race was superior to most others, and when Darwin finally published, there was a bit of a jump by some to look at his work as proof they were right. That mind set is still around, ironically held the tightest by those in disagreement with Darwin, and is taking a very long time to wither away. Conservatism may be a rational ideal when aspects of our society are moving faster than we can intellectually and emotionally keep up, but trying to hold on to ideas most of society has long left behind, strikes me as not terribly healthy.

66 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:09:18pm

re: #64 EmmmieG

Oh, we really need a smack button.

There would be palm marks on my cheeks and back of head 24/7!

67 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:09:28pm

re: #61 sattv4u2
Oh noooo...The Amish Menace?
...MOVE!
/

68 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:09:51pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

There would be palm marks on my cheeks and back of head 24/7!

How would you sit?

69 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:10:19pm

re: #67 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh nooo...The Amish Menace?
...MOVE!
/


This just didn't start recently ,,
Dennis is their leader

70 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:10:34pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How would you sit?

Gingerly

71 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:10:47pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

There would be palm marks on my cheeks and back of head 24/7!

It would look good on you. Better than those shorts, anyway.
Purple and pink? Come on Satt.

72 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:11:27pm

re: #71 b_sharp

It would look good on you. Better than those shorts, anyway.
Purple and pink? Come on Satt.


They match my eyes!

73 justaminute  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:12:24pm

If "alternate universe" were true, it really sucks that I am stuck in this one. It would be really nice to be in an advanced society.

74 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:12:48pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

They match my eyes!

Hmm. I've always wondered about that. Vodka or Tequila?

75 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:13:22pm

re: #74 b_sharp

Hmm. I've always wondered about that. Vodka or Tequila?

yes!

76 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:13:30pm

CRAP!!
Rained all morning...was 44dig dropped to
33 and it's SNOWING!!
Must go clear entries ....11 of them!
Wouldn't want the public to slip and break thier....Wait!
/

77 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:14:39pm

Got to love Cracked.

5 Ridiculous Things You Probably Believe About Islam

All right. Now we look forward to a completely civil and logical group of article comments

78 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:14:43pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

This just didn't start recently ,,
Dennis is their leader

But they still use Slingshots!

79 Sionainn  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:15:46pm

re: #32 b_sharp

How does one go about getting the Multicultural Social Engineering Elitist degree? That sounds like a handy degree to have.

It's called being a teacher. I have that degree.

80 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #78 reloadingisnotahobby

But they still use Slingshots!

Hey ,, if it was good enough to take down Goliath ,,,,

81 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:17:14pm

re: #79 Sionainn

It's called being a teacher. I have that degree.

Oh, so you're a communist.
/

82 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:17:51pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, so you're a communist.
/

Depends

Does she/he teach in a public or private school!?!?!

///

83 SpaceJesus  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:18:46pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

neat, i didn't know the thing about morocco

84 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:20:35pm

Evacuations called as storm saturates California

A storm pounding California with record rain forced authorities in the San Joaquin Valley to call Monday for the evacuation of some 2,000 residents of the farming community of McFarland due to major flooding.

An estimated 400 to 500 homes were in danger, Kern County Fire Department spokesman Sean Collins said.

A sheriff's helicopter crew was trying to locate the source of the flooding, which possibly was coming from ditches and canals that supply water to farms, Collins said. Two evacuation centers were set up.

Stormy weather has gripped California since late last week, triggering mostly minor flooding, mudslide, road closures and power outages, but forecasters had warned of significant flooding dangers.

The storm was expected to intensify Tuesday night and Wednesday, with between five and 10 more inches of rain.

Virtually the entire state was affected, from coastal cities to the Central Valley, Sierra Nevada and southern deserts. Rainfall records fell, numerous traffic accidents snarled roads and trees tumbled.

85 Sionainn  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:21:14pm

re: #81 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, so you're a communist.
/

That, too.

86 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:22:09pm

re: #83 SpaceJesus

neat, i didn't know the thing about morocco

During the Barbary Pirate wars, the US hired Muslim mercenaries to help fight.

Of course, we then refused to pay them as part of a deal with the Turks.

87 Sionainn  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:22:25pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

Depends

Does she/he teach in a public or private school!?!?!

///

Since I'm not actually teaching right now, I'm not a very good communist. The only kids I'm indoctrinating are my own.

88 SteelGHAZI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:25:56pm

re: #10 ArchangelMichael

It was the worst birthday ever.

89 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:26:48pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evacuations called as storm saturates California

why does a Bill Murray (as Carl Spackler in CaddyShack) quote come to mind??

"I don't think the heavy stuff will start for awhile!! "

90 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:28:45pm

re: #89 sattv4u2

Seriously, we're gettin pounded down here in OC.

91 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:30:29pm

re: #90 Dreggas

Seriously, we're gettin pounded down here in OC.

I know,,, I've been keeping track!

(not much else to do,,, I took a few days off and went from home (Atlanta) to Boston to visit my mom whose been in the hospital(s) for two months now. Not much to do here but sit and watch the news!0

92 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:31:48pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

I know,,, I've been keeping track!

(not much else to do,,, I took a few days off and went from home (Atlanta) to Boston to visit my mom whose been in the hospital(s) for two months now. Not much to do here but sit and watch the news!0

Hope your mom gets better!

Only good thing about this storm is it's bringing up water levels at all the good fishing spots. The cold air has meant a good bite for trout.

93 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:32:20pm

re: #92 Dreggas

Hope your mom gets better!

Only good thing about this storm is it's bringing up water levels at all the good fishing spots. The cold air has meant a good bite for trout.

A silver lining to every cloud!

94 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:33:22pm

re: #87 Sionainn

Since I'm not actually teaching right now, I'm not a very good communist. The only kids I'm indoctrinating are my own.

I hope they are being indoctrinated into the atheist brotherhood.
We need more warriors in the war against Christmas.

95 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:33:48pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

A silver lining to every cloud!

yeah pretty much. Saturday wasn't too bad where I was just glad I didn't go for the second day of the tournament yesterday, may have wound up stuck.

96 engineer cat  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:35:25pm

so, mr barbour - what exactly is the purpose of the 'citizen's council', then???

97 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:35:26pm

re: #92 Dreggas

Hope your mom gets better!
Only good thing about this storm is it's bringing up water levels at all the good fishing spots. The cold air has meant a good bite for trout.

Thanks, btw

98 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:37:58pm

OUT!!

99 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:38:26pm

re: #95 Dreggas

yeah pretty much. Saturday wasn't too bad where I was just glad I didn't go for the second day of the tournament yesterday, may have wound up stuck.

Speaking of fishing, it's just about time for me to put my mukluks on, venture out into the -20C cold, pull out the sled, hook up the dogs and go get the wife.

BBL. Unless I get the overwhelming urge to go down to the shop and actually do some work for a change.

100 webevintage  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:42:02pm

Living in the South gives me a lot less patiance for folks like Boss Hog and his bullshit.
Fuck Haley Barbour, it took Mississippi 40 years to convict the bastard that killed Medgar Evers.

Here's a hint, if you don't want to be accused of being a racist it helps not to talk like you are a racist or admire racist organizations of the past. He might have well just said "In our town we didn't have any problems with our negros....".

101 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:43:37pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

I hope your mom gets better! And we have a nice dusting of snow this evening, so enjoy!

102 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:45:53pm
“You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK,” said Barbour. “Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.”

The White Citizens Councils.

My God.

Words fail.

I have got to stay up and watch Colbert and Stewart trash this white robed and hooded buffoon.

Don't even get me started on the "watermellon" remark he made...

103 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:46:13pm

Flashback: Citizens Councils Touted 'Racial Integrity,' 'Christian Love And Segregation'


Here is a Council newspaper from 1956, based in Jackson, Mississippi (which is roughly 40 miles from Barbour's hometown of Yazoo City). The paper includes such headlines as: "Christian Love And Segregation"; "Council Movement Spreads As Nation Reacts to Danger"; "Negroes Taking Over"; "Baptists Rap Mixing" (note: In 1950's American English, "rap" in this context meant to harshly criticize, similar to "blast" in a headline now); "Rape In Germany," warning of alleged rapes of German women by African-American soldiers; "Lady Veteran Raps Hospital Mixology"; and "Enemy Made Large Gains In 1955."
104 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:47:54pm

re: #100 webevintage

He might have well just said "In our town we didn't have any problems with our negros...".

That is just what he did say in essence, unfortunately. What other conclusion can you come to when Barbour said the WCC's kept the towns peaceful during the Civil Rights Era??

105 Sionainn  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:48:06pm

re: #94 b_sharp

I hope they are being indoctrinated into the atheist brotherhood.
We need more warriors in the war against Christmas.

LOL! Well, I am an atheist, but my hubby isn't. My little ones don't know a thing about religion, though my husband wants them to know about God and Jesus. My 5-year-old was telling me that my SIL celebrates Chanukah, and I told her yes, that's because she is Jewish. I told her that Christians celebrate Christmas, that they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. At that point, I realized she had no clue what the heck I was talking about. Hubby is falling down on the job. /

106 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:50:16pm

Before I go hitch up the dogs, is anyone here going to film the eclipse tonight? We have thick cloud here so there is no chance of seeing it short of flying, and I don't want my secret super powers to become known yet.

If any one is, any chance of putting on the Pages?

107 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:51:41pm

re: #106 b_sharp

Before I go hitch up the dogs, is anyone here going to film the eclipse tonight? We have thick cloud here so there is no chance of seeing it short of flying, and I don't want my secret super powers to become known yet.

If any one is, any chance of putting on the Pages?

I wish I was, damn rain *shakes fist at sky*

108 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:52:58pm

re: #102 celticdragon

Well that comment thread is...horrifying. About 10 comments to get to a its all the Jews fault. Good lord.

109 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:53:18pm

re: #105 Sionainn

LOL! Well, I am an atheist, but my hubby isn't. My little ones don't know a thing about religion, though my husband wants them to know about God and Jesus. My 5-year-old was telling me that my SIL celebrates Chanukah, and I told her yes, that's because she is Jewish. I told her that Christians celebrate Christmas, that they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. At that point, I realized she had no clue what the heck I was talking about. Hubby is falling down on the job. /

My wife and I gave our kids both sides. My son and daughter follow my lead, and my grandson is a kind of cross between my wife and me.

They're all sceptics.

110 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:53:38pm

I'm out.

111 Sionainn  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:53:42pm

re: #106 b_sharp

Before I go hitch up the dogs, is anyone here going to film the eclipse tonight? We have thick cloud here so there is no chance of seeing it short of flying, and I don't want my secret super powers to become known yet.

If any one is, any chance of putting on the Pages?

Rain here, too. It sucks because it hardly ever rains here.

112 celticdragon  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:56:39pm

re: #108 sizzleRI

Well that comment thread is...horrifying. About 10 comments to get to a its all the Jews fault. Good lord.


Yeah, I know. The redstate geniuses and "Zionist conspiracy" types hang out at Politico, it seems.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:56:46pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Let's update this for today's world.

Gay Americans are inferior to heteros and must remain isolated. "If in one mighty voice we do not protest this travesty on justice, we might as well surrender,"

Not so mysteriously, this is exactly what these same people, and their heirs, also believe.

114 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:57:03pm

Ahhh, 5:00 o'clock... (logs on & pops beer)

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 1:57:25pm

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

Remember folks, fear the blacks chinese blacks irish blacks mexicans muslims!

Hell, just fear. We'll fill in the blanks later.

116 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:02:31pm

New Start: Russia warns US Senate over nuclear treaty

Russia has warned US lawmakers that any change to the new nuclear arms disarmament treaty between the two countries could destroy the pact.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the New Start treaty "cannot be reopened, becoming the subject of new negotiations" according to remarks reported by Interfax news agency.

Republicans in the US Senate have recently pushed to change its wording.

Two-thirds of the 100 US senators must back the treaty for it to be ratified.

"The Start agreement, which was drafted on the basis of strict parity, completely meets the national interests of both Russia and the United States," foreign minister Sergei Lavrov told Interfax.

117 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:04:22pm

re: #116 Slumbering Behemoth

New Start: Russia warns US Senate over nuclear treaty

/what could possibly go wrong?

118 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:04:51pm

Scott Brown Announces Support For START Treaty

Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) today announced that he would both vote in favor of cloture on the START treaty and for its eventual passage, bucking GOP leadership. Many of his party's leaders have been complaining that they haven't had enough time to review the treaty, signed in April, and that last weekend's Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal vote "poisoned" the lame duck session.

[...]

119 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:06:05pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

120 SteelGHAZI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:06:13pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

RINO!!1!11TY
Real 'Murkins(TM) want nuclear war with Russia!!1

///

121 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

I just saw your comment about the Blumenthal book, and it's worth reading. As far as I can tell, all the factual assertions in the book are correct, but I don't buy some of his pop-psychology analysis.

122 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:07:37pm

re: #120 SteelPH

RINO!!1!11TY
Real 'Murkins(TM) want nuclear war with Russia!!1

///

you are disturbing my precious bodily fluids...

123 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:08:14pm

Why isn't the national GOP condemning Barbour's statements?

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:08:15pm

re: #117 brookly red

/what could possibly go wrong?

What seems to be going wrong is Republicans in the Senate

125 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:08:26pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Why isn't the national GOP condemning Barbour's statements?

Because they agree with them!

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:08:53pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Why isn't the national GOP condemning Barbour's statements?

Why should they bother? It will only rile up further the voters Barbour is speaking to directly.

127 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:10:07pm

re: #125 WindUpBird

Because they agree with them!

*sigh* there is just no pleasing some people...

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:10:08pm

re: #102 celticdragon

here's one of God's special children mashing the keyboard with cheeto-stained fingers:

You should spend some time in a black barbershop and hear the racist crap spoken there.

Do they have "white barbershops"? Naw, that would be racist. "Black barbershops" are AOK!

I wonder if these people are allowed to drive?

129 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:12:17pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

Does he really think there aren't any barbershops where all the clientele is white?

What the hell?

Or does he think black barbershops have 'no whites allowed' signs up?

130 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:12:32pm

Back on Citizens' Councils, note that there is a range of groups calling themselves "Concerned Citizens' Councils". Some seem to be quite innocent ad-hoc efforts, some are a variety of bad actors (e.g. anti-Native American fishing rights), and some are variants of the racists featured here. Gotta keep the nuts sorted.

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:14:00pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

re: #129 Obdicut

On that subject. I watched a fascinating documentary last night on HBO called "Good Hair". Chris Rock put it together.

Black folks go through an amazing amount of torture for their hair.

132 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:14:02pm

re: #94 b_sharp

I hope they are being indoctrinated into the atheist brotherhood.
We need more warriors in the war against Christmas.

This atheist loves Christmas. Of course, i'd be just as happy if they called it "winterfest", but it's fun regardless.

I'll take any excuse to see my whole family together, laughing and a little tipsy, eating ridiculously huge meals and exchanging presents.

133 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:14:05pm

re: #121 Charles

I just saw your comment about the Blumenthal book, and it's worth reading. As far as I can tell, all the factual assertions in the book are correct, but I don't buy some of his pop-psychology analysis.

Once I'm done I'm going to try to find time to read the books by Fromm & Hoffer to see what they're all about. Do you consider Blumenthal a moonbat? Just wondering as I always prefer to have context when possible. When I asked about him last night KT pointed out some Israel-related claims he'd made regarding the flotilla incident.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:14:09pm

re: #129 Obdicut

Does he really think there aren't any barbershops where all the clientele is white?

What the hell?

Or does he think black barbershops have 'no whites allowed' signs up?

internet commenters! I wonder if they're born? or grown in a lab somewhere...

135 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:14:10pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

136 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:14:59pm

To further underline the point Charles makes, there also appears to be either affection or affiliation between the CCC and The Political Cesspool, the infamous White Supremacist radio show that broadcasts in Tennessee. Haley Barbour also has been known to attend CCC sponsored "Blackhawks Rallies"... Now why do you suppose they call it "blackhawks?"

137 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:15:04pm

re: #121 Charles

I just saw your comment about the Blumenthal book, and it's worth reading. As far as I can tell, all the factual assertions in the book are correct, but I don't buy some of his pop-psychology analysis.

I remember you recommending that book highly, but I've been following Blumenthal a little since then, and he is sooo anti-Israel, I couldn't motivate myself to read a book by him. Should I reconsider?

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:15:22pm

re: #132 Fozzie Bear

This atheist loves Christmas. Of course, i'd be just as happy if they called it "winterfest", but it's fun regardless.

I'll take any excuse to see my whole family together, laughing and a little tipsy, eating ridiculously huge meals and exchanging presents.

I love Christmas! Winter beer and new toys and family and twinkly lights and doing detuned renditions of The Grinch at karaoke!

(also, check your mail)

139 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:16:22pm

re: #130 Decatur Deb

Gotta keep the nuts sorted.


Sounds time consuming....but I'm with you in spirit!;-)

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:17:14pm

re: #132 Fozzie Bear

"Happy Holidays is what terrorists say."
-30 Rock

141 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:20:19pm

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Happy Holidays is what terrorists say."
-30 Rock

/well really, when someone wishes you "happy holidays infidel!" you are allowed to be concerned...

142 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:20:40pm

I'm failing epic.....
Got 2 inches in 45 min....no sign of slowing down!
...My boss is in the Bahamas right now...I hate him...

143 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:20:45pm

re: #129 Obdicut

I was wondering where white dudes get their sweet fades.

144 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:20:57pm

I also recommend Blumenthal's book for the facts and links alone, but I forewarn you that you have to wade through a lot of vitriol, hyperbole, and pop psychology to get there. It's really kind of sad, because with just the facts Sidney had a very damning book. He didn't really need to underscore or over amplify a single thing, but he went there -- which shows you the bias he is cut with.

145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:21:07pm

re: #142 reloadingisnotahobby

Where?

146 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:22:11pm

re: #145 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Central Freakin Utah ...bout 5400 ft...

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:22:50pm

re: #146 reloadingisnotahobby

Sounds like a blizzard's acomin'!

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:23:33pm

Drudge is going nutz tonight. Obama tryin' to steal our internetz?

149 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:24:46pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Internutz??Over my dead bod...oh!

150 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25:19pm

As a long-term visitor to Alabama, I am required to point out that not all Southern politicians of the last generation were complete dipshits. Baxley, a former Attorney General, brought in a murder verdict on the Birmingham church bomber. When he got a Klan death threat he responded on State letterhead: "Kiss my ass."

151 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25:24pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drudge is going nutz tonight. Obama tryin' to steal our internetz?

/is it just me or is the "bottom comments" button not working?

152 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25:42pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT: I've been meaning to ask—how's your daughter's boyfriend doing with his recovery lately?

153 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:25:43pm

re: #144 Thanos

I also recommend Blumenthal's book for the facts and links alone, but I forewarn you that you have to wade through a lot of vitriol, hyperbole, and pop psychology to get there. It's really kind of sad, because with just the facts Sidney had a very damning book. He didn't really need to underscore or over amplify a single thing, but he went there -- which shows you the bias he is cut with.


You meant Max, son of Sidney? Or a different book?

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:27:47pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

Oh! Thanks for asking, my friend.

He is going to Atlanta after the first of the year to be evaluated by the best rehab facility in the country. He is doing as well as can be expected and is working his ass off in Rehab.

We're very proud of him. I am reduced to jelly about my daughter's decision to stand by him. It's actually lovely.

155 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:28:20pm

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like a blizzard's acomin'!


Late afternoon storms suck...
If you allow to sit over night...ya can't scrape it up so I'll be here
late.

156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:28:36pm

re: #151 brookly red

Not working for me either. But, don't worry. You're probably on it.
/

157 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:29:22pm

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Maybe nobody's on it.

158 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:29:25pm

re: #156 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not working for me either. But, don't worry. You're probably on it.
/

on it, shit & was afraid I overwhelmed it...

159 Kragar  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:29:29pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Scott Brown Announces Support For START Treaty

Why does he hate America?

160 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:29:29pm

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh! Thanks for asking, my friend.

He is going to Atlanta after the first of the year to be evaluated by the best rehab facility in the country. He is doing as well as can be expected and is working his ass off in Rehab.

We're very proud of him. I am reduced to jelly about my daughter's decision to stand by him. It's actually lovely.

That's great news! Your daughter is one special young lady, but I guess you already knew that. ;o)

161 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:30:16pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drudge is going nutz tonight. Obama tryin' to steal our internetz?

Oh drudge, our most exalted trantrum thrower in all the internet

162 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:30:23pm

Back in the fifties, segregation in private businesses was legal in Texas but not mandatory. Some of the businesses here in Lubbock that chose not to discriminate posted a charming alternative to the usual "Whites Only" sign:

"All of God's children are welcome here"

163 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:30:35pm

re: #157 Obdicut

Maybe nobody's on it.

and a lunar eclipse on the solstice?

don't go out tonight.

164 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:31:25pm

re: #163 brookly red

I've got a bottle of "Man's Mountain" sake. I'm not going anywhere.

165 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:31:46pm

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why does he hate America?

He's gonna be in sooooo much trouble. It's nice to see a Republican with some... uh... *looks around frantically for delicate word* ...backbone!

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:31:51pm

Walter? You out there? Dying to know what you thought about "Red".

167 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:32:54pm

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? You out there? Dying to know what you thought about "Red".

choose your next words carefully...

168 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:33:06pm

re: #155 reloadingisnotahobby

Late afternoon storms suck...
If you allow to sit over night...ya can't scrape it up so I'll be here
late.

Lucky you... if you look at weather maps, this year, the storms seem to get stuck at the continental divide and just can't tumble over the divide and bring much of any snow below 9000 feet.

We've had an occasional inch or so off and on, but other than that, nothing. Right now the radio news was talking about the dry winter on this side of the state and recommending that you water your trees.

169 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:33:12pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Its nice to see a politician who knows his constituents. I am looking forward to a comeback of the boring, mild, New England Republican.

170 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:34:21pm

re: #169 sizzleRI

Very well said.

171 jaunte  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:34:38pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drudge is going nutz tonight. Obama tryin' to steal our internetz?

I just read McDowell's WSJ piece, and it didn't make much sense. He is a former telco lobbyist, though, with a history of garbled editorials:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

172 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:35:26pm

re: #166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? You out there? Dying to know what you thought about "Red".

I answered you yesterday on that question. I thought it was much funnier than others in the audience seemed to think... I found it to be rather entertaining. A lot of very subtle asides and nuanced humor... a lot more than some people caught.

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:36:23pm

re: #171 jaunte

I just read McDowell's WSJ piece, and it didn't make much sense. He is a former telco lobbyist, though, with a history of garbled editorials:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

yeah, it's pretty transparent talking point refrigerator poetry

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:36:37pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

I didn't see your reply. Thanks.

I enjoyed it greatly.

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:37:37pm

re: #171 jaunte

I just read McDowell's WSJ piece, and it didn't make much sense. He is a former telco lobbyist, though, with a history of garbled editorials:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I'm betting the average person here knows far more about the internet than that guy

176 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:38:44pm

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I didn't see your reply. Thanks.

I enjoyed it greatly.

My only criticism... needed more skin.

177 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:40:40pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

LOL
Must go clear snow...grumble..grumble!

178 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:40:41pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Drudge is going nutz tonight. Obama tryin' to steal our internetz?

*Facepalm*

It must be awful to live your life in a constant state of paranoia and panic.

179 jaunte  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:42:02pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

It sounds like he's still working for an industry group, not the public.

180 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:42:08pm

Time to rustle up some dinner. BBL

181 Slap  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:46:05pm

Kinda OT, and late to the party....

I was saddened to hear this morning that Captain Beefheart died on Friday. I wanted to thank Charles for the thread on that day. I dropped my comment into that thread, but for those of you with a fondness for wordplay who don't know who he was, you missed one of the true forces of nature.

In my post, I quoted one of my favorite Beefheart word-pieces.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

December really sucks for my musical heroes.....

182 Randall Gross  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:49:20pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

Yeah, Max, sorry.

183 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:03:47pm

re: #175 WindUpBird

I'd say he knows plenty, and just lies for fun and profit.

184 brookly red  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:05:02pm

re: #183 Obdicut

I'd say he knows plenty, and just lies for fun and profit.

there seems to be a lot of that these days...

185 Charles Johnson  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:16:36pm

re: #181 Slap

Pappy with the Khaki sweatband
Bowed goat potbellied barnyard that only he noticed
The old fart was smart
The old gold cloth madonna
Dancin' t' the fiddle 'n saw
He ran down behind the knoll
'n slipped on his wooden fishhead
The mouth worked 'n snapped all the bees
Back t' the bungalow

Momma was flatten'n lard
With her red enamel rollin' pin
When the fishhead broke the window
Rubber eye erect 'n precisely detailed
Airholes from which breath should come
Is now closely fit
With the chatter of the old fart inside

An assortment of observations took place
Momma licked 'er lips like uh cat
Pecked the ground like uh rooster
Pivoted like uh duck
Her stockings down caught dust 'n doughballs
She cracked 'er mouth glaze caught one eyelash
Rubbed 'er hands on 'er gorgeous gingham
Her hand grasped sticky metal intricate latchwork
Open t' the room uh smell cold mixed with bologna
Rubber bands crumpled wax paper bonnets
Fat goose legs 'n special jellies
Ignited by the warmth of the room
The old fart smelled this thru his important breather holes
Cleverly he dialed from within from the outside we observed
That the nose of the wooden mask
Where the holes had just been uh moment ago
Was now smooth amazingly blended camouflaged in
With the very intricate rainbow trout replica

The old fart inside was now breathin' freely
From his perfume bottle atomizer air bulb invention

His excited eyes from within the dark interior glazed;
watered in appreciation of his thoughtful preparation.

186 wrenchwench  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:20:12pm

re: #185 Charles

That could rotate.

/

187 mr.fusion  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:24:43pm

I swear to God I'm living in some sort of alternate reality......

I mean wasn't it just 5 or 6 years ago that something like this would be an automatic end to somebody's political career?

188 Amory Blaine  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:25:16pm

Groups that covet slave labor have other designations besides racist.

189 palomino  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:25:19pm

Barbour still represents the old guard in the deep south. These are older white folks who have mixed feelings (at best) when it comes to the civil rights movement. And they resent mightily the Yankees who came down and "wouldn't mind their own business" during the last days of Jim Crow. Barbour's worldview, like millions of others, was forged in this crucible. Thus it's not surprising that they still hold some of these views.

On a related note, it's no coincidence that Reagan announced his 1980 candidacy in Philadelphia, MS, where 3 civil rights workers were murdered. The city became a symbol of states rights to right wing and racist southerners. Sadly Reagan, as part of the overall GOP southern strategy, exploited this.

190 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:27:36pm

re: #189 palomino

Barbour still represents the old guard in the deep south. These are older white folks who have mixed feelings (at best) when it comes to the civil rights movement. And they resent mightily the Yankees who came down and "wouldn't mind their own business" during the last days of Jim Crow. Barbour's worldview, like millions of others, was forged in this crucible. Thus it's not surprising that they still hold some of these views.

On a related note, it's no coincidence that Reagan announced his 1980 candidacy in Philadelphia, MS, where 3 civil rights workers were murdered. The city became a symbol of states rights to right wing and racist southerners. Sadly Reagan, as part of the overall GOP southern strategy, exploited this.

I have never understood why more people weren't horrified by that. Or maybe I'm sad because because so many people appreciated the gesture.

191 palomino  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:34:01pm

re: #190 sizzleRI

I have never understood why more people weren't horrified by that. Or maybe I'm sad because because so many people appreciated the gesture.

I didn't find out about it until years after I voted for Reagan in 1984, just after I'd turned 18. I admit I was disillusioned when I found out. And I've had serious reservations about the GOP ever since.

192 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:39:36pm

re: #167 brookly red

choose your next words carefully...

I expected you to say 'bite me'.

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:27:01pm

re: #129 Obdicut

Does he really think there aren't any barbershops where all the clientele is white?

What the hell?

Or does he think black barbershops have 'no whites allowed' signs up?

I've gotten my hair cut at a 'black' salon before. Anyone who's studied cosmetology knows how to cut white hair--which is a snap to do--the same cannot be said for black hair.

No one said a word to me either. I signed up on the list, and they washed and clipped me.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:27:40pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #129 Obdicut

On that subject. I watched a fascinating documentary last night on HBO called "Good Hair". Chris Rock put it together.

Black folks go through an amazing amount of torture for their hair.

Apparently, Rock was inspired to look into it because his small daughter came home from school and told him she had 'bad hair'.

195 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:29:10pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

I got my hair cut at a 'black' barbershop all the time in Chicago, because I lived in a 'black' neighborhood. Black people have all kinds of hair, so it wasn't a big deal.

Sure, there's plenty of racist black people. However, unlike racist white people, their racism doesn't come from a history of oppression of white people, nor does it reflect still-extant privileges for black people.

So that is, actually, quite substantially different,

196 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:29:56pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

It was a plot point in Coming To America!

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:32:10pm

re: #195 Obdicut

I got my hair cut at a 'black' barbershop all the time in Chicago, because I lived in a 'black' neighborhood. Black people have all kinds of hair, so it wasn't a big deal.

Sure, there's plenty of racist black people. However, unlike racist white people, their racism doesn't come from a history of oppression of white people, nor does it reflect still-extant privileges for black people.

So that is, actually, quite substantially different,

I had a really wonderful conversation with a black coworker once about black hair issues and Jewish hair issues. Great fun, and I think we both learned quite a bit.

198 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 4:52:44pm

re: #65 b_sharp

Not all that long ago, before Darwin's time actually, it was commonly held that the white race was superior to most others, and when Darwin finally published, there was a bit of a jump by some to look at his work as proof they were right. That mind set is still around, ironically held the tightest by those in disagreement with Darwin, and is taking a very long time to wither away. Conservatism may be a rational ideal when aspects of our society are moving faster than we can intellectually and emotionally keep up, but trying to hold on to ideas most of society has long left behind, strikes me as not terribly healthy.

It was very amusing to see the way the racists glommed onto the latest evolutionary hypothesis to support their racism.

When evolution was about 'improvement' the racists came up with tons of stuff that show whites were 'more advanced'.

Then evolution became about adaptation and it was shown that humans came about through neoteny, the retention of juvenile features into adulthood. Presto! Whites had more neotenous features than other races.

It's funny, but only because I don't want to cry.

199 Michael McBacon  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:43:57pm

re: #198 Romantic Heretic

Ever notice how quite a few of these racists who are supposedly scientifically inclined call themselves "racialists"?

200 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:44:35pm

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I used too as well, but I stopped that crap 6 years ago and went natural. I get more compliments now than I ever did before when I was using the "creamy crack".

201 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 5:49:54pm

re: #189 palomino

Not to mention the welfare queens on the south side of Chicago driving Cadillacs dog whistle. I wonder how many of those our FLOTUS knew growing up.

202 brownbagj  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:08:59pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Right on!

There are enough of us in the South that do truly believe that all of us are brothers and sisters, regardless of color.

We try to make it as painful as possible on the haters.

203 brownbagj  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:12:41pm

re: #195 Obdicut

I got my hair cut at a 'black' barbershop all the time in Chicago, because I lived in a 'black' neighborhood. Black people have all kinds of hair, so it wasn't a big deal.

Sure, there's plenty of racist black people. However, unlike racist white people, their racism doesn't come from a history of oppression of white people, nor does it reflect still-extant privileges for black people.

So that is, actually, quite substantially different,

It may be different, and heck, understandable, but it doesn't help the situation.

204 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:16:58pm

re: #203 brownbagj

I don't think you're really getting my point.

Far, far, far more evil has been done to blacks through racism from whites, and still is, than from racism from blacks towards whites.

205 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:18:33pm

re: #202 brownbagj

I was born and raised in the south and have lived in three southern states. Most people are nice, but these last two years............Well, all I can say Good Lord! It's like in the Lord of the Rings, where the dwarves dug to deep and found a horrible demon sleeping and woke the damn thing up! Where's Gandalf yelling "You shall not pass!"

Yeah, I'm a nerd. ;)

206 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:19:53pm

re: #203 brownbagj

I don't know any black people who hate white people. Not even old black people. It's distrust more than anything.

207 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:27:27pm

re: #205 moderatelyradicalliberal

My mom is a nurse in middle Tennessee. She spent the election pulling down printed out Obama emails in the nurses' lounge. She says its worse than she can remember in a long time.

208 brownbagj  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:33:01pm

re: #206 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't know any black people who hate white people. Not even old black people. It's distrust more than anything.

I do know some. In gangs. It does happen.

209 brownbagj  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:34:32pm

re: #204 Obdicut

I don't think you're really getting my point.

Far, far, far more evil has been done to blacks through racism from whites, and still is, than from racism from blacks towards whites.

I am actually trying to agree with you. Yes, they have not had the "power" to do evil as whites have, but there are some pockets of racism and it doesn't help us get through it.

I don't blame them for the distrust, or racism or whatever we want to call it, but it is there and is used by the racists in white communities.

210 brownbagj  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:36:06pm

And to add to my previous point, if I were black, I would have a damn hard time to forgive the past and not be distrustful or resentful. I honestly don't know if I could get over it, especially if it could be proven that I had direct relatives that were harmed in the civil rights era or way before in the slavery period.

211 [deleted]  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:37:19pm
212 brownbagj  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:37:53pm

re: #205 moderatelyradicalliberal

You are right. This is unsettling at best. You hope that people have grown, respect their fellow man etc, but times like these show us that we may not have come as far as we had hoped.

But I do love the South, and continue to try to be a part of the "New South."

213 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:39:11pm

re: #208 brownbagj

Gangs of people are always bad. People do things in groups that they would never do alone. That's when you go from thinking bad thought to doing bad things. The instinct to hurt people who haven't personally hurt you is not something I understand. I don't get hatred and bullying in any form. Even if you think it's legitimate, it will kill you on the inside.

I say get to know a person and they will give you plenty of real reasons to not like them in due time. Disliking people for immutable characteristics is just lazy.

214 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:41:23pm

re: #213 moderatelyradicalliberal

Gangs of people are always bad. People do things in groups that they would never do alone. That's when you go from thinking bad thought to doing bad things. The instinct to hurt people who haven't personally hurt you is not something I understand. I don't get hatred and bullying in any form. Even if you think it's legitimate, it will kill you on the inside.

I say get to know a person and they will give you plenty of real reasons to not like them in due time. Disliking people for immutable characteristics is just lazy.

Hey everybody, we've got another cynic here. Somebody go wake up Steve.

215 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:45:27pm

re: #210 brownbagj

It's not that hard, but you stay on guard. There are occasional bullshit uses of the "race card", but for the most part our radar for racism is good. When we see it or feel it, we know it. I don't think or expect most white people to be racist and I don't hold against people what they don't know. I have no doubt that I have offended the shit out of people because I was ignorant about something. I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. We are all making our way through the world with limited knowledge and experience. Sometimes we hurt other people and ourselves because of it. That's not just true about race, that's true about everything.

216 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:46:53pm

re: #212 brownbagj

I actually do too. I have never wanted to live anywhere else. Just keep me in a big city. I am a city girl.

217 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:47:57pm

re: #214 b_sharp

I'm not a cynic! That shit is true! ;P

218 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:50:07pm

re: #217 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm not a cynic! That shit is true! ;P

You have to meet Albusteve, he's our chief cynic and curmudgeon.

219 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:27:55pm

re: #218 b_sharp

I've read his comments. I don't think I'm that much of a grouch. But I'm young, give me time.

220 sizzleRI  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:33:52pm

re: #219 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well, it gives you something to aspire to!

221 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:46:04pm

re: #220 sizzleRI

I have every intention of growing to a ripe old age and being the sassiest, grouchiest, most foul mouthed broad the world has even seen. I mean it. I want kids to cross the street when they get to my house because they think a witch lives inside! ;)

222 labman57  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 7:57:48pm

Folks such as Barbour define the norm for racial tolerance a bit differently than do most people. In his world, if you don't subscribe to lynchings and lawn burnings, then you are a model citizen without a racist bone in your body ... even though you can't stomach the idea of full racial equality and a totally desegregated society.

223 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:10:41pm

re: #209 brownbagj

I am actually trying to agree with you. Yes, they have not had the "power" to do evil as whites have, but there are some pockets of racism and it doesn't help us get through it.

I don't blame them for the distrust, or racism or whatever we want to call it, but it is there and is used by the racists in white communities.

And?

224 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Dec 20, 2010 8:19:55pm

re: #222 labman57

Yeah. That about sums it up.

"I don't want to kill you or anything, but please stay away from me and mine".

225 Hector1980  Tue, Dec 21, 2010 3:29:08am

re: #2 Charles

I knew I had heard of the Council of Conservative Citizens lately, they are the same ones up in arms because the upcoming Thor movie has a black Heimdall.


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Hania Rani - Live From Studio S2 Listen to 'Live from Studio S2': hania-rani.lnk.to The full live set video was premiered on the evening before the annual Piano Day worldwide celebrations (March 29th). The motivation to make the recording of the live performances which became the ...
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