Julian Assange Claims Wikileaks 'Affiliates' Have Been 'Assassinated'

Julian Assange Claims Wikileaks ‘Affiliates’ Have Been ‘Assassinated’

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In the BBC’s interview with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, we learn that he’s a martyr, a player, a gentleman, perfectly happy with himself, and oh yes — people associated with Wikileaks have been assassinated. The interviewer doesn’t even blink at that one; no follow-up question.

I have an organisation to run. I have my people to defend. There are other things at stake here… There are other things at stake here. I have a serious brewing extradition case in relation to the United States. I have a serious organisation to run. People affiliated with our organisation have already been assassinated.

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jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:52:53am

What fresh spore of insanity is this?

Vicious Babushka Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:53:16am

Oh, he meant "character assassinated."

/even if it's true

Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:53:52am

If the interviewer asked Assange to clarify who was assassinated, Assange would have stormed off and called him a tabloid schmuck.

The irony is Wikileak's actions driven by Assange have created a situation where people really could get assassinated.

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:54:10am

Of course he can't say who because its a secret.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:54:57am

I am the great WikiLord! All who fight against me shall rue the day they ever dared to cross Julian Assange!

I have damaging information (I actually have no doubt he does)! I will destroy the governments of the world!

Fear me!

(Dude, little hint: This isn't the way the good guy talks.)

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:57:37am

The assassins must have been the same people Barrett Brown was talking about... the ones that assassinated the war journalist.
/// (yes, major sarcasm... tongue firmly planted in cheek).

Christ on a cross... these people live in a fantasy world of their own making.

b_sharp Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:58:04am

NOOOooo!!!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:59:03am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

The assassins must have been the same people Barrett Brown was talking about... the ones that assassinated the war journalist.
/// (yes, major sarcasm... tongue firmly planted in cheek).

Christ on a cross... these people live in a fantasy world of their own making.

I finally figured out the whole thing with Barrett Brown. He thinks he's Hitchens.

jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:59:53am

J.A.: "The world is a very ungrateful place, why should I continue to suffer simply to try and do some good in the world."

Bleh.

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:00:03am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

The assassins must have been the same people Barrett Brown was talking about... the ones that assassinated the war journalist.
/// (yes, major sarcasm... tongue firmly planted in cheek).

Christ on a cross... these people live in a fantasy world of their own making.

NEVER BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY...

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:00:28am

re: #9 jaunte

Bleh.

Because he's a douchebag?

jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:01:07am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And a whiner.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:01:28am

Mr. Ass...Assan....Whatever!
You are NOT REALLY as mean and tuff as your Avatar!!
....In a couple months he'll be crying like a little school girl....

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:01:38am

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NEVER BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY...

No kidding... I tried to watch that video the other day, turn it off right after that opening statement. The unearned self-importance was dripping out of that video like a bad bowel movement.

recusancy Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:02:18am

Any Oklahomans here who want to make a call to your senator today?
Oklahoma Sen. Coburn Plans To Hold Up 9/11 Responders Bill

Charles Johnson Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:03:10am

Women find him irresistible.

Jack Burton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:03:49am

re: #16 Charles

Women find him irresistible.

He has many leather bound books, and his apartment smells of rich mahogany.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:04:38am

re: #16 Charles

Women find HIS MONEY irresistible.

Sorry Charles...but accuracy sir...accuracy!

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:04:50am

Hey All!

This guy is just too bizarre, almost as if he is right out of a James Bond novel. white blonde hair, wickedly smart, perfect dastardly villein

b_sharp Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:05:05am

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

The assassins must have been the same people Barrett Brown was talking about... the ones that assassinated the war journalist.
/// (yes, major sarcasm... tongue firmly planted in cheek).

Christ on a cross... these people live in a fantasy world of their own making.

The brain is selective filter with iffy input hardware. We all live in a world of our making. The difference is in agreement. Our world tends to correspond, it agrees with, more closely with tested reality than theirs does.

Excuse me for a moment, my pink elephant just got out of her pen and I need to get her back before she tramples my Spice.

Flounder Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:06:06am

re: #16 Charles
WHY!?

b_sharp Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:06:10am

re: #8 EmmmieG

I finally figured out the whole thing with Barrett Brown. He thinks he's Hitchens.

Only Hitchens is Hitchens. We neither need, nor can handle another one.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:06:20am

How do you shoot a pink elephant?

b_sharp Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:06:57am

re: #16 Charles

Women find him irresistible.

According to women, or him?

lawhawk Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:07:06am

People affiliated with the organization have been assassinated?

Really? Names. We want names. Who are these people that were supposedly snuffed for their role in wikileaks?

I figure he's simply making stuff up and hoping some of it sticks in the hopes of garnering support for his "cause." He knows that the media is too lackadaisical in trying to fact-check so he gets away with it.

Had the reporter done his job, he would have asked the necessary followups to show that Assange is a blowhard in addition to being an egotistical self-centered anarchist who thinks his judgment and intelligence trumps everyone else around him.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:07:18am

re: #23 ggt

How do you shoot a pink elephant?

Sorry...I know I should know this......I got nothin!

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:07:39am

re: #16 Charles

Women find him irresistible.

Actually, Charles has a point. There did seem to be an enormous number of women lining up for him.

Sad.

lawhawk Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:08:32am

re: #16 Charles

Heh. He thinks he's the most interesting man in the world...

Youtube Video

He's a legend of his own mind.

b_sharp Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:08:35am

re: #23 ggt

How do you shoot a pink elephant?

You ain't shootin' my pink elephant. No siree. There isn't a hypodermic needle big enough.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:08:43am

re: #26 reloadingisnotahobby

Put him in the freezer until he turns blue, then you shoot him with a "blue elephant" gun.

Sorry, bad delivery. I should have asked the "how do you shoot a blue elephant?" first.

I just couldn't resist.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:09:02am

re: #27 EmmmieG

Odd ..in an Andy Warhol kind of way?

jamesfirecat Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:09:30am

re: #23 ggt

How do you shoot a pink elephant?

I shot one last Thursday in my pajamas... How he got in my pajamas, I don't know.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:09:51am

Assange's smarts are scary. I'd love to know how he faired (fared?) in elementary school playground politics.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:10:23am

re: #31 reloadingisnotahobby

Odd ..in an Andy Warhol kind of way?

Not sure. I think I could have stood about two minutes of that pseudo-poetic stuff before I laughed out loud, but the evidence is such that he did actually attract women.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:10:47am

What were their names, tell me, what were their names...

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:11:09am

re: #33 ggt

Assange's smarts are scary. I'd love to know how he faired (fared?) in elementary school playground politics.

King of the swirlies is my bet.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:11:20am

re: #34 EmmmieG

Some women are attracted to men who aren't physically, but mentally threatening.

lawhawk Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:12:01am

re: #33 ggt

Assange's smarts are scary. I'd love to know how he faired (fared?) in elementary school playground politics.

He probably threatened everyone with exposing their grades... or what everyone had in their bagged lunches.

Flounder Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:12:14am

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist
Is it safe?

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:12:50am

re: #39 Shropshire_Slasher

For what?

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:13:55am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course he can't say who because its a secret.

And if he told, people might get hurt.

The irony is killing me. Or maybe not. If we can't find out on our own who was assassinated, maybe we don't really deserve to find out.

///

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:14:17am

re: #8 EmmmieG

I finally figured out the whole thing with Barrett Brown. He thinks he's Hitchens.

He's not.

Flounder Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:14:33am

re: #40 ggt

My brain is escaping me.. movie quote with I think is Dustin Hoffman undergoing torture by root canal? I can't remember.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:14:33am

re: #8 EmmmieG

I finally figured out the whole thing with Barrett Brown. He thinks he's Hitchens.

And I'm not even that into Hitchens, but still, he's not.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:14:37am

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

He's not.

Well, yes, but he thinks he is.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:14:45am

Barrett Brown sounds like a poet.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:15:04am

re: #39 Shropshire_Slasher

Is it safe?

NO!!!
Stay where you are till the red phone rings!Ok?
Then RUN LIKE HELL!!.....ah ...that way >>>>>

Vicious Babushka Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:15:37am

re: #23 ggt

How do you shoot a pink elephant?

First put on your pajamas.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:16:22am

re: #39 Shropshire_Slasher

Is it safe?

To tell me, or are you afraid I'm going to sing all of 'Reuben James', complete with choruses?

wrenchwench Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:16:40am

re: #46 ggt

Barrett Brown sounds like a poet.

That's Barrett Browning.

reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:16:53am

re: #45 EmmmieG

Well, yes, but he thinks he is.

Perception is EVERYTHING!!

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:17:32am

re: #50 wrenchwench

Yes, I know. Elizabeth. Just making the observation . . .

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:18:30am

re: #51 reloadingisnotahobby

Perception is EVERYTHING!!

I perceive I have a million dollars in my bank account.

I perceive that I'm really Angelina Jolie.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:21:50am

re: #53 EmmmieG

Do you perceive these things with your senses or our imagination? I could make a difference.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:22:40am

re: #54 ggt

Do you perceive these things with your senses or our imagination? I could make a difference.

The question is self-delusion.

subsailor68 Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:23:43am

re: #43 Shropshire_Slasher

My brain is escaping me.. movie quote with I think is Dustin Hoffman undergoing torture by root canal? I can't remember.

Marathon Man - Laurence Olivier was the "dentist".

;-)

FreedomMoon Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:25:34am

You either ask the questions he'll allow you to ask, and not question him, or no interview. I think he's made it rather clear those are the ground rules, and if you don't comply he'll walk out, and your professional status will be downgraded to "tabloid schmuck." This guy is total freedom absolutist, nothing is hidden, except his extremely controversial and enigmatic personal life and how his entire controversial and enigmatic organization operates.

reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:26:13am

re: #27 EmmmieG

Actually, Charles has a point. There did seem to be an enormous number of women lining up for him.

Sad.

A number of what are probably young and very immature women who seem to get a kick out of being with someone whose name is known and who seems to have a certain "cool" factor in some quarters.

I'll take my truly anonymous and completely pedestrian Le Roi any day of the week over somebody like Ass-nge.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:26:14am

And on a related note...

AFP - Apple said Tuesday it had removed an unofficial WikiLeaks application for the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad from its App Store because it violated its guidelines for software developers.

"Apps must comply with all local laws," Trudy Muller, an Apple spokeswoman, told AFP. "It may not put an individual or targeted group in harm's way.

"We removed the WikiLeaks app from the App Store because it violated our developer guidelines," Muller said, declining further comment.

The WikiLeaks application cost 1.99 dollars and provided a mobile version of the WikiLeaks content, which is available on the organization's website for free, and access to its Twitter feed.

[Link: www.france24.com...]

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:28:47am

re: #58 reine.de.tout

A number of what are probably young and very immature women who seem to get a kick out of being with someone whose name is known and who seems to have a certain "cool" factor in some quarters.

I'll take my truly anonymous and completely pedestrian Le Roi any day of the week over somebody like Ass-nge.

Yeah, because the Roi has the guts to stick around and try to work at a commitment.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:29:52am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

DOS attack on Apple web site commencing in 5,4,3,2...
//

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:32:55am

re: #57 tacuba14

"This guy is total freedom absolutist,"

It seems, he thinks HE should have absolute freedom?

Four More Tears Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:32:57am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Sooo... you can access Wikileaks through the iPhone's web browser, but not through an app?

FreedomMoon Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:34:38am

re: #57 tacuba14

You either ask the questions he'll allow you to ask, and not question him, or no interview. I think he's made it rather clear those are the ground rules, and if you don't comply he'll walk out, and your professional status will be downgraded to "tabloid schmuck." This guy is total freedom absolutist, nothing is hidden, except his extremely controversial and enigmatic personal life and how his entire controversial and enigmatic organization operates.

However, everyone else and the organizations, governments, corporations, and personal lives that they conduct are free game. Just not his. A check or investigation into his practices would just be superfluous, he's Julian Assange for god's sake, just like Kim Jong doesn't need one, Chavez, or Ahmedinejad. A common theme here is that none of these leaders were legitimately voted into office.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:35:47am

re: #63 JasonA

Sooo... you can access Wikileaks through the iPhone's web browser, but not through an app?

"Apple recalls all Iphone, Ipod Touch and Ipad devices because of connectivity to Wikileaks issues."

lostlakehiker Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:36:10am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course he can't say who because its a secret.

He's protecting the lives of the dead.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:36:29am

Can you fucking believe this guy? I'm am actually impressed with his willingness to look us right dead in the eye and say what he says.

No wonder he's a philanderer. He's got gigantic gonads to empty.

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:39:00am

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Otherwise, stfu and sthd Julian.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:39:33am

Perhaps a Marvel Comic villein, not a James Bond villein. The skinny body &u white blond hair would work better in animation.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:42:08am

Assange is a front man, designed to get our attention and to be laughed at. I think we should be focused on the money. WHERE does the Wikileaks money come from?

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:42:26am

re: #69 ggt

He is anime.

Image: 290px-Gin_ep_280.jpg

Image: file.php?40,file=26546,filename=julian-assange.jpg

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:42:33am

re: #69 ggt

Perhaps a Marvel Comic villein, not a James Bond villein. The skinny body &u white blond hair would work better in animation.

He is Professor Lazarus from Doctor Who, Season 3, episode 6

Image: mark-gatiss-the-lazarus-experiment.jpg

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:42:52am

re: #70 ggt

Why do you believe that?

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:43:17am

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dude I totally watched that the other night and thought the same thing. Especially since Lazarus is so uber-creepy, too.

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:43:22am

re: #16 Charles

Women find him irresistible.

Especially when they are sleeping.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:43:23am

re: #71 Obdicut

Not quite dastardly enough. But good thought.

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:44:09am

re: #73 Obdicut

He is too obvious a target for being laughed at.

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:44:27am

re: #77 ggt

That isn't a reason. Lots of obvious things are true.

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:44:37am

re: #74 Obdicut

Dude I totally watched that the other night and thought the same thing. Especially since Lazarus is so uber-creepy, too.

What do you call that perfume?
...Soap.

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:45:18am

re: #71 Obdicut

He is anime.

Image: 290px-Gin_ep_280.jpg

Image: file.php?40,file=26546,filename=julian-assange.jpg

Hmmm.
Well, Gin is/was* an asshole, but....
He was noble near the end...
:P
*May be dead, don't know yet.

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:46:00am

re: #80 Varek Raith

I know nothing about anime. I just picked a random white-haired villain.

wrenchwench Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:46:18am

JA: No, women have been extremely helpful and generous and put up with me. But…
Q: Does put up with you mean having you in their beds?

JA: Of course on occasion, I mean I'm an adult man, but women have been generous to me over many years.

Q: In what sense?

JA: You know, in a sense of assisting me with my work, caring for me, loving me and so on. That is what I am used to. So this particular episode in Sweden came as a great shock. The personal shock of having people you're close to doing that, actually much harder to deal with, in a much greater feeling of betrayal than all of these political disputes I have with United States and being sued by banks and so on. Much harder to handle.

Just like the 19 year old who didn't want him to call her. Shocking!

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:47:16am

re: #81 Obdicut

I know nothing about anime. I just picked a random white-haired villain.

Here is Julian in the movie "Brain Candy."

[Link: t3.gstatic.com...]

jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:47:23am

re: #72 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

JA: I've never had a problem before with women. Women have been extremely helpful and generous.
Q: Not quite the question I asked you.
JA: No, women have been extremely helpful and generous and put up with me. But…
Q: Does put up with you mean having you in their beds?
JA: Of course on occasion, I mean I'm an adult man, but women have been generous to me over many years.
Q: In what sense?
JA: You know, in a sense of assisting me with my work, caring for me, loving me and so on. That is what I am used to.

Maybe he's really Peter Pan, in the arrested development sense.

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:47:33am

re: #82 wrenchwench

He had just met the women. So how could he be 'close' to them?

ryannon Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:47:53am

re: #70 ggt

Assange is a front man, designed to get our attention and to be laughed at. I think we should be focused on the money. WHERE does the Wikileaks money come from?

From George Soros, of course. Or the Russian Mafia.

Maybe the Chinese?

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:48:22am

re: #86 ryannon

You forgot your sarc tags.

lawhawk Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:48:22am

re: #81 Obdicut

Throw in a British accent, and maybe a little anti-muggle magic, and Lucius Malfoy could stand in for Assange... and Assange could definitely use a little legal wizardry to stay out of prison.

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:48:29am

re: #86 ryannon

From George Soros, of course. Or the Russian Mafia.

Maybe the Chinese?

Hehehe...

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:48:54am

I do believe customer service at Delta airlines is funded by George Soros.

wrenchwench Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:49:19am

re: #85 Obdicut

He had just met the women. So how could he be 'close' to them?

An assumption on his part. Don't all women who catch a whiff of him want to be close?

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:49:38am

re: #90 brownbagj

Really? Is it highly anti-communist in some way?

jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:49:56am

re: #91 wrenchwench

It's the coffee smell.

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:50:27am

re: #92 Obdicut

I need some sort of fall guy. He seems popular.

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:51:04am

re: #94 brownbagj

Well, it helps if there's some sort of connection that makes sense in any way, shape, or form.

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:51:27am

re: #81 Obdicut

I know nothing about anime. I just picked a random white-haired villain.

Don't mind me, just geeking.
:)

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:51:38am

re: #95 Obdicut

It is a damn joke making fun of how he is blamed for everything. Geez.

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:52:21am

re: #97 brownbagj

George Soros ruined your joke.

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:52:24am

You know, like, I lost another sock today. Must have been George Soros operatives.

100

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:52:47am

Nah. I don't think so. To each his own.

101

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:53:07am

re: #78 Obdicut

That isn't a reason. Lots of obvious things are true.

You lost me.

102

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:54:28am

re: #86 ryannon

From George Soros, of course. Or the Russian Mafia.

Maybe the Chinese?

I'm not jumping that far.

103

Kragar Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:54:34am

re: #96 Varek Raith

Don't mind me, just geeking.
:)

You? Geeking?

Get outta town.

104

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:54:41am

re: #101 ggt

There's no reason to assume that the reason why Assange is front and center, being laughed at and other wise the object of scrutiny and attention, is for any reason other than his own actions. There's no reason to assume he's supposed to be a distraction.

105

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:56:10am

re: #104 Obdicut

There's no reason to assume that the reason why Assange is front and center, being laughed at and other wise the object of scrutiny and attention, is for any reason other than his own actions. There's no reason to assume he's supposed to be a distraction.

Who are the other people in Wikileaks?

106

jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:56:44am

re: #90 brownbagj

I do believe customer service at Delta airlines is funded by George Soros.

I hear he funded Occam's razor.

107

Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:57:01am

re: #105 ggt

Who are the other people in Wikileaks?

The ones that are still alive, you mean?

108

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:57:24am

re: #107 EmmmieG

The ones that are still alive, you mean?

No, dead or alive.

109

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:57:43am

re: #107 EmmmieG

The ones that are still alive, you mean?

T-Rex eated them.

110

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:57:55am

re: #106 jaunte

I hear he funded Occam's razor.

He stole the emperor's clothes.

111

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:04am

re: #109 Varek Raith

T-Rex eated them.

Not George Soros?

112

Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:11am

re: #105 ggt

Who are the other people in Wikileaks?

There's quite a few, like the Icelandic programmer who was one of the top people until he left. There are a lot of public members of Wikileaks.

That you don't know everyone else involved in Wikileaks does not mean that someone else is secretly pulling the strings.

113

brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:22am

re: #108 ggt

Bon Jovi?

114

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:35am

re: #110 brownbagj

He stole the emperor's clothes.

And tied Gordian's knot.

115

ryannon Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:49am

Looking good here: Assange confronting his critics, totally disarmed by his wit and elegance:

Image: 19946_Docteur-Cordelier-1.JPG

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:53am

re: #112 Obdicut

There's quite a few, like the Icelandic programmer who was one of the top people until he left. There are a lot of public members of Wikileaks.

That you don't know everyone else involved in Wikileaks does not mean that someone else is secretly pulling the strings.

Does it mean I shouldn't ask?

117

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:58:57am

re: #111 ggt

Not George Soros?

Soros eated the t-rex.

118

Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 11:59:58am

re: #117 Varek Raith

Soros eated the t-rex.

I KNEW it!

119

Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:00:21pm

re: #118 ggt

I KNEW it!

How did you know that?

120

Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:00:36pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

How did you know that?

Wikileaks.

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Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:01:08pm

re: #116 ggt

Does it mean I shouldn't ask?

No. What I'm objecting to is this:

Assange is a front man, designed to get our attention and to be laughed at.

I don't think he's designed for that purpose. I think he just is someone who craves attention and inevitably gets laughed at.

Wikileaks hasn't gotten a ton of money, nor does it need a ton; it's just bandwidth costs at the moment. They're probably saving a bunch for legal defense funds.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

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brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:01:27pm

re: #98 Obdicut

Totally went over my head. Laughed out loud once my wit came back to me.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:01:35pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

How did you know that?

I thought it was obvious.

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:01:48pm

re: #116 ggt

Does it mean I shouldn't ask?

Soros and Assange is discussed here in detail...

“Manning was the patsy.
Assange is the front man
Who is the person really pulling the strings?”

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:02:20pm

re: #123 ggt

I thought it was obvious.

Define the word obvious?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:03:40pm

gzzzt

hnnng

caffeeene

._.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:04:21pm

re: #121 Obdicut

I don't see Assange as being that savvy. Scary smart, but not savvy. I don't think he could pull this off all by himself. Someone who is savvy could use him like a condom.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:04:41pm

re: #127 ggt

I don't see Assange as being that savvy. Scary smart, but not savvy. I don't think he could pull this off all by himself. Someone who is savvy could use him like a condom.

gnarly

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Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:05:12pm

re: #127 ggt

Pull what off?

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:05:16pm

re: #127 ggt

I don't see Assange as being that savvy. Scary smart, but not savvy. I don't think he could pull this off all by himself. Someone who is savvy could use him like a condom.

But... the two woman said he "didn't use a condom" so that shoots down your logic... ah ha... try to wiggle out of that.

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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:05:44pm

re: #127 ggt

I don't see Assange as being that savvy. Scary smart, but not savvy. I don't think he could pull this off all by himself. Someone who is savvy could use him like a condom.

KRIPS SAKE...Isn't that what GOT him in this fix in the first place??

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:06:36pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Define the word obvious?

[Link: www.etymonline.com...]

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:07:00pm

re: #124 Walter L. Newton

won't load.

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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:07:30pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

If the glove don't fit ...you must acquit???

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:07:32pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

I don't wiggle out of condoms.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:07:50pm

re: #131 reloadingisnotahobby

so true

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brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:07:55pm

re: #135 ggt

You just stay in them?

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:08:50pm

re: #129 Obdicut

I should have said "wiggle".

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brownbagj Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:08:54pm

Alright. Enough fun. Be good peeps.

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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:09:27pm

re: #135 ggt

I don't wiggle out of condoms.

I AM A GENTLEMEN!!
I will not go there....
...I'm still on the floor giggling!

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:09:29pm

re: #137 brownbagj

I'm a gurl.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:10:39pm

"The leak of the police report to the Guardian was clearly designed to undermine my bail application," Assange told the newspaper. "It was timed to come up on the desk of the judge that morning."

Off the rails paranoid (or just really desperate to achieve victim status). Contrary to the opinion expressed herein, judges in free countries (i.e. belonging to an independent judiciary) do not to base decisions on stuff they find in newspapers but on evidence presented to them in a formal, legal manner.

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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:10:41pm

re: #139 brownbagj

Alright. Enough fun. Be good peeps.

Sorry....but this IS good around here!!

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Walter L. Newton Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:11:53pm

A malady that is seldom discussed in the public forum... a much ignored affliction...

People Born With No Sense Of Humor suffer from a lamentable affliction, unable to comprehend irony, parody, satire or a good dirty joke about those famous bar-hopping Priests and Rabbis. The Pharmaceutical Industry has invested millions over the years to find a pill to alleviate the pain of these sad people, to no avail.2

[Link: swingvoters.wordpress.com...]

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:12:30pm

Has Wiki leaked anything from KSA, Syria, Iran or any other country who's secrets might be a bit more helpful?

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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:13:31pm

re: #139 brownbagj

Wait till there's a ...ah...Mammary,..Firearms...Imbibing thread highjacking!
...See..I can be good!

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:13:38pm

re: #145 ggt

Has Wiki leaked anything from KSA, Syria, Iran or any other country who's secrets might be a bit more helpful?

Bradley al-Manning from Syria does not wish to find out what they do in Syrian jails to traitors.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:14:25pm

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

A malady that is seldom discussed in the public forum... a much ignored affliction...

[Link: swingvoters.wordpress.com...]

They've invested millions of dollars? Geez, a joint used to cost a buck. I think we should follow the money.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:15:16pm

re: #70 ggt

Assange is a front man, designed to get our attention and to be laughed at. I think we should be focused on the money. WHERE does the Wikileaks money come from?

I don't know about Assange being a front man.
But I would also be very interested to know where money comes from to keep it running.

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Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:16:00pm

re: #148 ggt

What weirds me out is people who just say "That's funny" rather than laughing.

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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:16:06pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

Define the word obvious?

Not in the dictionary.
So is gullible.
Funny, that.

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Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:16:07pm

GGT, will you state clearly that you think Assange is a front man for some group or is being funded by some other entity?

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:17:12pm

re: #152 BigPapa

GGT, will you state clearly that you think Assange is a front man for some group or is being funded by some other entity?

He has sufficient resources to go all over the world. He's getting money from somewhere.
Where?

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Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:17:33pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

I posted a link to one of their funding sites above, the non-profit donation centers.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:18:15pm

re: #152 BigPapa

GGT, will you state clearly that you think Assange is a front man for some group or is being funded by some other entity?

I think he is a front man, for what won't be determined unless we can follow the money, find where it leads. It could lead lots of places, I'd like to know where. Assange may not even know, for all his smarts.

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Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:19:25pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

He has sufficient resources to go all over the world. He's getting money from somewhere.
Where?

Barrett Brown?

I just gave $25 this AM to Climate Crock. Wiki does not need big $ to achieve what they are doing, in many instances they have real jobs and do this stuff on the side.

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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:20:08pm

re: #150 Obdicut

What weirds me out is people who just say "That's funny" rather than laughing.

There's funny...hahaha!
and there's funny...peculiar...
///

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:21:09pm

re: #156 BigPapa

Barrett Brown?

I just gave $25 this AM to Climate Crock. Wiki does not need big $ to achieve what they are doing, in many instances they have real jobs and do this stuff on the side.

Well, you may be absolutely correct, it's funded some small donations from all over. (Though Barrett, in a video, says he lives in an efficiency apt in Dallas, doesn't seem really to have big bucks to spend).

Anyhow - I'm just as interested in where Wikileaks gets its money, as I am in where elected officials get theirs. Wouldn't it be interesting to know?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:21:15pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

He has sufficient resources to go all over the world. He's getting money from somewhere.
Where?

The Wau Holland Foundation

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

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Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:21:19pm

I think we need to follow the money for LGF. Where does Charles get all his money? I bet he's funded by Jeff Bezos!

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:22:36pm

I just can't image that everyone leaking information to Wikileaks is an altruistic, whistle-blower. I'm not that optimistic about humanity. If there is a connection between a money source and a leaker, well, that could be very interesting.

If there is opportunity . . Assange seems to have "use me" written all over him. Perhaps "front-man" wasn't the correct term.

I don' know what the correct term would be, dupe?

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:23:22pm

re: #160 BigPapa

I think we need to follow the money for LGF. Where does Charles get all his money? I bet he's funded by Jeff Bezos!

Charles gets his LGF money from ads and subscriptions, and Amazon purchases, maybe the occasional paid written piece for someplace. I suspect it barely covers costs (if it covers costs at all).

But tell me why you seem to think it's odd to wonder how wikileaks is funded? I think it's a perfectly legitimate question.

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Obdicut Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:24:20pm

re: #161 ggt

Oh, that's absolutely true. Look at the way he already got used with the CRU emails.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:24:45pm

re: #160 BigPapa

I think we need to follow the money for LGF. Where does Charles get all his money? I bet he's funded by Jeff Bezos!

Charles is a good American, he sells ad space.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:24:51pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

Well, you may be absolutely correct, it's funded some small donations from all over. (Though Barrett, in a video, says he lives in an efficiency apt in Dallas, doesn't seem really to have big bucks to spend).

Anyhow - I'm just as interested in where Wikileaks gets its money, as I am in where elected officials get theirs. Wouldn't it be interesting to know?

Esp. since Assange has set himself up to be the god of all information, with sole responsibility for determining what should be stolen and leaked, and what should not.

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Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:25:34pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

Well, you may be absolutely correct, it's funded some small donations from all over. (Though Barrett, in a video, says he lives in an efficiency apt in Dallas, doesn't seem really to have big bucks to spend).

Anyhow - I'm just as interested in where Wikileaks gets its money, as I am in where elected officials get theirs. Wouldn't it be interesting to know?

Yes, I agree. I doubt BB gave him money or is making that much, but my point is Wikileaks probably gets a lot of $ in small donations. I would not be surprised if BB gave them a $20 here or there if he got a decent check from his writing gig. I'm not loaded but occasionally I'll float a $25 or $50 to my causes or blogs.

I agree with your point that it would be nice to know, I have interest in it as well. I just question ggt's inference (and Obdi's line of questioning) that there's an obvious funding source and Assange is a front man for this funding source. We're not there yet and until there's more there there, there's nothing to this. But yes, nothing wrong with knowing.

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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:25:52pm

re: #161 ggt

I just can't image that everyone leaking information to Wikileaks is an altruistic, whistle-blower. I'm not that optimistic about humanity. If there is a connection between a money source and a leaker, well, that could be very interesting.

If there is opportunity . . Assange seems to have "use me" written all over him. Perhaps "front-man" wasn't the correct term.

I don' know what the correct term would be, dupe?

Assange strikes me as a very bright fool. I'm sure he could be, has been, and will be, used.

It doesn't strike me as improbable, however, that he put this thing together and is funding it without major seekrit money.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:26:00pm

re: #163 Obdicut

Oh, that's absolutely true. Look at the way he already got used with the CRU emails.

hard to wiggle out of wet paper . . . oh wait.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:26:31pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout

Esp. since Assange has set himself up to be the god of all information, with sole responsibility for determining what should be stolen and leaked, and what should not.

Well, he cannot really control what will not leak -- IIRC, he explicitly welcomed the competition by sites like openleaks.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:26:59pm

re: #159 000G

The Wau Holland Foundation

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Interesting. That fund seems to just collect donations for their foundation purposes, and they seem to have a heavy interest in wikileaks:

SPIEGEL: How much money have you already collected in donations for WikiLeaks?
Fulda : Since October 2009, we have received a bit more than €900,000 ($1,2 million).

[…]

SPIEGEL: How much money has been passed on to WikiLeaks?

Fulda : Up until now we've paid out over €370,000 to WikiLeaks.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:27:38pm

re: #169 000G

Well, he cannot really control what will not leak -- IIRC, he explicitly welcomed the competition by sites like openleaks.

Right, but that's a very recent development, isn't it?

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:29:06pm

re: #171 reine.de.tout

Right, but that's a very recent development, isn't it?

It is. Basically, I wanted to say: Assange can not stop anybody from leaking stuff he does not want leaked. I think that was pretty apparent in the last few days when the details about his prosecution got leaked.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:29:39pm

re: #166 BigPapa

Yes, I agree. I doubt BB gave him money or is making that much, but my point is Wikileaks probably gets a lot of $ in small donations. I would not be surprised if BB gave them a $20 here or there if he got a decent check from his writing gig. I'm not loaded but occasionally I'll float a $25 or $50 to my causes or blogs.

I agree with your point that it would be nice to know, I have interest in it as well. I just question ggt's inference (and Obdi's line of questioning) that there's an obvious funding source and Assange is a front man for this funding source. We're not there yet and until there's more there there, there's nothing to this. But yes, nothing wrong with knowing.

Right, I already said I wasn't sure about his being a front man for a particular organization. It would, however, be very interesting to see who is donating to that particular cause.

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Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:30:06pm

re: #162 reine.de.tout

Charles gets his LGF money from ads and subscriptions, and Amazon purchases, maybe the occasional paid written piece for someplace. I suspect it barely covers costs (if it covers costs at all).

But tell me why you seem to think it's odd to wonder how wikileaks is funded? I think it's a perfectly legitimate question.

Sorry Reine I was being sarc/funny to make a point. I doubt CJ is making big bucks and he's married to it for better or worse. If he was in it for the $ he wouldn't be doing it... but I believe Assange and all the Wikileaks staffers have that same base motivation.

I don't think it's odd to wonder where Wiki gets their money and have nothing against finding out. The inferring questions that there is some key source with an agenda, and the implication that it's obvious, is what I question.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:30:20pm

re: #172 000G

It is. Basically, I wanted to say: Assange can not stop anybody from leaking stuff he does not want leaked. I think that was pretty apparent in the last few days when the details about his prosecution got leaked.

heh. Quite agree.
But he's furious about that!

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jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:30:25pm

re: #165 reine.de.tout

A Wikileaks business model is interesting when you consider the cost of developing the content of essays, position papers, gossip, etc. has all been absorbed by the taxpayers who fund the governments from whom the material is stolen. The benefits of fame from 'sharing' go only to the sharers, and not the content generators.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:31:17pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

Interesting. That fund seems to just collect donations for their foundation purposes, and they seem to have a heavy interest in wikileaks:

They are pretty much the charity arm of the Chaos Computer Club, i.e. (mostly German) hackers.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:32:27pm

re: #177 000G

They are pretty much the charity arm of the Chaos Computer Club, i.e. (mostly German) hackers.

here we are, ITS THE COMPUTER NERDS!

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:32:44pm

re: #174 BigPapa

Sorry Reine I was being sarc/funny to make a point. I doubt CJ is making big bucks and he's married to it for better or worse. If he was in it for the $ he wouldn't be doing it... but I believe Assange and all the Wikileaks staffers have that same base motivation.

I don't think it's odd to wonder where Wiki gets their money and have nothing against finding out. The inferring questions that there is some key source with an agenda, and the implication that it's obvious, is what I question.

Gotcha. No, I don't think Assange is super wealthy personally from all of this, and I agree - I'm not at all convinced he's a front man for some group - his ego is too huge to allow him to be anybody's "front" man. He wants the glory all for himself.
.
But he does have access to money to go whereever he wants, it seems, and of course, access to all sorts of wealthy supporters (Jemima Khan comes to mind, plus whoever gave him the loan of that house where he's staying).

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:32:53pm

or, sorry, German Computer Nerds.

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reine.de.tout Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:33:36pm

re: #176 jaunte

A Wikileaks business model is interesting when you consider the cost of developing the content of essays, position papers, gossip, etc. has all been absorbed by the taxpayers who fund the governments from whom the material is stolen. The benefits of fame from 'sharing' go only to the sharers, and not the content generators.

EXCELLENT point

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jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:34:05pm

re: #181 reine.de.tout

It's the Pirate Bay business model.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:37:09pm

Playtime is over for me, have to get the kid from school.

Have a great day all!

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Varek Raith Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:38:48pm

Nuclear arms control treaty with Russia -- a top priority for President Obama -- clears key procedural vote in Senate.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:38:53pm

re: #176 jaunte

A Wikileaks business model is interesting when you consider the cost of developing the content of essays, position papers, gossip, etc. has all been absorbed by the taxpayers who fund the governments from whom the material is stolen. The benefits of fame from 'sharing' go only to the sharers, and not the content generators.

To be fair, WikiLeaks did not just leak government stuff but also lots of corporations' and private persons' stuff.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:39:52pm

Information published by WikiLeaks

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jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:42:55pm

re: #185 000G

True, I just thought it was interesting that an operation and become powerful and well known now if it puts something online to share, and it's a real shortcut to fame if you steal someone's content instead of going to all the trouble of developing your own.

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Slap Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:43:04pm

Maybe it's just me -- but lately, I can't think of this guy without thinking of this guy:

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

The parallels are so strong....!

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jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:43:36pm

re: #187 jaunte

'can become powerful' I mean.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:47:59pm

re: #187 jaunte

True, I just thought it was interesting that an operation can become powerful and well known now if it puts something online to share, and it's a real shortcut to fame if you steal someone's content instead of going to all the trouble of developing your own.

It's crucial to point out, though, that that is also the success model of Wikipedia (the "no original research" rule basically means that contributors may only edit in information that he has reworded content from reputable sources sufficiently enough to avoid copyright issues). Collaboration efforts that result in "free" and/or "open" products are ubiquitous these days.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:50:01pm

re: #190 000G

(the "no original research" rule basically means that contributors may only edit in information that he has reworded content from reputable sources sufficiently enough to avoid copyright issues)

garbled. I meant: the "no original research" rule basically means that contributors may only contribute information that they got from reputable sources but reworded sufficiently enough to avoid copyright issues.

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Kronocide Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:50:01pm

re: #185 000G

To be fair, WikiLeaks did not just leak government stuff but also lots of corporations' and private persons' stuff.

I don't see it as a question of fairness.

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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Dec 21, 2010 12:51:34pm

re: #192 BigPapa

I don't see it as a question of fairness.

It is when you consider that I replied to 176 in which Jaunte made the argument about the production costs being absorbed by taxpayers because the sources of the leaks were government agencies.

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jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 1:01:39pm

re: #193 000G

I should have used more inclusive terms; it's just a very efficient transfer of value to the leaders of the sharing organization if they acquire content without having to pay for it.

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jaunte Tue, Dec 21, 2010 1:02:51pm

Off to work. bbl.

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harrylook Tue, Dec 21, 2010 1:05:52pm

re: #16 Charles

best laugh of the day! you know he believes it.

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Mark Winter Tue, Dec 21, 2010 5:27:02pm

I think he's referring to this:

[Link: www.hawaiifreepress.com...]

And death threats against him are ten a penny.