Video: Global Warming or Climate Change?
In his latest video, environmentalist Peter Sinclair reveals the dread conspiracy behind the terms “global warming” and “climate change.”
In his latest video, environmentalist Peter Sinclair reveals the dread conspiracy behind the terms “global warming” and “climate change.”
2 | Political Atheist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:06:16pm |
The manipulator is proud to manipulate. for him it's never about the issue, it's about the power of language. The messenger makes the message. It's the real Washington DC way.
3 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:07:40pm |
The numerous issues surrounding anti-AGW propaganda would be fascinating if they weren't also so damn desperately damaging and potentially fatal to the human race.
As it is, they're just damn nihilistic.
4 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:08:01pm |
Heh. The Heritage Foundation. Buttholes.
5 | Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:08:31pm |
Who's the sheeple again? It seems to me those most likely to posit the 'sheeple' meme are themselves, sheeple.
6 | freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:09:59pm |
Seriously, for all practical matters the denialists have won the policy debate. They never really cared about the science, just in keeping the status quo.
In the latest news on the fossil fuel front, Jordan is about to start exploiting their extensive kerogen shale (mislabeled as "oil shale") resource, a substance similar to what the US has in abundance in CO/UT. Jordan will burn it like a very low grade coal, similar to what the Estonians do with their kerogen shale.
Petroleum prices are going up because high quality oil, real oil, is scarce and the demand is rising. However, there are very large deposits of low grade oil/tar around the world, and the kerogen shale deposits, and the low grade coal deposits are abundant (though like with oil, the highest quality coal may have peaked production.) Add to that very widespread methane deposits around the world, and we have plenty of carbon left to pump into the atmosphere (though at greater cost of extraction.)
Human life is too short to appreciate how significantly we are changing the planet surface.
8 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:16:40pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
The numerous issues surrounding anti-AGW propaganda would be fascinating if they weren't also so damn desperately damaging and potentially fatal to the human race.
As it is, they're just damn nihilistic.
some people probably consider God will and leave it at that...they are not nihilists
9 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:19:44pm |
re: #8 albusteve
That's a incoherent and self-contradictory position, though. So nihilists and hypocrites.
10 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:29:39pm |
re: #9 Obdicut
That's a incoherent and self-contradictory position, though. So nihilists and hypocrites.
maybe so...I have a hard time condemning the ignorant believers...they just don't know wtf is going on...people are overwhelmed with the subject
11 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:31:16pm |
re: #10 albusteve
I'm not condemning them. I'm condemning the propagandists.
12 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:33:46pm |
re: #11 Obdicut
I'm not condemning them. I'm condemning the propagandists.
as it should be...and considering the deep freeze and dangerous winter conditions all across the country, they have a lot of ammo to spend...I'm very pessimistic about the future...lots of talk, little change in behavior
13 | darthstar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:42:04pm |
Broker called. We got approved. Now, if the ocean would hold off on rising for another 30 years or so, I'd like to enjoy looking at it from dry ground. 12ft above sea level is close enough.
14 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:52:35pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Broker called. We got approved. Now, if the ocean would hold off on rising for another 30 years or so, I'd like to enjoy looking at it from dry ground. 12ft above sea level is close enough.
congrats...hope you enjoy it for many years to come
15 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 3:57:44pm |
New advance in alternative fuel sources.
New solar fuel machine 'mimics plant life'
The headline is a bit misleading and the tech is new and not yet very efficient, but it looks interesting.
16 | martinsmithy Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:04:16pm |
Along this line, I recommend reading "Merchants of Doubt," which also chronicles in more detail the rise of climate change denialism, and ties it in to past cases of right-wing science denialism regarding tobacco, ozone depletion, DDT revisionism, etc.
On the other hand, I just finished a book by Bjorn Lomborg entitled "Cool It." The book argues that, while global warming is a problem, the cost of the solution is much worse than the cost of the problem, and that money spent on fighting climate change would be better spent on disease control, new food production, etc. I understand Lomborg has recently modified his position on the subject, but he is undoubtedly still a "skeptical enviromentalist."
And that, to me, is the biggest issue with global warming - not whether it is actually happening, but rather, whether the cure is worse than the disease.
17 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:04:48pm |
re: #15 Bubblehead II
New advance in alternative fuel sources.
New solar fuel machine 'mimics plant life'
The headline is a bit misleading and the tech is new and not yet very efficient, but it looks interesting.
or we could grow oil...lots of it
[Link: domesticfuel.com...]
the will is just not there....have to wait for an extreme crisis
HYPERION!
18 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:05:54pm |
re: #11 Obdicut
I'm not condemning them. I'm condemning the propagandists.
the people whose business, whose very livelihood, consists on spreading lies that will help to ruin the lives of millions
whee people rock!
19 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:07:08pm |
re: #16 martinsmithy
Along this line, I recommend reading "Merchants of Doubt," which also chronicles in more detail the rise of climate change denialism, and ties it in to past cases of right-wing science denialism regarding tobacco, ozone depletion, DDT revisionism, etc.
On the other hand, I just finished a book by Bjorn Lomborg entitled "Cool It." The book argues that, while global warming is a problem, the cost of the solution is much worse than the cost of the problem, and that money spent on fighting climate change would be better spent on disease control, new food production, etc. I understand Lomborg has recently modified his position on the subject, but he is undoubtedly still a "skeptical enviromentalist."
And that, to me, is the biggest issue with global warming - not whether it is actually happening, but rather, whether the cure is worse than the disease.
Lomborg is not really a reliable source, dude
20 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:07:52pm |
re: #16 martinsmithy
Along this line, I recommend reading "Merchants of Doubt," which also chronicles in more detail the rise of climate change denialism, and ties it in to past cases of right-wing science denialism regarding tobacco, ozone depletion, DDT revisionism, etc.
On the other hand, I just finished a book by Bjorn Lomborg entitled "Cool It." The book argues that, while global warming is a problem, the cost of the solution is much worse than the cost of the problem, and that money spent on fighting climate change would be better spent on disease control, new food production, etc. I understand Lomborg has recently modified his position on the subject, but he is undoubtedly still a "skeptical enviromentalist."
And that, to me, is the biggest issue with global warming - not whether it is actually happening, but rather, whether the cure is worse than the disease.
agreed...vast shifts of wealth and an imposed weakened world economy is not the answer....like you, this is where my interest lie, not in the science
22 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:08:31pm |
23 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:08:35pm |
re: #16 martinsmithy
Lomborg Errors: [Link: www.lomborg-errors.dk...]
24 | b_sharp Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:08:42pm |
According to the video, it sounds like Luntz prepared a memo in 1995 yet the only memo I've seen with the suggestion global warming not be used was prepared in 2003.
Does anyone know of the ~1995 memo?
25 | Martinsmithy Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:09:34pm |
re: #20 albusteve
I know Lomborg is not beloved of the environmental community, but do you have any specifics you can refer me to?
26 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:09:59pm |
27 | darthstar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:10:00pm |
Xmas card from the planet. Notice the banner in the background...
28 | Martinsmithy Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:10:04pm |
Never mind, Windupbird, you posted a link while I was writing that last comment!
29 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:10:20pm |
re: #25 Martinsmithy
I know Lomborg is not beloved of the environmental community, but do you have any specifics you can refer me to?
sorry, no...I'm a bystander, preparing for the floods
30 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:10:53pm |
re: #22 albusteve
a source for what?...ideas?
his books contain all kinds of shoddy science, factual errors, misdirection and dishonesty. it's like, why go to a fatalistic guy who's shrouded in controversy when there are scienists with better ideas whose work isn't?
31 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:11:50pm |
re: #28 Martinsmithy
Never mind, Windupbird, you posted a link while I was writing that last comment!
he's not the worst guy on earth, he's just...shaky, on several fronts :P
32 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:12:59pm |
members of my family work for NOAA, I'm looking forward to my sis-in-law unloading all her latest global warming denier pet peeves at me over eggnog on new years :D
33 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:14:58pm |
re: #29 albusteve
sorry, no...I'm a bystander, preparing for the floods
floods? shit I thought it was droughts... famine & pestilence are still on schedule yes?
34 | Stanghazi Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:15:49pm |
re: #24 b_sharp
According to the video, it sounds like Luntz prepared a memo in 1995 yet the only memo I've seen with the suggestion global warming not be used was prepared in 2003.
Does anyone know of the ~1995 memo?
Wikileaks has the details somewhere.
36 | b_sharp Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:17:30pm |
re: #33 brookly red
floods? shit I thought it was droughts... famine & pestilence are still on schedule yes?
Floods and Droughts came to a time share agreement some time ago. Famine and Pestilence have been practising for their parts for a while, so I think they'll be on schedule.
37 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:17:41pm |
re: #30 WindUpBird
his books contain all kinds of shoddy science, factual errors, misdirection and dishonesty. it's like, why go to a fatalistic guy who's shrouded in controversy when there are scienists with better ideas whose work isn't?
I'm not interested in science...I'm interested in solutions and results
38 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:18:34pm |
39 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:19:02pm |
re: #37 albusteve
Without good science, you won't get solutions or results.
40 | b_sharp Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:19:07pm |
re: #37 albusteve
I'm not interested in science...I'm interested in solutions and results
If you are interested in solutions for AGW, you're interested in science.
41 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:19:32pm |
re: #17 albusteve
or we could grow oil...lots of it
[Link: domesticfuel.com...]the will is just not there...have to wait for an extreme crisis
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Any Idea who is interested in buying these things and what their status in regards to licensing is with the NRC?
43 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:19:55pm |
re: #16 martinsmithy
Lomborg is not a scientist and has zero credibility in the field.
He's trying to sell his book.
44 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:20:04pm |
re: #33 brookly red
floods? shit I thought it was droughts... famine & pestilence are still on schedule yes?
the droughts are here, now...as for famine, I'd say that's a major problem too
45 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:20:24pm |
47 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:21:04pm |
re: #39 Obdicut
Without good science, you won't get solutions or results.
there is nothing wrong with the science...I'm fine with it, so lets take the next steps
48 | darthstar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:21:28pm |
49 | b_sharp Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:21:50pm |
re: #47 albusteve
there is nothing wrong with the science...I'm fine with it, so lets take the next steps
The point is it will take science to solve the problem.
50 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:21:59pm |
re: #44 albusteve
the droughts are here, now...as for famine, I'd say that's a major problem too
famine, yes it sucks... perhaps if we ended farm subsit...
ooops never mind.
51 | Martinsmithy Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:22:12pm |
re: #21 brookly red
An old-timer, but, as you have undoubtedly noticed, not a very frequent visitor (or at least commenter).
I would say that I was on the left side of the LGF equation back when I first started posting, and I would be on the right side now. But it's always been an interesting blog, which is why I first registered and why I still come and look sometimes.
52 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:22:15pm |
re: #43 Obdicut
Lomborg is not a scientist and has zero credibility in the field.
He's trying to sell his book.
He's a good looking guy! Sorta looks like a surfer.
53 | b_sharp Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:22:49pm |
re: #48 darthstar
Love it, and I'm stealing it.
I'll Indian wrestle you for it.
Ouch.
Mrs._Sharp just smacked me on the back of the head.
54 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:22:50pm |
re: #41 Bubblehead II
Purchasing a Hyperion Power Module (HPM)
Each HPM provides 70 MW thermal energy or 25 MW electric energy via steam turbine for seven to ten years. This amount of energy provides electricity for 20,000 average American-style homes or the industrial or infrastructure equivalent. Each module will cost $50 million. Initial deliveries, slated to begin in the second half of 2013, are being scheduled.
Any Idea who is interested in buying these things and what their status in regards to licensing is with the NRC?
as far as licensing, I think they have mostly been ignored though the years by the AEC or whoever
55 | Obdicut Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:23:13pm |
re: #52 WindUpBird
That fits, since he's a dilettante making a quick buck.
56 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:23:55pm |
58 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:26:09pm |
re: #57 b_sharp
I think you just bit your tail.
I think you are looking for something that isn't there
59 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:28:16pm |
Chinese take out time for Red, do dah, do dah...
60 | Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:28:31pm |
re: #16 martinsmithy
And that, to me, is the biggest issue with global warming - not whether it is actually happening, but rather, whether the cure is worse than the disease.
The Disease: CO2 saturation of the air leading to global temperature rising, oceanic acidification adversely impacting the food chain, sea level rise affecting hundreds of millions directly, indirectly the rest of us, war, famine.
The Cure: paying 20/30/40% more for energy now to fund new technologies and efficiency improvement, changing our habits and systems to significantly impact our energy demand.
I'm not wondering at all. The Disease is very very bad. The biggest issue is how bad it is going to be. In the mean time it would behoove us to get our buts in gear and start reducing emissions as much as possible and at least slow down. To many, even that seems to be be an issue.
61 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:30:38pm |
these things are awesome....they should be all over the place, since, obviously their time has come
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]
62 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:30:46pm |
re: #54 albusteve
as far as licensing, I think they have mostly been ignored though the years by the AEC or whoever
Actually, they haven't.
HYPERION POWER COMPLETES FIRST FORMAL MEETING WITH U.S. NRC.
WASHINGTON, DC, December 09, 2010 — Hyperion Power Generation (HPG) has completed its first formal presentation of the Hyperion Power Module (HPM) to the United States' Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and related documents are now available through the agency's Agencywide Documents Access and Management System (ADAMS). Visit: wba.nrc.gov (simple search on Hyperion Power).
This thing may actually get off the ground.
63 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:32:02pm |
re: #62 Bubblehead II
Actually, they haven't.
HYPERION POWER COMPLETES FIRST FORMAL MEETING WITH U.S. NRC.
WASHINGTON, DC, December 09, 2010 — Hyperion Power Generation (HPG) has completed its first formal presentation of the Hyperion Power Module (HPM) to the United States' Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and related documents are now available through the agency's Agencywide Documents Access and Management System (ADAMS). Visit: wba.nrc.gov (simple search on Hyperion Power).
This thing may actually get off the ground.
cool, but it's taken awhile...they have been around for years
64 | Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:33:47pm |
re: #20 albusteve
agreed...vast shifts of wealth and an imposed weakened world economy is not the answer...like you, this is where my interest lie, not in the science
The 'vast shifts of wealth' and an assumed weakening of economies is not an assumed or inherent outcome. However, the adverse impacts of the changing environment will surely affect economies and order of magnitude more than paying more for energy now.
This was a key point of Lomborg but his methodology was called into question.
65 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:35:24pm |
re: #64 BigPapa
The 'vast shifts of wealth' and an assumed weakening of economies is not an assumed or inherent outcome. However, the adverse impacts of the changing environment will surely affect economies and order of magnitude more than paying more for energy now.
This was a key point of Lomborg but his methodology was called into question.
that's all fine and dandy...I could care less about Lomborg...let's move on
66 | b_sharp Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:37:40pm |
re: #65 albusteve
that's all fine and dandy...I could care less about Lomborg...let's move on
We can't move on past Lombourg and his cronies, they've situated themselves between the problem and the solutions. We aren't going to see any solutions enacted until we can move their fat asses out of the way.
67 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:38:40pm |
re: #63 albusteve
cool, but it's taken awhile...they have been around for years
True, but they are based on Nuclear Technology and you know how that sets off the enviro-weenies. I truly believe most of those people would cut their nose off just to spite their face rather than admit that the Science has progressed enough to make such installations not only safe, but affordable.
68 | Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:40:00pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Broker called. We got approved. Now, if the ocean would hold off on rising for another 30 years or so, I'd like to enjoy looking at it from dry ground. 12ft above sea level is close enough.
Hooray!
69 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:40:59pm |
re: #66 b_sharp
We can't move on past Lombourg and his cronies, they've situated themselves between the problem and the solutions. We aren't going to see any solutions enacted until we can move their fat asses out of the way.
go around him, assume that AGW is a national security issue...should not be too hard to do, since in fact, it is...why sit and argue about it for decades?...as we become more self sufficient, money will talk and less carbon pumped into the sky....voila!
70 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:41:48pm |
re: #67 Bubblehead II
True, but they are based on Nuclear Technology and you know how that sets off the enviro-weenies. I truly believe most of those people would cut their nose off just to spite their face rather than admit that the Science has progressed enough to make such installations not only safe, but affordable.
yes, I agree....so fuck them and let's get these things online
71 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:43:04pm |
btw, BEWARE THE ALPHA SPROUTS!
A salmonella outbreak linked to alfalfa sprouts has sickened 89 people in 15 states and the District of Columbia, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday.
72 | Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:46:40pm |
re: #71 Bubblehead II
btw, BEWARE THE ALPHA SPROUTS!
A salmonella outbreak linked to alfalfa sprouts has sickened 89 people in 15 states and the District of Columbia, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday.
Another reason to grow your own, You can sprout them in a jar on you kitchen counter for pennies per serving.
73 | Kronocide Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:47:30pm |
re: #65 albusteve
that's all fine and dandy...I could care less about Lomborg...let's move on
To all the deniers standing the way of actually doing something of merit or worth, I agree: let's move on. The problem is that instead of letting others move on, they're standing in the way of that. One of the ways they are impeding is injecting concepts into the debate about 'adversely impacting economies' or increasing costs, or the shallowest of canards, it's going to harm people in the third world by driving up their energy costs. That's pathetic on the face of it: most in the 3rd world rely very little on energy, growing their own crops by hand, no electricity, plumbing, cars, etc. If electricity or petroleum doubles or triples in price we'll feel it much more than they will.
Anyway, Mrs BigPapa is demanding I help load up presents and the car for our family Xmas trip to Hilo so I must run. The concept that we may harm jobs or energy may cost more is frequently used as a denier meme to slog down or stifle debate, and comments here triggered my response, but I cannot continue a dialog now.
Melekalikimaka!
74 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:49:14pm |
NIMBY
Boxer...no solar generation in the Mohave
Kennedy...no wind generation off Hyannis Port
Reid...no waste storage in Nevada
and there are more
some guy named Lomborg that wrote a book is not the problem...a handful of judges and elected officials are
75 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:54:28pm |
76 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:56:37pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Another reason to grow your own, You can sprout them in a jar on you kitchen counter for pennies per serving.
don't that violate the interstate trading clause or something?
77 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:57:02pm |
re: #76 brookly red
don't that violate the interstate trading clause or something?
Growing vegetables on the kitchen counter?
78 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:57:35pm |
re: #74 albusteve
NIMBY
Boxer...no solar generation in the Mohave
Kennedy...no wind generation off Hyannis Port
Reid...no waste storage in Nevada
and there are more
some guy named Lomborg that wrote a book is not the problem...a handful of judges and elected officials are
can I be a witness...
79 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:58:01pm |
and so it begins...churches asked to pony up
Stanley argues that the fee is actually a property tax, which he says churches, charities and other nonprofits have been exempt from paying.
Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
80 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:58:37pm |
re: #76 brookly red
don't that violate the interstate trading clause or something?
only if they have sugar in them
81 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:59:04pm |
re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist
Growing vegetables on the kitchen counter?
Oh, your right... I am thinking of the food safety bill. Sorry my bad.
82 | CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:59:33pm |
OT: Bad but important news.
83 | Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 4:59:44pm |
New Wingnut Outrage: DADT repeal will offend Muslims, Fuel Terrorism....
Will DADT repeal cause problems for American troops serving in Muslim countries?
Former United States Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Jed Babbin told TheDC that the repeal raises more questions than it answers about America’s ability to execute the War on Terror effectively.
“Can gays serve as military advisers to Muslims?” he asked in an e-mail to TheDC. “What about Provincial Reconstruction Teams in Afghanistan? Will gays be able to be out among the Muslims and how much will that drive Muslims away from the nation-building effort?”
...
Babbin was especially concerned about the propaganda and recruitment value DADT repeal will have for terrorists.“Propaganda that says gays are among (and the propagandists will say they amount to all) the US troops may turn more young Muslims into terrorists than Guantanamo Bay’s prison ever did…..The burden on our guys – to gain confidence and provide security – is increased many-fold by having to overcome the Muslim intolerance of homosexuality,” wrote Babbin to TheDC.
Indeed propaganda is something to keep in mind, according to Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD). Jasser told TheDC that, while the AIFD did not take a position on the repeal of DADT, there is a good probability that jihadi propagandists will likely use the presence of gays in uniform against the United States.
“It will be used in order to paint American secularism as against their Islamic values, so it will be no different than other stereotypes about the West –as being anti-religious, anti-Islam — that have been used in the past to feed the anti-American military propaganda,” Jasser said, noting that the real world impact will be unknown until the policy is actually implemented.
Jasser added that demonstrating cultural openness might be a good thing in the long run.
84 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:00:58pm |
re: #81 brookly red
Oh, your right... I am thinking of the food safety bill. Sorry my bad.
The food safety bill prevents people from sprouting alfalfa sprouts?
85 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:01:08pm |
re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist
Growing vegetables on the kitchen counter?
sure, or in a living room coffee table...water and light are not difficult to provide
86 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:01:35pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
Another reason to grow your own, You can sprout them in a jar on you kitchen counter for pennies per serving.
Or you could go with a commercial unit.
You could recoup your cost in 5-10 "crops" v buying a prepackaged/potentially tainted product. Plus Charles would get a cut. ;-)
87 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:01:37pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
New Wingnut Outrage: DADT repeal will offend Muslims, Fuel Terrorism...
Will DADT repeal cause problems for American troops serving in Muslim countries?
The insane roads this could go down beckon already...
88 | Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:02:32pm |
re: #79 albusteve
and so it begins...churches asked to pony up
Stanley argues that the fee is actually a property tax, which he says churches, charities and other nonprofits have been exempt from paying.Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
C'mon, you can't be really falling for that, can you?
89 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:02:33pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
LOL!...what a reach, some Muslims are already offended by every little thing
90 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:03:41pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
C'mon, you can't be really falling for that, can you?
I'm not falling for anything...just posting the weirdness
91 | Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:04:12pm |
re: #89 albusteve
LOL!...what a reach, some Muslims are already offended by every little thing
They could also make the same argument against letting Jews and Women serve but I suppose they're aware of that.
92 | Charles Johnson Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:04:45pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
New Wingnut Outrage: DADT repeal will offend Muslims, Fuel Terrorism...
Will DADT repeal cause problems for American troops serving in Muslim countries?
Suddenly they're afraid of causing trouble for troops serving in Muslim countries. Irony is dead.
93 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:06:51pm |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
They could also make the same argument against letting Jews and Women serve but I suppose they're aware of that.
sure they are...it's just more fanatical pushback....toss enough poo at a wall, etc
94 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:06:58pm |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
The food safety bill prevents people from sprouting alfalfa sprouts?
No, as long as you file the proper forms, allow inspections & of course declare it as income... no problem.
95 | engineer cat Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:07:21pm |
“Can gays christians serve as military advisers to Muslims?” he asked in an e-mail to TheDC. “What about Provincial Reconstruction Teams in Afghanistan? Will gays christians be able to be out among the Muslims and how much will that drive Muslims away from the nation-building effort?”
96 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:07:48pm |
re: #91 Killgore Trout
They could also make the same argument against letting Jews and Women serve but I suppose they're aware of that.
They could. They could, of course, make the same argument against Christians serving.
It's nonsense, anyway. This guy seriously believes that people who wouldn't have become jihadis will take up arms because gay people can now serve openly? "I was gonna stay home, because they may be the Great Satan, but at least they oppress gay people a little. But now that I know that they've repealed DADT, the gloves are off!"
97 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:08:11pm |
re: #94 brookly red
No, as long as you file the proper forms, allow inspections & of course declare it as income... no problem.
it's not for income...no more than having a garden
98 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:08:41pm |
re: #94 brookly red
No, as long as you file the proper forms, allow inspections & of course declare it as income... no problem.
Hmmmm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be coming for the lady next door's tomatoes momentarily.
99 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:09:18pm |
re: #95 engineer dog
“Can
gayschristians serve as military advisers to Muslims?” he asked in an e-mail to TheDC. “What about Provincial Reconstruction Teams in Afghanistan? Willgayschristians be able to be out among the Muslims and how much will that drive Muslims away from the nation-building effort?”
nation building effort?...now there's a question worth resolving
100 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:09:54pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
They could. They could, of course, make the same argument against Christians serving.
It's nonsense, anyway. This guy seriously believes that people who wouldn't have become jihadis will take up arms because gay people can now serve openly? "I was gonna stay home, because they may be the Great Satan, but at least they oppress gay people a little. But now that I know that they've repealed DADT, the gloves are off!"
well the best thing about the repeal of DADT is that now there is no possible legal argument to oppose ROTC...
101 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:11:39pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be coming for the lady next door's tomatoes momentarily.
and testing your oregano for THC content...bet me
102 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:11:40pm |
103 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:13:27pm |
re: #102 brookly red
yeah so?
so there is no merit for govt intervention...not that it would make a difference...in some places you can go to jail if you bring a Sharpie to school...so who knows
104 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:14:57pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be coming for the lady next door's tomatoes momentarily.
my advice is to get a leg up on the market and start printing "keep your laws off of my tomatoes" t-shirts now and beat the rush...
105 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:17:01pm |
re: #100 brookly red
well the best thing about the repeal of DADT is that now there is no possible legal argument to oppose ROTC...
ROTC is fine, it's those recruiters who get your test scores and who just lie to your face, that's who needs to stop their bullshit.
I'd get together with my nerd friends, and we'd compare and contrast all the hilarious horseshit stories military recruiters would tell us in order to manipulate us into enlisting. I got a bit sick of them after the eleventh time they called my parents' place, my mother eventually just started asking any adult who wanted to talk to me "what branch of the armed forces is wasting my son's time today?" One of them came to my friend's door, UNINVITED. Creepy.
106 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:18:32pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
It never fails, no matter what is going on in the world, no matter what horrors and pressures we're all under, it's always queers at the bottom of it according to these doughy wackos
107 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:19:07pm |
re: #105 WindUpBird
ROTC is fine, it's those recruiters who get your test scores and who just lie to your face, that's who needs to stop their bullshit.
I'd get together with my nerd friends, and we'd compare and contrast all the hilarious horseshit stories military recruiters would tell us in order to manipulate us into enlisting. I got a bit sick of them after the eleventh time they called my parents' place, my mother eventually just started asking any adult who wanted to talk to me "what branch of the armed forces is wasting my son's time today?" One of them came to my friend's door, UNINVITED. Creepy.
My mother talked to one of the recruiters who called me. She thought it was a prank. They didn't try to recruit girls in her day. She kept repeating "Oh, stop being silly. Who is this?" and the poor guy kept saying, "Ma'am, this is the United States Marine Corps."
108 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:19:36pm |
re: #106 WindUpBird
It never fails, no matter what is going on in the world, no matter what horrors and pressures we're all under, it's always queers at the bottom of it according to these doughy wackos
no its usually jooos... so get over it ;)
109 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:19:41pm |
re: #106 WindUpBird
It never fails, no matter what is going on in the world, no matter what horrors and pressures we're all under, it's always queers at the bottom of it according to these doughy wackos
Such is the power of heterosexuality. As long as it's rigorously practiced by all of us, it can fix anything.
110 | Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:19:56pm |
re: #67 Bubblehead II
True, but they are based on Nuclear Technology and you know how that sets off the enviro-weenies. I truly believe most of those people would cut their nose off just to spite their face rather than admit that the Science has progressed enough to make such installations not only safe, but affordable.
Enviro-weenie here. I've got no problem with nukes, as long as they're run by the Navy/DoE and not the Mafia/Con Ed.
111 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:20:05pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
My mother talked to one of the recruiters who called me. She thought it was a prank. They didn't try to recruit girls in her day. She kept repeating "Oh, stop being silly. Who is this?" and the poor guy kept saying, "Ma'am, this is the United States Marine Corps."
ahahahahahah
112 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:21:27pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
My mother talked to one of the recruiters who called me. She thought it was a prank. They didn't try to recruit girls in her day. She kept repeating "Oh, stop being silly. Who is this?" and the poor guy kept saying, "Ma'am, this is the United States Marine Corps."
well usually when they come a callin things are, well you know, uhh broken?
113 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:23:28pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
Hmmm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll be coming for the lady next door's tomatoes momentarily.
No Sarc. We once over planted and sent word out that we had an over abundance of produce and those who wanted it (cucumbers, tomatoes, potatoes, peas, beans,squash) could come over and take what they wanted. First come, first served. Ended up with the cops checking us out as a unlicensed distributor. Once they found out that we were giving it away for free, there was no problem. Hell, they even took some home for their Family. It can happen.
114 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:25:24pm |
re: #112 brookly red
well usually when they come a callin things are, well you know, uhh broken?
I graduated in 1994, they pestered me for ages.
My brother graduated in 1996, they pestered HIm for ages.
My cousin, few years after that, same diff
Nothing's broken, they just saw that I (and certainly SFZ as well) scored in the 99th percentile or whatever for some standardized test, and then we were on the List for the recruiters.
'hey dude who has already applied to art schools and liberal arts colleges who is working professionally in design! Why not end your career and join the marines!"
115 | Killgore Trout Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:25:30pm |
I added some shitakes to the lamb marinade tonight. Time to fire up the Big Green Egg and see how it comes out.
116 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:25:53pm |
re: #113 Bubblehead II
No Sarc. We once over planted and sent word out that we had an over abundance of produce and those who wanted it (cucumbers, tomatoes, potatoes, peas, beans,squash) could come over and take what they wanted. First come, first served. Ended up with the cops checking us out as a unlicensed distributor. Once they found out that we were giving it away for free, there was no problem. Hell, they even took some home for their Family. It can happen.
that should tell you something about our state of affairs regarding business between neighbors....had your kid been selling lemonade, they'd be in prison
117 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:26:01pm |
re: #113 Bubblehead II
No Sarc. We once over planted and sent word out that we had an over abundance of produce and those who wanted it (cucumbers, tomatoes, potatoes, peas, beans,squash) could come over and take what they wanted. First come, first served. Ended up with the cops checking us out as a unlicensed distributor. Once they found out that we were giving it away for free, there was no problem. Hell, they even took some home for their Family. It can happen.
once the camel has his nose in the tent...
118 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:26:40pm |
re: #113 Bubblehead II
No Sarc. We once over planted and sent word out that we had an over abundance of produce and those who wanted it (cucumbers, tomatoes, potatoes, peas, beans,squash) could come over and take what they wanted. First come, first served. Ended up with the cops checking us out as a unlicensed distributor. Once they found out that we were giving it away for free, there was no problem. Hell, they even took some home for their Family. It can happen.
There's a Marge Piercy poem about zucchini (and how much of it you end up with in July), where she mentions that disposing of it in mailboxes is a federal offense.
119 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:27:52pm |
re: #114 WindUpBird
I graduated in 1994, they pestered me for ages.
My brother graduated in 1996, they pestered HIm for ages.
My cousin, few years after that, same diff
Nothing's broken, they just saw that I (and certainly SFZ as well) scored in the 99th percentile or whatever for some standardized test, and then we were on the List for the recruiters.
'hey dude who has already applied to art schools and liberal arts colleges who is working professionally in design! Why not end your career and join the marines!"
yes of course, I did not mean to imply that you were on their level...
120 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:28:00pm |
re: #114 WindUpBird
I graduated in 1994, they pestered me for ages.
My brother graduated in 1996, they pestered HIm for ages.
My cousin, few years after that, same diff
Nothing's broken, they just saw that I (and certainly SFZ as well) scored in the 99th percentile or whatever for some standardized test, and then we were on the List for the recruiters.
'hey dude who has already applied to art schools and liberal arts colleges who is working professionally in design! Why not end your career and join the marines!"
I heard from each branch of the armed forces once or twice, and then they went away...but I think you're some younger than I am, correct? I was getting calls the spring after the first Gulf War.
121 | Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:29:09pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a Marge Piercy poem about zucchini (and how much of it you end up with in July), where she mentions that disposing of it in mailboxes is a federal offense.
I leave excess veggies in plastic bags on the neighbors' doorknobs. Our family calls that "foisting".
122 | CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:29:36pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
New Wingnut Outrage: DADT repeal will offend Muslims, Fuel Terrorism...
Will DADT repeal cause problems for American troops serving in Muslim countries?
Riiight. Because people in Muslim countries have never seen gays before. They don't have gay sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, friends, etc. like we do here.
Besides, we already know there are none in Iran because Ahamadinejad said so (and he would never lie to us).
So far it seems to me that American so-cons are more offended than anyone else.
123 | Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:30:47pm |
re: #121 Decatur Deb
I leave excess veggies in plastic bags on the neighbors' doorknobs. Our family calls that "foisting".
Heard from the Army once, and they weren't asking.
124 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:31:22pm |
re: #116 albusteve
that should tell you something about our state of affairs regarding business between neighbors...had your kid been selling lemonade, they'd be in prison
my friend is the manager for a group home for developmentally disabled people (the same company I used to work for, different home) just got the job a month or so ago. Well, the group home is in a nice and very elderly neighborhood. A couple of the neighbors despise the group home, and despise my manager friend more because he's a bit more into his job, takes the guys on walks, that sort of thing, more visible. Well, we can't have that in this rich neighborhood, right? So this one particularly unhinged Gladys Kravitz type called the cops and the county and said the home was being run as an unlicenced halfway house.
Cops showed up, the county whoever-it-is showed up, badges flashed, paperwork rifled through, the whole house was essentially investigated for no reason, fucking up doctor's appointments, weeks of hoops jumping and shit, all because this lady was disgusted by the disabled being visible across the street from her almost surrealistically manicured lawn.
People !
125 | brookly red Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:32:10pm |
126 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:32:24pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
I heard from each branch of the armed forces once or twice, and then they went away...but I think you're some younger than I am, correct? I was getting calls the spring after the first Gulf War.
I had two guys who would not leave me alone *_* I am 34, I graduated in 94. We watched the first gulf war on CNN in jr. high in my advanced civics classes.
127 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:33:37pm |
re: #126 WindUpBird
I had two guys who would not leave me alone *_* I am 34, I graduated in 94. We watched the first gulf war on CNN in jr. high in my advanced civics classes.
Just three years' difference then.
128 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:34:58pm |
re: #122 CuriousLurker
So far it seems to me that American so-cons are more offended than anyone else.
in the next 50 years I think the real so-con crowd will shrink mightily, but it'll become even more fanatical and rabid. The crazy of the Phelps and the more mainstream creepy of the FRC/FotF, it'll start to converge, i think, as their power wanes.
129 | Bear Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:35:00pm |
Way back in the 1930 era depression, my grandmother tried making cookies for her unemployed brother to sell around the neighborhood. Worked for a while until the "Hungry for money" City Fathers demanded a business license.
130 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:35:51pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
Just three years' difference then.
Still gen X :D In some ways I wish I was juuust a fe wyears older, I missed a lot of concerts for being just under 21, or for being too young to realize all the awesome I was missing ;-)
131 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:36:53pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
my friend is the manager for a group home for developmentally disabled people (the same company I used to work for, different home) just got the job a month or so ago. Well, the group home is in a nice and very elderly neighborhood. A couple of the neighbors despise the group home, and despise my manager friend more because he's a bit more into his job, takes the guys on walks, that sort of thing, more visible. Well, we can't have that in this rich neighborhood, right? So this one particularly unhinged Gladys Kravitz type called the cops and the county and said the home was being run as an unlicenced halfway house.
Cops showed up, the county whoever-it-is showed up, badges flashed, paperwork rifled through, the whole house was essentially investigated for no reason, fucking up doctor's appointments, weeks of hoops jumping and shit, all because this lady was disgusted by the disabled being visible across the street from her almost surrealistically manicured lawn.
People !
funny but sad...it seems that common sense has no role in the everyday affairs of typical folks...I wonder what the judge was thinking when he green lighted this thing...NIMBY is turning out to be a real pain in the ass...and a shout out for you peeps doing that sort of work...good for you
132 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:39:19pm |
re: #128 WindUpBird
in the next 50 years I think the real so-con crowd will shrink mightily, but it'll become even more fanatical and rabid. The crazy of the Phelps and the more mainstream creepy of the FRC/FotF, it'll start to converge, i think, as their power wanes.
precisely why I think the !st Amendment will get dragged through the mud, in those times to come...if Phelps pushes hard enough, strange things could happen....he has his rights too...buckle up for that scenario
133 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:39:19pm |
re: #131 albusteve
funny but sad...it seems that common sense has no role in the everyday affairs of typical folks...I wonder what the judge was thinking when he green lighted this thing...NIMBY is turning out to be a real pain in the ass...and a shout out for you peeps doing that sort of work...good for you
Thanks! It was sort of an awesome and scary and really stressful job all at once, for little money. I basically did drawings on the side during downtime for beer money. But it was a lot of fun, oh the excitement of working with an autistic guy that is strong enough to bench press you *_*
134 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:39:48pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a Marge Piercy poem about zucchini (and how much of it you end up with in July), where she mentions that disposing of it in mailboxes is a federal offense.
DUH! On the other hand the wife has various methods of basically crushing it down into a pulp (freezing it) and using it to make bread (as desired). Wether it be Banana or Zucchini, fresh out of the oven, slathered with butter and (optional) Orange Marmalade it is Heaven on a plate.
135 | CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:40:05pm |
re: #128 WindUpBird
in the next 50 years I think the real so-con crowd will shrink mightily, but it'll become even more fanatical and rabid. The crazy of the Phelps and the more mainstream creepy of the FRC/FotF, it'll start to converge, i think, as their power wanes.
Yeah, I don't see them quietly fading away into obscurity (unfortunately).
136 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:40:42pm |
re: #132 albusteve
precisely why I think the !st Amendment will get dragged through the mud, in those times to come...if Phelps pushes hard enough, strange things could happen...he has his rights too...buckle up for that scenario
Oh i agree, i'm sort of afraid of that guy's ability to always get the cameras on him. I like the biker solution, just let them protest, but block them off with a physical barrier so nobody can see them
Unfortuantely, the media is complicit in that guy's power, they love a kook
137 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:41:04pm |
re: #135 CuriousLurker
Yeah, I don't see them quietly fading away into obscurity (unfortunately).
it'll be like more evil through a smaller hose, the pressure will increase exponentially :P
138 | Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:41:55pm |
re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist
SFZ--I've put up a page with an article from my daughter's writing blog. That article has a reference to another writing contest. How did the nano-novel go?
139 | CuriousLurker Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:42:23pm |
re: #137 WindUpBird
it'll be like more evil through a smaller hose, the pressure will increase exponentially :P
Heh, great description! That one's a keeper. ;o)
140 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:42:41pm |
re: #137 WindUpBird
it'll be like more evil through a smaller hose, the pressure will increase exponentially :P
Till the hose burst and the pressure drops to zero.
141 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:44:32pm |
re: #140 Bubblehead II
Till the hose burst and the pressure drops to zero.
right, and that'll be when they essentially go underground, and what used to be a mainstream so-con lobbying/cultural push is relegated to the same status as Stormfront and World Church of the Creator.
That'll be a while though :/ The Randall terries of this country have a lot of strings they can still pull
142 | albusteve Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:46:59pm |
re: #136 WindUpBird
Oh i agree, i'm sort of afraid of that guy's ability to always get the cameras on him. I like the biker solution, just let them protest, but block them off with a physical barrier so nobody can see them
Unfortuantely, the media is complicit in that guy's power, they love a kook
the MSM...don't count on them to do the right thing....they may be complicit at times...the biker gig is really cool and something that simple might shut down Phelps..as for me, he and his people bring out my worst, aggressive nature...I tell you, I'd love to go full tilt boogie on them....even at 58 I've still got 5 minutes to express my severest wrath
143 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:48:35pm |
re: #141 WindUpBird
And this is something new? Our history is replete with these scenarios.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
144 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:52:05pm |
re: #143 Bubblehead II
And this is something new? Our history is replete with these scenarios.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
I know. ;-) Difference is, i'm party of the group that's the TARGET of these guys. it ain't history, it's happening to us now, and my friends and my friends' friends. So it's a bit closer to home *_*
145 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:54:09pm |
re: #142 albusteve
the MSM...don't count on them to do the right thing...they may be complicit at times...the biker gig is really cool and something that simple might shut down Phelps..as for me, he and his people bring out my worst, aggressive nature...I tell you, I'd love to go full tilt boogie on them...even at 58 I've still got 5 minutes to express my severest wrath
I don't know how much of that guy's church's angle is just crazy, and how much of it is calculatedly trolling people into lawsuits. They seem to have a ton of money to put people on planes :P
146 | ryannon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:55:16pm |
re: #61 albusteve
these things are awesome...they should be all over the place, since, obviously their time has come
[Link: www.hyperionpowergeneration.com...]
Nuclear's time has come and gone. In the meantime, people are starting to power up with comparable cost-effective clean energy sources:
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
147 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:58:29pm |
148 | Bubblehead II Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:05:52pm |
re: #144 WindUpBird
I know. ;-) Difference is, i'm party of the group that's the TARGET of these guys. it ain't history, it's happening to us now, and my friends and my friends' friends. So it's a bit closer to home *_*
Well, would you mind just explaining who you and your friends are? Without that context, I don't have a base from which to comment. As for me
Race/Sex: : White/Male
Religion : Atheist
Relation : Monogamous
Sexual Preference : Bi
Yeah, these assholes want to take me down as well.
Any other questions?
Charles! Smelling Salts around
149 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:25:59pm |
re: #138 Decatur Deb
SFZ--I've put up a page with an article from my daughter's writing blog. That article has a reference to another writing contest. How did the nano-novel go?
Well, I don't know if it's much of a novel, but I got my winner's gadget! It was a really great thing to do this year. I needed to get my head focused on something that wasn't work.
150 | Decatur Deb Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:29:03pm |
re: #149 SanFranciscoZionist
Dau #1 is counting hers as one of her two unpublished novels. What kind of gadget? She just got a print-it-yourself certificate.
151 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:31:00pm |
re: #150 Decatur Deb
Dau #1 is counting hers as one of her two unpublished novels. What kind of gadget? She just got a print-it-yourself certificate.
Yeah, you get a certificate, and then you can download doodads to put on Facebook or a blog to show you won.
152 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:05:04pm |
re: #148 Bubblehead II
Well, would you mind just explaining who you and your friends are? Without that context, I don't have a base from which to comment. As for me
Race/Sex: : White/Male
Religion : Atheist
Relation : Monogamous
Sexual Preference : BiYeah, these assholes want to take me down as well.
Any other questions?
Charles! Smelling Salts around
I am a twiggy white queer male :D