Kentucky Moves Ahead with Tax Breaks for Creationists

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Creationist-friendly officials in Kentucky are moving forward with plans to grant tax breaks to the ridiculous “Ark Encounter” theme park, thereby ensuring the state’s status as a laughingstock for the entire world, for many years to come.

The six-member board voted unanimously to approve the incentives for the Kentucky Speedway in Gallatin County and to give preliminary approval to the Ark Encounter park in Grant County.

The centerpiece of the Ark Encounter park will be a 500- by-75-foot wooden ark, billed as a replica of the biblical Noah’s Ark. The proposed project has garnered national and international attention, with critics questioning whether granting state tax incentives to the project would violate laws separating church and state.

Ya think? Just because the group behind it is a bunch of unreconstructed creationist fanatics who believe Noah’s Ark actually existed, in the real world, exactly as described in the Bible, let’s not rush to judgment.

Cary Summers, the ark park’s lead consultant, told the board the project is expected to create 900 full- and part-time jobs after its completion and probably will draw 1.6 million visitors a year. Summers said the project is privately funded, and the group does not need a bank loan at this time.

In other words, a dismaying number of people are handing over their hard-earned cash to these charlatans, one way or another.

Summers declined to name the investors. The Answers in Genesis group, which started the Creation Museum that opened in Petersburg in May 2007, will handle daily operations of the park, which will include live and animatronic animals, a replica of the Tower of Babel, an amphitheater and a children’s play area.

Think maybe Answers in Genesis has something to do with the investors Mr. Summers “declined to name?” Nah, couldn’t be. Pay no attention to the huge plug for Ark Encounter on their home page.

Summers said after Monday’s meeting the investors were not connected to a similar biblical-themed park in Tennessee that never materialized.

Those were some other rube-fleecing unnamed hucksters.

Backers of the project say they think the Ark Encounter will be a success in large part because of the Creation Museum’s success. The museum has attracted nearly 1 million visitors since it opened in 2007, officials with Answers in Genesis have said.

Summers said the group’s data show “there is a high, high interest in this subject matter.”

Did I already use the word “dismaying?”

Summers said the group is looking at the possibility of employing Amish carpenters from Kentucky to help build the Ark.

I wonder how many Amish carpenters Noah needed to help build the original Ark?

Oh, that’s right — don’t be silly. There weren’t any Amish people back then. Just goats and chickens and lions and lambs and snails and birds and vegetarian dinosaurs.

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420 comments
1 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:31:33pm

oh boy...this should be a good one
Heinlein must be laughing his ass off

2 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:33:56pm

/facepalm

3 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:35:25pm

Amish carpenters?

4 Gsparky  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:35:45pm

So, let me get this straight. The Creation Museum has been so popular that it has attracted 1 million since 2007. If we include the end years (2007 & 2010), that's 4 years. That's a quarter-mil per year. Yet, somehow the "Ark Park" is going to be so mind-blowingly beyond belief (heh) that it will attract over 6 times that many?

5 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:36:29pm

re: #3 SanFranciscoZionist

Amish carpenters?

just imagine the shit storm if the wanted a Jewish carpenter ;)

6 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:38:23pm
Cary Summers, the ark park’s lead consultant, told the board the project is expected to create 900 full- and part-time jobs after its completion


I think Ken Ham already inflated that jobs estimate to more than 2,000.

7 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:38:33pm

What a crock of bullshit.

8 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:41:05pm

re: #4 Gsparky

So, let me get this straight. The Creation Museum has been so popular that it has attracted 1 million since 2007. If we include the end years (2007 & 2010), that's 4 years. That's a quarter-mil per year. Yet, somehow the "Ark Park" is going to be so mind-blowingly beyond belief (heh) that it will attract over 6 times that many?

no problemo, rent it out for political speeches/fund raisers... sheesh marketing 101 dude.

9 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:41:23pm

From the vegetarian dinasaurs link.

Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved from some reptile that had originally evolved from amphibians. But they cannot point to any clear transitional (in-between) forms to substantiate their argument. Dinosaur family trees in evolutionary books show many distinct types of dinosaurs, but only hypothetical lines join them up to some common ancestor. The lines are dotted because there is no fossil evidence. Evolutionists simply cannot prove their belief in a nondinosaur ancestor for dinosaurs.

LOL! You're in trouble when you have to explain the word "transitional!"

10 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:42:09pm

I would like to see the math behind being able to fit 2 of every species on Earth, with supplies to last 40 days, inside the dimensions they project for the Ark.

11 Obdicut  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:44:26pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would like to see the math behind being able to fit 2 of every species on Earth, with supplies to last 40 days, inside the dimensions they project for the Ark.

Not 2. Two pairs of all the unclean species, and 7 of all the clean ones.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.

12 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:44:45pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But didn't Noah take 7 pair of "clean" animals and only 1 pair of the rest?

13 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:45:00pm

A penguin in the Garden of Eden, Oh really?

Some creation science signage:

"Before man's Fall, animals were vegetarians. In a "very good" creation, no animal would die, so there were no carnivores. All the beasts of the earth, not just the "beasts of the field" that God brought to Adam to name, ate only plants.
14 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:45:09pm

re: #11 Obdicut

Beat me to it!

15 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:45:37pm

re: #11 Obdicut

re: #12 calochortus

I'm spotty on middle eastern mythology.

16 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:46:12pm

The six-member board voted unanimously to approve the incentives for the Kentucky Speedway in Gallatin County and to give preliminary approval to the Ark Encounter park in Grant County

so getting the tax breaks and incentives for my dinosaur racing track and faith based betting parlor will be a breeze at this rate

17 Stanghazi  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:46:13pm

I cannot help but go back to that stupid Steve Carrell movie.

This is just ridiculous. And really, an embarrassment.

18 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:46:28pm

re: #11 Obdicut

One of the signs at that link I posted hints at how they're dealing with that; the horses got a lot bigger after they disembarked.

19 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:46:44pm

We should scrap the whole fucking tax code, state and federal. Give, don't give, buy a house, don't buy a house, go to college, don't go to college......... lets get out of the business of trying to modify peoples behavior and just fund government.

PS i misspelled fucking and spell check corrected me!!!!

20 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:47:22pm

re: #10 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would like to see the math behind being able to fit 2 of every species on Earth, with supplies to last 40 days, inside the dimensions they project for the Ark.

hmmm, they might look like the numbers for social security....

21 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:47:29pm

re: #12 calochortus

But didn't Noah take 7 pair of "clean" animals and only 1 pair of the rest?

by the way - do dinosaurs chew the cud or clove the hoof?

22 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:48:04pm

re: #18 jaunte

One of the signs at that link I posted hints at how they're dealing with that; the horses got a lot bigger after they disembarked.

So, transitional generations do occur!!!

23 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:49:16pm

re: #16 engineer dog

The six-member board voted unanimously to approve the incentives for the Kentucky Speedway in Gallatin County and to give preliminary approval to the Ark Encounter park in Grant County

so getting the tax breaks and incentives for my dinosaur racing track and faith based betting parlor will be a breeze at this rate

wow...no dissenters

24 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:49:23pm

But apparently, from the lovely dioramas, sheep stayed about the same size, as did the penguins. Why did only horses evolve? Inquiring minds want to know.

25 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:50:09pm

re: #19 compound Idaho

We should scrap the whole fucking tax code, state and federal. Give, don't give, buy a house, don't buy a house, go to college, don't go to college... lets get out of the business of trying to modify peoples behavior and just fund government.

PS i misspelled fucking and spell check corrected me!!!

sign me up

26 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:50:19pm

re: #21 engineer dog

by the way - do dinosaurs chew the cud or clove the hoof?

Eat the ungulate cud and all, spit out the hooves.

27 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:50:20pm

re: #24 calochortus

And what was the sin of the vegetarian dinos?

28 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:51:03pm

re: #24 calochortus

But apparently, from the lovely dioramas, sheep stayed about the same size, as did the penguins. Why did only horses evolve? Inquiring minds want to know.

many people ride horses... only some people ride sheep.

29 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:52:05pm

re: #27 jaunte

And what was the sin of the vegetarian dinos?

3 strikes, vegan police got called in.

30 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:53:49pm

re: #27 jaunte

And what was the sin of the vegetarian dinos?

No, no! It was our sin that made everything go bad, 'cause its all about us. Try to pay attention.

31 abolitionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:53:51pm

I once had an autographed copy of Dinosaurs of Eden by Ken Ham --a gift from a friend who's invited me to a local Answers in Genesis seminar several years back. Ken Ham was one of several speakers. Another was David Barton of WallBuilders. The book was intended for my daughters, but I dispatched it to the county landfill.

32 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:54:46pm

re: #28 brookly red

many people ride horses... only some people ride sheep.

But if they had gotten bigger, we could have ridden sheep, just like horses.

33 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:55:06pm

re: #31 abolitionist

I once had an autographed copy of Dinosaurs of Eden by Ken Ham --a gift from a friend who's invited me to a local Answers in Genesis seminar several years back. Ken Ham was one of several speakers. Another was David Barton of WallBuilders. The book was intended for my daughters, but I dispatched it to the county landfill.

Should have kept it. You could apparently have made a bundle selling it to idiots.

34 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:56:13pm

re: #28 brookly red

many people ride horses... only some people ride sheep.

Pueblo children rode sheep during festivals, for competition and fun...goats too

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:58:22pm

"Hmm... let's see. Feed the poor. Build a ridiculous, multi-million dollar theme park."

"Feed the poor...
Theme park..."

"Aw, fuck the poor, let's sink a ton of cash into the dumbest theme park every!"

36 abolitionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:59:04pm

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Should have kept it. You could apparently have made a bundle selling it to idiots.

Thanks, but I'm quite enough of a packrat already.

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:59:23pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #12 calochortus

I'm spotty on middle eastern mythology.

Read up, dude.

38 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 5:59:32pm

re: #32 calochortus

re: #34 albusteve

/yeah well I ain't riding something named Lambchop in to battle.

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:00:05pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

What a crock of bullshit.

I hear they're gonna keep the crocs in a part of the ark separate from the bullshit.

40 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:00:14pm

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

"Hmm... let's see. Feed the poor. Build a ridiculous, multi-million dollar theme park."

"Feed the poor...
Theme park..."

"Aw, fuck the poor, let's sink a ton of cash into the dumbest theme park every!"

41 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:00:24pm

re: #34 albusteve

Pueblo children rode sheep during festivals, for competition and fun...goats too

Those were probably War Sheep:
Image: war-sheep-sheep-fucked-demotivational-poster-1221725287.jpg

42 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:00:56pm

re: #38 brookly red

re: #34 albusteve

/yeah well I ain't riding something named Lambchop in to battle.

I don't know, reducing the opposing army to helpless laughter could be a strategy...

43 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:01:17pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Read up, dude.

Does Raptor Jesus count?

44 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:02:53pm

re: #38 brookly red

re: #34 albusteve

/yeah well I ain't riding something named Lambchop in to battle.

What? You never heard of a Battlesheep before?

45 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:04:47pm

my new bumper sticker...
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

46 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:05:02pm

re: #44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What? You never heard of a Battlesheep before?

As in "You sunk my Battlesheep?"

47 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:05:08pm

re: #42 calochortus

I don't know, reducing the opposing army to helpless laughter could be a strategy...

well as Sherman said: " hahahaha, kill the fuckers."

48 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:06:11pm

re: #46 Mr Pancakes

As in "You sunk my Battlesheep?"

Exactly.

Where do you think steel wool comes from?

You've got to think, people.

49 stevemcg  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:06:53pm

I love to ask the literalists where all the water went when the flood was over.

50 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:07:01pm

A huge source of income for these people is the fundamentalist Christian home-schooling market. They're peddling this mind-rot to an appalling number of American kids.

51 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:07:17pm

re: #46 Mr Pancakes

As in "You sunk my Battlesheep?"

no one expected the eww boat...

52 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:07:38pm

re: #49 stevemcg

I love to ask the literalists where all the water went when the flood was over.

Poured over the edge. The world was flat then.

53 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:08:26pm

re: #45 albusteve

Nice!

54 stevemcg  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:08:28pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

Poured over the edge. The world was flat then.

Never ever got an answer, but that's about the best one could do.

55 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:08:38pm

re: #51 brookly red

no one expected the eww boat...

Rolled my eyes, reluctant upding.

56 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:09:50pm

re: #51 brookly red

no one expected the eww boat...

It got rammed!

57 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:09:58pm

re: #55 ozbloke

Rolled my eyes, reluctant upding.

Hard to port! give me ramming speed!

58 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:10:32pm

re: #49 stevemcg

I love to ask the literalists where all the water went when the flood was over.

Actually, I think I heard an answer years ago. As I recall the water came from a "water canopy" that had been floating around overhead, and drained away into the interior of the earth.

59 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:10:32pm

re: #56 Floral Giraffe

It got rammed!

by 8 seconds... damn!

60 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:11:20pm

re: #50 Charles

A huge source of income for these people is the fundamentalist Christian home-schooling market. They're peddling this mind-rot to an appalling number of American kids.

And they're also using it to fund their own colleges because they can't get into real ones.

61 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:11:21pm

re: #59 brookly red

by 8 seconds... damn!

You're baahd!

62 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:11:25pm

Ah, dinner is ready-and I didn't even have to make it myself.

BBL

63 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:12:25pm

re: #61 Floral Giraffe

You're baahd!

Baaahd to the booone...

64 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:13:04pm

re: #62 calochortus

Ah, dinner is ready-and I didn't even have to make it myself.

BBL

Ahhh..... that's code for pre-packaged microwavable food.

65 KingKenrod  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:13:16pm

re: #58 calochortus

Actually, I think I heard an answer years ago. As I recall the water came from a "water canopy" that had been floating around overhead, and drained away into the interior of the earth.

I've read about that...this alleged "water canopy" is also responsible for carving out the Grand Canyon and effecting the rate of decay in radioactive isotopes...

66 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:13:37pm

re: #63 brookly red

Baaahd to the booone...

yup...

67 KingKenrod  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:13:45pm

re: #65 KingKenrod

I've read about that...this alleged "water canopy" is also responsible for carving out the Grand Canyon and effecting the rate of decay in radioactive isotopes...

"affecting", rather...

68 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:14:36pm

re: #65 KingKenrod

I've read about that...this alleged "water canopy" is also responsible for carving out the Grand Canyon and effecting the rate of decay in radioactive isotopes...

what... I thought it was just an amenity in Jersey motels...

69 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:15:17pm

re: #66 albusteve

yup...

[Video]

I was hoping someone would... I am glad it was you.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:17:06pm

re: #21 engineer dog

by the way - do dinosaurs chew the cud or clove the hoof?

Reptiles in general are trayf.

71 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:18:19pm

re: #69 brookly red

I was hoping someone would... I am glad it was you.

ya gotta have some George once in a while

72 blueraven  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:19:12pm

Beside the sheer stupidity of this thing, I would think real Christians would have a problem with a freaking theme park based on the Bible story. I can see all the little cheap trinkets for sale at ridiculous prices to the little kiddies now. It is offensive...And Jesus wept.

73 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:19:30pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

Reptiles in general are trayf.

They maybe trayf...... but turtle tacos are mighty tasty.

74 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:20:48pm

re: #73 Mr Pancakes

They maybe trayf... but turtle tacos are mighty tasty.

Eat them before they eat you.

Image: Man%27s%20Life,%20May%201957.%20Cover%20by%20Will%20Hulsey%20-%20www.MensPulpMags-8x6.jpg

75 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:21:02pm

re: #73 Mr Pancakes

They maybe trayf... but turtle tacos are mighty tasty.

"It had blue and yellow stripes, and such magnificent hams—thick as your thumb ... "
-Canticle for Leibowitz

76 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:21:19pm

re: #73 Mr Pancakes

They maybe trayf... but turtle tacos are mighty tasty.

tacos? no soup... I God had not meant for them to be soup why do they come in a bowl?

77 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:21:34pm

re: #72 blueraven

Beside the sheer stupidity of this thing, I would think real Christians would have a problem with a freaking theme park based on the Bible story. I can see all the little cheap trinkets for sale at ridiculous prices to the little kiddies now. It is offensive...And Jesus wept.

it's not offensive...it's the epitome of American capitalism...I wonder what choices you'll have with the penny rolling machines?

78 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:22:31pm

re: #75 Decatur Deb

"It had blue and yellow stripes, and such magnificent hams—thick as your thumb ... "
-Canticle for Leibowitz

They have em just down the street from me...... they are good.

79 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:23:37pm

re: #73 Mr Pancakes

Turtles all the way down!

80 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:24:13pm
81 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:25:01pm

OK, I'm confused. I'm now watching the Black Adder Series 4 for the first time, the WWI one.

They talk about Charlie Chaplin's movies. Did Chaplin have films out during WWI? I'm looking at his website now, and the first one seems to be 1921.

82 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:26:25pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'm confused. I'm now watching the Black Adder Series 4 for the first time, the WWI one.

They talk about Charlie Chaplin's movies. Did Chaplin have films out during WWI? I'm looking at his website now, and the first one seems to be 1921.

I don't think Chaplin came out that early...artistic license?

83 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:26:39pm

Kentucky receives far too much federal funding. Time for them to start paying their fair share.

84 engineer cat  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:26:54pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'm confused. I'm now watching the Black Adder Series 4 for the first time, the WWI one.

They talk about Charlie Chaplin's movies. Did Chaplin have films out during WWI? I'm looking at his website now, and the first one seems to be 1921.

chaplin was making movies from about 1914

85 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:27:03pm

He just wants a hug!
/Creationist
Image: velociraptor_1.jpg

86 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:27:20pm

re: #50 Charles

A huge source of income for these people is the fundamentalist Christian home-schooling market. They're peddling this mind-rot to an appalling number of American kids.

With special discounts:
[Link: docs.google.com...]

87 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:27:33pm

re: #82 albusteve

I don't think Chaplin came out that early...artistic license?

I had an artistic license... got yanked for reckless drawing :(

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:27:48pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'm confused. I'm now watching the Black Adder Series 4 for the first time, the WWI one.

They talk about Charlie Chaplin's movies. Did Chaplin have films out during WWI? I'm looking at his website now, and the first one seems to be 1921.

Oh, he did. Interesting.

89 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:27:53pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

Kentucky receives far too much federal funding. Time for them to start paying their fair share.

tax pot then...they'd be dumping money on the feds like rain

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:28:03pm

re: #84 engineer dog

chaplin was making movies from about 1914

Thanks. I had no idea.

91 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:28:07pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

From the vegetarian dinasaurs link.

Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved from some reptile that had originally evolved from amphibians. But they cannot point to any clear transitional (in-between) forms to substantiate their argument. Dinosaur family trees in evolutionary books show many distinct types of dinosaurs, but only hypothetical lines join them up to some common ancestor. The lines are dotted because there is no fossil evidence. Evolutionists simply cannot prove their belief in a nondinosaur ancestor for dinosaurs.

LOL! You're in trouble when you have to explain the word "transitional!"

There's those troublesome gaps in the fossil record, again.
/

92 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:28:58pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

Kentucky receives far too much federal funding. Time for them to start paying their fair share.

Q. why is it so dark in here?
A. Kentucky embargoed our coal.

93 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:29:33pm

re: #87 brookly red

I had an artistic license... got yanked for reckless drawing :(

2 pts

94 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:29:34pm

re: #72 blueraven

Beside the sheer stupidity of this thing, I would think real Christians would have a problem with a freaking theme park based on the Bible story. I can see all the little cheap trinkets for sale at ridiculous prices to the little kiddies now. It is offensive...And Jesus wept.

Exactly right. Fundamentalists cry about Piss Christ but have no problem exploiting their religious figures for oh I don't know a waterslide.

95 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:30:49pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I had no idea.

that is very early...I did not know that

96 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:30:58pm

re: #94 Amory Blaine

Exactly right. Fundamentalists cry about Piss Christ but have no problem exploiting their religious figures for oh I don't know a waterslide.

I could see the connection if it was a urine waterslide.
/

97 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:31:49pm

re: #92 brookly red

Q. why is it so dark in here?
A. Kentucky embargoed our coal.

Yawn.

98 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:31:53pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

LOL! You're in trouble when you have to explain the word "transitional!"

There's those troublesome gaps in the fossil record, again.
/

turnabout is fair play

99 reine.de.tout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:31:56pm

re: #72 blueraven

Beside the sheer stupidity of this thing, I would think real Christians would have a problem with a freaking theme park based on the Bible story. I can see all the little cheap trinkets for sale at ridiculous prices to the little kiddies now. It is offensive...And Jesus wept.

I'm a real Christian, and what I really have a problem with is the way these folks refuse to honor God by their refusal to use the brains He gave us to fully understand and appreciate the complexity of the world and our lives.

100 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:32:47pm

re: #92 brookly red

Q. why is it so dark in here?
A. Kentucky embargoed our coal.

Q. Why are we in the red?!
A. You stopped exporting coal, stoopid!
:P

101 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:33:16pm

re: #98 albusteve

LOL! You're in trouble when you have to explain the word "transitional!"

There's those troublesome gaps in the fossil record, again.
/

turnabout is fair play

We don' need no Tranzi Prog fossils.

102 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:33:29pm

re: #98 albusteve

LOL! You're in trouble when you have to explain the word "transitional!"

There's those troublesome gaps in the fossil record, again.
/

turnabout is fair play

Man... I was raised Christian and I can never ever remember them telling me dinosaurs were on the ark. This must be new doctrine.

103 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:33:35pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I'm confused. I'm now watching the Black Adder Series 4 for the first time, the WWI one.

They talk about Charlie Chaplin's movies. Did Chaplin have films out during WWI? I'm looking at his website now, and the first one seems to be 1921.

The Tramp came out in 1914

104 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:33:41pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

Yawn.

remember that when California comes a knocking...

105 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:34:29pm

re: #104 brookly red

remember that when California comes a knocking...

Yabbutt..... I don't think we use coal here for anything.

106 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:34:37pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

We don' need no Tranzi Prog fossils.

must. not. make. Barney Frank. joke...

107 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:34:37pm

re: #104 brookly red

remember that when California comes a knocking...

Yeah. Kentucky could send some of that excess federal tax money to California.

108 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:35:11pm

re: #107 Amory Blaine

Yeah. Kentucky could send some of that excess federal tax money to California.

Why? We'd just waste it.

109 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:35:45pm

re: #108 Mr Pancakes

Why? We'd just waste it.

Yeah and Kentucky spends it so well.

110 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:36:27pm

re: #105 Mr Pancakes

Yabbutt... I don't think we use coal here for anything.

no but the person I was addressing was suggesting that Kentucky got to much fed money... I say that is a dangerous path.

111 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:37:47pm

re: #105 Mr Pancakes

Yabbutt... I don't think we use coal here for anything.

Now if they threaten a fried chicken embargo...

112 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:38:09pm

re: #110 brookly red

no but the person I was addressing was suggesting that Kentucky got to much fed money... I say that is a dangerous path.

Perhaps but if Kentucky wasn't swimming in federal tax money, they might be less arrogant as to flaunt their stupidity to the world.

113 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:38:27pm

re: #109 Amory Blaine

Yeah and Kentucky spends it so well.

I could be wrong.... but I don't think they rank up there with wasting money like we do...... we should have elected Jerry Brown as a symbolic king not governor ..... I feel for the guy.

114 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:38:34pm

I'm gonna see if I can get a tax break to build a Satanic Theme Park in Kentucky...

115 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:38:38pm

re: #109 Amory Blaine

Yeah and Kentucky spends it so well.

how do they misspend their money?...on what?

116 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:39:05pm

re: #115 albusteve

how do they misspend their money?...on what?

On tax breaks for creationist theme parks for one.

117 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:39:21pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

I'm gonna see if I can get a tax break to build a Satanic Theme Park in Kentucky...

That would be Louisville on Derby Day.

118 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:39:28pm

re: #89 albusteve

Hear that argument frequently RE: Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana. Tell you what, the Feds own 60% of the State of Idaho, they are not picking up 60% of the tab.

119 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:39:36pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

I'm gonna see if I can get a tax break to build a Satanic Theme Park in Kentucky...

I call dibs on the Lake of Fire chili and BBQ concession.

120 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:40:06pm

re: #112 Amory Blaine

Perhaps but if Kentucky wasn't swimming in federal tax money, they might be less arrogant as to flaunt their stupidity to the world.

yeah whatever, let's just dump the fed & let every state fend for it self...

121 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:41:26pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

On tax breaks for creationist theme parks for one.

they will get that back in spades according to attendance projections...CA pales before any other state in terms of unfunded perks

122 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:41:52pm

re: #120 brookly red

yeah whatever, let's just dump the fed & let every state fend for it self...

Cool, CA can quit paying the lion's share of maintenance on the US nuclear arsenal and keep it for ourselves.

123 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:42:17pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

On tax breaks for creationist theme parks for one.

Well...... if the crazies go there in droves it was a smart investment.

124 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:42:41pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't leave me with Rick Perry.

125 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:42:50pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool, CA can quit paying the lion's share of maintenance on the US nuclear arsenal and keep it for ourselves.

you would just have to sell it to China to cover your pensions...

126 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:44:06pm

re: #121 albusteve

they will get that back in spades according to attendance projections...CA pales before any other state in terms of unfunded perks

Got your yearly pass already?

127 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:44:19pm

re: #118 compound Idaho

Hear that argument frequently RE: Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana. Tell you what, the Feds own 60% of the State of Idaho, they are not picking up 60% of the tab.

NM collects quite a bit from the feds, but they own or control vast amounts of land and technology...and there is only a couple million people here

128 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:44:26pm

re: #125 brookly red

you would just have to sell it to China to cover your pensions...

Why would we sell the money we keep?

129 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:46:47pm

re: #126 Amory Blaine

Got your yearly pass already?

no, why?...do you?

130 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:46:58pm

2004: Cost of Nuclear Weapons (most recent) by state

# 1 California: $2,139,150,000.00
# 2 New York: $1,396,414,000.00
# 3 Texas: $1,347,589,000.00
# 4 Illinois: $929,763,000.00
# 5 Florida: $814,120,000.00

131 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:47:10pm

re: #110 brookly red

Heck, our new senator, Rand Paul, thinks we get too much federal money.

132 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:47:24pm

re: #129 albusteve

no, why?...do you?

I'll just go for the day. Maybe two if the slides are kick ass.

133 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:47:59pm

re: #129 albusteve

no, why?...do you?

I would if it included Dollywood as a package deal.

134 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:48:26pm

re: #122 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cool, CA can quit paying the lion's share of maintenance on the US nuclear arsenal and keep it for ourselves.

why is CA paying for that?

135 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:49:10pm

re: #134 albusteve

why is CA paying for that?

Our tax dollars at work.

137 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:49:38pm

re: #134 albusteve

why is CA paying for that?

so they don't get invade...

never mind.

138 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:50:09pm

re: #137 brookly red

so they don't get invade...

never mind.

Well, that certainly backfired.
///

139 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:51:29pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2004: Cost of Nuclear Weapons (most recent) by state

# 1 California: $2,139,150,000.00
# 2 New York: $1,396,414,000.00
# 3 Texas: $1,347,589,000.00
# 4 Illinois: $929,763,000.00
# 5 Florida: $814,120,000.00

population based numbers...get rid of all the illegal immigrants and the cost will crash

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:52:12pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

2004: Cost of Nuclear Weapons (most recent) by state

# 1 California: $2,139,150,000.00
# 2 New York: $1,396,414,000.00
# 3 Texas: $1,347,589,000.00
# 4 Illinois: $929,763,000.00
# 5 Florida: $814,120,000.00

That's an awful lot of money.

141 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:52:50pm

re: #49 stevemcg

I love to ask the literalists where all the water went when the flood was over.

I think it all went into outer space, or something.

142 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:53:02pm

re: #136 jaunte

Beshear doesn't care if they put unicorns on the Ark, he's supporting this because he's running for reelection and it promises to create a lot of jobs. Beshear is no favorite of the fundies, he ran for governor on a platform of legalizing casino gambling.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:53:43pm

re: #139 albusteve

population based numbers...get rid of all the illegal immigrants and the cost will crash

Nukes will be less expensive if we get rid of all the illegal immigrants?

144 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:53:56pm

re: #141 Slumbering Behemoth

I think it all went into outer space, or something.

I think it just went to California, but I could be wrong...

145 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:54:02pm

re: #142 aagcobb

Maybe they'll expand the offerings at the park if they get a lot of traffic.

146 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:54:17pm

re: #139 albusteve

population based numbers...get rid of all the illegal immigrants and the cost will crash

You might be right.........

48. Maine: $1,207
49. Alaska: $413.00
50. Hawaii: $2.30

147 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:54:37pm

re: #142 aagcobb

Beshear doesn't care if they put unicorns on the Ark, he's supporting this because he's running for reelection and it promises to create a lot of jobs. Beshear is no favorite of the fundies, he ran for governor on a platform of legalizing casino gambling.

Something has to replace the income from tobacco.

148 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:54:45pm
A dismaying number of people are handing over cash to these charlatans.

A fact that I've been lamenting for years.

149 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:55:22pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

Nukes will be less expensive if we get rid of all the illegal immigrants?

less expensive to Californians...not in general...the largest populations spend the most money

150 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:56:27pm

re: #144 brookly red

I think it just went to California, but I could be wrong...

Jebus, but there has been some nasty weather in So Cal lately. Arizona has been experiencing some mud slides as well.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:57:31pm

re: #147 Charles

Something has to replace the income from tobacco.

*Ahem*

152 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:57:36pm

re: #150 Slumbering Behemoth

Jebus, but there has been some nasty weather in So Cal lately. Arizona has been experiencing some mud slides as well.

Yeah, I have never heard of mud slides in Arizona before...

153 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:57:43pm

re: #64 Mr Pancakes

Ahhh... that's code for pre-packaged microwavable food.

Actually that's code for a husband who knows how to cook-and does fairly frequently. :-)

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:58:11pm

re: #149 albusteve

less expensive to Californians...not in general...the largest populations spend the most money

They also pay the most taxes.

155 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:58:53pm

re: #147 Charles

Unfortunately, Kentucky is too SoCon to legalize casino gambling or medical marijuana, so we're left with trying to fleece the faithful.

156 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:59:29pm

re: #152 brookly red

Yeah, I have never heard of mud slides in Arizona before...

Flooding, mudslides, or something. They got pounded pretty good though.

157 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 6:59:46pm

re: #146 Mr Pancakes

You might be right...

48. Maine: $1,207
49. Alaska: $413.00
50. Hawaii: $2.30

Hawaii has at least 1 illegal immigrant!!!

158 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:00:19pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

They also pay the most taxes.

lots of wealthy people out there, and very high cost of living...that's no surprise...think of the taxes New Yorkers pay who live in Manhattan

159 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:00:25pm

re: #153 calochortus

Actually that's code for a husband who knows how to cook-and does fairly frequently. :-)

I was just joking man........ I too know how to cook, but my wife and kid may disagree.

160 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:00:27pm

re: #157 Amory Blaine

Hawaii has at least 1 illegal immigrant!!!

Ohhh don't tempt me ;)

161 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:00:42pm

Kentucky moves from destroying lungs to destroying minds. One organ to another.

162 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:01:07pm

re: #155 aagcobb

Unfortunately, Kentucky is too SoCon to legalize casino gambling or medical marijuana, so we're left with trying to fleece the faithful.

fleecing is fleecing

163 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:01:25pm

re: #161 Charles

Kentucky moves from destroying lungs to destroying minds. One organ to another.

Sounds like a great state slogan.

164 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:01:30pm

re: #161 Charles

Don't forget we are also destroying the environment with coal!

165 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:01:56pm

re: #160 brookly red

Ohhh don't tempt me ;)

Easy there big guy.....

166 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:02:08pm

re: #161 Charles

Kentucky moves from destroying lungs to destroying minds. One organ to another.

The Brain? That is my second favorite organ!

167 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:02:10pm

I'd like go troll this park.
Anyone want to tag along???
:)

168 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:02:46pm

re: #161 Charles

Kentucky moves from destroying lungs to destroying minds. One organ to another.


Rand Paul!

169 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:03:00pm

re: #161 Charles

Kentucky moves from destroying lungs to destroying minds. One organ to another.

They've been going after the liver and kidneys for quite some time as well.

170 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:03:40pm

I picked up the smoking habit after moving to San Francisco, California. Specifically from hanging out with this gay couple.

171 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:03:49pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

I'd like go troll this park.
Anyone want to tag along???
:)

Image: evolution_is_just_a_theory_trollcat.jpg

172 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:04:31pm

re: #158 albusteve

lots of wealthy people out there, and very high cost of living...that's no surprise...think of the taxes New Yorkers pay who live in Manhattan

I'd rather remove my eyeballs with a rusty knife than live in Manhattan...... never mind the taxes.

173 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:04:50pm

re: #168 Killgore Trout

Rand Paul!

"I'm going to pass on the age of the Earth. I'm just going to have to pass."

174 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:04:57pm

Shitakes in the lamb marinade is fantastic. That's a keeper.

175 aagcobb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:05:11pm

re: #170 Gus 802

I picked up the smoking habit after moving to San Francisco, California. Specifically from hanging out with this gay couple.

Are gays heavy smokers? I know strippers are, only ever met one who didn't smoke.

176 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:05:24pm

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

Whiskey, horse racing, and tobacco. That is what is right with America!

177 Charles Johnson  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:05:27pm

Rachel Maddow's segment on Haley Barbour's connections to the Council of Conservative Citizens was great. It's no wonder Barbour apologizes for these people.

They were the town leaders in the 60s and 70s under the name "Citizens' Councils," and before that as the "White Citizens' Councils," and it's pretty clear that they still have a lot of influence in the South.

178 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth

They've been going after the liver and kidneys for quite some time as well.

and shine is more popular than ever, making a comeback
[Link: news.nationalpost.com...]

179 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:06:05pm

re: #170 Gus 802

I picked up the smoking habit after moving to San Francisco, California. Specifically from hanging out with this gay couple.

Was that you at Hamburger Mary's?

180 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:06:20pm

re: #175 aagcobb

Are gays heavy smokers? I know strippers are, only ever met one who didn't smoke.

well that is enlightening...

181 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:06:21pm

re: #172 Mr Pancakes

I'd rather remove my eyeballs with a rusty knife than live in Manhattan... never mind the taxes.

I couldn't live there for long...great city to visit tho

182 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:06:32pm

re: #175 aagcobb

Are gays heavy smokers? I know strippers are, only ever met one who didn't smoke.

Heck I don't know. Used to be that dancers smoked a lot back in the old days. Models would also smoke a lot.

183 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:06:44pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

I'd like go troll this park.
Anyone want to tag along???
:)

We could wear those Cradle of Filth T-shirts that declare "Jesus is a...", well, not gonna type that last word.

Anyway, we could wear those and see how badly beaten we get.

184 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:06:45pm

re: #159 Mr Pancakes

Its good to have those survival skills.
My husband is a good cook, but with just the two of us at home he's kind of lost his nerve on cooking for larger groups. The big stuff-like Christmas Eve dinner falls to me, though he's happy to help. It all works out.

185 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:07:20pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Shitakes in the lamb marinade is fantastic. That's a keeper.

Shitcakes?

186 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:07:58pm

re: #181 albusteve

I couldn't live there for long...great city to visit tho

Been there......

187 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:08:06pm

re: #185 Mr Pancakes

Shitcakes?

'Shrroooms!

188 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:08:14pm

re: #176 compound Idaho

Whiskey, horse racing, and tobacco. That is what is right with America!

You left out hookers and blackjack tables, but three outta five ain't bad.

189 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:08:16pm

re: #184 calochortus

Its good to have those survival skills.
My husband is a good cook, but with just the two of us at home he's kind of lost his nerve on cooking for larger groups. The big stuff-like Christmas Eve dinner falls to me, though he's happy to help. It all works out.

in my family, the men make the dressing and cook the turkeys

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:08:23pm

re: #99 reine.de.tout

I'm a real Christian, and what I really have a problem with is the way these folks refuse to honor God by their refusal to use the brains He gave us to fully understand and appreciate the complexity of the world and our lives.

Their true interest is wealth, power, and control. It just so happens that they ended up chasing it via religion. Otherwise, why such concern in promoting ignorance, strict obedience, and listening solely to them as the authority on all issues.

191 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:09:16pm

re: #179 HoosierHoops

Was that you at Hamburger Mary's?

I only went there once. This was at their apartment across the way. Has some French students that also smoked a bit. Then there was North Beach. You know the drill maybe. Wear all black; a black turtleneck and maybe a beret; read On the Road; go down to North Beach and smoke like a chimney.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:09:16pm

re: #158 albusteve

lots of wealthy people out there, and very high cost of living...that's no surprise...think of the taxes New Yorkers pay who live in Manhattan

Nah, if you work in Manhattan but live in New Jersey, you still pay NY taxes on your income, PLUS NJ taxes.

193 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:09:20pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Shitakes in the lamb marinade is fantastic. That's a keeper.

Rant mode on!
You know what grinds my gears? People who say, "Shitake mushrooms".
Rant mode off!

194 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:09:30pm

re: #184 calochortus

Its good to have those survival skills.
My husband is a good cook, but with just the two of us at home he's kind of lost his nerve on cooking for larger groups. The big stuff-like Christmas Eve dinner falls to me, though he's happy to help. It all works out.

I'm brining a turkey right now...... If it wasn't for me we'd have Mexican food 7/24........ I can't allow that during the holidays.

195 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:09:49pm

re: #178 albusteve

and shine is more popular than ever, making a comeback
[Link: news.nationalpost.com...]

Hmm... never thought of you as a "hipster kid".
:P

196 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:09:53pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

'Shrroooms!

I know...... I was kiddin' Killgore.

197 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:10:15pm

re: #194 Mr Pancakes

I'm brining a turkey right now... If it wasn't for me we'd have Mexican food 7/24... I can't allow that during the holidays.

Not even tamales?

198 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:10:39pm

re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth

You left out hookers and blackjack tables, but three outta five ain't bad.

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own theme park, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the park!

199 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:11:48pm

re: #189 albusteve

in my family, the men make the dressing and cook the turkeys

Me too..... I got this box that says "Stove Top"..... no one really likes dressing but we'll fix it anyway.

200 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:11:53pm

Actually this the top 10 tax burden per capita according to Statemaster.

# 1 Hawaii: $3,050.03
# 2 Wyoming: $2,973.87
# 3 Connecticut: $2,941.21
# 4 Minnesota: $2,890.90
# 5 Delaware: $2,862.03
# 6 Vermont: $2,844.96
# 7 Massachusetts: $2,628.26
# 8 New Jersey: $2,415.82
# 9 California: $2,391.65
# 10 Michigan: $2,381.34

California has the highest gross but they're not the highest in per capita "revenue".

201 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:11:57pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own theme park, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the park!

Oh Bender.

202 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:13:57pm

re: #197 calochortus

Not even tamales?

Believe it or not...... I'm a big fan of Mexican food....... I much prefer tamales in a can.

203 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:14:11pm

re: #192 Floral Giraffe

Nah, if you work in Manhattan but live in New Jersey, you still pay NY taxes on your income, PLUS NJ taxes.

stupid is what stupid does...

204 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:14:14pm

re: #190 oaktree

Their true interest is wealth, power, and control. It just so happens that they ended up chasing it via religion. Otherwise, why such concern in promoting ignorance, strict obedience, and listening solely to them as the authority on all issues.

I suspect many of the faithful really don't care all that much about the finer points of theology. They want security, order, and a sense of control over their environment. That isn't terribly unusual, but I think they have chosen a poor way to try to achieve the goal.

205 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:14:48pm

re: #199 Mr Pancakes

Me too... I got this box that says "Stove Top"... no one really likes dressing but we'll fix it anyway.

my dad's recipe for old fashioned sage dressing is a family treasure

206 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:14:54pm

re: #203 brookly red

stupid is what stupid does...

Seems fair.

/// ///

207 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:15:17pm

re: #192 Floral Giraffe

Nah, if you work in Manhattan but live in New Jersey, you still pay NY taxes on your income, PLUS NJ taxes.

That is screwed up

208 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:16:10pm

re: #207 Mr Pancakes

That is screwed up

it is but people put up with it so it stands...

209 Velvet Elvis  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:16:20pm

I'm interested in how they are going to pull off the replica of the tower of babel considering the first one was rather unstable.

210 Varek Raith  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:16:56pm

re: #209 Conservative Moonbat

I'm interested in how they are going to pull off the replica of the tower of babel considering the first one was rather unstable.

And will God strike this one down?!?!
Lol...

211 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:16:57pm

re: #202 Mr Pancakes

Believe it or not... I'm a big fan of Mexican food... I much prefer tamales in a can.

Well, if you eat Mexican the other 364 days of the year, I'd hope you liked it. ;)

212 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:17:02pm

re: #207 Mr Pancakes

That is screwed up

yet people keep moving to Texas... coincidence?

213 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:18:06pm

re: #188 Slumbering Behemoth

You left out hookers and blackjack tables, but three outta five ain't bad.

Ran my first marathon in Vegas two weeks ago. The first 13 miles were on the strip. Lots of people cheering us on, or maybe just drunks on their way home. I do not have a taste for gambling, but Vegas is a fun town.

214 jaunte  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:18:08pm

re: #209 Conservative Moonbat

I'm interested in how they are going to pull off the replica of the tower of babel considering the first one was rather unstable.

They say that frequent communication with all stakeholders is key.

215 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:18:09pm

re: #207 Mr Pancakes

And I found out today, that if you live out of state from West Virginia, and you sell property, or property rights, they charge a 2.5% sales tax on the transaction.

That's pretty messed up too.
Apparently very common though.

216 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:19:02pm

re: #211 calochortus

Well, if you eat Mexican the other 364 days of the year, I'd hope you liked it. ;)

canned tamales are illegal in this state...

217 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:20:18pm

re: #216 brookly red

canned tamales are illegal in this state...

Canned tamales? YUCK! Fresh home made ones are the best!

218 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:20:20pm

re: #216 brookly red

canned tamales are illegal in this state...

What about canned whole turkeys?

/

219 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:20:53pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Actually this the top 10 tax burden per capita according to Statemaster.


California has the highest gross but they're not the highest in per capita "revenue".

Wonder what that list would look like versus $/acre of private ground. 60% of Idaho is owned by the Feds. I think NV, MT, UT, and WY are worse.

220 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:21:02pm

re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth

We could wear those Cradle of Filth T-shirts that declare "Jesus is a...", well, not gonna type that last word.

Anyway, we could wear those and see how badly beaten we get.

Just go in carrying an MP-5 and no one will try to beat you.

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:21:16pm

re: #189 albusteve

in my family, the men make the dressing and cook the turkeys

I do the turkey every Thanksgiving. My skills are world renowned.
/that is, if you can shrink the term "world" to mean 15-20 people.

222 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:21:26pm

re: #211 calochortus

Well, if you eat Mexican the other 364 days of the year, I'd hope you liked it. ;)

Well.... I wouldn't say 364....... I'm getting her to come over to the dark side...... she likes mushrooms and eggplant now...... as well as my very non traditional gringo tostatdas..... made with ground beef.

223 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:21:35pm

re: #218 Gus 802

What about canned whole turkeys?

/

we vote for them all the time...

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:22:08pm

re: #204 calochortus

I suspect many of the faithful really don't care all that much about the finer points of theology. They want security, order, and a sense of control over their environment. That isn't terribly unusual, but I think they have chosen a poor way to try to achieve the goal.

Cultural baggage and how they were raised plays a good part. Comfort zone and an integral part of the social network as well. People seem to enjoy ritual, and if you remove the theology a local church is still a major local social networking center.

225 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:22:20pm

re: #223 brookly red

we vote for them all the time...

I remember the first time I ever heard Governor Paterson speak. I nearly fell off my chair.

226 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:23:45pm

re: #209 Conservative Moonbat

I'm interested in how they are going to pull off the replica of the tower of babel considering the first one was rather unstable.

They'll make a Sumerian ziggurat, which is what even many literalists now think the tower was.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:24:14pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

Just go in carrying an MP-5 and no one will try to beat you.

That could make heads go 'splodey, if they observe what obviously must be a pair of "commie libruls" that are also gun nuts.
/

228 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:24:15pm

re: #215 Floral Giraffe

And I found out today, that if you live out of state from West Virginia, and you sell property, or property rights, they charge a 2.5% sales tax on the transaction.

That's pretty messed up too.
Apparently very common though.

How bout losing a house to foreclosure yet being on the hook for capital gain taxes the down payment? Yes that happens in CA...... well it used to anyway.

229 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:24:39pm

re: #219 compound Idaho

Wonder what that list would look like versus $/acre of private ground. 60% of Idaho is owned by the Feds. I think NV, MT, UT, and WY are worse.

I might be movin' to Montana soon
Just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss Raisin' it up
Waxen it down
In a little white box
I can sell uptown
By myself I wouldn't
Have no boss,
But I'd be raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
Raisin' my lonely Dental Floss
-Zappa

230 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:24:53pm

re: #222 Mr Pancakes

Well... I wouldn't say 364... I'm getting her to come over to the dark side... she likes mushrooms and eggplant now... as well as my very non traditional gringo tostatdas... made with ground beef.

Mushrooms: good. Eggplant: not so much... I've tried. My husband likes eggplant, but its just not something I enjoy.

231 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:24:55pm

re: #216 brookly red

canned tamales are illegal in this state...

More for me

232 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:25:27pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

They'll make a Sumerian ziggurat, which is what even many literalists now think the tower was.

I doubt it ever existed...ziggurat engineering was really the only way to build something tall

233 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:25:58pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

Canned tamales? YUCK! Fresh home made ones are the best!

I can see how you can say that ...... but personally I'm not down with all that cornmeal.

234 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:26:06pm

*sigh* I remember holiday dinners of my youth... my mother would bundle me up so I could hardly move & my father would drive me to the golf course, hand me a tire iron & point out the fattest goose...

235 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:27:31pm

re: #225 Gus 802

I remember the first time I ever heard Governor Paterson speak. I nearly fell off my chair.

I feel bad for the guy... you would think the Governor would be entitle to world series tickets.

236 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:27:43pm

re: #224 oaktree

People seem to enjoy ritual, and if you remove the theology a local church is still a major local social networking center.

For an awful lot of people, that's all their local church really is to them.

237 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:28:00pm

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

I do the turkey every Thanksgiving. My skills are world renowned.
/that is, if you can shrink the term "world" to mean 15-20 people.

Yep...... I've heard about your turkey SB........ it seems you have set the bar to a pretty high level.

238 compound Idaho  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:28:51pm

re: #217 Floral Giraffe

Canned tamales? YUCK! Fresh home made ones are the best!

Just buy them from the nice young lady that knocks on my door most every Sunday afternoon.

239 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:29:09pm

re: #235 brookly red

I feel bad for the guy... you would think the Governor would be entitle to world series tickets.

Yeah. Well, they did throw him under the bus.

240 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:29:16pm

re: #237 Mr Pancakes

Yep... I've heard about your turkey SB... it seems you have set the bar to a pretty high level.

He's not the one doing "turfukden" is he?

241 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:30:30pm

re: #228 Mr Pancakes

If you short sell a house, the debt that is forgiven by the bank, is taxed as "income" by the IRS.

242 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:30:31pm

re: #236 Slumbering Behemoth

For an awful lot of people, that's all their local church really is to them.

I suspect that's true. Combined with a little ritual, mysticism and magic, I think that meets many people's needs.

243 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:30:57pm

re: #234 brookly red

I'm gonna have to try doing that on year. Not the tire iron thing, but the cooking a goose thing.

244 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:31:30pm

re: #230 calochortus

Mushrooms: good. Eggplant: not so much... I've tried. My husband likes eggplant, but its just not something I enjoy.

It's rather bland...... but it's great as a deep fried tempura veggie..... or in eggplant parmesan.

245 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:32:01pm

re: #238 compound Idaho

Just buy them from the nice young lady that knocks on my door most every Sunday afternoon.

Yes, we had a nice lady at work, who made tamales for sale during the holidays. I miss them.

246 blueraven  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:32:04pm

re: #233 Mr Pancakes

I can see how you can say that ... but personally I'm not down with all that cornmeal.

Its masa, and somebody's not doing it right if the masa is too thick. We make tamales every year, they are delicious. I would never eat one out of a can...Yuck is right FG!

247 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:32:25pm

re: #237 Mr Pancakes

Yep... I've heard about your turkey SB... it seems you have set the bar to a pretty high level.

It's a point of pride with me, brother. And I am not at all secretive or proprietary with my techniques.

248 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:33:17pm

re: #246 blueraven

Its masa, and somebody's not doing it right if the masa is too thick. We make tamales every year, they are delicious. I would never eat one out of a can...Yuck is right FG!

nor would I...too many homemade tamales all over ABQ

249 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:33:23pm

re: #244 Mr Pancakes

It's rather bland... but it's great as a deep fried tempura veggie... or in eggplant parmesan.

It has a flavor I don't care for-its not strong, but its not pleasant. Yes, you can hide it to a certain extent, but I've had it from time to time over a period of years and I just don't like it.

250 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:33:34pm

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm gonna have to try doing that on year. Not the tire iron thing, but the cooking a goose thing.

as I have said I no longer eat meat. having said that, a goose is fine eating. just be prepared to drain a lot of fat.

251 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:34:02pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

He's not the one doing "turfukden" is he?

Oh hell no. Just straight up turkey baby, the way our lord and savior Ben Franklin intended.

252 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:34:05pm

re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth

It's a point of pride with me, brother. And I am not at all secretive or proprietary with my techniques.

an ape could cook a turkey...what's so special?

253 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:34:28pm

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

If you short sell a house, the debt that is forgiven by the bank, is taxed as "income" by the IRS.

True, but paying that is still far less of a hit than a foreclosure would be. One of the managers I worked under while I was in retail had to do a short-sell after her (ex-)fiance left her holding the bag on the house they planned to begin their married life in.

254 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:35:23pm

re: #235 brookly red

I feel bad for the guy... you would think the Governor would be entitle to world series tickets.

They could have say him in some chair and told him he was there.

255 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:35:31pm

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

If you short sell a house, the debt that is forgiven by the bank, is taxed as "income" by the IRS.

Predators.

256 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:37:07pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Predators.

Predators are one of the things they buy with the money.

257 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:37:10pm

re: #242 calochortus

I suspect that's true. Combined with a little ritual, mysticism and magic, I think that meets many people's needs.

I was thinking more along the lines of folks that show up every sunday and put on a good show so they can fleece the faithful with their businesses.

I can't tell you how many times my grandma has been burned by using the logic "Well, s/he is a christian, so s/he won't rip me off if I do business with them".

258 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:37:17pm

re: #241 Floral Giraffe

If you short sell a house, the debt that is forgiven by the bank, is taxed as "income" by the IRS.

as long as we allow it... the time has come to tell the tax man where to go.

259 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:38:00pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Predators are one of the things they buy with the money.

Reapers, too.

260 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:38:15pm

re: #246 blueraven

Its masa, and somebody's not doing it right if the masa is too thick. We make tamales every year, they are delicious. I would never eat one out of a can...Yuck is right FG!

Ok..... again..... people love tamales.... my wife makes a great one..... I'm not a fan. Never have been even before I met her.

261 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:38:16pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Predators are one of the things they buy with the money.

So I heard. They also use it buy non-existent corn. ;)

262 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:38:32pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Predators are one of the things they buy with the money.

buzzz, zoooom, boom! la la la :)

263 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:39:12pm

re: #262 brookly red

buzzz, zooom, boom! la la la :)

One down 315,453 to go!

//

264 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:39:16pm

re: #252 albusteve

an ape could cook a turkey...what's so special?

You ain't had my turkey, turkey, so you better watch your tone or I will march down there an piss in your Wheaties.
/aw shit, too late

265 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:39:35pm

re: #257 Slumbering Behemoth

There is that, too.

266 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:39:44pm

re: #261 Gus 802

So I heard. They also use it buy non-existent corn. ;)

or corn to convert to ethanol
BWAHAHA!

267 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:39:48pm

re: #261 Gus 802

So I heard. They also use it buy non-existent corn. ;)

now your talking like a tea partier...

268 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:40:35pm

re: #252 albusteve

an ape could cook a turkey...what's so special?

That it is edible when it's done I think.

269 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:40:52pm

re: #263 Gus 802

One down 315,453 to go!

//

ooh ooh, more drones, more drones, faster please!

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:41:15pm

this is pretty crazy and stupid and funny, but I guess state tax breaks have been given out to businesses who have done way worse


now if they made a bourbon theme park, now we're talking

271 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:41:19pm

re: #267 brookly red

now your talking like a tea partier...

the feds are swimming in tax dollars...how it's spent is ludicrous

272 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:41:58pm

re: #267 brookly red

now your talking like a tea partier...

Hmm. Let me rephrase that...

They also use it to buy non-existent corn from Big Agra and corporations like Archer Daniels Midland that are destroying the farmland eco-system and traditional way of life for many of the struggling farm worker underclass!

//

273 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:42:08pm

re: #269 brookly red

ooh ooh, more drones, more drones, faster please!

One Reaper=3 Alabama High Schools.

274 BishopX  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:42:31pm

re: #250 brookly red

We're having a goose tomorrow, night, some friends from VT (who were all vegetarians) raised it, killed it and brought it down. When they started they weren't sure they could kill the geese, they were too cute. After the geese started chasing the goats around and biting the dog they had fewer qualms.

275 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:43:25pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

'Shrroooms!



The animal world has its junkies too

One such species, appropriately for a Christmassy article, is the reindeer, which goes to great lengths to search out the hallucinogenic fly agaric mushroom (Amanita muscaria) — the one with the white-spotted red cap that garden gnomes like to sit on. Eating the toadstool makes reindeer behave in a drunken fashion, running about aimlessly and making strange noises. Head-twitching is also common.

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:43:32pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Predators are one of the things they buy with the money.

They buy Predators with OUR TAX MONEY and then outfit them with thermo-imaging and then they send austrians into the jungle to fight them and they bleed glowing green blood and and and

277 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:43:46pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Hmm. Let me rephrase that...

They also use it to buy non-existent corn from Big Agra and corporations like Archer Daniels Midland that are destroying the farmland eco-system and traditional way of life for many of the struggling farm worker underclass!

//

too late dude, once you see the light you can never go back....

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:43:52pm

re: #275 Amory Blaine


The animal world has its junkies too

AWWWESSSOME

279 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:44:16pm

re: #274 BishopX

We're having a goose tomorrow, night, some friends from VT (who were all vegetarians) raised it, killed it and brought it down. When they started they weren't sure they could kill the geese, they were too cute. After the geese started chasing the goats around and biting the dog they had fewer qualms.

Someone from Vermont once told me it's easier to eat the animals if you don't name them first.

280 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:44:25pm

re: #271 albusteve

the feds are swimming in tax dollars...how it's spent is ludicrous

Silence ye!

/

281 albusteve  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:45:10pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Silence ye!

/

our Dem leadership?

282 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:45:26pm

re: #274 BishopX

We're having a goose tomorrow, night, some friends from VT (who were all vegetarians) raised it, killed it and brought it down. When they started they weren't sure they could kill the geese, they were too cute. After the geese started chasing the goats around and biting the dog they had fewer qualms.

you will love it... if you have dried apples & such you will love it more.

283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:45:38pm

re: #265 calochortus

It burns my britches. I may make jokes at the faithful's expense some times, but I just can't stand folks who fake it and pander to make a buck.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:45:45pm

I much prefer my ritual, social networking and mysticism in heavy metal

285 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:46:04pm

re: #282 brookly red

you will love it... if you have dried apples & such you will love it more.

Apples? Excuse me? Pineapples duh.

286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:46:45pm

re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth

It burns my britches. I may make jokes at the faithful's expense some times, but I just can't stand folks who fake it and pander to make a buck.

local AM stations here are peddling investment management services for Christians, I guess the idea is they'll work REALLY HARD to make sure not a dime of your money is invested in abortions or whatever

287 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:47:42pm

re: #272 Gus 802

Hmm. Let me rephrase that...

They also use it to buy non-existent corn from Big Agra and corporations like Archer Daniels Midland that are destroying the farmland eco-system and traditional way of life for many of the struggling farm worker underclass!

//

And now you sound like a moonbat. But either way you say it it sounds terrible. And it is terrible, too.

288 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:47:54pm

re: #147 Charles

Something has to replace the income from tobacco.

I thought tobacco was doing great because the rest of the world is hooked

289 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:48:34pm

re: #286 WindUpBird

local AM stations here are peddling investment management services for Christians, I guess the idea is they'll work REALLY HARD to make sure not a dime of your money is invested in abortions or whatever

I'd guess the subtext is that they will be more honest and you're money will be safer than with someone else, too.

290 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:49:00pm

re: #286 WindUpBird

local AM stations here are peddling investment management services for Christians, I guess the idea is they'll work REALLY HARD to make sure not a dime of your money is invested in abortions or whatever

Hmmm... I'd be really skeptical about those things. A lot of them are nothing more than pyramid schemes or ponzi schemes.

291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:50:15pm

re: #274 BishopX

We're having a goose tomorrow, night, some friends from VT (who were all vegetarians) raised it, killed it and brought it down. When they started they weren't sure they could kill the geese, they were too cute. After the geese started chasing the goats around and biting the dog they had fewer qualms.

I kind of worried that I wouldn't be able to do the deed when it came to fishing, but when I caught my first fish, I whopped it's head and gutted it like it was second nature to me. A dudes gotta eat.

292 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:50:21pm

re: #285 Mr Pancakes

Apples? Excuse me? Pineapples duh.

OK on a dead bird... I have no problems with pineapples, just not on pizza. I have no problems with marshmallows, just not on a hamburger... is that hard to grasp?

293 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:50:44pm

re: #289 calochortus

PIMF you're=your

294 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:51:06pm

re: #292 brookly red

OK on a dead bird... I have no problems with pineapples, just not on pizza. I have no problems with marshmallows, just not on a hamburger... is that hard to grasp?

Who has marshmallows on their burger? I'm intrigued.

295 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:51:12pm

re: #286 WindUpBird

Sharia banking!!!11ty
/wait, what?

296 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:52:21pm

re: #294 Amory Blaine

Who has marshmallows on their burger? I'm intrigued.

exactly... some things are just freakin un-natural.

297 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:53:00pm

re: #287 Dark_Falcon

And now you sound like a moonbat. But either way you say it it sounds terrible. And it is terrible, too.

It all drive me crazy sometimes. I went to cash a check before at the same bank it was drawn and they charged me 5 bucks for a lousy 150 dollar check. Of course that's small change. Farm subsidies is just another tangled web of bureaucracies and private special interests.

298 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:53:06pm

re: #293 calochortus

PIMF you're=your

No worrys...... poleple here rae pertty forgiveng on speling erors.... I knw fsirt hande.

299 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:54:34pm

re: #292 brookly red

OK on a dead bird... I have no problems with pineapples, just not on pizza. I have no problems with marshmallows, just not on a hamburger... is that hard to grasp?

Hmmmmm marshmallow hamburger marshmallow hamburger....... Dude! you might be onto something!

300 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:55:12pm

OK is gf time... see yah

301 brookly red  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:55:54pm

re: #299 Mr Pancakes

Hmmm marshmallow hamburger marshmallow hamburger... Dude! you might be onto something!

that is why we have gun control...

302 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:55:57pm

re: #297 Gus 802

When I was a youngun in the '80s, I did some work for an elderly woman an she wrote me a ten dollar check. I took it to the very bank that the account was at, and they wanted to charge me five bucks to cash it.

I determined right then and there never to do business with that company.

303 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:56:44pm

re: #300 brookly red

OK is gf time... see yah

gf = good food?

304 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:56:59pm

re: #298 Mr Pancakes

No worrys... poleple here rae pertty forgiveng on speling erors... I knw fsirt hande.

I know, and other people's spelling errors don't bother me-I'm just strangely obsessive about my own.

305 Killgore Trout  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:57:39pm

re: #294 Amory Blaine

Who has marshmallows on their burger? I'm intrigued.

I don't know but this looks fucking awesome...
Quick's Suprême Foie Gras

306 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:57:41pm

re: #302 Slumbering Behemoth

When I was a youngun in the '80s, I did some work for an elderly woman an she wrote me a ten dollar check. I took it to the very bank that the account was at, and they wanted to charge me five bucks to cash it.

I determined right then and there never to do business with that company.

In the 80s? Damn. 5 bucks for a 10 dollar check. You know I was thinking when I left this bank this afternoon, "everybody wants their cut." And so many people and entities want their cut for not doing a damn thing to earn it.

307 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:57:59pm

re: #304 calochortus

I know, and other people's spelling errors don't bother me-I'm just strangely obsessive about my own.

I know I cringe sometimes when I read my posts....... then cringe again on the content.

308 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 7:58:28pm

re: #303 Mr Pancakes

gf = good food?

I'm gonna take the high road on that one, this time. You're all welcome.

309 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:00:15pm

re: #306 Gus 802

In the 80s? Damn. 5 bucks for a 10 dollar check. You know I was thinking when I left this bank this afternoon, "everybody wants their cut." And so many people and entities want their cut for not doing a damn thing to earn it.

Did you have an account at the bank where you tried to cash the check?

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:01:37pm

re: #306 Gus 802

I won't name the company outright, but their first name rhymes with "Welles" and their last name rhymes with "Fargo".

Fuck 'em.

311 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:01:47pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Did you have an account at the bank where you tried to cash the check?

Nope. I know banks will charge and have been charged before. For some reason it kind of bugged me more today. I'm not that bent out of shape but I still think it's creepy.

312 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:02:37pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

I won't name the company outright, but their first name rhymes with "Welles" and their last name rhymes with "Fargo".

Fuck 'em.

Ok...... I'm lost...... Bank of America?

313 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:02:56pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

I won't name the company outright, but their first name rhymes with "Welles" and their last name rhymes with "Fargo".

Fuck 'em.

Nah. Local bank. First Bank. Or at least they used to be local.

314 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:03:54pm

re: #311 Gus 802

Nope. I know banks will charge and have been charged before. For some reason it kind of bugged me more today. I'm not that bent out of shape but I still think it's creepy.

PNC won't even cash a check unless you have money in your account. Otherwise they make you wait till the next business day.

315 Decatur Deb  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:04:02pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

I won't name the company outright, but their first name rhymes with "Welles" and their last name rhymes with "Fargo".

Fuck 'em.

Check to see who owns a bunch of those garishly painted "mom-and-pop" payday loan companies.

316 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:04:37pm

Someone with a sense of humor on the Respect and Obey Song;

I am now so completely sold on the idea of respecting and obeying authority. I never expected 4 kids with no life experience, rhythm or musical talent to be able to convey such a powerful message, but hey, after 52 hours of the Ludovico technique being administered to this song, I am a changed man.

317 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:06:06pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Nah. Local bank. First Bank. Or at least they used to be local.

No, I mean the one that tried to charge me five bucks to cash a ten dollar check written by one of their account holders.

Grinds my gears. Their customers already pay the price of doing business with them, they should cash their gawt-damned checks as part of doing business.

If banks charged everyone five bucks per check to cash them (phone bill, electric bill, etc.), there would be no such thing as banks.

318 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:07:24pm

I would just like to offer a Happy Festivus, to the Rest of Us in the Lizard community!

Oh, and here is a huge surprise:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

As a scientist, I am shocked (shocked!) at this poll. Who could have imagined that educated humans would shy away from anti-science mouth-breathers by a margin of 16 to 1?

319 BishopX  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:07:31pm

re: #314 Dark_Falcon

TD credits me up to 100 dollars on a deposit...available immediately, the rest typically clears within 48 hours. TBH I've never actually tried to cash a check. Just deposited it and then use a debit card.

320 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:08:22pm

re: #313 Gus 802

Nah. Local bank. First Bank. Or at least they used to be local.

USED too be local. There aren't many local banks anymore, the industry has consolidated, and the big banks pretty much do what they want. If you want a local, friendly financier, I suggest a credit union.

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:09:07pm

re: #315 Decatur Deb

Check to see who owns a bunch of those garishly painted "mom-and-pop" payday loan companies.

Truly a sucker's game. You try doing one of those pay day loans when you fall just a little bit behind one month, and you will end up way behind every month thereafter.

You're better off pawning some of your shit off. Pawn shops, as shifty as they might be, play a much more honest game.

322 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:09:18pm

re: #317 Slumbering Behemoth

No, I mean the one that tried to charge me five bucks to cash a ten dollar check written by one of their account holders.

Grinds my gears. Their customers already pay the price of doing business with them, they should cash their gawt-damned checks as part of doing business.

If banks charged everyone five bucks per check to cash them (phone bill, electric bill, etc.), there would be no such thing as banks.

That's just it. The check I cashed was from one of their customers. They already make money off of their account. This à la carte society we've become has gone too far. It's like paying 500 dollars for an airline ticket and then asking you to pay 1 buck for the lousy headphones. OK, I haven't flown in a while.

323 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:11:08pm

re: #290 marjoriemoon

Hmmm... I'd be really skeptical about those things. A lot of them are nothing more than pyramid schemes or ponzi schemes.

oh i believe it!

324 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:11:25pm

re: #320 Floral Giraffe

USED too be local. There aren't many local banks anymore, the industry has consolidated, and the big banks pretty much do what they want. If you want a local, friendly financier, I suggest a credit union.

My car loan was with a credit union. Citibank ate them up. Then Citibank almost went under for their sleazy practices. Another creepy bank is HSBC. They're all creepy.

325 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:11:29pm

re: #322 Gus 802

That's just it. The check I cashed was from one of their customers. They already make money off of their account. This à la carte society we've become has gone too far. It's like paying 500 dollars for an airline ticket and then asking you to pay 1 buck for the lousy headphones. OK, I haven't flown in a while.

Shhha...... how bout for every bag you check now....

326 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:11:53pm

Remember folks, accepting evolution doesn't conflict with religious belief!

/gack

327 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:12:02pm

re: #321 Slumbering Behemoth

Truly a sucker's game. You try doing one of those pay day loans when you fall just a little bit behind one month, and you will end up way behind every month thereafter.

You're better off pawning some of your shit off. Pawn shops, as shifty as they might be, play a much more honest game.

Made me think of those JG Wentworth commercials. Not to give them any business, but the opera one on the bus is my favorite. I've never been so turned off by a company and so liked their commercial.

328 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:13:54pm

re: #322 Gus 802

It's $25 to check a bag, curbside, and $10 for the headphones, last time I flew. Oh, and no food on the plane, unless you bring your own. So glamorous to travel these days.

/dripping.

329 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:14:20pm

re: #327 marjoriemoon

Yes, a gross practice, but a highly effective commercial. Their phone number is burned in my brain because of that clever little ditty. The bastards.

330 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:15:45pm

re: #328 Floral Giraffe

I haven't flown since '99. Likely won't do so again without getting my own damn plane.

331 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:16:17pm

re: #327 marjoriemoon

Made me think of those JG Wentworth commercials. Not to give them any business, but the opera one on the bus is my favorite. I've never been so turned off by a company and so liked their commercial.

Ooooh, how about those companies that will give you money based on your lawsuit before it settles (or goes to trial)? If you don't win, you don't have to give the money back. Wonder how many pennies on the dollar of your likely settlement they pay you? Between your contingency lawyer and these vultures it won't be much.

332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:16:35pm

re: #328 Floral Giraffe

The plane thing I honestly can't complain about, plane travel used to be way more expensive 30 years ago, even with the ala carte stuff. Pop an adavan, put your ipod on, space out. Why would anyone elect to be entertained by an airline anyway? i have gigabytes of cool music and radio in my pocket :D

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:16:43pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

I won't name the company outright, but their first name rhymes with "Welles" and their last name rhymes with "Fargo".

Fuck 'em.

Back in the mid-90s there used to be a bar in London called the "Well's Fargo Cantina".

334 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:16:45pm

re: #324 Gus 802

My car loan was with a credit union. Citibank ate them up. Then Citibank almost went under for their sleazy practices. Another creepy bank is HSBC. They're all creepy.

The big banks have no souls. Kind of like the credit card companies.
IF Wikileaks truly has "dirt" on Bank of America, none of it will shock me.
Although the front end damage control BofA is doing, is kind of funny, in a sick sort of way.

335 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:17:05pm

re: #328 Floral Giraffe

It's $25 to check a bag, curbside, and $10 for the headphones, last time I flew. Oh, and no food on the plane, unless you bring your own. So glamorous to travel these days.

/dripping.

Would be funny to bring your own headphones and when they ask just say, "no thanks, I brought my own". Then plug it into their system. I'm sure it wouldn't be that easy. What would also be funny would be to bring a few blankets and pillows on a carry on and then hand them out to some of the passengers for free. Then hand out free peanuts during the flight. Think that would fly?

336 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:17:13pm

re: #332 WindUpBird

The plane thing I honestly can't complain about, plane travel used to be way more expensive 30 years ago, even with the ala carte stuff. Pop an adavan, put your ipod on, space out. Why would anyone elect to be entertained by an airline anyway? i have gigabytes of cool music and radio in my pocket :D

AND THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE THE ELECTRIC SYSTEMS IN THE PLANE TO SHORT OUT AND SEND YOU AND HUNDREDS OF PASSENGERS TO YOUR DOOM.

/ :B

337 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:17:37pm

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

Back in the mid-90s there used to be a bar in London called the "Well's Fargo Cantina".

Punctuated just like that.

338 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:17:51pm

re: #329 Slumbering Behemoth

Yes, a gross practice, but a highly effective commercial. Their phone number is burned in my brain because of that clever little ditty. The bastards.

The only phone number that was ever burned into my brain was:

1-800-588- 2300 EMPIRE!

339 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:18:16pm

re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth

I haven't flown since '99. Likely won't do so again without getting my own damn plane.

Where're you going? I'd like to visit Tahiti...

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:18:45pm

re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth

I haven't flown since '99. Likely won't do so again without getting my own damn plane.

My problem is whenever I go down to San Jose, I don't have much of a choice. so I either take the train, which is cool but takes forever, drive, which blows because of the pass in january (it was closed last year when i went down, got stranded) or I fly. Flying sucks, but sucks less than the other two.

341 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:19:26pm

re: #328 Floral Giraffe

It's $25 to check a bag, curbside, and $10 for the headphones, last time I flew. Oh, and no food on the plane, unless you bring your own. So glamorous to travel these days.

/dripping.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I travel to the UK once or twice a year, occasionally taking a harp (hers). We have found Continental to be the way to go. The harp case is oversized, but $100 round trip. We stuff our stuff into our two checked bags to keep them under 50 pounds (free). Our carry-ons are maxed out in size and also free. And the food is pretty killer bee.

342 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:19:37pm

re: #340 WindUpBird

My problem is whenever I go down to San Jose, I don't have much of a choice. so I either take the train, which is cool but takes forever, drive, which blows because of the pass in january (it was closed last year when i went down, got stranded) or I fly. Flying sucks, but sucks less than the other two.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

343 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:20:20pm

re: #336 laZardo

AND THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE THE ELECTRIC SYSTEMS IN THE PLANE TO SHORT OUT AND SEND YOU AND HUNDREDS OF PASSENGERS TO YOUR DOOM.

/ :B

EVERYONE PANIC, DUDE HAS A PHONE

344 BishopX  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:20:30pm

re: #334 Floral Giraffe

I'm loving the fact that they're buying up insulting domain names.

345 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:20:45pm

re: #334 Floral Giraffe

The big banks have no souls. Kind of like the credit card companies.
IF Wikileaks truly has "dirt" on Bank of America, none of it will shock me.
Although the front end damage control BofA is doing, is kind of funny, in a sick sort of way.

I'm not inclined to wish ill on BofA right now, Floral. I'll tell you why via email, if you like, or just take my word for it. Bad things for BofA would likely be bad for me.

346 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:20:48pm

re: #335 Gus 802

Would be funny to bring your own headphones and when they ask just say, "no thanks, I brought my own". Then plug it into their system. I'm sure it wouldn't be that easy. What would also be funny would be to bring a few blankets and pillows on a carry on and then hand them out to some of the passengers for free. Then hand out free peanuts during the flight. Think that would fly?

You can use your own headphones. I find if you put the headphones in, your seat mate gets the message. Whether or not they are plugged in.
(Yes, I used to travel a lot for business & I'm anti-social enough to want the stranger in the seat next to me to STFU)

347 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:20:50pm

re: #342 Mr Pancakes

Do you know the way to San Jose?

Take the Chattanooga Choochoo.

348 Amory Blaine  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:21:09pm

re: #341 austin_blue

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I travel to the UK once or twice a year, occasionally taking a harp (hers). We have found Continental to be the way to go. The harp case is oversized, but $100 round trip. We stuff our stuff into our two checked bags to keep them under 50 pounds (free). Our carry-ons are maxed out in size and also free. And the food is pretty killer bee.

That must be a rank because I have one of those too.

349 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:22:10pm

re: #338 Mr Pancakes

The only phone number that was ever burned into my brain was:

1-800-588- 2300 EMPIRE!

As a lifelong native of the Chicago area, I've heard that number so many times that not even Alzheimer's would be able to make me forget it.

350 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:22:11pm

re: #343 WindUpBird

EVERYONE PANIC, DUDE HAS A PHONE

AND IT'S IN "AIRPLANE MODE"

351 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:22:20pm

re: #347 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Take the Chattanooga Choochoo.

Track 29?

352 freetoken  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:22:43pm

re: #330 Slumbering Behemoth

I last took a jet in 2008. Over the years I really learned to despise US short and long haul airlines. Way back when I used to fly cross-country several times a month. Would never do it again, especially in these days.

A couple of decades ago there was an airline based here, the old Pacific Southwest airlines, on whose last flight (before they were dismantled) into San Diego from up in the Bay area. It was a friendlier company (living up to their motto), and in those days they seemed to have treated customers as, well, customers.

I've also flown ANA in and out of Japan a couple of times - not the UA flights that get an ANA number attached to them, but a full Japanese plane. Much more of a class act than UA, on which I still have over 40,000 miles left so I guess I could get a domestic round trip ticket to somewhere. Yet I shudder to think of flying on UA these days.

Too bad Americans despise rail - I really, really liked going by Shinkansen. Best way to travel.

353 austin_blue  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:22:57pm

re: #348 Amory Blaine

That must be a rank because I have one of those too.

Many of us do. And treasure the honor to be associated with such humans!

354 3kids3dogs  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:23:00pm

re: #192 Floral Giraffe

Nah, if you work in Manhattan but live in New Jersey, you still pay NY taxes on your income, PLUS NJ taxes.

I don't believe this is accurate, at least as far as income taxes. NY has a reciprocal agreement with NJ and NJ state income taxes are deducted from an employees paycheck and delivered to NJ. I live in PA and worked in NY. There is no agreement with PA so I had to file state returns for both states. Once I show that I paid NY taxes PA forgives the tax that would be owed to them, other than some minor differences regarding what each state considers taxable income.

355 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:23:17pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

As a lifelong native of the Chicago area, I've heard that number so many times that not even Alzheimer's would be able to make me forget it.

Oh..... I thought they were local

356 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:23:33pm

re: #341 austin_blue

Hint, if you ask nicely, since they aren't serving food, musical instruments & other "need to be not in the cargo hold" can get stored on the plane, where the food carts used to be. Gotta ask really nicely, though.

357 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:23:47pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

I'm not inclined to wish ill on BofA right now, Floral. I'll tell you why via email, if you like, or just take my word for it. Bad things for BofA would likely be bad for me.

bad things for the 5th largest company in the US by revenue will be bad for people, obviously.

But what can you do, if the fifth largest company in the US is rotten to the core with fraud and malfeasance, do we ignore it?

358 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:24:10pm

re: #350 laZardo

AND IT'S IN "AIRPLANE MODE"

it's in "this is a scam and I'm ignoring the flight attendant" mode :D

359 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:24:18pm

re: #334 Floral Giraffe

A business has got to make it's money so they can pay the bills and their employees. I won't begrudge them that.

However, the dirty tricks that many banking firms use to fleece folk are why I haven't done any kind of banking in almost twenty years.

Even when I was making 'round about $38K a year, I never had a bank account.

360 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:24:52pm

re: #345 Dark_Falcon

I'm not inclined to wish ill on BofA right now, Floral. I'll tell you why via email, if you like, or just take my word for it. Bad things for BofA would likely be bad for me.

Don't want ANYTHING bad for you DF. No need to explain to me.
*smooch*

361 freetoken  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:25:40pm

re: #334 Floral Giraffe

The big banks have no souls.

Usurers!

362 calochortus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:25:52pm

Must get some things done. G'night all.

363 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:25:58pm

re: #359 Slumbering Behemoth

A business has got to make it's money so they can pay the bills and their employees. I won't begrudge them that.

However, the dirty tricks that many banking firms use to fleece folk are why I haven't done any kind of banking in almost twenty years.

Even when I was making 'round about $38K a year, I never had a bank account.

you and my artist friend, she lives pretty much as off the grid as she can

364 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:27:17pm

re: #339 Floral Giraffe

Where're you going? I'd like to visit Tahiti...

Where was I going? Here.

365 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:28:33pm

re: #363 WindUpBird

you and my artist friend, she lives pretty much as off the grid as she can

Until she gets robbed or there is a fire....... then she'll be a big believer in banks.

366 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:28:35pm

Fucking Drama Queen

Assange: I could die in a US jail

He also said that if was extradited to the US, there was a "high chance" of him being killed "Jack Ruby-style" - a reference to the man who killed Lee Harvey Oswald before he could stand trial for the murder of President John F Kennedy.

367 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:28:48pm

re: #355 Mr Pancakes

Oh... I thought they were local

They've been in Chicago my whole life. Where do you live?

368 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:29:14pm

re: #354 3kids3dogs

Too bad, you don't know what you're talking about.
FAIL.

369 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:29:31pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

They've been in Chicago my whole life. Where do you live?

San Diego...... they've been around a few years here now.

370 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:30:04pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking Drama Queen

Assange: I could die in a US jail

There wouldn't be a Jack Rudy, just Big Butch waiting to turn Julian into his new girlfriend Julie. >:D

371 3kids3dogs  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:31:22pm

re: #368 Floral Giraffe

Too bad, you don't know what you're talking about.
FAIL.

Why do you say that? I was born and raised in NY and have actually seen employees paychecks that had NJ taxes taken out. My experience with PA/NY is absolutely accurate. I lived it.

372 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:31:22pm

re: #346 Floral Giraffe

You can use your own headphones. I find if you put the headphones in, your seat mate gets the message. Whether or not they are plugged in.
(Yes, I used to travel a lot for business & I'm anti-social enough to want the stranger in the seat next to me to STFU)

Heh. When I used to ride the bus to work every day, I got really sick of random weirdos wanting to talk to me, really quick.

I bought a pair of POS Dollar Store head phones and ran the line into my inner jacket pocket. No walkman, no nothing, just the head phones. The effect was quite awesome.

373 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:31:39pm

re: #365 Mr Pancakes

Until she gets robbed or there is a fire... then she'll be a big believer in banks.

?

What would a bank do for her if her studio got broken into?

374 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:32:10pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

There wouldn't be a Jack Rudy, just Big Butch waiting to turn Julian into his new girlfriend Julie. >:D

4chan was already getting off to those fantasies at the same time they were cheering him on.

DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS. ;_;

375 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:32:26pm

re: #365 Mr Pancakes

Until she gets robbed or there is a fire... then she'll be a big believer in banks.

oh, meaning if she had stacks of cash in her home? ahahahahah oh you don't know my friends, they don't make enough money to save

376 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:33:02pm

re: #369 Mr Pancakes

San Diego... they've been around a few years here now.

Perhaps its a franchise. Either that or they expanded. A chain that started in Chicago is Potbelly Sandwich Works. The original Potbelly is on Lincoln Avenue in Chicago, between Webster and Belden. My family often bought subs from it when I was young, and I still visit it a couple times a year for the memories.

377 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:33:20pm

re: #366 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking Drama Queen

Assange: I could die in a US jail

He's lost his marbles. If he ever did wind up in the USA for trial they would provide him with maximum security and a bullet proof vest of need be. And if someone did try to kill him his security would no doubt kill the perp if need be.

378 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:33:31pm

re: #373 WindUpBird

?

What would a bank do for her if her studio got broken into?

Not a damn thing, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation only insures money in banks.

Credit Unions have a similar safety net as well.

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:33:52pm

re: #372 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. When I used to ride the bus to work every day, I got really sick of random weirdos wanting to talk to me, really quick.

I bought a pair of POS Dollar Store head phones and ran the line into my inner jacket pocket. No walkman, no nothing, just the head phones. The effect was quite awesome.

are you SURE you're not a small nervous woman with a hoodie who paints weird stuff in oregon?

380 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #374 laZardo

4chan was already getting off to those fantasies at the same time they were cheering him on.

DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS. ;_;

Tentacle Porn, eh?

381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:34:25pm

re: #352 freetoken

Too bad Americans despise rail - I really, really liked going by Shinkansen. Best way to travel.

I don't think we despise trains for travel, it's just that flying is so much faster and convenient when you have so much shit to do.

382 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:34:45pm

re: #380 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tentacle Porn, eh?

Among a LOT of other things.

383 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:35:42pm

re: #382 laZardo

Among a LOT of other things.

Furries or Traps?

384 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:36:13pm

re: #380 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tentacle Porn, eh?

Did you know tentacle porn is twenty years old? :D

385 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:36:14pm

BBL, gonna go explorin' Baguio.

386 laZardo  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:36:45pm

re: #383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Furries or Traps?

Both etc.

387 freetoken  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:36:45pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't think we despise trains for travel, it's just that flying is so much faster and convenient when you have so much shit to do.

Only if you're going cross country. If we had a "bullet" train in California, and local rail integrated with it, I could go to SF from SD quicker than by plane.

388 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:36:55pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't think we despise trains for travel, it's just that flying is so much faster and convenient when you have so much shit to do.

As much as it might suck for some you don't have to sit on a train for 4 days. Plus it's about the same price. Long distance rail travel for now is mostly for rail fans or people that are afraid to fly.

389 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:37:07pm

re: #373 WindUpBird

?

What would a bank do for her if her studio got broken into?

Oh ... I thought you meant she kept her money off the grid, maybe she was broke. If so, disregard my post.

390 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:37:33pm

re: #359 Slumbering Behemoth

A business has got to make it's money so they can pay the bills and their employees. I won't begrudge them that.

However, the dirty tricks that many banking firms use to fleece folk are why I haven't done any kind of banking in almost twenty years.

Even when I was making 'round about $38K a year, I never had a bank account.

All the national banks suck.

I accidentally shorted my mortgage payment. I paid the cable bill towards my mortgage. When I noticed the problem, before the amount was due, btw, I made up the difference but because the two payments weren't the right amount, they applied both to the principal and marked my monthly payment unpaid.

After weeks of trying to rectify it, including going down to the local Chase branch, I filed a complaint with the Comptroller of the Currency Administrator of National Banks (how you like that one!). They got Chase home office to call me and fix it.

They're all morons.

391 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:37:43pm

re: #389 Mr Pancakes

Oh ... I thought you meant she kept her money off the grid, maybe she was broke. If so, disregard my post.

She makes art for a living. Of course she's broke ;-)

392 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:38:07pm

re: #384 WindUpBird

Did you know tentacle porn is twenty years old? :D

Actually, tentacle porn dates back to the 18th century at least.

393 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:39:17pm

re: #392 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Actually, tentacle porn dates back to the 18th century at least.

octopus-geisha ukioye-prints, etc, I mean like OVAs, Urutsukidoji, modern animation ;-)

394 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:40:27pm

re: #392 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

it's sorta like finding out that my friends who listened to slayer are now parents of children...who are now metalheads.

395 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:40:59pm

re: #377 Gus 802

He's lost his marbles. If he ever did wind up in the USA for trial they would provide him with maximum security and a bullet proof vest of need be. And if someone did try to kill him his security would no doubt kill the perp if need be.

True, but that's not the point. Assange is playing the brave leftist, who is now sore afraid of being seized by the vile forces of Imperial America, condemned unjustly under the PATRIOT ACT!!1 forced through by Bushhitler, and then being cast into prison to be murdered to conceal "Amerika's crimes". It's a pose often taken to win sympathy from anti-American Europeans.

396 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:41:08pm

re: #363 WindUpBird

I wasn't really trying to live of the grid, per se, as much as wanting to keep all my money.

Heh. One place I used to work, I was doing the stupid thing of counting out my newly cashed check out in the open. A small group of "ethnic" people were in the lunch room with me, and one got up and shut the door to the lunch room, and gave me a hard stare.

I said "Y'all better be real good at whatever it is you think you're gonna do, because I intend to keep all my money".

They busted up laughing, of course. They loved fucking with me, I was like their token white guy.

397 Kragar  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:41:24pm

re: #393 WindUpBird

octopus-geisha ukioye-prints, etc, I mean like OVAs, Urutsukidoji, modern animation ;-)

The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife by Katsushika Hokusai, 1820

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:42:51pm

re: #396 Slumbering Behemoth

I sorta need a bank because I'd lose way more money to my own disorganization than I ever would to bank fees *_* but occasionally it rankles! I generally make sure I keep lots of cash around so I don't get hammered with ATM fees. But the automatic bill pay has probably saved me tons.

399 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:43:17pm

re: #391 WindUpBird

She makes art for a living. Of course she's broke ;-)

How do people survive on art in Portland? Mom and dad?

400 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:43:25pm

re: #373 WindUpBird

?

What would a bank do for her if her studio got broken into?

Your money is insured up to $100,000. Unless she's got more than that, a bank is a lot better than the mattress.

401 Gus  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:43:27pm

re: #387 freetoken

Only if you're going cross country. If we had a "bullet" train in California, and local rail integrated with it, I could go to SF from SD quicker than by plane.

Eventually there will be one.

[Link: www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov...]

Not crazy about the color though.

402 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:44:17pm

re: #397 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife by Katsushika Hokusai, 1820

I know that one! I had a phase in art school where I was trying to see if I could hack ukiyo-e print aesthetic into everything I did, eventually I realized I should probably stick with what I was good at...

403 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:46:07pm

re: #379 WindUpBird

are you SURE you're not a small nervous woman with a hoodie who paints weird stuff in oregon?

Heh, I've been known to do some weird stuff with oil painting and airbrushing, but I am certain I don't live in Oregon, and I am just as certain... (looks in the crotch of my pants) ... yep, just a certain I am not a female.

404 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:46:11pm

re: #400 marjoriemoon

Your money is insured up to $100,000. Unless she's got more than that, a bank is a lot better than the mattress.

she's always broke, I don't think it matters :-) Her art in her studio is probably worth a hundred times more than she makes in a month anyway, and that IS insured.

405 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:47:02pm

re: #403 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh, I've been known to do some weird stuff with oil painting and airbrushing, but I am certain I don't live in Oregon, and I am just as certain... (looks in the crotch of my pants) ... yep, just a certain I am not a female.

That was my friend's exact complaint and solution about weirdos on buses in SF, she'd do the headphone trick, and wear sunglasses, because she has big expressive eyes that seem to attract crazies!

406 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:48:29pm

re: #404 WindUpBird

she's always broke, I don't think it matters :-) Her art in her studio is probably worth a hundred times more than she makes in a month anyway, and that IS insured.

So she makes just enough to get by?

407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:50:13pm

re: #406 Mr Pancakes

So she makes just enough to get by?

like most everyone I know, yes

408 What, me worry?  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:50:18pm

re: #404 WindUpBird

she's always broke, I don't think it matters :-) Her art in her studio is probably worth a hundred times more than she makes in a month anyway, and that IS insured.

I bet she's a young person, eh? When you get older, you tend to get more concerned about having a little nest egg.

409 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:52:06pm

re: #390 marjoriemoon

Stupid people in cubicles making bad decisions.
YEAH!
This is who we choose to spend money with.

410 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:52:12pm

re: #407 WindUpBird

like most everyone I know, yes

That's cool...... it's hard to live in the city selling art to survive I'm sure.

411 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:52:14pm

re: #408 marjoriemoon

I bet she's a young person, eh? When you get older, you tend to get more concerned about having a little nest egg.

she's my age, not much of a planner. I am guessing eventually she'll settle down a bit!

412 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:52:29pm

re: #410 Mr Pancakes

That's cool... it's hard to live in the city selling art to survive I'm sure.

the internet makes it a bit easier

413 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:53:35pm

re: #412 WindUpBird

the internet makes it a bit easier

Give me her website...... I'd like to look at it.

414 freetoken  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:56:03pm

re: #401 Gus 802

Eventually there will be one.

[Link: www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov...]

Not crazy about the color though.

Yeah, I know. I'll believe it when I see it operating.

Oh, and "high speed" as far as that project is concerned isn't very fast compared to what is available in other countries.

The problem though, which I've had with this project from its very start, is that it is putting the cart before the horse. The point of high speed rail is to connect local rail systems. Since the local rail here in California runs from lame to non-existent, having high-speed rail doesn't come with all the benefits that it could.

415 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:03:03pm

re: #412 WindUpBird

the internet makes it a bit easier

WUB.... are you still here? Please send me her link...... tiz the season ya know.

416 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:14:27pm

re: #412 WindUpBird

the internet makes it a bit easier

Wow...... crickets.... you'd think you'd want to hype her site if you were a friend.

417 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:16:19pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't think we despise trains for travel, it's just that flying is so much faster and convenient when you have so much shit to do.

To an extent one reason passenger service for railroads dropped off is that it's not profitable for the long-haul carriers compared to freight - outside of the built-up Eastern Corridor where Amtrak holds sway. Requires special equipment, extra specialist employees above and beyond freight handling, extra insurance costs (imagine the liability suits for a derailment causing multiple deaths), and the need to adjust traffic to facilitate the passenger trains getting through on schedule.

418 sagehen  Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:18:37pm

re: #4 Gsparky

So, let me get this straight. The Creation Museum has been so popular that it has attracted 1 million since 2007. If we include the end years (2007 & 2010), that's 4 years. That's a quarter-mil per year. Yet, somehow the "Ark Park" is going to be so mind-blowingly beyond belief (heh) that it will attract over 6 times that many?

As willfully ignorant as they are of history, physics and geography, they approach Scripture with the reading comprehension levels of 2nd graders, why should we expect their math skills to be any better?

419 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:11:12am

C'mon, c'mon. I'm an elder's property.
C'mon, c'mon. Eat the shit that's fed to me.

C'mon!

420 hellosnackbar  Fri, Dec 24, 2010 2:14:43pm

Several years ago there was a discussion amongst a number of academics
on the subject of evolution and the relevance of the recently completed genome project.
Then suddenly on a video screen appeared a chap with an Australian accent
spouting all kinds of bullshit about science and religion.
Clearly his appearance had been unexpected;since Prof Steve Smith turned
round to a colleague to his right and mouthed "Who the fuck let this twat in?"
Funny how after watching many football and rugby matches one learns to lip read regularly used profanities.
The creationist intruder's name was Ken Ham.


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