Rachel Maddow: Gov. Haley Barbour’s Connections to Racists
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Rachel Maddow reveals the connections between Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour and the racist Council of Conservative Citizens, with photographs:
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:49:18pm |
One of the GOP Frontrunners for the 2012 nomination, eh?
Good call guys, good call.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:51:10pm |
Isn't this the same group that Ann Coulter defended?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:57:27pm |
Racists Totally Freak Out Over Idris Elba Playing Norse God in 'Thor'
The CCC's unhappiness with Elba's appearance in Thor jibes with the material on its Statement of Principles page, where they assert that "the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people... that the American people and government should remain European in their composition and character," and thus "oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind... to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races." The Statement also makes plain the organization's desire for the United States to be extremely Christian, curmudgeonly, and for its citizens to appear as hobbit-like as possible.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 23, 2010 8:57:40pm |
On the bright side, that segregated private school probably teaches "the controversy" allowing the public schools to teach evolution.
On the not-so-bright side, this is Mississippi, which I believe routinely has the worst schools in the nation, right?
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:00:58pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:01:00pm |
As a historical side note, I seem to recall there was a county in Virginia that chose to simply not have public schools rather than segregate. I wonder if I can find that article?
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Max Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:02:11pm |
It should also be noted that Haley Barbour is one of the most corrupt bastards in the country, even by Mississippi standards.
Family members and lobbyists profited from Katrina tragedy: “Among the beneficiaries are Barbour’s own family and friends, who have earned hundreds of thousands of dollars from hurricane-related business. A nephew, one of two who are lobbyists, saw his fees more than double in the year after his uncle appointed him to a special reconstruction panel.”
Owned controlling interest in 2002 New Hampshire phone jamming company: For nearly two hours on election day 2002, subcontractors for the telemarketing firm GOP Marketplace tied-up Democratic and union phone banks with repeated hang up calls. Multiple GOP officials eventually either pled guilty to or were convicted of criminally violating federal communications law. Barbour’s investment group, Helm Partners, was not only a major investor in GOP Marketplace, but it also held a controlling interest in the firm.
A former tobacco lobbyist, he killed Mississippi’s successful anti-smoking program: From 1998 to 2002, Barbour’s lobbying firm “was paid a total of $3.8 million by the tobacco companies.” As governor of Mississippi, he led an effort to defund and ultimately kill the state’s anti-smoking program, considered to be “the nation’s most successful anti-smoking programs.”
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:04:21pm |
[Link: www.americanheritage.com...]
Prince Edward County, Virginia. Schools were closed for five years.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:05:53pm |
re: #2 marjoriemoon
Isn't this the same group that Ann Coulter defended?
I get the feeling that she would defend a turd, and vociferously claim that there is indeed a clean end from which you could pick up such, if said turd only proclaimed it's hatred of liberals and it's love of Jesus.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:09:22pm |
re: #10 prairiefire
Keep turning over those rocks, Rachel.
You really don't have to turn over rocks for a lot of this stuff. It's out in the open. It's just that nobody pays any attention to it. Shining a light on it would be a more apt metaphor than turning over rocks.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:09:59pm |
re: #13 Conservative Moonbat
You really don't have to turn over rocks for a lot of this stuff. It's out in the open. It's just that nobody pays any attention to it. Shining a light on it would be a more apt metaphor than turning over rocks.
What if we got them to say it on American idol?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:10:57pm |
re: #11 EmmmieG
[Link: www.americanheritage.com...]
Prince Edward County, Virginia. Schools were closed for five years.
Good old defense of racial hierarchy from the region that leads America in butthurt.
And now something with which to annoy Neo-Confederates:
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:11:02pm |
Let's not forget that the Council of Conservative Citizens is also rather anti-Semitic.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:13:12pm |
re: #16 Gus 802
Let's not forget that the Council of Conservative Citizens is also rather anti-Semitic.
Yea lol Hating Blacks kinda goes hand in hand with hating Jews.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:15:12pm |
From ADL Backgrounder - The Council of Conservative Citizens
• In an essay on the web site, "A Call to White Americans," the author writes, "If we want to live, white Americans must begin today to lay the foundations for our future and our children’s future…Start today, fellow white Americans. Look at the faces around you: find the faces like yours, and see them as your brothers and sisters. Find the fair-skinned babies and see them as your children…"
• Another commentator on the site writes, "There appears to be a growth of a form of racial bigotry in the world today that is hardly noticed because its victims are white. This bigotry is anti-whitism. It is going largely unnoticed by many whites who some will argue have become so race whipped and aracial after 30 plus years of unending anti-white propaganda from the liberal elites that they don’t even think of themselves as a race or as a people."
• In December 1998, the CCC’s web site boasted that the group’s leadership had met with Jean-Marie Le Pen, the leader of the National Front, a xenophobic, racist, and anti-Semitic political party in France.
• Jared Taylor, editor of the racist publication, American Renaissance (AR) has addressed CCC meetings numerous times in 1998. AR describes itself as a "literate, undeceived journal of race, immigration and the decline of civility." In reality, the publication uses pseudo-science to justify racism and white separatism.
• In April 1998, Edward Butler, a Christian Identity preacher who publishes the vehemently anti-Semitic newsletter, "The New World Today," gave a talk to the Georgia chapter of the CCC. A recent issue of Butler’s newsletter reflects his views. He wrote, "…the U.S. government officials elected and appointed, are predominantly vassals of the Zionist New World Order. Jews control the wealth of the world and in turn they control the governments…Will you go on being a vassal of the Zionist slave state?"
• In December 1998, Michael Collins Piper spoke at the meeting of the National Capital Chapter of the CCC in Washington, D.C. Piper is a correspondent for The Spotlight, a newspaper published by Liberty Lobby, the most active anti-Semitic propaganda organization in the United States. At the meeting, Piper made anti-Semitic comments and accused Israel’s Mossad and the Anti-Defamation League of being involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
• In July 1995, David Duke addressed the meeting of the South Carolina chapter of the CCC, held at Clemson University. At the meeting, Duke, who has once again openly embraced his early extremist views, urged followers to fight for their "white genes."
• In April 1994, the Arkansas chapter of the CCC invited lawyer Kirk Lyons to speak to the group. Lyons has been a friend to and has represented numerous extremists in court cases, including white supremacist Louis Beam and James Wickstrom, a Christian Identity preacher and head of the Posse Commitatus, an anti-government group. Lyons has described himself as an "active sympathizer" of his clients’ causes. The spring 1998 newsletter of the CCC mentions that the organization has been working on a case with Southern Legal Resource Center, currently headed by Lyons.
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Max Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:15:39pm |
re: #17 marjoriemoon
Yea lol Hating Blacks kinda goes hand in hand with hating Jews.
Hating Jews is a great gig for white supremacists, then whenever a white person calls them out on their bullshit they can just call their opponents "Jews"; it's a pathetic ad-hominem attack.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:18:37pm |
Council of Conservative Citizens: Update
Posted: March 1, 2004
During the 2003 election, the CCC was at the center of another controversy involving the endorsement of a major politician. In July, Mississippi Republican gubernatorial nominee Haley Barbour, who served as Chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1993 to 1997, attended a CCC-sponsored barbecue. Though the attendance of local Republican and Democratic office-seekers at political events partly sponsored by the CCC usually evokes little controversy, this year the group posted on its Web site a photo of Barbour at the barbecue (l. to r.: Mississippi GOP aide Chip Reynolds, State Senator Bucky Huggins, Ray Martin, Barbour, John Thompson, and CCC Field Director Bill Lord.).
The photo was placed directly above a variety of racist and anti-Semitic materials, including an essay by outspoken anti-Semite Edgar J. Steele entitled "In Defense of Racism" and tracts urging that Germany be cleared of the "blood libel" of the Holocaust. Numerous civil rights organizations, including the NAACP, called on Barbour to ask the CCC to remove the photo, but Barbour, whose campaign included a pledge to preserve a version of the Mississippi state flag that includes an emblem of the Confederate flag, refused to do so. Though he condemned some of the views expressed on the CCC Web site as "indefensible," he insisted that the photo was in the public domain and could be used freely, by anyone. For its part, CCC Field Director Bill Lord said that the posting was a publicity stunt and should not be construed as an endorsement. Barbour won the election, and was sworn in as Governor of Mississippi in January 2004. The photo was removed from the site shortly after his victory.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:18:55pm |
re: #18 MikeySDCA
Haley Barbour was born in 1947. In the active period of the WCC, he was in high school, mostly worrying about his math test and his girlfriend. The people involved were his parents' friends and suchlike.
That's not an excuse, but it is a good start at an explanation.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:19:05pm |
re: #18 MikeySDCA
Haley Barbour was born in 1947. In the active period of the WCC, he was in high school, mostly worrying about his math test and his girlfriend. The people involved were his parents' friends and suchlike.
They're still in an active period, and Barbour is still with them.
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BishopX Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:20:52pm |
Alright lizards I'm heading off to bed. I'm going to leave you with this first.
Mr. Clark is one of an estimated one million black World War II veterans whose accomplishments were routinely ignored by the military.
Mr. Clark’s valor might never have been recognized, if not for an encounter with a community college teacher.
On May 3, 1945, the destroyer U.S.S. Aaron Ward was on “picket duty” to warn the fleet in Okinawa of impending Japanese attacks. At sunset, a kamikaze plane hit the deck in an explosion of fire. Five more planes followed in the next 51 minutes, killing dozens.
Yet the ship did not sink. As the planes struck, Mr. Clark, despite a broken collarbone, raced into the mayhem and manned a fire hose, one so powerful it usually took four men to control it, to douse flames headed for an ammunition locker, which would have exploded and split the ship.
Mr. Clark was a steward in a racially segregated Navy. His job was to serve, clean and shine shoes — and endure daily slurs from white enlisted men and officers. That he saved those same lives was omitted from the battle report, while white shipmates received the Bronze Star.
..SNIP...
When the ship’s only known surviving officer, Lefteris (Lefty) Lavrakas, a lieutenant who managed the deck guns, now 91, was located for the article, he said, “You go get justice for Carl.”
The remark set in motion efforts to give Mr. Clark his due.
Representative Anna G. Eshoo, a Democrat who is Mr. Clark’s congresswoman, obtained a Congressional decree honoring him, and then began lobbying the Navy for a medal.
Last month Ms. Eshoo’s efforts took a significant step forward when Mr. Lavrakas asked that Mr. Clark “be bestowed the highest military honors,” specifically, “the Medal of Honor and the Silver Star.”
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:22:41pm |
re: #18 MikeySDCA
Haley Barbour was born in 1947. In the active period of the WCC, he was in high school, mostly worrying about his math test and his girlfriend. The people involved were his parents' friends and suchlike.
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Max Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:26:24pm |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
One of the GOP Frontrunners for the 2012 nomination, eh?
Good call guys, good call.
Yep. Run a guy who looks and talks like the stereotypical racist southern sheriff and put him up against the first black president.
Sounds like a winning strategy.//
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:26:39pm |
re: #21 Gus 802
Indeed, Rachel mentions it in her segment.
If the GOP wants to keep propping up old, racist, white guys for Prez, I say let them go with their bad selves!
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:27:51pm |
re: #27 marjoriemoon
Marj! What a week. Who would have thought it on Nov. 3rd?
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:28:08pm |
re: #26 Max D. Reinhardt
Yep. Run a guy who looks and talks like the stereotypical racist southern sheriff and put him up against the first black president.
Sounds like a winning strategy.//
The first debate format can be dueling banjos.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:29:03pm |
This Saturday, CofCC.org will be hosting a virtual fan party during the broadcast of the Political Cesspool radio show. Jared Taylor of American Renaissance will be a guest on the show.
Fans will be able to talk to each other on cofcc.org while the show is going on. James Edwards and other TPC co-hosts will be logged in as well.
Info on American Renaissance website.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:33:42pm |
Sorry to go OT so early, but has anyone heard anything about Bedfordshire Police Department in England adopting special orders for how to treat Muslim suspects?
Someone sent it to a list I'm on, and it simply looks suspicious.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:33:59pm |
re: #26 Max D. Reinhardt
Yep. Run a guy who looks and talks like the stereotypical racist southern sheriff and put him up against the first black president.
Sounds like a winning strategy.//
He does talk like a good ole' boy, though. He's very smart and well organized (he was a much better RNC chair than Michael Steele and his actions). But as has been said (it was said in Reason so I cannot like, but Radley Balko is not a crazy) that Jackson is a modern city now, the northwest corner of the state is now the Memphis suburbs, and the Gulf Coast is somewhat cosmopolitan; but other than those places it's still Mississippi. Much of the white population of the state still does not accept the idea of racial equality.
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prairiefire Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:36:00pm |
Lifted from a recent NPR interview with a journalist~Hodding Carter the 3rd, who was actively familiar with Yazoo City's citizen council in the late 50's and early 60's:
Cornish: So you actually did some reporting on citizens councils back in the '60s. Tell us, how did they come about and why?
Carter: They were formed in the Delta, which is where our paper was. They were formed for one reason only: to oppose any form of integration. They were formed immediately after the desegregation decision of 1954. And let me just read one little phrase from their organizing pamphlet. "The citizens council is the South's answer to the mongrelizers. We will not be integrated. We are proud of our white blood and our white heritage of 60 centuries." That was the point. And at every point they had a chance, they used pressure of every sort except overt violence to put down any dissent from total white supremacy. …
Cornish: So what kind of methods did they use?
Carter: Well, Yazoo City is a good example of what they used. A group of some 50 or so black citizens in Yazoo City signed a petition asking for the desegregation of the schools really early. The citizens council published, not only in the newspaper, but on placards around town, the names of all of those who had signed that petition, suggested people look at those names carefully. Within two weeks all but something like 12 of those 50-something names had been stricken. Some of the people had left town, some of the businesses that they had had been closed. Immediate, fast, uh, a very quick lesson in what non-violence meant to the citizens council.
Cornish: I do want to say civil rights leader Medgar Evers was killed in 1963 by a member of a citizens council in Jackson, Mississippi, and there is other evidence of use of violence by members of councils. Was the Yazoo City council different?
Carter: The citizens council was always extremely careful to use rhetoric which said we will not … we do not condone … we will prevent the destruction of our way of life by other means. But you should not be surprised, they would say, if the effort to stop it peacefully fails, if violence breaks out. That was as coded an invitation as you would want to those who would take up violence that, if things got to it, nobody was ever going to turn against them. And, indeed, nobody in the citizens council in Mississippi at any time, and I was there throughout the entire period, got up and led the charge to bring the killers to justice, to expose them. The killers in Mississippi swam in a sea of citizens council control and therefore protection for what they did. Never, ever were those people brought to justice by white leadership.
Cornish: And how are we to interpret Gov. Barbour's memories of Yazoo City and his statement about these councils? I mean, what does it say about him and maybe his political prospects?
Carter: Well, Haley is a younger man than I am, and he could be forgiven for a slight lapse of memory since he was not in the middle of the business at the time that it was really hot. On the other hand, he was from a family of leadership in Yazoo City and he knows perfectly well what kind of force was used - economic and other forms in Yazoo City to "hold things down," as they used to like to say. Why was he saying that? I think he was talking to a sympathetic interviewer and he lost his mind.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:36:43pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
He doesn't talk like a good ole' boy, though. He's very smart and well organized (he was a much better RNC chair than Michael Steele and his actions). But as has been said (it was said in Reason so I cannot like, but Radley Balko is not a crazy) that Jackson is a modern city now, the northwest corner of the state is now the Memphis suburbs, and the Gulf Coast is somewhat cosmopolitan; but other than those places it's still Mississippi. Much of the white population of the state still does not accept the idea of racial equality.
PIMF
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:40:51pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:41:38pm |
Just re-read that article. What I find interesting in the article is the response from one of the lead anti-segregationist. He states that he has never treated a black person discourteously or received such treatment.
Wow. Wow. And wow.
This man (this was 1979 when he said it) that saying, "Look, nothing personal, I just don't want your child to sit next to mine. Also, yours can attend in the run-down tar paper shack with old books and maps, and mine can get everything new."
He saw nothing discourteous in all of that. This leads me to question whether he was lying, or simply so seriously in denial that he couldn''t see his actions for what they were.
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austin_blue Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:44:16pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Racists Totally Freak Out Over Idris Elba Playing Norse God in 'Thor'
Avon is okay, but Stringer is mighty fine.
((comment about his role in The Wire))
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:44:17pm |
re: #36 EmmmieG
Just re-read that article. What I find interesting in the article is the response from one of the lead anti-segregationist. He states that he has never treated a black person discourteously or received such treatment.
Wow. Wow. And wow.
This man (this was 1979 when he said it) that saying, "Look, nothing personal, I just don't want your child to sit next to mine. Also, yours can attend in the run-down tar paper shack with old books and maps, and mine can get everything new."
He saw nothing discourteous in all of that. This leads me to question whether he was lying, or simply so seriously in denial that he couldn''t see his actions for what they were.
I think he was just so used to the idea of white supremacy that the idea that it could be wrong literally had never occured to him. Not so much denial as indoctrination and blindness.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:45:04pm |
re: #36 EmmmieG
Just re-read that article. What I find interesting in the article is the response from one of the lead anti-segregationist. He states that he has never treated a black person discourteously or received such treatment.
Wow. Wow. And wow.
This man (this was 1979 when he said it) that saying, "Look, nothing personal, I just don't want your child to sit next to mine. Also, yours can attend in the run-down tar paper shack with old books and maps, and mine can get everything new."
He saw nothing discourteous in all of that. This leads me to question whether he was lying, or simply so seriously in denial that he couldn''t see his actions for what they were.
Think of the incredible, unconscious sexism that stands out in writing from before the women's movement. All said by men who would have been horrified at the idea that they would be rude to a woman. All they wanted was for women to accept and understand their social, intellectual, and fiscal dependence and inferiority.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:46:34pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Racists Totally Freak Out Over Idris Elba Playing Norse God in 'Thor'
Yikes. That group photo. They look like...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:49:07pm |
re: #37 austin_blue
Avon is okay, but Stringer is mighty fine.
((comment about his role in The Wire))
Stringer Bell was an excellent character. David Simon caught a lot of flack for killing him off, but he justified that action well and it really did make sense. Stringer was trying to reform the drug trade, only to find that it proved intolerant of reform (Simon's words, not mine).
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sagehen Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:52:39pm |
re: #7 EmmmieG
As a historical side note, I seem to recall there was a county in Virginia that chose to simply not have public schools rather than segregate. I wonder if I can find that article?
That would be Prince Georges County; from 1956 to 1961, there were no public schools in the county. Oddly enough, the state legislature "found" some loophole in the law such that the "private" schools (all-white, of course) somehow managed to get state grants, so they were still taxpayer supported.
And the black kids whose schooling ended in 3rd or 4th or 5th grade when the public schools closed? Let's just take it for granted that 20 years later, they weren't much able to help their kids with their homework...
This is the "culture of poverty", the "black pathology" that makes them "unable to succeed" -- this is why the 1964 Civil Rights Act isn't quite long enough ago to say there's an even playing field now and nobody should need Affirmative Action anymore.
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Kragar Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:53:52pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
Yikes. That group photo. They look like...
I wonder if they freaked out about Elizabeth Taylor playing an Eygptian or John Wayne as a Mongol.
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austin_blue Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:55:50pm |
re: #41 Dark_Falcon
Stringer Bell was an excellent character. David Simon caught a lot of flack for killing him off, but he justified that action well and it really did make sense. Stringer was trying to reform the drug trade, only to find that it proved intolerant of reform (Simon's words, not mine).
The Wire was a lovely series and Stringer got what he deserved.
Idris is a fine actor and deserves the rejection of the hoi polloi before judgement is made on his performance in this film. Let;s be honest, it's because a black actor is playing a traditionally white role.
Duh.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:56:06pm |
re: #33 prairiefire
Carter: Well, Haley is a younger man than I am, and he could be forgiven for a slight lapse of memory since he was not in the middle of the business at the time that it was really hot. On the other hand, he was from a family of leadership in Yazoo City and he knows perfectly well what kind of force was used - economic and other forms in Yazoo City to "hold things down," as they used to like to say. Why was he saying that? I think he was talking to a sympathetic interviewer and he lost his mind.
This is really disgraceful.
Medgar Evers was killed in June of 1963.
Other protests by blacks were met with violence. At sit-ins which began on May 28, 1963, participants were sprayed with paint and had pepper thrown in their eyes. Students who sang movement songs during lunch after the bombing of NAACP field director Medgar Evers' home were beaten. Evers himself was the most visible target for violence. He was a native of Mississippi and World War II veteran who was greeted by a mob of gun-wielding whites when he attempted to register after the war in his hometown of Decatur. He later said, "We fought during the war for America, Mississippi included. Now, after the Germans and Japanese hadn't killed us, it looked as though the white Mississippians would."....
...At an NAACP rally on June 7, Medgar Evers told the crowd, "Freedom has never been free . . . I love my children and I love my wife with all my heart. And I would die, and die gladly, if that would make a better life for them." [44] Five days later, he was shot and killed as he returned home around midnight. Byron de la Beckwith, a member of the Citizens' Council, was arrested for Evers' murder, but he was set free after two trials ended in hung juries. He later ran for lieutenant governor.
One year later, 3 civil rights workers, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were murdered which became one of the pivotal moments in the civil rights movements. Barbour was 17 in 1964. "Lapse of memory" doesn't cut it.
The Citizens Council was involved in those murders, too.
Aware that their station wagon's license number had been given to members of the notorious White Citizens' Council and Ku Klux Klan, before leaving Meridian they informed other Council of Federated Organizations (COFO) workers of their plans and set check-in times in accordance with standard security procedures. Late that afternoon, Neshoba County deputy Cecil Price — himself a member of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan — stopped the blue Ford carrying the trio. He arrested Chaney for allegedly driving 35 miles per hour over the speed limit. He also booked Goodman and Schwerner, "for investigation."
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sagehen Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:56:43pm |
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:57:38pm |
re: #36 EmmmieG
Just re-read that article. What I find interesting in the article is the response from one of the lead anti-segregationist. He states that he has never treated a black person discourteously or received such treatment.
Wow. Wow. And wow.
This man (this was 1979 when he said it) that saying, "Look, nothing personal, I just don't want your child to sit next to mine. Also, yours can attend in the run-down tar paper shack with old books and maps, and mine can get everything new."
He saw nothing discourteous in all of that. This leads me to question whether he was lying, or simply so seriously in denial that he couldn''t see his actions for what they were.
These were the arguments against Blacks in the military. They didn't want the white soldiers to shower alongside black soldiers.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 9:59:16pm |
re: #42 sagehen
Would love to see your comment in the top 10 :)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:05:54pm |
Rachel Maddow, still pretty much the only good reason to watch cable news
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sagehen Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:06:32pm |
re: #44 austin_blue
The Wire was a lovely series and Stringer got what he deserved.
Idris is a fine actor and deserves the rejection of the hoi polloi before judgement is made on his performance in this film. Let;s be honest, it's because a black actor is playing a traditionally white role.
Duh.
Why would an invisible, imaginary, mythological sky dweller be "a traditionally white role"? Even in old Norse poems, there's nothing about Thor appearing to people and looking like one of them.
(p.s. -- [Link: www.mwctoys.com...] is what Thor looks like. Duh.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:07:22pm |
re: #36 EmmmieG
Just re-read that article. What I find interesting in the article is the response from one of the lead anti-segregationist. He states that he has never treated a black person discourteously or received such treatment.
Wow. Wow. And wow.
This man (this was 1979 when he said it) that saying, "Look, nothing personal, I just don't want your child to sit next to mine. Also, yours can attend in the run-down tar paper shack with old books and maps, and mine can get everything new."
He saw nothing discourteous in all of that. This leads me to question whether he was lying, or simply so seriously in denial that he couldn''t see his actions for what they were.
Well, of course he sees nothing discourteous. he thinks blacks are subhuman, so he's giving them all the courtesy he thinks they warrant.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:07:46pm |
re: #51 sagehen
Yeah, I was kind of wondering if it would burst their bubble to be told that Thor was, above all, imaginary.
So he could look like whatever we want him to.
I nominate Dolly Parton.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:08:10pm |
re: #51 sagehen
Why would an invisible, imaginary, mythological sky dweller be "a traditionally white role"? Even in old Norse poems, there's nothing about Thor appearing to people and looking like one of them.
(p.s. -- [Link: www.mwctoys.com...] is what Thor looks like. Duh.)
Thor's wife is described as a blonde. And I assume the Norse visualized their gods as looking like them. But this is the movies, you see, and we get to do cool stuff like color-blind casting...
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jaunte Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:08:25pm |
re: #51 sagehen
It's a War on Norse Mythology! Everything is runed!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:09:16pm |
re: #26 Max D. Reinhardt
Yep. Run a guy who looks and talks like the stereotypical racist southern sheriff and put him up against the first black president.
Sounds like a winning strategy.//
oh fuck, hahahaha I hadn't even considered that
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:09:35pm |
re: #55 jaunte
It's a War on Norse Mythology! Everything is runed!
what's next? The Thing played by a guy who isn't made of rocks?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:12:18pm |
re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The first debate format can be dueling banjos.
I truly hate the fact that banjos are associated with backward thinking racists, when they should be associated with forward thinking comedians.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:12:49pm |
re: #58 Gus 802
I'd bet heavily that the Council of Citizens who are Concerned had no idea who in Hades Heimdall was until Marvel told them.
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palomino Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:13:04pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Racists Totally Freak Out Over Idris Elba Playing Norse God in 'Thor'
This underscores a weird contradiction in the CCC and other nativist reactionary groups. They just love Europe when it comes to white skin, Christianity and certain parts of history. But they can't stand modern Europe politically, socially or intellectually. Apparently today's Europe just isn't European enough for them.
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What, me worry? Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:14:17pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Thor's wife is described as a blonde. And I assume the Norse visualized their gods as looking like them. But this is the movies, you see, and we get to do cool stuff like color-blind casting...
I'm thinking Thor's main squeeze may just look like Serena!
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sagehen Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:14:42pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:18:46pm |
re: #60 jaunte
I wonder, if you go far back enough in their archives, what their reaction was to Will Smith playing the role of James West back in '99.
I recall an old buddy of mine laughing his ass off about that, because he knew it would burn his racist grandpa's hide.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:18:59pm |
re: #63 sagehen
Scientists believe with complete certainty that Heimdall never wore a sheep hat.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:23:04pm |
Not only that but it's not going to be a "historical" account of the Thor mythology. It's going to be a "Marvel Comics" movie based on the "Mighty Thor" comics.
[Link: thor.marvel.com...]
[Link: marvel.com...]
Idiots.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:26:45pm |
* Idris Elba as Heimdall: The all-seeing, all-hearing Asgardian sentry of the bifröst bridge, based on the mythological deity of the same name. News of Elba's casting was met by online complaints from some comic book fans who saw it as inappropriate for a Norse deity to be played by a black actor. The casting also prompted a boycott of the film by white supremacists. In response to the boycott Elba said, “Thor’s mythical, right? Thor has a hammer that flies to him when he clicks his fingers. That’s OK, but the color of my skin is wrong?” About his casting, Elba remarked, "[C]asting now is taking definitely a more open-eyed approach to it. I was cast in Thor and I'm cast as a Nordic god. If you know anything about the Nords, they don’t look like me but there you go. I think that's a sign of the times for the future. I think we will see multi-level casting ... and I think that's good". Elba also stated that he was inspired by the source material: "I looked at the comic books actually because Heimdall, he’s a very central character and I wanted to reflect him as he is in the comic books".
Morons.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:28:16pm |
As we take the time to decry the forces of stupidity that encumber this Earth, let's not forget that Oprah is also on a one woman campaign to slow down the progress of all man kind, that douche.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:29:34pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:31:27pm |
Some people just s=deserv
*spit*
if they are lucky.
Stomps off in frustration.
(Drama queen mode is on for the next 5 minutes, then it's off permanently)
It's just nit me.
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jaunte Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:32:09pm |
Time for sleep. Goodnight all.
Here's some light reading, for anyone staying up:
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:32:24pm |
re: #60 jaunte
I'd bet heavily that the Council of Citizens who are Concerned had no idea who in Hades Heimdall was until Marvel told them.
Agreed. this is just their way of literally scaring up support with their tales of "White Civilization Under Attack!!!11".
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:32:30pm |
A congressman was seated next to a little girl on an airplane so he turned to her and said, "Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger."
The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger, "What would you want to talk about?"
"Oh, I don't know," said the congressman. "How about global warming, universal health care, or stimulus packages?" as he smiled smugly.
"OK," she said. "Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question
first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?"
The legislator, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, "Hmmm, I have no idea."
To which the little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss global warming, universal health care, or the economy, when you don't know shit?"
And then she went back to reading her book.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:32:38pm |
re: #72 Floral Giraffe
Now there's a need to be edited, if I ever saw one!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:32:47pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:33:01pm |
Hey Lizards!
How is everyone this evening/morning?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:33:18pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:35:09pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
Oprah is not exactly a pillar of critical thinking, let's put it like that.
Very politely said!
LOL!
Damning, nonetheless.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:36:24pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:37:56pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
Word. But she's got big money and big pull. Not unlike a Pat Robertson type, but for the "woo woo" crowd.
They both disgust me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:38:04pm |
re: #74 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. this is just their way of literally scaring up support with their tales of "White Civilization Under Attack!!!11".
For the Lord's sake. I love Norse mythology, and I so wish that racists would not glom onto it so. The Norse were not racists, folks. They were white because they were Northern Europeans, not as some kind of avocation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:39:06pm |
re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth
A lot of stupid assholes complained about a homosexual playing the role of Gandalf as well.
Pathetic, petty little children, stomping their sad little first century feet here on twenty-first century ground. I can't wait 'til we find new planets to colonize.
Because Gandalf in the books slept with women every chance he got?
I don't recall those parts.
//
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:39:43pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to wonder how many little Norse babies were made from the "wenches" they "met" in the areas they "visited".
Racial purity is a joke.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:41:04pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
Culture Warriors need to attach themselves to some kind of "ultimate authority" in order to justify their bullshit , and there is no authority more ultimate than a god. And any god will do.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:41:12pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
For the Lord's sake. I love Norse mythology, and I so wish that racists would not glom onto it so. The Norse were not racists, folks. They were white because they were Northern Europeans, not as some kind of avocation.
Sadly, the Norse myths have often fit the "heroic whites" images sought by racists. So the scumbags seize upon the them.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:42:18pm |
Because it has to be shared.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:43:55pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:44:35pm |
re: #85 ggt
I have to wonder how many little Norse babies were made from the "wenches" they "met" in the areas they "visited".
Racial purity is a joke.
Yes, but like any totalitarians these sorts of white supremacists react to such information with "Crimestop" (to use George Orwell's word for it from 1984 ). They have protective stupidity and are either disinterested or actively hostile to any thoughts that lead in a direction they find to be heretical.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:45:07pm |
o.t., but i wanted to post my reply to one of my regular wingnut correspondants from our debate re net neutrality:
If I choose not to pay the extra money both both for a nifty new gadget and monthly access how is that somehow a right to gain such use anyway?
right now, betsy can disseminate her opinions on the web just as cheaply as anybody else. nobody charges more for you to read her page than to go to msnbc or LGF, nobody puts her page on a slow pipe and msnbc on a fast one, and she isn't charged particularly any more to post her page than anybody else renting hosting from the same service. right now, the internet is, in actual reality, a very democratic forum where money is no real barrier to free speech. hypothetically, television could be the same way, but it isn't. it costs a lot to get your face on the air, and with the coming of cable, the premium packages give you access to channels you don't get on the basic plan
this isn't about legal or constitutional rights. there is no constitutional right to be able to publish whatever you want and communicate with the entire world at for $8.54 a month and with essentially no censorship. it is just a realization of democracy in action that actually happens to exist right now. the name for this is Net Neutrality
there is no civil or constitutional right to not have the cost of internet access, both from the publishing as well as the reading point of view, priced according to whatever the providers desire, and there is no civil or constitutional right to not have, say, conservative web page bloggers charged extra to get their page on the web, and consumers charged more to get there, so that web service providers can drive traffic - by charging less - to more commercial sites by providing cheaper access to them, or driving traffic to websites with ideological content that they like. no constitutional right at all
it would just be the end of the state of democracy we happen to have on the web at the moment
i like free speech and democracy. if it doesn't mean that much to you, that's your business
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:45:57pm |
re: #86 Slumbering Behemoth
Culture Warriors need to attach themselves to some kind of "ultimate authority" in order to justify their bullshit , and there is no authority more ultimate than a god. And any god will do.
I think there are people who consider that Culture has no Color AND consider themselves Culture Warriors. The disconnect is that they don't see the how they are perceived by the rest of the world, so they don't make the distinction in their minds. They get used by the Whacko's on both sides.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:46:44pm |
re: #89 Slumbering Behemoth
I saw that movie!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:47:26pm |
re: #91 engineer dog
i like free speech and democracy. if it doesn't mean that much to you, that's your business
I like that part the best.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:47:55pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
Yes, but like any totalitarians these sorts of white supremacists react to such information with "Crimestop" (to use George Orwell's word for it from 1984 ). They have protective stupidity and are either disinterested or actively hostile to any thoughts that lead in a direction they find to be heretical.
Oh, I forgot, a woman can't have a baby if she isn't married. . . .my mother actually told me that when I was little.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:51:55pm |
I've been gone so long, there is soooo much I haven't shared, forgive if it is old:
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Dec 23, 2010 10:57:50pm |
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:00:05pm |
re: #98 Floral Giraffe
I love that one!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:00:32pm |
re: #85 ggt
I have to wonder how many little Norse babies were made from the "wenches" they "met" in the areas they "visited".
Racial purity is a joke.
It's also, in the sense that these people mean it, quite a modern concept.
OK, one of my favorite Norse stories, which has nothing to do with race:
Erik the Red led the first or second (can't recall) Norse attempt at colonizing Greenland. He was a pagan, his wife was a Christian. She wanted a chapel built on the farm so she could pray there and invite priests to say Mass. Erik, however, didn't think it was a hot priority, and put it off. Mrs. Erik then told him there would be no sex until she had her chapel.
It was built promptly. The ruins are still visible at the site.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:03:28pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
I get frustrated on the topic because there is no scientific way to define it or determine it. Give me a blood test and data showing that it makes a difference and MAYBE I'll think about racial purity having some real meaning.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:05:03pm |
re: #93 ggt
One of my favorite movies, and that particular scene is one of my all time favorites. Tarantino can write some epic dialogue.
I find that scene particularly potent, because Hopper's character spent time in previous scenes talking about how hard it was for him to quit smoking, and how he'll never touch another cigarette for as long as he lives.
In that scene, at first he refuses the offer of a smoke. A moment later, he asks for a smoke, knowing that this will be his last day on earth, and knowing that he must give a speech so offensive to his captors that, in anger, they will kill him before they can squeeze any further information out of him.
He takes the condemned's last cigarette, and sacrifices himself for his son's safety. Very powerful scene.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:06:17pm |
re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth
Yes, and then they find the address posted to the fridge with a magnet. WHAT a let-down.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:06:32pm |
re: #95 ggt
Oh, I forgot, a woman can't have a baby if she isn't married. . . .my mother actually told me that when I was little.
Pre-marital sex FTW then, I suppose.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:06:39pm |
re: #92 ggt
I think there are people who consider that Culture has no Color AND consider themselves Culture Warriors. The disconnect is that they don't see the how they are perceived by the rest of the world, so they don't make the distinction in their minds. They get used by the Whacko's on both sides.
I've undoubtedly got Norse ancestors. So do the vast majority of African-Americans, I reckon. Neither of us is what these yahoos mean when they talk about 'white people', though.
Lot of my African-American students are very proud of their European ancestry, and can tell you about being Irish, or French, or what have you. It's important to them. But once again, not what these people are talking about. For them it's all about this fantasy that being 'white' is some kind of real thing.
I once had quite a long, weird conversation online with a guy who insisted that he was not a racist, and it was all about 'Indo-European' culture and keeping that culture pure by inmarriage.
He told me, quite apologetically, that he did consider me a 'mongrel', and hoped that did not hurt my feelings.
He seemed sincere about that.
I asked him if he had a choice, would he rather his son marry a Basque girl (non-Indo European language), or a Roma or Hindu or Iranian girl (Indo-European languages spoken by all these cultures.)
I never did get an answer.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:08:23pm |
re: #101 ggt
I get frustrated on the topic because there is no scientific way to define it or determine it. Give me a blood test and data showing that it makes a difference and MAYBE I'll think about racial purity having some real meaning.
It's purely a social concept. There is no biological basis for 'white' and 'not white'.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:10:52pm |
re: #103 ggt
Also, one of my favorite lines...
"I don't believe you."
"That is of minor importance. What is of major fucking importance is that I believe you."
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:11:32pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
Some women would be offended when compared to a dog (mongrel), so I can give a pass on that comment.
I also wonder if his decision about the marriage of his child would be different if his parents were alive or not. I know I vowed never to date a black man while my father was alive because I truly feared my father would either kill me or him. That's just how he was--he wouldn't have cared if the man was his neighbor or co-worker. People get weird when their children are involved and it can be hard make the decision between your family or your love.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:12:35pm |
re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth
What's her face, blondie, was GREAT in that movie. The hotel room fight scene was well done.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:12:44pm |
Something I read once, and have always meant to learn more about, is that in some of the early American colonies, there were laws passed to prevent white men from leaving their property to children they had with African women. In the absence of legitimate heirs, men considered the kids they had with slave mistresses as the logical people to inherit their stuff--as would have been the norm in most cultures for many thousands of years.
This was seen, apparently, as potentially leading to breakdown of the new racial order starting to develop, and was legally discouraged.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:13:50pm |
Now we know what she did with the $$ from DWTS:
Palin buys 5-bedroom house in Arizona
Only $172k. Was repossessed and fixed up and put on the market. Probably a smart shopper wrt houses, given that she's buying at the trough.
DWTS supposedly pays a starting $200k for their "stars", plus a stepped bonus for making it each week.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:14:03pm |
I can't pay a bill at a restaurant without remembering the "pay the fucking tip" scene from Reservoir Dogs.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:14:39pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't know who I dislike more. Soft racists like that, or hard racists who state thing bluntly.
Meh, fuck 'em all.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:15:14pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
Something I read once, and have always meant to learn more about, is that in some of the early American colonies, there were laws passed to prevent white men from leaving their property to children they had with African women. In the absence of legitimate heirs, men considered the kids they had with slave mistresses as the logical people to inherit their stuff--as would have been the norm in most cultures for many thousands of years.
This was seen, apparently, as potentially leading to breakdown of the new racial order starting to develop, and was legally discouraged.
Fathers would smuggle their "mulatto" children to the North in order to save them from slavery. How pathetic a system.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:17:45pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
The Puritans were anything but "pure". Bunch of racist theocrats who had nothing in common with our founding principles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:18:00pm |
re: #108 ggt
Some women would be offended when compared to a dog (mongrel), so I can give a pass on that comment.
I also wonder if his decision about the marriage of his child would be different if his parents were alive or not. I know I vowed never to date a black man while my father was alive because I truly feared my father would either kill me or him. That's just how he was--he wouldn't have cared if the man was his neighbor or co-worker. People get weird when their children are involved and it can be hard make the decision between your family or your love.
All true, but this guy was, in fact, just a big ol' racist with a way of justifying it to himself. Strange man. We had a very long discussion about the whole thing.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:19:01pm |
re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist
But, it's not just an American thing I've learned. Although the South took it to a new level. I forget which book(s), but I learned that blacks weren't safe anywhere on the planet--still aren't. Wish I could remember . . . something about a freed American black being stolen and sold from a ship he was working on . . .
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:19:48pm |
re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth
except that they wanted to worship God without government interference . . .
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:20:06pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:21:05pm |
re: #114 ggt
Fathers would smuggle their "mulatto" children to the North in order to save them from slavery. How pathetic a system.
There's a delightful children's novel, "Elijah of Buxton", which is about a young boy who is the first child born in freedom in a community of escaped slaves living in Canada.
He is noted in the community as the boy who spit up on Frederick Douglass when he was a baby. Apparently great orators don't stop to think that when you wave a child through the air, calling him a beacon of hope, it's only going to end one way.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:22:08pm |
re: #118 ggt
except that they wanted to worship God without government interference . . .
Jon Stewart has a very funny bit about how the Puritans came to America, not to escape religious persecution, but to show the English what REAL religious persecution looked like.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:22:21pm |
re: #118 ggt
except that they wanted to worship God without government interference . . .
They wanted to force their beliefs of what it meant to worship god on others, and in a most totalitarian way.
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:24:17pm |
i once had a conversation with a cab driver in nyc. he was fresh out of west africa as so many cab drivers are fresh out of somewhere and getting a super fast education in the theory and practice of being an american
i was talking to him apologetically about how in america today, altho our anti-racist, 'anybody who works hard and plays by the rules belongs here no matter where they were born and where they come from' philosophy is alive and well, there is of course, just the same, plenty of racism
he just laughed at me and said "where i come from, the people on the hill hate the people in the valley"
it isn't really about race. it's about other things
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:24:31pm |
re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth
Well, they certainly had good examples in Europe.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:25:34pm |
re: #123 engineer dog
People will find a way to make distinctions and then judgments from those distinctions.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:27:16pm |
Another of my favorite scenes from that move is when dude hands the bad guy an empty envelope and says:
"What's in that envelope is for my peace of mind. My peace of mind is worth that much. Not one penny more, not one penny more."
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:28:10pm |
Biden on Pat Robertson’s Push to Legalize Pot: It’s ‘A Mistake’
Pat Robertson might want to legalize marijuana but as for the vice president -- he said it’s a bad idea.
“I still believe it's a gateway drug. I've spent a lot of my life as chairman of the Judiciary Committee dealing with this. I think it would be a mistake to legalize,” Vice President Joe Biden said in an exclusive interview.
In an episode of the "700 Club" Robertson said sending people to jail for a few ounces of pot is “costing us a fortune and it’s ruining young people.”
"We're locking up people that have taken a couple puffs of marijuana and next thing you know they've got 10 years with mandatory sentences," Robertson said.
“We've got to take a look at what we're considering crimes and that's one of 'em,” he added.
Biden said that there is a difference between sending people to jail for a small amount of marijuana and legalizing it.
“The punishment should fit the crime. But I think legalization is a mistake,” he told me.
Blockhead.
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RadicalModerate Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:30:23pm |
Arrest blotter story of the week, and fits the "stupid racists doing stupid things" mold:
Fight over beer leads to arrest of former KKK leader, son
A fight over who gets to drink the "good beer" led to the arrest of a former Ku Klux Klan leader and his son in rural east Osceola County, the Sheriff's Office said.
Troy Hixon, 45, his girlfriend, another woman and his father, George Hixon, 73, were drinking Wednesday night when Troy Hixon threw his girlfriend down and began shooting into the ground near her, a sheriff's report states.
George Hixon served time in federal prison in the late 1980s for possessing an unregistered machine gun. When drug agents searched his home at the time, they found evidence that he was a leader of the Ku Klux Klan in Osceola County, they said at the time.
Troy Hixon's girlfriend, whose name was not released, told deputies that an argument began after she complained that she was forced to drink cheap beer while the men drank "good beer" — Budweiser, according to the report.
I'm left wondering what the "bad beer" was.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:30:48pm |
re: #127 Gus 802
Have we figured out what prompted Roberson to make this announcement?
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:31:19pm |
re: #129 ggt
Have we figured out what prompted Roberson to make this announcement?
None that I read.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:31:44pm |
re: #123 engineer dog
For the Tutsi's and the Hutu's, it was very much about race. Just not about skin color.
We as a species will always find our differences, and figure out a way to hate each other for them.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:32:05pm |
re: #128 RadicalModerate
Stupid Racist AND Stupid Sexist!
And why do women put up with such shit. Get up and get the damn beer YOU want to drink.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:33:17pm |
re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth
For the Tutsi's and the Hutu's, it was very much about race. Just not about skin color.
We as a species will always find our differences, and figure out a way to hate each other for them.
Insecurity. Have to bring someone else down to feel superior.
Too much work to raise oneself UP.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:34:07pm |
When it rains heavily (rare) in SoCal the place just falls apart - literally:
A helicopter tour of the Mission Valley area:
[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]
[Link: www.nbcsandiego.com...]
The stadium crews did work overnight to get Qualcomm stadium ready for the Poinsettia Bowl. Navy lost bad, btw.
The stadium, Mission Valley, etc. are all on the flood plain of the San Diego River, and they always flood when the major rain incidents occur (every decade or two.) Yet the community just keeps building/rebuilding there. Someday people will realize we can't afford to keep building in flood prone areas and having to rebuild infrastructure. Until then we just plow ahead blissfully.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:34:36pm |
re: #130 Gus 802
Perhaps he thinks he can win some Libertarians to his side. :)
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:35:37pm |
re: #135 ggt
Perhaps he thinks he can win some Libertarians to his side. :)
Maybe. I thought perhaps he had a family member that got in trouble with the law or maybe he knows some people that are using medical marijuana.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:35:40pm |
re: #134 freetoken
job security for the construction industry? continual pay-offs for the politicans?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:38:56pm |
re: #136 Gus 802
I thought about that too, but I'm in a cynical mood.
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freetoken Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:39:02pm |
re: #137 ggt
Blind exuberance by the real estate industry. And yes, the politicians are heavily influenced by the real estate players.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:40:26pm |
re: #133 ggt
Insecurity. Have to bring someone else down to feel superior.
Too much work to raise oneself UP.
It's about a lot of things, all of them ugly.
There was a time when the Brits considered the Scots an inferior race, despite sharing the same complexion.
Sometimes it's about more than just insecurity. Sometimes it's about generating support for hacking off a mother fucker's limbs and taking his shit.
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Gus Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:41:39pm |
re: #138 ggt
I thought about that too, but I'm in a cynical mood.
Well the cynical angle would be he's trying to attract more younger audiences. Also as baby boomers age. Sitting around the house watching the 700 Club smoking a big fatty.
/
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:42:04pm |
re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth
It's about a lot of things, all of them ugly.
There was a time when the Brits considered the Scots an inferior race, despite sharing the same complexion.
Sometimes it's about more than just insecurity. Sometimes it's about generating support for hacking off a mother fucker's limbs and taking his shit.
Yeah, Greed and Lust for Power are the usual players.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:42:43pm |
re: #141 Gus 802
One would have to to watch the 700 Club.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:46:39pm |
re: #143 ggt
One would have to to watch the 700 Club.
For a time I did, and in the method that Gus suggests. Mostly to mock such folly.
The rhetoric was funny to me then. Now...
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engineer cat Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:47:31pm |
pat robertson can be unexpectedly cool while at the same time being insane and an asshole. i read a book of his back in the 90s. it's mostly an omnium gatherum of conspiracy theories, one world socialist government run by the united nations watch out for the world currency, that sort of thing
and there smack in the middle of the book is a passionate essay about how multinational corporations are destroying local farm economies in africa by tempting them to replace their traditional subsistence farming with international market monoculture farming
huh
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:51:18pm |
re: #144 Slumbering Behemoth
For a time I did, and in the method that Gus suggests. Mostly to mock such folly.
The rhetoric was funny to me then. Now...
I JUST noticed the previous thread. And to be honest, I laughed out-loud. WTF?
The only way I can get thru this stuff is with a sense of humor. There isn't enough Prozac in the world . . . .
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:52:08pm |
I have to sleep.
Have a great Christmas Eve/Friday all!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Dec 23, 2010 11:55:42pm |
re: #145 engineer dog
And there is always big talk about the satanic evils of the...
DUN, DUN, DUN!!!
"Money Changers."
If you have ever visited a country where you've had to exchange your native currency for that of the local kind, you have participated in propping up a horrifying, demonic practice.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:18:27am |
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BongCrodny Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:23:57am |
re: #109 ggt
What's her face, blondie, was GREAT in that movie. The hotel room fight scene was well done.
Everybody in the world is in that movie: Christopher Walken, Dennis Hopper, Brad Pitt, Gary Oldman, Samuel L. Jackson, Val Kilmer, Saul Rubinek, Bronson Pinchot, James Gandolfini, Tom Sizemore.
True Romance alone makes me forgive Bronson Pinchot for Perfect Strangers.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:30:32am |
re: #152 BongCrodny
Just to name a few. A cavalcade of stars, as it were. Much like another guilty pleasure of mine, "The Blues Brothers".
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SpaceJesus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:43:30am |
what are you guys getting me for my birthday
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:50:26am |
re: #154 SpaceJesus
A colonoscopy. Be grateful.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:51:06am |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:58:50am |
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SpaceJesus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 1:04:35am |
re: #156 Slumbering Behemoth
just because i was born to cleanse the earth of your sins doesn't mean i want you cleansing any of my insides
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Dec 24, 2010 1:09:15am |
re: #159 SpaceJesus
Baloney. And furthermore, you'll never get to the moon in that thing.
G'nite all.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 2:59:59am |
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:02:20am |
And this is none other than Brenda Lee:
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:04:54am |
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:07:25am |
re: #164 Obdicut
Has that late '60's psychedelic yet upscale California feel to it.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:10:30am |
re: #166 freetoken
Yeah, the brightness of the horns and simple piano-style playing are a nice contrast to the drum machine and weird voice. I like Blockhead a lot in general.
Here's another thing that keep getting in my head:
Though you may prefer the original version.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:10:50am |
Stevie Wonder, sounding a bit different:
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:11:23am |
re: #168 Obdicut
Yeah, the computerized drum machine was the death of pop music.
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freetoken Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:17:18am |
re: #168 Obdicut
Musically I prefer the original, though I like the effort at dancing in the second.
Funny thing about "urban" dancing, or "street jazz" as it is sometimes labeled in schools' dance programs - like all other dance forms that get into production on a large scale it becomes prettified - an application of classical aesthetics to the movements and shapes. Thus it leaves its urban origination and becomes another of the standard, staged, performance arts.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:18:27am |
re: #170 freetoken
Have I already shown you any of Yak Films stuff?
I've found a lot of people my age and above can't handle the camera tricks without getting distracted, while the younger generation isn't bothered at all.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 3:27:17am |
re: #171 freetoken
Heh. Jinx, with my next post. I think that's why I'm enjoying turf dancing so much right now-- it's still in its native habitat.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:10:20am |
re: #170 freetoken
Yeah, the computerized drum machine was the death of pop music.
I can't disagree with this more
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:15:52am |
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rwdflynavy Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:25:55am |
Good Morning Lizards!
He knows nothing and thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.
George Bernard Shaw
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:39:30am |
re: #178 rwdflynavy
Good Morning Lizards!
He knows nothing and thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a
politicalacting career.
George Bernard Shaw
Good Morning!
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Flounder Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:41:37am |
Good morning all. Yesterday I found an Anthrax CD while cleaning, already bored with that, put back in the B-52's. Radio sux today for some reason.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:07:31am |
re: #84 SanFranciscoZionist
Because Gandalf in the books slept with women every chance he got?
I don't recall those parts.
//
Because Gandalf really was queer.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:08:06am |
Gandalf and Dumbledore were lovers.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:08:49am |
I'm waiting for Zedushka to finish shacharit so we can head out for Toronto.
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steve_davis Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:15:53am |
re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I wonder if they freaked out about Elizabeth Taylor playing an Eygptian or John Wayne as a Mongol.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:16:24am |
re: #184 steve_davis
Or Dame Judith Anderson as a Native American.
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steve_davis Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:17:06am |
re: #184 steve_davis
crap. there was supposed to be a smart-assed comment attached to that, but apparently I accidentally messed up one of the HTML tags.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:29:46am |
Terminal at Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris evacuated because of heavy snow on the roof, state radio reports.
Yikes...
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McSpiff Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:32:51am |
re: #187 Varek Raith
Terminal at Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris evacuated because of heavy snow on the roof, state radio reports.
Yikes...
Sigh, silly French. Remove the snow, not the people!
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Flounder Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:35:54am |
I'm wrapping presents right now, I think I like it better than opening them. I'm currently enthralled because the paper I chose has the lines on the back, now I can get really anal retentive.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:37:00am |
re: #189 Shropshire_Slasher
I'm wrapping presents right now, I think I like it better than opening them. I'm currently enthralled because the paper I chose has the lines on the back, now I can get really anal retentive.
heheh.
I love wrapping paper that I can match up and get really really straight.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:37:24am |
re: #187 Varek Raith
Terminal at Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris evacuated because of heavy snow on the roof, state radio reports.
Yikes...
Crap. I'm flying away to %an undisclosed location in Western Europe% tomorrow so I hope I don't get caught up in this mess.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:38:47am |
I see there's been a BB meltdown.
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Flounder Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:40:27am |
re: #190 reine.de.tout
And don't forget to crease the corners!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:49:28am |
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:53:16am |
re: #192 Sergey Romanov
I see there's been a BB meltdown.
Yeah.
BB revealed private info on a user on another blog and was forced to resign.
He then went over the LGF stalker site to plot against Charles and LGF.
Strangest thing I've seen in some time on the web.
:/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:56:42am |
re: #194 reine.de.tout
Big time.
Where ya been?
Awfully busy before the vacation. Today's the last day. [AP voice:] Yeah, baby!
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:57:05am |
I also see Charles banned some Tor servers ;-)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 5:58:25am |
re: #195 Varek Raith
Yeah.
BB revealed private info on a user on another blog and was forced to resign.
He then went over the LGF stalker site to plot against Charles and LGF.
Strangest thing I've seen in some time on the web.
:/
Frankly, I always doubted LGF-BB thing would work out. Worldviews too different. Compare BB's flotilla stance with the near-consensus at LGF.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:05:06am |
re: #198 Sergey Romanov
Frankly, I always doubted LGF-BB thing would work out. Worldviews too different. Compare BB's flotilla stance with the near-consensus at LGF.
I don't think it was so much his worldview, but the tactics he used against those who disagreed with him.
But, I ain't no internet psychowhatsits.
;)
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:10:14am |
What. The. Fuck.
Officials: 45 people lynched in Haiti amid cholera fears
Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- At least 45 people, most of them voodoo priests, have been lynched in Haiti since the beginning of the cholera epidemic by angry mobs blaming them for the spread of the disease, officials said."People who practice voodoo have nothing to do with the cholera epidemic," said Max Beauvoir, the head of a voodoo organization in the Caribbean country.
Beauvoir said Thursday that he has appealed to authorities to help before the situation gets worse.
Some of the victims were killed with machetes, others were burned alive by mobs that added tires and gasoline to stoke the fires. The cholera outbreak started in October.
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:21:33am |
re: #200 Varek Raith
Utter collapse, as the globe stands by aghast. The whole island would be better of if brought to Dominican rule. IMHO.
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:23:22am |
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:24:51am |
re: #202 Rightwingconspirator
Ohhh boy did I screw up that post!
With the intended link, sorry!
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:25:19am |
re: #190 reine.de.tout
Hi
Did NOT mean to reference your post there, sorry!
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:25:53am |
re: #204 Rightwingconspirator
Hi
Did NOT mean to reference your post there, sorry!
:)
Got something against wrapping paper do we???
:P
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CommonCents Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:27:07am |
re: #203 Rightwingconspirator
I'd venture to guess that someone so unhappy in their own skin is already in hell.
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:28:00am |
re: #203 Rightwingconspirator
Ohhh boy did I screw up that post!
With the intended link, sorry!
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
For the love of...
Bigots piss me off.
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:28:34am |
*Note to self, coffee first then post.*
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CommonCents Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:29:03am |
Interesting "Enemy of the State" story about an airline pilot...
[Link: www.news10.net...]
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:30:23am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:31:29am |
re: #200 Varek Raith
What. The. Fuck.
Here's a companion article...
href="[Link: www.cnn.com...]>Police: 45 Zombies spotted in Haiti amid hangings
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:33:45am |
re: #211 reine.de.tout
*red face*
Merry Christmas to you!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:35:35am |
re: #213 Rightwingconspirator
*red face*
Merry Christmas to you!
heheh.
Same to you and DragonLady, and LWC, as well!
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:36:28am |
re: #209 Rightwingconspirator
*Note to firsr, post thenthen coffee.*
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:38:31am |
Looks like I'm going to have to go to France if I expect to experience anything looking like winter. We still have not had any measurable snow east of the continental divide.
Paris airport partly evacuated over snow fears
Paris (CNN) -- Part of the main Paris airport was evacuated Friday due to the accumulation of snow on the roof, French state radio reported.
Passengers were moved from Terminal 2E to other parts of Charles de Gaulle airport.
Part of the roof of that terminal collapsed in 2004, shortly after the state-of-the-art building was inaugurated. Four people were killed, media reports at the time said.
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:41:45am |
And a fine Christmas eve to all.
I better get to making that thermos of hot spiked eggnog for the office....
BBL
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 6:51:29am |
re: #217 Varek Raith
Failedy fail fail!
Did you work last night or tonight?
I had to work 8 hour overnights this wee, and then I have a 4 hour shift today, 11:45 to 3:45, peak traffic time.
And then, from what I'm hearing, Kroger slashes available hours right after the holidays to the point that the store manager has to ask people if they want to take less hours, and if he can't slot everyone into the hours that corporate give him, then he has to start laying off employees until he can fill the schedule with the hours he has.
I asked him, as a Christmas present to me, to put me on top of the layoff list. Hell, I've only taken unemployment twice in 58 years (side note, happy birthday to me)... and I'm ready to take some of that Obama stimulus.
This is my first foray into big retail, and I didn't realize how "mechanical" the whole process is. Evidently this is normal for the industry, from what I am learning. And I can see that Walmart doesn't have some sort of monopoly on how they run their business... it's par for the retail course.
I come from a corporate background, where it's not just "top down" management style, the employees actually have input to the day to day progress of tasks and projects.
Not in retail... it's still a "Me Scrooge" you "Bob Cratchit" corporate culture. Not complaining, just observing. Interesting.
Merry Christmas all.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:06:32am |
Funny how Putin and Medvedev play bad cop/good cop in their respective yearly interviews. Whereas Putin openly says that Khodorkovsky is a "proven thief" who should be in prison, Medeved says that he prohibited all officials to talk about the case so as not to influence it. Putin says that the opposition is led by the 90's revanchists who stole billions and want more. Whereas Medvedev thinks that the opposition does contain some talent as well as some future leaders, including future "presidents, premiers, deputies.".
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:23:14am |
re: #219 Walter L. Newton
Ok Varek Raith... don't talk to me :)
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:37:57am |
re: #219 Walter L. Newton
Did you work last night or tonight?
I had to work 8 hour overnights this wee, and then I have a 4 hour shift today, 11:45 to 3:45, peak traffic time.
And then, from what I'm hearing, Kroger slashes available hours right after the holidays to the point that the store manager has to ask people if they want to take less hours, and if he can't slot everyone into the hours that corporate give him, then he has to start laying off employees until he can fill the schedule with the hours he has.
I asked him, as a Christmas present to me, to put me on top of the layoff list. Hell, I've only taken unemployment twice in 58 years (side note, happy birthday to me)... and I'm ready to take some of that Obama stimulus.
This is my first foray into big retail, and I didn't realize how "mechanical" the whole process is. Evidently this is normal for the industry, from what I am learning. And I can see that Walmart doesn't have some sort of monopoly on how they run their business... it's par for the retail course.
I come from a corporate background, where it's not just "top down" management style, the employees actually have input to the day to day progress of tasks and projects.
Not in retail... it's still a "Me Scrooge" you "Bob Cratchit" corporate culture. Not complaining, just observing. Interesting.
Merry Christmas all.
I've had no work this week at all.
It's ridiculous.
Sigh...
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:41:01am |
re: #222 Varek Raith
I've had no work this week at all.
It's ridiculous.
Sigh...
Sorry... Merry Christmas anyway... get bloto or something...
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Varek Raith Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:43:11am |
re: #223 Walter L. Newton
Sorry... Merry Christmas anyway... get bloto or something...
I'll manage.
:)
When do you got to Antarctica Europe? I hear they evacuated parts of Charles de Gaulle Airport.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:45:45am |
re: #224 Varek Raith
I'll manage.
:)
When do you got toAntarcticaEurope? I hear they evacuated parts of Charles de Gaulle Airport.
Three weeks from today... Jan. 14th. 2011. I'm ready. This trip will probably mean more than the other times I've gone, since for this one I had to really work hard to save for. In the past, a trip to France was sort of an afterthought... "hey honey... you want to go to Europe next month..." and we'd be off... money wasn't an issue...
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:48:31am |
re: #224 Varek Raith
I'll manage.
:)
When do you got toAntarcticaEurope? I hear they evacuated parts of Charles de Gaulle Airport.
Ha... just caught the humor above... yes... Antarctica... I checked the 5 day forecast for Paris this morning, and their overnight temps will actually be colder on some nights than here at 8000 feet in the Rockies.
I saw a 16 degrees (f) for Paris tonight or tomorrow. That's a little bit chillier than they are use to, but not unheard of.
Denver has only had 14 white Christmas' in the last 100 years or so... according to the news this morning.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 7:56:33am |
As I have done in the past, I am going to take advantage of the trip to do a little "inspiration tourism" and investigate some places associated with Serge Gainsbourg...
[Link: www.google.com...]
And interesting French singer/songwriter/actor/womanizer who I had never heard of, but have become aquatinted with, through some internet information and a bio I picked up from Amazon.
He's on my "idea list" of possible material for a stage play. I haven't been moved to write anything new for about 3 years, and he's the first subject matter that has got me to thinking.
I've didn't realize that I am familiar with some of his songs, mainly through other artists who covered some of his material. It's his lifestyle that makes for interesting material.
We'll see... so far he's only a small spark of an idea... I still have to have that "ah ha" moment if I'm going to put "pen to paper" and develop a script.
Maybe I'll have that moment in Paris.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:01:07am |
Merry Christmas & happy holidays. Try not to trash the place before Sunday, hey?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:04:34am |
Police arrest three, still searching for stolen 300-year-old violin
Police said the violin, valued at $1.88 million, was stolen near a train station in central London earlier this month.
The owner, a 32-year-old musician who wishes to remain anonymous, noticed her black, rectangular violin case was taken and called police.
Along with the violin, the case contained a Peccatte bow, valued at $97,400, and another bow, made by the School of Bazin, valued at more than $7,800, police said.
"These items hold enormous sentimental and professional value for the victim, but although they are extremely valuable, it would be difficult to sell them on as they are so rare and distinctive that they will be easily recognized as stolen property," said Detective Inspector Andy Rose.
The kids probably didn't know what they had and sold it for a few hundred to a pawn shop who doesn't know eihter.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:08:35am |
Drudge has a Christmas color theme today. Mostly green but check out the sites on the blogroll he chose to highlight with red,,,,
Glenn Beck
Pat Buchanan
Alex Jones
Michelle Malkin
Andrew Sullivan
Ugh
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:13:52am |
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:14:26am |
A 55-year-old tradition continues this year as the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, launches its Santa Tracker at 2 a.m. EST on Christmas Eve, with help from Google Earth. NORAD tracks Old Saint Nick with four high-tech systems -- radar, satellites, Santa Cams and fighter jets -- not to mention the help of volunteers and donations to offset the costs.
Lots of important links for the Santa doubters.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:17:06am |
re: #233 researchok
Lots of important links for the Santa doubters.
I wonder how much taxpayers money is wasted on this holiday falderal?
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:18:22am |
re: #234 Walter L. Newton
I wonder how much taxpayers money is wasted on this holiday falderal?
Millions.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:19:02am |
re: #231 Killgore Trout
Drudge has a Christmas color theme today. Mostly green but check out the sites on the blogroll he chose to highlight with red,,,
Glenn Beck
Pat Buchanan
Alex Jones
Michelle Malkin
Andrew Sullivan
Ugh
They become red after you visit any of the links. Try it on a different link and then go back and you'll see that they'll show up as red after a click through.
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:19:30am |
re: #235 researchok
On the other hand, as far as wasting money goes, this isn't so egregious.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:20:04am |
re: #235 researchok
Millions.
I don't really care if taxpayers money is spent on this... I just love to find a way to use the word "falderal." It's one of those special words that has a wonderful sound and meter to it, but you don't get the contextual opportunity to use it very often.
It has a holiday sound to it... don't you think?
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Taqyia2Me Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:20:45am |
If I read an earlier post correctly, Happy Birthday Dear Walter, Happy Birthday To You!!
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:21:12am |
re: #238 Walter L. Newton
I don't really care if taxpayers money is spent on this... I just love to find a way to use the word "falderal." It's one of those special words that has a wonderful sound and meter to it, but you don't get the contextual opportunity to use it very often.
It has a holiday sound to it... don't you think?
Yup...Kind of like 'Little Lord Fauntleroy'.
You know they always dressed for dinner.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:21:14am |
re: #239 Taqyia2Me
If I read an earlier post correctly, Happy Birthday Dear Walter, Happy Birthday To You!!
Yes you did... I was pimping for birthday wishes... thanks.
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:21:59am |
re: #239 Taqyia2Me
If I read an earlier post correctly, Happy Birthday Dear Walter, Happy Birthday To You!!
WALTER!!!!!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! MANY, MANY MORE!!!
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:22:16am |
re: #240 researchok
Yup...Kind of like 'Little Lord Fauntleroy'.
You know they always dressed for dinner.
Or an interesting role-playing sex romp.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:22:27am |
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:22:41am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:22:42am |
re: #236 Gus 802
They become red after you visit any of the links. Try it on a different link and then go back and you'll see that they'll show up as red after a click through.
lol. I visit some shitty sites. I stink.
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researchok Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:23:34am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
lol. I visit some shitty sites. I stink.
But you'd be far less interesting if you didn't visit those sites.
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:26:03am |
re: #236 Gus 802
They become red after you visit any of the links. Try it on a different link and then go back and you'll see that they'll show up as red after a click through.
Christmas cookies?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:28:20am |
Christmas in Afghanistan
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:28:39am |
re: #241 Walter L. Newton
Yes you did... I was pimping for birthday wishes... thanks.
Happy Birthday Walter!
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Decatur Deb Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:28:48am |
re: #241 Walter L. Newton
Yes you did... I was pimping for birthday wishes... thanks.
Happy Birthday, Walter. I'll try to get you a newbie naif.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:30:44am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:34:05am |
Festive Mechanized Holiday Cat Accessories
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:35:00am |
This is odd. I'm looking through this link at TPM, Giuliani, Tom Ridge Go To Paris To Support Iranian Marxist Terrorist Group, and noticed this line:
Likewise, a resolution surfaced in the House this year to urge the administration to drop MEK from the terror list. It garnered 112 sponsors, including some Democrats, but died in the Foreign Affairs Committee.
Sure, it included "some Democrats" but they failed to mention that the sponsor was Congressman Bob Filner of California. They're mistakenly identify the 112 as "sponsors" when in fact they are "co-sponsors". Also from FP:
Members of Congress led by Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA) have introduced a resolution calling on the Secretary of State and the President to throw the support of the United States behind an exiled Iranian terrorist group seeking to overthrow the Iranian regime and install themselves in power. Calling the exiled organization "Iran's main opposition," Filner is urging the State Department to end the blacklisting of the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK) -- a group listed by the State Department as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO). The resolution currently has 83 cosponsors and is gaining significant ground.
According to that article the "Green Movement" rejects the inclusion of the MEK. The State Department is currently under court order to review the terrorist status of MEK which is noted in the TPM article:
Britain and the European Union have dropped terrorist designations for the group, and a U.S. federal court in July ordered Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to review the designation.
And from the linked Washington Post article:
The group's cause has also been taken up by a bipartisan group of lawmakers, including Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), the chairman of a terrorism panel of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. "I have difficulty understanding what has the MEK done, anything remotely, in recent times, that causes the MEK to be on that list," he said in June.
So as we can see the MEK has significant Democratic Party support. But I guess the whole point of the TPM article was to single out Republicans Rudy Giuliani and Tom Ridge.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:36:33am |
re: #246 Killgore Trout
lol. I visit some shitty sites. I stink.
Yeah. Soon after I read your post I noticed my "Christopher Hitchens" link was red.
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:38:56am |
re: #256 Gus 802
Yeah. Soon after I read your post I noticed my "Christopher Hitchens" link was red.
The only red ones in my list were Rush Limbaugh and Andrew Sullivan.
/??
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:41:57am |
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:44:01am |
Category=Weirdly Racist, absurd
Jimmy McMillan of "The Rent Is Too Damn High Party" fame is attempting to take his black-gloved act national.
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wrenchwench Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:45:33am |
re: #249 Killgore Trout
Christmas in Afghanistan
[Video]
I went to the website of the guys who made that. They have a nice slide show. Here's the star:
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:46:26am |
re: #252 Walter L. Newton
Happy Birthday Walter.
An interesting birthday for an interesting fellow.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:48:09am |
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:48:39am |
re: #257 wrenchwench
The only red ones in my list were Rush Limbaugh and Andrew Sullivan.
/??
That's an odd couple. ;)
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:49:29am |
re: #261 Rightwingconspirator
thank's.
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:51:33am |
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:53:56am |
re: #265 prairiefire
The kids, my hubby and myself say "Happy Birthday, Walter!!"
My girl's is tomorrow. My boy's is New Years Eve. I have the special talent of producing Holiday babies.
Wow... I didn't know that. Well, say happy birthday to both of them for me, and happy holidays to you and your hubby and all.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:54:28am |
re: #260 wrenchwench
I went to the website of the guys who made that. They have a nice slide show. Here's the star:
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 8:59:49am |
I share my birthday with Chester Burnett....
happy BD Walter
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:00:49am |
re: #265 prairiefire
The kids, my hubby and myself say "Happy Birthday, Walter!!"
My girl's is tomorrow. My boy's is New Years Eve. I have the special talent of producing Holiday babies.
that is quite remarkable
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prairiefire Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:01:08am |
re: #266 Walter L. Newton
We are hoping for occasional posts from Paris so we can follow your trip, perhaps?
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:02:43am |
re: #270 prairiefire
We are hoping for occasional posts from Paris so we can follow your trip, perhaps?
For sure... would be hard to stop me... we'll have a netbook (girlfriend has to have access to her work server, just in case she needs to put out a fire) and I'll have my Ipod Touch.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:05:44am |
Great picture of the Iceland volcano...
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:09:05am |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:09:31am |
Don't tell the wingnuts: Real GDP now at pre-recession levels
The Great Recession has now been completely overcome: The United States economy is today back to where it stood at its peak prior to the Great Recession of 2008-2009.
To be sure, you won’t see any press releases announcing this momentous occasion. That’s because the government doesn’t report the value of the gross domestic product (GDP) on a daily or even weekly basis. The GDP is instead reported quarterly, with a sizeable delay.
Still, according to Norman Fosback, editor of Fosback’s Fund Forecaster, who discussed the size of the GDP in the latest issue of his advisory service, we can extrapolate the government’s latest GDP numbers to estimate where we are today.
And, he said in an email earlier this week: “As of this moment, we are virtually right there: a 100% recovery” in real, or inflation-adjusted terms, of where the economy stood at its pre-recession peak. “And if not, then a couple or a few more weeks at most.”
You’d think that the complete recovery from the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression would be big news.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:11:36am |
EPA imposes cap and trade....not sure if this is a good thing, but I think not
[Link: www.google.com...]
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:15:14am |
re: #276 albusteve
EPA imposes cap and trade...not sure if this is a good thing, but I think not
[Link: www.google.com...]
It looks like they're ignoring cap and trade and placing direct limits on carbon emissions. No complaints from me. Cap and Trade was pretty questionable.
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:16:13am |
re: #275 Killgore Trout
While economists and politicians may want to celebrate this extremely welcome development, the real middle class/ small biz recovery is in unemployment returning to pre-recession levels. Only then do you have a recovery that includes mid and modest income earners. It's taking a lot of time, more than ever since the Carter days.
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:17:10am |
re: #276 albusteve
Now we'll see carbon scrubbers get developed and installed.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:17:48am |
re: #278 Rightwingconspirator
While economists and politicians may want to celebrate this extremely welcome development, the real middle class/ small biz recovery is in unemployment returning to pre-recession levels. Only then do you have a recovery that includes mid and modest income earners. It's taking a lot of time, more than ever since the Carter days.
Agreed. There are lots of hurdles left with the housing market, employment, etc but the fundamental basis for a complete recovery is in place. It'll take time but we're almost there.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:19:00am |
A new twist on honor killings.....
Police: Iraqi killed daughter for al-Qaida links
An Iraqi man told authorities he killed his 19-year-old daughter out of shame after he discovered al-Qaida had recruited her as a suicide bomber, a police spokesman said Friday.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:19:06am |
re: #280 Killgore Trout
Agreed. There are lots of hurdles left with the housing market, employment, etc but the fundamental basis for a complete recovery is in place. It'll take time but we're almost there.
I'll tell you when we are there... when I can return to working full time programming... like I did for 30 years.
Until then... bullshit.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:22:28am |
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:22:53am |
re: #281 Killgore Trout
I saw that but thought it too sad to post today. In any case it certainly reminds us not to let up on Al Qaeda. Ever.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:24:18am |
re: #284 Walter L. Newton
Thanks... (and I was just trying to get a bitch on :)
I know, I plan things accordingly. :)
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:33:53am |
Yes, and while the GDP has attained pre-recession levels we find The rich are much richer than you and me
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The gap between the rich and the middle class is larger than it has ever been due to the bursting of the housing bubble.
The richest 1% of U.S. households had a net worth 225 times greater than that of the average American household in 2009, according to analysis conducted by the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal think tank. That's up from the previous record of 190 times greater, which was set in 2004.
The widening gap came even as wealthy households' average net worth tumbled 27% -- to about $14 million -- between 2007 to 2009. That's the first time that they suffered a decline since the three-year period of 1992 to 1995.
Meanwhile, the average family's net worth plunged 41% -- to just $62,200 -- from 2007 to 2009, according to EPI's calculations.
"The typical person lost more because a bigger percentage of their wealth in 2007 had been the value of their home," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist with EPI...
So to repeat:
Meanwhile, the average family's net worth plunged 41% -- to just $62,200 -- from 2007 to 2009, according to EPI's calculations.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:34:35am |
$62,200? Damn, I only have 145 bucks.
Happy days are here again!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:34:54am |
Tennessee labels ALCU a terrorist organization....
ACLU bristles over terror list
State anti-terrorism officials listed the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee on an Internet map detailing "terrorism events and other suspicious activity" after the group warned schools to ensure holiday celebrations "are inclusive."
.....
Mike Browning, a spokesman for the Office of Homeland Security, said "certainly it was not our intent to post it [ACLU's letter to schools] as a terrorist incident. That was a mistake.""But," Browning said, "I don't believe that it's outrageous that we're basically taking information that was published in an open service media source and ... making sure it gets to the appropriate law enforcement."
The Fusion Center's Internet map is part of a national map maintained by globalincendentmap.com. Information is provided by agencies across the U.S. It includes various blinking icons. The map's label originally was titled Terrorism Events and Other Suspicious Activity.
Near Nashville, a blinking hexagon-shaped symbol with an exclamation point read "ACLU cautions TN schools about 'observing one religious holiday.'" The hexagon symbol, when clicked on, originally stated "suspicious activity." But it later was changed to say "general nonincident terrorism news" after inquiries by reporters.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:34:58am |
re: #287 Gus 802
This is not sustainable.
Redistribution of wealth is occurring. From the middle class, to the upper class.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:36:08am |
re: #290 Obdicut
This is not sustainable.
Redistribution of wealth is occurring. From the middle class, to the upper class.
Yeah. I guess we know who's reaping the rewards of this "growth". I'm still waiting.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:37:11am |
re: #290 Obdicut
This is not sustainable.
Redistribution of wealth is occurring. From the middle class, to the upper class.
Unfortunately, the time to deal with the problem has passed. With the GOP in control of the House the rich are only going to get richer. I'm not sure if anything can be done about that.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:38:48am |
re: #292 Killgore Trout
Unfortunately, the time to deal with the problem has passed. With the GOP in control of the House the rich are only going to get richer. I'm not sure if anything can be done about that.
Really... then how can you make the statement...
but the fundamental basis for a complete recovery is in place. It'll take time but we're almost there.
Either the rich are going to get richer, and the poor poorer, or we are "almost there" for a complete recovery.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:39:20am |
re: #292 Killgore Trout
I think our only hope is in the incompetence and incoherence of the GOP. They're playing off of populist rage, as well, and that sort of thing can quickly backfire on them. They may find their constituents howling at them to do something other than cutting taxes.
Hopefully.
And hopefully the Democrats don't spend all their energy grumbling about Obama's tax deal instead of looking at what they can do in the future.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:41:38am |
re: #293 Walter L. Newton
Really... then how can you make the statement...
Either the rich are going to get richer, and the poor poorer, or we are "almost there" for a complete recovery.
I was pointing out the economic fundamentals of the recovery are in place. The GDP is back where is was before the crash. That's very good news.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:48:17am |
re: #292 Killgore Trout
Unfortunately, the time to deal with the problem has passed. With the GOP in control of the House the rich are only going to get richer. I'm not sure if anything can be done about that.
How can congress effect the earnings of the "bottom" 2 percent? If they had allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire for the top 2 percent it wouldn't have resulted in higher earnings for the rest of America. Yes, the Republicans will make the top 2 percent a little wealthier with these tax cuts but the Democrats would have made the top 2 percent only slightly poorer.
The wealth imbalance is not a result of tax rates. It's the result of a systemic problem or a cultural dysfunction that weighs things in favor of the top 2 percent. This is where we find lawyers and medical specialists charging $450 per hour compared to factory workers making $18 per hour (if they're lucky). If you tax the guy making $450 an hour the government isn't going to give that money to the factory worker.
So no. I don't see this being changed much by either party. Nor do I want the government to be the central clearing house for "wealth distribution". The answer and the problem isn't the government, it's the people, it's our culture.
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:49:05am |
They say it's your birthday, Walter? Well, Happy Birthday to you!
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 9:49:31am |
re: #296 Gus 802
How can congress effect the earnings of the "bottom" 2 percent?
Strike that. Poor wording on my part.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:07:08am |
re: #195 Varek Raith
Yeah.
BB revealed private info on a user on another blog and was forced to resign.
He then went over the LGF stalker site to plot against Charles and LGF.
Strangest thing I've seen in some time on the web.
:/
Wait, he's over at the stalker site?
That's just plain weird.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:10:11am |
re: #121 SanFranciscoZionist
Jon Stewart has a very funny bit about how the Puritans came to America, not to escape religious persecution, but to show the English what REAL religious persecution looked like.
This post is now up on the Diary of Daedalus, demonstrating, well, something.
Guys, are we really giving you so little to work with these days?
:)
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:11:08am |
re: #298 Gus 802
Yeah well I liked it.
Sent it to another Lizard I regularly debate with, mostly in the analog world but here at LGF too.
I hope he chimes in...
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:12:25am |
I believe there are more dem millionaires than repub...useless factoid
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:13:19am |
re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist
This post is now up on the Diary of Daedalus, demonstrating, well, something.
Guys, are we really giving you so little to work with these days?
:)
They're weird.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:13:21am |
re: #300 SanFranciscoZionist
Wait, he's over at the stalker site?
That's just plain weird.
who is BB?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:13:26am |
re: #200 Varek Raith
What. The. Fuck.
The island was already dirt poor long before the quake. This just pushed an already desperate society right over the edge.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:14:04am |
re: #201 Rightwingconspirator
Utter collapse, as the globe stands by aghast. The whole island would be better of if brought to Dominican rule. IMHO.
Can the Dominicans govern it? Do they want to? Would it make anything better in Haiti?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:17:22am |
re: #259 Rightwingconspirator
Category=Weirdly Racist, absurd
Jimmy McMillan of "The Rent Is Too Damn High Party" fame is attempting to take his black-gloved act national.
I'm sure Obama is quaking in his boots.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:17:35am |
re: #302 Rightwingconspirator
Yeah well I liked it.
Sent it to another Lizard I regularly debate with, mostly in the analog world but here at LGF too.I hope he chimes in...
nice post and I agree with him entirely....the onus is on congress to pull us out of this mess, something people forget....BO and all his groovy posturing and gab has little to do with any of this stuff...from what I understand, he has spurned legislative process....PRESENT!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:18:49am |
re: #281 Killgore Trout
A new twist on honor killings...
Police: Iraqi killed daughter for al-Qaida links
Well, it's a better reason for shame than 'seen talking to a boy', but I see we have a ways to go here...
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:20:04am |
re: #290 Obdicut
This is not sustainable.
Redistribution of wealth is occurring. From the middle class, to the upper class.
Complaining about that sort of redistribution is all about class envy.
Worrying incessantly about imaginary redistribution of wealth to the poor, OTOH...
///
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:21:04am |
re: #303 albusteve
I believe there are more dem millionaires than repub...useless factoid
You could interpret that in so very many different ways...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:21:28am |
re: #296 Gus 802
How can congress effect the earnings of the "bottom" 2 percent? If they had allowed the Bush tax cuts to expire for the top 2 percent it wouldn't have resulted in higher earnings for the rest of America. Yes, the Republicans will make the top 2 percent a little wealthier with these tax cuts but the Democrats would have made the top 2 percent only slightly poorer.
The wealth imbalance is not a result of tax rates. It's the result of a systemic problem or a cultural dysfunction that weighs things in favor of the top 2 percent. This is where we find lawyers and medical specialists charging $450 per hour compared to factory workers making $18 per hour (if they're lucky). If you tax the guy making $450 an hour the government isn't going to give that money to the factory worker.
So no. I don't see this being changed much by either party. Nor do I want the government to be the central clearing house for "wealth distribution". The answer and the problem isn't the government, it's the people, it's our culture.
Then you can forget about major changes. I think that may be what ends up frustrating so much of Barack Obama's ambitions. Culture is a very stubborn opponent and can only be peacefully changed very slowly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:21:45am |
re: #304 Gus 802
They're weird.
And I don't have a garden (we're on the second floor), so they can't make fun of my kale.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:22:25am |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
And I don't have a garden (we're on the second floor), so they can't make fun of my kale.
I'm sure you read it but there's actually someone there going to bat for you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:23:01am |
re: #317 Gus 802
I'm sure you read it but there's actually someone there going to bat for you.
No, I didn't check the comments, just cruised by.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:23:56am |
re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist
This post is now up on the Diary of Daedalus, demonstrating, well, something.
Guys, are we really giving you so little to work with these days?
:)
They hate you, SFZ. With Ludwig benched, they've had to fixate on other people to get their hate fix. They're junkies, those guys.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:24:02am |
re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist
And I don't have a garden (we're on the second floor), so they can't make fun of my kale.
;)
I froze a bunch of that soup and I'm having it for lunch this week. As delicious as ever and it cost me nothing.
Free lunch!
/Socialism
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:26:47am |
re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I didn't check the comments, just cruised by.
Now I've read them.
Good God, I never used to post at Kos! Who are they talking about?
(Yes, this is a pretty petty point to focus on, given what-all else they have to say about me, but for goodness' sakes, they've mixed me up with at least three other lizards!)
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:28:17am |
re: #296 Gus 802
So no. I don't see this being changed much by either party. Nor do I want the government to be the central clearing house for "wealth distribution". The answer and the problem isn't the government, it's the people, it's our culture.
Amen, but how to go about changing it so that things aren't continually tilted in favor of those who already have it made? Social and economic mobility was a fundamental American value at one time. Now? I'm not so sure.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:29:00am |
Son of notorious insurgent leader is arrested
Although the article doesn't say who's holding him I assume he's not going to Club Gitmo for a nice waterboarding session followed by rice pilaf dinner. Pakistani's have him hooked up to a car battery in a dirty cell somewhere.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:29:04am |
re: #320 Killgore Trout
;)
I froze a bunch of that soup and I'm having it for lunch this week. As delicious as ever and it cost me nothing.
Free lunch!
/Socialism
Actually, groing your own food is "Real American Self-Reliance" at it's best. But too many wingnuts will not acknowledge thing unless the person in question meets with their approval politically.
(Those quotes are to denote that many wingnuts use that sort of phrase as a term covering more than they should. They're not scare quotes.)
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:29:16am |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
They hate you, SFZ. With Ludwig benched, they've had to fixate on other people to get their hate fix. They're junkies, those guys.
I've been away...what happened to Ludwig?
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:29:59am |
re: #323 Killgore Trout
Son of notorious insurgent leader is arrested
Although the article doesn't say who's holding him I assume he's not going to Club Gitmo for a nice waterboarding session followed by rice pilaf dinner. Pakistani's have him hooked up to a car battery in a dirty cell somewhere.
I'm sure somewhere, there's someone willing to pay for that sort of treatment.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:32:49am |
re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist
Now I've read them.
Good God, I never used to post at Kos! Who are they talking about?
(Yes, this is a pretty petty point to focus on, given what-all else they have to say about me, but for goodness' sakes, they've mixed me up with at least three other lizards!)
It's pure fixate-and-hate. Their attitude toward you can best be described as follows:
I HATE YOU, MOMMY, I HATE YOU! YOU WON'T LET ME ACT LIKE A MAD HELLION WITHOUT SAYING I'M BEING BAD!! PAY ATTENTION TO ME MOMMY!!! OW, MY BUTT, IT HURTS!!!11
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Killgore Trout Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:33:15am |
re: #326 PT Barnum
I'm sure somewhere, there's someone willing to pay for that sort of treatment.
There are a lot of high level insurgents out there wishing Gitmo was still accepting prisoners.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:35:39am |
re: #325 PT Barnum
I've been away...what happened to Ludwig?
He got into an argument with Iceweasel over some poorly chosen words of his. The argument ended with him being put in indefinite timeout (clicking one of his posts shows him in timeout, not blocked) after throwing a particularly nasty insult at Ice.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:36:46am |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
He got into an argument with Iceweasel over some poorly chosen words of his. The argument ended with him being put in indefinite timeout (clicking one of his posts shows him in timeout, not blocked) after throwing a particularly nasty insult at Ice.
I saw that. Horrible and I cannot imagine what got into him.
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Gus Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:37:00am |
re: #322 PT Barnum
Amen, but how to go about changing it so that things aren't continually tilted in favor of those who already have it made? Social and economic mobility was a fundamental American value at one time. Now? I'm not so sure.
I don't have an answer but I do think it would have to be almost a social movement ironically starting from the top. By social movement I don't mean socialism but akin to instilling a moral imperative for things like higher wages for the working/middle class. Then you have controlling the high cost of living, interest rates, rent, insurance, transportation, mortgages, etc. Other things like the loss of the manufacturing base in the USA.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:37:05am |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
He got into an argument with Iceweasel over some poorly chosen words of his. The argument ended with him being put in indefinite timeout (clicking one of his posts shows him in timeout, not blocked) after throwing a particularly nasty insult at Ice.
Oh. I was wondering what had gone down. That makes sense, given some stuff I saw starting to heat up.
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A Man for all Seasons Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:39:00am |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. I was wondering what had gone down. That makes sense, given some stuff I saw starting to heat up.
Somebody emailed the links..Good Grief!
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:39:06am |
Biden: Same Sex Marriage Is 'An Inevitability' (VIDEO)
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
I guess this is the radical left wing agenda they're so worried about. Not socialism.
Ha!
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Nervous Norvous Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:42:54am |
re: #331 Gus 802
I don't have an answer but I do think it would have to be almost a social movement ironically starting from the top. By social movement I don't mean socialism but akin to instilling a moral imperative for things like higher wages for the working/middle class. Then you have controlling the high cost of living, interest rates, rent, insurance, transportation, mortgages, etc. Other things like the loss of the manufacturing base in the USA.
I would like to suggest something that has worked for me any number of times dealing with some of the nutjob right wingers that I deal with.
Simply summon up as much moral indignation as you can muster and say "What the hell is wrong with you that you think that ...." and insert silly or paranoid position.
Since most of them can't defend their views beyond the level of a soundbite, it works wonders.
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Kronocide Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:43:28am |
re: #330 Stanley Sea
Horrible and I cannot imagine what got into him.
I totally can. I don't even need to know what was said, I can imagine just fine. Though highly intelligent and on the right side of his core issue he also had his flaws.
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Obdicut Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:44:09am |
Holy crap a news report on turf dancing that manages not to really get it totally wrong:
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What, me worry? Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:47:20am |
re: #336 BigPapa
I totally can. I don't even need to know what was said, I can imagine just fine. Though highly intelligent and on the right side of his core issue he also had his flaws.
I know it's way beside the point when blogging, but sometimes it's best to keep things in your head and not out your fingers. Especially among friends. I love Ludwig, but he was bound and determined to stick to his guns and I expected more from him.
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TedStriker Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:50:12am |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
It's also, in the sense that these people mean it, quite a modern concept.
OK, one of my favorite Norse stories, which has nothing to do with race:
Erik the Red led the first or second (can't recall) Norse attempt at colonizing Greenland. He was a pagan, his wife was a Christian. She wanted a chapel built on the farm so she could pray there and invite priests to say Mass. Erik, however, didn't think it was a hot priority, and put it off. Mrs. Erik then told him there would be no sex until she had her chapel.
It was built promptly. The ruins are still visible at the site.
Then, as now, it's all about the nookie ;-P
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:52:59am |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
He got into an argument with Iceweasel over some poorly chosen words of his. The argument ended with him being put in indefinite timeout (clicking one of his posts shows him in timeout, not blocked) after throwing a particularly nasty insult at Ice.
There is no "indefinite" timeout -- it's for 24 hours. He has not come back, which is a shame, but the bottom line is that if anyone else started flinging ugly words at women on LGF, they would have been banned.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:53:11am |
re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist
Geniuses, they're not.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 24, 2010 10:57:38am |
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TedStriker Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:01:59am |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
Tennessee labels ALCU a terrorist organization...
ACLU bristles over terror list
Never ascribe to malice what could explained by stupidity or incompetence, especially when you're talking about the government.
/Tennessean here
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:02:06am |
re: #340 Charles
There is no "indefinite" timeout -- it's for 24 hours. He has not come back, which is a shame, but the bottom line is that if anyone else started flinging ugly words at women on LGF, they would have been banned.
Sorry, Charles. When I clicked his nic on that thread a few days later, it had showed him in timeout. I misinterpreted that. Please excuse my error.
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:03:39am |
shit....Charles, please delete 346...unnecessary
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albusteve Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:05:51am |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:06:20am |
re: #344 talon_262
Never ascribe to malice what could explained by stupidity or incompetence, especially when you're talking about the government.
/Tennessean here
Well, when I was working at a charter high school, one of the kids called in the ACLU on us, and I'll tell ya, the staff reacted like they were a terrorist organization.
It was a pretty hilarious day.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:09:20am |
re: #345 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, Charles. When I clicked his nic on that thread a few days later, it had showed him in timeout. I misinterpreted that. Please excuse my error.
It will say 'timeout' until the person logs in again. But they're only prevented from logging in for 24 hours.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:10:16am |
re: #351 Charles
It will say 'timeout' until the person logs in again. But they're only prevented from logging in for 24 hours.
Thank you for explaining that. That clears things up for me.
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Stanghazi Fri, Dec 24, 2010 11:17:52am |
re: #349 albusteve
not for me...it's out of bounds
I guess I'm feeling rather blase today, unaffected by much.
Oh well!
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Political Atheist Fri, Dec 24, 2010 12:55:24pm |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
Oh darn. I like him, but NOT his temper.
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Peter Kaufman Fri, Dec 24, 2010 4:08:54pm |
“When you was slaves, you sang like birds”.
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