Quote of the Day: ‘Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of Feminism’

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When Julian Assange first got out of jail he was outraged that journalists asked him questions about the charges he is facing, and said he was a gentlemen who wouldn’t kiss and tell.

Well, those days are gone.

In the interview, Mr Assange said he regarded himself as a victim of Left-wing radicalism. “Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism,” he said. “I fell into a hornets’ nest of revolutionary feminism.”

Mr Assange claimed that one of the women who said she had been sexually assaulted by him took a “trophy photo” of him lying naked in her bed.

He said the woman, identified in court documents as Miss A, 31, had invited him to stay in her empty flat in August when he visited Stockholm to give a lecture. By his account, she returned home early and insisted he sleep in her bed. “We went to bed, and things went on from there.”

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115 comments
1 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:22:44pm

/What a goof it would be Rushdied him...

2 Obdicut  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:24:59pm

It does not matter at what point a person says no. It doesn't matter if they've invited you to stay in their flat, to sleep in their bed, or to put their penis inside you. The minute they say to stop, you stop. And if they say you have to wear a condom, then not wearing one is unconsensual.

The not-so-hilarious part is that Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries have a historically poor record on rape, with high rates of rape and low rates of prosecution, with quite low penalties for many sex crimes.

3 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:26:47pm

who was in my room last night

WHO THE HELL WAS IN MY BED

4 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:28:36pm

LOL! The Google ads, err, efficient?

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:35:25pm

re: #2 Obdicut

It does not matter at what point a person says no. It doesn't matter if they've invited you to stay in their flat, to sleep in their bed, or to put their penis inside you. The minute they say to stop, you stop. And if they say you have to wear a condom, then not wearing one is unconsensual.

The not-so-hilarious part is that Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries have a historically poor record on rape, with high rates of rape and low rates of prosecution, with quite low penalties for many sex crimes.

Shhh! Don't confuse the asshole with facts!

6 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:35:57pm

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas/Chanukah.
Re Assange: the best revenge will be for someone he knows to arrange for his upcoming book to be leaked... word for word... in advance of publication.
Do it!

7 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:36:48pm

I thought Saudi Arabia and feminism were mutually exclusive ...

8 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:37:44pm

re: #3 WindUpBird

[Video]who was in my room last night

WHO THE HELL WAS IN MY BED

Well, Assange is certainly a butthole.

9 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:38:01pm

re: #7 _RememberTonyC

I thought Saudi Arabia and feminism were mutually exclusive ...

yes, no longer!

10 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:38:05pm

what a great Zappa quote:

If you wind up with a boring, miserable life because you listened to your mom, your dad, your teacher, your priest or some guy on TV telling you how to do your shit, then YOU DESERVE IT. -- From the Real Frank Zappa book.
11 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:38:25pm

re: #7 _RememberTonyC
It's his weak metaphor for radical, but yeah... weak indeed.

12 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:39:08pm

re: #6 tradewind
Please excuse me but Hanukkah came early this year. I do appreciate the thought.

13 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:39:46pm

By the way, I just drove from NYC to Hartford through this monster blizzard ... Had to cut my family mini vacation to NYC short because of the weather ... Driving through this storm totally sucked, but I will give props to those on the road with me ... There was not a single accident in our direction.

14 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:39:49pm

Top twenty countries for women according to the Women’s Empowerment: Measuring the Global Gender Gap by the World Economic Forum.

Sweden
Norway
Iceland
Denmark
Finland
New Zealand
Canada
United Kingdom
Germany
Australia
Latvia
Lithuania
France
Netherlands
Estonia
Ireland
United States

One could read Assange's comment as a slap in the face for global feminists in consideration that Sweden is placed at the top. We now await for the condemnation of Assange's characterization of Sweden as "the Saudi Arabia pf Feminism" from his traditionally ideological supporters.

Is Julain Assange a male chauvinist pig?

15 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:39:51pm

re: #10 WindUpBird

what a great Zappa quote:

I updinged Bird...

be afraid, be very afraid...

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:40:43pm

re: #15 brookly red

I updinged Bird...

be afraid, be very afraid...

zappa knows of which he speaks, I wouldn't be where I am career and artwise if I listened to anyone except myself

17 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:40:51pm

re: #14 Gus 802
It sounds that way.

18 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:41:35pm

re: #16 WindUpBird

zappa knows of which he speaks, I wouldn't be where I am career and artwise if I listened to anyone except myself

thats 2...

19 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:42:02pm

do you think I'm sexy

20 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:42:12pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Top twenty countries for women according to the Women’s Empowerment: Measuring the Global Gender Gap by the World Economic Forum.

One could read Assange's comment as a slap in the face for global feminists in consideration that Sweden is placed at the top. We now await for the condemnation of Assange's characterization of Sweden as "the Saudi Arabia pf Feminism" from his traditionally ideological supporters.

Is Julain Assange a male chauvinist pig?

for once I shall quote Sarah Palin to say: You Betcha!

21 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:42:37pm

re: #12 PhillyPretzel
Thanks. The slash mark wasn't meant to indicate that they were the same day, I realize the 1st was a while ago.
I still hope everyone had a good one.

22 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:42:50pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon
It fits.

23 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:42:58pm

re: #19 WindUpBird

do you think I'm sexy


[Video]

shoulda quit while you were ahead :)

24 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:43:57pm

re: #21 tradewind
I did. It was nice and quiet.

25 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:44:43pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC
We had all the benefits and none of the headaches of a white Christmas... just big fat flakes all day long, ( and even today) but a warm enough temp to prevent it from actually accumulating. So pretty to watch, but no road hazards.

26 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:46:05pm

According to the National Organization for Women Sweden was also ranked as one of the best nations to be a mother (2003):

The best countries to be a mother are Sweden, Denmark and Norway while women and their children fare worst in such countries as Niger and Ethiopia, according to a new study released ahead of Mother's Day.

Any comment Mr. Assange?

27 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:46:59pm

re: #26 Gus 802

According to the National Organization for Women Sweden was also ranked as one of the best nations to be a mother (2003):

Any comment Mr. Assange?

/Saudi Arabia does not extradite?

28 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:47:32pm

re: #25 tradewind

We had all the benefits and none of the headaches of a white Christmas... just big fat flakes all day long, ( and even today) but a warm enough temp to prevent it from actually accumulating. So pretty to watch, but no road hazards.

Good to hear ... We were in NYC for Christmas and it is always my favorite time of the year to be in NY. The tree at Rockefeller Plaza was spectacular.

29 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:47:39pm

re: #26 Gus 802

women and their children fare worst in such countries as Niger and Ethiopia


No kidding. Not for nothing are those Save the Children ads shot there instead of Scandinavia.//

30 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:48:08pm

Assange is clearly an idiot savant. His intelligence is only limited to computer programming and hacking.

31 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:49:05pm

re: #30 Gus 802

Assange is clearly an idiot savant. His intelligence is only limited to computer programming and hacking.

pride cometh before the fall.

32 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:50:31pm

re: #10 WindUpBird
May have worked for Zappa, but there are actually a few of us whose Mom and Dads gave advice that's turned out to be quite valuable.

33 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:51:23pm

re: #30 Gus 802
You could have stopped at idiot, and been fine.
No savant needed.

34 Kronocide  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:52:49pm

I thought Sweden was the Colorado of Europe?

35 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:53:23pm

re: #32 tradewind

May have worked for Zappa, but there are actually a few of us whose Mom and Dads gave advice that's turned out to be quite valuable.

The childrearing approach that produces great artists and musicians might not work well for airline pilots and explosives disposal technicians.

36 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:55:35pm

re: #34 BigPapa
Boulder, to be more specific.//

37 jaunte  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:55:56pm
the Saudi Arabia of feminism


Assange arrested for torturing metaphor.

38 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:56:39pm

re: #37 jaunte
Yeah, that was wikilame.

39 tradewind  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 3:59:08pm

Happy New Year, everyone.
' twenty-eleven' or ' two thousand eleven '?
Both sound weird still.

40 webevintage  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:00:27pm

Why do I have a feeling that Julian might be a guy who this PSA from Funny or Die was made for:

41 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:01:16pm

re: #39 tradewind

Happy New Year, everyone.
' twenty-eleven' or ' two thousand eleven '?
Both sound weird still.

Twenty-elenenty and/or two thousand eleventy.

42 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:01:49pm

One of my favorite movies is on TV. And of course it has been edited for TV. The Sound of Music.

43 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:01:51pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

Twenty-eleventy and/or two thousand eleventy.

44 Ojoe  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:05:48pm

"I fell into a hornets’ nest of revolutionary feminism.”

ROFLMAO

He doesn't look like the kind of guy who could handle that at all.

And here is a fine wintry Towercam view of the San Gabriel Mountains of California.


Happy Saint Stephen's Day.

45 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:06:36pm

re: #32 tradewind

May have worked for Zappa, but there are actually a few of us whose Mom and Dads gave advice that's turned out to be quite valuable.

my folks told me not to talk to strangers... of course we didn't have interwebs then.

Fuck we barley had telephones then...

46 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:09:36pm

The Giants are the suxxorz.

47 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:10:15pm

re: #45 brookly red

my folks told me not to talk to strangers... of course we didn't have interwebs then.

Fuck we barley had telephones then...

Did the wheat have any phones?

///

48 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:11:17pm

re: #47 Gus 802

Did the wheat have any phones?

///

no, we where children of the corn...

49 Ojoe  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:13:02pm

"I fell into a hornet's nest of revolutionary feminism."

Rotating Title nomination !

50 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:13:07pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

The Giants are the suxxorz.

With 5 turnovers, I should say so. EPIC FAIL

51 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:13:38pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

With 5 turnovers, I should say so. EPIC FAIL

yup...

52 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:20:56pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

With 5 6 turnovers, I should say so. EPIC FAIL


:P

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:22:44pm

re: #32 tradewind

May have worked for Zappa, but there are actually a few of us whose Mom and Dads gave advice that's turned out to be quite valuable.

not career advice for me. Advice on life, sure. But my parents have yet to really understand my work and what I do, and moving away from them gave me the space to make it happen. It was a different time for them, there was no internet, there was no connectivity on this level. I was building my own BBSes on my computer before they knew how to turn a computer on. They're awesome people, I love them dearly. But I had to figure this stuff out on my own.

54 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:24:24pm

I wonder what the spin will be on this.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:25:11pm

Baking* done, and it doesn't look like I missed that much exciting football action (beyond an Eli Manning interception fest.) And the evening game has
been called because of snow. Guess I chat, or read...

In any case I'm prepped for work goodies this week going into the New Year and the project go-live date.

*- And non-baking since one of the pies was the "Kick-ass Key Lime Pie" recipe from the LGF cookbook II and it's a no-bake pie.

56 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:25:26pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

The childrearing approach that produces great artists and musicians might not work well for airline pilots and explosives disposal technicians.

I agree! My parents turned out two artists. So for whatever reason, it happened. Many of my family members were in the military, but we certainly did not have any sort of military culture growing up. We had a culture of reading the encyclopedia for fun and history lessons at the dinner table.

57 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:26:16pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

I agree! My parents turned out two artists. So for whatever reason, it happened. Many of my family members were in the military, but we certainly did not have any sort of military culture growing up. We had a culture of reading the encyclopedia for fun and history lessons at the dinner table.

were in the military meaning they were vietnam and korea veterans, not career

58 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:31:47pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

:P

if you have 6 turnovers you should be a bakery...

59 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:32:51pm

re: #57 WindUpBird

were in the military meaning they were vietnam and korea veterans, not career

drafted?

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:44:10pm

re: #59 brookly red

drafted?

Actually no, my father was a lawyer and elected to enlist rather than be drafted, he wound up an officer doing gofer tasks for other officers.

61 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:45:30pm

re: #60 WindUpBird

Actually no, my father was a lawyer and elected to enlist rather than be drafted, he wound up an officer doing gofer tasks for other officers.

Hmmm, so was mine... scary huh?

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:46:08pm

re: #61 brookly red

Hmmm, so was mine... scary huh?

good times, he had some great and bizarre stories and a whole bunch of furniture he brought back that he still owns

63 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:47:28pm

re: #58 brookly red

if you have 6 turnovers you should be a bakery...

Well, The Packers roasted the Giants, and the Bears baked the Jets. Bad day for NY.

64 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:47:30pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

good times, he had some great and bizarre stories and a whole bunch of furniture he brought back that he still owns

Mine was older than yours... (pre Korea) he ended up in the State Dept.

65 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:48:26pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Well, The Packers roasted the Giants, and the Bears baked the Jets. Bad day for NY.

shit happens...

66 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:49:41pm

re: #64 brookly red

Mine was older than yours... (pre Korea) he ended up in the State Dept.

my father would not do well in government, (and to hear him tell his stories of Vietnam, they sounded almost Terry Gilliam's Brazil-esque) he's exactly like me in that he's got an entrepreneur loner spirit, he wants as much control over his profession as he can possibly have

67 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:50:47pm

re: #66 WindUpBird

my father would not do well in government, (and to hear him tell his stories of Vietnam, they sounded almost Terry Gilliam's Brazil-esque) he's exactly like me in that he's got an entrepreneur loner spirit, he wants as much control over his profession as he can possibly have

he's a republican?

68 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #67 brookly red

he's a republican?

Or a union member.
:P

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:53:03pm

re: #67 brookly red

he's a republican?

Nope! Been voting democrat for about 40 years, he was a republican in college, after vietnam he became a democrat. he's to the right of me on some stuff (school vouchers comes to mind) but we pretty much have 90% of the same political views

he's a workman's comp lawyer, his job consists of battling big companies on behalf of his injured clients. Pretty dem ;-)

70 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:54:03pm

re: #68 Varek Raith

Or a union member.
:P

Bar Association? Same thing.

71 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:54:28pm

re: #69 WindUpBird

Nope! Been voting democrat for about 40 years, he was a republican in college, after vietnam he became a democrat. he's to the right of me on some stuff (school vouchers comes to mind) but we pretty much have 90% of the same political views

he's a workman's comp lawyer, his job consists of battling big companies on behalf of his injured clients. Pretty dem ;-)

Here's to your Pops!

72 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:55:27pm

re: #69 WindUpBird

Nope! Been voting democrat for about 40 years, he was a republican in college, after vietnam he became a democrat. he's to the right of me on some stuff (school vouchers comes to mind) but we pretty much have 90% of the same political views

he's a workman's comp lawyer, his job consists of battling big companies on behalf of his injured clients. Pretty dem ;-)

So what does he do if he finds out a client is faking? Because I hear that sometimes happens.

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:56:00pm

re: #71 brookly red

Here's to your Pops!

he's a pretty cool dude, my sense of humor is a mix of him and the weird radio I listen to

I'll be up there for new years, we'll be drinking bottles of cheap merlot and talking politics and cars

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 4:58:42pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

So what does he do if he finds out a client is faking? Because I hear that sometimes happens.

I don't think he's ever had a client fake anything outright, at least not that he's ever told me, he's definitely had clients who didn't deserve as much as they got, but he's also had deserving clients who've been completely fucked. That's the system! He has to hire nurses and specialists and such as expert witnesses, so I imagine it's going to be difficult for a nurse whose career is on the line for their expert testimony to lie on the stand. ;-)

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:01:22pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

So what does he do if he finds out a client is faking? Because I hear that sometimes happens.

also, if a client is faking, they're essentially faking themselves out of their income, since the whole point is they can't work. It's a big risk for a payday, and my father works on contingency. He only gets paid if he wins, and he gets a percentage. If he's sure he'll lose, he's of course not going to take the case. if the case is weak, he won't take it.

76 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:01:50pm

re: #74 WindUpBird

I don't think he's ever had a client fake anything outright, at least not that he's ever told me, he's definitely had clients who didn't deserve as much as they got, but he's also had deserving clients who've been completely fucked. That's the system! He has to hire nurses and specialists and such as expert witnesses, so I imagine it's going to be difficult for a nurse whose career is on the line for their expert testimony to lie on the stand. ;-)

You'd be surprised. Has he ever had nurses who fell apart on the stand and suffered professionally for it?

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:03:08pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

You'd be surprised. Has he ever had nurses who fell apart on the stand and suffered professionally for it?

nope :) The woman he relies on the most is mega-competent, I believe she was a charge-nurse at a hospital, made six figures, was a veteran of the hospital system.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:04:47pm

re: #77 WindUpBird

nope :) The woman he relies on the most is mega-competent, I believe she was a charge-nurse at a hospital, made six figures, was a veteran of the hospital system.

Cool. I was just curious.

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:06:36pm

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO IMPORT MAIL INTO THUNDERBIRD

FUCK

80 jaunte  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:07:56pm

re: #79 WindUpBird

I have no answer for that, so here's a guy in a fly costume:
[Link: s3.amazonaws.com...]

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:11:43pm

re: #80 jaunte

Think I got it, christ finally

82 CuriousLurker  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:18:17pm

re: #79 WindUpBird

Don't feel too bad—my boss got me a MacBook Pro for Xmas (eeek!) and the native Mail app drove me nuts. I ended up switching to Thunderbird, but it drove me a little nuts for a while too as I haven't used it in a while.

Luckily, I didn't need to import anything, but I feel like a foreigner in a strange land on the Mac. Totally different world, one my iPad only partially prepared me for.

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:19:57pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Don't feel too bad—my boss got me a MacBook Pro for Xmas (eeek!) and the native Mail app drove me nuts. I ended up switching to Thunderbird, but it drove me a little nuts for a while too as I haven't used it in a while.

Luckily, I didn't need to import anything, but I feel like a foreigner in a strange land on the Mac. Totally different world, one my iPad only partially prepared me for.

no wonder people are abandoning email, this is voodoo o_o

84 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 5:30:45pm

no game....very upsetting to my karma, hope I survive such a sudden withdrawal

85 Querent  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:05:20pm

re: #56 WindUpBird

here's to reading the encyclopedia for fun!

86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:06:39pm

re: #84 albusteve

no game...very upsetting to my karma, hope I survive such a sudden withdrawal

No damage to your karma, I just updinged you.

87 TedStriker  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:38:30pm

re: #14 Gus 802

Top twenty countries for women according to the Women’s Empowerment: Measuring the Global Gender Gap by the World Economic Forum.

One could read Assange's comment as a slap in the face for global feminists in consideration that Sweden is placed at the top. We now await for the condemnation of Assange's characterization of Sweden as "the Saudi Arabia pf Feminism" from his traditionally ideological supporters.

Is Julain Assange a male chauvinist pig?

Judging by Assange's words and deeds. I'd say he's a flaming male chauvinist pig...

88 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:43:55pm
89 milty  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:51:44am

re: #2 Obdicut

That is BS. You told a guy "to put his penis inside you," you can't charge him with rape. Tough on you. Women need to start taking responsibility for their sexual behavior too. Unless you are all dingbats, in which case you should be treated as such.

90 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 1:24:25am

re: #89 milty

Go crawl back under the rock you slithered out from.

91 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 1:53:36am

re: #89 milty

That is BS. You told a guy "to put his penis inside you," you can't charge him with rape. Tough on you. Women need to start taking responsibility for their sexual behavior too. Unless you are all dingbats, in which case you should be treated as such.

Excuse me, Sir. Would you be so kind as to inform me about the whereabouts of your cave?

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 1:58:48am

From milty's link:

[Link: familism.org...]

The Familists are an Israeli lobby group dedicated to saving and rejuvenating the Israeli family unit. The normal nuclear family unit is under threat in Israel, just as it is throughout the western world. A bellicose social movement spewing promises of equality, freedom, peace and justice has rent society apart, pitting millions of women against millions of men, promoting all possible alternatives to the nuclear family as 'advanced' and 'enlightened' while presenting the normal, traditional family as a bastion of patriarchal abuse, a "comfortable concentration camp" in the infamous words of gender feminist high priestess Betty Friedan.

The "'Family' in the name" warning sign is truly international.

93 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:04:58am

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

From milty's link:

[Link: familism.org...]

The "'Family' in the name" warning sign is truly international.

Perhaps milty would be happier living in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:12:41am

re: #93 CuriousLurker

Perhaps milty would be happier living in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Oh, if only. This may be the kind of fundamentalism that would want to turn the generally socially progressive Israel into a Halakhic state.

95 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:19:44am

re: #94 Sergey Romanov

Oh, if only. This may be the kind of fundamentalism that would want to turn the generally socially progressive Israel into a Halakhic state.

Exactly. Because the one thing the Middle East REALLY needs is another raging fundamentalist theocracy.

//As if the sarc tags are even necessary...

96 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:29:01am

re: #94 Sergey Romanov

Oh, look—milty has a little friend named CaptainMongles. milty's from the class of '04, but CM is a recent registrant. Must be a sock.

97 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:29:30am

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Exactly. Because the one thing the Middle East REALLY needs is another raging fundamentalist theocracy.

//As if the sarc tags are even necessary...

This posting by Charles illustrates out the point that a left-winger does not equal a liberal, despite the US near-synonymization of the terms. This is illustrated even better by Shamir, who is often characterized as a "radical left-winger". In some sense (or, rather, on some issues) he is. But he takes the same approach to feminism:

Ardin is apparently involved with a “Christian” Social-Democrat group. This is probably the most insolent detail of her work history. For a true Christian (or a Jew or a Muslim), the use of a condom is prevention of new life - a form of murder, yet one of Ardin’s main complaints against Assange is that his condom was not in place. For feminists of her kind, a man is nothing more than a sex toy; for her, sex has no connection to procreation, let alone to sacred union.

[...]

As for Julian Assange, we need him. We need our captain Neo, whether chaste or womanizer, in order to uncover the secret doings of our governments behind the Matrix. For our own sakes, we must all do our part to protect him from castrating feminists and secret services alike.

And his diatribe against gay parades in Russia (and against gays in general, in support of "traditionalism") needs to be quoted in full to be appreciated.

98 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:32:20am

MONGLES ONLY SOCK... IN GAME OF LIFE.

99 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:42:13am

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

This posting by Charles illustrates out the point that a left-winger does not equal a liberal, despite the US near-synonymization of the terms. This is illustrated even better by Shamir, who is often characterized as a "radical left-winger". In some sense (or, rather, on some issues) he is. But he takes the same approach to feminism:

And his diatribe against gay parades in Russia (and against gays in general, in support of "traditionalism") needs to be quoted in full to be appreciated.

Very interesting, and very true—thanks for pointing that out. I guess this is another example of that bizarre place where far-left and far-right converge. Ugh.

100 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:50:41am

What happened, CaptainMongles? Aren't you you going to down-ding the rest of my & Sergey's posts?

101 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:54:31am

re: #99 CuriousLurker

Very interesting, and very true—thanks for pointing that out. I guess this is another example of that bizarre place where far-left and far-right converge. Ugh.

I'd say that the convergence is really an artifact of the 1D presentation. If it is at least 2D (like in Political Compass) the extremes are neatly sorted out in different corners. I wonder if there are any working 3D models.

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:56:14am

re: #100 CuriousLurker

MONGLES TIRED. MONGLES' HEAD HURTS.

103 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:00:21am

re: #101 Sergey Romanov

I'd say that the convergence is really an artifact of the 1D presentation. If it is at least 2D (like in Political Compass) the extremes are neatly sorted out in different corners. I wonder if there are any working 3D models.

Hmm, interesting. I'd never thought about it like that. I don't recall ever having seen a 3D model. That would be a great project for someone with the necessary skills.

104 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:01:36am

re: #103 CuriousLurker

[Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]

I guess I'll retake it now to see if I've shifted somewhat.

105 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:10:59am

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

MONGLES TIRED. MONGLES' HEAD HURTS.

Heh, I was wondering if he's milty's sock, or a friend of milty's from the old days who's here as a sock, or just a garden variety fanboy of Neanderthal thought. Then I decided there are better things to think about.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:12:31am

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

-5.25/-6.67

I think I've gained somewhat on the second parameter, it was in the 5s last time I took it.

107 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:13:08am

re: #104 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]

I guess I'll retake it now to see if I've shifted somewhat.

I think I'll go try it too...

108 ErikJ76  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:42:37am

re: #2 Obdicut

It does not matter at what point a person says no. It doesn't matter if they've invited you to stay in their flat, to sleep in their bed, or to put their penis inside you. The minute they say to stop, you stop. And if they say you have to wear a condom, then not wearing one is unconsensual.

The not-so-hilarious part is that Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries have a historically poor record on rape, with high rates of rape and low rates of prosecution, with quite low penalties for many sex crimes.

As a Swede, let me just point out some things.

1. Scandinavian countries and high rates of rape. In 2009 Denmark had 7.3 cases per 100,000 and Norway 19.8. The United States had 28.6 cases per 100,000. So that's not really true. (The other two Nordic countries, Finland and Iceland, have rates of 17.2 and 21.6.).

2. Sweden. We had 53.2 reported cases per 100,000. Now, Sweden got, compared to other countries, a really low bar for what's considered rape, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but since there needs to be evidence to prosecute, this also leads to a very low rate of prosecution. I believe in being innocent until proven guilty, and convicting people based on only what people say, would be a major problem.

3. Without a full knowledge about penalties around the world, Sweden generally have lower penalties than the US. There are obviously different views about which approach is the best. (We just marked the 100 year anniversary of the last execution, and despite not having done that, our murder rate is one fourth of the one in the US.)

And rather importantly:
Currently, the FBI's definition of rape is "the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will.".
So the 28.6 cases per 100,000 that's just the forcible rapes.
I do wonder what the statics for rape in the US would be if the FBI actually would define having sex with a sleeping woman as rape or rapes where there was no violence. Or for that matter, when men get raped.
And what would the conviction rate would be?

109 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:47:28am

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Sheesh. Apparently, I'm more liberal than I thought—somewhere between Gandhi & Mandela. Well, at least I'm in good company, huh? ;o)

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

110 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 4:36:20am

re: #89 milty

So even if a girl starts crying and begging you to stop while you're having sex with her, you can go right ahead and it's not rape, because, after all, she started it?

What an asshole.

111 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 4:40:51am

re: #110 Obdicut

So even if a girl starts crying and begging you to stop while you're having sex with her, you can go right ahead and it's not rape, because, after all, she started it?

What an asshole.

Begging and crying? After he spiked her drinks? Never happened to him!
/

112 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:01:57am

US slams Russia for Khodorkovsky verdict

[Link: www.google.com...]

WASHINGTON — The guilty verdict brought against Russian tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky will have a "negative impact on Russia's reputation," US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday.

The chief US diplomat said in a statement that Khodorkovsky's conviction in his second fraud trial "raises serious questions about selective prosecution -- and about the rule of law being overshadowed by political considerations."

Good, but ultimately impotent after the US selective prosecution and rule of law overshadowed by political considerations. Which is one of the main reasons I spit on Bush's merry gang and frown on Obama's "let's forget all this" stance. Wait for the Russian MID's angry tu quoque response.

113 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:02:24am

Wrong thread.

114 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:05:42am

Hey all! Hope your Christmas/Saturday was a great day!

I still stuck at "took a trophy photo" of Ass--Assange.

115 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:10:40am

re: #87 talon_262

Judging by Assange's words and deeds. I'd say he's a flaming male chauvinist pig...

He is a Julian Assange Chauvinist Pig. It's all about him, don't you know?


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