The Stewart-Murrow Convergence?

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I don’t know if Jon Stewart is the new Edward R. Murrow (or if anyone ever will be) but he certainly deserves a vote of thanks for his role in the 9/11 bill passage.

Did the bill pledging federal funds for the health care of 9/11 responders become law in the waning hours of the 111th Congress only because a comedian took it up as a personal cause?

And does that make that comedian, Jon Stewart — despite all his protestations that what he does has nothing to do with journalism — the modern-day equivalent of Edward R. Murrow?

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458 comments
1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:42:53pm

jon Stuart does some good things, but he's a comedian, not a serious reporter like Murrow was.

2 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:47:25pm

He may be a comedian, but he's also a person who actually cares and isn't shy about letting that be known. For that I'm extremely grateful.

3 TedStriker  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:49:54pm

I don't particularly care whether Stewart is the new Murrow or not, but it's a damn shame that a entertainer (even one as good as Stewart) had to help shame Congress (and the GOP, in particular) into acting on this...it should have been a non-partisan no-brainer, but leave it to the TPer-courting GOP to play obstructionists.

4 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:54:45pm

Oh, and Charles, thanks so much for the hat tip on the Hawaii birther story. Life has been crazy for me so I'm not around as much. In fact right now my house feels like it's about to be blown over in this blizzard.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:54:53pm

The GOP's obstructionism on this issue was absolutely despicable, and that's what Jon Stewart recognized. Good for him for refusing to play politics as usual, and calling out the assholes for what they were.

6 Jaerik  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 6:57:35pm

Stewart himself said it best: it's not that his show is converging towards politics, it's that politics is converging towards comedy.

7 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:01:17pm

re: #6 Jaerik

Stewart himself said it best: it's not that his show is converging towards politics, it's that politics is converging towards comedy.

very astute observation...AmIdol politics is rearing it's ugly head

8 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:04:19pm

listening to these guys wrenches my heart....how could so many politicians fallen so low?...power trumps right or wrong...the legislation passed but what about the next time?

9 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:05:56pm

re: #6 Jaerik

Stewart himself said it best: it's not that his show is converging towards politics, it's that politics is converging towards comedy.

He's partially correct but the real problem the that the audience/voters need to be "informed" with jokes, music, skits and flashy zinger graphics in segments no longer than a few minutes.
Serious news doesn't exist because there isn't a serious audience.

10 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:08:31pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

He's partially correct but the real problem the that the audience/voters need to be "informed" with jokes, music, skits and flashy zinger graphics in segments no longer than a few minutes.
Serious news doesn't exist because there isn't a serious audience.

yup...well said...you have to wonder if this paradigm is in it's infancy or the end result...or just how far can it go like this

11 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:15:16pm

re: #10 albusteve

yup...well said...you have to wonder if this paradigm is in it's infancy or the end result...or just how far can it go like this

It's a cultural problem and I suppose it's relatively new that we no longer celebrate intellect. Pop culture has always been kinda dopey but it also has always existed alongside a more serious "adult" intellectual culture that valued art, poetry, philosophy, reading education, etc.
I suppose it started with the youth culture of the 50's. Today even most adults think and behave like children.
It might change but if it doesn't some other country will step up and take our place as a superpower.

12 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:18:33pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

It's all "entertainment" now. News, weather, politics.

13 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:20:47pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

It's a cultural problem and I suppose it's relatively new that we no longer celebrate intellect. Pop culture has always been kinda dopey but it also has always existed alongside a more serious "adult" intellectual culture that valued art, poetry, philosophy, reading education, etc.
I suppose it started with the youth culture of the 50's. Today even most adults think and behave like children.
It might change but if it doesn't some other country will step up and take our place as a superpower.

TV, the rise of Hollywood and it's juvenile market, instant gratification etc...maybe it's not cool to be hip anymore if so much mental energy is spent on entertainment and hedonism

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:20:50pm

re: #12 Floral Giraffe

It's all "entertainment" now. News, weather, politics.

Floral, you need to know that the Stalkers fixated on you today. and it was of course ugly.

15 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:21:20pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

It might change but if it doesn't some other country China will step up and take our place as a superpower.

They're already well on their way, with grade-school children who are better educated than many American adults.

16 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:21:22pm

re: #12 Floral Giraffe

It's all "entertainment" now. News, weather, politics.

Dancing With the Pols!

17 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:22:43pm

re: #16 albusteve

Dancing With the Pols!

Stripper weather girls?!
SURE!
/So going to hell.

18 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:23:11pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Waves her fabulous over 50 booty at the stalkerz.
Victoria's Secrets got nothing on me!
You get their catalog.
Heh!

19 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:24:02pm

re: #15 publicityStunted

They're already well on their way, with grade-school children who are better educated than many American adults.

and an added social benefit from their rising middle class is to try and keep those well educated there in China, in spite of it's coarseness and lack of liberty

20 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:24:19pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

Stripper weather girls?!
SURE!

Is this close enough? ;)

21 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:25:35pm

re: #17 Varek Raith

Seriously, that is the direction of the MSM.
Anything to get the attention of the viewers.
The old "Kill your TV" bumper sticker, isn't all that bad of an idea.
What ever happened to read, and think?

22 freetoken  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:25:38pm

I see we still have birthers going at it downstairs. Oh well, they'll never get anywhere but they don't care.

As for Mr. Stewart - I doubt the role of Murrow can be recreated in another time, but certainly Stewart has made a (good) name for himself.

Digressing: I lament often the state of the "documentary" on American television - most are aimed at, it would appear, a very young audience given the very short segments per camera shot/story-line, probably to go with the very short attention spans of the viewers. Then, the narrator/story will repeat itself over and over. Many of the (non-British, non-German made) Discovery channel and even NatGeo stuff is like that.

Americans have decided they don't want information, they want entertainment.

Which gets me back to Stewart; he has discovered what it takes in this day to discuss serious issues - wrap them in humor.

He probably deserves an award (or two) for this.

23 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:29:35pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Floral, you need to know that the Stalkers fixated on you today. and it was of course ugly.

Well, they're staring at a computer screen, instead of having real world relationships. Sad for the trolls. Reading their Victoria's Secrets catalogs, in the basement.

24 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:29:43pm

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Waves her fabulous over 50 booty at the stalkerz.
Victoria's Secrets got nothing on me!
You get their catalog.
Heh!

Nice. They wish they could meet woman as classy as you.

[waves at the Stalkers]

25 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:30:24pm

re: #22 freetoken

I haven't been around much lately, and didn't look at the thread below. We still have birthers hanging out here? Ugh. Concerning the state of our intellectual life here in the US, I read a piece in the NYT's the other day about the effect of the internet and especially social media on the attention span of students, and boy was it depressing. I jokingly (not really) said we (I) should seriously consider an e-tox or an e-hab just to get our brains cells to work again. We are so doomed.

26 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:32:26pm

I would venture to guess that 50 percent of the people that refer to Edward R. Murrow never heard one broadcast of his.

In other news. If Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism does that mean he will be stoned to death if found guilty? /

27 Charles Johnson  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:32:43pm

re: #25 Irenicum

I haven't been around much lately, and didn't look at the thread below. We still have birthers hanging out here?

Not any more.

28 Alexzander  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:34:10pm

I've got to be honest; I'm too young to know who Edward R. Murrow is.. I guess it also shows my age that the I only way I know to remedy this situation is to go check out wikipedia?

29 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:34:22pm

re: #27 Charles

Hehe.

30 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:34:34pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

Well, they're staring at a computer screen, instead of having real world relationships. Sad for the trolls. Reading their Victoria's Secrets catalogs, in the basement.

barbarians...I read mine in the family room

31 freetoken  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:35:02pm

re: #25 Irenicum

I jokingly (not really) said we (I) should seriously consider an e-tox or an e-hab just to get our brains cells to work again. We are so doomed.

Just recently I saw the some of the more general media have picked up on the anthropological puzzle as to why modern human brains are shrinking (this process started waaay before the iPhone, btw.) I do wonder sometimes if all our toys are just enabling us to devolve faster in some ways.

32 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:35:42pm

re: #26 Gus 802

No. They'll just force him to listen to "My Sharia" over and over again for eternity.

33 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:36:15pm

re: #31 freetoken

I'm reminded of Idiocracy.

34 Alexzander  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:36:45pm

re: #33 Irenicum

I'm reminded of Idiocracy.

I am far too often reminded of Idiocracy....

35 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:37:22pm

re: #25 Irenicum

Not if you log off & get out & go DO something.
Then you will be the superior brain that survives.
I can do this in daylight, not so well, after dark.
But, I keep trying!

36 freetoken  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:37:53pm

re: #26 Gus 802

I would venture to guess that 50 percent of the people that refer to Edward R. Murrow never heard one broadcast of his.

/

For me it is all history. I was too young to appreciate what he was doing at the time. At the time of his death I was probably enthralled in that latest of TV shows, The Flintstones.

37 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:39:21pm

re: #36 freetoken

For me it is all history. I was too young to appreciate what he was doing at the time. At the time of his death I was probably enthralled in that latest of TV shows, The Flintstones.

Did you at least have a gay old time? ;)

38 Alexzander  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:39:31pm

re: #25 Irenicum

I jokingly (not really) said we (I) should seriously consider an e-tox or an e-hab just to get our brains cells to work again. We are so doomed.

"TV Turnoff Week" turned into "Media Detox Week" this year (or was it last?) I'll be the first to admit to an internet addiction, but it doesn't help that all of my legitimate business occurs through a keyboard and over a series of tubes.

39 freetoken  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:40:22pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Did you at least have a gay old time? ;)

Back then us little ones were clueless about the double meaning.

40 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:40:24pm

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Did you at least have a gay old time? ;)

In the Navy, no doubt.
/

41 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:41:01pm

re: #31 freetoken

Just recently I saw the some of the more general media have picked up on the anthropological puzzle as to why modern human brains are shrinking (this process started waaay before the iPhone, btw.) I do wonder sometimes if all our toys are just enabling us to devolve faster in some ways.

We're all going to be part of the Borg, in the near future.
Maybe not your generation, but the next 2 or 3 are going to be part of the collective.

42 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:41:48pm

re: #41 Floral Giraffe

Resistance is futile.

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:41:57pm

re: #27 Charles

Not any more.

OK, time to get out the grill. Thank fully the snow has stopped in Chicagoland. Grilling two trolls will take a bit longer so a late dinner will be served in 40 minutes.

44 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:42:30pm

re: #31 freetoken

Just recently I saw the some of the more general media have picked up on the anthropological puzzle as to why modern human brains are shrinking (this process started waaay before the iPhone, btw.) I do wonder sometimes if all our toys are just enabling us to devolve faster in some ways.

We have contracted-out clumsy brain tasks to clay tablets, parchment, and laptops. Our brains aren't shrinking as much as ephemeralizing. (Neanderthals ran a couple hundred cc's larger than us, but they had to remember everything.)

45 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:43:03pm

Oh hai lizards. I spent a great weekend visiting my little Canadian grandkids! Can't stay up to play too long, since it's a "work" day tomorrow. Considering that Ford takes the week off, but the suppliers have to come in anyway.

Can't work too hard though, it's understood this is a slack-off week.

46 albusteve  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:43:50pm

re: #25 Irenicum

I haven't been around much lately, and didn't look at the thread below. We still have birthers hanging out here? Ugh. Concerning the state of our intellectual life here in the US, I read a piece in the NYT's the other day about the effect of the internet and especially social media on the attention span of students, and boy was it depressing. I jokingly (not really) said we (I) should seriously consider an e-tox or an e-hab just to get our brains cells to work again. We are so doomed.


yeah, I'm not too optimistic myself....but I tried to teach my own kids that they will only get out of life what they put into it and I could not be more pleased with their successes....I just sort of shut out the rest and hunker down...the net certainly has a downside

47 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:43:57pm

re: #42 Irenicum

Well, there are some that I resist, and others that I do not.
Smart will get you out of a lot of jams, IF you want to get out.

48 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:44:29pm

re: #31 freetoken

Just recently I saw the some of the more general media have picked up on the anthropological puzzle as to why modern human brains are shrinking (this process started waaay before the iPhone, btw.) I do wonder sometimes if all our toys are just enabling us to devolve faster in some ways.

My brain big.
You dumb! Me smarty.

:P

49 Alexzander  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:47:41pm

re: #45 Alouette


Can't work too hard though, it's understood this is a slack-off week.

I've been trying to convince my partner that this is indeed slack week, but she is nevertheless quite stressed about returning to work tomorrow morning - or at least she was last night; she's been out all day since her mum is in town.

I'm heading off to the youth shelter again tonight for the third day in a row. Today was such as quiet day for me that I'm actually looking forward to it, plus I have yet to find employment after my recent move so I might as well keep busy.

50 freetoken  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:48:20pm

re: #41 Floral Giraffe


Maybe not your generation, but the next 2 or 3 are going to be part of the collective.

The tea partiers aren't going to be happy about that.

51 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:49:58pm

re: #31 freetoken

Just recently I saw the some of the more general media have picked up on the anthropological puzzle as to why modern human brains are shrinking (this process started waaay before the iPhone, btw.) I do wonder sometimes if all our toys are just enabling us to devolve faster in some ways.

40 years ago it was possible to set yourself up with a drafting table, parallel guide, templates, lamp, and stool and open up a design business for several hundred dollars. Now, you have to spend several thousand dollars for a computer and software.

As computing advances and we see more and more super computers we'll eventually see more traditional design positions become obsolete. Model builders are becoming obsolete with the onset of 3D printers. Rendering and 3D modeling is becoming more and more automated.

What once took years of practice on the drawing board utilizing pencil, pen and ink has become replaced with keyboard entries or routines. This of course will reduce the need for the keen process of cognitive spatial orientation.

52 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:50:26pm

re: #48 Varek Raith

My brain big.
You dumb! Me smarty.

:P

You must be an anarchist.

/

53 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:50:34pm

re: #50 freetoken

They will learn to submit.
It's already happening & they are happy with it!

54 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:51:20pm

re: #52 Gus 802

You must be an anarchist.

/

No me Ug!
Who anar..ana..ana..
Who dat?

55 Alexzander  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:51:57pm

re: #51 Gus 802

This of course will reduce the need for the keen process of cognitive spatial orientation.

Thankfully, that task correlates with so many other cognitive skills that it will persist at the very least by proxy. Not to mention the application of spatial orientation skillls within a simulated environment.

56 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:52:04pm

re: #53 Floral Giraffe

They will learn to submit.
It's already happening & they are happy with it!

As long as someone has to live in a crappier part of the cube.

57 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:52:22pm

re: #52 Gus 802

You must be an anarchist.

/

Rotating title nomination!
PLEASE?!

58 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:53:06pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

You're begging for the kitchens or the latrines?
*smooch*

59 Alexzander  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:53:46pm

I'm off guys - see any of you still around in three hours. Sorry about the diagnosis Varek Raith; I occasionally have flair ups of the same affliction.

60 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:54:13pm

re: #52 Gus 802

You must be an anarchist.

/

Speaking of anarchists, has Barrett Brown found a friendly blog for him to spew his idiotic rants?

61 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:54:24pm

re: #58 Floral Giraffe

You're begging for the kitchens or the latrines?
*smooch*

Borg Cubes are 3000x3000x3000 meters and contain 130,000 drones.
Have fun!

62 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:54:31pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of anarchists, has Barrett Brown found a friendly blog for him to spew his idiotic rants?

Not that I've noticed.

63 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:54:58pm

That's so very true.
It's sad, because it's a combination of an art and a skill.

64 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:55:29pm

re: #58 Floral Giraffe

You're begging for the kitchens or the latrines?
*smooch*

Ha. When I showed up at military school I was really skinny. The chief nun knew what to do, and put me on KP for a year. The cook-nun fed me up.

65 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:56:07pm

Hey gang, I just heard a police officer here in the Boston (Woburn) area was just killed in a jewelry robbery. Please keep his family in prayer and his fellow officers. Dammit. Evil bastards won't even let a blizzard stop their insanity.

66 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:56:28pm

re: #59 Alexzander

I'm off guys - see any of you still around in three hours. Sorry about the diagnosis Varek Raith; I occasionally have flair ups of the same affliction.

I'm so confused.
...

67 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 7:56:35pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

He's 19. One will turn up eventually.
Or he'll turn into the Christopher Hitchens of his age.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:01:02pm

Apple drops WikiLeaks app, Google keeps it

BOSTON (December 27, 2010) : Apple Inc has joined a growing number of US companies that have severed ties with WikiLeaks, removing an application from its online store that gave users access to the controversial website's content.

But Google Inc, which operates the second-largest online mobile applications store, has kept more than half a dozen apps available on its Android Marketplace that make it easier to access the confidential US government documents WikiLeaks had released on its site.

The two distinct approaches highlight how it is far tougher for developers to get on the iPhone's platform than Android's. Some of the Android programmes provide direct access to the WikiLeaks cables, and one of them even alerts users whenever a new leaked document from the WikiLeaks repository is made public.

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:01:11pm

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

Speaking of anarchists, has Barrett Brown found a friendly blog for him to spew his idiotic rants?

He was posting today on Rodan's "Diary of Daedalus Dorkus". He's been demoted to the Stalker Blog.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:02:05pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

He was posting today on Rodan's "Diary of Daedalus Dorkus". He's been demoted to the Stalker Blog.

So they accept anarchists on their site?

71 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:03:54pm

re: #55 Alexzander

Thankfully, that task correlates with so many other cognitive skills that it will persist at the very least by proxy. Not to mention the application of spatial orientation skillls within a simulated environment.

I foresee a time when clients will be able to work within a 3D environment accessing an AI architect to guide them through their parameters (3D goggle and gloves). You would be able to move walls and floors using hand movements and using voice commands to add or remove features, period styles, colors, furniture, etc. That would be an interactive system. Another way would be a robot architect of sorts which could combine the previous idea.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:04:35pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

So they accept anarchists on their site?

He hates Charles now, and they hate Charles. It's a marriage of mutual butthurt.

73 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:06:54pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Well, 19 year old, self proclaimed anarchists. They seem to accept. I suspect it's temporary, but, honestly, who cares?

74 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:08:00pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

He hates Charles now, and they hate Charles. It's a marriage of mutual butthurt.

DADDY NEVER LOVED ME!

75 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:09:31pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It must be a hormonal thing. Sheesh.

76 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:09:45pm

Don't know if we talked this a couple months ago, but it helps erase the fear of kids being submerged in pop culture.

Hayabusa Return Mission:

[Link: www.google.com...]

77 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:10:19pm

re: #71 Gus 802

You do still need the artists vision. Every great architect (IMHO) has had the interpretation skill of understanding what the client wants, and making it a reality. See John Lautner, for the best. LOTS of Lautner's work in the area here. He used true craftsmen to execute his & his clients visions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

78 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:11:52pm

re: #77 Floral Giraffe

You do still need the artists vision. Every great architect (IMHO) has had the interpretation skill of understanding what the client wants, and making it a reality. See John Lautner, for the best. LOTS of Lautner's work in the area here. He used true craftsmen to execute his & his clients visions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In theory you should be able to replicate that with AI.

79 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:13:31pm

re: #78 Gus 802

In theory you should be able to replicate that with AI.

No worries. AGW will kill us all long before it's ever developed.

/

80 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:13:42pm

re: #78 Gus 802

No way. It's people skills. Listening & interpreting.

81 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:16:47pm

re: #80 Floral Giraffe

No way. It's people skills. Listening & interpreting.

That would be programed into the system. Much like robotic medical doctors and surgery of the future. The same as robots have replaced industrial craftsman.

82 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:16:56pm

re: #80 Floral Giraffe

No way. It's people skills. Listening & interpreting.

I've always believed software is only as good as the person clicking the mouse or tapping the keys.

LGF, for example, may give you fantastic tools, but does it make lucid and memorable comments on your behalf?

83 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:17:43pm

re: #77 Floral Giraffe

You do still need the artists vision. Every great architect (IMHO) has had the interpretation skill of understanding what the client wants, and making it a reality. See John Lautner, for the best. LOTS of Lautner's work in the area here. He used true craftsmen to execute his & his clients visions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Buildings need spikes. And dungeons. And lava and...

84 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:18:35pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Buildings need spikes. And dungeons. And lava and...

Beep. Qweesh. Zap. Beep.

/Suddenly it starts singing Daisy.

//

85 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:18:47pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Buildings need spikes. And dungeons. And lava and...

And gargoyles.

And murder holes.

And strippers.

86 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:19:40pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And gargoyles.

And murder holes.

And strippers.

Right!
We got this architect thing down quick!

87 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:19:47pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And gargoyles.

And murder holes.

And strippers.

I'd like a surgical theater with a disco ball please.

/

88 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:20:07pm

re: #85 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And gargoyles.

And murder holes.

And strippers.

Oubillettes.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:20:20pm

re: #79 publicityStunted

No worries. AGW will kill us all long before it's ever developed.

/

That will be in 2012 so they better hurry up.

///

90 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:24:13pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Buildings need spikes. And dungeons. And lava and...

GARGOYLES! Do not forget the gargoyles.

91 Irenicum  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:25:50pm

Well, I'm gonna enjoy the rest of the latest snowpocalypse. G'nite gang. I'll try to be back more often. I forgot how twisted y'all are. ;)

92 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:26:12pm

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

GARGOYLES! Do not forget the gargoyles.

That's Kragar's department.
:)

93 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:26:36pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

jon Stuart does some good things, but he's a comedian, not a serious reporter like Murrow was.

He's much more than that and his biting commentary speaks volumes about the current state of politics in Washington.

94 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:26:50pm

re: #90 Floral Giraffe

GARGOYLES! Do not forget the gargoyles.

Hanging cages filled with heretics and non-believers.

95 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:29:04pm

re: #92 Varek Raith

That's Kragar's department.
:)

LOL!

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:29:28pm

re: #94 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hanging cages filled with heretics and non-believers.

This isn't the Daily Kos. We grill the enemy here, instead. And tonight's Troll Roast is now served. Feel free to help yourselves. They say that troll is a great antidote to turkey-comas.

97 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:29:30pm

re: #78 Gus 802

In theory you should be able to replicate that with AI.

DARPA + Memristors = Skynet

98 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:30:12pm

OK, I'm holding on to my sided laughing.
Does you daughter know you're like this?
My side are hurting!

99 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:30:17pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

DARPA + Memristors = Skynet

Skynet's a pansy.
ALL HAIL SHODAN!

100 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:32:29pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

This isn't the Daily Kos. We grill the enemy here, instead. And tonight's Troll Roast is now served. Feel free to help yourselves. They say that troll is a great antidote to turkey-comas.

Duh, you store meat on hooks.

101 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:34:10pm

Snowpocalypse usually hit the second week of January, just in tome for Market. It's 2 weeks early.
LOL! An annual "storm of the century". is so true.
Hang in there NYC folks, Brookly too.

102 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:35:36pm

FF crashed.
I blame GWB.
:P

103 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:37:03pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

FF crashed.
I blame GWB.
:P

It was Skynet. They weren't very happy with you calling them a pansy.

/

104 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:38:09pm

re: #103 Gus 802

It was Skynet. They weren't very happy with you calling them a pansy.

/

Ah, I see.
OH NOES YOU STOPPED MY BROWSING FOR 5 SECONDS!
IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO SKYNET?!?!

105 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #104 Varek Raith

Ah, I see.
OH NOES YOU STOPPED MY BROWSING FOR 5 SECONDS!
IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO SKYNET?!?!

Skynet is disinclined to mess with you too much, Varek. After all, a Sith can pull a computer's insides apart purely through the power of the Force.

106 sagehen  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:40:48pm

re: #51 Gus 802

What once took years of practice on the drawing board utilizing pencil, pen and ink has become replaced with keyboard entries or routines. This of course will reduce the need for the keen process of cognitive spatial orientation.

But people now have to fit a week's stuff into smaller carry-on bags, or a whole family's worth of stuff into a much smaller trunk than when our parents took us on driving vacations -- spatial visualization is still a practiced skill.

And just think, when HDTV is replaced by 3D, and hooked up to the Wii...

107 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:43:59pm

Speaking of Skynet, it's a shame the Sarah Connor Chronicles was cancelled after the second season.

108 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:45:22pm

To be sure, Stewart brought the 9/11 responders back into the spotlight, and just in the nick of time.

But to be fair, Fox's Shep Smith definitely gets an assist due to his naming names of the Republicans who wouldn't even deign to appear on Fox and explain their opposition.

While Stewart led the way, Smith's comments on Fox may have been the clincher. It would have been easy for those pols to dismiss Stewart's efforts, but catching heat on Fox may have scared those Republicans even more.

109 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:47:31pm

re: #101 Floral Giraffe

Snowpocalypse usually hit the second week of January, just in tome for Market. It's 2 weeks early.
LOL! An annual "storm of the century". is so true.
Hang in there NYC folks, Brookly too.

Progresso clam chowder & Budwiser... I can hold out for weeks if I have to.

110 Interesting Times  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:49:20pm

re: #108 makeitstop

While Stewart led the way, Smith's comments on Fox may have been the clincher. It would have been easy for those pols to dismiss Stewart's efforts, but catching heat on Fox may have scared those Republicans even more.

Stewart made plenty of mentions of Fox in his original segment, practically ordering Huckabee (his guest that night) to tell them to give the story more coverage (his basic gist was, "you're perfectly capable of being a 9/11 outrage machine when it suits you, like on the Cordoba Center controversy, so why not on this issue?")

111 Jaerik  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:51:05pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

Serious news doesn't exist because there isn't a serious audience.

I think it's an odd form of desperation more than anything. We're confronted with extremely complicated problems that most people just don't have the capacity to really understand or do anything about, and that's frightening.

So they abstract their worries into Survivor-like popularity battles on 24-hour "news" channels, confident that everything will turn out okay if they can just establish how much the other guy deserves to be voted off the island.

112 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:51:53pm

re: #106 sagehen

But people now have to fit a week's stuff into smaller carry-on bags, or a whole family's worth of stuff into a much smaller trunk than when our parents took us on driving vacations -- spatial visualization is still a practiced skill.

And just think, when HDTV is replaced by 3D, and hooked up to the Wii...

The loss of spatial reasoning is arguable since we are looking at the evolution of man that began when he was staring at the stone walls of his cave. Any noticeable change would require millions of years of evolution if we have indeed peaked -- going from the hand crafted work of pencil drawings to pushing buttons.

If I want to draw a circle on a computer I typically enter the letter "c" and enter the radius or diameter and the circle is drawn automatically. Template provided another shortcut. However, a perfectly hand drawn circle requires good hand eye coordination that is processed, of course, through the brain.

That we will need less people in the future is a reality, IMO. This will extend beyond the manufacturing sector and well into the service economy and the higher intellectual endeavors.

113 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:52:53pm

re: #109 brookly red

Cool! I ALWAYS came home sick from January and August market.
Had to go out in thE weather.
Staying home eating soup would have been good.

114 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:53:37pm

Someone just told me that New Jersey was closed... how do you close a state?

115 CarleeCork  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:54:19pm

Jon Stewart is more of a REAL reporter than Glenn Beck will ever be. Why is that CONS believe Beck is a reporter when Beck himself admits he is a liar, doesn't check facts and isn't a reporter?

116 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:55:48pm

re: #114 brookly red

Someone just told me that New Jersey was closed... how do you close a state?

Are all the chemical plants on shut down?

117 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:55:50pm

re: #114 brookly red

Someone just told me that New Jersey was closed... how do you close a state?

Easy.
Put up a sign that says, "Turn the fuck around, we don't want you!"
/

118 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:56:22pm

re: #114 brookly red

Someone just told me that New Jersey was closed... how do you close a state?

Did it get condemned?

119 sagehen  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:56:39pm

News organizations -- network entertainment divisions for that matter -- had a lot more leeway when you could count the stations on your fingers. And before VCRs, etc.

How many of you are old enough to remember the original broadcast of "Roots"? The only way to watch a TV show back then was to sit down in front of the TV at the time the network told you to. There were the 3 networks, big cities had a few indie stations, and that was it. The next morning, *everybody* you knew at school or the office would be talking about the episode, because some 30% of the country had watched.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:56:46pm

re: #26 Gus 802

I would venture to guess that 50 percent of the people that refer to Edward R. Murrow never heard one broadcast of his.

In other news. If Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism does that mean he will be stoned to death if found guilty? /

What is the maximum penalty, anyway, for what he's been charged with?

121 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:56:55pm

re: #114 brookly red

Someone just told me that New Jersey was closed... how do you close a state?

You lay 1 foot of wet, cold snow on it. And you have no budget to clear said wet cold snow.
See you in March!
*waves*
(Sister lives in NJ to declare fairness)

122 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:57:02pm

Think about flying an F-22 as it does today by hand. That is without the "wire guided" system. It is inherently unstable and can't be done. The same is true with GPS navigation. Pilots are becoming less knowledgeable of traditional navigation techniques. Things are becoming more and more automatic.

123 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:57:21pm

re: #110 publicityStunted

Stewart made plenty of mentions of Fox in his original segment, practically ordering Huckabee (his guest that night) to tell them to give the story more coverage (his basic gist was, "you're perfectly capable of being a 9/11 outrage machine when it suits you, like on the Cordoba Center controversy, so why not on this issue?")

Interesting. I did see the original segment he did, but didn't see the Huck interview.

I got my college degree in broadcast journalism back in the 70. It's a sad situation that a comedian has to be the one to hold politicians' feet to the fire on this. Murrow would hang his head in shame if he were to witness what his profession has atrophied into.

124 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:57:37pm

re: #121 Floral Giraffe

You lay 1 foot of wet, cold snow on it. And you have no budget to clear said wet cold snow.
See you in March!
*waves*
(Sister lives in NJ to declare fairness)

I lived there for half my life.
I'm entitled to dis it as I please.
:P

125 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:59:34pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

You may do as you please.
No one here, is stopping you...
*kaboom, for fun!*

126 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 8:59:58pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

What is the maximum penalty, anyway, for what he's been charged with?

I read somewhere that the max penalty for rape in Sweden has been somewhere around 4 years.
Section 1 of the Swedish Penal Code

'A person who, by violence or threat involving or appearing to the threatened person as imminent danger, forces the latter to have sexual intercourse or to engage in a comparable sexual act, shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years. Rendering the person unconscious or otherwise placing the person in a similarly helpless state shall be regarded as equivalent to violence.

If in view of the nature of the violence or the threat and the circumstances in other respects the offence is considered less serious, a sentence to imprisonment for at most four years shall be imposed.

If the offence is grave, a sentence to imprisonment for at least four and at most ten years shall be imposed for aggravated rape. In judging whether the offence is grave, special consideration shall be given to whether the violence involved a danger to life or whether the person who had committed the act had inflicted serious injury or serious illness or, having regard to the method used or the victim’s youth or otherwise, exhibited particular ruthlessness or brutality.'

This doesn't seem like a grave offence on the part of Assange so it would probably be less than 4 years if found guilty.

127 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:00:11pm

re: #125 Floral Giraffe

You may do as you please.
No one here, is stopping you...
*kaboom, for fun!*

I'm good.
Got an Ewok roasting in the fireplace.
Life is good.

128 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:00:11pm

re: #114 brookly red

Someone just told me that New Jersey was closed... how do you close a state?

I remember in the past they'd close entire huge stretches of the Turnpike, and closing the NJTP pretty much seals off the entire state.

In other news, LIRR has suspended all service and will operate on a holiday schedule tomorrow. This storm has certainly lived up to the hype.

129 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:00:38pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

I lived there for half my life.
I'm entitled to dis it as I please.
:P

ahhh, that explains so much...

130 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:01:42pm

re: #128 makeitstop

I remember in the past they'd close entire huge stretches of the Turnpike, and closing the NJTP pretty much seals off the entire state.

In other news, LIRR has suspended all service and will operate on a holiday schedule tomorrow. This storm has certainly lived up to the hype.

yet metro north just keeps chugging... damn those guys are good.

131 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:02:18pm

re: #129 brookly red

ahhh, that explains so much...

Youtube Video
132 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:02:37pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

So they accept anarchists on their site?

Apparently, yes, although he clearly remembers some of the crap they posted about him back when he and Charles were on better terms. I can't really imagine he'll stay there long, unless the 'we hate Charles' virus has taken over his mind.

133 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:03:56pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

What is the maximum penalty, anyway, for what he's been charged with?

Swedish Penal Code, Chapter 6 Section 1 (.pdf):

A person who by assault or otherwise by violence or by threat of a criminal act forces another person to have sexual intercourse or to undertake or endure another sexual act that, having regard to the nature of the violation and the circumstances in general, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years.

This shall also apply if a person engages with another person in sexual intercourse or in a sexual act which under the first paragraph is comparable to sexual intercourse by improperly exploiting that the person, due to unconsciousness, sleep, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, physical injury or mental disturbance, or otherwise in view of the circumstances in general, is in a helpless state.

If, in view of the circumstances associated with the crime, a crime provided for in the first or second paragraph is considered less aggravated, a sentence to imprisonment for at most four years shall be imposed for rape.

134 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

What is the maximum penalty, anyway, for what he's been charged with?

The 538 blog says an average of 715 dollars for each case.

135 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:04:39pm

re: #130 brookly red

yet metro north just keeps chugging... damn those guys are good.

It looks like LI is getting a lot more of this storm than they are to the North of NYC.

I'm supposed to play a gig in the city tomorrow night, but I'm thinking they're going to call it off.

136 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:05:13pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

I lived there for half my life.
I'm entitled to dis it as I please.
:P

Which exit?

137 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:05:16pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

The 538 blog says an average of 715 dollars for each case.

Sorry, that's past practice, not max.

138 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:05:42pm

What's the deal with all of this snow during winter?

//

139 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:06:50pm

re: #135 makeitstop

It looks like LI is getting a lot more of this storm than they are to the North of NYC.

I'm supposed to play a gig in the city tomorrow night, but I'm thinking they're going to call it off.

hard to say... they somehow keep things moving despite the odds.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:07:04pm

re: #121 Floral Giraffe

You lay 1 foot of wet, cold snow on it. And you have no budget to clear said wet cold snow.
See you in March!
*waves*
(Sister lives in NJ to declare fairness)

Big government at work. Chris Christie is doing a great job budget-wise, but he inherited a hell of a mess.

141 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:07:30pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which exit?

LOL!
38 I think.

142 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:08:37pm

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Which exit?

80.
or was it 81?
Whichever connects to Route 9 in Ocean County.

143 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:08:54pm

re: #142 Varek Raith

80.
or was it 81?
Whichever connects to Route 9 in Ocean County.

:P

144 jaunte  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:09:22pm

re: #126 Gus 802

I read somewhere that the max penalty for rape in Sweden has been somewhere around 4 years.


Why, that's practically Saudi Arabian.

145 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:09:47pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

What is the maximum penalty, anyway, for what he's been charged with?

Actually, I think the max sentence is a walk down the street--last I heard he has not yet been charged.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:10:01pm

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently, yes, although he clearly remembers some of the crap they posted about him back when he and Charles were on better terms. I can't really imagine he'll stay there long, unless the 'we hate Charles' virus has taken over his mind.

He already seems frustrated with their antics. Lie down with Stalker Dogs, Barret, and you'll wake up with Hater Fleas.

147 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:10:44pm

re: #139 brookly red

hard to say... they somehow keep things moving despite the odds.

I usually drive into NYC for this gig - I can take the Williamsburg and pretty much park right in front of the club.

Parking might be tricky tomorrow night, to say the least.

148 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:11:44pm

re: #144 jaunte

Why, that's practically Saudi Arabian.

Just think. If those charges were ever filed against a common man he too would be hanging out in a mansion waiting for a February hearing while raking up million dollar book deals.

//

149 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:11:52pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Actually, I think the max sentence is a walk down the street--last I heard he has not yet been charged.

Point taken...I meant 'what they say he did'.

150 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:11:56pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

What is the maximum penalty, anyway, for what he's been charged with?

Also, I know that due process is my own hangup, but he hasn't officially been charged yet. He's being extradited on a material witness warrant, because he blew off an arranged meeting with the prosecutor (an incredibly stupid decision.)

151 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:12:01pm

re: #142 Varek Raith

80.
or was it 81?
Whichever connects to Route 9 in Ocean County.

Had some buddies just off the 287 and the 80 interchange.

152 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:12:35pm

re: #147 makeitstop

I usually drive into NYC for this gig - I can take the Williamsburg and pretty much park right in front of the club.

Parking might be tricky tomorrow night, to say the least.

ahhh, parking... you might have to pay for that. do you have a lot to haul?

153 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:14:21pm

re: #152 brookly red

ahhh, parking... you might have to pay for that. do you have a lot to haul?

I usually get a spot right on the street. The club is on Stanton, but if I swing around the corner I usually get the same spot every week.

The club's got a full backline, so all I have to carry is two guitars and a pedalboard. Part of the reason I like playing that gig. :)

154 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:14:32pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Just think. If those charges were ever filed against a common man he too would be hanging out in a mansion waiting for a February hearing while raking up million dollar book deals.

//

Which makes you ask if this case would have been brought to this point for "a common man".

155 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:15:37pm

re: #153 makeitstop

I usually get a spot right on the street. The club is on Stanton, but if I swing around the corner I usually get the same spot every week.

The club's got a full backline, so all I have to carry is two guitars and a pedalboard. Part of the reason I like playing that gig. :)

stanton... hmm. after party @ the hat?

156 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:16:24pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Which makes you ask if this case would have been brought to this point for "a common man".

Can't say. Would have to look through case records.

157 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:17:24pm

re: #155 brookly red

stanton... hmm. after party @ the hat?

10:00 at Arlene's. Karaoke band.

158 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:18:40pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Which makes you ask if this case would have been brought to this point for "a common man".

I'd really like to see him charged with obstruction of justice for due process purposes. It does bother me that he's being arrested and held on bail with no official charges, but it ain't my legal system and I've given up trying to understand how it works.

159 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:20:33pm

re: #157 makeitstop

10:00 at Arlene's. Karaoke band.

have fun! a snow bound monday could bust loose.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:22:27pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

I'd really like to see him charged with obstruction of justice for due process purposes. It does bother me that he's being arrested and held on bail with no official charges, but it ain't my legal system and I've given up trying to understand how it works.

I try to breathe deeply and cope when dealing with non-American legal systems, and remind myself that ours is not the only way of doing this. Sometimes I do better than at other times.

161 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:23:34pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

I try to breathe deeply and cope when dealing with non-American legal systems, and remind myself that ours is not the only way of doing this. Sometimes I do better than at other times.

/if she floats, she's a witch!

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:24:18pm

re: #161 brookly red

/if she floats, she's a witch!

And then there are the legal systems that are just ridiculous.

163 makeitstop  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:24:47pm

re: #159 brookly red

have fun! a snow bound monday could bust loose.

Thanks, I always have fun there. One show, 3 hours, no breaks.

They have a pretty packed Monday just about all the time.

164 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:24:48pm

re: #161 brookly red

I thought it was if she sunk...

165 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:25:38pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

I thought it was if she sunk...

Nah. That would be your ex-witch.

166 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

I thought it was if she sunk...

no, floats... like a duck.

167 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:25:46pm

I guess New Jersey is closed...

Acting Governor Sweeney Declares Statewide Weather State of Emergency

Christie must have split.

/

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:26:56pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

I thought it was if she sunk...

If you float, you're guilty. If you drown, you were innocent.

169 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:27:20pm

re: #167 Gus 802

I guess New Jersey is closed...

Acting Governor Sweeney Declares Statewide Weather State of Emergency

Christie must have split.

/

Ha! My goomba radar went off just by looking at his face.

170 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:29:06pm

My kids are currently attacking their "Littlest Pet Shop" house with the Lego Hero Factory figures they got.

171 Decatur Deb  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:29:34pm

'Nite, all.

172 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:35:21pm

Because I need a little patience in my life right now...

Youtube Video
173 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:37:27pm
Blizzard Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
1138 PM EST SUN DEC 26 2010

...DANGEROUS WINTER STORM OVERNIGHT INTO MONDAY...

NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>[no phone numbers allowed]45-
/O.CON.KOKX.BZ.W.0002.000000T0000Z-101227T2300Z/
WESTERN PASSAIC-EASTERN PASSAIC-HUDSON-WESTERN BERGEN-
EASTERN BERGEN-WESTERN ESSEX-EASTERN ESSEX-WESTERN UNION-
EASTERN UNION-ORANGE-PUTNAM-ROCKLAND-NORTHERN WESTCHESTER-
RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)-
1138 PM EST SUN DEC 26 2010

...BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST MONDAY...

A BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST MONDAY.

* HAZARDS...HEAVY SNOW AND STRONG WINDS...WITH CONSIDERABLE
BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF SNOW WITH NEAR ZERO VISIBILITY AT TIMES.

* ACCUMULATIONS...18 TO 24 INCHES...WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS
UP TO 30 INCHES POSSIBLE.

* IMPACTS...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS DUE TO
SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...AND STRONG WINDS CAUSING
CONSIDERABLE BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF SNOW. VISIBILITIES WILL
BE NEAR ZERO AT TIMES...WITH WHITEOUT CONDITIONS EXPECTED.
STRONG WINDS MAY ALSO DOWN SOME POWER LINES...TREE LIMBS...AND
CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL BE HEAVY AT TIMES OVERNIGHT...WITH POSSIBLE
RUMBLES OF THUNDER. THE SNOW WILL TAPER OFF FROM WEST TO EAST
LATE TONIGHT. STRONG NORTHWEST WINDS WILL PERSIST THROUGH MONDAY
AFTERNOON.

* WINDS....NORTH WINDS OF 25 TO 40 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 55 MPH ARE
EXPECTED THROUGH LATE TONIGHT.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A BLIZZARD WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. FALLING AND BLOWING SNOW WITH STRONG WINDS
AND POOR VISIBILITIES ARE LIKELY. THIS WILL LEAD TO WHITEOUT
CONDITIONS...MAKING TRAVEL EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. DO NOT TRAVEL. IF
YOU MUST TRAVEL...HAVE A WINTER SURVIVAL KIT WITH YOU. IF YOU GET
STRANDED...STAY WITH YOUR VEHICLE.

&&

$$

174 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:38:42pm

Night!

175 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:39:02pm

re: #173 Gus 802

whaaa? it's snowing?

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:39:12pm

John Stewart is a Good Guy, and those are increasingly difficult to come by

177 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:40:42pm

re: #175 brookly red

whaaa? it's snowing?

I demand a refund!

178 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:43:16pm

re: #177 Gus 802

I demand a refund!

fine... come to our customer relations department, 165 Broad street, Newark, NJ, suite 102... ask for Tony.

179 sagehen  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:44:10pm

re: #167 Gus 802

I guess New Jersey is closed...

Acting Governor Sweeney Declares Statewide Weather State of Emergency

Christie must have split.

/


He's saving money by cancelling salt and snowplows. There's a recession on, y'know, can't be running deficits.

More tax cuts!! Let people hire private-sector snow removal if they want it so badly.

180 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:45:13pm

re: #179 sagehen

He's saving money by cancelling salt and snowplows. There's a recession on, y'know, can't be running deficits.

More tax cuts!! Let people hire private-sector snow removal if they want it so badly.

They even allow salt anymore in NJ?

181 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:45:55pm

re: #178 brookly red

fine... come to our customer relations department, 165 Broad street, Newark, NJ, suite 102... ask for Tony.


That was very funny.
Major upding!

182 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:46:59pm

re: #180 Gus 802

Ask Tony!
LOL!

183 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:47:53pm

re: #182 Floral Giraffe

Ask Tony!
LOL!

someone found the vino ehh?

184 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:51:31pm

you know, the kids made an ice sculpture in the alley next door & it looks so much like the landlord is kinda scary...

185 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:53:06pm

re: #184 brookly red

With or without the machine gun?
//eleventy///

186 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:54:50pm

re: #185 Floral Giraffe

With or without the machine gun?
//eleventy///

no, the clipboard...

his eyes, so cold, so lifeless... it looks so real.

187 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 9:59:50pm

re: #179 sagehen

He's saving money by cancelling salt and snowplows. There's a recession on, y'know, can't be running deficits.

More tax cuts!! Let people hire private-sector snow removal if they want it so badly.

why pay for something thats gonna melt?

188 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:02:44pm

re: #187 brookly red

Because they want sooner rather than later?

189 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:05:32pm

re: #188 Floral Giraffe

Because they want sooner rather than later?

were you not the one who wanted a lil patience?

190 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:05:56pm

re: #188 Floral Giraffe

Because they want sooner rather than later?

I'm cold, I can't drive because of the snow, my toes are turning black from frostbite.

Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Bunch of babies.

191 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:07:36pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm cold, I can't drive because of the snow, my toes are turning black from frostbite.

Bitch, bitch, bitch.

Bunch of babies.

Russians never bitch about a little frostbite, just saying.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:12:56pm

Good night all.
Whiners & toughies too!

193 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:13:49pm

No Country For Old Men - Hotel Showdown

Youtube Video
194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:14:45pm

re: #191 brookly red

Russians never bitch about a little frostbite, just saying.

oh they do, then they get walled up in gulags

195 brookly red  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:17:31pm

re: #194 WindUpBird

oh they do, then they get walled up in gulags

you talk of gulags as we close entire states?

196 Kragar  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:36:00pm

re: #195 brookly red

you talk of gulags as we close entire states?

Let me know when they mine the roads and start machinegunning people crossing the border.

197 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:42:02pm

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Let me know when they mine the roads and start machinegunning people crossing the border.

Urging people not to freeze to death is un-american.

It's mah hot body, I do what I want!

198 Gus  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:49:21pm

Good night.

199 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 10:58:31pm

Worthy watching again, Stewart discusses his own role in relations to politics therein: The Maddow/Stewart video uncut

200 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 11:05:37pm

Also, Larry King's interview with Jon Stewart earlier this year, King explicitly mentions Murrow to Stewart.

201 Killgore Trout  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 11:13:31pm

Annie Lennox - God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen

Youtube Video

Nice pipes.
/excelsis deo, ya'll
202 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Dec 26, 2010 11:19:32pm

On that note:

Youtube Video
203 freetoken  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:12:24am

An ode to the nor'easter:

MP3 Audio
204 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:16:30am

Goodnight, all.

205 deranged cat  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:23:13am

good for jon stewart! im proud to be a big daily show fan!

206 keithgabryelski  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:47:20am

what bugs me are the dismissals and denials of the form

1) he's just a comedian.
2) anyone who gets their news for him is lacking.
3) he's not a journalist.

All of those are true and false at the same time.

He purports to just be a comedian, but have you seen comedians handle interviews as graciously and he? Watch his interviews (over the years) with John McCain, or Bill Kristol, or anyone that is politically in a different camp than he -- obviously there are exceptions: there was no "grace" when he went on crossfire and handed Tucker Carlson his own ass -- he's not a fan of Jonah Goldberg and he didn't handle that interview well (but, hey -- who is?)
In any case, I contend the nations, liberals in particular, has a lot to learn from his ability to see and internalize the views of the other side of the political spectrum.

I can't imagine someone watching John Stewart and NOT having the curiosity to get information from other sources.

What is journalism vs. simple punditry? The digging up of new information that others don't have and presenting it in a clear and unbiased fashion? TDS has a trundle of interns (trundle being the collective noun for interns, at least I just made it up so) whom scour the news for contrary and misinformation which is presented (albeit in the tone of humor) generally unvarnished (by unvarnished I mean, TDS doesn't generally doesn't attempt to paint someone with a view that isn't already theirs -- there is enough comedy in the things people believe rather than make up false positions to knock them down).

yeah, i have a lot of respect for John Stewart.

207 Kragar  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:48:10am

Julian Assange paid two thirds of WikiLeaks salary budget

It has been reported that German-based Wau Holland Foundation collected about $1.3 million in donations in 2010 on behalf of WikiLeaks. According to the Wall Street Journal, Mr Assange was paid $86,000 (£56,000) in salary in 2010 – two-thirds of the total WikiLeaks salary budget of $130,000 (£84,000).

208 Kragar  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 12:52:09am

re: #206 keithgabryelski

3) he's not a journalist.

The funny thing is the people who say that, then don't bat an eye when they say the learned something from Limbaugh or Beck.

209 boxhead  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 1:25:48am

re: #208 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The funny thing is the people who say that, then don't bat an eye when they say the learned something from Limbaugh or Beck.

From the earliest Greece comedies social inequities was the subject matter that was lampooned. For example Lysistrata. Comedy has always been the standard bearer for truth. Just because not all comedians follow this path does not mean those that do are the exception to the rule. I submit the comedians that do not speak truth to power are the ones who are treading the wrong path.

210 freetoken  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 1:29:52am
MP3 Audio
211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:25:29am

why does modern mastering produce shittier music? here is why: [Link: www.wired.com...]

212 freetoken  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:34:07am

re: #211 WindUpBird

The lack of dynamics is certainly one problem of contemporary "music". Still, I think other problems run deeper.

213 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:43:40am

re: #212 freetoken

The lack of dynamics is certainly one problem of contemporary "music". Still, I think other problems run deeper.

other music problems? or other problems period? :D

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:49:50am

re: #212 freetoken

The lack of dynamics is certainly one problem of contemporary "music". Still, I think other problems run deeper.

I'm coming from the position of being a guy into underground extreme music that has a lot of care (despite what some may claim) put into its production, mastering and dynamics, it's pretty atrocious to me that mainstream music is clipped and slaughtered in this manner, because I listen to music on headphones, and the aural space and relative dynamics of heavy music are pretty much the core of what I like about music

but it's salesmanship and cutting through shit on the radio, music as carnival barker, as advertisement, not as music. Like fast food. you can't tell someone to stop eating mcdonalds, they have to stop eating it on their own.

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 2:59:45am

Looks very bad for Khodorkovsky. The sentence is being read out and the defense says it mostly repeats the indictment word for word.

217 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:17:33am

re: #214 WindUpBird

I'm coming from the position of being a guy into underground extreme music that has a lot of care (despite what some may claim) put into its production, mastering and dynamics, it's pretty atrocious to me that mainstream music is clipped and slaughtered in this manner, because I listen to music on headphones, and the aural space and relative dynamics of heavy music are pretty much the core of what I like about music

I loves me some Bob Power. From his interview with Ego Trip magazine:

A lot of people seem to sleep on the importance of the engineers' role-

-ahh, no. I'm sorry. Even as a producer I'll say generally what I do when I produce, and it depends on the project, is I'm there to make the people into the best version of what they really are. If you are a producer and you try to change what somebody is, then you're fucking up and actually you're fucking them up too. But as an engineer, I consider myself a facilitator - helping people realize their ideas, and that's all.

But at the same time, the right engineer can make the difference.

It can really help, but that's where it crosses the line of what the relationship is about, and I have to be careful when I work with people. I believe in functions, and everybody has a function at a different time, and if I'm sweeping the floors, I'm gonna shut my mouth and sweep the floors so I don't get in anyone's way. If I'm engineering, I'm going to be as supportive as I can, but at the same time, if there's something going down that I really, really think is fucked up, I'll say "Listen, are you guys sure. Take another listen to this. This is why I think it's a little bit funny. Tell me if you think I'm wrong." And half the time people say "No, I hear you, but I love it that way" or "Oh, you're right that might bug us, let's try that again."

218 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:22:28am

re: #216 Sergey Romanov

Image: aecbdc0bb8ef94476587c70adc87fe3f.jpg

Powerful photograph, portrait of a spectacle.

219 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:23:14am

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Powerful photograph, portrait of a spectacle.

Boschian.

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:34:22am

re: #217 goddamnedfrank

it's fascinating stuff, because it's so subjective and yet so much of a science *_*

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 3:35:18am

MAN I love beer

222 researchok  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 4:14:34am

Morning all.

223 researchok  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 4:15:37am

re: #221 WindUpBird

MAN I love beer

You are a cultured man.

224 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 4:39:00am

re: #209 boxhead

From the earliest Greece comedies social inequities was the subject matter that was lampooned. For example Lysistrata. Comedy has always been the standard bearer for truth. Just because not all comedians follow this path does not mean those that do are the exception to the rule. I submit the comedians that do not speak truth to power are the ones who are treading the wrong path.

Our school censored everything--our mail from home, the few library magazines, Sports Illustrated. They forgot about Lysistrata and Ars Amoris. Toga Porn!!!

225 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 4:58:35am

How can I upload pics directly to LGF?

226 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:01:26am

We got buried last night. Outside my window shortly after 7:00am EST this morning:

Image: snow_2010-12-27_1308.jpg

And I'm gonna out of cigs before the day is over. #@*$^%!!

This must be Obama's doing. That evil Michelle probably wouldn't let him smoke all Christmas weekend, so in a fit of envy he waved his hand imperiously and conjured up a socialist snowstorm to prevent us patriotic Americans from exercising our constitutionally protected, God-given right to poison ourselves. Or something like that...//

227 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:01:42am

re: #225 Sergey Romanov

How can I upload pics directly to LGF?

There is an upload tool for LGF pages.

228 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:02:37am

re: #225 Sergey Romanov

How can I upload pics directly to LGF?

You can only do it if you make a page. Otherwise you have to link form somewhere else (your web server, Flickr, etc.)

229 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:04:38am

re: #225 Sergey Romanov

re: #227 Alouette

Thought we had to go through an intermediary website like Flikr. Could be behind Charles' curve. (If you are very privacy-conscious, check into the hidden info on some digital camera output.)

230 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:07:53am

re: #229 Decatur Deb

re: #227 Alouette

Thought we had to go through an intermediary website like Flikr. Could be behind Charles' curve. (If you are very privacy-conscious, check into the hidden info on some digital camera output.)

No intermediary is required for the pages. Good advice for everyone to remember regarding the hidden data.

231 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:10:49am

re: #230 CuriousLurker

No intermediary is required for the pages. Good advice for everyone to remember regarding the hidden data.

Thanks. Would it be possible to use a page as an intermediary, and move an image to the threads? Need to re-read the notes.

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:11:16am

re: #227 Alouette

There is an upload tool for LGF pages.

Thanks. Found out there's a 200kb limit though.

233 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:12:35am

re: #230 CuriousLurker

No intermediary is required for the pages. Good advice for everyone to remember regarding the hidden data.

What I do is copy the photo in PS and paste it into a blank file. But in Vista (and I suppose W7) you can remove the metadata naturally through the OS. Cool.

234 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:13:49am

re: #226 CuriousLurker

We got buried last night. Outside my window shortly after 7:00am EST this morning:

Image: snow_2010-12-27_1308.jpg

And I'm gonna out of cigs before the day is over. #@*$^%!!

This must be Obama's doing. That evil Michelle probably wouldn't let him smoke all Christmas weekend, so in a fit of envy he waved his hand imperiously and conjured up a socialist snowstorm to prevent us patriotic Americans from exercising our constitutionally protected, God-given right to poison ourselves. Or something like that...//

And it just happens while he's going Galt in Hawaii... I'm just askin' here.

235 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:15:21am

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Thanks. Would it be possible to use a page as an intermediary, and move an image to the threads? Need to re-read the notes.

Hmm, I never considered trying that. Hang on and I'll test it...

236 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:16:01am

Good morning all.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:16:19am

Here's a yesterday's view from the window of where I am currently:

Image: viewvr.jpg

238 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:16:32am

re: #231 Decatur Deb

This is from one of my pages:

Image: rnc_ornament.jpg

Yep, looks like it works.

239 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:18:19am

re: #238 CuriousLurker

This is from one of my pages:

Image: rnc_ornament.jpg

Yep, looks like it works.

Quick--call a patent attorney. I'll let you have top billing for the Lurker-Deb process if I get a 70-30 split.

240 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:18:35am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

And it just happens while he's going Galt in Hawaii... I'm just askin' here.

LOL!

241 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:19:31am

re: #237 Sergey Romanov

Here's a yesterday's view from the window of where I am currently:

Image: viewvr.jpg

Nice. Looks pretty much like New Jersey right now, but with better trees.

242 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:22:03am

re: #236 Shropshire_Slasher

Good morning all.

What's so damned good about it? //

Good morning. ;o)

243 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:28:24am

re: #232 Sergey Romanov

Thanks. Found out there's a 200kb limit though.

If you have Photoshop or some other image editor, it's easy to save your image as a JPG that is <100kb

244 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:29:24am

re: #242 CuriousLurker

What's so damned good about it? //

Good morning. ;o)

Are you in NY area? Bwahaha! Sux, doesn't it?

245 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:30:58am

re: #242 CuriousLurker
Oooohh you're an angry elf, cmere give me a hug.
Sorry, I've seen Elf one too many times over the weekend.

246 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:33:24am

re: #244 Alouette

Are you in NY area? Bwahaha! Sux, doesn't it?

Yep, in Jersey. It's mess out there and the temp is presently 21 degrees. Ugh.

247 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:35:42am

re: #245 Shropshire_Slasher

Oooohh you're an angry elf, cmere give me a hug.
Sorry, I've seen Elf one too many times over the weekend.

*ponders the wisdom of hugging someone named slasher...*
Ahhh, what the heck. {Shropshire_Slasher}

248 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:37:57am

re: #247 CuriousLurker

*ponders the wisdom of hugging someone named slasher...*
Ahhh, what the heck. {Shropshire_Slasher}

It's OK, it's his day off. ;-)

249 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:38:01am

Where the heck is the morning crew? It's not usually this quiet at this hour is it?

250 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:39:31am

re: #249 CuriousLurker

Where the heck is the morning crew? It's not usually this quiet at this hour is it?

Morning!

I suspect everybody's trying to stay warm.
You've got sneaux.
We've got temps in the low 20's, unheard of! My heater can't keep up. My daughter is in her bathroom reading a book with a space heater on. Too cold in the house. Brrrrr!

251 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:40:10am

re: #249 CuriousLurker

Where the heck is the morning crew? It's not usually this quiet at this hour is it?

Weird week between the holidays and the weather. For a while this was a time when conservative Lizards held sway.

252 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:41:09am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Hope you brought the plants and 'gators indoors.

253 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:41:17am

re: #251 Decatur Deb
All three of us

254 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:41:17am

re: #248 Sergey Romanov

It's OK, it's his day off. ;-)

Hahaha. I figured since he's just a Looney Tunes version of a slasher, then he can't be THAT dangerous.

255 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:42:11am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Morning!

I suspect everybody's trying to stay warm.
You've got sneaux.
We've got temps in the low 20's, unheard of! My heater can't keep up. My daughter is in her bathroom reading a book with a space heater on. Too cold in the house. Brrr!

Sneaux—OMG I love that!! Hahahahaha.

256 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:42:41am

re: #253 Shropshire_Slasher

All three of us

In the days before Mandy left there could be a well-balanced brawl.

257 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:43:06am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

Hahaha. I figured since he's just a Looney Tunes version of a slasher, then he can't be THAT dangerous.

Maybe he's a Holmes x Moriarty kind of slasher. Just sayin'. ;-)

258 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:44:25am

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Weird week between the holidays and the weather. For a while this was a time when conservative Lizards held sway.

Yeah, I'm kinda-sorta off all week—very light work.

I remember the old crew. I used to avoid this place like the plague in the AM.

259 reine.de.tout  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:45:09am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Hope you brought the plants and 'gators indoors.

All except the feral cat who took up residence in the attic of our carport over the summer. I put a box with some old blankets in it up there - I hope he's OK. Gawd, I feel so sorry for the animals when the weather gets like this.

260 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:49:11am

re: #259 reine.de.tout

We've got a large hibiscus blooming in the garage right now. I roll it out to the sun most days and pull it back at night.

261 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:50:47am

re: #254 CuriousLurker
Only if you're a wrascally wrabbit.

262 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:52:13am

The AGW deniers do not understand that "climate change" means extremes of weather conditions at both ends of the spectrum.

263 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:58:34am

My cats are demanding breakfast and I have some emails to attend to, so I guess I'm outta here for now. Stay warm! BBL

264 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 5:58:51am

re: #262 Alouette
You're preaching to the choir.

265 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:01:58am

re: #264 Shropshire_Slasher

You're preaching to the choir.

One thing I noticed on my last visit to NYC was a lot of the taxis are hybrids. That has to be a good thing.

266 Decatur Deb  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:03:41am

BBL

267 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:23:42am

re: #265 Alouette

One thing I noticed on my last visit to NYC was a lot of the taxis are hybrids. That has to be a good thing.

The City is mandating that new taxis added to the fleet must meet higher MPG requirements. The next generation taxis that are being considered must also meet higher MPG.

Some drivers have found that the hybrids aren't able to take the pounding as well as the Crown Vics, but others find that they're saving some money on gas. It's a mixed bag.

Of course, on a day like today, you'll be hard pressed to find any taxis on the road with everyone digging out from the massive snowstorm. We got about 2 feet (much higher drifts) in my corner of NJ.

268 kirkspencer  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:26:17am

re: #81 Gus 802

That would be programed into the system. Much like robotic medical doctors and surgery of the future. The same as robots have replaced industrial craftsman.

"I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

While that was about porn it also applies to art and a number of other human interactions in which human taste is a factor. And as long as it can't be defined, the robots can't do it.

Now they can do the grunt work. They can let a person without the years of learning the grunt work bring their inspiration to others much more easily. But for the foreseeable future they can't cross that particular line.

And when they do we'll probably need to be discussing whether AIs are People.

269 KayInMaine  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:26:39am

Jon Stewart is the man!

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:29:21am

Gonna try out Hiren's BootCD now. It's WinPE-based and contains freeware and shareware apps, but the best thing is that it can be easily installed on a USB stick.

271 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:31:21am

re: #267 lawhawk

The City is mandating that new taxis added to the fleet must meet higher MPG requirements. The next generation taxis that are being considered must also meet higher MPG.

Some drivers have found that the hybrids aren't able to take the pounding as well as the Crown Vics, but others find that they're saving some money on gas. It's a mixed bag.

Of course, on a day like today, you'll be hard pressed to find any taxis on the road with everyone digging out from the massive snowstorm. We got about 2 feet (much higher drifts) in my corner of NJ.

Crown Vics run on ethanol and natural gas, although I think ethanol is a really, really stupid idea. Food should not be used for fuel.

272 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:33:43am

re: #271 Alouette

Ethanol isn't bad if you're making it from algae or some other fast-growing plant. Doing it from traditional foodstuffs is, indeed, really stupid.

273 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:53:44am

Hope every one a great Christmas!
We're bracing foe the next round of snow...ETA Wed..
I can't wait...//

274 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:55:39am

re: #273 reloadingisnotahobby

You can have some of our snow...

275 Obdicut  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 6:57:03am

Fooey. My wife is stuck out in the Midwest. All flights are canceled.

Oh well. One more day to watch movies she hates.

276 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:01:02am

re: #275 Obdicut

Fooey. My wife is stuck out in the Midwest. All flights are canceled.

Oh well. One more day to watch movies she hates.

Fess up!
You're sitting there watching Chick-Flicks, Oprah and Soap Operas that you don't want HER to know you enjoy!!

//

277 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:03:42am

re: #274 lawhawk
Your too kind!!
NYC has a hell of a time finding somewhere to PUT the snow..right?
Do haul it to a port and dump it in the Hudson?

278 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:05:40am

re: #277 reloadingisnotahobby

Your too kind!!
NYC has a hell of a time finding somewhere to PUT the snow..right?
Do haul it to a port and dump it in the Hudson?

Nahh

They package it and sell it to tourists!

279 lawhawk  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:06:50am

re: #277 reloadingisnotahobby

In Manhattan they will sometimes dump the snow in the rivers. Or, they'll use these massive snow melters - particularly in Lower Manhattan and around Times Square. Around the rest of the area? They haul it off to unused parking lots or just pile it up on the sides of the road. If you've parked on the streets, you're pretty much screwed - you'll be plowed in (if the plows have managed to get through).

280 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:06:57am

It's obvious my brain is not connected to my fingers today...
,,,I'm canceling the three brain surgeries I had scheduled for the day!!
Better safe than SUED!!!

281 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:08:45am

re: #280 reloadingisnotahobby

It's obvious my brain is not connected to my fingers today...
,,,I'm canceling the three brain surgeries I had scheduled for the day!!
Better safe than SUED!!!

heh

Just by process of elimination, somewhere in America is THE worst surgeon
Someone has an appointment with him/her today!

282 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:09:10am

re: #278 sattv4u2

That's REAL snow in the Globes??
COOL!

283 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:15:16am

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Morning!

I suspect everybody's trying to stay warm.
You've got sneaux.
We've got temps in the low 20's, unheard of! My heater can't keep up. My daughter is in her bathroom reading a book with a space heater on. Too cold in the house. Brrr!


Wear your bathrobes backwards
Pretend they're "Snuggies"

((seems to work on the commercials!!))

284 compound idaho  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:15:50am

re: #281 sattv4u2

heh

Just by process of elimination, somewhere in America is THE worst surgeon
Someone has an appointment with him/her today!

Here is a riddle for you.

What do you call the doctor that finished last in his graduating class?

"doctor"

285 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:16:09am

re: #281 sattv4u2

I feel very lucky then ...
On the 14th of Jan.... I'll go under General Anesthesia for the..ah...
Give me sec...ah...20th time!
My luck must be getting thin........!

286 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:17:43am

re: #284 compound idaho

Here is a riddle for you.

What do you call the doctor that finished last in his graduating class?

"doctor"

EGGS Zaccly!

287 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:18:01am

...."Shysters are bad Lawyers....I'm a QUACK"!!

288 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:18:02am

re: #285 reloadingisnotahobby

I feel very lucky then ...
On the 14th of Jan... I'll go under General Anesthesia for the..ah...
Give me sec...ah...20th time!
My luck must be getting thin...!

Holy Schniekies!

289 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:25:44am

re: #284 compound idaho

Here is a riddle for you.

What do you call the doctor that finished last in his graduating class?

"doctor"


I would hope....a "Veterinarian"!

290 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:29:36am

re: #289 reloadingisnotahobby

I would hope...a "Veterinarian"!

I would hope,, "Another Profession,,,preferably one that does NOT include sharp instruments!"

291 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:31:18am

Some photos from a large Moscow airport Domodedovo, where electricity has been cut out:

[Link: brodjaga-ann.livejournal.com...]

292 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:32:23am

re: #290 sattv4u2
We have a "Doctor" here who is so shitty...his son admits entering the
profession to make amends....no kidding!

293 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:35:34am

re: #291 Sergey Romanov

I can't read the comments!!
Gaaah!

294 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:37:13am

re: #293 reloadingisnotahobby

I can't read the comments!!
Gaaah!

Translation

Boris
"what the F*CK"

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:38:21am

re: #293 reloadingisnotahobby

I can't read the comments!!
Gaaah!

Nothing interesting. Basically, what satt said :-)

296 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:38:34am

re: #293 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #294 sattv4u2

Translation

Boris"what the F*CK"

Natasia
"We must find moose and squirrel!"

297 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:39:55am

re: #262 Alouette

The AGW deniers do not understand that "climate change" means extremes of weather conditions at both ends of the spectrum.

convenient eh?....how do they do that statistically?

298 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:40:42am

re: #292 reloadingisnotahobby

We have a "Doctor" here who is so shitty...his son admits entering the
profession to make amends...no kidding!

Is this him!?!?
[Link: www.google.com...]

299 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:40:42am

re: #296 sattv4u2

...hard to roll the "R" s isn't it?
..Darrrrrlink!

300 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:43:05am

re: #299 reloadingisnotahobby

...hard to roll the "R" s isn't it?
..Darrrlink!

You just have to buy the better rolling papers!

301 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:43:23am

re: #291 Sergey Romanov

Some photos from a large Moscow airport Domodedovo, where electricity has been cut out:

[Link: brodjaga-ann.livejournal.com...]

That could never happen in an American Airport!!!
....THOSE ARE OPEN FLAMES IN THE CANDLES!!!
///

302 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:46:24am

I'm going to go find something to do...
Or today is going to be a veeeerry long day!
Later!

303 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:47:36am

re: #302 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm going to go find something to do...
Or today is going to be a veeerry long day!
Later!

I have found that if I do nothing or if I do a boatload of stuff the day is 24 hours!

304 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:52:04am

re: #303 sattv4u2

...why do even try to talk to you about my feelings....WHY??
LOL

305 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:54:10am

84 year old Hef marries a 23 year old...wow
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

306 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:55:28am

re: #305 albusteve

84 year old Hef marries a 23 year old...wow
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

Heh.

"I gave Marston & Cooper every issue of Playboy (1953-2010) on a searchable external hard drive for Christmas. A really cool gift."
307 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:58:57am

a decent shorthand explanation of blistering cold, more snow and Global Warming...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

308 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 7:59:17am

re: #305 albusteve

84 year old Hef marries a 23 year old...wow
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

Ah
He's going for older women now, I see!

309 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:07:11am

re: #305 albusteve

84 year old Hef marries a 23 year old...wow
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]

I just threw up in my mouth.

310 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:08:45am

go Hef!
GET SOME!

311 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:13:07am

re: #309 Alouette

I just threw up in my mouth.

NOTE TO SELF

Do NOT offer a "hello" kiss to Alouette until verification of tooth brushing and/ or mouth wash!

312 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:14:14am

re: #310 albusteve

go Hef!
GET SOME!

At his age, the next "stiffy" his new wife will see is when he's enbalmed!

313 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:15:04am

re: #312 sattv4u2

At his age, the next "stiffy" his new wife will see is when he's enbalmed!

groaner

314 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:15:50am

dammit

The deer are at the back fence
I'll bet my son forgot to put the deer corn out yesterday in the clearing before he went over to hios friends for the night

315 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:16:13am

re: #313 albusteve

grBoaner

huh!?!?

316 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:18:05am

re: #311 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF

Do NOT offer a "hello" kiss to Alouette until verification of tooth brushing and/ or mouth wash!

Meh.

THIS is scary.

Image: 42-15240306.jpg

Image: breznev_honecker_kissing.jpg

317 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:18:15am

re: #314 sattv4u2
Mmmm sounds delicious.

318 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:20:29am

some scuttlebutt regarding immigration reform and the new congress....
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

Arrests of illegal workers at job sites are down, however, as the Obama administration focuses resources on fining and prosecuting employers who knowingly hire illegal workers. The goal is to reduce the demand for illegal labor.

Smith plans to attack Obama's enforcement strategy. His staff is preparing to hold hearings to encourage more workplace raids and to investigate allegations that Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials manipulated numbers to inflate the department's criminal deportation statistics.

319 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:21:01am

re: #317 Shropshire_Slasher

Mmmm sounds delicious.

Nahh

There are so many around here that if/when I want some venison I just have to drive and look for fresh roadkill

Past my fence (still withing my property) we found a "family". A couple of times a week we go and spread some feed for them

320 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:21:21am

re: #311 sattv4u2

Who says I would want to kiss you anyway?

321 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:22:49am

re: #316 Sergey Romanov

Meh.

THIS is scary.

Image: 42-15240306.jpg

Image: breznev_honecker_kissing.jpg

I don't even want to see the photos from the second date!

322 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:27:00am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Nahh

There are so many around here that if/when I want some venison I just have to drive and look for fresh roadkill

Past my fence (still withing my property) we found a "family". A couple of times a week we go and spread some feed for them

you sure that's a good idea?....reinforcing their ability to feed on an unnatural food source?...consider if only the healthiest deer were fed

323 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:30:25am

BO hits the campaign trail

President Obama will spend more time outside of Washington, D.C. next year engaging with the public, according to a top White House adviser and close friend of the president.

One year before Obama faces reelection, he is expected to make a greater effort to connect with potential voters after facing charges being too aloof during his first two years in the Oval Office.

324 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:30:48am

re: #323 albusteve

[Link: thehill.com...]

325 darthstar  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:32:48am

re: #324 albusteve

[Link: thehill.com...]

Poor guy. He gets criticized for spending too much time at work trying to fix the fuck-ups of the previous administration, and now he'll get grilled for getting back out and listening to the American people.

It ain't easy being a black president.

326 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:36:31am

Quadriplegic’s progress called “phenomenal”
Orr was at the Naples office of Dr. Sannas Grekos when we talked last week. This was the first checkup since the treatment — and both doctor and patient were over-the-top excited about what was taking place.

awesome story....just consider this man's situation for a second

[Link: napervillesun.suntimes.com...]

327 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:37:35am

re: #325 darthstar

Poor guy. He gets criticized for spending too much time at work trying to fix the fuck-ups of the previous administration, and now he'll get grilled for getting back out and listening to the American people.

It ain't easy being a black president.

black?...what's that got to do with anything?

328 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:37:40am

I see in the NY Post that Bristol Palin won $345k in Dancing with the Stars and paid cash for a home ($172k) in Arizona. I hope she pays her taxes this year!!!

329 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:40:06am

re: #328 Shropshire_Slasher

I see in the NY Post that Bristol Palin won $345k in Dancing with the Stars and paid cash for a home ($172k) in Arizona. I hope she pays her taxes this year!!!

She could hire Giethner as her tax advisor
Or Rangle
Or ,,,

330 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:42:03am

another blockade buster headed for Gaza...gonna smash their way through this time, doncha know!
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

331 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:43:55am

re: #329 sattv4u2

She could hire Giethner as her tax advisor
Or Rangle
Or ,,,

No.
Better to hire the accountants at Exxon.
They got them out of paying any income tax at all in 2009.

332 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:44:18am

Drudge has got a nice rundown of the storm.

333 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:47:04am

re: #332 Shropshire_Slasher

Drudge has got a nice rundown of the storm.

A Marxist conspiracy?

334 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:47:05am

re: #331 Varek Raith

No.
Better to hire the accountants at Exxon.
They got them out of paying any income tax at all in 2009.

Difference being

Exxon did it legally (followed the existing US tax codes)

Geithner and Rangle,.,,,,not so much

Have a beef with Exxons "non"-payment.. work to change said tax codes!

335 Semper Fi  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:47:40am

re: #316 Sergey Romanov

Meh.

THIS is scary.

Image: 42-15240306.jpg

Image: breznev_honecker_kissing.jpg

I guess "high-five" hasn't caught on yet.

Good morning everyone. Just lurking and enjoying. I love this site.

336 darthstar  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:48:02am

re: #327 albusteve

black?...what's that got to do with anything?

Everything, if you pay attention.

337 darthstar  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:48:22am

Time to go pack the car for Tahoe...have a good day everyone.

338 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:49:13am

celebrating mental disease....nom nom

A New Jersey woman who hopes to become the fattest woman in the world got 30,000 calories closer to her 1,000lb goal with a festive feast that could have fed dozens of revellers.

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

339 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:49:16am

re: #334 sattv4u2

Difference being

Exxon did it legally (followed the existing US tax codes)

Geithner and Rangle,.,,,not so much

Have a beef with Exxons "non"-payment.. work to change said tax codes!

The GOP blocks any and all efforts to fix loopholes in the tax code.
Wonder why.
:P

340 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:49:55am

re: #339 Varek Raith

The GOP blocks any and all efforts to fix loopholes in the tax code.
Wonder why.
:P

hahaha

HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

Thanks,, I needed that laugh

341 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:49:59am

re: #338 albusteve

celebrating mental disease...nom nom

A New Jersey woman who hopes to become the fattest woman in the world got 30,000 calories closer to her 1,000lb goal with a festive feast that could have fed dozens of revellers.

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

WTF.
WTF.
WTF.
I don't feel well now.

342 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:50:44am

re: #340 sattv4u2

hahaha

HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

Thanks,, I needed that laugh

Thanks for making me laugh.
:P

343 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:50:48am

re: #336 darthstar

Everything, if you pay attention.

no, you pay attention...to your own needless slant on race

344 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:51:07am

re: #338 albusteve

celebrating mental disease...nom nom

A New Jersey woman who hopes to become the fattest woman in the world got 30,000 calories closer to her 1,000lb goal with a festive feast that could have fed dozens of revellers.

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

She probably won't live long, and that's entirely on her. Meh.

345 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:51:25am

And on that note, time to go pay some bills and buy some cheap after Christmas yard decorations

346 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:51:44am

re: #339 Varek Raith

The GOP blocks any and all efforts to fix loopholes in the tax code.
Wonder why.
:P

show some proof...anything?

347 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:53:50am

re: #346 albusteve

show some proof...anything?

C'Mon Steve

You know as well as I do since the inception of the personal income tax it's only been the GOP that has mucked it up, confused it and added too it!
No matter who was in the White House ,, no matter who had majorities in Congress,,,

348 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:57:12am

nukes to the rescue!

SCOTLAND'S wind farms are unable to cope with the freezing weather conditions – grinding to a halt at a time when electricity demand is at a peak, forcing the country to rely on power generated by French nuclear plants.

[Link: thescotsman.scotsman.com...]

349 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 8:59:04am

re: #347 sattv4u2

C'Mon Steve

You know as well as I do since the inception of the personal income tax it's only been the GOP that has mucked it up, confused it and added too it!
No matter who was in the White House ,, no matter who had majorities in Congress,,,

I did not know that....utterly fantastic!...and all those ultra rich democrats working their tails off for reform....heroic!

350 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:04:02am

Dammit my salad froze, I'll suffer thru it though.

351 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:06:49am

Fire in the hole!

Attention Cathie Black: After 13 Years in 'Rubber Room,' Accused NYC Molester Makes $97,101

Officially known as "reassignment centers," the New York City Department of Education sticks teachers accused of misconduct into "rubber rooms," where they wait, paid and with no responsibility other than to show up, until their cases are resolved. This particular bureaucratic nightmare has been the subject of countless reports, including an extensive examination in The New Yorker, and an entire documentary featured on This American Life. But today's New York Post features one particularly maddening story: Roland Pierre, 75, makes $97,101 a year. Rubber rooms used to be the problem of Joel Klein, the city's schools chancellor, but there's a new woman in charge. Let's hope she read today's paper.

Pierre was "permanently removed from the classroom" for allegedly inviting a sixth-grade girl into an empty classroom at PS 138 and molesting her. That was in 1997. Thirteen years later, the charges have been dropped and "a DOE disciplinary case was 'dropped on a technicality.'" But despite the shady details of the criminal case, the real crime is in dollars and cents:

The DOE has no required retirement age. Hired in 1986, Pierre could have retired at age 62. At his age, he can collect Social Security as well as his full salary, so his income may be close to $125,000 a year, sources said.

Continues.

Incidentally, that's a Village Voice link.

352 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:10:41am

re: #351 Gus 802

Fire in the hole!

Attention Cathie Black: After 13 Years in 'Rubber Room,' Accused NYC Molester Makes $97,101

Incidentally, that's a Village Voice link.

Of course, after a careful reading above, please notice that the "charges were dropped." I say that this man was wrongly removed from his position and put through hell for 13 years, probably unable to find any other employment if he wanted (considering the charges).

He deserves much more than he's getting.

353 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:11:13am

re: #351 Gus 802

Fire in the hole!

Attention Cathie Black: After 13 Years in 'Rubber Room,' Accused NYC Molester Makes $97,101

Incidentally, that's a Village Voice link.

also it is interesting that the police were never involved...

354 researchok  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:11:59am

re: #351 Gus 802

Fire in the hole!

Attention Cathie Black: After 13 Years in 'Rubber Room,' Accused NYC Molester Makes $97,101

Incidentally, that's a Village Voice link.

I wonder if he'll sue the school board, now that charges were dropped 'on a technicality'.

The Golden Goose and all that.

355 researchok  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:12:30am

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

Of course, after a careful reading above, please notice that the "charges were dropped." I say that this man was wrongly removed from his position and put through hell for 13 years, probably unable to find any other employment if he wanted (considering the charges).

He deserves much more than he's getting.

I can see it coming from here...

356 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:13:03am

"Some would be tried in federal courts, as we've seen done in the past. Some would be tried in military commissions, likely spending the rest of their lives in a maximum-security prison that nobody, including terrorists, have ever escaped from. Some, regrettably, will have to be indefinitely detained," Gibbs said in an interview aired Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union," describing Obama's beleaguered plan for closing Guantanamo.

what is Gibbs lamenting?....that his admin has no clue and cannot make a decision?....I don't get it, but I do think that BO should be embarrassed with his promises and exec order etc....he should fire Holder for this Gitmo thing alone....wasn't BOs thing con law?

[Link: www.politico.com...]

357 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:13:29am

re: #328 Shropshire_Slasher

I see in the NY Post that Bristol Palin won $345k in Dancing with the Stars and paid cash for a home ($172k) in Arizona. I hope she pays her taxes this year!!!

Maybe she wants to get out of Alaska.

358 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:13:43am

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

Of course, after a careful reading above, please notice that the "charges were dropped." I say that this man was wrongly removed from his position and put through hell for 13 years, probably unable to find any other employment if he wanted (considering the charges).

He deserves much more than he's getting.

The DOE disciplinary case was dropped. He never faced any criminal charges because he was no doubt protected from that -- which is not uncommon.

359 Flounder  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:14:00am

I may get down-dinged, but I enjoyed this article:
[Link: www.investors.com...]

360 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:16:16am

re: #351 Gus 802

Fire in the hole!

Attention Cathie Black: After 13 Years in 'Rubber Room,' Accused NYC Molester Makes $97,101

Incidentally, that's a Village Voice link.

A particularly noxious event. May I please blame the union this time (at least partially)?

361 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:16:43am

re: #358 Gus 802

The DOE disciplinary case was dropped. He never faced any criminal charges because he was no doubt protected from that -- which is not uncommon.

Oops. I guess the criminal charges were also dismissed.

First he wrapped the girl in a "bear hug," according to a statement by then-schools investigator Ed Stancik. "He then kissed her on the mouth, inserted his tongue in her mouth, fondled her chest and reached under her skirt."

362 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:18:25am

re: #359 Shropshire_Slasher

I may get down-dinged, but I enjoyed this article:
[Link: www.investors.com...]

Ludwig, thou shouldst be posting at this hour! LGF has need of thee!

/With apologies to William Wordsworth

363 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:19:43am

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

Ludwig, thou shouldst be posting at this hour! LGF has need of thee!

/With apologies to William Wordsworth

is there more to be said?...is that possible?

364 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:20:12am

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

Ludwig, thou shouldst be posting at this hour! LGF has need of thee!

/With apologies to William Wordsworth

Do you have some hard on for Ludwig or something... you mention him 4 or 5 times a day?

365 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:20:13am

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

A particularly noxious event. May I please blame the union this time (at least partially)?

You have my permission. ;) It's a load of bullshit if I ever saw one.

In NYC if you're a bus driver and get spit in the face during work you can also take 64 days off.

That's a New York Times link BTW. ;)

Where' my violin?

366 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:25:13am

re: #364 Walter L. Newton

Do you have some hard on for Ludwig or something... you mention him 4 or 5 times a day?

No, and it might per week, not per day. I do miss him Walter, and I'd like him to return. That's all. I feel there's a case to be made against that IBD article, but I don't know how to make it.

367 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:26:50am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

No, and it might per week, not per day. I do miss him Walter, and I'd like him to return. That's all. I feel there's a case to be made against that IBD article, but I don't know how to make it.

search the archives....it's all there

368 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:29:12am

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Maybe she wants to get out of Alaska.

I would to.
Too cold.

369 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:31:03am

re: #359 Shropshire_Slasher

I may get down-dinged, but I enjoyed this article:
[Link: www.investors.com...]

Happy to oblige. ;)

So a cold spell in winter is proof that global warming isn't happening?
So... a heat wave in summer is proof that it is?
Weather does not equal climate.

370 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:33:04am

I'm hungry.

371 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:33:44am

re: #370 Gus 802

I'm hungry.

food is for sissies...eat some leaves

372 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:34:13am

re: #371 albusteve

food is for sissies...eat some leaves

Or maybe a cardboard stew.

373 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:34:26am

Well, it seems the silly overreaction to winter weather is not just relegated to the American press...

Les Etats-Unis toujours paralysés par la neige

[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]

Anyone out there paralyzed? Stupid bullshit.

374 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:34:56am

re: #371 albusteve

food is for sissies...eat some leaves

arugila?

375 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:35:21am

re: #371 albusteve

food is for sissies...eat some leaves

Real men eat bugs.

376 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:35:54am

re: #374 brookly red

arugila?

Hey Brookly... are you paralyzed?

377 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:36:00am

re: #375 Varek Raith

Real men eat bugs.

Real, real men eat compost.

378 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:36:13am

re: #376 Walter L. Newton

Hey Brookly... are you paralyzed?

no just real lazy...

379 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:36:16am

re: #375 Varek Raith

Real men eat bugs.

Without mustard.

380 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:36:30am

re: #359 Shropshire_Slasher

Shame on IBD espousing hollow canards. My IQ dropped as I read it.

381 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:36:32am

re: #373 Walter L. Newton

Well, it seems the silly overreaction to winter weather is not just relegated to the American press...

Les Etats-Unis toujours paralysés par la neige

[Link: www.lemonde.fr...]

Anyone out there paralyzed? Stupid bullshit.

You live on a mountain.
Us sea-level lubbers can't deal with a few inches of snow.
;)

382 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:36:47am

re: #375 Varek Raith

Real men eat bugs.

shrimp, crabs, lobster... all bug like.

383 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:37:42am

re: #372 Gus 802

Or maybe a cardboard stew.

yeah...you got it
I used to tell my small kids, whenever the wanted McDonalds, that the were heirs of D Boone and he ate twigs and leaves without complaint....not sure what the effect was, but I got my hoot from it....and btw, they were adults before they realized they were indeed not any relation to Dan

384 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:38:20am

re: #379 Walter L. Newton

Without mustard.

raw

385 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:38:32am

re: #381 Varek Raith

You live on a mountain.
Us sea-level lubbers can't deal with a few inches of snow.
;)

Actually I don't. I live in the Rocky Mountain foothills. I'm at 8200 feet. A mountain is classified at 10,000 feet and higher. Damn... these hills around here certainly look like mountains. They have cliffs, and rocky uplifts, canyons and crevices, rock slides...

386 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:38:48am

We ate bugs in Boy Scouts.
Om nom nom.

387 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:39:07am

re: #380 BigPapa

Shame on IBD espousing hollow canards. My IQ dropped as I read it.

Well, here's a good IBD article:

ObamaCare Rationing Begins

Medicine: The FDA has reversed its approval of a widely used cancer drug approved in Europe to treat breast cancer on the grounds it doesn't provide a "sufficient" benefit. Let the terminally ill and their doctors decide.

One of the blessings of blocking the omnibus spending bill was that it included $1 billion for the implementation of ObamaCare.

Yet the first effects are still being felt, the latest being the Food and Drug Administration's revoking of regulatory approval of Avastin to treat late-stage breast cancer.

The reason given by the FDA was that the drug does not provide "a sufficient benefit in slowing disease progression to outweigh the significant risk to patients." What risk? These women are dying.

The drug buys them precious time, and the only risk they face is from an FDA saying "pull the plug."

On the same day the FDA channeled Dr. Kevorkian, its European counterpart, the European Medicines Agency, issued a statement approving Avastin for metastatic breast cancer.

Benefits of the drug, it said, "continue to outweigh the risks, because the available data have overwhelmingly shown to prolong progression-free survival of breast cancer patients without a negative effect on the overall survival."

So what say you, FDA? An agency overseeing the cost-conscious, government-run health care systems in the European Union says Avastin does provide sufficient benefit at little risk to the patient.

The annual cost, however, is a staggering $88,000 annually, and under ObamaCare cost trumps medical care. A prime decision is whether extending your life is worth the cost.

Consider that every year some 17,500 American women are prescribed Avastin by their practicing oncologists to treat their condition and prolong their life. Last October, the U.S. National Comprehensive Cancer Network, a group of 21 leading cancer centers that issues evidence-based medical guidelines, reaffirmed Avastin's efficacy in certain cases.

SNIP

388 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:39:37am

re: #385 Walter L. Newton

Actually I don't. I live in the Rocky Mountain foothills. I'm at 8200 feet. A mountain is classified at 10,000 feet and higher. Damn... these hills around here certainly look like mountains. They have cliffs, and rocky uplifts, canyons and crevices, rock slides...

That's one hell of a hill!
Here, a hill is 20 feet high. At the most.
:)

389 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:39:53am

re: #382 brookly red

shrimp, crabs, lobster... all bug like.

A man after my own heart. I keep telling people that those things are simply sea bugs... turn a crab upside down on it's back... turn a spider upside down on it's back... get my drift?

390 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:41:14am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

A man after my own heart. I keep telling people that those things are simply sea bugs... turn a crab upside down on it's back... turn a spider upside down on it's back... get my drift?

yup... I like to steam em first though.

391 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:41:48am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

A man after my own heart. I keep telling people that those things are simply sea bugs... turn a crab upside down on it's back... turn a spider upside down on it's back... get my drift?

Giant crab.
Image: japanese-giant-crab.jpg
It's a freaking spider with claws!

392 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:43:38am

re: #390 brookly red

yup... I like to steam em first though.

You missed my point... yuk... I can't stand them.

393 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:43:54am

re: #391 Varek Raith

Giant crab.
Image: japanese-giant-crab.jpg
It's a freaking spider with claws!

a very tasty spider...

394 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:44:17am

re: #390 brookly red

yup... I like to steam em first though.

jerked lobster is out of this world...conversely, it's an overpriced bust

395 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:44:34am

re: #392 Walter L. Newton

You missed my point... yuk... I can't stand them.

more for me...

396 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:45:16am

re: #393 brookly red

a very tasty spider...

Yeah, until giant momma spider crab with claws comes out of the ocean and noms you.
/

397 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:45:46am

re: #394 albusteve

jerked lobster is out of this world...conversely, it's an overpriced bust

never had it :(...
jerked crabs yes!

398 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:47:03am

re: #394 albusteve

jerked lobster is out of this world...conversely, it's an overpriced bust

I'm gathering that they use Spiny Lobster from the Caribbean for that, rather than Maine Lobster.

399 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:48:38am

re: #396 Varek Raith

Yeah, until giant momma spider crab with claws comes out of the ocean and noms you get mobbed by Japanese tourists .
/

400 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:49:58am

as for AGW....the number or lack of hurricanes, and the freezing, record setting snowfalls make it extremely difficult for science to reconcile with the average guy out there....having it both ways and the facts to prove it just does not compute, and he may even feel insulted with the dichotomy....just my observation

401 Killgore Trout  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:51:27am

Material Point Method Demo
It's cooler than it sounds.

402 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:52:15am

re: #206 keithgabryelski

what bugs me are the dismissals and denials of the form

1) he's just a comedian.
2) anyone who gets their news for him is lacking.
3) he's not a journalist.

All of those are true and false at the same time.

He purports to just be a comedian, but have you seen comedians handle interviews as graciously and he? Watch his interviews (over the years) with John McCain, or Bill Kristol, or anyone that is politically in a different camp than he -- obviously there are exceptions: there was no "grace" when he went on crossfire and handed Tucker Carlson his own ass -- he's not a fan of Jonah Goldberg and he didn't handle that interview well (but, hey -- who is?)
In any case, I contend the nations, liberals in particular, has a lot to learn from his ability to see and internalize the views of the other side of the political spectrum.

I can't imagine someone watching John Stewart and NOT having the curiosity to get information from other sources.

What is journalism vs. simple punditry? The digging up of new information that others don't have and presenting it in a clear and unbiased fashion? TDS has a trundle of interns (trundle being the collective noun for interns, at least I just made it up so) whom scour the news for contrary and misinformation which is presented (albeit in the tone of humor) generally unvarnished (by unvarnished I mean, TDS doesn't generally doesn't attempt to paint someone with a view that isn't already theirs -- there is enough comedy in the things people believe rather than make up false positions to knock them down).

yeah, i have a lot of respect for John Stewart.

I said for years--I like the Daily Show because Jon Stewart makes the same face I did when I read the news. But his is funnier.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:53:25am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

Our school censored everything--our mail from home, the few library magazines, Sports Illustrated. They forgot about Lysistrata and Ars Amoris. Toga Porn!!!

I went through a big Aristophanes phase in high school.

404 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:53:25am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

I'm gathering that they use Spiny Lobster from the Caribbean for that, rather than Maine Lobster.

yes....tough, warm water bugs
another very tasty treat is jerked barracuda, which is a priceless delicacy in Jamaica, being hard to come by in the first place...I have never tasted any fish like it, jerked, steamed or the traditional favorite, Rundown, which is a stew...a kid with a 3 ft cuda is about richer than he'll ever be

405 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:54:01am

re: #402 SanFranciscoZionist

I think we all make the same face when we read the news...

406 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:57:09am

re: #404 albusteve

yes...tough, warm water bugs
another very tasty treat is jerked barracuda, which is a priceless delicacy in Jamaica, being hard to come by in the first place...I have never tasted any fish like it, jerked, steamed or the traditional favorite, Rundown, which is a stew...a kid with a 3 ft cuda is about richer than he'll ever be

Barracuda aren't that common anymore in the Caribbean and making a dish out of them is eating a fish that can kill you. A 6 foot cuda is quite capable of biting a human limb off.

407 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:57:53am

re: #404 albusteve

yes...tough, warm water bugs
another very tasty treat is jerked barracuda, which is a priceless delicacy in Jamaica, being hard to come by in the first place...I have never tasted any fish like it, jerked, steamed or the traditional favorite, Rundown, which is a stew...a kid with a 3 ft cuda is about richer than he'll ever be

btw, there is a place about 4 blocks from here that sells johnnie cakes stuffed with salt fish for 2 bucks each...

408 dmon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 9:58:16am

I had of course heard the story of Edward R Murrow taking Mcarthy to the woodshed, but had never actually watched the film. I spent some time this morning watching Murrow take him on.....it was like something foreign....... Murrow calmly pointed out the facts...... you could tell he understood that he tremendous influence over his viewers, but it was distasteful for him to use it.....

409 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:00:07am

re: #330 albusteve

another blockade buster headed for Gaza...gonna smash their way through this time, doncha know!
[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Oh, GREAT.

410 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:00:10am

re: #408 dmon

I had of course heard the story of Edward R Murrow taking Mcarthy to the woodshed, but had never actually watched the film. I spent some time this morning watching Murrow take him on...it was like something foreign... Murrow calmly pointed out the facts... you could tell he understood that he tremendous influence over his viewers, but it was distasteful for him to use it...

He believed in letting the viewers use their own judgment, the exact opposite of Glenn Beck.

411 dmon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:01:22am

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

He also was reporting the news because he loved journalism......... not because he could get on TV and say...."look at me!!"

412 Kronocide  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:01:28am

re: #400 albusteve

as for AGW...the number or lack of hurricanes, and the freezing, record setting snowfalls make it extremely difficult for science to reconcile with the average guy out there...having it both ways and the facts to prove it just does not compute, and he may even feel insulted with the dichotomy...just my observation

How about a simple picture for those poor rubes who can't understand all that snow.

413 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:01:32am

re: #407 brookly red

btw, there is a place about 4 blocks from here that sells johnnie cakes stuffed with salt fish for 2 bucks each...

saltfish is a breakfast staple in the Caribbean, served with akee, which cooks down to resemble and taste like, scrambled eggs....akee is a vegetable that grows on a tree with toxic seeds...grows wild all over Jamaica, same for breadfruit

414 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:01:41am

re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, GREAT.

Aww...
Their ship looks so cute!
Shame if something were to happen to it.

415 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:03:04am

US slams Russia for Khodorkovsky verdict

[Link: www.google.com...]

WASHINGTON — The guilty verdict brought against Russian tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky will have a "negative impact on Russia's reputation," US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday.

The chief US diplomat said in a statement that Khodorkovsky's conviction in his second fraud trial "raises serious questions about selective prosecution -- and about the rule of law being overshadowed by political considerations."

Good, but ultimately impotent after the US selective prosecution and rule of law overshadowed by political considerations. Which is one of the main reasons I spit on Bush's merry gang and frown on Obama's "let's forget all this" stance. Wait for the Russian MID's angry tu quoque response.

416 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:03:36am

re: #413 albusteve

saltfish is a breakfast staple in the Caribbean, served with akee, which cooks down to resemble and taste like, scrambled eggs...akee is a vegetable that grows on a tree with toxic seeds...grows wild all over Jamaica, same for breadfruit

we have a lot of Caribbeans in Bklyn... some of the food is outstanding!

417 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:04:18am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Aww...
Their ship looks so cute!
Shame if something were to happen to it.

Don't people know how to properly break blockades anymore?
Yarrr.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:04:46am

re: #369 Varek Raith

Happy to oblige. ;)

So a cold spell in winter is proof that global warming isn't happening?
So... a heat wave in summer is proof that it is?
Weather does not equal climate.

I also like the suggestion that people have been told it will never, never be cold in winter again. No one said that, except those setting up fake conditions so they can knock them down.

419 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:04:49am

BBL

420 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:05:31am

re: #415 Sergey Romanov

US slams Russia for Khodorkovsky verdict

[Link: www.google.com...]

Good, but ultimately impotent after the US selective prosecution and rule of law overshadowed by political considerations. Which is one of the main reasons I spit on Bush's merry gang and frown on Obama's "let's forget all this" stance. Wait for the Russian MID's angry tu quoque response.

Ha... another one of the evil rich class gets his just deserts.

421 Gus  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:06:13am

re: #415 Sergey Romanov

US slams Russia for Khodorkovsky verdict

[Link: www.google.com...]

Good, but ultimately impotent after the US selective prosecution and rule of law overshadowed by political considerations. Which is one of the main reasons I spit on Bush's merry gang and frown on Obama's "let's forget all this" stance. Wait for the Russian MID's angry tu quoque response.

Do you think the Obama administration has no "moral authority" because they refuse to investigate the Bush administration?

422 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:06:32am

re: #420 Walter L. Newton

I suppose this is one of your famous non-tagged sarcastic pronouncements ;-)

423 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:06:52am

re: #416 brookly red

we have a lot of Caribbeans in Bklyn... some of the food is outstanding!

by far more Jamaicans living away from Jamaica than otherwise, like 4-1....I love their food, but it can get boring and a bit rustic down there, away from the resorts and their 'cuisine'....chicken or fish?

424 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:07:01am

re: #421 Gus 802

Do you think the Obama administration has no "moral authority" because they refuse to investigate the Bush administration?

In such cases - no.

425 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:07:02am

re: #422 Sergey Romanov

I suppose this is one of your famous non-tagged sarcastic pronouncements ;-)

Nope.
Yes.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
:P

426 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:08:07am

re: #422 Sergey Romanov

I suppose this is one of your famous non-tagged sarcastic pronouncements ;-)

Catch the nuance?

427 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:08:39am

re: #425 Varek Raith

Nope.
Yes.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
:P

Did you say something?

428 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:09:35am

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Was that a hint or something? I confess I don't always understand your dry humor :)

429 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:10:17am

re: #423 albusteve

by far more Jamaicans living away from Jamaica than otherwise, like 4-1...I love their food, but it can get boring and a bit rustic down there, away from the resorts and their 'cuisine'...chicken or fish?

I'll have the baked sand shark please...

430 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:10:22am

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

Was that a hint or something? I confess I don't always understand your dry humor :)


Thats usually because he's all wet!

431 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:10:46am

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

Was that a hint or something? I confess I don't always understand your dry humor :)

Neither did my undertaker.

432 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:10:56am

re: #423 albusteve

by far more Jamaicans living away from Jamaica than otherwise, like 4-1...I love their food, but it can get boring and a bit rustic down there, away from the resorts and their 'cuisine'...chicken or fish?

Goat, mostly

433 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:13:14am

re: #428 Sergey Romanov

Was that a hint or something? I confess I don't always understand your dry humor :)

You'll get used to it...
Or have a psychotic breakdown.
Or both.
Or none.

434 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:15:02am

re: #433 Varek Raith

You'll get used to it...
Or have a psychotic breakdown.
Or both.
Or none.

I got used to it since I've been reading for a longer time than I've been registered. I usually get when Walter is not being serious, but his point is often lost (and not only on me, I guess, since people often respond seriously).

435 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:15:38am

happy Monday all?

I scanned the threads below.

Trophy Photo of Assange naked in bed????????

someone, please explain.

436 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:15:49am

re: #434 Sergey Romanov

I got used to it since I've been reading for a longer time than I've been registered. I usually get when Walter is not being serious, but his point is often lost (and not only on me, I guess, since people often respond seriously).

Then he has succeeded!

437 brookly red  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:16:49am

Wow... I live on an avenue so it has been plowed, but the drifts on the side streets are 4-5'... I think it is going to be a while before that gets cleared.

438 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:17:23am

re: #434 Sergey Romanov

I got used to it since I've been reading for a longer time than I've been registered. I usually get when Walter is not being serious, but his point is often lost (and not only on me, I guess, since people often respond seriously).

In person, my sarcasm is like that.
Many of my friends and family have no clue if I'm being dead serious or just messing with them.
It's fun.
XD

439 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:17:47am

re: #437 brookly red

Wow... I live on an avenue so it has been plowed, but the drifts on the side streets are 4-5'... I think it is going to be a while before that gets cleared.

It'll be fun when it's either a solid block of ice or a gray slushy mess!

440 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:18:05am

re: #436 sattv4u2

Then he has succeeded!

Example...


re: #61 Dark_Falcon

How do you tune a whoopee cushion?

You don't... you buy them from the factory already tuned. You can tweak the tuning a bit by slightly shaving the rubber near the opening, similar to using a file on the reed of a diatonic harmonica, to sharpen or flatten the sound... but in general, you have to go with the factory tuning.

Amazon sells a book of tunes you can play on a set of tuned whoopee cushions. It has full charts, special characters on the musical staff indicating when you sit down on the cushion to produce the note, pauses designed to enable you to blow a new supply of air into the cushion... very interesting musical arrangements.

The first whoopee cushion concert I ever saw was at a Baptist church, it was an Christmas pageant, all religious tunes.
cool.

(one of my better creations)

441 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:18:41am

re: #438 Varek Raith

In person, my sarcasm is like that.
Many of my friends and family have no clue if I'm being dead serious or just messing with them.
It's fun.
XD

Separating the wheat from the chafe? Excellent method.

442 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:18:51am

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

We're kindred spirits, you and I!

443 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #429 brookly red

I'll have the baked sand shark please...

shark, swordfish on the grill....mmmm
some tasty stuff there

444 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:19:30am

re: #441 ggt

Separating the wheat from the chafe? Excellent method.

chaff

pimf

445 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:19:54am

re: #437 brookly red

Wow... I live on an avenue so it has been plowed, but the drifts on the side streets are 4-5'... I think it is going to be a while before that gets cleared.

I remember in the 50's and early 60's having the snow plows in Brooklyn push up so much snow on the streets, that every parked car all down the street, on both sides, were totally covered in a mound of snow. All you could see was a solid 6 foot hight mound down both sides of the street, and 50 cars buried underneath,

446 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:20:10am

A propos of nothing: domesticated troll.

*ducks*

/

447 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:20:30am

re: #437 brookly red

Wow... I live on an avenue so it has been plowed, but the drifts on the side streets are 4-5'... I think it is going to be a while before that gets cleared.

When I was young, in Michigan, we made tunnels in those drifts. Excellent for snow ball fights. Much fun.

448 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:20:58am

re: #432 sattv4u2

Goat, mostly

lots of goat....party food for celebrations much of the time, altho curried goat is a dinner staple....I like goat

449 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:21:03am

re: #447 ggt

When I was young, in Michigan, we made tunnels in those drifts. Excellent for snow ball fights. Much fun.

We made forts. With snow chairs.
It was awesome.

450 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:21:27am

re: #443 albusteve

shark, swordfish on the grill...mmm
some tasty stuff there

I just LOVE fresh grilled Mahi Mahi

451 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:21:57am

re: #449 Varek Raith

We made forts. With snow chairs.
It was awesome.

It worked really well, until one Spring, Dad realized the drifts went over some bushes. WE had destroyed the bushes.

452 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:22:18am

re: #438 Varek Raith

In person, my sarcasm is like that.
Many of my friends and family have no clue if I'm being dead serious or just messing with them.
It's fun.
XD

At the store on Christmas Eve... I was asking customers... "You need anything else, stamp, ice, reindeer? We have a reindeer in the back room, been trying to sell him for days, getting pretty rank... may end up in the meat department."

Do you know how many ADULTS looked at me dead serious and said... "you're not going to hurt him are you?"

453 sattv4u2  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:23:54am

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

At the store on Christmas Eve... I was asking customers... "You need anything else, stamp, ice, reindeer? We have a reindeer in the back room, been trying to sell him for days, getting pretty rank... may end up in the meat department."

Do you know how many ADULTS looked at me dead serious and said... "you're not going to hurt him are you?"

Old staple of mine, but I like going into Whole Foods and at the seafood counter asking if they have an tuna free dolphin!

454 albusteve  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:24:26am

re: #447 ggt

When I was young, in Michigan, we made tunnels in those drifts. Excellent for snow ball fights. Much fun.

oh yeah...a hard packed road drift was a fortress....our would get so elaborate that the parents would cave them in....snowball wars were a standard activity...Kazoo

455 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:25:17am

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

At the store on Christmas Eve... I was asking customers... "You need anything else, stamp, ice, reindeer? We have a reindeer in the back room, been trying to sell him for days, getting pretty rank... may end up in the meat department."

Do you know how many ADULTS looked at me dead serious and said... "you're not going to hurt him are you?"

Bambi is good grilling. :)

456 Buck  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:29:25am

He wasn't alone. I am just sayin'.

“How Do They Sleep?” Shep Smith Blasts Congress Over 9/11 First Responders Bill.

A wonderful moment of pure outrage–and classic television–from Shepard Smith on Fox News Friday afternoon as he and Chris Wallace waited for President Obama’s tax cut signing ceremony.

Discussing the amount of money on “tax cuts for billionaires who don’t need them,” Smith railed against the very same lawmakers who somehow couldn’t get relief passed for 9/11 first responders.

How do they sleep at night after this vote on Ground Zero first responders from 9/11? Are they going to get that done, or are we going to leave these American heroes out there to twist in the wind?

Also see:

Rachel Maddow Hails Shep Smith Over 9/11 First Responders Bill (VIDEO)

Shep Smith Names Every GOPer Who Wouldn't Talk 9/11 Bill With Him ...

Video: Shepard Smith Gets Emotional After Passage Of 9/11 First ...

457 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 10:38:20am

re: #456 Buck

paraphrased:

"There were no warning labels that said the stuff in the air was toxic, and if there was, the first responders would have gone anyway"

Ok, that brings back memories and lots of tears.

458 Buck  Mon, Dec 27, 2010 11:12:59am

re: #452 Walter L. Newton

At the store on Christmas Eve... I was asking customers... "You need anything else, stamp, ice, reindeer? We have a reindeer in the back room, been trying to sell him for days, getting pretty rank... may end up in the meat department."

Do you know how many ADULTS looked at me dead serious and said... "you're not going to hurt him are you?"

Is this you Walter?

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