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1 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:57:00am

This is a great step forward for orange people everywhere.

And who says the GOP isn't a "big tent" party?

2 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:57:29am

Nice work Boner. Gonna cry now?

3 jc717  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:58:20am

Hat's off to him. It's amazing that someone with that last name could get elected dogcatcher, much less congressman and speaker.
I guess it's a better name than Limper, but still.

4 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:58:46am

Susan Boyle was playing in the background.

//

5 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:59:40am

let's just hope he makes a reasonable Speaker....there are enough friggin nuts running loose in DC

6 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:59:45am

Who said that the GOP isn't inclusive. They have the Oompa Loompa vote sealed with Boehner as Speaker. ////////

7 jaunte  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:00:05am
Boehner was formally nominated by Texas Rep. Jeb Hensarling, chairman of the GOP conference. Hensarling hailed Boehner's up-from-the-bootstraps life story, noting the Ohio lawmaker is one of 12 children and waited tables and mopped floors to get through college.

"He has lived the American dream and will protect it for our posterity," Hensarling said.[Link: content.usatoday.com...]


Bootstraps!

8 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:00:21am

re: #3 jc717

Hat's off to him. It's amazing that someone with that last name could get elected dogcatcher, much less congressman and speaker.
I guess it's a better name than Limper, but still.


Still better than Dick Swett...

9 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:00:37am

And now, may I present what we'll be hearing for the next two years:

10 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:00:50am

re: #6 lawhawk

Who said that the GOP isn't inclusive. They have the Oompa Loompa vote sealed with Boehner as Speaker. ///

heh...had to look it up...seems you're right

11 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:01:02am

re: #1 garhighway

This is a great step forward for orange people everywhere.

And who says the GOP isn't a "big tent" party?

I know we're supposed to judge a man by the content of his character, rather than the color of his skin, but I think there may be some wiggle room when the color of his skin is something he did to himself, rather than a matter of genes and such.

//OK, I should stop making fun of the man for being orange.

12 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:01:14am

We're Boehned...

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:01:56am

I think Boehner had himself bronzed for his first speech as Speaker.

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:02:09am

He's choking up.

15 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:02:22am

re: #9 publicityStunted

And now, may I present what we'll be hearing for the next two years:


[Video]

so you disagree with his rant?

16 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:02:34am

re: #14 Charles

He's choking up.

I'm gagging too...

17 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:02:53am

re: #14 Charles

He's choking up.

Again? Hmm.

18 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:03:14am

re: #14 Charles

He's choking up.

"I'm...so...happy...(SOB)"

19 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:02am

re: #14 Charles

He's choking up.

I think there are paramedics nearby if he needs to be intubated

20 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:08am

Well done, Nancy Pelosi.

Showing real class.

21 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:17am

Pelosi gave Boehner a kiss.

22 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:27am

re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"I'm...so...happy...(SOB)"

"And I'd like to thank all the democrats, if you hadn't been so awful when it came to running your campaigns this never would have happened!"

23 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:37am

re: #20 researchok

Well done, Nancy Pelosi.

Showing real class.

offering Kleenex?...how sweet of her

24 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:42am

Sure enough, he's weeping.

25 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:04:56am

re: #21 Gus 802

Pelosi gave Boehner a kiss.

tongue?

26 Four More Tears  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:05:02am

re: #21 Gus 802

Pelosi gave Boehner a kiss.

I will not make a dirty joke.

27 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:05:22am

re: #17 Gus 802

Again? Hmm.

I'll give him a pass.

TODAY ONLY.

28 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:06:00am

Boehner's wife is just as orange as he is. They must have a private tanning bed.

29 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:06:04am

re: #6 lawhawk

Who said that the GOP isn't inclusive. They have the Oompa Loompa vote sealed with Boehner as Speaker. ///

What do you do when your Speaker just cries?
Can't answer questions without little sighs?
That what you get for electing a fool,
Who cries like a baby and whose name is a tool.

30 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:07:07am

11 brothers and sisters and in laws.

No wonder he cries a lot. Poor guy has probably been beaten up his whole life.
/

31 krypto  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:07:14am

The two times I saw Boehner sobbing on TV, it was about his struggle to overcome his obstacles to live "the American dream,." Meanwhile he is leading the effort to do stuff like stopping sick people from having a means of paying their medical bills. If he is going to make such a display of sobbing in public, it might be more appropriate if it were about something a little less self-centered than his own personal struggle to become rich.

32 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:08:25am

Dust in the wind...

33 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:09:03am

Say what you will about Pelosi, but she at least had a natural skin tone and didn't collapse in tears at the drop of a hat.

Boehner is addicted to bronzing skin products and is reduced to tears by nearly everything. I don't have a homophobic boehn in my body, but did the GOP just elect the first gay Speaker of the House?

34 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:09:06am

re: #32 Gus 802

Dust in the wind...

inherit the wind

35 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:09:47am

re: #33 palomino

Say what you will about Pelosi, but she at least had a natural skin tone and didn't collapse in tears at the drop of a hat.

Boehner is addicted to bronzing skin products and is reduced to tears by nearly everything. I don't have a homophobic boehn in my body, but did the GOP just elect the first gay Speaker of the House?

blinky, the plastic plasmotron?

36 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:09:52am

re: #27 researchok

I'll give him a pass.

TODAY ONLY.

I personally think there's nothing wrong with a man being in touch with his emotions.

That said he should also think about being in touch with a good dermatologist, I hear you can get skin cancer from trying to hard to get a fake tan. BOOM ZING!

37 jaunte  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:09:58am

re: #33 palomino

Just fits in with the general trend toward hysteria.

38 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:10:59am

re: #37 jaunte

Just fits in with the general trend toward hysteria.

Are you calling Boehner a drama queen? How dare you?

39 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:11:11am

re: #36 jamesfirecat

I personally think there's nothing wrong with a man being in touch with his emotions.

That said he should also think about being in touch with a good dermatologist, I hear you can get skin cancer from trying to hard to get a fake tan. BOOM ZING!

it's quite likely it's natural....but I suppose he's a LYING! BASTARD!

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:11:44am

re: #13 Charles

I think Boehner had himself bronzed for his first speech as Speaker.

He doesn't look that bad in the photos I'm seeing. It used to be extreme. Now, I wouldn't really notice.

41 jaunte  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:11:48am

re: #39 albusteve

Well he is a golfer.

42 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:11:52am

re: #38 palomino

Are you calling Boehner a drama queen? How dare you?

yes, right after you called him gay

43 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:11:54am

re: #33 palomino

None of my gay friends have a tendency towards easy tears. It's actually something I more associate with middle-aged heterosexual men.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:12:23am

re: #20 researchok

Well done, Nancy Pelosi.

Showing real class.

What's she wearing?

45 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:13:43am

re: #41 jaunte

Well he is a golfer.

yeah, it's a good thing he isn't.....black!

46 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:14:04am

re: #42 albusteve

yes, right after you called him gay

Oh, I'm not calling him gay. Like Beck, I'm just asking the questions the lamestream media is afraid to ask.

47 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:14:28am

C'mon, Boehner -- get your man pants on!

48 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:15:25am

re: #40 SanFranciscoZionist

He doesn't look that bad in the photos I'm seeing. It used to be extreme. Now, I wouldn't really notice.

He looks pretty burnished on my TV:

Image: ZZ23C33E6E.jpg

49 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:15:38am

re: #46 palomino

Oh, I'm not calling him gay. Like Beck, I'm just asking the questions the lamestream media is afraid to ask.

I'm just riffin...in reverse

50 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:16:21am

re: #48 Charles

He looks pretty burnished on my TV:

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:16:52am

re: #48 Charles

He looks pretty burnished on my TV:

52 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:16:57am

re: #36 jamesfirecat

I personally think there's nothing wrong with a man being in touch with his emotions.

That said he should also think about being in touch with a good dermatologist, I hear you can get skin cancer from trying to hard to get a fake tan. BOOM ZING!

I believe he is truly grateful for his opportunities and good fortunes. He is right to be humbled and grateful. I take no issue whatsoever for his awareness and the deep emotions he might feel. He has traveled a long way from humble origins.

That said, his gratitude does not displace his obligations and commitments.

His priorities have to be focused outwards and not inwards. We can acknowledge his gratitude and wish him well, but it is the business of the nation that he must focus on now.

53 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:17:02am
54 Slap  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:17:13am

re: #49 albusteve

I'm just riffin...in reverse

So, you're just niffer?

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:17:24am

re: #48 Charles

Your link is eating my response.

OK, he has a tan! I'm not typing my response again!

56 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:17:29am

re: #48 Charles

He looks pretty burnished on my TV:

Image: ZZ23C33E6E.jpg

nicely parted hair...that takes years of repetition

57 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:17:37am

re: #43 Obdicut

None of my gay friends have a tendency towards easy tears. It's actually something I more associate with middle-aged heterosexual men.

I was just making a rather ham-fisted joke about the improbability of the current gop actually choosing a gay man as the SOH.

58 Slap  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:17:57am

re: #54 Slap

So, you're just niffer?

ARRRRGH..

NIFFIR.

Nothing like screwing up a bad joke.

59 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:18:06am

Let's! Get! Ready! To rummmmble!

//

60 allegro  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:18:19am

I think it is entirely appropriate that a raging Boehner is the head of the reigning majority party in Congress. It's that transparency we've all been wanting. We KNOW we're about to be screwed.

61 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:18:37am

re: #54 Slap

So, you're just niffer?

joker, smoker, midnight toker

62 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:18:58am

I am sorry but the responses in this thread make me angry. Why must we drop down to insulting the man's last name, making fun of his skin color, and even making fun of the fact that he shows his emotions. I absolutely detest this aspect of politics. I hate when people make fun of President Obama's physical traits and his name. I hated all the juvenile "shrub" comments about President Bush. He is, afterall, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, arguably one of the three most important positions created by our constitution. Can't we just criticize policies and actions and not make it so personal! Lets leave the childish stuff to other sites.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:19:07am

How does he pronounce his name, anyway? I keep saying BOH-ner, but someone said that it's something else.

64 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:19:32am

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

How does he pronounce his name, anyway? I keep saying BOH-ner, but someone said that it's something else.

BAYner

65 jaunte  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:19:44am

re: #53 Gus 802

John Dingell

I'd like to see other politicians use that weird German expressionist lighting.

66 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:19:49am

Boehner did a good job.

67 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:20:11am

re: #59 Gus 802

Let's! Get! Ready! To rummmble!

//

REPEAL OBAMACARE!
good grief...if they spend more than twenty minutes on that I'll scream

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:20:13am

re: #64 researchok

BAYner

Thanks. I couldn't recall. And these days, I read most of my news.

69 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:20:33am

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

How does he pronounce his name, anyway? I keep saying BOH-ner, but someone said that it's something else.

Apparently Boeh is pronounced BAY.

I gues he was told that by Doctor Frahnkensteen.

70 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:21:00am

re: #62 Big Steve

I am sorry but the responses in this thread make me angry. Why must we drop down to insulting the man's last name, making fun of his skin color, and even making fun of the fact that he shows his emotions. I absolutely detest this aspect of politics. I hate when people make fun of President Obama's physical traits and his name. I hated all the juvenile "shrub" comments about President Bush. He is, afterall, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, arguably one of the three most important positions created by our constitution. Can't we just criticize policies and actions and not make it so personal! Lets leave the childish stuff to other sites.

well, we can't do that stuff with BO so he's a good target

71 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:21:24am

re: #62 Big Steve

I don't think it's an aspect of politics, but one of celebrity.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:21:31am

Nancy is now NancyPelosi rather than SpeakerPelosi on Twitter.

This must mean it's official.

73 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:21:37am

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks. I couldn't recall. And these days, I read most of my news.

Well, if it wasn't BAYnor before, it is now.

Survival.

74 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:21:45am

re: #66 Gus 802

Boehner did a good job.

It was a good speech, but let's face it, nothing but the usual political boilerplate. Promises to work with Democrats, etc. None of it is true; they're going to be more obstructionist and absolutist than ever, and it's going to start right away.

75 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:21:45am

re: #60 allegro

I think it is entirely appropriate that a raging Boehner is the head of the reigning majority party in Congress. It's that transparency we've all been wanting. We KNOW we're about to be screwed.

booga booga!

76 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:22:32am

re: #74 Charles

Case in point:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:22:34am

re: #71 Obdicut

I don't think it's an aspect of politics, but one of celebrity.

Eh, it's a fair point. I haven't got much against Boehner, except that he represents getting shellacked. The orange jokes are well-meant, and I'm sure I'd cry while getting installed as Speaker.

78 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:23:25am

re: #62 Big Steve

Thanks Big Steve!!
I agree!
I cried at the end of "Saving Private Ryan"..."Old Yeller"etc.. (I was 10)
By the way abriviated, your nic is B.S.!!just sayin!
LOLJust kidding there.........

79 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:24:23am

I give it the 24 hour rule

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:24:43am

Ah, Pelosi is in blue. And has a couple of grandkids in tow, although it's not clear to me if they're hers or Hoyer's. Probably hers. One of them is sitting on her.

81 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:24:56am

re: #74 Charles

It was a good speech, but let's face it, nothing but the usual political boilerplate. Promises to work with Democrats, etc. None of it is true; they're going to be more obstructionist and absolutist than ever, and it's going to start right away.

Yeah, pretty much a formality. I am glad he kept it rather secular rather than turning it into a sermon that we see sometimes.

82 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:26:58am

re: #81 Gus 802

Yeah, pretty much a formality. I am glad he kept it rather secular rather than turning it into a sermon that we see sometimes.

it's DC...non of it is trustworthy...I only care about the votes, he could be purple for all I care

83 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:27:04am

re: #81 Gus 802

Yeah, pretty much a formality. I am glad he kept it rather secular rather than turning it into a sermon that we see sometimes.

Good point.

It is ironic that it was Pelosi who referenced God.

84 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:27:18am

Will he get the keys to Nancy Jet??
....Mr. Speaker....I would check the fuel tanks and scan for ...ah..a device?
/

85 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:27:20am

re: #62 Big Steve

I am sorry but the responses in this thread make me angry. Why must we drop down to insulting the man's last name, making fun of his skin color, and even making fun of the fact that he shows his emotions. I absolutely detest this aspect of politics. I hate when people make fun of President Obama's physical traits and his name. I hated all the juvenile "shrub" comments about President Bush. He is, afterall, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, arguably one of the three most important positions created by our constitution. Can't we just criticize policies and actions and not make it so personal! Lets leave the childish stuff to other sites.

You're right of course, but Boehner certainly brings some of this on himself. Who was the last Speaker, President, SecofState, etc. who cried like a baby nearly every time he made a big speech. You gotta admit that it's kind weird.

The other stuff--skin tone and goofy name--is superficial. No one's questioning his citizenship or nationality or loyalty to America.

86 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:27:28am

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

The crying annoys me. I do find him to be overdramatic. However, the main thing I dislike about him is his horrible, horrible politics.

He's one of the jackasses who's siding with the anti-gay hate groups against the SPLC.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:27:49am

re: #83 researchok

Good point.

It is ironic that it was Pelosi who referenced God.

Why ironic?

88 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:27:57am

re: #78 reloadingisnotahobby

Thanks Big Steve!!
I agree!
I cried at the end of "Saving Private Ryan"..."Old Yeller"etc.. (I was 10)
By the way abriviated, your nic is B.S.!!just sayin!
LOLJust kidding there...

There is a scene in Apollo 13 where Lovell's daughter is talking her grandmother (who is in a wheel chair). The grandmother asker her granddaughter if she is scared then says "don't worry, if the invented a washing machine that could fly, my Jim could land it." Makes me tear up EVERY TIME!

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:28:48am

re: #84 reloadingisnotahobby

Will he get the keys to Nancy Jet??
...Mr. Speaker...I would check the fuel tanks and scan for ...ah..a device?
/

I predict that the jet will mysteriously stop being an issue with some people, and become one with others, starting...NOW!

90 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:29:17am

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Why ironic?

//Because she's a godless Californian liberal of course!

91 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:29:25am

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Why ironic?

I expected him to reference God- at least in deference to the evangelical and TP backers of the GOP.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:29:51am

re: #90 jamesfirecat

//Because she's a godless Californian liberal of course!

Eh, she's a Catholic grandma and an American politician. Either would be reason enough.

93 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:30:16am

re: #76 Obdicut

Case in point:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Had to look that up. It's a "deem and pass" or "self-executing rule". Looks like it's enjoyed bipartisan use over the years.

94 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:30:17am

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Why ironic?

Because all San Franciscans are atheists. Certainly, SFZ, you must realize this.

95 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:30:21am

re: #91 researchok

I expected him to reference God- at least in deference to the evangelical and TP backers of the GOP.

What the hell does Toilet Paper have to do with an.......oh!

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:30:25am

re: #91 researchok

I expected him to reference God- at least in deference to the evangelical and TP backers of the GOP.

And yet he didn't. Is he sending a message, or is it just not his style?

97 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:30:26am

re: #62 Big Steve

Can't agree. I don't have any problem with making fun of politicians; as far as I'm concerned, one reason we have politicians is for the humor.

98 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:31:59am

re: #97 Charles

Can't agree. I don't have any problem with making fun of politicians; as far as I'm concerned, one reason we have politicians is for the humor.

That's just the way it works out isn't it......since forever!

99 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:32:11am

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet he didn't. Is he sending a message, or is it just not his style?

I hadn't thought about it until your comment.

Maybe he really is sending a message. That would be my bet.

That would be the smart thing for him to do- keep his distance from the nutjob elements of the base.

100 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:32:31am

re: #93 Gus 802

Had to look that up. It's a "deem and pass" or "self-executing rule". Looks like it's enjoyed bipartisan use over the years.

Yep. And recently the GOP called it's use "Worse than Watergate" and about burst a communal blood vessel over the Democrats potentially using it.

101 Fart Knocker  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:33:57am

re: #97 Charles

Can't agree. I don't have any problem with making fun of politicians; as far as I'm concerned, one reason we have politicians is for the humor.

"I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts."
Will Rogers

102 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:33:59am

re: #62 Big Steve

I am sorry but the responses in this thread make me angry. Why must we drop down to insulting the man's last name, making fun of his skin color, and even making fun of the fact that he shows his emotions. I absolutely detest this aspect of politics. I hate when people make fun of President Obama's physical traits and his name. I hated all the juvenile "shrub" comments about President Bush. He is, afterall, the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, arguably one of the three most important positions created by our constitution. Can't we just criticize policies and actions and not make it so personal! Lets leave the childish stuff to other sites.

Politicians are fair game. It's been that way for centuries.

What should be off limits are family, health and personal tragedy and loss.

103 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:34:25am

re: #99 researchok

He's not at any distance from the nutjobs though. He's siding with anti-gay groups against the SPLC.

That's intense nutjobbery all on its own.

[Link: www.ontopmag.com...]

104 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:34:32am

re: #100 Obdicut

Yep. And recently the GOP called it's use "Worse than Watergate" and about burst a communal blood vessel over the Democrats potentially using it.

Yep. For health care reform. Which is why they went bonkers. These guys will keep bashing themselves over the head for things they were for and against in the history of their parties. One year one party is damning deem and pass and the next year they're embracing it.

105 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:34:33am

re: #100 Obdicut

Yep. And recently the GOP called it's use "Worse than Watergate" and about burst a communal blood vessel over the Democrats potentially using it.

Things are only bad if the opposition uses them.

I notice that the investigations the GOP screamed the Dems were going to run in 2008 never really happened, but what the first thing they do when they get elected?

Fucking hypocrits.

106 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:35:29am
107 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:35:32am

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

108 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:36:56am

re: #103 Obdicut

He's not at any distance from the nutjobs though. He's siding with anti-gay groups against the SPLC.

That's intense nutjobbery all on its own.

[Link: www.ontopmag.com...]

It is nut jobbery- but it doesn't tell the whole story.

We didn't define Clinton by his defense of marriage act, either. Nor Obama.

109 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:37:05am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

Have you read about the "specific authority" gimmick they plan for all new bills?

110 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:37:27am

re: #100 Obdicut

Yep. And recently the GOP called it's use "Worse than Watergate" and about burst a communal blood vessel over the Democrats potentially using it.

really?...could you post that quote?

111 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:37:41am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

My initial reaction would be for some Democrats to take part.

112 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:37:43am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

If that's all this Congress does to appease the TP, I'll be most happy.

113 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:38:03am

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Yeah - that can't possibly be enacted. And that's not the legislative branch's decision to make, anyway.

114 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:38:11am

re: #108 researchok

It is nut jobbery- but it doesn't tell the whole story.

We didn't define Clinton by his defense of marriage act, either. Nor Obama.

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

What is the other side of the story to Boehner siding with the anti-gay groups against the SPLC?

115 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:38:43am

re: #104 Gus 802

Yep. For health care reform. Which is why they went bonkers. These guys will keep bashing themselves over the head for things they were for and against in the history of their parties. One year one party is damning deem and pass and the next year they're embracing it.

people of principle

116 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:39:03am

re: #110 albusteve

really?...could you post that quote?

It was Mark Levin:

117 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:39:12am

re: #110 albusteve

really?...could you post that quote?

Here yah go!

118 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:39:28am

re: #113 Charles

Yeah - that can't possibly be enacted. And that's not the legislative branch's decision to make, anyway.

They'll use it as proof of "judicial activism"

"But we cited the authority right here!"

119 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:39:39am

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Jinx. You owe me ice cream.

120 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:39:47am

re: #114 Obdicut

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

What is the other side of the story to Boehner siding with the anti-gay groups against the SPLC?

Was Clinton unacceptable because of his opposition to gay marriage?

121 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:40:03am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

then hopelessly attack Obamacare....woohoo!

122 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:40:32am

re: #114 Obdicut

I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.

What is the other side of the story to Boehner siding with the anti-gay groups against the SPLC?

Absolutely - not just Boehner, the whole GOP (or at least the ones who went on record) backed the anti-gay hate groups. This is probably the most anti-gay House majority ever.

123 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:40:32am

re: #120 researchok

Was Clinton unacceptable because of his opposition to gay marriage?

Clinton may have been against gay marriage but he didn't go to the mat at any point standing up for hate groups.... (that I can recall)

124 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:41:58am

re: #116 Obdicut

It was Mark Levin:


[Video]

oh, you said it was the GOP....I see it was one guy

125 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:42:26am

re: #120 researchok

Was Clinton unacceptable because of his opposition to gay marriage?

The 90s were a different era for gay marriage. The center of gravity on that issue has moved tremendously in just over a decade. All in all, Clinton's record on gay rights was the most progressive by far for any president up to that point.

126 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:43:03am

re: #123 jamesfirecat

Clinton may have been against gay marriage but he didn't go to the mat at any point standing up for hate groups... (that I can recall)

True- and that's why I agreed to Obdi's nut jobbery comment. Boehner is making a mistake by supporting them.

I will say this- if dem strategy is to reduce the entire GOP to racist, bigoted misogynists, 2012 will be another blowout.

127 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:43:10am

re: #116 Obdicut

It was Mark Levin:

[Video]

To be fair, Mark Levin is technically not the Republican party.

128 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:43:41am

re: #125 palomino

The 90s were a different era for gay marriage. The center of gravity on that issue has moved tremendously in just over a decade. All in all, Clinton's record on gay rights was the most progressive by far for any president up to that point.

Is he pro gay marriage now?

I don't know.

129 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:44:10am

re: #128 researchok

Is he pro gay marriage now?

I don't know.

check the wind

130 jaunte  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:44:32am

re: #122 Charles


This is probably the most anti-gay House majority ever.


And for those readers interested in adoption issues, that means a greater number of children are likely to remain stuck indefinitely in foster care.

131 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:44:48am

re: #126 researchok

True- and that's why I agreed to Obdi's nut jobbery comment. Boehner is making a mistake by supporting them.

I will say this- if dem strategy is to reduce the entire GOP to racist, bigoted misogynists, 2012 will be another blowout.

Is it wrong for the us to call them on being racist bigots when/if they act that way?

We wouldn't be painting with a big brush, just shining a bit spotlight on how they act...

132 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:45:03am

re: #120 researchok

Was Clinton unacceptable because of his opposition to gay marriage?

That stance of Clinton's was certainly unacceptable. However, I'm really confused why you think that Clinton being opposed to gay marriage is equivalent with Boehner siding with hate groups.

Under Clinton, gay rights progressed. Slowly, but they progressed.

Boehner is anti-gay. Every vote on any issue pertaining to civil rights for gays, he has been against the extension of those rights.

And now he is siding with hate groups. That is a very bad thing, and it is not something that can be swept aside by saying "Well, Clinton was against gay marriage too." That's an enormous false equivalence.

133 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:45:16am

re: #127 Gus 802

To be fair, Mark Levin is technically not the Republican party.

Yeah that's Rush Limbaugh, what did he have to say on the issue?

134 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:45:24am

re: #124 albusteve

oh, you said it was the GOP...I see it was one guy

Yeah, one guy who gets routinely parroted by the rest of the GOP.

Comparisons to Watergate notwithstanding, Obama gets criticized daily for the "most corrupt administration ever" by the likes of Malkin (it's the title of her book) and many of the rest of the right wing media, TP and some members of Congress. Dan Quayle's halfwit son among others.

135 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:46:29am

re: #127 Gus 802

To be fair, Mark Levin is technically not the Republican party.

True. Mark Levin said it was worse than Watergate, on Fox.

Eric Cantor, on the other hand, said it was unconstitutional:

136 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:46:36am

re: #133 jamesfirecat

Yeah that's Rush Limbaugh, what did he have to say on the issue?

I'd have to Google.

137 allegro  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:47:22am

re: #126 researchok

I will say this- if dem strategy is to reduce the entire GOP to racist, bigoted misogynists, 2012 will be another blowout.

Perhaps more important would be that the GOP not reduce ITSELF to racist, bigoted misogynists. The party has been doing it to ITSELF for some time now.

138 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:47:51am

re: #135 Obdicut

True. Mark Levin said it was worse than Watergate, on Fox.

Eric Cantor, on the other hand, said it was unconstitutional:

[Video]

OK. That's more "official". So the "Slaughter rule" was a "deem and pass" rule?

139 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:48:17am

re: #126 researchok


I will say this- if dem strategy is to reduce the entire GOP to racist, bigoted misogynists, 2012 will be another blowout.

When was that ever the Dem strategy? It had nothing to do with the results in 2010, or 2008, 2006, etc., for that matter.

And a lot of the TP/GOP is made up of racist bigoted misogynists, as this blog and many others point out daily. Should this fact just be ignored?

140 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:48:19am

re: #134 palomino

Yeah, one guy who gets routinely parroted by the rest of the GOP.

Comparisons to Watergate notwithstanding, Obama gets criticized daily for the "most corrupt administration ever" by the likes of Malkin (it's the title of her book) and many of the rest of the right wing media, TP and some members of Congress. Dan Quayle's halfwit son among others.

you confuse the GOP with the elected Republicans in office...I'd bet that the GOP as a party supports gay rights by a wide margin...of course, maybe not....but without extensive polling, nobody could say, could they?

141 gamark  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:48:26am

re: #128 researchok

Is he pro gay marriage now?

He's not pro monogamous marriage.

142 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:48:48am

re: #124 albusteve

oh, you said it was the GOP...I see it was one guy

Here's some of the GOP response to deem and pass on health care:

"It's very painful and troubling to see the gymnastics through which they are going to avoid accountability," Rep. David Dreier (Calif.), the senior Republican on the House Rules Committee, told reporters.

Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., called the procedure "unprecedented" and "breathtaking."

"Obviously, this dysfunctional legislative branch's Leftist majority cares little about this pesky "supreme law of the land." - Rep. McCotter

143 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:48:49am

re: #136 Gus 802

I'd have to Google.

Oh hey, it seems to be more or less the exact same thing!

///Oh course its from Media Matters so its no more reliable than an Andrew Brietbart video...

144 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:49:23am

I'm only against deem and pass when they're trying to pass something I'm against!

//

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:49:24am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

Yes, it's a cheap stunt. OTOH, meh. They could, and probably will, do so many worse things.

146 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:49:32am

re: #138 Gus 802

OK. That's more "official". So the "Slaughter rule" was a "deem and pass" rule?

Yep. Same deal.

147 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:49:34am

re: #132 Obdicut

That stance of Clinton's was certainly unacceptable. However, I'm really confused why you think that Clinton being opposed to gay marriage is equivalent with Boehner siding with hate groups.

Under Clinton, gay rights progressed. Slowly, but they progressed.

Boehner is anti-gay. Every vote on any issue pertaining to civil rights for gays, he has been against the extension of those rights.

And now he is siding with hate groups. That is a very bad thing, and it is not something that can be swept aside by saying "Well, Clinton was against gay marriage too." That's an enormous false equivalence.

I'm not disagreeing altogether, I do believe he wrong for siding with these morons.

I am not willing to paint him as a bigot. As far as I can tell, no dems in Congress are doing that either.

148 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:50:08am

re: #147 researchok

I'm not disagreeing altogether, I do believe he wrong for siding with these morons.

I am not willing to paint him as a bigot. As far as I can tell, no dems in Congress are doing that either.

I'm sorry, who is painting him as a bigot, exactly?

149 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:50:51am

re: #147 researchok

I'm not disagreeing altogether, I do believe he wrong for siding with these morons.

I am not willing to paint him as a bigot. As far as I can tell, no dems in Congress are doing that either.

Lay down with dogs get up with flees.

If he's not a bigot he owes us at least an explanation for his actions....

150 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:51:24am

re: #130 jaunte

And for those readers interested in adoption issues, that means a greater number of children are likely to remain stuck indefinitely in foster care.

Thats true in more ways that one. I large percentage of homeless youth leave or are kicked out because of their sexual orientation or self-identity.

151 allegro  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:51:26am

re: #140 albusteve

you confuse the GOP with the elected Republicans in office...I'd bet that the GOP as a party supports gay rights by a wide margin...of course, maybe not...but without extensive polling, nobody could say, could they?

Then who is elected these guys and writing the party platforms?

152 Gus  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:51:32am

BIAB/W

153 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:51:43am

re: #128 researchok

Is he pro gay marriage now?

I don't know.

I'm not even sure he has an official position, because, you know, he's no longer an elected official. But he is pro-civil union which already puts him miles ahead of much of the GOP. Most state legislatures in GOP-controlled states don't just ban gay marriage, they also ban civil unions and all other similar partnerships.

154 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:52:41am

Drive By OT:

Ted Williams, homeless man with 'golden voice,' offered full-time job and home by Cleveland Cavs

Ted Williams, a homeless man who is the subject of viral video that has captivated the internet at large, has been offered a full-time job and a mortgage on a home by Quicken Loans Arena and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

155 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:52:50am

Fox News gets my own profession completely wrong.

At least they're consistent. What in ignorant article.

156 jaunte  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:53:00am

re: #151 allegro

The leadership is trailing.


As Nation Shifts Toward Gay Rights, RNC Candidates Promise To Stay Put
Though Republicans may be less willing overall to embrace gay rights than other groups, the party by no means speaks with one voice on the topic. The DADT repeal vote in the Congress carried a few Republican votes with it, and a handful of well-known Republicans have expressed their support for gay marriage as well.

But that's not how the candidates for RNC chair see it. At the debate yesterday, they spoke with basically one voice and said support for gay marriage does not have a place in the modern GOP.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

157 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:53:02am

re: #139 palomino

When was that ever the Dem strategy? It had nothing to do with the results in 2010, or 2008, 2006, etc., for that matter.

And a lot of the TP/GOP is made up of racist bigoted misogynists, as this blog and many others point out daily. Should this fact just be ignored?

I'm sorry, but there are a lot of comments on this blog- and every other- that are just not accurate.

Look, just because someone is against gay marriage doesn't necessarily make them a bigot. That stance may be wrong and stupid, even, but it doesn't make them a bigot.

158 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:53:16am

re: #151 allegro

Then who is elected these guys and writing the party platforms?

millions of ignorant voters that have no clue beyond a few TV clips

159 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:53:21am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

Who get's the 14th Amendment?

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:54:21am

re: #120 researchok

Was Clinton unacceptable because of his opposition to gay marriage?

He was certainly, to me, less endearing.

As is Obama.

And there's still some distance, both moral and practical, between DOMA and ragging on the SPLC for defining hate groups as hate groups.

161 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:54:31am

re: #140 albusteve

you confuse the GOP with the elected Republicans in office...I'd bet that the GOP as a party supports gay rights by a wide margin...of course, maybe not...but without extensive polling, nobody could say, could they?

there has been extensive polling. you're half right. the gop was evenly split on DADT, lagging far behind indies and dems.

on gay marriage, it's the dems and indies who are about evenly split, gop predominantly opposed.

162 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:54:38am

re: #157 researchok

I'm sorry, but there are a lot of comments on this blog- and every other- that are just not accurate.

Look, just because someone is against gay marriage doesn't necessarily make them a bigot. That stance may be wrong and stupid, even, but it doesn't make them a bigot.

We don't have a problem with him being against gay marriage.

We have a problem with him using his position to lend legitimacy to hate groups.

163 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:54:41am

re: #157 researchok

I'm sorry, but there are a lot of comments on this blog- and every other- that are just not accurate.

Look, just because someone is against gay marriage doesn't necessarily make them a bigot. That stance may be wrong and stupid, even, but it doesn't make them a bigot.

Can you please make clear who you believe called him a bigot?

164 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:54:49am

re: #102 researchok

Politicians are fair game. It's been that way for centuries.

What should be off limits are family, health and personal tragedy and loss.

Agree.

And I wouldn't normally go anywhere near skin color, either, except that the dude is orange. And that is just plain weird.

165 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:55:01am

University of Michigan fires their football coach!
YAAAYYY!
best news all week

166 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:55:20am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

You mean 'symbolism over substance,' an assessment of the left parroted by Rush Limbaugh for the last two decades?

Hypocrisy.

167 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:55:38am

re: #107 Charles

The Republicans are going to read the entire Constitution tomorrow.

I have nothing but respect for the US Constitution, as anyone who's read my blog surely knows.

But this is a cheap stunt for the Tea Party base, nothing more. It's an excellent indicator of how the GOP House is going to operate. Time-wasting bullshit will reign.

I hope they take the time to listen when they are reading the 14th amendment.

168 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:56:33am

re: #166 BigPapa

You mean 'symbolism over substance,' an assessment of the left parroted by Rush Limbaugh for the last two decades?

Hypocrisy.

At this point its like you can play bingo with writing down a list of all the things the GOP complained about the Democrats doing/planning to do/thinking about doing... and call out numbers as the GOP themselves do them....

169 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:57:20am

re: #162 jamesfirecat

We don't have a problem with him being against gay marriage.

We have a problem with him using his position to lend legitimacy to hate groups.

That I can agree with.

Now, i don't know enough about these groups. Are they only against gay marriage/civil unions as their primary planks or are they also affirmatively anti gay rights, as in excluding rights?

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:57:24am

re: #157 researchok

I'm sorry, but there are a lot of comments on this blog- and every other- that are just not accurate.

Look, just because someone is against gay marriage doesn't necessarily make them a bigot. That stance may be wrong and stupid, even, but it doesn't make them a bigot.

This is not just a marriage issue, though. And the SPLC is not watchlisting groups because they are anti-gay-marriage to the best of my knowledge.

171 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:57:45am

re: #157 researchok

I'm sorry, but there are a lot of comments on this blog- and every other- that are just not accurate.

Look, just because someone is against gay marriage doesn't necessarily make them a bigot. That stance may be wrong and stupid, even, but it doesn't make them a bigot.

That's hardly the extent of the opposition to the "radical gay agenda" you'll hear from Republicans. Gingrich has referred quite often to a "gay and secular fascism" in the US. Can you tell me any other presidential candidates who have chastised him for this?

172 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:57:56am

re: #164 garhighway

Agree.

And I wouldn't normally go anywhere near skin color, either, except that the dude is orange. And that is just plain weird.

I have seen orange skinned people in Jamaica...a bright darker orange, no doubt about it...Jamaica has skin of every conceivable color you can think of, within some reason

173 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:58:12am

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

This is not just a marriage issue, though. And the SPLC is not watchlisting groups because they are anti-gay-marriage to the best of my knowledge.

Yeah, I just asked about that.

174 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:58:26am

re: #165 albusteve

University of Michigan fires their football coach!
YAAAYYY!
best news all week

Harbaugh maybe the new one.

Would be good.

175 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:58:35am

re: #170 SanFranciscoZionist

This is not just a marriage issue, though. And the SPLC is not watchlisting groups because they are anti-gay-marriage to the best of my knowledge.

No, they are not. It is because they are groups that foment hate against homosexuals. And Boehner, as well as Cantor and other GOP officials, are defending them.

176 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:58:47am

re: #173 researchok

Yeah, I just asked about that.

Can you please explain who you are saying called Boehner a bigot?

177 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:59:15am

New Rules Allow Imposition of Spending and Revenue Limits that Members Have Not Been Allowed to See, Debate, or Vote On

Another aspect of the proposed rules also seems at odds with promises made in the campaign about what a new Republican majority would do. There was much talk about increasing the transparency of the legislative process, and some proposals in the new rules package would do that. But the new rules also include a stunning and unprecedented provision authorizing the Chairman of the Budget Committee elected in the 112th Congress, expected to be Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, to submit for publication in the Congressional Record total spending and revenue limits and allocations of spending to committees — and the rules provide that this submission “shall be considered as the completion of congressional action on a concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2011.” In other words, in the absence of a budget resolution agreement between the House and the Senate, it appears that Rep. Ryan (presumably with the concurrence of the Republican leadership) will be allowed to set enforceable spending and revenue limits, with any departure from those limits subject to being ruled “out of order.”
178 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:59:19am

re: #171 palomino

That's hardly the extent of the opposition to the "radical gay agenda" you'll hear from Republicans. Gingrich has referred quite often to a "gay and secular fascism" in the US. Can you tell me any other presidential candidates who have chastised him for this?

I don't care about rhetoric. Politics always brings out the worst.

179 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 11:59:43am

re: #169 researchok

That I can agree with.

Now, i don't know enough about these groups. Are they only against gay marriage/civil unions as their primary planks or are they also affirmatively anti gay rights, as in excluding rights?

They're anti gay rights at all.

I haven't read up on them at that much but what I've have seen has been enough, believe me, do you think the SPLC classifies organizations as hate groups for shits and giggles?

180 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:00:11pm

re: #176 Obdicut

Can you please explain who you are saying called Boehner a bigot?

If you say he aligns himself with hate groups, what else would you call him?

181 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:00:12pm

re: #166 BigPapa

You mean 'symbolism over substance,' an assessment of the left parroted by Rush Limbaugh for the last two decades?

Hypocrisy.

but it hasn't happened yet...does that count for anything?...wait and see

182 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:01:19pm

re: #180 researchok

If you say he aligns himself with hate groups, what else would you call him?

A cynical opportunist?

183 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:01:33pm

re: #180 researchok

If you say he aligns himself with hate groups, what else would you call him?

He could simply be a souless panderer who doesn't actively hate anyone but thinks the only way he can cling to/build power is to ride on the backs of those who do!

184 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:01:50pm

re: #179 jamesfirecat

They're anti gay rights at all.

I haven't read up on them at that much but what I've have seen has been enough, believe me, do you think the SPLC classifies organizations as hate groups for shits and giggles?

Re the SPLC, of course not.

I just want the clarification, that's all.

185 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:02:10pm

re: #178 researchok

I don't care about rhetoric. Politics always brings out the worst.

Do you think it's some sort of accident that about 80% of gays vote Dem? One party is clearly much more hostile to the rights of gays. Sorry, but it's a fact.

186 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:02:22pm

re: #180 researchok

If you say he aligns himself with hate groups, what else would you call him?

Someone who's defending a hate group. Which he is doing. If you believe that someone who defends hate groups is a bigot, then isn't it you calling Boehner a bigot?

Why were you trying to claim that I or anyone else had called him a bigot, when that hadn't happened?

187 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:02:25pm

re: #174 Stanley Sea

Harbaugh maybe the new one.

Would be good.

that guy is in the drivers seat...he has choices
I'd like to see him come back
I don't care so much if MI is a huge powerhouse, but their program is in shambles

188 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:03:00pm

re: #183 jamesfirecat

He could simply be a souless panderer who doesn't actively hate anyone but thinks the only way he can cling to/build power is to ride on the backs of those who do!

Agreed- and that's why I believe he's an idiot for aligning himself with these morons.

That said, this isn't new in politics.

189 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:03:15pm

I don't trust speakers who pass out tobacco lobby checks on the house floor for some reason...

190 palomino  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:03:21pm

re: #187 albusteve

that guy is in the drivers seat...he has choices
I'd like to see him come back
I don't care so much if MI is a huge powerhouse, but their program is in shambles

Not as bad as my alma mater, the once glorious USC.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:03:56pm

re: #169 researchok

That I can agree with.

Now, i don't know enough about these groups. Are they only against gay marriage/civil unions as their primary planks or are they also affirmatively anti gay rights, as in excluding rights?

Here's what the SPLC has to say about the American Family Research Council.

192 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:04:12pm

re: #184 researchok

Re the SPLC, of course not.

I just want the clarification, that's all.

Here's some clarification:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

The program’s host, Neal Conan, noted Mr. Franck’s statement that the SPLC published a report “identifying a dozen or so anti-gay hate groups, some for no apparent reason other than their vocal opposition to same-sex marriage.” Anyone who read our report would have known that we identified exactly 13 organizations as hate groups – and not one of them was listed because of their position on same-sex marriage.

We detailed clearly the criteria we used for identifying an organization as an anti-gay hate group: “[T]heir propagation of known falsehoods – claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities – and repeated, groundless name-calling.” By “known falsehoods,” we mean such things as asserting that homosexuals are more disposed to molesting children than heterosexuals – which the overwhelming weight of credible scientific research has determined is patently untrue. Nowhere in our report do we equate taking a position against same-sex marriage with hate speech.

Mr. Franck said further that we engaged in a “failure to discriminate some groups from others” in compiling our anti-gay hate groups list. We analyzed in detail each of 18 organizations we cite as purveyors of anti-gay rhetoric, and determined that the activities of five of them – including the National Organization for Marriage – did not meet the above-stated hate-group criteria despite their opposition to same-sex marriage. We distinguished the 13 hate groups from the other five with a widely recognized notational symbol: an asterisk. Why this proved confusing to Mr. Franck is unclear. Nevertheless, it is irresponsible of Mr. Franck to state that the SPLC was “undiscriminating” in its analysis when our criteria and our conclusions were plainly stated.

The Southern Poverty Law Center is in no way opposed to the invigorating clash of ideas in the public forum. We do, however, feel it is important to point out when claims being made are demonstrably false, and when disparaging, emotion-provoking stereotypes are used in place of facts and logic. When we designate an organization as a hate group, it isn’t to suppress debate; it is to sound a warning alarm: “This debater isn’t being honest about the facts – and we can prove it.”

193 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:04:14pm

re: #188 researchok

Agreed- and that's why I believe he's an idiot for aligning himself with these morons.

That said, this isn't new in politics.

Its a sad state for politics when a major party figure deciding to take the side of hate groups isn't "news'.

194 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:04:32pm

re: #186 Obdicut

Someone who's defending a hate group. Which he is doing. If you believe that someone who defends hate groups is a bigot, then isn't it you calling Boehner a bigot?

Why were you trying to claim that I or anyone else had called him a bigot, when that hadn't happened?

I'm sorry- you say he is aligning himself with bigots but he isn't a bigot?

I think jamesfirecat got it right.

195 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:05:41pm

re: #190 palomino

Not as bad as my alma mater, the once glorious USC.

right, and it takes a long time to get it going again...and now USC has Stanford to kick their butt...MI is so bad, they aren't even fun to watch anymore

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:06:34pm

re: #169 researchok

That I can agree with.

Now, i don't know enough about these groups. Are they only against gay marriage/civil unions as their primary planks or are they also affirmatively anti gay rights, as in excluding rights?

To supplement--these are groups with an active anti-gay agenda. They have spoken out against anti-bullying programs, claiming that these are a way to 'promote the gay agenda'. They routinely spout disproven crap about gays being sexual predators who damage children. This is not about marriage. This is about hating gay people, and wanting them marginalized as much as possible from American life.

197 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:06:47pm

re: #194 researchok

I think jamesfirecat got it right.


OOOHHh......

I just got a shiver up my spine.

Say it again!

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:07:27pm

re: #178 researchok

I don't care about rhetoric. Politics always brings out the worst.

Rhetoric is used for a reason.

199 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:07:58pm

re: #197 jamesfirecat

OOOHHh...

I just got a shiver up my spine.

Say it again!

It.

200 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:08:07pm

re: #194 researchok

I'm sorry- you say he is aligning himself with bigots but he isn't a bigot?

I have no opinion on whether or not he's a bigot. He's a politician. His alliance with the hate groups may be purely out of cravenness.

You, however, falsely claimed that I had called him a bigot. That is not a good thing to do. Please refrain from doing so in the future.

201 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:08:14pm

re: #192 Obdicut

Here's some clarification:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

Thank you- that is what I was looking for.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:08:17pm

re: #180 researchok

If you say he aligns himself with hate groups, what else would you call him?

An opportunist, perhaps? He has, in fact, come to the defense of these groups. I can't think of a positive reason for him to do so.

203 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:08:41pm

re: #193 jamesfirecat

Its a sad state for politics when a major party figure deciding to take the side of hate groups isn't "news'.

half of every politician in DC is a bigot...they are just a cross section of Americans...there is little to be done about it except vote against them if you find out about them...most just don't go about exposing themselves....bad for business

204 allegro  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:08:48pm

Let's see... the GOP isn't really the GOP, it's just the elected leaders, voters, and party platforms. The ones who support and defend anti-gay, anti-brown, anti-woman, etc. aren't really bigots, they're just spewing political rhetoric - they don't really mean it, certainly - to pander for votes from... who?

This is dissonance at its finest.

205 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:09:52pm

Yet another reason I"m glad I left the GOP

206 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:11:18pm

Boehner is either a bigot or he simply chooses to espouse bigoted positions for political gain. To know which it is requires a window into the man's soul that none of us have.

But does it really matter? Is one so much better or different than the other?

207 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:12:01pm

re: #204 allegro

Let's see... the GOP isn't really the GOP, it's just the elected leaders, voters, and party platforms. The ones who support and defend anti-gay, anti-brown, anti-woman, etc. aren't really bigots, they're just spewing political rhetoric - they don't really mean it, certainly - to pander for votes from... who?

This is dissonance at its finest.

the dissonance is to believe the voters have any idea what then hell is going on with their leaders...not everyone watches Fox or reads blogs like this....you give the electorate way too much credit

208 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:12:21pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

An opportunist, perhaps? He has, in fact, come to the defense of these groups. I can't think of a positive reason for him to do so.

I agree. It is absolutely moronic.

That is one reason I am fed up with the GOP in this incarnation.

You can espouse conservative values without being a pandering idiot or aligning yourself with bigots.

209 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:12:28pm

Either he believes what they say or he is willing to support them to make political points.

Sleazy either way.

210 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:13:16pm

re: #206 garhighway

It's kind of like Limbaugh. I don't give a shit if he actually believes in the crap he spews out. He still spews it.

I don't care what's in Boehner's heart. I care that in every vote on gay rights, he's voted against them, and that he's defending organizations that put out anti-gay propaganda.

Sincere about it, or insincere; no way to tell, and no visible difference.

211 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:13:23pm

re: #208 researchok

I agree. It is absolutely moronic.

That is one reason I am fed up with the GOP in this incarnation.

You can espouse conservative values without being a pandering idiot or aligning yourself with bigots.

Yes you can.

And our new Speaker of the House should try it some time....

212 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:13:27pm

OT:

Robbie Alomar and Bert Blyleven elected to the HOF.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

213 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:13:48pm

re: #206 garhighway

Boehner is either a bigot or he simply chooses to espouse bigoted positions for political gain. To know which it is requires a window into the man's soul that none of us have.

But does it really matter? Is one so much better or different than the other?

It does matter.

If he really is a bigot (which I don't believe) the dems ought to be calling him out on it.

That's why I believe he's just a pandering fool.

214 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:15:55pm

re: #209 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Either he believes what they say or he is willing to support them to make political points.

Sleazy either way.

I got a peaceful sleazy feelin...la la do dum

215 Kragar  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:15:57pm
216 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:16:49pm

re: #211 jamesfirecat

Yes you can.

And our new Speaker of the House should try it some time...

No argument here.

I am right of center- and I won't support the kind of agenda the current GOP embraces.

The GOP will have to remake itself in the same way the dems did. It was painful at times ugly but necessary.

Like it or not, in it's current iteratin the GOP is circling the drain.

217 garhighway  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:17:17pm

re: #213 researchok

It does matter.

If he really is a bigot (which I don't believe) the dems ought to be calling him out on it.

That's why I believe he's just a pandering fool.

But how can you distinguish between the bigot and the panderer?

The guy who sent out the "Barack the Magic Negro" email is now a GOP congressman's chief of staff. Bigot or panderer? Who knows? Who CAN know?

218 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:17:19pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AFA to CPAC: Homosexuality is not a conservative value by Bryan Fischer.

gosh almighty...he presumes to speak for me?...fuck him

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:18:22pm

re: #213 researchok

It does matter.

If he really is a bigot (which I don't believe) the dems ought to be calling him out on it.

That's why I believe he's just a pandering fool.

I'd be OK with the Dems calling him out for being a pandering fool too. Or the Republicans. Anyone, really.

220 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:19:01pm

re: #217 garhighway

But how can you distinguish between the bigot and the panderer?

The guy who sent out the "Barack the Magic Negro" email is now a GOP congressman's chief of staff. Bigot or panderer? Who knows? Who CAN know?

It's a judgement call, really.

I for one don't like it one bit.

221 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:19:01pm

re: #217 garhighway

But how can you distinguish between the bigot and the panderer?

The guy who sent out the "Barack the Magic Negro" email is now a GOP congressman's chief of staff. Bigot or panderer? Who knows? Who CAN know?

I believe every politician should be given a lie detector test, whenever asked, by law....it's gotten that bad

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:19:18pm

re: #215 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

AFA to CPAC: Homosexuality is not a conservative value by Bryan Fischer.

Yeah, yeah. Mr. Fischer doesn't believe grizzly bears are a conservative value either.

(I really don't think you can apply the term 'conservative' to an approach of 'let's kill all the wild animals, because they sometimes eat us'.)

223 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:20:24pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd be OK with the Dems calling him out for being a pandering fool too. Or the Republicans. Anyone, really.

Please run, I'll vote for you.

I may yell at you every now and then, but I'd vote for you.

That said, who are we kidding, looking for ethics in Congress!

224 allegro  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:20:35pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist


Fischer: God Is Cursing Us With Bear Attacks For Failing To Follow The Bible

God makes it clear in Scripture that deaths of people and livestock at the hands of savage beasts is a sign that the land is under a curse. The tragic thing here is that we are bringing this curse upon ourselves.

225 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:21:50pm

re: #224 allegro

Fischer: God Is Cursing Us With Bear Attacks For Failing To Follow The Bible

Breathtakingly stupid.

The guy is a moron.

226 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:21:51pm

re: #223 researchok

Please run, I'll vote for you.

I may yell at you every now and then, but I'd vote for you.

That said, who are we kidding, looking for ethics in Congress!

ahaha!...ethics in congress?...NOT
maybe a few, whoever they are

227 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:22:37pm

re: #225 researchok

Breathtakingly stupid.

The guy is a moron.

yes, I bet most conservatives are good with that, don't you think?

228 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:22:47pm

re: #226 albusteve

ahaha!...ethics in congress?...NOT
maybe a few, whoever they are

Ethical congresspeople are like rare earth minerals.

Really, really rare.

229 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:23:07pm

re: #164 garhighway

Agree.

And I wouldn't normally go anywhere near skin color, either, except that the dude is orange. And that is just plain weird.

He must eat a lot of carrots.

230 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:23:21pm

re: #227 albusteve

yes, I bet most conservatives are good with that, don't you think?

A lot- and that's too many.

231 albusteve  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:23:52pm

re: #228 researchok

Ethical congresspeople are like rare earth minerals.

Really, really rare.

and people wonder why I hate the feds...especially my liberal friends here...boy they get pissy sometimes

232 researchok  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:24:50pm

re: #231 albusteve

and people wonder why I hate the feds...especially my liberal friends here...boy they get pissy sometimes

It is a House of Ill Repute.

And that title was well earned.

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:37:11pm

I consider myself the founder of the Thirder Movement.

Someday I'm gonna design t-shirts.

234 krypto  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 12:49:53pm

re: #28 Charles

Boehner's wife is just as orange as he is. They must have a private tanning bed.

Maybe their skin coloration is from some exotic plant that they're both consuming, some hallucinogen that induces dissociation from reality, inability to empathize with others, and a tendency to believe and keep repeating extreme opinions.

235 leftynyc  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 1:10:00pm

re: #34 albusteve

My second favorite movie of all time. I shake my head that the topic is becomming increasingly relevant rather than a nod at history.

236 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 1:31:28pm

re: #159 Stanley Sea

Who get's the 14th Amendment?

Maybe they'll just skip it.

237 blueraven  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 1:58:02pm

re: #97 Charles

Can't agree. I don't have any problem with making fun of politicians; as far as I'm concerned, one reason we have politicians is for the humor.

Its not like Pelosi was made fun of for her...age, looks, everything she did and said...//

238 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 9:58:11pm

re: #225 researchok

Breathtakingly stupid.

The guy is a moron.

That's insulting to the morons of the world.

239 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Jan 5, 2011 10:04:44pm

re: #234 krypto

inability to empathize with others,

It's called, "F*** you baby, I got mine!"

Knowing Boehner's background as well as I do, I'm not surprised. Like many of his age and educational background in my home area, he has a rather superficial, socially-conservative Catholicism, useful for hiding behind when one is challenged and helpful to trot out at election time. His main religion is money. I wouldn't be surprised if he believes in Social Darwinism.

The crying? Damned if I know.


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