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1 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:32:34am

And yes, I absolutely am saying there's a connection between the election of a black President and the right wing going completely batshit insane. It's obvious.

2 mr.fusion  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:33:23am

It's not whether or not the rhetoric was the cause of the AZ shooting, but whether or not it's appropriate.

No doubt we will never see Sarah, Rush, Glenn, et al apologize or walk anything back. But what about the political leaders? I find it hard to believe Americans will accept this type of talk from their political leaders as we move forward.

3 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:33:35am

I'm a real Patriot against violent campaign rhetoric.

4 Ericus58  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:34:38am

Bill Clinton: Politics must change after Arizona attack

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"Former President Bill Clinton has said the US political climate must change after the shooting of a US Congresswoman and others in Arizona.

Mr Clinton told the BBC the House of Representatives should take the lead in changing the US's political discourse.

"Nobody intends for this kind of thing to happen... but we do need to be careful about things we say," he said."

(cont.)

5 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:36:45am
Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz's initials written next to it. He later said it was a "mistake."

I'd forgotten about that one. Such an asshole.

6 S.D.  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:36:49am

Shhh, Don't tell the NEWS organizations...

7 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:38:26am

When anyone says this was not political I just scratch my head. A US Congressperson was shot. THAT in itself in undeniably political.

8 mr.fusion  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:40:54am

re: #7 Stanley Sea

When anyone says this was not political I just scratch my head. A US Congressperson was shot. THAT in itself in undeniably political.

Right- the guy was clearly a lunatic, but why did he choose a member of Congress?

9 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:40:56am

re: #1 Charles

I agree tension from our first black president has a huge bearing. But we also have this great recession and all it's stresses. What I have not made up my mind about is if we would have seen so much anger in a growing low stress economy. Or as a thought experiment if the heated rhetoric would have also applied to say Hilary Clinton POTUS, in the great recession. Admittedly hypothetical!

Reality is we got both, big time. And I am as anxious as you are to end 2nd amendment solution rhetoric. Awful stuff there, inciting violence.

10 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:41:49am

The campaign of violent rhetoric is destroying America!

11 Randall Gross  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:42:18am

The really good news from this article: more than 90 percent of these wingnut whackjobs are factual and literal LOSERS. That encourages me about the future since the general electorate is shying away from this obvious demagoguery. When's the Tea party and the GOP going to take note that violent rhetoric and dog whistling overly loud towards the NRA can get you the lose?

12 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:46:08am

But... but... "Dems used words such as "target" too!" *snort*

13 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:46:53am

I'm no fan of Kos but his tweet brought me a smirk:

If I had to explain as frequently as Limbaugh & Beck do that acts of mass violence were not my fault ...

14 stevemcg  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:47:14am

The right would be going apeshit if Hillary Clinton were elected President. It is just an extension of the Clinton era witchhunt, which was never about justice or the honor of the office.

15 jaunte  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:47:21am

In the debate over violent rhetoric and whether it greases the skids for crazies, it's been odd watching a bunch of people who call themselves conservative arguing against self restraint.

16 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:49:08am

Quite a list. The GOP should be ashamed of turning politics into what it currently is, but none of them see to be capable of being shamed.

I'd like to be optimistic that the assassination attempt on Rep. Giffords will be a turning point, but I'm not. We are sadly stuck with the political system, and the politicians, that we've got. Things will not get better, I'm afraid.

17 mr.fusion  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:53:35am

re: #14 stevemcg

The right would be going apeshit if Hillary Clinton were elected President. It is just an extension of the Clinton era witchhunt, which was never about justice or the honor of the office.

It would be different. The entire "Other" campaign they are waging against Obama wouldn't resonate with a Clinton in office like it does with a black man in office.

18 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:54:06am

re: #3 BigPapa

I'm a real Patriot against violent campaign rhetoric.

I'm so glad there are conservatives willing to stand up and say that. The violent rhetoric really isn't necessary to get one's point across. And some of it can't even be classified as rhetoric, as Maddow pointed out last night.

For example, this is not rhetoric, it's a thinly veiled threat—vote the way we want OR ELSE (emphasis mine):

Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who's in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical...

Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.

Angle: Well it's to defend ourselves. And you know, I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.

The sentiments are not a one-off.

As Jonathan Karl reported earlier this month, she told the Reno Gazette-Journal that people are quietly stocking up on ammunition in case they need to resort to insurrection or, as she put it, a “fight for liberty.”

"What is a little bit disconcerting and concerning is the inability for sporting goods stores to keep ammunition in stock," she told the newspaper. "That tells me the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn't that they are so distrustful of their government? They're afraid they'll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways?” she said.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

P.S. Is that you that started following me on Twitter? Just checking.

19 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:55:07am

How about this gal? Catherine Crabill, Repub nominee in Virginia.

From Ballot Box to Bullet Box

"If war is inevitable, than let it come. I repeat! Let it come! We have a chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box."

~feel the love~

20 Stanghazi  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:55:59am

mmfa

Limbaugh: Arizona shooting suspect Loughner "has the full support" of the Democratic Party [Link: mm4a.org...] #p2

21 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:56:28am

re: #19 marjoriemoon

Funny that they have to resort to quoting Malcolm X, inadvertently or not. It's rather revealing.

22 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:56:55am

re: #3 BigPapa

I'm a real Patriot against violent campaign rhetoric.

But we have you down as a Tranzi Prog catechumen.

23 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:57:34am

re: #21 Fozzie Bear

Funny that they have to resort to quoting Malcolm X, inadvertently or not. It's rather revealing.

That was Malcom X? I didn't know! That's kinda funny, isn't it.

24 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:58:30am

re: #20 Stanley Sea

mmfa

Limbaugh: Arizona shooting suspect Loughner "has the full support" of the Democratic Party [Link: mm4a.org...] #p2

IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN! THE GREAT WIZARD OF GOP HAS SPOKEN!

25 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 10:59:06am

re: #23 marjoriemoon

That was Malcom X? I didn't know! That's kinda funny, isn't it.

26 elizajane  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:01:09am

re: #14 stevemcg

The right would be going apeshit if Hillary Clinton were elected President. It is just an extension of the Clinton era witchhunt, which was never about justice or the honor of the office.

I completely agree with this. I even think it might be worse.

Unless you have Republican, Rush-listening family members as do I, you might not remember the almost insane hatred of Bill Clinton that was just ready to resurface iced with misogyny at the prospect of Hilary. In fact, I think the hatred would have come faster if she'd been the nominee, much less the elected president.

The right didn't quite know what to do with a black man during the election. Oh sure, Palin pointed the way, but a lot of further fancy-footing and reaching for metaphors was necessary; really it took a few months (!) after the election for the full narrative to be formed. With Hilary it was already there. There is virtually no limit on how direct, crude, violent and hateful your public rhetoric can be about a woman, like there is with an African-American.

27 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:01:42am

re: #18 CuriousLurker

I'm so glad there are conservatives willing to stand up and say that. The violent rhetoric really isn't necessary to get one's point across. And some of it can't even be classified as rhetoric, as Maddow pointed out last night.

For example, this is not rhetoric, it's a thinly veiled threat—vote the way we want OR ELSE (emphasis mine):

P.S. Is that you that started following me on Twitter? Just checking.

Yes that was me. I also Followed Maddow and a few others, expectations are high :)

Violent rhetoric and thinly veiled threats are cheap and reckless. If you can't sell your ideas on it's merit then STFU. In this day and age of hyperfast and exponential communications that propagate in perpetuity it's more important than ever to speak responsibly.

28 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:02:16am

re: #15 jaunte

In the debate over violent rhetoric and whether it greases the skids for crazies, it's been odd watching a bunch of people who call themselves conservative arguing against self restraint.

Sure has.

29 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:04:03am

re: #17 mr.fusion

It would be different. The entire "Other" campaign they are waging against Obama wouldn't resonate with a Clinton in office like it does with a black man in office.

Yes they had an entirely different smear machine oiled up for her.

30 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:05:27am

re: #27 BigPapa

Yes that was me. I also Followed Maddow and a few others, expectations are high :)

Heh. ;)

Keep any eye on your followers. Every couple of days I get a new batch of crazies that I go in and block.

Violent rhetoric and thinly veiled threats are cheap and reckless. If you can't sell your ideas on it's merit then STFU. In this day and age of hyperfast and exponential communications that propagate in perpetuity it's more important than ever to speak responsibly.

Amen to that.

31 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:06:16am

re: #24 marjoriemoon

OMG. What a bastard. Really.

32 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:06:33am

Ugh, this is just wrong on so many levels...
Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings


After a Glock-wielding gunman killed six people at a Tucson shopping center on Jan. 8, Greg Wolff, the owner of two Arizona gun shops, told his manager to get ready for a stampede of new customers.

Wolff was right. Instead of hurting sales, the massacre had the $499 semi-automatic pistols -- popular with police, sport shooters and gangsters -- flying out the doors of his Glockmeister stores in Mesa and Phoenix.

“We’re at double our volume over what we usually do,” Wolff said two days after the shooting spree that also left 14 wounded, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who remains in critical condition.

33 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:08:03am

re: #20 Stanley Sea

mmfa

Limbaugh: Arizona shooting suspect Loughner "has the full support" of the Democratic Party [Link: mm4a.org...] #p2

Isn't he a mainstream conservative? He has like 20 million listeners.

34 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:08:08am

re: #29 Amory Blaine

Yes they had an entirely different smear machine oiled up for her.

Speaking of Clinton, it was Rush's obsession with them that caused me to tire of listening in the early 90's. Cattle Futures and Vince Foster...

35 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:10:04am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Ugh, this is just wrong on so many levels...
Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings

There is probably a presumption that the evil dem gun grabbers will try to ban them so they better hurry up and get them now. Bet it's happening all over gun country the same way it was impossible to buy a box of ammunition in anything even remotely popular for about 18 months after Obama's election. Ammuntion supplies are only now getting back to normal.

36 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:10:05am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Ugh, this is just wrong on so many levels...
Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings

///No such thing as bad publicity.

(I'm going to be sick...)

37 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:10:20am

re: #30 CuriousLurker


Keep any eye on your followers. Every couple of days I get a new batch of crazies that I go in and block.

Duly noted. I thought of replying to Breitbart last night when he was saying weird crap to Charles but figured he'd just boot me.

38 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:12:18am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Ugh, this is just wrong on so many levels...
Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings

I like how liberals are always accused of letting their emotions trump logic while frenzied gun owners rush to get their guns before their banned.

39 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:13:52am

re: #20 Stanley Sea

mmfa

Limbaugh: Arizona shooting suspect Loughner "has the full support" of the Democratic Party [Link: mm4a.org...] #p2

Saying one of the two major political parties in the country supports political assassinations... nope, that's not at all likely to lead people to violence.

Pay attention people. Rush just effectively told his millions of listeners that the DNC, as an institution, assassinates people. What is the patriotic thing to do if you believe there is a real live totalitarian regime which has taken over the country and is killing people? Do you hold bake sales and wait for the next election?

What a fucking scumbag. This is EXACTLY the sort of shit I have been screaming my head off about for years. Right there. A PERFECT example.

40 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:14:14am

Speaking of Malcolm X, Newt Gingrich is stomping his feet wanting to know why liberals are upset about this shooting but ignoring the threat of "American Islamists". I guess it's pissing him off that people have taken a break from freaking out about Muslims. After all, he's got a movie to sell. Focus, America, focus!

41 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:16:12am

re: #38 Amory Blaine

I like how liberals are always accused of letting their emotions trump logic while frenzied gun owners rush to get their guns before their banned.

That feeling cuts across ideologies. I'm going to Anniston this weekend, and will try to look over the Civilian Marksmanship Program sales.

42 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:17:11am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Ugh, this is just wrong on so many levels...
Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings

Really, this is like Cold War-era mutually assured destruction, only at the individual level. And just like nuclear weapons, we're totally not worried about an abundance of weaponry making it easier for the wrong people to get their hands on them and unleash destruction, amirite?

Arming themselves with lethal weaponry won't make them safer. It just makes the communities they live in like the Deadwood and Tombstone of yore.

43 charlz  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:17:16am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Ugh, this is just wrong on so many levels...
Glock Pistol Sales Surge in Aftermath of Arizona Shootings

They could have decided that this 'extended clip' they heard of is just what they need to shoot up some cactus.
Cactus Courageous

44 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:17:30am

re: #39 Fozzie Bear

What a fucking scumbag. This is EXACTLY the sort of shit I have been screaming my head off about for years. Right there. A PERFECT example.

I'm deeply ashamed I gave him what credence I did even if it was in my early years. That was blatantly opportunistic.

45 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:18:18am

re: #40 CuriousLurker

Speaking of Malcolm X, Newt Gingrich is stomping his feet wanting to know why liberals are upset about this shooting but ignoring the threat of "American Islamists". I guess it's pissing him off that people have taken a break from freaking out about Muslims. After all, he's got a movie to sell. Focus, America, focus!

Them Muslims are tricksies!
/

46 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:18:39am

The right has figured out exactly where the line is between acceptable speech and sedition, and they are pounding at it with a hammer. Rush is a pro at it. Beck is a pro at it.

47 abbyadams  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:19:48am

re: #38 Amory Blaine

Especially since the heated rush to get guns before they're banned has been going on for over 2 years.

48 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:20:21am

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

The right has figured out exactly where the line is between acceptable speech and sedition, and they are pounding at it with a hammer. Rush is a pro at it. Beck is a pro at it.

And the amateurs are the ones carrying the water for them.

49 BishopX  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:21:24am

re: #42 Spocomptonite

Tombstone didn't allow guns in bars....

50 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:21:45am

re: #39 Fozzie Bear

Crap, I wasn't gonna listen because I can't stand Limbaugh, but I guess now I have to.

OT - The guy who moved in upstairs is a total jackass. He's always screaming at his family and stomping around loudly. He complained to the super once that my cigarette smoke was wafting upstairs bothering him. Too bad; this is a privately owned unit and there are not any no smoking rules. Dude, maybe if you weren't such an asshat I'd consider opening a window or buying an air filter, but I think I'd prefer to let you suffer.

51 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:22:50am

Nothing like trying to do web based training over a VPN link which drops every 15 minutes. 45 minute class took 2 hours.

52 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:23:00am

re: #50 CuriousLurker

He may need help dealing with his anger issues.

53 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:23:34am

re: #47 abbyadams

Especially since the heated rush to get guns before they're banned has been going on for over 2 years.

The NRA is amazingly adept at maintaining an atmosphere of fear of government taking away their firearms, for years now, even when there is not a shred of evidence that there is any credible attempt to do so.

They have contributed mightily to gun hoarding situation by serving the gun manufacturing lobby that supports them so well.

54 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:23:49am
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There's a friendly nic.

55 jaunte  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:00am

re: #54 wrenchwench

Maybe he got excited at registration time, and misspelled it.

56 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:22am

re: #54 wrenchwench

There's a friendly nic.

The poor guy typed a Y instead of an A.

57 Spocomptonite  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:24am

re: #49 BishopX

Tombstone didn't allow guns in bars...

True dat. But making a comparison to guns in Mogadishu just seemed excessive.

58 gamark  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:29am

re: #25 Fozzie Bear

I don't have the time (or stomach) to watch Malcom X for 53 minutes. Can you point me to the place in the video where the quote was taken from?

59 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:45am

re: #50 CuriousLurker

Crap, I wasn't gonna listen because I can't stand Limbaugh, but I guess now I have to.

OT - The guy who moved in upstairs is a total jackass. He's always screaming at his family and stomping around loudly. He complained to the super once that my cigarette smoke was wafting upstairs bothering him. Too bad; this is a privately owned unit and there are not any no smoking rules. Dude, maybe if you weren't such an asshat I'd consider opening a window or buying an air filter, but I think I'd prefer to let you suffer.

whoa....you smoke indoors? gag

60 abbyadams  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:48am

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

All the billboards around here say "GET THEM WHILE YOU CAN!!!" And have since 2008.

Sucker born every minute, and two to take 'em. Low information clients are an advertiser's best friend.

61 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:25:54am

re: #52 Amory Blaine

He may need help dealing with his anger issues.

Maybe. It could also just be a cultural thing. Some new folks moved in across the hall and the husband there does a lot of shouting too.

62 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:26:20am

re: #55 jaunte

Maybe he got excited at registration time, and misspelled it.

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The poor guy typed a Y instead of an A.

You guys are so generous...

63 Big Steve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:26:47am

ok so a friend whose husband is a pilot for Delta was co-piloting a flight from New York to Boston Sunday. They taxi'd away then got a call to return to the tower and were told to make up an excuse to the passengers about needing paperwork. When they got back they were met with 10 FBI agents who boarded and removed to Muslim men. Said co-pilot was not told much other than the two were on a no fly list. But chillingly the FBI guy says they are stepping up all survellience this year on flights that are the 9th day of each month due to those days being essentially 9/11 dates. Anyone heard anything about this?

64 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:26:53am

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Maybe. It could also just be a cultural thing. Some new folks moved in across the hall and the husband there does a lot of shouting too.

Cultural... where are you living... Greece?

65 abbyadams  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:26:56am

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think they meant En Ami.

66 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:27:10am

re: #59 albusteve

whoa...you smoke indoors? gag

Yeah. I'm sure pretty much everything in my place reeks of smoke.

67 jaunte  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:27:18am

kellyoxford tweets:

Canada is so crazy; you have to take a safety course and wait 4-6 weeks to buy a gun, and you aren't billed for treating your cancer!
68 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:27:52am

re: #59 albusteve

A smoker gave me the remains of a tin full of mints. I swear I tasted the cigarette tar on the mints. Very tasty.

69 reidr  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:28:37am

re: #1 Charles

And yes, I absolutely am saying there's a connection between the election of a black President and the right wing going completely batshit insane. It's obvious.

I don't disagree, but I'd say it's a combination of that and other buttons. Every smear, innuendo, distortion, and hate is being played these days. Just need to get more of your base riled up and voting than the other side!

70 BishopX  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:29:22am

re: #63 Big Steve


If this is the flight I think it is, they pulled 3 guys after a fbi agent on the plane noted something suspicious. They ran their names, asked them a few questions and put them on the next flight out.

I'll try to find the link.

71 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:29:24am

re: #61 CuriousLurker

Maybe. It could also just be a cultural thing. Some new folks moved in across the hall and the husband there does a lot of shouting too.

Could be an architecture thing--how's the building for insulation and soundproofing?

72 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:29:24am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Cultural... where are you living... Greece?

No, Jersey. Heh.

73 ContinentalOp  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:30:12am

John Jay, who is a sometime guest blogger -- NOT a mere commenter -- on Pam Geller's blog, wrote i advocate armed insurrection to excise radical leftist politicians and marxism from our body politic, if necessary [. . .]
it is also clear that the present united states administration and democratic congress of the united states are hell bent for election to usurp, restrain and infringe our ancient liberties and rights, and that they fully intend to impose a european socialist state upon our politics. they are well on their way to achieving precisely that . . . they need removed from office, immediately, by any means necessary, including armed insurrection . . . .

[Link: wintersoldier2008.typepad.com...]

I posted this on Ms Geller's blog, but she deleted the post. Jay also has posted instructions for making a nifty silenced sniper rifle.

74 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:31:00am

re: #69 reidr

I don't disagree, but I'd say it's a combination of that and other buttons. Every smear, innuendo, distortion, and hate is being played these days. Just need to get more of your base riled up and voting than the other side!

Yep. Have a listen:

75 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:31:01am

re: #72 CuriousLurker

No, Jersey. Heh.

LOL... I lived in Jersey for 10 years. I lived in NYC for 14 years.. everyone from Washington DC to Boston yells all the time. When did you start noticing :)

You know how we use to fix that? Yell louder.

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:31:08am

Is there anything tyrannical or illegitimate about a government that is elected by voters in free and fair elections? It may be flawed in places, and it may not always produce the results we like, but the alternatives are not worth considering.

77 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:31:14am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Could be an architecture thing--how's the building for insulation and soundproofing?

Soundproofing is actually pretty good—the girl next door sometimes plays music loudly, but I can barely hear it unless I get close to the wall. I'm not sure about insulation.

78 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:32:17am

re: #73 ContinentalOp

Maybe Geller can bring him along for her next CNN interview. You know, to provide proper context and balance.

79 Lemon  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:32:24am

In the Comments section of the link Charles started this post with, I also noticed this list, which seems pretty exhaustive.

And alarming, for that matter.

80 ContinentalOp  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:32:43am

I should have noted on the message I just posted about John Jay, that his call for armed insurrection was published on his own blog, not Pam Geller's.

81 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:33:24am

re: #58 gamark

I don't have the time (or stomach) to watch Malcom X for 53 minutes. Can you point me to the place in the video where the quote was taken from?

No idea bout the time index. Here's a quote instead.

"It's time now for you and me to become more politically mature and realize what the ballot is for; what we're supposed to get when we cast a ballot; and that if we don't cast a ballot, it's going to end up in a situation where we're going to have to cast a bullet. It's either a ballot or a bullet." - Malcolm X.

The irony here is that Malcolm X was speaking of a situation where most southern blacks were denied the ability to vote at all. The Tea Party is just pissed they didn't get their way after voting without incident, and are threatening violence out of petulance.

Malcolm X was talking about a situation of actual disenfranchisement. Not disappointment. It's important to understand that in order to understand why there is a HUGE difference between Malcolm X saying it and the Tea Party.

82 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:33:34am

re: #50 CuriousLurker

Crap, I wasn't gonna listen because I can't stand Limbaugh, but I guess now I have to.

OT - The guy who moved in upstairs is a total jackass. He's always screaming at his family and stomping around loudly. He complained to the super once that my cigarette smoke was wafting upstairs bothering him. Too bad; this is a privately owned unit and there are not any no smoking rules. Dude, maybe if you weren't such an asshat I'd consider opening a window or buying an air filter, but I think I'd prefer to let you suffer.

I don't allow Zedushka to smoke in the house. I'm planning on getting a new car next year and I have told him that he can't smoke in the garage anymore. My rather old car, which has never been smoked in by anyone, is completely contaminated just by living in the garage.

83 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:33:41am

re: #80 ContinentalOp

I should have noted on the message I just posted about John Jay, that his call for armed insurrection was published on his own blog, not Pam Geller's.

who is John Jay?

84 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:34:05am

re: #77 CuriousLurker

Soundproofing is actually pretty good—the girl next door sometimes plays music loudly, but I can barely hear it unless I get close to the wall. I'm not sure about insulation.

I lived in an apartment in Dallas that was so well sound proofed, that I had to use one of those little amplifier thing from radio Shack that you hold against the wall to hear the couple in the next apartment having sex.

85 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:34:22am

He sneaks cigarettes in the bathroom and he thinks I can't tell.

86 BishopX  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:34:29am

re: #70 BishopX

I was wrong, that flight was Boston to Washington. What airline does your friend work for?

87 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:34:31am

re: #83 albusteve

who is John Jay?

I thought he helped write the Federalist Papers.

88 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:35:15am

re: #87 Amory Blaine

I thought he helped write the Federalist Papers.

only one I know of

89 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:36:30am

re: #87 Amory Blaine

I thought he helped write the Federalist Papers.

And an ambassador, to England IIRC.

90 reidr  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:36:58am

I'm as much against hateful rhetoric as anyone, of course, but I hope that's just the start. Can we also do something about the lies and smears that have become standard practice? No inciting to take up arms over "death panels", but no "death panel" nonsense either! We are so far from honest debate over serious issues that I can't believe anything positive ever gets done.

91 mr.fusion  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:37:01am

re: #1 Charles

And yes, I absolutely am saying there's a connection between the election of a black President and the right wing going completely batshit insane. It's obvious.

No way.......it's just about the national debt

92 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:37:06am

re: #75 Walter L. Newton

LOL... I lived in Jersey for 10 years. I lived in NYC for 14 years.. everyone from Washington DC to Boston yells all the time. When did you start noticing :)

You know how we use to fix that? Yell louder.

I noticed when I lived in Brooklyn & Queens, and I did indeed learn to yell louder there, LOL.

I've only done it occasionally here as the culture is a bit different in this part of Jersey (I live in one of the Oranges). The culture seems to be changing though, so I may need to fall back on old habits soon.

93 Big Steve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:37:12am

re: #70 BishopX

thanks and it was a Delta flight

94 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:37:37am

Another moment of business joy. A lengthy diatribe received about how a customer never got the support he requested, to which the reply was "The files were sent on the 5th, here is the confirmation receipt and the customer's thank you for the speedy service" followed by a message recall and a "nevermind".

95 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:38:15am

re: #82 Alouette

I don't allow Zedushka to smoke in the house. I'm planning on getting a new car next year and I have told him that he can't smoke in the garage anymore. My rather old car, which has never been smoked in by anyone, is completely contaminated just by living in the garage.

Yeah, it seeps into everything.

96 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:38:57am

re: #40 CuriousLurker

Speaking of Malcolm X, Newt Gingrich is stomping his feet wanting to know why liberals are upset about this shooting but ignoring the threat of "American Islamists". I guess it's pissing him off that people have taken a break from freaking out about Muslims. After all, he's got a movie to sell. Focus, America, focus!

Here's what gets me about all that. The same people who are screaming about a lack of focus of "homegrown" threat from Muslims were whining a few months ago about Homeland Security's warning about the threat of "homegrown" anti-government extremists.

And, of course, I must have missed how "concerned" they were about "homegrown" militia-types after the OK City bombing.

97 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:39:33am

re: #92 CuriousLurker

I noticed when I lived in Brooklyn & Queens, and I did indeed learn to yell louder there, LOL.

I've only done it occasionally here as the culture is a bit different in this part of Jersey (I live in one of the Oranges). The culture seems to be changing though, so I may need to fall back on old habits soon.

I know your area. I loved further north of there, about 20 mile north of Dover, Lake Hopatcong. Yes, at lest in the 70's, your area was very bedroom community and quiet.

98 gamark  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:40:10am

re: #76 ralphieboy

Is there anything tyrannical or illegitimate about a government that is elected by voters in free and fair elections? It may be flawed in places, and it may not always produce the results we like, but the alternatives are not worth considering.

I don't think there is anything inherently tyrannical or illegitimate about a governement headed by a king, say. The ballot box gives the people the ability to vote out someone whom they have issues with, but I don't think it keeps tyrants out completely. And the "free and fair elections" qualifier is a big one. US elections are free to a point, but not completely so.

99 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:41:45am

re: #98 gamark

I don't think there is anything inherently tyrannical or illegitimate about a governement headed by a king, say. The ballot box gives the people the ability to vote out someone whom they have issues with, but I don't think it keeps tyrants out completely. And the "free and fair elections" qualifier is a big one. US elections are free to a point, but not completely so.

Not completely... we are not electing kings or queens... we elect plutocrats and kleptocrats... not much different.

100 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:41:58am

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

I know your area. I loved further north of there, about 20 mile north of Dover, Lake Hopatcong. Yes, at lest in the 70's, your area was very bedroom community and quiet.

I worked in Dover, at the Army R&D center. We lived in Vernon Valley, quite pretty countryside.

101 gamark  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:42:11am

re: #81 Fozzie Bear

Okay, so she didn't quote Malcom X. She just used the same ballot box / bullet box metaphor that has been used for a least 75 tears and probably a lot longer.

102 Big Steve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:43:25am

regarding Loughner.....does this mean we start profiling bald white guys? If so, I am going to have to add another hour to my time to catch flights.

103 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:43:54am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

I worked in Dover, at the Army R&D center. We lived in Vernon Valley, quite pretty countryside.

My mom worked as a waitress at the NCO club at Picatinney Arsenal.

104 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:45:08am

re: #101 gamark

Okay, so she didn't quote Malcom X. She just used the same ballot box / bullet box metaphor that has been used for a least 75 tears and probably a lot longer.

No, she wasn't quoting him directly. What she said was much worse than what Malcolm X said.

Malcom X said: either we are allowed to vote, or there will be violence.
She said: first we vote, and if that doesn't get us our way, then there will be violence.

Which one seems like a more legitimate grievance to you?

105 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:45:39am

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

My mom worked as a waitress at the NCO club at Picatinney Arsenal.

Cool--I worked as a barfly at the club. The place keeps changing its letterhead, but it's always really "Picatinny".

106 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:45:47am

re: #73 ContinentalOp

John Jay, who is a sometime guest blogger -- NOT a mere commenter -- on Pam Geller's blog, wrote i advocate armed insurrection to excise radical leftist politicians and marxism from our body politic, if necessary [. . .]
it is also clear that the present united states administration and democratic congress of the united states are hell bent for election to usurp, restrain and infringe our ancient liberties and rights, and that they fully intend to impose a european socialist state upon our politics. they are well on their way to achieving precisely that . . . they need removed from office, immediately, by any means necessary, including armed insurrection . . .

[Link: wintersoldier2008.typepad.com...]

I posted this on Ms Geller's blog, but she deleted the post. Jay also has posted instructions for making a nifty silenced sniper rifle.

John Jay is a founding member of the hate group run by Geller and Robert Spencer, SIOA. He has openly called for people to murder Muslims en masse.

107 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:46:49am

re: #92 CuriousLurker

I noticed when I lived in Brooklyn & Queens, and I did indeed learn to yell louder there, LOL.

I've only done it occasionally here as the culture is a bit different in this part of Jersey (I live in one of the Oranges). The culture seems to be changing though, so I may need to fall back on old habits soon.

The Oranges? Heh, I worked there for nearly 5 years; its really a very nice part of the NYC region. Perfect little commuter towns they are, complete with pretty village centers. Not known for having lots of smokers, but its certainly proof that asshat neighbors comes in liberal enclaves too!
:-)

108 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:46:59am

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

No, she wasn't quoting him directly. What she said was much worse than what Malcolm X said.

Malcom X said: either we are allowed to vote, or there will be violence.
She said: first we vote, and if that doesn't get us our way, then there will be violence.

Which one seems like a more legitimate grievance to you?

grievance mining...he said, she said....
who's John Jay the wannabe felon?

109 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:47:54am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Cool--I worked as a barfly at the club. The place keeps changing its letterhead, but it's always really "Picatinny".

Barfly... you mean you hung out there? The rock/dance band I had from 1970-74 played at the Picatinny NCO once a month for almost a year straight.

(P.S. I spelt it wrong. I should of looked it up. It even took me a minute to remember the name).

110 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:48:24am

re: #106 Charles

John Jay is a founding member of the hate group run by Geller and Robert Spencer, SIOA. He has openly called for people to murder Muslims en masse.

thanks for that....seems like he should have been arrested

111 Big Steve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:49:05am

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

No, she wasn't quoting him directly. What she said was much worse than what Malcolm X said.

Malcom X said: either we are allowed to vote, or there will be violence.
She said: first we vote, and if that doesn't get us our way, then there will be violence.

Which one seems like a more legitimate grievance to you?

the actual quote from X -

That's why, in 1964, it's time now for you and me to become more politically mature and realize what the ballot is for; what we're supposed to get when we cast a ballot; and that if we don't cast a ballot, it's going to end up in a situation where we're going to have to cast a bullet. It's either a ballot or a bullet.
112 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:49:14am

re: #108 albusteve

grievance mining...he said, she said...
who's John Jay the wannabe felon?

There's a huge difference between being excluded from the democratic process completely, and being pissed that the democratic process didn't get you a new pony.

But don't let that stop you from missing the point completely.

113 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:50:08am

Tea partiers invent conspiracy theory to claim they're the real victims....

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder


Trent Humphries says killings fallout is evolving into conspiracy to destroy Tea Party and silence criticism of government
114 gamark  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:50:15am

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

I wasn't making any judgement about legitimacy. You said she quoted Malcom X and I was looking to confirm it. She didn't.

115 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:51:38am

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

I know your area. I loved further north of there, about 20 mile north of Dover, Lake Hopatcong. Yes, at lest in the 70's, your area was very bedroom community and quiet.

The area where I live is pretty decent. Mostly quiet, pretty solidly middle class, largely African American with liberal doses of Haitians & Uruguayans, a smattering of West Africans and folks from various Central American & Caribbean countries (except almost no Puerto Ricans). It's rare to see Europeans, East Asians, South Asians, or Middle Easterners. It was kind of odd at first as I was used to a different mix in New York.

There is this one little stretch where there are cafes & restaurants with Italian names, and elderly men sit outside at tables talking & drinking coffee. I haven't figured out yet if they're actually Italians, or Uruguayans with their Italian cultural traditions.

116 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:51:52am

re: #112 Fozzie Bear

There's a huge difference between being excluded from the democratic process completely, and being pissed that the democratic process didn't get you a new pony.

But don't let that stop you from missing the point completely.

why do you assume I miss the point?

117 Ericus58  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:51:57am

re: #106 Charles

John Jay is a founding member of the hate group run by Geller and Robert Spencer, SIOA. He has openly called for people to murder Muslims en masse.

Whew! That's a relief! I thought you might have info on him being a bigot with murderous intent........ wait, what?!

118 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:52:38am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Tea partiers invent conspiracy theory to claim they're the real victims...

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder

Bastards

119 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:52:49am

re: #109 Walter L. Newton

Barfly... you mean you hung out there? The rock/dance band I had from 1970-74 played at the Picatinny NCO once a month for almost a year straight.

(P.S. I spelt it wrong. I should of looked it up. It even took me a minute to remember the name).

Always had lunch there. We civilians usually bailed at five, and left the place to it's few soldiers and the retirees. Until GEN Wickham put severe restrictions on Army drinking, guys would put down a couple pitchers at lunch and go back to their experimental explosives work. (Didn't catch your spelling, the organization just keeps reorganizing under different names. They made cannonballs for Washington, and have been trying to close the place ever since.)

120 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:53:30am

re: #115 CuriousLurker

The area where I live is pretty decent. Mostly quiet, pretty solidly middle class, largely African American with liberal doses of Haitians & Uruguayans, a smattering of West Africans and folks from various Central American & Caribbean countries (except almost no Puerto Ricans). It's rare to see Europeans, East Asians, South Asians, or Middle Easterners. It was kind of odd at first as I was used to a different mix in New York.

There is this one little stretch where there are cafes & restaurants with Italian names, and elderly men sit outside at tables talking & drinking coffee. I haven't figured out yet if they're actually Italians, or Uruguayans with their Italian cultural traditions.

I know where you are talking about... in the 60's - 70's they were Italians.

121 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:54:06am

Arizona lawmakers plan to block protesters within 300 feet of funerals

The Arizona Legislature is expected to pass legislation Tuesday that will bar protesters at funerals from getting within 300 feet of services, a spokesman for the state House said.

The action, according to House spokesman Daniel Scarpinato, is in direct response to a controversial church's announcement that it will picket the funeral of Christina Green, the 9-year-old who was among six people killed during Saturday's attempted assassination of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona.

122 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:54:12am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Tea partiers invent conspiracy theory to claim they're the real victims...

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder

That's Rush's line, too. "The whole liberal reaction is an attempt to silence ME ME ME!!!111!!

/happy eleventy day 1-11-11

123 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:55:07am

re: #107 Surabaya Stew

The Oranges? Heh, I worked there for nearly 5 years; its really a very nice part of the NYC region. Perfect little commuter towns they are, complete with pretty village centers. Not known for having lots of smokers, but its certainly proof that asshat neighbors comes in liberal enclaves too!
:-)

Heh, small world isn't it? I missed NYC badly when I first moved here, but the area has grown on me. Ugh, the guy upstairs just started ranting again. I guess we're even—I'll tolerate his asshattery if he'll quit whining about my smoke.

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:55:36am

re: #19 marjoriemoon

How about this gal? Catherine Crabill, Repub nominee in Virginia.

From Ballot Box to Bullet Box

[Video]

"If war is inevitable, than let it come. I repeat! Let it come! We have a chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box."

~feel the love~

She actually got the nomination. My God.

125 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:55:57am

re: #97 Walter L. Newton

I know your area. I loved further north of there, about 20 mile north of Dover, Lake Hopatcong. Yes, at lest in the 70's, your area was very bedroom community and quiet.

I have family in the area. Even as total New Yorker, I really apprechate those yearly visits; its such a wonderful part of the country, beautiful and friendly.

126 reidr  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:56:41am

re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bastards

So many wingnuts seem to have had lousy upbringings where they weren't taught right or wrong. Maybe too much focus on sports (and I kind of like sports) with coaches who taught that winning is everything. There's often no reasoning with them, because really, that's just one side's tactic to get their way.

127 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:57:30am

re: #122 wrenchwench


/happy eleventy day 1-11-11

Is that a wingnut religious holiday?

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:57:32am

re: #35 wlewisiii

There is probably a presumption that the evil dem gun grabbers will try to ban them so they better hurry up and get them now. Bet it's happening all over gun country the same way it was impossible to buy a box of ammunition in anything even remotely popular for about 18 months after Obama's election. Ammuntion supplies are only now getting back to normal.

The good part is, come the zombie apocalypse, everyone will be really well stocked.

129 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:57:36am

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arizona lawmakers plan to block protesters within 300 feet of funerals

I would support a law like this...free speech has it's limits and it's high time legislators start to rein in the lunatics...I wonder if the ACLU will back the bill

130 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:58:09am

re: #25 Fozzie Bear

[Video]

You have a hellofa memory!

131 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:58:20am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Tea partiers invent conspiracy theory to claim they're the real victims...

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder

Humphreys:

"For all the stuff they accuse her [Palin] of, that gun poster has not done a tenth of the damage to the political discourse as what we're hearing right now. There are people who are genuinely confused, scared, and I understand it. But there are also people who are deliberately manipulating this event and tragedy for political ends."

"Oh, no, our rhetoric wasn't harmful. It's the people SAYING our rhetoric was harmful--that's what's harmful!"

132 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:59:19am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Always had lunch there. We civilians usually bailed at five, and left the place to it's few soldiers and the retirees. Until GEN Wickham put severe restrictions on Army drinking, guys would put down a couple pitchers at lunch and go back to their experimental explosives work. (Didn't catch your spelling, the organization just keeps reorganizing under different names. They made cannonballs for Washington, and have been trying to close the place ever since.)

I know... the place really should be a national monument or something... it's as old as the country.

I remember jokes about the amount of boozing that went on in that club, and they guys working with the ammo...

Of course, the band worked evenings... one weekend a month, they would have a dance, never largely attended, but I guess it was for the soldiers who didn't have a weekend pass or what ever.

My Mom worked the meal shifts there, and then special dinners and events... the band even picked up an event gig off and on from the club.

I have to take back the "playing for one year" part. I was sitting here thinking, we couldn't have play there once a month for a year... we had too many night club gigs and wedding receptions to do... but I know we played their as often as we were available for the monthly dances.

Small world.

133 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:59:24am

re: #123 CuriousLurker

Heh, small world isn't it? I missed NYC badly when I first moved here, but the area has grown on me. Ugh, the guy upstairs just started ranting again. I guess we're even—I'll tolerate his asshattery if he'll quit whining about my smoke.

Heh, I feel for you even though I'm a pretty firm anti-smoker! And yes, the area grew on me enough to not want to leave the job after the 3rd year, when it was clear that I didn't want a carear there. Still miss it at times; nearly all my fellow architects were former New Yorkers, and I was the only one doing the reverse commute. Would go out for lunch, walk down to the town park, and feed the ducks at the pond my pizza crusts! Total opposite to the pressure mill I work at now....

134 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 11:59:27am

re: #39 Fozzie Bear

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

100 yards???
Should be 100 miles!

135 Kragar  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:00:11pm

How low can Wikileaks go? Julian Assange’s sick attempt to exploit the Arizona shootings

the piėce de resistance from Assange himself:

WikiLeaks spokesman Julian Assange said: “No organisation anywhere in the world is a more devoted advocate of free speech than Wikileaks but when senior politicians and attention seeking media commentators call for specific individuals or groups of people to be killed they should be charged with incitement — to murder. Those who call for an act of murder deserve as significant share of the guilt as those raising a gun to pull the trigger.”

Wikileaks, which has had no reservations at all about putting the lives of American diplomats, servicemen and informants at risk, and whose leaks have provided highly sensitive information for terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda to exploit, is now pathetically presenting itself as some kind of victim. But most pathetic of all, is Assange crudely attempting to paint himself in the same light as a brave Congresswoman who is now fighting for her life in a Tucson hospital. This is sick exploitation of a national tragedy which took six lives, and a new low for an organisation which one would have thought could not sink any lower.

136 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:01:13pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

Walter....The "Wedding Singer"...I may have to ponder that a minute!
LOL

137 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:01:14pm

re: #132 Walter L. Newton

I'd have missed your gig anyway, didn't get there until around '76.

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:02:49pm

re: #40 CuriousLurker

Speaking of Malcolm X, Newt Gingrich is stomping his feet wanting to know why liberals are upset about this shooting but ignoring the threat of "American Islamists". I guess it's pissing him off that people have taken a break from freaking out about Muslims. After all, he's got a movie to sell. Focus, America, focus!

Newt,

As an American liberal, I am able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I continue to be concerned about the ongoing attempts of jihadis foreign and domestic to damage the United States, and appreciate the good work done by the FBI and law enforcement to make sure their plans do not come to fruition.

Nevertheless, I feel that I am entitled to spend a couple of weeks being concerned each and every time a federal judge is assassinated, and/or a member of the U.S. Congress shot in the head, and/or several people, including a child and senior citizens are murdered at a neighborhood political event. Given that, I expect to be obsessed with this situation for about six weeks.

Thanks for your concern,

SFZ

139 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:04:09pm

re: #120 Walter L. Newton

I know where you are talking about... in the 60's - 70's they were Italians.

You know what fascinate me? The beautiful old churches. Most of them have old graveyards and I like to read the headstones and wonder what those people's lives were like since they lived here & walked these streets once, just like me.... what were their stories? Does any living person still remember them? Used to do that in NYC too.

Yeah, I have an overactive imagination.

140 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:04:49pm

re: #136 reloadingisnotahobby

Walter...The "Wedding Singer"...I may have to ponder that a minute!
LOL

My band was one of the "go to" bands in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, PA) up in that northern corner area of Jersey for wedding receptions, events and night clubs. We usually headline for 4-6 months in any given club... I got the newspaper ads to prove it :) We were a mix music style band (that's why I call it a dance band).. from rock to polkas... had the band from 70-74, then I played in other bands in Texas from 74-82... stopped plying out after than.

141 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:05:04pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Newt,

As an American liberal, I am able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I continue to be concerned about the ongoing attempts of jihadis foreign and domestic to damage the United States, and appreciate the good work done by the FBI and law enforcement to make sure their plans do not come to fruition.

Nevertheless, I feel that I am entitled to spend a couple of weeks being concerned each and every time a federal judge is assassinated, and/or a member of the U.S. Congress shot in the head, and/or several people, including a child and senior citizens are murdered at a neighborhood political event. Given that, I expect to be obsessed with this situation for about six weeks.

Thanks for your concern,

SFZ

my grievance is bigger than your grievance...some real leadership there, boy

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:05:17pm

re: #49 BishopX

Tombstone didn't allow guns in bars...

After the fifth or sixth time you gotta send back East for one of them fancy mirrors and more chairs, you get smart.

143 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:05:47pm

re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist

Nice!

144 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:05:52pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

You know what fascinate me? The beautiful old churches. Most of them have old graveyards and I like to read the headstones and wonder what those people's lives were like since they lived here & walked these streets once, just like me... what were their stories? Does any living person still remember them? Used to do that in NYC too.

Yeah, I have an overactive imagination.

Central and northern Jersey is great for colonial and revolutionary wars history and sites... you'll find some really old grave markers in some of those places.

145 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:06:32pm

re: #26 elizajane

I completely agree with this. I even think it might be worse.

Unless you have Republican, Rush-listening family members as do I, you might not remember the almost insane hatred of Bill Clinton that was just ready to resurface iced with misogyny at the prospect of Hilary. In fact, I think the hatred would have come faster if she'd been the nominee, much less the elected president.

The right didn't quite know what to do with a black man during the election. Oh sure, Palin pointed the way, but a lot of further fancy-footing and reaching for metaphors was necessary; really it took a few months (!) after the election for the full narrative to be formed. With Hilary it was already there. There is virtually no limit on how direct, crude, violent and hateful your public rhetoric can be about a woman, like there is with an African-American.

I'm behind in reading, but it's a busy day!

If this wasn't already addressed, I find it rather hysterical that they're all drooling over themselves now to say that they wish Hillary had won. The rhetoric against her was horrifying. Who on the Left ever called Palin a lesbian? Wha, she's too pretty to be a lesbian? I never got the "lesbian" smear of Hillary unless it's just more part of calling a person a "f**". (You're gay, you're stupid, etc.)

Anyway, golly gee, but don't they just LOVE her now. Yikes!

146 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:06:55pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

You know what fascinate me? The beautiful old churches. Most of them have old graveyards and I like to read the headstones and wonder what those people's lives were like since they lived here & walked these streets once, just like me... what were their stories? Does any living person still remember them? Used to do that in NYC too.

Yeah, I have an overactive imagination.

Slightly OT: Ever check out the old Revolutionary War graveyard in Millburn? Its hard up against a modern-day intersection in the western part of the town (Short Hills) and I always wanted to get out of the car and check out the inscriptions. Would it be that those stone could talk!

147 albusteve  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:07:02pm

re: #144 Walter L. Newton

Central and northern Jersey is great for colonial and revolutionary wars history and sites... you'll find some really old grave markers in some of those places.

I love the Washington Slept Here tours

148 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:07:14pm

re: #140 Walter L. Newton

My band was one of the "go to" bands in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, PA) up in that northern corner area of Jersey for wedding receptions, events and night clubs. We usually headline for 4-6 months in any given club... I got the newspaper ads to prove it :) We were a mix music style band (that's why I call it a dance band).. from rock to polkas... had the band from 70-74, then I played in other bands in Texas from 74-82... stopped plying out after than.

Did you play the Kosiusczko Club, off-post? "Hunky Heaven".

149 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:07:44pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Question #1
Is shooting a Paint Ball at any one considered assualt with a deadly weapon...or simple assualt?( In Arizona)
If no...Question #2
How far will a really good paint ball gun reach?
What mods can be made legally?
...I'm not considering violence...Just day dreaming!

150 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:08:47pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

You know what fascinate me? The beautiful old churches. Most of them have old graveyards and I like to read the headstones and wonder what those people's lives were like since they lived here & walked these streets once, just like me... what were their stories? Does any living person still remember them? Used to do that in NYC too.

Yeah, I have an overactive imagination.


There should be a way to have updings on speed dial for you.

151 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:09:47pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Tea partiers invent conspiracy theory to claim they're the real victims...

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder

That guy needs a smack upside the head. Oh, wait - that's advocating violence, isn't it? Now I'm the same as Sharron Angle. ////

152 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:09:58pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Did you play the Kosiusczko Club, off-post? "Hunky Heaven".

In Pa.? Don't think so...

153 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:11:04pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

Tea partiers invent conspiracy theory to claim they're the real victims...

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder

No, Mr. Humphries. The people who are dead or injured are victims. You and I are only victims in the sense that the American way of life was attacked.

Shut up and be thankful you lost no one. I am.

154 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:11:17pm

re: #150 BongCrodny

There should be a way to have updings on speed dial for you.


No offense, Lurker, but that one was meant for SFZ. :-)

My roomie came in and started babbling and I completely lost my train of thought -- although, these days, that's not an uncommon occurrence.

155 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:11:30pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

In Pa.? Don't think so...

Or Burlington?

156 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:11:47pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

In Pa.? Don't think so...

No, a bit out of Picatinny. I think the place might have been inside Denville.

157 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:12:57pm

re: #146 Surabaya Stew

Slightly OT: Ever check out the old Revolutionary War graveyard in Millburn? Its hard up against a modern-day intersection in the western part of the town (Short Hills) and I always wanted to get out of the car and check out the inscriptions. Would it be that those stone could talk!

No, I haven't. I don't have a car, so I mostly only go where I MUST as I'm on a local NJT train stop, so the trains are few & far between (and stop running early). Buses take forever and taxis can get wicked expensive if you have to go very far.

I'll definitely keep Millburn in mind though as I love history—maybe next time a friend with a car is in the area, we can go there.

158 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13:04pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

No, a bit out of Picatinny. I think the place might have been inside Denville.

I know Denville real good too. I marched with the Denville String Band from 1966-1974. I don't remember ever playing any gig in Denville with my dance band.

159 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13:20pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

In Quaker ,Pa....Driving down by a river...A flash of color caught me eye.
I backed up and in the trees near an old road were several tattered flags.
I had to work at it but found 9 markers .Unable to date them ,too
worn out.....My Imagination was in 5th gear for the rest of the day.

160 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:13:40pm

re: #121 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Arizona lawmakers plan to block protesters within 300 feet of funerals

Since I suppose the Arizona lawmakers cannot actually pass the law relating to this that I would like to see passed (and which would probably get me booted from the site if I were to describe it in detail), that will do.

161 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:14:08pm

I have to go get my talking point... sublimely of course... I lay down, put on some headphones, turn on Rush and fall asleep... I wake up programmed and really for another go round on the intertubes...

Nap time... later.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:14:28pm

re: #129 albusteve

I would support a law like this...free speech has it's limits and it's high time legislators start to rein in the lunatics...I wonder if the ACLU will back the bill

Probably not. The ACLU are purists.

I am too. Some of the time.

This is not one of those times.

163 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:15:14pm

re: #154 BongCrodny

No offense, Lurker, but that one was meant for SFZ. :-)

My roomie came in and started babbling and I completely lost my train of thought -- although, these days, that's not an uncommon occurrence.

None taken. ;)

164 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:15:42pm

BBL

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:16:09pm

re: #141 albusteve

my grievance is bigger than your grievance...some real leadership there, boy

Islamic terrorism isn't even a grievance--it's just an ongoing problem that we have to deal with. Why it should serve as some sort of counterweight to another act of terrorism baffles me.

166 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:16:45pm

re: #96 Talking Point Detective

Here's what gets me about all that. The same people who are screaming about a lack of focus of "homegrown" threat from Muslims were whining a few months ago about Homeland Security's warning about the threat of "homegrown" anti-government extremists.

And, of course, I must have missed how "concerned" they were about "homegrown" militia-types after the OK City bombing.

Exactly. great points.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:17:04pm

re: #145 marjoriemoon

I'm behind in reading, but it's a busy day!

If this wasn't already addressed, I find it rather hysterical that they're all drooling over themselves now to say that they wish Hillary had won. The rhetoric against her was horrifying. Who on the Left ever called Palin a lesbian? Wha, she's too pretty to be a lesbian? I never got the "lesbian" smear of Hillary unless it's just more part of calling a person a "f**". (You're gay, you're stupid, etc.)

Anyway, golly gee, but don't they just LOVE her now. Yikes!

I did see a supermarket-tabloid cover with a story about "Palin's Lesbian Secret" a little while ago.

168 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:18:25pm

re: #159 reloadingisnotahobby

In Quaker ,Pa...Driving down by a river...A flash of color caught me eye.
I backed up and in the trees near an old road were several tattered flags.
I had to work at it but found 9 markers .Unable to date them ,too
worn out...My Imagination was in 5th gear for the rest of the day.

Ooo, I would've been beside myself with curiosity!

169 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:19:14pm
Pressed on whether he was concerned when he heard Giffords's warning about Palin's use of gunsights and calls for supporters not to retreat but "reload" in fighting Democrats, Humphries did not retreat. "It's political gamesmanship. The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?" he said.

This son of a bitch is saying that it's Giffords' own fault that she got shot?

I'm beyond belief here. These scum will literally say anything to get the blame off themselves.

170 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:19:21pm

re: #157 CuriousLurker

No, I haven't. I don't have a car, so I mostly only go where I MUST as I'm on a local NJT train stop, so the trains are few & far between (and stop running early). Buses take forever and taxis can get wicked expensive if you have to go very far.

I'll definitely keep Millburn in mind though as I love history—maybe next time a friend with a car is in the area, we can go there.

Yeah, it certainly describes the routine I was used to! Once you get out of walking distance of the Morris and Essex line, the Oranges (and like communities) get to be a real drag. Millburn has some good historic sites and attractive houses (including some that I helped design-shamless plug), but they aren't located in a walking zone with the exception of the Wyoming Ave Historic district, the downtown, and the country club area by the Short Hills station (cool McKim, Meed and White house there)! So yes, take a friend's car, travel around Millburn and enjoy the sights/architecture/history, and at the end treat yourselves to a Gobbler sandwich at the Millburn Deli (I'm pretty sure the stuffing is pork free). :-D

171 BongCrodny  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:24:53pm

re: #169 makeitstop

This son of a bitch is saying that it's Giffords' own fault that she got shot?

I'm beyond belief here. These scum will literally say anything to get the blame off themselves.


These guys always talk about how "an armed society is a polite society," but unless you take steps to protect yourself against that so-called "polite society," it's your fault if anything happens.

172 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:25:11pm

re: #170 Surabaya Stew

Yeah, it certainly describes the routine I was used to! Once you get out of walking distance of the Morris and Essex line, the Oranges (and like communities) get to be a real drag. Millburn has some good historic sites and attractive houses (including some that I helped design-shamless plug), but they aren't located in a walking zone with the exception of the Wyoming Ave Historic district, the downtown, and the country club area by the Short Hills station (cool McKim, Meed and White house there)! So yes, take a friend's car, travel around Millburn and enjoy the sights/architecture/history, and at the end treat yourselves to a Gobbler sandwich at the Millburn Deli (I'm pretty sure the stuffing is pork free). :-D

Your description is wonderful. Now I'm itching to see it! The Gobbler sounds yummy.

Gah, why do I always use so many unnecessary commas? Gotta stop the stream of consciousness style writing and pay more attention.

173 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:26:10pm

Taxi's here. Gotta run....

174 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:27:21pm

re: #169 makeitstop

This son of a bitch is saying that it's Giffords' own fault that she got shot?

I'm beyond belief here. These scum will literally say anything to get the blame off themselves.

Where did you get that? Who said that? She wasn't in fear of anyone or anything. That's why she was so open. Why she had these talks.

I'm telling ya, people are just pulling shit outa their asses at this point. A Democrat Congresswoman gets shot, a 9 yr old girl is murdered in cold blood and The Newt responds by screaming, "DON'T FORGET ABOUT ISLAM!" Freaking disconnected from reality, the lot of them.

175 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:28:16pm

re: #172 CuriousLurker

Your description is wonderful. Now I'm itching to see it! The Gobbler sounds yummy.

It is quite good; just don't be supprised at the reaction when you order it!
;-)

re: #173 CuriousLurker

Taxi's here. Gotta run...

And I'm back to work, TTFN!

176 What, me worry?  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:29:07pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

I did see a supermarket-tabloid cover with a story about "Palin's Lesbian Secret" a little while ago.

Oh I love it. Was it Margaret Cho? Ooo that girl wants to get down and nasty with Palin. Have you seen her stand up? My mother, my dear sweet, religious mother called me hysterical about her (Margaret, not Sarah).

177 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:30:28pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

The good part is, come the zombie apocalypse, everyone will be really well stocked.

The Zombie Apocalypse has already happened. Instead of eating our BWAINZ! they're trying to make us eat Truth.

178 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:30:54pm

Of Course It Was Political: The phony debate about assassins like Jared Loughner

Whether medically composed or deranged, whether legally sane or insane, assassins train their consuming energies and hatreds on politicians not for purely arbitrary reasons but because politics matters to them—usually far out of proportion to the actual power of their victims.

179 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:51:24pm

re: #174 marjoriemoon

Where did you get that? Who said that? She wasn't in fear of anyone or anything. That's why she was so open. Why she had these talks.

That's from the Guardian article about the co-founder of the AZ Tea Party that Killgore posted earlier. He seems to be upset because after the sheriff called out - wait, he didn't call out anyone by name. But this guy is still upset because he got a few angry emails.

Poor baby. These TP a-holes can dish it out, but they sure as hell can' take it.

180 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 12:52:33pm

Ack. Can't take it.

181 palomino  Tue, Jan 11, 2011 1:22:58pm

re: #1 Charles

And yes, I absolutely am saying there's a connection between the election of a black President and the right wing going completely batshit insane. It's obvious.

The only thing that makes it worse is that his international background incites xenophobia on top of racism.

"Myrtle, can you believe we elected a foreign n-word Muslim terrorist sympathizer as president of our once great country. We have to do whatever it takes to stop his govt takeover of every aspect of our lives." That disgusting drivel is what now passes for discourse on the right.

182 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:29:01am

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