Sharron Angle: Accusing Me of Violent Rhetoric Could Cause Violence

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The emergence of Sarah Palin from her bunker has emboldened Nevada’s Sharron Angle to throw her hate (oops! I mean “hat”) into the ring.

Infamous for invoking “Second Amendment remedies” repeatedly in her campaign speeches, Angle now whines that her First Amendment rights are being “infringed upon” — because she’s being criticized.

“Expanding the context of the attack to blame and to infringe upon the people’s Constitutional liberties is both dangerous and ignorant,” she said.

And of course, the other mandatory Palinesque inversion: she also says that criticizing her violent rhetoric could cause violence.

“The irresponsible assignment of blame to me, Sarah Palin or the Tea Party movement by commentators and elected officials puts all who gather to redress grievances in danger.”

All this right wing pretzel logic is starting to give me a headache.

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510 comments
1 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:55:04am

I .. wait … what?

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:55:32am

The point is they always have one last argument up their sleeve, and it is made of lead

3 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:56:44am

You didn’t win your election can you please report back to whatever spaceship you beamed down from and never show your face in the public eye again?

4 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:57:26am

What is dangerous and ignorant is people with no critical thinking skills advocating to others without any critical thinking skills to take up arms.

5 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:57:30am

After reading this, I feel about this intelligent.

Youtube Video


My brain hurts.

6 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:57:42am

So… violent rhetoric doesn’t cause violence, but if you accuse someone of using violent rhetoric, that might cause violence?

I feel like i’m taking crazy pills or something.

7 elizajane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:59:04am

Thank you Harry Reid for saving Nevada and the nation from this woman.

8 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:59:20am

re: #2 ralphieboy

The point is they always have one last argument up their sleeve, and it is made of lead

so it is plumbiferous not pretzel logic

9 Locker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:59:31am

Predictable. If I do it, it’s fine, if you do it, it’s wrong. Hello America, I’m a wing nut!

10 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:59:48am

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

So… violent rhetoric doesn’t cause violence, but if you accuse someone of using violent rhetoric, that might cause violence?

I feel like i’m taking crazy pills or something.

Yeah, it’s like, “Umm, is there a map that goes with that?”

11 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:00:24pm

These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!

//

12 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:01:22pm

There’s a crack in the chronosynclastic infundibulum and all these characters are leaking over from Bizarro world.

13 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:01:28pm

re: #9 Locker

Predictable. If I do it, it’s fine, if you do it, it’s wrong. Hello America, I’m a wing nut!

Didn’t you know? It’s OK if you’re a Republican.

14 elizajane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:02:36pm

re: #13 Lidane

Didn’t you know? It’s OK if you’re a Republican.

It’s OK if you’re a Republican because then you’re an oppressed minority and have to fight for your rights.
///

15 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:04:21pm

Someone should explain to Anglethat others have First Amendment rights too.
If you say something vile and ignorant, others have the right to criticize you and your words.

16 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:04:27pm

re: #11 brownbagj

These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!

//

That’s how they get people to drink the tea.

17 Locker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:04:44pm

The other thing I find hilarious is that Angle and ESPECIALLY Palin have, repeatedly, used the whole “criticizing me is a violation of my first amendment rights” bullshit without so much as batting an eye. They know about as much about the first amendment as O’Donnell knows about the separation of church and state.

18 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:05:19pm

what a wild ride this has been…what’s next?
I have never seen so much twisted, convoluted bullshit in all my days…this must be some highwater mark…best scenario is that somewhere in this monumental pileup, the GOP elements that have been the major player, crash and burn…if this all blows by and returns to the status quo, I’m splitting for Jamaica…this whole thing is beyond belief and I’m such a pushover, I’d believe anything….it’s become an epic free for all

19 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:05:22pm

SHouldn’t it be called the ‘Pretzel Wing Party?’

20 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:05:26pm

The Tea Party is so crazy, reactionary, paranoid, and stupid, that they have managed to self-immolate in the most fantastic possible way, all the way totally convinced that somebody else is doing it to them.

From a psychological perspective, this is absolutely fascinating.

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:06:17pm

re: #7 elizajane

Thank you Harry Reid for saving Nevada and the nation from this woman.

Really, Harry didn’t do so much.

The Republicans would have had that seat, I’m pretty sure, if they had fielded someone who was not Sharron Angle.

The Tea Party, as far as I can see, actively impeded what should otherwise have been a sweep of both houses.

22 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:06:19pm

This is some new kind of stupid, never before seen in nature.

23 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:06:55pm

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

uh, uh, uh. No psychological analysis allowed on the interwebz.

/

24 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:25pm

This is like leaping headlong into a bonfire screaming “why are you throwing me in the fire?!!?!?!”, while everybody else standing around is scratching their heads wondering WTF they just witnessed.

25 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:29pm

re: #7 elizajane

Thank you Harry Reid for saving Nevada and the nation from this woman.

Thank you Nevadans

26 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:07:50pm

It’s like a critical mass of stupidity and ignorance.

On any other day I’d laugh at these people. But seeing them so determined to essentially re-cast reality in order to make their opinions and former statements less offensive and dangerous, I don’t feel too much like laughing today.

27 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:08:34pm

re: #18 albusteve


I have never seen so much twisted, convoluted bullshit in all my days…this must be some highwater mark

High Water Mark indeed. Have an upding.

28 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:09:22pm

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

The Tea Party is so crazy, reactionary, paranoid, and stupid, that they have managed to self-immolate in the most fantastic possible way, all the way totally convinced that somebody else is doing it to them.

From a psychological perspective, this is absolutely fascinating.



agreed

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:10:55pm

You have the right to say what you wish.

I have to right to say about what you said as I wish.

Neither one of us should stand next to a crazy-eyed man and whisper in his ear, “Look over there. Don’t they look like they’re out to get you? Maybe you should do something about it.”

30 mr.JA  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:11:01pm

Did anyone see John Steward’s commentary on the shooting? I thought it was really very good, it was one of the best responses I’ve seen.
It can be found here, I don’t have a clue how (or if) I can embed it here…:

Comedy Central Video
31 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:11:24pm

I have never been so happy a Democrat won an election than when Angle lost. It overshadows my satisfaction that Obama won even though I voted for McCain. An interesting time indeed.

32 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:11:39pm

When I was younger, I remember liberals were always accused of having a “victim mentality”. My, how times have changed.

33 dmon  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:11:57pm

re: #30 mr.JA

It’s sad when a comedian is the most sensible commentator America has to offer

34 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:12:04pm

re: #11 brownbagj

These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!

//

ROFL!

Golly, one would think they’re afraid of being shot at or something.

35 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:12:12pm

I’m sure Fank Luntz’s creepy pudgy fingers are all over this shit.

36 Tony (New Zealand)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:13:08pm

Loughner’s friend says Loughner was neither right wing nor left-wing, did drugs, and believes the movie Zeitgeist had a profound impact on his mindset.

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

That figures.

37 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:13:34pm

Oh, FFS.

Pat Buchanan: Sarah Palin’s Use Of Blood Libel Was ‘Excellent’

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:13:57pm

re: #33 dmon

It’s sad when a comedian is the most sensible commentator America has to offer

One of the jester’s important roles in medieval courts was to say what no one else could, in the form of a joke.

39 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:15:33pm

re: #37 makeitstop

Of course Crazy Uncle Pat would think that. He’s made a career out of being a raging anti-Semite.

40 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:15:37pm

this i a full blown retreat from reality…credibility and responsibility are dead…one can only hope that when the vast middle finally catches up with this phenom, they will reject this (what can you call it?) at the polls, not that I’m holding my breath…the lunatics are on the loose and they have the keys

41 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:16:18pm

re: #32 tnguitarist

When I was younger, I remember liberals were always accused of having a “victim mentality”. My, how times have changed.

Not really…….liberals are still accused of the victim mentality —— it’s just that the Rovian way is to now accuse your opponent of doing something while you yourself are doing it.

42 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:16:22pm

re: #32 tnguitarist

When I was younger, I remember liberals were always accused of having a “victim mentality”. My, how times have changed.

Yes, I was taught all about liberalism by conservatives. The hypocrisy of the last few days has led me to question my early political upbringing and those whose opinions I used to value.

43 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:16:35pm

re: #37 makeitstop

Oh, FFS.

Pat Buchanan: Sarah Palin’s Use Of Blood Libel Was ‘Excellent’

“Buchanan offered a full-throated defense of Palin, who he said “is not a dispenser of hate, she’s a victim of hate.”“

/SPIT

44 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:16:49pm

re: #39 Lidane

Of course Crazy Uncle Pat would think that. He’s made a career out of being a raging anti-Semite.

I guess all that’s left is to ask Mel Gibson what he thinks. /

45 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:17:32pm

re: #37 makeitstop

Oh, FFS.

Pat Buchanan: Sarah Palin’s Use Of Blood Libel Was ‘Excellent’

Three cheers for the anti-Semite.

Hip hip!

You suck!

Hip hip!

You suck!

Ok, 2 cheers.

46 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:18:08pm

This is amazing. They are just destroying themselves. I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

47 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:19:04pm

re: #32 tnguitarist

When I was younger, I remember liberals were always accused of having a “victim mentality”. My, how times have changed.

IOKIYAR

Palin is the biggest victim out there, but that seems to be OK with both the media and her “flaying monkey minions” because they are victims…victims of the brown man or the dems or atheists or, well the list can go on and on.

48 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:19:23pm

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

Implosion? Possible.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:19:40pm

re: #36 Tony (New Zealand)

Loughner’s friend says Loughner was neither right wing nor left-wing, did drugs, and believes the movie Zeitgeist had a profound impact on his mindset.

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

That figures.

He has a lot of “friends” who haven’t seen him in a few years….

50 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:20:31pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

He has a lot of “friends” who haven’t seen him in a few years…

It’s the most friends I’ve ever known a loner to have.

51 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:21:21pm

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

This is amazing. They are just destroying themselves. I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

I’ll agree that I’ve never seen anything like this. But due to the current media climate in this country, I’ll hold judgment on the ‘destroying themselves’ part.

Many times in the past I’ve thought that only to be proven wrong. An accommodating media machine can work wonders.

52 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:21:31pm

re: #45 marjoriemoon

Three cheers for the anti-Semite.

Hip hip!

You suck!

Hip hip!

You suck!

Ok, 2 cheers.

You are aware of the Anti-Semitic origins of the phrase “Hip Hip” are you not?

53 Tony (New Zealand)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:21:42pm

Sorry to disturb all the hyperbole and frothing at the mouth over Sarah Palin’s use of the term “Blood Libel”, but….

Loughner’s friend says Loughner was neither right wing nor left-wing, did drugs, and believes the movie Zeitgeist had a profound impact on his mindset.

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

54 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:22:29pm

re: #53 Tony (New Zealand)

second verse, same as the first

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:23:04pm

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

This is amazing. They are just destroying themselves. I’ve never seen anything quite like it.

The GOP has dragged itself into the bathroom and is hurling. They’ll feel much better after they get all that out of their systems, and have a nice glass of orange juice and Sprite. Once they’re over the Tea Flu, we can get back to governing and stuff.

56 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:23:08pm

re: #50 tnguitarist

It’s the most friends I’ve ever known a loner to have.

“I haven’t seen the guy in years. Here, interview me while I spill detailed knowledge about a guy I barely knew 3 years ago.”

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:24:01pm

re: #53 Tony (New Zealand)

Here come the talking point parrots again.

That’s about the 2000th time someone has tried to float that bullshit since Saturday.

58 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:25:23pm

re: #53 Tony (New Zealand)

Thanks for showing up again, though, after nearly four years.

59 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:25:51pm

re: #48 PhillyPretzel

Implosion? Possible.

a possibility, but hardly a done deal…far from it…like SFZ said, Palin has taken on a quasi divine character and she has the armor of the media and other powerful leaders to shield her…just unreal how sanity is so easily swept away, replaced with an imposed paradigm of election and influence…dead people don’t matter…maintaining a power base, used for re-election trumps ordinary decency

60 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:25:59pm

Image: sleeper.jpg

61 Merkin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:23pm

Don’t forget that if their violent rhetoric incites only the mentally disturbed to action it is not their responsibility. And of course, anyone who would be inspired to violence by their rhetoric is, by their definition, mentally disturbed, so they are completely in the clear. So it only follows that criticism of their rhetoric would incite only the sane to violence so that violence is fully the responsibility of the critics.
My brain is hurting. I need happy thoughts.

62 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:23pm

re: #44 makeitstop

I guess all that’s left is to ask Mel Gibson what he thinks. /

Can we not? And then not say we did?

63 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:27pm

re: #60 Charles

64 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:43pm

Damn HTML

Youtube Video
65 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:55pm

Dershowitz defends Palin’s use of “blood libel”:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

That’s disappointing.

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:27:55pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

He has a lot of “friends” who haven’t seen him in a few years…

I can sort of see that, though. You go to high school with someone, they’re kind of weird—they turn up years later, when you’re getting out of college, and kill a bunch of people—you’re going to try to piece together what you knew of them then.

And in our ridiculously fame and media obsessed society, you’re going to go on some TV show to talk about it.

And then you’re going to say, “No, when we were sixteen he wasn’t a hardcore anti-Obama kind of guy. He really liked this movie. I guess we were all kinda liberal…we wanted pot to be legalized.”

And then your words will be posted furiously on LGF by someone who feels we all need to know he was a liberal.

67 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:28:08pm

re: #34 marjoriemoon

ROFL!

Golly, one would think they’re afraid of being shot at or something.

I should probably add to that.

They had no problems spewing out violent rhetoric and imagery before. In fact, it seemed like a game on just how nasty one could get over the other.

Now that the unspeakable has happened, they’re shaking in their boots because they finally get it, well, at least at some level that with the crazy gun laws in this country, they could, indeed, be the object of some crazed psycho.

Gun laws mean nothing? The folks in the gun shop said they thought he looked a little nuts, but they had no choice. What a crock of bullshit. It’s Arizona. You ain’t no kind of Amerrrrican if you ain’t packin.

Look, if some little baker in Shoprite in New Jersey decided against putting “Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler” on a birthday cake, you can refuse a gun sale. I don’t buy that shit for a minute.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:28:19pm

re: #53 Tony (New Zealand)

Sorry to disturb all the hyperbole and frothing at the mouth over Sarah Palin’s use of the term “Blood Libel”, but…

Loughner’s friend says Loughner was neither right wing nor left-wing, did drugs, and believes the movie Zeitgeist had a profound impact on his mindset.

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

I rest my case.

69 charlz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:28:42pm

Haven’t seen this posted yet, just out from FAIR:
whole-lot-of-lone-nuts

“These individuals no doubt have a range of relationships to reality, and their ideologies may likewise vary from Tea Party orthodoxy to idiosyncratic conspiracy mania. (One person on the list appears to be a genuine ecoterrorist.) But it’s hard to deny that this seems like a remarkable amount of political violence in a little more than two-and-a-half years. (This impression is bolstered statistically by reports that the Secret Service has had to deal with a 400 percent increase in threats against the president, that U.S. Marshals are facing double the number of threats against judges and prosecutors, and that Capitol Police found that threats against congressmembers tripled in the first quarter of 2010.)”

70 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:28:48pm

re: #52 Alouette

You are aware of the Anti-Semitic origins of the phrase “Hip Hip” are you not?

Apparently no, I wasn’t!

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:25pm

re: #61 Merkin

Don’t forget that if their violent rhetoric incites only the mentally disturbed to action it is not their responsibility. And of course, anyone who would be inspired to violence by their rhetoric is, by their definition, mentally disturbed, so they are completely in the clear. So it only follows that criticism of their rhetoric would incite only the sane to violence so that violence is fully the responsibility of the critics.
My brain is hurting. I need happy thoughts.

Welcome, newbie. Are you proud to be a Merkin?

//

72 Sionainn  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:31pm

re: #18 albusteve

I’m splitting for Jamaica…

Don’t forget your ride.

73 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:50pm

re: #65 Obdicut

Dershowitz defends Palin’s use of “blood libel”:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

That’s disappointing.

yes it is…he is a great mind

74 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:29:50pm

Sharron Angle is truely beyond the Palin.

(I’m trying to start a meme here folks, help me out)

75 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:30:34pm

re: #74 HAL2010

Sharron Angle is truely beyond the Palin.

(I’m trying to start a meme here folks, help me out)

A whiter shade of Palin?

76 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:30:43pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I can sort of see that, though. You go to high school with someone, they’re kind of weird—they turn up years later, when you’re getting out of college, and kill a bunch of people—you’re going to try to piece together what you knew of them then.

And in our ridiculously fame and media obsessed society, you’re going to go on some TV show to talk about it.

And then you’re going to say, “No, when we were sixteen he wasn’t a hardcore anti-Obama kind of guy. He really liked this movie. I guess we were all kinda liberal…we wanted pot to be legalized.”

And then your words will be posted furiously on LGF by someone who feels we all need to know he was a liberal.

I was an Ayn Rand quoting dbag in high school. Before I figured out what all that shit really meant. You wouldn’t have recognized my politics as the views of the same person by age 22. (I was young, I didn’t know how the political system actually worked. Please forgive me.)

77 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:31:06pm

re: #70 marjoriemoon

It’s not definitively decided if that was the origin, or if it was a Mongol thing, coming from the “Urra, urra” warcry.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:31:39pm

re: #74 HAL2010

Sharron Angle is truely beyond the Palin.

(I’m trying to start a meme here folks, help me out)

Sharron Angle is simply a rabble-rousing nutjob, but get back to me with the meme.

79 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:31:58pm

re: #67 marjoriemoon

I should probably add to that.

They had no problems spewing out violent rhetoric and imagery before. In fact, it seemed like a game on just how nasty one could get over the other.

Now that the unspeakable has happened, they’re shaking in their boots because they finally get it, well, at least at some level that with the crazy gun laws in this country, they could, indeed, be the object of some crazed psycho.

Gun laws mean nothing? The folks in the gun shop said they thought he looked a little nuts, but they had no choice. What a crock of bullshit. It’s Arizona. You ain’t no kind of Amerrrican if you ain’t packin.

Look, if some little baker in Shoprite in New Jersey decided against putting “Happy Birthday Adolph Hitler” on a birthday cake, you can refuse a gun sale. I don’t buy that shit for a minute.

what was the dealer supposed to do?….violate his rights?…they sell firearms, not dreams or nightmares…they guarantee nothing

80 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:32:06pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Damn HTML


[Video]

It’s that damned IE7 that’s the problem. Switch to something else! Chrome is really nice these days - MUCH faster.

81 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:33:04pm

re: #75 ralphieboy

A whiter shade of Palin?

No no. Going “beyond the Palin” is an event, a situation or an occurrence when something is so mindblowingly dumb, or unbelievable that it should not be able to occur.

Example “That Michael Bay film totally went beyond the Palin”.

82 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:33:25pm

re: #79 albusteve

what was the dealer supposed to do?…violate his rights?…they sell firearms, not dreams or nightmares…they guarantee nothing

Refusing a sale doesn’t violate anybody’s rights.

83 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:33:28pm

re: #72 Sionainn

Don’t forget your ride.

oh sweet!…you nailed that one…LOLOL

84 brennant  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:33:46pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Damn HTML

That is the first thing I thought of…

I have seen that move waaaay to many times. (and read the series too…)

85 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:33:58pm

re: #82 Fozzie Bear

Refusing a sale doesn’t violate anybody’s rights.

NOTE: I am not blaming the proprietor of the gun shop in question. This isn’t his/her fault.

86 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:26pm

re: #66 SanFranciscoZionist

I can sort of see that, though. You go to high school with someone, they’re kind of weird—they turn up years later, when you’re getting out of college, and kill a bunch of people—you’re going to try to piece together what you knew of them then.

And in our ridiculously fame and media obsessed society, you’re going to go on some TV show to talk about it.

And then you’re going to say, “No, when we were sixteen he wasn’t a hardcore anti-Obama kind of guy. He really liked this movie. I guess we were all kinda liberal…we wanted pot to be legalized.”

And then your words will be posted furiously on LGF by someone who feels we all need to know he was a liberal.

Except that it’s all hearsay and it means nothing whatsoever.

If they have something to say that has any real meaning, they need to contact the lawyer and tell it in court. Otherwise, everyone should consider it made up for a simple “15 minutes of fame.”

87 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:26pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Sharron Angle is simply a rabble-rousing nutjob, but get back to me with the meme.

Sharron’s accusation is so nuts that it is “beyond the Palin”. It is so nuts that even Palin could hardly come up with it.

Also see #81

88 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:51pm

re: #80 Charles

It’s that damned IE7 that’s the problem. Switch to something else! Chrome is really nice these days - MUCH faster.

I have never had even the slightest problem with Firefox

89 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:52pm

re: #81 HAL2010

Like “jump the shark?”

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:55pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

I was an Ayn Rand quoting dbag in high school. Before I figured out what all that shit really meant. You wouldn’t have recognized my politics as the views of the same person by age 22. (I was young, I didn’t know how the political system actually worked. Please forgive me.)

Teenagers have incredibly stupid political ideas, to the extent that they have political ideas at all. This is part of being a teenager. I say this as someone who’s taught high school. When you’re a teen, you see very big-picture, very black and white. You have limited real-world experience. Stuff like Ayn Rand or half-baked communism seems really, really original and important.

Most people get smarter and more nuanced as they get older. Some don’t.

91 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:34:56pm

re: #80 Charles

It’s that damned IE7 that’s the problem. Switch to something else! Chrome is really nice these days - MUCH faster.

Security policy and procedures don’t permit additional browsers. Unauthorized software, patch management concerns and all that.

92 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:35:44pm

re: #89 brownbagj

Like “jump the shark?”

More like trying to jump 10 sharks whilst on speed.

Perhaps more like nuking the fridge, but in a political context?

93 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:35:48pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ah, I see. Your fucked.

//

94 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:35:49pm

re: #82 Fozzie Bear

Refusing a sale doesn’t violate anybody’s rights.

refuse on what grounds?…if the seller violates the sales terms, they are fucked

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:36:17pm

re: #82 Fozzie Bear

Refusing a sale doesn’t violate anybody’s rights.

If my local liquor store can have up a sign saying they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason, I assume a gun shop can too, but I also assume this guy could hold it together long enough to seem decently sane to the clerk at a sporting goods store.

96 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:36:22pm

re: #79 albusteve

what was the dealer supposed to do?…violate his rights?…they sell firearms, not dreams or nightmares…they guarantee nothing

Yes, violate his rights. Let him come back later with a lawyer.

20 families would have thanked him.

97 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:37:14pm

re: #62 EmmmieG

Can we not? And then not say we did?

Good idea, now that you mention it.

98 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:37:41pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn’t take much, in my experience. You barely have to talk to anyone if you can fill out the form.

99 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:37:47pm

re: #96 marjoriemoon

Yes, violate his rights. Let him come back later with a lawyer.

20 families would have thanked him.

nice hindsight…it does not work that way and you know it

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:37:51pm

re: #82 Fozzie Bear

Refusing a sale doesn’t violate anybody’s rights.


Not like he would not have found another shop willing to sell to him, or barring that another unlicensed dealer…

101 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:38:38pm

re: #84 brennant

That is the first thing I thought of…

I have seen that move waaay to many times. (and read the series too…)

Read the first 3 books back in HS, tried the later books, but they just seemed meh.

102 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:40:08pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Read the first 3 books back in HS, tried the later books, but they just seemed meh.


I was housemates in college with a full-on Randian. Even though I was only 18 at the time, I was already beyond the point of finding her views of any value or interest.

103 brownbagj  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:40:24pm

re: #100 ralphieboy

Correct. If one wants a gun in this country, one can get it. Legally or otherwise.

Making it harder only means those who follows the rules have to try harder to get one. Folks who break the rules, couldn’t give a damn about the laws on the books already so more won’t help.

I do not know how to solve this. AND I am not against sensible gun control (classes, waiting period etc) - but none of those things will stop someone from getting basically anything they want. Like the drug war, more rules seems to only make more criminals.

104 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:40:34pm

re: #94 albusteve

refuse on what grounds?…if the seller violates the sales terms, they are fucked

I used to be the Maitre d’ of a restaurant. We would kick people out all the time for being insufficiently dressed up, for inappropriate language, and even just for creeping out the other patrons by staring. In a private business, you can refuse a sale for any reason whatsoever apart from race or creed. You really can.

105 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:41:13pm

re: #100 ralphieboy

Not like he would not have found another shop willing to sell to him, or barring that another unlicensed dealer…

Or have gone to a Gun Show to purchase the weapon used.

106 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:41:23pm

re: #100 ralphieboy

Not like he would not have found another shop willing to sell to him, or barring that another unlicensed dealer…

I agree completely. I’m just pointing out that they could have refused the sale. I don’t blame the gun shop, at all. They were just doing what they do.

107 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:41:27pm

Can you imagine the outcry from the NRA if gun shops started deciding who they will sell to?

108 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:41:31pm

re: #99 albusteve

nice hindsight…it does not work that way and you know it

And it’s a shame it doesn’t.

If those people at the gun shop are not just saying what they said for their 15 minutes of fame and really, honest and truly thought this guy was too strange for a firearm, well, they certainly have their conscious to contend with I guess.

109 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:41:55pm

I think the aliens from the SciFi classic They Live are the most apt description of the denizens of the right wing echo chamber.

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:42:02pm

re: #107 calochortus

Can you imagine the outcry from the NRA if gun shops started deciding who they will sell to?


Rand Paul might find himself in a bit of quandry over that, too…

111 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:42:03pm

re: #100 ralphieboy

Not like he would not have found another shop willing to sell to him, or barring that another unlicensed dealer…

deny him a sale on what grounds?….wtf are you talking about?

112 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:08pm

The above is just horrible. If I can’t criticize her points, Sharon Angle has violated my 1st amendment rights. Sigh. Well we get some pretty strange logic from the newly re-energized gun control groups too.

They are looking to re-instate the 10 round limit on magazines.

They admit that this might impact at most only 3% of gun crimes (despite it being a ban that applies to all gun owners), they then use John Lott’s roundly discredited study to support their point. Uh huh.

But that’s all ok because the mass shootings have a bigger impact on our minds. Huh?

Oh and we should listen to then as economists because that makes them expert in gain vs risk numbers.
[Link: www.cnn.com…]

I’d agree banning magazines that increase the factory spec of any gun makes sense. Of course, the very first shot is what hit and could have easily killed Congresswoman Giffords. No mention was made of an exception for law enforcement. Which I would insist on.

The logic is gone. All we have now is excellent care for the wounded, and histrionics from all the usual sources.

Like the politician that said one more gun would have helped, as in shooting the killer. In a frantic crowd? No, the tackling and seizing of the killer was the best possible action to take.

113 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:11pm

re: #102 ralphieboy

I was housemates in college with a full-on Randian. Even though I was only 18 at the time, I was already beyond the point of finding her views of any value or interest.

I was talking about Dune. Never wasted my time on Rand.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:32pm

re: #98 jaunte

It doesn’t take much, in my experience. You barely have to talk to anyone if you can fill out the form.

Well, my father did get rather upset last time he bought a new gun, when he found out there was a waiting period. I think he voted for the waiting period, but he didn’t think it meant him.

He also felt that since it was a HISTORIC gun, it should be exempt from the waiting period.

I’m surprised the clerk didn’t call the cops, but I guess if you sell guns, middle-aged men with creative ideas about why they should get to take the gun now are part of a day’s work.

115 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:42pm

re: #108 marjoriemoon

And it’s a shame it doesn’t.

If those people at the gun shop are not just saying what they said for their 15 minutes of fame and really, honest and truly thought this guy was too strange for a firearm, well, they certainly have their conscious to contend with I guess.

you talking out your ass…the dealer has no authority to deny a sale…the FBI handles that end of it…when the app comes back clear, you hand it over

116 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:48pm

re: #109 BigPapa

I think the aliens from the SciFi classic They Live are the most apt description of the denizens of the right wing echo chamber.

We need Rowdy Roddy Piper now more than ever. /

117 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:43:48pm

re: #111 albusteve

deny him a sale on what grounds?…wtf are you talking about?


Just theoretically. I remember after the John Lennon assassination, “Spy” magazine sent a fellow into various gun shops with a copy of “Catcher in the Rye” sticking out of his shirt pocket looking for handguns and had no problem getting served.

118 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:44:01pm

I was waiting for Angle to rear her ugly head. Exactly as I suspected.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:44:43pm

re: #106 Fozzie Bear

I agree completely. I’m just pointing out that they could have refused the sale. I don’t blame the gun shop, at all. They were just doing what they do.

Yeah. Not something they could have foreseen or done anything about.

Gotta feel creepy, though.

120 webevintage  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:44:46pm

re: #100 ralphieboy

Not like he would not have found another shop willing to sell to him, or barring that another unlicensed dealer…

And he could have had his shit together when he purchased if he had been turned down some place else.

121 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:44:57pm

re: #107 calochortus

Can you imagine the outcry from the NRA if gun shops started deciding who they will sell to?

I’m not saying that at all. I’m more than pissed off at this point when the gun shop folks start saying, “Oh yea, I knew he was nuts, but I sold him a firearm anyway.” What the hell is that??

I wouldn’t expect them to arbitrarily pick someone for no reason and if anyone reads that into what I said, they’re being dishonest.

The woman at the bakery was insulted at putting “Adolph Hitler” on a birthday cake. To me she was a hero and probably saved those children from a lifetime of misery for leading to the exposure of what was going on in that house.

122 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:45:36pm

re: #109 BigPapa

I think the aliens from the SciFi classic They Live are the most apt description of the denizens of the right wing echo chamber.

Messing with Roddy is a good way to get yourself kilt.

123 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:45:39pm

re: #104 Fozzie Bear

I used to be the Maitre d’ of a restaurant. We would kick people out all the time for being insufficiently dressed up, for inappropriate language, and even just for creeping out the other patrons by staring. In a private business, you can refuse a sale for any reason whatsoever apart from race or creed. You really can.

give me a break…a dealer cannot refuse to sell a gun…and why would they have ‘refuse’ this guy anyway?….did he show up with a list of targets to kill?

124 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:46:45pm

re: #108 marjoriemoon

And it’s a shame it doesn’t.

If those people at the gun shop are not just saying what they said for their 15 minutes of fame and really, honest and truly thought this guy was too strange for a firearm, well, they certainly have their conscious to contend with I guess.

no they don’t…you are misguided

125 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:46:53pm

Disruptive Arizona suspect axed from online group


His online chat sessions were available to members of the online gaming group, of which I am a member.

Over a five-month period, Loughner described mental breakdowns and expressed disdain for politicians and other government officials.

“Politicians on tv passing laws … I made fun of them Made them do dirty stuff,” he wrote under the screen name Erad in often incoherent and misspelled posts.

Loughner was apprehended immediately after Saturday’s shootings outside a Tucson shopping mall in which six people were killed and Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was critically wounded.

He had registered for the group under his real name. Other members of the group, who worked together as a team in the online game Earth Empires, were perplexed by his outbursts.

“I have no idea what you’re talking about 50% of the time,” wrote one member. “Is that rap? cause i’m not a fan of it.”

Loughner joined the online group, Sons of Liberty, in December 2009 and was kicked out in April 2010. He was expelled for joining a rival team in the game, and because group members found his frequently rambling statements disruptive.

126 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:47:18pm

re: #123 albusteve

give me a break…a dealer cannot refuse to sell a gun…and why would they have ‘refuse’ this guy anyway?…did he show up with a list of targets to kill?

They absolutely DO have the right to refuse a sale, to anyone, for any reason other than race or creed. It’s just a fact. All private businesses have this right.

Whether they should have known or could have is a separate issue I have no opinion on, because I wasn’t there.

127 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:47:26pm

re: #115 albusteve

you talking out your ass…the dealer has no authority to deny a sale…the FBI handles that end of it…when the app comes back clear, you hand it over

What gives a person the right to deny anyone the sale of anything?

Common sense? Especially when selling a product that is intended for one use only which is to kill?

Like I say, let them come back with a lawyer. At that point, the kid would have probably been examined by a shrink.

128 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:47:48pm

re: #6 Fozzie Bear

So… violent rhetoric doesn’t cause violence, but if you accuse someone of using violent rhetoric, that might cause violence?

I feel like i’m taking crazy pills or something.

What’s hilarious is that Palin said the exact same thing.

These people have zero respect for the intelligence of their constituency.

129 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:48:15pm

re: #117 ralphieboy

Just theoretically. I remember after the John Lennon assassination, “Spy” magazine sent a fellow into various gun shops with a copy of “Catcher in the Rye” sticking out of his shirt pocket looking for handguns and had no problem getting served.

So - the gun shops didn’t refuse a sale to a guy with a book in his pocket, and that was supposed to - mean something?
???

130 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:48:33pm

re: #126 Fozzie Bear

They absolutely DO have the right to refuse a sale, to anyone, for any reason other than race or creed. It’s just a fact. All private businesses have this right.

Whether they should have known or could have is a separate issue I have no opinion on, because I wasn’t there.

prove it then…the FBI handles the applications

131 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:49:02pm

re: #128 Talking Point Detective

What’s hilarious is that Palin said the exact same thing.

These people have zero respect for the intelligence of their constituency.

Actually, they are counting on zero intelligence from their constituency.

132 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:49:22pm

re: #110 ralphieboy

Rand Paul might find himself in a bit of quandry over that, too…

And when Rand Paul talks, we all listen. Just like when he was happy to give an opthamologist’s opinion as to the shooter’s psychiatric diagnosis.

133 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:49:39pm

re: #122 darthstar

Messing with Roddy is a good way to get yourself kilt.

Well plaid, sir.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:49:41pm

re: #130 albusteve


prove it then…the FBI handles the applications

I think the point is that the FBI handles the applications, but any store owner can refuse service.

Pointless line of discussion.

135 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:49:48pm

re: #128 Talking Point Detective

What’s hilarious is that Palin said the exact same thing.

These people have zero respect for the intelligence of their constituency.

I think they have about the average intelligence of their constituents.

And as they aren’t serving, they do not have any constituents.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:50:39pm

re: #132 calochortus

And when Rand Paul talks, we all listen. Just like when he was happy to give an opthamologist’s opinion as to the shooter’s psychiatric diagnosis.

I like the clarification:

Paul has a medical degree from Duke University. However, he was trained as an ophthalmologist and not a psychiatrist. Paranoid schizophrenia is a mental disorder.

As opposed to an eye problem, yes, I got that part…

137 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:50:52pm

re: #127 marjoriemoon

What gives a person the right to deny anyone the sale of anything?

Common sense? Especially when selling a product that is intended for one use only which is to kill?

Like I say, let them come back with a lawyer. At that point, the kid would have probably been examined by a shrink.

your argument is empty…he was just another customer buying a handgun…again, why would they have refuse to sell him one?….they don’t know his intention or level of craszyness…just what are you talking about?

138 jaunte  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:50:53pm

Media Matters comments on John King’s interview of Eric Erickson:


CNN contributor Erick Erickson appeared on John King, USA last night for a discussion of inflammatory rhetoric — and, although Erickson criticized comments by various liberals, King never asked Erickson about his own track record of violent rhetoric.
…snip…
At no point in the entire appearance did host John King ask Erickson — or even mention — a single example of inflammatory language used by conservatives. What makes that all the more incredible is that Erick Erickson has famously called former Supreme Court justice David Souter a “goat f—king child molester” and spoken of pulling shotguns on government officials and beating state legislators to a “bloody pulp for being an idiot.”
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
139 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:51:37pm

re: #128 Talking Point Detective

What’s hilarious is that Palin said the exact same thing.

These people have zero respect for the intelligence of their constituency.

Hmm, if accusing someone of using violent rhetoric might cause violence, then does that mean maybe we can take out members of AQ by simply accusing them of using violent rhetoric? ‘Cause that would make the whole “war on terror” thing a LOT easier.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:51:52pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

They were just trying to make the ironic rhetorical point that looking like Mark David Chapman was not enough to even raise an eyebrow among the gun sellers.

141 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:52:38pm

re: #121 marjoriemoon

I do understand that. However, had the gun not been sold (and the shooter hadn’t gotten another gun) and therefore no crime was committed, do you really think the NRA would have been comfortable with gun shop owners doing psychiatric assessments? I think not. But I’d be happy to see evidence that I’m wrong. Really.

142 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:52:46pm

a friend sent me this. it’s priceless:

“helen, helen, helen. unimaginable misunderstanding of jewish history & unconscionable indecency. press corps colleagues calling you on this?”

delightful irony, no?

143 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:52:56pm

re: #140 ralphieboy

They were just trying to make the ironic rhetorical point that looking like Mark David Chapman was not enough to even raise an eyebrow among the gun sellers.

oh man…that’s quite the exercise…it proves exactly nothing

144 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:53:53pm

re: #79 albusteve

If a person appears mentally unstable it is illegal to sell to them.
Ask any FFL holder.

If a person has been served with divorce papers, it’s illegal to buy or possess any gun in California. (see the fine print on the back of the service papers.)

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:54:16pm

re: #143 albusteve

oh man…that’s quite the exercise…it proves exactly nothing

It was standard fare for “Spy” Magazine, a satirical East-coast rag that expored in the early 90’s.

146 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:54:25pm

re: #136 SanFranciscoZionist

I like the clarification:

Paul has a medical degree from Duke University. However, he was trained as an ophthalmologist and not a psychiatrist. Paranoid schizophrenia is a mental disorder.

As opposed to an eye problem, yes, I got that part…

Right. I think someone there has a sense of humor, or a very low opinion of their readership.

147 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:55:11pm

re: #141 calochortus

I do understand that. However, had the gun not been sold (and the shooter hadn’t gotten another gun) and therefore no crime was committed, do you really think the NRA would have been comfortable with gun shop owners doing psychiatric assessments? I think not. But I’d be happy to see evidence that I’m wrong. Really.

did the sellers know of his history of mental illness?…if so I didn’t know that and it would change my point of view….why doesn’t somebody here speak up?

148 EastSider  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:55:40pm

So what she’s saying is:

“While my words won’t cause violence, words *about* my words will”

?

h/t KO

149 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:56:02pm

re: #140 ralphieboy

They were just trying to make the ironic rhetorical point that looking like Mark David Chapman was not enough to even raise an eyebrow among the gun sellers.

OK.
And if Mark David Chapman was in custody, why should it raise eyebrows if someone resembling him walked into a gun shop?

*really not getting it*

150 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:57:05pm

re: #147 albusteve

My take on the previous post was that the gun store employees did think he wasn’t quite ‘right’. But I have no personal knowledge of that.

151 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:57:11pm

re: #130 albusteve


prove it then…the FBI handles the applications

Actually, they handle the background check to insure the buyer has nothing in their record that prohibits them from owning a firearm. I:E A Felony conviction or Court ordered mental evaluation/confinement. The final decision to sell a firearm rest solely with the owner of the firearm.

152 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:57:24pm

re: #139 CuriousLurker

Hmm, if accusing someone of using violent rhetoric might cause violence, then does that mean maybe we can take out members of AQ by simply accusing them of using violent rhetoric? ‘Cause that would make the whole “war on terror” thing a LOT easier.

You’re missing something.

Vitriolic rhetoric about Muslims does not increase the likelihood of violence.

Vitriolic rhetoric towards libz and Dems does not increase the likelihood of violence.

Violent anti-government rhetoric does not increase the likelihood of violence.

It is only criticism of Palin and Angle that increases the likelihood of violence.

Please study that and get back to me for a quiz later.

153 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:57:53pm

re: #144 Rightwingconspirator

If a person appears mentally unstable it is illegal to sell to them.
Ask any FFL holder.

If a person has been served with divorce papers, it’s illegal to buy or possess any gun in California. (see the fine print on the back of the service papers.)

did he display instability?…where is the record on that?

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:57:57pm

re: #149 reine.de.tout

OK.
And if Mark David Chapman was in custody, why should it raise eyebrows if someone resembling him walked into a gun shop?

*really not getting it*

Like I said, it was just a gag from “Spy” magazine, a smug, satirical new York humor monthly. They are now defunct.

155 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:58:36pm

re: #65 Obdicut

Dershowitz defends Palin’s use of “blood libel”:

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

That’s disappointing.

The explanation for why he does that is probably contained in his excuse for Palin. He wants to continue using it outside of the context.

156 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:58:57pm

re: #152 Talking Point Detective

It is only criticism of Palin and Angle that increases the likelihood of violence.

given the way some of their followers act, yeah it probably would.

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:59:32pm

re: #144 Rightwingconspirator

If a person appears mentally unstable it is illegal to sell to them.
Ask any FFL holder.

If a person has been served with divorce papers, it’s illegal to buy or possess any gun in California. (see the fine print on the back of the service papers.)

The US Army fobids service members with a history of domestic violence to carry a sidearm.

They can drive a tank, man a rocket battery or pilot an attack helicopter, just no sidearms…

158 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:59:55pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist


It all about making money and they probably justify their sale of the gun by claiming if they didn’t sell him the gun, someone else definitely would.

159 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:00:05pm

Mr Loughner attempted to buy ammunition at a branch of Wal-Mart, where he was turned down, but went to another branch where he was successful.

The final hours before his alleged attack were described as “busy, packed, even frenetic” by investigators.

The “peace officer”, who primarily enforces hunting regulations but has full powers of arrest, spoke briefly to Mr Loughner and took details of his driving licence, car registration and vehicle insurance.

He radioed colleagues and had the information checked against criminal records. When no outstanding warrants were found for Mr Loughner or his vehicle, he was given a verbal warning and released.

Just 160 minutes later, it is alleged, Mr Loughner arrived at the nearby Safeway supermarket and sprayed bullets at a crowd gathered for an event hosted by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

“There is some mental anguish with the officer that he was not able to stop this,” said Jim Paxon, a spokesman for the Game and Fish Department.

“But he did everything properly”, Mr Paxon said. “He saw no weapons and had no cause to search the car or detain Mr Loughner. He could just as easily have become the first victim.”

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department confirmed yesterday that officers had also responded to calls from the Loughner home but could not confirm when, why or on how many occasions.

Can’t imagine how that officer feels right now.

Link

160 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:00:47pm

Gabrielle Giffords showing more signs of improvement, doctor says

Reporting from Tucson and Los Angeles — Rep. Gabrielle Giffords continued to show signs of recovery with “spontaneous movements” such as feeling her wounds and adjusting her hospital gown, Dr. Peter Rhee, head of trauma at University Medical Center in Tucson, said in an interview Wednesday.

“She’s getting better every day, and she’s making more and more spontaneous movements,” he said. “She was able to actually even feel her wounds herself. She can fix her gown. She’s making very specific kinds of movements, so we’re very happy at this point.”

Such movements are occurring, in part, because physicians have greatly decreased the amount of sedation Giffords is receiving.

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:01:51pm

re: #159 HAL2010


Wonder how long until this is presented as evidence that it was all part of a left-wing plot to victimize Sarah Palin and Sharron angle

162 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:02:07pm

re: #144 Rightwingconspirator

If a person appears mentally unstable it is illegal to sell to them.
Ask any FFL holder.

If a person has been served with divorce papers, it’s illegal to buy or possess any gun in California. (see the fine print on the back of the service papers.)

I’ve never heard of this, and I got divorced in California. Of course our divorce was fairly amicable, we walked into the clerk’s office together and filed without lawyers. Are you sure you’re not thinking of the subjects of active restraining orders?

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:02:31pm

re: #157 ralphieboy

The US Army fobids service members with a history of domestic violence to carry a sidearm.

They can drive a tank, man a rocket battery or pilot an attack helicopter, just no sidearms…

Because they assume no one will strafe their ex’s house with an attack helicopter? That seems somewhat shortsighted.

//sorry

164 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:02:36pm

re: #158 Reginald Perrin

It all about making money and they probably justify their sale of the gun by claiming if they didn’t sell him the gun, someone else definitely would.

that’s mere speculation…I have not read anything that shows or proves the guy was expressing anything other than ordinary behavior at the time…if there is evidence otherwise, my opinion would certainly change

165 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:02:52pm

re: #161 ralphieboy

Wonder how long until this is presented as evidence that it was all part of a left-wing plot to victimize Sarah Palin and Sharron angle

I feel so sorry for them.

166 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:03:03pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist


That was my reaction as well…

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:03:27pm

re: #159 HAL2010

Mr Loughner attempted to buy ammunition at a branch of Wal-Mart, where he was turned down, but went to another branch where he was successful.

Can you imagine how bizarrely you have to be acting for a Wal-Mart employee to turn you away?

168 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:04:28pm

re: #152 Talking Point Detective

You’re missing something.

Vitriolic rhetoric about Muslims does not increase the likelihood of violence.

Vitriolic rhetoric towards libz and Dems does not increase the likelihood of violence.

Violent anti-government rhetoric does not increase the likelihood of violence.

It is only criticism of Palin and Angle that increases the likelihood of violence.

Please study that and get back to me for a quiz later.

Darn! And I thought I had it all worked out. *sigh*

LGF is destroying my work habits. I have to tear myself away for now. TTYL, Lizards.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:04:34pm

re: #160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gabrielle Giffords showing more signs of improvement, doctor says

Absolutely amazing. I don’t know much at all about this sort of thing, but I have to assume that the intern who immediately put pressure on the wound is at least in part responsible for how well she’s doing.

170 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:04:39pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you imagine how bizarrely you have to be acting for a Wal-Mart employee to turn you away?

Try not taking a shopping cart from the “doorman”!!! You’ll have suspicious looks from the geriatric crowd!
/

171 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:04:54pm
Accusing Me of Violent Rhetoric Could Cause Violence

Isn’t that almost what Palin said in her statement?

Palin: Violent Rhetoric Doesn’t Inspire Violence — But Criticism Of Violent Rhetoric Does

172 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #161 ralphieboy

Wonder how long until this is presented as evidence that it was all part of a left-wing plot to victimize Sarah Palin and Sharron angle

Evidence?

They don’t need no stinking evidence!

173 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:05:02pm

re: #159 HAL2010

interesting story…they came so close to pinning the guy down

174 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:06:48pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you imagine how bizarrely you have to be acting for a Wal-Mart employee to turn you away?

We dont have walmarts in England, but after seeing a few of the interesting folks who seem to frequent the place at peopleofwalmart.com I would imagine one would have to be a tad .. unusual.

175 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:07:24pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Can you imagine how bizarrely you have to be acting for a Wal-Mart employee to turn you away?

profiling works?

176 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:07:34pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely amazing. I don’t know much at all about this sort of thing, but I have to assume that the intern who immediately put pressure on the wound is at least in part responsible for how well she’s doing.

If she makes a full recovery she’ll be a contender for the Democratic presidential nomination if she wants it.

177 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:08:26pm

re: #137 albusteve

your argument is empty…he was just another customer buying a handgun…again, why would they have refuse to sell him one?…they don’t know his intention or level of craszyness…just what are you talking about?

I was responding to an article someone posted upthread that said the gunshop owners were concerned about selling him the gun but did it anyway.

178 dmon  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:09:37pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Head injuries are strange…here in my city there is a 30 year old young man who was shot in the head as a teenager, he lost a huge chunk of his brain, he went on to graduate college and still stops by the firehouse occasionally to thank the crews………on the flip side I have seen fatalities from someone simply falling down.

179 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:10:01pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely amazing. I don’t know much at all about this sort of thing, but I have to assume that the intern who immediately put pressure on the wound is at least in part responsible for how well she’s doing.

It took a whole lot of things going right in the context of something so horribly wrong for her to not only be alive, but clearly conscious, able to hear and understand English, and have fine motor control.

I hope her speech and vision centers aren’t too damaged.

180 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:11:03pm

re: #141 calochortus

I do understand that. However, had the gun not been sold (and the shooter hadn’t gotten another gun) and therefore no crime was committed, do you really think the NRA would have been comfortable with gun shop owners doing psychiatric assessments? I think not. But I’d be happy to see evidence that I’m wrong. Really.

What was the reason Walmart died selling him ammo?

181 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:11:47pm

re: #180 marjoriemoon

What was the reason Walmart died selling him ammo?

Denied, not died… sorry….

182 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:14:15pm

It’s my sincere hope Ms. Angle capitalizes the word ‘jesus’. It could be detrimental! :D *nudge/wink*

183 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:14:22pm

There is no constitutional right to be free of criticism for what you say. If there were, my rights would have been violated every other day on this forum. :-)

Irresponsible assignment of blame to the Tea Party, or to Sarah Palin, puts no one in danger of anything worse than losing an election or a reputation. The danger, such as it is, is mainly to the reputations of those attacked, or those attacking, depending on how well reasoned and based in fact the attack is.

Sharron Angle’s rhetoric had nothing to do with the shooting in Tucson, but it’s irresponsible anyhow.

Human reason is flawed and limited. It is perfectly possible for a sane person to make a glaring mistake at chess. He is more likely to make the mistake if silly maxims such as “advance the pawns nearest your King” are floating around, even if other, sager advice says otherwise.

In the same sense, a person may be sane, but of violent temper and disposed to drastic remedies for imagined ills. There is a spectrum here, and some guys are surely near the edge and could be tipped into action by talk of second amendment remedies. He (she) who incites in carefully weasel-worded language may escape legal responsibility without escaping moral responsibility.

The Tucson incident isn’t an instance of the danger such talk represents, but it’s a reminder that there are other paths to tragedy than outright insanity.

We could, and should, change the laws on insanity, not all the way back to how they were when hundreds of thousands were institutionalized, but some part of the way, to take public safety more seriously.

But we should also soberly back off from heated talk. She should, for starters.

184 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:14:26pm

re: #177 marjoriemoon

I was responding to an article someone posted upthread that said the gunshop owners were concerned about selling him the gun but did it anyway.

right…it’s just a shame the guy was not run over by a truck in the parking lot…the FBI has tried to connect mental illness to gun sales forever, but the national data base is weak and full of holes…it’s all about funding

185 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:15:47pm

re: #182 KayInMaine

It’s my sincere hope Ms. Angle capitalizes the word ‘jesus’. It could be detrimental! :D *nudge/wink*

fuck off

186 simoom  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:15:49pm

Advocating for violently overturning democratic elections if your side doesn’t get their way should be grounds for being tossed to the curb by your political party — no second chances. Any party that fails to do so deserves any criticism and condemnation that comes their way, particularly after a national tragedy crystallizes in the electorates’ minds the horrible reality of what that extremist rhetoric looks like.

187 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:15:56pm

re: #182 KayInMaine

You know you can’t really hide hate behind a smiley face right?

188 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:16:26pm

re: #182 KayInMaine

It’s my sincere hope Ms. Angle capitalizes the word ‘jesus’. It could be detrimental! :D *nudge/wink*

Thank God (capital “G”) it wasn’t Joe Lieberman or you’d REALLY be going off , huh !!

189 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:16:56pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Absolutely amazing. I don’t know much at all about this sort of thing, but I have to assume that the intern who immediately put pressure on the wound is at least in part responsible for how well she’s doing.

That’s probably not going to be true, unfortunately.

A through and through head wound from front to back is not going to damage any major external arteries, and actually may not have bled very much. Had it hit a major internal artery like the anterior or middle cerebral, that would have been quite a gusher, but nothing short of a finger in the brain would have stopped that, and she probably would have bled out at the scene.

How well she’s doing is most likely nothing more than the sheer dumb luck of a bullet being high enough to not hit the basal ganglia or midbrain, and not fragmenting and thus destroying more brain than was in the direct path. Even once she hit the OR, there actually isn’t much more for the neurosurgeons to do than control any bleeding, do a craniotomy to allow room for swelling, remove fragments, and close the ventricles if they’ve been damaged. You can’t stitch brain back together, after all. Then it’s just a matter of watching, managing her vital functions, and waiting.

Given the signs, though, her probability of a near-full recovery sounds, as Dr Rhee said, about 100%, barring any complications such as rebleeds or sudden swelling and herniation. From the sounds of it, her higher functions seem preserved, indicating probably a right-sided wound, and she may well end up with little more than some left-sided deficits and sensory loss.

190 Ming  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:17:29pm

It is high time for responsible, adult Republicans to speak up and lead the nation towards a toning down of the political rhetoric. The problem is not limited to Republicans, of course; I don’t remember many liberals rushing to condemn the hate speech of Jeremiah Wright, or Louis Farrakhan. But at this point in time, the majority of the hateful speech does seem to come from the right wing, and it would be wonderful if some Republicans might actually join with the rest of us in saying that rhetoric like “second-amendment remedies” is out of bounds. One thing that would really help is if the cable news networks stop putting people with opposing views in the same studio, give them microphones, and have them have insane, hostile dialogs. Sure, it’s a cheap was to produce TV, but I hardly ever watch the news networks anymore, because it’s so repulsive. No, I don’t want to hear some alternative point of view from Dana Lasch or Erik Erikson or Naomi Wolf. I’m not a psychiatrist, and I’d like some news and journalism, please, not unfriendly arguments.

191 tnguitarist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:17:40pm

re: #183 lostlakehiker

Sharron Angle’s rhetoric had nothing to do with the shooting in Tucson

How do you know this?

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:18:39pm

re: #175 albusteve

profiling works?

Appears not…they were happy to sell him the bullets at the next Wal-Mart.

193 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:18:56pm

re: #183 lostlakehiker

The Tucson incident isn’t an instance of the danger such talk represents, but it’s a reminder that there are other paths to tragedy than outright insanity.

There’s no way to know whether it did or didn’t, because you can’t re-run the experiement in a world without such rhetoric. Clearly the shooter was exposed to it, because he parroted various talking points. But we can never know if that’s what set him off. It is not possible to acquit or apportion blame. What we DO know is that it makes such things more likely. This we know from looking at the world today, and our history.

194 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:19:31pm

re: #182 KayInMaine

Kay, I know you are capable of better than that.

195 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:19:39pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Appears not…they were happy to sell him the bullets at the next Wal-Mart.

they just have to standardize the system

196 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:19:41pm

re: #161 ralphieboy

Wonder how long until this is presented as evidence that it was all part of a left-wing plot to victimize Sarah Palin and Sharron angle

Don’t hold your breath. The RW would have to persuade the public that Loughner was sane, for starters, sane enough to cooperate in a plot. But that’s not true, not close to true, and not even a little credible. To top it off, suppose somehow they brought it off, and did convince the public. What then? They’d only have opened the door wider to the charge that it was really a RW plot.

197 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:19:46pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman.

198 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:20:03pm

re: #194 Reginald Perrin

Kay, I know you are capable of better than that.

Pay attention
No she’s not

199 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:20:31pm

re: #194 Reginald Perrin

Just having fun and trying to lighten the moment from earlier this morning. I see that is not going to happen. :(

200 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:20:53pm

re: #197 KayInMaine

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman.

I can’t stand you

201 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:21:12pm

re: #197 KayInMaine

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman.

Geee,, ya think!!

Some ,, umm,, “interesting” posts were uncovered at you web site

Is it just Joe, or Jews in general !?!?
(looked like the latter to me, from what one Lizard uncovered)

202 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:21:55pm

re: #197 KayInMaine

We know. You can’t stand a lot of things. We had fun reading your blog this morning. You’re one seriously creepy person.

203 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:22:13pm

re: #197 KayInMaine

We know. You can’t stand a lot of things. We had fun reading your blog this morning. You’re one seriously creepy person.

204 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:22:23pm

re: #200 albusteve

I WE can’t stand you

May as well jump on the bandwagon after what was uncovered this morning!

205 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:22:23pm

re: #197 KayInMaine

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman.

I can’t stand Joe Lieberman. But I think you’re full of shit when you write the things you write about him.

206 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:22:30pm

re: #199 KayInMaine

Just having fun and trying to lighten the moment from earlier this morning. I see that is not going to happen. :(

which only illustrates how stupid you are…too bad that’s hardly the worst of it

207 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:22:46pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Yes I am. If you still have the papers take a peek. A bunch of other things apply too. Most gun control advocates are blissfully unaware of existing restrictions.

208 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:08pm

re: #200 albusteve

And I can’t stand you! Feel better now? Have something to really bitch about? You hate me because I didn’t capitalize jesus’ name and then you all freaked out because in some of my posts I did capitalize it, so therefore, it means I’m trying to take over….what? Enlighten me please. :D (I am sitting here with a smile on my face and this smiley is representing real time action!)

209 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:19pm

Sorry for the double post

210 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:34pm

re: #202 McSpiff

We know. You can’t stand a lot of things. We had fun reading your blog this morning. You’re one seriously creepy disturbed person.

ftfy

211 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:46pm

re: #209 McSpiff

what was discovered this morning?

212 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:53pm

re: #209 McSpiff

Sorry for the double post

n/p ,, it should be in TRIPLICATE !

213 [deleted]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:56pm
214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:58pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

May as well jump on the bandwagon after what was uncovered this morning!

Apparently I missed something.

215 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:24:09pm

re: #153 albusteve

Statements by people at the gun shop as I read it. If they did not say that, then my point would not apply.

216 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:24:27pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

you and me, both.

217 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:24:47pm

re: #208 KayInMaine

Its because while the grown ups are doing what we can before someone else gets killed, you’re busy talking about Hate Cults, conservaNAZIS, how evil Israel is, etc.

You’re the problem.

218 simoom  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:24:52pm

re: #180 marjoriemoon

What was the reason Walmart died selling him ammo?

I may be misremembering, but I think what happened is the Walmart employee went to get him his bullets and when he returned with them Loughner had left.

219 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:24:52pm

re: #208 KayInMaine

And I can’t stand you! Feel better now? Have something to really bitch about? You hate me because I didn’t capitalize jesus’ name and then you all freaked out because in some of my posts I did capitalize it, so therefore, it means I’m trying to take over…what? Enlighten me please. :D (I am sitting here with a smile on my face and this smiley is representing real time action!)

I could care less what you cap, I said so earlier…why don’t you pay attention?…in fact why don’t you just go away?…your cap dodge is beyond juvenile

220 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:25:17pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

Apparently I missed something.

Charles has (correctly) scrubbed the links clean, but this a.m Sergey Romanov uncovered LOTS of anti-semetic postings By Kate from her own website

221 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:25:21pm

OK, here’s Kay’s posting about Joe Lieberman again, in all its “glory”. Sorry, folks.

Joe Lieberman The Nazi to go after American Muslims because killing Iraqi children on behalf of Israel is not enough pleasure for him

Have I mentioned lately how much I hate today’s Hitler. Yes, that’s right….I hate Joe Lieberman who would kill every American alive on earth to protect his pasty white Israel. He hates all of us. Oh, I know you’re telling yourself right now, “But Kay! I’m a conservative and I love everything Joe says and does! He obviously loves me and my party and is very loyal to the cause!”, but what you’re missing is he is using you knuckleheads to catapult his hateful agenda against the United States on behalf of Israel. See? He would applaud loudly if you died on behalf of Israel and there’s no telling how he would react if he conspired to kill President Obama either! Oh wait. I know how Joe would react if President Obama was gunned down by Israelis. He would blame Iran, applaud loudly at the idea of Americans dying in Iran for Israel, and then he would hold a press conference telling us “how sad he is to hear of the President’s passing”, you know, as if the President died of a heart attack rather than at the end of a Israeli sniper’s bullet.

See? Hitler hated the Jews and now the Jewish Joe hates all Muslims. I bet Joe is a birther too and believes President Obama is a secret Muslim!

Joe has decided to hold Senate hearings in reaction to the Ford Hood massacre, because the man who fired the gun there and who killed 13 has a funny last name and is Muslim. See? Joe doesn’t care what the FBI or the Army has to say about this! Nope. Joe wants to become the Judge and Jury against ALL MUSLIMS ON BEHALF OF ISRAEL. Of course, when he and Susan Collins of Maine under George Bush were the heads of Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, these two did nothing to hold George Bush and his Mafia Thugs accountable for their actions! Nope. The hearings they did hold were laughable. The two of them would ask the witnesses, “Did you do anything wrong?” and when they heard, “Nope!”, they would bang the gavel down on the table and then say, “Okay! Lunchtime!”. Spit.

GO TO HELL JOE LIEBERMAN! You’re a traitor to all of humanity! Your empty shell of a heart is in Israel………SO MOVE THERE PLEASE AND DON’T COME BACK. The fact you’re trying to drum up anti-Muslim sentiment in this country to satisfy your lust is absolutely disgusting!

222 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:25:50pm

re: #216 Kefirah

you and me, both.

see 220 and 221

223 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:20pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

Pay attention
No she’s not

Is she nas bad as the guy who makes a grass knoll joke on a thread discussing the shooting Saturday afternoon?

224 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:39pm

re: #211 Kefirah

what was discovered this morning?

According to Kay, the United States is killing Iraqi children at the behest of Israel.

Not joking. She really said that.

225 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:39pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #216 Kefirah

We found Kay’s blog this morning, and there is some seriously deranged anti-GOP, anti-Joe Libermien, anti-Israel and I’d argue anti-Semitic stuff on it. I posted some quotes but I believe Charles deleted them all (which I agreed with).

226 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:27:17pm

re: #223 Reginald Perrin

Much worse.

227 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:27:18pm

re: #215 Rightwingconspirator

Statements by people at the gun shop as I read it. If they did not say that, then my point would not apply.

it would change my opinion as well…I know nothing about it, but it’s a sticky situation that needs a remedy, whatever that might be…I’m just trying to see it straight down the middle

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:27:30pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

Charles has (correctly) scrubbed the links clean, but this a.m Sergey Romanov uncovered LOTS of anti-semetic postings By Kate from her own website

Fun and games.

229 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:27:32pm

Joe Lieberman once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. /

230 gamark  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:27:39pm

re: #178 dmon

The human body is at once fragile and incredibly resilient. I suspect the effects of a gushot wound to the brain comes down to luck in the path taken by the bullet. My wife’s neurosurgeon explained to us that the brain has lots of secondary support for some functions. That is, if you lose a part of the brain that controls X, some other part will take over for it. On the other hand, he said there areas/functions which have no backup. I want to say he called that “elegant structure” but I can’t recall exactly.

231 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:27:56pm

re: #223 Reginald Perrin

Is she nas bad as the guy who makes a grass knoll joke on a thread discussing the shooting Saturday afternoon?

Do some research and get back to me!
On second thought, just do the former and skip the latter!
(still misrepresenting what was ssaid, but keep swingin’!)

232 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:28:09pm

re: #191 tnguitarist

How do you know this?

That’s a statement of opinion, of course. But really, think about it. This guy left a long electronic paper trail. From the looks of it, he was incensed that his earlier insane question to Giffords did not receive a respectful answer.

Giffords was as nice as could be about it, sending him a letter thanking him for his interest. Much good it did her. When somebody fixates on you, it can be all but impossible to get the incident to fade into the past. And I speak from experience.

This “paper trail” doesn’t include any quotes or paraphrases of Angle’s talking points. Angle was running against Reid, not Giffords. I’m not aware that she ever mentioned Giffords by name and I assume that if she had, that would have been brought up.

By Ockham’s razor, I therefore more or less know that Angle had nothing to do with it.

233 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:28:28pm

Also, George Bush performs fellatio on Arab Kings, and who cares if Obama is a secret Muslim. Oh Kay…

234 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:28:33pm

re: #213 KayInMaine

Don’t read my blog then. Oh wait! You’re a masochist! I don’t like everything I read on LGF, but I like this place now.

enjoy your stay…it might not last long, at least I hope not

235 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:28:54pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Kays words repeated for emphasis

I hate Joe Lieberman who would kill every American alive on earth to protect his pasty white Israel.

236 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:28:54pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

well. um. wow.

for my part: my empty shell of a heart is in the east, to paraphrase yehuda halevi. doesn’t make me any less of an american.

kay: you sound like someone who would spout the original blood libel, if only enough people would listen to you. good luck with that.

thanks to the lizards who did the research.

237 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:29:12pm

re: #184 albusteve

right…it’s just a shame the guy was not run over by a truck in the parking lot…the FBI has tried to connect mental illness to gun sales forever, but the national data base is weak and full of holes…it’s all about funding

I can appreciate it’s a money issue, but I’m also seriously frustrated that we aren’t doing enough to keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of crazy people.

He showed his driver’s license and was given a gun. I guess there’s no waiting period in AZ. Might be a good idea to do a complete background check. That may have shown something.

You know what you have to do to become a lawyer? It’s not just passing the bar. They do a complete background check on you, which is extremely thorough. Outside of the actual test, in Florida, there are 100 questions you have to answer about yourself, including producing documentation such as marriage certificates or divorce decrees. I’d like to see this applied to gun ownership.

In fact, Matt Hale, a white supremacist, who passed the bar was never admitted. He ended up in jail anyway for something else if I recall! But no bar would admit him because of his ties to the KKK.

238 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:29:31pm

re: #217 McSpiff

Yes I do. I can’t stand them. Is that okay or is the freedom of speech only limited to your point of view?

239 calochortus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:29:43pm

re: #190 Ming

I’d like to see the ‘grown-ups’ in politics take the lead in restoring civility and stop tolerating (or even encouraging) the violent rhetoric. I have gotten some sense that the shooting really shocked some members of Congress and perhaps they will encourage a cooler tone.
Demonizing the opposition is all good fun until someone actually gets hurt. //

240 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:29:52pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

the irony there being that israel is far from pasty white. it’s mizrachi, yemeni, sefardi AND ashkenazi. hummus consumption is practically the national sport for a reason.

241 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:00pm

re: #236 Kefirah

well. um. wow.

for my part: my empty shell of a heart is in the east, to paraphrase yehuda halevi. doesn’t make me any less of an american.

kay: you sound like someone who would spout the original blood libel, if only enough people would listen to you. good luck with that.

thanks to the lizards who did the research.


Lizard (not plural)
Sergey!!!

242 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:17pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

He supported the killing of Iraqi children and adults who had nothing to do with 9/11! Oh wait. That’s okay to you. Nevermind.

243 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:17pm

re: #223 Reginald Perrin

Is she nas bad as the guy who makes a grass knoll joke on a thread discussing the shooting Saturday afternoon?

what do you think?….make up your own mind

244 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:18pm

I don’t like Joe Lieberman at all. I think he’s a pandering douchebag.

But holy crap WTF DID I JUST READ?!?!

waaaaaay too far.

245 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:21pm

re: #238 KayInMaine

Yes I do. I can’t stand them. Is that okay or is the freedom of speech only limited to your point of view?

You can spout off about whatever stupid shit you want. I can rightly mock you for being a bigoted moron. What, don’t you respect MY freedom of speech you twit?

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:40pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

OK, here’s Kay’s posting about Joe Lieberman again, in all its “glory”. Sorry, folks.

Pasty white Israel?

Ran through several possible jokes, but have chosen to go with none of them.

Thank you, Sergey.

247 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:07pm

re: #240 Kefirah

Yeah, I posted some pictures of Israeli soldiers in the thread where Kay’s comment came up. A distinct lack of pastiness or whiteness.

248 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:14pm

re: #240 Kefirah

the irony there being that israel is far from pasty white. it’s mizrachi, yemeni, sefardi AND ashkenazi. hummus consumption is practically the national sport for a reason.

Beta Israel.

249 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:27pm

re: #240 Kefirah

the irony there being that israel is far from pasty white. it’s mizrachi, yemeni, sefardi AND ashkenazi. hummus consumption is practically the national sport for a reason.

sshhhh,, don’t tell Kay,, it’ll ruin her perception that all Israelis are “pasty white” bank owners and doctors,, EVERY single one of them

250 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:30pm
#184 albusteve

right…it’s just a shame the guy was not run over by a truck in the parking lot...the FBI has tried to connect mental illness to gun sales forever, but the national data base is weak and full of holes…it’s all about funding

Such hatred and violent rhetoric!

251 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:50pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

Do some research and get back to me!
On second thought, just do the former and skip the latter!
(still misrepresenting what was ssaid, but keep swingin’!)

another nail gun involved?

252 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:53pm

re: #11 brownbagj

These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!

//

Have a beer. No. Wait. Have three.

253 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:00pm

re: #216 Kefirah

you and me, both.

check the link in this comment by Sergey

254 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:24pm

re: #227 albusteve

Too much hearsay unfortunately.

255 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:32pm

re: #245 McSpiff

And I can mock you back? Spout away! I’m not stopping you but one guy above wants me banned. :D I’m detecting some hypocrisy…

256 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:36pm

I dunno man, most of the Israelis I have met have a pretty good year round tan going on. Pasty isn’t the term for most middle easterners. Just sayin’.

257 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:37pm

re: #248 McSpiff

fair play, sir. and the b’nei menashe.

the idea that israel is a big cabal of ashkenazi bankers + doctors would be hilarious if it weren’t so damn frightening.

oh, the protocols. will you never die?

258 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:33:11pm

re: #251 albusteve

another nail gun involved?

Nope,, the same one (from the same thread)

Reggie thought he had me in a “gotchya”

259 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:33:13pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

Lizard (not plural)
Sergey!!!

No, no, Sattv also uncovered another “cool” posting:

Why is it Joe Lieberman the Jew can have two home countries but President Obama cannot?

What an interesting development this is. The other day First Lady Michelle Obama was talking to the LGBT community about AIDS testing and talked about how she and Barack on a trip to Kenya took a public AIDS test in his ‘home country’, and now the right wingers are going crazy because they believe the First Lady is admitting that Kenya is President Obama’s home country and that he was not born in America.

Here’s First Lady Michelle Obama….

Now, tell me…why is it okay for Joe Lieberman to have two home countries: America and Israel? Huh? And why is it our American born (in Hawaii) President who had an American mother (born in Kansas) and a Kenyan father (he was also named Barack Hussein Obama) not feel like he has two home countries because that is here heritage and where his bloodline flows?

260 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:33:54pm

re: #224 Obdicut

According to Kay, the United States is killing Iraqi children at the behest of Israel.

Not joking. She really said that.

I knew this about Kaye when I first saw her post on LGF. A click on her avatar led me to her blog. Did a search on Israel and OH BOY, what I found. Very biased posts.

261 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:02pm

Why do some have a problem with “pasty white”? I’m Italian/Native American and would not be considered “pasty white” either.

262 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:05pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

No, no, Sattv also uncovered another “cool” posting:

{blush}
Thanky!

263 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:13pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

That was the post that most made me think she was a parody.

264 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:37pm

re: #263 Obdicut

That was the post that most made me think she was a parody.

If only!

265 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:51pm

Poe’s Law continually reminds us that you can never be sure when somebody is joking.

266 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:52pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

I thought that was a good argument I made. You don’t think so? Obama doesn’t have two homelands, but if being part of two countries is what teh wingers scream about, then why is it okay for Lieberman to have citizenship in two places and isn’t receiving the same kind of backlash Obama has over the last few years?

267 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:01pm

re: #263 Obdicut

well, her link is to “white noise insanity.” guess we all should have been tipped off as to her mental acumen and racist rants - she states them openly enough.

268 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:34pm

re: #266 KayInMaine

How old are you?

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:43pm

re: #250 KayInMaine

Such hatred and violent rhetoric!

It would have been better for him to die, rather than kill six innocents and wound fourteen or so more.

270 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:52pm

re: #261 KayInMaine

Why do some have a problem with “pasty white”? I’m Italian/Native American and would not be considered “pasty white” either.

I’ve never known “pasty white” to be used in an endearing way.

271 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:05pm

re: #238 KayInMaine

Yes I do. I can’t stand them. Is that okay or is the freedom of speech only limited to your point of view?

here’s some freedom of speech…you are a pathetic degenerate that will contribute nothing to a rational debate…your anti-semitic lust is so perverse, it contaminates whatever cred your twisted brain thought you had…your crude scenarios pin you for gutter trash…your blog is a third rate mess, no more than a haven for hate speech…you are not clever by half

272 simoom  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:15pm

re: #232 lostlakehiker

This “paper trail” doesn’t include any quotes or paraphrases of Angle’s talking points. Angle was running against Reid, not Giffords. I’m not aware that she ever mentioned Giffords by name and I assume that if she had, that would have been brought up.

I’m not going to argue any sort of direct connection, but Sharon Angle did push into the national political dialog the concept using firearms as a fall-back for failing to win elections. Her “second amendment remedies” had wide coverage in both national and local media (as she was running in a tightly contested senatorial election against the majority leader of the opposition party).

Would Loughner still have gone through with his plans if Rep. Giffords hadn’t just narrowly won her reelection campaign against her vitriolic tea party rival? Who knows, but somehow I doubt it.

273 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:16pm

re: #268 McSpiff

How old are you?

You never should ask a lady her age, so it’s okay to do it here!

274 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:20pm

I’m not racist. I don’t like the Israeli government and I only dislike a few Jews…Joe Lieberman is one of them. He made me angry during the Bush Years and to this day I can’t forgive him.

275 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:01pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

OK, here’s Kay’s posting about Joe Lieberman again, in all its “glory”. Sorry, folks.

Oh dear. Calling a Jew a Nazi. That’s not good…. not good at all.

Kay, do you really think this way?

276 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:10pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

I’m not racist. I don’t like the Israeli government and I only dislike a few Jews…Joe Lieberman is one of them. He made me angry during the Bush Years and to this day I can’t forgive him.

Does Israel have the right to exist?

277 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:15pm

re: #270 reine.de.tout

I’ve never known “pasty white” to be used in an endearing way.

“Sweetheart ,, I just can’t live without your pasty white skin next to me for eternity. Will you marry me!!”

278 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:18pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

You only dislike a few Jews, but allege that the US is killing Iraqi children at the behest of Israel.

Yeah, right.

279 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:26pm

re: #270 reine.de.tout

And I’m not using it in an endearing way. :D

280 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:36pm

re: #254 Rightwingconspirator

Too much hearsay unfortunately.

yup…time, the story will eventually come out

281 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:03pm

re: #238 KayInMaine

Yes I do. I can’t stand them. Is that okay or is the freedom of speech only limited to your point of view?

Dearie, freedom of speech means only that you can’t be sent to jail. You can jolly well get downdinged. I don’t much go in for personal attacks on this page. I try to keep a respectful tone. But it’s really hard, reading what you wrote, to stick to that.

You manage in just a few sentences to slander Lieberman specifically, America generally, Israel generally, Jews generally, and whites generally. You fail to recognize that Lieberman is bright enough to have no truck with “secret Muslim” or “birther” nonsense.

Your account will be banned within hours, because you’ll say something yet more offensive that violates the rules of this site.

282 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:05pm

re: #271 albusteve

here’s some freedom of speech…you are a pathetic degenerate that will contribute nothing to a rational debate…your anti-semitic lust is so perverse, it contaminates whatever cred your twisted brain thought you had…your crude scenarios pin you for gutter trash…your blog is a third rate mess, no more than a haven for hate speech…you are not clever by half

I thought Walter was our resident wordsmith! Well said!

283 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:06pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

I’m not racist. I don’t like the Israeli government and I only dislike a few MILLION Jews…Joe Lieberman is one of them. He made me angry during the Bush Years and to this day I can’t forgive him.

ftfy

284 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:26pm

re: #266 KayInMaine

I thought that was a good argument I made. You don’t think so? Obama doesn’t have two homelands, but if being part of two countries is what teh wingers scream about, then why is it okay for Lieberman to have citizenship in two places and isn’t receiving the same kind of backlash Obama has over the last few years?

Joe has an Israeli citizenship? That’s news for me. And for Joe.

285 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:29pm

re: #229 Fozzie Bear

Joe Lieberman once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. /

I love you, Fozzie :)

286 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:50pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

hello: red flag!

instead of saying that you dislike a few people who HAPPEN to be jewish, you went ahead and lumped them into a group. much easier to hate a group, isn’t it?

and then to add a smiling emoticon when saying that you weren’t using “pasty white” in an endearing way - i hope there are mental health services available in your area. of course, i’d wager that according to you, too many of the doctors would be jewish to be of much comfort to you.

287 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:08pm

re: #278 Obdicut

Joe’s undying support of illegally invading Iraq and killing the people there (no sympathy of what was happening was not apparent in his words along with others in the Congress) got me worked up and it still does.

288 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:31pm

re: #284 Sergey Romanov

Joe has an Israeli citizenship? That’s news for me. And for Joe.

shhh ,,, we’re keeping it a secret from him. We’re giving to him on his next birthday!

289 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:42pm

re: #287 KayInMaine

he’s not the only politician who supported the war in iraq, and yet he’s the one on whom you choose to harp. he’s also jewish. no coincidence, i think.

290 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:41:09pm

It is quite possible to criticize specific policies and trends in Israel in a way that doesn’t sound stark raving looney. Kay, please consider narrowing the focus of your ire to policies you don’t agree with.

It’s totally legit to say “I think that the way policy X is being implemented is counterproductive and unwise” or even that “I think political figure Y in Israel is a jerk.”

Having said that, phrases like “killing Iraqi children on behalf of Israel” don’t make any kind of specific case. They just make you look crazy.

291 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:41:25pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

I’m trying not to read that stuff. It upsets me. Joe the Jew. Jewish Joe. I guess “Jew Boy” is all played out?? Wowzer.

Sorry I ever supported her.

292 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:41:38pm
Does this thing have a name? “Watch: To sow confusion and stoke rage, I’ll accuse those people there of exactly what I am doing right now.”

[Link: twitter.com…]

293 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:41:59pm

re: #287 KayInMaine

That is a completely, cowardly, craven dodge.

You specifically said the US was killing Iraqi children at the behest of Israel.

That is an absurd, stupid, foul, racist claim.

You suck.

294 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:42:04pm

re: #290 Fozzie Bear

It is quite possible to criticize specific policies and trends in Israel in a way that doesn’t sound stark raving looney. Kay, please consider narrowing the focus of your ire to policies you don’t agree with.

It’s totally legit to say “I think that the way policy X is being implemented is counterproductive and unwise” or even that “I think political figure Y in Israel is a jerk.”

Having said that, phrases like “killing Iraqi children on behalf of Israel” don’t make any kind of specific case. They just make you look crazy.

What benefit has Israel gotten from the Iraq war. More angry Muslims? A stronger Iran? Some countries have all the luck…

295 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:42:28pm

re: #266 KayInMaine

I thought that was a good argument I made. You don’t think so? Obama doesn’t have two homelands, but if being part of two countries is what teh wingers scream about, then why is it okay for Lieberman to have citizenship in two places and isn’t receiving the same kind of backlash Obama has over the last few years?

I am a dual citizen of Ireland and the USA, due to my Irish grandfather’s military service during WWII, and policies passed at the time to encourage people to become citizens and soldiers of the US. There’s nothing wrong with it.

296 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:42:44pm

re: #289 Kefirah

He was also a Democrat at the time! That’s the other thing that pissed me off. He basically became a republican during those years. I’m telling ya….he still infuriates me!

297 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:42:47pm

re: #293 Obdicut

That is a completely, cowardly, craven dodge.

You specifically said the US was killing Iraqi children at the behest of Israel.

That is an absurd, stupid, foul, racist claim.

You suck.


As someone who “sucks’, I take offense
She’s WAY below suckage!

298 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:43:15pm

re: #290 Fozzie Bear

i would like to bold your comment, print it out, and carry it with me everywhere. there is a hefty chunk of humanity who cannot understand that legitimate critique of policy is not the same nor does it justify questioning israel’s right to exist.

kol hakavod, boss.

299 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:43:23pm

re: #295 Fozzie Bear

I am a dual citizen of Ireland and the USA, due to my Irish grandfather’s military service during WWII, and policies passed at the time to encourage people to become citizens and soldiers of the US. There’s nothing wrong with it.

Lucky, if my grandfather had known he could claim Irish citizenship, we’d all have it. Unfortunately we only found years later.

300 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:43:37pm

re: #295 Fozzie Bear

I have no problem with dual citizenship, but the wingers do, and again…that’s the point I was trying to make. :D

301 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:15pm

re: #296 KayInMaine

there were other democrats who supported the war in iraq. hello - the iraq war resolution passed the senate. leiberman can’t do that on his own.

302 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:25pm

re: #300 KayInMaine

I have no problem with dual citizenship, but the wingers do, and again…that’s the point I was trying to make. :D

I see

So the anti semetic rant about Lieberman was just an extra added bonus!!

Yipppeee!!!

303 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:25pm

re: #300 KayInMaine

I have no problem with dual citizenship, but the wingers do, and again…that’s the point I was trying to make. :D

Again, I’m asking if you feel Israel has the right to exist?

304 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:34pm

re: #293 Obdicut

Who benefited from invading Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein in the area?

305 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:57pm

re: #303 McSpiff

Again, I’m asking if you feel Israel has the right to exist?

Yes, as long as it’s not by those peksy “Jews!”

306 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:23pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

I’m not racist. I don’t like the Israeli government and I only dislike a few Jews...Joe Lieberman is one of them. He made me angry during the Bush Years and to this day I can’t forgive him.

The “pasty white” ones.
Yes. you made that clear.

307 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:27pm

re: #303 McSpiff

re: #305 sattv4u2

Yes, as long as it’s not by those peksy pesky “Jews!”

pimf

308 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:39pm

re: #303 McSpiff

Yes they do. Israel is more than a birthplace. It’s a place where people live. :D All countries on our planet deserve to exist.

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:41pm

re: #270 reine.de.tout

I’ve never known “pasty white” to be used in an endearing way.

Well, I have, mostly from African American friends who know me well enough to be sure I won’t mind. But in general, no, it’s not usually a nice way to describe the melanin-challenged.

And in this case, it’s also inaccurate as hell.

310 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:43pm

re: #306 reine.de.tout

The “pasty white” ones.
Yes. you made that clear.

ouch!

311 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:50pm

re: #290 Fozzie Bear

It is quite possible to criticize specific policies and trends in Israel in a way that doesn’t sound stark raving looney. Kay, please consider narrowing the focus of your ire to policies you don’t agree with.

It’s totally legit to say “I think that the way policy X is being implemented is counterproductive and unwise” or even that “I think political figure Y in Israel is a jerk.”

Having said that, phrases like “killing Iraqi children on behalf of Israel” don’t make any kind of specific case. They just make you look crazy.

Hmmm.

312 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:50pm

re: #301 Kefirah

there were other democrats who supported the war in iraq. hello - the iraq war resolution passed the senate. leiberman can’t do that on his own.

Well no, but as the Secret Jew Cabal Supervisor to the House, he certainly bares more responsibility than most.

And this is why Obicut is right about not letting Blood Libel become a generic term sadly.

313 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:46:22pm

re: #296 KayInMaine

He was also a Democrat at the time! That’s the other thing that pissed me off. He basically became a republican during those years. I’m telling ya…he still infuriates me!

who cares what you think….if you had half a brain, you’d realize you are being toyed with

314 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:46:27pm

re: #304 KayInMaine

How on earth do you think Israel benefited? Saddam was a more secular state, not a big sponsor of terrorism. The worst he’d ever done was lob a few scuds at Israel during the first Iraq war. Israel has worse enemies all around her. Iraq is now turning into a more religious state, making friends with countries that hate and loath Israel whereas before Iraq was relatively isolated in the Middle East.

Why do you feel that the US acts at the behest of Israel? How are Jews able to control the US?

You suck.

315 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:46:37pm

re: #300 KayInMaine

I have no problem with dual citizenship, but the wingers do, and again…that’s the point I was trying to make. :D

President Obama doesn’t have dual citizenship.
Are you saying he does?

WTF are you talking about?

316 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:46:40pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

I’m not racist. I don’t like the Israeli government and I only dislike a few Jews…Joe Lieberman is one of them. He made me angry during the Bush Years and to this day I can’t forgive him.

You know, even after all the crazy and objectively antisemitic stuff you wrote I can kinda hypothesize that your problem is not so much in hatred of all Jews as in your inability to differentiate legitimate rhetoric from bigoted one. Because the way you wrote your postings is the way losers on Stormfront write theirs. If this is the case, I don’t know what the recipe should be, but you need to reconsider what you write and why you write it.

317 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:02pm

re: #314 Obdicut

How on earth do you think Israel benefited? Saddam was a more secular state, not a big sponsor of terrorism. The worst he’d ever done was lob a few scuds at Israel during the first Iraq war. Israel has worse enemies all around her. Iraq is now turning into a more religious state, making friends with countries that hate and loath Israel whereas before Iraq was relatively isolated in the Middle East.

Why do you feel that the US acts at the behest of Israel? How are Jews able to control the US?

You suck.

Yeah but Israel bombed his nuclear reactor. Totally unfair :(

318 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:45pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I have, mostly from African American friends who know me well enough to be sure I won’t mind. But in general, no, it’s not usually a nice way to describe the melanin-challenged.

And in this case, it’s also inaccurate as hell.

Yes, I know it’s inaccurate.
I’m not exactly “pasty white” myself.
Though I know a woman who is the whitest white I’ve ever seen. But just one.

319 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:48pm

re: #274 KayInMaine

I’m not racist. I don’t like the Israeli government and I only dislike a few Jews…Joe Lieberman is one of them. He made me angry during the Bush Years and to this day I can’t forgive him.

You drop the n* word about Black people you don’t like?

You have no business whatsoever describing Lieberman as you did, nor Israel, nor Jews. That’s anti-Semitism and if you don’t know it, you should know it now.

I think your feelings about religion (being anti-religion) has soaked your brain. You really need to think about what you say. Or maybe you don’t care.

320 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:49pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

See, this is why I think she may be an absurd parody of a moonbat. Or she’s just an absurd moonbat. She’s basically alleging that Obama has divided loyalties between the US and Kenya— which is exactly what someone who hated Obama would allege.

321 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:54pm

re: #313 albusteve

I don’t much care what you think! You’re abusive too.

322 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:48:12pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

I already stated he didn’t. Pay attention!

323 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:48:30pm

re: #320 Obdicut

See, this is why I think she may be an absurd parody of a moonbat. Or she’s just an absurd moonbat. She’s basically alleging that Obama has divided loyalties between the US and Kenya— which is exactly what someone who hated Obama would allege.

exactly.
Weird.

324 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:48:46pm

re: #320 Obdicut

No I did not say that! Reread what I wrote.

325 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:48:52pm

re: #322 KayInMaine

I already stated he didn’t. Pay attention!

Well, I don’t take orders from you.
Much as you might like me to …

326 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:49:13pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

President Obama doesn’t have dual citizenship.
Are you saying he does?

WTF are you talking about?

Ironically neither of the two people she claims to have dual-citizenship actually have it. I guess that’s kind of like a double negative?

327 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:49:40pm

re: #304 KayInMaine

Every neighbor he had. The claim we did this at the behest of Israel and forgetting to mention every Arab or Persian state near him flies in the face of real facts.

The logic is right up there with the truthers. Your credibility is gone.

328 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:49:41pm

re: #297 sattv4u2

As someone who “sucks’, I take offense
She’s WAY below suckage!

Do you notice something about Kaye? She’s an Israel basher who also uses those annoying emoticons?

We’ve had two others on LGF who are also Israel bashers who also use emoticons during serious discussions. Doesn’t really mean anything but I just noticed it.

329 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:03pm

Here’s what I said:

“266 KayInMaine Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:52pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

I thought that was a good argument I made. You don’t think so? Obama doesn’t have two homelands, but if being part of two countries is what teh wingers scream about, then why is it okay for Lieberman to have citizenship in two places and isn’t receiving the same kind of backlash Obama has over the last few years?

330 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:04pm

re: #326 McSpiff

She’s making a claim for metaphysical dual citizenship, I think. The old, old antisemitic claim that American Jews have more loyalty to Israel than the US.

So stupid.

331 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:06pm

re: #315 reine.de.tout

President Obama doesn’t have dual citizenship.
Are you saying he does?

WTF are you talking about?

Obama doesn’t have dual citizenship. Also, Joe Lieberman doesn’t have dual citizenship. So it seems fairly clear this is not a conversation about dual citizenship and its role in our lives.

332 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:17pm

re: #207 Rightwingconspirator

Yes I am. If you still have the papers take a peek. A bunch of other things apply too. Most gun control advocates are blissfully unaware of existing restrictions.

I have all my divorce related documents, what you say is in them is NOT in them. You’re describing a restraining order.

333 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:10pm

re: #330 Obdicut

She’s making a claim for metaphysical dual citizenship, I think. The old, old antisemitic claim that American Jews have more loyalty to Israel than the US.

So stupid.

As a former Catholic, I have some familiarity with these types of claims…

334 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:45pm

re: #320 Obdicut

Effing truther logic. Bush did it for Israel. Different topic identical logic.

335 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:46pm

re: #318 reine.de.tout

Yes, I know it’s inaccurate.
I’m not exactly “pasty white” myself.
Though I know a woman who is the whitest white I’ve ever seen. But just one.

The sister of a friend of mine once went on a walking tour in Bali. While stopping in a small village way out in the middle of nowhere, a small child was egged on by her friends to run out and swipe the foreign lady’s leg to see if the paint would come off.

Yeah. They’re that pale.

Finns.

336 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:49pm

re: #329 KayInMaine

Here’s what I said:

“266 KayInMaine Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:52pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

I thought that was a good argument I made. You don’t think so? Obama doesn’t have two homelands, but if being part of two countries is what teh wingers scream about, then why is it okay for Lieberman to have citizenship in two places and isn’t receiving the same kind of backlash Obama has over the last few years?

Lieberman doesn’t have citizenships in two places. FAIL.

337 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:52:26pm

re: #321 KayInMaine

I don’t much care what you think! You’re abusive too.

I’m restrained actually…you and your filth are not uncommon around here at one time or another and all displayed the same perversions you have…you are not part of any solution, you are the problem

338 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:52:52pm

re: #330 Obdicut

Actually, I am wrong. He doesn’t have dual-citizenship. Always thought he did. It’s his loyalty (and I’m not saying he can’t!) during the Bush Years and knowing we were killing Iraqis that totally upset me. And it still upsets me.

339 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:09pm

re: #331 SanFranciscoZionist

Obama doesn’t have dual citizenship. Also, Joe Lieberman doesn’t have dual citizenship. So it seems fairly clear this is not a conversation about dual citizenship and its role in our lives.

Sums it up really well, I think.

340 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:29pm

re: #330 Obdicut

She’s making a claim for metaphysical dual citizenship, I think. The old, old antisemitic claim that American Jews have more loyalty to Israel than the US.

So stupid.

No. She’s TRYING to say if the Wingnuts can claim Obama isn’t of this (USA) country, then neither is Lieberman because of his allegence to Israel

DURING that (and failing at it) she manages to malign Lieberman, Israel, and Jews

341 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:34pm

re: #329 KayInMaine

Here’s what I said:

“266 KayInMaine Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:52pm

re: #259 Sergey Romanov

I thought that was a good argument I made. You don’t think so? Obama doesn’t have two homelands, but if being part of two countries is what teh wingers scream about, then why is it okay for Lieberman to have citizenship in two places and isn’t receiving the same kind of backlash Obama has over the last few years?

Ah yes… Jews have dual citizenship. See get that?

You’re a moron. Jews don’t have dual citizenship. They have right to settle in Israel and become citizens with a lot less to-do than others. It’s called “The Law of Return.”

342 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:35pm

re: #333 McSpiff

As a former Catholic, I have some familiarity with these types of claims…

John F. Kennedy will take orders from the Pope of Rome!!

(I like the way those screeds always clarify ‘of Rome’, as though to make clear that Kennedy will not be taking orders from, say, the Pope of Avignon.)

343 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:47pm

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

How long ago? They showed me this at a class I took. The papers may have changed, it was an egregious requirement. It was in the fine print on the back. I took the class about 15-20 years ago.

344 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:00pm

re: #338 KayInMaine

Always thought he did.

Now think about why you did.

345 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:11pm

re: #338 KayInMaine

You’re such a coward. You accused the US of killing Iraqi children on the behest of Israel, and you can’t bring yourself to deal with the fact you said it. You’re trying to hide behind being ‘upset’, while claiming that Jews control US policy.

That sucks.

You suck.

346 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:24pm

re: #338 KayInMaine

Actually, I am wrong. He doesn’t have dual-citizenship. Always thought he did. It’s his loyalty (and I’m not saying he can’t!) during the Bush Years and knowing we were killing Iraqis that totally upset me. And it still upsets me.

So why single him out than, other than his religion? Why are his loyalties any more divided than the various supporters on the Iraq War and AIPAC on capital hill?

347 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:30pm

re: #221 Sergey Romanov

Pasty white Israel

Kay would be very surprised if she ever visited Israel.

348 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:32pm

re: #320 Obdicut

See, this is why I think she may be an absurd parody of a moonbat. Or she’s just an absurd moonbat. She’s basically alleging that Obama has divided loyalties between the US and Kenya— which is exactly what someone who hated Obama would allege.

The circle is complete.

349 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:45pm

Jewish right of return.

[Link: www.mfa.gov.il…]

350 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:14pm

re: #346 McSpiff

So why single him out than, other than his religion? Why are his loyalties any more divided than the various supporters on the Iraq War and AIPAC on capital hill?

Because he’s an eeeevil jooo…
/

351 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:17pm

Oh NOEZ!!11! Teh J00Z!!!

Really?

352 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:36pm

I hate Internet nazis.

353 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:36pm

re: #337 albusteve

I am not the problem. You are! This all started this morning with the rage against me for not capitalizing JESUS. Now you’re using an old post I did. *rolling eyes*

Have me banned please just so my head will stop spinning. :D

354 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:51pm

re: #351 ArchangelMichael

Oh NOEZ!!11! Teh J00Z!!!

Really?

And the award for best entrance goes to…

355 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:55pm

re: #338 KayInMaine

Actually, I am wrong.
Shocka ,,
Film at 11 !

356 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:09pm

re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist

John F. Kennedy will take orders from the Pope of Rome!!

(I like the way those screeds always clarify ‘of Rome’, as though to make clear that Kennedy will not be taking orders from, say, the Pope of Avignon.)

or even The King of Pop.

357 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:26pm

re: #353 KayInMaine

Oh no, we’re unfairly attacking you for something you said about how Jews made the US kill Iraqi children, how utterly evil of us!

358 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:37pm

re: #338 KayInMaine

so now that lizards have yanked the citizenship rug out from under you, you fall back on: “i’m still angry about iraq, so that justifies slandering him.”

methinks you just want to hate jews. you’re sneaky, too. tricksome, even. when we asked if you thought israel had a right to exist, you said “it wasn’t just a birthplace.”

look at you, undermining the law of return! you must think you’re quite bright, working that into your acknowledgment of the state.

take your emoticons and your modern antisemitism and go eat a popsicle - far, far away from here.

359 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:38pm

re: #353 KayInMaine

Can we call this one a flounce and be done with it?

360 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:55pm

re: #357 Obdicut

Oh no, we’re unfairly attacking you for something you said about how Jews made the US kill Iraqi children, how utterly evil of us!

I’m hanging my head in shame

Care to join me!

361 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:24pm

re: #345 Obdicut

And we also killed Iraqis on a big fat lie! Is everyone okay with that too? I’m confused…is everyone here happy with the Iraq war and the repercussions of it?

362 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:30pm

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

I screwed up. Too long ago. My apologies.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

[Link: www.gunlaw.com…]

Darn it I hate it when I mess up like that.

363 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:49pm

I was, and still remain 110% against the Iraq War, and I still think this is beyond stupid… Man, I hate it when bigots and idiots agree with me.

364 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:49pm

re: #342 SanFranciscoZionist

John F. Kennedy will take orders from the Pope of Rome!!

(I like the way those screeds always clarify ‘of Rome’, as though to make clear that Kennedy will not be taking orders from, say, the Pope of Avignon.)

Sedevacantists, unite!

365 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:58pm

re: #353 KayInMaine

I am not the problem. You are! This all started this morning with the rage against me for not capitalizing JESUS. Now you’re using an old post I did. *rolling eyes*

Have me banned please just so my head will stop spinning. :D

WRONG ,, it all “started” when a couple of us finally looked at your pathetic website and got a glimpse of your pathetic mindset

366 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:11pm

re: #353 KayInMaine

I am not the problem. You are! This all started this morning with the rage against me for not capitalizing JESUS. Now you’re using an old post I did. *rolling eyes*

Have me banned please just so my head will stop spinning. :D

I never said a word about your grammar…if I did you can prove it, you two bit liar….you are stuck on stupid and I could care less if you are banned, it’s not my call…your facts are all fucked up just like you are…show us the grammar post that concerns you so much…show it and link me to it, or shut the fuck up about it

367 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:37pm

re: #361 KayInMaine

I am quite unhappy with the invasion. Compounding it with baseless accusations just add to the unhappiness.

Why echo GWB level credibility?

368 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:44pm

re: #303 McSpiff

Again, I’m asking if you feel Israel has the right to exist?

McSpiff - did you get an answer yet?

369 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:48pm

re: #357 Obdicut

Oh no, we’re unfairly attacking you for something you said about how Jews made the US kill Iraqi children, how utterly evil of us!

I’ve been accused of being part of a grand Zionist-Jewish cabal; that “we” Jews control everything from the media to foreign policy. It’s fun to take a jab at the bigot standing in front of me with the simple question, “So where’s my ZOG check?” or statement “Yeah, next year we’re going to try to infiltrate the water and electric companies.”

370 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:00:03pm

Well, lookie what I’ve found.

Americans are not stupid. We know a cover-up when we see it. Since the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11/01, there have been many unanswered questions about these two atrocities and it appears the only answer the FBI and our government will give us is a couple of crumbs and call it good. Well, it’s not good enough. After 9/11/01, the American people demanded to know what actually hit the Pentagon on that fateful morning, because not only was the damage to the building suspect on what created it, but many people said they saw an all white government plane flying around before the Pentagon was hit. To quell the questions Americans were having, Donald Rumsfeld decided to release the “one and only tape” from the grounds of the Pentagon to show Americans that a commercial airliner did indeed hit the building that morning. Here’s the crumb he gave us to watch:

blah blah

The problem is….our government was involved in both of these attacks in one way or another. Dick Cheney on the morning of 9/11/01 created a Shadow Government and said that they (the Bush Regime) had to go to the ‘dark side’. Well, I believe this very violent Shadow Government has been in force for years behind the scenes. In fact, I believe that al-Qaida is the base (al-Qaida means “The Base”) of the Bush Family & Friends, Inc. and is their personal death squad to use to get whatever they want. It’s very interesting that the Bush Regime did away with the Able Danger investigation/program. Why? To this day, we don’t know a damn new thing about al-Qaida either. Again, why? Is it because the players of both are on the payrolls of very important known individuals? Hey, could be. Until proven otherwise, I will continue to believe we’ve been duped for years now.

Posted September 28, 2009 by KayInMaine. Comments and trackbacks are closed.

So the govt did both 9/11 AND the Oklahoma bombing. I think we’re done here.

371 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:00:06pm

re: #353 KayInMaine

I am not the problem. You are! This all started this morning with the rage against me for not capitalizing JESUS. Now you’re using an old post I did. *rolling eyes*

Have me banned please just so my head will stop spinning. :D


Why ,, so you can wear that as a badge of honor?

“Those evil Israeli loving Lizards got me banned. And I didn’t even DO anything”

Sorry sister, you go down, it’s on your own petard

372 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:00:39pm

re: #368 reine.de.tout

McSpiff - did you get an answer yet?

Yes, but #358 shows why it was a bit of an underhanded answer.

373 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:02pm

re: #370 Sergey Romanov

HOLY SHIT ,, from the same site!!
DING DING DING ,,we have a winner!

374 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:10pm

re: #370 Sergey Romanov

Well, lookie what I’ve found.

blah blah

So the govt did both 9/11 AND the Oklahoma bombing. I think we’re done here.

Well, I hope so.

375 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:21pm

re: #361 KayInMaine

I was adamantly opposed to the Iraq war. I was adamantly opposed to the way it was sold to the US people.

That has nothing to do with your specific, stupid allegation that we killed Iraqi children at the behest of Israel.

376 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:53pm

re: #361 KayInMaine

And we also killed Iraqis on a big fat lie! Is everyone okay with that too? I’m confused…is everyone here happy with the Iraq war and the repercussions of it?

to say you are confused is misleading…you are flat out lying through you bigoted teeth….you break the Dope Meter

377 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:19pm

re: #370 Sergey Romanov

Oh geeze.

GAZE from this point onwards.

378 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:23pm

KAY ,,, Has Alex Jones posted at your site? If not, you REALLY should get himtoo

like minds, and all!

379 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:24pm

re: #361 KayInMaine

And we also killed Iraqis on a big fat lie! Is everyone okay with that too? I’m confused…is everyone here happy with the Iraq war and the repercussions of it?

No. Plenty of lizards opposed/continue to oppose/have come to oppose the war in Iraq. We have a wide range of opinion on the subject here. We even argue, openly and with consideration, about it sometimes.

And yet, we’re all mad at lil’ ol’ you.

Think about why that might be.

380 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:29pm

re: #370 Sergey Romanov

Good grief. Yup, I’m done with that one.

381 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:44pm

Steve is kind of enjoyable when you’re not the one he’s trying to claw the eyes out of…

382 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:03:10pm

Moonbat is as Moonbat does.

383 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:03:38pm

Example of Kay’s grotesque bias, re: The Flotilla:

Israel has committed war crimes on international waters. They say they were defending themselves. Really? Defending yourself? Sorry Israel but you were the PIRATES boarding another vessel via a helicopter by lowering in one of your soldiers who was armed to the hilt against defenseless people and who started firing when some of the HUMANITARIAN WORKERS FROM TURKEY pushed you! Pushed. You. Yes, that’s right. An unarmed person pushed one of your own and you decided to mow down those on the deck and on the HUMANITARIAN SHIP with gunfire in retaliation!

BE DAMNED ISRAEL! YOUR OWN PARANOIA WILL DESTROY YOU! Let me be the first to say: NOT ONE AMERICAN SOLDIER TO BE PUT ON THE GROUND IN ISRAEL TO DEFEND ISRAEL AFTER THEY’VE COMMITTED THIS WAR CRIME ON INTERNATIONAL WATERS! You’re on your own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait for the highly edited video tape of this incident put out by the propagandists in Israel! What Israel is forgetting is the ORIGINAL tape is already out there and it shows the Israelis as the aggressors and perpetrators of murder on the high seas! Spit.

384 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:03:55pm

re: #381 McSpiff

The right man for the right job is always a pleasure.

385 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:04:09pm

re: #373 sattv4u2

HOLY SHIT ,, from the same site!!
DING DING DING ,,we have a winner!

oh yeah…surf around in there…this person is deranged…:D

386 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:04:17pm

re: #382 Sergey Romanov

Moonbat is as Moonbat does.

Yup, I’m calling this one as a typical campus moonbat. I’ve heard all these same arguments before. They watch spare change and bam, here we are.

387 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:05:19pm

I just reread my post I did that you’re all talking about and it was an angry post. Wow! I remember how I felt. In our country at that time (which still exists to this moment) there was anti-Muslim rhetoric going on. The Fort Hood shooter was a Muslim (I condemned what he did) and an American, but my response was in reaction to what Collins & Lieberman were about to do and I felt like their hearing was going to fuel more hatred towards one group of people. Do I believe the Holocaust happened? Yes. Do I think it’s bad when Lieberman goes after one group of people (along with Collins who also makes me angry!)? Yes. Do I think it’s hypocritical and another way for him to impress the right wing of this country which I think looks forward to these public attacks on the Muslims? Yes.

388 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:05:42pm

re: #353 KayInMaine

I am not the problem. You are! This all started this morning with the rage against me for not capitalizing JESUS. Now you’re using an old post I did. *rolling eyes*

Have me banned please just so my head will stop spinning. :D

If only that were your problem!

389 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:05:58pm

re: #383 eclectic infidel

Example of Kay’s grotesque bias, re: The Flotilla:

ah.
So, Joe Lieberman and his Iraq stance isn’t the only thing Kay is concerned about.

*well, we knew that already*

390 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:06:00pm

re: #361 KayInMaine

And we also killed Iraqis on a big fat lie! Is everyone okay with that too? I’m confused…is everyone here happy with the Iraq war and the repercussions of it?

Pretty sure we ‘killed Iraqis’ because Iraq was violating UN Security Council Resolutions 687, 688, and 689 on a daily basis for over 12 years. The “big lie” was just a way to get popular support for carrying out the consequences of those violations because the average Joe (with a 30 second attention span and who barely remembers what happened 6 months ago) couldn’t really give a shit less about UN resolutions from over a decade ago.

391 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:06:13pm

re: #332 goddamnedfrank

Also, the restraining order prohibition is not intrinsically related to either California, divorce in California, or divorce in general. Subjects of domestic abuse restraining orders are prohibited from possessing or purchasing firearms as a matter of federal law, 1994’s Violence Against Women Act. Me and my ex opted for a Summary Dissolution of Marriage, cheap and easy. No lawyers, there was no formal hearing before a judge, we walked in together, filed with the clerk, split the fee, waited the requisite amount of time and then petitioned for a final judgment of divorce, all with zero restrictions attached to our freedoms.

392 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:06:16pm

re: #370 Sergey Romanov

I believe either our government allowed 9/11 to happen or they wanted the attack! Another reason why I was so against attacking and invading Iraq.

393 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:06:36pm

re: #390 ArchangelMichael

Oh and it had nothing to do with teh j00z!!! either.

394 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:07:21pm

Wow, so many truthers today.

395 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:07:24pm

re: #387 KayInMaine

Do I think it’s bad when Lieberman goes after one group of people
What “group of people” does Lieberman “go after”?

396 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:07:35pm

re: #392 KayInMaine

Quickly before you’re banned, evidence?

397 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:03pm

More of Kay’s irrational bias against Israel:

I’m telling you right now….I DESPISE, DETEST, AND HATE THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT. I don’t dislike Jews, but I do dislike the Jews that support the Israeli government when it mows down and kills innocent civilians trying to get much needed aid to the Palestinians!

The Palestinian Civilians: USE STONES AND BOTTLES TO WARD OFF ISRAELI AGGRESSION.

The Israelis: USE BOMBS, CHEMICALS, AND GUNS TO WARD OFF UNARMED CIVILIANS.

See the difference? I do. Go ahead and lambaste you all me want for having this opinion, because I can tell you right now, no matter what you say I WILL NOT CHANGE MY MIND. Until Israel starts showing one ounce of compassion I will change my mind. Until then, WE SHOULD STOP GIVING THEM BILLIONS A YEAR WHEN THEY HAVE NUCLEAR BOMBS IN THEIR ARSENAL TO DEFEND THEMSELVES WITH.

NOT ONE AMERICAN SOLDIER SHOULD BE USED OR TO DIE DEFENDING ISRAEL AFTER THIS ATROCIOUS ACT TODAY! I will not support our country defending these spoiled rotten non-compassionate teabagging assholes. Israel is on it’s own!

So Israel should use Nuclear weapons against Hamas? Really? Nuke Gaza!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

Regarding compassion, Kay has her head far up her ass:

Read this.

398 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:05pm

re: #392 KayInMaine

I believe either our government allowed 9/11 to happen or they wanted the attack! Another reason why I was so against attacking and invading Iraq.

A little advice from an old guy

When you’re in a hole,, STOP DIGGING!

399 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:10pm

re: #390 ArchangelMichael

What a lame excuse. We were doing flyovers of Iraq before 9/11 happened and George Bush ended them. Saddam was contained. We’ve spent billions of dollars in this country for what again? None of us really know to be honest!

400 palomino  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:24pm

re: #137 albusteve

your argument is empty…he was just another customer buying a handgun…again, why would they have refuse to sell him one?…they don’t know his intention or level of craszyness…just what are you talking about?

Maybe doing background checks that are a little more stringent. Won’t fix everything, but would make it harder for some crackpots to buy guns.

401 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:09:51pm

re: #399 KayInMaine

What a lame excuse. We were doing flyovers of Iraq before 9/11 happened and George Bush ended them. Saddam was contained. We’ve spent billions of dollars in this country for what again? None of us really know to be honest!

Well, you could read a book, watch some news or even read a newspaper. That’d probably be a healthy start.

402 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:10:00pm

re: #396 McSpiff

Quickly before you’re banned, evidence?

This made me LOL for realz. Thanks! :)

403 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:10:23pm

re: #402 Sergey Romanov

This made me LOL for realz. Thanks! :)

Me too

404 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:10:56pm

re: #395 sattv4u2

*sigh* REREAD WHAT I WROTE. Muslims! Collins & Lieberman together spent many years NOT INVESTIGATING THE BUSH ADMIN. Our nation has killed more Muslims than Christians on the morning of 9/11, and yet, with all the vitriol against Muslims since that day, Collins & Lieberman were going to do hearings against the Fort Hood shooter about Muslims “terrorizing our nation” (not their words…those are mine just made up here at this second)

405 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:25pm

re: #399 KayInMaine

What a lame excuse. We were doing flyovers of Iraq before 9/11 happened and George Bush ended them. Saddam was contained. We’ve spent billions of dollars in this country for what again? None of us really know to be honest!

Whether or not it was right or wrong wasn’t my point. I’m just saying those were the actual, factual, reasons. There wasn’t a black robed Jew Elder hidden in the White House giving Bush orders to go kill brown people, after giving him orders to blow up the WTC.

406 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:26pm

re: #401 McSpiff

Well, you could read a book, watch some news or even read a newspaper. That’d probably be a healthy start.

Is Mein Kampf online!?!?
/

407 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:50pm

I love people who are too stupid to throw together a coherent political thought. You get these delightful balls of mud, that just shimmer as the sunlight bounces off each of the paranoid fantasies in turn.

408 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:59pm

re: #397 eclectic infidel

don’t you love that? the good old “i don’t hate jews, but…” justification?

it’s like old racist southerners saying, “he’s very articular for a black man.” oh, but they meant it as a compliment, so it MUST be okay. oh, kay doesn’t hate jews, but she really DOES think someone should nuke israel, and jews all have a secret loyalty to israel that renders them incapable of american patriotism/rational discourse. but that’s OKAY - because kay doesn’t hate jews.

i forget, sometimes, that i live in a time and place where people like kay are the major exception. i would expect to hear someone speak like that in russia, or the middle east. not here.

thanks for reaffirming my commitment to america + israel in one fell swoop, beheimah.

409 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:10pm

re: #387 KayInMaine

I just reread my post I did that you’re all talking about and it was an angry post. Wow! I remember how I felt. In our country at that time (which still exists to this moment) there was anti-Muslim rhetoric going on. The Fort Hood shooter was a Muslim (I condemned what he did) and an American, but my response was in reaction to what Collins & Lieberman were about to do and I felt like their hearing was going to fuel more hatred towards one group of people. Do I believe the Holocaust happened? Yes. Do I think it’s bad when Lieberman goes after one group of people (along with Collins who also makes me angry!)? Yes. Do I think it’s hypocritical and another way for him to impress the right wing of this country which I think looks forward to these public attacks on the Muslims? Yes.

your entire gig is shot to hell, yet you trundle along, stupidly trying to understand the workings of you own feeble brain…it would be laughable except for the vitriolic, scrambled mess inside there…you need therapy…and your blog is a joke as well, but it does prove that shit attracts flies…you have been reduced to cache status…go figure, moron

410 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:42pm

re: #404 KayInMaine

And they are going after ALL Muslims,., or just the ones that are, you know, actually TERRORIZING THE NATIOIN

Want (need) a list of recent names !?!?!

411 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:50pm

re: #397 eclectic infidel

So you don’t care about the plight of the Palestinians? I do. I care about Israelis too who would like some peace and who are actually friends with Palestinians who wish their governments could get along to end the madness!

412 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:54pm

re: #397 eclectic infidel

but I do dislike the Jews that support the Israeli government when it mows down and kills innocent civilians trying to get much needed aid to the Palestinians!

So, if you’re Jewish, and you support Israel’s right to exist, thus de facto supporting the Israeli government, Kay hates YOU.

Kay makes the blanket assumption that the Israeli government goes out of its way to murder civilians. Really? Why would the Israeli government do that, especially when they truck in thousands of tons of aid into Gaza regularly? If the IDF wanted to kill civilians so badly in Operation Cast Lead, why did they drop leaflets warning Palestinians to stay clear of the area? Wait, something isn’t making sense here. WTF is Kay talking about?!?

413 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:55pm

re: #404 KayInMaine

*sigh* REREAD WHAT I WROTE. Muslims! Collins & Lieberman together spent many years NOT INVESTIGATING THE BUSH ADMIN. Our nation has killed more Muslims than Christians on the morning of 9/11, and yet, with all the vitriol against Muslims since that day, Collins & Lieberman were going to do hearings against the Fort Hood shooter about Muslims “terrorizing our nation” (not their words…those are mine just made up here at this second)

um. Do you have a link to wherever it is you got that information?

414 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:01pm

re: #404 KayInMaine

Its all about race and religion with you. Such a sad way to see the world. You’re really missing out on some wonderful people with all your hate.

415 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:37pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

um. Do you have a link to wherever it is you got that information?

It’s all in her blog!

416 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:45pm

re: #392 KayInMaine

I believe either our government allowed 9/11 to happen or they wanted the attack! Another reason why I was so against attacking and invading Iraq.

wheres the proof I ragged on your Jesus gig?…you have accused me, now prove it

417 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:15:12pm

re: #392 KayInMaine

I believe you are an idiot.

418 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:15:26pm

re: #408 Kefirah

“…he’s very ARTICULATE for a black man.”

goodness. i was too busy counting my zionist gold to check for proper spelling.

419 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:15:30pm

re: #413 reine.de.tout

Well, it’s literally true. We have killed more people in Iraq, the vast majority of them Muslim, than were killed on 9/11.

But it’s only literally true. It’s an out-of-context comparison.

420 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:15:57pm

re: #411 KayInMaine

So you don’t care about the plight of the Palestinians? I do. I care about Israelis too who would like some peace and who are actually friends with Palestinians who wish their governments could get along to end the madness!

I do care about their plight and I applaud the Israeli government for sending them tons upon tons of aid since their own elected government, aka HAMAS doesn’t seem to care.

One way to help build the bridge to peace would be for a)Hamas to recognize Israel’s right to exist, and b)cease rocket attacks against Israeli civilians.

Don’t fall into the trap of assuming I, or anyone else is anti-Palestinian. We know they are human, we know they suffer, and we know that peace is in everyone’s best interest.

421 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:16:04pm

re: #304 KayInMaine

Who benefited from invading Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein in the area?

Iran, apparently.

422 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:16:36pm

re: #408 Kefirah

re: #413 reine.de.tout

Iraqis are Muslims, aren’t they? 3,000 Americans were killed on the morning of 9/11 and George Bush invaded a country where he bragged one day that 30,000 Iraqis were killed in the first few hours of the bombs being dropped. Isn’t that more than 3,000? Overkill if you ask me! And what have we got out of it?Nothing.

423 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:17:13pm

re: #421 Fozzie Bear

Yes, they’re now running Iraq! Another travesty!

424 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:17:42pm

More grotesque anti-Israel bias from Kay…and she makes atheists look bad too:

Read it here.

425 palomino  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:18:11pm

re: #411 KayInMaine

Why are you reducing the entire Iraq War to Joe Lieberman and the influence of Israel? Do you really think that, absent those two factors, the war wouldn’t have happened anyway? If so, you’re way behind on your homework assignments.

426 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:18:12pm

re: #420 eclectic infidel

Palestinians and Israelis deserve to live in peace.

427 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:18:13pm

re: #424 eclectic infidel

More grotesque anti-Israel bias from Kay…and she makes atheists PEOPLE look bad too:

Read it here.

ftfy

428 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:18:59pm

re: #425 palomino

Because that’s the post that was posted over here. Had it been another one on another subject, we would be talking about that!

429 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:19:07pm

re: #426 KayInMaine

Palestinians and Israelis deserve to live in peace.

But how can they, with such a vile, Joe leiberman supported gov’t in Israel?

430 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:19:17pm

re: #426 KayInMaine

Palestinians and Israelis deserve to live in peace.

Perhaps they shouldn’t have elected Hamas, you know, a terrorist organization, to represent their government.
Just a thought.

431 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:15pm

re: #400 palomino

Maybe doing background checks that are a little more stringent. Won’t fix everything, but would make it harder for some crackpots to buy guns.

I’m a gunner and I agree…that’s up to the feds…and I also believe that any crime involving a firearm should be a federal offense with harsh minimum penalties…guns are no joke and we need to really tighten up the laws we already have on the books…the illegal gun situation is out of control and I’m open to all suggestions and potential remedies right up to Draconian measures

432 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:18pm

re: #423 KayInMaine

Yes, they’re now running Iraq! Another travesty!

Yes, they basically are. And that had nothing to do with Israel. Invading Iraq was an American blunder. We own it, because we did it.

It think it was a fucking travesty, and it is legitimate to criticize Lieberman for his contribution to the ill-advised rush to war. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL.

433 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:25pm

re: #416 albusteve

Wasn’t it you and others who freaked out over coffee this morning about me not capitalizing the word JESUS?

434 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:21:16pm

re: #432 Fozzie Bear

Yes, they basically are. And that had nothing to do with Israel. Invading Iraq was an American blunder. We own it, because we did it.

It think it was a fucking travesty, and it is legitimate to criticize Lieberman for his contribution to the ill-advised rush to war. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL.

But ‘we did it” because Hoe leiberman wanted us to at the behest of the pasty white Israeli gov’t!!

435 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:21:32pm

re: #429 sattv4u2

Lots of liberals held the same view as I did when Joe Lieberman was voting the way he was during the Bush Years. My posts were a lot more angrier than theirs. :D

436 KayInMaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:21:40pm

BRB

437 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:02pm

re: #433 KayInMaine

Wasn’t it you and others who freaked out over coffee this morning about me not capitalizing the word JESUS?

Keep trying to play the victim

Nobody was “freaking out”
EVERYONE was saying at worst it was disrespectful

438 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:17pm

re: #433 KayInMaine

Wasn’t it you and others who freaked out over coffee this morning about me not capitalizing the word JESUS?

No.
It was Sergey.
An Atheist, IIRC.

439 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:19pm

re: #436 KayInMaine

BRB

I doubt it.

440 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:21pm

re: #411 KayInMaine

So you don’t care about the plight of the Palestinians? I do. I care about Israelis too who would like some peace and who are actually friends with Palestinians who wish their governments could get along to end the madness!

bullshit…you are lying through your teeth…it doesn’t jibe with you blog at all

441 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #426 KayInMaine

Palestinians and Israelis deserve to live in peace.

Yes they do. So why does Hamas refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist? Why does Hamas target Israeli civilians? Why do you not criticize Hamas? Why do you ignore that during the incident with the flotilla, unarmed IDF soldiers were brutally attacked by so-called peace activists?

442 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:57pm

re: #435 KayInMaine

Lots of liberals held the same view as I did when Joe Lieberman was voting the way he was during the Bush Years. My posts were a lot more angrier than theirs. :D

I see ,, so becuase “lots of liberals hel;d the same view as” you did, that authorized your racist rants!
Got it!

443 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:23:08pm

re: #438 reine.de.tout

No.
It was Sergey.
An Atheist, IIRC.

Yeah, how weird, capitalizing the first letter of someone’s name!
Unheard of!
Lol@Kay.

444 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:23:09pm

re: #433 KayInMaine

Wasn’t it you and others who freaked out over coffee this morning about me not capitalizing the word JESUS?

Heh. It’s the most innocent thing, as it turned out.

445 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:23:35pm

re: #443 Varek Raith

Yeah, how weird, capitalizing the first letter of someone’s name!
Unheard of!
Lol@Kay.

I’m surprised she doesn’t type her nic as “kayinmaine”.

446 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:23:59pm

re: #426 KayInMaine

Palestinians and Israelis deserve to live in peace.

they do, on the other hand, you don’t

447 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:05pm

re: #426 KayInMaine

Palestinians and Israelis deserve to live in peace.

But, Helen Thomas is right-on for suggesting that Israelis should not live in their own country?

448 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:08pm

re: #444 Sergey Romanov

Heh. It’s the most innocent thing, as it turned out.

Hence #388!!

449 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:23pm

Well, well, what have we here? Hmm?

450 Kefirah  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:24pm

re: #422 KayInMaine

civilian casualties are always a tragedy. always. no exceptions. infidel is correct - don’t assume that we’re callous warmongering barbarians.

unfortunately, hamas does less for their own people than israel does. certainly, hamas will provide candy and funding for the families of martyrs, but they’ll also shut down summer camps if those camps don’t adhere to the hamas paradigm. and nevermind the fact that hamas will bulldoze its own citizens’ homes if they believe they are collaborators [and that’s the SWEETEST outcome for a suspected collaborator, by the way].

also - check up on your law. international maritime law vindicates israel’s actions: san remo manual on international law.

YOU care about the israelis who agree with your biased perspective. you’ve openly stated that you don’t give a damn about jews [or israelis, i would surmise] who disagree with you.

how enlightened and warm of you. clearly, we had you all wrong.

now excuse me - the sarcasm is eating holes in my monitor.

451 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:29pm

re: #445 reine.de.tout

I’m surprised she doesn’t type her nic as “kayinmaine”.

kayinMaine. We wouldn’t want to diss the great state. ;-)

452 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:39pm

re: #429 sattv4u2

But how can they, with such a vile, Joe leiberman supported gov’t in Israel?

Joe Lieberman, singlehandedly, is preventing peace from coming to the Middle East.

//

453 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:02pm

re: #451 Sergey Romanov

kayinMaine. We wouldn’t want to diss the great state. ;-)

I give In more respect also!

454 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:19pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

Joe Lieberman, singlehandedly, is preventing peace from coming to the Middle East.

//

that BASTARD!

455 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:25pm

re: #433 KayInMaine

Wasn’t it you and others who freaked out over coffee this morning about me not capitalizing the word JESUS?

prove it asshole

456 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:38pm

re: #447 SanFranciscoZionist

But, Helen Thomas is right-on for suggesting that Israelis should not live in their own country?

*laughs*

Kay is right up there with the Israel bashers here in the Bay Area. Full on, chock-full of propaganda. Bias galore.

457 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:47pm

O’Boy, Kay is really a wacked out piece of work.

//Wonder why ol Dick hasn’t had her taken out as well, since she knows so much about is illegal activities.

So, who did Dick Cheney have killed at his command? Here’s a few that I’ve come up with…

The Anthrax Attacks: it was Dick Cheney who gave the order to our military to send out weapons grade anthrax to the liberals in the country after 9/11/01 to make it look like we were attacked because of how liberals are

Bruce Ivins: he’s the microbiologist who worked at Fort Detrick and was accused by the Bush Regime as being the guy who sent out the anthrax, but before he could testify (most likely was going to blow the lid off the investigation by telling the truth…that the order came from Dick Cheney!), he “committed suicide”. No one with a rational mind believes this man killed himself, especially since the neighbors to him said the FBI was in this man’s house for a year or so. Some even said the FBI (or those government looking people I should add) most likely witnessed his “suicide”. Uh ha.

Benazir Bhutto: when she was running for the presidency of Pakistan, she went on television and was recorded listing out the guys who killed Osama bin Laden. A few weeks later, she’s gunned down by a guy who I think looked awfully CIA-ish if you ask me. The one thing Dick Cheney would not want out is the truth about Osama bin Laden, because he was the Boogeyman that kept his ‘waronterra’ alive and if Americans knew that bin Laden had been dead for years, well, that would be an embarassment. She had to go for speaking the truth.

Michael Connell: he was instrumental in helping the Bush Regime steal the 2004 presidential election and right before he was about to testify, his plane crashed killing him. No way would Cheney want Americans to know that George Bush’s 2nd term was bogus and a calculated stolen election!

Paul Wellstone: he was the highly outspoken liberal critic of the Iraq war and before he was able to cast his vote against the illegal invasion of this sovereign country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with oil, his plane crashed killing himself, his wife, and his daughter. Cheney doesn’t like anyone speaking truth to power!

458 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:58pm

re: #455 albusteve

It wasn’t you, Steve. It was Sergey, and me. Two atheists.

459 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:26:03pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #454 sattv4u2

that BASTARD!

that PASTY WHITE Israeli Citizen Bastard !!!

460 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:26:20pm

re: #452 SanFranciscoZionist

Joe Lieberman, singlehandedly, is preventing peace from coming to the Middle East.

//

Droopy Dog is mighty powerful. No, seriously, look up old droopy dog cartoons and tell me it doesn’t remind you of Lieberman.

461 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:26:23pm

re: #434 sattv4u2

But ‘we did it” because Hoe leiberman wanted us to at the behest of the pasty white Israeli gov’t!!

Eli Aflalo. Pasty White MK, born in Casablanca

462 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:26:32pm

re: #456 eclectic infidel

*laughs*

Kay is right up there with the Israel bashers here in the Bay Area. Full on, chock-full of propaganda. Bias galore.

Hey now. Note that two of the people whacking her are SFZ and myself— I’m a Bay Area alum, at any rate.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:28:01pm

re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist

Eli Aflalo. Pasty White MK, born in Casablanca

Afou Agbaria. Pasty White MK with a European name.

/

464 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:28:30pm

re: #462 Obdicut

Hey now. Note that two of the people whacking her are SFZ and myself— I’m a Bay Area alum, at any rate.

Kay transcends ethnic, religious, political and geographical “whacking”

465 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:28:58pm

re: #463 SanFranciscoZionist

Afou Agbaria. Pasty White MK with a European name.

/

Mohammed Barakeh. Pasty White MK named Mohammed.

466 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:29:26pm

From Kay’s blog:

Here’s what Thomas said to a blogger in an interview about the Jews…

Thomas: They should go home!

Nessenoff: Where’s their home?

Thomas: Poland. Germany.

Nessenoff: So you’re saying the Jews should go back to Poland and Germany?

Thomas: And America and everywhere else.

…
I’m glad Helen Thomas apologized for her comment, because I can see how the feeble minded could be offended by it, but what about the freedom of speech? Is it still alive? Is it possible only the right wingers of America can say whatever they want and not lose their job over it? Seems so. Sad. I wonder how satan feels about this knowing his brownshirts on the ground continue to squash all ‘g-d given liberties’? He’s most likely very happy about it, that is….if you believe in such nonsense!

Got that, if you were offenced by Thomas’ blatant anti-semitism, you’re feeble minded.

FUCK YOU KAY.

467 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:29:53pm

re: #458 Obdicut

It wasn’t you, Steve. It was Sergey, and me. Two atheists.

I know that…it’s no small thing to accuse me of something I had no part of, coming from her….my tolerance crashed when I read her blog…and I’m an atheist as well….it was only humorous until it led to other things

468 Jack Burton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:02pm

It’s been awhile since we’ve had a real life unhinged Barking Moonbat here. Is it a full moon today or some weird planetary alignment?

469 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:09pm

I want everybody who claims equivalence between the left and the right in regards to crazy inflammatory rhetoric to observe a bunch of bleeding heart liberals piling on to KayinMaine, because what she said is fucking stupid and inflammatory. And she is clearly a moonbat.

Then find me an equivalent on the right. Seriously.

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:17pm

re: #465 SanFranciscoZionist

Mohammed Barakeh. Pasty White MK named Mohammed.

Israel Hasson. Pasty White MK, born in Syria.

471 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:31:38pm

I apologize for posting it, because it contains a call to violence. But that’s what Kay wrote. I will understand if this is deleted.

Joe Lieberman would have been fine with the Jews freed after WWII not being fed until Europe was rebuilt

Poor Joe Lieberman. He’s a very confused Jew….or is he? Recently he said out loud that he would not want health care reform until after the recession was over and it got me thinking about where this man’s mind is. Then it occurred to me! Ole Joe would have told the freed Jews during WWII, “Hey! You people will get no food, no health care, no clothing….nuszing!…until the war is completely over and until Europe is rebuilt to her prior glory, okay!!! Now scram!!! No food for you!!!! Get away from me! *beating Jew who wants some food* Stop your begging please!!!”.

[…]

I hate this man with every ounce of my being. If there truly was such a thing as a Death Panel were a group of people sit behind a really tall table and who decide on who lives and who dies, I would hope they would look down at this small tiny miserable man and say, “Stick a fork in him! He’s done!”. Please? Can we have a Joe Lieberman Death Panel and one for the ConservaNazis too? Pretty please? They need to all go. They shouldn’t be allowed to live if all they stand for is killing, torturing, prison camps around the world, and are anti-health-care-reform-for-Americans. The End.

Posted August 24, 2009 by KayInMaine. Comments and trackbacks are closed.

472 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:00pm

re: #469 Fozzie Bear

I want everybody who claims equivalence between the left and the right in regards to crazy inflammatory rhetoric to observe a bunch of bleeding heart liberals piling on to KayinMaine, because what she said is fucking stupid and inflammatory. And she is clearly a moonbat.

Then find me an equivalent on the right. Seriously.

Damn Trotskyites.

473 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:02pm

re: #469 Fozzie Bear

I want everybody who claims equivalence between the left and the right in regards to crazy inflammatory rhetoric to observe a bunch of bleeding heart liberals piling on to KayinMaine, because what she said is fucking stupid and inflammatory. And she is clearly a moonbat.

Then find me an equivalent on the right. Seriously.

Palin is not on the blog.
But there are plenty of conservatives here who are disgusted by her imagery and rhetoric

474 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:13pm

re: #436 KayInMaine

You’ve asked several times to be banned, and after reading some of your comments I think you’ll be much happier not posting any more at LGF, and so will everyone else.

475 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:27pm

I’ve never personally encountered a full-on moonbat before, so this is an educational experience for me.

476 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:39pm

re: #391 goddamnedfrank

I’m thinking back and I think my instructor showed me one set of papers and discussed another. It was an NRA Instructor Certification class. About 1990 or 1992. And we had a cop in to lecture on some of this too. Thanks for pointing out my error. :)

477 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:07pm

re: #471 Sergey Romanov

Holy Shit.

This is full-blown stage 4 moonbat disease, in it’s final stages. I’ve only read about this in books. Never have I seen a real live patient with this disease.

478 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:19pm

re: #469 Fozzie Bear

many here on “the right” , conservative leaning, republican Lizards excoriate Beck, Palin, Boehner (for the crying) et al for “inflammatory rhetoric” on a daily basis

479 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:25pm

re: #474 Charles

You’ve asked several times to be banned, and after reading some of your comments I think you’ll be much happier not posting any more at LGF, and so will everyone else.

DAMN! I missed my chance.

480 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:46pm

re: #475 CuriousLurker

This was a highly advanced stage of it.

A good reminder that insanity resides everywhere in the political spectrum. It isn’t inherent to any particular mindset.

481 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:34:01pm

re: #473 reine.de.tout

gmta (478)

482 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:34:19pm
KayInMaine
This user is blocked.

Registered since: Oct 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm
No. of comments posted: 279
No. of Pages posted: 0

Oh, thank goodness.

483 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:34:45pm

re: #469 Fozzie Bear

Tradewind gets yelled at by the reasonable people on the right on this blog all the time for his/her dumbass crap.

484 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:34:56pm

re: #479 CuriousLurker

DAMN! I missed my chance.

It’s ok. There are plenty of comments to read from. :)

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:41pm

Shlomo (Neguse) Molla. Pasty White MK who was born in Ethiopia.

486 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:43pm

re: #483 Obdicut

Tradewind gets yelled at by the reasonable people on the right on this blog all the time for his/her dumbass crap.

LGF has become an exception tho.

487 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:51pm

re: #479 CuriousLurker

DAMN! I missed my chance.

Seriously, you missed the fun.

488 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:54pm

PREDICTION

within the hour Kay will have up on her blog how there was a EEBBILL Zionist conspiracy that got her banned from LGF!

489 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:59pm

re: #483 Obdicut

Tradewind gets yelled at by the reasonable people on the right on this blog all the time for his/her dumbass crap.

Good point.
:)
trade just gets yelled at in general.

490 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:36:00pm

re: #483 Obdicut

Tradewind gets yelled at by the reasonable people on the right on this blog all the time for his/her dumbass crap.

To be fair to tradewind, and everyone else who is still a memeber of LGF, I’ve never seen anyone make a call for mass executions here before. Except Mandy, but she was fucking nuts. Holy shit.

491 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:36:11pm

re: #480 Obdicut

This was a highly advanced stage of it.

A good reminder that insanity resides everywhere in the political spectrum. It isn’t inherent to any particular mindset.

easily one of the worst I’ve seen here…liberals/conservatives are one thing, but she was way over the top, beyond any political nature….Jew haters piss me off bigtime

492 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:37:36pm

There should be provision for farewell speeches.

493 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:17pm

re: #492 Decatur Deb

There should be provision for farewell speeches.

Oh, you forgot! They’re called farewell “flounces”.

494 palomino  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:25pm

re: #435 KayInMaine

Lots of liberals held the same view as I did when Joe Lieberman was voting the way he was during the Bush Years. My posts were a lot more angrier than theirs. :D

Speaking as a liberal who doesn’t particularly like Joe Lieberman, NO, we didn’t hold your views then and we don’t know. Liberals were angry at Lieberman, but most of us didn’t cross the line into conspiracy theories about Israel or barely coded anti-semitism. Don’t try to hide your views behind the rest of us.

495 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:29pm

re: #480 Obdicut

This was a highly advanced stage of it.

A good reminder that insanity resides everywhere in the political spectrum. It isn’t inherent to any particular mindset.

re: #484 eclectic infidel

It’s ok. There are plenty of comments to read from. :)

I can’t believe I missed her return as I was lurking this morning (she didn’t stay long then) and was waiting to see if she’d be back after reading some of the nastiness on her blog.

I hope her comments don’t get deleted before I get a chance to read them all.

496 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:35pm

re: #492 Decatur Deb

There should be provision for farewell speeches.

No, I think I heard quite enough

497 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:54pm

Kay is a liberal of Pam Geller’s dreams.

498 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:40:05pm

I don’t know a single liberal, before today, who actually typed out a call for mass executions of conservatives. That has got to be the most fucked up thing I have seen from the left in the US. (I’ve seen crazier shit from the European left, but that’s a whole different animal.)

499 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:40:08pm

re: #462 Obdicut

Hey now. Note that two of the people whacking her are SFZ and myself— I’m a Bay Area alum, at any rate.

I reside in Oakland, CA, hence my comment.

500 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:40:25pm

re: #495 CuriousLurker

re: #484 eclectic infidel


I can’t believe I missed her return as I was lurking this morning (she didn’t stay long then) and was waiting to see if she’d be back after reading some of the nastiness on her blog.
I hope her comments don’t get deleted before I get a chance to read them all.

When she came back during this thread, she didn’t realize her bloig rants were exposed and thought we were pissed at her use of the loewr case “j” in Jesus from earlier

501 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:41:25pm

re: #499 eclectic infidel

I reside in Oakland, CA, hence my comment.

I’m in Albuquerque and even I won’t put up with that shit

502 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:45:17pm

re: #491 albusteve

This was a highly advanced stage of it.

A good reminder that insanity resides everywhere in the political spectrum. It isn’t inherent to any particular mindset.

easily one of the worst I’ve seen here…liberals/conservatives are one thing, but she was way over the top, beyond any political nature…Jew haters piss me off bigtime

Haters piss me off period.

503 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:46:24pm

re: #475 CuriousLurker

I’ve never personally encountered a full-on moonbat before, so this is an educational experience for me.

Moonbat trolls are fun to play with and make for some fine eating. Wingnut trolls on the other hand are tedious and leave a bitter taste in your mouth regardless of how much seasoning you use.

504 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:46:57pm

I think we should gather up all the people who think we should gather up all the people who think a certain way, and….

Oh wait, never mind. Forget I said anything.

505 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:49:38pm

re: #500 sattv4u2

When she came back during this thread, she didn’t realize her bloig rants were exposed and thought we were pissed at her use of the loewr case “j” in Jesus from earlier

Heh. She seemed wound a bit to tightly to pay attention to much of anything.

The spewing on her blog is barely coherent. Reminded me of the Harpy. Anyway, I’ve PDF’ed the entire thread for later, more leisurely forensic study of such a rare specimen.

506 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:03pm

re: #505 CuriousLurker

Heh. She seemed wound a bit to tightly to pay attention to much of anything.

The spewing on her blog is barely coherent. Reminded me of the Harpy. Anyway, I’ve PDF’ed the entire thread for later, more leisurely forensic study of such a rare specimen.

Be sure to wear a bio-hazard suit!

507 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:28pm

Tuning out for now lizards. Waiting on UPS to deliver textbooks while I file, file, file for tax prep and such. It’s Frank Sinatra on Pandora, and French Roast for drink.

Ciao for now. Peace.

508 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:06:31pm

re: #493 reine.de.tout

Oh, you forgot! They’re called farewell “flounces”.

That only works if you “jump”.

509 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:23:44pm

re: #304 KayInMaine

Stinky may have given you the boot already, but I will say, for posterity, that you’re a hateful, anti-Semitic piece of whale shit.

510 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:35:03pm

re: #474 Charles

You’ve asked several times to be banned, and after reading some of your comments I think you’ll be much happier not posting any more at LGF, and so will everyone else.

Ta-ta, Kay!

/what a piece of shit moonbat…


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