Wikipedia ‘Blood Libel’ Page Edited Yesterday

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Here’s an interesting sidenote to Sarah Palin’s invocation of “blood libel” to describe the criticism of her extreme and violent rhetoric, demonstrating how quickly these memes bubble up from the crazy base directly into right wing media and the speeches of right wing politicians.

Yesterday, there was a very curious edit to the Wikipedia page for “blood libel.” Here’s a link to the January 11 revision page for Blood libel, showing what was added. The timestamp shows that the edit took place at 13:58, 11 January 2011, and has since been reverted:

Blood libel (also blood accusation) refers to a false accusation or claim that religious minorities, almost always Jews, murder children to use their blood in certain aspects of their religious rituals and holidays. Historically, these claims have–alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration–been a major theme in European persecution of Jews. Contemporary libertarian observers have begun to use the term to refer to attempts by the American Left to accuse American conservatives of contributory responsibility for various incidents of violence.

The footnote for this edit links to Ann Althouse’s site; her post doesn’t contain “blood libel,” but there are two comments that do. And they’re both completely crazed, of course.

They’re not turning it into a passion of the Palin. They are rebutting blood libels. And note, they are not saying that in fact it was liberal ideology that caused this shooting. What they are saying is that libs are full of shit. Big difference.

[…]

Some phony folksy and the rest of the Lefties here, having had their little blood libel explode in their faces with the exposure who really wallows in the imagery of violence, now feel obliged to backtrack from The Zero’s Alinskyite rhetoric of 2 years ago. Uncle Saul has been their Bible for 40 years. It must be devastating to them to know their game is finally over.

I’m not suggesting a conspiracy; the timing is amazing, but it’s most likely a coincidence that the Wikipedia edit appeared the day before Sarah Palin used the same term.

And yet, in a very real way this isn’t a coincidence at all. The “blood libel” talking point has been emerging from the right ever since the Arizona mass murders. Palin simply capitalized on it, because she knew it was a guaranteed hit with her base.

(h/t Lidane.)

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498 comments
1 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:15:27pm
2 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:16:42pm

Maybe Palin needs to take out Blood Liability insurance...

3 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:21:17pm
Pat Buchanan said Wednesday that Sarah Palin has been a victim of the media in the wake of the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), and she was right to use the phrase "blood libel" in defending herself from charges that her language had anything to do with the mass shooting.

"Frankly I thought it was an excellent statement with regard to the phrase 'blood libel'," Buchanan said. "That of course refers to the libel that was used in the Middle Ages, charges against Jews that were utterly unsupportable slanders and I think she's using it in that context."

MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell (as you'll see in the video below) didn't seem quite sure where to go after that.

Buchanan offered a full-throated defense of Palin, who he said "is not a dispenser of hate, she's a victim of hate."

From user makeitstop

4 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:21:21pm

Here's that editors contributions:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

We can check if there is a pattern.

5 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:22:49pm

I would use the difflink in the OP, personally:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Much easier to point out and see what was added.

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:12pm

Because the shooting was all about them, nothing to do with the shooter or his victims.

This has turned into to a three-ring circus.

7 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:23:43pm

And now the spin is that other people have used it in other contexts, so it's fine. For example, someone said that the allegation that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia is a 'blood libel' shows that the phrase has wide meaning.

I don't think that's a good use of the phrase. I think it diminishes the specific historical value.

I do, however, note a very important difference: In that case, a marginal group is being accused of a specific, foul act, related to an actual practice. Homosexuals really do have gay sex. They really aren't all pedophiles. Jews really do ritually slaughter animals. They really don't ritually slaughter Christians.

In both cases, there's a group being demonized and made to be 'the other' due to an allegation of dark, secret practices. It's syllogistically the same.

Palin's use of it is just a whine that people are saying that her violent, dangerous rhetoric might lead to actual violence. It's not saying that there's some darker secret to an actual practice, it's not implying she's personally responsible for killing anyone. It's not implying that Tea Party people or social conservatives or whatever group she think she's a part of engage in murder.

8 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:24:53pm

re: #1 recusancy

Quite prescient on his part.

re: #4 Sergey Romanov

Here's that editors contributions:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

We can check if there is a pattern.

A New Mexican perhaps? I'm ashamed if so.

9 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:25:13pm

re: #1 recusancy

John Cole saw this coming on the 10th.

Was he responding to Glenn Reynolds op-ed? If the op-ed was published on the 10th, the online version might have been available late on the 9th.

10 recusancy  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:26:40pm

re: #9 KingKenrod

Was he responding to Glenn Reynolds op-ed? If the op-ed was published on the 10th, the online version might have been available late on the 9th.

Yes.

11 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:28:31pm

As far as Palin goes, I honestly believe the only reason she used the term is because the word "blood" was in it......ya know, just another middle finger to her "critics," to show that she personally won't retreat, she'll reload.

12 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:29:46pm

re: #11 mr.fusion

As far as Palin goes, I honestly believe the only reason she used the term is because the word "blood" was in it...ya know, just another middle finger to her "critics," to show that she personally won't retreat, she'll reload.

Yeah, she is not going to go away willingly. That may be the trait appeals to her base.

Perhaps, if like a bully, she is ignored . . .

13 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:18pm

re: #11 mr.fusion

As far as Palin goes, I honestly believe the only reason she used the term is because the word "blood" was in it...ya know, just another middle finger to her "critics," to show that she personally won't retreat, she'll reload.

She probably thought it sounded good, and people told her that others on the right were using it, so she went along with it.

That's because Sarah is a cipher and a spokesmodel who doesn't have a mind of her own. It's why they chose her to be McCain's VP.

14 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:30:32pm

I wish there were a way to up-ding the Frank Zappa quotes.

15 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:04pm

Curiouser and curiouser. or Very interesting. or highly suspicious.

16 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:29pm

Blood libel
Charge of the Light Brigade

Historical context is not the Tea Baggers strong point.

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:31:51pm

re: #15 PhillyPretzel

Curiouser and curiouser. or Very interesting. or highly suspicious.

Nah, coincidence. Had more to do with Glenn Reynolds WSJ-op-ed than with Palin, I believe.

See also his latest response: [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:04pm

re: #14 ggt

I wish there were a way to up-ding the Frank Zappa quotes.

Copy, paste and post them, I will personally up-ding them for you. A win-win...

19 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:09pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

History is not the Tea Baggers strong point.

FTFY

20 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:20pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blood libel
Charge of the Light Brigade

Historical context is not the Tea Baggers strong point.

Considering how well the charge of the Light Brigade went ...

21 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:32:52pm

I'm getting a headache!
I don't get headaches.....Unless I'm witnessing some sort of
CLUSTERFUCK in progress!
Advil and a beer........or three.

22 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:33:07pm

re: #20 HAL2010

Considering how well the charge of the Light Brigade went ...

It was also a mistake. They charged at the wrong target, doing no good for their own side.

23 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:33:16pm

re: #18 ralphieboy

Copy, paste and post them, I will personally up-ding them for you. A win-win...

ugh, the quote I liked as alreadly disappeared. Will remember it for next time tho.

Good idea!

24 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:33:57pm

re: #22 Obdicut

It was also a mistake. They charged at the wrong target, doing no good for their own side.

But the died bravely and while looking good, so thats all that counts.
/

25 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:23pm

re: #22 Obdicut

It was also a mistake. They charged at the wrong target, doing no good for their own side.

Personally, I like it how the British General referred the Russian enemy constantly as "the French". Well played sir, well played.

26 qubit2020  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:26pm

Until this afternoon, I didn't know what a "Blood Libel" was...I'm always amazed at Charles' ability to ferret out internet/news media deflection etc.

27 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:28pm

re: #15 PhillyPretzel

...Also see: "Funny",as in "peculiar" not "Ha Ha"?

28 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:34:31pm

re: #23 ggt

Cut and Paste is a very good friend. :)

29 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:05pm

re: #24 Surabaya Stew

But the died bravely and while looking good, so thats all that counts.
/

Some Frenchy claimed that "it's beautiful, but it is not war" when he saw it.

30 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:09pm

Reynolds linked to the Althouse posting...maybe that's where the incorrect citation came from. The wikipedia "editor" may have pasted the link from the pajamasmedia page.

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

31 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:10pm

re: #27 reloadingisnotahobby
You are correct about that.

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:24pm

Holocaust denier and antisemite loves Palin's Bllod Libel statement....
Pat Buchanan: Sarah Palin's Use Of Blood Libel Was 'Excellent' (VIDEO)

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:45pm

re: #29 HAL2010

Some Frenchy claimed that "it's beautiful, but it is not war" when he saw it.


The French know a futile cavalry charge when they see one...

34 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:35:55pm

Sarah Palin Facebook scrubbing in realtime:

35 qubit2020  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:17pm

Maybe I'm dense, but, I don't see why Palin would use such a term. It just seems so counter productive.

36 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:52pm

re: #12 ggt

Yeah, she is not going to go away willingly. That may be the trait appeals to her base.

Oh, it absolutely is. I full expect her and her followers to double down on this term and make it a part of "conservatives as the victim" lexicon

37 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:36:58pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Holocaust denier and antisemite loves Palin's Bllod Libel statement...
Pat Buchanan: Sarah Palin's Use Of Blood Libel Was 'Excellent' (VIDEO)

Yeah....He would know?

38 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:12pm

re: #35 qubit2020

Maybe I'm dense, but, I don't see why Palin would use such a term. It just seems so counter productive.

Because she's playing the victim. Again.

39 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:16pm

As far as Sarah Palin, she has become a cartoon, and I suspect the GOP leadership is happy with that. She has marginalized herself. One thing that the American electorate NEVER does is elect someone "silly" to be its President. Other words are used such as "Presidential", "Gravitas"..... as surrogates. Any case of a candidate looking "silly" (Kerry windsurfing, Dukakis in a tank with a helmet, Bush in a pilots jumpsuit) are used extensively by political opponents. Barack Obama, while a candidate, avoided at all costs anything that didn't portray him as a serious man.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:44pm

re: #13 Lidane

She probably thought it sounded good, and people told her that others on the right were using it, so she went along with it.

That's because Sarah is a cipher and a spokesmodel who doesn't have a mind of her own. It's why they chose her to be McCain's VP.

Yeah. I don't think Team Palin quite got the pitch of the whistle that time. When even Jonah Goldberg is saying "Uh....", you know you got it wrong.

41 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:37:52pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

The French know a futile cavalry charge when they see one...

How many French soldiers does it take to defend Paris?


No one knows, they have never tried.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:02pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Blood libel
Charge of the Light Brigade

Historical context is not the Tea Baggers strong point.

Yeah, but the Light Brigade comment was hilarious.

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:38:53pm

re: #39 Big Steve

As far as Sarah Palin, she has become a cartoon, and I suspect the GOP leadership is happy with that. She has marginalized herself. One thing that the American electorate NEVER does is elect someone "silly" to be its President. Other words are used such as "Presidential", "Gravitas"... as surrogates. Any case of a candidate looking "silly" (Kerry windsurfing, Dukakis in a tank with a helmet, Bush in a pilots jumpsuit) are used extensively by political opponents. Barack Obama, while a candidate, avoided at all costs anything that didn't portray him as a serious man.

Kerry duck hunting . . . .

44 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:39:10pm

Retweet count is mounting fast on this one ...

45 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:01pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but the Light Brigade comment was hilarious.

True enough.

46 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:07pm

Well at 4:00pm (Mst) I can listen to Beck and find out what direction his top is spinning............or NOT!

47 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:28pm

re: #46 reloadingisnotahobby
ROFL

48 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:39pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Congrats, Alan Derschowitz, you're now saying the same thing as Pat Buchanan.

Seriously disappointed in Derschowitz.

49 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:50pm

re: #43 ggt

Kerry duck hunting . . .


Or Kerry hiking the football........common Charles....link.....link....link

50 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:40:59pm

re: #41 HAL2010

How many French soldiers does it take to defend Paris?


No one knows, they have never tried.

Why are there trees planted along the Champs Elysees?

-So the Germans can march in the shade!

51 MPH  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:41:34pm

I don't think this was a coincidence....

52 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:42:19pm

re: #50 ralphieboy

Why are there trees planted along the Champs Elysees?

-So the Germans can march in the shade!

How many gears do French tanks have?

Six. Five in reverse and one going forward. In case they are attacked from behind.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:42:30pm

re: #48 Obdicut

Congrats, Alan Derschowitz, you're now saying the same thing as Pat Buchanan.

Seriously disappointed in Derschowitz.

Dershowitz is up and down in my book all the time. He can be hard-headed and sensible one minute, and then he's writing drivelly articles defending the idea of judicial torture the next.

Odd man.

Writes a good novel.

54 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:43:03pm

re: #44 Charles

Retweet count is mounting fast on this one ...


This was actually some nice journalism.....good tip by Lidane and great research by Charles and actually a scoop.

55 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:43:04pm

I read (I think an ABC/Comcast blurb) that Congresswoman Giffords is breathing on her own now!

56 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:43:59pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Dershowitz is up and down in my book all the time. He can be hard-headed and sensible one minute, and then he's writing drivelly articles defending the idea of judicial torture the next.

Odd man.

Writes a good novel.

Lost all respect for him after he said he was ok with torture.

57 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:10pm

re: #55 ggt
I am very happy to hear that.

58 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:10pm

I am not sure the argument in here is convincing, but it is an interesting one nonetheless: The Insanity Defense – If the Arizona gunman is too insane to be influenced by anyone, he's too insane to be executed. (Slate)

59 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:44:22pm

Retweet..Retweet...Save youwselwves....

60 qubit2020  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:00pm

It'a also interesting as a fundamentalist Christian, Palin would use such a term. The Christian right, by and large, is a big supporter of Israel.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:00pm

re: #52 HAL2010

How many gears do French tanks have?

Six. Five in reverse and one going forward. In case they are attacked from behind.


But really, in their heyday, the French launched some heroically futile cavalry charges: Agincourt, Eylau, Waterloo, Sedan...all glorious disasters.

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:28pm

anyone else see the one black GOP official in Arizona has stepped down amid threats and crazy? [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

63 valuepack  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:37pm

Words have different meanings in politics. They just kinda mean, you know, whatever.

What's important here is that in politics there are only two choices. Liberal or conservative - and liberal thinking has been the root cause of almost every single evil act in human history. Thats all you need to know.

/

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:45:40pm

re: #58 000G

I am not sure the argument in here is convincing, but it is an interesting one nonetheless: The Insanity Defense – If the Arizona gunman is too insane to be influenced by anyone, he's too insane to be executed. (Slate)


As long as they put him away, I don't care if it is a prison or a mentl institution.

65 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:46:12pm

re: #55 ggt

I read (I think an ABC/Comcast blurb) that Congresswoman Giffords is breathing on her own now!

...and using or moving both her arms!!
Most excellent sign...
Amazing and Miraculous!!

66 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:46:15pm

re: #61 ralphieboy

But really, in their heyday, the French launched some heroically futile cavalry charges: Agincourt, Eylau, Waterloo, Sedan...all glorious disasters.

Like the rest of France then!
Apart from the "glorious" part, of course.

67 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:32pm

French casualties, WWI:
KIA 1,697,800
Wounded 4,266,000

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

68 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:47:38pm

re: #65 reloadingisnotahobby
That is wonderful. Thank G-d she is coming back.

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:48:15pm

Boy I tell ya I never get tired of people dissing the french

it's like, real original and this is the first time I've ever heard it on the internet

70 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:48:59pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Make "KIA" to "Killed" it includes a few hundred thousand civilians.

71 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:49:15pm

re: #69 WindUpBird

Boy I tell ya I never get tired of people dissing the french

it's like, real original and this is the first time I've ever heard it on the internet

I'm English, we've been doing it for a few years now. Even before the dawn of the internets.

72 qubit2020  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:07pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

anyone else see the one black GOP official in Arizona has stepped down amid threats and crazy? [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Amazing....A Black GOP official... Brings to mind a comedy sketch by Dave Chappelle where he was a blind KKK type (My memory might be hazy on this)

73 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:08pm

A few updates on the investigation...
Investigators probe Loughner's finances

Federal and local investigators are trying to determine how Jared Lee Loughner came up with the money to buy the weapon and ammunition he allegedly used to kill six people and wound more than a dozen others, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in a shooting spree that was captured on a supermarket security camera, law enforcement sources said Wednesday.
...
Law enforcement sources confirmed Wednesday that on the morning of the shooting, Loughner's father confronted him outside their home as he was removing a black bag from the trunk of a family car. Jared Loughner grabbed the bag and ran, and his father gave chase in his truck, the Associated Press reported. Law enforcement sources said the bag remains unaccounted for.
...
n Arizona, investigators believe that Loughner, 22, did not have sufficient income of his own to buy the Glock 19 semiautomatic handgun, the four magazines and the knife he allegedly carried to the gathering Saturday in front of a Tucson supermarket, the sources said. They estimated the cost at close to $1,000.
...
The FBI and Pima County Sheriff's Department investigators are examining the Loughner family's financial records, as well as Jared Loughner's telephone, Internet and e-mail records, as they try to ascertain where the money to buy the weapons came from, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk about an ongoing investigation.

When authorities searched the house of Loughner's parents on the day of the shootings, they also found a shotgun that Jared Loughner had bought the year before at the same gun store where he purchased the Glock.

74 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:11pm

re: #71 HAL2010

I'm English, we've been doing it for a few years now. Even before the dawn of the internets.

Don't you mean before the dawn of the ...ah..WHEEL!!
LOL

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:20pm

re: #71 HAL2010

I'm English, we've been doing it for a few years now. Even before the dawn of the internets.

I'm oregonian, and I tend to think it's stupid and childish and pollutes the blog with bullshit, but get on with your bad english self

76 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:50:58pm

re: #71 HAL2010

I'm English, we've been doing it for a few years now. Even before the dawn of the internets.

So its displacement over all those Vikings making jokes about the British in the Middle Ages?

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:32pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

I'm oregonian, and I tend to think it's stupid and childish and pollutes the blog with bullshit, but get on with your bad english self


I assume you spend your time dissing Californians...

/

78 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:50pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So its displacement over all those Vikings making jokes about the British in the Middle Ages?

I'm also half-Swedish.

KAPOW.

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:51:52pm

re: #74 reloadingisnotahobby

Don't you mean before the dawn of the ...ah..WHEEL!!
LOL

If only I hadn't seen precisely the same jokes over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on every single internet conservative rag for years, derp de derp

Maybe I'll just start hawking gold futures in the comments here, it'd probably be more productive

80 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:52:26pm

re: #78 HAL2010

I'm also half-Swedish.

KAPOW.

"So, are you guys all from the same Dragonship?"

81 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:08pm

The French make it so easy.

82 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:10pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

A few updates on the investigation...
Investigators probe Loughner's finances

Saving $1000 from odd jobs isn't that hard if you live at home. His mother had a $25/hr job, so they weren't destitute.

Also, he was going to community college, which isn't that expensive but he could have qualified for student aid of several types.

83 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:16pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"So, are you guys all from the same Dragonship?"

Now don't you start insulting our fine ships you hear.

84 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:53:49pm

re: #82 KingKenrod

Saving $1000 from odd jobs isn't that hard if you live at home. His mother had a $25/hr job, so they weren't destitute.

Also, he was going to community college, which isn't that expensive but he could have qualified for student aid of several types.

or someone else gave it to him

85 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:12pm

re: #79 WindUpBird

Yes...Of course you are right...(don't get used to it).
...;-)

87 simoom  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:54:34pm

re: #39 Big Steve

As far as Sarah Palin, she has become a cartoon

Speaking of Sarah Palin and cartoons:
Image: bors.jpg

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:02pm

re: #84 Big Steve

or someone else gave it to him

The article referenced above seems to indicate that suspicion --let the speculation begin . . .

89 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:05pm

BTW, I can't help but worry about Obama speaking at the memorial service. Arizona has been home to some of the most extreme gun toting ant-Obama zealots in the past and in today's environment things are much much worse. Not only safety concerns but also embarrassing outbursts from protesters. Let's hope all goes well.

90 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:13pm

re: #78 HAL2010

I'm also half-Swedish.

KAPOW.

Can you Bake???
Oh..My bad,that's the Danish!

91 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:55:38pm

re: #71 HAL2010

If it wasn't for the French lending a hand during the American Revolution, the outcome might have been different, and everyone in America would now be speaking English.


///

92 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:07pm

re: #91 Reginald Perrin

If it wasn't for the French lending a hand during the American Revolution, the outcome might have been different, and everyone in America would now be speaking English.

///

Hah. Did actually laugh at that one.

93 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:33pm

re: #87 simoom

Speaking of Sarah Palin and cartoons:
Image: bors.jpg

Alright folks, nothing to see here, move along..

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:43pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

BTW, I can't help but worry about Obama speaking at the memorial service. Arizona has been home to some of the most extreme gun toting ant-Obama zealots in the past and in today's environment things are much much worse. Not only safety concerns but also embarrassing outbursts from protesters. Let's hope all goes well.

Kudos for Obama for going--I'm sure the Secret Service is fit-to-be-tied over the decision.

95 qubit2020  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:56:58pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

BTW, I can't help but worry about Obama speaking at the memorial service. Arizona has been home to some of the most extreme gun toting ant-Obama zealots in the past and in today's environment things are much much worse. Not only safety concerns but also embarrassing outbursts from protesters. Let's hope all goes well.

Remember that guy with the AR-15 at a political rally there? There is no 2nd amendment issue there...Just raw intimidation.

96 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:22pm

re: #91 Reginald Perrin

Thank god we dodged that one.........LOL

97 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:23pm

re: #91 Reginald Perrin

If it wasn't for the French lending a hand during the American Revolution, the outcome might have been different, and everyone in America would now be speaking English.


///

Or, as a Swede would say;

Iff it vesn't fur zee French lendeeng a hund dooreeng zee Emereecun Refulooshun, zee ooootcume-a meeght hefe-a beee deefffferent, und iferyune-a in Emereeca vuoold noo be-a speekeeng Ingleesh.

98 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:57:37pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Expect any outbursts to be blamed on liberal plants trying to make the right look bad. Beyond that, let's hope that people have enough sense to treat the memorial service with the solemnity it deserves.

99 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:58:52pm

re: #86 000G

Recommended reading:

“Blood libel”: How language evolves and spreads within online worlds

The Term ‘Blood Libel’: More Common Than You Might Think

I did a search at instapundit and came up with about 30 citations going back to 2002. Many different contexts, of course.

100 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:11pm

re: #86 000G

That first article is overlooking a very, very, very key point: Her use of 'blood libel' bears no syllogistic resemblance to an actual blood libel. Most of the examples in that article do.

101 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:37pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I hope his family does not go with him.

102 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 1:59:53pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

BTW, I can't help but worry about Obama speaking at the memorial service. Arizona has been home to some of the most extreme gun toting ant-Obama zealots in the past and in today's environment things are much much worse. Not only safety concerns but also embarrassing outbursts from protesters. Let's hope all goes well.

But...But...he wouldn't walk through a minefield in Helmand Province...

103 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:00:16pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I'm sure that is why he hasn't gone sooner!
It takes days for the Secret Service to "Sweep" for his visit.
...They weld down the sewer and man hole covers for three diff routes to the event so no one can sermise where to make a possible attack!

104 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:00:17pm

re: #101 Obdicut

I hope his family does not go with him.

FLOTUS is going.

105 qubit2020  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:17pm

Gonna catch the news now. Have a good evening all.

106 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:21pm

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You want fries with that..?

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:44pm

re: #103 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm sure that is why he hasn't gone sooner!
It takes days for the Secret Service to "Sweep" for his visit.
...They weld down the sewer and man hole covers for three diff routes to the event so no one can sermise where to make a possible attack!

Those guys take paranoid and OCD to highest professional level --with good cause.

108 Bob Levin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:01:44pm

I don't speak for any Jewish organization, but I think that it's important to defend historical definitions of words, and keep history intact. The erosion and morphing of meaning is happening very quickly, before our eyes, and mostly we let it pass.

From the perspective of Jewish literature, words do have power, they can break bones more than sticks and stones. Not so in Western culture, and we tend to let people fudge meaning, adjust history a little bit here and there, and before you know it, we wake up to a world where it is questionable whether or not the Holocaust occurred, and terrorism is a viable tactic for warfare--even though terrorism does not have a definition.

The working definition of terrorism is that when Jews defend themselves, that's terrorism, and if terrorists commit terrorist acts, that's self-defense. It's gotten to the point that if a Jew builds a house in Israel, that's considered terrorism. All of this is the reason that it is most important to defend language and history.

If the meaning of words is clouded, if basic history is distorted, then what can people stand for?--meaningful principles can only be expressed in language. In other words, principles can only be expressed in clear language, and without clear language, it becomes much harder for people to have principles.

And this brings us to the 'new' shade of meaning for the blood libel. The blood libel was not just some headline in the National Enquirer. The blood libel provided a justification for people to go out and murder Jews. Jews, we Jews, have to make this clear. When we use the term 'blood libel', we are saying that these words will lead to violence, if not murder. It is not used to say that once again we are poor victims, please stop calling us bad names.

Jewish organizations should condemn Sarah Palin's use of the term for the same reasons we condemn the actions of many nations and press organizations covering the Middle East--because it changes the meaning of words, it allows for rhetoric which does have consequences, it breaks down moral principles, and as we have seen, it can lead to death.

This is the principle upon which we should stand. If the criticism of Sarah Palin is that she used language irresponsibly, then she should respond by making sure she uses language responsibly, not changing the definition of more words. What she has done is show that the only principle for which she is willing to stand--is Sarah Palin.

If she apologizes, it should address these issues. Or else it's nothing but more nothing.

109 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:17pm

re: #106 reloadingisnotahobby

You want fries with that..?

O.R.E.O.S.!

110 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:55pm

re: #106 reloadingisnotahobby

You want fries with that..?

Soore-a, I vuoold lufe-a sume-a deleeciuoos freees reeght noo

111 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:55pm

re: #107 ggt

Glad I'm not the guy grinding all the welds of the following week!

112 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:02:55pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

FLOTUS is going.

Oh boy. I really wish she wasn't. I really hope nothing happens.

113 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:03:06pm

re: #108 Bob Levin

Very well said sir.

115 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:03:40pm

re: #103 reloadingisnotahobby

I'm sure that is why he hasn't gone sooner!
It takes days for the Secret Service to "Sweep" for his visit.
...They weld down the sewer and man hole covers for three diff routes to the event so no one can sermise where to make a possible attack!

How much is that going to cost?

/Tea Baggers

116 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:04:06pm

re: #112 Obdicut
Same here. I do not want to see anymore violence.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:04:28pm

re: #63 valuepack

Words have different meanings in politics. They just kinda mean, you know, whatever.

What's important here is that in politics there are only two choices. Liberal or conservative - and liberal thinking has been the root cause of almost every single evil act in human history. Thats all you need to know.

/

Hey! A new guy who uses sarc tags right out of the gate! Welcome.

119 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:05:51pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

BTW, I can't help but worry about Obama speaking at the memorial service. Arizona has been home to some of the most extreme gun toting ant-Obama zealots in the past and in today's environment things are much much worse. Not only safety concerns but also embarrassing outbursts from protesters. Let's hope all goes well.

If he doesn't show up, it's a victory for the proponents of hate and violence.

120 JamesWI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:06:26pm

Althouse has really turned into a sewer. Both the site and the host used to be somewhat like this one - somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum, able to see the stupidity of both sides.

But ever since Obama took office, good god. She's become a female version of Rush Limbaugh, and her comments sections are taken over by the HotAir/Atlas Shrugs fans.

I go back and forth on what would explain this. Was she really this far to the right all along? Did something in her change (perhaps her marriage to a conservative commentator on her site)? Or is it just a cynical ploy - she sees that the vast majority of her readers are on the far-right, so she throws the red meat to them.

121 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:07:09pm

re: #112 Obdicut

Oh boy. I really wish she wasn't. I really hope nothing happens.

Can't have them "afraid to leave their White Houses".

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:07:27pm

re: #116 PhillyPretzel

Same here. I do not want to see anymore violence.

Yes, but at the same time, if our President and First Lady are limited by where they can go on US soil, by the fear of violence against them, it would be very sad.

The more they are isolated, the worse it is for the country.

Since Kennedy's death, the Presidency has become more "protected". It's sad that we have to live like that.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:19pm

re: #62 WindUpBird

anyone else see the one black GOP official in Arizona has stepped down amid threats and crazy? [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Holy SHIT.

This is insane.

Watch him get attacked now as a leftist RINO traitor.

124 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:19pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

Can't have them "afraid to leave their White Houses".

You said it better than I did --and more succinctly!

125 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:08:40pm

I notice that several unregistered individuals have been searching the LGF archives for references to "blood libel."

Sorry, folks - you're not going to find me using it like Palin did. It has appeared at LGF, but always in the proper context.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:09:24pm

re: #81 ggt

The French make it so easy.


The best part is that the French at heart do not care what other people think or say about them. Heck, they hardly care what other Frenchmen say about them...

127 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:09:35pm

re: #125 Charles

By the way, Kayinmaine, last thread, turns out to be a 9/11 truther, "The Jews did it" about the Iraq war, and, weirdly enough, thinks that Al Queda works for the Bush family.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:09:47pm

re: #72 qubit2020

Amazing...A Black GOP official... Brings to mind a comedy sketch by Dave Chappelle where he was a blind KKK type (My memory might be hazy on this)

Yeah. He's a blind man who was raised at an orphanage for blind children where he was the only black kid, so they just told him and all the kids he was white so he wouldn't feel different.

As an adult, he's a renowned white supremacist author.

It is one of the funniest things Dave Chapelle ever did.

129 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:10:22pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

Holy SHIT.

This is insane.

Watch him get attacked now as a leftist RINO traitor.

Somebody posted this the other day, it deserves reposting:

Tea party in the Sonora: For the future of G.O.P. governance, look to Arizona (Harpers)

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:10:40pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So its displacement over all those Vikings making jokes about the British in the Middle Ages?

There's a fabulous story about the time the King of France made a Viking (William the Conqueror's great-grandad, I think), Duke of Normandy.

131 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:10:53pm

Maybe searches should appear in the Spy too.

132 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:01pm

re: #127 Obdicut

By the way, Kayinmaine, last thread, turns out to be a 9/11 truther, "The Jews did it" about the Iraq war, and, weirdly enough, thinks that Al Queda works for the Bush family.

Ugh.

133 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:31pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. He's a blind man who was raised at an orphanage for blind children where he was the only black kid, so they just told him and all the kids he was white so he wouldn't feel different.

As an adult, he's a renowned white supremacist author.

It is one of the funniest things Dave Chapelle ever did.

When he found out he was black he divorced his wife "for being married to a black man" if I remember correctly.

Hilarious stuff, a very, very funny man.

134 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:33pm

re: #127 Obdicut

By the way, Kayinmaine, last thread, turns out to be a 9/11 truther, "The Jews did it" about the Iraq war, and, weirdly enough, thinks that Al Queda works for the Bush family.

It's actual a joint venture, Al Qaeda operates a box cutter factory for the Bush family and Halliburton in Yemen.
///

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:11:41pm

re: #88 ggt

The article referenced above seems to indicate that suspicion --let the speculation begin . . .

I thought about that angle a little, but for a kid living at home, it doesn't seem so improbable that he was able to put the money together.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:06pm

re: #91 Reginald Perrin

If it wasn't for the French lending a hand during the American Revolution, the outcome might have been different, and everyone in America would now be speaking English.


///

Had The French not proffered their assistance during that colonial altercation of the late 18th century, the denizens' parlance might be different...

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:15pm

re: #130 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a fabulous story about the time the King of France made a Viking (William the Conqueror's great-grandad, I think), Duke of Normandy.

My father's family were Normans--who ended up in Wales--then the US. Strange the knowledge that get's passed down.

Does that mean I am of Norse, French, or Welsh ancestry?

138 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:37pm

re: #131 Charles

Maybe searches should appear in the Spy too.

Good idea!

139 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:55pm

re: #127 Obdicut

By the way, Kayinmaine, last thread, turns out to be a 9/11 truther, "The Jews did it" about the Iraq war, and, weirdly enough, thinks that Al Queda works for the Bush family.

"One toke over the line, Sweet Jesus." I guess that surprises me.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:12:59pm

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought about that angle a little, but for a kid living at home, it doesn't seem so improbable that he was able to put the money together.

I don't know, my kid has more money that I do.

141 bubba zanetti  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:11pm

re: #125 Charles

>sudo step_the_fuck_back >> stalkers

142 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:19pm

re: #132 Charles

Ugh.

"The Tyrant Lizard's head rises, and he casts a baleful eye about the Cretaceous landscape..."

143 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:21pm

re: #120 JamesWI

Althouse has really turned into a sewer. Both the site and the host used to be somewhat like this one - somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum, able to see the stupidity of both sides.

But ever since Obama took office, good god. She's become a female version of Rush Limbaugh, and her comments sections are taken over by the HotAir/Atlas Shrugs fans.

I go back and forth on what would explain this. Was she really this far to the right all along? Did something in her change (perhaps her marriage to a conservative commentator on her site)? Or is it just a cynical ploy - she sees that the vast majority of her readers are on the far-right, so she throws the red meat to them.

She's always had a nasty streak. It showed when Pajamas Media launched. I haven't read her since then (and not much before that).

She married one of her commenters? They met in her comment section?

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:30pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

BTW, I can't help but worry about Obama speaking at the memorial service. Arizona has been home to some of the most extreme gun toting ant-Obama zealots in the past and in today's environment things are much much worse. Not only safety concerns but also embarrassing outbursts from protesters. Let's hope all goes well.

I imagine the Secret Service will come loaded for bear. They know the score.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:13:50pm

re: #91 Reginald Perrin

If it wasn't for the French lending a hand during the American Revolution, the outcome might have been different, and everyone in America would now be speaking English.

///

We don't give the Poles enough credit. I'm telling ya.

146 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:18pm

re: #137 ggt

My father's family were Normans--who ended up in Wales--then the US. Strange the knowledge that get's passed down.

Does that mean I am of Norse, French, or Welsh ancestry?

The Norse were Vikings who stole northern France after sailing into Paris and telling the king to give them the land or snuff it.

They got the land they wanted.

147 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:22pm

re: #131 Charles

Maybe searches should appear in the Spy too.

We're gonna need an option to show more than 100 items....

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:23pm

Dog wants to go out again.

149 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:42pm

Serious question.

Can someone point me to at least some of the (many?) examples of "journalists and pundits" who said that Palin "caused" the AZ shootings?

I mean with all this sympathy for Palin about how she was so destructively libeled, there must be tons of them, right?

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:53pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

I imagine the Secret Service will come loaded for bear. They know the score.


But, it being Arizons (and I used to live there) I am sure that somebody will do something at the speech to further embarrass the state and annoy the sane people who still live there.

151 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:14:56pm
I notice that several unregistered individuals have been searching the LGF archives for references to "blood libel."

Their theme song.

152 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:15:00pm

re: #101 Obdicut

I hope his family does not go with him.

If Michelle feels she should be there, I won't say she shouldn't.

The girls should be at home. They have school. And I don't feel good about this whole situation.

153 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:15:17pm

re: #149 Talking Point Detective

Serious question.

Can someone point me to at least some of the (many?) examples of "journalists and pundits" who said that Palin "caused" the AZ shootings?

I mean with all this sympathy for Palin about how she was so destructively libeled, there must be tons of them, right?


Long story short?
No.

Because they did not.

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:16:25pm

re: #29 HAL2010

Some Frenchy claimed that "it's beautiful, but it is not war" when he saw it.

"C'est magnifique, mais c'est pas la guerre. C'est de la folie."

Field Marshal Pierre Bosquet on the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava, Oct 25, 1854.

155 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:17:18pm

Palin is about one nervous breakdown away from pulling her shirt up over her head and asking "Are you threatening me?"

156 bubba zanetti  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:18:22pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I have seen the glory of the internet and it is this ^^^^

157 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:18:27pm

re: #153 HAL2010

Long story short?
No.

Because they did not.

That doesn't actually matter though. Because what matters to the cult is how they 'feel'. And they certainly 'feel' like people are blaming them.

There is, naturally, some truth to that. And some element of self-awareness, however dim.

158 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:19:07pm

Charles, do you know how or where to see the slideshow referenced in this article?

159 nines09  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:19:11pm

re: #108 Bob Levin

I don't speak for any Jewish organization, but I think that it's important to defend historical definitions of words, and keep history intact. The erosion and morphing of meaning is happening very quickly, before our eyes, and mostly we let it pass.

From the perspective of Jewish literature, words do have power, they can break bones more than sticks and stones. Not so in Western culture, and we tend to let people fudge meaning, adjust history a little bit here and there, and before you know it, we wake up to a world where it is questionable whether or not the Holocaust occurred, and terrorism is a viable tactic for warfare--even though terrorism does not have a definition.

The working definition of terrorism is that when Jews defend themselves, that's terrorism, and if terrorists commit terrorist acts, that's self-defense. It's gotten to the point that if a Jew builds a house in Israel, that's considered terrorism. All of this is the reason that it is most important to defend language and history.

If the meaning of words is clouded, if basic history is distorted, then what can people stand for?--meaningful principles can only be expressed in language. In other words, principles can only be expressed in clear language, and without clear language, it becomes much harder for people to have principles.

And this brings us to the 'new' shade of meaning for the blood libel. The blood libel was not just some headline in the National Enquirer. The blood libel provided a justification for people to go out and murder Jews. Jews, we Jews, have to make this clear. When we use the term 'blood libel', we are saying that these words will lead to violence, if not murder. It is not used to say that once again we are poor victims, please stop calling us bad names.

Jewish organizations should condemn Sarah Palin's use of the term for the same reasons we condemn the actions of many nations and press organizations covering the Middle East--because it changes the meaning of words, it allows for rhetoric which does have consequences, it breaks down moral principles, and as we have seen, it can lead to death.

This is the principle upon which we should stand. If the criticism of Sarah Palin is that she used language irresponsibly, then she should respond by making sure she uses language responsibly, not changing the definition of more words. What she has done is show that the only principle for which she is willing to stand--is Sarah Palin.

If she apologizes, it should address these issues. Or else it's nothing but more nothing.

Brilliantly stated. Throwing around words like "Nazi" and "concentration camp" like simple insults are demeaning to the true horror of what they truly were. Political footballs and shameless power grabbing egotists painting false pictures for their own amusement and gain. This is another misuse and bastardization of a very bad piece of history. Palin has no shame nor has she any soul. Empty shell of a woman, and smug with it. Cold.

160 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:19:12pm

re: #155 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Palin is about one nervous breakdown away from pulling her shirt up over her head and asking "Are you threatening me?"

Would that be when she is asked a question regarding her reading material during the 2012 Presidential debate?

161 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:19:16pm

Blog posts, and particularly comments, aren't considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. That edit won't last.

162 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:10pm

re: #133 HAL2010

When he found out he was black he divorced his wife "for being married to a black man" if I remember correctly.

Hilarious stuff, a very, very funny man.

The exact quote actually is that he divorced his wife, "Because she's a n***** lover."

The best role, though, is Jasper, a sighted white supremacist who hasn't said anything because Chappelle is a good friend.

163 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:17pm

re: #153 HAL2010

Long story short?
No.

Because they did not.

C'mon. There have to be some, right? Olberman? Didn't Krugman blog something?

As many times as we've heard that she has been libeled by being accused of being responsible for the attacks - there must be tens, hundreds of examples.

I'm sure that with all the LGF readers, you can come up with a half-dozen at least, right?

164 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:23pm

re: #161 Conservative Moonbat

Blog posts, and particularly comments, aren't considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. That edit won't last.

It didn't last. The current version of the Wikipedia page for blood libel has all that nonsense removed.

165 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:26pm

re: #149 Talking Point Detective

Serious question.

Can someone point me to at least some of the (many?) examples of "journalists and pundits" who said that Palin "caused" the AZ shootings?

I mean with all this sympathy for Palin about how she was so destructively libeled, there must be tons of them, right?

It doesn't matter, it has truthiness to back it up.

166 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:20:55pm

re: #161 Conservative Moonbat

Blog posts, and particularly comments, aren't considered a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. That edit won't last.

It's already been reverted just like it said in the post here. Right.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:21:21pm

re: #137 ggt

My father's family were Normans--who ended up in Wales--then the US. Strange the knowledge that get's passed down.

Does that mean I am of Norse, French, or Welsh ancestry?

Genetically speaking, depends on who married who.

168 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:21:32pm

re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist

The exact quote actually is that he divorced his wife, "Because she's a n*** lover."

The best role, though, is Jasper, a sighted white supremacist who hasn't said anything because Chappelle is a good friend.

Haha!
God was it that rough?
Damn, didn't think he said that. Cudos for the balls to do so.

169 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:10pm

Alex Jones' talking point: "Loughner, Just A Weak-Minded Liberal Who Hated Life, Family and Country"

This man is comically deranged, I can see how he has so much fans who just love to watch this trainwreck of a talking head.

170 tradewind  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:35pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Alan Dershowitz says Palin's usage is correct, and he's hardly a right-wing Palin supporter.

There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim.


I'll take the Harvard prof for a thousand, Alex.
[Link: gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com...]

171 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #169 000G

much = many

damn me

172 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:23:53pm

re: #169 000G

Alex Jones' talking point: "Loughner, Just A Weak-Minded Liberal Who Hated Life, Family and Country"

This man is comically deranged, I can see how he has so much fans who just love to watch this trainwreck of a talking head.

I swear to god, the funniest thing anyone could ever do would be to walk up to him and just do "We have been watching you mr Jones. And now we have come for you."

The look on his face.

173 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:36pm

re: #170 tradewind

You'll take him over all the other Jewish organizations why, exactly?

174 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:24:43pm

re: #158 000G

Charles, do you know how or where to see the slideshow referenced in this article?

Should work now.

175 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:05pm

re: #170 tradewind

Alan Dershowitz says Palin's usage is correct, and he's hardly a right-wing Palin supporter.


I'll take the Harvard prof for a thousand, Alex.
[Link: gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com...]

Yeah, he has supported the right wing before.

176 palomino  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:09pm

So if crimes "begin and end with the criminals who commit them", then it sounds as if Palin now supports the building of the so-called Ground Zero Mosque.

But she quickly contradicts herself when she says that the scrutiny of her could now result in her being in danger. Somehow only the words of others have the magical power to incite violence.

As usual, Palin is playing the victim card. Somehow this all goes back to the mean MSM who just won't overlook Palin's tawdry stunts ("death panels", targets on posters, etc) or her overall idiocy.

177 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:18pm

re: #170 tradewind

There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim.

Again ----- PLEASE show me who has accused Sarah's words or images of being responsible for what happened in AZ on Saturday. Just one quote placing the blame on Sarah will suffice

178 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:21pm

re: #174 Charles

Should work now.

Awesome, danke.

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:25:55pm

The wind blows in Chicagoland. THis causes the snow to form little ripples on its top, kinda like sand on the beach or dessert.

Boy dog feels the need to mark every little ridge.

really?

180 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:27:12pm

re: #179 ggt

The wind blows in Chicagoland. THis causes the snow to form little ripples on its top, kinda like sand on the beach or dessert.

Boy dog feels the need to mark every little ridge.

really?

Be thankful he has no thumbs.

181 tradewind  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:28:27pm

re: #173 Obdicut
I don't really believe that Dershowitz, while certainly Jewish, considers himself a ' Jewish Organization ' as you have defined him.
Per his reputation, intellect, and experience, I certainly believe he's more than capable of correctly defining an historical term.
YMMV.

182 sizzleRI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:29:57pm

re: #170 tradewind

Alan Dershowitz says Palin's usage is correct, and he's hardly a right-wing Palin supporter.


I'll take the Harvard prof for a thousand, Alex.
[Link: gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com...]

Wouldn't be the first time Alan Dershowitz said something not supported by history or fact.

183 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:08pm

re: #173 Obdicut

You'll take him over all the other Jewish organizations why, exactly?

Because he supports trade's partisanship on this specific issue.
;)

184 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:22pm

re: #180 prairiefire

Be thankful he has no thumbs.

I recently read a Sci-Fi Novel in which the cats had opposible thumbs. I know it sounds more like a Horror novel, doesn't it?

EEEEEEEEKKKKK!

185 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:30:56pm

re: #181 tradewind

I don't really believe that Dershowitz, while certainly Jewish, considers himself a ' Jewish Organization ' as you have defined him.
Per his reputation, intellect, and experience, I certainly believe he's more than capable of correctly defining an historical term.
YMMV.

Whether or not he is capable of correctly defining an historical term is completely irrelevant.

The question is: Is criticism of hateful rhetoric coming from the mouths of the far-right, Sarah included, in the shadows of events on Saturday, on the same playing field as accusing Jews of ritualistic human sacrifice in order to justify their extermination.

I think......it is not. But that's just me

186 bubba zanetti  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:31:29pm

re: #184 ggt

I recently read a Sci-Fi Novel in which the cats had opposible thumbs. I know it sounds more like a Horror novel, doesn't it?

I guess you didn't read Red Dwarf, then.

187 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:30pm

re: #173 Obdicut

You'll take him over all the other Jewish organizations why, exactly?

Because Dersh is the one telling him what he wants to hear, that Palin isn't spewing abhorrent frame flipping supersessionism.

188 Kronocide  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:34pm

I'm incessantly hammering the I'm just asking questions meme on Facebook about inquiring in Loughner's politics with my winger foils, who are hammering the 'we don't know' or 'let's not jump to conclusions' in one breath while saying 'looks like he's a lefty' in another.

Pretzelism.

189 Kragar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:32:47pm

re: #186 bubba zanetti

I guess you didn't read Red Dwarf, then.

190 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:01pm

"Frank says:

You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. -- On a postcard from Rykodisc"

191 tradewind  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:22pm

re: #177 mr.fusion
'Shirley' you can't be serious.
There's not enough time in the day.
Just pop in and glance at any number of Twitter feeds, and it won't take long.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:33:28pm

re: #186 bubba zanetti

I guess you didn't read Red Dwarf, then.

No, not yet.

193 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:34:16pm

re: #190 ggt

"Frank says:

You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. -- On a postcard from Rykodisc"

He wasn't kidding either. I rehearsed with George Duke in the same studio where the Mothers rehearsed, in back of Herb Cohen's office in Hollywood, and the giraffe was there, along with a bunch of other bizarre props.

194 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:34:17pm

One arrested in threats against Seattle congressman

Federal prosecutors in Seattle described statements left by Habermann in two Dec. 9 phone calls as an "expletive-laden" effort to influence McDermott's vote on tax policy. According to charging documents, Habermann to have threatened to kill McDermott's friends and family, then, in the second call, threatened to put McDermott "in the trash."

Contacted by the investigators the day after the messages were left, Habermann allegedly admitted to threatening McDermott and an congresswoman not identified in court documents.

"He said he was trying to scare them before they spent money that didn't belong to them," FBI Special Agent Dean Giboney told the court.

"Habermann stated that he never had any intention of hurting anyone," the agent continued, "and that he had too much to lose -- referring to his $3 million trust fund -- to ever do anything which could get him sent to prison."

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:39pm

re: #194 Lidane

""Habermann stated that he never had any intention of hurting anyone," the agent continued, "and that he had too much to lose -- referring to his $3 million trust fund -- to ever do anything which could get him sent to prison."

I guess money doesn't equate with intelligence (or knowledge of the law).

196 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:40pm

re: #191 tradewind

'Shirley' you can't be serious.
There's not enough time in the day.
Just pop in and glance at any number of Twitter feeds, and it won't take long.

You're right, I should have clarified. I have no doubt there are many sufferers of PDS that are blaming her 100%.

But is there anyone on the left comparable with Limbaugh (who has said the entire Democratic Party supports Loughner and his actions) who has blamed Sarah? Hell, even Ed Schultz said there was no blame to throw her way on this particular incident.

197 valuepack  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:35:56pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks for the greetings SFZ, good day to you and everyone else. I've read just enough here to realize that the sarcastic noob must include sarc tag... Some pretty irrational statements are floating about these days.

198 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:36:10pm

re: #194 Lidane

$3 million dollar trust fund asshole.

199 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:37:03pm

re: #197 valuepack

Thanks for the greetings SFZ, good day to you and everyone else. I've read just enough here to realize that the sarcastic noob must include sarc tag... Some pretty irrational statements are floating about these days.

Depends on the time of day.

200 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:26pm

re: #195 ggt

""Habermann stated that he never had any intention of hurting anyone," the agent continued, "and that he had too much to lose -- referring to his $3 million trust fund -- to ever do anything which could get him sent to prison."

I guess money doesn't equate with intelligence (or knowledge of the law).

Idiots come in all kinds of tax brackets.

201 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:38:39pm

re: #149 Talking Point Detective

Serious question.

Can someone point me to at least some of the (many?) examples of "journalists and pundits" who said that Palin "caused" the AZ shootings?

I mean with all this sympathy for Palin about how she was so destructively libeled, there must be tons of them, right?

Well, Kos is a pundit and he tweeted "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin" within an hour of the shooting. I think the only thing we knew at that point about the shooting was that the shooter was white male and young.

I think that's a pretty direct accusation, but not particularly important.

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:39:21pm

re: #201 KingKenrod

Well, Kos is a pundit and he tweeted "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin" within an hour of the shooting. I think the only thing we knew at that point about the shooting was that the shooter was white male and young.

I think that's a pretty direct accusation, but not particularly important.

Does Kos really count?

:)

203 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:40:50pm

re: #193 Charles

He wasn't kidding either. I rehearsed with George Duke in the same studio where the Mothers rehearsed, in back of Herb Cohen's office in Hollywood, and the giraffe was there, along with a bunch of other bizarre props.

What not just stuff Flo full of whipped cream?

204 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:41:18pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Genetically speaking, depends on who married who.

That kind of detailed knowledge didn't get passed down this far. . .

205 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:41:55pm

re: #146 HAL2010

The Norse were Vikings who stole northern France after sailing into Paris and telling the king to give them the land or snuff it.

They got the land they wanted.

Legend states that when the king of France came to give the Viking leader his dukeship, they explained that the process of swearing fealty required him to kiss the king's foot.

After giving this some thought, the Viking leader called over one of his men and said, "You. Go over there and kiss the old guy's foot."

Viking Dude walks over the king of France, hoists him up into the air by his ankle, gives him a peck on the foot, and drops him.

The French nobles agree that that will be fine, thanks, load the king back into the boat, and get the hell out of Normandy.

206 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:43:31pm

re: #204 ggt

That kind of detailed knowledge didn't get passed down this far. . .

ancestry.com

207 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:43:48pm

re: #203 Jeff In Ohio

PIMF,
Why not
Duuudes
Image: flo-eddie1.jpg

Peace out.

208 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:43:59pm

re: #193 Charles

He wasn't kidding either. I rehearsed with George Duke in the same studio where the Mothers rehearsed, in back of Herb Cohen's office in Hollywood, and the giraffe was there, along with a bunch of other bizarre props.

a choice little tid bit

209 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:44:09pm

re: #206 reine.de.tout

ancestry.com

My dad found some neat stuff through that site.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:44:20pm

re: #206 reine.de.tout

ancestry.com

That sounds like (un-paid) work

:).

211 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:44:21pm

re: #201 KingKenrod

Well, Kos is a pundit and he tweeted "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin" within an hour of the shooting. I think the only thing we knew at that point about the shooting was that the shooter was white male and young.

I think that's a pretty direct accusation, but not particularly important.

But we don't even know what mission he was talking about. The "I'm Sarah Palin and I'm dumber than a box of rocks" mission or "I'm Sarah Palin, look at me, I'm still here" mission or "I'm Sarah Palin, and you haven't heard the last of me" mission.

I wish KOS had been more specific.

212 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:44:22pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

Legend states that when the king of France came to give the Viking leader his dukeship, they explained that the process of swearing fealty required him to kiss the king's foot.

After giving this some thought, the Viking leader called over one of his men and said, "You. Go over there and kiss the old guy's foot."

Viking Dude walks over the king of France, hoists him up into the air by his ankle, gives him a peck on the foot, and drops him.

The French nobles agree that that will be fine, thanks, load the king back into the boat, and get the hell out of Normandy.

Image: its-beautiful.jpg
Some things never

213 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:45:16pm

re: #200 HAL2010

Idiots come in all kinds of tax brackets.

It's telling though that the ones who actually worked their way into the highest brackets, such as Gates, Buffett, Winfrey, Soros, tend to be far less selfish and self centered than the ones who inherited the vast majority of their wealth, like the Kochs, Coors, Sciafes, etc.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:45:44pm

re: #168 HAL2010

Haha!
God was it that rough?
Damn, didn't think he said that. Cudos for the balls to do so.

Oh, it was no holds barred.

215 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:45:59pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

My dad found some neat stuff through that site.

I found some neat stuff at that site.
re: #210 ggt

That sounds like (un-paid) work

:).

Actually - it's very user friendly.

I went back a couple of generations, and then discovered, because they give you a "leaf clue", that other folks had traced their family branches back to where theirs met mine, and they had already done a lot of the work.

All I had to do was check out the info.

216 JamesWI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:46:25pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

She married one of her commenters? They met in her comment section?

Indeed.

217 HAL2010  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:47:38pm

Good night!

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:47:44pm

re: #177 mr.fusion

Again --- PLEASE show me who has accused Sarah's words or images of being responsible for what happened in AZ on Saturday. Just one quote placing the blame on Sarah will suffice

This is Krugman's only mention of her:

I remembered the upsurge in political hatred after Bill Clinton’s election in 1992 — an upsurge that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing. And you could see, just by watching the crowds at McCain-Palin rallies, that it was ready to happen again. The Department of Homeland Security reached the same conclusion: in April 2009 an internal report warned that right-wing extremism was on the rise, with a growing potential for violence.

219 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:47:59pm

re: #216 JamesWI

Indeed.

I met my girlfriend on LGF. We've been together two years now.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:48:33pm

re: #181 tradewind

I don't really believe that Dershowitz, while certainly Jewish, considers himself a ' Jewish Organization ' as you have defined him.
Per his reputation, intellect, and experience, I certainly believe he's more than capable of correctly defining an historical term.
YMMV.

And yet, many others Jews with reputation, intellect and experience, are disagreeing, including some who actually agree with Palin on many issues.

221 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:49:12pm

re: #215 reine.de.tout

I found some neat stuff at that site.
re: #210 ggt

Actually - it's very user friendly.

I went back a couple of generations, and then discovered, because they give you a "leaf clue", that other folks had traced their family branches back to where theirs met mine, and they had already done a lot of the work.

All I had to do was check out the info.

Before ancestry.com one of my Mother's relatives retired early and reseached the family tree back to Germany and found living relatives there. It was tons of work for him before computers.

It was nice to meet the people and connect the two trees, but I'm really not that interested in learning any more.

222 JamesWI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:50:55pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

I met my girlfriend on LGF. We've been together two years now.

I was not trashing the idea. Just was part of my initial question of what caused the extreme change in that site - Around the time she took her sharp turn to Rush Limbaugh land, she married a right-wing commentor.

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:51:26pm

re: #202 ggt

Does Kos really count?

:)

I think he counts, and I think he was wrong in putting that up.

But he hardly constitutes the screaming horde we are being told is accusing poor Sarah.

224 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:51:45pm

re: #203 Jeff In Ohio

What not just stuff Flo full of whipped cream?

Flo might volunteer for that.

225 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:52:32pm

re: #222 JamesWI

I was not trashing the idea. Just was part of my initial question of what caused the extreme change in that site - Around the time she took her sharp turn to Rush Limbaugh land, she married a right-wing commentor.

When did I say you were trashing any idea. I was just jumping in with a fun fact. I wasn't even debating anything in this thread. Guilty conscience?

226 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:53:51pm

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

Because Dersh is the one telling him what he wants to hear, that Palin isn't spewing abhorrent frame flipping supersessionism.

Trade is a she, Frank.

227 JamesWI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:06pm

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

When did I say you were trashing any idea. I was just jumping in with a fun fact. I wasn't even debating anything in this thread. Guilty conscience?

Sorry, I thought you might have been jumping in there because my tone might have been taken the wrong way.

228 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:09pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

I met my girlfriend on LGF. We've been together two years now.

That's sweet. I didn't know you'd met here.

229 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:28pm

re: #216 JamesWI

Indeed.

Thanks for the link.

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:32pm

Why do Lawyers put Esq. (uire) after their names?

231 fizzlogic  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:54:58pm

re: #202 ggt
Palin's name never occurred to me. My first thought was FNC's Glenn Beck. He does more on a nightly basis to foment hatred toward political opponents than most anyone.

232 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:55:23pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

And yet, many others Jews with reputation, intellect and experience, are disagreeing, including some who actually agree with Palin on many issues.

Yeah, but nobody can be a real Jew anymore while disagreeing with Christians who clearly know what's best for them. Just sit back, enjoy the apocalyptic fundamentalism and wait for Ann Coulter to perfect your ungrateful butt.

233 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:55:27pm

re: #230 ggt

Why do Lawyers put Esq. (uire) after their names?

To scare you.

234 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:55:30pm

re: #230 ggt

Why do Lawyers put Esq. (uire) after their names?

Because they are elitists.
///

235 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:55:40pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm thinking he already did, and the giraffe was just more ugly...

Really, I got nothing but typos.

236 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:55:55pm

re: #227 JamesWI

Sorry, I thought you might have been jumping in there because my tone might have been taken the wrong way.

No... I was just making light conversation. I didn't notice any tone or anything. That's why I was surprised at your reaction.

Sorry... no foul :)

237 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:56:32pm
238 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:57:06pm

re: #230 ggt

Why do Lawyers put Esq. (uire) after their names?

Because they'd be in trouble if they called themselves "Dr."

Don't laugh. One said to me, "But I have a Juris Doctor degree!"

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:57:09pm

re: #233 Charles

To scare you.

Actually, it turns me off. I thought we were a "land" without titles.

A simple J.D would make more sense, if a person feels the need to label themselves.

240 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:57:25pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

That's sweet. I didn't know you'd met here.

And everyone was wondering what happened to Cato! No... that was a joke... really, I met her here. She was a poster here and she email me and we met.

241 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:57:42pm

re: #224 SanFranciscoZionist

Flo might volunteer for that.

a friend of mine grew up with and roomed with Mark Volman, right up to the point where he found his turtle post...interesting stuff...he then went on to manage tours for various bands until he ended up with Little Feat, when I met him....Charles may know him in fact

242 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:58:43pm

re: #241 albusteve

a friend of mine grew up with and roomed with Mark Volman, right up to the point where he found his turtle post...interesting stuff...he then went on to manage tours for various bands until he ended up with Little Feat, when I met him...Charles may know him in fact

Are we name dropping... I have a list as long as my arm... goody...

243 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:58:47pm

re: #226 Reginald Perrin

Trade is a she, Frank.

Oops, my mistake. I always assume that any gigantic penis I meet is a male.

244 Dante41  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:59:07pm

re: #239 ggt

Actually, it turns me off. I thought we were a "land" without titles.

A simple J.D would make more sense, if a person feels the need to label themselves.

It's just a lawyer's way of saying that "Yes, I am a expert professional". Like "M.D.", "M.M", and so on.

245 JamesWI  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:59:51pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

No... I was just making light conversation. I didn't notice any tone or anything. That's why I was surprised at your reaction.

Sorry... no foul :)

Well, according to that story I linked to, there was apparently some snickering at the time from the likes of Andrew Sullivan and other bloggers about her marrying a guy who commented on the site,s, so I thought you might have taken my comment along those lines.

So, no worries, and congrats.

246 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 2:59:52pm

re: #230 ggt


the chicks

247 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:00:02pm

re: #242 Walter L. Newton

Are we name dropping... I have a list as long as my arm... goody...

I'd like to drop your name, if you catch my drift

248 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:00:41pm

re: #247 albusteve

I'd like to drop your name, if you catch my drift

Really... you a monitor?

249 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:00:41pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

Oops, my mistake. I always assume that any gigantic penis I meet is a male.

Bada Boom!

250 samuraishake  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:01:30pm

What's funniest to me about Palin's whole video is that in one breath she says violent images & political rhetoric aren't responsible for the shooting, but in the very next sentence says that trying to blame her will stir up hate and violence. Apparently she believes that words/imagery will affect others...unless it's her words/imagery.

251 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:01:43pm

re: #246 SpaceJesus

the chicks

re: #238 wrenchwench

Because they'd be in trouble if they called themselves "Dr."

Don't laugh. One said to me, "But I have a Juris Doctor degree!"

it was my mom

252 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:02:00pm

re: #248 Walter L. Newton

Really... you a monitor?

you know I can't divulge that...but consider me the furthest from it...I'm the one being monitored

253 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:02:00pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

Oops, my mistake. I always assume that any gigantic penis I meet is a male.

God Damn You Frank...I am pissed off that I can't give you fifty updings.
CJ is here, and I don't want him to know the identity of all my socks.

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:02:58pm

re: #244 Dante41

It's just a lawyer's way of saying that "Yes, I am a expert professional". Like "M.D.", "M.M", and so on.

Esquire is an aristocratic title, which are not, generally, given for accomplisment, but by the whims of a King or by inheritence. M.D or J.D is a educational degree that is earned.

Strange, IMHO, that any American would want an aristocratic title after their name.

255 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:03:53pm

re: #254 ggt
I agree it is a bit odd. But that is the legal profession.

256 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:05:42pm

re: #198 Obdicut

$3 million dollar trust fund asshole.

He's one of them "real Americans".

257 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:05:46pm
258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:08:43pm

re: #257 reine.de.tout

Richard L. Kent, Esq.

The lawyers I know who use are are die-hard, radical left, democrats. So, I guess the need to label one's self is bipartisan.

:)

259 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:09:49pm

Arizona lines up against Westboro Baptist Church

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:10:19pm

I have to go.

Have a fun evening all!

261 Dante41  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:13:07pm

re: #260 ggt

You too.

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:13:14pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

Oops, my mistake. I always assume that any gigantic penis I meet is a male.

hee hee hee hee

263 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:13:26pm

re: #257 reine.de.tout

Richard L. Kent, Esq.

That man is batshit crazy.

I have exchanged email with that guy, he is living in the eleventy-zone.

264 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:14:47pm

re: #230 ggt

Why do Lawyers put Esq. (uire) after their names?

My father's a lawyer, I don't remember him ever doing the esquire thing

265 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:16:43pm

re: #200 HAL2010

Idiots come in all kinds of tax brackets.

idiots who have always been part of the hyper-rich class, who have grown up completely disconnected from anyone who works paycheck to paycheck, are a very special, disconnected variety of idiot

More importantly, they're an idiot that can do tons of damage

266 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:16:59pm

re: #264 WindUpBird

My father's a lawyer, I don't remember him ever doing the esquire thing

I don't know the reason or background of the term, but I certainly remember most mail sent to me up to around the age of 12 or so, had Walter L. Newton Esq. on the address.

267 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:21:17pm

re: #266 Walter L. Newton

I don't know the reason or background of the term, but I certainly remember most mail sent to me up to around the age of 12 or so, had Walter L. Newton Esq. on the address.

I had some stuff addressed to me as a kid as Master [windupbird's real name], which I thought was always great :D

268 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:21:32pm

re: #266 Walter L. Newton

I don't know the reason or background of the term, but I certainly remember most mail sent to me up to around the age of 12 or so, had Walter L. Newton Esq. on the address.

Ok... maybe I'm answering my own question. My moms side of the family is from New Orleans, and our French heritage goes back to France circa 1680's. Esquire is a French title and Wiki explains... "The most common occurrence of term Esquire today is the conferral as the suffix "Esq." in order to pay an informal compliment to a male recipient by way of implying gentle birth."

I remember most of the mail that came with "Esq" after my name was from the family down south.

269 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:21:36pm

re: #257 reine.de.tout

Richard L. Kent, Esq.

Gah!

He finally stopped sending me hate mail. Don't get him all stirred up again.

/

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:24:17pm
As Giffords' condition improved in an intensive care unit on Wednesday, all federal judges in the state recused themselves from the case to avoid any future questions about their impartiality, given that one of their colleagues, John Roll, was killed in the rampage.

Well, at least we have "fair trial" appeals until the next millennium.

271 otoc  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:25:12pm

It's interesting to go over the wiki history. Various entries attempted to post Sarah Palin references and were deleted.

It started here with the original attempt on the 11th:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

13:58, 11 January 2011 RedSunBlueSkies (talk | contribs) (40,132 bytes) (Added contemporary usage reference regarding non-Jews)

14:34, 11 January 2011 Galassi (talk | contribs) (39,619 bytes) (Undid revision 407271410 by RedSunBlueSkies (talk)blogs are NOT WP:RS)

and then a slew of attempts were made this morning.

You can compare see each entry by clicking the button "rev".
Here's one

In early 2011, following the attempted [[assassination]] of Representative [[Gabrielle Giffords]] at a public constituent event in [[Arizona]], former partial-term [[governor]] of [[Alaska]] and [[Republican]] candidate for [[Vice-President]] [[Sarah Palin]], [[University of Tennessee]] law professor and noted blogger [[Glenn Reynolds]], and [[National Review]] editor [[Jonah Goldberg]] attempted to conflate the term [[blood libel]]with criticism of [[conservatives]] (as well as [[liberals]] and others) of perpetuating an uncivil political climate charged with violent metahpors and imagery and [[eliminationism]], apparently in divorced from the origin and meaning of the phrase.


Fascinating. I've never followed wiki changes this way.

272 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:25:32pm

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, at least we have "fair trial" appeals until the next millennium.

How's the wife... any update... anything you can/want to tell us?

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:27:11pm

re: #272 Walter L. Newton

OH! She's home and fine. Heart is very healthy. No one knows what it was, but she's fine.

Go figure.

274 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:29:59pm
He finally stopped sending me hate mail

Not that he deserves defending, he doesn't, but the guy has three autistic children and possible a case of bent elbow disease.

275 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:30:35pm

I'm sure that tomorrow that Palin will post a video about this "bood libel."

THE ENEMY AT HOME:
THE CULTURAL LEFT AND ITS RESPONSIBILITY FOR 9/11
by Dinesh D'Souza

In this book I make a claim that will seem startling at the outset. The cultural left in this country (such people as Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, George Soros, Michael Moore, Bill Moyers, and Noam Chomsky) is responsible for causing 9/11. The term “cultural left” does not refer to the Democratic Party. Nor does it refer to all liberals. It refers to the left wing of the Democratic Party—admittedly the most energetic group among Democrats, and the main source of the party’s ideas. The cultural left also includes a few Republicans, notably those who adopt a left-wing stance on foreign policy and social issues. Moreover, the cultural left includes organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Organization for Women, People for the American Way, Planned Parenthood, Human Rights Watch, and moveon.org.

[Link: www.dineshdsouza.com...]

276 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:30:50pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OH! She's home and fine. Heart is very healthy. No one knows what it was, but she's fine.

Go figure.

I suspect they did an EKG? No electrical blips? Maybe SVT ( [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ) which is very illusive.

277 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:31:09pm

re: #269 Charles

Gah!

He finally stopped sending me hate mail. Don't get him all stirred up again.

/

Just read the post—here is WAY too much crazy in the world.

278 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:31:09pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OH! She's home and fine. Heart is very healthy. No one knows what it was, but she's fine.

Go figure.

does she have a healthy spine?...sometimes you will get some weird stuff down your arms from disc problems...cervical and the higher thoracic discs...that would take an MRI pointed right at the problem...jus sayin

279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:33:05pm

re: #276 Walter L. Newton

I suspect they did an EKG? No electrical blips? Maybe SVT ( [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ) which is very illusive.

Thanks for asking.

They put her through a four hour chemically induced stress test (here come the "being around you" jokes) and her heart was in great shape. The numbness in the arm is being a attributed to a pinched nerve.

280 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:33:46pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

Just read the post—here is WAY too much crazy in the world.

not much hate, but a lot of loony as I recallre: #276 Walter L. Newton

I suspect they did an EKG? No electrical blips? Maybe SVT ( [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ) which is very illusive.

maybe not her heart at all...could be she wants more allowance money...FBV?

281 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:33:52pm

re: #274 Reginald Perrin

Not that he deserves defending, he doesn't, but the guy has three autistic children and possible a case of bent elbow disease.

I wonder if a correlation between his possible disease and his children's conditions has been explored...

/seen it a few times...

282 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:34:25pm

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OH! She's home and fine. Heart is very healthy. No one knows what it was, but she's fine.

Go figure.

Phew! It's about time you caught a break.

283 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:34:28pm

re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks for asking.

They put her through a four hour chemically induced stress test (here come the "being around you" jokes) and her heart was in great shape. The numbness in the arm is being a attributed to a pinched nerve.

there you have it...

284 darthstar  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:34:29pm

heh...my new garbage service will be $12.75 a month. I've been paying $60 a month at my current place for four years.

285 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:34:45pm

Well the xbox media player doesn't support external subtitle files... that's a pain.

//Whiny 20-something.

286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:34:45pm

re: #282 CuriousLurker

Darn Tootin'!

Thanks.

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:35:04pm

re: #283 albusteve

Thanks, Dr. Steve.

288 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:35:11pm

Has anyone else gotten the gun nut emails about Obama banning 1 million service rifles, M1 & M1 Garand? I tried to debunk it, but it looks like he did it, banned the re import from South Korea. Kinda weird you can buy those guns legit here anyway. SK needs the cash to modernize.

289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:35:42pm

re: #284 darthstar

heh...my new garbage service will be $12.75 a month. I've been paying $60 a month at my current place for four years.

Can't you just wrap it like a gift and leave it somewhere it would be stolen?

290 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:35:59pm

re: #284 darthstar

heh...my new garbage service will be $12.75 a month. I've been paying $60 a month at my current place for four years.

so this is your primary home?...I thought it was a beach house for fun or whatever

291 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:37:06pm

re: #290 albusteve

so this is your primary home?...I thought it was a beach house for fun or whatever

I thought it was for drug deals?

292 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:37:18pm

re: #287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, Dr. Steve.

hey, anytime....I'm happy she's good to go again....can't let that laundry pile up...then there is the cookin etc...

293 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:37:38pm

re: #284 darthstar

May I borrow 47.25 per month?

294 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:38:26pm

re: #219 Walter L. Newton

I met my girlfriend on LGF. We've been together two years now.

I didn't know that, congratulations.
Have a safe trip, try to post or upload a postcard.

295 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:38:45pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator
No I have not. Who is mailing these "silly" letters?

296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:38:53pm

re: #292 albusteve

She thinks the oven is something you store sweaters in.

297 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:40:28pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

Has anyone else gotten the gun nut emails about Obama banning 1 million service rifles, M1 & M1 Garand? I tried to debunk it, but it looks like he did it, banned the re import from South Korea. Kinda weird you can buy those guns legit here anyway. SK needs the cash to modernize.

it's true...gonna destroy them I think...one of the most priceless collectables ever....what a friggin waste...what will that prove?...pinheads...I'd really like to own one...brand new in the box, it's criminal and I see it as overstepping his authority

298 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:41:16pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

I thought it was for drug deals?

or a poker shack for the boyz

299 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:41:19pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

I wonder if a correlation between his possible disease and his children's conditions has been explored...

/seen it a few times...

Sincerely.... I think raising three autistic children may have contributed to the drinking.

300 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:41:20pm

re: #294 ozbloke

I didn't know that, congratulations.
Have a safe trip, try to post or upload a postcard.

Will do. I shouldn't have any problem getting access, bring a Ipod Touch and a netbook... a lot has to do with time and how ambitious I am. The only reason we are bring a netbook is just in case my girlfriend just HAS to put out a fire at her job.

Other than that and checking email, I'm not that interested in being on line from there.

But I probably will check in a bit.

301 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:16pm

re: #295 PhillyPretzel

Well I can't say specifically. Just say fellow gun rights advocates that were all in a froth over Obama before he even swore in. Or sent me some BS. Usually I can debunk it and send a corrective reply. But not this time.

302 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:21pm

re: #299 Reginald Perrin

I have no autistic children.
*hic!*

303 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:24pm

As per Olbermann via Twitter:

Rep. Giffords is "definitely 'there'," her aide tells Brian Williams. She's made "V" sign with her fingers, scratched her nose...

All of that - plus adjusting her own hospital gown - was NOT at doctors' instructions. The Congresswoman is doing that... herself :)

304 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:42:27pm

re: #296 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She thinks the oven is something you store sweaters in.

get rid of the sweaters dude...c'mon, think!

305 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:43:22pm

re: #301 Rightwingconspirator

It is okay.

306 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:45:20pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

Has anyone else gotten the gun nut emails about Obama banning 1 million service rifles, M1 & M1 Garand? I tried to debunk it, but it looks like he did it, banned the re import from South Korea. Kinda weird you can buy those guns legit here anyway. SK needs the cash to modernize.

If you can buy them here legally, but the ban is on imports from South Korea, it could have been instigated by an American gun manufacturer to try and limit competition.

As it is, I can't find anything online about any of that. Hopefully someone will have better luck than me. My Google-fu is being oddly weak in searching for this.

307 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:45:24pm

re: #299 Reginald Perrin

Sincerely... I think raising three autistic children may have contributed to the drinking.

people have choices and in that case, one does not lead to the other....but when I put myself in his shoes, my bipolar wife was a reason to drink more heavily than normal...still, no excuse

308 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:47:37pm

re: #306 Lidane

If you can buy them here legally, but the ban is on imports from South Korea, it could have been instigated by an American gun manufacturer to try and limit competition.

As it is, I can't find anything online about any of that. Hopefully someone will have better luck than me. My Google-fu is being oddly weak in searching for this.

no, it's a govt grab
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


they consider 8 rounds to be high capacity...goddamned idiots

309 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:47:43pm

re: #297 albusteve

Yeah, collectors do not even shoot the things, they keep them pristine an display or in the safe. Not much risk there.

310 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:49:55pm

re: #306 Lidane

I got this google link

[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks pretty solid. The import was okay a year ago, we have a change in policy here. Hard to imagine a gun manufacturer having that much pull with Pres Obama. But maybe.

311 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:51:07pm

M1 Garand...one of the most beautiful, perfectly designed rifles ever made...the weapon that won WW11....highly prized by collectors and the feds bought them and will destroy them, so they don't get into the 'wrong hands'....it's infuriating, just wrong....statistically it's bullshit

312 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:51:11pm
313 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:52:01pm

re: #267 WindUpBird

I had some stuff addressed to me as a kid as Master [windupbird's real name], which I thought was always great :D

That was actually, the proper way to address young men. I think it's gone by the wayside, I don't think folks do it anymore. Good thing, for my friend whose last name is Bates.

314 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:52:03pm

The lawyers I work with use "esquire" on their letterheads, and on official filings, and nowhere else. In person they are "Mr. Smith" or "Attorney Smith".

There's a looooong history of tradition in the law, and titles like that are just part of the territory.

315 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:52:09pm

re: #274 Reginald Perrin

Not that he deserves defending, he doesn't, but the guy has three autistic children and possible a case of bent elbow disease.

that certainly wouldn't help, I've met my share of families with autistic/schizophrenic children *_*

316 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:52:29pm

re: #313 reine.de.tout

That was actually, the proper way to address young men. I think it's gone by the wayside, I don't think folks do it anymore. Good thing, for my friend whose last name is Bates.

oh dear :D

317 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:53:43pm

re: #310 Rightwingconspirator

I got this google link

[Link: www.google.com...]

Looks pretty solid. The import was okay a year ago, we have a change in policy here. Hard to imagine a gun manufacturer having that much pull with Pres Obama. But maybe.

I don't know if the pull would be with him specifically. I was thinking more along the lines of the gun manufacturer lobbying the right people to get a ban pushed through in legislation or through some other thing that would be signed off on without much notice.

It's the first I've heard of that at all. Weird.

318 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:54:01pm

if anyone feels like throwing up, check out the comments over at foxnews about americans adopting kids from haiti

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

319 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:54:24pm

re: #316 WindUpBird

oh dear :D

:-)
true.

320 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:55:00pm

A classic RW tweet:

Nothing Palin says or does will ever satisfy the Left...except her complete silence & bowing to Left Wing 1- party rule.

321 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:55:38pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

if anyone feels like throwing up, check out the comments over at foxnews about americans adopting kids from haiti

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

OMFG.

I am never going to that website again. that is some of the sickest shit I have seen in awhile.

322 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:55:52pm

re: #320 Charles

Talk about projection. Wow.

323 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:56:06pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

here's a doozie

These "Do Gooders"...same one's who voted for Obama,are just continuing to turn America into a borderline 3rd world country.

Just like the same one's who argued that Hispanics should be allowed to invade,so we get cheaper vegtables.

They will regret their choices... when their children live a life much more difficult than them themselves.

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]


what's great is the Fox news article was unambiguously positive. But the people in the comments, just total psychos

324 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:56:44pm

re: #303 CuriousLurker

Wow. Fantastic. Now here in Los Angeles last night a local sheriff was talking to a gang banger about some suspicious activity, and got shot by him in the eye. Again we have a head shot survivor thank god. This time the training officer swatted the gun away from his chest and shot the gang banger. He did not survive.

325 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:56:55pm

re: #323 WindUpBird

The lunatics are now running the asylum.

326 Lidane  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:57:11pm

re: #321 Fozzie Bear

OMFG.

I am never going to that website again. that is some of the sickest shit I have seen in awhile.

Seriously. The open racism is almost immediate. Wow.

327 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:57:13pm

re: #321 Fozzie Bear

OMFG.

I am never going to that website again. that is some of the sickest shit I have seen in awhile.

The internet gives us the window into peoples' heads o_o

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:57:48pm

re: #325 Fozzie Bear

The lunatics are now running the asylum.

2012 will REALLY BE SOMETHING

329 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:58:59pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

2012 will REALLY BE SOMETHING

I think I may just disconnect the TV and disappear from politics for a few months in 2012. If it gets any worse than it is now, and it definitely will, I won't be able to read it without having an aneurysm.

330 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:59:09pm

BBL

331 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 3:59:40pm

re: #323 WindUpBird

Pretty sure they aren't trolls.

332 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:00:36pm

Interesting.

No mention of Palin's "blood libel" video on the front page of Fox's website.

Is it possible that even they realize how much she fucked up?

333 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:00:47pm

I can't even find a single non-wingnut comment on that foxnews.com article. Literally every comment is frothing-at-the-mouth insane.

334 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:02:43pm

re: #329 Fozzie Bear

I think I may just disconnect the TV and disappear from politics for a few months in 2012. If it gets any worse than it is now, and it definitely will, I won't be able to read it without having an aneurysm.

good idea actually...very thing important you can check out here...absolutely turn off FOX....do NOT feed the beast....LGF will keep you up to speed, try it....join the club, bro

335 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:02:47pm

re: #333 Fozzie Bear

Ah, found a sane one... followed by dozens of comments calling him all kinds of names. Unbelievable.

336 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:04:22pm

re: #334 albusteve

good idea actually...very thing important you can check out here...absolutely turn off FOX...do NOT feed the beast...LGF will keep you up to speed, try it...join the club, bro

I'll probably end up watching 538.com down to the wire, LGF, and the NYT, and some NPR. CNN/FOX/MSNBC are out. Except Maddow, she's ok.

337 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:06:40pm

re: #336 Fozzie Bear

I'll probably end up watching 538.com down to the wire, LGF, and the NYT, and some NPR. CNN/FOX/MSNBC are out. Except Maddow, she's ok.

3-4 years ago, I ragged on Fox TV and people here ripped me a new asshole...LOL

338 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:06:42pm

Apparently the zombie apocalypse is here, because this thread just upped and died out of nowhere.

339 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:07:14pm

re: #323 WindUpBird

I see you over there. For some reason, fox isn't letting me post. I can upding, but not post.

340 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:07:21pm

re: #337 albusteve

3-4 years ago, I ragged on Fox TV and people here ripped me a new asshole...LOL

I probably would have flamed out within 10 minutes back then, lol.

341 ryannon  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:07:33pm

So much crazy in real-time: no little time left for sanity.

Everyone at the throat of their brother or sister.

America: too late to even give it back to the Indians.

Immense bone-yard on a dying planet.

All the old, dark prophesies coming true.

Buy gold to sleep with, cat food, heritage seeds for the sparrows.

Dance in circles, fall to the ground, merciful Mother Earth

Bleach my bones

Cover me in sweet Buffalo Grass.

342 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:07:52pm

re: #320 Charles

A classic RW tweet:

Not true. An announcement that she was retiring from public life completely and going back to Wasila would make me very satisfied!

343 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:09:58pm

re: #341 ryannon

So much crazy in real-time: no little time left for sanity.

Everyone at the throat of their brother or sister.

America: too late to even give it back to the Indians.

Immense bone-yard on a dying planet.

All the old, dark prophesies coming true.

Buy gold to sleep with, cat food, heritage seeds for the sparrows.

Dance in circles, fall to the ground, merciful Mother Earth

Bleach my bones

Cover me in sweet Buffalo Grass.

Alex... give me Żubrówka for 1000.

344 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:10:04pm

Here's what Alan Dershowitz had to say:

The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term.

345 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:10:13pm

Is that your double post over there, SpaceJesus?

346 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:10:42pm

re: #344 lostlakehiker

Here's what Alan Dershowitz had to say:

This has already been discussed and shot down here today.

347 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:13:43pm

re: #338 Fozzie Bear

Apparently the zombie apocalypse is here, because this thread just upped and died out of nowhere.

It's dead Jim.

348 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:14:14pm

re: #341 ryannon

So much crazy in real-time: no little time left for sanity.

Everyone at the throat of their brother or sister.

America: too late to even give it back to the Indians.

Immense bone-yard on a dying planet.

All the old, dark prophesies coming true.

Buy gold to sleep with, cat food, heritage seeds for the sparrows.

Dance in circles, fall to the ground, merciful Mother Earth

Bleach my bones

Cover me in sweet Buffalo Grass.

even the buffalo grass itself nearly became extinct at one point...completely wiped out 40m buffalo in a couple of decades, sanctioned by the US govt

349 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:16:15pm

re: #329 Fozzie Bear

I think I may just disconnect the TV and disappear from politics for a few months in 2012. If it gets any worse than it is now, and it definitely will, I won't be able to read it without having an aneurysm.

Yeah, I'm probably going to just work and work and ignore the world if it gets too bad, and then just occasionally write checks to decent candidates when something really makes me mad :D

350 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:16:41pm

re: #348 albusteve

So sad. Who knows how many hundreds of thousands of years, that those animals roamed the continent in vast herds, only to be wiped out in the blink of an eye by well-armed idiots. So incredibly pointless.

351 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:16:54pm

re: #324 Rightwingconspirator

Wow. Fantastic. Now here in Los Angeles last night a local sheriff was talking to a gang banger about some suspicious activity, and got shot by him in the eye. Again we have a head shot survivor thank god. This time the training officer swatted the gun away from his chest and shot the gang banger. He did not survive.

Good news!

352 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:16:58pm

re: #339 SpaceJesus

I see you over there. For some reason, fox isn't letting me post. I can upding, but not post.

I'm just hassling them, i'm sure they'll kill my ability to post soon enough :D

353 ryannon  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:18:06pm

re: #348 albusteve

354 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:18:57pm

I love how some of the racist fucks over at foxnews use their real email addresses when posting their filth.

355 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:19:54pm

re: #354 SpaceJesus
They are trying to prove they have nothing to hide.

356 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:20:01pm

re: #350 Fozzie Bear

So sad. Who knows how many hundreds of thousands of years, that those animals roamed the continent in vast herds, only to be wiped out in the blink of an eye by well-armed idiots. So incredibly pointless.

took the hides and let the meat rot...then went back years later and collected bone to be made into soap and fertilizer....capitalism!...and it drove the plains Indians off the plains and out of the way of progress

357 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:20:21pm

re: #320 Charles

A classic RW tweet:

Nothing Palin says or does will ever satisfy the Left...except her complete silence & bowing to Left Wing 1- party rule.

actually, i would have been quite happy if she had said:

"if anything i have said or done contributed to this man's actions in any way, i am deeply sorry. mt heart goes out to all the victims of this henious act and their families. let us all come together as americans and vow that if we must disagree, to do it peacefully and respectfully"

seems to me like the obvious thing that any adult would say

358 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:20:24pm

re: #297 albusteve

it's true...gonna destroy them I think...one of the most priceless collectables ever...what a friggin waste...what will that prove?...pinheads...I'd really like to own one...brand new in the box, it's criminal and I see it as overstepping his authority

CMP has said they don't want them. From what I have read (google is your friend) they'd cost about $200 to buy and then big bucks to restore. In many even the receiver isn't safe to use anymore IIUC.

359 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:21:30pm

Oh, FFS! You guys have to see this to believe it.

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

*thud*

360 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:22:45pm

re: #329 Fozzie Bear

I think I may just disconnect the TV and disappear from politics for a few months in 2012. If it gets any worse than it is now, and it definitely will, I won't be able to read it without having an aneurysm.

I can relate. I woke up to the headline 'Palin Hits Back' on TPM, and everything that followed during the course of the day made me feel like pitching my laptop out into the snow.

The sheer relentlessness of the spin, the weight of the Bad Craziness and the concentration of stupidity really got to me today.

I think I need someone to tell me that all these are the death throes of the Tea Party that I'm watching, but I don't hold out much hope at this point. I truly fear that they're going to win.

Some days I just don't recognize this country any more.

361 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:24:25pm

re: #350 Fozzie Bear

Not the first time something like this has happened.

The Tragedy of the Dodo


In the year 1598 AD, Portuguese sailors landing on the shores of the island of Mauritius discovered a previously unknown species of bird, the Dodo. Having been isolated by its island location from contact with humanity, the dodo greeted the new visitors with a child-like innocence. The sailors mistook the gentle spirit of the dodo, and its lack of fear of the new predators, as stupidity. They dubbed the bird "dodo" (meaning something similar to a simpleton in the Portuguese tongue). Many dodo were killed by the human visitors, and those that survived man had to face the introduced animals. Dogs and pigs soon became feral when introduced to the Mauritian eco-system. By the year 1681, the last dodo had died, and the world was left worse with its passing.


/Wonder if they tasted like Chicken?

362 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:24:51pm

re: #359 CuriousLurker

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

what the hell is this bullshit

363 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:25:05pm

re: #359 CuriousLurker

Blood shot out my nose when I saw this. I aged at least 5 years instantaneously, and my soul may have died. Not sure yet.

Melissa Clouthier: The Real Victim Is Always David Frum

People on "Conservatives fo Palin" are accusing Frum of playing the victim card.

ERROR. ERROR. IRONY OVERLOAD. HEAD EXPLODING.

364 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:25:15pm

re: #353 ryannon

very eerie, but also sounded sort of traditional

365 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:26:05pm

re: #362 SpaceJesus

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

what the hell is this bullshit

I have no words.

366 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:26:37pm

re: #361 Bubblehead II

That also makes me terribly sad. The poor animals had no fear or aggression. So we slaughtered every last one of them. How fucking heartless.

367 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:26:55pm

re: #354 SpaceJesus

I love how some of the racist fucks over at foxnews use their real email addresses when posting their filth.

Easy to do when you have twelve email addys under five names.

Speaking of email, are you still using the addy you gave me?

368 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:27:17pm

re: #365 CuriousLurker
I too have no words. Gee Are these folks actually thinking about anything?

369 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:28:29pm

re: #367 Reginald Perrin


No. That email was borrowedconstructively abandoned

i'll give you my real gmail one if you like

370 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:28:37pm

re: #359 CuriousLurker

Oh, FFS! You guys have to see this to believe it.

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

*thud*

"Now, fast-forward to 2011, and we are talking about whether it is appropriate for Sarah Palin to use the term “blood libel” to describe the fashion in which she was personally blamed, despite irrefutable evidence to the contrary, for a savage and demented mass murder."

i wonder what this "irrefutable evidence" is

371 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:29:00pm

re: #359 CuriousLurker

Oh, FFS! You guys have to see this to believe it.

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

*thud*

They need to have cheerleaders with pom, pom graphics.

Gimme a P ... P!

Gimme an A ... A!

Gimme a L ... L!

Gimme an I ... I!

Gimme a N ... N!


WHAT DOES THAT SPELL?

PALIN, PALIN woo, yah woooo! woo!

372 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:29:07pm

re: #368 PhillyPretzel

I too have no words. Gee Are these folks actually thinking about anything?

If they are I sure can't imagine what. I thought she GOT that she effed up with the BL thing. Obviously not. I... I give up.

373 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:29:27pm

re: #362 SpaceJesus

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

what the hell is this bullshit

check out the awesomely bad jpeg compression on the marquee

374 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:29:52pm

re: #370 engineer dog

Apparently this brilliant author has proved a negative in a situation that is not falsifiable, and has multiple layers of causation which cannot be determined. I sit in awe of such genius. /

375 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:23pm

Very fair and balanced poll up at foxnews.com:

Image: screenshot_poll.jpg

376 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:45pm

re: #374 Fozzie Bear

Apparently this brilliant author has proved a negative in a situation that is not falsifiable, and has multiple layers of causation which cannot be determined. I sit in awe of such genius. /

you would love my lawyer...

377 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:45pm

re: #358 wlewisiii

CMP has said they don't want them. From what I have read (google is your friend) they'd cost about $200 to buy and then big bucks to restore. In many even the receiver isn't safe to use anymore IIUC.

I believe they are brand new, never been fired...but I cannot find it for a fact

378 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:30:49pm

I can almost guarantee that at 12:48 Eastern Standard time, Sarah was sitting in a chair surrounded by advisors and saying "The Jews say whuu...?
Her base does not know the 'blood libel" historic context. Her base hears "blood lie".

379 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:31:04pm

re: #370 engineer dog

"Now, fast-forward to 2011, and we are talking about whether it is appropriate for Sarah Palin to use the term “blood libel” to describe the fashion in which she was personally blamed, despite irrefutable evidence to the contrary, for a savage and demented mass murder."

i wonder what this "irrefutable evidence" is

I didn't read anything. My brain couldn't get past the graphic on the home page, so I just took a screenshot and left.

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:31:46pm

re: #318 SpaceJesus

if anyone feels like throwing up, check out the comments over at foxnews about americans adopting kids from haiti

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Nifty.

I see windupbird is having fun over there.

I like this one from midark:

I think that some of these families could have chosen a little better. HIV positive? Im sure the neighborhood kids are gonna be eager to play with him. Who is going to pick up the treatment cost if he develops full blown AIDS. Its like going to the animal shelter and asking for a rapid dog.

Some of us like rapid dogs, dude. Not all dogs have to be slow.

381 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:31:52pm

re: #379 CuriousLurker

I didn't read anything. My brain couldn't get past the graphic on the home page, so I just took a screenshot and left.

it's an offense to web developers everywhere

382 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:31:58pm

re: #359 CuriousLurker

Oh, FFS! You guys have to see this to believe it.

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

*thud*

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

383 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:05pm

re: #369 SpaceJesus

No. That email was borrowedconstructively abandoned

i'll give you my real gmail one if you like

Thanks, my nic is blue.

384 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:07pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. He's a blind man who was raised at an orphanage for blind children where he was the only black kid, so they just told him and all the kids he was white so he wouldn't feel different.

As an adult, he's a renowned white supremacist author.

It is one of the funniest things Dave Chapelle ever did.

Dave Chappelle: Clayton Bigsby, Black White Supremacist

385 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:12pm

re: #321 Fozzie Bear

OMFG.

I am never going to that website again. that is some of the sickest shit I have seen in awhile.

In general news site comments are absolutely awful.

386 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:41pm

re: #371 Jadespring

Just when I think Sarah can no longer surprise me, she does it again.

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:41pm

re: #384 talon_262

oh god I love that bit

388 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:32:57pm

re: #384 talon_262

the Frontline announcer guy just rules

389 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:33:18pm

re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist

In general news site comments are absolutely awful.

wasn't it ABC where there was some insane outburst of comments crazy?

390 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:33:20pm

re: #381 WindUpBird

it's an offense to web developers everywhere

1993 is calling. They want their web developer back.

391 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:34:39pm
Of course, the Jews of medieval Europe who were the victims of the blood libel did not have the political freedom that Americans enjoy today, and which we conservatives are using to defend ourselves. That is such an obvious difference that no one felt it necessary to make the point when using the analogy–which, like any analogy, is inexact and open to debate.

What does that even mean...

392 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:35:12pm

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

This has already been discussed and shot down here today.

This is what Jonah Goldberg, who is otherwise a perfect model of wingnuttery has to say:

I should have said this a few days ago, when my friend Glenn Reynolds introduced the term to this debate. But I think that the use of this particular term in this context isn’t ideal. Historically, the term is almost invariably used to describe anti-Semitic myths about how Jews use blood — usually from children — in their rituals. I agree entirely with Glenn’s, and now Palin’s, larger point. But I’m not sure either of them intended to redefine the phrase, or that they should have.

393 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:35:47pm

re: #346 Walter L. Newton

This has already been discussed and shot down here today.

Shot down? Dershowitz did not in fact say that?

394 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:35:55pm

re: #363 Fozzie Bear

Blood shot out my nose when I saw this. I aged at least 5 years instantaneously, and my soul may have died. Not sure yet.

Melissa Clouthier: The Real Victim Is Always David Frum

People on "Conservatives fo Palin" are accusing Frum of playing the victim card.

ERROR. ERROR. IRONY OVERLOAD. HEAD EXPLODING.

Y'know I had just been reading the comments on her FB page while it was quiet here. Then when you were talking about Fox I wanted to mention the C4P site, but I decided to check it first... NOT what I was expecting to see.

395 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:35:58pm

re: #391 McSpiff

What does that even mean...

I think it means there was no interweb then... I could be wrong.

396 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:36:02pm

re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist

Nifty.

I see windupbird is having fun over there.

I like this one from midark:

I think that some of these families could have chosen a little better. HIV positive? Im sure the neighborhood kids are gonna be eager to play with him. Who is going to pick up the treatment cost if he develops full blown AIDS. Its like going to the animal shelter and asking for a rapid dog.

Some of us like rapid dogs, dude. Not all dogs have to be slow.

WUB!

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:36:38pm

re: #359 CuriousLurker

Oh, FFS! You guys have to see this to believe it.

[Link: conservatives4palin.com...]

*thud*

The "partners in blood" article is very, very special.

398 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:37:00pm

re: #393 lostlakehiker

Shot down? Dershowitz did not in fact say that?

No... go up thread and read the consensus as to the validity of his remarks.

399 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:37:00pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

It's telling though that the ones who actually worked their way into the highest brackets, such as Gates, Buffett, Winfrey, Soros, tend to be far less selfish and self centered than the ones who inherited the vast majority of their wealth, like the Kochs, Coors, Sciafes, etc.

Or going back a bit, Andrew Carnegie.

400 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:37:09pm

re: #391 McSpiff

What does that even mean...

Everything is mush. We are like Adam in the garden, we get to just make up names for everything.

This device I use to type words with, for instance, is a snarglethorpe.

FREEEDOOOOOM

401 petecart  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:38:08pm

re: #388 WindUpBird

Which is true.

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:39:02pm

re: #377 albusteve

I believe they are brand new, never been fired...but I cannot find it for a fact

$600 will get you a very good rifle from CMP. That's a better reality than maybe worn out rifles that the SK government has been trying to get rid of for years.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:39:29pm

re: #389 WindUpBird

wasn't it ABC where there was some insane outburst of comments crazy?

I don't know. Yahoo is permanently full of insane people.

404 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:39:43pm

The world we now live in is a postmodernist nightmare from which there can be no escape.

Discuss.

405 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:40:25pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

The "partners in blood" article is very, very special.

I don't know.

It seems as if we're elevating stupid to an undeserved status.

I saw the web site. It isn't particularly profound. A lot like the revisionist web sites that want to come across as 'serious'.

406 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:40:44pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know. Yahoo is permanently full of insane people.

AOL is the worst I have seen. You can type any arbitrary phrase, no matter how horrifying, including calls for genocide, and you will never get banned, let alone a comment deleted.

407 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:40:59pm

re: #375 000G

Very fair and balanced poll up at foxnews.com:

Image: screenshot_poll.jpg

I was going to vote but they didn't have a choicer that came close to my reaction.

408 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:41:19pm

re: #379 CuriousLurker

I didn't read anything. My brain couldn't get past the graphic on the home page, so I just took a screenshot and left.

The scene of her looking down on the White House from a Alaskan Mountain Top?

Or so I presume. I found it kinda of funny, as in it's never going to happen you stupid twit. Back in a minute or two. Safari is screwing up a IE-8 window I have open. Have to reset it and then restart it (Safari)

409 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:41:26pm

re: #391 McSpiff

What does that even mean...

"We realize we're not actually living the Prague Ghetto, which we presume is why people don't like us saying we're victims of blood libel"?

Maybe.

410 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:02pm

re: #404 Fozzie Bear

The world we now live in is a postmodernist nightmare from which there can be no escape.

Discuss.

Am I missing something? Postmodernism is basically a socially and political left concept... yes?

411 albusteve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:42:28pm

re: #402 wlewisiii

$600 will get you a very good rifle from CMP. That's a better reality than maybe worn out rifles that the SK government has been trying to get rid of for years.

I wouldn't mind a used one if it's in excellent condition...even those are hard to come by...but they are way to heavy to use these days, their time has passed....just for collecting and periodic shooting

412 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:43:12pm

Is it safe?

413 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:43:18pm

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something? Postmodernism is basically a socially and political left concept... yes?

from which there can be no escape?

414 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:43:53pm

re: #412 Gus 802

Is it safe?

sure, here hold my beer...

415 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:44:21pm

re: #412 Gus 802

Is it safe?

I'm still here until early Friday morning... then I go annoy the French.

416 ryannon  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:44:43pm

re: #412 Gus 802

Is it safe?

Of course. Open wide.

417 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:44:52pm

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

I'm still here until early Friday morning... then I go annoy the French.

How long you going to be gone?

418 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:45:00pm

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something? Postmodernism is basically a socially and political left concept... yes?

It's basically a "bullshit your way past the thesis committee" concept. My new boss used it once in an Army briefing, and I put in immediately for an overseas tour.

419 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:45:37pm

re: #398 Walter L. Newton

No... go up thread and read the consensus as to the validity of his remarks.

It's not a matter of 'valid' or not, it's just that he's one voice. If a body agrees with him, fine. I don't, and a wide range of Jews from a wide range of political perspectives don't.

420 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:45:49pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

The "partners in blood" article is very, very special.

I'm not prepared to go back yet. I'll wait for you guys to talk about it.

You know what it reminds me of? Some of the bloody Shia' martyr art that comes out of Iran. Seeing it on an American site completely discombobulated me. O_o

421 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:16pm

re: #417 Gus 802

How long you going to be gone?

Fly back on the 24th of Jan. I'll be there long enough to get arrested, but not long enough to claim asylum.

422 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:16pm

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something? Postmodernism is basically a socially and political left concept... yes?

More like a prediction of an inevitable direction that culture will move into in the future, rather than a philospohy.

It's kind of like a critique.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

(not that you couldn't have googled that yourself, just trying to be helpful)

423 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:25pm

re: #414 brookly red

sure, here hold my beer...

I can haz beer!

424 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:50pm

re: #423 Gus 802

I can haz beer!

not MY beer...

425 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:46:59pm

re: #170 tradewind

Dershowitz is full of shit and so are you...and you know it.

426 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:47:20pm

re: #406 Fozzie Bear

AOL is the worst I have seen. You can type any arbitrary phrase, no matter how horrifying, including calls for genocide, and you will never get banned, let alone a comment deleted.

I went on there after John F. Kennedy Jr.'s plane went down. Spewing hatred, conspiracy theories, and then once in a while some guy from Indonesia or some place would pop on and solemnly express his sympathy for the people of the United States...who, to judge from their posts, needed tranquilizers more than sympathy.

427 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:47:46pm

re: #422 Fozzie Bear

(one of the central tenets being that there is no longer a thing such as truth, but only perspectives. which is where we seem to find ourselves.)

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:48:03pm

re: #410 Walter L. Newton

Am I missing something? Postmodernism is basically a socially and political left concept... yes?

Then there's my ex-boss, who likes to tell people that she's 'pomosexual'.

429 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:48:16pm

re: #422 Fozzie Bear

More like a prediction of an inevitable direction that culture will move into in the future, rather than a philospohy.

It's kind of like a critique.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

(not that you couldn't have googled that yourself, just trying to be helpful)

I rarely ask questions I don't have the answer for... that's a good debating technique... my question was design to spur some conversation on this thread that you were just complaining was dead... so... don't kill the discussion... and thank you for your help.

430 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:48:18pm

re: #424 brookly red

not MY beer...

Oh yeah! Here, watch this!

431 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:48:35pm

Postmodernism Generator--a classic:

[Link: www.elsewhere.org...]

432 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:48:42pm

Is it 2012 yet?

433 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:49:26pm

re: #404 Fozzie Bear

The world we now live in is a postmodernist nightmare from which there can be no escape.

Discuss.


Nah we're beyond post-modern now. That's sooo 20th cen. It's neo-post modern or post-post modern now. Maybe we've even reached post-post-post modern by now.

434 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:50:30pm

re: #431 Decatur Deb

Postmodernism Generator--a classic:

[Link: www.elsewhere.org...]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You could probably plunk that down in a critical theory class and nobody would bat an eye.

435 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:50:36pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Is it 2012 yet?

Considering the political climate in this country right now... I wonder if I could claim political asylum in France?

436 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:50:43pm

Elifoxnews writes:

Just what this country needs in our dire economy, more people who bring nothing to contribute to this nation, they will eventually bite the hand that feed them. These are more soldiers who will join Farakan, Sharpton, and Jesse for the war against the white man who pays all their bills. Sad, God gave us a gift and we rejected it.

Yes, this is a man talking about small children adopted from a disaster zone.

The milk of human kindness, it fucking overfloweth.

437 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:50:49pm

re: #433 Jadespring
LOL.

438 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:52:06pm

re: #434 Fozzie Bear

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You could probably plunk that down in a critical theory class and nobody would bat an eye.

Similar fraudulent text was accepted by a reviewed journal. I'll try to dig up the case--it had a hyphenated-named author.

439 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:52:35pm

And Midwesternkid, who may be insane, writes:

The best way to help American kids is to provide them with a homogeneous society with sound, secure borders. Everything else will follow.

Ants have a 'homogenous society'. The United States of America has never had anything like that, and thank God for it.

440 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:04pm

re: #404 Fozzie Bear

The world we now live in is a postmodernist nightmare from which there can be no escape.

Discuss.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

If the left can find a way to reach these people instead of eviscerating them, they'll make an impact. I say that as a right of center individual that is fed up with the GOP and much of the conservative movement.

Right now (for the most part), disagreeing with the left means being labeled as an idiot, racist, etc. Is any surprise there is resentment to that labeling?

Consider this: The TP was responsible for the politicization of a large demographic of people who were heretofore unaffiliated. They showed up at health care town hall meetings and were excoriated for it. I for one would have liked to see real outreach to these very dedicated and loyal voter bloc.

Instead, they were labeled and their concerns were laughed at. It didn't matter that many of those concerns were not warranted- the fact remains that first and foremost they were dismissed.

That bloc of voters subscribe to the old adage, 'You dance with one who brung ya'. If the progressives don't reach out to them (without the apocalyptic metaphors), you are right to note what will happen in 2012. There needs to be respect for religion, conservative values, etc., in the liberal camp.

Politics isn't a zero sum game. At least it didn't used to be.

441 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:19pm

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Considering the political climate in this country right now... I wonder if I could claim political asylum in France?

Sounds like a plan. Although somewhere warm would be nice right about now. Freezing out there again. Oh heck, I'm broke anyway. Read before that the housing market is somewhere around depression levels.

442 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:29pm

re: #435 Walter L. Newton

Considering the political climate in this country right now... I wonder if I could claim political asylum in France?

/no, but the weather is very nice in Cuba...

443 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:30pm

So is the consensus that Sister Sarah stepped in it big time today? Or is any press good press?

Can you imagine her as the GOP designate for 2012?

444 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:43pm

Anyone know where I can stream Obama's address when it happens?

445 shai_au  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:53pm

On Loughner's "heroes", Examiner has the scoop:

Even more curious are Loughner's 'heroes.' He mentions by name Venezuelan Communist Hugo Chavez, Latin American Communist mass-murderer Che Guevara, American Socialist revolutionary Saul Alinsky, and even Barack Obama.

OMG, HE LIKES OBAMA.

Following that link, however, we see that the only mention of "Obama" is:

From facebook for a Jared Laughner from Tuscon, Arizona, the man named as the shooter. People who inspire him include Barack Obama, Saul Alinsky, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Huo Chavez, Noam Chomsky, Mao Tse-tung, Joseph Stalin, and Yassir Arafat. He writes “Fight the Right! Obama and the Progressives will overcome the tyrrany of big business and the racist Tea Party.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

That's it. A ludicriously over-the-top Facebook page for someone with a differently-spelled name, not corroborated by any screenshots, any proof whatsoever. Good enough for Examiner, though!

And now it has spread to the comments at - surprise! - Hot Air.

446 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:56pm

re: #417 Gus 802

How long you going to be gone?

That's God's work.

Go in peace.

447 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:53:59pm

One art professor in college summed up postmodernism nicely:

HIM: "It's what happens when you have a debate about a debate about a debate"
ME: "what's the original debate about"
HIM: "Thngs. And stuff. But mostly things."

448 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:54:42pm

Watched a movie the other day called "Cold Souls' with Paul Giamatti. Mostly clever little black comedy, there's some dead spots in it (pun intended), paced like most indies, and it sort of trails off at the end (almost like the budget ran out)... but worth a rental if you haven't seen it.

449 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:54:55pm

re: #432 Gus 802

Is it 2012 yet?

Maybe if we click our heels 3 times, it will come faster.

450 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:55:06pm

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

I'm still here until early Friday morning... then I go annoy the French.

Instead of us? :-) Enjoy the trip and bring us back some some decent Cognac.

451 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:55:25pm

Oh, holy shit. A poster writes:

Adopting charcoal briquettes assuages that guilt certain libby's feel.

I am closing the window now, because if I read any more I may explode.

452 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:55:26pm

re: #201 KingKenrod

Well, Kos is a pundit and he tweeted "Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin" within an hour of the shooting. I think the only thing we knew at that point about the shooting was that the shooter was white male and young.

I think that's a pretty direct accusation, but not particularly important.

OK - that's one.

453 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:55:50pm

re: #447 Fozzie Bear

One art professor in college summed up postmodernism nicely:

HIM: "It's what happens when you have a debate about a debate about a debate"
ME: "what's the original debate about"
HIM: "Thngs. And stuff. But mostly things."

I'd remember the name, but I'm losing my Foucault.

454 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:55:51pm

re: #443 Stanley Sea

So is the consensus that Sister Sarah stepped in it big time today? Or is any press good press?

Can you imagine her as the GOP designate for 2012?

Rorschach test* really: much of the right found her speech extremely presidential. Not so much in other quarters of course.

*Not to say there isn't a legitimate opinion on the matter of her speech.

455 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:56:27pm

re: #444 Alexzander

Anyone know where I can stream Obama's address when it happens?

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

456 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:56:35pm

re: #449 researchok

Maybe if we click our heels 3 times, it will come faster.

Put me in a coma until 2016. I tell ya, sleeping through this garbage would be nice.

457 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:56:50pm

An actually useful definition of postmodernism: skepticism towards meta-narratives.

458 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:57:09pm

re: #415 Walter L. Newton

I'm still here until early Friday morning... then I go annoy the French.

I replied to Gus in error. This message is for you

That's God's work.

Go in peace.

459 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:57:38pm

re: #441 Gus 802

Sounds like a plan. Although somewhere warm would be nice right about now. Freezing out there again. Oh heck, I'm broke anyway. Read before that the housing market is somewhere around depression levels.

It's 27 (f) right now up here... not really that bad... and warming up all week... looking at the long range forecasts in Paris, they've gotten back to about normal for this time of year... 40's in the day, 30's in the nights... a few weeks ago they were hovering in the teens and twenties some nights. That's chilly for Paris.

460 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:57:39pm

re: #455 wrenchwench

Thanks, I'm an idiot.

461 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:57:51pm

re: #456 Gus 802

Put me in a coma until 2016. I tell ya, sleeping through this garbage would be nice.

With a nice prime rib drip for sustenance.

Yeah, that'll work

462 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:58:04pm

re: #458 researchok

I replied to Gus in error. This message is for you

I was wondering what you meant. :) I up dinged ya anyway. Maybe I can start a trend for the evening. Up dinging for the heck of it! (cough)

463 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:58:24pm

re: #458 researchok

I replied to Gus in error. This message is for you

Hey... a "blessing" works for anyone... Gus included.

464 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:58:30pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, holy shit. A poster writes:

Adopting charcoal briquettes assuages that guilt certain libby's feel.

I am closing the window now, because if I read any more I may explode.

Yep. It's pretty bad. I didn't get that far.

465 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:58:55pm

re: #460 Alexzander

Thanks, I'm an idiot.

Well, you're a jerk for saying that about yourself.

:)

466 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:01pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, holy shit. A poster writes:

Adopting charcoal briquettes assuages that guilt certain libby's feel.

I am closing the window now, because if I read any more I may explode.

Let that be a lesson to you.

It's like coming in from the rain. Do I really need to tell you that?
/

467 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:18pm

re: #451 SanFranciscoZionist


sorry

468 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:21pm

re: #434 Fozzie Bear

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You could probably plunk that down in a critical theory class and nobody would bat an eye.

re: #438 Decatur Deb

Similar fraudulent text was accepted by a reviewed journal. I'll try to dig up the case--it had a hyphenated-named author.

I think this refers to the case--it was famous for a while.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

469 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:26pm

re: #461 researchok

With a nice prime rib drip for sustenance.

Yeah, that'll work

prime rib drip? that's a band, right?

470 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 4:59:49pm

re: #469 brookly red

prime rib drip? that's a band, right?

By next week it will be

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:05pm

It's funny how weird people get about adoption, though. I recall a conversation on another site, many years ago, where a woman was talking about taking in foster kids. A number of people praised for doing so.

A couple of people started bitching about how they were taking care of their OWN families, was that OK with us?

It was odd. It was as though they thought by saying, "Jane, that's great that you're giving foster kids a home," we were attacking anyone in the vicinity who hadn't personally done that.

472 MinisterO  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:25pm

I can't find any good reason to care about this. We all knew what was coming - the inevitable victim shtick, sprinkled with insincere regret and intentionally offensive to political enemies. Hell, it took someone 4 days to come up with the right mix. Boring.

473 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:38pm

re: #459 Walter L. Newton

It's 27 (f) right now up here... not really that bad... and warming up all week... looking at the long range forecasts in Paris, they've gotten back to about normal for this time of year... 40's in the day, 30's in the nights... a few weeks ago they were hovering in the teens and twenties some nights. That's chilly for Paris.

Correction... todays 10 day Paris weather actually show some days up into the low 50's. I can deal with that. We are going to be on the streets a lot, and humid and cool and windy in Paris can be a bit annoying.

474 sproingie  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:41pm

I think it gives Palin too much credit. I think she heard the word from some other right-winger and thought "Ooh that's a real smart sounding mavericky term, I think I'll say it and then people will see how smart I am too".

475 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:00:59pm

re: #463 Walter L. Newton

Hey... a "blessing" works for anyone... Gus included.

Especially for Gus.

So much is his fault.
//

476 researchok  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:05pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

It's funny how weird people get about adoption, though. I recall a conversation on another site, many years ago, where a woman was talking about taking in foster kids. A number of people praised for doing so.

A couple of people started bitching about how they were taking care of their OWN families, was that OK with us?

It was odd. It was as though they thought by saying, "Jane, that's great that you're giving foster kids a home," we were attacking anyone in the vicinity who hadn't personally done that.

People can be nuts.

Especially in groups.

Think TP

477 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:19pm

re: #436 SanFranciscoZionist

Whoever wrote that has a rotten soul.

Fuck him or her.

478 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:21pm

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

It just started (in a not very somber way).

479 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:22pm

Who was the guy they just hugged?

480 Alexzander  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:31pm

Woah - all of a sudden it sounded like a concert was going to begin. The video for Obama's speech started.

481 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:02:44pm

re: #448 Walter L. Newton

Watched a movie the other day called "Cold Souls' with Paul Giamatti. Mostly clever little black comedy, there's some dead spots in it (pun intended), paced like most indies, and it sort of trails off at the end (almost like the budget ran out)... but worth a rental if you haven't seen it.

You should rent "Kids Are Alright", Walter.

482 brookly red  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:03pm

re: #476 researchok

People can be nuts.

Especially in groups.

Think TP

but it's always the loner you gotta watch out for...

483 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:15pm

re: #479 Stanley Sea

Who was the guy they just hugged?

I was busy typing....

484 Gus  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:22pm

re: #479 Stanley Sea

Who was the guy they just hugged?

Bald guy?

485 spiderx  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:36pm

Sarah Palin is a radical and she should be described as such. Her politics are far out of the mainstream.

Todays right wing radicals have a lot in common with 60's leftist radicals. I think we are entering an era of right-wing extremism that will use violence just like 60's leftist radicals used violence.

criminologists say that poverty does not create crime, but that poverty helps create the conditions for crime to flourish. In that same sense Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and the Tea Party's rhetoric does not create violence. But it does create the conditions for political violence. We saw this with 60's leftist radicals.

486 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:03:56pm

re: #480 Alexzander

Woah - all of a sudden it sounded like a concert was going to begin. The video for Obama's speech started.

The music is "Fanfare for the Common Man"--Copeland

487 Jadespring  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:06:43pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

It's funny how weird people get about adoption, though. I recall a conversation on another site, many years ago, where a woman was talking about taking in foster kids. A number of people praised for doing so.

A couple of people started bitching about how they were taking care of their OWN families, was that OK with us?

It was odd. It was as though they thought by saying, "Jane, that's great that you're giving foster kids a home," we were attacking anyone in the vicinity who hadn't personally done that.

Some people just seem to have this weird mentality that everything is about them, or must be a comment about them. My sister was like that for a while. I'd say to my other sister, "Yes I really like pot roast." She'd say" Yes I think pot roast is yummy." The other Sis..." Well I don't like fricken pot roast and I don't like being made feel bad that I don't. F U and all your criticizing all the time'. That spoke to some deep self-esteem and self worth issues with her at least. She's sorta got over it but it still pops out at times.

488 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:07:32pm

re: #439 SanFranciscoZionist

And Midwesternkid, who may be insane, writes:

The best way to help American kids is to provide them with a homogeneous society with sound, secure borders. Everything else will follow.

Ants have a 'homogenous society'. The United States of America has never had anything like that, and thank God for it.

Actually, we do have a homogenous society. Anyone who has traveled much can tell you that wherever you find yourself in America, North or South, slum or mansionburg, whatever the language, you can almost instantly tell you're in America. And vice versa. There are real similarities among us, and real cultural differences between our own ways and the ways of others.

One of the biggest differences is that we are far more open to marriage across race, clan, caste, and class lines than most other peoples.

489 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:07:49pm

re: #484 Gus 802

Bald guy?

Bald guy is Mark Kelly, Giffords's husband.

490 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:08:32pm

re: #440 researchok

Actually, polls have shown that most people who identified as TPers were politically affiliated already. Most were already GOP voters, above average income and age, and socially conservative.

Do those sound like people who were unaffiliated or non-voters until March of 2009? They sound more like what most pollsters would consider "likely voters". Maybe they should not have been mocked and taken more seriously, but they weren't going to turn into Obama supporters or Democrats. They were an anti-Obama movement from the beginning.

491 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:10:21pm

re: #488 lostlakehiker

I don't think that's what the poster meant by homogeneous.

492 JRCMYP  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:11:22pm

Got Medieval has noted the wiki entry change on "blood libel" and gives a darkly humorous and broader understanding of the different historical libels against Jews.

Blood Libels and Otherwise Primer

493 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:13:35pm

re: #492 JRCMYP

I prefer that the historical integrity of the term is maintained. Otherwise, Palin "blood libeled" the president when she accused him of wanting "death panels" for the elderly and handicapped.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:17:11pm

The woman at my new online graduate program is driving me insane. I need to apply for a Stafford loan. It's like molasses. Last week she told me that she'd get back to me 'early this week'. Today I e-mailed her. She explains that I need a SAR. Have I got my SAR?

495 MinisterO  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:25:56pm

re: #490 moderatelyradicalliberal

Actually, polls have shown that most people who identified as TPers were politically affiliated already. Most were already GOP voters, above average income and age, and socially conservative.

I know a few. They were not previously apathetic about politics. Some of them called themselves Independents or Libertarians or even Democrats but they were all supporting Republicans for as long as I've known them.

496 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 5:48:52pm

re: #425 talon_262

To Skandal (a member of the LGF Class of 2004 with only 31 posts to their credit), the one person who downdinged me on this comment, I have to ask: what's your game?

497 steve  Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:13:39pm

It does not matter what Sarah Palin says. Someone, somewhere will find something offensive about it.

498 Elle Plater  Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:48:37am

This really annoys me how a term that has a globally historic meaning about appalling persecution of Jews over centuries can be bastardised and totally changed. And over some current and US only political episode.

Another word that has been bastardised is anti-Semite. A term coined specifically to mean hatred of Jews. Now so many are falling for the line ’Semites are arabs so how can they be anti-Semitic’ The beauty of this one is that once accepted you can’t ever accuse arabs of being anti-Semites even though Jew hatred is running rife.


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