It’s true! I’ve won a coveted spot on the 20 Most Annoying Liberals of 2010 list! This one goes on the mantle.
I hereby pledge that in order to move up the list from #17 (I know I’ll never make #1, which is permanently assigned to Barack Obama), I shall work even harder this year to annoy the living shit out of wingnut hack John Hawkins.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:45:22pm |
I had to google "John Hawkins" to find out who he is.
There are too many wingnuts to track.
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freetoken Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:46:18pm |
I have of course heard of "Right Wing News"... it's on my permanent list of idiots.
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:46:51pm |
John who?
/just another no-talent hack who thinks people give a fuck about him
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:52:49pm |
re: #4 talon_262
John who?
/just another no-talent hack who thinks people give a fuck about him
Loser screams and spews, Charles smiles and keeps on truckin'.
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:53:19pm |
Love the quote there about the Ground Zero mosque. They throw every Muslim in the world in league with the 9/11 hijackers, but God-Forbid that you insinuate they had anything to do with the attack on Saturday; You're just a evil liberal trying to smear everyone with the actions of a lone nut.
I swear to God, it's like watching a bad comedy.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:53:26pm |
Right Wing News, because Fox wasn't fucking obvious enough.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:54:25pm |
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:55:05pm |
Arizona massacre gunman Jared Loughner's downward spiral may have been touched off by a broken high school romance and fueled by drug use -- but it was not politically motivated, according to his best friend in high school.Zach Osler, in an interview Wednesday with ABC's "Good Morning America," said: "He did not watch TV.
[...]
Osler said he instead suspects that Loughner was motivated by a documentary called, "Zeitgeist: The Movie," which slams currency-based economics.
"I really think that this 'Zeitgeist' documentary had a profound impact upon Jared Loughner's mindset and how he viewed the world that he lives in," he said.
Does anyone know anything specific about this moive? All I've found is that Alex Jones was a big fan of the first movie of this series - not so much a fan of the following movie.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:55:42pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 12, 2011 9:56:31pm |
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:02:37pm |
re: #10 Talking Point Detective
Does anyone know anything specific about this moive? All I've found is that Alex Jones was a big fan of the first movie of this series - not so much a fan of the following movie.
Peter Joseph is an American non-commercial film director and activist. He wrote, directed, produced, scored the musical track for and narrated two non-commercial, self-produced and freely-distributed documentary films, Zeitgeist, the Movie in 2007 and its sequel, Zeitgeist: Addendum in 2008. He is also the founder of The Zeitgeist Movement. His third film Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is set to be released in January 2011.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:04:03pm |
A bittersweet day it has been, as the President and other assorted elected officials/Tuscon heros made wonderful speeches to the Nation that we all wish they would have never had the opportunity/reason to make, thanks to this madman and our polluted political dialog.
"Puddles in Heaven" made my day, but having Ludwig return also made me smile. :-)
Take care my scaly friends, and get some sleep!
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:04:14pm |
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:05:19pm |
re: #19 Talking Point Detective
Thanks.
Interesting that the producer of the film responds to the connection between his film and the AZ shooter by comparing himself to MLK.
Where's that?
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:06:15pm |
re: #19 Talking Point Detective
Thanks.
Interesting that the producer of the film responds to the connection between his film and the AZ shooter by comparing himself to MLK.
*headdesk*
We're just having a field day of stupidity in regards to people trying to point blame about the shooting.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:06:52pm |
re: #16 Gus 802
Next up on "Judicial Watch": Paul Joseph talks Judge Andrew about how those who who talk about the 9-year old girl killed in the Tucson rampage being born on 9/11 are preventing the truth about the government's attack on its own people being told.
/ I wish I was kidding.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:07:27pm |
re: #20 Gus 802
Where's that?
At the URL you posted, there's a link where he responds to the connection.
[Link: www.zeitgeistmovie.com...]
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:08:06pm |
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abolitionist Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:08:27pm |
re: #19 Talking Point Detective
Thanks.
Interesting that the producer of the film responds to the connection between his film and the AZ shooter by comparing himself to MLK.
I believe that was actually quotes by MLK.
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Lidane Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:10:51pm |
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:11:07pm |
re: #23 Talking Point Detective
At the URL you posted, there's a link where he responds to the connection.
[Link: www.zeitgeistmovie.com...]
Ah. I see. Another rambling lunatic. Well, I knew that. Here's the excerpt:
Generally speaking, it is historically accurate to say that the Mainstream Media simply isn't in the business of challenging the Status Quo. The limits of debate are firmly set. Virtually all ideas, persons or groups who have succeeded in changing the world for the better, later to be hailed as heros in the public mind, started out being condemned by those in the Mainstream Media who latch on to the dominant world view of the time. Even Martin Luther King Jr., a peaceful, loving, wonder of a man who contributed more to our social progress than likely any humanitarian in the US history, was followed by the CIA and publicly humiliated as a “Communist” which he even had to defend in front of a Congressional Committee. In fact, you can rest assured that if King were alive in the current paradigm today and seeking an equal form of justice - he would be given the name: “Terrorist”.
Another crazy cult.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:12:50pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:13:43pm |
Other articles from this same idiot...
Do You Think Obama Is Deliberately Trying To Destroy The US?
An Armed Society Is A Polite Society: Bringing Guns To Townhall Meetings
His scorn is a badge of honor.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:13:52pm |
re: #25 abolitionist
I believe that was actually quotes by MLK.
Virtually all ideas, persons or groups who
have succeeded in changing the world for the better, later to be hailed as
heros in the public mind, started out being condemned by those in the
Mainstream Media who latch on to the dominant world view of the time. Even
Martin Luther King Jr., a peaceful, loving, wonder of a man who contributed
more to our social progress than likely any humanitarian in the US history,
was followed by the CIA and publicly humiliated as a “Communist” which
he even had to defend in front of a Congressional Committee.
He then goes on to make a comment I agree with:
In fact, you
can rest assured that if King were alive in the current paradigm today and
seeking an equal form of justice - he would be given the name:
“Terrorist”.
But that doesn't diminish his earlier attempt to justify his special brand of craziness by saying that MLK, like he, was condemned by the "mainstream media."
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:14:13pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
I'm amazed he hasn't pulled the last one.
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Lidane Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:15:01pm |
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Lidane Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:15:35pm |
re: #31 Dante41
I'm amazed he hasn't pulled the last one.
And give in to the libruls and RINOs? Hardly. =P
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:17:06pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Other articles from this same idiot...
Do You Think Obama Is Deliberately Trying To Destroy The US?An Armed Society Is A Polite Society: Bringing Guns To Townhall Meetings
His scorn is a badge of honor.
Clearly, libertarian, gun-happy, anti-government vitriol had nothing to do with this shooter going over the edge.
It's just a coincidence that his former best friend said that libertarian, gun-happy, anti-government vitriol sent him over the edge. There is no actual connection.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:23pm |
re: #30 Talking Point Detective
He then goes on to make a comment I agree with:
But that doesn't diminish his earlier attempt to justify his special brand of craziness by saying that MLK, like he, was condemned by the "mainstream media."
"Part II", entitled All the World's a Stage, uses integral footage of several 9/11 conspiracy theory films to claim that the September 11 attacks were either orchestrated or allowed to happen by elements within the United States government in order to generate mass fear, initiate and justify the War on Terror, provide a pretext for the curtailment of civil liberties, and produce economic gain. These claims include that the US government had advance knowledge about the attacks, the response of the military deliberately let the planes reach their targets, and the World Trade Center buildings 1, 2, and 7 underwent a controlled demolition.
In a March 17, 2009 New York Times article, Alan Feuer reported that Peter Joseph had indicated that he had "moved away from" his opinion on whether the September 11 attacks were an inside job perpetrated by the U.S. government. Peter Joseph later stated that his stance on 9/11 had not changed.
[...]
Chris Forbes, Senior lecturer in Ancient History of Macquarie University and member of the Synod of the Diocese of Sydney, severely criticized Part I of the movie, asserting that it has no basis in serious scholarship or ancient sources, and that it relies on amateur sources that recycle frivolous ideas from one another, rather than serious academic sources, commenting, "It is extraordinary how many claims it makes which are simply not true."
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:19:28pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Where do you see authorship attributed in those links?
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:20:49pm |
re: #36 Talking Point Detective
Where do you see authorship attributed in those links?
Bottom right within the box. To the right of the Twitter and Facebook icons. Plus the avatar is his portrait.
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:20:49pm |
re: #36 Talking Point Detective
His picture is at the top, and his name is at the bottom.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:21:03pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
Sorry - I got my idiots confused.
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abolitionist Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:21:40pm |
re: #30 Talking Point Detective
Sorry, I was commenting about the soundtrack, 0:45 into the video. That was MLK, I believe. I only found the text commentary about Tucson with the MLK references afterward.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:23:43pm |
re: #40 Dante41
In the words of /tg/, Hivemind...
Just think of all the lunatics that are being spawned as we type. The internet if a beehive of insanity, charlatans, half baked ideas, cults, ideologies, etc.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:37pm |
re: #24 Dante41
There are no words.
Seriously.
I want to point out that my #22 should not be taken as something that will really happen. It was a satire aimed at the contempt that both Andrew Napolitano and Paul Joseph show for the truth with their clinging to an idiotic conspiracy theory, as well as the the lengths I think they'd go to to avoid having to face the facts.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:26:44pm |
re: #43 Dante41
Duh. I mean, I openly said I peruse 4chan.
Ah. "Traditional games". I had to look that up.
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:29:56pm |
re: #44 Dark_Falcon
My good man, I have had contact with too many troofers. What you said fits perfectly with what they like to prattle on about.
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:34:17pm |
re: #45 Gus 802
Ah. "Traditional games". I had to look that up.
As astounding as it may seem, they are both the sanest and the most productive of all of the boards. As long as you don't try to start a D&D edition war, you'll be cool with them.
Hell, at least two published authors post there. Scott Lynch and Aaron Dembski-Bowden
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:36:44pm |
re: #48 Dante41
As astounding as it may seem, they are both the sanest and the most productive of all of the boards. As long as you don't try to start a D&D edition war, you'll be cool with them.
Hell, at least two published authors post there. Scott Lynch and Aaron Dembski-Bowden
I keep promising myself to start up the flight sim again. I used to be a flight sim nut. Not really gaming per se but similar I suppose.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:38:32pm |
Hey all!
I got got the chance to watch the President's speech on the whitehouse.com.
I missed the thread, but have to comment, sorry.
I thought it was VERY WELL done.
And, I really didn't mind his heavy use of scripture. Which is strange for me.
How are you-all this evening?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:40:16pm |
re: #50 ggt
Hey all!
I got got the chance to watch the President's speech on the whitehouse.com.
I missed the thread, but have to comment, sorry.
I thought it was VERY WELL done.
And, I really didn't mind his heavy use of scripture. Which is strange for me.
How are you-all this evening?
I'm good. Good day at work, but tomorrow is expected to be better. I've got worries, but I do expect to get past them.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:41:45pm |
re: #50 ggt
Hey all!
I got got the chance to watch the President's speech on the whitehouse.com.
I missed the thread, but have to comment, sorry.
I thought it was VERY WELL done.
And, I really didn't mind his heavy use of scripture. Which is strange for me.
How are you-all this evening?
Pensive with an underlying feeling of doom and melancholy. ;)
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palomino Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:42:51pm |
Congrats, Charles!
But to me you're one of the 17 Least Annoying "Liberals".
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:43:31pm |
re: #49 Gus 802
I keep promising myself to start up the flight sim again. I used to be a flight sim nut. Not really gaming per se but similar I suppose.
Eh, Traditional Games mean tabletop stuff. Playing around with a flight sim is gaming, just a different sort.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:44:56pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
Pensive with an underlying feeling of doom and melancholy. ;)
I understand your feeling. I just keep remembering that we are in A Brave New World and any concepts I held in stone are, well, not necessarily in stone anymore, never really were.
The young un's aren't all that bad, may suprise us with what they do with this world.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:45:10pm |
re: #55 Dante41
Eh, Traditional Games mean tabletop stuff. Playing around with a flight sim is gaming, just a different sort.
Oh. See, always with computers on my mind. I've done the Monopoly thing, checkers and up to chess. Never took it very seriously.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:45:19pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
I'm good. Good day at work, but tomorrow is expected to be better. I've got worries, but I do expect to get past them.
You'll pull thru, you always do!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:45:48pm |
Oh and remember,
there is always chocolate!
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:46:46pm |
re: #57 Gus 802
Oh. See, always with computers on my mind. I've done the Monopoly thing, checkers and up to chess. Never took it very seriously.
Heh. They go a bit more nerdy than that...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:47:31pm |
re: #60 Dante41
Heh. They go a bit more nerdy than that...
You want nerdy?
The only game I play on the computer is Scrabble.
:0
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:48:42pm |
re: #61 ggt
You want nerdy?
The only game I play on the computer is Scrabble.
:0
Solitaire is open here.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:49:31pm |
re: #55 Dante41
Eh, Traditional Games mean tabletop stuff. Playing around with a flight sim is gaming, just a different sort.
What kind of table we talking about?
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:50:20pm |
re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Picture don't work, dude.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:50:54pm |
re: #63 Gus 802
Solitaire is open here.
teehee
Where my Mom lives, they have about 5 computers (wi-fi and everything) for the residents to use. Every time I walk by, they are all playing solitaire.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:52:05pm |
re: #55 Dante41
Eh, Traditional Games mean tabletop stuff. Playing around with a flight sim is gaming, just a different sort.
Well, I mostly play Battletech, which is too complex to be a traditional. When I play traditional games, chess is still a firm favorite.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:52:13pm |
re: #67 ggt
teehee
Where my Mom lives, they have about 5 computers (wi-fi and everything) for the residents to use. Every time I walk by, they are all playing solitaire.
See. All they really need is a 9 volt hand held solitaire game.
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Kragar Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:53:54pm |
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Dante41 Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:55:59pm |
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:58:14pm |
At least he used innocuous language like "annoying" for his awards.
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Funky_Gibbon Wed, Jan 12, 2011 10:58:19pm |
Bugger, I knew I'd get that wrong first time....
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:00:54pm |
re: #73 Amory Blaine
At least he used innocuous language like "annoying" for his awards.
Hey but I thought that Little Green Footballs was "insignificant"?
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Amory Blaine Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:01:15pm |
re: #73 Amory Blaine
At least he used innocuous language like "annoying" for his awards.
Sorry. The quotes should be over "awards"
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Kragar Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:03:29pm |
re: #75 Gus 802
Hey but I thought that Little Green Footballs was "insignificant"?
"YOU ARE NOTHING AND TO PROVE IT, WE WILL OBSESS ABOUT IT AT LENGTH!"
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:05:15pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:09:49pm |
I'm not tired, but I should be.
I hate when that happens.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:11:24pm |
Trying to think (no comments please) what we can do to help Charles annoy the whacko, John whatever. We do what to see that he get's to the #2 spot.
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:16:11pm |
re: #84 ggt
Trying to think (no comments please) what we can do to help Charles annoy the whacko, John whatever. We do what to see that he get's to the #2 spot.
Tweet more?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:18:17pm |
Cooler than it sounds....
Two Men
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Gus Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:24:08pm |
re: #86 Killgore Trout
Cooler than it sounds...
Two Men[Video]
Based on Kafka for the snobs who might not otherwise be interested.
/Namaste, y'all
When you go walking by night up a street and a man, visible a long way off--for the street mounts uphill and there is a full moon--comes running toward you, well, you don't catch hold of him, not even if he is a feeble and ragged creature, not even if someone chases yelling at his heels, but you let him run on.
For it is night, and you can't help it if the street goes uphill before yo in the moonlight, and besides, these two have maybe started that chase to amuse themselves, or perhaps they are both chasing a third, perhaps the first is an innocent man and the second wants to murder him and you would become an accessory, perhaps they don't know anything about each other and are merely running seperately home to bed, perhaps they are night birds, perhaps the first man is armed.
And anyhow, haven't you a right to be tired, haven't you been drinking a lot of wine? You're thankful that the second man is now long out of sight.
Translated by Willa and Edwin Muir
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jan 12, 2011 11:27:53pm |
You just bloody never know . .
Have a great evening/morning all!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:04:07am |
Reposting this from the other thread, because this horrendous ugliness needs exposure:
What a nasty, partisan hack bitch:
Once again Urkel has found his props--a bunch of murdered people.
Everyone involved in this obscene debacle should hang their heads in shame
This entire event was an abomination, a disgrace. The exploitation of *everyone* was obscene.
A reminder what this disgusting creature had to say about Sarah Palin's "blood libel" speech just hours earlier:
With courage & grace, @SarahPalinUSA provides the dignified leadership missing for far too long. Thank you Governor.
Unbelievable.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:06:24am |
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mdey Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:08:48am |
How old is this John Hawkins kid? He looks about 12.
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freetoken Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:25:43am |
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freetoken Thu, Jan 13, 2011 12:51:09am |
A piece by the not oft heard Girolamo Frescobaldi:
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Timmeh Thu, Jan 13, 2011 1:23:19am |
Interesting that the "defining quote" isn't even a quote by you. It's a quote by Pam Geller about you.
I guess that makes you even more annoying! They can't find any quote mockable enough to use.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jan 13, 2011 3:17:20am |
Good Morning Lizards!
More wisdom from one of our ex-vice presidents.
"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
Dan Quayle
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 3:23:01am |
I've never heard of John Hawkins.
Stupid people are stupid.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 3:32:30am |
re: #108 Timmeh
Interesting that the "defining quote" isn't even a quote by you. It's a quote by Pam Geller about you.
I guess that makes you even more annoying! They can't find any quote mockable enough to use.
Doesn't look as if it's a hard fast rule by Dawkins that the "defining quote" is one taken from the person in question. There are several others (besides Charles') that aren't
And no, thats NOT a defense of Hawkins , its an observation.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 3:36:59am |
Now this is funny (imho)
Nothing pisses of a detractor more than not taking the bait!!
New York Jets defensive back Antonio Cromartie calls New England Patriots Quarterback Tom Brady an asshole, and that Cromatie "hates" Brady
Bradys reponse,,,,
Brady said Patriots coach Bill Belichick and offensive play-caller Bill O’Brien have both called him the A-word on multiple occasions and they like him, so he theorized that perhaps Cromartie likes him as well.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:01:58am |
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jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:04:46am |
re: #115 Obdicut
Yes, I am. What's up?
I was reading back and I saw that you said you were going to get into politics. :) You still thinking about it?
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:08:42am |
re: #116 jadespring
Yep. It's a decided thing. I just have to figure out what I'm going to do. Probably find a good local city council member and volunteer for them.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:11:34am |
re: #117 Obdicut
Yep. It's a decided thing. I just have to figure out what I'm going to do. Probably find a good local city council member and volunteer for them.
Step 1 - Volunteer for a local campaign.
Step 2 - Work for a local council member.
Step 3 - Get an elected position yourself.
Step 4 - ????
Step 5 - Ruler of the Known Universe.
Simple.
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jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:12:24am |
re: #117 Obdicut
Yep. It's a decided thing. I just have to figure out what I'm going to do. Probably find a good local city council member and volunteer for them.
Cool. That's a great way to start.
Would you mind if I offered some advice? I've been there and done that. Ran for office a few couple of times including at our Federal level. I'm still involved in things 'political' but from a different angle.
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jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:14:40am |
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Tigger2005 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:14:51am |
re: #118 Varek Raith
Step 1 - Volunteer for a local campaign.
Step 2 - Work for a local council member.
Step 3 - Get an elected position yourself.
Step 4 - ???
Step 5 - Ruler of the Known Universe.Simple.
Insert the novel "Dune" in Step 4.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:15:30am |
re: #118 Varek Raith
I'm not sure I ever even wan to run for anything. I probably more want to find good people and work to support them.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:16:36am |
re: #118 Varek Raith
Step 1 - Volunteer for a local campaign.
Step 2 - Work for a local council member.
Step 3 - Get an elected position yourself.
Step 4 - ???
Step 5 - Ruler of the Known Universe.Simple.
You forgot PRE Step 1
Payoffs ,,, LOTS and LOTS of payoffs,,, (unmarked non-consecutive numbered small denomination bills in plain envelopes!!)
// (I wish)
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Tigger2005 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:17:07am |
re: #124 sattv4u2
You forgot PRE Step 1
Payoffs ,,, LOTS and LOTS of payoffs,,, (unmarked non-consecutive numbered small denomination bills in plain envelopes!!)
// (I wish)
Compromising photographs help, also.
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Jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:19:15am |
Hmm.. the mail thing doesn't seem to be working for me. I put in the code and it just does to a blank screen. What am I doing wrong? Hmmm
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Jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:25:59am |
re: #123 Obdicut
I'm not sure I ever even wan to run for anything. I probably more want to find good people and work to support them.
That's what I did. I was involved for a while in a support capacity and then was asked to run . I never, ever, ever thought I'd do the 'frontman/woman' thing but it ended up happening. I sometimes still don't believe that I actually did it. It ended up that I had to make a choice, to keep going in that direction or not. Did a lot of soul searching because by then I really had a good handle on what it meant and what it would be like. I decided that it, it really wasn't for me. Being a 'public' face changes your life, both positively and negatively. For me the negative outweighed the positive so I chose to not keep going.
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Jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:27:48am |
re: #128 Obdicut
Email itsgottenweirdenough@gmail.com
Okay thanks.
Before I go off writing. Do you have any experience at all with on the ground politics at any sort of level?
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:29:21am |
re: #130 Jadespring
Not really. I volunteered on a mayoral campaign in SF, but that was just phonebanking and door-knocking for a couple of weeks.
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Jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:32:20am |
re: #131 Obdicut
Not really. I volunteered on a mayoral campaign in SF, but that was just phonebanking and door-knocking for a couple of weeks.
Okay.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:50:21am |
re: #132 eneri
Congratulations!!!
Thanks
I'd like to thank all the little people that helped me along the way ,,,,,,
//
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mr.fusion Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:50:38am |
So....I'm a fairly new Lizard here, but I've got to say it's kind of surprising to see CJ listed as a "liberal."
This pretty much proves my point. Unless you hate Barack Obama with every fiber of your being........you must be a liberal.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:53:41am |
re: #135 mr.fusion
"Liberal" and "conservative" are meaning-free terms outside of context. In the US, they almost entirely map to "Supports the Democrats" or "Supports the GOP". That is becoming less true, as the GOP heads into total insanity.
There's so many different areas, too: social conservatives are a totally different thing from law-and-order conservatives.
It's all a rich tapestry.
With blood on it.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:54:43am |
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 4:57:34am |
re: #137 sattv4u2
Yeah, jokes about blood libel really aren't going to get a laugh out of me. I'm fairly certain Palin's bastardization of it and the support she's getting from so many of the right for using the term so wildly inappropriately is going to permanently corrupt the definition, and another importance piece of Jewish history is going to pass out of the realm of common knowledge.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:08:02am |
re: #135 mr.fusion
I'm sure that fringies on either side of the political spectrum dislike CJ. I kind of hope that they dislike me, too.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:09:11am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, I think you're just peachy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:10:53am |
re: #114 sattv4u2
Last game was 45-3. Wonder why they dislike Brady?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:13:07am |
re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Last game was 45-3. Wonder why they dislike Brady?
Yeah ,, but I LOVED his response!
basically,,,, "He called me an a**hole ,,, my bosses call me an a**hole all the time and they love me ,, hence, he must love me!!"
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:14:22am |
Tucson mass shooting suspect Jared Loughner's recent history of instability — including five disruptions at his community college and bizarre rants on YouTube videos — probably would have been sufficient to commit him to a psychiatric facility, even against his will, experts said.
one person, backed by two witnesses is all it takes in AZ
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:15:20am |
re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm sure that fringies on either side of the political spectrum dislike CJ. I kind of hope that they dislike me, too.
Well, if it's any consolation, if "they" don't, I sure do!
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:16:15am |
re: #138 Obdicut
Yeah, jokes about blood libel really aren't going to get a laugh out of me. I'm fairly certain Palin's bastardization of it and the support she's getting from so many of the right for using the term so wildly inappropriately is going to permanently corrupt the definition, and another importance piece of Jewish history is going to pass out of the realm of common knowledge.
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think all this gnashing of teeth over Palin using the term "Blood Libel" is an Outrageous Outrage. (OMG OMG OMG did Alouette just say that?)
There hasn't been an actual "Blood Libel" in 100 years, since the Tsarist trial of Mendel Beilis. Sure, the Arab media is full of blood libels, but they're also full of other "Zionist plots" like trained sharks and spy vultures.
If Palin had said, "Obama is making a Holocaust on the conservatives" that's the signal for outrage.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:17:23am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:17:56am |
re: #147 sattv4u2
like trained sharks and spy vultures
Don't forget the laser beams on their heads!
And fucking magnets!
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:18:13am |
re: #146 Alouette
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think all this gnashing of teeth over Palin using the term "Blood Libel" is an Outrageous Outrage. (OMG OMG OMG did Alouette just say that?)
There hasn't been an actual "Blood Libel" in 100 years, since the Tsarist trial of Mendel Beilis. Sure, the Arab media is full of blood libels, but they're also full of other "Zionist plots" like trained sharks and spy vultures.
If Palin had said, "Obama is making a Holocaust on the conservatives" that's the signal for outrage.
I believe Sergey posted information on blood libels that have been popping up in the former Soviet Union post collapse, but you'll need to review his post history to find it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:18:33am |
re: #146 Alouette
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think all this gnashing of teeth over Palin using the term "Blood Libel" is an Outrageous Outrage. (OMG OMG OMG did Alouette just say that?)
There hasn't been an actual "Blood Libel" in 100 years, since the Tsarist trial of Mendel Beilis. Sure, the Arab media is full of blood libels, but they're also full of other "Zionist plots" like trained sharks and spy vultures.
If Palin had said, "Obama is making a Holocaust on the conservatives" that's the signal for outrage.
Give her time. She is that self absorbed.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:19:00am |
re: #148 Alouette
And fucking magnets!
Hmm,,, I've never tried it with magnets !!
wait , WHAT !?!?!?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:20:58am |
re: #146 Alouette
I hear you, but I disagree. I tend to take anything got many of our ancestors murdered very grimly. Of course, I don't joke about slavery or institutional rape either.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:21:37am |
re: #149 McSpiff
I believe Sergey posted information on blood libels that have been popping up in the former Soviet Union post collapse, but you'll need to review his post history to find it.
Yes, I have seen that information. Sergey has posted that the "Jewish" anti-Semite known as Israel Shamir has been very active in reviving the Blood Libel. I think the Hasidic group of which I am a member is supposed to be deeply involved in this seekrit ritual.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:21:52am |
re: #144 albusteve
Tucson mass shooting suspect Jared Loughner's recent history of instability — including five disruptions at his community college and bizarre rants on YouTube videos — probably would have been sufficient to commit him to a psychiatric facility, even against his will, experts said.
one person, backed by two witnesses is all it takes in AZ
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
It's really not quite that easy to get a mentally ill person in for treatment.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:22:08am |
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:22:54am |
re: #146 Alouette
I'm going out on a limb here, but I think all this gnashing of teeth over Palin using the term "Blood Libel" is an Outrageous Outrage. (OMG OMG OMG did Alouette just say that?)
There hasn't been an actual "Blood Libel" in 100 years, since the Tsarist trial of Mendel Beilis. Sure, the Arab media is full of blood libels, but they're also full of other "Zionist plots" like trained sharks and spy vultures.
If Palin had said, "Obama is making a Holocaust on the conservatives" that's the signal for outrage.
I certainly agree there are worse analogies she could have used, but I think it was still a ridiculous and wildly inapropriate comparison to use the term blood libel. Her whole "I'm the martyr" schtick is wearing kinda thin.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:23:22am |
re: #152 LudwigVanQuixote
I hear you, but I disagree. I tend to take anything got many of our ancestors murdered very grimly. Of course, I don't joke about slavery or institutional rape either.
What about Host torture? (a variation on the Blood Libel was that Jews would steal sanctified communion wafers and then perform unspeakable atrocities upon them)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:24:45am |
Lightening this up as it's way too early, imho
Okay ,, my body clock schedule is now WAY Frakked up
Been at work since 7 p.m. Monday night (driving conditions in Atlanta still suck from the Sundays snowstorm). What usually takes a 1:15 hour drive took just over 3 hours monday late afternoon, and the roads are worse early evening till mid-morning from the freezing
SO ,,,, (my body clock schedule is now WAY Frakked up) for breakfast I just had a breakfast burritto followed about 30 minutes later by 2 chocolate pudding cups followed about 30 minutes later by a frozen min-pizza!
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:24:56am |
re: #156 rwdflynavy
I certainly agree there are worse analogies she could have used, but I think it was still a ridiculous and wildly inapropriate comparison to use the term blood libel. Her whole "I'm the martyr" schtick is wearing kinda thin.
The babblings of Sarah are a matter of profound indifference to me.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:26:01am |
Morning Lizardim. It's been a while since I stopped by. I haven't fallen off the face of the earth, not for lack of trying. I've been kept busy at work and doubly so at home with the soon-to-be-coming fish spawn.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:26:25am |
re: #158 sattv4u2
Lightening this up as it's way too early, imho
Okay ,, my body clock schedule is now WAY Frakked up
Been at work since 7 p.m. Monday night (driving conditions in Atlanta still suck from the Sundays snowstorm). What usually takes a 1:15 hour drive took just over 3 hours monday late afternoon, and the roads are worse early evening till mid-morning from the freezing
SO ,,, (my body clock schedule is now WAY Frakked up) for breakfast I just had a breakfast burritto followed about 30 minutes later by 2 chocolate pudding cups followed about 30 minutes later by a frozen min-pizza!
All of this can now be worked out if you drink a pint of Southern Comfort. Enjoy.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:26:37am |
re: #154 reine.de.tout
It's really not quite that easy to get a mentally ill person in for treatment.
yes, here's a bit more
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:26:45am |
re: #160 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizardim. It's been a while since I stopped by. I haven't fallen off the face of the earth, not for lack of trying. I've been kept busy at work and doubly so at home with the soon-to-be-coming fish spawn.
Congrats ,, whens the blessed due date?
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:26:53am |
re: #153 Alouette
Yes, I have seen that information. Sergey has posted that the "Jewish" anti-Semite known as Israel Shamir has been very active in reviving the Blood Libel. I think the Hasidic group of which I am a member is supposed to be deeply involved in this seekrit ritual.
I think being able to say "this is an attempt to revive Blood Libel" and have everyone understand what that word means in terms of Jewish persecution is much more powerful and important than saying that and having it mean "they said something mean and untrue".
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:27:21am |
re: #163 sattv4u2
Congrats ,, whens the blessed due date?
April sometime. The Mrs. Fish isn't being exactly specific with me.
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:27:42am |
re: #161 Walter L. Newton
All of this can now be worked out if you drink a pint of Southern Comfort. Enjoy.
But really, what problem can't a pint of SoCo solve?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:28:40am |
re: #157 Alouette
What about Host torture? (a variation on the Blood Libel was that Jews would steal sanctified communion wafers and then perform unspeakable atrocities upon them)
OK you have me there sort of. It does sound so goofy to modern ears, that it invokes a smile. Then I think of all the other pogroms that came from it.
But you've made a point about anti-semitism that I think we can both agree on.
Pointing out the outrageous goofiness of it can be a very useful thing. Such a wonderful historical example of insanity can be used to shed light on the complete nonsense of the whole enterprise.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:29:37am |
re: #161 Walter L. Newton
All of this can now be worked out if you drink a pint of Southern Comfort. Enjoy.
Try as I might ,, they kinda frown on that type of beverage of choice here !
(not that we haven;t in the past had co-workers that , ummm,,,didn't abide by the "frown"ing)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:29:39am |
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:30:38am |
re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote
OK you have me there sort of. It does sound so goofy to modern ears, that it invokes a smile. Then I think of all the other pogroms that came from it.
But you've made a point about anti-semitism that I think we can both agree on.
Pointing out the outrageous goofiness of it can be a very useful thing. Such a wonderful historical example of insanity can be used to shed light on the complete nonsense of the whole enterprise.
Pretty much everything from the middle ages can sound pretty goofy. Leeches and Bleedings? Hell, even "tar and feathering" has been used to great comical effect.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:31:37am |
re: #170 McSpiff
even "tar and feathering" has been used to great comical effect.
Except to the tar and featherEE!
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:32:06am |
re: #168 sattv4u2
Try as I might ,, they kinda frown on that type of beverage of choice here !
(not that we haven;t in the past had co-workers that , ummm,,,didn't abide by the "frown"ing)
Oh... I'm sorry... for what ever reason, I read your travails and assumed that you just got home, not just got to work. My mistake. In that case, Kaluha in your coffee... gin or vodka in your water bottle... run in you can of coke...?
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:33:53am |
re: #172 Walter L. Newton
Oh... I'm sorry... for what ever reason, I read your travails and assumed that you just got home, not just got to work. My mistake. In that case, Kaluha in your coffee... gin or vodka in your water bottle... run in you can of coke...?
Don't listen to Walter, you do not want the runs in your can of Coke... let me tell you...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:34:35am |
re: #173 McSpiff
Don't listen to Walter, you do not want the runs in your can of Coke... let me tell you...
Get out of my head, you.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:34:44am |
re: #173 McSpiff
Don't listen to Walter, you do not want the runs in your can of Coke... let me tell you...
Rum... rum... rum... red rum..
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:35:17am |
re: #172 Walter L. Newton
Oh... I'm sorry... for what ever reason, I read your travails and assumed that you just got home, not just got to work. My mistake. In that case, Kaluha in your coffee... gin or vodka in your water bottle... run in you can of coke...?
Nope ,, arrived at 7 p.m. Monday night
8:30 a.m. (here) Thursday morning ,, YOU do the math
(debating on staying agian today/tonight as "my" shift doesn't end till 10 this morning and I'm scheduled back at 10 tonght,,, if it's going to take me 3 hours to get home and 3 hours to get back at the risk of someone spinning into me on the highway ,, 6 total hours of travel for a mere 6 hours at home,,, Idunno!!)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:35:44am |
re: #173 McSpiff
Don't listen to Walter, you do not want the runs in your can of Coke... let me tell you...
Any port in the (shit)storm!
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charlz Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:36:45am |
Charles is more annoying than Joe Biden and Andrew Sullivan, but less annoying than Meghan McCain and Helen Thomas? Should be pretty easy to jump up several places next year!
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:36:56am |
re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote
OK you have me there sort of. It does sound so goofy to modern ears, that it invokes a smile. Then I think of all the other pogroms that came from it.
But you've made a point about anti-semitism that I think we can both agree on.
Pointing out the outrageous goofiness of it can be a very useful thing. Such a wonderful historical example of insanity can be used to shed light on the complete nonsense of the whole enterprise.
Oh, and the "Hep! Hep!" pogroms. The exclamation "Hip Hip Hurray!" supposedly has its origins in that. Are we supposed to get all outrageously outraged over "Hip Hip Hurray!" Should Black people froth every time someone says "picnic" (although the alleged racist origins of "picnic" seem to be a myth, the word actually has a much more benign etymology)
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:38:53am |
Something to keep in mind: no matter how goofy or idiotic a "Blood Libel" may seem to normal people, you can always find some commenter in Yahoo! news articles who believes it.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:40:01am |
re: #176 sattv4u2
Nope ,, arrived at 7 p.m. Monday night
8:30 a.m. (here) Thursday morning ,, YOU do the math
(debating on staying agian today/tonight as "my" shift doesn't end till 10 this morning and I'm scheduled back at 10 tonght,,, if it's going to take me 3 hours to get home and 3 hours to get back at the risk of someone spinning into me on the highway ,, 6 total hours of travel for a mere 6 hours at home,,, Idunno!!)
Around here... with a situation like that... when the roads are almost impassable... we stay or make some arrangements to stay somewhere close by... a friend, a hotel...
I remember 4 years ago, I was on a 6 month contract at a big medical software company, and they were predicting 3-4 foot of snow north of Denver (I was working in Lewisville)... I made arrangements to stay at a hotel in the business park... I came in the next day... I was one of about 12 employees out of 200 people working there that came in.
I did that because that day was the last day on contract and I wanted them to remember what I did. Figured that was good for business.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:40:12am |
Next on the 11 o'clock news;
Sarah Palin claims she's being crucified over her recent blood libel remark.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:41:36am |
re: #180 Alouette
Something to keep in mind: no matter how goofy or idiotic a "Blood Libel" may seem to normal people, you can always find some commenter in Yahoo! news articles who believes it.
Which is another reason why some self serving crank like Sarah should have no right to the phrase in the way she used it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:42:50am |
re: #181 Walter L. Newton
Undoubtedly wiser than what the crazy Scandinavians do up here. While everyone else is finding a hole to crawl in to weather the storm (either at home or near their work), we're out in the thick of it.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:44:41am |
re: #181 Walter L. Newton
Around here... with a situation like that... when the roads are almost impassable... we stay or make some arrangements to stay somewhere close by... a friend, a hotel...
I remember 4 years ago, I was on a 6 month contract at a big medical software company, and they were predicting 3-4 foot of snow north of Denver (I was working in Lewisville)... I made arrangements to stay at a hotel in the business park... I came in the next day... I was one of about 12 employees out of 200 people working there that came in.
I did that because that day was the last day on contract and I wanted them to remember what I did. Figured that was good for business.
Yeah ,, you know where our Denver place is (Englewood). Theres a hotel right there. Two of the operators have been stranded at the teleport when the others can't get there and they trade off being at work and staying in the hotel
Here, we have everything we need except a shower, even a place to sleep. Theres a grocery store across the road from our entrance so it's livable
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:46:25am |
re: #184 thedopefishlives
Undoubtedly wiser than what the crazy Scandinavians do up here. While everyone else is finding a hole to crawl in to weather the storm (either at home or near their work), we're out in the thick of it.
Drill a hole in the ice
get a piece of twine
bend a paperclip
attach said clip to twine
put some type of foodstuff at the end of said hook
FISH!
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:46:42am |
THE big news of the day is Julian Assange's book deal. The Wikileaks founder has secured more than $1m in advances for his autobiography from Alfred A. Knopf, a New York publisher, and Canongate based in Britain
I did not know this....can a movie be far behind?
[Link: www.economist.com...]
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:47:30am |
re: #146 Alouette
There hasn't been an actual "Blood Libel" in 100 years, since the Tsarist trial of Mendel Beilis.
.
The Russians are actually currently still using the blood libel, I'm afraid.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:49:41am |
re: #186 sattv4u2
Drill a hole in the ice
get a piece of twine
bend a paperclip
attach said clip to twine
put some type of foodstuff at the end of said hookFISH!
You should see the icehouses some of these guys have. They spend almost as much on them as they do on their boats.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:50:25am |
re: #189 thedopefishlives
And then, of course, every year there's the news stories about some idiot who was out on the lake too late and lost his icehouse and/or truck to the rapidly melting ice.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:50:29am |
re: #184 thedopefishlives
Undoubtedly wiser than what the crazy Scandinavians do up here. While everyone else is finding a hole to crawl in to weather the storm (either at home or near their work), we're out in the thick of it.
If you are talking Minnesota, I know what you mean. I've stayed on Minnetonka for two weeks in Feb. for business once, back in the 80's.
But that area is not much different than northern New Jersey where I spent 10 winters.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:51:11am |
re: #189 thedopefishlives
You should see the icehouses some of these guys have. They spend almost as much on them as they do on their boats.
I know ,,,, I've seen them in northern New Hampshire,,, they drive right out on the lake and spend several days in their "houses"
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:51:27am |
re: #162 albusteve
yes, here's a bit more
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
From the article at your link:
The motivation for such killings is usually based on psychotic thinking, not political thinking. Dennis Sweeney killed Allard Lowenstein because he believed that Lowenstein had implanted a transmitter in his teeth that was sending messages to him. Russell Weston stormed the Capitol because he believed the government had hidden a machine there that could reverse time.The solution to this situation is obvious—make sure individuals with serious mental illnesses are receiving treatment. The mistake was not in emptying the nation's hospitals but rather in ignoring the treatment needs of the patients being released. Many such patients will take medication voluntarily if it is made available to them. Others are unaware they are sick and should be required by law to receive assisted outpatient treatment, including medication and counseling, as is the case in New York under Kendra's Law. If they do not comply with the court-ordered treatment plan, they can and should be involuntarily admitted to a hospital. Arizona has such a provision in its laws, but it is almost never used.
Check the bolded parts.
People suffering delusions find them to be quite real, and most often cannot be convinced that they are ill and that the delusions are illogical and make no sense.
Which leads to the next piece, which is they are unaware they are ill and won't voluntarily seek treatment or take their meds.
My youngest brother is convinced that:
1. The home alarm system my mom & dad had in their house was really some sort of recording device that was recording information about him and sending it - somewhere. He was so convinced of this that he tore the wiring apart to disable the thing.
2. That when he lived in Texas, not only were his neighbors stalking and harrassing him, they had recruited a whole bunch of other folks as well, and whenever he went somewhere, there was a whole line of cars following him for the purpose of spying on him and harrassing him.
3. When he moved from Texas to Louisiana, these same people sold their property in Texas, followed him to La. and bought the house next door to my parents house (where he was living) for the purpose of spying on him and harrassing him.
There was nothing, not one thing we could tell him, about how illogical that was, to convince him otherwise. HOWEVER, he is just savvy enough so that he doesn't talk about those things to a physician performing a cursory exam - it would take some time with a specialist to build enough trust that he would talk about this. So he appears quite sane; but he isn't.
He's been in treatment twice; and walked away both times. I know I'll get a call one day that he has hurt himself or someone else, and I dread the day.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:51:38am |
re: #190 thedopefishlives
And then, of course, every year there's the news stories about some idiot who was out on the lake too late and lost his icehouse and/or truck to the rapidly melting ice.
I lived on a lake in north Jersey, ice fishing, ice boating, ice skating, the whole thing... I never saw anyone catch any ice though.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:52:12am |
re: #191 Walter L. Newton
If you are talking Minnesota, I know what you mean. I've stayed on Minnetonka for two weeks in Feb. for business once, back in the 80's.
But that area is not much different than northern New Jersey where I spent 10 winters.
When we had that heavy 17" snowstorm last month, my wife looks at me and says, "Let's go out for lunch!"
I don't know if I was more surprised at her request, or that the restaurant actually had several other customers besides us when we arrived.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:52:55am |
re: #193 reine.de.tout
People suffering delusions find them to be quite real
I REALLY know I'm handsome, smart and urbane!!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:54:02am |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
I lived on a lake in north Jersey, ice fishing, ice boating, ice skating, the whole thing... I never saw anyone catch any ice though.
I bet they aren't using the right bait.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:54:13am |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
I lived on a lake in north Jersey, ice fishing, ice boating, ice skating, the whole thing... I never saw anyone catch any ice though.
I do all the time,,, in my drink glass,,,all I have to do is push the lever on the door of my refridge!!
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:55:11am |
re: #196 sattv4u2
People suffering delusions find them to be quite real
I REALLY know I'm handsome, smart and urbane!!
Oh, and you are, you are!
*snicker*
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:55:52am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:56:04am |
Hey... did anyone hear... I'm leaving for Paris tomorrow morning... snicker :)
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:56:25am |
re: #186 sattv4u2
Drill a hole in the ice
get a piece of twine
bend a paperclip
attach said clip to twine
put some type of foodstuff at the end of said hookFISH!
"If you give a person a fish, they'll fish for a day. But if you train a person to fish, they'll fish for a lifetime." -- D. Quayle
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:57:02am |
re: #188 Obdicut
The Russians are actually currently still using the blood libel, I'm afraid.
You are right. It has been brought up recently.
It's also a standard plot device in Egyptian, Turkish and Iranian TV shows.
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Rogueone Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:57:25am |
New droid update test. Threads open faster but commenting still lags.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:57:39am |
re: #202 Walter L. Newton
Hey... did anyone hear... I'm leaving for Paris tomorrow morning... snicker :)
Paris is all atwitter!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:58:41am |
re: #203 BongCrodny
"If you give a person a fish, they'll fish for a day. But if you train a person to fish, they'll fish for a lifetime." -- D. Quayle
fishy fishy fish
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 5:59:47am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:00:20am |
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:01:38am |
re: #204 Alouette
I can hope against hope that Palin's victimhood will result in more people understanding what a blood libel really is, how often it was used against Jews, and why being accused of creating a climate of violence with dangerous rhetoric is nothing, at all, like a blood libel.
As I said before, what angers me most is that Palin's accusation of the blood libel was towards people who think that her violent rhetoric means she bears some responsibility for the dangerous climate of violence. Included among those critics is Giffords. So, to me, Palin is accusing a Jew of blood libel. That is beyond the pale for me.
I don't think Giffords is going to exactly change her mind about violent rhetoric if (and I hope so much that she does) regain her faculties after this attack.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:02:06am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:02:06am |
re: #203 BongCrodny
"If you give a person a fish, they'll fish for a day. But if you train a person to fish, they'll fish for a lifetime." -- D. Quayle
"Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life."
-Terry Pratchett
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:03:09am |
re: #210 Obdicut
I can hope against hope that Palin's victimhood will result in more people understanding what a blood libel really is, how often it was used against Jews, and why being accused of creating a climate of violence with dangerous rhetoric is nothing, at all, like a blood libel.
As I said before, what angers me most is that Palin's accusation of the blood libel was towards people who think that her violent rhetoric means she bears some responsibility for the dangerous climate of violence. Included among those critics is Giffords. So, to me, Palin is accusing a Jew of blood libel. That is beyond the pale for me.
I don't think Giffords is going to exactly change her mind about violent rhetoric if (and I hope so much that she does) regain her faculties after this attack.
Maybe she should have used the term "Witch Hunt" and Christine O'Donnell would take offense.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:03:29am |
A more serious complaint is that Loughner was able to legally buy a weapon even though he was weird enough to induce fear at his community college. School authorities finally told him not to come back until he got a bill of health from a mental health professional. But none of this showed up in the background check when he went to buy a gun.
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:04:12am |
re: #212 Varek Raith
"Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life."
-Terry Pratchett
The Ohio Players - Fire
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:06:25am |
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:07:30am |
re: #193 reine.de.tout
sorry to hear all that...taking on the burden of others safety must be very difficult...sadly there are few resources for states to deal with mental illness before the fact of injury to themselves or others...and not likely to improve either
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:08:25am |
re: #212 Varek Raith
"Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life."
-Terry Pratchett
Oooooooh. I likes that one!
The problem with Pratchett is there's so much good stuff there and it keeps coming page after page, non-chapter after non-chapter.
Still waiting for just one more damn Rincewind story.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:08:48am |
re: #202 Walter L. Newton
Hey... did anyone hear... I'm leaving for Paris tomorrow morning... snicker :)
have a fun and safe trip....don't take any wooden nickles
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:08:56am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:09:48am |
re: #217 albusteve
sorry to hear all that...taking on the burden of others safety must be very difficult...sadly there are few resources for states to deal with mental illness before the fact of injury to themselves or others...and not likely to improve either
Well... the conservative have been gutting the mental health system for 30 years.
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:12:12am |
re: #213 Alouette
Maybe she should have used the term "Witch Hunt" and Christine O'Donnell would take offense.
Was going to reply to you before, but I got pulled away...
I think there is a large difference between terms that have entered the general vernacular and those that haven't. Hip Hip, witch hunt have been a part of the general English language for centuries now. Their original meaning is now more a matter of etymology than definition.
However, I do not think this process is necessarily a positive thing, nor do I think Blood Libel has become an accepted synonym for 'murderous libel'. So while I do use the English language as it exists today, including a turn of phrase such as 'witch hunt', I won't encourage such treatment for other words like Blood Libel, holocaust or genocide.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:12:51am |
We missed all the snow here in central Virginia. It's cold & windy though. I work outside all day too so lots of clothing helps.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:14:34am |
re: #217 albusteve
sorry to hear all that...taking on the burden of others safety must be very difficult...sadly there are few resources for states to deal with mental illness before the fact of injury to themselves or others...and not likely to improve either
I haven't spoken with him in 3 years.
And have zero plans to. I've done what I can do, and he's rejected it. That's it. Louisiana has the resources he just won't take advantage of them.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:14:47am |
re: #223 McSpiff
One of the weirdest for me is the word 'rape'. I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned. I guess it's really not that different from someone saying "They murdered the other team", but it feels wrong as hell to me.
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Varek Raith Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:16:33am |
re: #224 NJDhockeyfan
We missed all the snow here in central Virginia. It's cold & windy though. I work outside all day too so lots of clothing helps.
Got half an inch up in NoVa.
Windy as hell though.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:16:43am |
re: #226 Obdicut
One of the weirdest for me is the word 'rape'. I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned. I guess it's really not that different from someone saying "They murdered the other team", but it feels wrong as hell to me.
Environmentalists have been saying humans are 'raping Mother Earth' for years.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:17:30am |
re: #227 Varek Raith
Got half an inch up in NoVa.
Windy as hell though.
I don't mind the chilly temps but the wind blows it right through your clothes. Brrr.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:17:45am |
Public works officials say the 11 acres of trees, some of them more than 100 years old, must go to ensure the integrity of a nearby dam that provides most of the drinking water to the Los Angeles suburbs of Arcadia and Sierra Madre. By nightfall, authorities said most of the trees had been removed.
trees or drinking water?...
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:17:46am |
re: #220 NJDhockeyfan
Robot Fish
[Video]
That was awesome.
I think those will come in pretty handy once we build the giant mechanical WarBears.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:18:10am |
re: #228 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah, that's another good example. It's a little less bad, since there's no actual humans involved, but it's still uncomfortable for me.
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:18:15am |
re: #226 Obdicut
Well, I agree. But I think that's a more recent thing for me, since speaking with a rape survivor. Perhaps if I had been as impacted by a murder I'd feel the same way about its flippant use? I'm not sure. Still learning this whole 'life' thing.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:19:02am |
re: #226 Obdicut
One of the weirdest for me is the word 'rape'. I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned. I guess it's really not that different from someone saying "They murdered the other team", but it feels wrong as hell to me.
Wow. That is just Teh Creep.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:19:55am |
re: #225 reine.de.tout
I haven't spoken with him in 3 years.
And have zero plans to. I've done what I can do, and he's rejected it. That's it. Louisiana has the resources he just won't take advantage of them.
the timeless adage about leading the horse to water...at some point your own life has to take priority
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:20:30am |
re: #232 Obdicut
Yeah, that's another good example. It's a little less bad, since there's no actual humans involved, but it's still uncomfortable for me.
The neighbor's dog has been coming over to my yard & raping my puppy.
Does that count as bad grammar?
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:20:46am |
re: #221 Walter L. Newton
Well... the conservative have been gutting the mental health system for 30 years.
bad news, it seems craziness is on the rise
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:21:38am |
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:21:42am |
re: #226 Obdicut
One of the weirdest for me is the word 'rape'. I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned. I guess it's really not that different from someone saying "They murdered the other team", but it feels wrong as hell to me.
it was....people are idiots
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:22:50am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:24:10am |
re: #226 Obdicut
One of the weirdest for me is the word 'rape'. I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned. I guess it's really not that different from someone saying "They murdered the other team", but it feels wrong as hell to me.
The stage musical "The Fantasticks," which was the longest running musical in the history of theatre, which opened in New York in 1960 and ran 42 years at the same theatre, has a song called "The Rape Song."
In the dialog intro to the song, the classical sense of the word is discussed, the latin origins, from the word "rapier" in the archaic sense of an abduction or kidnapping. And the song is about abducting a young woman.
Just an example of another (and basically accepted) use of the word... FYI.
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HAL2010 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:24:46am |
Can't help but notice that the "defining quote" came from the shrieking harpy herself.
Wear this badge of honour with pride I say.
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:25:00am |
re: #222 Obdicut
Have you read Nation?
Just checked it out on Amazon. Is it new as of 2008? The "Grades 7-10" may frighten lesser men, but I'm not scared.
I'm really not much of a sci-fi guy, but I've read maybe all but three of the Discworld books. I also liked "Good Omens."
I see that Rincewind is in "Unseen Academicals." I'll shut up now.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:25:27am |
Maybe President Obama was saving the magic for a time when we really needed it.
For me, Obama’s best moment came when he warned that “what we can’t do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another.”
a decent speech, but 'magical'?....I bit short of magical I think
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:27:05am |
re: #245 albusteve
but 'magical'?...I bit short of magical I think
Depends on ones own definition of "magical"
When I was a little kid, I thought it was "magical" that every time I pulled my uncles finger he would ,,,,,
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:27:09am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
The stage musical "The Fantasticks," which was the longest running musical in the history of theatre, which opened in New York in 1960 and ran 42 years at the same theatre, has a song called "The Rape Song."
In the dialog intro to the song, the classical sense of the word is discussed, the latin origins, from the word "rapier" in the archaic sense of an abduction or kidnapping. And the song is about abducting a young woman.
Just an example of another (and basically accepted) use of the word... FYI.
I need to correct one part of my comment. The popular name of the song has become "The Rape Song" the actual book name of the song is "It Depends on What you Pay" (just for the purist).
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:27:45am |
re: #244 BongCrodny
Nation is an amazing book. It's for ages of 7-10, and has more death and tragedy than any of his 'adult' books. It's a book written about death, faith, and atheism, by a man who knows he's dying.
It's a hell of a book.
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:27:59am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
The stage musical "The Fantasticks," which was the longest running musical in the history of theatre, which opened in New York in 1960 and ran 42 years at the same theatre, has a song called "The Rape Song."
In the dialog intro to the song, the classical sense of the word is discussed, the latin origins, from the word "rapier" in the archaic sense of an abduction or kidnapping. And the song is about abducting a young woman.
Just an example of another (and basically accepted) use of the word... FYI.
That's different to me. Hard to describe, but the example Obicut presented belittles the victim of an unwelcome ,forceful, often violent crime. That being raped is somehow only equal to losing a sports game particularly badly.
The example you present is simply another meaning of the word. Doesn't stir that same terrible comparison in me. But this all fairly fresh to me, so I could easily be overreacting.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:28:15am |
re: #245 albusteve
Maybe President Obama was saving the magic for a time when we really needed it.
For me, Obama’s best moment came when he warned that “what we can’t do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another.”
I totally agree with that. There is so much blame going around since the shooting that everyone but the gunman himself has been blamed for it.
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:29:54am |
re: #248 Obdicut
Nation is an amazing book. It's for ages of 7-10, and has more death and tragedy than any of his 'adult' books. It's a book written about death, faith, and atheism, by a man who knows he's dying.
It's a hell of a book.
I'll check it out. On Amazon, they compared it favorably to the Pullman trilogy, which I also liked. I've been meaning to read those again.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:29:54am |
re: #250 NJDhockeyfan
I totally agree with that. There is so much blame going around since the shooting that everyone but the gunman himself has been blamed for it.
nice sentiment, but the exact opposite is the reality....people turned on one another with a fury
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:30:48am |
re: #251 BongCrodny
I'd say it's a jillion times better than the Pullman trilogy. I loved the plot of the Pullman trilogy, but the writing left me cold. Great ideas, but really flat execution.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:31:05am |
re: #250 NJDhockeyfan
I totally agree with that. There is so much blame going around since the shooting that everyone but the gunman himself has been blamed for it.
Can't blame him
He's a
A) victim of a system that negelcted him
B) pawn of others that willed him to do it
((will depend on how his lawyer wants to play it to try to keep his ass out of Ole Sparky!)))
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:32:53am |
re: #249 McSpiff
That's different to me. Hard to describe, but the example Obicut presented belittles the victim of an unwelcome ,forceful, often violent crime. That being raped is somehow only equal to losing a sports game particularly badly.
The example you present is simply another meaning of the word. Doesn't stir that same terrible comparison in me. But this all fairly fresh to me, so I could easily be overreacting.
I understand.
But, the song did finally stir some terrible comparisons out in the politically correct word. In the 90's the authors wrote an alternative song that a theatre could use in place of "It Depends on What you Pay" some people will be offended no matter what.
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McSpiff Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:33:49am |
Question for those more talented in prose than me, are analogies equivalent? That is, if A is an analogy for B, does that imply that B is also an analogy for A?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:34:12am |
re: #255 Walter L. Newton
It offends me that you think I may be offended !!
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:34:48am |
re: #193 reine.de.tout
Others are unaware they are sick and should be required by law to receive assisted outpatient treatment, including medication and counseling, as is the case in New York under Kendra's Law. If they do not comply with the court-ordered treatment plan, they can and should be involuntarily admitted to a hospital.
Do you realize how many people would fall into this category, many of whom will never harm anyone?
This is not a problem that easily lends itself to facile answers. Yes, more outpatient treatment including medication and counseling is a hugely important first step, and yes, hospitalization at viable institutions should be a viable and more accessible option (I don't know if you've visited a patient in any still-existing mental hospitals, but I have been in a couple and they are horrendous) but simple "non-compliance" should not lead to automatic involuntary commitment.
Just because someone is mentally ill, they should not lose their rights to freedom. It needs to be established that they present a real and present danger to themselves or someone else - and in fact, in most places where I've lived, you can have someone committed now based on those criteria.
As an aside - compared to the community-based ways that mental illness is dealt with in many countries has proven, in many studies, to result in significantly better outcomes for the mentally ill than the medicate/medicate and institutionalize methods that have been used historically in this country.
I am a caretaker for a mentally ill brother. I give him psychotropic medication injections every couple of weeks, which keeps his voices and delusions to a manageable level - but every time I give him a shot I think of those studies that show that long-term prognosis for mental illness is better in countries where they don't use psychotropic medications at nearly the same level that we do here. I've made peace with the trade-off - for in my brother's specific case, all-in-all, things have worked out pretty well to the point where he's stable and reasonably happy. But there have been times when he was considered to be "non-compliant," and if he had been involuntarily hospitalized at those times, I have little doubt that he would be far, far worse off than he is now.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:35:12am |
re: #242 Walter L. Newton
The stage musical "The Fantasticks," which was the longest running musical in the history of theatre, which opened in New York in 1960 and ran 42 years at the same theatre, has a song called "The Rape Song."
In the dialog intro to the song, the classical sense of the word is discussed, the latin origins, from the word "rapier" in the archaic sense of an abduction or kidnapping. And the song is about abducting a young woman.
Just an example of another (and basically accepted) use of the word... FYI.
When my high school performed "The Fantasticks" in 1967, the song "It Depends on What You Pay" was included as written, although we heard about other schools that had to use an alternate version of this song.
I missed my chance to play Louisa. When the alternate for Matt (a boy about 5'3" tall) was playing the role, I was the only girl who knew the part, who was shorter than he was. But I came down with bronchitis and totally lost my voice.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:36:38am |
re: #257 sattv4u2
It offends me that you think I may be offended !!
For the musical theatre buffs... the controversy...
Although the musical was a success, The Fantasticks' book became somewhat controversial due to its repeated use of the word "rape." In the original production, when El Gallo offers to stage the phony kidnapping of Luisa, he refers to the proposed event as a "rape", although he makes it clear that he uses the word only in its traditional literary sense (Latin "rapere") of "abduction", explaining that many classical works, including Alexander Pope's The Rape of the Lock, use the word in this sense. (See raptio and bride kidnapping.) In his song "It Depends on What You Pay" he describes different kidnapping scenarios—some comic or outlandish—that he classifies as the "Venetian rape", the "Gothic rape", the "Drunken rape", etc. However, as the public issues of rape and sexual assault became more of a delicate subject during the play's long run, some people in the audience became puzzled by the use of the word.To deal with changing audience perceptions, the book is sometimes edited to replace the word "rape" with alternatives such as "abduction" or the similar-sounding "raid." In addition, in 1990, Tom Jones and Harvey Schmidt, the authors, wrote an optional replacement piece called "Abductions", which uses the music of the "Rape Ballet" (although this song did not replace "It Depends on What You Pay" at the Sullivan Street Playhouse, where, with the edits made in the book, audiences did not seem to have much difficulty in accepting the song).[31] MTI (Music Theater International), which licenses the show, has made "Abductions" available, both music and lyrics, as an alternate choice in the event of someone being offended by the word "rape".
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
My recommendation, don't see the show if the theatre is using the alternative song.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:37:22am |
re: #259 Alouette
When the alternate for Matt (a boy about 5'3" tall) was playing the role, I was the only girl who knew the part, who was shorter than he was. But I came down with bronchitis and totally lost my voice.
And it just so happened that a Hollywood talent scout was in the audience that night, and your stand in signed a HUGE multi media contract
YOU COULDA BEEN FAMOUS!!
///
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:37:30am |
"Already we've seen a national conversation commence, not only about the motivations behind these killings, but about everything from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health systems.
turning a bloodthirsty, screaming match into a "national conversation"...
now that's magic
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:38:25am |
re: #253 Obdicut
I'd say it's a jillion times better than the Pullman trilogy. I loved the plot of the Pullman trilogy, but the writing left me cold. Great ideas, but really flat execution.
True that -- although "God is an Asshole" doesn't exactly set the stage for warm and fuzzy. :-)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:38:35am |
re: #262 albusteve
"Already we've seen a national conversation commence, not only about the motivations behind these killings, but about everything from the merits of gun safety laws to the adequacy of our mental health systems.
turning a bloodthirsty, screaming match into a "national conversation"...
now that's magic[Link: www.latimes.com...]
Pull my finger!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:38:56am |
re: #254 sattv4u2
Can't blame him
He's a
A) victim of a system that negelcted him
B) pawn of others that willed him to do it
((will depend on how his lawyer wants to play it to try to keep his ass out of Ole Sparky!)))
Bring back Ole Sparky!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:39:16am |
re: #259 Alouette
When my high school performed "The Fantasticks" in 1967, the song "It Depends on What You Pay" was included as written, although we heard about other schools that had to use an alternate version of this song.
I missed my chance to play Louisa. When the alternate for Matt (a boy about 5'3" tall) was playing the role, I was the only girl who knew the part, who was shorter than he was. But I came down with bronchitis and totally lost my voice.
I don't know what "alternate" version was available since the authors didn't write any alternative song until 1990? And if there were schools changing the lyrics as written in 1967, then unless they had permission from the publisher to substitute certain words (not impossible), they would have been breaking the performance license.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:39:38am |
re: #263 BongCrodny
Heh. Nation is more along the lines of "God, if he exists, is an asshole"-- and then proceeds to give warm and fuzzies. And create a space for faith, as well.
Really great book.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:39:44am |
re: #261 sattv4u2
When the alternate for Matt (a boy about 5'3" tall) was playing the role, I was the only girl who knew the part, who was shorter than he was. But I came down with bronchitis and totally lost my voice.
And it just so happened that a Hollywood talent scout was in the audience that night, and your stand in signed a HUGE multi media contract
YOU COULDA BEEN FAMOUS!!
///
None of the kids I went to high school with became famous, although of course all of us thought we would be. :)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:40:49am |
re: #259 Alouette
When my high school performed "The Fantasticks" in 1967, the song "It Depends on What You Pay" was included as written, although we heard about other schools that had to use an alternate version of this song.
I missed my chance to play Louisa. When the alternate for Matt (a boy about 5'3" tall) was playing the role, I was the only girl who knew the part, who was shorter than he was. But I came down with bronchitis and totally lost my voice.
You must have (had) a wonderful voice if you were capable of singing that role. It's extremely difficult, some of her songs sit right on the edge of being operatic.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:41:43am |
re: #266 Walter L. Newton
I don't know what "alternate" version was available since the authors didn't write any alternative song until 1990? And if there were schools changing the lyrics as written in 1967, then unless they had permission from the publisher to substitute certain words (not impossible), they would have been breaking the performance license.
I heard of one school where the administrators absolutely would not allow the performers so sing a song with the word "rape" in it, so they changed every instance of "rape" to "nap" (as in "kidnap")
Yeah, this probably was in violation of their performance contract, but I never heard they got into trouble for it.
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:43:01am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:43:04am |
re: #269 Walter L. Newton
You must have (had) a wonderful voice if you were capable of singing that role. It's extremely difficult, some of her songs sit right on the edge of being operatic.
I had some skillz.
It's been passed on. Several of my sons have performed as professional cantors.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:43:42am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:44:00am |
re: #272 BongCrodny
Youtube shows 5,210 results for "pull my finger."
Is my uncle in any of them ?
(post # 246 reference)
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:44:39am |
re: #270 Alouette
I heard of one school where the administrators absolutely would not allow the performers so sing a song with the word "rape" in it, so they changed every instance of "rape" to "nap" (as in "kidnap")
Yeah, this probably was in violation of their performance contract, but I never heard they got into trouble for it.
Yuck... can you hear that.... "nap.... nanananan... ananananananananana... nap" The whole aria-like vocal intro to that song is dependent on rolling the "ra" sound of the word rape.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:47:02am |
re: #273 Alouette
I had some skillz.
It's been passed on. Several of my sons have performed as professional cantors.
I've never had any kids to pass on any skills to... which is probably fine... the world only needed one Don Rickles.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:47:46am |
Gun reformers argue that the assault-weapons ban, which expired in 2004, might have prevented some of the carnage because that law limited newly manufactured magazines to 10 bullets.
stuck on stupid....a 30 round clip probably increases the chance of jamming by three times....a really smart killer would take five minutes and learn to change 10 round clips almost instantaneously....whatever....of all the 900, or however many gun laws in the US, the assault weapons ban was the worst of them all and did nothing to decrease gun violence
[Link: thehill.com...]
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:48:48am |
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gamark Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:49:06am |
re: #265 NJDhockeyfan
Bring back Ole Sparky!
For some reason I was recently reading about past political assassinations and was surprised by one aspect in a 1933 attempt on FDR (suspected target) in which a handful of people were shot in Miami and the mayor of Chicago (travelling with FDR) was killed. This happened on February 15. On March 20th, the killer was strapped into ol' sparky and his last statement was "push the button". Swift justice, indeed.
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:51:19am |
re: #267 Obdicut
Heh. Nation is more along the lines of "God, if he exists, is an asshole"-- and then proceeds to give warm and fuzzies. And create a space for faith, as well.
Really great book.
Both "Unseen" and "Nation" are available at the local public library.
Looks like I got me an errand to run this afternoon.
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:52:15am |
re: #275 sattv4u2
Is my uncle in any of them ?
(post # 246 reference)
I don't know your uncle. What does his finger look like?
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:53:26am |
re: #278 albusteve
The ban appears
to have had clear short-term effects
on the gun market, some of which were
unintended consequences: production of
the banned weapons increased before the
law took effect, and prices fell afterward.
This suggests that the weapons became
more available generally, but they must
have become less accessible to criminals
because there was at least a short-term
decrease in criminal use of the banned
weapons.
[Link: www.ncjrs.gov...]
It's a pretty extensive analysis.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:53:31am |
re: #282 BongCrodny
I don't know your uncle. What does his finger look like?
which one?
((now you have to figure out which one,, both uncle AND fingers)
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BongGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:54:21am |
re: #284 sattv4u2
which one?
((now you have to figure out which one,, both uncle AND fingers)
Look, be reasonable. I'm certainly not going to sit here trying to figure out which finger YOU pulled.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:54:22am |
Almost 9 a.m. here, and it's still in the 20's! (24).
Damn.
I'll need to go through my closet and find my coat.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:55:02am |
re: #285 BongCrodny
Look, be reasonable. I'm certainly not going to sit here trying to figure out which finger YOU pulled.
I'm so old,, I can't even remember which uncle it was!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:55:22am |
re: #274 Obdicut
Good Morning (or whatever your time zone is)
I have some gun safety issue feedback from an FFL (Ferdinande Firearms License)pal. Plans are afoot to tighten discipline among sales people at gun shops.
Right now the dealers are very concerned. Concerned like the rest of us and concerned about fallout. There is an intent to be more careful about who gets sold. Kinda like bartenders getting reminded about when to 86 customers-Before they are wildly drunk. It's vague and unformed so far. But we all expect ATF to respond to this incident strongly.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:56:15am |
And on that note ,,, I'm going to have a cup of coffee and decide whether I want to chance driving home or stay here another day/ night
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:57:48am |
re: #286 reine.de.tout
Oh shiver! You folks are far more humid heat adapted than cold.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 6:59:12am |
re: #286 reine.de.tout
Almost 9 a.m. here, and it's still in the 20's! (24).
Damn.
I'll need to go through my closet and find my coat.
Yeah ,, it's time for your coat to come out of the closet!
Wait ,, WHAT!?!
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:00:51am |
re: #291 sattv4u2
LOL
You are going stir crazy in there huh? Well I'd be far worse.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:01:11am |
re: #286 reine.de.tout
Almost 9 a.m. here, and it's still in the 20's! (24).
Damn.
I'll need to go through my closet and find my coat.
It was 2 degrees here when I got up for work at 6:00 this AM. Quit yer whinin'./
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:01:26am |
Besides blaming an entire industry with an impeccable safety record for BP's failure, the commission also ignores the failure of federal oversight or advance preparation for such a spill and recommends the creation of another entirely new federal agency to oversee all offshore oil and gas drilling.
The commission did not recommend a needed resumption of offshore drilling under safer rules. It just recommended more rules, costly studies and the hiring of outside "experts" to promulgate new regulations to stifle an already dying industry.
this is how you fix a death grip on industry....it's not difficult at all for the feds to take control of large swaths of the economy...so one wonders, why are they doing this?
[Link: www.investors.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:03:56am |
re: #292 Rightwingconspirator
LOL
You are going stir crazy in there huh? Well I'd be far worse.
GOING!?!?
Can't "go" where I already am!!
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Jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:04:47am |
It's 15 degrees in American here, with a few fluffy flakes wafting around the sky.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:07:08am |
re: #297 Jadespring
It's 15 degrees in American here, with a few fluffy flakes wafting around the sky.
We are finally getting above freezing... it was in the minus range overnight some nights this week... it's 30 (f) right now and suppose to hit the low 50's (f) later today... but you'll still feel the cool since there is a good snow cover still all around.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:08:15am |
re: #226 Obdicut
One of the weirdest for me is the word 'rape'. I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned. I guess it's really not that different from someone saying "They murdered the other team", but it feels wrong as hell to me.
re: #233 McSpiff
Well, I agree. But I think that's a more recent thing for me, since speaking with a rape survivor. Perhaps if I had been as impacted by a murder I'd feel the same way about its flippant use? I'm not sure. Still learning this whole 'life' thing.
There is a good bit of difference, language-wise. The word "rape" has changed meanings through its history. It was not always forcible sex per se. The famous "Rape of the Sabine Women" doesn't describe the modern usage--it is the forcible carrying-off of a rival tribes women to provide mates. Even today the Italian word "rapina" describes theft, not sex. So historically, rape is more subject to metaphore. Not so "Blood Libel".
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:09:39am |
Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at 'Unprecedented Level,' Aides Say
Palin's Video Prompts Debate Over 'Blood Libel;' Palin's Office Talking to Security
An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor's team has been talking to security professionals.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:10:39am |
re: #301 albusteve
Wow. Apparently they think that rhetoric may inspire violence.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:10:41am |
re: #297 Jadespring
It's 15 degrees in American here, with a few fluffy flakes wafting around the sky.
We're actually supposed to get some more snow here - only around an inch or so, but yeah. We're slowly rebuilding our snow piles after the freezing rain melted away a good chunk of the December snow. Interesting random fact: This year's December snow series is one of the biggest opening snows on record, eclipsed only by the infamous Halloween Storm of 1991.
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:11:57am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Lebanon's political crisis deepens and the Lebanese President has called for talks to begin on Monday about forming a new government.
All of this is the result of Hizbullah doing everything in its power to avoid justice for its role in the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. International investigations are on the verge of announcing Hizbullah's involvement in the assassination (linking back to Syria) and the group couldn't handle that.
So, they withdrew from the government and caused a political crisis to avoid justice.
Now, Iran is trying to claim that this situation is the fault of Israel and the US, even though Hizbullah is the one to withdraw from the government because it wants to avoid justice.
Just another typical day in the Middle East....
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:12:42am |
re: #294 albusteve
Besides blaming an entire industry with an impeccable safety record for BP's failure, the commission also ignores the failure of federal oversight or advance preparation for such a spill and recommends the creation of another entirely new federal agency to oversee all offshore oil and gas drilling.
The commission did not recommend a needed resumption of offshore drilling under safer rules. It just recommended more rules, costly studies and the hiring of outside "experts" to promulgate new regulations to stifle an already dying industry.
this is how you fix a death grip on industry...it's not difficult at all for the feds to take control of large swaths of the economy...so one wonders, why are they doing this?
[Link: www.investors.com...]
Did you read/hear about the report? They hardly "ignored the failure of federal oversight."
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Decatur Deb Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:16:09am |
re: #305 Talking Point Detective
Did you read/hear about the report? They hardly "ignored the failure of federal oversight."
"impeccable safety record" I think it's been pecc'ed.
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albusteve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:17:03am |
"Any you let that (expletive) scum bag know, that if he ever (expletive) with my money, ever the (expletive) again, I'll (expletive) kill him, okay," Habermann continued, according to charges. "I'll round them up, I'll kill them, I'll kill his friends, I'll kill his family, I will kill everybody he (expletive) knows."
trust fund baby arrested....says he was not going to hurt anyone
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]
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Jadespring Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:17:32am |
re: #303 thedopefishlives
We're actually supposed to get some more snow here - only around an inch or so, but yeah. We're slowly rebuilding our snow piles after the freezing rain melted away a good chunk of the December snow. Interesting random fact: This year's December snow series is one of the biggest opening snows on record, eclipsed only by the infamous Halloween Storm of 1991.
Yeah we lost all of our first snow here too. Big three day melt that turned everything to mud. Then it dropped right down again and it all came back within a couple of days. I've been snow in a few times already this year though where I live it's pretty common. I usually make sure I have enough to survive on for at least a week just to be safe.
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garhighway Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:18:04am |
re: #294 albusteve
Besides blaming an entire industry with an impeccable safety record for BP's failure, the commission also ignores the failure of federal oversight or advance preparation for such a spill and recommends the creation of another entirely new federal agency to oversee all offshore oil and gas drilling.
The commission did not recommend a needed resumption of offshore drilling under safer rules. It just recommended more rules, costly studies and the hiring of outside "experts" to promulgate new regulations to stifle an already dying industry.
this is how you fix a death grip on industry...it's not difficult at all for the feds to take control of large swaths of the economy...so one wonders, why are they doing this?
[Link: www.investors.com...]
Maybe because they don't want another massive spill?
It's easy to call the Deepwater Horizon incident just a BP thing and therefore write it off as if it can't happen again, but that is inaccurate. Surrounding that incident was the usual array of oilfield services contractors, none of which had the sense to prevent the blowout. It wasn't just BP.
Every now and then an incident occurs that makes (or should make) an entire industry reassess its practices. Or, if the industry is in denial and refuses to do so, cause that industry's regulators to force it upon them. It happened in commercial aviation (for example) after Eastern put an L1011 into the Everglades. You could argue that Eastern (and the other airlines) had plenty of incentive to avoid crashes without the FAA and NTSB meddling in their business. But the FAA/NTSB did meddle after that crash, and their meddling no doubt has prevented lots of other crashes.
Likewise here. The rest of the industry has gone into "that was just BP, WE would never do that" mode. But they use the same support contractors, they buy the same hardware, they hire from the same labor pool. People who work for BP one day work for Exxon the next. You have to address the industry, unless you just don't give a shit whether this will happen again.
That isn't a government power grab. That is the government doing what we put it in place to do: protect us, our economy, our beaches, and all the rest from risks that we as citizens cannot manage ourselves.
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Ericus58 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:23:23am |
re: #308 albusteve
"Any you let that (expletive) scum bag know, that if he ever (expletive) with my money, ever the (expletive) again, I'll (expletive) kill him, okay," Habermann continued, according to charges. "I'll round them up, I'll kill them, I'll kill his friends, I'll kill his family, I will kill everybody he (expletive) knows."
trust fund baby arrested...says he was not going to hurt anyone
[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]
Even though I dislike "Bagdad Jim" intensely, this idiot should be prosecuted and if found guilty made to pay in both a fine and time.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:26:56am |
re: #311 garhighway
Maybe because they don't want another massive spill?
It's easy to call the Deepwater Horizon incident just a BP thing and therefore write it off as if it can't happen again, but that is inaccurate. Surrounding that incident was the usual array of oilfield services contractors, none of which had the sense to prevent the blowout. It wasn't just BP.
Every now and then an incident occurs that makes (or should make) an entire industry reassess its practices. Or, if the industry is in denial and refuses to do so, cause that industry's regulators to force it upon them. It happened in commercial aviation (for example) after Eastern put an L1011 into the Everglades. You could argue that Eastern (and the other airlines) had plenty of incentive to avoid crashes without the FAA and NTSB meddling in their business. But the FAA/NTSB did meddle after that crash, and their meddling no doubt has prevented lots of other crashes.
Likewise here. The rest of the industry has gone into "that was just BP, WE would never do that" mode. But they use the same support contractors, they buy the same hardware, they hire from the same labor pool. People who work for BP one day work for Exxon the next. You have to address the industry, unless you just don't give a shit whether this will happen again.
That isn't a government power grab. That is the government doing what we put it in place to do: protect us, our economy, our beaches, and all the rest from risks that we as citizens cannot manage ourselves.
This is what happens when accountants (not pilots, not engineers) occupy the top management positions. Everything becomes all about the "bottom line" and getting stuff done "on time" and "under budget." It was shown that BP cut corners and ignored safety precautions because the upper management bean counters were urging them to work faster and cheaper.
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gamark Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:29:38am |
re: #226 Obdicut
I heard a sportscaster describing a team as 'just raping' another team, and I was kinda stunned.
That usage is ubiquitous among my 17yo son and his friends. They certainly aren't the fist to use it and I suspect the sportscaster was pretty young and didn't give a second thought to using it. Another usage among kids that makes me cringe is the use of "gay" as a replacement for "stupid".
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garhighway Thu, Jan 13, 2011 7:31:16am |
re: #313 Alouette
This is what happens when accountants (not pilots, not engineers) occupy the top management positions. Everything becomes all about the "bottom line" and getting stuff done "on time" and "under budget." It was shown that BP cut corners and ignored safety precautions because the upper management bean counters were urging them to work faster and cheaper.
Yes and no. I agree that in the BP scenario that was a big factor. In the cockpit awareness example though, traditional cockpit hierarchies (that were part of the pilot culture) were a big part of the problem, and it wasn't just (or mainly) about profit maximization.
But your larger point is right. The stakes are too high for us to simply trust the BPs of the world. When they screw up, it isn't just themselves they damage.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:07:50am |
Morning Lizards. Looks like Arianna got herself into a spot of trouble last Saturday.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:10:13am |
re: #316 Bubblehead II
Morning Lizards. Looks like Arianna got herself into a spot of trouble last Saturday.
I also hate these elites who think the rules only apply to the peasants, not to them.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:12:17am |
re: #308 albusteve
trust fund baby arrested...says he was not going to hurt anyone
That's where it gets creepy. I am guessing most of the killers throughout history would have said, "I wasn't going to hurt anyone" if caught before their dastardly deeds were done.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:17:36am |
re: #317 Alouette
Agree, But as was pointed out at the end of the article, it's not only the Elites who are doing it.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:35:22am |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's where it gets creepy. I am guessing most of the killers throughout history would have said, "I wasn't going to hurt anyone" if caught before their dastardly deeds were done.
Maybe not John Wilkes Booth.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:37:58am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:38:32am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:39:49am |
John Wilkes Booth was a stage celebrity. It would be like a Hollywood movie star shooting the President.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:41:27am |
re: #322 Alouette
Oswald was a wuss.
Well, yes, he was a loser all around, but I'll bet he was really clear on his intent to harm.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:42:58am |
I bet you couldn't guess where a head board member made this comment?
“Our system needs evaluations so as to allow each teacher to check on the progress made and pick up on weaknesses of certain children. It is also a performance indicator for our educational system, and over the long term shows us how things are evolving, so we can make adjustments.”
Guess... and I'll post the link in a bit. I was even surprised.
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Obdicut Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:44:37am |
Mt Etna is exploding just a li'l.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Stanghazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:48:12am |
Check this out
smithsonian
From our Archives, a pretty spectacular official letterhead from Sinclair and Sons: [Link: ow.ly...]
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lawhawk Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:48:30am |
Intel announces its 300 semifinalists in the Intel national science competition. These high schoolers are the future.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:50:27am |
re: #326 Obdicut
Mt Etna is exploding just a li'l.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
I hope it keeps explodin' just a li'l... with deference to human life, I don't need any major ash cloud disrupting air travel over the next 36 hours.
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Spocomptonite Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:55:35am |
I like how right-wing republicans are increasingly descending to the false dichotomy philosophy of, "If you aren't completely with me, then you are completely against me". Seriously, moderates != liberal. Independents != liberal. Fiscal conservatives who agree with separation of church and state != liberal. They are just alienating people right and left (pun intended) until the only people that remain are those as crazy as them or crazier.
Oh, and by 'like', I meant in a 'I laugh because otherwise I'd weep for our society' kind of way.
Anybody else catch the irony of PAMELA HARPY GELLAR saying of charles, "He adds nothing to the dialogue. He adds nothing to the discourse."?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 13, 2011 8:57:54am |
re: #326 Obdicut
Mt Etna is exploding just a li'l.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Sure, that's what THEY want you to think...just a natural occurrence with no alien involvement, no evil masterminds, no giant lasers or plutonium guns.
You just keep believing what you gotta to get through the day.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:01:38am |
News that not news to me...
U.S. jobless claims jumped to their highest level since October while food and energy costs boosted producer prices, pointing lingering headwinds for an economic recovery that had been showing renewed vigor.
[snip]
Despite the more positive outlook for growth in recent weeks, the job market still appeared to be struggling.
The number of Americans filing for first-time unemployment benefits rose unexpectedly to 445,000 from 410,000 in the prior week, the Labor Department said on Thursday. It was the biggest one-week jump in about six months, confounding analyst forecasts for a small drop to 405,000.
Confounding... can't they pick up a local newspaper, or listen to some news. A lot of retail has fired and/or laid off at the beginning of this month. I got laid off from Kroger. This morning, on the radio, I hear Yellow book is laying off, Quiznos (a Colorado based sandwich chain) is laying off, and there has been something new about firing and layoffs in Colorado every week since 1-1-2011.
Confounded... ?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:02:24am |
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Lidane Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:07:25am |
re: #330 Spocomptonite
They are just alienating people right and left (pun intended) until the only people that remain are those as crazy as them or crazier.
That's the whole point. It's an ideological purge. Get rid of the RINOs and the "liberals" and stick to the Real Americans™ who agree with you, creating an echo chamber of bad ideas all around.
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darthstar Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:10:22am |
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darthstar Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:11:36am |
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:13:54am |
“It’s political gamesmanship. The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?” he said. “For all the stuff they accuse her [Palin] of, that gun poster has not done a tenth of the damage to the political discourse as what we’re hearing right now.”
Pretzelism.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:15:12am |
re: #336 darthstar
the animated gif plays slowly at first, but it's worth waiting for...
No it wasn't.
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tradewind Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:16:15am |
O/T driveby:
This oughta be good. Coming sometime next week: The Onion goes live.
[Link: www.veryshortlist.com...]
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:16:55am |
re: #332 Walter L. Newton
Just got a txt msg from a coworker this morning. Rumor going around that we are looking at a possible 10% cut in the workforce. Nothing in the Corp. E-Mail about this (yet). Last round of layoffs they cut the full time senior employees. I dodged that bullet because my position was considered critical. Hope it still is. :-(
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tradewind Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:20:46am |
re: #336 darthstar
the animated gif plays slowly at first
Nothing animated about that gif. Let's just say it doesn't exactly floe./
Those are minutes you'll never get back.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:22:02am |
re: #341 tradewind
Nothing animated about that gif. Let's just say it doesn't exactly floe./
Those are minutes you'll never get back.
Well, I liked it. One does wonder what the polar bear did next, though.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:25:35am |
re: #340 Bubblehead II
Just got a txt msg from a coworker this morning. Rumor going around that we are looking at a possible 10% cut in the workforce. Nothing in the Corp. E-Mail about this (yet). Last round of layoffs they cut the full time senior employees. I dodged that bullet because my position was considered critical. Hope it still is. :-(
I was "new" to the retail grocery business this past year, I was a cashier at a Kroger store for 9 months. I started hearing in December about the yearly layoffs that happen a lot in retail, holidays are over, they cut the staff back.
I also hear from long time employees that our store manager usually was able to work on the hours, cut back some hours, shift some people around, push for people to take their vacations around this time of year, a number of tactics to fulfill the orders from corporate on cut hours, but without having to lay anyone off.
But last week, after what appeared to be the beginning of these yearly layoffs or hour cuts became a massacre. They laid off 11 people total. Once again, the long term employees tell me they have never seen something like this before. And it's evident that this was Kroger division wide, including the work force in the different HQ's.
I could get called back around Easter, which is typically when grocery retail picks back up.
I'm not going to worry right now too much. I have a paid and ready trip to Paris to start tomorrow, and I qualify for some of that unemployment stimulus. So, I'm going to probably be getting an unemployment check for a while. Because there's certainly no high tech jobs readily available. A high tech position around here is getting 500+ applicants per job.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:28:18am |
re: #157 Alouette
What about Host torture? (a variation on the Blood Libel was that Jews would steal sanctified communion wafers and then perform unspeakable atrocities upon them)
LOL ... whaaaaa?
Is that a real thing? It just sounds so ridiculous.
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avanti Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:30:13am |
Ed and AP have a bit of a revolt going on over at Hot Air. Ed especially is getting hit hard for praising Omaba's speech in a thread. They had better toe the line, or join the RINO crowd under the bus./ A tiny minority are grudgingly giving credit, but are getting beaten down.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:30:18am |
re: #340 Bubblehead II
Just got a txt msg from a coworker this morning. Rumor going around that we are looking at a possible 10% cut in the workforce. Nothing in the Corp. E-Mail about this (yet). Last round of layoffs they cut the full time senior employees. I dodged that bullet because my position was considered critical. Hope it still is. :-(
No one is immune... but I hope you're ok.
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:32:14am |
Jake Tapper is tweeting that Boehner did not attend a 'fundraiser' last night.
But he attended a reception for the House GOP members.
Straw Man or just being factual?
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:34:13am |
re: #346 Walter L. Newton
No one is immune... but I hope you're ok.
Well, I guess we (the Mrs. works there too) will find out tomorrow when we go to work if it's the real deal or just scuttlebutt.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:36:11am |
re: #348 Bubblehead II
Well, I guess we (the Mrs. works there too) will find out tomorrow when we go to work if it's the real deal or just scuttlebutt.
Fingers crossed... I'll be on travel tomorrow, but I'll check in from Europe... I'll remember, I want to know how it goes... ok?
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eastwald Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:37:33am |
"He now reviles the thing that he once was. You explain it." This is what thinking men do. They admit they were wrong about things in the past as more information/experiences become available. I was a somewhat of a racist idiot in high school - a lot of bad experiences put me in a bad way. But I learned it was bullshit. Idiots like Geller worship GW's "Stay the course" rhetoric, meaning they refuse to evolve.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:37:48am |
re: #344 Fozzie Bear
LOL ... whaaa?
Is that a real thing? It just sounds so ridiculous.
It's a real thing. (or rather a real libel)
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:41:45am |
Heh, it appears Palin's E-mail snoop is going to prison after all.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:44:08am |
re: #349 Walter L. Newton
Will do. If I end up joining the ranks of the unemployed you Guys/Gals will be seeing a whole lot more of me here.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:44:56am |
Today started out great......Then I thought I'd listen to Rush!
I regret that decision......
I listen to him on occasion and it's ..ah...informitive and entertaining
but today it just fuc&^% pissed me off!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:45:06am |
re: #353 Bubblehead II
Will do. If I end up joining the ranks of the unemployed you Guys/Gals will be seeing a whole lot more of me here.
That's why they have had to put up with so much more of me over the last two weeks.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:47:01am |
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Yashmak Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:47:13am |
I just love that he put in a quote from Pamela Geller to support his assertion. He probably thinks it reinforces his view.
Hah.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:49:10am |
re: #356 Killgore Trout
Wow...they really do have a GUN problem in Tucson!!
Look at the size of those F'ing holes!!
....Howitzer??? LOL
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:50:09am |
Boehner Didn't Really Snub Obama, Giffords Rally
House Speaker John Boehner is catching a lot of flack for missing last night's memorial service in Tucson, reportedly declining an Air Force One invitation from President Obama in order to slap backs and clink glasses at an RNC event.
But a look at the timeline of events paints Boehner in a better light.
Hm... TPM's article may have credence. I still think he should have been in Tucson.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:50:17am |
re: #354 reloadingisnotahobby
Today started out great...Then I thought I'd listen to Rush!
I regret that decision...
I listen to him on occasion and it's ..ah...informitive and entertaining
but today it just fuc&^% pissed me off!
I hope his listenership continues to decline.
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:52:52am |
re: #345 avanti
Ed and AP have a bit of a revolt going on over at Hot Air. Ed especially is getting hit hard for praising Omaba's speech in a thread. They had better toe the line, or join the RINO crowd under the bus./ A tiny minority are grudgingly giving credit, but are getting beaten down.
Just when I thought it couldn't get more revolting over there...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:53:03am |
Lots of activity on twitter about Boehner not attending the Tuscon event last night. Meh, I'm glad I didn't have to listen to him.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Jan 13, 2011 9:55:10am |
I don't think I'll watch/litsen or read the news till ...Tuesday.....
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Daniel Ballard Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:03:22am |
re: #362 Killgore Trout
I'd still like to sort out if the slams are BS, as indicated at TPM. Not that I trust that sight a lot, but the truth is hard to discern here.
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:05:52am |
The new meme is 'rhetoric has always been this bad' supported by conflating merely outlandish or nasty rhetoric with actual violent/gun imagery.
It's not the same thing.
I saw somebody equivocate James J Lee (Discovery shooter whacked on AGW/population) being primed by Al Gore as comparison. I replied Gore has never made any comments about '2nd Amendment remedies).
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Killgore Trout Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:06:54am |
re: #365 HAL2010
Any idea why he wasn't present?
He went to a fundraiser or policy meeter or something in DC instead. I don't think he was required or even expected to attend the AZ thing. He might not even have been invited. I don't see any reason for him to be there.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:07:45am |
re: #367 Killgore Trout
He went to a fundraiser or policy meeter or something in DC instead. I don't think he was required or even expected to attend the AZ thing. He might not even have been invited. I don't see any reason for him to be there.
From what I've heard he was invited, and the reason for him to be there is probably the same reason he decided to turn down the offer... it would have made Obama's speech look bipartisan...
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:08:58am |
re: #366 BigPapa
The new meme is 'rhetoric has always been this bad' supported by conflating merely outlandish or nasty rhetoric with actual violent/gun imagery.
It's not the same thing.
I saw somebody equivocate James J Lee (Discovery shooter whacked on AGW/population) being primed by Al Gore as comparison. I replied Gore has never made any comments about '2nd Amendment remedies).
Miss M.B. Fairy has blisters...
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jamesfirecat Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:09:20am |
re: #367 Killgore Trout
He went to a fundraiser or policy meeter or something in DC instead. I don't think he was required or even expected to attend the AZ thing. He might not even have been invited. I don't see any reason for him to be there.
Also here 's the proof that he was invited...
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
Or just google search for the word s(Bohner Turns down offer Tucson) and you'll see more proof of it...
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:11:24am |
re: #367 Killgore Trout
He went to a fundraiser or policy meeter or something in DC instead. I don't think he was required or even expected to attend the AZ thing. He might not even have been invited. I don't see any reason for him to be there.
Roll Call reported that he was to head up social function for the new House GOP, and somewhat significant event for him in his position. They also reported the was 'offered a seat on Air Force 1' going to Tucson.
I don't think this is serious offense but it would have been good for him to go to Tucson, even if not to give a speech.
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Gus Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:11:49am |
re: #363 reloadingisnotahobby
I don't think I'll watch/litsen or read the news till ...Tuesday...
Hush, hush. Even downtown, voices carry.
/
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Big Steve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:13:02am |
re: #370 wrenchwench
Miss M.B. Fairy has blisters...
I thought we decided yesterday that the Magic Balance Fairy was gender neutral.
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Gus Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:13:53am |
re: #367 Killgore Trout
He went to a fundraiser or policy meeter or something in DC instead. I don't think he was required or even expected to attend the AZ thing. He might not even have been invited. I don't see any reason for him to be there.
Meh. He didn't go. I'm sure if he went some people would have complained about what he said. No big deal. Jan Brewer was there to speak for the Republican Party.
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KronoGhazi Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:14:16am |
re: #370 wrenchwench
Miss M.B. Fairy has blisters...
MB Fairy is working harder than Palin, Obama, and Breitbart combined. All for no pay!
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wrenchwench Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:14:57am |
re: #374 Big Steve
I thought we decided yesterday that the Magic Balance Fairy was gender neutral.
I missed the memo.
What's the gender neutral honorific? Misster?
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:15:32am |
re: #364 Rightwingconspirator
I'd still like to sort out if the slams are BS, as indicated at TPM. Not that I trust that sight a lot, but the truth is hard to discern here.
I don't think TPM is going out of it's way to carry water for Boehner. It would appear that Boehner had prior engagements, and he just couldn't go. Maybe he should have cancelled them, but I think it would be best to just give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:16:21am |
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Big Steve Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:16:58am |
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:18:56am |
re: #378 Fozzie Bear
I don't think TPM is going out of it's way to carry water for Boehner. It would appear that Boehner had prior engagements, and he just couldn't go. Maybe he should have cancelled them, but I think it would be best to just give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
I mean, keep in mind the reason Boehner stayed behind was to attend a vigil in DC.
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Gus Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:19:44am |
"President undercuts federal charge for judge's murder!!11ty"
That almost got top billing at the Fudge Report.
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tigger2005 Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:20:35am |
Now, articles about Congresswoman Giffords opening her eyes are getting nasty comments from wicked pathetic little trolls.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:22:49am |
We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder
First Trent Humphries, co-founder of Tucson's Tea Party plays victim:
"A nine-year-old girl lies in the morgue. A member of Congress faces a lifetime of struggle to recover from a bullet in the brain. A city is bracing itself for a string of funerals as it tries to fathom the carnage.
But Trent Humphries says there is another innocent victim left by Jared Lee Loughner's killing of six people and wounding of 14 others in his assassination attempt against Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. It is his Tea Party movement and, more particularly, his family. The killings, he says, are evolving into a conspiracy to destroy his organisation and silence criticism of the government."
Then he plays the blame game:
"Pressed on whether he was concerned when he heard Giffords's warning about Palin's use of gunsights and calls for supporters not to retreat but "reload" in fighting Democrats, Humphries did not retreat. "It's political gamesmanship. The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?" he said. "For all the stuff they accuse her [Palin] of, that gun poster has not done a tenth of the damage to the political discourse as what we're hearing right now. There are people who are genuinely confused, scared, and I understand it. But there are also people who are deliberately manipulating this event and tragedy for political ends.""
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:25:33am |
re: #383 Fozzie Bear
A "big" vigil (for lack of a better word) or a vigil at his house?
If it was a "big" one (again, for lack of a better word) maybe they wanted someone important there, too.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:26:18am |
We are going through a period of rapid cultural change. The internet has brought massive social upheaval as millions of people are just starting to take part in it.
I think what we are seeing now is the culture adapting to this new reality, and I think it is inevitable that it will be a sloppy process. Eventually, even old people will understand the concept of trolling, and people will just learn to dismiss asshats without getting as upset.
We are only a decade or two into a massive change in the way we communicate as a culture.
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Amory Blaine Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:30:36am |
re: #378 Fozzie Bear
I don't think TPM is going out of it's way to carry water for Boehner. It would appear that Boehner had prior engagements, and he just couldn't go. Maybe he should have cancelled them, but I think it would be best to just give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Sometime those tanning vouchers have expiration dates(or so I've heard).//
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Jan 13, 2011 10:39:40am |
re: #153 Alouette
Yes, I have seen that information. Sergey has posted that the "Jewish" anti-Semite known as Israel Shamir has been very active in reviving the Blood Libel. I think the Hasidic group of which I am a member is supposed to be deeply involved in this seekrit ritual.
Don't you just hate it when anti-Semites know more about what's going on in your shul basement than you do?
//
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 16, 2011 2:55:29am |
re: #153 Alouette
Yes, I have seen that information. Sergey has posted that the "Jewish" anti-Semite known as Israel Shamir has been very active in reviving the Blood Libel. I think the Hasidic group of which I am a member is supposed to be deeply involved in this seekrit ritual.
Note that Shamir is the least of it. The link I posted was about the so-called "letter of 500" (later - "letter of 5000") - the letter urging the ban on Judaism and Jewish organizations in Russia. As one item they had this "Jewish sect uses blood" libel. Many of the signatories are quite prominent, part of the Russian nationalist+"patriotic" intelligentsia, some members of Duma even (e.g. some prominent Communists). And the prosecutors' office refused to prosecute the author of the letter on specious grounds, refusing even to classify the letter as antisemitic (an expert wrote that the author was merely expressing himself according to the Orthodox Christian worldview (!)).
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