Wingnut Blogger Jim Hoft Mistakes Closed Caption for Applause Prompt at Tucson Memorial

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Just when you think popular right wing blogger Jim “Dim” Hoft (Gateway Pundit) couldn’t possibly post anything more stupid than his last post, he finds a way to take it to the next level of numbskullitude.

Today’s entry in the “Hoft Chronicles of Sheer Stoopit” has him trying to claim that the White House prompted the audience to applaud at the “Together We Thrive” memorial (with his usual taste and class, Hoft calls it a “pep rally”): If White House Was Surprised by Applause at Tucson Pep Rally… Why Did They Ask For It On Jumbotron?

Since Hoft likes to float these smears and then delete them when it finally sinks through his dense cranial matter that they make him look like an idiot, here’s a screenshot:

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that they were surprised by the applause at the memorial pep rally on Wednesday for the victims of the Tucson shootings.

I will say that I read the speech several times and thought that there wouldn’t be a lot of applause if any. I think many of us thought that. But I think there was a celebration, again, of the lives of those who had been impacted. Not just at that grocery store but throughout the country. And I think that, if that is part of the healing process, then that’s a good thing.

Oh really?
Then why was it printed on the Jumbotron?

That’s right. Hoft doesn’t understand that he’s looking at the closed captioning for deaf audience members.

Can I get a facepalm?

UPDATE at 1/15/11 12:55:47 pm

Remember when Powerline delinked LGF — and added Jim Hoft and Andrew Breitbart to their blogroll instead?

GP’s Jim Hoft is an indefatigable source of political news. He deploys exclamation points like the ancient Greeks scattered particles in their speech for emphasis.

Ah, good times.

UPDATE at 1/15/11 1:00:59 pm

And it gets better, because the other dim bulbs of the wingnut blogosphere are now co-signing Hoft’s post.

Pamela “Shrieking Harpy” Geller: “TOGETHER WE WRITHE”: OBAMA MAKING HIS BONES ON THE BONES OF THE DEAD

Doug Ross: White House: we were shocked that Tucson memorial crowd hooted and hollered throughout because our APPLAUSE signs were actually quite discrete

UPDATE at 1/15/11 2:24:01 pm

And now, of course, it’s at Pajamas Media.

Pretty soon Newt Gingrich will be calling for an investigation.

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231 comments
1 Locker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:27:01am

What a fucking idiot.

2 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:29:51am

bwaahahaaaaaahhaahaa .... and to think I used to have this dimwit in my sidebar. What was I smoking?

3 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:30:12am

That's really funny, actually.

Does Hoft also think all those people who wear FDNY hats are members of the New York Fire Department?

4 elizajane  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:33:24am

Wingnuts are not programmed to think in terms of the needs and perspectives of others, especially those who are--by their own definition--somehow lesser. The poor, the disabled. Their point of view does not compute.
So of course Hoft would never have contemplated the function of closed captioning.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:33:43am

[Random muttering]

[Snickering sounds]

[Freezer opening; sound of small running feet to see if it's ice cream]

I've been amazed at the variety of sounds described on closed captioning.

6 Lidane  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:33:46am

We need to start a charity for Hoft, raising money to get him the full library of Dummies books, Cliff's Notes, and as many crash helmets as we can afford.

It's unfortunate that someone so dim has to struggle so much to get through the day.

7 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:34:16am

I got a joke for Hoft.

Q: Why do farts stink?

A: For the benefit of the deaf.

Get it?

Someone want to explain it to him?

8 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:34:28am

Epic fail!

[applause]

9 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:34:55am

Some of his readers seem to be giving it the 'it's a closed caption for the deaf, but I still want to hate on Obama' interpretation.

It looks like closed captioning to me, but it really doesn’t matter. That was a tasteless 2012 campaign kickoff.

10 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:36:03am

Of course it really helped the scales fall from my eyes as I watched all of these supposedly "just conservative but passionate" bloggers flee to religious sites after the PJM implosion.

11 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:39:21am

re: #10 Thanos

Of course it really helped the scales fall from my eyes as I watched all of these supposedly "just conservative but passionate" bloggers flee to religious sites after the PJM implosion.

Hoft is no longer at First Things. I wonder if he got to be too much even for them?

12 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:39:30am

When you're bound and determined to politicize a memorial service, making shit up is no obstacle.

13 avanti  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:42:29am

OMG, even YouTube is telling us when to applaud Obama/:

Youtube Video
14 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:44:11am

re: #13 avanti

OMG, even YouTube is telling us when to applaud Obama/:

[Video]

What Jim Hoft saw:

Youtube Video
15 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:45:29am

re: #9 jaunte

Some of his readers seem to be giving it the 'it's a closed caption for the deaf, but I still want to hate on Obama' interpretation.

Because it is so "tasteless" to provide closed captioning for the deaf.

Why should they know what Obama's saying if they had the poor taste to not be able to hear?

16 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:47:17am

All those pundit blogs. All those self appointed experts. Dozens, maybe hundreds. And yet the good ones, well worth reading can be counted on one hand. Oh, the glorious internet. Zuckerman understands where the web needs to go. But will it follow?

17 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:47:41am

What an idiot. The sad thing is that there are other idiots buying into this stupidity.

Image: 5353177090_515d192705_b.jpg

18 BryanS  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:48:13am

I happened to have close caption on while looking at the speech on PBS while listening to something else--looks exactly like the same CC feed broadcast live. But yeah, the idea that Obama would be so pretentious as to add applause directions to the audience is a pretty absurd assertion. It would be so exceptionally cynical, especially considering the perfect tone the president took on his speech. This assertion by Hoft is a perfect example of partisan blinders distorting reality.

19 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:49:46am

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

All those pundit blogs. All those self appointed experts. Dozens, maybe hundreds. And yet the good ones, well worth reading can be counted on one hand. Oh, the glorious internet. Zuckerman Zuckerberg understands where the web needs to go. But will it follow?

20 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:50:19am

Constantly being on the alert for outrage possibilities has got to eventually twist your perception to the point where it's not a reliable guide.

21 avanti  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:52:06am

re: #17 Gus 802

What an idiot. The sad thing is that there are other idiots buying into this stupidity.

Image: 5353177090_515d192705_b.jpg

The skeptics tried to say even the deaf could see the clapping and feel the vibrations. You see, apparently the deaf have Super-vision/feeling since many reading the CC were not even in the hall./

22 recusancy  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:55:15am

re: #19 Rightwingconspirator

So you want the web to follow Zuckerberg?

23 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:57:48am

Closed Captioning: President Obama's Remarks on New Law

...

So today, we’re here to take two more steps on that journey. First of all, on Tuesday, I signed Rosa’s Law. This is named for a nine-year-old girl, right there -- Rosa, wave to everybody. (Applause.) That's some good waving there, Rosa. (Laughter.)

...

He tells them when to applause AND laugh!!11ty

24 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:58:50am

Well the difference between Cause and Effect can be difficult to decipher for those with minimal I.Q. levels and/or cognitive abilities. This would seem to be one of those instances, he is simply confusing Closed Captioning with a Teleprompter, completely understandable, for someone with a predisposition to find fault with Obama's speech who is also a bit...err..."dim."

/My God what an idiot...

25 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:59:53am

re: #24 ausador

"Obama lays trap for Gateway Pundit
by Inviting Deaf People to Memorial Service."

26 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:01:49pm

re: #22 recusancy

I like his concept of increased personal connectivity and especially reduced anonymity. I happen to think that is the superior vision for the overall direction. His commercial model may be too intrusive too willing to exploit person data for money.

27 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:01:50pm

A conversation on Facebook:

#
Thomas

BUSTED, AGAIN:

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that they were surprised by the applause at the memorial pep rally on Wednesday for the victims of the Tucson shootings.

"I will say that I read the speech several times and thought that there wouldn’t be a lot of applause if any. I think many of us thought that. But I think there was a celebration, again, of the lives of those who had been impacted. Not just at that grocery store but throughout the country. And I think that, if that is part of the healing process, then that’s a good thing."

Oh really?

Then why was it printed on the Jumbotron?
about an hour ago
#
Diane
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOOWOWOWOOW!!!!!!!!!!!
about an hour ago
#
Thomas
Save the pic before it disappears folks
about an hour ago
#
Diane
Im sure it will get scrubbed.
about an hour ago
#
Donna
Why would anyone expect this administration to start telling the truth now? Compulsive lying must be contagious, among liberals.

Oh yeah. That's at the Fox News Facebook page.

28 blueraven  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:07:03pm

A commenter from the gatweay pundit article


#44 January 15, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Marsh commented:

Deaf people don’t need to be told that thousands of people are vigorously clapping right next to them. They can feel the vibrations and see it.

FacePalm!

29 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:07:55pm

re: #27 Gus 802

Yup, they Foxed it all up. (Foxed it up as the fu%*ed it up.)

30 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:09:37pm

Jason Matera Re-Tweets!

JasonMattera Jason Mattera
RT @gatewaypundit: IF WHITE HOUSE WAS SURPRISED by Applause at Tucson Pep Rally… Why Was It Printed On Jumbotron?

Dumb and dumber.

31 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:12:07pm

in these rather somber times, Hoft rises above it all and provides a bit of amusement...well, that's one way to look at it

32 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:13:20pm

re: #30 Gus 802

Jason Matera Re-Tweets!

Dumb and dumber.

voters...aren't they hilarious?

33 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:14:24pm

re: #32 albusteve

voters...aren't they hilarious?

I'm trying to figure out how one prints something on a jumbotron. The correct word would be displayed.

34 charlz  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:14:33pm

re: #31 albusteve

in these rather somber times, Hoft rises above it all and provides a bit of amusement...well, that's one way to look at it

[Laughter]

35 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:14:53pm

re: #34 charlz

[Laughter]

[Applause]

36 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:15:03pm

[Cries]

37 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:15:19pm

[Sound of explosion]

38 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:18:37pm

re: #33 Gus 802

F*cking Jumbotrons, how do they work?

39 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:20:05pm

re: #33 Gus 802

I'm trying to figure out how one prints something on a jumbotron. The correct word would be displayed.

amongst the levers and dials hidden inside BOs podium is a small keyboard, an auxiliary to the pre-printed words which he can either add to or delete as he speaks

40 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:20:31pm

re: #38 jaunte

F*cking Jumbotrons, how do they work?

lots of hamsters

41 Summer Seale  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:20:41pm

Foghorn Leghorn: "Thaht boayh...I say, that boayh is as duuumb as a stump...."

42 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:30:24pm

A Tunisia link dump...

Tunisia's military putting boot on 'Jasmine Revolution'


The feel is very much that of a military takeover. It's hard to catch a whiff of what is being called the Jasmine Revolution.

The videos being posted on youtube seem to back that up. Much of the conflict seems to be between police and military...
Army arresting police chief in Oued Ellil Sidi bouzid Tunisia

Youtube Video

regarding wikileaks...
Social Media Didn't Oust Tunisia's President — The Tunisian People Did

This isn't about Facebook, or Wikileaks, or Twitter — it's about the people of Tunisia being fed up with decades of marginalization at the hands of a Western-backed kleptocracy, and taking charge of their own future. Among the issues that brought about the events of the last month: Low wages, few job prospects for a growing educated class, high food prices, and a heavy-handed government lead by former President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. Did social media have an effect on events in Tunisia? Undoubtedly, yes. Is this a social media revolution? Absolutely not.

Here's a media report with man on the street interviews.

Youtube Video

No mention of wikileaks, facebook or twitter. The fruit vendor who set himself on fire last month sparked this. I doubt he had an internet connection.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:30:44pm

That's not a direction, Jim. That's a description.

44 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:32:21pm

Afternoon Honcos.

45 Peter Kaufman  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:32:23pm

I honestly don't know which offends me more, the stupidity or the venality.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:32:33pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

[Random muttering]

[Snickering sounds]

[Freezer opening; sound of small running feet to see if it's ice cream]

I've been amazed at the variety of sounds described on closed captioning.

I mentioned earlier that a few Olympics ago, I saw a group of athletes described on closed captioning as the 'hung Aryan swim team'. I imagine that a few deaf sports lovers did exactly what I did, and glanced apprehensively at their Speedos before translating the phrase mentally.

47 Lidane  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:32:56pm

re: #45 petercow

I honestly don't know which offends me more, the stupidity or the venality.

Both, because they bleed down to the rest of us if that Facebook thread is any indication.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:33:19pm

re: #9 jaunte

Some of his readers seem to be giving it the 'it's a closed caption for the deaf, but I still want to hate on Obama' interpretation.

You can hate on Obama, I just want you to understand that the Jumbotron wasn't giving orders...

49 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:33:27pm

re: #45 petercow

I honestly don't know which offends me more, the stupidity or the venality.

Jim Hoft offends you?...seriously?

50 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:34:49pm

AP news text on my phone: Gabrielle Giffords has been taken off the respirator.

51 otoc  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:35:46pm
That’s right. Hoft doesn’t understand that he’s looking at the closed captioning for deaf audience members.

Can I get a facepalm?

My opinion of Hoft's hypothesis and gif for the original facepalm example in one...
Image: it1vntjmob.gif

52 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:36:13pm

re: #50 Charles

AP news text on my phone: Gabrielle Giffords has been taken off the respirator.

Yay! Now she can talk. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to be unable to talk until now.

53 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:36:45pm

re: #50 Charles
That is wonderful news. :)

54 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:36:56pm

re: #50 Charles

AP news text on my phone: Gabrielle Giffords has been taken off the respirator.

Wow. Amazing recovery.

55 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:37:49pm

re: #25 jaunte

"Obama lays trap for Gateway Pundit
by Inviting Deaf People to Memorial Service."

Didn't you know? Real Merikins® are virile/fertile and perfect in every way, with no physical defects or deficiencies. Therefore, any deaf people in the audience must be godless Commie bastards, unworthy of respect or civility...

///dripping

56 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:38:05pm

re: #50 Charles

AP news text on my phone: Gabrielle Giffords has been taken off the respirator.

excellent news, and a huge step in her recovery....I'll bet she's ecstatic to be off that damned thing, the ultimately worst, most irritating device to be hooked up to....bravo for her!

57 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:38:55pm

re: #41 Summer

Foghorn Leghorn: "Thaht boayh...I say, that boayh is as duuumb as a stump..."

Sharp as a bag full of wet mice...

58 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:39:39pm

Any minute now Jim Hoft will realize his mistake and post a retraction.

59 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:39:59pm

re: #55 talon_262

Didn't you know? Real Merikins® are virile/fertile and perfect in every way, with no physical defects or deficiencies. Therefore, any deaf people in the audience must be godless Commie bastards, unworthy of respect or civility...

///dripping

Except of course for Limbaugh, with his cochlear implant....Perfected by God's science, I'm sure.

60 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:40:13pm

[crickets]

61 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:41:15pm

re: #58 Gus 802

Any minute now Jim Hoft will realize his mistake and post a retraction.

*tumbleweeds roll slowly past*

62 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:41:37pm

re: #61 talon_262

*tumbleweeds roll slowly past*

[sound of wind]

63 otoc  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:42:50pm

re: #50 Charles

AP news text on my phone: Gabrielle Giffords has been taken off the respirator.


Thanks!

I share all the comments and wishes mentioned above ( to this post) and hope that she comes back as she was in minimal time.

64 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:43:17pm

re: #62 Gus 802

[sound of wind]

[an eagle screams from 2,000 feet overhead]

65 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:44:13pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

[an eagle screams from 2,000 feet overhead]

CUT!...PRINT IT!

66 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:44:20pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

[an eagle screams from 2,000 feet overhead]

Scientist: "We are now able to hear inside Jim Hoft's mind."

[STATIC]

67 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:45:02pm

re: #66 Gus 802

Scientist: "We are now able to hear inside Jim Hoft's mind."

[STATIC]

Youtube Video
68 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:45:06pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Yay! Now she can talk. I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to be unable to talk until now.

Oops, maybe not. She got a tracheotomy. Can one speak with one of those?

69 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:45:20pm

re: #64 wrenchwench

*sleeping lizard opens one eye*

70 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:46:11pm

Giffords is still in critical condition, though. Not out of the woods yet.

71 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:46:35pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

Oops, maybe not. She got a tracheotomy. Can one speak with one of those?

if you cover it, I think so...at least in the old days

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:46:37pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

Oops, maybe not. She got a tracheotomy. Can one speak with one of those?

You can, it's a little hard to understand. They've got electronic thingies that help.

73 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:47:02pm

re: #67 Gus 802

[Video]

Alternate:

Youtube Video
74 Mentis Fugit  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:47:07pm

re: #62 Gus 802

[sound of wind]

Oops, beg pardon. That was me.

75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:47:38pm

Tracheotomy is actually mild compared to what they did to relieve the brain swelling. They cut out a portion of her skull.

76 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:49:23pm

re: #75 Charles

Tracheotomy is actually mild compared to what they did to relieve the brain swelling. They cut out a portion of her skull.

I haven't read details of her case, but in others I've read that they "store" that part of the skull elsewhere in the body to put back later.

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:49:27pm

re: #75 Charles

Tracheotomy is actually mild compared to what they did to relieve the brain swelling. They cut out a portion of her skull.

IIRC, they can put in her abdomen then put it back. I wanna say surgens did that with some soldiers.

78 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:50:18pm

re: #75 Charles

Tracheotomy is actually mild compared to what they did to relieve the brain swelling. They cut out a portion of her skull.

True. In other cases like that I've read that they place it in the abdomen in a "subcutaneous pouch". That's what they did with Roy Horn after he was attacked by a tiger.

79 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:50:22pm

re: #11 Charles

Hoft is no longer at First Things. I wonder if he got to be too much even for them?

That very well could be Charles, of course bile boy constantly tripping over his superlative hyperbole probably did not help his own cause there.

80 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:51:35pm

re: #78 Gus 802

True. In other cases like that I've read that they place it in the abdomen in a "subcutaneous pouch". That's what they did with Roy Horn after he was attacked by a tiger.

In Giffords's case:

They expect to leave that portion of the skull off for a month or two.
81 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:51:41pm

Here is an article from The Wall Street Journal. It comes from earlier today. [Link: online.wsj.com...]

82 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:55:59pm

Remember when Powerline delinked LGF -- and added Jim Hoft and Andrew Breitbart to their blogroll instead? Ah, good times.

83 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:57:05pm

Image: 4d2ca97be273d.image.jpg

84 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 12:59:12pm

re: #78 Gus 802

True. In other cases like that I've read that they place it in the abdomen in a "subcutaneous pouch". That's what they did with Roy Horn after he was attacked by a tiger.

it's bone, they probably freeze it

85 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:00:36pm

re: #84 albusteve
A co-workers son had to have pieces of his skull removed and it was frozen so that it could be put back in his head.

86 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:01:11pm

And it gets better, because the other dim bulbs of the wingnut blogosphere are now jumping on Hoft's post.

Pamela "Shrieking Harpy" Geller: "TOGETHER WE WRITHE": OBAMA MAKING HIS BONES ON THE BONES OF THE DEAD

Doug Ross: White House: we were shocked that Tucson memorial crowd hooted and hollered throughout because our APPLAUSE signs were actually quite discrete

87 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:01:34pm

re: #84 albusteve

it's bone, they probably freeze it

They can do either procedure. Although from my quick reading it looks like an abdominal pouch can present complications in the abdomen in some patients.

88 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:02:57pm

Deep-freeze preservation of cranial bones for future cranioplasty: nine years of experience in Soroka University Medical Center

Subjects and methods

Sixty-eight patients underwent decompressive craniectomies since 1996. A protocol was designed to prepare the removed bone flaps for deep freeze preservation. After removal, the bone flaps were transferred to the skin bank at our institution within 6 h, gently rinsed using 1–3 liters of sterile saline (0.9% NaCl) supplemented with antibiotics (neomycin, 2 mM) with no dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO), then flaps were wrapped in two layers of sterile plastic coverage and preserved at −80°C.

89 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:03:13pm

re: #87 Gus 802

They can do either procedure. Although from my quick reading it looks like an abdominal pouch can present complications in the abdomen in some patients.

that may be a better solution for soft tissue....the old ear in the belly trick, but any thing can cause complications, you never know

90 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:03:25pm

re: #82 Charles

Remember when Powerline delinked LGF -- and added Jim Hoft and Andrew Breitbart to their blogroll instead? Ah, good times.

Their statement is hysterical.

We have slightly updated our blogroll for the first time time in a long time. We have deleted Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs. We long ago stopped reading LGF Suffice it to say (suffice it for me to say, anyway) that Charles's political inclinations and interests intellect now diverge widely from our own.

At the same time we welcome Gateway Pundit and Big Hollywood. GP's Jim Hoft is an indefatigable source of political news. He deploys exclamation points like the ancient Greeks scattered particles in their speech for emphasis. Big Hollywood is doing important work to inject diversity and political smarts to the world of popular culture. Introducing the site this past January, Andrew Breitbart described it as a big group blog that features hundreds of the big minds from the fields of politics, journalism, entertainment and culture. Big Hollywood's modest objective: to change the entertainment industry. I have found it both instructive and entertaining.

I had to fix it just a little.

91 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:04:24pm

re: #85 PhillyPretzel

A co-workers son had to have pieces of his skull removed and it was frozen so that it could be put back in his head.

yup, using tiny brackets and screws

92 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:05:06pm

All of this made-up bullshit that this guy propagates makes me wonder how long it will be until he becomes a truther.

93 bratwurst  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:07:23pm

I love the implication that the crowd in attendance at the memorial were SO stupid that they couldn't help themselves but to applaud when prompted to do so.

94 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:08:26pm

re: #92 000G

All of this made-up bullshit that this guy propagates makes me wonder how long it will be until he becomes a truther.

Had Sept 11 happened with a Democrat in the White House, every last one of them would be truthers. Their hatred for liberals, Democrats, and government would demand no less.

95 steve_davis  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:08:26pm

re: #32 albusteve

voters...aren't they hilarious?

I'm reminded of that glorious line from Dumb and Dumber when the one guy shows up on a motorized scooter after having, as I recall, managed to burn the car down in a gas-station accident: "Just when I think you can't possibly do anything more stupid, you do something like this....and completely redeem yourself!"

96 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:09:39pm

re: #93 bratwurst
I guess his television does not have a mute button. If I use the mute button after a few minutes the closed captioning comes up.

97 Lidane  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:09:44pm

re: #94 Renaissance_Man

Had Sept 11 happened with a Democrat in the White House, every last one of them would be truthers. Their hatred for liberals, Democrats, and government would demand no less.

Pretty much. It's a sad state of affairs.

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:10:05pm

re: #94 Renaissance_Man

Had Sept 11 happened with a Democrat in the White House, every last one of them would be truthers. Their hatred for liberals, Democrats, and government would demand no less.

Well, Andrew Napolitano and Geraldo Rivera have come out of the closet… the libertarian extremism that the Right has invited for reinforcement after their oustings of '06 and '08 has grown some very strange fruit in their ranks, for sure.

99 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:12:17pm

"you a hater?"
"yeah, baby....what's new?, give me the skinny"

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:12:26pm

re: #93 bratwurst

I love the implication that the crowd in attendance at the memorial were SO stupid that they couldn't help themselves but to applaud when prompted to do so.

Obama had their loved ones under armed guard at a FEMA facility. You'd clap too.

101 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:13:09pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

T-shirts soaked with a LSD-derivative that causes euphoria.

102 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:16:57pm

Here is the latest from The Wall Street Journal about Giffords. [Link: online.wsj.com...]

103 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:17:05pm

Has John McCain decided to stop being such a complete asshole?

I disagree with many of the president's policies, but I believe he is a patriot sincerely intent on using his time in office to advance our country's cause. I reject accusations that his policies and beliefs make him unworthy to lead America or opposed to its founding ideals.


RHINO!!!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

104 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:17:42pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

Their statement is hysterical.

We have slightly updated our blogroll for the first time time in a long time. We have deleted Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs. We long ago stopped reading LGF Suffice it to say (suffice it for me to say, anyway) that Charles's political inclinations and interests intellect now diverge widely from our own.
At the same time we welcome Gateway Pundit and Big Hollywood. GP's Jim Hoft is an indefatigable source of political news. He deploys exclamation points like the ancient Greeks scattered particles in their speech for emphasis. Big Hollywood is doing important work to inject diversity and political smarts to the world of popular culture. Introducing the site this past January, Andrew Breitbart described it as a big group blog that features hundreds of the big minds from the fields of politics, journalism, entertainment and culture. Big Hollywood's modest objective: to change the entertainment industry. I have found it both instructive and entertaining.

I had to fix it just a little.

Oh, Powerline...you make me laugh!

/the stupid, it burns!

105 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:18:29pm

If you post there about the idiocy of this statement, it goes down the memory hole pretty quick.

What a pussy.

106 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:21:22pm

re: #84 albusteve

it's bone, they probably freeze it

That's what I heard about 4 days ago. It sounds gross, but most medical procedures sound that way to me (one reason why I didn't go into medicine).

re: #93 bratwurst

I love the implication that the crowd in attendance at the memorial were SO stupid that they couldn't help themselves but to applaud when prompted to do so.

Well, you know it is with them collig kids and perfessurs. Damn stupid godless Commie f****t baby-killers, all of 'em.

I hate applause signs and laugh tracks. I am not so stupid as to need someone to tell me when to applaud and when to laugh. If it deserves applause, I'll applaud; if it's funny, I'll laugh.

I suppose that when you're a reactionary like Hoft and his ilk, you want the people to be easily led and manipulated. That way, they'll not only do exactly what you want, but they'll also be as stupid as their leaders.

107 JosephNobles  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:23:38pm

Closed captioner here. I was actually captioning this event for one of our clients, but these aren't my captions (I can tell by line placement). However, the university has a public access channel they call UATV 3, and I'll bet that the TV feed is being simulcast for the crowd. We know that the event was being fed into another room for the overflow crowd. Anyway, the captioning is mainly for the benefit of the TV crowd, but it's been turned on for the overflow and main room's benefit as well.

That's all this is. It's not proscriptive, it's descriptive. Our standards are to indicate applause when you can see the cameras don't cut away and the audience could see applause. However, sometimes you're just working on an audio feed and you don't know what the audience can see, so you just describe everything you hear. Other companies may send [APPLAUSE] whether the audience can see it or not. Standards are different.

Regardless, this is a hypothesis in search of evidence to support it, regardless of whether or not the evidence is real or not. I tried pointing this out over at Gateway Pundit, but they pulled several 9/11 Truth tricks out of the hat - finding out "incriminating" evidence about me, licking their wounds by asserting other fact-free evidence of Obama skulduggery, etc. The bottom line is they are going to believe what they want and hang all evidence to the contrary.

108 Randall Gross  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:24:03pm

Gangs of thugs loyal to the tyrant who fled are now shooting people in the streets in Tunisia

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

109 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:24:18pm

Viewing a decompressive craniectomy procedure is not for the meek that's for sure. Reverse of that is a cranioplasty.

110 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:24:59pm

re: #109 Gus 802

Viewing a decompressive craniectomy procedure is not for the meek that's for sure. Reverse of that is a cranioplasty.

Those are Wikipedia links so don't worry about seeing anything you might not be able to handle.

111 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:26:49pm

re: #106 ClaudeMonet

That's what I heard about 4 days ago. It sounds gross, but most medical procedures sound that way to me (one reason why I didn't go into medicine).

re: #93 bratwurst

Well, you know it is with them collig kids and perfessurs. Damn stupid godless Commie f***t baby-killers, all of 'em.

I hate applause signs and laugh tracks. I am not so stupid as to need someone to tell me when to applaud and when to laugh. If it deserves applause, I'll applaud; if it's funny, I'll laugh.

I suppose that when you're a reactionary like Hoft and his ilk, you want the people to be easily led and manipulated. That way, they'll not only do exactly what you want, but they'll also be as stupid as their leaders.

image trumps your intelligence...creating a favorable reality is 90% of politics, that's another reason why I disdain most pols....phony as a 3 dollar bill

112 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:27:19pm

re: #107 JosephNobles

Welcome, hatchling.

113 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:28:10pm

re: #108 Thanos

Gangs of thugs loyal to the tyrant who fled are now shooting people in the streets in Tunisia

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

it's inevitable, they saw how it was handled in Tran....killing protesters is very effective way to clear the streets

114 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:28:18pm

re: #107 JosephNobles

Welcome to Litte Green Footballs.

116 charlz  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:29:43pm

re: #107 JosephNobles

Closed captioner here. I was actually captioning this event for one of our clients, but these aren't my captions (I can tell by line placement).

The White House transcribes all of a President's public events. It's possible they provided the captioning.

117 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:29:44pm

re: #107 JosephNobles

howdy...hope you enjoy

118 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:30:42pm

re: #115 000G

Oh yeah, big time RHINO! Quoth rabid Palin Fangirl #1:

owww!....that's a lot of links dude....need my Raybans

119 blueraven  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:33:15pm

re: #107 JosephNobles

I saw your comments over there and the subsequent "he is a liberal, so he is a liar" screed.

You are right, they believe what they want and try to defend it, no matter how pathetically idiotic.

Welcome!

120 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:33:46pm

Back later.

121 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:34:22pm

Has anyone investigated NPR's claim or source last Saturday that Gabby was dead? They completely jumped the shark and nary a word said after the fact..
Did anyone take NPR to task for their source?
/Better better Gabby! America is praying for you..

122 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:34:44pm

re: #114 PhillyPretzel
Dang my spelling is off "Little" ::: 40 lashes with a wet noodle :::

123 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:34:51pm

Comment at Ross's website:

... did the audience know they were closed caption signs or did they think they were cue signs?

The Obama administration is just so diabolical.

They couldn't even put up straight "applause" instructions to the audience - instead they disguised the instructions as closed captioning.

124 Kruk  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:35:55pm

re: #5 EmmmieG

[Random muttering]

[Snickering sounds]

[Freezer opening; sound of small running feet to see if it's ice cream]

I've been amazed at the variety of sounds described on closed captioning.

Heh. I watch DVDs while doing my daily grind on the treadmill. It works great as both motivation and as a little reward for myself. Since it's hard to hear the TV over the treadmill and my own huffing, I usually have the subtitles on. I find the English for the hearing impaired subtitles much better than the standard English,as it picks up things you'd otherwise miss.

125 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:36:28pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Has anyone investigated NPR's claim or source last Saturday that Gabby was dead? They completely jumped the shark and nary a word said after the fact..
Did anyone take NPR to task for their source?
/Better better Gabby! America is praying for you..

There was more than one source guilty of that. Was NPR the instigator?

126 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:36:52pm

re: #107 JosephNobles

Regardless, this is a hypothesis in search of evidence to support it, regardless of whether or not the evidence is real or not. I tried pointing this out over at Gateway Pundit, but they pulled several 9/11 Truth tricks out of the hat - finding out "incriminating" evidence about me, licking their wounds by asserting other fact-free evidence of Obama skulduggery, etc. The bottom line is they are going to believe what they want and hang all evidence to the contrary.

Yup, exactly what I have been saying. Not one iota better than truthers.

Their delusional politics are their religion, their fact-free talking points their articles of faith.

127 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:37:13pm

What about

[GAZING]

128 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:38:01pm

re: #127 000G

What about

[GAZING]

huh?

129 Digital Display  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:38:30pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

There was more than one source guilty of that. Was NPR the instigator?

I first heard NPR while I was unloaded groceries in the kitchen

130 charlz  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:38:34pm

re: #109 Gus 802

Viewing a decompressive craniectomy procedure is not for the meek that's for sure. Reverse of that is a cranioplasty.

I'm surprised the article states "Use of the surgery is controversial." I had one after falling down the stairs of a bus and landing on my face, whereupon I started bleeding inside my skull, the hydraulic pressure of which started squeezing my brain and brain stem. The docs said if left unattended for several more hours, I'd no longer be here. They replaced that section of my skull with a titanium plate. Fully recovered today, thanks.

[Drooling]

131 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:40:42pm

re: #115 000G

Oh yeah, big time RHINO! Quoth rabid Palin Fangirl #1:

And I thought I was being sarcastic.

So saying that Obama wants to do the best for the country makes a figurehead of the Republican Party for decades a RHINO.

It just gets so hard to wrap my mind just how lunatic some of these folks are.

132 palomino  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:42:35pm

And this will now enter right wing folklore along with all the stories about teleprompters.

After listening to his press conferences and interviews and meetings with congressional Republicans, no reasonable person would believe Obama was a stupid man who couldn't speak articulately without a teleprompter.

But people believe what they want to...about this and about birth certificates, socialism, "govt takeover", etc. So, in the alternate reality of conservative media, this will enter the hall of shame of right wing talking points, no matter how often debunked.

133 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:43:21pm

re: #131 Talking Point Detective

And I thought I was being sarcastic.

So saying that Obama wants to do the best for the country makes a figurehead of the Republican Party for decades a RHINO.

It just gets so hard to wrap my mind just how lunatic some of these folks are.

It's an automated script they are running. It's really not reality-based. So you just making up the most extreme talking points you can think of will come pretty close to what the Tea Party folks are actually saying.

More CC jokes:

[Link: achewood.com...]

134 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:43:37pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

There was more than one source guilty of that. Was NPR the instigator?

From what I heard - other people got it from NPR.

I have NPR going pretty much 24/7 - but that's inexcusably bad journalism. You simply don't announce that someone has been assassinated without confirming the information.

135 Kruk  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:45:59pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

I mentioned earlier that a few Olympics ago, I saw a group of athletes described on closed captioning as the 'hung Aryan swim team'. I imagine that a few deaf sports lovers did exactly what I did, and glanced apprehensively at their Speedos before translating the phrase mentally.

Hah! The Olympics would have a lot more viewers if we did what the Ancient Greeks did, and had everyone compete in the buff.

136 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:47:46pm

Dim indeed. Even the fever swamp isn't buying it, not entirely anyway:

"It’s closed captioning." (This is the very first response)

"Actually, that’s a statement by a stenotypist. He or she is simply reporting the fact that there was applause after the statement. It’s a concession to deaf viewers."

"Are you sure this was not closed captioned? It would appear like that if their was applause and the typist was just captioning the sounds being made."

"Are we sure that isn’t closed captioning?"

137 JosephNobles  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:48:50pm

Thanks for all the welcomes, folks!

re: #116 charlz

Media Matters has tracked down the CC information on the event here:

[Link: bit.ly...]

It was being done in-house for the event. As such, it would be going up in response to audience applause, not in advance of. People can be so silly.

138 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:49:19pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Dim indeed. Even the fever swamp isn't buying it, not entirely anyway:

"It’s closed captioning." (This is the very first response)

"Actually, that’s a statement by a stenotypist. He or she is simply reporting the fact that there was applause after the statement. It’s a concession to deaf viewers."

"Are you sure this was not closed captioned? It would appear like that if their was applause and the typist was just captioning the sounds being made."

"Are we sure that isn’t closed captioning?"

Welp, they've just used up their supply of reasoning skills for the rest of the year.

139 palomino  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:50:03pm

re: #115 000G

Oh yeah, big time RHINO! Quoth rabid Palin Fangirl #1:

This sort of exposes the siege mentality of the TP. Many see themselves as the metaphorical "last white men at the Alamo" fighting for a righteous cause. But the metaphor especially breaks apart as the TP thinks it will win and defeat the forces of liberalism. Temporarily maybe, sporadically maybe, but the TP is hardly going to crush liberalism if it includes McCain and Jeb Bush.

Far right populist movements tend to burn hot and bright, but then flame out fairly quickly. Additionally, the population trends don't favor the TP. Their core demographic shrinks a little more each day.

140 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:51:06pm

what an inane, boring meme to put forth and get hung up on...I can't imagine anything less significant...people are behaving like ants out on the driveway

141 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:51:17pm

re: #115 000G

Oh yeah, big time RHINO! Quoth rabid Palin Fangirl #1:

As for this statement:

Pathetic. In self-important op-ed, McCain heaps praise on Obama, doesn't even name Palin in patronizing reference


Here's what McCain said about Palin.

Imagine how it must feel to have watched one week ago the incomprehensible massacre of innocents committed by someone who had lost some essential part of his humanity, to have shared in the heartache for its victims and in the admiration for those who acted heroically to save the lives of others - and to have heard in the coverage of that tragedy voices accusing you of complicity in it.

It does not ask too much of human nature to have the empathy to understand how wrong an injury that is or appreciate how strong a need someone would feel to defend him or herself against such a slur.

Seriously, she is angry because in that completely obvious defense of Palin's pitiful, self-centered complaint of victimhood , he doesn't mention her by name?

142 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:52:07pm

it seems outer wingnutttia, predictably, is feeling cramped by the overwhelming approval for civility in public discourse:

"There can certainly be too much civility. This is especially true where civility morphs into a hyper politeness that politicians can cower behind as political subterfuge..."

but how to get that addictive testosterone thrill without threatening physical violence?

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:52:53pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Dim indeed. Even the fever swamp isn't buying it, not entirely anyway:

"It’s closed captioning." (This is the very first response)

"Actually, that’s a statement by a stenotypist. He or she is simply reporting the fact that there was applause after the statement. It’s a concession to deaf viewers."

"Are you sure this was not closed captioned? It would appear like that if their was applause and the typist was just captioning the sounds being made."

"Are we sure that isn’t closed captioning?"

Texas Eagle tries to find a happy medium:

LOL. I thought the applause sounded kind of weird. As if it had two lives. This explains it.

Obama's speech was being closed captioned for the deaf but when the idiot students in the audience saw the word "applause" on the Jumbotron, being the brainwashed little Obots they are, they thought they were being prompted to applaud.

144 Kruk  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:53:10pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Obama had their loved ones under armed guard at a FEMA facility. You'd clap too.

I'm getting flashbacks to a History Channel doc I saw about Stalin:

"It's said that (Obama's) ovations were so long because no-one wanted to be the first to stop clapping."

/

146 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:56:46pm

re: #145 000G

Weighs in the National Review's Katrina Trinko: Blame Palin – The ten most inane comments connecting Sarah Palin to the Tucson shooting.

overload

147 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:57:17pm

re: #145 000G

Weighs in the National Review's Katrina Trinko: Blame Palin – The ten most inane comments connecting Sarah Palin to the Tucson shooting.

All wrapped up in an even more inane article.

148 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 1:58:41pm

William F. Buckley, Jr. would be a "RINO" today.

149 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:01:32pm

re: #55 talon_262

Didn't you know? Real Merikins® are virile/fertile and perfect in every way, with no physical defects or deficiencies. Therefore, any deaf people in the audience must be godless Commie bastards, unworthy of respect or civility...

///dripping

That lets Hoft out. He wears glasses. /

150 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:02:39pm

Wow. Ron Reagan. Willing to lie in the face on contrary facts just to sell his book. Any decent son would at worst save his opinion for private conversations. His credibility is right down there with Breitbart now. I think I'll take 4 doctors opinions over his. I think I'll take hospital records over his baloney.I pray Nancy never gets word of this filial betrayal for money.

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

151 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:04:22pm

John Cole at Balloon Juice linked (thanks, John!).

One of the comments is very stupid and very wrong, though:

When Pajamas Media decided to not pay anybody and shut down their ad revenue sharing stream. He had a hissy fit and now spends nearly as much time smearing the wingnuts he used to laud as he did smearing the Dems. It’s all about the Benjamins with those cretins.When Pajamas Media decided to not pay anybody and shut down their ad revenue sharing stream. He had a hissy fit and now spends nearly as much time smearing the wingnuts he used to laud as he did smearing the Dems. It’s all about the Benjamins with those cretins.

Uh no, I didn't have anything approaching a "hissy fit." Here's my post about it: PJ Media Ad Network Closing.

I don't know how anyone can see that as a hissy fit. In truth I was glad to be cutting all ties with them at that point.

152 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:05:29pm

more Fun With Freepers:

"Don’t know if I’m the ‘average’ American Conservative or not, but I will NOT be giving a dime to the GOP, nor any stinking RINO, nor will I vote for any stinking RINO. I will give money to and for ONLY ONE CANDIDATE. Sarah Palin. If a Huckabee or Romney are the candidate I will be off playing golf. No ifs, ands, or buts. I will not participate if she’s NOT the candidate. And don’t bother giving me all that happy HS re: we need to beat Obama. If Americans think he FU this country in the last two years, there will be open revolt in the streets 2 years from now!"

on the other hand, 99.999% pure soap is not pure enough for some people:

"I’d say that based on conservative positions and the willingness to fight for them, DeMint and Bachmann are the two largest balls possessors. They are both across the board conservatves. Palin is not."

153 freetoken  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:05:56pm

re: #151 Charles

You're making that judgement based only on a few excerpts, perhaps taken out of context.

154 freetoken  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:06:26pm

re: #153 freetoken


Whoops, that was for rwc @150

155 blueraven  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:06:59pm

re: #140 albusteve

what an inane, boring meme to put forth and get hung up on...I can't imagine anything less significant...people are behaving like ants out on the driveway

But I think you have hit on the problem...it had been like this since day one of the Obama admin. Yes, there are disagreements, but this kind of crap happens almost on a daily basis. One outrageous outrage after another, that have nothing to do with the problems we face as a nation.

I know, the other side did it too. It just gets worse every day.

156 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:07:53pm

re: #145 000G

I'd like to note that very few of those actually link her to the shooting.

157 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:08:03pm

re: #153 freetoken

Is there any question it's his book? Or that he makes the assertion? Or that they fly in the face of contrary information? My main point is this is one crappy way to make money.

158 freetoken  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:09:53pm

re: #157 Rightwingconspirator

His would not be the first biography written that contradicted received opinion about a public figure.

Point is, his bio could in fact be filled with plenty of insight and even love for his father, and yet he still disagrees with the public opinions of the WH physicians.

It just seemed to me that you're painting Ron with too harsh a brush.

159 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:10:27pm

re: #151 Charles

I knew Johnson had shed the insanity, but I was surprised to see his commenters had too. Good to see. That place used to be Crazytown.

heh, pat on back?

160 AK-47%  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:11:54pm

re: #144 Kruk

I'm getting flashbacks to a History Channel doc I saw about Stalin:

"It's said that (Obama's) ovations were so long because no-one wanted to be the first to stop clapping."

/

It was also standard press practice in the USSR to report "auuplause" between sections of a speech, usually building to "thunderous applause", "prolonged, thunderous applause" and culminating in "prolonged, thuderous applause, turning into ovation".

161 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:12:16pm

Heh. This is currently the top item at memeorandum.

162 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:15:19pm

re: #158 freetoken

Maybe it does. Pretty flowers all around a turd still leaves a turd. I would not deny his right to his opinion. Or his right to discuss it as he sees fit. Publishing it for profit puts this beyond the pale. I read 4 sets of similar excerpts from different sources. Take a look at the injury and alleged major surgery after the fall off his horse. I can see with my own eyes he is taking a few moments of lackluster memory as Alzheimer's. Ron is no doctor. The white house doctors are or were doctors.

163 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:17:08pm

Here's the link to Balloon Juice: Too Stupid to Spoof.

164 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:17:09pm

The playing field of media discourse has become so incredibly slanted:


(1) Accusing Obama of being a friend of a terrorist becomes the main plank of Palin's campaign platform.

(2) The suggestion that Palin's vitriol could potentially contribute to an environment of violence morphs into "the left" saying that she was "complicit" in a murder.

And Palin becomes a victim?

Sorry - I usually leave the "Mommy, mommy, 'the media' is just sooo unfaaaaiiirrr" whining to the rightwingers, but this closed captioning nonsense somehow got on my last fucking nerve.

165 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:19:37pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel

Dim indeed. Even the fever swamp isn't buying it, not entirely anyway:

"It’s closed captioning." (This is the very first response)

"Actually, that’s a statement by a stenotypist. He or she is simply reporting the fact that there was applause after the statement. It’s a concession to deaf viewers."

"Are you sure this was not closed captioned? It would appear like that if their was applause and the typist was just captioning the sounds being made."

"Are we sure that isn’t closed captioning?"

Shows that even a broken clock is right twice a day...

166 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:20:23pm

re: #164 Talking Point Detective

The playing field of media discourse has become so incredibly slanted:

(1) Accusing Obama of being a friend of a terrorist becomes the main plank of Palin's campaign platform.

(2) The suggestion that Palin's vitriol could potentially contribute to an environment of violence morphs into "the left" saying that she was "complicit" in a murder.

And Palin becomes a victim?

Sorry - I usually leave the "Mommy, mommy, 'the media' is just sooo unfaaaiiirrr" whining to the rightwingers, but this closed captioning nonsense somehow got on my last fucking nerve.

Seriously - the idea that the media leans left is an idea completely unsupported by facts. FOX and the cult media sets the tone, which is reported and mimicked throughout the rest of the media.

167 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:20:54pm
UPDATE at 1/15/11 1:00:59 pm:

And it gets better, because the other dim bulbs of the wingnut blogosphere are now co-signing Hoft’s post.

Pamela “Shrieking Harpy” Geller: “TOGETHER WE WRITHE”: OBAMA MAKING HIS BONES ON THE BONES OF THE DEAD

Doug Ross: White House: we were shocked that Tucson memorial crowd hooted and hollered throughout because our APPLAUSE signs were actually quite discrete

Truly a confederacy of dunces.

I can't figure out if they're REALLY that stupid, or if they do it because they assume (know for a fact?) that their readers are that stupid.

How in the hell did these people hold jobs in the meat world before they became bloggers? If I worked in an office, it would make me seriously wonder which of my co-workers might be a covert Hoft, Breitbart, or Geller whose rabid malice is barely concealed behind a civilized mask... creepy.

168 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:21:55pm

So he's said something really stupid and now he's got other conservatives saying it... are you sure this guy isn't one of those liberal plants we keep hearing about?

169 AK-47%  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #166 Renaissance_Man

Seriously - the idea that the media leans left is an idea completely unsupported by facts. FOX and the cult media sets the tone, which is reported and mimicked throughout the rest of the media.

Of course, the Völkischer Beobachter and Der Stürmer were leftist publications by the current right-wing definition of Naziism...

170 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:23:24pm

And now, of course, it's at Pajamas Media:

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Pretty soon Newt Gingrich will be calling for an investigation.

171 freetoken  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:23:50pm

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

I read 4 sets of similar excerpts from different sources.

All the excerpts I've seen on the wire stories have been about the same thing - the mention of an earlier onset of Alzheimer's.

Now, Ronnie could definitely be in error here. Yet I don't fault him for selling a biography - I don't expect him to give a book away for free.

172 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:24:12pm

the freepers are big on herman cain for president

from the sound of it, cain wants to run on the fresh, brand-new, innovative notions of of cutting business and capital gains taxes and what he calls "all of these hurt old people and puppy dog programs"

173 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:24:20pm

re: #156 Obdicut

I'd like to note that very few of those actually link her to the shooting.

Enh. They all "link" her in some way, I mean mentioning Palin and the shooting in a single paragraph together is technically "linking" but even so a direct connection is established by some. I would give the NR author the identification of New York Daily News, Jane Fonda, Dupnik, and Moulitsas.

Olbermann is a toss-up ("foretelling" – whut?). And I hate Krugman, JTFR.

174 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:26:00pm

re: #166 Renaissance_Man

Seriously - the idea that the media leans left is an idea completely unsupported by facts. FOX and the cult media sets the tone, which is reported and mimicked throughout the rest of the media.

The notion of a "vast left-wing media conspiracy" is so fully ingrained into the meme of rightwingers these days, they would have no sense of their identity if it wasn't still there to sustain them.

175 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:26:26pm

re: #163 Charles

Here's the link to Balloon Juice: Too Stupid to Spoof.

it's only one step to conclude that Lord Teleprompter Controls All Our Thoughts

176 Locker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:26:54pm

Some good comments on the balloon juice entry. I threw it up on reddit too just for fun.

177 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:28:00pm

re: #167 CuriousLurker

I can't figure out if they're REALLY that stupid, or if they do it because they assume (know for a fact?) that their readers are that stupid.

That really is the operational question at this point. It has to be one of those two possibilities.

178 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:28:02pm

re: #170 Charles

And now, of course, it's at Pajamas Media:

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Pretty soon Newt Gingrich will be calling for an investigation.

I wonder if Newt & Pam can figure out a way to tie it to Islamic supremacists. Shouldn't be that difficult since reality doesn't factor into the equation.

179 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:29:54pm

re: #170 Charles

Ed Driscoll: "And as always during solemn memorial services, t-shirts with text printed in an all-caps avant-garde typeface were provided to all attendees."


Avant-garde typeface! Absolutely no outrage is too small.

180 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:31:08pm

re: #179 jaunte

Avant-garde typeface! Absolutely no outrage is too small.

Because everyone knows Real Americans™ only use Comic Sans!!11!

181 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:32:31pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

If a message was set in lower case, someone would be complaining about the lack of SOLEMNITY.

182 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:33:57pm

Classic:

#
1. Gadfly

It’s closed captioning for the deaf.
January 15, 2011 - 2:01 pm Link to this Comment | Reply
#
2. Ed Driscoll

Really? The deaf can’t see the people applauding all around them?
January 15, 2011 - 2:14 pm Link to this Comment | Reply
#
3. Stephen Sherman

“For the deaf” who are watching it on TV. It’s called closed captioning, Ed.

183 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:34:12pm

re: #181 jaunte

Exactly. *headdesk*

184 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:36:21pm

avant-garde typeface??? It looked like Ariel to me. That has been around for a while.

185 charlz  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:38:15pm

re: #171 freetoken

All the excerpts I've seen on the wire stories have been about the same thing - the mention of an earlier onset of Alzheimer's.

Now, Ronnie could definitely be in error here.

And so could the doctor's -- the only way to know for sure is to sample brain tissue.

186 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:38:31pm

re: #181 jaunte

And no doubt the t-shirts were BLUE because that's the Dem's color. How could they overlook such obvious talking point that would prove the White House was behind it?

187 AK-47%  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:40:21pm

re: #185 charlz

And so could the doctor's -- the only way to know for sure is to sample brain tissue.

A Q-tip in his ear canal would've yielded enough tissue for a full diagnosis

/

188 charlz  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:42:00pm

re: #185 charlz

doctor's


8-(
pimf doctors, I look down my nose when other people make that mistake

189 jaunte  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:42:09pm

re: #184 PhillyPretzel

It's not really of today, but it is Avant Garde

190 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:44:23pm

re: #2 Thanos

bwaahahaaahhaahaa ... and to think I used to have this dimwit in my sidebar. What was I smoking?

Possibly not smoking enough for enlightenment. But you're better now.

191 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:50:49pm

re: #171 freetoken

Pulling out the critics old assertion of Alzheimers disease during the Presidency is an obvious exploit for sales. I'm not buying that book and putting dollars in his pocket. Enough has been debunked it's just not necessary.

This makes no mention of a surgery that opens up the skull, just a little burr hole
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

"Surgeons opening his skull to relieve pressure on the brain emerged from the operating room with the news that they had detected what they took to be probable signs of Alzheimer's disease," Reagan writes.

Looks like a lie, right there. That does it for me.

192 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:54:33pm

re: #191 Rightwingconspirator

I don't think that if there was early Alzheimer's, that it takes away from Reagan's accomplishments at the time.

193 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:59:09pm

re: #192 prairiefire

Me neither. I have an older father, he has no Alzheimer but has bad memory moments. Then I saw that contradiction between the solid reports on the brain surgery after the falloff the horse and Ronnie's contrary assertion about that same surgery, including getting the city wrong.

194 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 2:59:49pm

This is a hell of a note:

Arizona shooting survivor Jim Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and will apparently be charged with disorderly conduct after an incident at an ABC Town Hall taping.

Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

195 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:01:08pm

re: #171 freetoken

I would not expect him to do anything for free. I do expect him to decline the sensational that cannot be solidly confirmed. He had no obligation to get into that particular issue anyway.

196 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:03:34pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

Wish he'd listened to the President, and kept his cool.

I wonder if the Tea Party people still think that violent rhetoric doesn't lead to an increase in violence?

197 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:05:51pm

re: #196 Obdicut

I have to wonder why they are so reluctant to renounce the violent rhetoric. Pride? Or is it deemed essential to continue? Do they really believe it's the only way to succeed? CREEPY.

198 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:06:04pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

This is a hell of a note:

Arizona shooting survivor Jim Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and will apparently be charged with disorderly conduct after an incident at an ABC Town Hall taping.

Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

From the article,,,,

Toward the end of the town hall meeting Saturday morning, one of the shooting victims, J. Eric Fuller, took exception to comments by two of the speakers: Ariz. state Rep. Terri Proud, a Dist. 26 Republican, and Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.

According to sheriff's deputies at the scene, Fuller took a photo of Humphries and said, "You're Dead."

Deputies immediately escorted Fuller from the room.

Pima County Sheriff's spokesman Jason Ogan said later Saturday that Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and he also will be charged with disorderly conduct.


Damn. I guess it's not surprising. I wasn't thrilled with his appearance on Democracy Now. He might be suffering some trauma but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's as rabid as the people he opposes.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:06:10pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

This is a hell of a note:

Arizona shooting survivor Jim Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and will apparently be charged with disorderly conduct after an incident at an ABC Town Hall taping.

Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

Oh, Lord God.

200 AK-47%  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:06:32pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

This is a hell of a note:

Arizona shooting survivor Jim Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and will apparently be charged with disorderly conduct after an incident at an ABC Town Hall taping.

Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

Station KGUN? This is all turning into a sick parody of itself...

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:06:35pm

re: #196 Obdicut

Wish he'd listened to the President, and kept his cool.

I wonder if the Tea Party people still think that violent rhetoric doesn't lead to an increase in violence?

I'm quite sure that they will think it might, in this case.

What an eejit.

202 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:06:43pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

This is a hell of a note:

Arizona shooting survivor Jim Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and will apparently be charged with disorderly conduct after an incident at an ABC Town Hall taping.

Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

Whoa. Arizona is reverting to the Wild West.

203 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:07:18pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

PTSD maybe?

204 Obdicut  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:08:05pm

re: #202 Charles

The irony is that unlike other people fomenting violence-- like Sharron Angle's clear call to violence with '2nd amendment solutions'-- Fuller was actually arrested.

He should have kept his cool. He was recently shot. I hope there was no sincerity behind those threats, but, well, violent rhetoric is a terrible thing and needs to be confronted firmly.

I'd be happier if people who openly called for violent insurrection were also being arrested.

205 blueraven  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:10:15pm

re: #196 Obdicut

Wish he'd listened to the President, and kept his cool.

I wonder if the Tea Party people still think that violent rhetoric doesn't lead to an increase in violence?

I dont give Mr Fuller a pass on this, but I would like to know more. Traumatic events can make for unusual behavior. Maybe those are the words Loughner used as he pointed the gun at Mr Fuller: "You're Dead"

Still it was not a good move, at all!

206 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:10:57pm

re: #25 jaunte

"Obama lays trap for Gateway Pundit
by Inviting Deaf People to Memorial Service."

That'll be on Hannity on Monday.

207 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:11:55pm

I fee bad for Mr. Fuller, but there's no excuse for his actions.

Having said that, I wonder how the TP guy felt about being on the receiving end of a threat for once.

208 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:12:59pm

re: #197 Rightwingconspirator

I have to wonder why they are so reluctant to renounce the violent rhetoric. Pride? Or is it deemed essential to continue? Do they really believe it's the only way to succeed? CREEPY.

to denounce it at this point is to admit guilt....pretty simple, you can observe the very same behavior in children

209 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:13:00pm

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

This is a hell of a note:

Arizona shooting survivor Jim Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and will apparently be charged with disorderly conduct after an incident at an ABC Town Hall taping.

Death threat at ABC-TV Town Hall event Saturday

As I said in the thread about Fuller yesterday, talking about Palin and the TPGOP and now it applies to Fuller himself:

Words have consequences.

210 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:13:08pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

From the article,,,


Damn. I guess it's not surprising. I wasn't thrilled with his appearance on Democracy Now. He might be suffering some trauma but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's as rabid as the people he opposes.

Still, I'm glad he got charged. I wouldn't set the penalty too high, because he likely has PTSD, but open threats like that cannot be tolerated.

211 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:13:22pm

re: #207 makeitstop

I wonder how the TP guy felt about being on the receiving end of a threat for once.


He was probably thrilled. He made his opponent look bad and he got to be a victim.

212 makeitstop  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:14:17pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

He was probably thrilled. He made his opponent look bad and he got to be a victim.

Sad but true.

213 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:14:33pm

Sorry to post and run but I need to get going again.

BBL

214 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:15:39pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

From the article,,,


Damn. I guess it's not surprising. I wasn't thrilled with his appearance on Democracy Now. He might be suffering some trauma but I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's as rabid as the people he opposes.

Definitely has a high opinion of himself.

I use extraordinary persuasive charisma to interest blase, apathetic, oblivious and at times hostile voters to listen to the voice of justice and consanguinity. My experiences encountering public figures and many affluent travelers in person has led me to believe that we all are to blame for George W. Bush.

This is no surprise. Political fringe dwellers of all kinds tend to hang around political events. An act of barbaric violence can turn any one of them into a martyr. The Soviets did it with Congressman and John Birch Society president Larry McDonald (D-GA) when they killed him and 268 others on board KAL 007 in 1983.

215 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:16:35pm

re: #202 Charles
Just cause I spent a lot of time there, got family there-
By and large Arizonans are better than that. Rural in outlook, sure but not out of control. Nutty individuals sure. For perspective-Gangs kill far more people than any and all of of this. LA was more like the old west in the Rodney King riots imo. Real running gunfights.

216 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:16:43pm
And now, of course, it’s at Pajamas Media.

Pretty soon Newt Gingrich will be calling for an investigation.

Heh, it seems that he [Ed Driscoll] pretty well got schooled in the comments there. What an ass.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:17:24pm

re: #203 Rightwingconspirator

PTSD maybe?

Does it come on so fast?

218 albusteve  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:19:14pm

Facebook and Twitter are a curse...too much liberation, to much anonymity, too much abuse, too easily addicted...responsibility is dead in the Me era

219 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:19:15pm

[Laugh you fucking ass off]

220 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:20:10pm

re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm no expert. But he does need help now. As I'll post upstairs.

221 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:22:46pm

Good golly it's spread during the short time I was gone. There are actually idiots out there buying into the idea that those were "applause signs".

222 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:24:46pm

re: #221 Gus 802

*cough*

223 Gus  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:25:29pm

re: #222 Slumbering Behemoth

*cough*

Tucson applause was an inside job!

224 Mich-again  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:27:42pm

I would point out one thing about this.. When the word "applause' showed up on the Jumbotron, there were X number of people in the crowd who did what else.. started applauding. File it in the people are stupid category. Maybe thats why it started to sound like a rally.

225 S.D.  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:53:21pm
re: #21 avanti

The skeptics tried to say even the deaf could see the clapping and feel the vibrations. You see, apparently the deaf have Super-vision/feeling since many reading the CC were not even in the hall./

Remember: Sadly, you can't fix stupid.

Any cheap radical shot they can try to take, they do...

226 Peter Kaufman  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:56:26pm
re: #132 palomino

So, in the alternate reality of conservative media, this will enter the hall of shame of right wing talking points, no matter how often debunked.

Here's the shorthand..

From 30 Rock:
Jack: The American public doesn't want your elitist, east coast, alternative, intellectual, left wing-
Liz: Jack, just say Jewish, this is taking forever.

Or from Blazing Saddles...

Youtube Video
227 Locker  Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:37:45pm

Media Matters is in:

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

228 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:38:13am

The thought process of a Wingnutter in sequence:

#1: Taking the Gatewaypundit Bait without questions:

My god. The bizarrely enthusiastic "Obama Massacre Pep Rally?" Used *APPLAUSE* commands on the jumbotron http://bit.ly/h0ujSX

#2: Explaining your own backstepping in face of ridiculous made-up crap just minutes later as being hopeful and generous towards "libs":

I will try to think even the libs arent that sick & hope there is an alternative explanation--like it's closed-captioning or something

#3: Backstepping the backstepping, just for good measure: There is no hope for repulsive libs; made-up crap is essentially even if not factually true:

What's horrible is that it's actually *believable* they'd do something like that. I'm inclined to go w closed-captioning just to not be sick
229 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jan 16, 2011 3:43:04pm

Charles;

Not only does Jim refuse to admit he's wrong, but he actually thinks he broke a real story here and continues to insist on his stupidity! Amazing!!!

"Stunner. Leftist Yanks Pep Rally “Applause” Photo & Threatens Lawsuit
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, January 16, 2011, 4:13 PM
"
[Link: gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com...]

The comment section on that blog really depresses me, talk about a dim future for humanity with these folks around ...

230 dconrad  Mon, Jan 17, 2011 2:49:15pm

Just signed up to point out that Doug Ross doesn't know the difference between "discrete" and "discreet."

231 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 17, 2011 3:14:09pm

re: #230 dconrad

Just signed up to point out that Doug Ross doesn't know the difference between "discrete" and "discreet."

Welcome, hatchling. That's as good a reason as any, but maybe you'll stick around and post some more?


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