Eric Fuller, the Arizona shooting victim who came out yesterday and said he blamed Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Sharron Angle for the crime, will be charged with disorderly conduct after allegedly making a death threat against Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.
Yikes. Arizona’s turning into the Wild West.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:18:13pm |
I'm glad he was arrested. You shouldn't be able to make threats without impunity.
It doesn't take anything away from the cowardice and foolishness of those who incite violence without directly making threats.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:18:45pm |
As I said in the thread about Fuller yesterday, talking about Palin and the TPGOP and now it applies to Fuller himself:
Words have consequences.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:19:36pm |
(Re-post from last thread)
Fuller definitely has a high opinion of himself.
I use extraordinary persuasive charisma to interest blase, apathetic, oblivious and at times hostile voters to listen to the voice of justice and consanguinity. My experiences encountering public figures and many affluent travelers in person has led me to believe that we all are to blame for George W. Bush.
This is no surprise. Political fringe dwellers of all kinds tend to hang around political events. An act of barbaric violence can turn any one of them into a martyr. The Soviets did it with Congressman and John Birch Society president Larry McDonald (D-GA) when they killed him and 268 others on board KAL 007 in 1983.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:19:51pm |
Nice job Fuller, handing the howler monkeys more ammo.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:20:41pm |
Stupid idiot is stupid.
You don't do this shit, man.
Just go home and recover.
But no, we got to say dumb shit.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:20:58pm |
He needs help. Anger management at the least. PTSD or stress evaluation. I'm no expert. I hope he gets the help he needs. He should be watched carefully to get through this. I can't imagine my anger if I got shot like that. Or if my wife did and died. I'd need expert help too.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:21:07pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:21:56pm |
Mr. Fuller IS the Magical Balance Fairy.
And now that he's done this, those who've been harping on 'but both sides do it' will consider themselves completely vindicated.
I realize he was shot, and he must be utterly freaked out, but DAMN. Way to go, schmuck.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:24:17pm |
wild west....
stay calm and shoot straight, panic and your dead
Wyatt Earp was like that down in old Tombstone, but he was rational and principled...these new wave wannabes are full of bravado and bluff, saying all kinds of crazy shit..."you're dead!"....okay dude
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:25:21pm |
re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth
Nice job Fuller, handing the howler monkeys more ammo.
he himself is a howler...rage and stupidity are hardly a political party thing
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:26:27pm |
Hey, Alaska Kim got a clean sweep of the bottom 10.
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:26:31pm |
Here's hoping he seeks help before he does something really bad.
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:27:02pm |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey, Alaska Kim got a clean sweep of the bottom 10.
She worked hard for it, that's for sure.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:27:32pm |
re: #11 albusteve
I'd probably howl too if I had recently been shot, but Fuller isn't helping.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:28:27pm |
re: #13 makeitstop
Here's hoping he seeks help before he does something really bad.
Hopefully this episode will be a red flag to him, or his family, and he'll get seen.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:28:48pm |
re: #14 makeitstop
She worked hard for it, that's for sure.
I completely disagree. Nasty trolling and deflection seem to come natural to that one. I bet it was no effort for her at all.
;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:28:49pm |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
I'd probably howl too if I had recently been shot, but Fuller isn't helping.
Howling is one thing. Death threats is another thing.
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Bastet Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:29:45pm |
I think Mr. Fuller needs help. He was shot during a horrible event. Also the Tucson Tea Party, it may have been this Trent guy, came out and said Giffords getting shot was her own fault! Now making threats is not OK but I think this man is traumatize. The Tea Party also needs to STFU and not egg people on with remarks blaming a victim. I hope all the victims of this awful shooting get psychiatric help. They are going to need it.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:30:02pm |
Damn... well why am I surprised we Democrats have been playing the game way too well recently about time somebody "on our side" (or at leas that we thought was on our side/we would want on our side) did something incredibly stupid....
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:30:12pm |
re: #4 Shiplord Kirel
(Re-post from last thread)
Fuller definitely has a high opinion of himself.
This is no surprise. Political fringe dwellers of all kinds tend to hang around political events. An act of barbaric violence can turn any one of them into a martyr. The Soviets did it with Congressman and John Birch Society president Larry McDonald (D-GA) when they killed him and 268 others on board KAL 007 in 1983.
From that link:
About Me:
Non-deep pocket with a lot of heart. Began life as a computer operator, military service leading to non-physical disability, unable to resume career, left main stream and lived in small towns for a decade studying library books and piano, moved into Tucson in 1994 and worked as a Chauffeur for most of 10 years, presented state-wide initiatives at libraries, worked elections, in ’09 worked at the Census Bureau as a field rep and a clerk. Non drinker for one year, non smoker for 40 years.
"Non-physical disability", what does that leave? Perhaps he has an old case of PTSD, rather than a recent one.
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:30:41pm |
re: #17 Slumbering Behemoth
I completely disagree. Nasty trolling and deflection seem to come natural to that one. I bet it was no effort for her at all.
;)
You have a point. I was surprised at her single-mindedness, though. Or simple-mindedness. Whichever. :)
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:30:53pm |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
I'd probably howl too if I had recently been shot, but Fuller isn't helping.
well, whatdya know....people don't always frame ther words and behavior in terms of political parties....should that be a surprise?....not all folks are consumed
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:31:13pm |
Again, I am not defending Mr Fuller. It was a totally boneheaded move. But I can envision a scenario that would drive him to this.
Imagine if he volunteered for Ms Gifford's campaign and had received death threats over it. Then he actually gets shot. If something like that happened it would not be surprising if he just lost it.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:31:43pm |
It's getting worse. A wingnut has noticed that Fuller worked as a census taker in 2009.
11/eleventy!
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:31:57pm |
re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist
Mr. Fuller IS the Magical Balance Fairy.
Or maybe the Magical Unbalance Fairy.
Oh wait. I think that was already claimed for Glenn Beck.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:32:35pm |
re: #20 jamesfirecat
Damn... well why am I surprised we Democrats have been playing the game way too well recently about time somebody "on our side" (or at leas that we thought was on our side/we would want on our side) did something incredibly stupid...
sides?....sounds ridiculous to me...there are no sides for anger and frustration
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:33:30pm |
re: #20 jamesfirecat
about time somebody "on our side" (or at leas that we thought was on our side/we would want on our side) did something incredibly stupid...
Nah, "your side" pulls stupid crap all the time. It's just that "my side" has been such a white hot, blinding light of stupidity the last couple of years that it has completely out shined everyone else.
:P
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:35:12pm |
re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth
Nah, "your side" pulls stupid crap all the time. It's just that "my side" has been such a white hot, blinding light of stupidity the last couple of years that it has completely out shined everyone else.
:P
needing to take sides is the root of the problem...I think party affiliation is a joke
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jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:35:20pm |
re: #25 Shiplord Kirel
He might as well have bolded the mention of military service or small towns.
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:35:32pm |
I gotta admit, If I got shot for no good reason I'd be pretty goddamn pissed off too.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:35:52pm |
*groan*
"PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON OUR SIDE DOING NUTTY THINGS MEANS WE ARE JUSTIFIED IN OUR OWN NUTTINESS!"
Forgive me for foretelling this.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:36:44pm |
re: #31 Conservative Moonbat
I gotta admit, If I got shot for no good reason I'd be pretty goddamn pissed off too.
I imagine he is.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:36:56pm |
re: #31 Conservative Moonbat
I gotta admit, If I got shot for no good reason I'd be pretty goddamn pissed off too.
if he was that pissed off, enough to threaten somebody, he should have stayed home, instead of indulging in even more media bullshit
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:38:39pm |
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FreedomMoon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:39:27pm |
It's as though he speaks completely oblivious to the national debate going on, on whether or not deep-seated political beliefs can cause people to do crazy things. This guy is definitely a loon, he lacks awareness of what goes on beyond him. Even Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck made the connection that pictures toting firearms, or cross-hairs could be misinterpreted and went ahead and deleted them (whether or not they should have been up there in the first place is still a great question) but this guy, to do this in this heated political climate? Something is severely wrong with his mental decision making abilities.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:40:13pm |
re: #34 albusteve
if he was that pissed off, enough to threaten somebody, he should have stayed home, instead of indulging in even more media bullshit
I agree, but you should know that people under stress don't always act rationally...
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:41:08pm |
re: #37 talon_262
I agree, but you should know that people under stress don't always act rationally...
you should know I just pointed that out
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elizajane Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:41:26pm |
As the person who first posted the story about Fuller yesterday and said he sounded so thoughtful, I want to say that nothing, not even being shot at by a lunatic, excuses making death threats against people whose responsibility is at best some distance removed from what happened. Or any death threats at all, actually.
All these guys (and gals) mouthing off about shooting and killing their opponents reminds me of my little brother, when he was about five, yelling about how he was going to burn down a restaurant that had served him a bad hamburger. He grew out of that sort of reaction. Evidently Mr. Fuller, like so many other Americans, unfortunately has not.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:42:46pm |
re: #36 tacuba14
Something is severely wrong with his mental decision making abilities.
Yeah... it's called being shot and watching over a dozen other people shot less then a week ago....
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philosophus invidius Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:44:13pm |
Well, according the the Tea Party, saying "You're Dead!" to someone is just a colorful way to say that you oppose their views.
(Of course two wrongs etc.)
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:44:31pm |
re: #36 tacuba14
It's as though he speaks completely oblivious to the national debate going on, on whether or not deep-seated political beliefs can cause people to do crazy things. This guy is definitely a loon, he lacks awareness of what goes on beyond him. Even Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck made the connection that pictures toting firearms, or cross-hairs could be misinterpreted and went ahead and deleted them (whether or not they should have been up there in the first place is still a great question) but this guy, to do this in this heated political climate? Something is severely wrong with his mental decision making abilities.
Really? I think the images were deleted because they were taking a lot of heat over them, not due to any "concessions"
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Velvet Elvis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:44:43pm |
re: #40 Jadespring
Yeah... it's called being shot and watching over a dozen other people shot less then a week ago...
Right. I imagine that's the kind of thing, combined with having the media make him relive it ever since, that can fuck with your head a little bit.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:44:50pm |
re: #34 albusteve
That level of anger needs real assistance. Anger management is legit is a case like this.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:45:02pm |
re: #4 Shiplord Kirel
The profile at hypnothoughts linked to by that blog was created on Jan. 11th. Could it be a spoof?
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FreedomMoon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:45:09pm |
re: #40 Jadespring
Yeah... it's called being shot and watching over a dozen other people shot less then a week ago...
So crazy is contagious? Well as bizarre as it sounds, it does sound very plausible.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:45:12pm |
I believe it was Catherine the Great who said, "Think before you speak but do not think about everthing you think." A lot of people would benefit from this piece of advice.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:45:54pm |
re: #40 Jadespring
Yeah... it's called being shot and watching over a dozen other people shot less then a week ago...
you'd think the point is pretty obvious by now
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:46:35pm |
re: #47 PhillyPretzel
second think is supposed to be speak. Gee I am really having a bad day.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:47:19pm |
re: #44 Rightwingconspirator
That level of anger needs real assistance. Anger management is legit is a case like this.
not my call...maybe he was not even angry, who knows?...non of us, that's for sure
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researchok Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:48:00pm |
re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist
Hopefully this episode will be a red flag to him, or his family, and he'll get seen.
Won't happen.
What is obvious to you, me and most everyone else means little when it comes to mental illness.
If he had displayed symptoms of typhus, cholera, TB or any other communicable disease we would employ mechanisms already in place to quarantine the individual and keep him away from the general population.
Mental illness is different in that no matter how obviously disturbed or dysfunctional the individual is, he or she cannot be quarantined if he or she questions the diagnosis. The problem is decades old and is exacerbated by some cultural shifts (think Cho at VA Tech).
The same applies to serious behavior issues. To remove an obviously disruptive/dangerous student from a classroom can be a production if the parents aren't cooperative, etc.
And that's only a part of the problem.
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Alexzander Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:48:17pm |
re: #41 philosophus invidius
Is that a wee picture of Kant you've got there?
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:49:05pm |
re: #43 Conservative Moonbat
Right. I imagine that's the kind of thing, combined with having the media make him relive it ever since, that can fuck with your head a little bit.
And that's not meant to be an excuse but quite understandable reason that it appears something might be wrong with his " mental decision making abilities."
And this one of the reasons I hate violence. There is some truth to 'violence begets violence and hate begets hate..."
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:49:21pm |
re: #52 researchok
Won't happen.
What is obvious to you, me and most everyone else means little when it comes to mental illness.
If he had displayed symptoms of typhus, cholera, TB or any other communicable disease we would employ mechanisms already in place to quarantine the individual and keep him away from the general population.
Mental illness is different in that no matter how obviously disturbed or dysfunctional the individual is, he or she cannot be quarantined if he or she questions the diagnosis. The problem is decades old and is exacerbated by some cultural shifts (think Cho at VA Tech).
The same applies to serious behavior issues. To remove an obviously disruptive/dangerous student from a classroom can be a production if the parents aren't cooperative, etc.
And that's only a part of the problem.
I'm not sure Fuller is mentally ill in that sense. He may just be on a short fuse.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:50:36pm |
re: #54 Jadespring
More than some truth. It is the truth.
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researchok Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:51:32pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not sure Fuller is mentally ill in that sense. He may just be on a short fuse.
Maybe- but to make a public threat is a whole other thing.
In any event, any pathology left untreated will escalate.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:52:37pm |
re: #46 tacuba14
So crazy is contagious? Well as bizarre as it sounds, it does sound very plausible.
Plausible? It has nothing to do with crazy being contagious. The dude was SHOT, watched many others shot and killed less then a week ago and it doesn't seem plausible that maybe that might just affect the way one thinks, affect their ability to handle stress and perhaps might just cause some anger control issues?
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:53:54pm |
re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist
Mr. Fuller IS the Magical Balance Fairy.
And now that he's done this, those who've been harping on 'but both sides do it' will consider themselves completely vindicated.
I realize he was shot, and he must be utterly freaked out, but DAMN. Way to go, schmuck.
Being shot in an act of political violence and then being blamed for it and mocked by the people who (however indirectly) helped creat the atmosphere for the shooting to happen...
I would be shocked if this goes to a jury. The guy needs competent counseling for what happened. I cannot blame him for being angry. I might well have said the same thing in that circumstance.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:54:15pm |
re: #46 tacuba14
So crazy is contagious? Well as bizarre as it sounds, it does sound very plausible.
wtf?...are you serious?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:54:41pm |
re: #51 albusteve
I'll go by the quacks like a duck rule on this one.
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FreedomMoon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:55:01pm |
re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm not sure Fuller is mentally ill in that sense. He may just be on a short fuse.
We can all speculate, but the truth is none of us are mental health professionals, and the human pysche and everything that encompasses it is more complex than we could ever even imagine.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:55:23pm |
The most important question, however, is this. . .
How on earth are you all going to pin this on Sarah Palin?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:56:25pm |
re: #63 TheGonz
The most important question, however, is this. . .
How on earth are you all going to pin this on Sarah Palin?
already been done, you're late....why?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:56:27pm |
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:56:31pm |
re: #39 elizajane
As the person who first posted the story about Fuller yesterday and said he sounded so thoughtful, I want to say that nothing, not even being shot at by a lunatic, excuses making death threats against people whose responsibility is at best some distance removed from what happened. Or any death threats at all, actually.
All these guys (and gals) mouthing off about shooting and killing their opponents reminds me of my little brother, when he was about five, yelling about how he was going to burn down a restaurant that had served him a bad hamburger. He grew out of that sort of reaction. Evidently Mr. Fuller, like so many other Americans, unfortunately has not.
He wasn't served a bad hamburger. He was shot and nearly killed...and he is being baited by some of the people who created the conditions this happened in. Not the same thing at all.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:56:39pm |
re: #59 celticdragon
Being shot in an act of political violence and then being blamed for it and mocked by the people who (however indirectly) helped creat the atmosphere for the shooting to happen...
I would be shocked if this goes to a jury. The guy needs competent counseling for what happened. I cannot blame him for being angry. I might well have said the same thing in that circumstance.
I wonder what the Tea Party guy said to set him off...
I've got a real short fuse some days and I could see myself saying something really stupid in anger if I had been shot and seen other people die.
(not making excuses...just commenting on my own inability to shut the fuck up at times)
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:57:03pm |
re: #62 tacuba14
That's why I call for proper evaluation. That's all I want to claim. He should be evaluated and then treated according to that. Plus whatever criminal penalty properly applies to his behavior.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:57:43pm |
re: #63 TheGonz
The most important question, however, is this. . .
How on earth are you all going to pin this on Sarah Palin?
MORON FAIL.
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:57:55pm |
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RadicalModerate Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:58:10pm |
Not that it excuses Mr. Fuller for his outburst, (saying "you're dead" is NEVER acceptable behavior) but does anyone know what Trent Humphries said that set him off? I've combed through about a dozen reports on this, and they all mention that it was the Tea Party leader's statement that enraged him, but none of them actually quote Humphries.
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philosophus invidius Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:58:33pm |
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:58:58pm |
re: #63 TheGonz
The most important question, however, is this. . .
How on earth are you all going to pin this on Sarah Palin?
No The most important question is how will Palin use this to paint herself the victim...
Again.
Like I said yesterday Fuller's comments to Democracy Now is going to make it pretty damn hard for the rest of us to pull her off that cross she has nailed herself to.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:59:10pm |
re: #71 RadicalModerate
Not that it excuses Mr. Fuller for his outburst, (saying "you're dead" is NEVER acceptable behavior) but does anyone know what Trent Humphries said that set him off?
Sure sounds like you're looking for an excuse.
Does this fall under the whole "toning down of the rhetoric" thing that you all have been squealing about for the last week?
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 3:59:51pm |
re: #71 RadicalModerate
Not that it excuses Mr. Fuller for his outburst, (saying "you're dead" is NEVER acceptable behavior) but does anyone know what Trent Humphries said that set him off? I've combed through about a dozen reports on this, and they all mention that it was the Tea Party leader's statement that enraged him, but none of them actually quote Humphries.
it seems germane doesn't it?....I wonder too
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:00:33pm |
re: #73 webevintage
Like I said yesterday Fuller's comments to Democracy Now is going to make it pretty damn hard for the rest of us to pull her off that cross she has nailed herself to.
Maybe you all should accuse her of being complicit in a mass murder a little less frequently.
Nah. . .that would make sense. Can't have that, can we?
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:00:34pm |
re: #74 TheGonz
Sure sounds like you're looking for an excuse.
Does this fall under the whole "toning down of the rhetoric" thing that you all have been squealing about for the last week?
Have you bothered to read the discussion so far?
Or maybe you have and just fail in the comprehension dept.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:00:51pm |
re: #67 webevintage
I wonder what the Tea Party guy said to set him off...
I've got a real short fuse some days and I could see myself saying something really stupid in anger if I had been shot and seen other people die.
(not making excuses...just commenting on my own inability to shut the fuck up at times)
The right wing blogs started in on him yesterday when he said the right wing got their 2nd Amendment remedy wishes fulfilled. I think he was correct in some sence, if overly broad in his assertion. Unfortunately, he is starting to react in kind.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:01:15pm |
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:01:16pm |
re: #74 TheGonz
Sure sounds like you're looking for an excuse.
Does this fall under the whole "toning down of the rhetoric" thing that you all have been squealing about for the last week?
looking for facts, not excuses, ditto lips
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reloadingisnotahobby Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:01:36pm |
There is no "Text Book" yet written to explain Loughners derangement !
I think everyone jumped the gun(no pun intended).....
It will be interesting to see what is or isn't his motivation and what was his
"final straw" to do violence on innocent people.
Seems Mr. Fuller has some issues too?
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:01:47pm |
re: #74 TheGonz
You're projecting and antagonizing.
Go ahead and make another sleight about LGF and those here big guy.
MA! THE MEATLOAF! BRING ME THE MEATLOAF!
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RadicalModerate Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:02:23pm |
re: #74 TheGonz
Sure sounds like you're looking for an excuse.
Does this fall under the whole "toning down of the rhetoric" thing that you all have been squealing about for the last week?
Not at all. The very first thing I stated was that Fuller's outburst was inexcusable. I just want to know the full context of the entire confrontation.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:02:39pm |
re: #80 albusteve
looking for facts, not excuses, ditto lips
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
You all haven't been dealing with facts for the past week. Why on earth would you start now?
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:03:16pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
Please find me one person who said that here.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:04:04pm |
re: #76 TheGonz
Maybe you all should accuse her of being complicit in a mass murder a little less frequently.
Nah. . .that would make sense. Can't have that, can we?
Poor Sarah...me me me me me...always about her.
And I will say it again, Palin could have done SO MUCH to chance the rhetoric by just saying "My Bad. That was a stupid to put crosshairs on a map. I apologize and will make it my mission to raise the level of political rhetoric in this country to one of civil discourse. We all could use lessons in how to not demonize the opposition."
But no, Palin just did what she always does, made herself the victim.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:04:15pm |
Charles Johnson, yesterday:
Now watch as Andrew Breitbart, Jim Hoft, and the rest of the right wing blogosphere go into overdrive to smear Mr. Fuller.
Guess they didn't have to. . .appears he's done a damn fine job of smearing himself, thanks.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:04:43pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
That is not a fact in the least, it is a meme and your a liar. Find one quote where Palin was blamed for Loughner or STFU and STFD. You're acting like a child.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:04:44pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
You all haven't been dealing with facts for the past week. Why on earth would you start now?
Medacious troll continues in mendacity.
Dude, you missed your feeding at the bridge.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:04:53pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
You all haven't been dealing with facts for the past week. Why on earth would you start now?
no, facts like what was said to Fuller...are you intentionally stupid?...and when you address me as 'you', mind what you say...you can't substantiate that shit about me
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:05:27pm |
re: #86 webevintage
Poor Sarah...me me me me me...always about her.
And I will say it again, Palin could have done SO MUCH to chance the rhetoric by just saying "My Bad. That was a stupid to put crosshairs on a map. I apologize and will make it my mission to raise the level of political rhetoric in this country to one of civil discourse. We all could use lessons in how to not demonize the opposition."
But no, Palin just did what she always does, made herself the victim.
MEDIA: Sarah Palin directly and knowingly caused the murders of six innocent human beings.
PALIN: No, I didn't.
MEDIA: Stop making it all about you!!! This is about the people who were shot!!!
You people are funny.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:05:32pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
You all haven't been dealing with facts for the past week. Why on earth would you start now?
All right comprehension is the answer then.
You can start by looking up the definitions and differences between the words 'reason' and 'excuse'.
I'll help you along. You can find this out by using something called a 'dictionary."
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:06:22pm |
What a fucking antagonistic liar. Can't even make an attempt at discourse.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:06:29pm |
re: #29 albusteve
needing to take sides is the root of the problem...I think party affiliation is a joke
re: #63 TheGonz
The most important question, however, is this. . .
How on earth are you all going to pin this on Sarah Palin?
You're not coming in to debate, only to stir shit, Mr. 6-Posts-in-Three-Years.
Go sit on a sharp stick...
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:07:28pm |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:07:38pm |
re: #91 TheGonz
Your posting is overdue at RedState. They miss their village idiot.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:08:22pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
You all haven't been dealing with facts for the past week. Why on earth would you start now?
Clearly, you have not actually been reading for the past week.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:08:27pm |
re: #97 wrenchwench
They're obviously a friend of Everybody Knows.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:08:55pm |
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lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:08:59pm |
re: #13 makeitstop
Here's hoping he seeks help before he does something really bad.
Too late now. Threatening murder is really bad. He's going to have to face up to that fact, before the law. There are as many extenuating circumstances as any jury could ask, and he won't pay any huge price, but there'll have to be some sort of stern warning, a lecture and a fine. The law can't just ignore it. The situation is too inflamed.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:09:20pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Clearly, you have not actually been reading for the past week.
It's a lot easier to deal with a place like LGF by just making shit up about it.
Then you don't have to handle stuff like nuance.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:09:27pm |
Awwwwww. . .the little hypocrites don't like having a mirror held up to their own ignorance.
That's okay. . .we know you were wrong to place blame last Saturday the way that you and your left-wing media masters did. It's hard for you to admit it, but that doesn't mean we don't know it's true.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:09:35pm |
[Link: www.instructables.com...]
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:09:50pm |
re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist
Clearly, you have not actually been reading for the past week.
Oh no, the Gonz has been reading. Not here, at all the Winger Woo echo chambers.
Obviously not here at all.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:10:13pm |
You know who commented on how Palin's map could add to the atmosphere of violence in this country and might be a fucking bad idea?
Congresswoman Gifford.....
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:10:42pm |
re: #84 TheGonz
"Facts" like "OH MY GOD, Sarah Palin's map with all the targets on it made Jared Loughner shoot all those people?"
Those sorts of facts?
You all haven't been dealing with facts for the past week. Why on earth would you start now?
Your karma reminds me of the photo I saw from the recovered HUD of a MiG-29 that literally recorded an AIM-9L Sidewinder coming right through the front of the windscreen.
Eject while you can.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:10:51pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
Awww. . .the little hypocrites don't like having a mirror held up to their own ignorance.
That's okay. . .we know you were wrong to place blame last Saturday the way that you and your left-wing media masters did. It's hard for you to admit it, but that doesn't mean we don't know it's true.
who's we?...you gotta mouse in your pocket, or just out for some recon?...you have some backup?...what a scary thought, a herd of morons!
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:11:12pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
"Left-wing media masters"?
The media is a vaccilating heap of lukewarm flatulence, craven and poltroonish. They're masters of nothing, not even themselves.
Are you trying to parody Jim Hoft? Can't be done.
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Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:11:37pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
Were you born an asshole or did you work it your whole life?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:11:41pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
Now you're just trolling for the lulz...just flounce by telling Charles you hate his guts and be on your merry way.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:11:58pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
That's okay. . .we know you were wrong to place blame last Saturday the way that you and your left-wing media masters did. It's hard for you to admit it, but that doesn't mean we don't know it's true.
We? You and TheSyphz?
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:12:19pm |
re: #109 celticdragon
Your karma reminds me of the photo I saw from the recovered HUD of a MiG-29 that literally recorded an AIM-9L Sidewinder coming right through the front of the windscreen.
Eject while you can.
And your karma reminds me of some sawed-off jackass making a death threat in public to a Tea Party leader after jumping up and down and whining and complaining about Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh.
Only that actually happened.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:12:20pm |
re: #102 lostlakehiker
Too late now. Threatening murder is really bad. He's going to have to face up to that fact, before the law. There are as many extenuating circumstances as any jury could ask, and he won't pay any huge price, but there'll have to be some sort of stern warning, a lecture and a fine. The law can't just ignore it. The situation is too inflamed.
This won't make it to a jury. Disorderly conduct is a misdemeanor anyway, and I predict the charge will be dropped.
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:12:28pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
Awww. . .the little hypocrites don't like having a mirror held up to their own ignorance.
That's okay. . .we know you were wrong to place blame last Saturday the way that you and your left-wing media masters did. It's hard for you to admit it, but that doesn't mean we don't know it's true.
You can't handle the truth...that is obvious.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:12:33pm |
re: #104 TheGonz
Awww. . .the little hypocrites don't like having a mirror held up to their own ignorance.
That's okay. . .we know you were wrong to place blame last Saturday the way that you and your left-wing media masters did. It's hard for you to admit it, but that doesn't mean we don't know it's true.
"We'? Ah a I see now you are declaring yourself a spokesman for who exactly? LOL. The royal we... heh.
So not only suffering from a comprehension deficiency but delusions of grandeur and importance.
| 120 |
Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:13:16pm |
I've refined a teryaki marinade/glaze usually used for tri tip. However, it might work on troll.
Then again, this one is nasty and no amount of salt or marinade will get teh stupid aftertaste out.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:13:31pm |
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:14:32pm |
re: #116 TheGonz
And your karma reminds me of some sawed-off jackass making a death threat in public to a Tea Party leader after jumping up and down and whining and complaining about Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh.
Only that actually happened.
Sawed off jackass....I think you mean victim of the Tuscon shooting don't you?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:14:56pm |
re: #101 talon_262
In relative terms, I mean.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:15:03pm |
re: #116 TheGonz
And your karma reminds me of some sawed-off jackass making a death threat in public to a Tea Party leader after jumping up and down and whining and complaining about Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh.
Only that actually happened.
Chock full of ironic internet win. I can't believe this person is actually this obtusely ignorant.
Performance art, maybe?
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:15:11pm |
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:15:37pm |
I had the urge to go on an LVQ'esque tirade that would make even him blush. Instead I'm going to go get a beer, one of these.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:15:52pm |
re: #116 TheGonz
And your karma reminds me of some sawed-off jackass making a death threat in public to a Tea Party leader after jumping up and down and whining and complaining about Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh.
Only that actually happened.
Oh, get over yourself. This sort of thing is just clean American political wrangling.
Or so the likes of you have been insisting since you woke up last week and panicked.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:16:10pm |
re: #124 celticdragon
Chock full of ironic internet win. I can't believe this person is actually this obtusely ignorant.
Performance art, maybe?
Well I'd only give it 2 stars if it is.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:16:17pm |
re: #122 webevintage
Sawed off jackass...I think you mean victim of the Tuscon shooting don't you?
The one that decided that getting shot by somebody with no political connection to anybody that anyone can prove gave him carte blanche to make death threats to people he disagrees with politically?
Yeah, that's the guy.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:16:28pm |
re: #125 TheGonz
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Yes, it is good news, in fact, as many people on this thread have commented, that he was arrested. It's weird that you didn't notice that, but apparently you don't bother engaging with reality much.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
On the charge of..?
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:17:08pm |
In case we forget this is what Gifford said last year about Palin's map:
"We're on Sarah Palin's targeted list. But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun site over our district. People do that they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:17:32pm |
re: #125 TheGonz
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
What, pray tell, do you consider Paul Krugman to be guilty of?
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:17:59pm |
re: #125 TheGonz
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
Ah. An authoritarian troll who wants critics jailed.
Beautiful. Tell us who else is on your enemy list.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:18:29pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
What, pray tell, do you consider Paul Krugman to be guilty of?
He hurt Palin's fee fees I think....
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:18:32pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
What, pray tell, do you consider Paul Krugman to be guilty of?
First amendment rights? Just like Sarah!!
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researchok Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:18:50pm |
Gonz
What do you expect to find here? This site caters to a more liberal crowd in the same way Hoft, et al, cater to a more conservative crowd.
In the same way Hoft and others have their over the top commenters, there will inevitably be the same here.
That said, there is a difference between LGF and other sites.
Here, if you make an argument rationally and deliberately you will always find a willing audience. Yes, there will be some knee jerk responses (and sometimes lots of that) but overall, make a good argument and you'll find vigorous and worthy debate. The same cannot be said for very many right wing pundits.
This site is primarily a community and less of an oversized soapbox. People here argue, have fun, get angry and manage to work things out without letting things get personal for too long.
By all means, make your argument, don't make it personal and don't take things too personally.
Lastly, people here have been known to change their minds, irrespective of ideological tilt. That doesn't happen anywhere else near as often as it does here.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:19:12pm |
re: #125 TheGonz
Yawn. Same old boring troll is boring.
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FreedomMoon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:19:14pm |
re: #125 TheGonz
While he clearly is trolling for shock and attention, it may be therapuetic to get it out of his system. Once he feels he told everyone "off" it should be his last appearance, either by his will or a good ol' fashioned banning.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:19:41pm |
re: #134 webevintage
He hurt Palin's fee fees I think...
Odd, since he mentioned her once by name, in the context of describing the atmosphere at her rallies with McCain.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:19:46pm |
re: #136 researchok
What do you expect to find here? This site caters to a more liberal crowd in the same way Hoft, et al, cater to a more conservative crowd.
Er... I don't think that came out exactly as you intended.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:19:51pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
What, pray tell, do you consider Paul Krugman to be guilty of?
Having an actual brain? And maybe being able to read and comprehend more then just "See Jane run. Run Jane Run?"
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jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:19:56pm |
re: #129 TheGonz
The one that decided that getting shot by somebody with no political connection to anybody that anyone can prove gave him carte blanche to make death threats to people he disagrees with politically?
Why didn't you pop up earlier to complain about people talking about 2nd Amendment remedies?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:20:18pm |
re: #142 jaunte
Why didn't you pop up earlier to complain about people talking about 2nd Amendment remedies?
Because he did not give a shit.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:20:38pm |
re: #138 tacuba14
While he clearly is trolling for shock and attention, it may be therapuetic to get it out of his system. Once he feels he told everyone "off" it should be his last appearance, either by his will or a good ol' fashioned banning.
I know Charles is watching this thread closely. Will Gonz take the bait and flounce?
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zora Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:21:42pm |
re: #113 Gus 802
Were you born an asshole or did you work it your whole life?
or go to beck college.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:21:53pm |
re: #133 celticdragon
Ah. An authoritarian troll who wants critics jailed.
Beautiful. Tell us who else is on your enemy list.
Yeah, no shit. I think this is one of those EuroTrolls that has a crush on Pamz. No doubt once the ban stick drops Charles will get a nasty email to 'Chucky' including sadistic homo sexual references and a veiled threat.
The internet makes it safe for that because he'd not do this shit in public where he lives.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:22:39pm |
re: #142 jaunte
Why didn't you pop up earlier to complain about people talking about 2nd Amendment remedies?
Who knows. . .probably for the same reason that neither you nor anybody else here cared about "toning down the rhetoric" until you got four or five days to accuse conservatives of being complicit in a mass murder.
Convenience, I guess.
| 149 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:22:49pm |
This one's a relative of Alaska Kim, isn't it?
A little more verbose, maybe, but the level of annoying is about the same.
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:23:58pm |
re: #136 researchok
This site caters to a more liberal crowd in the same way Hoft, et al, cater to a more conservative crowd.
To my mind, this site is mostly not *illiberal*. Not a few here wish conservatism of the Goldwater stripe was still welcomed in the GOP.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:24:08pm |
re: #148 TheGonz
What are you talking about? People have been complaining about the violent rhetoric coming from the right for long, long before this. Remember the attempted attack on the Tides Foundation, where the shooter got into a firefight with the California police? The one who cited Beck as his inspiration?
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:24:39pm |
re: #148 TheGonz
Who knows. . .probably for the same reason that neither you nor anybody else here cared about "toning down the rhetoric" until you got four or five days to accuse conservatives of being complicit in a mass murder.
Convenience, I guess.
Well it doesn't look like you have much interest in it either. It's not exactly 'toning it down' to suggest that people critical of your worldview need to be jailed.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:24:50pm |
re: #148 TheGonz
Lying liars lie. Gonz, link to where anybody has done anything of which you accuse.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:25:21pm |
re: #151 Obdicut
What are you talking about? People have been complaining about the violent rhetoric coming from the right for long, long before this. Remember the attempted attack on the Tides Foundation, where the shooter got into a firefight with the California police? The one who cited Beck as his inspiration?
No such interest in complaining about violent rhetoric coming from the left, though. Believe me, there's plenty of it.
Thank you for helping me to prove my point.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:25:43pm |
re: #148 TheGonz
Who knows. . .probably for the same reason that neither you nor anybody else here cared about "toning down the rhetoric" until you got four or five days to accuse conservatives of being complicit in a mass murder.
Convenience, I guess.
Since your hooked on phonics lesson plan got lost in the mail, I suggest you improve your tactile point and click skills instead to see the pictures from the past year where Charles has pointed out the problems with incendiary rhetoric. If my words are too big for you, I will try to substitute something more to your liking.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:25:49pm |
re: #148 TheGonz
Who knows. . .probably for the same reason that neither you nor anybody else here cared about "toning down the rhetoric" until you got four or five days to accuse conservatives of being complicit in a mass murder.
Convenience, I guess.
That's ridiculous. The rhetoric we're talking about has been a major topic of discussion on this blog for a couple of years, and people have repeatedly expressed their fear that it would boil over into violence.
Everyone on this thread has condemned Mr. Fuller's actions.
You're raging against people in your imagination, which may be fun, but is hardly useful.
| 158 |
Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:26:29pm |
Gonz, go get me a beer. While you're at have your momz get us some meatloaf.
| 159 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:26:34pm |
Lets move on beyond the troll, and just scroll. Back to the thread. Just the same old, same old.
| 160 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:26:37pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:27:24pm |
re: #155 TheGonz
No such interest in complaining about violent rhetoric coming from the left, though. Believe me, there's plenty of it.
Thank you for helping me to prove my point.
Please find me a Democrat running for the Senate who's said something on a par with Angle's "Second Amendment remedies" line.
| 162 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:27:58pm |
Saturday night sucks for tv.
So many channels.
Nothing on.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:28:26pm |
re: #155 TheGonz
But I don't believe you, TheGonz. Because there is no equivalence. There have been a few small examples coming from the left. There has been a constant refrain from many on the right of the theme of revolution, of armed resistance against tyranny, of second amendment solutions-- and there has been no repudiation of them from the GOP leadership.
What's more, as Killgore has pointed out, the dehumanizing and apocalyptic rhetoric is even more dangerous than the outright violent rhetoric. "2nd amendment solutions" is bad as hell, a direct threat of violence, but it's even worse to say that Obama is working to bring the United States down. That is an accusation that means that any patriotic American should be willing to give their lives to stop him.
Do you understand?
| 164 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:28:51pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
Ever notice that the crazy voices in peoples heads never seem to tell them to STFD and STFU?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:29:01pm |
re: #159 Rightwingconspirator
Lets move on beyond the troll, and just scroll. Back to the thread. Just the same old, same old.
Good notion.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:29:42pm |
re: #155 TheGonz
No such interest in complaining about violent rhetoric coming from the left, though. Believe me, there's plenty of it.
Thank you for helping me to prove my point.
Lots of lefty politicians talking about Second Amendment remedies and wanting their voters to be "armed and dangerous". I found all kinds of pictures of lefty people bringing AR-15 rifles and Ruger P-94's to political rallies dontchaknow.
Yessir!
I bet you even heard there was a couple of left wing terrorist groups back in the early 1970's, you betcha!
///
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:29:42pm |
re: #164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Ever notice that the crazy voices in peoples heads never seem to tell them to STFD and STFU?
Perhaps, they do, but people ignore them because it isn't what they want to hear.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:29:49pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
That's ridiculous. The rhetoric we're talking about has been a major topic of discussion on this blog for a couple of years, and people have repeatedly expressed their fear that it would boil over into violence.
Everyone on this thread has condemned Mr. Fuller's actions.
You're raging against people in your imagination, which may be fun, but is hardly useful.
Too much reality SFZ. Will not compute in BWAINZ! of Wight Wing Zombie.
If you want Zombie's attention say 'STUPID LIBERALZ. LOL' and type in leading sentences... just ask questions....
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:29:55pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
Please find me a Democrat running for the Senate who's said something on a par with Angle's "Second Amendment remedies" line.
How about a guy running for a seat in the House?
"Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." - (Former) Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)
Wow. . .shocking that the guy lost his re-election bid.
I can only assume that this quote is why you put that "for the Senate" qualifier on your statement. Good try.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:31:17pm |
re: #162 Jadespring
Saturday night sucks for tv.
So many channels.
Nothing on.
I gave up on tv. Even when something watchable is on I don't have the patience to sit through commercials anymore.
| 171 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:31:19pm |
Glad to see the Safeway reopen. The best way to discourage other unstable violent loons out there is move on, heal the wounded. Take the lessons leaned and just get back to normalcy. In a way these nuts are attention mongers. The news frenzy feeds their sickness all too often.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:31:56pm |
re: #155 TheGonz
By the way. Gonz, get me some cheetos and a Sam Adams while you are up, okay sweetie?
/
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:32:35pm |
re: #162 Jadespring
Saturday night sucks for tv.
So many channels.
Nothing on.
The PBS station in DC is airing _It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World_. Coincidence?
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Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:32:41pm |
re: #125 TheGonz
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
So now you're pleading to arrest "the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world"? For what? For having an opinion? Sounds like a third world dictatorship fantasy to me bordering on a severe case of National Socialist tendencies -- oh I mean Nazi really.
| 175 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:32:43pm |
re: #169 TheGonz
How about a guy running for a seat in the House?
"Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." - (Former) Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)
Wow. . .shocking that the guy lost his re-election bid.
I can only assume that this quote is why you put that "for the Senate" qualifier on your statement. Good try.
A good riddance to him. He deserves to not be elected or be in politics if he's spewing crap like that.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:33:28pm |
re: #155 TheGonz
No such interest in complaining about violent rhetoric coming from the left, though. Believe me, there's plenty of it.
You mean like this:
"We're on Sarah Palin's targeted list. But the thing is the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun site over our district. People do that they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."
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tradewind Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:33:34pm |
So this is the Fuller, from a few threads back?
Really, he can't be held responsible for his comments.
First, there's the PTSD, and then, (and mainly) he's surrounded by a climate of hate, and it just rubbed off.
Or something.
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elizajane Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:33:44pm |
re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist
Please find me a Democrat running for the Senate who's said something on a par with Angle's "Second Amendment remedies" line.
You've got to just stop responding to this troll's talking points. He's heard all the responses before. He doesn't give a sh*t about any reasoned viewpoint. Nothing you say, no amount of evidence, is actually going to convince him of anything beyond what Beck et al. have told him to think.
As for Kanjorski, yes, Huffington called him out on that OTT rhetoric too. And when are the right-wing blogs going to call out their idiots?
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:33:56pm |
re: #170 Killgore Trout
I gave up on tv. Even when something watchable is on I don't have the patience to sit through commercials anymore.
I usually just DVR and forward through the commercials. I've watched everything I taped this week though.
Might be time to look through the DVD collection.
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:34:12pm |
there might be more to this story. He wasn't taken to jail. He was taken to a medical facility.
TUCSON, Ariz. — A victim from the Tucson mass shooting was taken into custody Saturday after allegedly threatening a Tea Party spokesman during the taping of an ABC-TV town hall event hosted by Christianne Amanpour.The Pima County Sheriff's Office said J. Eric Fuller, 63, was involuntarily committed to an undisclosed medical facility, NBC News reported.
He faces charges of threats and intimidation and disorderly conduct, according to Tucson TV station KGUN.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:34:36pm |
re: #149 makeitstop
This one's a relative of Alaska Kim, isn't it?
A little more verbose, maybe, but the level of annoying is about the same.
Naw, she was a just an uneducated twit (not knowing who Bach is? Good grief). This one works at it. He'd be example one if they ever create "criminal stupidity" LOL.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:35:01pm |
re: #169 TheGonz
How about a guy running for a seat in the House?
"Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." - (Former) Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)
Wow. . .shocking that the guy lost his re-election bid.
I can only assume that this quote is why you put that "for the Senate" qualifier on your statement. Good try.
You found an unknown back bencher who said something stupid.
ZOMG!!! THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!
You can have a cookie now. Brush your teeth afterwards, dear.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:36:01pm |
re: #169 TheGonz
How about a guy running for a seat in the House?
"Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him." - (Former) Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D-PA)
Wow. . .shocking that the guy lost his re-election bid.
I can only assume that this quote is why you put that "for the Senate" qualifier on your statement. Good try.
No, actually it's a new quote to me. I assume it's also a new quote to you, since I haven't seen it used by your compadres before. There must have been some busy digging going on.
Now, let's try this, and you watch closely: That was a disgusting thing to say, and dangerous. I am thoroughly disgusted that a candidate for the house would say something like that. He shouldn't have said it.
See how easy that was? Now you try it.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:36:18pm |
re: #182 celticdragon
You found an unknown back bencher who said something stupid.
ZOMG!!! THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!!!
You can have a cookie now. Brush your teeth afterwards, dear.
A 13-term Congressman (who lost his bid for a 14th term) is now a "back bencher?"
Really?
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Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:36:42pm |
How can debate argue with a moron that thinks Paul Krugman and Bill Maher should be in prison. TheGonz isn't even a real American. He sounds like a Latin American dictator wannabe.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:37:17pm |
re: #185 Gus 802
How can debate argue with a moron that thinks Paul Krugman and Bill Maher should be in prison. TheGonz isn't even a real American. He sounds like a Latin American dictator wannabe.
Oh my, seems I missed something.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:37:32pm |
re: #185 Gus 802
How can debate argue with a moron that thinks Paul Krugman and Bill Maher should be in prison. TheGonz isn't even a real American. He sounds like a Latin American dictator wannabe.
True dat.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:38:07pm |
re: #184 TheGonz
A 13-term Congressman (who lost his bid for a 14th term) is now a "back bencher?"
Really?
So Gonz, now that you found a Dem congressman say something nasty and offensive, and we all agree it's rhetoric that should stop... will you acknowledge that Tea Baggers have said similar and should tone it down?
Surprise me.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:38:11pm |
re: #185 Gus 802
How can debate argue with a moron that thinks Paul Krugman and Bill Maher should be in prison. TheGonz isn't even a real American. He sounds like a Latin American dictator wannabe.
Venezuelan perhaps?
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:38:14pm |
re: #185 Gus 802
Yeah. He's just trolling. he's not going to engage with reality, acknowledge any points, or otherwise engage with debate. He's just here to, rather disgustingly, gloat because another ugly incident occurred. Which is ironic, given that's exactly the charge that was being made against those bad, bad 'lefties' in the wake of the shooting.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:38:43pm |
re: #186 Varek Raith
Oh my, seems I missed something.
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
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Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:39:09pm |
re: #191 Obdicut
Yeah. He's just trolling. he's not going to engage with reality, acknowledge any points, or otherwise engage with debate. He's just here to, rather disgustingly, gloat because another ugly incident occurred. Which is ironic, given that's exactly the charge that was being made against those bad, bad 'lefties' in the wake of the shooting.
Just another stalker personality.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:39:43pm |
re: #192 Jadespring
Oops messed up the quotes. Sorry Varek. :(
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:40:47pm |
re: #189 BigPapa
So Gonz, now that you found a Dem congressman say something nasty and offensive, and we all agree it's rhetoric that should stop... will you acknowledge that Tea Baggers have said similar and should tone it down?
Surprise me.
See, here's the thing.
I've never once said that both sides shouldn't tone it down. What I've done is pointed out. . .correctly. . .that most of you folks only want one side to "tone it down."
For the most part, what the argument amounts to is "Hey, conservatives, shut up and take whatever we feel like dishing out." Why yes, I have an issue with that. Sorry if neither you nor anyone else can grasp that.
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brownbagj Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:41:06pm |
re: #193 Gus 802
Gus, with you back I assume you are better? Thought about you today and hope all is well.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:41:47pm |
Some here gave Gonz the benefit of the doubt and tried to have a rational discussion with him. But not going to happen.
I have little doubt that at the first strains upon society Gonz would have no problem putting on a brown shirt to start thuggin it up, maybe even putting people like Krugman against the wall and gleefully hurr durr durring about 'real Patriotism' and what not.
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Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:42:16pm |
re: #196 brownbagj
Gus, with you back I assume you are better? Thought about you today and hope all is well.
Nah. I have to go back next week. I'll explain more in another thread since TheGonz has taken a shit all over this thread.
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celticdragon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:42:53pm |
re: #184 TheGonz
A 13-term Congressman (who lost his bid for a 14th term) is now a "back bencher?"
Really?
Anybody outside of Pa ever hear of the guy?
Didn't think so.
I looked at his committe assignments. Strictly second string stuff.
Committee on Financial Services[4]
Subcommittee on Capital Markets, Insurance, and Government-Sponsored Enterprises (Chairman)
Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit
Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform[4]
Subcommittee on Government Management, Organization, and Procurement
Subcommittee on Information Policy, Census, and National Archives
The guy seems to have not writtn any important legislation that I can find.
Back bencher getting pork for his district. That's it.
Oh, by the by...the left did condemn what he said...so fuck off with your bullshit about equivalency.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:43:39pm |
re: #195 TheGonz
Do you know how to link to a page that has evidence to support your claims? Any comment made on this site can be linked to. Your other assertions must be based on something, right?
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RadicalModerate Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:44:01pm |
While the troll was being roasted here, I spent a little time doing some research, and found this- the guy who Eric Fuller is accused of making a death thread against is the same Tea Party leader who stated that Gabreille Giffords was to blame for her assasination attempt - I'm starting to wonder if he might have said the same thing - stating that Fuller was responsible for his own injuries.
Trent Humphries blames Giffords for Saturday’s shooting
There's video of Humphries in the link, btw.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:44:37pm |
re: #195 TheGonz
See, here's the thing.
I've never once said that both sides shouldn't tone it down. What I've done is pointed out. . .correctly. . .that most of you folks only want one side to "tone it down."
For the most part, what the argument amounts to is "Hey, conservatives, shut up and take whatever we feel like dishing out." Why yes, I have an issue with that. Sorry if neither you nor anyone else can grasp that.
I know you never said both sides should tone it down, I asked you and you have not answered. Either you don't want to or you're dense. Again: should both sides tone it down? Any side? Or is it acceptable?
You're projecting in your last sentence. Cynical, partisan, pathetic.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:44:49pm |
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bratwurst Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:46:35pm |
The right is being given an invaluable gift in the form of Sarah Palin being sidelined permanently...but there are a few idiots too stupid to take it.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:46:43pm |
re: #195 TheGonz
See, here's the thing.
I've never once said that both sides shouldn't tone it down. What I've done is pointed out. . .correctly. . .that most of you folks only want one side to "tone it down."
No you just suggested that people on one side deserve to be in prison and that you hope it will happen soon.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:48:31pm |
re: #204 RadicalModerate
Trent Humphries blames Giffords for Saturday’s shooting
There's video of Humphries in the link, btw.
Jesus, what an ass....
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:50:39pm |
So hey on a totally unrelated topic would any of the gardeners here like to participate in a small project this growing season?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:54:07pm |
re: #211 Jadespring
So hey on a totally unrelated topic would any of the gardeners here like to participate in a small project this growing season?
What do you have in mind? I'm starting to plan my garden projects for the spring. I'll also be posting a few pages soon with some of my winter garden harvests to give folks ideas and recipes for reliable crops that most people aren't familiar with.
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krypto Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:54:08pm |
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]re: #19 Bastet
... it may have been this Trent guy, came out and said Giffords getting shot was her own fault! ... .
You mean this interview that Trent Humphreys had with the Guardian?
"It's political gamesmanship. The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?" he said. "
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jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:54:45pm |
re: #210 webevintage
Good comment from 'grumpy old man' in the Guardian thread:
The kind of narrative that the Tea Party trades in is shot through with ignorance, hatred, bigotry, and the underlying threat of violence towards those they don't agree with, particularly if the latter are in government.Now they have the gall to claim that they are misunderstood victims for whom we should feel pity.
I would be more inclined to sympathise with the Tea Party if they were to renounce the use of vitriolic rhetoric and accept the principle that in a democracy, you occasionally get governments you don't like.
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:55:54pm |
re: #180 otoc
there might be more to this story. He wasn't taken to jail. He was taken to a medical facility.
Gee, I know I'm new around here and don't understand all the dynamics, but let's try this again with another quote because reacting to first run news minutes after it is released doesn't always reflect reality.
There could be more to this than simply Arizona turning into the wild west.
KGUN reported that Fuller took exception to comments by Republican state Rep. Terri Proud and Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.Fuller reportedly took a picture of Humphries and said, “You’re dead.”
Some media reports said Fuller kept booing and making other remarks before deputies escorted him from the church.
If this was a simple threat, then jail it would be. If the report that the police took him to a medical facility is true, then why? Was he injured? He sounded like he was acting more erratically then threatening.
Sorry for the double post here, but hey, this could change the entire story, no?
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:56:18pm |
re: #205 BigPapa
Again: should both sides tone it down? Any side? Or is it acceptable?
Of course they should. You'd have to be "Sarah Palin was complicit in mass murder" levels of stupid to think otherwise, wouldn't you?
Not sure what this whole "go house" thing is, either. Do you have to be stupid to understand it, or is it just helpful?
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:57:10pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:57:52pm |
BBL. While I'd stay to see the Troll get his just reward, it's bedtime for the little guy.
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:58:23pm |
re: #219 wlewisiii
BBL. While I'd stay to see the Troll get his just reward, it's bedtime for the little guy.
We'll set up the camera. Replays later.
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Batman Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:58:28pm |
Wow this totally absolves Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, almost the entire GOP, and the rest of Fox News.
Oh wait, no it doesn't.
This isn't even Magical Balance Fairy territory. This is one guy issuing death threats, not an entire block of the media and politicians in the country issuing veiled threats and instigating "Second Amendment solutions."
Hold that mirror closer; we're looking pretty good.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:58:35pm |
re: #212 Killgore Trout
What do you have in mind? I'm starting to plan my garden projects for the spring. I'll also be posting a few pages soon with some of my winter garden harvests to give folks ideas and recipes for reliable crops that most people aren't familiar with.
Have you ever tried growing quinoa? I'm doing some experimentation with it this year to see how well it grows in my area. A few other people are going to try a few plants in their gardens. I figured if anyone here was interested in trying, even if it was just a few plants, it would be great to have some info from other regions as well.
I'd even be willing to send out the seed.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 4:59:45pm |
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zora Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:00:25pm |
re: #222 Jadespring
Have you ever tried growing quinoa? I'm doing some experimentation with it this year to see how well it grows in my area. A few other people are going to try a few plants in their gardens. I figured if anyone here was interested in trying, even if it was just a few plants, it would be great to have some info from other regions as well.
I'd even be willing to send out the seed.
i'd love to try to grow quinoa. my garden last year was a bust.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:02:04pm |
re: #223 Killgore Trout
I hear they're helpful keeping away some pests but I've never tried them. My major problem is slugs. Hopefully my new army of frogs will help with that this year.
Believe it or not, we have snail problems here in the desert. (Just little buggers, though.) The marigolds really seem to help. I think they keep the aphids down some too.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:02:06pm |
re: #223 Killgore Trout
Marigolds are good for repelling pests. I do not have information about slugs.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:03:34pm |
re: #225 zora
i'd love to try to grow quinoa. my garden last year was a bust.
Great. :) When I get it organized I'll let you know.
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TheGonz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:03:38pm |
re: #208 Jadespring
No you just suggested that people on one side deserve to be in prison and that you hope it will happen soon.
Yep, probably a little rash on my part. Oh, well. . .I can admit my error.
Unlike some.
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albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:04:19pm |
re: #223 Killgore Trout
I hear they're helpful keeping away some pests but I've never tried them. My major problem is slugs. Hopefully my new army of frogs will help with that this year.
LOL...you won't have slugs, just hundreds or even thousands of hungry frogs giving you the mal ojo!...in the drive, on window sills, all across the yard, swarming, croaking, mean assed frogs everywhere
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:04:32pm |
more news on fuller...
Man wounded in Tucson shooting arrested at meeting
A victim in the mass shooting north of Tucson attending a special town hall today was arrested after his outburst at another man who spoke in support of gun ownership.The Pima County Sheriff's Department said it arrested Eric Fuller, 63, who was wounded in the knee a week ago in the shooting rampage that killed six and wounded 13. He was being held Saturday for alleged threats of intimidation and disorderly conduct and will undergo a mental-health evaluation.
The incident took place near the end of a taping of ABC's weekly "Town Hall" with news anchor Christiane Amanpour.
The program, which airs Sunday and is called "Tragedy in Tucson: An American Conversation Continued," reunited many victims, initial responders to the shooting scene and witnesses. Open to the public, the forum at a Catholic church was designed to promote conversation and healing a week after the grocery-store shooting.
Most of the of taping was calm and at times emotional as witnesses recounted the events in which a gunman opened fire at a local Safeway, killing six and wounding 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
Toward the end of the taping, Amanpour brought up the issues of gun safety and mental health. As one member of the audience stood up and expressed his support for gun ownership, Fuller, seated near the front in an area reserved for victims and special guests, appeared increasingly frustrated and agitated.
Fuller then swiveled in his chair, raised his camera and took a photo of the pro-gun speaker, muttering, "You're dead," according to Joel Tranter, who was sitting behind him.
"I told him, 'You need to be respectful. You need to calm down,'" Tranter said. "He said, 'What'd you do, vote for this guy?'"
As police officers approached to escort Fuller outside, he turned and shouted at the audience: "You whores!"
The rest of the taping continued without incident and wrapped up about five minutes later.Outside, Fuller was arrested for making threats, said Capt. Byron Gwaltney of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
"He's currently in our custody and we're in the process of dealing with that investigation to see what charges will be made," Gwaltney said.Fuller's actions could be a response to the trauma he suffered a week ago, said Dr. Laura Nelson, deputy director for the behavioral health sciences division at the Arizona Department of Health.
"Grief after what happened here in Tucson last week is a completely normal reaction, and ... anger is a very common symptom of grief," said Nelson, who had been invited to speak at the forum. "I hope that he'll get the help that he needs to get through this very difficult time."
Fuller, who works as a signature collector for political initiatives, was about 10 to 15 feet away from Giffords, talking to her volunteers, when the shots erupted on Jan. 8. He said earlier this week he was hit by a bullet when he dove to the ground to play dead. He decided that because he didn't have any medical training to help others, he walked to his car and drove himself to the nearest hospital.
About 100 people attended the taping, which took place at St. Odilia Church less than a mile from the Safeway where the shooting occurred.
Among the guests were Patricia Maisch, Bill Badger and Daniel Hernandez, who were attending Giffords' event when the shooting occurred; Bill Hileman, husband of Susan Hileman, who was wounded in the rampage; U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Floirda, a friend of Giffords', and Rick Kastigar of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:05:25pm |
re: #223 Killgore Trout
I hear they're helpful keeping away some pests but I've never tried them. My major problem is slugs. Hopefully my new army of frogs will help with that this year.
Ducks really do a number on slugs.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:07:17pm |
re: #231 otoc
Thanks, that gives a slightly better account of what happened.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:07:56pm |
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RadicalModerate Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:09:24pm |
re: #215 otoc
Gee, I know I'm new around here and don't understand all the dynamics, but let's try this again with another quote because reacting to first run news minutes after it is released doesn't always reflect reality.
There could be more to this than simply Arizona turning into the wild west.
If this was a simple threat, then jail it would be. If the report that the police took him to a medical facility is true, then why? Was he injured? He sounded like he was acting more erratically then threatening.Sorry for the double post here, but hey, this could change the entire story, no?
It looks like Fuller was committed to a mental facility, according to news reports coming out now:
[Link: www.wsoctv.com...]
TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the victims from the Tucson shootings has been arrested and involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, according to the Pima County Sheriff's Office.
Eric Fuller was arrested Saturday after authorities said he shouted "You're dead" to Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries, KPHO-TV in Phoenix reported.
Humphries was speaking at a town hall event to discuss the shootings that happened a week earlier outside a Tucson Safeway store.
Pima County sheriff's spokesman Jason Ogan said that Fuller has been charged with threats and intimidation and also will be charged with disorderly conduct.
In addition, Ogan said Fuller has been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:09:57pm |
re: #222 Jadespring
Have you ever tried growing quinoa? I'm doing some experimentation with it this year to see how well it grows in my area. A few other people are going to try a few plants in their gardens. I figured if anyone here was interested in trying, even if it was just a few plants, it would be great to have some info from other regions as well.
I'd even be willing to send out the seed.
Very interesting. Since I've never even heard of it I had to google it. Quinoa. Sounds very interesting and just the kind of thing I'm becoming more interested in. Obscure, forgotten but reliable indigenous American crops.
I do have some space that I can use to experiment with but I'm not sure how well it will do here in Oregon but it does have a relatively short growing season so it might work.
I notice that this common brand is available in most grocery stores and as long as it isn't toasted I can probably sprout from store bought seeds.
I've added it to my list and I'll give it a try.
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:10:27pm |
re: #229 TheGonz
Yep, probably a little rash on my part. Oh, well. . .I can admit my error.
Unlike some.
I now pronounce you and annefrance husband and wife
//Long time lizards get the reference
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:10:55pm |
re: #237 HoosierHoops
I now pronounce you and annefrance husband and wife
//Long time lizards get the reference
167!
or something.
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:12:07pm |
re: #235 RadicalModerate
It looks like Fuller was committed to a mental facility, according to news reports coming out now:
[Link: www.wsoctv.com...]
Sad. Probably for the best, though. It sounds like there's an awful lot of unresolved anger there.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:14:17pm |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
Very interesting. Since I've never even heard of it I had to google it. Quinoa. Sounds very interesting and just the kind of thing I'm becoming more interested in. Obscure, forgotten but reliable indigenous American crops.
I do have some space that I can use to experiment with but I'm not sure how well it will do here in Oregon but it does have a relatively short growing season so it might work.
I notice that this common brand is available in most grocery stores and as long as it isn't toasted I can probably sprout from store bought seeds.
I've added it to my list and I'll give it a try.
That would be great. I'm going to be putting in my regular garden and probably plowing up half of my field to try it a field crop situation. What's neat about it is can be used in both types of settings. It grows tall though. You can also use the younger leaves as salad greens or cook them like spinach so even if the season isn't long enough for it to form a good harvestable seed head you can still get something out of it.
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:15:22pm |
re: #234 Obdicut
Ah. So he muttered it under his breath.
Rather different.
I see it differently than that. All the first accounts simply related he was arrested and made a threat. To put someone under medical evaluation says that there was cause to think he was not of his right mind.
Now, think about how many sites have posted the first news, and condemned him as a hypocrite liberal.
Think about the relationship to the Loughner case where no one did anything to help a sick kid or went rallying to the cause of what he believed in, be it left or right.
The internet is a marvelous thing with news tweeted as it happens. But sometimes a little restraint until all the info comes in might do us all a bit of good so we don't have to change our position.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:16:58pm |
re: #235 RadicalModerate
It looks like Fuller was committed to a mental facility, according to news reports coming out now:
[Link: www.wsoctv.com...]
Something that should have been done with Loughner--not indefinitely, but I think the real debate that we should have about this shooting is the real problem of how we deal with the mentally ill. A couple weeks of forced confinement for Loughner under medical attention could have helped society by identifying/quantifying what kind of risk this guy was to the rest of us. It maybe even could have put Loughner in touch with the right resources to deal with his illness.
Instead, we are having all these debates about vitriol and over the top rhetoric.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:17:20pm |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
We eat it from time to time. Interesting staple food. It picks up flavors like rice does.
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:19:33pm |
re: #235 RadicalModerate
Exactly. That was the point I was trying to make. There's more to the story.
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Neo_ Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:21:03pm |
Mark Rudd, founder of the Weather Underground:
I considered myself an agent of necessity in a political revolution. I'm not sure if Loughner, who seems to suffer from mental illness, can be considered an agent of anything. But I'm sure that if, as alleged, he pulled the trigger, he had convinced himself that he was doing what needed to be done.
I'm sure the good Chancellor is doing what he thought he had to do, too.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:21:10pm |
re: #242 BryanS
That's a false dichotomy, though. We don't have to choose between having a debate about mental health and one about vitriol. Both are important.
The problem of mental health is an eternal and thorny one. It comes down to three basic problems:
1. Unlike physical illness, the seriously mentally ill usually resist treatment.
2. The mentally ill often intentionall mask the seriousness of their problems when 'threatened' with confinement.
3. There is a lack of public funds to fully address all the mentally ill we have in this country.
I would be happy if one of the things that came out of this was an emphasis on providing mental health for veterans.
But that doesn't in any way diminish the importance of stopping the violent rhetoric. Indeed, I don't see them as fully separate issues. A lot of the paranoid, over-the-top, conspiratorial vitriol that Beck spews is only a shade more sane than what Loughner has said.
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:21:49pm |
re: #242 BryanS
Something that should have been done with Loughner--not indefinitely, but I think the real debate that we should have about this shooting is the real problem of how we deal with the mentally ill. A couple weeks of forced confinement for Loughner under medical attention could have helped society by identifying/quantifying what kind of risk this guy was to the rest of us. It maybe even could have put Loughner in touch with the right resources to deal with his illness.
Instead, we are having all these debates about vitriol and over the top rhetoric.
There is more than one debate to be had here.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:21:49pm |
re: #243 Rightwingconspirator
We eat it from time to time. Interesting staple food. It picks up flavors like rice does.
I'm looking at it because it can be used as rice and I can grow it myself...unlike rice.
It also is a complete protein which is rare in the plant world.
It also makes good chicken feed and with grain prices going up I'm looking at alternatives that I can grow myself.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:24:46pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:25:20pm |
re: #240 Jadespring
That would be great. I'm going to be putting in my regular garden and probably plowing up half of my field to try it a field crop situation. What's neat about it is can be used in both types of settings. It grows tall though. You can also use the younger leaves as salad greens or cook them like spinach so even if the season isn't long enough for it to form a good harvestable seed head you can still get something out of it.
The tall growth is ideal for me. I've been trying to think of a food crop I can grow on my parking strip area but the neighborhood dogs shit on everything under two feet tall. I'm looking forward to trying it.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:27:31pm |
re: #248 Jadespring
Quinoa is slightly tricky to cook with, but well worth it. It's like barley. I really like quinoa omelettes; like a Japanese rice omolette, but using Quinoa instead.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:28:58pm |
re: #246 Obdicut
That's a false dichotomy, though. We don't have to choose between having a debate about mental health and one about vitriol. Both are important.
The problem of mental health is an eternal and thorny one. It comes down to three basic problems:
1. Unlike physical illness, the seriously mentally ill usually resist treatment.
2. The mentally ill often intentionall mask the seriousness of their problems when 'threatened' with confinement.
3. There is a lack of public funds to fully address all the mentally ill we have in this country.I would be happy if one of the things that came out of this was an emphasis on providing mental health for veterans.
But that doesn't in any way diminish the importance of stopping the violent rhetoric. Indeed, I don't see them as fully separate issues. A lot of the paranoid, over-the-top, conspiratorial vitriol that Beck spews is only a shade more sane than what Loughner has said.
It's not a false dichotomy. There is not one single shred of evidence that political vitriol was a reason for Loughner's decision to go on a shooting spree--if there is, then cite some evidence of direct influence of political rhetoric. There is a lot of evidence that he was a paranoid, delusional, and seriously disturbed man who was unable to deal with his mental issues.
On your three bullet points, I couldn't agree more on the serious challenge we have trying to deal with the mentally ill. They are very often among the permanent homeless class. That issue I think is clearly germane to the shooting.
All the rest about political vitriol is just huff and puff. Sure, it is real, and may be a problem that needs to be dealt with. But why in the context of this shooting? Loughner played video games with his friends as reported in early background stories about him...why not have a debate about video game violence? Because there is nothing to suggest video games made him do this.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:29:14pm |
I never could have predicted that the righties would start sneering and gloating about this story immediately.
Not in a million years. I am stunned. Flabbergasted.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:29:17pm |
re: #252 Obdicut
Quinoa is slightly tricky to cook with, but well worth it. It's like barley. I really like quinoa omelettes; like a Japanese rice omolette, but using Quinoa instead.
Never thought of trying it in an omelette.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:30:13pm |
re: #247 blueraven
There is more than one debate to be had here.
But all the political rhetoric is sucking all the air out of talking about what actually caused Loughner to load up his gun and kill people--his mental illness.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:31:30pm |
re: #254 Charles
I never could have predicted that the righties would start sneering and gloating about this story immediately.
Not in a million years. I am stunned. Flabbergasted.
You forgot your sarc tag :)
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:31:30pm |
re: #253 BryanS
It's not a false dichotomy. There is not one single shred of evidence that political vitriol was a reason for Loughner's decision to go on a shooting spree--if there is, then cite some evidence of direct influence of political rhetoric. There is a lot of evidence that he was a paranoid, delusional, and seriously disturbed man who was unable to deal with his mental issues.
On your three bullet points, I couldn't agree more on the serious challenge we have trying to deal with the mentally ill. They are very often among the permanent homeless class. That issue I think is clearly germane to the shooting.
All the rest about political vitriol is just huff and puff. Sure, it is real, and may be a problem that needs to be dealt with. But why in the context of this shooting? Loughner played video games with his friends as reported in early background stories about him...why not have a debate about video game violence? Because there is nothing to suggest video games made him do this.
One quick question.
If this is not the time to have a talk about political vitriol when is the correct time?
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:32:02pm |
re: #253 BryanS
It's not a false dichotomy. There is not one single shred of evidence that political vitriol was a reason for Loughner's decision to go on a shooting spree--if there is, then cite some evidence of direct influence of political rhetoric.
And I'm not claiming that there was. I'm claiming that violent rhetoric is still dangerous, even if it didn't inspire Loughner. Do you disagree?
All the rest about political vitriol is just huff and puff.
Why be a jerk about this?
But why in the context of this shooting?
Because he ranted against the government and believed in bizarre conspiracy theories about the government.
Many people of great influence, like Beck, Palin, and the rest, rant against the government and believe in bizarre conspiracy theories about the government.
Seriously, what is the major difference between his rants and one of Beck's rants?
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:33:01pm |
re: #256 BryanS
But all the political rhetoric is sucking all the air out of talking about what actually caused Loughner to load up his gun and kill people--his mental illness.
Another quick question.
Have we had an registered psychologist examine Loughner and actively tell us that he has a mental illness? Because until that happens... what proof do we have that he wasn't perfectly sane?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:33:21pm |
Time to fire up the big green egg. Experimental porkchop marinade of lemongrass, apple cider vinegar, garlic and red pepper. Also baking my last homegrown squash.
bbl
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:33:46pm |
re: #261 Killgore Trout
Time to fire up the big green egg. Experimental porkchop marinade of lemongrass, apple cider vinegar, garlic and red pepper. Also baking my last homegrown squash.
bbl
Bring back some for us!
:)
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:34:17pm |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
The tall growth is ideal for me. I've been trying to think of a food crop I can grow on my parking strip area but the neighborhood dogs shit on everything under two feet tall. I'm looking forward to trying it.
Well to give you an idea of what is possible, if it does grow okay where you are I was reading a blog where a woman tried a few plants. She ended up getting about 1 and 1/2 pounds from 5 plants. That's quite a bit.
The drawback is while you don't have to thresh it like other true grains you have to wash it really well. It has saponins on the outside which make it really bitter. However the bitterness apparently keeps birds from eating the seeds which can be a problem with small scale grain growing. I planted some amaranth one year and barely got any seed because of the birds. I think it's a pretty good trade-off.
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bratwurst Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:34:24pm |
re: #259 Obdicut
And I'm not claiming that there was. I'm claiming that violent rhetoric is still dangerous, even if it didn't inspire Loughner. Do you disagree?
It's almost as if nobody to the right of Joe Lieberman can see any problem with the concept of "second amendment remedies".
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:35:18pm |
re: #263 Jadespring
Just a note about another reason to wash them: that soapy outer stuff is also a laxative.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:35:30pm |
Threats like this aren't acceptable, on any level, and Fuller needs to be taught that lesson.
On the other hand, a verbal threat isn't quite on the same level as being shot, twice, which is what happened to Fuller, along with many others killed and wounded.
But suddenly to the wingnuts, there's no difference.
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researchok Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:36:32pm |
re: #254 Charles
I never could have predicted that the righties would start sneering and gloating about this story immediately.
Not in a million years. I am stunned. Flabbergasted.
It's shallow, cheap and easy. That's why.
One of the big problems with the right today is instead of making points they want to score points.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:38:58pm |
re: #258 jamesfirecat
One quick question.
If this is not the time to have a talk about political vitriol when is the correct time?
It's always the right time...just don't conflate the two issues unless there is good reason to.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:39:38pm |
re: #268 BryanS
I think we should have been having this conversation, at this level, back when the Tides Foundation shooter had a firefight with the police.
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:41:49pm |
re: #253 BryanS
It's not a false dichotomy. There is not one single shred of evidence that political vitriol was a reason for Loughner's decision to go on a shooting spree--if there is, then cite some evidence of direct influence of political rhetoric. There is a lot of evidence that he was a paranoid, delusional, and seriously disturbed man who was unable to deal with his mental issues.
On your three bullet points, I couldn't agree more on the serious challenge we have trying to deal with the mentally ill. They are very often among the permanent homeless class. That issue I think is clearly germane to the shooting.
All the rest about political vitriol is just huff and puff. Sure, it is real, and may be a problem that needs to be dealt with. But why in the context of this shooting? Loughner played video games with his friends as reported in early background stories about him...why not have a debate about video game violence? Because there is nothing to suggest video games made him do this.
Maybe because one of the victims had cross-hairs placed over her district with her name listed. Maybe because her opponent posed in an ad with an M-16 riffle. Maybe because her campaign headquarters had been vandalized and she had received threats...for a start!
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:42:05pm |
re: #260 jamesfirecat
Another quick question.
Have we had an registered psychologist examine Loughner and actively tell us that he has a mental illness? Because until that happens... what proof do we have that he wasn't perfectly sane?
You've seen his youtube account, right? And this recent video recovered by the LA Times and the cause for his being expelled from school:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
And when Krauthammer pins it on mental illness, he is a trained psychiatrist and not prone to make such claims haphazardly:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:43:35pm |
re: #266 Charles
Threats like this aren't acceptable, on any level, and Fuller needs to be taught that lesson.
On the other hand, a verbal threat isn't quite on the same level as being shot, twice, which is what happened to Fuller, along with many others killed and wounded.
But suddenly to the wingnuts, there's no difference.
It will be blamed on politics as usual. When really it should be blamed on Loughner.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:44:01pm |
re: #271 BryanS
You've seen his youtube account, right? And this recent video recovered by the LA Times and the cause for his being expelled from school:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]And when Krauthammer pins it on mental illness, he is a trained psychiatrist and not prone to make such claims haphazardly:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Krauthammer is also partisan. So, I'll wait for someone who actually examines the shooter, not one who does it from afar.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:44:08pm |
re: #269 Obdicut
I think we should have been having this conversation, at this level, back when the Tides Foundation shooter had a firefight with the police.
That seems appropriate.
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wrenchwench Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:45:04pm |
re: #271 BryanS
And when Krauthammer pins it on mental illness, he is a trained psychiatrist and
not prone to makeguilty of malpractice for making such claims haphazardly:
Fixed that for both of you.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:45:07pm |
re: #271 BryanS
You've seen his youtube account, right? And this recent video recovered by the LA Times and the cause for his being expelled from school:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]And when Krauthammer pins it on mental illness, he is a trained psychiatrist and not prone to make such claims haphazardly:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
"These are all the hallmarks of a paranoid schizophrenic. "
I'm sorry this guy just lost all credibility with me.
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Obdicut Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:45:41pm |
re: #274 BryanS
That seems appropriate.
It's still appropriate. Giffords felt it was appropriate to have the conversation about violent rhetoric.
Laughner's mental illness doesn't somehow diminish the threat and danger of violent rhetoric.
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researchok Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:45:55pm |
re: #273 Varek Raith
Krauthammer is also partisan. So, I'll wait for someone who actually examines the shooter, not one who does it from afar.
That's a very important distinction.
Krauthammer is probably right- his remarks are observational and he is certainly qualified. That said, you cannot diagnose from a distance- ever.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:47:12pm |
re: #273 Varek Raith
Krauthammer is also partisan. So, I'll wait for someone who actually examines the shooter, not one who does it from afar.
Fair enough, but even a layperson can listen to the guy's rants and think he is crazy. The people who attended school with Loughner were afraid of him before this shooting. Some of his teachers and classmates were afraid he would come back to the school and shoot the place up. What I wonder is why his previous behavior wasn't cause to take more action before he went on his rampage.
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shai_au Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:50:09pm |
Ugh.
The guy is probably traumatized, and not dealing with his experience all that well. They should make him see a psychiatrist right now, before he makes good on those threats.
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blueraven Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:50:52pm |
re: #279 BryanS
Fair enough, but even a layperson can listen to the guy's rants and think he is crazy. The people who attended school with Loughner were afraid of him before this shooting. Some of his teachers and classmates were afraid he would come back to the school and shoot the place up. What I wonder is why his previous behavior wasn't cause to take more action before he went on his rampage.
Its a good question, and one we need to look at. It will not be fixed easily.
Stopping the violent imagery and rhetoric can be stopped...right now.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:52:25pm |
re: #279 BryanS
Fair enough, but even a layperson can listen to the guy's rants and think he is crazy. The people who attended school with Loughner were afraid of him before this shooting. Some of his teachers and classmates were afraid he would come back to the school and shoot the place up. What I wonder is why his previous behavior wasn't cause to take more action before he went on his rampage.
There's a huge difference between "think he is crazy" and actually crazy enough to do something about legally.
Otherwise I do believe that Glenn Beck should be in a rubber room rather than on Fox.
I'll wait for a psychiatrist to sit down with Loughner for a few hours/weeks and see what he has to say before I start to care about what people have to say on his mental health issues, anything else is just jumping to conclusions.
Like I said, I'll wait for a
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:52:33pm |
re: #279 BryanS
Fair enough, but even a layperson can listen to the guy's rants and think he is crazy. The people who attended school with Loughner were afraid of him before this shooting. Some of his teachers and classmates were afraid he would come back to the school and shoot the place up. What I wonder is why his previous behavior wasn't cause to take more action before he went on his rampage.
While it may seem crazy to a layperson, he may actually be sane. That's the thing about us, we're capable of very great and very horrible things while not being whacked out.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:53:53pm |
re: #280 shai_au
Ugh.
The guy is probably traumatized, and not dealing with his experience all that well. They should make him see a psychiatrist right now, before he makes good on those threats.
Well, reports that he has been involuntarily committed if true will ensure he sees a psychiatrist. Maybe a week or two time out away from the press and brouhaha over this will give him some space to digest all he has been through.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:53:54pm |
re: #283 Varek Raith
While it may seem crazy to a layperson, he may actually be sane. That's the thing about us, we're capable of very great and very horrible things while not being whacked out.
And it all meant this: that there are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal, kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do.
---Terry Pratchett...
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:54:17pm |
re: #279 BryanS
What I wonder is why his previous behavior wasn't cause to take more action before he went on his rampage.
I agree that he seems mentally ill from afar, not that i'm a doctor. But i'm unaware of any legal action that could have been taken and wasn't...?
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:54:46pm |
re: #279 BryanS
What I wonder is why his previous behavior wasn't cause to take more action before he went on his rampage.
Action by whom? That's the tough question and probably doesn't have an answer with general applicability. When does a person who is progressing toward mental illness become someone that you or me need to do something about? I'm not sure that I'd ever be inclined to report a college student who walks in circles on the playground to the authorities, which is one of the reported signs that Loughner exhibited. When does weird become reportable?
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:56:02pm |
re: #287 charlz
I'm not sure that I'd ever be inclined to report a college student who walks in circles on the playground to the authorities, which is one of the reported signs that Loughner exhibited. When does weird become reportable?
And even if you did report it, if they're not shown to be an imminent danger to themself or to another, reporting it won't result in any action AFAIK.
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zora Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:56:37pm |
re: #248 Jadespring
I'm looking at it because it can be used as rice and I can grow it myself...unlike rice.
It also is a complete protein which is rare in the plant world.
It also makes good chicken feed and with grain prices going up I'm looking at alternatives that I can grow myself.
as a vegetarian it's a great source of protein for me. i eat it in dishes that usually would be prepared with rice and use it in veggie burgers.
an interesting article about bolivian farmers that grow quinoa...
Quinoa Rising: Quinoa’s Popularity Boom to Bolivians
[Link: www.longislandpress.com...]
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:56:40pm |
re: #287 charlz
The possible ugly truth is that this may not have been preventable. If he had not had access to a gun, he may well have made a pipe bomb, or driven a car into the crowd.
Not all tragedies are preventable. Ugly truth.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:56:59pm |
re: #282 jamesfirecat
There's a huge difference between "think he is crazy" and actually crazy enough to do something about legally.
Otherwise I do believe that Glenn Beck should be in a rubber room rather than on Fox.
I'll wait for a psychiatrist to sit down with Loughner for a few hours/weeks and see what he has to say before I start to care about what people have to say on his mental health issues, anything else is just jumping to conclusions.
Like I said, I'll wait for a
See, if we deal with this mental health issue, maybe we could resolve this Glen Beck problem all in one fell swoop, eh?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:58:23pm |
Jim Hoft has updated his post with links to Doug Ross and PJ Media ... but no correction!
What a complete dolt.
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Varek Raith Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:59:06pm |
re: #292 Charles
Jim Hoft has updated his post with links to Doug Ross and PJ Media ... but no correction!
What a complete dolt.
[Laugh]
[Still Laughing!]
[Lol]
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dragonfire1981 Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:59:33pm |
Just watch Sarah Palin stand up for the Tea Party guy every chance she gets.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 5:59:36pm |
re: #286 Aceofwhat?
I agree that he seems mentally ill from afar, not that i'm a doctor. But i'm unaware of any legal action that could have been taken and wasn't...?
True--and that should be an issue I think we debate. Why was there no legal tool with which to respond to the likes of Loughner? What kind of tools can or should we give police to be able to handle this in the future. It just feels like there were so many warning signs, and there was nothing we could do about it.
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dragonfire1981 Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:00:27pm |
re: #292 Charles
It's sad day when one can be considered a journalist without doing one single bit of actual journalistic work.
As I struggle and I see idiots like Hoft making money, it makes me wonder why I got a Media degree in the first place
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:01:29pm |
re: #287 charlz
Action by whom? That's the tough question and probably doesn't have an answer with general applicability. When does a person who is progressing toward mental illness become someone that you or me need to do something about? I'm not sure that I'd ever be inclined to report a college student who walks in circles on the playground to the authorities, which is one of the reported signs that Loughner exhibited. When does weird become reportable?
Good question, and I think defining when action can be taken--committing someone, etc--is hard to define without opening it up to abuse. His classmates and teachers were afraid of him, and before this event occurred, some of his teachers and classmates expressed a fear that the guy would come back to their school and shoot up the place.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:01:41pm |
re: #292 Charles
Jim Hoft has updated his post with links to Doug Ross and PJ Media ... but no correction!
What a complete dolt.
Why should he post a correction? He doesn't actually care about the truth.
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webevintage Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:02:37pm |
My favorite Twitter is peeing in his pants with glee:
AndrewBreitbart
'You're Dead': Courtesy of the United States of Community Organizing. Rile us up, divide us, silence us, dear Alinskyite President.
Yep.
Everything is Obama's fault.
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brownbagj Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:03:33pm |
re: #292 Charles
Jim Hoft has updated his post with links to Doug Ross and PJ Media ... but no correction!
What a complete dolt.
So, does Jim pee on the floor when he sees a sign that says, "Wet Floor"
//
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:03:42pm |
re: #295 BryanS
True--and that should be an issue I think we debate. Why was there no legal tool with which to respond to the likes of Loughner? What kind of tools can or should we give police to be able to handle this in the future. It just feels like there were so many warning signs, and there was nothing we could do about it.
Well, it's thorny for good reason. As Obdicut and i mentioned on another thread, mental illness of itself (i.e. absent substance abuse or other environmental triggers) is actually not a very significant predictor of violent behavior.
In other words, if you are the victim of an attack by a stranger, the stranger is not significantly more likely to be mentally ill than the population would otherwise suggest.
So while mental illness can indeed be the root cause of a violent act, it is currently almost impossible to predict which mentally ill folks (who haven't yet shown overt violent behavior or are taking drugs) present an actual danger.
That's the rub...or at least, that's one of the rubs.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:04:07pm |
re: #295 BryanS
True--and that should be an issue I think we debate. Why was there no legal tool with which to respond to the likes of Loughner? What kind of tools can or should we give police to be able to handle this in the future. It just feels like there were so many warning signs, and there was nothing we could do about it.
My argument is that there needs to be a "gun check" station around political events where important people are hosting events. None of this 1000 ft saftey radius, I mean guys with metal detectors and nobody gets in without giving up all firearms to a gun safety locker.
That or we could insist that all important need to do events like this from inside bullet proof glass cubes which kind of defeats the whole point of seeming approachable.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:04:39pm |
re: #299 webevintage
My favorite Twitter is peeing in his pants with glee:
AndrewBreitbart
'You're Dead': Courtesy of the United States of Community Organizing. Rile us up, divide us, silence us, dear Alinskyite President.Yep.
Everything is Obama's fault.
Uh oh...someone said the Alinsky....thread blow up in 3...2.....1.....
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brownbagj Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:05:59pm |
re: #302 jamesfirecat
I don't see how this happens in a free society. Rallies are to get multitudes to show up. People complain now when going through airport security. THis is when they HAVE to fly.
I bet most would stay home if they get patted down or had to wait in line rather than go to a political pep rally.
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brownbagj Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:06:45pm |
re: #303 BryanS
You dropped the Alinksy on me, baby, you dropped the alinsky on me.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:07:09pm |
re: #302 jamesfirecat
My argument is that there needs to be a "gun check" station around political events where important people are hosting events. None of this 1000 ft saftey radius, I mean guys with metal detectors and nobody gets in without giving up all firearms to a gun safety locker.
That or we could insist that all important need to do events like this from inside bullet proof glass cubes which kind of defeats the whole point of seeming approachable.
Probably the gun check thing would be prudent. About the only thing that can be done short of bullet proof glass--and that would seem downright un-American to keep our politicians so isolated from the public.
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jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:07:59pm |
re: #299 webevintage
Alinksy, I just met a pol who's Alinksy,
and suddenly I find
I've really lost my mind it seems...
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:08:31pm |
Oh no ... it's the Return of the Alinsky Movie Titles!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:08:40pm |
re: #299 webevintage
My favorite Twitter is peeing in his pants with glee:
AndrewBreitbart
'You're Dead': Courtesy of the United States of Community Organizing. Rile us up, divide us, silence us, dear Alinskyite President.Yep.
Everything is Obama's fault.
Hopefully, Charles gives Breitbart the what-for on Twitter. All Charles has to do is call Breitbart on his BS and that liar goes nuts.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:08:50pm |
re: #306 BryanS
Probably the gun check thing would be prudent. About the only thing that can be done short of bullet proof glass--and that would seem downright un-American to keep our politicians so isolated from the public.
Yeah to me the gun check things seems reasonable and theoretically doable, it probably wouldn't be cheep and would require the creation of effectively a larger but slightly less elite version of the secret service to make sure that each congressman/senator has guards ready at all times.
Imagine how certain people would complain if the Democrats put froth the idea for the creation of such an organization at the moment....
| 313 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:09:14pm |
Sgt. Alinsky's Lonely Hearts Club Community Organization
| 314 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:09:50pm |
But this time it's the Alinsky Song Titles! Aaah! We're doomed!
| 315 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:09:51pm |
| 316 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:10:08pm |
re: #314 Charles
But this time it's the Alinsky Song Titles! Aaah! We're doomed!
Akey Breaky Alinsky....
| 317 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:10:14pm |
re: #301 Aceofwhat?
Well, it's thorny for good reason. As Obdicut and i mentioned on another thread, mental illness of itself (i.e. absent substance abuse or other environmental triggers) is actually not a very significant predictor of violent behavior.
In other words, if you are the victim of an attack by a stranger, the stranger is not significantly more likely to be mentally ill than the population would otherwise suggest.
So while mental illness can indeed be the root cause of a violent act, it is currently almost impossible to predict which mentally ill folks (who haven't yet shown overt violent behavior or are taking drugs) present an actual danger.
That's the rub...or at least, that's one of the rubs.
Some kind of evaluation would seem prudent, because you are right in the fact that mental illness alone is not a predictor of violence. If Loughner had been evaluated, maybe that evaluation could have found out whether he was prone to violence.
| 320 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:11:32pm |
| 323 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:11:48pm |
hell of a football game, for those neanderthals who like sanctioned violence and butt patting
| 325 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:12:14pm |
re: #311 jamesfirecat
Yeah to me the gun check things seems reasonable and theoretically doable, it probably wouldn't be cheep and would require the creation of effectively a larger but slightly less elite version of the secret service to make sure that each congressman/senator has guards ready at all times.
Imagine how certain people would complain if the Democrats put froth the idea for the creation of such an organization at the moment...
I'm not crazy about the 'gun check' idea, but it is a viable idea. The '1000 feet' idea is insane. By its logic, someone could get in trouble by walking down a street several blocks away from an event while carrying a legally concealed weapon.
| 328 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:12:43pm |
All you linskys hide your faces
All you people in the street
All you tweeting Brietbart's cases
The bs gonna fall on you
| 329 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:13:03pm |
re: #292 Charles
Jim Hoft has updated his post with links to Doug Ross and PJ Media ... but no correction!
What a complete dolt.
dang, should have checked his swamp when this one ran...
| 330 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:13:15pm |
| 331 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:13:22pm |
re: #292 Charles
Jim Hoft has updated his post with links to Doug Ross and PJ Media ... but no correction!
What a complete dolt.
[sound of head banging on desk]
| 333 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:13:47pm |
re: #311 jamesfirecat
Yeah to me the gun check things seems reasonable and theoretically doable, it probably wouldn't be cheep and would require the creation of effectively a larger but slightly less elite version of the secret service to make sure that each congressman/senator has guards ready at all times.
Imagine how certain people would complain if the Democrats put froth the idea for the creation of such an organization at the moment...
OK, I live in NYC where guns are just out of the question, so I am curious on how a gun check thing works... so if it is OK to carry a gun then it is OK to carry it everywhere, right? no? How does this work?
| 339 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:14:55pm |
Eleanor Alinsky
picks up the rice in the church
where Alinsky has been
lives in a dream
| 343 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:15:28pm |
| 346 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:15:57pm |
| 348 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:16:31pm |
| 349 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:17:05pm |
re: #326 Charles
Cum On Feel the Alinsky
And continuing the Slade-mining....
Momma, We're All Alinsky Now
| 350 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:17:23pm |
| 352 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:17:31pm |
| 353 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:18:09pm |
| 355 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:18:32pm |
| 356 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:18:34pm |
| 361 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:19:24pm |
| 368 |
charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:20:20pm |
Wait, this is a drinking game, right? I don't think I can keep up much longer...
| 372 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:20:56pm |
| 375 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:21:22pm |
She can kill with a smile
She can wound with her eyes
She can ruin your faith with her casual lies
And she only reveals what she wants you to see
She hides like a child,
But she's always Alinsky to me
| 379 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:22:03pm |
| 380 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:22:11pm |
I'm going to name my head rooster "Alinsky"
Alinsky doodle dooo!
| 382 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:22:15pm |
re: #375 BryanS
She can kill with a smile
She can wound with her eyes
She can ruin your faith with her casual lies
And she only reveals what she wants you to see
She hides like a child,
But she's always Alinsky to me
damn straight, *sigh*
| 383 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:22:23pm |
I'm mostly lurking till the Alinsky stuff dies down.
| 384 |
otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:22:28pm |
The Who - The Kids are Alinsky? Did I miss that one?
| 387 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:23:00pm |
| 388 |
krypto Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:23:02pm |
re: #307 Jadespring
What's an alinsky?
Someone who liberals never heard of until righties claimed that liberals are his devoted followers.
| 389 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:23:14pm |
| 390 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:23:15pm |
| 393 |
charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:23:50pm |
| 398 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:24:55pm |
re: #389 albusteve
Hey Alinsky
where you goin with that bomb in your hand?
You know I caught her messin' 'round with another man
And that ain't too cool
| 399 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:25:01pm |
Well no one told me about him the way he lied
Well no one told me about him how many people cried
But it's too late to say Alinsky
How would I know why should I care
Please don't bother tryin' to find him
He's not there
| 402 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:26:01pm |
Honky Tonk Alinsky
just can't seem to drink him off my mind
| 404 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:26:41pm |
I'm tweeting some of these song titles, because they're making me laugh. With the hash tag #alinskysongtitles.
| 406 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:26:46pm |
Happy Alinsky to you
Happy Alinsky to you
Happy Alinsky to 'everyone in this thread..."
Happy Alinsky to you.
| 409 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:27:26pm |
re: #406 Jadespring
Happy Alinsky to you
Happy Alinsky to you
Happy Alinsky to 'everyone in this thread..."
Happy Alinsky to you.
a pox upon your ancestors
| 412 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:27:47pm |
This is what it sounds like when Alinskies cry.
| 415 |
reginald perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:28:10pm |
Oh! ye'll take the high road
and I'll take the low road,
And I'll be in Alinsky afore ye
| 420 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:28:46pm |
re: #415 reginald perrin
Oh! ye'll take the high road
and I'll take the low road,
And I'll be in Alinsky afore ye
that does make sense...
| 427 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:29:28pm |
The Wheels on the Alinsky go round and round.
Round and round,
Round and round,
The wheels on the Alinsky go round and round,
All around the town.
| 429 |
Big Joe Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:30:23pm |
re: #349 makeitstop
And continuing the Slade-mining...
Momma, We're All Alinsky Now
I love Slade. Saw them in 1973 with the J Geils Band at Winterland.
| 437 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:31:31pm |
re: #429 mracb
I love Slade. Saw them in 1973 with the J Geils Band at Winterland.
Never had the pleasure. I did see J. Geils about 8 times when I was a kid.
| 439 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:31:57pm |
| 442 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:32:27pm |
And it seems to me you lived your life
Like Alinsky in the wind
Never knowing who to cling to
When the rain set in
| 443 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:32:31pm |
| 447 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:33:02pm |
The Ballad Of Frankie Lee and Judas Alinsky
| 450 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:33:51pm |
Toucdown, Green Bay. With less than a minute left in the first half, they lead Atlanta 21-14.
| 455 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:34:19pm |
Mama, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Alinskys
and
Alinsky from Muskogee
| 456 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:34:27pm |
You're so Vain...You Probably Think This Song is Alinsky
| 458 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:34:42pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
Toucdown, Green Bay. With less than a minute left in the first half, they lead Atlanta 21-14.
hell of a game bro...really
| 459 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:34:46pm |
| 463 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:35:16pm |
| 466 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:35:43pm |
Rudolph the Red Nosed Alinsky
Frosty the Alinsky
| 470 |
shano Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:36:13pm |
We have seen this before. From the very same people, too:
When people get paid to put together words and images in advertising, they know it works to influence people behavior.
"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus-living fossils- so we will never forget what these people stood for."
Rush Limbaugh
Combine these words with the "gun shots" billboard advertising Limbaugh just looming over Tucson. Yea, advertising works. No dispute about that.
24/7 of the Hatestream Media......365 days of the year.
Yes, it has an effect on the tone and the culture of any human place.
| 472 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:36:25pm |
re: #458 albusteve
hell of a game bro...really
True that. I'm hoping that Green Bay wins tonight. If they win and then the Bears win tomorrow, the NFC Championship game will be Bears-Packers at Soldier Field. And that game would be one for the ages.
| 474 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:36:41pm |
| 475 |
Digital Display Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:36:43pm |
Yesterday,
All my Alinskys seemed so far away,
Now it looks as though they're here to stay,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Suddenly,
I'm not half the man I used to be,
There's a Alinsky hanging over me,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.
| 476 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:36:58pm |
re: #462 charlz
Don't Eat the Yellow Alinsky
YES
Give me
Your dirty Alinsky
Like some tacky little pamphlet
In your daddy's bottom drawer
Give me
Your dirty Alinsky
I don't believe you never seen
His book before
I don't need no consolation
I don't want your reservation
I only got one destination
An' that's your dirty Alinsky
Your dirty Alinsky
| 477 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:36:59pm |
re: #470 shano
We have seen this before. From the very same people, too:
[Video]When people get paid to put together words and images in advertising, they know it works to influence people behavior."I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus-living fossils- so we will never forget what these people stood for."
Rush LimbaughCombine these words with the "gun shots" billboard advertising Limbaugh just looming over Tucson. Yea, advertising works. No dispute about that.
24/7 of the Hatestream Media...365 days of the year.
Yes, it has an effect on the tone and the culture of any human place.
Needs more Alinsky
| 478 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:37:04pm |
re: #472 Dark_Falcon
True that. I'm hoping that Green Bay wins tonight. If they win and then the Bears win tomorrow, the NFC Championship game will be Bears-Packers at Soldier Field. And that game would be one for the ages.
exactly...we are on the same page
| 480 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:37:54pm |
re: #472 Dark_Falcon
True that. I'm hoping that Green Bay wins tonight. If they win and then the Bears win tomorrow, the NFC Championship game will be Bears-Packers at Soldier Field. And that game would be one for the ages.
I live in NY, I route Green Bay...
| 483 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:38:34pm |
re: #470 shano
We have seen this before. From the very same people, too:
[Video]When people get paid to put together words and images in advertising, they know it works to influence people behavior."I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus-living fossils- so we will never forget what these people stood for."
Rush LimbaughCombine these words with the "gun shots" billboard advertising Limbaugh just looming over Tucson. Yea, advertising works. No dispute about that.
24/7 of the Hatestream Media...365 days of the year.
Yes, it has an effect on the tone and the culture of any human place.
Allo, Allo
Welcome aboard
| 484 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:38:35pm |
re: #479 jaunte
Alinsky Cut My Hair
(it happened just the other day)
like lookin in the mirror and seeing an Alinsky
| 488 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:39:26pm |
re: #480 brookly red
I live in NY, I route Green Bay...
Well, I favor the Bears. And the Bears will win that game!
| 489 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:39:30pm |
We are the world
We are Alinsky
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So let's start giving
| 492 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:40:15pm |
| 495 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:40:31pm |
| 496 |
otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:40:51pm |
Give me
Alinsky love
Like you might surrender
To some dragon in your dreams
Give me
Alinsky love
Like a pink donation
To the dragon in your dreams
| 498 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:41:13pm |
Touchdown, Tramon Williams! The Green Bay defender picks off a Matt Ryan pass to score a touchdown and end the half. Packers lead 28-14 at halftime.
| 501 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:41:46pm |
re: #496 otoc
gmta...but i like where your head's at...
| 502 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:41:50pm |
re: #498 Dark_Falcon
Touchdown, Tramon Williams! The Green Bay defender picks off a Matt Ryan pass to score a touchdown and end the half. Packers lead 28-14 at halftime.
huge play
| 503 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:42:02pm |
| 505 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:43:00pm |
re: #492 talon_262
I Shot the Alinsky
please let me buy the next round
| 506 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:43:13pm |
| 509 |
brownbagj Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:44:04pm |
The search is over
It was Alinsky all the while
| 514 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:46:44pm |
ALINSKY again! We will never ever get away.
Steelers!
| 518 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:47:34pm |
| 521 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:48:47pm |
no disrespect, but it is Saturday night and I am thinkin I don't give a damn about al-in-sky, cause that's not where I want to be!
I just wanna have some kicks
I just wanna get some chicks
| 522 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:48:48pm |
Never Gonna give Alinsky Up
(You've been Alinsky-rolled)
| 523 |
otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:48:51pm |
re: #501 Aceofwhat?
gmta...but i like where your head's at...
oh damn, I missed you doing the same one? sorry. It was just playing on my iTunes server. I got excited.
The next song was
Broken Hearts Are Alinskys
Hey! do you know what you are?
Youre Alinsky! Alinsky!
Some of you might not agree
Cause you probably likes a lot of misery
But think a while and you will see...
Broken hearts are Alinskys
Broken hearts are Alinskys
Are you Alinskys?
Broken hearts are Alinskys
Are you Alinskys too?
Whatcha gonna do, cause you're Alinsky...
More lyrics: [Link: www.lyricsfreak.com...]
| 525 |
shano Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:49:04pm |
re: #477 makeitstop
The only left wing violence you can state is from the 1960s. You are stuck in the past in a bad way.
Advertising works. Psychologists know it works. There are huge industries that get paid to put together words and images.
Dont you think it is interesting that this man who was arrested was also shot at at Kent State?
| 526 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:49:13pm |
| 527 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:49:15pm |
re: #518 Charles
oh, we were 'praising' Fuller? Odd how that doesn't show up in his screenshot.
(and i love the screenshot, as if you're the type who goes back and seekritly edits their posts)
| 528 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:50:22pm |
re: #523 otoc
oh damn, I missed you doing the same one? sorry. It was just playing on my iTunes server. I got excited.
It's right up there as one of my favorite Zappa songs. If you have it on your Itunes playlist, we're going to get along just fine...
| 529 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:50:30pm |
re: #527 Aceofwhat?
oh, we were 'praising' Fuller? Odd how that doesn't show up in his screenshot.
(and i love the screenshot, as if you're the type who goes back and seekritly edits their posts)
I didn't praise Fuller at all, or make him a "hero." I reported the story straight with no editorializing.
This is what Hoft does, he just lies.
| 532 |
shano Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:51:07pm |
re: #525 shano
And maybe if we had a DRAFT, there would be some bipartisanship amongst the citizens instead of these fat fucks sitting around spewing hate all day and night.
The TeaParty is the Oil industry and the Gun Industry.
That is all they are.
| 533 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:51:18pm |
re: #518 Charles
Here's a charming comment from that thread:
#2 January 15, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Dave-O commented:Was Fuller wearing his “Together We Thrive” T-shirt when he was arrested??
| 534 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:51:31pm |
re: #525 shano
The only left wing violence you can state is from the 1960s. You are stuck in the past in a bad way.
Advertising works. Psychologists know it works. There are huge industries that get paid to put together words and images.
Dont you think it is interesting that this man who was arrested was also shot at at Kent State?
Excuse me, but I didn't disagree with you in the first place.
You caught me in a silly mood is all.
| 535 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:51:33pm |
| 542 |
jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:53:43pm |
re: #529 Charles
I didn't praise Fuller at all, or make him a "hero." I reported the story straight with no editorializing.
This is what Hoft does, he just lies.
Facts have a well known liberal bias!
| 544 |
reginald perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:53:55pm |
| 545 |
brookly red Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:54:02pm |
re: #521 brookly red
no disrespect, but it is Saturday night and I am thinkin I don't give a damn about al-in-sky, cause that's not where I want to be!
I just wanna have some kicks
I just wanna get some chicks
good night bratwhrust ... I got a life ;)
| 546 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:54:16pm |
re: #541 Gus 802
Werewolves of Alinsky
| 549 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:55:49pm |
Alinksy The Headless Thompson Gunner (while we're on a Zevon kick)
| 551 |
usufruct Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:56:13pm |
For context I think it might be important to point out that Humphries has been going around claiming that he is in fact on of the victims of the tragic shooting and seeming to blame Giffords, in part, for what happened. I would expect that stuff like that might make someone who was actually shot a little angry.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
| 552 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:56:36pm |
re: #549 makeitstop
The Alinskys all have brucellosis, we'll get through somehow
| 553 |
bratwurst Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:57:02pm |
re: #521 brookly red
no disrespect, but it is Saturday night and I am thinkin I don't give a damn about al-in-sky, cause that's not where I want to be!
I just wanna have some kicks
I just wanna get some chicks
Your browser is conveniently equipped with a little "x" up in the corner for just such occasions.
| 555 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:57:18pm |
re: #529 Charles
I didn't praise Fuller at all, or make him a "hero." I reported the story straight with no editorializing.
This is what Hoft does, he just lies.
I started to wonder whether he was lying or actually dumb enough to have read the post incorrectly, and then i realized (a) he's equally capable of either and (b) I've already exceeded my quarterly allotment of speculating about the sorry state of Hoft's neurons...
| 557 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:57:35pm |
re: #518 Charles
Ha! I had to double check because I thought for sure it was a spoof link or something. It's real, real real dumb.
| 559 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:58:11pm |
re: #525 shano
The only left wing violence you can state is from the 1960s. You are stuck in the past in a bad way.
oh, come on.
| 560 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:58:14pm |
re: #557 Killgore Trout
I wonder how long he'll leave the 'Tuscon' typo in.
| 561 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:58:18pm |
re: #552 jaunte
The Alinskys all have brucellosis, we'll get through somehow
I always thought it was the coolest thing that he used 'brucellosis' in a lyric.
I miss Warren Zevon.
| 562 |
otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:58:22pm |
lol, there had to be a real song...
| 563 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:58:26pm |
Sure am glad I chose "Troll" instead of "Alinsky" to drink to.
| 564 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:58:41pm |
re: #532 shano
And maybe if we had a DRAFT, there would be some bipartisanship amongst the citizens instead of these fat fucks sitting around spewing hate all day and night.
The TeaParty is the Oil industry and the Gun Industry.
That is all they are.
A draft is a very bad idea. It is the fact that our army is all volunteers that allows it to be so effective. A conscript army would have to be much larger and would cost far more.
| 565 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:59:36pm |
re: #563 Mr Pancakes
Alinskys for my Men, and Beer for my Horses
| 567 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:59:54pm |
re: #563 Mr Pancakes
LOL!
Alaska Kim, Drink!
| 568 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 6:59:58pm |
re: #563 Mr Pancakes
Sure am glad I chose "Troll" instead of "Alinsky" to drink to.
Well, we had a troll upthread so take a shot.
| 569 |
MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:00:15pm |
re: #563 Mr Pancakes
Sure am glad I chose "Troll" instead of "Alinsky" to drink to.
Because you would have been blotto 30-40 minutes ago ;-P
| 571 |
ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:01:12pm |
re: #561 makeitstop
Aaahoo, werewolves of Alinsky.
Did someone mention PTSD upthread in relation to this incident? My roommate has a theory.
| 573 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:01:18pm |
re: #569 talon_262
Because you would have been blotto 30-40 minutes ago ;-P
No kiddin' even with "Troll" Reg put me under the table last night.
| 576 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:01:49pm |
re: #571 ProLifeLiberal
Aaahoo, werewolves of Alinsky.
Did someone mention PTSD upthread in relation to this incident? My roommate has a theory.
Do tell.
| 579 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:02:28pm |
Smells like Alinskt spirit.
| 581 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:03:00pm |
re: #263 Jadespring
Well to give you an idea of what is possible, if it does grow okay where you are I was reading a blog where a woman tried a few plants. She ended up getting about 1 and 1/2 pounds from 5 plants. That's quite a bit.
The drawback is while you don't have to thresh it like other true grains you have to wash it really well. It has saponins on the outside which make it really bitter. However the bitterness apparently keeps birds from eating the seeds which can be a problem with small scale grain growing. I planted some amaranth one year and barely got any seed because of the birds. I think it's a pretty good trade-off.
I can't thank you you enough for the tip. I'm very excited about trying this.
Much thanks.
| 584 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:04:20pm |
re: #581 Killgore Trout
I can't thank you you enough for the tip. I'm very excited about trying this.
Much thanks.
I'm excited to see how it does for you. :)
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:05:29pm |
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:06:10pm |
re: #571 ProLifeLiberal
He thought that this guy basically snapped, and een went out on a limb to say that this guy has mentally been transported back to the events that caused his PTSD in the first place.
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:06:15pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:06:48pm |
re: #544 reginald perrin
Is Holt lonely
and doing this
to attract Barret Brown to his blog?
If that happens, it will be a true Moronic Convergance.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:06:57pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:07:25pm |
My Love is Alinsky
/apologies to Gary Wright
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:07:55pm |
re: #590 ProLifeLiberal
He thought that this guy basically snapped, and een went out on a limb to say that this guy has mentally been transported back to the events that caused his PTSD in the first place.
It's not outside of the realm of possibility.
I know from experience how that sort of thing can happen.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:08:00pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:08:39pm |
Evening lizards! I've missed a lot by working so much. How is everyone?
BTW...Aaron Rodgers is amazing.
| 605 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:08:45pm |
Alinsky?
We don't need no stinking Alinskys
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:08:51pm |
In other news, Tunisia has a new interim president, the second in 2 days.
What worries me is this news. The Jordanian government must not fall. If it does, an Islamist one will take over.
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:09:21pm |
And Betty when you call me
You can call me Alinsky
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:09:23pm |
re: #594 mracb
In-A-Linksy-Da-Vida
Great...now I have the LONG version of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida running through my head now ;-P
| 611 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:09:37pm |
But if anyone tonight has Butthurt, its the Atlanta Falcons because their asses are getting kicked. Green Bay now leads 35-14.
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:10:49pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:11:03pm |
re: #613 NJDhockeyfan
What's up with the Alinksy stuff?
There needs to be an LGF edition of "Know your meme"
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:11:18pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:11:38pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:12:01pm |
re: #606 ProLifeLiberal
In other news, Tunisia has a new interim president, the second in 2 days.
What worries me is this news. The Jordanian government must not fall. If it does, an Islamist one will take over.
That's thankfully unlikely. King Abdullah is pretty smart on such matters, and he hasn't gotten the bad reputation Tunisia's autocrat had.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:12:14pm |
re: #620 Stanley Sea
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:12:48pm |
Mama Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Alinskys
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:13:11pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:13:18pm |
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:13:28pm |
re: #615 Jadespring
that's serious. Massachusetts id crawling with them and household pets are a favorite menu item. It's the only time I think of 2nd amendment solutions...
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:14:05pm |
re: #613 NJDhockeyfan
What's up with the Alinksy stuff?
It's a running gag. It's in response to a lame tweet by Andrew Breitbart where he called Barack Obama an "Alinskyite".
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:16:11pm |
re: #630 Dark_Falcon
It's a running gag. It's in response to a lame tweet by Andrew Breitbart where he called Barack Obama an "Alinskyite".
Only last time, it was with movie titles...
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:16:21pm |
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:16:24pm |
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Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:16:31pm |
More pushback from the moron squad:
@MelissaTweets: Wondering if @markos @mattyglesias @davidfrum@Lizardoid @KeithOlbermann consider their own rhetoric as a cause for Fuller's death threat?
A: No. I think being shot twice and seeing people die all around him just might be a slightly bigger influence.
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:16:33pm |
re: #613 NJDhockeyfan
What's up with the Alinksy stuff?
This broke out on a thread a couple of days ago. Movie and or song titles with "Alinsky". Because Alinsky mind control is so pervasive.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:16:50pm |
re: #622 Dark_Falcon
In terms of people in governments that I like over there, he is one of two. The other is Muhammed bin Zayed of the UAE.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:17:07pm |
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:17:22pm |
My one and only contribution will be to all songs with one word titles.
Alinsky
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:17:39pm |
re: #629 otoc
that's serious. Massachusetts id crawling with them and household pets are a favorite menu item. It's the only time I think of 2nd amendment solutions...
i was watching a show the other night, had a few minutes before bed and nothing else was on...it was about Fish & Wildlife rangers in California.
apparently, you can hunt wild pig in Cali (they're a huge nuisance) with a gun, but not with a knife. they spent half of the show trying to pin a kill on some guy...seriously...only in Cali.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:17:58pm |
I want to rock n roll alinsky and party every day!
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:18:26pm |
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otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:18:37pm |
re: #641 Charles
More pushback from the moron squad:
A: No. I think being shot twice and seeing people die all around him just might be a slightly bigger influence.
To your point, I can't wait to read what the results of the mental evaluation brings. Twice a victim?
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:18:39pm |
re: #641 Charles
More pushback from the moron squad:
A: No. I think being shot twice and seeing people die all around him just might be a slightly bigger influence.
I keep waiting for David Frum to have the same Epiphany you did Charles and just admit that crazy party is crazy... I keep being disappointed to....
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:19:02pm |
re: #642 prairiefire
This broke out on a thread a couple of days ago. Movie and or song titles with "Alinsky". Because Alinsky mind control is so pervasive.
I am behind the times since I went back to work.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:19:21pm |
Alinsky is a punk rocker
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:19:30pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:20:22pm |
re: #653 NJDhockeyfan
Congratulations on being back to work!
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:20:38pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:20:43pm |
re: #652 jamesfirecat
I keep waiting for David Frum to have the same Epiphany you did Charles and just admit that crazy party is crazy... I keep being disappointed to...
eh...a few of us have to stand still so that when most of the party wakes up, looks around and says "wait, where the hell are we", we can wave and say "over here, losers".
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:20:57pm |
re: #647 Aceofwhat?
apparently, you can hunt wild pig in Cali (they're a huge nuisance) with a gun, but not with a knife.
S0mebody went after a boar with a knife?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:21:26pm |
re: #641 Charles
More pushback from the moron squad:
A: No. I think being shot twice and seeing people die all around him just might be a slightly bigger influence.
Quite Concur.
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:22:18pm |
Well that was fun.
I think I'm going to have to get a gun. A broom just doesn't cut it...
There was four of them!
%^*&^*((*()))#$%%%
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jamesfirecat Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:22:52pm |
re: #660 Aceofwhat?
eh...a few of us have to stand still so that when most of the party wakes up, looks around and says "wait, where the hell are we", we can wave and say "over here, losers".
Fair enough, I just worry that Frum ends up helping legitimize the current GOP by being someone they can point to and say "see we're not all crazy"
I mean its possible for one to be "on the right" without being part of the GOP....
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:23:04pm |
re: #662 charlz
S0mebody went after a boar with a knife?
quite a few of them do. apparently, half of the thrill is that it's illegal.
somehow, Cali views the killing of a wild pig or boar with a knife as cruel.
shooting one is not cruel...even if you don't hit it squarely and have to chase it, wounded and in pain, for several miles.
riddle me that.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:23:08pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:23:10pm |
re: #656 prairiefire
How's it going?
Great. It took about 3 weeks to get me back in the game. I think I'll get back to where I left off in a few weeks. I love talking to people.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:23:31pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:23:42pm |
re: #669 jamesfirecat
Fair enough, I just worry that Frum ends up helping legitimize the current GOP by being someone they can point to and say "see we're not all crazy"
I mean its possible for one to be "on the right" without being part of the GOP...
according to the new chairman, that'd be me!
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Buck Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:24:10pm |
Fuller considers himself a political operative. His business card reads in part:
"Expediting Initiatives since 2006"
"J. Eric Fuller"
"Political Circulator."
I think it is possible that he is already political and already biased against conservatives before the shooting.
He made the threat right after it was suggested that it would be better not to talk about gun control until after the funerals of the victims.
it was inevitable that the conversation would eventually turn to politics. It did, toward the end, with Amanpour leading a discussion on a very touchy but obvious topic: gun control.
That's where the atmosphere turned tense. When Tucson Tea Party founder Trent Humphries rose to suggest that any conversation about gun control should be put off until after the funerals for all the victims, witnesses say Fuller became agitated. Two told KGUN9 News that finally, Fuller took a picture of Humphries, and said, "You're dead."
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:24:20pm |
The bright side is I got to see what my LGD pup would do. She's only 7 months but holy crap...she turned into a lion. My ears hurt she was barking so loud.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:24:39pm |
re: #669 jamesfirecat
Fair enough, I just worry that Frum ends up helping legitimize the current GOP by being someone they can point to and say "see we're not all crazy"
I mean its possible for one to be "on the right" without being part of the GOP...
Frum has been rejected by many "on the right". So . . . he's no help for legitimizing the current GOP -
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:25:27pm |
re: #678 Jadespring
The bright side is I got to see what my LGD pup would do. She's only 7 months but holy crap...she turned into a lion. My ears hurt she was barking so loud.
Four is three too many. You will probably need a gun.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:25:57pm |
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:26:43pm |
Good read on how Tunisian revolution may affect Arab dictators:[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:26:51pm |
re: #647 Aceofwhat?
i was watching a show the other night, had a few minutes before bed and nothing else was on...it was about Fish & Wildlife rangers in California.
apparently, you can hunt wild pig in Cali (they're a huge nuisance) with a gun, but not with a knife. they spent half of the show trying to pin a kill on some guy...seriously...only in Cali.
When I was a kid in Napa we hunted wild pigs in the Valley..
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charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:27:15pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:27:27pm |
I turn my back and look at what happens?
Zen Alinsky
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makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:27:28pm |
re: #682 Mr Pancakes
Your nic is very appropriate here.
/
It's strangely appropriate in a lot of situations. ;)
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:27:36pm |
re: #685 HoosierHoops
When I was a kid in Napa we hunted wild pigs in the Valley..
Nice! Did you ever get any?
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wee fury Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:28:27pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:28:38pm |
re: #683 NJDhockeyfan
Touchdown Packers!
Blowout in session.
They're ringing the dinner bell, because the Falcons are getting served!
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:28:40pm |
re: #681 prairiefire
Four is three too many. You will probably need a gun.
I really would rather not but they're getting more and more bold.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:29:16pm |
re: #684 prairiefire
Good read on how Tunisian revolution may affect Arab dictators:[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
I think it's a little premature to expect a wave of popular support for democracy in the Muslim world. I can only hope but I've been down this road before. I wonder if history will blame Bush if it comes to pass.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:29:27pm |
re: #691 Dark_Falcon
They're ringing the dinner bell, because the Falcons are getting served!
I'm glad we won't be hearing the term "Matty Ice" anymore this year.
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:30:05pm |
re: #677 Buck
I forgot which Alinsky Rule was, get yourself shot twice during a massacre, to advance ones political cause?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:30:30pm |
re: #686 charlz
Commentator just said this is like a clinic. He's right.
They just said Rodgers has 3 TD passes and 4 incompletions tonight. Amazing.
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:30:33pm |
re: #689 Aceofwhat?
Nice! Did you ever get any?
Never..to tell the truth...But we tried...I shot a few birds and a lot of rattle snakes
/I hate snakes
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:30:39pm |
re: #666 Jadespring
Well that was fun.
I think I'm going to have to get a gun. A broom just doesn't cut it...
There was four of them!
%^*&^*((*()))#$%%%
.22 magnum is more than enough for coyotes. Though local laws are always a consideration. I hear coyotes around the house here in Ohio in large packs yipping at night. Haven't seen any though and they're not threatening anyone. They within city limits so I do wonder if they're coyote dogs.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:31:21pm |
re: #693 Killgore Trout
It takes time, and generations. Remember the 50's? Smoking was cool, and now it's not. Democracy will overcome, but it will take a couple of generations.
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wee fury Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:31:30pm |
re: #691 Dark_Falcon
They're ringing the dinner bell, because the Falcons are getting served!
Sitting here grinning and gloating.
It just feels . . . right.
:D
| 702 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:32:23pm |
The song stuck in my head for some reason....
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Buck Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:32:46pm |
re: #695 Reginald Perrin
I forgot which Alinsky Rule was, get yourself shot twice during a massacre, to advance ones political cause?
You have been dying to say that all day huh?
Well, it was completely and totally irrelevant to what I wrote, so if you can hold on to it a bit longer, you might find the right opportunity....
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:33:27pm |
re: #697 HoosierHoops
Never..to tell the truth...But we tried...I shot a few birds and a lot of rattle snakes
/I hate snakes
aw, dude...you just haven't held enough snakes. there's nothing like having a [safe] snake hanging out on your arm - it's a really cool experience.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:33:42pm |
re: #701 wee fury
Sitting here grinning and gloating.
It just feels . . . right.
:D
As long as the Pats, Steelers, or Cutler do not win the Superbowl I'll be relatively pleased.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:33:47pm |
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:34:28pm |
re: #692 Jadespring
It's illegal to shoot them near here. San Gabriel mts. They are hell on cats and dogs.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:34:29pm |
I would like to see Green Bay and the Jets in the Super Bowl.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:35:48pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:35:48pm |
re: #702 Killgore Trout
The song stuck in my head for some reason...
[Video]
this is the one stuck in mine
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:35:50pm |
re: #705 Mr Pancakes
As long as the Pats, Steelers, or Cutler do not win the Superbowl I'll be relatively pleased.
What's wrong with Jay Cutler?
[glares at Mr. Pancakes]
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Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:36:34pm |
| 714 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:36:44pm |
Update on the previous thread
A man who was wounded in last Saturday's massacre in Tucson, Arizona, was taken to a county mental services unit Saturday after making a threatening comment at a town hall event in Tucson, Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan said.
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Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:37:09pm |
re: #518 Charles
What a moron. Hoft says you were 'praising' him yet I don't see any praise at all, just reporting the facts.
Hoft is so insanely dumb I have to think he knows what he's doing and just stirring shit up because he knows his fans are really dumb.
| 716 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:37:50pm |
re: #701 wee fury
Sitting here grinning and gloating.
It just feels . . . right.
:D
I don't watch football much, but on another site previewing tonights game I read:
On the other hand, the Packers are a very well balanced football team that amazingly has never trailed this season by more than a touchdown in any second of any football game. Read that sentence again: the Packers have never trailed this season by more than a touchdown in any second of any football game this season.
That's pretty amazing (the writer goes on to predict the Falcons winning :) )
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:37:58pm |
re: #702 Killgore Trout
The song stuck in my head for some reason...
[Video]
Here's one song you NEVER want to get stuck in your head all day......
You'd have an heart attack by noon.
| 718 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:38:10pm |
re: #714 Rightwingconspirator
Update on the previous thread
A man who was wounded in last Saturday's massacre in Tucson, Arizona, was taken to a county mental services unit Saturday after making a threatening comment at a town hall event in Tucson, Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan said.
Good. He will hopefully get the help he needs.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:38:31pm |
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Digital Display Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:38:31pm |
re: #704 Aceofwhat?
aw, dude...you just haven't held enough snakes. there's nothing like having a [safe] snake hanging out on your arm - it's a really cool experience.
I had a bad experience as a kid with snakes..
Given enough ammo..I'd kill every snake in the world..And sleep like a baby every night...*wink*
| 721 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:38:53pm |
re: #711 Dark_Falcon
What's wrong with Jay Cutler?
[glares at Mr. Pancakes]
Goes back to his Denver days...... I'll leave it at that.
| 722 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:38:59pm |
re: #715 BigPapa
What a moron. Hoft says you were 'praising' him yet I don't see any praise at all, just reporting the facts.
Hoft is so insanely dumb I have to think he knows what he's doing and just stirring shit up because he knows his fans are really dumb.
Kind of scary no? I mean that there's actually a hierarchy with these dimwits.
| 723 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:39:18pm |
re: #692 Jadespring
I really would rather not but they're getting more and more bold.
Yep, they're probably going "what was that stick thing she had? She has mighty tasty chickens." I think they need to be afraid of your "stick". Ugh, can you call animal control to pick up the remains?
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:39:19pm |
re: #720 HoosierHoops
I had a bad experience as a kid with snakes..
Given enough ammo..I'd kill every snake in the world..And sleep like a baby every night...*wink*
eh, that's ok...Indiana Jones hated them too. you're in good company!
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:39:35pm |
re: #698 Idle Drifter
.22 magnum is more than enough for coyotes. Though local laws are always a consideration. I hear coyotes around the house here in Ohio in large packs yipping at night. Haven't seen any though and they're not threatening anyone. They within city limits so I do wonder if they're coyote dogs.
Well technically the law says you have to get approval to shoot them here but since it's rural farm country it has it's own DADT sort of unofficial policy.
Coyote livestock kills claims have gone up 300% in the last few years so it's becoming a major issue in the area.
Part of the problem is some have some wolf genetics (coywolves) as well as some possible domestic dog genes (coydogs) so their behavior is less predictable. Plus they're just generally getting more bold and used to being around humans. Last summer one came right into the yard, in the middle of the day and snatched up a chicken while I was standing about 40ft away from it.
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Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:40:32pm |
The one song that lives in my head, lurking to strike at any moment.
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BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:41:16pm |
re: #725 Jadespring
Well technically the law says you have to get approval to shoot them here but since it's rural farm country it has it's own DADT sort of unofficial policy.
Coyote livestock kills claims have gone up 300% in the last few years so it's becoming a major issue in the area.Part of the problem is some have some wolf genetics (coywolves) as well as some possible domestic dog genes (coydogs) so their behavior is less predictable. Plus they're just generally getting more bold and used to being around humans. Last summer one came right into the yard, in the middle of the day and snatched up a chicken while I was standing about 40ft away from it.
Didn't know there was such a policy towards gay coyotes. That's horrible ///
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:42:08pm |
re: #721 Mr Pancakes
Goes back to his Denver days... I'll leave it at that.
Well, he's going to the Superbowl, so you need to accept his talent. :)
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:42:09pm |
re: #726 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
damn you
| 730 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:42:23pm |
re: #727 BryanS
Didn't know there was such a policy towards gay coyotes. That's horrible ///
The loneliest coyote.
| 731 |
samgak Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:42:42pm |
Good column by Charles M Blow about the reaction to the shootings:
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Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:43:00pm |
re: #723 prairiefire
Yep, they're probably going "what was that stick thing she had? She has mighty tasty chickens." I think they need to be afraid of your "stick". Ugh, can you call animal control to pick up the remains?
No. If I did end up shooting one I'd take it one of the local coyote hunters and get it skinned. Might sound awful but I figure at least it's death wouldn't be a total waste.
| 733 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:43:06pm |
re: #728 Dark_Falcon
Well, he's going to the Superbowl, so you need to accept his talent. :)
DF I said win the Superbowl...... nobody cares about the Superbowl loser.
| 734 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:43:31pm |
re: #729 Aceofwhat?
damn you
Turn the volume down on any martial arts movie, crank up the Sax, and relax.
| 735 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:44:39pm |
re: #733 Mr Pancakes
DF I said win the Superbowl... nobody cares about the Superbowl loser.
Most people feel sorry for Buffalo losing 4 in a row.
| 736 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:44:46pm |
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:44:52pm |
re: #725 Jadespring
Well technically the law says you have to get approval to shoot them here but since it's rural farm country it has it's own DADT sort of unofficial policy.
Coyote livestock kills claims have gone up 300% in the last few years so it's becoming a major issue in the area.Part of the problem is some have some wolf genetics (coywolves) as well as some possible domestic dog genes (coydogs) so their behavior is less predictable. Plus they're just generally getting more bold and used to being around humans. Last summer one came right into the yard, in the middle of the day and snatched up a chicken while I was standing about 40ft away from it.
I have been keeping up with various articles about wintering calves and even young adults being taken thus the driving force behind the interest and even need for hunting coyotes and hybrids alike. Though there is a consideration in areas of the safety of wolves as coywolves and coydogs look so much like them in size and shape. It's their boldness that has me concerned.
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Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:45:00pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:45:33pm |
re: #732 Jadespring
No. If I did end up shooting one I'd take it one of the local coyote hunters and get it skinned. Might sound awful but I figure at least it's death wouldn't be a total waste.
their fur is really nice if properly skinned. some Amish folks that my dad and I know in Ohio just shot one last week, trying to get at their sheep.
not a lot of questions asked in Knox county, Ohio;)
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prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:45:35pm |
re: #732 Jadespring
No, that doesn't sound awful. That's the most responsible thing to do. Just don't touch it! Who knows where that creature will have been./
| 741 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:45:58pm |
| 742 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:46:19pm |
re: #731 samgak
Don't miss this earlier one, about the problem of strong language poisoning weak minds.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:46:39pm |
re: #734 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Turn the volume down on any martial arts movie, crank up the Sax, and relax.
Puts a whole new spin to the finale of Enter the Dragon.
| 744 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:46:46pm |
| 745 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:46:49pm |
re: #717 Mr Pancakes
Here's one song you NEVER want to get stuck in your head all day...
You'd have an heart attack by noon.
[Video]
Dave Edmunds does a really cool version of that song.
| 746 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:46:57pm |
re: #737 Idle Drifter
I have been keeping up with various articles about wintering calves and even young adults being taken thus the driving force behind the interest and even need for hunting coyotes and hybrids alike. Though there is a consideration in areas of the safety of wolves as coywolves and coydogs look so much like them in size and shape. It's their boldness that has me concerned.
A creature as big and strong as a wolf, which operates in large packs, is more curious and shares a coyotes lack of fear about humans. What could possibly go wrong?
| 747 |
Charles Johnson Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:47:19pm |
re: #731 samgak
That's a terrible column, full of factual errors and stupid counter-intuitive nonsense. Charles Blow has previously called out the right for their rhetoric, but suddenly he sees nothing wrong with it. He's an ass.
| 748 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:47:54pm |
re: #741 NJDhockeyfan
The best running back they ever had is in prison.
Thurman Thomas went to prison?
| 749 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:47:55pm |
The Packers miss a FG. Atlanta has a chance!
| 750 |
makeitstop Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:48:04pm |
re: #726 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The one song that lives in my head, lurking to strike at any moment.
[Video]
I've got a mental picture of Benny Hill chasing a tall woman in lingerie now.
| 751 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:48:21pm |
re: #740 prairiefire
No, that doesn't sound awful. That's the most responsible thing to do. Just don't touch it! Who knows where that creature will have been./
Well I won't be shooting one anytime soon. Don't even have a gun.
To be honest I'm not sure I could shoot one. I've shot guns before and am a decent shot. I've just never shot anything live. I dunno.
I may end up doing what some people do and hire someone.
| 752 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:49:15pm |
| 753 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:49:24pm |
re: #750 makeitstop
I've got a mental picture of Benny Hill chasing a tall woman in lingerie now.
Or Benny Hinn being chased by a transvestite in lingerie.
| 754 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:50:26pm |
re: #742 jaunte
Don't miss this earlier one, about the problem of strong language poisoning weak minds.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Well that's odd isn't it? In light of the other column ??
Good eve, btw.
| 755 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:50:52pm |
re: #737 Idle Drifter
I have been keeping up with various articles about wintering calves and even young adults being taken thus the driving force behind the interest and even need for hunting coyotes and hybrids alike. Though there is a consideration in areas of the safety of wolves as coywolves and coydogs look so much like them in size and shape. It's their boldness that has me concerned.
There wouldn't be any real concern about wolves here which is fortunate. There aren't actually wolves in the area. The MNR figure that the wolf genes have spread into the area from further north.
| 757 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:52:09pm |
re: #754 marjoriemoon
Well that's odd isn't it? In light of the other column ??
Good eve, btw.
how you doin'?
| 758 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:52:17pm |
| 759 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:52:20pm |
| 760 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:52:47pm |
Is there such a thing as a pellet type gun that makes a really, really loud noise when it's shot?
| 761 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:53:00pm |
re: #748 Mr Pancakes
Thurman Thomas went to prison?
No, he's still looking for his helmet.
This guy who fly's through airports...
| 762 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:53:33pm |
re: #749 NJDhockeyfan
The Packers miss a FG. Atlanta has a chance!
Not much of one. They're not noted as a big play team.
| 763 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:53:40pm |
re: #749 NJDhockeyfan
The Packers miss a FG. Atlanta has a chance!
Why did that moron McCarthy do that??? If the Packers lose it will be purely that incompetent twit's fault. Arron Rodgers is proof that sufficent talent can overcome incompetent coaching but it only can go so far.
| 764 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:53:51pm |
| 765 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:54:09pm |
re: #761 NJDhockeyfan
No, he's still looking for his helmet.
This guy who fly's through airports...
[Video]
I know... I should have used a sarc tag.
| 766 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:54:13pm |
re: #754 marjoriemoon
Good evening! I see you ducked the earlier Alinskystorm.
| 767 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:54:13pm |
re: #760 Jadespring
Is there such a thing as a pellet type gun that makes a really, really loud noise when it's shot?
blanks, maybe? don't know if they're more expensive than actual bullets, though.
| 769 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:54:31pm |
re: #755 Jadespring
That would make sense as there have been trends of packs and individuals moving into new territories in the Eastern United States as the populations are expanding out west.
| 770 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:55:01pm |
re: #760 Jadespring
Is there such a thing as a pellet type gun that makes a really, really loud noise when it's shot?
Yup. Shoot your pellet gun with a 12 ga shotgun and it will make a huge sound.
| 771 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:55:34pm |
| 772 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:55:40pm |
re: #758 Reginald Perrin
You're funny!
| 773 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:55:46pm |
re: #764 marjoriemoon
Hey sweets! Great and you?
kids and wife had gastroenteritis this week...i didn't mind being out of town for work! all better now, though.
| 774 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:56:00pm |
re: #765 Mr Pancakes
I know... I should have used a sarc tag.
You gave me the opportunity to post an old OJ commercial. Thanks!
| 775 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:56:50pm |
re: #760 Jadespring
Is there such a thing as a pellet type gun that makes a really, really loud noise when it's shot?
There are hunting grade airguns up to .50 cal.
| 776 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:56:59pm |
re: #766 jaunte
Good evening! I see you ducked the earlier Alinskystorm.
I just saw that coming in! I always miss the good stuff!
I've been doing a bit of clay craft work. I haven't done much crafting the last couple years so it was nice to get back. Very meditative... zen like thing for me. heh
| 777 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:57:21pm |
| 778 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:57:50pm |
re: #775 Idle Drifter
There are hunting grade airguns up to .50 cal.
Hmm... I wonder if I would have to get a license and register something like that.
| 779 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:58:11pm |
re: #677 Buck
Surprise surprise surprise.
| 780 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:58:31pm |
re: #773 Aceofwhat?
kids and wife had gastroenteritis this week...i didn't mind being out of town for work! all better now, though.
Ooo I'm sorry to hear that. Stomach flu? NOT fun... glad they're feeling better!
| 782 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 7:59:33pm |
| 783 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:00:18pm |
| 784 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:00:24pm |
| 785 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:00:36pm |
re: #760 Jadespring
Is there such a thing as a pellet type gun that makes a really, really loud noise when it's shot?
A starter's pistol will do the trick, and they are legal in the Great White North.
| 786 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:01:42pm |
re: #760 Jadespring
You can get noisemaker shells for a 12 ga shotgun. Look out for your ears!
| 787 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:02:07pm |
re: #785 Reginald Perrin
A starter's pistol will do the trick, and they are legal in the Great White North.
Hmm....now that's an idea.
Oh and I bet I could freak really freak them out with a flare gun. :)
| 788 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:02:16pm |
Btw, was the event televised? With Amanpour if anyone knows. Or maybe they'll show it on This Week tomorrow?
| 789 |
otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:02:26pm |
re: #784 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
just to be clear, we won't be accused of rickrolling, right?
| 790 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:03:08pm |
re: #787 Jadespring
What about an air horn?
| 791 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:03:10pm |
re: #787 Jadespring
Hmm...now that's an idea.
Oh and I bet I could freak really freak them out with a flare gun. :)
Could get one of those air horns that run off a gas cylinder.
| 792 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:03:21pm |
ABC did not allow KGUN9 to place a news photographer inside the meeting room during the program. However, ABC will broadcast the town hall meeting, entitled "After the Tragedy: An American Conversation Continued," Sunday. The network has given KGUN9-TV permission to air the broadcast twice. It can be seen at its regular time period of 7:00 AM Sunday (January 16) and also at 3:00 PM the same day.
| 793 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:04:11pm |
re: #786 Rightwingconspirator
You can get noisemaker shells for a 12 ga shotgun. Look out for your ears!
I think I'd have to get a permit and register a shot gun. Not that I would have a problem doing that but it's a pain.
| 794 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:04:37pm |
re: #776 marjoriemoon
I just saw that coming in! I always miss the good stuff!
I've been doing a bit of clay craft work. I haven't done much crafting the last couple years so it was nice to get back. Very meditative... zen like thing for me. heh
Zen for me is a thread flying along at light speed...for whatever else they say about LGF, no blog has more fun when it goes off
| 795 |
otoc Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:04:41pm |
re: #787 Jadespring
Hmm...now that's an idea.
Oh and I bet I could freak really freak them out with a flare gun. :)
Nail the right orifice with that flare gun and you'll have a million hit youtube sensation on your hands.
| 796 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:06:07pm |
Unified Marine 50074005 Air Horn
Easy to operate push button horn. Ozone safe for a cleaner environment. Made of high impact plastic. Can be heard up to one mile away. Meets Coast Guard requirements for boats up to 65ft.
| 797 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:06:21pm |
re: #776 marjoriemoon
I just saw that coming in! I always miss the good stuff!
I've been doing a bit of clay craft work. I haven't done much crafting the last couple years so it was nice to get back. Very meditative... zen like thing for me. heh
Good for you; I do that with wood carving. It's relaxing until I cut into part of myself, and have to wake up.
| 798 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:06:24pm |
meanwhile, the Packers are kicking the Falcons out of the building....football shred
| 799 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:06:28pm |
re: #787 Jadespring
Hmm...now that's an idea.
Oh and I bet I could freak really freak them out with a flare gun. :)
Back when they were easily obtained, M80's were a good way to scare off pests, all you had to do was it withing 100 feet and they didn't stop running until they were in the next township.
| 800 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:06:54pm |
Another Falcons turnover give the Packers the ball back. This one is over.
| 801 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:07:50pm |
Atlanta fumbles again. I think Green Bay might be able to pull this one out.
| 802 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:07:54pm |
re: #793 Jadespring
True, but if you needed to protect yourself from one...
I wonder if a civilian could get the sandbag or rubber bullet cartridge. One thing that is ass backwards about gun controls is lots of less lethal devices are L.E. only. Hmm.
| 803 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:08:10pm |
re: #799 Reginald Perrin
Back when they were easily obtained, M80's were a good way to scare off pests, all you had to do was it withing 100 feet and they didn't stop running until they were in the next township.
oh, cool, you're having scotch too?
//
i really am drinking scotch though
| 804 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:08:50pm |
re: #782 Idle Drifter
Dude. That was fucking awesome.
| 805 |
wee fury Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:09:11pm |
Falcon fans have left the building. And, it isn't even cold there. Poor excuse for a fan base.
| 806 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:09:40pm |
Hopefully Da Bears will hold another bird roast tomorrow so we can all get down to some serious football next week. That will be the real Super Bowl and the Leftover Bowl can wait.
| 807 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:09:42pm |
re: #800 Dark_Falcon
Another Falcons turnover give the Packers the ball back. This one is over.
This was over before half time.
| 808 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:10:41pm |
re: #802 Rightwingconspirator
True, but if you needed to protect yourself from one...
I wonder if a civilian could get the sandbag or rubber bullet cartridge. One thing that is ass backwards about gun controls is lots of less lethal devices are L.E. only. Hmm.
Its one of those inverse logic deals. Everyone knows a gun is dangerous, so they're more careful. Slap "Less Lethal" on it and people will be more likely to use it, even in situations where its not called for and more people will get injured.
| 809 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:11:02pm |
re: #805 wee fury
Falcon fans have left the building. And, it isn't even cold there. Poor excuse for a fan base.
that's a bit harsh...
| 810 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:11:41pm |
re: #794 albusteve
Zen for me is a thread flying along at light speed...for whatever else they say about LGF, no blog has more fun when it goes off
Oh yea! But clay keeps my BP a lot lower.
| 811 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:12:17pm |
"Matt Flynn in for whatever is left. Rodgers's final statistics: 31 of 36, 366 yards, 3 TD passes, 1 rushing TD, no turnovers."
NY Times game blog.
| 812 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:12:28pm |
re: #803 Aceofwhat?
oh, cool, you're having scotch too?
//
i really am drinking scotch though
Diet Coke....
Working tomorrow
| 813 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:13:05pm |
re: #799 Reginald Perrin
Back when they were easily obtained, M80's were a good way to scare off pests, all you had to do was it withing 100 feet and they didn't stop running until they were in the next township.
M80's? We'd go to Mexico and get M1000's...... they were the equivalent to a quarter stick of dynamite. You ran the other direction fast and hope you didn't trip in the process.... or toss them off a cliff.
| 814 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:13:22pm |
re: #782 Idle Drifter
[Video]
Alinsky Outside.
NSFW or small children.
That was great! Irish hillbillies.
| 815 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:13:25pm |
re: #804 Slumbering Behemoth
Dude. That was fucking awesome.
Thanks, it's been one of those "I love it!" or "I hate it!" songs with people I share it with. I came across it on Crack.com on an article about satire and how people really miss the point. Still a great song.
| 816 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:14:00pm |
| 817 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:14:02pm |
| 818 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:14:36pm |
re: #817 Aceofwhat?
Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome, here.
| 819 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:15:26pm |
| 820 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:15:31pm |
re: #813 Mr Pancakes
M80's? We'd go to Mexico and get M1000's... they were the equivalent to a quarter stick of dynamite. You ran the other direction fast and hope you didn't trip in the process... or toss them off a cliff.
this feels like deja vu...didn't a few of us just have a convo the other week about how it's not actually a 1/4 stick of dynamite in terms of explosive force?
or was i talking with someone else?
weird.
| 821 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:15:35pm |
Disturbing news out of Israel...
Warning time from Hamas, Hezbollah rockets to Tel Aviv now just 90 seconds
Recent intelligence suggests the militant groups are hiding large numbers of more accurate long-range rockets in buildings designed to look like homes.
| 822 |
Jadespring Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:15:41pm |
re: #813 Mr Pancakes
M80's? We'd go to Mexico and get M1000's... they were the equivalent to a quarter stick of dynamite. You ran the other direction fast and hope you didn't trip in the process... or toss them off a cliff.
What's an M80?
| 823 |
charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:16:59pm |
| 824 |
William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:17:03pm |
| 826 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:17:19pm |
re: #822 Jadespring
What's an M80?
Stuff you blow up shit with. They are fun as hell. I don't think you can buy them anymore though.
| 827 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:17:56pm |
re: #820 Aceofwhat?
this feels like deja vu...didn't a few of us just have a convo the other week about how it's not actually a 1/4 stick of dynamite in terms of explosive force?
or was i talking with someone else?
weird.
Oh it wasn't me...... but perhaps they weren't equivalent but they must have been close. I just know they were fucking powerful.
| 828 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:17:58pm |
re: #818 prairiefire
Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome, here.
Your taste, as usual, is impeccable.
We had dinner at my parents' to celebrate my sister's birthday and i had a glass of Knob Creek whiskey. It got me in the mood, so now i'm having a little Glenlivet. The whiskey was excellent, but i slightly prefer single malt if it's around.
| 829 |
BryanS Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:18:17pm |
re: #821 NJDhockeyfan
Disturbing news out of Israel...
Warning time from Hamas, Hezbollah rockets to Tel Aviv now just 90 seconds
Iran/Syria have been building up near Isreal in full speed ever since the major setbacks on Iran's nuclear program. Won't be surprised if a new round of attacks or an all out war is in the offing as a reprisal.
| 830 |
charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:18:35pm |
"Green Bay Packers have not punted tonight"
tv caption
| 831 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:18:50pm |
| 832 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:19:00pm |
re: #822 Jadespring
What's an M80?
You could also throw them in water and they'd still go off...... destroyed many a toilet.
| 833 |
Daniel Ballard Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:19:35pm |
re: #808 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Given the criminal penalties for discharging a gun illegally, that's not much of a theory. The language ignores what you fire from the gun. Even blanks.
California-Concealed knife= felony. Pistol? Wobbler but almost certainly misdemeanor.
One more stupidity-Civilian strength mace or pepper spray is 10% strength compared to L.E. Explain that to an assault victim looking for a way to defend themselves without a gun.
| 834 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:20:03pm |
re: #813 Mr Pancakes
M80's? We'd go to Mexico and get M1000's... they were the equivalent to a quarter stick of dynamite. You ran the other direction fast and hope you didn't trip in the process... or toss them off a cliff.
They are also great for collecting bait, tie a rock to one, drop it off a dock and the concussion stuns small fish which then float up to the surface.
Seine net..... we don't need no stinkin seine net!
| 835 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:20:06pm |
re: #832 Mr Pancakes
You could also throw them in water and they'd still go off... destroyed many a toilet.
They are great for fishing!
| 836 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:20:17pm |
re: #827 Mr Pancakes
Oh it wasn't me... but perhaps they weren't equivalent but they must have been close. I just know they were fucking powerful.
well, it's just that flash powder is much less explosive (in terms of force) than nitroglycerin-based explosives. just as loud, and it'll still do damage if you're holding it when it pops, but the force produced isn't the same.
| 837 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:20:45pm |
re: #830 charlz
"Green Bay Packers have not punted tonight"
tv caption
now why would Obama make them say that/
| 838 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:21:26pm |
re: #821 NJDhockeyfan
Disturbing news out of Israel...
Warning time from Hamas, Hezbollah rockets to Tel Aviv now just 90 seconds
Aw, hell!
| 840 |
wee fury Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:21:45pm |
Hooray Packers!
O -- I apologize to the Falcon fans for what I typed earlier.
It was typed in the heat of the moment.
| 841 |
charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:22:06pm |
| 842 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:22:27pm |
| 843 |
Dancing along the light of day Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:23:34pm |
Good night, all.
Be well.
*smooch* even if you don't deserve it!
| 845 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:24:25pm |
| 846 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:25:08pm |
re: #816 prairiefire
Hey, sweetie! Can you throw a pot?
Hola, prairie! I used to. Do you? That's a talent. I did it for about a year. My friend at the time went on with it. She'd make porcelain and was quite good.
I'm trying to do these. Polymer flower canes with the millefiori design. A woman made a clock out of a CD covered in the millefiori design.
Now these ladies are professionals. This is also very hard to do I'm finding out!
| 847 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:26:44pm |
re: #836 Aceofwhat?
well, it's just that flash powder is much less explosive (in terms of force) than nitroglycerin-based explosives. just as loud, and it'll still do damage if you're holding it when it pops, but the force produced isn't the same.
Don't know. I wouldn't want to be holding one when it went off..... If you are familiar with an M80 it was probably 5 times larger.
| 848 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:28:00pm |
re: #845 Dark_Falcon
I know. Bad times.
I don't know why Israel doesn't roar into the UN Gen Assembly and raise holy hell about south Lebanon...they have nothing to lose anymore
| 849 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:28:08pm |
HAMAS WITCH HUNT, 150 ARRESTED IN 2010
Hamas leaders are committed to a systematic ''witch hunt'' and 150 women were arrested in 2010 in Gaza for having made recourse to witchcraft of some sort. During a symposium held in recent days in Gaza, it was stated that in the eyes of Hamas, the activities of these women represent a real social danger, also because they risk ''breaking up families,'' causing divorce and frittering away of money. Sometimes their activities also have criminal repercussions. One awareness campaign against ''the witches'' was launched using large posters in mosques, universities and public offices frequented by women.
The issue emerged again in August last year when a 62-year-old woman, Jabryieh Abu Ghanas, considered to be active in the field of ''witchcraft'' and the production of ''voodoo dolls'', was shot dead in a street in the centre of Gaza. This murder caused great alarm in the Palestinian human rights defence organisations al-Mezan and Pchr-Gaza. It seems however that for now Hamas are not using an iron hand in regard to the women suspected of witchcraft. They are forced to sign an undertaking to abandon their practices, consider incompatible with Islam, for good. It seems this measure has been sufficient and to date there is no news of any ''witch'' being imprisoned by Hamas.
Here's some video taken from Gaza...
| 850 |
Idle Drifter Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:29:25pm |
Good night, All. I'll be lurking again tomorrow.
| 851 |
charlz Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:30:39pm |
G'night from me, too; way past my bedtime. It's been fun.
| 852 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:31:29pm |
SDSU Aztecs beat New Mexico tonight!
19-0 now. Ranked 6th in the nation.
WOW
| 853 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:31:51pm |
re: #849 NJDhockeyfan
HAMAS WITCH HUNT, 150 ARRESTED IN 2010
Here's some video taken from Gaza...
[Video]
Hamas has more to worry about than witches and social engineering...the IDF has limited patience
| 854 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:33:07pm |
I'm fading, so I'm going to turn in early. Goodnight, all.
| 855 |
Aceofwhat? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:33:15pm |
yeesh, it's 11:30 already. nighty-nite, all.
| 856 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:33:16pm |
re: #852 Mr Pancakes
SDSU Aztecs beat New Mexico tonight!
19-0 now. Ranked 6th in the nation.
WOW
the Lobos are already desperate...we are not the same team as the last two years especially in the conference...we stink
| 857 |
NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:33:19pm |
re: #853 albusteve
Hamas has more to worry about than witches and social engineering...the IDF has limited patience
They should be more worried about the Juice!
| 858 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:33:58pm |
| 859 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:35:05pm |
re: #856 albusteve
the Lobos are already desperate...we are not the same team as the last two years especially in the conference...we stink
SDSU is doing very good this year...... Duke...... look out!
| 861 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:36:53pm |
re: #860 Gus 802
We have to do something to get all the short crops picked.
/
| 862 |
Big Joe Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:37:37pm |
re: #861 jaunte
We have to do something to get all the short crops picked.
/
Five year olds would be perfect for that!
| 863 |
Kragar Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:39:24pm |
re: #861 jaunte
We have to do something to get all the short crops picked.
/
They're great for vent work. Fit in those tight spaces in buildings for wiring and cleaning.
| 864 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:39:40pm |
re: #861 jaunte
We have to do something to get all the short crops picked.
/
They're also great for cleaning out railroad tank cars.
//
| 865 |
albusteve Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:39:45pm |
re: #862 mracb
Five year olds would be perfect for that!
so would inmates...get them off their fat asses and put them to work
| 866 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:40:04pm |
re: #846 marjoriemoon
No, I can not throw a pot. I made several lop sided ash trays.
Those are pretty, very nice.
| 867 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:40:36pm |
re: #860 Gus 802
Fuck yeah! Let's bring this back. I fuckin' hate kids anyway.
///11ty
| 868 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:42:36pm |
re: #867 Slumbering Behemoth
Fuck yeah! Let's bring this back. I fuckin' hate kids anyway.
///11ty
Where have these weirdos been all of these years? Basically he says that it shouldn't have been congress regulating child labor but the states.
States rights for child labor!!11ty
| 869 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:43:27pm |
re: #863 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
They're great for vent work. Fit in those tight spaces in buildings for wiring and cleaning.
Heating, ventilation and children: HVAC.
//
| 870 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:44:07pm |
| 871 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:44:22pm |
re: #860 Gus 802
Blah Blah, Sen. Mike Lee Wants Child Labor Legal Again, Blah Blah
State's rights, baby! Yahooo. (freaking moron)
Hope you're feeling ok, btw :)
| 872 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:44:30pm |
re: #870 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh. "State's Rights" and "Labor"...
Where have I heard that one before?
Slavery?
| 873 |
Mr Pancakes Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:45:16pm |
re: #869 Gus 802
Heating, ventilation and children: HVAC.
//
Yea I'm all for this...... it's about time kids stopped getting a pass.
| 874 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:46:22pm |
re: #871 marjoriemoon
State's rights, baby! Yahooo. (freaking moron)
Hope you're feeling ok, btw :)
I'm doing alright. Drinking a Guinness bomber. Trying not to think about "stuff" and such. How's things by you?
| 876 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:46:54pm |
re: #866 prairiefire
No, I can not throw a pot. I made several lop sided ash trays.
Those are pretty, very nice.
hehe This requires a great deal of patience. I was looking at examples when I came upon those. I also found a page from a camp where some pre-school kids made these designs on some bowls. Mine looked pretty much like theirs. That was quite a blow, I must tell you! I'm persevering, nonetheless.
| 877 |
Reginald Perrin Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:48:24pm |
How many Alinskys can dance on in the head of a Teabagger.
nite all
| 878 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:49:14pm |
re: #875 Slumbering Behemoth
Essentially he could have made the same argument with slavery. Would like to see him try that. In consideration of all of the recent neo-Confederates though there's no doubt that he, they, are thinking about it. If it was up to them they would have said something akin to "congress had no Constitutional right to outlaw slavery and the outlawing of slavery should have been left to the sates."
| 879 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:49:38pm |
re: #874 Gus 802
I'm doing alright. Drinking a Guinness bomber. Trying not to think about "stuff" and such. How's things by you?
Oh fair to partly sunny. We all were thinking on you the other day.
Guinness sounds tasty. It's Saturday night. They say it's alright for fightin :)
| 880 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:51:46pm |
re: #879 marjoriemoon
Oh fair to partly sunny. We all were thinking on you the other day.
Guinness sounds tasty. It's Saturday night. They say it's alright for fightin :)
Oh I don't know if I told ya' but I got turned around for not having an acute condition. So I have to go back on Tuesday to see about getting a doctor at the same hospital.
Fightin' aye! It's us against the butthurt and the obsessed! Maybe not.
| 882 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:53:47pm |
re: #878 Gus 802
The more I think on it, the more I consider it to be an incredibly subtle dog whistle that is far too clever* to come from your average Confederate Teahadi.
*Do note that just because I find it clever, does not in anyway mean that I approve.
| 883 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:55:09pm |
re: #880 Gus 802
Oh I don't know if I told ya' but I got turned around for not having an acute condition. So I have to go back on Tuesday to see about getting a doctor at the same hospital.
Fightin' aye! It's us against the butthurt and the obsessed! Maybe not.
Now wait a minute... What's this about?
| 885 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:56:03pm |
re: #880 Gus 802
Oh I don't know if I told ya' but I got turned around for not having an acute condition. So I have to go back on Tuesday to see about getting a doctor at the same hospital.
Fightin' aye! It's us against the butthurt and the obsessed! Maybe not.
Oh dear... well, don't think about it until you have to. That's my philosophy about those things.
| 886 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:57:23pm |
| 887 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:58:29pm |
re: #884 Gus 802
Which part? The doctor part?
The doctor part. I wasn't aware of you having any health problems.
| 889 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 8:59:01pm |
| 890 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:00:05pm |
re: #887 Slumbering Behemoth
The doctor part. I wasn't aware of you having any health problems.
I've had them for a while. Maybe more than 5 years. Worse is the umbilical hernia and the neck pain. The other stuff might be diabetes but I don't know. Never took a glucose tolerance test.
| 891 |
jaunte Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:02:12pm |
re: #886 Slumbering Behemoth
I don't have any photos, unfortunately, but my great grandfather worked on a whaling ship for ten years, starting at age 10.
| 892 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:02:29pm |
re: #889 marjoriemoon
I always think about chimney sweeps.
Ah the good old days. Again. Then send them off to the Philippines or to WWI. Maybe off to fight in the Indian "wars" and fight for their country!
| 893 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:03:51pm |
re: #890 Gus 802
What's an umbilical hernia? I had an inguinal hernia a few years back.
| 894 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:04:39pm |
re: #893 Slumbering Behemoth
What's an umbilical hernia? I had an inguinal hernia a few years back.
Belly button. That's just a self diagnosis but I'm pretty sure it's what I have.
| 895 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:06:20pm |
re: #891 jaunte
Ah, a true "Golden Age" for humanity. Long before all this Satanic, gov't regulation came about to destroy our culture.
/
| 896 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:06:34pm |
re: #894 Gus 802
Belly button. That's just a self diagnosis but I'm pretty sure it's what I have.
Don't lift anything over 20 pounds.
| 897 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:07:19pm |
re: #892 Gus 802
Ah the good old days. Again. Then send them off to the Philippines or to WWI. Maybe off to fight in the Indian "wars" and fight for their country!
Send them off on orphan trains.
| 898 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:08:11pm |
re: #895 Slumbering Behemoth
Ah, a true "Golden Age" for humanity. Long before all this Satanic, gov't regulation came about to destroy our culture.
/
Damn building codes, clean water, sewer systems, 5 day work weeks, holidays and vacations! Who needs 'em. We were much better off in the late 1800s and into the Great Depression.
/
| 899 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:08:20pm |
re: #894 Gus 802
Does it hurt?
| 900 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:10:27pm |
re: #899 Slumbering Behemoth
Does it hurt?
Not really. It kind of flutters around there sometimes. The muscles that is. Might have other associated problems though because I can't eat too much without feeling like I had a turkey dinner. My brother thinks I might have pancreatitis along with an inflamed gall bladder. Both he and my sister had that but they had some serious pain issues before they ended up removing their GBs.
| 901 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:11:31pm |
re: #892 Gus 802
Ah the good old days. Again. Then send them off to the Philippines or to WWI. Maybe off to fight in the Indian "wars" and fight for their country!
I was just looking for pics of children chimney sweeps in the states and ran across this, slave children doing chimney sweeping, although that picture was taken in a studio.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
You have to look at that whole album. Some pretty rare pictures of slave families.
| 902 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:11:39pm |
re: #899 Slumbering Behemoth
Does it hurt?
But it does hurt around the lower abdomen if I stand up moving around things. Even relatively light objects.
| 903 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:11:57pm |
re: #900 Gus 802
GERD is quite common. Raising your bed by 4 inches helps that quite a bit. Seriously, don't lift anything.
| 904 |
Gus Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:15:07pm |
re: #901 marjoriemoon
I was just looking for pics of children chimney sweeps in the states and ran across this, slave children doing chimney sweeping, although that picture was taken in a studio.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
You have to look at that whole album. Some pretty rare pictures of slave families.
You ever see the old prison illustrations? There aren't too many photos of course. Damn places used to be almost like dungeons. Torture was common.
| 905 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:17:31pm |
re: #900 Gus 802
Damn bro, sorry to hear that.
See the doctors, press for treatment. Ask lots of questions and don't take "No" for an answer. Don't get triaged.
| 906 |
samgak Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:19:01pm |
re: #744 Reginald Perrin
Polly want a cracker?
That one was posted earlier today and was dead on arrival
Can you point me to the thread? I didn't see it.
re: #747 Charles
That's a terrible column, full of factual errors and stupid counter-intuitive nonsense. Charles Blow has previously called out the right for their rhetoric, but suddenly he sees nothing wrong with it. He's an ass.
There is nothing contradictory about calling out the right for extreme rhetoric, while also expressing skepticism that it was a major contributing cause of the Tucson shooting. Violent rhetoric is still dangerous, even if it wasn't a major cause of this particular incident. It's pretty clear that Mr Blow does not "see nothing wrong" with right-wing rhetoric.
Regarding factual errors, I assume you mean his reporting of the opinion poll results that show X% of Americans believe violent rhetoric was the cause of the shooting. Those poll results are meaningless anyway, you can't crowd-source a psychiatric diagnosis.
There is still no specific evidence that right-wing rhetoric influenced Loughner at all. All the "evidence" has been put forward so far is:
- Opinion polls about how many people think it did (meaningless).
- Mountains of examples of violent rhetoric from the Tea Party, which should certainly be condemned regardless, but it hasn't been established that Loughner actually read or was influenced by any of it.
- The opinions of police officers and victims of the shooting, without any specific reference to anything that Loughner is known to have read or watched, or opinions he is known to have voiced.
Seriously, people should be a little more skeptical about this and go and read Loughner's internet postings and watch his YouTube videos if they want to get an idea of what was going on in his mind, instead of just signing on to the "right-wing terrorist" narrative. There is no way anyone who is being honest with themselves can continue to believe it. He was a delusional conspiracy theorist obsessed with NASA conspiracy theories, date systems and lucid dreaming.
| 907 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:19:47pm |
re: #904 Gus 802
You ever see the old prison illustrations? There aren't too many photos of course. Damn places used to be almost like dungeons. Torture was common.
Yes I have. Horrifying.
| 908 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:37:58pm |
Nite all. Sleep well and dream of large women.
| 909 |
prairiefire Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:38:35pm |
re: #908 Slumbering Behemoth
Nite all. Sleep well and dream of large women.
Oh, that will be easy then. Night.
| 910 |
Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:45:28pm |
re: #906 samgak
Seriously, people should be a little more skeptical about this and go and read Loughner's internet postings and watch his YouTube videos if they want to get an idea of what was going on in his mind, instead of just signing on to the "right-wing terrorist" narrative. There is no way anyone who is being honest with themselves can continue to believe it.
We read his posting and watched his video. You should spend some more time reading postings here before you make an ignorant assessment.
If you were honest with yourself.
| 911 |
samgak Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:48:21pm |
re: #910 BigPapa
We read his posting and watched his video.
But you still think Tea-Bagger rhetoric made him do it, huh? Well, I guess you can lead a horse to water...
| 912 |
lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:48:26pm |
re: #275 wrenchwench
Fixed that for both of you.
Good grief. Suggesting on TV that somebody gives every indication of mental illness is not medical malpractice. In the first place, it's not any medical action of any sort. It's a statement of opinion.
In the second place, you have no reason or grounds for your own opinion that Krauthammer's opinion is incompetent or negligent. Just because he's persona non grata to most posters here doesn't make him wrong about something where he actually knows a lot.
In the third place, this opinion is hardly an outlier, nor is it an outlier among professionals.
And finally, accusations of malpractice ought not be thrown about cavalierly. You didn't expressly indicate you were just funnin.
Your better nature will conclude that yeah, maybe that wasn't quite the thing to say.
| 913 |
lostlakehiker Sat, Jan 15, 2011 9:54:58pm |
re: #31 Conservative Moonbat
I gotta admit, If I got shot for no good reason I'd be pretty goddamn pissed off too.
A lot of people got shot and lived. They all have good reason to be pissed. Most are maintaining an enviable poise and dignity. Not to curse Fuller---who can be sure how he'd hold up in Fuller's shoes? But still, it's not as if human strength and poise is just not up to the challenge Fuller faced.
| 914 |
What, me worry? Sat, Jan 15, 2011 10:12:40pm |
re: #911 samgak
No one has heard anything from Loughner about why, although he's been diagnosed by every armchair shrink with a keyboard. LGF is no different there.
Regardless, lots of people have been complaining at the ratcheting up of the rhetoric for a long time now. Since before Joe Wilson's shouting at Obama on the House floor to the birther shouting from the gallery the other week. It's penetrating our society and dropping the level of discourse to barbarianism and it's got to stop.
| 915 |
spiderx Sat, Jan 15, 2011 10:19:27pm |
the right wing keeps saying that the left and the "liberal media" have blamed Sarah Palin for this shooting. Where's the evidence of that?
Is pointing out the crosshairs map and reload rhetoric assigning blame?
| 916 |
Kronocide Sat, Jan 15, 2011 10:27:02pm |
re: #911 samgak
But you still think Tea-Bagger rhetoric made him do it, huh? Well, I guess you can lead a horse to water...
No I don't. Where do you get that idea?
I didn't even lead to any water but you drank it up.
| 917 |
samgak Sat, Jan 15, 2011 11:24:43pm |
re: #916 BigPapa
No I don't. Where do you get that idea?
I got the idea because I posted an article by a columnist who was skeptical that Loughner in particular was influenced by Tea Party etc rhetoric, but still condemned extremist rhetoric in general. This received a very negative response, so I assumed that the people disagreeing with it must be of the opinion that he is wrong and that they have some evidence that Loughner WAS INDEED influenced by said rhetoric. If not, what is their disagreement?
| 918 |
Kronocide Sun, Jan 16, 2011 5:11:27am |
re: #917 samgak
Dislike of a column does not mean directly opposite opinion. There was a couple of issues with that article, namely Blow's attitude.
| 919 |
Romantic Heretic Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:37:57am |
re: #52 researchok
Won't happen.
What is obvious to you, me and most everyone else means little when it comes to mental illness.
If he had displayed symptoms of typhus, cholera, TB or any other communicable disease we would employ mechanisms already in place to quarantine the individual and keep him away from the general population.
Mental illness is different in that no matter how obviously disturbed or dysfunctional the individual is, he or she cannot be quarantined if he or she questions the diagnosis. The problem is decades old and is exacerbated by some cultural shifts (think Cho at VA Tech).
The same applies to serious behavior issues. To remove an obviously disruptive/dangerous student from a classroom can be a production if the parents aren't cooperative, etc.
And that's only a part of the problem.
Since I have a mental illness that has caused me and others endless grief I'll add my own two cents.
Most people don't believe in mental illness, and they are frightened of it.
To most people mental illness is just a matter of strength and rationality. If you "get back on the horse and start riding you'll be fine." I had a friend say that to me when he visited me in the hospital after a suicide attempt. People simply don't understand and they get angry when a mentally ill person doesn't act the way they're supposed to.
And people are frightened of mental illness because of this. Here in North America we are severe control freaks and people out of control really unnerve us.
It's why our mental health systems are severely underfunded and staffed. As a people we can't see the need for it, and we'd rather it just go away.
| 920 |
Romantic Heretic Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:47:01am |
| 921 |
otoc Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:51:10am |
A brief clip of the arrest of Fuller can be watched here.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Fuller is sitting next to a person describing the tragic event...
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
I'm no doctor, but he either looks like he's already in a state of mind for what could be a multitude of reasons.
| 922 |
Romantic Heretic Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:51:45am |
re: #125 TheGonz
The good news is that Eric Fuller is going to get exactly what he deserves. . .some time in a nice little 10x10 cell to think about what he's done.
Hopefully, before too much longer, the Paul Krugmans and Bill Mahers of the world will get the same.
Once again the Tea Partiers make it clear that the only part of the Constitution they support is the Second Amendment. The rest can be burned, along with the 'libruls'.
| 923 |
punchy100 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:13:08am |
Oh, yes, we in Arizona live in the Wild West because a left winger threatened a right winger. Nothing like this ever happens in other places. /sarcasm.
Just because the bowl of breakfast cereal that is CA (complete with nuts, fruits, and flakes) manages to miss being the insane headline of the day for once, doesn't mean the rest of of the Southwest is turning into some kind of bandlands of miscreant behavior. We have the 5th largest city in the US. Guess what? That means some stupid crap will happen here, but I'll pit the sanity of my state against almost every other one in the Union.
BTW, Looks like you didn't need "Breitbart, Jim Hoft, and the rest of the right wing blogosphere." Eric Fuller smeared himself.
| 924 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:02:20pm |
re: #923 punchy100
why hello there, guy from 2004 with no comments. Whose sock are you?
| 925 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:03:12pm |
re: #919 Romantic Heretic
Since I have a mental illness that has caused me and others endless grief I'll add my own two cents.
Most people don't believe in mental illness, and they are frightened of it.
To most people mental illness is just a matter of strength and rationality. If you "get back on the horse and start riding you'll be fine." I had a friend say that to me when he visited me in the hospital after a suicide attempt. People simply don't understand and they get angry when a mentally ill person doesn't act the way they're supposed to.
And people are frightened of mental illness because of this. Here in North America we are severe control freaks and people out of control really unnerve us.
It's why our mental health systems are severely underfunded and staffed. As a people we can't see the need for it, and we'd rather it just go away.
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