When Dim Bulbs Attack (or, A Confederacy of Dunces)

WingnutsJanuary 2011 • Views: 43,333

DerpImagine my surprise. Instead of retracting his monumentally dumb post claiming that the White House flashed “applause” signs at the Tucson memorial, Jim “Dim” Hoft goes on the attack — and it’s just as lame and dishonest as the stupid post he refuses to correct.

Hoft’s weird fantasy: Figures. Charles Johnson’s Crackpot Hero Arrested For Threatening to Kill Tea Party Leader on National TV.

What a shock.
Yesterday Charles Johnson was praising this far left crackpot for blaming conservatives for the Tuscon shootings.
(One more time: The tea party had nothing to do with the shootings. The shooter was an insane left-wing pothead.)

Flash Forward 24 Hours—

Today that same freak was arrested and charged with with threats and intimidation and disorderly conduct.

Violent crackpot Eric Fuller was arrested for threatening to kill a tea party leader live on national TV.

Don’t worry, Charles. I won’t smear Mr. Fuller.
I promise.

UPDATE: Fuller will undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
Charles is still on the loose.

To “prove” that Eric Fuller is my “hero,” Hoft takes a screenshot of my post. Apparently he believes I might delete this damning evidence of my idolization of Eric Fuller. Here it is:

Notice anything missing from that post? For example, any hint of “praise” for Fuller? Hoft is either too dim-witted to realize that his own screenshot puts the lie to his false claims, or he just doesn’t care.

In Hoft’s exceedingly vague right wing fantasy world, citing a news article and reporting it straight is exactly the same as “praise.” (And by the way, my prediction in that last sentence was proven true, as the right wing blogosphere immediately started attacking Mr. Fuller after his statement.)

And when Eric Fuller was charged with disorderly conduct for threatening a Tea Party leader (who, it should be noted, tried to blame the Tucson shootings on Giffords’ “lack of security”), I reported that too, long before Hoft got around to it.

Hoft knows he’s blatantly lying; he was just throwing out some more red meat to his equally dumb readers, and they respond in his comments with a predictable torrent of abuse and insults toward me, which has seriously hurt my feelings. (Now I must weep bitter tears.)

This is Jim Hoft’s modus operandi (look it up, Jim). When I pointed out last January that he used an anti-gay, antisemitic Bulgarian conspiracy site as a news source, Hoft responded by accusing me of “supporting child porn in schools.” That’s how Hoft rolls, and the right wing blogosphere rolls right along with him.

I notice that Hoft is no longer writing for the right wing Catholic site First Things. Did he finally get to be too insane even for them?

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153 comments

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:47:22am

I am retracting this comment.

Political Atheist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:52:32am

Dude sure knows how to stretch and over reach huh? Airhead logic.

Obdicut Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:52:58am

It's good that this guy was arrested for making violent threats. I'm glad that he was. I hope that it's 'just' PTSD and that he can be treated for it, and that he doesn't do anything stupid.

He still didn't deserve to get shot a couple of times by a crazed gunman. People should rather keep that in mind when hating on him.

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 8:55:29am

How insulting to call a victim of this shooting a "freak" and a "crackpot" when he merely disagrees with him politically. So who is politicizing this discussion now?

Surabaya Stew Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:02:28am

Eric Fuller is Jim Hoft's magical balance fairy godmother that will protect him from being wrong for always and always.

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:02:49am

So the moral of the story is that violent rhetoric is only bad when coming from freaks and crackpots on the Left?

I'm not defending Fuller for his outburst. He was wrong and deserved to be taken away, but I also will not judge a person who was shot at this event for his anger. I think that situation is wholly different from any politician, Dem or Rep, who engages in violent rhetoric.

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:04:19am

To the right wing, Eric Fuller verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as opening fire with a 30-round magazine and committing mass murder. No difference.

researchok Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:05:00am

CJ also made clear Fuller's behavior was absolutely unacceptable in a comment (for all the world to see) last night.

Selective vision, Mr Hoft?

allegro Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:10:41am

Has there been anything from the shooter's family yet? Last I heard they were boarded in and the FBI was trying to get in to talk to them.

PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:10:46am

re: #8 researchok
Selective vision? It looks like that to me, and quite a few others.

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:11:40am

re: #9 allegro

Has there been anything from the shooter's family yet? Last I heard they were boarded in and the FBI was trying to get in to talk to them.

Yes, they put out a statement that they were horrified and expressed grief for the families.

Kronocide Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:12:29am

Hoft is dumb but not that dumb. He knows he's lying. He also knows his readers are exceptionally dumb partisans who will not fact check or look at what he writes with any pragmatism. It's a matter of throwing shit at the side of a barn knowing that some of it will stick.

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:14:49am

re: #9 allegro

Has there been anything from the shooter's family yet? Last I heard they were boarded in and the FBI was trying to get in to talk to them.

Not much other than that statement. On This Week this morning, the neighbor across the street spoke and said Loughner's demeanor seemed to change in the last few years, which would actually coincide with the onset of mental illness if, indeed, he's a schizophrenic.

I'm hoping the media doesn't harass his parents. I can't begin to imagine what they're going through now.

elizajane Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:16:08am

We need to stop paying so much attention to Hoft's ravings. It just feeds his delusion that he matters.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:16:33am

re: #12 BigPapa

From a site on bullying behaviors; this one seems to fit:

the serial bully seems to live in a bubble of the present and when challenged will spontaneously make things up; the bully genuinely seems to believe the fabrication; from a psychiatric viewpoint this could be called confabulation; from a moral viewpoint, it's called lying.
[Link: www.bullyonline.org...]

nines09 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:17:05am

re: #6 marjoriemoon
Something like that. Fuller was shot, that will jack your perceptions around. The right screams that there was no linkage to the actions of a loon and the ball of hate being rolled about by the right. Maybe so, maybe not. So Fuller does what he should not have done and verbalizes his anger. Charles reports on the story and only the story. Dim Tim trips out and does what he does best. Ergo, it's all a setup, so says the echo chamber.
Simple Pretzel Logic from the Explain Any Stain Away Cadre.

allegro Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:17:56am

re: #13 marjoriemoon

Thanks. I don't want to see these people harassed either but it has made me wonder that I have seen no information from other family members, neighbors, etc. The media has got be hounding them. Are they just that loyal or is this family kinda off the grid?

laZardo Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:19:05am

re: #7 Charles

To the right wing, Eric Fuller verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as opening fire with a 30-round magazine and committing mass murder. No difference.

That's conservative thought patterns for you.

And with that, I'm headin' to bed before this kind of facepalming frustration keeps me up all night.

mr.fusion Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:19:18am

re: #7 Charles

To the right wing, Eric Fuller verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as opening fire with a 30-round magazine and committing mass murder. No difference.

I think that's a little harsh.

I'd say the think a random citizen verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as the leaders of the ideological movement placing crosshairs over certain districts with the names of their targets. They think it's exactly the same as a member of Congress claiming that the Obama Administration is a larger threat to America than Al Qada, or that the administration is trying to destroy America on purpose so they can usher in some type of tyrannical dictatorship.

The difference is, Eric Fuller doesn't speak for me or anyone else. Sarah Palin, Alan West, Virginia Foxx......these people speak for millions of Americans, and for an entire party.

Kronocide Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:20:45am

re: #15 jaunte

Nice find. That's a good assessment.

I can't believe the guy has any credibility with any other blogs.

[deleted] Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:21:16am

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:22:32am

re: #19 mr.fusion

Great -- if you find a right wing blog post making a (slightly more) reasonable point like that, please let me know. I haven't seen it.

Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:23:46am

re: #21 Jimeo

*yawn*

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:23:54am

Incoming.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:24:09am

That logic was so twisted it escaped into another dimension.

Kronocide Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:25:10am

I missed it, but I've probably seen it before.

Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:25:37am

re: #24 Charles

Incoming.

No danger....it was a dud

researchok Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:25:55am

re: #25 jaunte

That logic was so twisted it escaped into another dimension.

I don't believe that was twisted.

It was just wrong. Further, it isn't as simple as he would have you believe.

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:26:32am

That one went six years (!) without a comment.

researchok Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:27:18am

re: #29 Charles

That one went six years (!) without a comment.

Patience can be a virtue, they say.
//

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:28:40am

re: #29 Charles

Someone's burning off some old socks.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:30:50am

Now Ann Althouse want in on the action.
rudepundit tweets:

First we had Applausegate. Now get ready for Haircolorgate.
It's a like a race to stupid.

Kronocide Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:31:31am

re: #25 jaunte

That logic was so twisted it escaped into another dimension.

Was that socky a Hoftist? Seems to be a new ~~movement~~ cult.

AntonSirius Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:34:56am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Dude sure knows how to stretch and over reach huh? Airhead logic.

Sadly he's not alone. I got into it on another site with an equally dim bulb, who posted something about the Florida school board shooting saying that the actions of an armed citizens had "prevented a tragedy". I pointed out that it was still a tragedy that some poor guy had become so broken and beaten-down that he took violent action against other people and tried to commit suicide by cop.

The oh-so-predictable response? "Why do you want to ban guns?"

Sigh.

Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:35:12am

re: #31 jaunte

Someone's burning off some old socks.

They've probably got hundreds to spare. A few years ago Martinez claimed his posse of misfits had access to more than a thousand sock-puppet accounts registered at LGF. Silly me laughed off the boast, but now that claim seems to have some credibility.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:37:36am

re: #35 Reginald Perrin

That's just nuts. What a waste of time.

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:42:27am

re: #17 allegro

Thanks. I don't want to see these people harassed either but it has made me wonder that I have seen no information from other family members, neighbors, etc. The media has got be hounding them. Are they just that loyal or is this family kinda off the grid?

I'm getting the feeling the media is not hounding them. At least if they are, they seem to have the decency not to be sensationalizing it.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:43:40am

He's not retreating, he's reloading...

PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:46:24am

re: #38 ralphieboy
Let us hope not. If he is let us hope he is loading blanks.

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:46:43am

re: #35 Reginald Perrin

Doesn't matter. As soon as they surface they'll get banned and deleted and they know it. It takes one click for myself or the monitors to do it, so they're not even succeeding in being annoying.

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:46:54am

re: #19 mr.fusion

I think that's a little harsh.

I'd say the think a random citizen verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as the leaders of the ideological movement placing crosshairs over certain districts with the names of their targets. They think it's exactly the same as a member of Congress claiming that the Obama Administration is a larger threat to America than Al Qada, or that the administration is trying to destroy America on purpose so they can usher in some type of tyrannical dictatorship.

The difference is, Eric Fuller doesn't speak for me or anyone else. Sarah Palin, Alan West, Virginia Foxx...these people speak for millions of Americans, and for an entire party.

The difference, to me, is that Fuller was shot by this gunman and experienced that entire event that none of us have. I wouldn't have expected anyone else to shout out like that at the meeting and no one else did. In fact, it seemed to be the exact opposite, a chance for people to gather, speak of their concerns, even anger, in a very diplomatic and healing way.

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:48:57am

OT: Violence in Tunisia continues...
Gunfire exchanged near Tunisia central bank-state TV

TUNIS, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Tunisian security forces fought a gun battle with gunmen stationed on a rooftop near the central bank headquarters in the capital, state television reported on Sunday.

Military and police sources said security forces had killed the gunmen, the television station's reporter said from the scene of the clashes.

A military official interviewed on state television said two gunmen had been killed. He said they had been killed by fire directed at them from a helicopter.

The central bank is in the centre of Tunis, a block from the Interior Ministry headquarters.

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:50:18am

re: #32 jaunte

Now Ann Althouse want in on the action.
rudepundit tweets:

Did you watch it this morning? The fellow stood up and made a comment to the effect that we can't really tell who is weird (regarding Loughner's actions at the college). The audience started laughing.

I have a term to describe Althouse, but for the sake of this blog, I'll hold my tongue.

PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:51:24am

re: #43 marjoriemoon

As adults I am sure we can all guess ;)

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:52:56am

Subliminal commands are now officially out of hand:
[Luapnor]

prairiefire Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:53:20am

A failed Republican nominee to congress from last year is arrested in IN for making threats:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

What, me worry? Sun, Jan 16, 2011 9:54:58am

re: #46 prairiefire

A failed Republican nominee to congress from last year is arrested in IN for making threats:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

And who is going to defend her freedom of speech? What a sick, twisted woman.

researchok Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:01:26am

If there is a Chernobyl like event in Iran, blame the Jews

Russian nuclear officials have warned of another Chernobyl-style nuclear disaster at Iran's controversial Bushehr reactor because of the damage caused by the Stuxnet virus, according to the latest Western intelligence reports.

CuriousLurker Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:09:14am

re: #35 Reginald Perrin

re: #40 Charles

Does this little fantasy remind you guys of anyone? It's from Republican Gomorrah regarding Ralph Reed:

He described his methods as stealth and assassination. "I want to be invisible," he said in 1991. "I do guerilla warfare. I paint my face and travel at night. You don't know it's over until you're in a body bag."

When I read that part I couldn't help but LOL.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:15:41am

TPM has link about the incident

Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:16:19am

re: #36 jaunte

That's just nuts. What a waste of time.

It's not as if their time had any appreciable value, take their fearless leader Mark (Savage) Donato for example. He is an unlicensed, unemployed truck driver, living at his mother's house. Time to waste is unlimited.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:16:40am

re: #48 researchok

If there is a Chernobyl like event in Iran, blame the Jews

Ugh. That's a dangerous game of chicken they are playing.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:18:06am

re: #51 Reginald Perrin

I guess you're right. They did what they were capable of doing.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:18:07am

Good news. Overnight we warmed up into the 60's and this morning we're getting some rain which has inspired my frogs to start singing. They are still around and seem to be getting through the winter ok.

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:18:36am

Bionic Legs—1500 Years After the Wheelchair

More than 1500 years since the invention of the wheelchair, there is new hope that those paralyzed by everything from car accidents to sniper’s bullets can walk again.

The Israeli made “Rewalk” has just received F-D-A approval and soon will help wounded American soldiers get back on their feet. The device is a set of mechanical legs attached to a backpack battery system that allows a paralyzed patient to “walk” all day.

“I can't believe sometime I’d walk… I can't believe it. In dreams if I got to dream, I walked,” said Radi Kaiuf. A sniper’s bullet paralyzed him nearly 20 years ago. Then doctors told him he would never walk again. Now he’s walking around and even climbing stairs.

The developers had to strike a balance between the man and the machine – the machine has to move the man but the man has to control the machine. It uses a simple remote control worn like a wrist watch. When the user puts it in “walk” mode and leans forward, the legs start waking. When they lean back, it stops. Its taken nearly a decade to perfect the technology that Amit Goffer came up with in his garage and its much more than simply a business. “From the point of view of the disabled person it's self esteem, the dignity of the person. I mean sitting, being in a height of a child, a grown up in a height of a child is difficult."

Thank you Israel!

albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:19:25am

re: #29 Charles

That one went six years (!) without a comment.

ticks....they can hang there forever til they wake up and fall on some unaware passerby

sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:20:26am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Good news. Overnight we warmed up into the 60's and this morning we're getting some rain which has inspired my frogs to start singing. They are still around and seem to be getting through the winter ok.

Congrats

You must be a great teacher

After all these years, the best I can do is get my humming birds, to, well,, HUM!!!

researchok Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:22:12am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Ugh. That's a dangerous game of chicken they are playing.

It is a game they will lose.

Further, the irony of blaming their stated target for their own possible catastrophic failure defies all logic.

There are some kinds of dysfunction and crazy that cannot be fixed.

Kronocide Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:22:17am

re: #51 Reginald Perrin

He is an unlicensed, unemployed truck driver, living at his mother's house. Time to waste is unlimited.

MA! THE MEATLOAF!

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:22:35am

re: #57 sattv4u2

Congrats

You must be a great teacher

After all these years, the best I can do is get my humming birds, to, well,, HUM!!!

Here's one of those frogs singing beautifully...

Youtube Video

PhillyPretzel Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:23:09am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

This is wonderful news. Amazing how all this happens in garages.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:23:59am

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

Here's one of those frogs singing beautifully...

[Video]

Thats really old

I'm sure by now he has (wait for it,, you know it's coming)
CROAKED !

albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:24:30am

re: #58 researchok

It is a game they will lose.

Further, the irony of blaming their stated target for their own possible catastrophic failure defies all logic.

There are some kinds of dysfunction and crazy that cannot be fixed.

why not?...blame it on the worm

Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:26:56am

re: #53 jaunte

re: #49 CuriousLurker

They wouldn't be worth a second glance if it wasn't for the fact that they were working with Eric Odom, one of the founders of the Tea Party movement.

otoc Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:27:16am

re: #7 Charles

To the right wing, Eric Fuller verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as opening fire with a 30-round magazine and committing mass murder. No difference.

Emotional rationality never equals logical discussions, which is what attracted me to your site after you gave rational reasons some time back for seeing where the extreme right hijacked conservative reasoning. It's only gotten worse it seems.

Keep it up, Charles, and remember there are people who understand the reasoning behind your words and focus points. I don't think this radical shift from ignorance towards stupidity will leave soon. They seem to thrive not on being enlightened by actual thought, but by solace gathered from like minded group support. Mobs can bring a warm and fuzzy feeling to those having no tool other than a keyboard attached to a brain stem.

albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:27:37am

re: #51 Reginald Perrin

It's not as if their time had any appreciable value, take their fearless leader Mark (Savage) Donato for example. He is an unlicensed, unemployed truck driver, living at his mother's house. Time to waste is unlimited.

common knowledge around here for at least a couple of years

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:28:22am

I see LGF made Fark last night

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:29:52am

Charles, just one correction - that was a Bulgarian antisemitic conspiracy site.

reine.de.tout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:33:31am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

Good news. Overnight we warmed up into the 60's and this morning we're getting some rain which has inspired my frogs to start singing. They are still around and seem to be getting through the winter ok.

Glad to hear your froggies are doing well.

JDRhoades Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:34:05am

re: #14 elizajane

Well, this is what I wonder about. If it weren't for the liberal blogosphere (and LGF) , I'd have no idea who Jim Hoft is, and nor, I suspect would anyone else, apart from a miniscule and ever-shrinking handful of blog readers. So why keep giving this guy free publicity?

All that said, Hoft is a perfect example of what happens when you look at every fact, event, blog post, or tweet and instead of asking 'What does this mean?" Asking "how can I spin this to make liberals/conservatives/whatever look evil?"

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:34:19am

Spain indicts Demjanjuk for crimes against humanity

The Supreme Court of Spain has indicted accused Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk on charges of accessory to genocide and crimes against humanity.

The court on Jan. 14 requested an international arrest warrant for Demjanjuk, accused of being a Nazi concentration camp guard. The court issued the ruling a week earlier but did not make it public until Jan. 14.

Demjanjuk is accused of being responsible for the deaths of 50 of 155 Spanish prisoners in the German concentration camp Flossenburg.

He is being charged in Spain under the country's legal doctrine of universal jurisdiction, which allows it to try human rights crimes even if they did not take place on Spanish soil.

Demjanjuk, 90, a former Ohio autoworker, is currently being tried in Germany on charges of accessory to the murder of 27,900 Jews in the Sobibor death camp in 1943.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:35:25am

re: #69 reine.de.tout

Glad to hear your froggies are ~~doing well~~ delicious!.

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD!!

NJDhockeyfan Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:36:27am

Battle Of The Bulge Vets Remember

In Manhattan veterans and their families gathered to remember the sacrifices made to save us from a world of Nazi tyranny.
The Northeast Kansas Chapter of the Veternans of the Battle of the Bulge met at the American Legion Saturday. They brought items they collected from the war and displayed them for family members and guests to see. Robert Shaeffer was 14 years old living in occupied Luxembourg, and says we take for granted what these veterans have done for us. Robert Shaeffer/Honorary General Consul says, "There's just too much going around. There's television, there is football, there is basketball, there is this and there is that....but there is also, the people who died for them."

Twenty three battle of the bulge veterans where present Saturday, and Senator Jerry Moran was on hand to thank them. He pledged to have Washington take care of our country the way veterans have.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:37:29am

Pic of the day: A dog takes its loyalty to the grave in Brazil

A dog, "Leao", sits for a second consecutive day, next to the grave of her owner, Cristina Maria Cesario Santana, who died in the week's catastrophic landslides in Brazil, at the cemetery in Teresopolis, near Rio de Janiero, on Jan. 15. Brazilians braced for more rain Saturday, fearing further landslides after walls of muddy water tore through towns and claimed some 550 lives in the country's worst flood disaster on record.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:39:58am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Thanks. Now? I'm misty eyed. That is sooo sad.

Terrible situation. Just terrible.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:40:04am

re: #70 JDRhoades

Hoft is frequently linked by Glenn Reynolds, PJ Media, and other conservative blogs.
LGF isn't the real reason he's getting publicity, and it's reasonable that someone point out that a lot of his stories don't hold water.

researchok Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:40:25am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

Pic of the day: A dog takes its loyalty to the grave in Brazil

A most moving eulogy.

JDRhoades Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:42:37am

re: #76 jaunte

Yeah, you're right.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:43:12am

re: #74 Killgore Trout

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. Now? I'm misty eyed. That is sooo sad.

Terrible situation. Just terrible.

I know the feeling
There was a very old couple that lived near us when we 1st moved to Georgia. The husband passed away within a year of us meeting them and the wife couldn't take care of their dog. We took the dog in and whenever we would drive/ walk near their house the dog would whimper. even the times we stopped in to check on the lady the dog would just lay at the door obviously sad

albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:44:17am

re: #76 jaunte

Hoft is frequently linked by Glenn Reynolds, PJ Media, and other conservative blogs.
LGF isn't the real reason he's getting publicity, and it's reasonable that someone point out that a lot of his stories don't hold water.

I thought he was around for comedy effect. no?....he's one of the funner nit wits that attack Charles

sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:44:27am

Bears 14

Seahawks 0

albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:44:52am

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks. Now? I'm misty eyed. That is sooo sad.

Terrible situation. Just terrible.

I can't even look

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:44:57am

re: #76 jaunte

Hoft is frequently linked by Glenn Reynolds, PJ Media, and other conservative blogs.
LGF isn't the real reason he's getting publicity, and it's reasonable that someone point out that a lot of his stories don't hold water.

It's even worse than that -- quite a few of Hoft's absurd and hateful blog posts have been picked up by Fox News and other right wing media.

jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:45:42am

re: #80 albusteve

True, but some of his dopiness percolates up through Drudge, Instapundit and WND into news media that more people take seriously.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:48:29am

re: #7 Charles

To the right wing, Eric Fuller verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as opening fire with a 30-round magazine and committing mass murder. No difference.

Also, Loughner is a left-wing pothead, apparently. I see Mr. Hoft is not going with the 'unclassifiable crazy' concept.

JeffM70 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:49:32am

I see he also couldn't resist getting in the left-wing comment. I can't fathom how anyone could be so stunningly dishonest. I can't fathom how anyone employs this guy.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:50:57am

re: #86 JeffM70

I see he also couldn't resist getting in the left-wing comment. I can't fathom how anyone could be so stunningly dishonest. I can't fathom how anyone employs this guy.

People enjoy having their preconceived notions affirmed, and that is his specialty.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:51:31am

re: #19 mr.fusion

I think that's a little harsh.

I'd say the think a random citizen verbally threatening that Tea Party leader is exactly the same as the leaders of the ideological movement placing crosshairs over certain districts with the names of their targets. They think it's exactly the same as a member of Congress claiming that the Obama Administration is a larger threat to America than Al Qada, or that the administration is trying to destroy America on purpose so they can usher in some type of tyrannical dictatorship.

The difference is, Eric Fuller doesn't speak for me or anyone else. Sarah Palin, Alan West, Virginia Foxx...these people speak for millions of Americans, and for an entire party.

That's the key issue here, that people have been trying to dodge. There are right- and left-wing crazies on every corner. The issue is the rhetoric of crazy people coming from folks with a platform, an audience, and access to money and power.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:52:21am

re: #79 sattv4u2

Oh, seen those commercials with abused pets with Sarah McLaughlin singing "Angel" in the background?

I have to turn the channel or leave the room.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:52:22am

re: #32 jaunte

Now Ann Althouse want in on the action.
rudepundit tweets:

Haircolorgate?

What now?

Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:53:06am

re: #14 elizajane

We need to stop paying so much attention to Hoft's ravings. It just feeds his delusion that he matters.

I respectfully disagree, sunlight is an effective disinfectant.

Obdicut Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:53:10am

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

The funny part to me is those who are saying, "He's just crazy, look at his insane conspiracy theories, he should have been given help based on those."

Beck, Bachmann, Angle, etc. have all espoused equally insane conspiracy theories. They haven't espoused them in as crazy and incoherent a fashion, but the theories themselves are just as nuts.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:54:25am

re: #46 prairiefire

A failed Republican nominee to congress from last year is arrested in IN for making threats:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Oh, for God's sake.

albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:55:11am

re: #91 Reginald Perrin

I respectfully disagree, sunlight is an effective disinfectant.

hasn't worked so far...in fact you can't stop these types no matter how much truth you throw at them, it won't stick

sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:55:23am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, seen those commercials with abused pets with Sarah McLaughlin singing "Angel" in the background?

I have to turn the channel or leave the room.

Having taken in at least a dozen dogs as "foster parents" in the last 11 years until they are adopted out (and having adopted two of them who are sitting with me now) I can't watch that commercial without (again) reaching for the checkbook

Charles Johnson Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:55:57am

Does anyone know if Jim Hoft ever made a statement about leaving First Things? I couldn't find anything.

I'm beginning to suspect he was fired.

Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:57:09am

re: #89 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How Animals Made Us Human

Who among us is invulnerable to the puppy in the pet store window? Not everyone is a dog person, of course; some people are cat people or horse people or parakeet people or albino ferret people. But human beings are a distinctly pet-loving bunch. In no other species do adults regularly and knowingly rear the young of other species and support them into old age; in our species it is commonplace. In almost every human culture, people own pets. In the United States, there are more households with pets than with children.

On the face of it, this doesn’t make sense: Pets take up resources that we would otherwise spend on ourselves or our own progeny. Some pets, it’s true, do work for their owners, or are eventually eaten by them, but many simply live with us, eating the food we give them, interrupting our sleep, dictating our schedules, occasionally soiling the carpet, and giving nothing in return but companionship and often desultory affection.

What explains this yen to have animals in our lives?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:58:46am

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

How Animals Made Us Human

Now that's an interesting theory.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 10:59:52am

Warning to anyone thinking of checking out Pam Geller's site this morning: It's another day of blood and gore dead baby pictures.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:00:21am

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

Look at it this way, humans have been living in close proximity to animals for thousands of years, it is only in the recent industrial age that it became possible to get by without a chicken, goat, pig or cow in the yard to ensure a fresh supply of eggs, meat and milk.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:00:29am

re: #94 albusteve

Do you realize that you are implying that CJ is wasting his time exposing this nonsense?
Your concern has once again been duly noted.

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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:00:58am

re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist

Geez. Either you read really fast, or I read really, really slow.

Probably a little of both.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:02:46am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Warning to anyone thinking of checking out Pam Geller's site this morning: It's another day of blood and gore dead baby pictures.

I don't think about checking out her (or any other whacko) site ANY morning/ noon/ night

WHY??

I have
A) a life
B) a conscience
C) no interest (I don't stop and look at car wrecks either!)
D) a healthy respect for my blood pressure!

ANSWER

ALL OF THE ABOVE!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:03:23am

re: #102 Slumbering Behemoth

Geez. Either you read really fast, or I read really, really slow.

Probably a little of both.

Scanning, putting aside for later chewing on.

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jaunte Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:04:11am

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Haircolorgate?

What now?

Althouse, reading a political message in hair color:

And what's the first thing you notice — the difference between today and the speech he gave at the memorial? Right. Different color hair. Gray for the memorial, signifying the wise elder, the father figure. Back to dark hair to signify the vigorous young man, ready to forge ahead, solving problems, and restoring his party's electoral fortunes.

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albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:04:14am

re: #101 Reginald Perrin

Do you realize that you are implying that CJ is wasting his time exposing this nonsense?
Your concern has once again been duly noted.

making a statement of fact...everybody here loves the exposure, but the long term effect is questionable....that's rather obvious, or do you expect Hoft to fall off the radar anytime soon?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:04:49am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

See why I don't go to other sites?

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:06:49am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Warning to anyone thinking of checking out Pam Geller's site this morning: It's another day of blood and gore dead baby pictures.

I just did. She says there's a new imam at Park51. Any info on the guy? She already claims there's dirt.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:08:29am

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See why I don't go to other sites?

yeah,,, right

it's just a coincidence that your exact screename is registered at every cake site, huh!

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albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:09:22am

re: #107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See why I don't go to other sites?

there is actually a deadbabies.com....yikes!

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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:09:50am

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

I just did. She says there's a new imam at Park51. Any info on the guy? She already claims there's dirt.

I don't bother checking anymore. Her claims aren't even worth looking into.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:09:54am

re: #109 sattv4u2

I am on a diet.

I turned down cake on Friday night. Homemade too.

I am still thinking about it.

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albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:10:36am

re: #109 sattv4u2

yeah,,, right

it's just a coincidence that your exact screename is registered at every cake site, huh!

why is the NFC game on so early?....do you know?, I missed the first quarter

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Dom Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:10:54am

In his latest post Hoft has also broken that promise.

He doesn't point out that the man he is proclaiming to be a "leftist hero" for making a death threat or something very close to it, was a victim of last week's shootings. You would think it is fairly obvious that no outlet, including LGF, would want to be characterising him as Hoft does, some loon that needs sidelining. But Hoft does close by saying Fuller's family were "too upset" to speak to him about "the attack" - it is not clear if by that he means the shooting or the verbal outburst, but it is clear he is a shallow, heartless bastard.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:11:24am

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

I just did. She says there's a new imam at Park51. Any info on the guy? She already claims there's dirt.

There isn't even Park 51 at Park 51.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:11:55am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I don't bother checking anymore. Her claims aren't even worth looking into.

If there's anything to it, someone else will report on it. But Pam's crazy.

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CuriousLurker Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:14:02am

re: #96 Charles

Does anyone know if Jim Hoft ever made a statement about leaving First Things? I couldn't find anything.

I'm beginning to suspect he was fired.

I don't know about any statements, but on Wikipedia he appears to have been removed form the list of First Things contributors on 23-Nov-2010, so I'd search for clues around that date.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:14:22am

re: #113 albusteve

why is the NFC game on so early?...do you know?, I missed the first quarter

Contracts signed prior to the start of the year had FOX doing the NFC Sunday game (no matter where it was to be played) and CBS doing the AFC one later, again no matter where it was to be played (remember,,the AFC game COULD have been a West Coast team at home if, say, a San Diego ended up with the best record in the AFC)

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otoc Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:15:43am

re: #96 Charles

Does anyone know if Jim Hoft ever made a statement about leaving First Things? I couldn't find anything.

I'm beginning to suspect he was fired.

Jim Hoft needs more attention

Joe Carter October 26, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Mr. Brown,

First, FT is not a “Catholic outlet.” The magazine and website are interreligious. (I myself am an evangelical.)

Second, Jim Hoft’s blog is leaving FT and will soon (possibly next week) be hosted somewhere else.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:19:19am

re: #112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am on a diet.

I turned down cake on Friday night. Homemade too.

I am still thinking about it.

In other news, the Temperature in HELL today was a crisp 32 degrees F

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Killgore Trout Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:23:52am

re: #114 Dom

In his latest post Hoft has also broken that promise.

He doesn't point out that the man he is proclaiming to be a "leftist hero" for making a death threat or something very close to it, was a victim of last week's shootings. You would think it is fairly obvious that no outlet, including LGF, would want to be characterising him as Hoft does, some loon that needs sidelining. But Hoft does close by saying Fuller's family were "too upset" to speak to him about "the attack" - it is not clear if by that he means the shooting or the verbal outburst, but it is clear he is a shallow, heartless bastard.

From Hoft's post....

Unbelievable.
The Blaze has video of Trent Humphries at the debate but it does not include the outburst by Fuller that disrupted the event.

My understanding is that the incident wasn't caught on camera. ABC isn't hiding it and nobody else has video of it either. It's not a cover up.

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CuriousLurker Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:24:43am

re: #108 Sergey Romanov

I just did. She says there's a new imam at Park51. Any info on the guy? She already claims there's dirt.

I got a version of this press release via email on Friday 1/14. It says a new imam joined as a Senior Advisor, and that other NY imams will be appointed to help:

New Imam Joins Park51
Islamic Community Center
Launches New Website

New York, NY January 14, 2011: Park51, the Islamic Community Center in Lower Manhattan, announced three major developments today.

Park51 announced the appointment of its first Senior Advisor, Imam Abdallah Adhami, a well-respected Muslim-American leader who for nearly 20 years has dedicated his unmatched doctoral credentials in the Islamic tradition to the service of Muslim and multi-denominational communities here at home and abroad. Imam Adhami also holds a degree in architecture from Pratt Institute in Brooklyn and has seven years of corporate experience in organizational development, art direction and executive training. He was born in Washington, DC and has been serving the Lower Manhattan Community since 1990.

“This is an extraordinary opportunity to be a key advisor on a project going forward that has enormous creative and healing potential for the collective good in New York City and in our nation,” stated Imam Adhami.

Imam Adhami will join Imam Feisal and other New York Imams soon to be appointed, who will help Park51 create a robust and dynamic religious and interfaith component.

[...]

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:27:11am

re: #122 CuriousLurker

Also:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

*Long-simmering tensions between co-founders of the proposed Islamic center and mosque near ground zero led to a parting of the ways on Friday that sharply reduced the role of one: the imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, long the project’s public face.*

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:29:39am

re: #123 Sergey Romanov

Long-simmering tensions between co-founders

Any idea about what?

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:31:01am

re: #124 sattv4u2

Long-simmering tensions between co-founders

Any idea about what?

Where to install the flight simulators?

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CuriousLurker Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:31:11am

re: #123 Sergey Romanov

Also:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

*Long-simmering tensions between co-founders of the proposed Islamic center and mosque near ground zero led to a parting of the ways on Friday that sharply reduced the role of one: the imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, long the project’s public face.*

Hmm, interesting. I wonder what that will mean for the center.

LOL, I see the Harpy doesn't like it regardless:

Pamela Geller, a blogger who marshaled much of the opposition to what she termed “the ground zero victory mosque,” said the pushing aside of Mr. Abdul Rauf would not change much.

“It doesn’t matter whose face is out front,” she said. “We’re still against it.”

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:31:18am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

From Hoft's post...

My understanding is that the incident wasn't caught on camera. ABC isn't hiding it and nobody else has video of it either. It's not a cover up.

From the account someone posted yesterday, it also sounds as though it didn't 'disrupt'. Fuller muttered 'you're dead', and one of the security people responded and escorted him out. It's not clear to me if Humphries heard him, or if most people at the event would have realized what happened.

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otoc Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:31:59am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

From Hoft's post...

My understanding is that the incident wasn't caught on camera. ABC isn't hiding it and nobody else has video of it either. It's not a cover up.

I watched the show. Links here
re: #921 otoc

Obviously there's no conspiracy here. Is that what Hoft is saying? What ever happened occurred when cameras were focused on other things.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:32:35am

re: #124 sattv4u2

Long-simmering tensions between co-founders

Any idea about what?

I don't know, but long-term projects like this, especially in religious communities, can be absolute hell. Tensions abound.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:33:30am

re: #125 ralphieboy

Where to install the flight simulators?

/

heh

Spending extra money for BOSE Speakers for the Call To Prayers so all five burroughs can hear them! !!

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sattv4u2 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:34:14am

bbl

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:34:26am

re: #130 sattv4u2

heh

Spending extra money for BOSE Speakers for the Call To Prayers so all five burroughs can hear them! !!

//

And whether to go for deep pile shag for the prayer rugs or not...

///

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CuriousLurker Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:35:25am

re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but long-term projects like this, especially in religious communities, can be absolute hell. Tensions abound.

True that. I imagine there are generational differences too. I'll have to put out some feelers to friends in the NYC community and see if any info comes back.

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albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:40:56am

re: #118 sattv4u2

Contracts signed prior to the start of the year had FOX doing the NFC Sunday game (no matter where it was to be played) and CBS doing the AFC one later, again no matter where it was to be played (remember,,the AFC game COULD have been a West Coast team at home if, say, a San Diego ended up with the best record in the AFC)

makes a 10am kickoff for me...not complaining but that's as early I've known

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albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:42:38am

re: #122 CuriousLurker

I got a version of this press release via email on Friday 1/14. It says a new imam joined as a Senior Advisor, and that other NY imams will be appointed to help:

wonder what her reaction would be if the new imam were a handsome, white American?

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:43:21am

So did Jim Hoft drop out of clown college or what

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albusteve Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:43:37am

re: #124 sattv4u2

Long-simmering tensions between co-founders

Any idea about what?

are they gonna throw lead?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:49:02am

re: #135 albusteve

wonder what her reaction would be if the new imam were a handsome, white American?

Worse.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:54:02am

WISH YOU WERE HERE, GUYS [Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Balloon Juice found our little event :D

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CuriousLurker Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:03:02pm

re: #135 albusteve

wonder what her reaction would be if the new imam were a handsome, white American?

What SFZ said.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:03:52pm

re: #139 WindUpBird

I assume they are going out afterwards for furburgers...

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:06:52pm

re: #141 ralphieboy

I assume they are going out afterwards for furburgers...

all I know is last night was a blur of booze and laser prisms and dubstep and bird costumes and it was awesome :D

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ClaudeMonet Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:11:27pm

re: #46 prairiefire

A failed Republican nominee to congress from last year is arrested in IN for making threats:[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

It should be noted that she was not the Republican nominee. In fact, according to the article, she got only 3% of the vote in the primary.

I guess some people are too nuts even for the rank-and-file Republicans.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:31:00pm

re: #143 ClaudeMonet

But she fully grasps the basic Tea Party principle of applying "Second Amendment solutions" when things do not go her way in the courts or in the electoral process...

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ErikJ76 Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:43:58pm

"Russian nuclear officials have warned of another Chernobyl-style nuclear disaster at Iran's controversial Bushehr reactor because of the damage caused by the Stuxnet virus, according to the latest Western intelligence reports."

Depending on how operational the reactor is, inserting a computer virus into its control systems might be a very bad idea. If I was living in Kuwait, I would be rather worried.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jan 16, 2011 12:44:49pm

re: #143 ClaudeMonet

It should be noted that she was not the Republican nominee. In fact, according to the article, she got only 3% of the vote in the primary.

I guess some people are too nuts even for the rank-and-file Republicans.

There is definitely a pattern of voter common sense holding back some of the real nutters we have seen of late. Some crazies didn't get their nominations, others got squished in the general election.

This is nice from my perspective since it lessened the impact of the Republican land grab at the midterms, but it's also nice from an American sense--it indicates that for all this fussing about how gosh-darn MAD they are, the American public still won't vote in large numbers for someone who is evidently mad as a hatter.

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prairiefire Sun, Jan 16, 2011 1:19:21pm

re: #139 WindUpBird

WISH YOU WERE HERE, GUYS [Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Balloon Juice found our little event :D

The blogger is Angry Black Lady Chronicles. She is awesome!

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Gus Sun, Jan 16, 2011 2:14:14pm

Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe the direction the wingnuts have taken on Hoft's lead. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel using conspiracy theories that don't even have one ounce based on reality and are instead fabricated on outright lies and/or ignorance.

And if Fuller was such a hero here (according to the wingnuts) then why would Charles have posted the recent news of his arrest for having threatened a Tea Party member. In fact, Charles was one of the first to put this news up in the blogosphere.

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Dom Sun, Jan 16, 2011 4:42:38pm

In a Palin moment par excellence Jim Hoft's latest post is titled "Thanks Barack… Wikileaks Documents Linked to Tunisian Turmoil."

Officials are blaming the turmoil in Tunisia on revelations from the leaked Wikileaks documents.
Of course, the Obama Administration did nothing to prevent the greatest mass leak of security documents in US history.

Perhaps there are not enough respectable Republican pundits, who would never stoop so low as Jim Hoft, to sideline this nonsense. I know Hoft will write them off as Muslim communists but it would be healthy to see them assert themselves.

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Mich-again Sun, Jan 16, 2011 4:45:45pm

Being a wingnut blogger is like working on a midway at the "Fool the Guesser" booth trying to leer customers away from the "Throw a dime in the wine glass" booth and the "throw the dart at the baloon" booth. You gotta do a lot of yelling to get anyone's attention.

The guy is clearly a sub-genius. His scorn is a compliment.

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changomo Sun, Jan 16, 2011 11:53:53pm

I'm not fan of Hoft, but as I said earlier...this terrible tragedy is an egg on the face of liberals that were all to quick to jump on the "Palin/Beck/Rush (or fill in the blank of whatever idiot blow hard) 'made' the shooter do it.

Hoft and some rightwing blogs are unfortunately falling for the same idiocy by painting the shooter as a "left" wing guy...

He is clearly neither if anybody would spend a little time reading the shooter's own words/videos. In fact, I think after reading everything I could on him (including watching his videos) it's clear to me he's just plain old INSANE. His views do not neatly put in on the left or right. When was the last time you met an atheist guy that liked Hitler, Ayn Rand, Communism, pro-life, believed in 2012 Armageddon, etc...

But, as I stated earlier - LGF did fall in that trap to my great disappointment...

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otoc Mon, Jan 17, 2011 8:32:46am

re: #151 changomo

I'm not fan of Hoft, but as I said earlier...this terrible tragedy is an egg on the face of liberals that were all to quick to jump on the "Palin/Beck/Rush (or fill in the blank of whatever idiot blow hard) 'made' the shooter do it.

Hoft and some rightwing blogs are unfortunately falling for the same idiocy by painting the shooter as a "left" wing guy...

He is clearly neither if anybody would spend a little time reading the shooter's own words/videos. In fact, I think after reading everything I could on him (including watching his videos) it's clear to me he's just plain old INSANE. His views do not neatly put in on the left or right. When was the last time you met an atheist guy that liked Hitler, Ayn Rand, Communism, pro-life, believed in 2012 Armageddon, etc...

But, as I stated earlier - LGF did fall in that trap to my great disappointment...

You make some valid points but I can't help but ask if you feel both the left and the right jumped to conclusions, why is the egg only on the face of the left?

As to Loughner, the facts are still coming in, with documents under cover until they will be presented in court. I fear now that the lawyers have gotten involved with their duty to argue possibilities, pro and con for a jury to decide, it will be harder to assess the situation without a harsh filter of "unbias".

To me, and this is only an opinion based on what I've seen so far, Loughner obviously had some rather extreme mental health problems that caused a different method of information processing. I agree reading Ayn Rand as well as Hitler indicates things "do not neatly" place him in the left or the right, but to your point, an insane person reads different elements than a person we might consider sane.

For example, based on his preoccupation with the concept of people not understanding what is going on around them and his lack of respect for the current government, Hitler falls easily into an example of a nation that followed a leader down a path of destruction.

But we don't know as yet, for the only source of information has been friends not having seen him for years and very superficial evidence from a mind that obviously had difficulty in explaining his point of view in terms we might easily understand.

I'm not ready to jump on board with your assessment in the sense that he wasn't influenced by outside thought in this electronic age. Nor would I think that being an atheist excludes him from extreme right thinking for religion can be also seen as a method of control. Let's see what happens.

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eastwald Mon, Jan 17, 2011 9:26:49am

Is this Hoft guy really sporting a bowl cut? I giggle a little every time I see his picture.

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