The Return of Baby Doc (or, Baby Doc is Arrested)

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One of the weirdest stories from Haiti last week was the return of Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier. The corrupt and brutal despot, who fled to France following a popular revolt 25 years ago, waltzed back into Haiti expecting a hero’s welcome.

But his crimes haven’t been forgotten, and today, in a long-delayed victory for justice, Baby Doc was arrested.

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1 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 9:51:17am

I'm hoping he miscalculated but I suspect he still has a plan.

2 Kragar  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 9:53:17am

re: #1 Killgore Trout

I'm hoping he miscalculated but I suspect he still has a plan.

He was just in town for the Tonton Macoute Reunion.

3 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 9:58:23am

Let's hope this sorry excuse for a human being is convicted and put behind bars for a long time.

4 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 9:59:41am

Arresting him was the easy part.

Having a fair trial and conviction will be an difficult (and important) chalenge for Haiti.

5 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 9:59:44am

Mwahahahaha.

Justice can be a thing of great beauty.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:05:20am

Isn't his surname 'Duvalier'?

7 darthstar  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:05:28am

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8 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:05:59am

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He was just in town for the Tonton Macoute Reunion.

I don't what to think about what the Tontons Macoute consider a good time out on the town with the boys.

9 BishopX  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:09:36am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

I think so....

10 BishopX  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:10:33am

re: #9 BishopX

And wikipedia confirms it.

11 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:10:41am

Sorry for going off topic so early, but this is so crazy, it couldn't wait.

New Alabama Governor: Only Christians Are My Brothers And Sisters

''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he said. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."

12 Big Steve  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:11:03am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

Isn't his surname 'Duvalier'?

especially since Chevalier means "knight" in French.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:11:29am

re: #10 BishopX

And wikipedia confirms it.

Yeah. Chevalier was the French singer.

14 [deleted]  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:12:43am
15 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:13:28am

re: #11 Reginald Perrin

Wow. What a douchenozzle (pardon the language). I think I should contact any Muslims (and others) in Alabama to start complaining to the government.

Those states down there give the US a bad name.

16 Alexzander  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:14:14am

I'm having an awful morning. I was offered a temp. job over the phone on Thursday and when I showed up this morning at 7:45 no one had me on a list. When I contacted HR back they told me that they decided to look for someone with more admin. experience, and forgot to call me back.... I've already completed adjusted my next two months for this job and cancelled my overnight volunteer shifts. Mother fuckers.

17 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:14:14am

re: #11 Reginald Perrin

Sorry for going off topic so early, but this is so crazy, it couldn't wait.

New Alabama Governor: Only Christians Are My Brothers And Sisters

I do not personally feel a need to be related to the governor of Alabama. Let's leave it at that.

18 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:14:40am

re: #15 ProLifeLiberal

Wow. What a douchenozzle (pardon the language). I think I should contact any Muslims (and others) in Alabama to start complaining to the government.

Those states down there give the US a bad name.

I will make sure to tell my son, he's a rabbi in Huntsville.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:14:53am

re: #14 MikeySDCA

Just long enough to build the gallows.

They'll have to use a crane like the Iranians. Or a streetlight. All the timber went to France long since.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:15:13am

re: #15 ProLifeLiberal

Wow. What a douchenozzle (pardon the language). I think I should contact any Muslims (and others) in Alabama to start complaining to the government.

Those states down there give the US a bad name.

There are Muslims in Alabama?

//

21 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:15:40am

re: #16 Alexzander

I'm having an awful morning. I was offered a temp. job over the phone on Thursday and when I showed up this morning at 7:45 no one had me on a list. When I contacted HR back they told me that they decided to look for someone with more admin. experience, and forgot to call me back... I've already completed adjusted my next two months for this job and cancelled my overnight volunteer shifts. Mother fuckers.

Assholes. Shows they aren't a worthwhile company to work for if they are that disorganized. I'll bet they go under in a year.

22 subsailor68  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:16:42am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Chevalier was the French singer.

Heh. There actually is a Jean Claude Chevalier. He's a French linguist and professor. He'd be a really irritating dictator - always walking around correcting people's grammar.

"When he was overthrown, Chevalier's last words on the gallows were - "it's 'hanged' dammit, not 'hung'." (In French of course.)

23 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:17:20am

re: #18 Alouette

Awesome. Let's hear this slimey excuse for a Governor try to wiggle his way outta this one.

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

If Muslims make up 1% of the population in Oklahoma (the reason why I say the Muslim population of the US is at least 1% of total and growing), there are probably a fair number in Alabama.

24 Alexzander  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:17:55am

re: #21 Surabaya Stew

Assholes. Shows they aren't a worthwhile company to work for if they are that disorganized. I'll bet they go under in a year.

Its actually a public university so the'll be around. I wish I had the job offer recorded because it just doesn't seem right. I'm so embarrased right now, I went out and bought new pants and my partner thinks I'm at my new job right now.

25 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:18:48am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah. Chevalier was the French singer.

The hotel I am sitting in right now, was at one time part of a musical hall, in Menilmontant, and Chevalier and most of the other famous chansonniers performed at this location. Looking at a large hand done sketch of him in the little bar here.

26 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:22:04am

re: #24 Alexzander

Its actually a public university so the'll be around. I wish I had the job offer recorded because it just doesn't seem right. I'm so embarrased right now, I went out and bought new pants and my partner thinks I'm at my new job right now.

Damn. I've had false calls for work before, but that was in my younger years when bills and rent (and signifigant others) wern't a big part of my life. Don't know what to advise, except voicing your frustration loud and clear. Or is filing a complaint with the administration an option?

27 leftynyc  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:24:53am

re: #24 Alexzander

Nothing for you to be embarassed about. You didn't do anything wrong. Call your partner and tell him/her. If they're worthy of you, I'm sure he/she will want to do something nice for you because you feel bad.

28 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:25:37am

re: #26 Surabaya Stew

Damn. I've had false calls for work before, but that was in my younger years when bills and rent (and signifigant others) wern't a big part of my life. Don't know what to advise, except voicing your frustration loud and clear. Or is filing a complaint with the administration an option?

Short of having something in writing, there is not much that can be done. Employment laws (at least in the US), generally favor the employer in cases like this, unless you have iron clad proof. And even then, they don't really owe anyone anything... they usually win.

29 younggringos  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:28:01am

How many Haitians are old enough to have a memory of rule under Papa or Baby doc? Hopefully their national memory is a bit longer than America's.

30 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:33:13am

re: #16 Alexzander

I'm having an awful morning. I was offered a temp. job over the phone on Thursday and when I showed up this morning at 7:45 no one had me on a list. When I contacted HR back they told me that they decided to look for someone with more admin. experience, and forgot to call me back... I've already completed adjusted my next two months for this job and cancelled my overnight volunteer shifts. Mother fuckers.

Whoa!

That is unconscionable thing for an employer to do.

Do you recall who you talked to over the phone?
I suggest a visit to the HR office - tell them you prepared for the job by adjusting your schedule for the next several months, cancelled your overnight volunteer shifts, bought new clothes - etc.

I don't know where you are but ask them, politely, if an offer of employment, even verbal, doesn't constitute a verbal contract for employment. Something doesn't smell right about this situation.

31 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:34:18am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Short of having something in writing, there is not much that can be done. Employment laws (at least in the US), generally favor the employer in cases like this, unless you have iron clad proof. And even then, they don't really owe anyone anything... they usually win.

Yeah, you're probally right. Proof is everything. Actually I know this first hand....

When I was applying for university back in 1993, some idiot from Cornell (a student as part of a initization into a group/frat) pranked some applicants to the architecture program (including me, I didn't get in) saying that they had been accepted and that their portfolio had been accepted into the students gallery! Which of course is highly unlikely and wrong on so many levels.

10 people called to complain. My parents were the only ones who got the message recorded. The student was expelled.

For once, justice was served!

32 Surabaya Stew  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:35:02am

And with that, I'm back to the grind! TTFN

33 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:35:19am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Short of having something in writing, there is not much that can be done. Employment laws (at least in the US), generally favor the employer in cases like this, unless you have iron clad proof. And even then, they don't really owe anyone anything... they usually win.

There is such a thing as a verbal contract.
And a verbal offer of employment, and his acceptance of it, might constitute such. Especially since he's gone and rearranged his life for this job, AND showed up as he promised he would.

Something's weird.

34 Lidane  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:37:26am

re: #29 younggringos

How many Haitians are old enough to have a memory of rule under Papa or Baby doc? Hopefully their national memory is a bit longer than America's.

Very few would remember Baby Doc. Haiti's a young country, with less than 4% of their population over 65, and the average age being 21 for both men and women:

[Link: www.cia.gov...]

Baby Doc was tossed out on his ass before a good portion of the current population of Haiti was even born. If he gets back into power, it will be a case of misplaced nostalgia and propaganda beating out common sense.

35 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:39:51am

re: #29 younggringos

How many Haitians are old enough to have a memory of rule under Papa or Baby doc? Hopefully their national memory is a bit longer than America's.

Memories have nothing to do with politics. Example... Just a little while ago I was watching a roundtable with reporters for a number of different Paris and French newspapers. They were talking about the rise or popularity of Marianne Le Pen and her National Front party.

I'm sitting there in my hotel room, watching this, and listening to some of the "positive" comments that some were making about her and her party.

I'm yelling at the screen... "It doesn't matter what she promises about jobs, wages, what to do with Muslims, health care, the price of this and that... she's a fucking FASCIST..." These folk over here are not that far removed from the bullshit of the last 75 years... yet here are ADULTS discussing the pro-cons of the National Front.

Sorry... unless I'm missing something, nothing from the National Front, or any other fascist is worth the price of what they want.

NOTHING.

36 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:42:40am

re: #33 reine.de.tout

There is such a thing as a verbal contract.
And a verbal offer of employment, and his acceptance of it, might constitute such. Especially since he's gone and rearranged his life for this job, AND showed up as he promised he would.

Something's weird.

I worked three years for two employment lawyers... this came up a number of times, even with me once, later, when I had moved on to other work, and went to them for advice... you rarely can win a verbal agreement complaint.

37 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:44:16am

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

you rarely can win a verbal agreement complaint.

Yep. Almost never, unless there were copious witnesses to the agreement.

38 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:49:39am

re: #37 Fozzie Bear

Yep. Almost never, unless there were copious witnesses to the agreement.

Yep... you put it more succinctly... and spot on.

Out of here... going to go have some supper... it's about 44 degrees (f) here, rainy and it feels like 25... bone chilling cold... but it's comfy in here at the hotel bar/cafe.

39 Alexzander  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:50:08am

Yeah I'm not intending to file any formal complaint, but they need to be much more careful about how they go about offering jobs.

I send an email this morning asking what happened (to which they replied that they gave it to someone else), and it was CC'd to the superior of the HR person who screwed me, so they are likely having a conversation about it. Thanks for all the upvotes, I feel better.

40 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:52:12am

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

Memories have nothing to do with politics. Example... Just a little while ago I was watching a roundtable with reporters for a number of different Paris and French newspapers. They were talking about the rise or popularity of Marianne Le Pen and her National Front party.

I'm sitting there in my hotel room, watching this, and listening to some of the "positive" comments that some were making about her and her party.

I'm yelling at the screen... "It doesn't matter what she promises about jobs, wages, what to do with Muslims, health care, the price of this and that... she's a fucking FASCIST..." These folk over here are not that far removed from the bullshit of the last 75 years... yet here are ADULTS discussing the pro-cons of the National Front.

Sorry... unless I'm missing something, nothing from the National Front, or any other fascist is worth the price of what they want.

NOTHING.

The French haven't had the kind of open discussion about fascism and their society that, say, the Germans have, at least from my very tangential view. I think it makes a difference.

41 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 10:53:11am

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

I worked three years for two employment lawyers... this came up a number of times, even with me once, later, when I had moved on to other work, and went to them for advice... you rarely can win a verbal agreement complaint.

You're probably correct. But I wouldn't file a complaint.

I would go into the HR office, and talk to the person who called me (and their boss), and politely but firmly raise holy hell (explain all the changes I've made in my life in anticipation of the job) in hopes someone will start to feel so badly about their monumental screw-up (and that is a monumental screw-up) that they make it right.

42 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 11:18:39am

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

nothing from the National Front, or any other fascist is worth the price of what they want.

NOTHING.

QFT.

43 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 12:28:54pm

re: #38 Walter L. Newton
Wow!
Your several thousand miles away and you sound like
your right next door!!

44 younggringos  Tue, Jan 18, 2011 5:49:15pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

I would agree with SanFranciscoZionist- it sounds like Germany has had that national conversation which has instilled the wariness- the national memory- of fascism. France maybe not so much.
I hope some memory of the horror under Baby Doc still survives in the young population of Haiti.


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