Investigator on MLK Parade Bomb: ‘The Worst Device I’ve Ever Seen’

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The Associated Press has a report from an unnamed official in the investigation into the bomb discovered on the route of a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade in Spokane, who says it was the most potentially destructive device he had ever seen — a sophisticated IED with a remote detonator.

“They haven’t seen anything like this in this country,” the official said. “This was the worst device, and most intentional device, I’ve ever seen.”

There have also been reports that the bomb was packed with shrapnel to maximize injuries, and placed on a concrete bench to direct the full force of the blast toward the parade marchers. This was an extremely serious attempt at mass murder, and we’re very lucky the backpack was spotted by city employees before the parade began.

The FBI is offering a $20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator(s).

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163 comments
1 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:07:27am

Amazing that this story hasn't gotten more attention considering the potentially devastating consequences of it detonating during the parade.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:07:52am

Here's to our law enforcement officials, and to the fact that nobody was hurt.

3 Kragar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:08:58am

Did they say why it didn't go off? I know they rerouted people away from it, but did it misfire or never get a detonation trigger?

4 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:10:02am

Is it wrong for me that I keep thinking if they catch this guy its gonna turn into an entire new ball of wax just like the Arizona Shooter?

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:10:15am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The parade hadn't started yet - so I assume it wasn't time to detonate it.

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:10:44am

You can't ignore the target.

7 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:09am

re: #1 lawhawk

Amazing that this story hasn't gotten more attention considering the potentially devastating consequences of it detonating during the parade.

I think it normally would be a bigger story but it's becoming the new normal on the heels of the mailbombs in Maryland and the shooting in AZ.

8 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:23am

"They haven't seen anything like this in this country," the official said.......excuse me.....Oklahoma City

9 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:11:42am

Gotta admit I don't know much about Spokane. Is there a larger than usual presence of skinheads there? Racist past of any kind?

10 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:12:05am

Odd that this isn't getting more press...I guess the media only cares if the target is something "important" like Times Square or, I suppose, if the bomb had gone off and killed a bunch of people, then it would be more newsworthy.

Then again, in trying to reduce the rhetoric about possible racism in this country (Wha? Racism here? NEVAH!!!), giving this story more attention would only make that denial harder to continue.

11 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:12:10am

re: #4 jamesfirecat

Is it wrong for me that I keep thinking if they catch this guy its gonna turn into an entire new ball of wax just like the Arizona Shooter?

That may be why the MSM is a little shy about covering this story too much.

12 BishopX  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:12:51am

re: #8 Big Steve

I think he's talking about the sophistication of the device. Not it's raw power.

13 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:13:41am

re: #10 darthstar

Odd that this isn't getting more press...I guess the media only cares if the target is something "important" like Times Square or, I suppose, if the bomb had gone off and killed a bunch of people, then it would be more newsworthy.

Then again, in trying to reduce the rhetoric about possible racism in this country (Wha? Racism here? NEVAH!!!), giving this story more attention would only make that denial harder to continue.

Its the same for all catastrophes that are diverted. If they had caught the 9/11 hijackers before they flew, it would have been a 31st page item.

14 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:13:46am

re: #6 Charles

You can't ignore the target.

You can if you're Fox News...actually, they are linking the story. Good for them. They even used the words "domestic terrorism" in their link:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

15 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:13:58am

Credit where credit is due to the Fox News organization for covering this story in great detail. O'Reily, Beck and Hannity are all over this story. Thank God they are doing their share to protect us from Islamic terrorism....

What?

Really?

Nevermind.

16 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:14:45am

re: #12 BishopX

I think he's talking about the sophistication of the device. Not it's raw power.

No....he was talking about its destructive power as well.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:15:35am

re: #14 darthstar

You can if you're Fox News...actually, they are linking the story. Good for them. They even used the words "domestic terrorism" in their link:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Here's one of the first comments that pops up....

talesin63 [Moderator] 31 minutes ago
This entire story and premise stinks.
If it was terrorists - whatever variety - they would have tried to detonate it. And they didn't.

As some have opined, this is more likely a government agency drumming up support for the next round of removing your liberties and freedoms as we become a police-state.

18 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:16:50am

re: #1 lawhawk

Amazing that this story hasn't gotten more attention considering the potentially devastating consequences of it detonating during the parade.

tough to break the AmIdol news cycle

19 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:01am

re: #16 Big Steve

No...he was talking about its destructive power as well.

Which is exactly why it should be a bigger news story. IEDs are here. So far, they haven't detonated, but they're here in the US and they're here to stay. It's only a matter of time before a few go off, and educating the public on how to be aware (not skeered stoopid and hiding at home, but aware) so they can point out such devices in the future will be the best way to prevent them from hurting more people than they otherwise would.

20 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:09am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Here's one of the first comments that pops up...

That's too stupid to even answer.

21 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:24am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

The mail bombs in MD have dropped off the radar, but this incident in Spokane is a whole different level of seriousness considering this report about the bomb's sophistication and construction.

22 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:29am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Here's one of the first comments that pops up...

That's the best they can come up with?

Why are these people incapable of grasping the idea that whoever set the bomb was waiting for the parade full of innocent people to go by?

I mean he could still make the same argument about ZOMMMGGGGOD BLACK HELICOPTERS ARE COMMINGG!!! without being so stupid about it... or am I wasting my time why paranoid people can't think logically?

23 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:35am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Invincible mindset.

24 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:43am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did they say why it didn't go off? I know they rerouted people away from it, but did it misfire or never get a detonation trigger?

Just a hunch, C-Guard has been marketed to bomb squads around the globe.

25 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:17:44am

re: #8 Big Steve

"They haven't seen anything like this in this country," the official said...excuse me...Oklahoma City

he said "like this"....

26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:18:03am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

I knew someone would say that. It has to be either the government or liberals trying to either take away liberties or frame god fearin' real 'murikans.

It'll be interesting to see who they catch (if they catch them) for doing this.

27 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:19:04am

re: #8 Big Steve

"They haven't seen anything like this in this country," the official said...excuse me...Oklahoma City

This was not a fertilizer bomb.

28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:20:17am

re: #19 darthstar

IED = pipe bombs or any other homemade/non-military bomb really.

29 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:20:24am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Here's one of the first comments that pops up...

translation: "The President's a negro!" The people commenting over at Fox won't be happy until other people are killed and they can blame the president for failing to protect them.

30 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:20:28am

re: #6 Charles

The FBI certainly isn't ignoring the target.

The head of the FBI office in the region, Frank Harrill, said the bomb was potentially deadly, and called the incident an act of domestic terrorism that was meant to advance a political or social agenda.

Harrill said agents have not yet determined a motive, but recognize that it could be linked to the federal holiday honoring King, an African-American who was assassinated in 1968.

31 Gus  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:20:29am

$20,000 reward is a little weak. It should be at least $50,000.

32 webevintage  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:20:31am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did they say why it didn't go off? I know they rerouted people away from it, but did it misfire or never get a detonation trigger?

Because it was found before the parade started and removed by the bomb squad.
Great job of citizens paying attention and law enforcement doing such a stellar job that no one even knew there had been a threat.
Which I bet really pissed off whichever neo-nazi white supremacist group that planted it.

The comments over on Gateway Pundit suck and so does he.....

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:20:57am

re: #8 Big Steve

"They haven't seen anything like this in this country," the official said...excuse me...Oklahoma City

Tech wise, we possibly haven't. It sounds a whole lot like what I've heard is currently popular in Iraq for IED construction.

34 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:21:56am

re: #31 Gus 802

$20,000 reward is a little weak. It should be at least $50,000.

it will be soon enough, I bet, maybe more

35 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:23:09am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Here's one of the first comments that pops up...

I don't know about you - but the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear about a terrorist incident is that it's probably the work of a "government agency."

And sure enough, Alex Jones has proven that my mindset is right. If a government agency can pull off planes flying into the WTC, they can surely cram some explosives into a backpack.

36 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:23:13am

re: #33 wlewisiii

Tech wise, we possibly haven't. It sounds a whole lot like what I've heard is currently popular in Iraq for IED construction.

there is no doubt in my mind that AQ is here, comfortably nestled in....master bombers

37 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:23:38am

re: #32 webevintage

Because it was found before the parade started and removed by the bomb squad.
Great job of citizens paying attention and law enforcement doing such a stellar job that no one even knew there had been a threat.
Which I bet really pissed off whichever neo-nazi white supremacist group that planted it.

The comments over on Gateway Pundit suck and so does he...

I'm sure there are fingerprints on that bomb that have been lifted and are being searched. All component parts will be sourced back to their distribution points and retail ends. Any purchases of said products will be researched, and if some idiot used an ATM card, his ass will be found. Forensic investigation is pretty cool shit, especially when they can get evidence like this before it detonates.

Of course, this is real life and not CSI, so don't expect any answers before the next commercial break.

38 Surabaya Stew  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:23:40am

re: #30 lawhawk

The head of the FBI office in the region, Frank Harrill, said the bomb was potentially deadly, and called the incident an act of domestic terrorism that was meant to advance a political or social agenda.
Harrill said agents have not yet determined a motive, but recognize that it could be linked to the federal holiday honoring King, an African-American who was assassinated in 1968.

Could having a Black President also be linked to a possible motive?

39 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:24:14am

re: #8 Big Steve

"They haven't seen anything like this in this country," the official said...excuse me...Oklahoma City

OK City was set off with a lit cannon fuse.

40 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:24:37am

re: #35 Talking Point Detective

I don't know about you - but the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear about a terrorist incident is that it's probably the work of a "government agency."

And sure enough, Alex Jones has proven that my mindset is right. If a government agency can pull off planes flying into the WTC, they can surely cram some explosives into a backpack.

First thing that pops into my mind is purple unicorns frolicking. That might just be the drugs though.

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:24:43am

re: #26 Dreggas

I knew someone would say that. It has to be either the government or liberals trying to either take away liberties or frame god fearin' real 'murikans.

It'll be interesting to see who they catch (if they catch them) for doing this.

Won't matter in a lot of circles. The mindset is so well entrenched that any evidence contrary to the preferred result set will be written of as a media exaggeration, outright lie, or a planted event made by the opposition.

42 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:25:07am

re: #27 Alouette

This was not a fertilizer bomb.

Lets not assume that fertilizer bombs are unsophisticated. Nearly all explosives contain high levels of nitrogen. The reason for this is that the N2 molecule that is created when nitrogen combusts is extremely chemical stable. In fact the the energy of formation (delta-h) for N2 is nearly 1000 kilojoules which is the highest of all gases. Fertilizers are very high in nitrogen.

43 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:25:15am

re: #40 MrSilverDragon

First thing that pops into my mind is purple unicorns frolicking. That might just be the drugs though.

Nope...it's not the drugs...they're frolicking alright.

44 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:25:43am

re: #20 EmmmieG

That's too stupid to even answer.

People better, though. If you look at the history of holocaust denial, it only lost traction and momentum when academics and other people with prestige mustered the nerve to challenge the lunatic fringe.

45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:27:14am

info on hate groups and other news from Spokane area:

Hate groups use non-profits to avoid taxes

Racist group leaves fliers on lawns (note the report is in a spokane paper but takes place in Idaho, 40 minutes away)

News on the bombing itself:

Race connection "Inescapable" FBI says

46 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:28:16am

re: #42 Big Steve

Lets not assume that fertilizer bombs are unsophisticated. Nearly all explosives contain high levels of nitrogen. The reason for this is that the N2 molecule that is created when nitrogen combusts is extremely chemical stable. In fact the the energy of formation (delta-h) for N2 is nearly 1000 kilojoules which is the highest of all gases. Fertilizers are very high in nitrogen.

PETN is fucking easy to make. I looked it up a while back on google - didn't post the link here because it was so easy to make - and it was frightening how little one needed to make a big bang...a drop a little larger than the head on a matchstick evaporated a 17lb watermelon. Once it's made, the shit is super stable...drop it, walk on it, nothing happens. Set a fuse to it, and all bets are off.

47 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:28:41am

Lizards, if you ever run across a suspicious package, never, ever do something stupid like this.

"The FBI on Wednesday declined to reveal any details about the bomb, which was spotted by three city employees about an hour before the downtown parade was to start, said Frank Harrill, special agent in charge of the Spokane office. The employees looked inside, saw wires and immediately alerted law enforcement, and the parade was rerouted."

They got lucky. It could have had a tamper detect circuit and gone off when they opened it.

48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:30:36am

Reading more about the bomb it sounds like an improvised Claymore mine.

49 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:31:55am

re: #48 Dreggas

Reading more about the bomb it sounds like an improvised Claymore mine.

whoa, Claymores are super lethal...improving one somehow is boggling

50 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:32:51am

re: #46 darthstar

PETN is fucking easy to make. I looked it up a while back on google - didn't post the link here because it was so easy to make - and it was frightening how little one needed to make a big bang...a drop a little larger than the head on a matchstick evaporated a 17lb watermelon. Once it's made, the shit is super stable...drop it, walk on it, nothing happens. Set a fuse to it, and all bets are off.

It is easy to make provided you can get or make pentaerythritol which is a necessary precursor and that, my friend, is difficult compound to make and is a controlled substance to buy.

51 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:33:07am

re: #49 albusteve

whoa, Claymores are super lethal...improving one somehow is boggling

I meant improvised in that it was a pipe bomb meant to go off directionally and loaded with shrapnel to maximize injury/lethality. Not sure what actual explosive was used.

52 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:33:25am

re: #49 albusteve

whoa, Claymores are super lethal...improving one somehow is boggling

improvised != improved.

53 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:33:45am

re: #48 Dreggas

Reading more about the bomb it sounds like an improvised Claymore mine.

Yeah, using the concrete bench to help direct the blast, too. The whole thing was very sophisticated, and I do think we're very lucky that a tragedy was averted.

Unless they catch whoever did this, they are going to kill a lot of people. They're still out there. They're obviously committed to their 'cause'.

54 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:34:09am

re: #52 McSpiff

Actually it generally means the opposite... non-manufactured, non-ideal parts, etc.

55 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:36:36am

re: #52 McSpiff

improvised != improved.

I understand....just thinking
I don't suppose you can improve a Claymore tho

56 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:37:00am

re: #55 albusteve

I understand...just thinking
I don't suppose you can improve a Claymore tho

Two claymores.

57 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:38:12am

re: #55 albusteve

I understand...just thinking
I don't suppose you can improve a Claymore tho

Claymores are a nasty piece of equipment that's for sure. Remember a weapons demo in BCT where they set one off in front of a wall of balloons...nothing left.

58 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:38:42am

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Two claymores.

yeah....a bombers dream come true, to get your hands on a few of those things

59 Locker  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:38:44am

No idea how this isn't on the front page everywhere. Maybe because everyone knows that only al qaeda agents are terrorists and it COULDN'T be domestic so we'll just pretend it didn't happen.

60 McSpiff  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:39:11am

re: #55 albusteve

I understand...just thinking
I don't suppose you can improve a Claymore tho

No, I'd say that's been pretty much perfected ever since the "front towards enemy" sticker was added...

61 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:40:17am

re: #53 Obdicut

Yeah, using the concrete bench to help direct the blast, too. The whole thing was very sophisticated, and I do think we're very lucky that a tragedy was averted.

Unless they catch whoever did this, they are going to kill a lot of people. They're still out there. They're obviously committed to their 'cause'.

Yeah, this one really bothers me. Not to minimize recent events, but most of the bombs, letters, etc we've read about in the last year or so might lead one to believe that incompetence was a unifying thread amongst the would-be bombers.

This one was in no way incompetent.

And it's really hard for me to believe that such a sophisticated device was intended to only be a one-off. Somebody with this kind of know-how won't give up just 'cause his baby got found.

62 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:40:30am

re: #55 albusteve

I understand...just thinking
I don't suppose you can improve a Claymore tho

Well, if someone could figure out how to synthesize enough of the stuff they could fill it with Heptanitrocubane.

63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:40:42am

re: #60 McSpiff

No, I'd say that's been pretty much perfected ever since the "front towards enemy" sticker was added...

I admit, I Laughed when I first saw that. Then again there are warning labels on hair dryers that say they are not to be used in the shower when the water is running.

64 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:42:07am

re: #60 McSpiff

No, I'd say that's been pretty much perfected ever since the "front towards enemy" sticker was added...

I found a Canadian contract that calls for "Front towards enemy", but I'm pretty sure our (US) old ones were "This side towards enemy". Funny if there are mine dialects.

65 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:42:17am

re: #61 Slap

Yeah, this one really bothers me. Not to minimize recent events, but most of the bombs, letters, etc we've read about in the last year or so might lead one to believe that incompetence was a unifying thread amongst the would-be bombers.

This one was in no way incompetent.

And it's really hard for me to believe that such a sophisticated device was intended to only be a one-off. Somebody with this kind of know-how won't give up just 'cause his baby got found.

Honestly, knowing the areas reputation, knowing people from Idaho who saw these militia types and Aryan Nation guys all the time it's not surprising that they A) most likely are responsible and B) could cook up a sophisticated device.

66 Big Steve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:43:34am

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

Well, if someone could figure out how to synthesize enough of the stuff they could fill it with Heptanitrocubane.

See what I mean........look at all those lovely nitrite functional groups!

67 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:43:55am

re: #65 Dreggas

Gee, maybe a right-wing militia group aggressively recruited among ex-military members.

No, wait, for some reason that was deemed offensive and terrible to talk about.

68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:44:13am

re: #64 Decatur Deb

I found a Canadian contract that calls for "Front towards enemy", but I'm pretty sure our (US) old ones were "This side towards enemy". Funny if there are mine dialects.

some had that, some had a helpful arrow molded into the top as to which side was the front etc.

If you couldn't figure out that the side with the arc outward and away was the side to put towards the "enemy" you almost deserved your fate. Then again there were those who threw the pin and dropped the grenade during grenade training.

69 Locker  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:44:34am

[Link: www.rawstory.com...]

[blockquote]"I was struck that on a day when we celebrate Dr. King, a champion of non-violence, we were faced with a significant violent threat," she told AP. "This is unacceptable in our community, or any community."

Monday was a federal holiday slated for the 81st birthday of Dr. King, the civil rights hero and Nobel Peace Prize winner who was assassinated at the age of 39.

An FBI statement after the incident described it as "domestic terrorism," warning that the device could have killed multiple people.[/blockquote]

70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:45:09am

re: #67 Obdicut

Gee, maybe a right-wing militia group aggressively recruited among ex-military members.

No, wait, for some reason that was deemed offensive and terrible to talk about.

That's the Aryan Nation/Militia MO to a tee. Sure there's the ones that are complete idiots but there are plenty who aren't.

71 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:46:54am

re: #9 SpaceJesus

Gotta admit I don't know much about Spokane. Is there a larger than usual presence of skinheads there? Racist past of any kind?

It's totally got more than its share, it's in close proximity to Coeur D'Alene in idaho, which has a big racist presence

72 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:48:35am

re: #71 WindUpBird

It's totally got more than its share, it's in close proximity to Coeur D'Alene in idaho, which has a big racist presence

yep just see my links here

73 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:50:33am

re: #71 WindUpBird

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

74 BishopX  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:51:36am

re: #68 Dreggas

Gee maybe right wing militia types purposely joined the US military to get training.

75 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:52:25am

These clowns left a lot of material evidence, so they are probably toast. In the same vein is the story that the best man at the wedding of our old friends, the Hutaree militia, was an FBI plant.

[Link: www.google.com...]

76 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:52:57am

re: #67 Obdicut

Gee, maybe a right-wing militia group aggressively recruited among ex-military members.

No, wait, for some reason that was deemed offensive and terrible to talk about.

This seems to me to be the most likely explanation. Disaffected veterans who already have the training, and have seen plenty of IED's in action, could easily do this.

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:53:30am

24-hour rule on speculation. I also have my conjectures, but will keep quiet about it.

Perhaps it was a leftist plant so they could spread more blood libel all over Sarah

/

78 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:54:45am

re: #65 Dreggas

Honestly, knowing the areas reputation, knowing people from Idaho who saw these militia types and Aryan Nation guys all the time it's not surprising that they A) most likely are responsible and B) could cook up a sophisticated device.

I see your point and acknowledge its likelihood....however, I'm trying not to draw conclusions before more is known.

The only things I'm definitely comfortable with assuming are that the device was potentially deadly as hell, and that whoever put it together is frighteningly skilled and, apparently, sociopathic.

Beyond that, I await more specifics....

79 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:56:09am

Bum-sniffing dog wants a walk--BBL.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:56:10am

re: #78 Slap

I see your point and acknowledge its likelihood...however, I'm trying not to draw conclusions before more is known.

The only things I'm definitely comfortable with assuming are that the device was potentially deadly as hell, and that whoever put it together is frighteningly skilled and, apparently, sociopathic.

Beyond that, I await more specifics...

sociopathic if it was meant to be detonated, but if it was meant to be discovered, then it's basically a death threat with a demonstration of ability

81 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:57:29am

re: #78 Slap

I think you can add to that list of things we can count as known that the target was a MLK-day parade. The device was placed directly on the route, and positioned such that the blast would be directed at the parade.

I don't think you can easily dismiss that as indicative of motive.

82 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:00:03pm

re: #81 Fozzie Bear

I think you can add to that list of things we can count as known that the target was a MLK-day parade. The device was placed directly on the route, and positioned such that the blast would be directed at the parade.

I don't think you can easily dismiss that as indicative of motive.

Agreed -- I merely neglected to include that in my list 'cause I take that as a given....

83 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:00:56pm

re: #82 Slap

Agreed -- I merely neglected to include that in my list 'cause I take that as a given...

I think that will be the aspect most contested by wingers: Target and motivation.

84 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:01:00pm

I have a question for the e-cig vaping lizards:

My half-sister wants one for her birthday, which model(s) of vaporizer and juice do you use/like?

85 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:02:38pm

re: #80 WindUpBird

sociopathic if it was meant to be detonated, but if it was meant to be discovered, then it's basically a death threat with a demonstration of ability

Grammatical point:

Would it not be appropriate to refer to one who makes death threats with a demonstration of ability, as sociopathic?

86 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:04:19pm

re: #80 WindUpBird

sociopathic if it was meant to be detonated, but if it was meant to be discovered, then it's basically a death threat with a demonstration of ability

Wait till they receive a ransom note. "The next one I hide where you will never find it."

87 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:05:07pm
88 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:06:29pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

Oh yeah, my sister lives in Cour D'Alene, Idaho, so this question is tangentially on topic.

89 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:06:56pm

re: #85 Slap

Grammatical point:

Would it not be appropriate to refer to one who makes death threats with a demonstration of ability, as sociopathic?

There are plenty of murderous non-sociopaths out there. I know this seems like quibbling, but whether bombing a group of people is morally appropriate to you greatly depends on how you feel about the target(s). If you are convinced the targets are evil, then you don't have to be a sociopath to kill them.

90 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:07:31pm

re: #5 Charles

The parade hadn't started yet - so I assume it wasn't time to detonate it.

This may have been covered in the thread and I just missed it.....but I saw a report that it had a remote detonator resembling a car alarm. Which means to me the culprit(s) were planning on being very near the device when it was detonated.

It's clear that whoever did this had sophisticated knowledge of what he was doing....and was experienced enough to put the bag on the concrete bench. This certainly wasn't the work of a "lone wolf."

91 Tumulus11  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:16:13pm

'Local peace activists say they can't believe that someone targeted a parade that always involves young children.'
// Associated Press


. These malignant killers would murder little black boys and black girls just to prevent them from joining hands with little white boys and white girls.

But we still have a dream today.

92 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:17:13pm

re: #91 Tumulus11

'Local peace activists say they can't believe that someone targeted a parade that always involves young children.'
// Associated Press

. These malignant killers would murder little black boys and black girls just to prevent them from joining hands with little white boys and white girls.

But we still have a dream today.

They don't remember Birmingham '63?

93 Tigger2  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:21:57pm

Glenn Beck And Sean Hannity Dropped From Philadelphia Radio Station

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I hope this is an indication that America is finally getting sick of all the hate that has griped this country.

94 theheat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:22:59pm

24 hour rule applies, but I have a two dollar bet on the KKKlukkers and/or their sympathizers that call Eastern Washington / Northern Idaho their home.

95 theheat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:23:58pm

re: #93 Tigger2

Nah. They're still loud and proud and revered in plenty of other places.

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:25:13pm

I simply can not wrap my head around murdering strangers.

97 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:26:23pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I simply can not wrap my head around murdering strangers.

An indication you are of a sound mind.

98 Tigger2  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:27:54pm

re: #95 theheat

Nah. They're still loud and proud and revered in plenty of other places.


But if this is a trend it would marginalise them more than they already are.

99 Kragar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:29:04pm

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I simply can not wrap my head around murdering strangers.

Its actually easier if you don't know them, as you can depersonalize them more easily and consider them "The Other."

100 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:29:23pm

re: #74 BishopX

Gee maybe right wing militia types purposely joined the US military to get training.

Not beyond the realm of possibilities, as many gang-bangers have done the same.

101 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:29:56pm

18 other isolated incidents from Digby

Too many characters to paste here...but it's worth a read.

102 Kragar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:34:34pm

Giffords could leave hospital on Friday

TUCSON, Ariz. — Rep. Gabrielle Giffords will likely leave the hospital Friday and move into a Texas rehabilitation center to begin the next phase of her recovery from a gunshot wound to the head, her family said Wednesday.

In a statement released by Giffords' congressional office, Giffords' husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, said his wife will be moved — likely Friday barring medical issues — to TIRR Memorial Hermann Rehabilitation Hospital in Houston. Doctors say the exact timing of the move will depend on Giffords' health.

103 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:38:07pm

re: #102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's great news. Also reduces her chance of getting MRSA.

104 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:38:41pm

John "The President Never Includes ME!" Boehner refused another White House invitation - this one to attend a State Dinner with President Hu of China...Boehner's excuse? He doesn't like state dinners and will meet with Hu on his own.

And it's not like he minded state dinners in 2007...I wonder what changed? And is it too early to call Boehner a racist who refuses to be seen with the Presient?

[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

105 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:38:45pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

I have a question for the e-cig vaping lizards:

My half-sister wants one for her birthday, which model(s) of vaporizer and juice do you use/like?

One of these sets.

And the refillable cartridges, with whatever "flavor" juice she likes.

I ordered the wrong sized cartridge at first, there are 2 sizes of e-cigs, so she needs to be sure she orders the correct size.

106 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:39:08pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

One of these sets.

And the refillable cartridges, with whatever "flavor" juice she likes.

I ordered the wrong sized cartridge at first, there are 2 sizes of e-cigs, so she needs to be sure she orders the correct size.

OOps. Link
These.

107 darthstar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:40:40pm

re: #84 goddamnedfrank

I have a question for the e-cig vaping lizards:

My half-sister wants one for her birthday, which model(s) of vaporizer and juice do you use/like?

This one's nice.

108 prairiefire  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:40:57pm

re: #106 reine.de.tout

hey, I haven't had a chance to ask you if you got what you wanted for Christmas.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:44:21pm

re: #104 darthstar

John "The President Never Includes ME!" Boehner refused another White House invitation - this one to attend a State Dinner with President Hu of China...Boehner's excuse? He doesn't like state dinners and will meet with Hu on his own.

And it's not like he minded state dinners in 2007...I wonder what changed? And is it too early to call Boehner a racist who refuses to be seen with the Presient?

[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

Maybe Boehner is afraid of a Tea Party challenger when his term is up and wants to avoid any photo op including President Obama in order to avoid giving any theoretical opponent any material to work with.

Not that Photoshop exists and would make the juxtaposition for campaign purposes real easy in any case...

110 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:44:28pm

re: #108 prairiefire

hey, I haven't had a chance to ask you if you got what you wanted for Christmas.

Yes! I did.
Pandora bracelet - 3 charms for me, 3 representing my daughter, 3 representing my mom, 3 generations of ladies! I have 3 brothers, and they only had sons - so it was my mom, me and then my daughter and that's it. I love it.

111 mr.fusion  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:44:54pm

re: #93 Tigger2

Glenn Beck And Sean Hannity Dropped From Philadelphia Radio Station

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I hope this is an indication that America is finally getting sick of all the hate that has griped this country.

Americans, at our heart, are an optimistic people......all this pessimism, doom and gloom, and naysaying is eventually going to grow old. Whatever happened to the optimistic Republican?

112 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:48:30pm

re: #60 McSpiff

No, I'd say that's been pretty much perfected ever since the "front towards enemy" sticker was added...

LOL

113 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:48:45pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

Whatever happened to the optimistic Republican?

I think he left on the last train for the Coast......

114 Kragar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:49:40pm

re: #113 Slap

I think he left on the last train for the Coast...

He just smiled and turned away.

115 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:50:43pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

Americans, at our heart, are an optimistic people...all this pessimism, doom and gloom, and naysaying is eventually going to grow old. Whatever happened to the optimistic Republican?

I really don't think this is true. (The bolded part) At least not any more.

116 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:53:22pm

re: #101 darthstar

18 other isolated incidents from Digby

estimates of the percentage of sociopaths in the united states ranges from a conservative 1% up to as much as 4%. 1% would of course still amount to over two million adults in this country. some subset of this group is looking for an excuse to hurt people

combined with the easy availability of military grade weapons and other materials, and an atmosphere of violent political rhetoric, we end up with a kind of construction kit for mass murder

117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:54:06pm

re: #99 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its actually easier if you don't know them, as you can depersonalize them more easily and consider them "The Other."

Well, if I had a reason to kill someone, I'd have to know them. Then, I guess (can't believe this shit is happening in 2011) it would make it easier.

118 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:54:17pm

re: #113 Slap

I think he left on the last train for the Coast...

hehe... reminds me.

I heard "Abraham, Martin and John" this morning on the way to work and just boo-hoo'd all the way to the office.

119 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:54:58pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

Americans, at our heart, are an optimistic people...all this pessimism, doom and gloom, and naysaying is eventually going to grow old. Whatever happened to the optimistic Republican?

there are millions of them out there, but I don't think they have a clue who they vote for, or how they are being sold out right now

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:55:01pm

re: #116 engineer dog

I am growing pessimistic: I fear that all it will take is another major terror attack, or a man-made/natural disaster (or any combination thereof) to bring these folks out of the woodwork in droves.

121 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:55:40pm

re: #91 Tumulus11

'Local peace activists say they can't believe that someone targeted a parade that always involves young children.'
// Associated Press

. These malignant killers would murder little black boys and black girls just to prevent them from joining hands with little white boys and white girls.

But we still have a dream today.

Yes we do.

122 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:56:00pm

re: #118 marjoriemoon

Dion -- one of the great voices, for sure!

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:56:20pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

Whatever happened to the optimistic Republican?

I lost my optimism when the far-right, reactionary Teahadis, Birchers, and so on creeped into the tent and weren't promptly booted out.

124 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:58:48pm

re: #111 mr.fusion

Americans, at our heart, are an optimistic people...all this pessimism, doom and gloom, and naysaying is eventually going to grow old. Whatever happened to the optimistic Republican?

They're optimistic, just about the wrong things.

125 Kragar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:59:39pm

re: #117 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, if I had a reason to kill someone, I'd have to know them. Then, I guess (can't believe this shit is happening in 2011) it would make it easier.

If you have a perceived grudge against a group, its easier to attack members you viewed just as that being part of that group, rather than targetting someone from that group that you know, work with, and have lunch with.

Its a lot easier mentally to say "kill a member of group X" rather than say "Kill John Doe, husband and father of 3, who works 8-4 at Home Depot, who supports group X".

126 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 12:59:53pm

Until there is more from the FBI I will refrain from affixing suspicion on
any group.....I have my opinion period!
If this devise was as Mr.fusion thought he heard , a key fob(remote)
Line of sight and close proximity is not necessary.
I've locked and unlocked our vehicles from inside a grocery store 200 feet
away!
Garage remotes/recievers ...R/C toy conrtolers...etc
Even if they used newly purchased components...
Traceing this is going to be difficult.
Not as dicey as it would had it gone off....!!

127 RadicalModerate  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:01:32pm

Instead of the OKC bombing, there's a much better comparison that could be made of this device's design and targeting:

Centennial Olympic Park bombing


Centennial Olympic Park was designed as the "town square" of the Olympics, and thousands of spectators had gathered for a late concert by the band Jack Mack and the Heart Attack. Sometime after midnight, [Eric] Rudolph planted a green U.S. military ALICE pack (field pack) containing three pipe bombs surrounded by nails underneath a bench near the base of a concert sound tower. He then left the area. The pack had a directed charge and could have done more damage but it was tipped over at some point.[citation needed] It was the largest pipe bomb in U.S. history, weighing in excess of 40 pounds.[citation needed] It used a steel plate as a directional device.

The only real difference between Rudolph's device and this one was that his was a timered device while the one found Monday was a remote-control device.

Rudolph, currently in prison with four consecitive life sentences, also detonated devices outside abortion clinics as well as gay bars, is an extremist with apparent ties to the white supremacist Christian Identity movement, and reportedly had support (via housing, housing and financial means) by more "mainstream" fundamentalist Christian groups.

[Link: www.adl.org...]

128 albusteve  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:03:41pm

re: #122 Slap

Dion -- one of the great voices, for sure!

oh yeah...man, that cat had style

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:05:53pm

re: #128 albusteve

oh yeah...man, that cat had style

All felines have style, thus being compared to one being used as a compliment.
(Cue feline blooper reel...)

130 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:08:27pm

re: #55 albusteve

I understand...just thinking
I don't suppose you can improve a Claymore tho

Plastic shrapnel. Doesn't show up on xrays. Probably, but don't quote me, unlikely to show up on MRIs and other advanced detection equipment either. Maybe PETs, but those aren't, to my knowledge, commonly available.

So surgeons will have to go digging.

131 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:08:42pm

re: #128 albusteve

oh yeah...man, that cat had style

Yeah, who knew that he was as addicted as Keef was....!

Actually, last I heard, his voice was as strong as ever....

132 Slap  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:12:40pm

re: #128 albusteve

oh yeah...man, that cat had style

Sorry, this is a much better response than my first:

Got cat class, got cat style.....

133 What, me worry?  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:15:36pm

re: #132 Slap

Sorry, this is a much better response than my first:


[Video]Got cat class, got cat style...

Gawd I loved them and totally miss them.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:16:19pm

re: #76 Fozzie Bear

This seems to me to be the most likely explanation. Disaffected veterans who already have the training, and have seen plenty of IED's in action, could easily do this.

The thought that someone could see what IEDs have done in Iraq and then come home to set them in their own country makes me pretty ill.

135 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:16:44pm

That this sophisticated bomb placed in a manner to maximize damage was found before detonation is a miracle.

136 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:18:23pm

re: #91 Tumulus11

'Local peace activists say they can't believe that someone targeted a parade that always involves young children.'
// Associated Press

. These malignant killers would murder little black boys and black girls just to prevent them from joining hands with little white boys and white girls.

But we still have a dream today.

16th Street Baptist Church, Birmingham, 1963.

These people are their successors. So all the rest of us must be Dr. King's.

137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:22:16pm

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That's kinda my point. Can't imagine having a "thing" against an entire group.

138 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:25:14pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Here's one of the first comments that pops up...

Here's another:

I bet the organizers planted it just for getting headlines.

9 people liked this.

139 Charleston Chew  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:30:43pm

I'm just glad bombs don't have a powerful lobby in Washington. I'd hate to live in a country where the National Bomb Association defends people right to leave IEDs lying about.

140 Charleston Chew  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:31:51pm

re: #139 Charleston Chew

I can already hear their slogan: "Bombs don't kill people . . . "

141 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:34:08pm

Kudos to the alert city workers. They have reason to be very proud.

142 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:35:29pm

re: #139 Charleston Chew

I'm just glad bombs don't have a powerful lobby in Washington. I'd hate to live in a country where the National Bomb Association defends people right to leave IEDs lying about.

If you are a true constitutional originalist, you can't have a problem with my small stash of these:

Image: LastLoad1992d.jpg

143 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:36:32pm

re: #141 Amory Blaine

Kudos to the alert city workers. They have reason to be very proud.

You don't think it was dumb luck?
If you thought it was dangerous, would you move or open it?

144 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:36:44pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

If you are a true constitutional originalist, you can't have a problem with my small stash of these:

Image: LastLoad1992d.jpg

Hey those could be handy for the garden!

145 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:39:08pm

re: #143 ozbloke

You don't think it was dumb luck?
If you thought it was dangerous, would you move or open it?

IDK it is possible. Many municipalities have enacted training programs for government employees though. I'm of the minority opinion that there are alert and professional government employees and I'll give credit to these heroes until I find out otherwise.

146 b_sharp  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:39:22pm

re: #144 Amory Blaine

Hey those could be handy for the garden!

Are you having a garden party? I assume those are the fireworks.

147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:39:24pm

re: #143 ozbloke

You don't think it was dumb luck?
If you thought it was dangerous, would you move or open it?

I'd be that guy calling the bomb squad.

Now, if it was baked into a cake or something?

148 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:42:29pm

re: #145 Amory Blaine

IDK it is possible. Many municipalities have enacted training programs for government employees though. I'm of the minority opinion that there are alert and professional government employees and I'll give credit to these heroes until I find out otherwise.

Would these training programs teach people to move objects that they are suspicious of?

Sounds strange to me.

149 Kragar  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:45:20pm

re: #148 ozbloke

Would these training programs teach people to move objects that they are suspicious of?

Sounds strange to me.

The NBC training I had said don't touch, isolate the area and evacuate. If a chemical or biological agents is suspected, attempt to contain the area so its not dispersed any further.

150 Amory Blaine  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:47:35pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The NBC training I had said don't touch, isolate the area and evacuate. If a chemical or biological agents is suspected, attempt to contain the area so its not dispersed any further.

People who call the cops for every stray item don't stay employed very long.

151 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:48:30pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The NBC training I had said don't touch, isolate the area and evacuate. If a chemical or biological agents is suspected, attempt to contain the area so its not dispersed any further.

Army EOD teams rather routinely blow up misplaced bags of underwear and PX purchases.

152 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 1:57:00pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

People who call the cops for every stray item don't stay employed very long.

/ But they may live to an old age.

153 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 2:00:17pm

re: #150 Amory Blaine

People who call the cops for every stray item don't stay employed very long.

What this person did by investigating and moving the device, probably not only put his own life in danger but also of anyone in close proximity.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 2:01:33pm

re: #139 Charleston Chew

I'm just glad bombs don't have a powerful lobby in Washington. I'd hate to live in a country where the National Bomb Association defends people right to leave IEDs lying about.

Theoretically, are bombs 'arms'? If so, they would fall under the Second.

155 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 2:03:39pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Theoretically, are bombs 'arms'? If so, they would fall under the Second.

Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty.

156 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 3:50:20pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

The thought that someone could see what IEDs have done in Iraq and then come home to set them in their own country makes me pretty ill.

But that's pure speculation. There's a nice NCIS TV series joke: "But how many people know how to make an improvised claymore"?

...silence...

"in this room"?

And one hand goes up, then another, and another and another.

There are so many groups that could be responsible, and there's also the chance it was the work of a loner, along the lines of the unabomber, marching to his own drummer and some mix of insane and genius.

One thing to keep in mind is, who's brought off mass casualty attacks in the past, or attempted them and missed narrowly?

NYC WTC, NYC WTC again, Times Square, Pentagon, OK City, Olympics, anthrax. We have a fairly long list. It's not actually made up exclusively of WASP RW freaks.

157 Obdicut  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 3:59:12pm

re: #156 lostlakehiker

The target was a MLK march.

158 JRCMYP  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 5:07:33pm

re: #48 Dreggas

Reading more about the bomb it sounds like an improvised Claymore mine.

What's a Claymore mine? Where was it used or developed?

159 jordash1212  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 9:14:14pm

re: #158 JRCMYP

Claymore mines are the standard military mine. It's nothing out of the ordinary.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

160 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 10:50:35pm

re: #93 Tigger2

Glenn Beck And Sean Hannity Dropped From Philadelphia Radio Station

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I hope this is an indication that America is finally getting sick of all the hate that has griped this country.

I linked to the list of the (few) advertisers that Beck has left. I was pleased to see that I don't do business with any of them.

As someone pointed out much earlier, Spokane is very near Idaho (40 miles), which has a large Aryan/skinhead/"militia" whatever hate presence. Hmmm, is that the same Idaho which is the native state of a certain ex-governor of our largest state?

161 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Jan 19, 2011 11:35:56pm

re: #104 darthstar

John "The President Never Includes ME!" Boehner refused another White House invitation - this one to attend a State Dinner with President Hu of China...Boehner's excuse? He doesn't like state dinners and will meet with Hu on his own.

And it's not like he minded state dinners in 2007...I wonder what changed? And is it too early to call Boehner a racist who refuses to be seen with the Presient?

[Link: www.politicsdaily.com...]

I don't know if Boehner is a racist, but from his background I know that if he has had much experience dealing with black people, it wasn't until adulthood. His home town, Reading, Ohio, was and is a working-class white industrial suburb of Cincinnati. His high school, Moeller HS, is a parochial school that while he was there had only a few black students, imported strictly for athletics and not considered real members of the community. Our mutual college, Xavier University, had few black students at the time (despite being located next to one of the city's largest black neighborhoods), again many of those there due to athletics.

I lean toward his not being a racist, but simply being someone who refuses to deal with any people or situations with which he is not 100% comfortable.

162 boxhead  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 2:59:13am

Does anyone have links to the right wing blogs that covered this? I always like to see what the spin is, or to see if they actually cover it.

163 Yashmak  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 7:15:31am

re: #158 JRCMYP

What's a Claymore mine? Where was it used or developed?

In short, it's a tripwire or remote detonated directional fragmentation mine, designed to throw an arc of shrapnel in a certain direction.

I don't know the actual development history, but it gained fame for its use in Vietnam.


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