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1 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 10:43:31pm

Time for me to go to bed. Good night, all.

2 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 11:07:59pm

When the truth is found to be lies
and all the joy within you dies
don’t you want somebody to love
don’t you need somebody to love
wouldn’t you love somebody to love
you better find somebody to love
?

3 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 11:29:46pm

For everyone who thinks I only listen to heavy music

Youtube Video

4 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Jan 20, 2011 11:35:19pm

Heh. There’s an ad on LGF by Americans United for Life.

5 ClaudeMonet  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 12:07:25am

re: #4 eclectic infidel

Heh. There’s an ad on LGF by Americans United for Life.

Isn’t just about everyone “for Life”? Is anyone really “for Death”, other than a few psychos and right-wingers?

I love names like that. I’ve always wanted to form organizations with names opposite to them, but I think that most people wouldn’t get the joke. “Morons, don’t you get how insipid THEIR name is?”

6 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 12:29:52am

I’ve not seen this story anywhere but from a local paper up north:

Pipe bomb found on Highway 36 west of Red Bluff

A CalFire Ishi crew doing brush clean-up on Highway 36W, west of Red Bluff, was in for a surprise Wednesday when they discovered a suspicious device about 1 p.m. that turned out to be a pipe bomb.

Caltrans was called out to look at the device and after agreeing that the suspicious device looked like a pipe bomb called the California Highway Patrol who asked for help from the Shasta County Bomb Squad.

A lot of things resemble a pipe bomb, but this thing has all indications of a pipe bomb so we’re going to treat it as such, said Shasta County Bomb Squad Sgt. Jason Barnhart. Our job is to render it safe.

CalFire had an engine from the Dibble Creek station standing by in case of an emergency and Caltrans and CHP set up a road block.

After closing Highway 36W for about half a mile in each direction from mile marker 31 about 4 p.m., the bomb squad set about disposing of the device, which they did by counter-charging it with explosives, Barnhart said.

The bomb was detonated about 4:30 p.m. and shortly after the road was re-opened to normal traffic.

There are no leads on how the device got there or how long it had been there, but signs of oxidation on it have led authorities to believe it had been there for some time, said CHP Sgt. Jeff Ross.



What is this country coming to, when pipe bombs are found in just about any old place?

7 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 12:54:04am

More Enrico Macias:

MP3 Audio

8 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 2:05:17am

wow another article about my profession by a non-expert with a job writing for a newspaper.

I got three words: hire a pro.

9 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:22:26am
10 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 3:40:26am
11 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:00:30am

Morning, all

12 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:09:17am

re: #9 freetoken

re: #10 freetoken

The word ‘eclectic’ comes to mind.

Good choices!

13 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:13:28am

Good Morning Honcos!

“Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.”
Dan Quayle

14 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:20:21am

re: #13 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Honcos!

“Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.”
Dan Quayle

Quiet today.

I guess everyone has settled into orbit.

15 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:22:10am

re: #13 rwdflynavy

Good Morning Honcos!

“Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.”
Dan Quayle

Always knew there was something spacey about that boy.

16 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:23:41am

re: #14 researchok

Quiet today.

I guess everyone has settled into orbit.

Maybe I just don’t have anything to say

ESPECIALLY to you!!!
//

17 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:26:51am

re: #16 sattv4u2

Maybe I just don’t have anything to say

ESPECIALLY to you!!!
//

Tell me something I don’t know!

//

18 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:32:23am

re: #12 researchok

re: #10 freetoken

The word ‘eclectic’ comes to mind.


Variety spices things up a bit.

19 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:32:59am

re: #18 freetoken

Variety spices things up a bit.

I have a spice rack in the kitchen that does the same thing!

20 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:33:51am

re: #19 sattv4u2

May be, but your kitchen isn’t online.

21 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:34:15am

re: #18 freetoken

Variety spices things up a bit.

Mission accomplished.

22 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:36:12am

BTW, I looked at the Republican Study Committee proposal (now online).

100% ideological sales pitch to their funders/groupies, mostly composed of extreme social conservatives. Total avoidance of the real big budget items in federal dole.

23 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:38:20am

re: #21 researchok

Mission accomplished.

I like to explore music genre’s from outside the US, as well as historical music.

24 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:39:32am

re: #22 freetoken

BTW, I looked at the Republican Study Committee proposal (now online).

100% ideological sales pitch to their funders/groupies, mostly composed of extreme social conservatives. Total avoidance of the real big budget items in federal dole.

Good. Then they will have sympathy when their policies ultimately fail and they go scrape their wounds on a dungheap.

25 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:42:33am

Looks like that Mafia crackdown did catch a pretty big fish after all

boston.com

26 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:43:03am

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Good. Then they will have sympathy when their policies ultimately fail and they go scrape their wounds on a dungheap.

And they wonder why Americans want a third party.

27 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:43:19am

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Good. Then they will have sympathy when their policies ultimately fail and they go scrape their wounds on a dungheap.

I’m afraid it’s going to be us who are wounded.

Really, they’re attack either the trivially small budget items that are socially un-conservative, and a few big items like rail and government travel, the elimination of which will cause multiple follow on problems for companies which service those industries.

28 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:45:35am

re: #25 sattv4u2

Looks like that Mafia crackdown did catch a pretty big fish after all

For now it might curb a tiny bit of crime.

But big fish become big fish by starting out as small fish who eat other (smaller) fish. The feds catch some big fish… so now some smaller fish will move in and take over, eat some other small fish, and then there will be big fish again.

29 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:46:15am

re: #27 freetoken

I’m afraid it’s going to be us who are wounded.

Really, they’re attack either the trivially small budget items that are socially un-conservative, and a few big items like rail and government travel, the elimination of which will cause multiple follow on problems for companies which service those industries.

When both sides deal with SS, Medicare, etc., I’ll be impressed.

Until then, this is theater and not governance.

30 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:47:16am

re: #27 freetoken

I’m afraid it’s going to be us who are wounded.

Really, they’re attack either the trivially small budget items that are socially un-conservative, and a few big items like rail and government travel, the elimination of which will cause multiple follow on problems for companies which service those industries.

I should have said “strategy” instead of “policies”. I don’t think they’ll get much passed. Inaction, like a shutdown, won’t be sustainable when the results start coming in.

31 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:49:26am

re: #28 freetoken

For now it might curb a tiny bit of crime.

But big fish become big fish by starting out as small fish who eat other (smaller) fish. The feds catch some big fish… so now some smaller fish will move in and take over, eat some other small fish, and then there will be big fish again.

Gee,, thanks for the lesson in oprganized crime,,, or corporate America ,,or sports ,,, or ,,,,,,

Point being, at firct blush it looked as if it were just some foot soldiers in/ around NYC. This sweep was more wide ranging than that, although the “big fish” I mentioned is actually “retired”

AND ,,,, I’ll bet dollars to donuts he’ll never see a trial. Classic old Mafioso,,, he’s very old (83) and every time he has a date he’ll come up with a “medical issue” that forces a dealy

32 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:51:54am

re: #31 sattv4u2

Gee,, thanks for the lesson in oprganized crime,,, or corporate America ,,or sports ,,, or ,,,

Point being, at firct blush it looked as if it were just some foot soldiers in/ around NYC. This sweep was more wide ranging than that, although the “big fish” I mentioned is actually “retired”

AND ,,, I’ll bet dollars to donuts he’ll never see a trial. Classic old Mafioso,,, he’s very old (83) and every time he has a date he’ll come up with a “medical issue” that forces a dealy

As a very old Kentucky mountaineer once told me: “you’d be surprised how little a life sentence means to someone my age”.

33 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:52:59am

Here’s an example:

Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy. $20 million annual savings.

Well, that’ll make Glen Beck happy.

For reference:

Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars

The Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars (or Wilson Center), located in Washington, D.C., is a United States Presidential Memorial that was established as part of the Smithsonian Institution by an act of Congress in 1968. Named in honor of President Woodrow Wilson (the only President of the United States with a Ph.D.), its mission is:

“to commemorate the ideals and concerns of Woodrow Wilson by: providing a link between the world of ideas and the world of policy; and fostering research, study, discussion, and collaboration among a full spectrum of individuals concerned with policy and scholarship in national and world affairs.”[1]

34 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:53:52am

After all, only Presidents who think like us deserve to have memorials.

35 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:55:30am

re: #31 sattv4u2

Heh, don’t get me wrong. The crime bosses ought to be prosecuted. The FBI ought to continue its anti-mafia work (except, of course, with the RSC cuts the FBI won’t have the resources to do it…)

I just think such actions have very little deterrence to actual crime.

36 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:57:15am

re: #33 freetoken

Here’s an example:

Well, that’ll make Glen Beck happy.

For reference:

Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars

Pennies. Here are the realities.

The NYT today broaches what was unthinkable only a few weeks ago;

Path Is Sought for States to Escape Debt Burdens

Policy makers are working behind the scenes to come up with a way to let states declare bankruptcy and get out from under crushing debts, including the pensions they have promised to retired public workers.

37 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:58:10am

re: #35 freetoken

Heh, don’t get me wrong. The crime bosses ought to be prosecuted. The FBI ought to continue its anti-mafia work (except, of course, with the RSC cuts the FBI won’t have the resources to do it…)

I just think such actions have very little deterrence to actual crime.

It’s sort of encouraging that they had the resources to divert from national security work.

38 researchok  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:59:20am

I’m outta here.

The beast needs to be fed.

Later, all.

39 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 4:59:32am

re: #36 researchok

Pennies. Here are the realities.

The NYT today broaches what was unthinkable only a few weeks ago;

Path Is Sought for States to Escape Debt Burdens

It’s possible that we don’t have the optimum number of states for a 21st century world.

40 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:00:44am

re: #35 freetoken

I just think such actions have very little deterrence to actual crime.

Where did I say it did?

41 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:04:13am

re: #39 Decatur Deb

It’s possible that we don’t have the optimum number of states for a 21st century world.

I would be in favor of the Feds bailing out states on a loan basis IF the state was to show a plan towards fiscal changes (much like a business under reorganization)

42 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:04:41am

re: #36 researchok

Speaking of “pennies”, look at this significant cut by the RSC:

John C. Stennis Center Subsidy. $430,000 annual savings.

Wow. $430,000. That’s something like $.001 per person in this country.

For what sin did the John C. Stennis Center do to deserve being on the short list (less than two pages) of cuts listed by the RSC?

Why, it exists to train young people to be better leaders in government.

43 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:09:03am

re: #42 freetoken

Speaking of “pennies”, look at this significant cut by the RSC:


Wow. $430,000. That’s something like $.001 per person in this country.

For what sin did the John C. Stennis Center do to deserve being on the short list (less than two pages) of cuts listed by the RSC?

Why, it exists to train young people to be better leaders in government.

Sorry, but I’ve never understood the “it’s only $XX amount” mentality

When you’re hemorraging money, when you’re in debt up to your eyeballs (and trust me,,, I’ve Been There/ Done That/ Got the T-Shirt) every nickle counts

I’m sure there are other places that are NON Gov’t funded that can and do “train young people to be better leaders in government.

44 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:09:06am

re: #39 Decatur Deb

Unfortunately history has weight, a lot of it, and the die is cast regarding states in this union.

Several states are too small for this day in age, but there is nothing that can be done to that as the State level is the fundamental organizational level of this country and one would need a whole new constitution to change things.

And in today’s climate the last thing we need is another constitutional convention.

45 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:11:50am

re: #22 freetoken

BTW, I looked at the Republican Study Committee proposal (now online).

100% ideological sales pitch to their funders/groupies, mostly composed of extreme social conservatives. Total avoidance of the real big budget items in federal dole.

I see a lot of good stuff in there. I would agree with an argument that it didn’t go far enough in cutting social security/Medicare/Pentagon spending. I don’t think anyone is making the argument anymore that we aren’t going to cut spending. At least we now have a starting point for the argument.

46 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:12:13am

re: #43 sattv4u2

Sorry, but I’ve never understood the “it’s only $XX amount” mentality

Because it demonstrates that the tea partying RSC are just engaged in demagogic tokenism.

47 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:12:45am

re: #36 researchok

Pennies. Here are the realities.

The NYT today broaches what was unthinkable only a few weeks ago;

Path Is Sought for States to Escape Debt Burdens

That story can’t be accurate. I’ve been assured many times that the pension crisis is a right wing fraud.

48 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:13:09am

re: #46 freetoken

Because it demonstrates that the tea partying RSC are just engaged in demagogic tokenism.

{sigh}

49 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:13:43am

re: #39 Decatur Deb

It’s possible that we don’t have the optimum number of states for a 21st century world.

That is an interesting thought.

50 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:14:41am

And, btw, it wasn’t “$XX” per person, it was $.001 per person.

A tenth of a penny per American.

re: #48 sattv4u2


You can sigh all you want, but the RSC is out of its mind, and so are many of its supporters.

51 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:15:30am

re: #50 freetoken

And, btw, it wasn’t “$XX” per person, it was $.001 per person.

A tenth of a penny per American.


You can sigh all you want, but the RSC is out of its mind, and so are many of its supporters.

waytomissthepoint!

52 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:19:00am

re: #39 Decatur Deb

Indianapolis went to a consolidated form of government in the early 70’s that allowed the city to prosper while other large cities in the nation went through the decline of the 70’s/80’s so maybe a state consolidation might not be a bad idea. What states would you suggest we might not actually need?

53 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:22:24am

re: #8 BigPapa

wow another article about my profession by a non-expert with a job writing for a newspaper.

I got three words: hire a pro.

That guy is out of his mind. We have some fancy remote that does absolutely everything (and my husband has 50 million things hooked up to our t.v. in some fantastic configuration of wires and connectors and stuff).

54 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:29:32am

re: #53 Sionainn

That guy is out of his mind. We have some fancy remote that does absolutely everything (and my husband has 50 million things hooked up to our t.v. in some fantastic configuration of wires and connectors and stuff).

Can you have it drive over to my house and sweep/ mop the floors, vacuum the rugs and do the windows? Oh ,,and while it’s at it, have it fix me a Vodka Martini!!

55 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:38:07am

Hi all. Morning.

It snowed a lot last night. I actually have to go somewhere today which means blowing out the driveway. Think I’m going to hold off for a bit and see if the magic snowblowing elf comes and takes care of it.

56 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:39:40am

re: #44 freetoken

Unfortunately history has weight, a lot of it, and the die is cast regarding states in this union.

Several states are too small for this day in age, but there is nothing that can be done to that as the State level is the fundamental organizational level of this country and one would need a whole new constitution to change things.

And in today’s climate the last thing we need is another constitutional convention.

Jon Stewart had a discussion of mergers and acquisitions last night.

57 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:43:02am

re: #55 Jadespring

Hi all. Morning.

It snowed a lot last night. I actually have to go somewhere today which means blowing out the driveway. Think I’m going to hold off for a bit and see if the magic snowblowing elf comes and takes care of it.

Sorry, but he’s busy skiing in Vermont!

58 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:43:25am

re: #52 RogueOne

Indianapolis went to a consolidated form of government in the early 70’s that allowed the city to prosper while other large cities in the nation went through the decline of the 70’s/80’s so maybe a state consolidation might not be a bad idea. What states would you suggest we might not actually need?

In the ’60s, my college was looking at regionalization, proposing that there are actually about 11 natural super-states in the country. PA could easily be the focus of OH, PA, NJ, DE, NY. IIRC the biggest change was that the 18th century used rivers as boundaries, when they are actually integrating forces.

59 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:44:11am

re: #57 sattv4u2

Sorry, but he’s busy skiing in Vermont!

But, but he was around yesterday… :(

60 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:44:16am

re: #55 Jadespring

Hi all. Morning.

It snowed a lot last night. I actually have to go somewhere today which means blowing out the driveway. Think I’m going to hold off for a bit and see if the magic snowblowing elf comes and takes care of it.

Just use my remote control.

61 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:45:38am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

That’s what I was thinking, keeping the current boundaries would be a problem with consolidation. You couldn’t just merge two states, you would have to take specific areas and ignore the boundaries.

62 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:45:44am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

That kind of idea came up during the Carter years, especially when he floated the idea of moving part of the federal government out of DC area.

The idea, IIRC, was that states would be grouped into regions, a kind of super-state area for purposes of some governance.

If NAFTA is on the ropes, and the yahoos are still screaming about NAU conspiracies, I suspect any idea to fudge over state borders is a no-go.

63 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:45:54am

re: #52 RogueOne

What states would you suggest we might not actually need?

My fathers been pissed at Wisconsin ever since they stole the Boston Braves back in 1952, so we could start there!!!

64 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:46:08am

re: #60 Sionainn

Just use my remote control.

Hey that’s an idea. I should invent a snow blowing machine that you can control from inside the house or make it like one of those vaccuming robot things.

65 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:49:23am

re: #60 Sionainn

Just use my remote control.

HEY ,, I have dibs on it 1st for my house cleaning!!!

66 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:50:40am

re: #62 freetoken

That kind of idea came up during the Carter years, especially when he floated the idea of moving part of the federal government out of DC area.

The idea, IIRC, was that states would be grouped into regions, a kind of super-state area for purposes of some governance.

If NAFTA is on the ropes, and the yahoos are still screaming about NAU conspiracies, I suspect any idea to fudge over state borders is a no-go.

Those federal regions actually made it into use. Not all agencies use them much (DoD), but most do. Often a federal agency like Labor doesn’t seem to realize it is operating in the same regional mode as another, like HHS. Atlanta functions as a shadow federal “capitol” for our region (IV).

67 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:55:46am

re: #64 Jadespring

Hey that’s an idea. I should invent a snow blowing machine that you can control from inside the house or make it like one of those vaccuming robot things.

My wife has one of those

It’s called ,, well,,, ME!!

68 andres  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:56:09am

re: #43 sattv4u2

Sorry, but I’ve never understood the “it’s only $XX amount” mentality

When you’re hemorraging money, when you’re in debt up to your eyeballs (and trust me,,, I’ve Been There/ Done That/ Got the T-Shirt) every nickle counts

I’m sure there are other places that are NON Gov’t funded that can and do “train young people to be better leaders in government.

Every penny counts. I won’t question that. But when all budget cuts are done on penny-sized items only, to pay a huge debt (like the USA debt), you either need to cut A) thousands of penny-sized items or B) look hard at the bigger sized items to cut from.

Cutting penny-sized items is the easy way out: I doubt the USA budget has enough of these to balance it.

69 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:56:31am

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Those federal regions actually made it into use. Not all agencies use them much (DoD), but most do. Often a federal agency like Labor doesn’t seem to realize it is operating in the same regional mode as another, like HHS. Atlanta functions as a shadow federal “capitol” for our region (IV).

I was going to ask whether there wasn’t already de-facto type regionalism already going on with gov’t agencies whether official or unofficial. Economic wise as well.

70 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:56:40am

Anyone else impressed with the Wal-Mart PR win this week? These changes cost them nothing, 90% of suppliers will do whatever it takes to make Wal-Mart happy. They’ve already made it into chicago, finally, and now NYC is next. They have the best and most modern distribution system and loss control on the planet, they already make neighborhoods healthier, they had Hillary on their board and now the First Lady. Wal-Mart is a machine, bow down now!

71 freetoken  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:57:32am

The Iowa caucuses are warming up:

DES MOINES, Iowa. (KTIV)—Expect at least five “potential” presidential candidates on one northwest Iowa college campus over the next few months.

The Family Leader, headed by Bob Vander Plaats, has announced Dordt College, in Sioux Center, will host its “presidential lecture series”.

So who has committed to the lecture series?

Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, who will speak at Dordt on Feb. 7th, former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann, and businessman and radio host Herman Cain.

Dordt is actually one of three sites each speaker will fly to during their day long visits.

Those visits will come once a month through August.

The lecture series will wrap up with a debate on Nov. 19th in central Iowa.

Vander Plaats lost the GOP nomination for Iowa governor last year (the winner of the GOP race was a former governor also, and won the election.) He is among the most die-hard of dominionists. We’ve written about him before.

So he is now looking to steer Iowa politics via the GOP caucuses: desmoinesregister.com

His new group, The Family Leader, is a real piece of work. Their main purpose is to be an anti-gay organization, it appears. They want to get rid of the rest of the IA supreme court justices who went with the decision allowing gay marriages to proceed.

Here’s an example of what The Family Leader produces:
secondhandeffects.com [warning, bigoted material.]

Here’s their parent organization:
ifpcaction.org

So those GOP hopefuls in the quoted story above, now you know how and from whom they will get support to become president.

72 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:57:33am

re: #65 sattv4u2

HEY ,, I have dibs on it 1st for my house cleaning!!!

Good luck with that. Between the two kids, husband, and a golden retriever (which has to be the most sheddingist dog ever), the remote is busy all the time.

73 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:58:06am

re: #67 sattv4u2

My wife has one of those

It’s called ,, well,,, ME!!

Well then I need one of you too. Ever think about going into mass production and franchizing?

74 dmon  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:58:53am

re: #72 Sionainn

We had a golden that lived to 16…..he was the sheddingest dog I have ever seen.

75 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:00:27am

re: #51 sattv4u2

waytomissthepoint!

I would respectfully suggest that it is you who miss the point.

The problem with suggestions like cutting the Stennis center (about which I have no opinion, since I have no idea whether what it does brings us as taxpayers good value) isn’t that we ought not cut, it is that a bunch of cuts that are, in sum, not financially meaningful are being presented as if they are meaningful. Cutting a bunch of .002 cent programs and declaring victory does not solve the problem, unless the problem you are trying to solve is purely a PR one.

Matching rhetoric to actions means, in the context of making meaningful progress against the Federal deficit, tackling entitlements, the military budget and the revenue side of the ledger. Proposals that fail to do so are exercises in political kubuki that deserve our contempt.

76 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:00:51am

re: #74 dmon

We had a golden that lived to 16…he was the sheddingest dog I have ever seen.

Oh, she smells, too, within a couple of days after going to the groomer and by three weeks, it’s overwhelming. Anyone have any suggestions?

77 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:01:27am

re: #69 Jadespring

I was going to ask whether there wasn’t already de-facto type regionalism already going on with gov’t agencies whether official or unofficial. Economic wise as well.

Here’s the regional map:

Image: File:Federal_Standard_Regions_map.png

And, yes, the black helicopter crowd are aware of the treason behind it (site is a cache for safety):

google.com

78 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:01:28am

I can’t believe Miss Arkansas didn’t win. Yodeling puppets? that’s talent.

Youtube Video

Is it wrong to be slightly aroused?

79 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:01:48am

re: #68 andres

Every penny counts. I won’t question that. But when all budget cuts are done on penny-sized items only, to pay a huge debt (like the USA debt), you either need to cut A) thousands of penny-sized items or B) look hard at the bigger sized items to cut from.

Cutting penny-sized items is the easy way out: I doubt the USA budget has enough of these to balance it.

I agree. But I would do BOTH

I’m willing to bet lots of those “penny-sized items” are duplicated services, overlapping agencies, ect

When I was in my financial hard times, I did both small and large item cuts and eliminations and alterations. Thats my point

80 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:02:45am

re: #78 RogueOne

I can’t believe Miss Arkansas didn’t win. Yodeling puppets? that’s talent.


[Video]Is it wrong to be slightly aroused?

Seemed a bit wooden to me.

81 BishopX  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:03:26am

re: #79 sattv4u2

On a two page list any item under 10 billion is just propaganda.

82 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:03:28am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

BOOO!

83 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:04:21am

re: #73 Jadespring

Well then I need one of you too. Ever think about going into mass production and franchizing?

Nope ,,, I’m a one-of-a-kind original!

84 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:06:08am

Good Morning
Gov. Jerry Brown simply must re-instate his personal security force, customarily CHP. There are explicit threats to kill him on a specific date in February. The threats were graffiti on a wall with a nazi symbol. Scary times.

85 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:07:11am

re: #81 BishopX

On a two page list any item under 10 billion is just propaganda.

or a start

Point being, my #43 wasn’t talking about the RSC report. It was a general comment on how to trim/ save money. Again, when you’re hemorrhaging monies and in debt up to your assets, every cut counts

86 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:07:37am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Here’s the regional map:

Image: File:Federal_Standard_Regions_map.png

And, yes, the black helicopter crowd are aware of the treason behind it (site is a cache for safety):

[Link: www.google.com…]

You were right the first time: this is a political dead letter. The only way to do it is to amend the Constitution, and there is no way that happens. Imagine the Senate voting to cut its own size? NFW.

And a Constitutional Convention would be an incredible train wreck. Every tin foil hat dude in America would show up.

87 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:08:44am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Here’s the regional map:

Image: File:Federal_Standard_Regions_map.png

And, yes, the black helicopter crowd are aware of the treason behind it (site is a cache for safety):

Oh for Pete’s sake. Get lives people….or at least come into the real world.

I wondering if there’s any correlation or perhaps insight to some of the more economic ties in terms of the private sector function. I’m thinking of national companies like Walmart and their management divisions and regional supply chain centers. Not a Walmart bashing thing but it is one of the largest national economic actors right now. Their ‘economy’ is bigger them some states and heck a whole lot of countries.
Oil companies and distribution is another.

88 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:08:44am

re: #75 garhighway

I agree that they need to go after everything including entitlements but there are some decent sized cuts in their proposal with cutting discretionary spending to 2006 numbers being the largest. The smaller programs might be red meat for their base but it does add up to $330B, that’s not small change. OTOH, had they added entitlements into their cuts you and I both know the accusations of “balancing the budget on the backs of the poor” would come raining down.

89 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:10:11am

re: #86 garhighway

You were right the first time: this is a political dead letter. The only way to do it is to amend the Constitution, and there is no way that happens. Imagine the Senate voting to cut its own size? NFW.

And a Constitutional Convention would be an incredible train wreck. Every tin foil hat dude in America would show up.

Rhode Island is too big to fail.

90 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:12:09am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Rhode Island is too big to fail.

My backyard is bigger than RI.
;)

91 BishopX  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:12:31am

I do think that expanding the number of house seats might be a good idea. Reducing the constituent/representative ratio can be a good way of increasing peoples participation in government. 1001 seat house of representatives anyone?

92 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:12:55am

re: #86 garhighway

It would never happen but consolidation is an interesting thought. I hadn’t considered that there would need to be changes to the constitution regarding representation. If it were a serious proposal that fight alone would take decades.

93 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:13:04am

re: #87 Jadespring

Oh for Pete’s sake. Get lives people…or at least come into the real world.

I wondering if there’s any correlation or perhaps insight to some of the more economic ties in terms of the private sector function. I’m thinking of national companies like Walmart and their management divisions and regional supply chain centers. Not a Walmart bashing thing but it is one of the largest national economic actors right now. Their ‘economy’ is bigger them some states and heck a whole lot of countries.
Oil companies and distribution is another.

Yeah—it’s a technocrat’s wet dream. IIRC, we played an IBM-card based computer game called “River Valley” that simulated the operation of such a region.

94 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:15:57am

re: #92 RogueOne

It would never happen but consolidation is an interesting thought. I hadn’t considered that there would need to be changes to the constitution regarding representation. If it were a serious proposal that fight alone would take decades.

Unless some future imbalance left the Executive Branch vastly powerful, while the impoverished state governments shrunk to bathtub size. Then all the constitutional trappings would stay in place while the Regional Coordinator made things happen. I have bad thoughts.

95 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:16:52am

How much do you think the Chinese would credit us off the debt we owe them if we gave them California?
//

96 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:17:08am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Unless some future imbalance left the Executive Branch vastly powerful, while the impoverished state governments shrunk to bathtub size. Then all the constitutional trappings would stay in place while the Regional Coordinator made things happen. I have bad thoughts.

I claim region III in the name of Cthulhu!

97 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:19:46am

re: #96 Varek Raith

I claim region III in the name of Cthulhu!

You have to role an 11 across both die before staking claims to regions greater than the size of X (if x-z+y/population density).

98 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:20:26am

re: #95 sattv4u2

How much do you think the Chinese would credit us off the debt we owe them if we gave them California?
//

At this rate is looks like it would be a redo of the Louisiana Purchase. I’m willing to give them Kentucky although CA would be a better fit for them.

99 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:21:25am

re: #97 wozzablog

You have to role an 11 across both die before staking claims to regions greater than the size of X (if x-z+y/population density).

Whoa, I think you just out-nerded Varek.//

100 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:22:05am

re: #97 wozzablog

You have to role an 11 across both die before staking claims to regions greater than the size of X (if x-z+y/population density).

*Rolls 20 sided die*
2…
Dammit!

101 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:22:57am

re: #100 Varek Raith

*Rolls 20 sided die*
2…
Dammit!

Congratulations - you win RI.

102 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:23:01am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Yeah—it’s a technocrat’s wet dream. IIRC, we played an IBM-card based computer game called “River Valley” that simulated the operation of such a region.

I guess though with the private sector the ‘economically’ tied regions wouldn’t just be based with the country borders but internationally. So RI for instance in terms of ‘economics’ could be tied to Asia/China and SA to some extent. I know for instance in the case of BC the economic region is tied more to Asia then say the Maritimes. I supposed that’s why there’s international orgs like APEC.

I wonder if anyone has taken the time to map this all out. Would be an interesting visual to see essentially a corporate/economic map of the world.

103 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:23:16am

re: #99 RogueOne

Whoa, I think you just out-nerded Varek.//

Got to atleast try now and again ;-)

104 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:23:30am

re: #101 wozzablog

Congratulations - you win RI.

Aw, come on!
Don’t I get a save or something?!

105 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:24:15am

re: #88 RogueOne

OTOH, had they added entitlements into their cuts you and I both know the accusations of “balancing the budget on the backs of the poor” would come raining down.

Either they are serious about this or they aren’t. Being serious means proposing things that are going to be painful and then being willing to stand up for those ideas and suffer that pain.

A while back, Esquire magazine convened two Republicans and two Democrats to look at the problem, and they got it done. But they: 1> were willing to tackle the big issues, and 2> weren’t running for re-election.

They proposed some stuff I didn’t like, but as I said, there’s no honest way to get there that doesn’t kill somebody’s favorite deal.

Their article:

esquire.com

106 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:25:23am

re: #103 wozzablog

Got to atleast try now and again ;-)

I didn’t think it was possible! I guess it’s like Rex Ryan being a better coach than bill belichick for just one day.

107 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:25:51am

re: #102 Jadespring

I guess though with the private sector the ‘economically’ tied regions wouldn’t just be based with the country borders but internationally. So RI for instance in terms of ‘economics’ could be tied to Asia/China and SA to some extent. I know for instance in the case of BC the economic region is tied more to Asia then say the Maritimes. I supposed that’s why there’s international orgs like APEC.

I wonder if anyone has taken the time to map this all out. Would be an interesting visual to see essentially a corporate/economic map of the world.

“Cartographers for Social Responsibility”
West Wing

108 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:25:53am

re: #104 Varek Raith

Aw, come on!
Don’t I get a save or something?!

I can deal you a save card to be used for the increase of the bid by no greater than WY.

109 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:26:22am

re: #92 RogueOne

It would never happen but consolidation is an interesting thought. I hadn’t considered that there would need to be changes to the constitution regarding representation. If it were a serious proposal that fight alone would take decades.

I have seen proposals that would consolidate some of the western states. (Four Senators for the two Dakotas no longer seems to make a lot of sense to me, as an example.) But the politics makes it impossible.

110 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:26:54am

re: #108 wozzablog

I can deal you a save card to be used for the increase of the bid by no greater than WY.

Fair enough I suppose.

111 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:27:55am

re: #106 RogueOne

I didn’t think it was possible! I guess it’s like Rex Ryan being a better coach than bill belichick for just one day.

I will take that as a copmpliment, i think.

Being a Miami Dolphins fan i know very little about the intricasies of football :p

112 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:28:45am

re: #105 garhighway

I agree but we already started seeing the meme develop that they were going to cut programs important to the poor and minorities because they want school kids to starve…

I’m hoping this is a feint to force the hand of the opposition to make it seem like they were forced into cutting entitlements and the military. I have hope but I’m not holding my breath.

113 thedopefishlives  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:29:06am

Morning Lizardim. Happy coldest day of the winter to everyone, as this year’s arctic blast finally arrives and bathes the Twin Cities in temperatures below -20 F (-28 C). And strangely enough, I actually kinda _like_ this kind of cold.

114 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:29:17am

re: #102 Jadespring

I guess though with the private sector the ‘economically’ tied regions wouldn’t just be based with the country borders but internationally. So RI for instance in terms of ‘economics’ could be tied to Asia/China and SA to some extent. I know for instance in the case of BC the economic region is tied more to Asia then say the Maritimes. I supposed that’s why there’s international orgs like APEC.

I wonder if anyone has taken the time to map this all out. Would be an interesting visual to see essentially a corporate/economic map of the world.

I’ve heard that the Alaska crab caught in the real-life “Deadliest Catch” makes a processing trip to China on its way to Louisiana restaurants. Might even be true.

115 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:29:22am

re: #110 Varek Raith

Fair enough I suppose.

Or exhange the save card - disown RI and role again for a chance to obtain Delaware or Oregon….

116 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:29:26am

Not economic maps but kinda cool anyways.

www-personal.umich.edu

117 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:30:12am

re: #111 wozzablog

I will take that as a copmpliment, i think.

Being a Miami Dolphins fan i know very little about the intricasies of football :p

It was a backhanded compliment and a dig at Varek for being the nerd god he is, NTTAWWT.//

118 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:30:22am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

“Cartographers for Social Responsibility”
West Wing

I miss the West Wing. What a great show that was.

119 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:31:17am

re: #117 RogueOne

It was a backhanded compliment and a dig at Varek for being the nerd god he is, NTTAWWT.//

Fair enough sir, fair enough.

120 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:31:18am

re: #116 Jadespring

Bookmarked. Thanks.

121 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:31:57am

re: #118 garhighway

I miss the West Wing. What a great show that was.

Martin Sheen misses being the President!

122 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:32:34am

I have a report to write on the spending of some £8,000 at my sports club.

Not enjoying dealing with the money, but no-one else wanted the responsibillity, and so we go.

123 Wozza Matter?  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:33:12am

re: #122 wozzablog

That being the reason i am now exiting the thread forthwith and henceforth until later :0

124 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:34:08am

re: #118 garhighway

I miss the West Wing. What a great show that was.

I’d expect a big overlap between LGF and West Wing fans.

125 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:34:23am

re: #112 RogueOne

I agree but we already started seeing the meme develop that they were going to cut programs important to the poor and minorities because they want school kids to starve…

I’m hoping this is a feint to force the hand of the opposition to make it seem like they were forced into cutting entitlements and the military. I have hope but I’m not holding my breath.

I don’t think it is a bad thing to have an honest debate on the role of government in our society, and that includes an honest debate on our responsibilities to the less fortunate and how we pay for those responsibilities. (Remember “the safety net” that Reagan talked about?)

We’ll never have that debate if we dance around it. It will be a messy, noisy painful debate, but it is one we have to have. Ducking it accomplishes nothing.

126 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:35:59am

re: #125 garhighway

I…snip…It will be a messy, noisy painful debate, but it is one we have to have. Ducking it accomplishes nothing.

Except re-election.

127 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:36:32am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

I’d expect a big overlap between LGF and West Wing fans.

Aaron Sorkin writes the best dialogue. The Social Network was great. Sportsnight was great. I even liked Studio 60.

128 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:38:08am

This morning’s Krugman:

nytimes.com

It’s a little dry, unless you are into reading about the Chinese economy.

129 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:38:15am

Time to do some PT. “Pedal or Die.” BBL

130 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:38:30am

re: #122 wozzablog

I have a report to write on the spending of some £8,000 at my sports club.

Not enjoying dealing with the money, but no-one else wanted the responsibillity, and so we go.

Go out on a limb and propose putting it on the Chicago Bears.

131 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:41:04am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Bookmarked. Thanks.

This site is even better. Tons of different map.
mapsofworld.com

Like beer consumption. US and Canada not in the top ten. Biggest beer consumption? Czech Republic! The Ireland and Germany.

mapsofworld.com

Frozen Food

mapsofworld.com


Baked beans. Ireland wins!

mapsofworld.com

132 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:41:41am

re: #130 RogueOne

Speaking of which, what a great couple of games this weekend. The results should make for a great Super Bowl.

133 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:41:44am

re: #128 garhighway

This morning’s Krugman:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

It’s a little dry, unless you are into reading about the Chinese economy.

Does it have a map that goes with it?

134 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:43:04am

re: #133 Jadespring

Does it have a map that goes with it?

No. It’s dry.

No maps, no pie, no nothing.

135 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:46:55am

Great, another opportunity for parents to teach their kids that it is acceptable to voluntarily give up their civil rights:

N.J. Town To Vote On Middle School Drug Tests
newyork.cbslocal.com


A proposal to conduct random drug tests of young students in one New Jersey town is raising some eyebrows.
….
The Board of Education will vote Wednesday on a plan to randomly test sixth, seventh and eighth graders to see if they are under the influence of drugs. School administrators said they were confident the proposal would pass.
….
The program is voluntary and both parents and students must consent. School officials said it was important to note that if a student tested positive, they would not be suspended or have the results sent to the police.

136 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:49:52am

Woo found a Walmart map. The globe based on where products are sourced from. Not surprisingly China is fricken huge.

benjaminedwards.net

Top Five: China, US, Mexico, Pakistan(!) and Bangladesh.

The map is a few years old. I wonder if Pakistan is still in 4th place.

137 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:50:00am

re: #133 Jadespring

Does it have a map that goes with it?

XKCD does maps today:

xkcd.com

BBL

138 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:50:10am

Update on the Mayor Calvo lawsuit against Prince George County:

Unnecessary Roughness
washingtonian.com


The 39-year-old Berwyn Heights mayor is bringing his grievance with the county back into the spotlight with a lawsuit against the sheriff’s office and police department. Unless the case settles before then, court proceedings begin on Monday, January 24. Though Calvo is seeking damages, he says the suit isn’t about financial restitution but about shedding light on and changing both departments’ policies when it comes to the use of SWAT teams and treatment of animals.

***

What happened on the evening of July 29, 2008, at Calvo’s home was well covered by local and national media: After walking his dogs, Calvo brought in a package addressed to his wife, Trinity Tomsic, thinking it was a shipment of gardening supplies. He was wrong. The package contained 32 pounds of marijuana that had been intercepted by Prince George’s police and then delivered to his home. Calvo was upstairs changing when he heard his mother-in-law, Georgia Porter, scream. The Prince George’s Sheriff’s Office SWAT team had burst through the front door and fatally shot both dogs. Tomsic came home to find Calvo and Porter handcuffed, pleading their innocence.

139 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:51:30am

re: #136 Jadespring

I’ve noticed a lot of tags in other stores lately from Pakistan and Vietnam. Not sure how I feel about trade with Vietnam.

140 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:54:47am

Oh hai honcos.

I iz a mass of pains. Last night I was too shocked to really feel it. I made an appt. to see my doctor this morning and popped a Vico.

It hurts the most where the steering wheel slammed into my rib cage. The piece of shit car had no airbags which could have caused a lot more damage.

I’m thinking Ford Escape for my new ride.

141 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:56:32am

re: #139 RogueOne

I’ve noticed a lot of tags in other stores lately from Pakistan and Vietnam. Not sure how I feel about trade with Vietnam.

Why’s that?

142 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:58:14am

re: #140 Alouette

Feel better… and I’ve been eyeing the Escape Hybrid for a while as a possible next lawmobile. Either that or a Subaru Outback - want something with good mileage and can move stuff..

143 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 6:58:47am

re: #140 Alouette

I hope your recovery is swift and complete.

144 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:00:47am

re: #141 Jadespring

Why’s that?

For the same reason I have an issue with trading with China. What reforms, if any, are we getting for our dollars? China has the advantage of being another super power we want to make nice with but what does Vietnam bring to the table besides cheap labor? Plus that whole Vietnam war thing wasn’t that long ago and I don’t have a problem holding a grudge.

145 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:02:08am

re: #142 lawhawk

Feel better… and I’ve been eyeing the Escape Hybrid for a while as a possible next lawmobile. Either that or a Subaru Outback - want something with good mileage and can move stuff..

That’s how I’m picking my next wife…

146 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:02:34am

re: #145 RogueOne

Good luck with that.

147 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:04:00am

South Korean Navy frees crew of a hijacked chemical tanker, taking a bunch of pirates into custody in the Arabian Sea.

South Korean naval special forces stormed a hijacked ship early Friday and rescued 21 sailors and killed a number of pirates in the Arabian Sea.

Five suspected kidnappers were captured.

President Lee Myung-bak went live on national television to announce the successful conclusion of the five-hour operation, 1,300 kilometers northeast of Somalia.

Mr. Lee told the country South Korea will not tolerate future attacks on any of its nationals.

148 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:05:58am

B of A continues to struggle with the residue from Countrywide:

dealbook.nytimes.com

That may have been the dumbest deal Ken Lewis did. And he did some dumb ones.

149 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:06:12am

re: #144 RogueOne

For the same reason I have an issue with trading with China. What reforms, if any, are we getting for our dollars? China has the advantage of being another super power we want to make nice with but what does Vietnam bring to the table besides cheap labor? Plus that whole Vietnam war thing wasn’t that long ago and I don’t have a problem holding a grudge.

In the world of economics cheap labor, cheap resources and cheaper stuff pretty much rules the day. So yeah you nailed it, that’s what it brings. It doesn’t really have to do much else but that.

150 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:10:52am

re: #149 Jadespring

I think it should be more than that. If they want access to our markets and our money what are they willing to do for it? In almost all the areas I work if a developer wants to build something they have to add in some form of neighborhood improvements. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for some form of improvements in the area of civil rights for their citizens, even if it’s just token reforms at least it would be a start.

151 iossarian  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:13:54am

re: #150 RogueOne

I think it should be more than that. If they want access to our markets and our money what are they willing to do for it? In almost all the areas I work if a developer wants to build something they have to add in some form of neighborhood improvements. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for some form of improvements in the area of civil rights for their citizens, even if it’s just token reforms at least it would be a start.

I am completely down with this.

152 iossarian  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:14:38am

OT: Does anyone else think that the Rick Santorum pic from two threads ago has more than a touch of the Chevy Chases about it?

153 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:17:20am

re: #150 RogueOne

I think it should be more than that. If they want access to our markets and our money what are they willing to do for it? In almost all the areas I work if a developer wants to build something they have to add in some form of neighborhood improvements. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for some form of improvements in the area of civil rights for their citizens, even if it’s just token reforms at least it would be a start.

Just be ready for the reciprocal requests: “you can’t sell to us if you don’t afford gays equal rights” (for example). That would give Air France a better reason than usual to buy Airbus and not Boeing.

154 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:21:44am

re: #153 garhighway

Just be ready for the reciprocal requests: “you can’t sell to us if you don’t afford gays equal rights” (for example). That would give Air France a better reason than usual to buy Airbus and not Boeing.

Along similar lines, here’s another potential risk the US faces, particularly if the GOP’s war on climate science continues to be successful:

Leading climate change economist warns U.S. of trade boycott

A British climate change economist at the heart of international negotiations seeking a greenhouse gas deal said Friday that the U.S. faces a trade boycott if it fails to rein in its carbon emissions.

How bitterly ironic would it be if China’s goods wind up being cleaner than America’s? :/

155 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:23:00am

re: #150 RogueOne

I think it should be more than that. If they want access to our markets and our money what are they willing to do for it? In almost all the areas I work if a developer wants to build something they have to add in some form of neighborhood improvements. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for some form of improvements in the area of civil rights for their citizens, even if it’s just token reforms at least it would be a start.

Well I agree that would be nice and it’s a good argument but it’s an argument based on the assumption of who holds the power in the relationship basically that we’re doing them a favor. It’s a political argument. In the case of somewhere like Vietnam the fact that they can make stuff, cheap is a power position. It’s also not nescessarily them that is looking for access and saying “help us help us.” It’s big companies looking for access to their sources because it’s good for the bottom line, a two way street, so it’s them working out the deals, not the politicians and they lobby both governments to make sure they happen if there are any political issues that get in the way.

156 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:23:16am

re: #153 garhighway

The reciprocation is the money involved. We have the biggest checkbook on the planet. I’m not suggesting we should insist on open and free elections or even religious freedoms but they could give us something. I mean, Come on!

South Park Video

157 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:28:15am

OT:

Just had to rant a little about the idiocy witnessed this AM… was commuting into work by train as usual this morning and the snow had just let up. 5 inches of the white stuff were on the ground, and I had just crossed the train tracks to the boarding area when the crossing gates went down to signal that a train was coming through.

The crossing area was quite slippery as the snow was still there, along with ice and slush that had been swept around the side.

The train that was coming wasn’t a local that would stop in the station, but an express - meaning it was going at a pretty good clip - 50-60 mph.

Yet, this middle-aged woman decided to go under the gate to cross. I yelled at her to stop since it was an express but she pooh-poohed my warning and managed to cross with about 10 seconds to spare. One slip and she would have been a red stain for a mile down the track because there was no way for the train to slow and stop in time.

She walked past me and shrugged her shoulder.. Other people who saw this saw me and just shook their heads.

Oh, and the kicker was that the train we were waiting for was delayed, so there was no need to rush across anyway. What a frakking idiot.

/rant off.

158 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:32:51am

re: #155 Jadespring

Their cheap labor isn’t a necessity. That’s what we have Mexico for…

I lost the site for a bit, anyone else?

159 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:33:28am

re: #156 RogueOne

The reciprocation is the money involved. We have the biggest checkbook on the planet. I’m not suggesting we should insist on open and free elections or even religious freedoms but they could give us something. I mean, Come on!

[Link: www.southparkstudios.com…]

I think you’re under an illusion of who is holding the actual purse strings. It isn’t the the political state or the government. It’s the economic actors that have the money and thats where the power lies.

160 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:42:10am

re: #158 RogueOne

Their cheap labor isn’t a necessity. That’s what we have Mexico for…

I lost the site for a bit, anyone else?

Yep I lost it.

I would disagree though, labor costs are a main factor coupled with the on in country regulatory regimes. If you look back at the history of sourcing and manufacture big companies have a history of moving around to take advantage of labor costs.

161 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:46:21am

French Foreign Minister attacked entering Gaza by protesters who thought that she called the capture of an Israeli soldier (that would be Gilad Shalit) was a war crime. That statement, made by Shalit’s father, was misattributed to the French Foreign Minister.

162 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:51:44am

re: #156 RogueOne

The reciprocation is the money involved. We have the biggest checkbook on the planet. I’m not suggesting we should insist on open and free elections or even religious freedoms but they could give us something. I mean, Come on!

[Link: www.southparkstudios.com…]

Do you really want the Federal Government making those sorts of decisions? “Sorry, you can’t expand your plant in Vietnam (or fill in the blank with some other country’s name) or you can’t buy from a favored supplier any more because they are on a list of countries we don’t like today.”

We do that now some: OFAC and such. But currently it is pretty manageable. The more political that gets, the weirder it gets. And remember, there is zero guarantee that the guys drawing up that list will share your political views and outlook. Sometimes they will, and you will think the list makes sense, and sometimes they won’t and you will be forbidden from doing business with someone you like for reasons you hate.

Be careful what you wish for.

163 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:56:11am

re: #160 Jadespring

Our trade agreement with Vietnam was based strictly on tariffs and removal of certain subsidies. I don’t believe that is enough. Personally I think our trade policies should be tied to our national security goals. In the long run it’s a whole lot cheaper to affect change with trade than with military methods. I understand the demands of US businesses but if they don’t like it too damn bad. If we don’t want to outlaw companies doing business with certain governments then we’re well within our rights to make sure it’s costly for those companies that do.

164 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:58:38am

From the Columbia Journalism Review:

In a year, Fox News has gone from the most trusted to least trusted source of TV news.

The survey methodology is a little shaky, but it is interesting nonetheless.

cjr.org

165 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 7:59:11am

looking over the news this morning….
maybe it’s best the world end next year

166 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:00:31am

re: #162 garhighway

Yes I do want our federal government to make these decisions. According to the constitution it’s part of their job. If we put these trade agreements up to a national debate on a case by case basis I think that would be wonderful. Let the people decide who we want to spend our money. I’m not an isolationist, I think trade agreements are important, I just want more for my money than prison labor.

167 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:01:16am

re: #166 RogueOne

PIMF: Who=Where

168 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:02:17am

re: #140 Alouette

{{Alouette}}
Every crash I have been in hurt more after a day or two, then started to heal. Heal well Alouette, we wish you to be painless ASAP.

169 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:04:14am

re: #163 RogueOne

Our trade agreement with Vietnam was based strictly on tariffs and removal of certain subsidies. I don’t believe that is enough. Personally I think our trade policies should be tied to our national security goals. In the long run it’s a whole lot cheaper to affect change with trade than with military methods. I understand the demands of US businesses but if they don’t like it too damn bad. If we don’t want to outlaw companies doing business with certain governments then we’re well within our rights to make sure it’s costly for those companies that do.

I’m not disagreeing. In fact I agree. It’s a reality vs desire thing though. And while it can happen to some extent if the political will is there the reality is that ‘he who has the cash’ holds the clout. Without getting too cliche the economic actors eg. massive international corporations hold the main power strings. They have way more control in determining what happens, when it happens and how it happens. And while they do hold interests in terms of security and stability of their sources their main interests are not political or at least not in ways that are not within the pervue of their interest which is ‘profit.” If taking more of a political course is good for the bottom line then yep they’ll do it. If not they’ll won’t and they’ll fight to shape things to make sure they won’t have too.

170 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:04:44am

The World is sinking: Dubai islands ‘falling into the sea’

But the World, the ambitiously-constructed archipelago of islands shaped like the countries of the globe, is sinking back into the sea, according to evidence cited before a property tribunal.

by by…c’ya…adios!

telegraph.co.uk

171 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:06:09am

Alouette…you better heal up fast…
we have a schedule to keep, you know

172 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:07:43am

repost from last night…
doesn’t anybody besides me think this is hilarious?

foxnews.com

173 Buck  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:10:06am

There is a story going around that a conservative blogger called for Giffords resignation, and compared her to Brett Farve.

Only problem is that the blogger in question, John S. Wilson says he’s a Democrat. It seems there was no attempt by Think Progress (Lee Fang) to read any of John S. Wilson’s previous posts to even do a rudimentary check on what side of the political spectrum he is on.

The attempt to paint this as conservative ghoulishness is as lazy and unfair as it is predictable.

John S. Wilson says he’s a Democrat, and his piece was also carried by David Frum and The Huffington Post.

policydiary.com

Any chance of correcting the title in the many LGF Pages posts? It would be a good start. Although the lie has spread around the world already.

174 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:14:18am

re: #173 Buck

Oops.

175 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:14:19am

re: #166 RogueOne

Yes I do want our federal government to make these decisions. According to the constitution it’s part of their job. If we put these trade agreements up to a national debate on a case by case basis I think that would be wonderful. Let the people decide who we want to spend our money. I’m not an isolationist, I think trade agreements are important, I just want more for my money than prison labor.

I agree but I don’t think that putting it up for people to decide is necessarily going to go the way of political good. Take China for instance. Lots of people moan and complain about China taking over and human rights etc etc. Talk the great talk. But put the daily reality of what life would be like without all of the cheap stuff from China and that’s likely the other story. Start telling people life is going to get more expensive and all the righteousness starts to waver.

Lots of bitching about Venezuela and politically lots of sniping back and forth. The economic reality is that the US is still (and growing) Venezulea’s largest trading partner.

176 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:15:34am

re: #172 albusteve

repost from last night…
doesn’t anybody besides me think this is hilarious?

[Link: www.foxnews.com…]

Yes.
I saw that yesterday.
The video is hilarious. But the mall security guy who took it and put it out there shouldn’t have done that. On the other hand, this woman is taking this stuff wayyyyy too seriously, particularly considering she’s a thief herself.

177 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:17:01am

re: #173 Buck

There is a story going around that a conservative blogger called for Giffords resignation, and compared her to Brett Farve.

Only problem is that the blogger in question, John S. Wilson says he’s a Democrat. It seems there was no attempt by Think Progress (Lee Fang) to read any of John S. Wilson’s previous posts to even do a rudimentary check on what side of the political spectrum he is on.

The attempt to paint this as conservative ghoulishness is as lazy and unfair as it is predictable.

John S. Wilson says he’s a Democrat, and his piece was also carried by David Frum and The Huffington Post.

[Link: www.policydiary.com…]

Any chance of correcting the title in the many LGF Pages posts? It would be a good start. Although the lie has spread around the world already.

Put up your own page?

178 Dom  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:17:52am

Charles, Typo ground grounds. Google says it isn’t just you.

179 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:19:01am

re: #173 Buck

The ‘many’ pages posts? I see two.

Stupid mistake by TP identifying him as a conservative solely based on his contributions to one website.

His position is still asinine.

180 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:19:45am

re: #175 Jadespring

I agree but I don’t think that putting it up for people to decide is necessarily going to go the way of political good. Take China for instance. Lots of people moan and complain about China taking over and human rights etc etc. Talk the great talk. But put the daily reality of what life would be like without all of the cheap stuff from China and that’s likely the other story. Start telling people life is going to get more expensive and all the righteousness starts to waver.

Lots of bitching about Venezuela and politically lots of sniping back and forth. The economic reality is that the US is still (and growing) Venezulea’s largest trading partner.

Beneficial trade and economic growth are the surest ways to improve lives and enhance peace relations.
Now, as to how the increase in money and prosperity is spread across a countries population is not within our ability to dictate - but it’s still an improvement.
Improvements are good.

181 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:21:36am

re: #173 Buck

Go ahead and flag those posts if you like and Charles could possibly amend or take them down. Also, you can put up your own posting to rebut the claims.

182 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:21:43am

re: #180 Ericus58

Beneficial trade and economic growth are the surest ways to improve lives and enhance peace relations.

It entirely depends at what costs that economic growth comes at, though. Strip-mining and heavy pollution of the water table, for example, can hurt more lives than it helps. Both have been common in China.

183 SnowdenBaggerVance  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:22:06am

re: #173 Buck

The attempt to paint this as conservative ghoulishness is as lazy and unfair as it is predictable.

Lazy, unfair? Sure. But there’s a reason why it’s so easy to believe.

184 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:23:54am

the Today Show visited the Grand Rapids Art Museum to do a blurb on Princess Dianna….my daughter is special events director and got to hob nob with the producer and all the other techs etc….and she’s in the tape too!….daddy’s little girl


today.msnbc.msn.com

185 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:24:28am

re: #180 Ericus58

Beneficial trade and economic growth are the surest ways to improve lives and enhance peace relations.
Now, as to how the increase in money and prosperity is spread across a countries population is not within our ability to dictate - but it’s still an improvement.
Improvements are good.

I have no problem agreeing on principle. However the devil is in the details and debates over what constitutes long term improvements and ‘prosperity’. Trade also has it’s down sides.

186 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:24:35am

re: #183 BigPapa

Out of curiosity what are you grilling in that pic?

187 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:24:59am

re: #176 reine.de.tout

Yes.
I saw that yesterday.
The video is hilarious. But the mall security guy who took it and put it out there shouldn’t have done that. On the other hand, this woman is taking this stuff wayyy too seriously, particularly considering she’s a thief herself.

yeah, some sort of bad juju going on with her…funny tho

188 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:25:55am

re: #187 albusteve

yeah, some sort of bad juju going on with her…funny tho

It could very easily have been ME in that video.
LOL. I get distracted by something and pay no attention to what’s around me, just like she did.

189 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:26:14am

re: #182 Obdicut

It entirely depends at what costs that economic growth comes at, though. Strip-mining and heavy pollution of the water table, for example, can hurt more lives than it helps. Both have been common in China.

Oh, indeed and good points. That’s why I find China’s “green” initiatives - the world leader mantle - a bit ironic.

In regards to Vietnam, I think we should continue to engage in trade increases.

190 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:27:16am

re: #188 reine.de.tout

It could very easily have been ME in that video.
LOL. I get distracted by something and pay no attention to what’s around me, just like she did.

I refuse to believe you’d fall into a pool…no way, don’t say that

191 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:27:19am

re: #184 albusteve

the Today Show visited the Grand Rapids Art Museum to do a blurb on Princess Dianna…my daughter is special events director and got to hob nob with the producer and all the other techs etc…and she’s in the tape too!…daddy’s little girl

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com…]

Ha! My wife just had that on the TV - congratulations!
Battle Creek guy myself ;)

192 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:27:43am

re: #189 Ericus58

China’s approach to green energy at the moment seems to be like Zhukov’s approach to beating the Nazis; they’re taking AGW as the biggest possible threat and ready to sacrifice other environmental issues while pursuing energy technologies to combat AGW.

193 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:29:47am

re: #188 reine.de.tout

It could very easily have been ME in that video.
LOL. I get distracted by something and pay no attention to what’s around me, just like she did.

Me too.

I don’t think it would occur to me to sue though if someone caught me on video and posted it on youtube. I guess I just have a different sense of humor. I would think it’s hilarious. I do think it’s hilarious when I do stupid things. Like the time I was talking to someone on the sidewalk, realized I was late, turned in a hurry and ran smack into a lamppost. Hurt like the beejeezus but it was hysterical.

194 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:30:25am

re: #192 Obdicut

Lol - Zhukov reference earns you points.

195 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:31:41am

re: #191 Ericus58

Ha! My wife just had that on the TV - congratulations!
Battle Creek guy myself ;)

Richlander…raised my kids in the same village I was, same schools etc…a fine place, and Battle Creek schools was always our football nemesis…my mom played in their symphony for decades, and we always went out to the turkey farm for dinner and their little shows

196 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:32:46am

China will bury the US…they will be our master in the coming decades

197 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:33:56am

They’re moving Giffords to Davis-Monthan AFB to get her on her way to Houston.

198 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:37:12am

re: #193 Jadespring

Me too.

I don’t think it would occur to me to sue though if someone caught me on video and posted it on youtube. I guess I just have a different sense of humor. I would think it’s hilarious. I do think it’s hilarious when I do stupid things. Like the time I was talking to someone on the sidewalk, realized I was late, turned in a hurry and ran smack into a lamppost. Hurt like the beejeezus but it was hysterical.

I do things like that all the time.
And yes, I think it’s hilarious, even when it hurts.
I think I would have just enjoyed my 15 minutes

199 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:37:17am

re: #197 RogueOne

They’re moving Giffords to Davis-Monthan AFB to get her on her way to Houston.

Wife just remarked that Gabby was scrolling thru an iPod yesterday for selections. Amazing - I think of her everyday.
We should all cherish those moderate politicians trying to make a difference.

200 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:38:26am

re: #199 Ericus58

Hearing the accounts of what they caught on video she’s incredibly lucky just to be alive.

201 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:39:40am

re: #199 Ericus58

Wife just remarked that Gabby was scrolling thru an iPod yesterday for selections. Amazing - I think of her everyday.
We should all cherish those moderate politicians trying to make a difference.

Agreed.
And how wonderful for her and her family that she survived; she has a tough rehab road ahead, I’m sure, but it seems she will be OK.

202 Big Steve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:42:03am

re: #176 reine.de.tout

Yes.
I saw that yesterday.
The video is hilarious. But the mall security guy who took it and put it out there shouldn’t have done that. On the other hand, this woman is taking this stuff wayyy too seriously, particularly considering she’s a thief herself.

Son of Big Steve, was 16 yrs old and was driving his car and stopped at a red light in the museum district of Houston. While he sat at the light a woman was crossing the intersection while texting on her phone and instead of walking straight she drifted off and walked right into his stopped vehicle. She immediately started hollering that he had hit her and was injured. A cop walked up and hauled my son out of the car and cuffed him to a light post even though several witnesses insisted that he had been stopped and she was at fault. She was taken away in an ambulance and he was booked and charged. However several weeks later, the DA did have the police locate surveillance tapes from the museum that did show her walking into a stopped vehicle. She had filed against my auto insurance for medical costs but when the city dropped the case mysteriously her injuries cleared up.

203 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:43:02am

re: #192 Obdicut

China’s approach to green energy at the moment seems to be like Zhukov’s approach to beating the Nazis; they’re taking AGW as the biggest possible threat and ready to sacrifice other environmental issues while pursuing energy technologies to combat AGW.

I was reading an article about this and the reasons why. Beyond the general realization about it’s practicalities and self interest it talked about general cultural differences in terms of time and time perception. Culturally in many Asian cultures Japan included ‘looking ahead’ conceptually tends to be a lot further then more Western conceptions. So a company while cognizent of next year, five year, and tens years there’s a tendency to recognize even further, like 50 to 100 years and actually act on a 50 year outlook in the present even if it hurts the present. It’s not the first time I’ve come across this so to me it makes sense that a place like China might really be taking a longer term viewpoint on the situation of climate change (once they’ve accepted it) and more easily accept and invest in finding solutions in the present.

204 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:46:28am

Brad Manning is being tortured again….yawn

The lawyer for alleged government secrets leaker Bradley Manning is accusing military authorities of using punitive measures against Manning at the Marine Corps jail in Quantico, Va.

washingtonpost.com

205 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:53:58am

re: #202 Big Steve

Son of Big Steve, was 16 yrs old and was driving his car and stopped at a red light in the museum district of Houston. While he sat at the light a woman was crossing the intersection while texting on her phone and instead of walking straight she drifted off and walked right into his stopped vehicle. She immediately started hollering that he had hit her and was injured. A cop walked up and hauled my son out of the car and cuffed him to a light post even though several witnesses insisted that he had been stopped and she was at fault. She was taken away in an ambulance and he was booked and charged. However several weeks later, the DA did have the police locate surveillance tapes from the museum that did show her walking into a stopped vehicle. She had filed against my auto insurance for medical costs but when the city dropped the case mysteriously her injuries cleared up.

OOH.
Thank goodness for the tapes, eh?

My daughter got a ticket in the mail for making a right turn on red without first coming to a complete stop.

She insisted, insisted, that she had come to a full stop, and the ticket was no fair! blah blah blah.

So we went to the website and found her ticket number, and there was a VIDEO from the traffic cam. We watched it. Not only did she not come to a complete stop, she barely slowed down before making that turn. That shut her up real quick.

206 Jadespring  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 8:57:16am

Anyways enjoyed the convo and everyones POV. Would love to stay longer but I have a meeting to get too.

Take care all. :)

207 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:02:48am

Policy makers are working behind the scenes to come up with a way to let states declare bankruptcy and get out from under crushing debts, including the pensions they have promised to retired public workers.

Bankruptcy could permit a state to alter its contractual promises to retirees, which are often protected by state constitutions, and it could provide an alternative to a no-strings bailout. Along with retirees, however, investors in a state’s bonds could suffer, possibly ending up at the back of the line as unsecured creditors.

what a monumental mess these jerks have made for their citizens…it’s gonna be a long line before it’s over….and they have to appeal to the feds, who are staring at a multi trillion dollar debt!…the deaf leading the blind

nytimes.com

208 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:09:58am

re: #135 RogueOne

Great, another opportunity for parents to teach their kids that it is acceptable to voluntarily give up their civil rights:

N.J. Town To Vote On Middle School Drug Tests
[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com…]

That’s… extremely fucked up.

209 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:10:55am

re: #207 albusteve

It involves possibly changing Chapter 9 bankruptcies that are currently allowed for municipalities to be expanded to cover states.

That would have a domino effect, since state municipal bonds would drop to junk status since their credit is tied to state ratings and ability/responsibility to repay.

Bankruptcy would discharge some or all of the pension debts, but it isn’t a panacea.

A far better situation would be to regularize and adopt a municipal assistance corporation system that was used to help NY regain solvency in the 1970s early 1980s. Coupled with a pension benefit corporation that helps fund and reorganize the pension funds and obligations to balance competing interests - funding pensions promised and taxpayer burdens/obligations, the assistance will need to be a multi-pronged effort.

The ARRA of 2009 only delayed the situation by providing federal funding to cover massive deficits in FY 2010. With that money no longer available, the states are facing big holes in their budgets and no easy way to close them.

Even NY Gov. Cuomo is suggesting that massive state worker layoffs will be necessary - in the 10-15,000 range. That’s already got the unions stirring, and I expect Cuomo to spell out a couple of significant proposals - including a new pension tier that would actually shift new hires into a 401k system rather than a defined benefit system, and a worker buyout that lowers the workforce through attrition rather than a mass layoff.

210 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:12:27am

re: #158 RogueOne

Their cheap labor isn’t a necessity. That’s what we have Mexico for…

I lost the site for a bit, anyone else?

The problem is, Mexico isn’t politically stable. Wayyy too much crime to invest there. China, on the other hand, is much, much more stable.

211 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:14:43am

re: #210 Fozzie Bear

China, on the other hand, is much, much more stable.

For now.

Remember, we thought the Soviet Union was stable, too.

212 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:19:24am

re: #211 garhighway

For now.

Remember, we thought the Soviet Union was stable, too.

The soviet union had an economy that was just this side of a turd sandwich for decades before it fell, and was far more oppressive of its citizens.

I don’t think there’s much of a comparison to be made. The USSR was a completely planned economy (poorly planned, that is.), where China is basically a capitalist dream state with an icing of totalitarian regime.

The two are extremely different.

213 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:23:13am

re: #208 Fozzie Bear

That’s… extremely fucked up.

The fourth amendment is toast. Stick a fork in it.

This upsets me viscerally. Randomly searching the bloodstream of children for banned substances is way beyond the bounds of where a government should be allowed to go, imho. That seems like the fucking definition of an unreasonable search to me.

214 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:25:56am

re: #213 Fozzie Bear

I think you’re right. I can only imagine how many parents will tell their kids “if you have nothing to hide then it’s ok to give up your rights”.

215 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:28:59am

Good Morning/Afternoon all!

I believe it is freakin’ cold outside.

How is everyone?

216 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:30:36am

lawhawk,

Thanks for the book recommendations the other day. NOLO had one that was exactly what I needed.

217 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:30:55am

re: #214 RogueOne

I think you’re right. I can only imagine how many parents will tell their kids “if you have nothing to hide then it’s ok to give up your rights”.

I keep hearing that shit everywhere I go and talk about expansion of police powers, sneak and peek warrants, subpoenas coupled with gag orders, etc.

This whole “it could never happen here” meme, when mentioned in reference to oppressive government, is just so much flag waving bullshit. We are the land of the free precisely as long as we continually fight to remain so, and no longer.

On a slightly different point, the drug war has to end. It is a failed experiement. The black market created by it is crushing Mexico, and the cost of incarcerating a huge proportion of the population is crippling us here in the US. We incarcerate more people per capita than any other country in the world, and we still have a relatively high violent crime rate, much of it drug related. Not only is the drug war doomed to fail, it is causing far more problems than it solves.

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:35:00am

re: #217 Fozzie Bear

What bothers me is the notion that you are suspect - and therefore subject to search and seizure - without having to do anything specific to arouse suspicion, you can be treated as suspect by virtue of being somewhere (like in school) or belonging to a certain ethnic/demographic/professional/social group.

The other aspect that bothers me is that it totally ignores a basic civil right the right to petition for the redress of grievances. A lot of people being subjected to search or surveillance are not even aware of the fact that it is being done, and if there are any errors or abuses involved, they have to possibility of seeking redress.

219 MinisterO  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:35:16am

re: #22 freetoken

BTW, I looked at the Republican Study Committee proposal (now online).

100% ideological sales pitch to their funders/groupies, mostly composed of extreme social conservatives. Total avoidance of the real big budget items in federal dole.

Three of my favorites:

Energy Star Program - $52 million annual savings.
Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - $12.5 million annual savings.
Applied Research at Department of Energy - $1.27 billion annual savings.

220 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:35:18am

re: #216 ggt

Glad I could help.

221 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:37:10am

Every gibbering right wing loon on Twitter is spewing hatred at me today. Patterico is outright lying, and they know it, but they’re all gleefully reposting the link to his distorted piece of crap post accusing me of saying things I never said.

Just another day at LGF.

222 garhighway  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:38:12am

re: #212 Fozzie Bear

The soviet union had an economy that was just this side of a turd sandwich for decades before it fell, and was far more oppressive of its citizens.

I don’t think there’s much of a comparison to be made. The USSR was a completely planned economy (poorly planned, that is.), where China is basically a capitalist dream state with an icing of totalitarian regime.

The two are extremely different.

They aren’t identical. But China’s combination of political repression, ethnic minorities and systemic corruption is potentially volatile.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:39:51am

re: #222 garhighway

China learned a lot from the decline and fall of the USSR, and is being careful to avoid them as best it can.

224 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:39:55am

re: #222 garhighway

They aren’t identical. But China’s combination of political repression, ethnic minorities and systemic corruption is potentially volatile.

add gender disparity to the list.

225 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:41:40am

re: #221 Charles

Every gibbering right wing loon on Twitter is spewing hatred at me today. Patterico is outright lying, and they know it, but they’re all gleefully reposting the link to his distorted piece of crap post accusing me of saying things I never said.

Just another day at LGF.

That story is all over the we, Fark, Reddit, Digg, etc. Rawsory picked it up: ‘You’re going to have to shoot them in the head,’ Beck said of Democratic leaders
I don’t know what the wingnuts think they’re going to accomplish by complaining about LGF.

226 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:43:08am

And while the details of the shooting and the history of the suspect are still to be determined, early information suggests that investigators may discover evidence of untreated mental illness. It would be a mistake to conclude that incidents such as this are characteristic of people who have mental illness. In fact, these events are very rare.

Studies show that having a mental illness, in itself, does not increase one’s propensity to commit serious violence; other factors come into play, including co-occurring substance abuse, trauma and, perhaps in this instance, today’s vitriolic political climate.

a good read

behavioral.net

227 Gus  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:43:46am

Ugh. I think I have an intestinal flu. Have to be near the bathroom all day now. Had the heat up to 80 degrees in here and I was still cold and shivering.

228 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:44:52am

re: #227 Gus 802

Ugh. I think I have an intestinal flu. Have to be near the bathroom all day now. Had the heat up to 80 degrees in here and I was still cold and shivering.

Been there, I am so sorry. Fortunately, it will pass.

229 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:45:26am

Animals in the house are cold too! I can tell because they are friendly and want to cuddle.

230 Gus  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:46:17am

re: #228 ggt

Been there, I am so sorry. Fortunately, it will pass.

Yeah. I have a 3:00 o’clock though for a potential project. Guess I’ll have to cancel that since if I did go I’d a) feel like crap and b) well, you know.

231 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:46:36am

re: #221 Charles

Speaks volumes for the right wing “reality-based” community. They’ve come a long way (and not in a good way)- and now it is a story when their postings tangentially reflect the facts.

232 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:47:12am

re: #230 Gus 802

Yeah. I have a 3:00 o’clock though for a potential project. Guess I’ll have to cancel that since if I did go I’d a) feel like crap and b) well, you know.

Can you reschedule?

233 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:47:22am

re: #209 lawhawk

It involves possibly changing Chapter 9 bankruptcies that are currently allowed for municipalities to be expanded to cover states.

That would have a domino effect, since state municipal bonds would drop to junk status since their credit is tied to state ratings and ability/responsibility to repay.

Bankruptcy would discharge some or all of the pension debts, but it isn’t a panacea.

A far better situation would be to regularize and adopt a municipal assistance corporation system that was used to help NY regain solvency in the 1970s early 1980s. Coupled with a pension benefit corporation that helps fund and reorganize the pension funds and obligations to balance competing interests - funding pensions promised and taxpayer burdens/obligations, the assistance will need to be a multi-pronged effort.

The ARRA of 2009 only delayed the situation by providing federal funding to cover massive deficits in FY 2010. With that money no longer available, the states are facing big holes in their budgets and no easy way to close them.

Even NY Gov. Cuomo is suggesting that massive state worker layoffs will be necessary - in the 10-15,000 range. That’s already got the unions stirring, and I expect Cuomo to spell out a couple of significant proposals - including a new pension tier that would actually shift new hires into a 401k system rather than a defined benefit system, and a worker buyout that lowers the workforce through attrition rather than a mass layoff.

no matter what the solution is….people are going to suffer, and I know it’s easy to say, but the whole damn mess was avoidable…schools and services will pay the price for fat cat deals made for pensions, no the the entire problem but a large part of it….who are these people trying to kid?…their whole approach to governing has blown up in their faces…bunch of frauds

234 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:47:57am

re: #231 lawhawk

Speaks volumes for the right wing “reality-based” community. They’ve come a long way (and not in a good way)- and now it is a story when their postings tangentially reflect the facts.

I wish the parties could come together on the money issue and leave all the social issues outside the conference room door.

235 Gus  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:48:13am

re: #232 ggt

Can you reschedule?

I think so. Although there are two other people that are going to show. I guess I have no choice though. I feel awful.

236 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:51:05am

re: #233 albusteve

no matter what the solution is…people are going to suffer, and I know it’s easy to say, but the whole damn mess was avoidable…schools and services will pay the price for fat cat deals made for pensions, no the the entire problem but a large part of it…who are these people trying to kid?…their whole approach to governing has blown up in their faces…bunch of frauds

I’ve come to the conclusion that my kid is going to have a much tougher time than I did and that I had a tougher time than my parents.

Frankly, I just want the WWII generation to be able to age gracefully. I think we can handle what comes our way. The younger generation doesn’t have the same expectations and will find their own way.

I don’t have to like it.

237 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:54:49am

re: #235 Gus 802

I think so. Although there are two other people that are going to show. I guess I have no choice though. I feel awful.

Tamiflu?

238 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:55:02am

While the lawsuit filed by the idiot who didn’t watch where she was walking and fell into a mall fountain ranks up there in the annals of stupid lawsuits (she’s suing the mall after the YouTube clip went viral and made the rounds on all media), this suit quite possibly ranks as the dumbest of the decade. Guy goes to Vegas, hires an escort, pays her for a strip tease and then for an undisclosed sex act. Supposed to last 1 hour. She left after 30 minutes. He tries to get refund and even goes to police who remind him that he was a participant in an illegal act - prostitution.

That wasn’t enough. He came back to NYC and has now filed suit claiming he suffered physical harm - and demands $1.8 million in damages, plus the $275 in monies paid.

239 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:55:28am

re: #236 ggt

I’ve come to the conclusion that my kid is going to have a much tougher time than I did and that I had a tougher time than my parents.

Frankly, I just want the WWII generation to be able to age gracefully. I think we can handle what comes our way. The younger generation doesn’t have the same expectations and will find their own way.

I don’t have to like it.

I have supreme confidence in my two kids, but they will have to deal with stuff not in their control…they are both goal oriented, smart and hard workers…I just hope for the best but worry about the worst

240 Gus  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:55:48am

re: #237 ggt

Tamiflu?

I’m taking nada.

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:56:04am

Dkos has the video too: Beck’s call to violence: “Shoot them in the head”
You can’t put shit back in the horse.

242 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:56:24am

re: #240 Gus 802

I’m taking nada.

GATORADE! It helps replenish what you lose in the bathroom.

243 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:57:05am

re: #238 lawhawk

While the lawsuit filed by the idiot who didn’t watch where she was walking and fell into a mall fountain ranks up there in the annals of stupid lawsuits (she’s suing the mall after the YouTube clip went viral and made the rounds on all media), this suit quite possibly ranks as the dumbest of the decade. Guy goes to Vegas, hires an escort, pays her for a strip tease and then for an undisclosed sex act. Supposed to last 1 hour. She left after 30 minutes. He tries to get refund and even goes to police who remind him that he was a participant in an illegal act - prostitution.

That wasn’t enough. He came back to NYC and has now filed suit claiming he suffered physical harm - and demands $1.8 million in damages, plus the $275 in monies paid.

guy is probably a millionaire just dicking around out of bordom….maybe not tho

244 Gus  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:57:10am

re: #242 ggt

GATORADE! It helps replenish what you lose in the bathroom.

I’m drinking water.

Anyway, I have to get horizontal

Later.

245 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:57:39am

re: #239 albusteve

I have supreme confidence in my two kids, but they will have to deal with stuff not in their control…they are both goal oriented, smart and hard workers…I just hope for the best but worry about the worst

Our kids will have to deal with stuff totally outside our realm of imagination. Freakin’ terrifies me. I keep my mouth shut and try to make sure he will have the tools that will help him.

246 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:58:07am

re: #240 Gus 802

I’m taking nada.

Take 1 scorpion.
Grind it to dust.
Take some oregano leaves.
Grind them to dust.
Fill one glass hot water and put in two table spoons of salt.
Mix and enjoy!
/

247 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:58:40am

re: #246 Varek Raith

Take 1 scorpion.
Grind it to dust.
Take some oregano leaves.
Grind them to dust.
Fill one glass hot water and put in two table spoons of salt.
Mix and enjoy!
/

no potato juice?…wth?

248 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:59:02am

re: #238 lawhawk

While the lawsuit filed by the idiot who didn’t watch where she was walking and fell into a mall fountain ranks up there in the annals of stupid lawsuits (she’s suing the mall after the YouTube clip went viral and made the rounds on all media), this suit quite possibly ranks as the dumbest of the decade. Guy goes to Vegas, hires an escort, pays her for a strip tease and then for an undisclosed sex act. Supposed to last 1 hour. She left after 30 minutes. He tries to get refund and even goes to police who remind him that he was a participant in an illegal act - prostitution.

That wasn’t enough. He came back to NYC and has now filed suit claiming he suffered physical harm - and demands $1.8 million in damages, plus the $275 in monies paid.

I have to wonder about the company he keeps. What kind of man would want his family and friends to know he hired a prostitute?

249 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:59:24am

re: #247 albusteve

no potato juice?…wth?

Ah ha!
I thought I was missing something…

250 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:59:29am

re: #247 albusteve

no potato juice?…wth?

eye of newt?

251 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 9:59:47am

re: #228 ggt

Been there, I am so sorry. Fortunately, it will pass.

Subtle.

252 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:00:08am

re: #250 ggt

eye of newt?

WADKA!

253 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:00:25am

re: #244 Gus 802

I’m drinking water.

Anyway, I have to get horizontal

Later.

Feel better!

254 albusteve  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:00:40am

hospital time
bbl

255 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:00:42am

re: #248 ggt

A guy with cojones? /////

256 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:01:08am

re: #251 RogueOne

Subtle.

Yeah, I hit the “post” button too soon.

257 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:01:56am

re: #139 RogueOne

I’ve noticed a lot of tags in other stores lately from Pakistan and Vietnam. Not sure how I feel about trade with Vietnam.

Much as with Korea, the only way freedom stands a chance is on the back of economic progress. And even the sweatshop wage scales are progress.

It was funny, but when we were there in 2002 adopting our son, they were having elections for their congress. Even though there is only one Party, there were more contested races by percentage than in the US House elections the same year. It’s an interesting and complex country to put it mildly.

258 RogueOne  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:02:08am

re: #248 ggt

I have to wonder about the company he keeps. What kind of man would want his family and friends to know he hired a prostitute?

Image: Charlie-Sheen-mug-shot.jpg

259 Kragar  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:03:18am

re: #258 RogueOne

260 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:03:38am

re: #259 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lol.
IE.
:P

261 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:04:22am

re: #257 wlewisiiiThis was referring to Vietnam.

262 Kragar  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:04:28am

re: #260 Varek Raith

Lol.
IE.
:P

I believe you meant to say “Fucking IE”

263 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:05:29am

re: #259 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

MODZILLA!

264 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:06:18am

More of Pamela Geller’s friends convicted of racial abuse….
EDL SUPPORTERS FINED FOR ON-TRAIN RACIST ABUSE


The court heard that, on Friday 25 June last year, the trio had attended an EDL march in Bradford and had been on their way home when they travelled from Manchester Victoria to Wigan on a Northern Rail service.

During the journey they became abusive and intimidating, subjecting several passengers to a torrent of racist abuse.

The abuse began when the three sang songs relating to the EDL and Taliban. At Salford Crescent an Asian man boarded the train and was immediately targeted by the group who shouted derogatory remarks about Allah to the man.

PC Tony McGibbon, of British Transport Police, said: “The abuse continued for some time and was directed at anyone on board the train who the three perceived to be anything other than white British.

265 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:06:25am

re: #263 ggt

MODZILLA!

He’s got no choice.
Work computer and all.

266 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:07:13am

re: #265 Varek Raith

He’s got no choice.
Work computer and all.

ah!

267 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:07:55am

re: #264 Killgore Trout

More of Pamela Geller’s friends convicted of racial abuse…
EDL SUPPORTERS FINED FOR ON-TRAIN RACIST ABUSE

They’ll find a way to spin it to make themselves the victims.

268 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:08:28am

re: #267 ggt

They’ll find a way to spin it to make themselves the victims.

UK’s sharia courts convicts patriots!
/

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:10:02am

re: #267 ggt

They’ll find a way to spin it to make themselves the victims.


the spin will take two directions at once:

a) these people are in no way representative of the eEDL, its goals, methods or ideology

and b) they were victims of media/legal/PC persecution

270 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:13:02am

re: #269 ralphieboy

the spin will take two directions at once:

a) these people are in no way representative of the eEDL, its goals, methods or ideology

and b) they were victims of media/legal/PC persecution

IT’S NOT MY FAULT

Youtube Video

271 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:17:50am

Good afternoon, everyone.

I wish I could be a TV weatherman. I’d love to be able to get away with only having to be accurate 20% of the time while doing my job. This whole 99.9999% uptime thing gets to be draining after a while. The Internet… a blessing, and a curse.

272 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 21, 2011 10:22:38am

Have a great day all!


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