RedState.com Directors’ Anti-Abortion Threat: ‘Repudiate the Supreme Court with Mass Bloodshed’

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An official post by “The Directors” of redstate.com openly threatens “mass bloodshed” if abortion remains safe and legal: We Have Drawn a Line.

Here at RedState, we too have drawn a line. We will not endorse any candidate who will not reject the judicial usurpation of Roe v. Wade and affirm that the unborn are no less entitled to a right to live simply because of their size or their physical location. Those who wish to write on the front page of RedState must make the same pledge. The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed. We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise, and send a clear and unmistakable signal to their elected officials of what must be necessary to earn our support.

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1 alexknyc  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:26:32am

There are no words...

2 tnguitarist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:27:39am

What's the "once before"?

3 recusancy  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:27:41am

Every time I read the word repudiate now I think it's missing an "f".

4 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:28:00am

re: #1 alexknyc

There are no words...

G A H

5 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:28:19am

What's the once before? The Court upholding slavery? That doesn't seem like something they would have a problem with.

6 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:28:22am

So, unless:

those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise, and send a clear and unmistakable signal to their elected officials of what must be necessary to earn our support.

Then there will be mass bloodshed?

A civil war, over abortion? A civil war to establish religious law in America?

7 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:28:28am

re: #2 tnguitarist

What's the "once before"?

Slavery. Reference to Santorum.

8 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:28:57am
We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise


Compromise leads to bloodshed!

9 tnguitarist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:29:44am

re: #7 000G

Slavery. Reference to Santorum.

That's what I figured. Don't know the Santorum part, though. Link?

10 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:29:45am

Whoa...

11 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:30:56am

re: #6 Obdicut

So, unless:

Then there will be mass bloodshed?

A civil war, over abortion? A civil war to establish religious law in America?

These are the guys to whom the vigilante lynching "justice" of groups like Army of God or Operation Rescue are acceptable and even honorable.

12 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:31:31am

re: #9 tnguitarist

That's what I figured. Don't know the Santorum part, though. Link?

Uhm: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

13 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:31:40am

re: #10 Varek Raith

Whoa...

Crazy times.

14 tnguitarist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:33:12am

re: #12 000G

Uhm: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Cool. I saw that, just didn't connect the dots.

15 kingkenrod  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:33:54am

re: #2 tnguitarist

What's the "once before"?

The Dred Scott decision.

16 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:34:28am

They're still being pussies about it, too. They're saying 'our nation' will be 'forced' to repudiate abortion through bloodshed. As if they speak for 'our nation'.

What cowards.

17 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:35:09am

What right-wing violent rhetoric?

18 Girth  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:35:14am

At this point it would not surprise me in the least to see the right-wing double down on the violent imagery just because they see the left (not without justification I would argue) worked up about it. One thing that all wingers have in common is their childish need to needle anyone they perceive as a liberal, i.e. the whole "Democrat Party" crap.

19 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:35:26am

Once again the "originalists" rely on revisionist history....
Abortion in early America.

From 1776 until the mid-1800s abortion was viewed as socially unacceptable; however, abortions were not illegal in most states. During the 1860s a number of states passed anti-abortion laws.


It's also ironic that the wingnut revisionists bring up racial issues,,,,,

Throughout the colonial period and during the early years of the republic, the abortion situation for slave women was different than for other women. Slaves were subject to the rules of their owners, and the owners refused to allow their slaves to terminate pregnancies. The owners wanted their slaves to produce as many children as possible since these children belonged to the slave owners. This situation persisted until the end of the slavery era.
20 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:35:36am

Have fun storming the castle nutters.
Image: abramsm1a2(4).jpg

21 avanti  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:36:00am

Can we still post LGF pages without a litmus test ? /

22 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:37:26am

I think these people want to be right more than they want to win the election. Perhaps they think it will get them into heaven.

23 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:39:12am

I'd like to quote Keanu Reeves.

"Whoa."

24 Girth  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:39:26am

re: #22 ggt

I think these people want to be right more than they want to win the election. Perhaps they think it will get them into heaven.

You don't get it. They don't want to be right, they are right, and that gives them the right to impose their will on the rest of us, by whatever means necessary.

25 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:39:26am

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Great point. So Constitution does not protect fetuses.

26 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:39:32am

Speaking of anti-abortion nutjobs, this is hilarious:

Anti-Abortion Crusader Aims To 'Humiliate' Obama As Dem Challenger

Randall Terry is actually delusional enough to believe that he can get 35-40% of the Democratic vote in a Democratic primary. LOL forever.

27 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:40:01am

Mass bloodshed is not a solution.

Good alternatives and community support are the "solution" to abortion.

Do you know . . . people think it is heinous, just something awful, for someone to place a child for adoption? People who place kids for adoption talk about it in whispers . . . they don't want anyone to know they "gave away" a baby they didn't have the maturity or wherewithal to care for, as if responsibly planning a promising future for a child is a terrible thing to do.

Why is that seen as such an awful awful thing to do?

28 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:40:01am

re: #2 tnguitarist

What's the "once before"?

Dredd Scott vs. Sanford in 1857. The decision declared that slavery could not be kept out of territories not yet states, and also that slaves were subhuman. It emboldened the South and enraged the North.

The only bright spot is that such a reference is explicitly anti-Neo Confederate.

29 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:40:09am

Of course, the next time someone bombs an abortion clinic or guns down an abortion provider (or maybe a pro-choice politician), Redstate will deny that their "mass bloodshed" rhetoric had ANYTHING to do with it.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:41:09am

re: #26 Lidane

Speaking of anti-abortion nutjobs, this is hilarious:

Anti-Abortion Crusader Aims To 'Humiliate' Obama As Dem Challenger

Randall Terry is actually delusional enough to believe that he can get 35-40% of the Democratic vote in a Democratic primary. LOL forever.

I'd LOL, but it hurts to do so.

31 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:41:25am

re: #25 Sergey Romanov

Great point. So Constitution does not protect fetuses.

It's also telling that the founding fathers did not make abortion illegal. It was a common practice at the time and they were well aware of that.

32 alexknyc  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:42:08am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

It's also telling that the founding fathers did not make abortion illegal. It was a common practice at the time and they were well aware of that.

It's likely they felt it was none of the government's business.

33 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:42:17am

re: #27 reine.de.tout

Mass bloodshed is not a solution.

Good alternatives and community support are the "solution" to abortion.

Do you know . . . people think it is heinous, just something awful, for someone to place a child for adoption? People who place kids for adoption talk about it in whispers . . . they don't want anyone to know they "gave away" a baby they didn't have the maturity or wherewithal to care for, as if responsibly planning a promising future for a child is a terrible thing to do.

Why is that seen as such an awful awful thing to do?

CONTRACEPTION.

34 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:43:02am

Operative phrase: "but only if".

35 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:43:58am

The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed.

I don't know what the hell that means.

36 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:44:39am

re: #32 alexknyc

It's likely they felt it was none of the government's business.

They probably understood that criminalizing it would make the situation worse.

37 alexknyc  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:44:44am

re: #33 ggt

CONTRACEPTION.

I agree.

It's just that it's never 100% effective and many states don't allow sex ed to give teens the information on how to use it properly.

I can't tell you how many ADULTS I know are unaware that certain antibiotics diminish the effectiveness of the pill.

There will always be unwanted pregnancies.

38 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:44:50am

re: #33 ggt

CONTRACEPTION.

Yes, that too!

But abortion occurs when contraception has failed or isn't used.
So I was merely addressing the alternative of adoption, which so many folks look down on.

39 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:45:01am

re: #35 BigPapa

The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed.

I don't know what the hell that means.

It's a dog whistle about Dred Scott.

40 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:45:12am
less entitled to a right to live simply because of their size or their physical location.

Does "physical location" relate to an attempt of the fetus to gestate outside the womb? - or Detroit in general?

41 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:46:23am

re: #35 BigPapa

The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed.

I don't know what the hell that means.

re: #39 Lidane

It's a dog whistle about Dred Scott.

It's also a threat of civil war.

42 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:46:40am

re: #35 BigPapa

The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed.

I don't know what the hell that means.

If that's about Dred Scott, then it's a fucked up interpretation. First of all, it was half of a nation; second, it was not a repudiation of the SC but of the seceding ultra-conservatives. I mean, to make the Civil War ref against the abortion AND "activist judges" at the same time... They're nuts.

43 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:46:59am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

It's also a threat of civil war.

Well, yes. That too.

44 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:47:37am

Jane Hamsher of FDL is at the Quantico brig trying to see Bradley Manning, and she and her companion David House have apparently just been arrested by the MPs.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Hamsher tweets:

For whatever reason, Quantico Marine brass don't want Manning 2 have visitor now.

"For whatever reason?"

Uh - Manning is accused of one of the most serious crimes a soldier can commit. That might have something to do with it.

45 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:47:54am

re: #27 reine.de.tout

It's part of the sex-taboo in our culture. Giving up a child for adoption means that you had illicit sex. It is a responsible course to take, especially if you're religious, but it comes with the negative cultural baggage that our culture generally (hypocritically) assigns to those who attain negative consequences through sex.

We celebrate hypersexualized teenagers, we have a gigantic Viagra economy, but if someone gets pregnant in an unwanted fashion, gets AIDs, or otherwise has a negative outcome from sex, we pillory them.

It sucks.

The giving up a child for adoption comes with the extra cruelty of the implication that the person is somehow lacking in maternal feelings, when it should be that they were able to recognize, as a mother, that they were not the best parent for that child.

46 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:48:00am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Yeah I get it. Though it literally seems like a rejection of Neo-Confederacy it sounds like the exact opposite.

47 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:48:47am

gotta go,

have fun all!

48 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:48:50am

re: #2 tnguitarist

What's the "once before"?

My thought exactly. I couldn't think of one, but I'm willing to be enlightened.

49 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:50:39am

So who are these Directors?

50 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:51:17am

re: #44 Charles

'For whatever reason' is the adult version of standard teenager language statements. It directly translates to 'Heh, What-Ever!' in Teenagese.

51 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:51:22am

re: #46 BigPapa

Yeah I get it. Though it literally seems like a rejection of Neo-Confederacy it sounds like the exact opposite.

It's incoherent.

52 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:51:29am

re: #20 Varek Raith

Have fun storming the castle nutters.
Image: abramsm1a2(4).jpg

"The Princess Bride"?

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:52:22am

re: #44 Charles

Jane Hamsher of FDL is at the Quantico brig trying to see Bradley Manning, and she and her companion David House have apparently just been arrested by the MPs.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Hamsher tweets:

"For whatever reason?"

Uh - Manning is accused of one of the most serious crimes a soldier can commit. That might have something to do with it.

FDL?

54 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:52:29am

RedState:

Erick Erickson is the Chairman of the Board and Managing Editor of Redstate, and Dan McLaughlin, Victoria Gardner Coates, and Mike Krempasky are on the Board of Directors.

55 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:54:12am

re: #46 BigPapa

Yeah I get it. Though it literally seems like a rejection of Neo-Confederacy it sounds like the exact opposite.

That is a very weird thing.

The Civil War happened after the South seceded in order to preserve slavery, which was slowly being eroded in law and custom. Then the Union invaded, to preserve the Union.

What these people are threatening is to start a Civil War over the slow increase of legality and availability of abortion. It is the exact opposite. They, like the South, would be the ones instigating this civil war.

56 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:55:22am

Well to me it still comes down to and issue of rights as a woman. People are well within their rights to talk about why abortion is wrong and how they think a fetus has the same rights as a living person. They are within their rights to talk about and tell me about all the religious reasons I should or shouldn't. They are withing their rights to convince me using all the types of rhetoric and talk that they want.

End of it all though I have the right to choose whether I listen or not. The government or the state has no right to tell me what I may or may not do with my uterus in this regard. My uterus is atatched to me a sovereign individual and not a state controlled sack of flesh.

57 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:55:52am
Erick Erickson

Somebody remind why this guy has a contract with CNN.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:56:12am

re: #15 kingkenrod

The Dred Scott decision.

That's absurd, though. The Dredd Scott decision is significant to the pro-life movement, I know, but the nation didn't go to war OVER it. Also, the seceding party won that round. The analogy simply doesn't work on any level.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:56:26am

re: #17 Lidane

What right-wing violent rhetoric?

FUCK yeah.

60 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:56:47am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

re: #39 Lidane

It's also a threat of civil war.

Over a woman's body. Civil war.

Go for it fuckers.

61 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:57:17am

re: #45 Obdicut

It's part of the sex-taboo in our culture. Giving up a child for adoption means that you had illicit sex. It is a responsible course to take, especially if you're religious, but it comes with the negative cultural baggage that our culture generally (hypocritically) assigns to those who attain negative consequences through sex.

We celebrate hypersexualized teenagers, we have a gigantic Viagra economy, but if someone gets pregnant in an unwanted fashion, gets AIDs, or otherwise has a negative outcome from sex, we pillory them.

It sucks.

The giving up a child for adoption comes with the extra cruelty of the implication that the person is somehow lacking in maternal feelings, when it should be that they were able to recognize, as a mother, that they were not the best parent for that child.

Upding, and would double-upding if I could. Nice summation.

62 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:57:30am

re: #57 000G

Somebody remind why this guy has a contract with CNN.

Fred Phelps was busy.

63 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:57:32am

D_F...nervous?

64 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:57:39am

re: #45 Obdicut

It's part of the sex-taboo in our culture. Giving up a child for adoption means that you had illicit sex. It is a responsible course to take, especially if you're religious, but it comes with the negative cultural baggage that our culture generally (hypocritically) assigns to those who attain negative consequences through sex.

We celebrate hypersexualized teenagers, we have a gigantic Viagra economy, but if someone gets pregnant in an unwanted fashion, gets AIDs, or otherwise has a negative outcome from sex, we pillory them.

It sucks.

The giving up a child for adoption comes with the extra cruelty of the implication that the person is somehow lacking in maternal feelings, when it should be that they were able to recognize, as a mother, that they were not the best parent for that child.

Turning over a baby to an adoptive family is such a crushingly heartbreaking thing for most birth mothers to do - Catholic Charities (here locally, anyhow) offers pre-birth and after-birth counseling to deal with it.

As for the sex - the weird thing is - folks don't mind the illicit sex so much as long as nobody shows any evidence of it. A pregnancy is just such evidence, and the thing is, the condition of being pregnant is in no way sinful in any religion that I know of.

Lots of things are just backwards.

65 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:59:10am

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Over a woman's body. Civil war.

I feel so flattered. Maybe i should shave.

66 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 11:59:49am

re: #57 000G

Somebody remind why this guy has a contract with CNN.

That's what I asked when I learned that they hired Beck.

67 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:00:11pm

Wow. How Pro-life of them. I'm sure Jesus would have totally agreed.

68 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:00:27pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Over a woman's body. Civil war.

Go for it fuckers.

How did that Helen of Troy thing play out?

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:00:51pm

re: #26 Lidane

Speaking of anti-abortion nutjobs, this is hilarious:

Anti-Abortion Crusader Aims To 'Humiliate' Obama As Dem Challenger

Randall Terry is actually delusional enough to believe that he can get 35-40% of the Democratic vote in a Democratic primary. LOL forever.

He knows he can't, I'm pretty sure--but the campaign will provide him with a hell of a platform.

I tend to try to give most pro-life activists the benefit of the doubt, but Randall Terry is an evil, screwed-up man.

70 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:00:53pm

re: #55 Obdicut

That is a very weird thing.

The Civil War happened after the South seceded in order to preserve slavery, which was slowly being eroded in law and custom. Then the Union invaded, to preserve the Union.

What these people are threatening is to start a Civil War over the slow increase of legality and availability of abortion. It is the exact opposite. They, like the South, would be the ones instigating this civil war.

While we may disagree elsewhere, you're on a roll in this thread.

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

That's absurd, though. The Dredd Scott decision is significant to the pro-life movement, I know, but the nation didn't go to war OVER it. Also, the seceding party won that round. The analogy simply doesn't work on any level.

You're being logical. That doesn't work with these people.

71 kingkenrod  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:02:56pm

re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist

That's absurd, though. The Dredd Scott decision is significant to the pro-life movement, I know, but the nation didn't go to war OVER it. Also, the seceding party won that round. The analogy simply doesn't work on any level.

Yes, it's zealots in search of a violent metaphor.

72 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:03:20pm

re: #68 wozzablog

How did that Helen of Troy thing play out?

Relative success. We'll be longer in Iraq, and will return empty-handed.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:03:25pm

re: #27 reine.de.tout

Mass bloodshed is not a solution.

Good alternatives and community support are the "solution" to abortion.

Do you know . . . people think it is heinous, just something awful, for someone to place a child for adoption? People who place kids for adoption talk about it in whispers . . . they don't want anyone to know they "gave away" a baby they didn't have the maturity or wherewithal to care for, as if responsibly planning a promising future for a child is a terrible thing to do.

Why is that seen as such an awful awful thing to do?

I wish I knew, Reine. It's a real problem.

Julie Burchill, the British columnist was once voted 'worst Mum in Britain'. Why? She gave sole custody to the father of each of her sons when they broke up. She was very clear that she didn't think she'd be a good parent, and her partners would, therefore they should take care of the boys. This was seen as being a bad mum. Worse than keeping them and neglecting them would have been.

It's crazy. The best thing anyone can do for a child is make sure it has parents who can can care for it, and love it.

74 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:03:47pm

You'll have to wash the Cheetos dust from my cold, dead hands!!!!!!!

75 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:03:54pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

He knows he can't, I'm pretty sure--but the campaign will provide him with a hell of a platform.

I tend to try to give most pro-life activists the benefit of the doubt, but Randall Terry is an evil, screwed-up man.

I think he's trying to get himself a more respectable soapbox from which to rant--and a whole lot of federal funds to divert to his sick way of promoting his cause.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:03:57pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Dredd Scott vs. Sanford in 1857. The decision declared that slavery could not be kept out of territories not yet states, and also that slaves were subhuman. It emboldened the South and enraged the North.

The only bright spot is that such a reference is explicitly anti-Neo Confederate.

Except that, and this is the part that confuses me, the bad guys won that round, and yet, they were the party to go to war.

77 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:04:00pm

re: #64 reine.de.tout

As for the sex - the weird thing is - folks don't mind the illicit sex so much as long as nobody shows any evidence of it. A pregnancy is just such evidence, and the thing is, the condition of being pregnant is in no way sinful in any religion that I know of.


Exactly. Not to mention, of course, the standard huge amount of sexism. Sure, people talk about 'deadbeat dads', but it's nothing compared to the vilification of women who are inattentive mothers-- and unfairly, women who put their children up for adoption are often put in this category.

The statistics on this are easy: women make up the massive majority of single-parent households, and even non-custodial women-- those where the father is raising the child, or a relative is-- remain involved in their children's lives at rates approaching 100%.

Only women can get pregnant. Only women can have to make the heartbreaking decision to get an abortion, to bear the child and give it up, or to raise it themselves when they may feel unprepared.

Instead of vilifying them for any of these choices, our society should support them as best we can. What's more important than mothers and children?

78 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:05:44pm

re: #77 Obdicut

Exactly. Not to mention, of course, the standard huge amount of sexism. Sure, people talk about 'deadbeat dads', but it's nothing compared to the vilification of women who are inattentive mothers-- and unfairly, women who put their children up for adoption are often put in this category.

The statistics on this are easy: women make up the massive majority of single-parent households, and even non-custodial women-- those where the father is raising the child, or a relative is-- remain involved in their children's lives at rates approaching 100%.

Only women can get pregnant. Only women can have to make the heartbreaking decision to get an abortion, to bear the child and give it up, or to raise it themselves when they may feel unprepared.

Instead of vilifying them for any of these choices, our society should support them as best we can. What's more important than mothers and children?

BINGO.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:05:44pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

D_F...nervous?

Not much. I've got faith in Chicago's team. The Bears are better than they have ever been been in 20 years. This is going to be one Hell of a game.

80 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:05:57pm

re: #56 Jadespring

My uterus is atatched to me a sovereign individual and not a state controlled sack of flesh.

I have always maintained that this and this alone is why abortion IS a right of every woman, whether she wishes to use it or not.

The anti-abortion side refuses to recognize this and even if they do, they trivialize it away, demanding that the woman must submit to a "higher authority" (be it their imagined god or a moral standard that's highly subjective).

81 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:06:12pm

re: #44 Charles

Jane Hamsher of FDL is at the Quantico brig trying to see Bradley Manning, and she and her companion David House have apparently just been arrested by the MPs.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Hamsher tweets:

"For whatever reason?"

Uh - Manning is accused of one of the most serious crimes a soldier can commit. That might have something to do with it.

Whut.
They walked onto the base thinking they could just have a spot of tea with Manning?
Idiots.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:06:38pm

re: #45 Obdicut

It's part of the sex-taboo in our culture. Giving up a child for adoption means that you had illicit sex. It is a responsible course to take, especially if you're religious, but it comes with the negative cultural baggage that our culture generally (hypocritically) assigns to those who attain negative consequences through sex.

We celebrate hypersexualized teenagers, we have a gigantic Viagra economy, but if someone gets pregnant in an unwanted fashion, gets AIDs, or otherwise has a negative outcome from sex, we pillory them.

It sucks.

The giving up a child for adoption comes with the extra cruelty of the implication that the person is somehow lacking in maternal feelings, when it should be that they were able to recognize, as a mother, that they were not the best parent for that child.

I do think it's nice that on that stupid show about the teenage mothers, one of the young couples gave their child to an adoptive family.

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:06:44pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Not much. I've got faith in Chicago's team. The Bears are better than they have ever been been in 20 years. This is going to be one Hell of a game.

one hell of a game.

happy sunday, & GO BEARS!

84 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:07:48pm

Game has begun. Posting from me is going to be light for a bit.

85 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:08:57pm

re: #84 Dark_Falcon

Game has begun. Posting from me is going to be light for a bit.

You have your priorities in the right order. ;)

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:10:26pm

re: #64 reine.de.tout

Turning over a baby to an adoptive family is such a crushingly heartbreaking thing for most birth mothers to do - Catholic Charities (here locally, anyhow) offers pre-birth and after-birth counseling to deal with it.

As for the sex - the weird thing is - folks don't mind the illicit sex so much as long as nobody shows any evidence of it. A pregnancy is just such evidence, and the thing is, the condition of being pregnant is in no way sinful in any religion that I know of.

Lots of things are just backwards.

A friend of mine once told me about a high school classmate of hers at a very prestigious private high school. She got pregnant, and they told her she had two choices: abort or leave the school. So she left the school.

They didn't mind her having been sexually active, but she wasn't going to be PREGNANT at their school. They were, apparently, quite shocked at her decision. Her family was very supportive, however.

87 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:14:40pm

re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist

A friend of mine once told me about a high school classmate of hers at a very prestigious private high school. She got pregnant, and they told her she had two choices: abort or leave the school. So she left the school.

They didn't mind her having been sexually active, but she wasn't going to be PREGNANT at their school. They were, apparently, quite shocked at her decision. Her family was very supportive, however.

My daughter's school wanted her to leave. I was determined she would not be pushed out. I quit dealing with them when their only "solutions" involved the question "When will she be transferring out?". I just stopped dealing with them, kept paying the tuition, and daughter just kept going to school. Oh and the nun who was supt. of Catholic schools at the time was also supportive of OUR take on it - if we want our kids to do what we teach as re: abortion, then we cannot punish them if they become pregnant.

The school was embarrassed about the pregnancy. Little or no embarrassment, apparently, at the fact that half their students were sexually active.

88 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:15:46pm

re: #80 eclectic infidel

I have always maintained that this and this alone is why abortion IS a right of every woman, whether she wishes to use it or not.

The anti-abortion side refuses to recognize this and even if they do, they trivialize it away, demanding that the woman must submit to a "higher authority" (be it their imagined god or a moral standard that's highly subjective).

Exactly.

What also many fail to understand is that I can feel the way I do about it and say the things I just said and that doesn't mean I would get an abortion.

I wouldn't and know I wouldn't because I did have the make that decision one time, nature took it's course though and made a longer term decision for me. It doesn't even matter what my personal specific reason were for my choice either, because IT WAS MINE. So yes even though I personally wouldn't chose one it doesn't change the way I feel about it, as an issue of control and that I wouldn't be on the front lines ensuring that women as a whole maintain rights over their bodies.

89 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:17:12pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

My daughter's school wanted her to leave. I was determined she would not be pushed out. I quit dealing with them when their only "solutions" involved the question "When will she be transferring out?". I just stopped dealing with them, kept paying the tuition, and daughter just kept going to school. Oh and the nun who was supt. of Catholic schools at the time was also supportive of OUR take on it - if we want our kids to do what we teach as re: abortion, then we cannot punish them if they become pregnant.

The school was embarrassed about the pregnancy. Little or no embarrassment, apparently, at the fact that half their students were sexually active.

In my wife's generation, pregnant girls were not permitted to stay in Kentucky public highschools. Now Lousiville schools have incorporated day-care centers.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:17:55pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

My daughter's school wanted her to leave. I was determined she would not be pushed out. I quit dealing with them when their only "solutions" involved the question "When will she be transferring out?". I just stopped dealing with them, kept paying the tuition, and daughter just kept going to school. Oh and the nun who was supt. of Catholic schools at the time was also supportive of OUR take on it - if we want our kids to do what we teach as re: abortion, then we cannot punish them if they become pregnant.

The school was embarrassed about the pregnancy. Little or no embarrassment, apparently, at the fact that half their students were sexually active.

I don't know what the school I was at last year would have done if a kid were pregnant. I do know that one of our seniors was enormously proud of the fact that he was going to cross the stage at our graduation twice--having already done so once in utero when his mom graduated eighteen years previously.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:21:07pm

re: #88 Jadespring

Exactly.

What also many fail to understand is that I can feel the way I do about it and say the things I just said and that doesn't mean I would get an abortion.

I wouldn't and know I wouldn't because I did have the make that decision one time, nature took it's course though and made a longer term decision for me. It doesn't even matter what my personal specific reason were for my choice either, because IT WAS MINE. So yes even though I personally wouldn't chose one it doesn't change the way I feel about it, as an issue of control and that I wouldn't be on the front lines ensuring that women as a whole maintain rights over their bodies.

Friend of mine is a very passionate pro-choice activist. About five years ago, she got pregnant, entirely by accident, and was thrilled.

She told me that a lot of people told her she would change her mind about abortion, now that she was pregnant. She said she found it frustrating, because it implied that she was only pro-choice because she didn't know how wonderful babies were. She got that part already.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:21:33pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

In my wife's generation, pregnant girls were not permitted to stay in Kentucky public highschools. Now Lousiville schools have incorporated day-care centers.

Buzzsawmonkey would say that was absolutely terrible, if he were still here.

93 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:22:59pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

Buzzsawmonkey would say that was absolutely terrible, if he were still here.

Nothing more patriotic than an unemployable single mother.

94 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:23:05pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know what the school I was at last year would have done if a kid were pregnant. I do know that one of our seniors was enormously proud of the fact that he was going to cross the stage at our graduation twice--having already done so once in utero when his mom graduated eighteen years previously.

That's a great story!

Look - I did NOT want to have to deal with a pregnant teenaged daughter, but the situation came about and so we did deal with it.

Fifteen-year-old brains do not think with the maturity and clarity of a kid who's even just 2 or 3 years older. Fifteen-year-olds are idiots, and full of raging hormones. So, shit happens. I would have preferred it didn't, but it did. And there was no way I was going to let my kid feel like less of a person because of it.

95 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:24:34pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

My daughter's school wanted her to leave. I was determined she would not be pushed out. I quit dealing with them when their only "solutions" involved the question "When will she be transferring out?". I just stopped dealing with them, kept paying the tuition, and daughter just kept going to school. Oh and the nun who was supt. of Catholic schools at the time was also supportive of OUR take on it - if we want our kids to do what we teach as re: abortion, then we cannot punish them if they become pregnant.

The school was embarrassed about the pregnancy. Little or no embarrassment, apparently, at the fact that half their students were sexually active.

Congratulations to you and your daughter for standing your ground. I hope that everything worked out well.

Back in my corporate world days, I supervised a lady who had her first (of a "mere" five in six years) son about 7.5 months after graduation from a Catholic girls' HS next door to a major Catholic boys' HS. It was a running joke in her circle about all the miraculous, healthy, full-sized 6-7-8 month babies that came out of her school. "But no one was allowed to graduate who LOOKED pregnant".

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:24:41pm

re: #68 wozzablog

How did that Helen of Troy thing play out?

Crap. Am I gonna hafta build a big, wooden C'thulhu?

97 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:26:12pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

Crap. Am I gonna hafta build a big, wooden C'thulhu?

LOL

98 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:26:17pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

In my wife's generation, pregnant girls were not permitted to stay in Kentucky public highschools. Now Lousiville schools have incorporated day-care centers.

I bet there was no problem with the guy that was part of the tango that got the girl that way staying in school.

There never seems to be.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:26:56pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

That's a great story!

Look - I did NOT want to have to deal with a pregnant teenaged daughter, but the situation came about and so we did deal with it.

Fifteen-year-old brains do not think with the maturity and clarity of a kid who's even just 2 or 3 years older. Fifteen-year-olds are idiots, and full of raging hormones. So, shit happens. I would have preferred it didn't, but it did. And there was no way I was going to let my kid feel like less of a person because of it.

Which is why you are an awesome mom. Kids are gonna get pregnant. That's a basic fact of life--no matter what, we're gonna have some kids getting pregnant. It's how we, the adults who make the community around them, handle it, that makes all the difference.

Your daughter is an incredibly lucky young woman, Reine, to have you for her mother.

100 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:27:20pm

re: #95 ClaudeMonet

Congratulations to you and your daughter for standing your ground. I hope that everything worked out well.

Back in my corporate world days, I supervised a lady who had her first (of a "mere" five in six years) son about 7.5 months after graduation from a Catholic girls' HS next door to a major Catholic boys' HS. It was a running joke in her circle about all the miraculous, healthy, full-sized 6-7-8 month babies that came out of her school. "But no one was allowed to graduate who LOOKED pregnant".

Things are now great.
The baby was placed for adoption.
Daughter has regular contact with the adoptive parents, updates, photos - I run into the mom occasionally around town, get to hear all the latest news.

But the day daughter handed that baby over to them was the single most painful day of her life, ever. I know that for fact. But it was absolutely the best decision for that child.

101 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:27:48pm

re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is why you are an awesome mom. Kids are gonna get pregnant. That's a basic fact of life--no matter what, we're gonna have some kids getting pregnant. It's how we, the adults who make the community around them, handle it, that makes all the difference.

Your daughter is an incredibly lucky young woman, Reine, to have you for her mother.

*snort*
Somebody needs to tell her that one day.
LOL.

102 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:29:20pm

1: What was the first time the supreme court had to be repudiated with mass bloodshed?

2: Why do the unborn have a right to use another person's organs without their permission but not the living?

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:30:05pm

re: #98 Jadespring

I bet there was no problem with the guy that was part of the tango that got the girl that way staying in school.

There never seems to be.

Heck, back in the day, women weren't permitted to teach if they were pregnant. God forbid the children should see a pregnant woman.

104 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:32:28pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

1: What was the first time the supreme court had to be repudiated with mass bloodshed?

I think it's probably a reference to the American Revolution.

105 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:33:36pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I favor showing movies of labor and childbirth to teenagers. Graphic ones.

106 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:33:38pm

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

Crap. Am I gonna hafta build a big, wooden C'thulhu?

Yup. And leave it outside the gates of the Family Research Council...........

107 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:33:58pm

re: #105 Obdicut

I favor showing movies of labor and childbirth to teenagers. Graphic ones.

I prefer the prequel.

108 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:34:38pm

re: #105 Obdicut

I favor showing movies of labor and childbirth to teenagers. Graphic ones.

Done and done!

109 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:34:41pm

re: #56 Jadespring

My uterus is atatched to me a sovereign individual and not a state controlled sack of flesh.

Yes, exactly.

Whatever someone else's personal or religious objections to abortion, they don't own my body, or control what medical decisions I make for myself.

110 BishopX  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:34:43pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

1: What was the first time the supreme court had to be repudiated with mass bloodshed?

2: Why do the unborn have a right to use another person's organs without their permission but not the living?

1:The Dred Scott decision required the civil war to overturn.

2:Who says the living don't have a right? You mean I'm the only one liver squatting on my drinking binges? That's gonna turn out be a headache.

111 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:35:41pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

Your second question would make more sense if
A-the unborn had a choice about their conception, and B-They had any alternative but dying.

Caveat-I do support a woman's right to end a pregnancy. I'm addressing Jamesfirecats question strictly on the logic it presents.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:36:29pm

re: #104 Jadespring

I think it's probably a reference to the American Revolution.

We didn't have the Supreme Court then. I think the people who think it's a reference to Dredd Scott are probably correct.

113 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:36:29pm

re: #101 reine.de.tout

*snort*
Somebody needs to tell her that one day.
LOL.

Almost all mother/daughter relationships are that way, especially when the daughter is a teenager. The subject came up the last time I had dinner with my mother, who was recounting her battles with her mother. I said, "Mom, you're 80 and she's been dead for 26 years. The war's over.", which at least got a laugh.

I'm glad you're in touch with the adoptive parents. Friends of mine (who couldn't have their own child due to the mother's chronic conditions) adopted a HS romance-turned-pregnancy baby last year, the son of the star high school QB (white) and cute cheerleader (black). They're keeping the birth parents in the loop, and everything's great.

114 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:36:52pm

Reine+SFZ=Awesome discussion.

As I'm listening to a house music mix with MLK's 'I Have A Dream' speech interwoven by the DJ.

Good moment.

115 ihateronpaul  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:37:10pm

these stupid women, thinking they have control over their bodies!

/

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:37:24pm

re: #107 wozzablog

I prefer the prequel.

Dave Chappelle favors teaching sex ed by having the principal make love to the oldest teacher of the opposite sex on staff, in front of the kids. He feels that this will ensure abstinence for YEARS.

117 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:37:34pm

re: #110 BishopX

1:The Dred Scott decision required the civil war to overturn.

2:Who says the living don't have a right? You mean I'm the only one liver squatting on my drinking binges? That's gonna turn out be a headache.

I mean as in, if the government can rule that someone else (an unborn fetus) has a right to make use of your organs if they would die without them, then what is to stop them from sending notes to people saying they must come in and donate a kidney to keep someone alive?

Or if you want to tone it down a notch from taking things away from people that can't be replaced, mandatory blood donations.

118 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:38:17pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Dave Chappelle favors teaching sex ed by having the principal make love to the oldest teacher of the opposite sex on staff, in front of the kids. He feels that this will ensure abstinence for YEARS.

Python - meaning of life.

119 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:38:31pm

re: #114 BigPapa

Reine+SFZ=Awesome discussion.

As I'm listening to a house music mix with MLK's 'I Have A Dream' speech interwoven by the DJ.

Good moment.

not a football fan eh?

120 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:38:59pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Dave Chappelle favors teaching sex ed by having the principal make love to the oldest teacher of the opposite sex on staff, in front of the kids. He feels that this will ensure abstinence for YEARS.

That's a horrible image--and Chappelle is right!

My HS principal and Miss C.--oh my.

121 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:39:30pm
Here at RedState, we too have drawn a line. We will not endorse any candidate who will not reject the judicial usurpation of Roe v. Wade and affirm that the unborn are no less entitled to a right to live simply because of their size or their physical location. Those who wish to write on the front page of RedState must make the same pledge. The reason for this is simple: once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed. We remain steadfast in our belief that this will not be necessary again, but only if those committed to justice do not waiver or compromise, and send a clear and unmistakable signal to their elected officials of what must be necessary to earn our support.

Twenty or so years ago, I used to be pretty much anti-abortion. But, I have guy parts, so a good many facts around the issue never occurred to me at the time.

Since then I have learned a lot more about the issue, about the many different circumstances and conditions around it. It is necessary that abortion remain legal and safe, even late term abortion.

If these knuckle-dragging shit-heels want to start a revolution over the issue, they will find themselves up against more than just the U.S. military.

122 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:39:35pm

re: #111 Rightwingconspirator

Your second question would make more sense if
A-the unborn had a choice about their conception, and B-They had any alternative but dying.

Caveat-I do support a woman's right to end a pregnancy. I'm addressing Jamesfirecats question strictly on the logic it presents.

But by the same token, a living person who has failing livers for whatever reason has no alternative to die unless they get a transplant.... and you can give a liver transplant without killing yourself...

Do we want to set a precedent that keeping person A alive is more important than person B having full control of their organs?

123 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:40:33pm

re: #56 Jadespring

Well to me it still comes down to and issue of rights as a woman. People are well within their rights to talk about why abortion is wrong and how they think a fetus has the same rights as a living person. They are within their rights to talk about and tell me about all the religious reasons I should or shouldn't. They are withing their rights to convince me using all the types of rhetoric and talk that they want.

End of it all though I have the right to choose whether I listen or not. The government or the state has no right to tell me what I may or may not do with my uterus in this regard. My uterus is atatched to me a sovereign individual and not a state controlled sack of flesh.

Hear, hear.

I have yet to see any fetal rights folks suggesting we ought to legally require people to provide our blood, organs or even a financial contribution to someone who has medical need. Why should women be required to do so when there is a fetus involved?

124 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:40:44pm

re: #119 Stanley Sea

Not really. I don't mind watching a game here and there but I have some programming certification projects to complete, so it's homework. I enjoyed watching the Giants run and the Saints/Colts Superbowl last year but for the most part I am a sports Anti-Fan.

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:41:01pm

re: #108 jamesfirecat

Done and done!

Hah! "You do it."

126 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:41:26pm

re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist

We didn't have the Supreme Court then. I think the people who think it's a reference to Dredd Scott are probably correct.

I'm not super familiar with it. What would the bloodshed part refer to then?

127 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:42:32pm

I'm all for zygotes having full rights as long as they don't go on welfare. Everybody has to pull their own weight, being unborn is no excuse.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:43:50pm

re: #126 Jadespring

I'm not super familiar with it. What would the bloodshed part refer to then?

I think they mean the Civil War. As I've been saying, it's not actually a functional analogy.

129 BishopX  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:44:18pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Hmm, perhaps I was a little stingy on the sarc tags for #2.

On a serious note, I think the religious right needs to invest lots and lots of money in fetus-vats. Vat grown kids will solve large parts of the abortion issue.

130 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:45:06pm

re: #127 BigPapa

I'm all for zygotes having full rights as long as they don't go on welfare. Everybody has to pull their own weight, being unborn is no excuse.

There was a cartoon years ago with (I believe) Jesse Helms looking at a pregnant woman saying something along the lines of "Ah, the wonder of life". Next panel: Woman holding small child by the hand with Helms saying "Sniveling little welfare cheat".

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:45:24pm

re: #129 BishopX

Nipple-necks?

132 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:45:42pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat
re: #122 jamesfirecat

That's an easy one-We have volunteers and cadavers that can and do provide donated organs, a non existent option for the unborn. So, you present a very different circumstance. And so I do not propose one life is more important than another, apart from medical triage where medical first responders do exactly that. They choose to help those who may survive, and withhold care from those who they think can not. Fortunately a rare tragedy indeed.

Is there a way to transplant a second trimester fetus from one mother to another woman? When that is medically possible your analogy makes more sense.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:45:43pm

reactionary adults engaging in this kind of talk, it's like kids talking about all the superpowers they want. "watch out man! There's like, gonna be a reckoning! You'll see! Just you wait! We're like all chests puffed up and threatening and stuff!"

basically, it's all power fantasy. problem is, the adult reactionary kind ends in bloodshed.

134 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:45:57pm

Rofl...
[Link: imgsrv.gocomics.com...]

135 BishopX  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:46:10pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

What?

136 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:46:35pm

re: #54 Charles

RedState:

I think you should include that in the original post. These people need some exposure.

137 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:47:17pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they mean the Civil War. As I've been saying, it's not actually a functional analogy.

Oh okay. I think I see it now. Though, yeah, not really functional.

138 Jymn  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:47:33pm

At least it didn't use 'refudiate'. I bet they wanted to.

As to the bloodshed, RedState is a southern blog. They're still pissed about losing the war. The Civil War.

139 AK-47%  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:48:37pm

So what it looks like is that unless these people elect a candidate who will actively work to overturn Roe vs. Wade, we can expect bloodshed in coming years.

And there will be no arguing with them if they are arrested and tried for acts of terrorism, they will plead that they were defending unborn life and see themselves as martyrs to the cause.

John Brown's fetus...

140 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:49:01pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

I don't think that's "an easy one" considering the length of the lists of people waiting for organs. Many die awaiting donors.

141 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:49:23pm
once before, our nation was forced to repudiate the Supreme Court with mass bloodshed.

The level of pidgin-logic and historical ignorance in this statement is incredible. As far as anyone can tell, this refers to Dred Scott and similar decisions, and the beginning of the Civil War. The Red-Staters apparently want us to believe that the North started the Civil War (they didn't) in direct defiance of the Supreme Court (SCOTUS had nothing to do with it) and for the avowed purpose of abolishing slavery (that wasn't their motivation for fighting, at least not initially).
The various court rulings in favor of slavery were legally and permanently overturned by the thirteenth amendment.

142 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:49:42pm

re: #124 BigPapa

Not really. I don't mind watching a game here and there but I have some programming certification projects to complete, so it's homework. I enjoyed watching the Giants run and the Saints/Colts Superbowl last year but for the most part I am a sports Anti-Fan.

I got a TV tuner card..... the only TV in the living room is the 'puter and the screen is sizable like any window.

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:50:04pm

re: #18 Girth

At this point it would not surprise me in the least to see the right-wing double down on the violent imagery just because they see the left (not without justification I would argue) worked up about it. One thing that all wingers have in common is their childish need to needle anyone they perceive as a liberal, i.e. the whole "Democrat Party" crap.

which actually over time, turns out in the favor of Democrats, because the crazier and more petty they get, the more independents start to pull away

These guys don't understand they're not going to be able to simultaneously go nativist so-con, shrink their tend and ALSO pull in the middle during a general election

144 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:50:10pm

D_F - you reading?

145 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:50:33pm

re: #135 BishopX

Back in the 90's there was some lame, short lived sci-fi show where some humans were grown to adulthood in tanks to be soldiers. Many of the natural born soldiers derogatorily refereed to them as "nipple-necks", because the tank's umbilical cord attached to the back of the neck, and left a permanent little nub when detached.

146 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:50:49pm

re: #140 calochortus

I meant the mistaken logic of the analogy was easy to answer, not the circumstances of tragedy. Whew, thanks for letting me clear that up.

147 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:50:49pm

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

re: #122 jamesfirecat

That's an easy one-We have volunteers and cadavers that can and do provide donated organs, a non existent option for the unborn. So, you present a very different circumstance. And so I do not propose one life is more important than another, apart from medical triage where medical first responders do exactly that. They choose to help those who may survive, and withhold care from those who they think can not. Fortunately a rare tragedy indeed.

Is there a way to transplant a second trimester fetus from one mother to another woman? When that is medically possible your analogy makes more sense.

At the moment there are still people dieing waiting for liver transplants.

So long as that is the case, my analogy holds true because there are people who are dieing because other people won't give them their organs.

My issue here is not about saying one life is more important than another.

It is an issue about do we as a people have a right to say "no you can't have my organs, and if even if you die, then while that is very deplorable there is nothing about my choice to withhold that which would allow you to survive which is legally wrong. It would be a very nice thing if I did it, but it should be my choice but no one elses."

Do you think that legally we should allow the government to have the ability to control our organs for the sake of saving someone else's life, or should we be allowed to legally withhold them even if it cost someone their life?

148 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:51:07pm

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

Back in the 90's there was some lame, short lived sci-fi show where some humans were grown to adulthood in tanks to be soldiers. Many of the natural born soldiers derogatorily refereed to them as "nipple-necks", because the tank's umbilical cord attached to the back of the neck, and left a permanent little nub when detached.

That sounds familiar...
Can't place the name...

149 BishopX  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:52:48pm

re: #145 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah, I hadn't heard of that before. I was thinking of something more along the lines of "tubing" as described by David Webster in the Honor Harrington novels. Simply creating an artificial uterus that could bear a fetus to term.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:52:53pm

Game has begun. Posting from me is going to be light for a bit.re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

I think they mean the Civil War. As I've been saying, it's not actually a functional analogy.

True that.

151 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:53:10pm

I just created an open thread in the Pages for discussing the Packers-Bears game...

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:53:27pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

The level of pidgin-logic and historical ignorance in this statement is incredible. As far as anyone can tell, this refers to Dred Scott and similar decisions, and the beginning of the Civil War. The Red-Staters apparently want us to believe that the North started the Civil War (they didn't) in direct defiance of the Supreme Court (SCOTUS had nothing to do with it) and for the avowed purpose of abolishing slavery (that wasn't their motivation for fighting, at least not initially).
The various court rulings in favor of slavery were legally and permanently overturned by the thirteenth amendment.

Southern revisionist monoculture and CV about the civil war, that ship has sailed, they're just always going to protect themselves with all their confederate bs

An entire generation is going to need to pass before those attitudes start to shift in any meaningful way

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:53:36pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

D_F - you reading?

Yes, I'm here.

154 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:54:41pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

That sounds familiar...
Can't place the name...

Space: Above and Beyond.

155 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:54:54pm

Oh dear. I'm falling asleep I've barely done anything today. How can I be tired?

156 AK-47%  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:55:00pm

We could seitch over to the Karl Pilkington approach to reproduction:

Youtube Video
157 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:55:02pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

Space: Above and Beyond.

those were the days

I was busy watching X-Files :D

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:55:12pm

re: #155 Jadespring

Oh dear. I'm falling asleep I've barely done anything today. How can I be tired?

moar caffiene

159 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:55:28pm

re: #148 Varek Raith

That sounds familiar...
Can't place the name...

It was a wholly unremarkable and forgettable piece of sci-fi, I don't think it even ran for a full season.

I can't remember the name of the show or who was in it, but that nipple-neck thing stuck in my mind for some reason.

160 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:57:22pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

go to the page!

161 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:57:31pm

re: #158 WindUpBird

moar caffiene

I'll drink to that! Moahr french press Kona coming right up.

162 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:57:32pm

re: #147 jamesfirecat

At the moment there are still people dieing waiting for liver transplants.


That is more of a case of medical technology limits-matching organs, and enough cadaver volunteers, which really should be much more strongly encouraged. So a less lethal solution is there, if in the future.

Do you think that legally we should allow the government to have the ability to control our organs for the sake of saving someone else's life, or should we be allowed to legally withhold them even if it cost someone their life?

Not just no but Hell no. As emphatically as I can state. I regard abortion as a woman's right, that results in one less human being existing. Like a triage choice. Legal, necessary, appropriate and no less tragic.

163 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:57:41pm

re: #159 Slumbering Behemoth

It was a wholly unremarkable and forgettable piece of sci-fi, I don't think it even ran for a full season.

I can't remember the name of the show or who was in it, but that nipple-neck thing stuck in my mind for some reason.

Perhaps it was one of the few cases where someone could say "nipple" without someone getting very upset at the outrageous outrage.

164 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:57:52pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

Space: Above and Beyond.

Yup, that's it.

165 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:58:34pm

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

That is more of a case of medical technology limits-matching organs, and enough cadaver volunteers, which really should be much more strongly encouraged. So a less lethal solution is there, if in the future.

Not just no but Hell no. As emphatically as I can state. I regard abortion as a woman's right, that results in one less human being existing. Like a triage choice. Legal, necessary, appropriate and no less tragic.

Then we are in complete agreement on abortions place in society...

166 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 12:59:39pm

re: #165 jamesfirecat

That we are.

167 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:02:38pm

re: #165 jamesfirecat

Tangentially related-Paged.

New York (CNN) -- A woman suspected of snatching an infant from a New York hospital in 1987 was in custody Sunday after surrendering to authorities in Connecticut, the FBI said.
Ann Pettway turned herself in to the FBI office in Bridgeport, Connecticut, Sunday morning, FBI spokesman William Reiner said.

168 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:03:29pm

re: #155 Jadespring

Naps. It's what Sundays are for. :-)

169 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:04:14pm

re: #165 jamesfirecat

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

What the fuck is all this agreement and understanding each others positions and sensible attitudes towards public policy crap? You're letting down Glen Beck!

170 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:04:46pm

This is not exactly breaking news, but in various polls taken during the last decade, a healthy majority of Americans come down on the side of abortion being "safe, legal and early"

So, if we're going to to talk about a, ummm, lost cause, I'd say revolution to outlaw abortion entirely would certainly fall into that category. Its fairly easy to nibble around the edges and go after "those" people, but most Americans don't want to outlaw it.

171 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:04:57pm

This is interesting: Gov. Chris Christie declines to counter State of the Union speech

William Palatucci, Gov. Chris Christie’s close personal and political confidante, told The Auditor that Republican leadership had inquired with the governor about rebutting President Obama’s big speech on Tuesday.

“They tried to see if there was some interest, and there wasn’t any,” Palatucci said.
He said Christie wants to stick to New Jersey.

That's quite an opportunity to pass up. My guess is he might not have wanted to say what the wingnuts want him to.

172 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:05:02pm

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator


Not just no but Hell no. As emphatically as I can state. I regard abortion as a woman's right, that results in one less human being existing. Like a triage choice. Legal, necessary, appropriate and no less tragic.

Well said.

173 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:05:08pm

re: #169 Obdicut

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

What the fuck is all this agreement and understanding each others positions and sensible attitudes towards public policy crap? You're letting down Glen Beck!

FOOD FIGHT!!!

174 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:06:38pm

re: #169 Obdicut

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

What the fuck is all this agreement and understanding each others positions and sensible attitudes towards public policy crap? You're letting down Glen Beck!

LOL. Sorry to "disappoint" you. :D

175 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:06:41pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

FOOD FIGHT!!!

Image: ?cid=PBF182-Food_Fight.jpg

176 AK-47%  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:06:44pm

re: #170 calochortus

I believe that a lot of those Americans who oppose abortion on principle have enough sense to know what an outright ban on it would lead to and want to keep the option open in the case that their daughter gets knocked up by some loser from Alaska...

177 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:08:23pm

re: #169 Obdicut

LOL. Every chance I get, I'll let Glenn Beck down. Especially as I chip away at his (now former) fans. Like my Dad who dropped his show like a hot rock after I showed him a few things.

178 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:08:36pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

This is interesting: Gov. Chris Christie declines to counter State of the Union speech

That's quite an opportunity to pass up. My guess is he might not have wanted to say what the wingnuts want him to.

He probably sees it as a no-win situation, and perhaps he really IS more focused on his state than the President's address.

My only caveat is that if he doesn't counter, someone wingnutty will get his airtime. However, it's his call; I don't get a vote.

179 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:08:57pm

re: #173 Varek Raith

FOOD FIGHT!!!

Youtube Video

(Note the really, really, really creepy comments.)

My favorite is:

How about smashing and trampling bananas or oranges.

180 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:09:03pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

This is interesting: Gov. Chris Christie declines to counter State of the Union speech

That's quite an opportunity to pass up. My guess is he might not have wanted to say what the wingnuts want him to.

Michelle Bachmann will give her own SOTU response, in addition to the official GOP response from Paul Ryan from Wisconsin.

181 Big Joe  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:09:54pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Michelle Bachmann will give her own SOTU response, in addition to the official GOP response from Paul Ryan from Wisconsin.

I am so looking forward to her SOTU response.

182 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:10:15pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

This is interesting: Gov. Chris Christie declines to counter State of the Union speech

That's quite an opportunity to pass up. My guess is he might not have wanted to say what the wingnuts want him to.

Christie is the governor of a blue state, and he knows it. He can't both please the wingnuts and govern effectively and he knows it. So he tries to fly under the wingnuts radar and do his job.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:10:46pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Michelle Bachmann will give her own SOTU response, in addition to the official GOP response from Paul Ryan from Wisconsin.

Paul Ryan is a sane person.

184 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:11:14pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Michelle Bachmann will give her own SOTU response, in addition to the official GOP response from Paul Ryan from Wisconsin.

See my #178 about "someone wingnutty will get his airtime". Bachmann is about as wingnutty as elected officials get.

185 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:11:20pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Michelle Bachmann will give her own SOTU response, in addition to the official GOP response from Paul Ryan from Wisconsin.

Hold the phone. Say what?

A Republican Congresswoman is going to give a separate SOTU response on a Tea Party forum, from the actual GOP response?

That's freaking insanity. Why would the GOP leadership let her do such a thing?

186 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:11:47pm

re: #184 ClaudeMonet

See my #178 about "someone wingnutty will get his airtime". Bachmann is about as wingnutty as elected officials get.

Heh.
I just saw that, right after I posted that about Michelle Bachmann.

187 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:11:50pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Paul Ryan is a sane person.

Paul Ryan would have to get up pretty early to be crazier than Michelle Bachmann.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:11:58pm

re: #184 ClaudeMonet

See my #178 about "someone wingnutty will get his airtime". Bachmann is about as wingnutty as elected officials get.

So far.

189 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:12:12pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold the phone. Say what?

A Republican Congresswoman is going to give a separate SOTU response on a Tea Party forum, from the actual GOP response?

That's freaking insanity. Why would the GOP leadership let her do such a thing?

They are not in control of the party.

190 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:12:19pm

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Bachmann is an accomplished self-promoter (with a startling talent for factual inaccuracies)

Understatement of the year?

191 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:12:35pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Christie is the governor of a blue state, and he knows it. He can't both please the wingnuts and govern effectively and he knows it. So he tries to fly under the wingnuts radar and do his job.

Christie is fat, but hardly stupid. His job is tough enough without all the grief he'd get.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:12:52pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

They are not in control of the party.

I'm starting to get that impression.

193 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:12:55pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think the GOP leadership is giving her anything. As I recall, she's doing it on the intertubes.

194 AK-47%  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:13:07pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold the phone. Say what?

A Republican Congresswoman is going to give a separate SOTU response on a Tea Party forum, from the actual GOP response?

That's freaking insanity. Why would the GOP leadership let her do such a thing?

The Tea Party takes orders from nobody. The GOP is expected to take orders from them...

195 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:13:10pm

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

Nipple-necks?

upding for the reference. Really liked that show.

196 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:13:45pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

So far.

Point taken, much to my gastric distress.

197 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:13:49pm

re: #193 calochortus

I don't think the GOP leadership is giving her anything. As I recall, she's doing it on the intertubes.

Yeah, but in the good old days, it would have taken one phone call, and Bachmann would have backed away from the idea.

Republicans used to be known for party discipline.

198 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:14:04pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold the phone. Say what?

A Republican Congresswoman is going to give a separate SOTU response on a Tea Party forum, from the actual GOP response?

That's freaking insanity. Why would the GOP leadership let her do such a thing?

Because if they were to pull her back from it, she might well refuse to do as they say. And if she did that, they'd have to punish her. And if the GOP leadership were to punish Michelle Bachmann, much of their base would go nuts.

199 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:14:25pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

They are not in control of the party.

That's precisely the kind of message this "shadow response" will send. Perhaps that is her intention.

200 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:14:57pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but in the good old days, it would have taken one phone call, and Bachmann would have backed away from the idea.

Republicans used to be known for party discipline.

They still are. Read: Lunatics in charge of the asylum.

201 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:15:04pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but in the good old days, it would have taken one phone call, and Bachmann would have backed away from the idea.

Republicans used to be known for party discipline.

I must be having a bad afternoon. Discipline. Michelle Bachmann. Must get brain bleach... //

202 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:16:17pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold the phone. Say what?

A Republican Congresswoman is going to give a separate SOTU response on a Tea Party forum, from the actual GOP response?

That's freaking insanity. Why would the GOP leadership let her do such a thing?

I read that both Barack Obama and someone else gave the response to GWB before. Not unprecedented.

But going under the Tea Party as a 3rd party is.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:16:20pm

Now, the real question is, does Paul Ryan have any strong feelings about volcanoes?

204 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:16:33pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but in the good old days, it would have taken one phone call, and Bachmann would have backed away from the idea.

Republicans used to be known for party discipline.

Boehner is from a background of "do what you're told", not "do the right thing" or "know what to do".

205 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:17:11pm

re: #199 Slumbering Behemoth

That's precisely the kind of message this "shadow response" will send. Perhaps that is her intention.

The basic problem is that thanks to Fox and various Tea Party outlets, Bachmann is able to reach the base more effectively than the leadership can. They can't really afford a showdown with her unless they can remedy that problem.

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:18:54pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

I read that both Barack Obama and someone else gave the response to GWB before. Not unprecedented.

But going under the Tea Party as a 3rd party is.

Sure, since the response is customary and not mandated, I suppose they can do it any way they like. But doing a separate one through the Tea Party Express feels bizarre, to say the least.

207 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:18:58pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Paul Ryan is a sane person.

He wants to completely eliminate tax on unearned income. He may be sane, but that's extremely unwise.

208 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:19:18pm

That's that piece of shit Erick Erection who's afraid of losing his CNN gig if he puts his name on his more inflammatory posts.

209 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:21:21pm

re: #208 darthstar

That's that piece of shit Erick Erection who's afraid of losing his CNN gig if he puts his name on his more inflammatory posts.

Freudian slip?

210 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:22:30pm

I read that Redstate post, and what I'm REALLY reading is "Durka Durka! Mohammed Jihad!", just without the Mohammed part.

211 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:23:37pm

Introducing The Palestine Papers

Al Jazeera has obtained more than 1,600 internal documents from a decade of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.


Has anyone been following this?

212 Jimmi the Grey  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:23:54pm

I'm just trying to get my head around the subtext of the story. Do I have this right:

Respect life or we'll kill you.

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:24:32pm

re: #212 Jimmi the Grey

I'm just trying to get my head around the subtext of the story. Do I have this right:

Respect life or we'll kill you.

Bubba, The Dead Terrorist

214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:25:13pm

I am beginning to think that I am not a Conservative.

215 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:25:29pm

Secret papers reveal slow death of Middle East peace process


• Massive new leak lifts lid on negotiations
• PLO offered up key settlements in East Jerusalem
• Concessions made on refugees and Holy sites
216 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:26:12pm

re: #212 Jimmi the Grey

I'm just trying to get my head around the subtext of the story. Do I have this right:

Respect life or we'll kill you.

That would be it. The difference is innocent life vs. corrupted, evil life (you know, those of us who have actually been born.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:26:36pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Introducing The Palestine Papers


Has anyone been following this?

24 hour rule. Al Jazeera is entirely capable of making this up.

218 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:26:46pm

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am beginning to think that I am not a Conservative.

The word has kinda lost its meaning. As a political philosophy it think it has arrived at something of a dead end.

219 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:26:50pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Freudian slip?

Nah...the guy's a walking prick so I spell it like it should be pronounced. (though I used to "misspell" it Ericksion which was phonetically the same though he's too thick in the head to understand the subtlety so I went to the traditional spelling of the word)

220 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:27:08pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Even power point presentations!
//

They say they're not releasing details or sources. So what guarantee does anyone have they're not fabricated?

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:28:18pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

My dream? (WARNING: Unprecedented Wishful Thinking Ahead)

The far-right reactionaries, loons, zealots, birchers, etc., split from the (R) party to create a 3rd party, the (T) party. Following the split, the (R) and (T) parties will lack the support required for either party to remain relevant. They wither away into obscurity and become historical footnotes.

To fill the void, moderate and blue-dog democrats split from the (D) party, and create a more moderate, rational conservative party than the crummy one we have now.

222 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:28:18pm

re: #185 SanFranciscoZionist

Hold the phone. Say what?

A Republican Congresswoman is going to give a separate SOTU response on a Tea Party forum, from the actual GOP response?

That's freaking insanity. Why would the GOP leadership let her do such a thing?

Because they can't control the TPers, even the elected Congresspeople such as Bachmann...the GOP leadership is weak and ineffectual.

223 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:29:30pm

re: #222 talon_262

Because they can't control the TPers, even the elected Congresspeople such as Bachmann...the GOP leadership is weak and ineffectual.

Never saw that coming.
Nope.
No sirree.

224 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:29:34pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

24 hour rule. Al Jazeera is entirely capable of making this up.

From the guardian...

The documents – many of which will be published by the Guardian over the coming days – also reveal:

• The scale of confidential concessions offered by Palestinian negotiators, including on the highly sensitive issue of the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

• How Israeli leaders privately asked for some Arab citizens to be transferred to a new Palestinian state.

• The intimate level of covert co-operation between Israeli security forces and the Palestinian Authority.

• The central role of British intelligence in drawing up a secret plan to crush Hamas in the Palestinian territories.

• How Palestinian Authority (PA) leaders were privately tipped off about Israel's 2008-9 war in Gaza.

Looks like it's moslty previously reported stuff. I don't think there's much new here but I suspect this leak is designed to inflame the Palestinians to overthrow the PA.

225 BishopX  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:29:36pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

The guardian has apparently confirmed some of the negotiation transcripts with former US and Israeli officials who were present.

226 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:30:21pm

re: #214 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am beginning to think that I am not a Conservative.

You're not a reactionary nut ball. There is a difference.

227 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:30:58pm

re: #197 SanFranciscoZionist

Republicans used to be known for party discipline.

That was before the Tea Party lunatics took over and pushed the party into going full retard.

228 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:31:18pm

George Galloway is flipping out....
The shame on the "negotiators" (collaborators) who offered this will never be eradicated. #PalestinePapers

229 harlequinade  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:31:18pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

I'm reading the same Guardian site you're on. The hash-tag #palestinepapers is being used on Twitter but it's a lot of RT's or RT's

230 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:31:26pm

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

Your keyboard to God's monitor.

231 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:31:51pm

re: #218 Killgore Trout

The word has kinda lost its meaning. As a political philosophy it think it has arrived at something of a dead end.

The base doesn't want Classical Liberal/Conservative philosophy any more. They want bloody red meat, and tons of it.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:31:59pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

From the guardian...

Looks like it's moslty previously reported stuff. I don't think there's much new here but I suspect this leak is designed to inflame the Palestinians to overthrow the PA.

And that may happen. But such an outcome would mean more war.

233 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:32:09pm

re: #212 Jimmi the Grey

Respect life or we'll kill you.

That's the far-right "pro-life" position in a nutshell.

234 harlequinade  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:32:54pm

Al-Jazeera has it's on whistle blowing site!

[Link: transparency.aljazeera.net...]

235 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:33:08pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

George Galloway is flipping out...
The shame on the "negotiators" (collaborators) who offered this will never be eradicated. #PalestinePapers

George Galloway can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.

236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:33:38pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

A red hot one?

237 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:34:00pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Whoa!
Show some freaking respect for railroad spikes!
Damn!

238 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:34:31pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

Anything that makes that slimy POS flip out makes me smile. :)

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:35:06pm

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A red hot one?

No, a rusty one.

240 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:35:16pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, the real question is, does Paul Ryan have any strong feelings about volcanoes?

AND, is he going to look really creepy in whatever lighting they set up for him?

Jindal is not a handsome man. But the lighting they had when he gave his SOTU response made him look really, really strange.

241 harlequinade  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:35:40pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

George Galloway can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.

As a hard core socialist and a Labour Party supporter, I applaude this statement.

242 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:36:00pm

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

My dream? (WARNING: Unprecedented Wishful Thinking Ahead)

The far-right reactionaries, loons, zealots, birchers, etc., split from the (R) party to create a 3rd party, the (T) party. Following the split, the (R) and (T) parties will lack the support required for either party to remain relevant. They wither away into obscurity and become historical footnotes.

To fill the void, moderate and blue-dog democrats split from the (D) party, and create a more moderate, rational conservative party than the crummy one we have now.

There ya go.
I like your wishful thinking.

243 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:36:16pm

re: #231 Slumbering Behemoth

The base doesn't want Classical Liberal/Conservative philosophy any more. They want bloody red meat, and tons of it.

They want red meat by the truckload, wrapped up in the myth of St. Ronald of Reagan, Mom, flags, apple pie, and bein' all mavericky, you betcha. Philosophical debate is for those pointy headed intellectuals and their ivory towers. The common man doesn't need that sort of high-falutin' talk. =P

244 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:37:04pm

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

My dream? (WARNING: Unprecedented Wishful Thinking Ahead)

The far-right reactionaries, loons, zealots, birchers, etc., split from the (R) party to create a 3rd party, the (T) party. Following the split, the (R) and (T) parties will lack the support required for either party to remain relevant. They wither away into obscurity and become historical footnotes.

To fill the void, moderate and blue-dog democrats split from the (D) party, and create a more moderate, rational conservative party than the crummy one we have now.

Had an incredible conversation last night about the "Centrist" party.

245 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:37:20pm

Ya know, having read the Red State article, Erickson misses something absolutely vital. The rights of the fetus would seem to me to hinge not on the location as he states, but rather on the physical attachment to the woman involved through the placenta.

I think this is a fine example of a complete lack of understanding of the reproductive process many pro-life advocates exhibit. Words have meanings. Fertilization doesn't become pregnancy without implantation of the embryo.
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. Not the failure of an egg to implant.
Life begins at conception is a meaningless phrase as presumably the parents were alive to provide the (living) egg and sperm. It is a continuation of life.

246 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:38:02pm

re: #240 reine.de.tout

AND, is he going to look really creepy in whatever lighting they set up for him?

Jindal is not a handsome man. But the lighting they had when he gave his SOTU response made him look really, really strange.

He just needed to exorcise a little more authority over that lighting crew.
/

247 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:38:09pm

re: #240 reine.de.tout

AND, is he going to look really creepy in whatever lighting they set up for him?

Jindal is not a handsome man. But the lighting they had when he gave his SOTU response made him look really, really strange.

Paul Ryan is a budget man and that's what he needs to focus on. He needs to highlight one or two good ideas for reducing the deficit and hammer hard on overspending. Do that and avoid cultural issues entirely, and he can do the Republicans some good.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:38:25pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

George Galloway is flipping out...
The shame on the "negotiators" (collaborators) who offered this will never be eradicated. #PalestinePapers

Oy gevalt.

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:38:59pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

And that may happen. But such an outcome would mean more war.

Unfortunately, for a lot of people out there, that's the ideal.

250 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:39:38pm

re: #245 calochortus

I think this is a fine example of a complete lack of understanding of the reproductive process many pro-life advocates exhibit.

What's to understand? She opened her legs and God saw fit to make her pregnant. End of story.

Understanding the reproductive process would require understanding sex and sexuality, which would lead to the realization that you don't have to subscribe to the dominionist, patriarchal ideas that the pro-life leadership espouse.

251 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:40:14pm

re: #242 reine.de.tout

There ya go.
I like your wishful thinking.

I may well happen, but I see it happening as a rather slow process. Something that we might not see in our lifetime. *sigh*

252 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:40:21pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

And that may happen. But such an outcome would mean more war.

I think that's the whole point. If the arab world think the PA may be capable of making peace with the Israelis they need to be removed. The perpetual war against Israel has become something they all depend on.

253 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:40:36pm

re: #250 Lidane

What's to understand? She opened her legs and God saw fit to make her pregnant. End of story.

Understanding the reproductive process would require understanding sex and sexuality, which would lead to the realization that you don't have to subscribe to the dominionist, patriarchal ideas that the pro-life leadership espouse.

Say what?!
The Stork brought the baby to their doorstep!
The hell you talking about?!
/

254 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:42:57pm

re: #253 Varek Raith

Say what?!
The Stork brought the baby to their doorstep!
The hell you talking about?!
/

That would have been easier than being pregnant. I should have just ordered the kids from the storks.

255 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:43:55pm

re: #253 Varek Raith

Say what?!
The Stork brought the baby to their doorstep!
The hell you talking about?!
/

HERESY! Everyone knows that babies come from cabbage patches. I will not tolerate a storkist world view here. You are every thing that is wrong with this country.
/

256 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:44:04pm

re: #252 Killgore Trout

I think that's the whole point. If the arab world think the PA may be capable of making peace with the Israelis they need to be removed. The perpetual war against Israel has become something they all depend on.

Quite Concur. For Al Jazeera, peace would be like the end of the Culture War for Fox News: They'd lose a lot of viewers and money.

257 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:44:11pm

re: #254 calochortus

You don't know what quality you're going to get with storks, though.

You might get:

Image: ugly_baby.jpg

258 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:45:05pm

re: #257 Obdicut

EWE

259 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:45:19pm

re: #250 Lidane

What's to understand? She opened her legs and God saw fit to make her pregnant. End of story.

Understanding the reproductive process would require understanding sex and sexuality, which would lead to the realization that you don't have to subscribe to the dominionist, patriarchal ideas that the pro-life leadership espouse.

I think its generally an intentionally vague language to persuade people who don't actually agree with their position to think that they do. (Awww, babies...)

260 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:46:54pm

re: #257 Obdicut

You don't know what quality you're going to get with storks, though.

You don't actually know what quality you're getting when you go through looking like a beached whale and having morning sickness either ;-)

261 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:47:00pm

re: #259 calochortus

There are some that do generate a mammoth income from pressing an issue that they know will go nowhere.

262 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:47:21pm

re: #261 Slumbering Behemoth

There are some that do generate a mammoth income from pressing an issue that they know will go nowhere.

True dat.

263 calochortus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:50:42pm

Anyway, one of the results of the beached whale phase of my life (a.k.a. my son) will be here before long with his girlfriend and I need to take care of a couple things before they arrive. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon (or whatever it is where you are.)

264 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:50:52pm

The Packers appear to be dominating the Bears. It's only 14-0, but their last three plays were 20+yards, 19 yards, 9 yards.

265 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:54:28pm

ARGH. *sigh*

266 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 1:56:20pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

Little of that is new. Much of it was suspected all along. Indeed, it can almost read like a Hamas presser - Hamas has repeatedly claimed that the PA and Fatah were little more than puppets for Israel and any kind of security arrangements between Fatah and Israel subverted Palestinian freedom and goals of destroying Israel (to say nothing of Hamas' gaining power).

Israel has been working with the PA in the West Bank - to keep Hamas from gaining a foothold there. Some of that has been covert, but it's largely under the framework of Oslo, even as the PA continues its propaganda against Israel.

267 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:01:00pm

re: #212 Jimmi the Grey

I'm just trying to get my head around the subtext of the story. Do I have this right:

Respect life or we'll kill you.

George Tiller knows that all too well...

268 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:01:52pm

ECHO echo echo echo

269 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:02:07pm

re: #266 lawhawk

Little of that is new. Much of it was suspected all along. Indeed, it can almost read like a Hamas presser - Hamas has repeatedly claimed that the PA and Fatah were little more than puppets for Israel and any kind of security arrangements between Fatah and Israel subverted Palestinian freedom and goals of destroying Israel (to say nothing of Hamas' gaining power).

Israel has been working with the PA in the West Bank - to keep Hamas from gaining a foothold there. Some of that has been covert, but it's largely under the framework of Oslo, even as the PA continues its propaganda against Israel.

As your typical left wing idiot about Israel/Palestinian relations....All I initially see is YAY there is cooperation.

Naive, probably.

270 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:03:49pm

re: #246 Slumbering Behemoth

He just needed to exorcise a little more authority over that lighting crew.
/

*rimshot*

271 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:04:11pm

GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

Republicans are losing ground to decline-to-state voters, who now make up 1 in 5 registered voters, she said. They should be particularly horrified at voter trends among women, who are now 16 percent more likely to register as Democrats than as Republicans.

Hawaii is following suit, with only one GOP member in the state house.

The GOP is 'dead to me.' Which makes sense because it's full of zombies, they keep trying to eat my BWAINZ.

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:04:29pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. For Al Jazeera, peace would be like the end of the Culture War for Fox News: They'd lose a lot of viewers and money.

I also suspect the Revelations loving Megiddo types would hate to see Israel and it's neighbors at peace with each other. They too would lose a lot of viewers and money.

273 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:05:11pm

conservatives are a cancer on human civilization

274 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:06:25pm

re: #257 Obdicut

You don't know what quality you're going to get with storks, though.

You might get:

Image: ugly_baby.jpg

Wow...so that's Rowan Atkinson as a baby?

Looks like he hit a few limbs face-first on the Ugly Tree after the stork dropped him off...

///

275 AK-47%  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:06:27pm

re: #273 SpaceJesus

They don't have to be, but the current crop who are seizing control of the GOP certainly are

276 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:07:06pm

re: #269 Stanley Sea

As your typical left wing idiot about Israel/Palestinian relations...All I initially see is YAY there is cooperation.

Naive, probably.

Yeah, same here. It's why I resolutely avoid most topics having to do with Israel around here. I'm not well-versed enough in all the players or every nuance involved that I'd rather sit the whole thing out.

277 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:08:20pm

re: #271 BigPapa

GOP brand pronounced dead in deep-blue California

The GOP got thoroughly spanked here in the last election.

278 abbyadams  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:08:28pm

re: #27 reine.de.tout

Agree.

Safe, legal, and rare, with plenty of alternatives.

Just had an argument/discussion with my conservative mom. How we got into it isn't really important, but she can't seem to agree with me that some of the problem with conservative tenets is that they deny that we are animals. Yes, we have the intelligence and ability to rise above; but we must acknowledge the lizard part of the brain. Food, survival, and sex.

That's why abstinence only doesn't work. That's why greed is rampant. It's part of out nature to have sex and want all the marbles - our ancestors would never have made it without these things.

Of course, that would require an acceptance of science...

279 abbyadams  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:09:32pm

re: #278 abbyadams

I'm sorry, that should read some conservative ideals. Sorry.

280 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:10:17pm

re: #273 SpaceJesus

Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Keep those memes a rollin'
Trollhide!

281 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:11:44pm

re: #273 SpaceJesus

Tsk, tsk. Try harder.

Karma: 6,096

SpaceJesus

socrates of the blogosphere

(Logged in)
Registered since: Oct 15, 2007 at 4:51 pm
No. of comments posted: 3,527
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282 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:13:14pm

re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth

Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Keep those memes a rollin'
Trollhide!

SJ may be a troll, but he's our troll...I like to think of him at times as Mongo from Blazing Saddles, a bit of a brute but his heart in the right place (most of the time).

283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:14:03pm

re: #281 Varek Raith

Just as I deny the Phelps cult their much desired hatred, I deny SJ his much desired down dings. :P

284 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:14:18pm

re: #282 talon_262

SJ may be a troll, but he's our troll...I like to think of him at times as Mongo from Blazing Saddles, a bit of a brute but his heart in the right place (most of the time).

I thought Mongo was Matrix.

285 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:14:23pm

re: #280 Slumbering Behemoth

Trollin', trollin', trollin'
Keep those memes a rollin'
Trollhide!

Now, you know he gets nervous with all that positive karma he has these days, and has to try to generate some negatives.

286 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:14:46pm

re: #283 Slumbering Behemoth

Just as I deny the Phelps cult their much desired hatred, I deny SJ his much desired down dings. :P

Yeah, I'm not helping much either. I tend to just upding his stuff for the lulz.
:)

287 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:15:38pm

re: #286 Varek Raith

Yeah, I'm not helping much either. I tend to just upding his stuff for the lulz.
:)

Like now.
:P

288 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:15:43pm

re: #282 talon_262

He's not a full troll in the truest sense. He just likes to leave little trolling comments from time to time.

289 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:16:00pm

re: #273 SpaceJesus

Not all "conservatives" are the bigoted, theocratic, anti-science whack-a-doodles that seem to personify the TP and today's GOP, but no one would know it because they get all of the media attention.

/if it bleeds, it leads

290 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:16:21pm

re: #282 talon_262

Youtube Video
291 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:16:42pm

re: #288 Slumbering Behemoth

He's a TINO.

292 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:17:52pm

re: #289 talon_262

Not all "conservatives" are the bigoted, theocratic, anti-science whack-a-doodles that seem to personify the TP and today's GOP, but no one would know it because they get all of the media attention.

/if it bleeds, it leads

Exactly. Nutters always attract more attention.

293 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:17:56pm

re: #289 talon_262

Oops, meant "but no one would know it because they (the wingnuts) get all of the media attention."

294 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:18:20pm

re: #289 talon_262

how can you call yourself conservative if you aren't those things

295 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:18:37pm

re: #273 SpaceJesus

conservatives are a cancer on human civilization

Yeah, Varek is right, -1 won't deal with that 6000+ Karma.

296 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:19:22pm

re: #285 reine.de.tout

Now, you know he gets nervous with all that positive karma he has these days, and has to try to generate some negatives.

There just aren't enough wacko reactionaries left here for his little shtick to work anymore.

297 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:19:55pm

Later gators.re: #295 Sergey Romanov

Yeah, Varek is right, -1 won't deal with that 6000+ Karma.

My policy is to upding SJ's post.
Positive Karma is his nemesis.
:)

298 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:20:07pm

re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth

There just aren't enough wacko reactionaries left here for his little shtick to work anymore.

SJ will just have to live with the shame of having positive karma ;-P

299 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:20:36pm

Things are pretty much going as I predicted. It is my belief that the violent rhetoric will only escalate in the coming years. Gird your loins

300 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:20:54pm

re: #288 Slumbering Behemoth

He's not a full troll in the truest sense. He just likes to leave little trolling comments from time to time.

He's tame here, but is anathema to the Stalkers...

301 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:21:10pm

re: #289 talon_262

I would love it if US politics reached the point where I could be considered a 'conservative'. I like being the guy who, when a pie-in-the-sky idea is proposed, shoots it down, or asks "but will it work", who fact-checks the hopefully programs and sees if they're actually working. I'd rather we spent money practically first and foremost.

See, I consider it 'conservative' of me that I don't want, as Paul Ryan does, to remove all taxation on unearned income. That is a radical proposition. It's not a conservative one.

I think it's a conservative position to say that the Laffer curve is, indeed, a curve, not a line, and we are most probably on the side of needing to raise taxes to increase revenue. Furthermore, I think it's 'conservative' of me to feel that the United States has a special role in the world, and that it would be a very good idea if we maintained our economic and political position-- and in order to do so, we're going to have to excel in science, technology, and green energy, all of which will take heavy government support.

'conservative' and 'liberal' are terms that mean little.

302 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:21:13pm

re: #282 talon_262

SJ may be a troll, but he's our troll...I like to think of him at times as Mongo from Blazing Saddles, a bit of a brute but his heart in the right place (most of the time).

I luv SJ and "get" him. My only "worry" is that his comments are gonna be exploited out of context.

303 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:21:18pm

re: #294 SpaceJesus

Weak sauce. You'd have better luck trolling with such lame bait at HotAir, I think.

304 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:21:59pm

re: #299 Gus 802

Gird your loins

Do you have an explanatory diagram for that? This is my first time loin-girding.

305 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:22:42pm

re: #304 Obdicut

Do you have an explanatory diagram for that? This is my first time loin-girding.

Yeah. I was wondering. Do you do that with surgical tape or strips of leather?

/

306 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:23:13pm

re: #301 Obdicut

I think you just made Baby Space Jesus cry.
/

307 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:23:22pm

re: #294 SpaceJesus

how can you call yourself conservative if you aren't those things

Easy. I value free markets and personal responsibility, coupled with a strong national defense. Keep tryin', SJ.

308 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:23:23pm

re: #304 Obdicut

Do you have an explanatory diagram for that? This is my first time loin-girding.

[Link: www.mockazine.com...]

309 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:23:44pm

re: #305 Gus 802

Yeah. I was wondering. Do you do that with surgical tape or strips of leather?

/

DO NOT use Duct Tape.

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:24:48pm

re: #305 Gus 802

Yeah. I was wondering. Do you do that with surgical tape or strips of leather?

/

Vinyl. You use vinyl. Geez, don't you guys know anything?
/

311 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:25:30pm

re: #308 Varek Raith

Youtube Video

The man to Blessed's right is gay.

312 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:25:36pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

Vinyl. You use vinyl. Geez, don't you guys know anything?
/

Vinyl? I was think either PVC or rubber. I had you figured for a cat gut guy.

/// ///

313 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:26:10pm

re: #301 Obdicut

I would love it if US politics reached the point where I could be considered a 'conservative'. I like being the guy who, when a pie-in-the-sky idea is proposed, shoots it down, or asks "but will it work", who fact-checks the hopefully programs and sees if they're actually working. I'd rather we spent money practically first and foremost.

See, I consider it 'conservative' of me that I don't want, as Paul Ryan does, to remove all taxation on unearned income. That is a radical proposition. It's not a conservative one.

I think it's a conservative position to say that the Laffer curve is, indeed, a curve, not a line, and we are most probably on the side of needing to raise taxes to increase revenue. Furthermore, I think it's 'conservative' of me to feel that the United States has a special role in the world, and that it would be a very good idea if we maintained our economic and political position-- and in order to do so, we're going to have to excel in science, technology, and green energy, all of which will take heavy government support.

'conservative' and 'liberal' are terms that mean little.

IMO, what used to be considered "conservative" before the TPers and wingnuts tainted that term is what used to be called "classical liberalism"...that seems to be where I'm at and it sounds like you're there too.

314 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:26:35pm

Made me chuckle...
Image: yikers_this_is_sparta_wii1.jpg

315 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:28:01pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

Linky bad..

316 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:28:30pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Vinyl? I was think either PVC or rubber. I had you figured for a cat gut guy.

/// ///

You know how hard it is to chase down a cat now-a-days?

317 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:29:02pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

This is also Sparta:

Youtube Video
318 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:30:22pm

re: #316 Slumbering Behemoth

You know how hard it is to chase down a cat now-a-days?

Honey! Your father is chasing after the neighbor's cat again!

//

319 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:30:50pm

re: #317 Obdicut

See what I mean? I'm not gonna chase down a littler fucker like that to make a loin-gird. Too damned exhausting.

320 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:32:13pm

Later Spartans.

321 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:32:51pm

re: #319 Slumbering Behemoth

See what I mean? I'm not gonna chase down a littler fucker like that to make a loin-gird. Too damned exhausting.

Just drop the cat down the other guys pants. It'll shred his balls and take the fight out of him.

322 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:34:33pm

re: #317 Obdicut

This is also Sparta:

[Video]

This is NOT Sparta.

323 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:39:40pm

re: #305 Gus 802

Yeah. I was wondering. Do you do that with surgical tape or strips of leather?

/

leather

324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:41:30pm

re: #323 Stanley Sea

I'll be coming to your next social mixer. ;)

325 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:42:35pm

re: #324 Slumbering Behemoth

I'll be coming to your next social mixer. ;)

It's going to be at IHOP and it will involve syrup.

326 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:43:35pm

re: #325 Mr Pancakes

It's going to be at IHOP and it will involve syrup.

IHOP and syrup? Is that after hours at a furry convention?

//

327 bratwurst  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:43:54pm

re: #325 Mr Pancakes

It's going to be at IHOP and it will involve syrup.

Hope that doesn't lead to any sticky situations!

328 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:43:54pm

re: #325 Mr Pancakes

It's going to be at IHOP and it will involve syrup.

Try the Original Pancake House instead. It really is better.

329 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:44:18pm

re: #326 Gus 802

IHOP and syrup? Is that after hours at a furry convention?

//

Only when WUB is here. :D

330 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:44:39pm

re: #326 Gus 802

IHOP and syrup? Is that after hours at a furry convention?

//

Yes.... WUB is going as a hamster.

331 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:44:55pm

re: #330 Mr Pancakes

Yes... WUB is going as a hamster.

BIRD

332 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:46:58pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Try the Original Pancake House instead. It really is better.

Dude! Don't. Poke. The. Bear.
/

333 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:47:18pm

re: #313 talon_262

IMO, what used to be considered "conservative" before the TPers and wingnuts tainted that term is what used to be called "classical liberalism"...that seems to be where I'm at and it sounds like you're there too.

I'd be there too, if there was any sort of place for what used to be called classical liberalism. There's not.

The Republicans are batshit crazy so for me, the Democrats are the party I vote with by default. I happen to agree with them more than I disagree, but I'm hardly an ideologue.

334 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:48:44pm

re: #333 Lidane

The Republicans are batshit crazy so for me...

That's a pretty bold statement. I haven't even seen a picture of you.
/:P

335 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:50:54pm

re: #332 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude! Don't. Poke. The. Bear.
/

I thought he meant the very first IHOP.

336 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:51:15pm

Yeesh. 4 cops shot in Detroit. 4 found shot to death in burning home in Indiana.

337 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:52:09pm

re: #336 Gus 802

Yeesh. 4 cops shot in Detroit. 4 found shot to death in burning home in Indiana.

That sucks...... sounds like fucking Mexico.

338 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:52:43pm

oh fuck.

(and im in the wrong thread, but tough)

339 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:53:19pm

re: #337 Mr Pancakes

That sucks... sounds like fucking Mexico.

Another Tombstone weekend. No condition on the cops.

340 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:53:41pm

The fullback/center scored. Big dude does it.

341 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:54:01pm

Uh oh! Looks like the cheese has pulled further ahead.

342 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:58:14pm

Boom! Da Bears come back with 7.

343 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 2:59:53pm

re: #289 talon_262

Not all "conservatives" are the bigoted, theocratic, anti-science whack-a-doodles that seem to personify the TP and today's GOP, but no one would know it because they get all of the media attention.

/if it bleeds, it leads

That is true, but I think very good argument can be made that the modern conservative movement does not exist or has very few electoral successes without those things. Resentment and ignorance at this point are features and not bugs in the conservative movement's operating system. These people get the most attention because they really are the most representative of the base of the GOP and their priorities. We all knew that it would only be a matter of time before the latest incarnation of the conservative movement proved itself to be more concerned with social issues than fiscal. If they had a choice between a flat tax or a ban on abortion and "sodomy" along with a repeal of the 14th Amendment, they would take the latter in a heartbeat.

344 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:00:32pm

re: #334 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I'm crazy, but I took HST's advice and have decided to get paid for it.

Also, my crazy is far less likely to hurt other people. ;)

345 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:01:57pm

Cupcakes....I' m drowning in a steady drip drip drip of cupcakes as the Baking Collective moves from pie to...cupcakes.

Whole grain, Swans Down, gluten free. I must be 10lbs heavier, but I have perfected the jumbo white cupcake that crowns perfectly and releases with hardly a crumb from it's paper.

On to the perfect raspberry buttercream and it's application.

Fear not, Valentine Sweethearts, you will have a jumbo cupcake topped with a perfectly colored and tasty topping to share with your lover while my true love fasts a continent away and I wallow in excess animal fat and cane sugar.

Ugh, death by a 100+ lovers.

346 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:03:24pm

re: #342 Gus 802

There was an article in the paper here in Dallas saying we should hope for a Chicago-NY Superbowl because they are city slickers who will spend lots of money.

347 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:03:58pm

Did the Bengals win?

348 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:04:30pm

re: #347 Jeff In Ohio

Did the Bengals win?

They never win.

349 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:04:31pm

re: #344 Lidane

I was going for the whole "crazy for you" angle with that comment. Sorry.

350 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:04:41pm

re: #346 moderatelyradicalliberal

They've clearly never seen the fanaticism of Cheeseheads or Steelers fans.

351 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:04:52pm

Crazy Pam Returns to Birtherism with shocking scientific expose of Pbama's NIrth Certifikit....
A New Twist in Obama Birth Certificate Mystery

Image: image10.jpg

Atlas broke the story of the forgery of Obama's COLB (certification of live birth), a story I covered beginning in May 2008. I never pretended to know what was on the vault copy that Obama spent millions to hide; I just ran the irrefutable analysis that what Obama presented to the American people was a "horrible forgery."
...
Pbama must present if he is to run for re-election, should he now?
...
I honestly and truly believe this solves the entire mystery.

It is seriously this straightforward.

* Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961

* Obama was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s

* Obama’s name was indeed changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s

* Obama’s birth certificate was altered per Hawaiian law to reflect his new name in the 1970s

* Obama never changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” — most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia

* All the records, transcripts, documents, and paperwork Obama continues to hide from the public is all hidden because it lists his name as “Barry Soetoro” on all of it.

* Obama will not allow his birth certificate to be released because it lists the “wrong” name on it: Barry Soetoro

It is as simple as this, folks.

352 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:05:10pm

re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah. Gotcha. :)

353 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:05:19pm

re: #350 Lidane

They've clearly never seen the fanaticism of Cheeseheads or Steelers fans.

I was going to say something about that. Packers fans seem to be everywhere sometimes.

354 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:06:02pm

re: #353 Gus 802

I was going to say something about that. Packers fans seem to be everywhere sometimes.

One right here. :)

355 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:06:03pm

re: #348 Mr Pancakes

They never win.

The Broncos were not available for comment.

/

356 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:06:04pm

re: #348 Mr Pancakes

They never win.

They'll win when the Browns return to Cleveland.

357 charlz  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:06:12pm

re: #345 Jeff In Ohio

Cupcakes...
On to the perfect raspberry buttercream and it's application.


oh my... please send half a dozen!

358 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:07:58pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

It is as simple as this, folks.

Occam's Razor: Ur doin it rong.

359 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:08:13pm

On this topic there's more:

Conservatives Push New Abortion Limits

Invigorated by their November victories, conservative legislators in several states are pushing for new laws to limit abortions, like banning abortions after 20 weeks, requiring women to see live ultrasounds of their fetus, and limiting insurance coverage. In Florida, Kansas, and Ohio, antiabortion politicians are calling for new laws to be drafted, or previously rejected ones to be re-introduced. “This is the best climate for passing pro-life laws in years,” said the leader of Ohio Right to Life, a group that opposes abortion. New Kansas Governor Sam Brownback ended his first State of the State address with a call for the legislature to "bring to my desk legislation that protects the unborn, establishing a culture of life in Kansas." Republican lawmakers in Washington also hope to tighten laws restricting the federal government from funding abortions even indirectly, though state laws have the most impact on access to abortion.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Elections have consequences. Especially, if you are female.

360 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:09:13pm

Reflexive vomit taste.

/

361 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:10:50pm

re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth

Occam's Razor: Ur doin it rong.

I wonder where she got the bogus "heat map" pictures.

362 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:11:05pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

OMG! Is Malcolm X not Barack Obama's real father? Do you know how much street cred he's gonna lose now?

///

363 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:12:02pm

re: #359 moderatelyradicalliberal

Fucking terrible. That law forcing women to view the ultrasound is just cruelty itself.

Misogynist bullshit.

364 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:12:20pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam Returns to Birtherism with shocking scientific expose of Pbama's NIrth Certifikit...
A New Twist in Obama Birth Certificate Mystery

Image: image10.jpg

Youtube Video
365 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:12:36pm

re: #347 Jeff In Ohio

Did the Bengals win?

Joe Hayden! He did it!

366 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:13:26pm

re: #350 Lidane

Personally, I was kinda hoping for the hilarity that the Chicago pimps would provide. Dallas is gonna be full of hookers come Superbowl time. Green velvet suits and hot pink gators can't be beat.

367 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:13:46pm

re: #363 Obdicut

Misogynist bullshit.

Par for the course for most of the hardcore "pro-life" leadership and their propaganda.

They hate women and want to control their bodies and their sexuality. It's that simple.

368 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:13:49pm

re: #269 Stanley Sea

So much of the coverage about the ME is superficial that it's more than understandable to think that because Israel is seen as cooperating with the PA in some fashion that there's grounds for peace. It ignores that Israel has been trying to bolster some factions with the PA and the Palestinians, but that has backfired on multiple occasions - precisely because any covert opportunity for cooperation backfires the moment it becomes public and a group like Hamas seizes on it as a sign that the faction cooperating has been coopted and is no longer ideologically pure in the jihad against Israel's existence.

It also highlights the reason that breakthroughs in the peace process come not from public statements and sentiments - or publicly held discussions, but through back channel negotiations where the parties are able to move ahead unencumbered and can be more likely to make concessions that the sides would be able to do publicly. The major problem with that strategy is that the Palestinians are far less able to carry out their side of whatever bargain because they've been refusing Israel's existence for so long that overcoming that societal hurdle is going to take far more effort than Abbas and the PA leadership are willing to make - precisely because such a paradigm shift would breed the likelihood of assassination. And Abbas and the others would rather continue the status quo than risk their lives in the pursuit of peace.

369 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:14:45pm

That just looks like someone took an image into photoshop and manipulated the HSV values.

370 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:14:59pm

And that's it. An interception by Sam Shield will give the Green Bay Packers a 21-14 win over the Chicago Bears. Sad, but I was prepared for this.

371 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:15:17pm

Looks like Green Bay.

Sorry, Chicago pimps. I'll have to laugh at your fabulous outfits in Snoop Dogg videos. :p

372 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:15:33pm

re: #366 moderatelyradicalliberal

Dallas already has plenty of hookers. They don't need Chicago pimps for that. ;)

373 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:15:39pm

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Is he Boomer's back up?

374 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:16:25pm

Yay!! Superbowl here we come!!

375 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:16:35pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

try again...

That just looks like someone took an image into photoshop and manipulated the HSV values.

376 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:16:43pm

re: #369 Jeff In Ohio

That just looks like someone took an image into photoshop and manipulated the HSV values.

Hell, you can do that in GIMP.
For free.
:)

377 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:17:00pm

re: #373 Jeff In Ohio

Is he Boomer's back up?

GATOR I follow on twitter. OMG, he's a Brown. Gator fuck up. typical, don'tca know.

378 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:17:36pm

re: #372 Lidane

Dallas already has plenty of hookers. They don't need Chicago pimps for that. ;)

Which is why mother wants me and my friends to be careful when we go out. She thinks all of my shoes look like hooker shoes ;)

379 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:17:44pm

re: #368 lawhawk

Thanks Lawhawk. More knowledge, more.

380 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:17:49pm

re: #357 charlz

oh my... please send half a dozen!

That will be phase 3 of world domination.

381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:18:04pm

re: #359 moderatelyradicalliberal

Depending on where you live, the democrats ain't much better on that issue.

382 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:19:55pm

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

383 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:21:20pm

Hey all!

Still having fun, Bears and all?

Just checkin-in --have a great evening!

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:21:50pm

re: #383 ggt

So far? I'm half right. Packers? Check.

Now... J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!

385 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:22:07pm

re: #382 Charles

"It is as simple as this, folks."

I think she meant to write "I am" rather than "It is". You know how she is with those constant typos.

386 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:23:53pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

My daughter's school wanted her to leave. I was determined she would not be pushed out. I quit dealing with them when their only "solutions" involved the question "When will she be transferring out?". I just stopped dealing with them, kept paying the tuition, and daughter just kept going to school. Oh and the nun who was supt. of Catholic schools at the time was also supportive of OUR take on it - if we want our kids to do what we teach as re: abortion, then we cannot punish them if they become pregnant.

The school was embarrassed about the pregnancy. Little or no embarrassment, apparently, at the fact that half their students were sexually active.

I wonder if they would have made assumptions about Mary (a.s.) and been embarrassed by her as well. Do they not ponder the lessons of their own book?

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:24:01pm

re: #363 Obdicut

Have you seen the new in-utero pictures. I swear, a friends daughter is expecting... it looks like a freaking high-def digital photo.

Now you don't have to use your imagination when they say, "There's the head". Because, you can actually make out facial features.

388 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:24:17pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

Because documents have unique heat signatures...or something. "I'm heating this one to 451° F and look...IT"S ON FIRE!!!!"

389 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:24:27pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

The never ending supply of wingnut Kool Aid. You notice the made-up word: enemedia? Methinks that's a combination of "enemy" plus "media". I'm guessing that Serr8d did all of those fake "heat map" images for her. Or something.

390 charlz  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:25:38pm

re: #368 lawhawk

In one of life's delicious ironies, al jazeera .net has posted an excellent article by Robert Grenier, the former Director of the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center, on the "Palestinian Papers" making a case that "The overwhelming conclusion one draws from this record is that the process for a two-state solution is essentially over."

All of us approach this record burdened with our own backgrounds and experiences. I assess them as an American, and as a former government practitioner. As an American, the reaction I draw, frankly, is one of shame. My government has consistently followed the path of least resistance and of short-term political expediency, at the cost of decency, justice, and our clear, long-term interests. More pointedly, The Palestine Papers reveal us to have alternatively demanded and encouraged the Palestinian participants to take disproportionate risks for a negotiated settlement, and then to have refused to extend ourselves to help them achieve it, leaving them exposed and vulnerable. The Palestine Papers, in my view, further document an American legacy of ignominy in Palestine.
391 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:25:57pm

re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, I know. A lot of Southern Democrats would be re: #381 Slumbering Behemoth

Depending on where you live, the democrats ain't much better on that issue.

Yeah, I know. Especially true down South.

"This is a bill that empowers women," Broome said in committee testimony, adding that at least 15 other states have a similar requirement.

Bullshit, lady.

392 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:26:34pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

Heat map analysis? Seriously? ROFL.

393 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:27:50pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

Heat map? So it makes the hot spot of all the hot air she emits as she shrieks?

LOL@Shrieky.

394 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:28:01pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Enemedia:
n
the act of cleansing your bowels with a constant diet of new media hysteria, conspiracies and paranoia.

Ex.
Ms. Geller felt light and fresh after her 2000 word enemedia.

395 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:28:36pm

re: #307 Dark_Falcon


sounds more libertarian than conservative

396 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:28:48pm

re: #375 Jeff In Ohio

try again...

That just looks like someone took an image into photoshop and manipulated the HSV values.

That's my guess too.

397 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:29:29pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

Science!

398 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:30:05pm

re: #105 Obdicut

I favor showing movies of labor and childbirth to teenagers. Graphic ones.

When my son was around 17 he happened to walk into the room when there was a program on showing a woman giving birth. He happened to glance at the TV at the exact same second that the baby's head crowned.

I can't even begin to describe the look on his face, but I laughed for about a week. Poor kid was wishing desperately to unsee that image. LOL

399 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:30:14pm

re: #278 abbyadams

Agree.

Safe, legal, and rare, with plenty of alternatives.

Just had an argument/discussion with my conservative mom. How we got into it isn't really important, but she can't seem to agree with me that some of the problem with conservative tenets is that they deny that we are animals. Yes, we have the intelligence and ability to rise above; but we must acknowledge the lizard part of the brain. Food, survival, and sex.

That's why abstinence only doesn't work. That's why greed is rampant. It's part of out nature to have sex and want all the marbles - our ancestors would never have made it without these things.

Of course, that would require an acceptance of science...

Jesus cured all of that dontcha know? You accept him as your Lord and Savior and all of that pesky animal stuff goes away or something.

////

400 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:30:18pm

re: #390 charlz

In one of life's delicious ironies, al jazeera .net has posted an excellent article by Robert Grenier, the former Director of the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center, on the "Palestinian Papers" making a case that "The overwhelming conclusion one draws from this record is that the process for a two-state solution is essentially over."

BS. We've extended ourselves time and again. But they say all this stuff in private, and have never made any sort of public concession. America is not the bad guy here, but for Al Jazeera it will always be "Blame America (or Israel) first."

401 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:32:17pm

re: #389 Gus 802

You notice the made-up word: enemedia? Methinks that's a combination of "enemy" plus "media".

These made up words are kind of clever, if you're attending grade school. From grown ups, not so much.

It's a big part of the reason I stopped following certain political pundits.

402 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:32:23pm

re: #397 Killgore Trout

Science!

Youtube Video
403 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:32:23pm

re: #398 CuriousLurker

And then he probably remembered he would never have to worry about the experience. Don't see how those videos would be all that affective on boys. Other than maybe making more of them pro-choice.

404 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:33:06pm

OMG, Leonard Cohen's on PBS-Arts.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:33:57pm

Edvard Munch's Ultrasound.

406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:34:50pm

re: #404 Jeff In Ohio

I know. I'm a heretic. I prefer covers of his music.

407 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:34:51pm

re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth

These made up words are kind of clever, if you're attending grade school. From grown ups, not so much.

It's a big part of the reason I stopped following certain political pundits.

You "enemedia" Twitter search...

[Link: twitter.com...]

408 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:35:30pm

re: #403 moderatelyradicalliberal

And then he probably remembered he would never have to worry about the experience. Don't see how those videos would be all that affective on boys. Other than maybe making more of them pro-choice.

Point to you. And I don't really want kids grossed out by childbirth. I just want them to understand that bringing a child into this world is a grave matter not be undertaken until you are ready. Ultimately, you want them to have kids, you just want them to wait for the right time.

409 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:35:36pm

"Your" not "you".

410 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:35:37pm

re: #121 Slumbering Behemoth

Twenty or so years ago, I used to be pretty much anti-abortion. But, I have guy parts, so a good many facts around the issue never occurred to me at the time.

Since then I have learned a lot more about the issue, about the many different circumstances and conditions around it. It is necessary that abortion remain legal and safe, even late term abortion.

If these knuckle-dragging shit-heels want to start a revolution over the issue, they will find themselves up against more than just the U.S. military.

I was just thinking: Hmm, if MEN were the ones who had to be pregnant and give birth, I wonder how long it would take these yahoos to start singing a different tune...

411 BishopX  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:35:59pm

re: #368 lawhawk

I'm sorry but that's precisely the opposite of what the papers reveal. If they are true (big if...24 hour rule...Yadda Yadda) then Abbas put right of return on the table and the Israeli's blinked. My guess is this is a Fatah leak. They are trying to build support for a unilateral statehood declaration by proving that the Israelis and the US have not been negotiating in good faith.

412 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:36:24pm

re: #410 CuriousLurker

I was just thinking: Hmm, if MEN were the ones who had to be pregnant and give birth, I wonder how long it would take these yahoos to start singing a different tune...

Half a second.

413 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:36:35pm

re: #410 CuriousLurker

I was just thinking: Hmm, if MEN were the ones who had to be pregnant and give birth, I wonder how long it would take these yahoos to start singing a different tune...

Pfft. If men could get pregnant, birth control pills and Plan B would be immediately accessible, like beer nuts and pretzels in a bar. =P

414 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:37:01pm

re: #406 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, a lot of his records are hard to get through if you just don't wallow in the poetry, yet the live shows he's been doing on his last tour are pretty astounding, that's what this is.

But I know what you mean.

415 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:37:32pm

re: #407 Gus 802

I don't have an account there, but thanks anyway.

416 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:37:39pm

re: #412 Jadespring

Half a second.

If even that.

re: #413 Lidane

Pfft. If men could get pregnant, birth control pills and Plan B would be immediately accessible, like beer nuts and pretzels in a bar. =P

LOL, true that.

417 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:38:14pm

re: #415 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't have an account there, but thanks anyway.

OK But the search should work regardless. It's all nutty.

418 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:38:58pm

re: #386 CuriousLurker

I wonder if they would have made assumptions about Mary (a.s.) and been embarrassed by her as well. Do they not ponder the lessons of their own book?

heh.
The nun who was school supt did, that's for sure.
I suspect one reason the school stopped bothering me about "when is she going to transfer out?" was because the good sister intervened, at the request of the Catholic Charities counselor.

419 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:38:59pm

re: #412 Jadespring

Half a second.

C'mon now. Us men aren't that slow to act.
/:P

420 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:39:33pm

Time to watch the footballs.

421 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:40:20pm

re: #418 reine.de.tout

heh.
The nun who was school supt did, that's for sure.
I suspect one reason the school stopped bothering me about "when is she going to transfer out?" was because the good sister intervened, at the request of the Catholic Charities counselor.

Kudos to her! And to you for supporting your daughter no matter what.

422 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:40:23pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

The question is: WTF are those "heat maps" supposed to represent to people who AREN'T fucking paranoid and conspiratorial?

423 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:40:55pm

Hahahaha! Check out this website's "Enemedia list".

Wingnuts. How do they fucking work?

424 Big Joe  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:43:34pm

re: #422 talon_262

The question is: WTF are those "heat maps" supposed to represent to people who AREN'T fucking paranoid and conspiratorial?

I think this is what she is referring to.

[Link: lifehacker.com...]

425 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:43:37pm

re: #413 Lidane

Pfft. If men could get pregnant, birth control pills and Plan B would be immediately accessible, like beer nuts and pretzels in a bar. =P

oh come one, they'd be much more accessible than that - they would drop through the door with the supermarket offers........

426 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:43:48pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Oh brother. Their "Friendly Forces" list is telling as well.

427 jaunte  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:44:24pm

I had to go look for some explanations of 'heat-mapping.' According to this author, it's not really a very accurate tool:

Image Error Level Analysis is a tool that creates a heat map-like image out of a JPEG that shows you the highest points of compression. Excessively Photoshopped images may contain JPEG parts that have been saved over and over again. This little tool will, in theory, detect those parts and highlight them for you. Personally, I haven't had much luck and it seemed to think my Zuckerberg makeover was generally less altered (as best as I can interpret the results) but your mileage may vary. [Link: lifehacker.com...]
428 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:45:16pm

re: #422 talon_262

The question is: WTF are those "heat maps" supposed to represent to people who AREN'T fucking paranoid and conspiratorial?


I was wondering the same thing.

429 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:46:06pm

re: #425 wozzablog

oh come one, they'd be much more accessible than that - they would drop through the door with the supermarket offers...

They'd also be covered by insurance. =P

430 makeitstop  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:46:29pm

What in God's green earth does heat map analysis have to do with teh nirth certifikit?

I don't mind saying I'm confused.

431 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:47:13pm

re: #428 reine.de.tout

I was wondering the same thing.

I'm afraid to even go look lest I lose some brain cells.

432 jaunte  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:48:19pm

re: #430 makeitstop

It's supposed to prove that the areas that stand out in the 'heat-map' image have been retouched, so in a magical, sciencey way the president that Pam doesn't like will not be the president anymore.

433 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:48:47pm

re: #431 CuriousLurker

I'm afraid to even go look lest I lose some brain cells.

You use the word "lest", you can afford to lose a couple ;-)

434 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:49:02pm

re: #430 makeitstop

You're not confused. You're just rational, which makes understanding the Harpy's gibberish that much harder.

435 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:49:05pm

re: #432 jaunte

I wish I had more updings for that.

436 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:49:14pm

re: #429 Lidane

They'd also be covered by insurance. =P

No question.

437 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:49:54pm

re: #430 makeitstop

What in God's green earth does heat map analysis have to do with teh nirth certifikit?

I don't mind saying I'm confused.

"In summary my position is and has always been that the Constitution requires proof of natural birth and to date that proof has not been provided by President Obama to meet that requirement. Nothing more and nothing less."

438 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:50:05pm
sre: #430 makeitstop

What in God's green earth does heat map analysis have to do with teh nirth certifikit?

I don't mind saying I'm confused.

It was something done as part of the proof that the certificate image that was released was a forgery.

439 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:50:17pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

Heat map analysis? How in God's name does that have anything to do with Birthers?

440 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:50:59pm

re: #437 Slumbering Behemoth

"In summary my position is and has always been that the Constitution requires proof of natural birth and to date that proof has not been provided by President Obama to meet that requirement. Nothing more and nothing less."

"Natural birth" - so, if his mom had a c-section he'd be impeached?.........

441 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:51:04pm

Heat Maps = Super Thermite

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:51:14pm

re: #389 Gus 802

The never ending supply of wingnut Kool Aid. You notice the made-up word: enemedia? Methinks that's a combination of "enemy" plus "media". I'm guessing that Serr8d did all of those fake "heat map" images for her. Or something.

It could also be 'enema' plus 'media'.

443 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:51:59pm

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

It could also be 'enema' plus 'media'.

Yeah but that would be humorous. Those nuts are using "enemy".

444 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:52:09pm

re: #440 wozzablog

"Natural birth" - so, if his mom had a c-section he'd be impeached?...

... and he'd have to leave the country as a non-citizen.
/

445 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:52:19pm

President Obama has not provided proof that he's not a space alien so I'm just asking questions.

446 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:52:21pm

re: #427 jaunte

Excessively Photoshopped images may contain JPEG parts that have been saved over and over again.

Really, what does that even mean? Most likely he's trying to say use over again and again (like, you know, cloned, smeared, blurred, etc.) Follow the link to the image forensics site and it appears the mouse over image is just displaying areas of heightened unsharp masking (edges where contrast shifts more dramatically) and not actual editing.

447 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:52:40pm

re: #441 BigPapa

Heat Maps = Super Thermite

Heat maps melt Obama's nirth certificate!!11ty

//Hiccup

//

448 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:52:51pm

re: #442 SanFranciscoZionist

It could also be 'enema' plus 'media'.

They're not talking about the Fox News Channel, so no.

449 RabbitRunner  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:53:14pm

Isn't he the jamoke who said he was going to shoot the census workers if they came to the door of his shack on his upland farmstead?

450 jaunte  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:53:22pm

Git yer mugs, mouse pads, t-shirts: [Link: www.cafepress.com...]

451 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:54:35pm

re: #450 jaunte

Hmm... that was almost too easy. I suspect a conspiracy.

452 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:54:39pm

New movie coming.

Obama's Birth Certificate

By Oliver Stone.

//

453 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:54:48pm

Somebody mail a mug to Pamz and tell her to heat map it with a hot espresso inside.

454 jaunte  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:55:02pm

re: #451 Slumbering Behemoth

Long-sleeve form:
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

455 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:55:11pm

re: #450 jaunte

Git yer mugs, mouse pads, t-shirts: [Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Pam should sell the "heat map" version.

456 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:55:20pm

re: #452 Gus 802

Don't give him any ideas.

457 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:56:47pm

re: #454 jaunte

Long-sleeve form:
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Ah, Cafepress...I miss working there sometimes. That was a fun company to work for.

458 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:57:21pm

re: #454 jaunte

Long-sleeve form:
[Link: www.cafepress.com...]

Well shoot, that right there proves its a fake. When I got my real, state issued Birth Certificate back in '71, it came on a tank top, not a long sleeved shirt. He's obviously hiding something.

459 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:57:33pm

re: #452 Gus 802
That sounds like a good idea. /

460 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:57:35pm

re: #440 wozzablog

"Natural birth" - so, if his mom had a c-section he'd be impeached?...

"Hear, ye, Jimmy, MacDuff was from his mither's womb untimely ripped, what d'you think aboot that?"

"Och! That's bloody disgustin'!"

(Reduced Shakespeare Company, folks.)

461 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:58:17pm

re: #445 BigPapa

President Obama has not provided proof that he's not a space alien so I'm just asking questions.

"There's nothing in the Constitution that says a Cylon can't be president."

462 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:58:24pm

re: #458 Slumbering Behemoth

Well shoot, that right there proves its a fake. When I got my real, state issued Birth Certificate back in '71, it came on a tank top, not a long sleeved shirt. He's obviously hiding something.

This is where I want to find it.

463 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:58:39pm

re: #445 BigPapa

He already admitted to being sent here by his father Jor-el. :p

Youtube Video
464 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 3:58:54pm

re: #452 Gus 802

New movie coming.

Obama's Birth Certificate

By Oliver Stone.

//

Oh, that'll be exciting.

/

465 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:00:07pm

re: #433 wozzablog

You use the word "lest", you can afford to lose a couple ;-)

I don't know... this morning one of our fans (on Twitter) told me something to the effect that I'm so stupid I could get paid for it.

Of course, I immediately burst into tears. I don't know if my self-esteem will ever recover after being slain by such razor sharp wit & insightful intellect.//

466 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:00:22pm

re: #462 darthstar

This is where I want to find it.

Not on me, you won't!

/not without discussing a financial exchange first, anyway

467 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:02:21pm

Meanwhile, down at the ranch...

Cantor Asked To Criticize Birthers, Declines

He starts by blaming the media. Watch the video.

468 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:02:58pm

re: #458 Slumbering Behemoth

Well shoot, that right there proves its a fake. When I got my real, state issued Birth Certificate back in '71, it came on a tank top, not a long sleeved shirt. He's obviously hiding something.

Ah, the tank top. Sacred garment to those who value their right to bare arms.

469 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:03:03pm

re: #465 CuriousLurker

I don't know... this morning one of our fans (on Twitter) told me something to the effect that I'm so stupid I could get paid for it.

So wait, they were suggesting you get an anchor job on Fox & Friends?

Dear, you're gonna hafta be a lot stupider than you are now to land a job like that. Just sayin'.
/

470 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:03:17pm

re: #467 Gus 802

Meanwhile, down at the ranch...

Cantor Asked To Criticize Birthers, Declines

He starts by blaming the media. Watch the video.

And of course you know why he did this. The reality is that birthers are now part of the GOP base.

471 Lidane  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:03:40pm

re: #467 Gus 802

Meanwhile, down at the ranch...

Cantor Asked To Criticize Birthers, Declines

He can't criticize the birthers. They run the party these days. He'd be out of a job.

472 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:03:51pm

re: #468 wozzablog

Oh, you're good. :)

473 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:04:35pm

re: #460 SanFranciscoZionist

"Hear, ye, Jimmy, MacDuff was from his mither's womb untimely ripped, what d'you think aboot that?"

"Och! That's bloody disgustin'!"

(Reduced Shakespeare Company, folks.)

I was thinking about going that way with it :p

have seen the Reduced company several times. Always left me in tears of laughter.

474 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:04:41pm

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

So wait, they were suggesting you get an anchor job on Fox & Friends?

Dear, you're gonna hafta be a lot stupider than you are now to land a job like that. Just sayin'.
/

For some reason, this reminds me of a Playboy cartoon from some years ago. A lovely slender young woman is standing naked in an artist's studio. A guy dressed like Rembrandt is telling her, "You've got some potential. Go home for three or four months, and eat a lot."

475 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:05:02pm

re: #94 reine.de.tout

*smooch*

476 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:05:04pm

This birther thing is one of the things that makes me hate the internet. Double edge sword and all that. I know there has been crazy like, wingnutty people like this out there for a very long time. You just never heard much about their 'theories' and they never got very far. I don't think the current level of crazy wingnut outrage out there right now would be as intense, as widespread or as utterly stupid, without the boost the internet gives it.

477 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:05:18pm

re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, you're good. :)

I only work with what i'm given :p

478 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:05:42pm

re: #467 Gus 802

Meanwhile, down at the ranch...

Cantor Asked To Criticize Birthers, Declines

He starts by blaming the media. Watch the video.

Cantor always looks like he just bit into a turd.
Image: 110106_eric_cantor_repeal_ap_605.jpg

479 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:06:21pm

re: #478 darthstar

Cantor always looks like he just bit into a turd.
Image: 110106_eric_cantor_repeal_ap_605.jpg

He does have nice lips.

//

480 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:06:24pm

re: #465 CuriousLurker

I don't know... this morning one of our fans (on Twitter) told me something to the effect that I'm so stupid I could get paid for it.

Of course, I immediately burst into tears. I don't know if my self-esteem will ever recover after being slain by such razor sharp wit & insightful intellect.//

gach.

well, i think your brain is purdy.

481 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:07:50pm

re: #467 Gus 802

Oh brother, Cantor is tap dancing like a mofo in that clip. It's not "name calling" to point out fatally flawed logic.

482 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:07:54pm

re: #465 CuriousLurker

I don't know... this morning one of our fans (on Twitter) told me something to the effect that I'm so stupid I could get paid for it.

Of course, I immediately burst into tears. I don't know if my self-esteem will ever recover after being slain by such razor sharp wit & insightful intellect.//

Then you shrugged and blocked his troll ass, right?

483 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:08:11pm

re: #101 reine.de.tout

*snort*
Somebody needs to tell her that one day.
LOL.

She already knows it, she just doesn't want to let you know, that she knows!
LOL!

484 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:08:18pm

Hmmm, watching the spy. Have some ideas...

• Subject Obama's birth certificate to an ultrasound
• Subject Obama's birth certificate to an MRI

485 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:08:49pm

re: #481 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh brother, Cantor is tap dancing like a mofo in that clip. It's not "name calling" to point out fatally flawed logic.

It is - if you don't live in the Reality Based Universe.

486 jaunte  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:08:56pm

re: #484 Gus 802

Give it an auditing with an E-meter.

487 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:09:19pm

re: #481 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh brother, Cantor is tap dancing like a mofo in that clip. It's not "name calling" to point out fatally flawed logic.

Yeah. I would call it guidance or, ahem, leadership.

488 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:09:30pm

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

Then you shrugged and blocked his troll ass, right?

Well, after I finished sobbing and managed to collect my dim wits, yeah.//

LOL

489 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:09:32pm

re: #486 jaunte

Give it an auditing with an E-meter.

L. Ron Geller

/

490 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:09:35pm

re: #478 darthstar

Cantor always looks like he just bit into a turd.
Image: 110106_eric_cantor_repeal_ap_605.jpg

LOL!

491 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:10:27pm

re: #488 CuriousLurker
Dim wits???? I do not think so.

492 jaunte  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:10:54pm

re: #489 Gus 802

"The president is an alien, and this heat map proofs it!"

493 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:11:51pm

re: #467 Gus 802

Meanwhile, down at the ranch...

Cantor Asked To Criticize Birthers, Declines

He starts by blaming the media. Watch the video.

Why does the media insists on noticing when people say crazy things, reporting it accurately and then acting like it means something?

Oh and Cantor looks like he pats hookers lots of money to tie him up and beat him with riding crops.

494 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:11:55pm

re: #476 Jadespring

This birther thing is one of the things that makes me hate the internet. Double edge sword and all that. I know there has been crazy like, wingnutty people like this out there for a very long time. You just never heard much about their 'theories' and they never got very far. I don't think the current level of crazy wingnut outrage out there right now would be as intense, as widespread or as utterly stupid, without the boost the internet gives it.

I can confirm that. There was a whole lot of utterly stupid wingnut conspiracy theories and outrageous outrage back when Clinton was POTUS, you just had to know where to find it. All lot of trading DVDs and VHS tapes back then.

495 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:12:16pm

re: #489 Gus 802

L. Ron Geller

/

So she's going to write an overlong book that a fan turns into a poor-grade movie too?

496 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:12:41pm

re: #492 jaunte

"The president is an alien, and this heat map proofs it!"

He was brought to this planet on space ships that looked like DC-8s without fans!

Image: 759px-DC-8_72_overflight.jpg

497 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:12:41pm

Has anyone heard a peep out of little barret brown in the last few days?

498 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:13:27pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, the real question is, does Paul Ryan have any strong feelings about volcanoes?

And leaping into one, to save the world!

499 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:13:52pm

re: #486 jaunte

Give it an auditing with an E-meter.

We'll have to see if it floats or sinks in water first.

500 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:14:12pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

So she's going to write an overlong book that a fan turns into a poor-grade movie too?

Yep. She can also start her own navy so she can lob shells at the enemedia from litoral waters!

501 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:14:26pm

re: #467 Gus 802

Meanwhile, down at the ranch...

Cantor Asked To Criticize Birthers, Declines

He starts by blaming the media. Watch the video.

Nice catch Gus. He had a 'teachable moment' and passed. Downding Cantor.

502 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:14:41pm

re: #493 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh and Cantor looks like he pats hookers lots of money to tie him up and beat him with riding crops.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

503 What, me worry?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:15:15pm

re: #493 moderatelyradicalliberal

Why does the media insists on noticing when people say crazy things, reporting it accurately and then acting like it means something?

Oh and Cantor looks like he pats hookers lots of money to tie him up and beat him with riding crops.

Not that there's anything wrong with that! lol

I saw that clip this morning. The need the votes. They aren't going to diss the TP movement.

504 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:16:22pm

re: #497 Reginald Perrin

Not I, but I haven't been looking either.

505 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:17:18pm

re: #503 marjoriemoon

Not that there's anything wrong with that! lol

I saw that clip this morning. The need the votes. They aren't going to diss the TP movement.

The TPers are the hookers tying the GOP up and beating them with riding crops.

506 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:17:29pm

re: #501 BigPapa

Nice catch Gus. He had a 'teachable moment' and passed. Downding Cantor.

you cannot teach those who do not want to be taught by you. Cantor doesn't want to start any inter-party fights right now. Save those fights for later, after he's had some time to establish more control.

507 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:18:37pm

re: #502 Slumbering Behemoth

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is a bad thing. A very, very bad thing. :P

508 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:18:43pm

CPAC Infiltrated by Pam Geller
Posted on: January 23, 2011 10:07 AM, by Ed Brayton

It turns out that CPAC is going to host an event condemning the "ground zero mosque" with lunatic Pamela Geller and her bigoted friends. Wait, I thought CPAC had been infiltrated by Muslim radicals who hate America?

509 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:19:18pm

re: #505 moderatelyradicalliberal

Just great! You had to create that mental image, didn't you?!?! There goes my date night!
/

510 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:20:07pm

re: #504 Slumbering Behemoth

Not I, but I haven't been looking either.

Neither have I, that is why I asked. A few days ago he was all in with the stalker's imaginary blog war. I wonder what changed his mind and prompted him to bail out?

511 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:20:52pm

re: #497 Reginald Perrin

Has anyone heard a peep out of little barret brown in the last few days?

Interesting fellow that one...

512 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:20:53pm

re: #497 Reginald Perrin

Has anyone heard a peep out of little barret brown in the last few days?

He's on the most recent "Diary of Dorkus" thread dissing Charles. He's claiming he got Charles a spot at True/Slant and claiming they were collaborating for over a year. I don't believe him but such claims are not mine to answer. What I will say is that Barrett Brown is an asshole who has no credibility in my eyes.

513 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:20:54pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Hahahaha! Check out this website's "Enemedia list".

Wingnuts. How do they fucking work?

LOTS of WD-40.

514 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:21:57pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

lol

515 shiplord kirel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:05pm

re: #382 Charles

The Geller-thing is full-on Birther today. She has heat map analysis. I actually LOLed.

If Geller applies this technology to the one true LGF-revealed birth certificate, what will she find?

A. The encryption key for the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
B. The full text of The Official GOP guide to Hiking the Appalachian Trail.
C. Ron Paul
D. All of the above

516 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:17pm

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

you cannot teach those who do not want to be taught by you. Cantor doesn't want to start any inter-party fights right now. Save those fights for later, after he's had some time to establish more control.

So we're talking what, 10-15 years from now? I was always thought nipping shit in the bud was how you gained control. Your first sentence kinda underscores what the last sentence won't happen.

517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:18pm

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yay! Somebody looked!

518 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:21pm

re: #503 marjoriemoon

They need the votes. They aren't going to diss the TP movement.

And that fact needs to be rubbed into their faces every time they interview: Are you afraid of the Tea Party? Then why can't you respond to them like adults and tell them when they're talking out their asses?

519 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:27pm

re: #513 Floral Giraffe
WD-40. ROFL

520 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:46pm

re: #501 BigPapa

Nice catch Gus. He had a 'teachable moment' and passed. Downding Cantor.

Boenher apparently doesn't question the presidents citizenship..........

MSNBC Video
521 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:22:50pm

re: #508 Gus 802

Oh gawd, can they get any more FAIL? Buckley would be crying if he were still alive.

522 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:23:10pm

re: #509 Slumbering Behemoth

Just great! You had to create that mental image, didn't you?!?! There goes my date night!
/

Bwahahaha!

523 darthstar  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:23:14pm

re: #517 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yay! Somebody looked!

Cool pic...missed it earlier.

524 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:23:30pm

re: #515 shiplord kirel

B. The full text of The Official GOP guide to Hiking the Appalachian Trail.

What does that say? "Bring a chainsaw."?
/

525 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:24:48pm

re: #515 shiplord kirel

If Geller applies this technology to the one true LGF-revealed birth certificate, what will she find?

A. The encryption key for the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
B. The full text of The Official GOP guide to Hiking the Appalachian Trail.
C. Ron Paul
D. All of the above

Was that written by Governor Mark Sanford?

//Don't cry for me Argentina!

526 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:24:51pm

re: #510 Reginald Perrin

I wonder what changed his mind and prompted him to bail out?

Probably the realization that they could do to him what he tried to do some at TLoOG. Namely, outing his private info.

527 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:25:40pm

Will someone make a Steelers/Jets page? I can't. tks!~

528 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:25:43pm

ok. it's been fun folks, i have to go hike that ol' Appalachian trail.......

(or watch the steelers game...... probably the later)

529 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:25:52pm

re: #508 Gus 802

CPAC Infiltrated by Pam Geller
Posted on: January 23, 2011 10:07 AM, by Ed Brayton

Ugh. Not this shit again.

530 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:26:22pm

re: #529 moderatelyradicalliberal

Ugh. Not this shit again.

Yep. It'll come back full bore. I expected this.

531 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:27:06pm

re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, we can get the boxed set. And for a limited time only, you can get a free toaster with your COLB.

532 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:27:13pm

re: #512 Dark_Falcon

I am going to let you on in a secret, I can't read the stalkers posts in real time and perform an advanced search on google cache if I have to read a specific comment.

Don't tell twajie about this comment, it would break hiscold heart to learn I am not reading the lame shit they are tossing at CJ and I.

533 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:27:28pm

re: #516 moderatelyradicalliberal

So we're talking what, 10-15 years from now? I was always thought nipping shit in the bud was how you gained control. Your first sentence kinda underscores what the last sentence won't happen.

"In the bud" would have been 18 months ago. The Nirthers crept in while the party was in disarray and by the time the leadership sorted themselves out, the Nirthers had grow too strong to be removed with one big push. Now I think the play is to keep them out of sight and not engage them, and hope they calm down.

534 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:28:00pm

re: #497 Reginald Perrin

He's over at the stalker blog, IIRC.
Hope you are well.

535 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:28:44pm

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

"In the bud" would have been 18 months ago. The Nirthers crept in while the party was in disarray and by the time the leadership sorted themselves out, the Nirthers had grow too strong to be removed with one big push. Now I think the play is to keep them out of sight and not engage them, and hope they calm down.

That policy worked well when applied to the religious right ;-)


(ok, really gone now, laters cats)

536 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:29:00pm

re: #532 Reginald Perrin

I am going to let you on in a secret, I can't read the stalkers posts in real time and perform an advanced search on google cache if I have to read a specific comment.

Don't tell twajie about this comment, it would break hiscold heart to learn I am not reading the lame shit they are tossing at CJ and I.

Understood. I just wanted to let you know what he's up to.

537 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:30:38pm

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

"In the bud" would have been 18 months ago. The Nirthers crept in while the party was in disarray and by the time the leadership sorted themselves out, the Nirthers had grow too strong to be removed with one big push. Now I think the play is to keep them out of sight and not engage them, and hope they calm down.

That is true about the timing part. I'm not sure anybody thought it would go this far for so long. When something is that crazy, you naturally assume it will go away. I still don't think the current mainstream leadership of the GOP has a chance in Hell of calming them down though.

538 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:31:13pm

Time to make a fresh pot of coffee, answer some emails, and write some code.
BBL

539 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:31:37pm

Oh shit ---->

540 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:32:20pm

re: #534 Floral Giraffe

He's over at the stalker blog, IIRC.
Hope you are well.

It should be interesting to check back in a few days to see when he finally opened his eyes and bails out after realizing he is standing waist deep in the stalker troll's fetid turds.

541 Gus  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:33:49pm

re: #527 Stanley Sea

Will someone make a Steelers/Jets page? I can't. tks!~

Done.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

542 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:34:40pm

Girls Best Friends all done up for the camera. From my light room studio. Enjoy ladies!

543 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:38:22pm

re: #465 CuriousLurker

I don't know... this morning one of our fans (on Twitter) told me something to the effect that I'm so stupid I could get paid for it.

Of course, I immediately burst into tears. I don't know if my self-esteem will ever recover after being slain by such razor sharp wit & insightful intellect.//

Our fans have been very busy little bees.

544 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:40:44pm

re: #540 Reginald Perrin

Why do you think he's going to bail out?
He fits right in.

545 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:41:50pm

re: #543 reine.de.tout

The haters are so full of hate. It has rotted into their souls.
Ignore them, for that is all they are worth.

546 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:43:01pm

re: #105 Obdicut

I favor showing movies of labor and childbirth to teenagers. Graphic ones.

I had that happen when I was in high school.

Most of the parents acted like the health teacher had shown a movie of a woman performing fellatio on a baboon.

Not surprising. I refer to where I grew up as 'The whitest place on Earth.' WASP to the very core.

547 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:44:22pm

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

He's not going to fight that fight, ever. The GOP is not simply biding their time until they can whack down the crazies. They've embraced them. This is reality.

548 Jadespring  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:49:01pm

re: #546 Romantic Heretic

I had that happen when I was in high school.

Most of the parents acted like the health teacher had shown a movie of a woman performing fellatio on a baboon.

Not surprising. I refer to where I grew up as 'The whitest place on Earth.' WASP to the very core.

Hee. I still remember watching a video like that with both my parents in attendance. Grade 4 I think, which was when 'sex ed' started. The first session was always a parent and kid event. I was utterly fascinated by the whole thing and thought it was so amazing. Dad, dad isn't that so cool?! Is that what I looked like? Wow" My poor Dad, just smiled, nodded and shifted uncomfortably in his seat.

They were both really good though and went with the flow. I talked to them years later about it and they were quite grateful that the initial "Talk" was done by somebody else as they weren't looking forward to it.

549 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:53:40pm

re: #544 Floral Giraffe

wow,
I am giving up
ciao

550 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:59:19pm

re: #526 Slumbering Behemoth

Probably the realization that they could do to him what he tried to do some at TLoOG. Namely, outing his private info.

He is blogging under his real name.

551 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 4:59:30pm

re: #547 Obdicut

He's not going to fight that fight, ever. The GOP is not simply biding their time until they can whack down the crazies. They've embraced them. This is reality.

I'm optimistic. Being a Cubs fan, I have to be.

552 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:00:58pm

re: #551 Dark_Falcon

There's a difference between being optimistic and choosing to ignore reality.

The leftists who believed Stalin really was creating worker's paradise weren't just optimistic, they were fooling themselves because they really wanted it to be true. They ignored dangerous signs, and did much harm by doing so.

I've been told over and over by some 'reasonable' conservatives that the GOP will somehow shake off the social conservatives at some point. Year after year, the social conservatives grow in importance and power in the GOP.

It is not going to happen.

553 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:01:55pm

re: #550 Reginald Perrin

He is blogging under his real name.

I was more or less referring to outing things a moderator would know, like an IP address. You can learn some interesting things from a person's IP address.

554 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:02:28pm

re: #515 shiplord kirel

If Geller applies this technology to the one true LGF-revealed birth certificate, what will she find?

A. The encryption key for the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
B. The full text of The Official GOP guide to Hiking the Appalachian Trail.
C. Ron Paul
D. All of the above

Her head would asplode like in Scanners ;-P

555 Michael McBacon  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:08:01pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam Returns to Birtherism with shocking scientific expose of Pbama's NIrth Certifikit...
A New Twist in Obama Birth Certificate Mystery

Image: image10.jpg

Itz teh librul enemedia!!11

556 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:08:08pm

re: #551 Dark_Falcon

I'm optimistic. Being a Cubs fan, I have to be.

Along with having the patience of Job...

557 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:17:37pm

re: #549 Reginald Perrin

You say to-may-to and I say to-mah-to.
Similar interests, yet such different perspectives.

558 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:21:58pm

re: #557 Floral Giraffe

no similar interests at all. not a single one that I am aware

559 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 5:55:18pm

re: #558 Reginald Perrin

Wow. I am sorry that you don't accept friends, even "imaginary" ones.

560 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 6:10:03pm

re: #558 Reginald Perrin

It is Reggies time to do the overdue Reginald Perrin.
That has been in the script since day one and there here is nothing left for me to accomplish here

CJ has the Odomites by the short hairs. There is no reason for reggie to stick around and complicate this any more than it already is.

Believe it or not, some individauls are not impressed by wealth, mineral rights or material goods.
Ciao, it been a trip

561 RabbitRunner  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:08:58pm

I thought the teabaggers were not theo-cons or soc-cons, they just want to cut government and taxed?

Yeah right, teabagging is a theoc-on doing politics, the Bible = Constitution & Founding Fathers = Disciples and Patriarchs

562 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:10:44pm

This stuff is depressing, but to be quite honest, I've never met a person who was pro-life (and I count myself as one) and was open to violence to support his/her position. It just doesn't make any sense.

What's chilling is that here we have these people, not afraid to just say that they're so close to be willing to start a violent revolt against their own country. Crazy and scary!

563 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:12:48pm

re: #561 RabbitRunner

You know, is there really a good definition of the "tea party"? They seem to me a set of far right conservatives that don't want to call themselves Republicans (for whatever reason). But it's really hard to find a semi consistent ideology or philosophy.

I mean, they're supposed to be sort of libertarians ... and I thought libertarians were completely against legislation on social issues.

564 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:19:51pm

re: #559 Floral Giraffe

Wow. I am sorry that you don't accept friends, even "imaginary" ones.

Don't be a hater, just try, OK?

565 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:54:26pm

re: #518 darthstar

And that fact needs to be rubbed into their faces every time they interview: Are you afraid of the Tea Party? Then why can't you respond to them like adults and tell them when they're talking out their asses?

Because they're like that little kid in The Twilight Zone. If you don't go along with them, you're in BIG trouble.

566 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:05:14pm

re: #564 Floral Giraffe

Just not into anything imaginary...am stuck here in reality.
Please don't make my leaving, a scene.

567 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:06:37pm

re: #566 Reginald Perrin

Just not into anything imaginary...am stuck here in reality.
Please don't make my leaving, a scene.

Dude.... did you just flounce or am I missing something?

568 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:18:51pm

re: #566 Reginald Perrin

569 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:24:17pm

re: #567 Mr Pancakes

Dude... did you just flounce or am I missing something?


No, why would I flounce?
Leaving was always in the script, do some research on the name and you will understand.
You have missed a lot...lol

570 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:26:01pm

re: #569 Reginald Perrin

No, why would I flounce?
Leaving was always in the script, do some research on the name and you will understand.
You have missed a lot...lol

I guess so....... sorry man.

571 RabbitRunner  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:28:08pm

re: #563 ElCapitanAmerica

They are just all the dunderheads whose education, beyond basic literacy, consists of talk radio and FOX. I mean isn't Mr. Theocon himself Beck, also is the original and archetypal 9/12 teabagger too?

572 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:31:31pm

re: #570 Mr Pancakes

I guess so... sorry man.

Why be sorry?

It may take weeks, even months, but the shit is eventually going to hit the proverbial fan.

Better days are ahead.

573 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:33:41pm

re: #572 Reginald Perrin

Smooch, anyway.

574 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:37:00pm

re: #573 Floral Giraffe

Smooch, anyway.

*smooch*

575 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:44:25pm

re: #572 Reginald Perrin

Why be sorry?

It may take weeks, even months, but the shit is eventually going to hit the proverbial fan.

Better days are ahead.

Ok..... I'm just not "tuned in" to the whole troll stalker thing...... it's over my head.

576 reginald perrin  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:51:22pm

re: #575 Mr Pancakes

Ok... I'm just not "tuned in" to the whole troll stalker thing... it's over my head.

It isn't about the stalkers, this is about something that is actually important.

577 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:54:45pm

re: #566 Reginald Perrin

Just not into anything imaginary...am stuck here in reality.
Please don't make my leaving, a scene.

You made it a scene, I did not.
Whatever, bye, Reggie.
Don't forget Beth.

578 ozbloke  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 8:58:37pm

Is he gone yet?

579 funky chicken  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 9:04:59pm

re: #2 tnguitarist

What's the "once before"?

I assume somebody else already answered, but I'll do it again anyway.

Discussing Obama’s views on abortion during a two-hour sit-down with CNS News on Thursday, Santorum said the president’s pro-choice position meant he was valuing some lives over others.

“The question is, and this is what Barack Obama didn’t want to answer — is that human life a person under the Constitution?” he said. “And Barack Obama says no. Well, if that human life is not a person, then I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say ‘now we are going to decide who are people and who are not people.’”

He's referring to the civil war, which is certainly inciting violence from the anti-abortion fanatics of the right wing. I guess Santorum is RedState's man.

580 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 9:17:42pm

re: #568 Floral Giraffe

Smooch, and sleep tight, Sir.

581 Querent  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 9:38:33pm

re: #11 000G

These are the guys to whom the vigilante lynching "justice" of groups like Army of God or Operation Rescue are acceptable and even honorable.

These are the guys who'd tell a couple of friends of mine that their three miscarriages were the will of their deity.

And if it's bloodshed they want, i cordially invite them to try telling the would-be mother exactly that.

582 Querent  Sun, Jan 23, 2011 9:57:33pm

re: #212 Jimmi the Grey

I'm just trying to get my head around the subtext of the story. Do I have this right:

Respect life or we'll kill you.

Upding and repeated for sheer blinding clarity!

583 LoWil  Tue, Jan 25, 2011 8:30:44am

It always struck me, as being pro-life, that the best way to combat abortion is to lobby for increased social support for pregnant women so they don't feel like abortion is their only option, which I think is a message that is being pushed heavily upon them, especially single mothers.


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