Chris Matthews confronts Tea Party Express founder Sal Russo with the sheer idiocy of Michele Bachmann, hours before Bachmann’s Tea Party response to the President’s State of the Union.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:49:37pm |
did she really just say that the founders worked to free the slaves?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:50:10pm |
I just watched this.
Fucking insanity. What the hell. Claiming that John Adams worked tirelessly until slavery was gone?
Adams would have loved to do that. He would have really fucking loved to do that. Too bad that it didn’t happen, and instead we got the Civil War, seventy years later.
Jesus christ. And this Sal guy just weasels around and dodges the question. “Some kind of slavery ended then”.
What the fuck. It’s sickening that this woman is a public servant and doesn’t know, or just feels she can lie about, the history of our country.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:51:50pm |
jefferson went to his grave owning slaves and writing racist things about how black people smelled funny and weren’t as intelligent as whites. wtf
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:52:29pm |
I’m noticing increased craziness and apocalyptic speech in so many different sectors and demographics. It’s beginning to freak me out a bit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:52:46pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
I just watched this.
Fucking insanity. What the hell. Claiming that John Adams worked tirelessly until slavery was gone?
Adams would have loved to do that. He would have really fucking loved to do that. Too bad that it didn’t happen, and instead we got the Civil War, seventy years later.
Jesus christ. And this Sal guy just weasels around and dodges the question. “Some kind of slavery ended then”.
What the fuck. It’s sickening that this woman is a public servant and doesn’t know, or just feels she can lie about, the history of our country.
Well, I sat through a simulation where a bunch of middle schoolers pretended to be the founders, and THEY voted to end slavery right then and there. (Really, asking a marginally popular 13 year old to defend such an unpopular concept is a nonstarter.)
Maybe she’s living in that universe, in which John Adams was really a talkative boy named Jonah who is all arms and legs and acne.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:54:42pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:55:44pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:56:33pm |
re: #7 EmmmieG
i was waiting to unveil it for my presidential campaign in decades to come, but i figured, ah what the hell
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:57:07pm |
I also once sat through a “Model UN” in which Israel gave Palestine everything it wanted because Israel was a dumpy unpopular girl who was grateful that Palestine was willing to notice she was alive.
Maybe we should stop this “Prom at the SOTU Address” silliness now. We really wouldn’t want a world run by high schoolers.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:57:17pm |
re: #4 Alexzander
I’m noticing increased craziness and apocalyptic speech in so many different sectors and demographics. It’s beginning to freak me out a bit.
yep!
Shits getting weirder and weirder.
You got GOP congresspeople just outright whitewashing established American history in 2011, in the most connected time on earth we’ve ever had
and they’re peddling the sorts of lies you’d expect from dictators and madmen
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SteveMcGazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:58:08pm |
Bachman’s defenders will insist she never said that the founding fathers eliminated slavery.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:58:34pm |
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thatthatisis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:59:02pm |
Beyond the complete lack of any knowledge of American history, my favorite irony is that she said that, after 21 generations of liberty, this might be the first generation (i.e., Obama) that ends our liberty.
And she is the one who said we should open an investigation of members of Congress to see whether they are anti-American or not.
I’m speechless. I just wish she were … …
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:59:22pm |
Man when Tweety is on, he is on. Love watching him disembowel assholes like that. Of course I just have to shake my head at Bachmann. Somehow I see a Palin Bachmann ticket in ‘12.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 25, 2011 4:59:39pm |
If Adams could have gotten the votes to outlaw slavery, he would have.
He had to work his tail off to get the votes for Independence.
Then he had to work his tail off to get loans for the US in Holland.
Then he worked his tail off as president to avoid a war with France.
You get the idea. The man was the Energizer Bunny of the American Revolution. I swear he died talking.
(Actually, he said, “Thomas Jefferson still lives,” but he was wrong.)
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SteveMcGazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:00:21pm |
re: #16 Dreggas
Man when Tweety is on, he is on. Love watching him disembowel assholes like that. Of course I just have to shake my head at Bachmann. Somehow I see a Palin Bachmann ticket in ‘12.
A Palin-Bachman ticket would still draw 45 million votes.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:00:22pm |
re: #15 thatthatisis
Beyond the complete lack of any knowledge of American history, my favorite irony is that she said that, after 21 generations of liberty, this might be the first generation (i.e., Obama) that ends our liberty.
And she is the one who said we should open an investigation of members of Congress to see whether they are anti-American or not.
I’m speechless. I just wish she were …
What’s scarier to me is there are people that vote for her and do so willingly despite this. If she represents her district then her district must be filled with morons.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:00:30pm |
Wow Chris Matthews really does seem to be hitting his stride lately doesn’t he?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:00:47pm |
Also, there is the difference between ending the slave trade, and ending slavery.
Both good ideas, but different things.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:00:47pm |
re: #18 stevemcg
Yes, it would, and that is scary as hell.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:01:37pm |
re: #17 EmmmieG
If Adams could have gotten the votes to outlaw slavery, he would have.
He had to work his tail off to get the votes for Independence.
Then he had to work his tail off to get loans for the US in Holland.
Then he worked his tail off as president to avoid a war with France.
You get the idea. The man was the Energizer Bunny of the American Revolution. I swear he died talking.
(Actually, he said, “Thomas Jefferson still lives,” but he was wrong.)
Not by much, IIRC…
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:02:48pm |
re: #19 Dreggas
What’s scarier to me is there are people that vote for her and do so willingly despite this. If she represents her district then her district must be filled with morons.
To be fair to the people of this country, her district is the result of rather aggressive gerrymandering, It took work to create a district collectively stupid enough to elect her.
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engineer cat Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:04:39pm |
actually, she says john quincy adams, who was in congress after he was president, at the time that the so-called “gag rule” was in place, which automatically tabled any bill discussing slavery. so, every year, the first thing JQA would do at the opening session of congress would be to introduce a motion addressing slavery - which would promptly be tabled
but JQA was not a ‘founding father’
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:04:58pm |
re: #15 thatthatisis
Unless we have been reproducing at about 11 yrs old, we haven’t had 21 generations of Americans. I’ve lived through 1/4 of US history. Does she know much about the French she took?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:05:33pm |
re: #25 engineer dog
Nice catch.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:06:13pm |
re: #25 engineer dog
actually, she says john quincy adams, who was in congress after he was president, at the time that the so-called “gag rule” was in place, which automatically tabled any bill discussing slavery. so, every year, the first thing JQA would do at the opening session of congress would be to introduce a motion addressing slavery - which would promptly be tabled
but JQA was not a ‘founding father’
No, but I love that he did this.
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thatthatisis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:09:19pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
Unless we have been reproducing at about 11 yrs old, we haven’t had 21 generations of Americans. I’ve lived through 1/4 of US history. Does she know much about the French she took?
Non, mon ami.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:10:41pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
Unless we have been reproducing at about 11 yrs old, we haven’t had 21 generations of Americans. I’ve lived through 1/4 of US history. Does she know much about the French she took?
Sacrebleu!
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:11:10pm |
For some reason the video keeps freezing up halfway through. I’m dying to know what this guy says in the second half.
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Locker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:15:52pm |
This is fine demonstration of the unreachable state in which some of these far right religious Conservatives live. Michelle Bachmann traffics in lies and that’s the long and short of it
Look:
[Link: www.politifact.com…]
13 statements rated. 7 False. 6 Pant on Fire false.
The only way someone could follow, believe or admire someone like this is to place no value on factual information. Here audience doesn’t care about facts, doesn’t care about reality and doesn’t care about anyone or anything other than maintaining their own imaginary reality.
It is impossible to pretend that being raised as a devout Christian doesn’t contribute to this situation in a tremendous way. These people are taught to
Reject facts as a matter of faith.”
These people are insane.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:18:21pm |
That was great! Why can’t tweety be like this more often?
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qubit2020 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:18:51pm |
I wish Chris would let his adversaries talk (hell, he doesn’t let his friends talk either..), it would lend more credibility to his arguments. But, he was right.
I loved the Balloonhead moniker for Bachmann.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:18:52pm |
“Some kind of slavery ended with the civil war”
Lol
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:20:55pm |
re: #34 Surabaya Stew
That was great! Why can’t tweety be like this more often?
Even though he was correct, his O’Reilly imitation irritates me. The pundits and their nut-case prey have reduced us to Jerry Springer politics.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:21:36pm |
re: #37 Decatur Deb
Even though he was correct, his O’Reilly imitation irritates me. The pundits and their nut-case prey have reduced us to Jerry Springer politics.
We’ll always have Maddow and Stewart… I hope….
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:21:51pm |
This is only tip tip of the iceberg. Conservatives are increasingly using revisionist history. Most people, and even the press are polite and give them a pass on it but in open debates they are going to get crushed.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:22:35pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
This is only tip tip of the iceberg. Conservatives are increasingly using revisionist history. Most people, and even the press are polite and give them a pass on it but in open debates they are going to get crushed.
Does this country still do open debates?
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:23:07pm |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
“Some kind of slavery ended with the civil war”
Lol
Yeah, don’t you know that we still have that wage slavery that ties workers to evil corporations that force them to stay at their desks up to 12 hours a day?!
Wait, thats not a Tea Party talking point?! Never mind then….
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:23:07pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
This is only tip tip of the iceberg. Conservatives are increasingly using revisionist history. Most people, and even the press are polite and give them a pass on it but in open debates they are going to get crushed.
Not if they succeed in dumbing down the electorate.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:23:39pm |
I don’t know whats more embarassing, that Bachmann is that ignorant, that people cover for her, or the fact she actually got elected.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:24:10pm |
re: #41 Surabaya Stew
Yeah, don’t you know that we still have that wage slavery that ties workers to evil corporations that force them to stay at their desks up to 12 hours a day?!
Wait, thats not a Tea Party talking point?! Never mind then…
They routinely call taxes “slavery”. He just didn’t get the meme out.
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calochortus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:24:24pm |
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qubit2020 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:25:20pm |
Bachmann shows that the narrative is (much) more important than facts.
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calochortus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:25:57pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
Not if they succeed in dumbing down the electorate.
Sadly the electorate is already dumbed down. People are not by and large, influenced by fact. They prefer beliefs that make them feel comfortable.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:27:09pm |
You know what really pisses me off the most about the revisionist history? It completely denies all of those people that came after the Founding Father’s that made this country great. All of the people who completed their work and finished what they couldn’t or wouldn’t. There are people in every subsequent generation that gave all that they had including their lived to make this country better when they left it then it was when they were born into it. And when Bachmann and her ilk talk as if the FFs left us a perfect union that has somehow been ruined by progressives she shits on most of what our children have a right to be proud of. My ancestors came here in chains and I am damn proud to be born to a country that unlike any other nation that enslaved Africans followed by legalized discrimination, we had a Civil Rights movement. We had a Labor Movement. We had a Women’s Movement. We have a gay rights movement. We had Fredrick Douglas. We had WEB DuBois. We had Susan B. Anthony. We had MLK. We had Cesar Chavez. I could go on and on and on. She is shitting on these movements and those people. She’s shitting on all of the Union troops that died in the Civil War, many of them newly arrived immigrants. We should be as proud of them as the FFs. They did the hard work that needed to be finished. Revisionist history denies these people everything that they are due. Everything that makes this country special, even though we have the same kinds of shameful scars that many other nation has. This is why we are special.
This is the real American Exceptionalism that Bachmann and her crew don’t understand. Screw her dumb ignorant ass.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:27:57pm |
The Earth is 5000 years old.
The Charge of the Light Brigade was a good thing.
The Founding Fathers abolished Slavery.
The Tea Party wants whats best for America.
Allow me to ponder the mindset needed to render all those ideas as truth.
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makeitstop Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:28:10pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
This is only tip tip of the iceberg. Conservatives are increasingly using revisionist history. Most people, and even the press are polite and give them a pass on it but in open debates they are going to get crushed.
I can see a day in a debate where one candidate will mouth a falsehood, and his opponent will correct that falsehood.
And due to the toxic political climate and anti-intellectual trend going on in this country, I can see the crowd booing the guy who’s got the correct facts.
It could happen.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:29:34pm |
re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal
You know what really pisses me off the most about the revisionist history? It completely denies all of those people that came after the Founding Father’s that made this country great. All of the people who completed their work and finished what they couldn’t or wouldn’t. There are people in every subsequent generation that gave all that they had including their lived to make this country better when they left it then it was when they were born into it. And when Bachmann and her ilk talk as if the FFs left us a perfect union that has somehow been ruined by progressives she shits on most of what our children have a right to be proud of. My ancestors came here in chains and I am damn proud to be born to a country that unlike any other nation that enslaved Africans followed by legalized discrimination, we had a Civil Rights movement. We had a Labor Movement. We had a Women’s Movement. We have a gay rights movement. We had Fredrick Douglas. We had WEB DuBois. We had Susan B. Anthony. We had MLK. We had Cesar Chavez. I could go on and on and on. She is shitting on these movements and those people. She’s shitting on all of the Union troops that died in the Civil War, many of them newly arrived immigrants. We should be as proud of them as the FFs. They did the hard work that needed to be finished. Revisionist history denies these people everything that they are due. Everything that makes this country special, even though we have the same kinds of shameful scars that many other nation has. This is why we are special.
This is the real American Exceptionalism that Bachmann and her crew don’t understand. Screw her dumb ignorant ass.
Excellent. And she knows exactly what she’s saying.
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calochortus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:29:45pm |
re: #50 makeitstop
I can see a day in a debate where one candidate will mouth a falsehood, and his opponent will correct that falsehood.
And due to the toxic political climate and anti-intellectual trend going on in this country, I can see the crowd booing the guy who’s got the correct facts.
It could happen.
I suspect it already has, somewhere.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:30:36pm |
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:31:22pm |
Personally, I’m looking forward to Bachmann’s Batshit Crazy State of the Teabaggers speech tonight.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:31:45pm |
re: #3 SpaceJesus
jefferson went to his grave owning slaves and writing racist things about how black people smelled funny and weren’t as intelligent as whites. wtf
And he was Strom Thurmond before Strom Thurmond was Strom Thurmond.
When I think about South Carolina Republicans, I think about them voting against John McCain in 2000 because of the rumors of him having a black child even as they had been voting for 50 years for a man who really did have a black child. LOL!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:34:19pm |
re: #51 Decatur Deb
Excellent. And she knows exactly what she’s saying.
Oh I know she knows better. Which is why she really deserves a “fuck you”.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:34:54pm |
I’m going to go out a limb here…
I KNOW MORE ABOUT HISTORY THAN THIS …THIS ..AH PERSON!!!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:35:03pm |
Rand Paul’s budget has been released, and it’s a hoot.
[Link: www.randpaul2010.com…]
He’s got a vision of a very different kind of America - no EPA, no DOE, no foreign aid at all, etc.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:35:10pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
Unless we have been reproducing at about 11 yrs old, we haven’t had 21 generations of Americans. I’ve lived through 1/4 of US history. Does she know much about the French she took?
But I do know that I love you. (Well, I like you a whole bunch anyway).
Joan Walsh, editor at Salon, is on fire there as well!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:36:19pm |
Rand Paul wants to cut 83% of the Department of Education’s budget.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:36:48pm |
And eliminate the Department of Energy.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:37:11pm |
re: #58 Charles
Holy shit. He cuts 32% from the courts— without any explanation of how this can be done. He just notes that the costs have risen faster than inflation, as though that’s relevant.
And as many predicted, he barely touched defense— 6.5% cuts.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:37:18pm |
re: #58 Charles
Some hard decisions will have to be made.
But, hopefully, the decisions will not be bat-shit crazy.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:37:31pm |
President Obama will look good with an orange background tonight. Poor Biden, though…having to sit next to an ashtray.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:37:48pm |
re: #63 Obdicut
Holy shit. He cuts 32% from the courts— without any explanation of how this can be done. He just notes that the costs have risen faster than inflation, as though that’s relevant.
And as many predicted, he barely touched defense— 6.5% cuts.
All Guns.
No Butter.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:38:26pm |
re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal
And he was Strom Thurmond before Strom Thurmond was Strom Thurmond.
When I think about South Carolina Republicans, I think about them voting against John McCain in 2000 because of the rumors of him having a black child even as they had been voting for 50 years for a man who really did have a black child. LOL!
To them, McCain was a carpetbagger, but Strom was one of them…
/uggghhh
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:38:29pm |
It didn’t take but the first page for me to laugh out loud…
and in September they released
their first-ever comic book, “Squeaks Discovers Type,” meant to teach children “why printing is important.”
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makeitstop Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:38:31pm |
re: #58 Charles
Rand Paul’s budget has been released, and it’s a hoot.
[Link: www.randpaul2010.com…]
He’s got a vision of a very different kind of America - no EPA, no DOE, no foreign aid at all, etc.
And he proposes doing it all in this fiscal year. It sounds like Grover Norquist’s wet dream.
That’s Curly’s idea of a looneytarian utopia? No thanks.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:38:42pm |
re: #58 Charles
Rand Paul’s budget has been released, and it’s a hoot.
[Link: www.randpaul2010.com…]
He’s got a vision of a very different kind of America - no EPA, no DOE, no foreign aid at all, etc.
Only a 6.5% decrease for the military. Interesting. I’m pretty sure you win a bet on that one.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:38:50pm |
re: #58 Charles
He advocates cuts to the NIH. The NIH provides scientific grant research that is universally agreed upon to produce more than its funding level in economic value for private industry. It more than pays for itself.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:39:38pm |
re: #65 darthstar
President Obama will look good with an orange background tonight. Poor Biden, though…having to sit next to an ashtray.
That cries at the drop of a hat.
I’d love to see Biden try to keep himself from snickering if Sir Tans-a-lot cried about something.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:14pm |
re: #58 Charles
Some nice lies in there, too:
Policies perpetuated by HUD and its related agencies played a key role fostering subprime lending that brought the financial system to its knees in 2008.
What an asshole.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:14pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Only a 6.5% decrease for the military. Interesting. I’m pretty sure you win a bet on that one.
Just call me Little Green Nostradamus. The bigwigs had a come-to-Jesus moment with Rand over his libertarian isolationism.
No problem with completely eliminating foreign aid, though. 100% cut.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:21pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:37pm |
Lawhawk has put up a page with the SOTU text.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:37pm |
Food and Drug Administration: Reduce 62 Percent
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calochortus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:37pm |
re: #58 Charles
OK, lets try this somewhere. Like Texas. Then in a few years we can see whether people are moving there in droves.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:38pm |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:40:54pm |
re: #76 Charles
No problem with completely eliminating foreign aid, though. 100% cut.
The Marshall Plan? Sounds like some sorta commie plot to me!
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:41:12pm |
re: #58 Charles
Rand Paul’s budget has been released, and it’s a hoot.
[Link: www.randpaul2010.com…]
He’s got a vision of a very different kind of America - no EPA, no DOE, no foreign aid at all, etc.
Isolationist, knuckle-dragging moron…Rand Paul, fuck you.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:41:29pm |
re: #77 darthstar
Twenty minutes from now.
Ok, I gotta do some dishes and get my drink on before the dog and pony show starts.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:41:33pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:42:11pm |
re: #80 calochortus
OK, lets try this somewhere. Like Texas. Then in a few years we can see whether people are moving there in droves.
The best excuse for states is that they serve as laboratories. Texas could be where we test toxic cosmetics.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:42:29pm |
re: #58 Charles
Rand Paul’s budget has been released, and it’s a hoot.
[Link: www.randpaul2010.com…]
He’s got a vision of a very different kind of America - no EPA, no DOE, no foreign aid at all, etc.
Will it be Judge Dredd world when he’s done?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:42:57pm |
re: #85 McSpiff
Minorities!!1!
Those poor bankers were brought to their knees by being forced to give bad loans to illegal immigrants!
It had nothing to do with the creation of complex financial instruments that hid risk and bundled unsafe mortgages together into gigantic time bomb packages that were then sold and resold as grade A investments!
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:43:05pm |
A Primer and a Bible …Chalk and a slate !
He’ll set us back 200 years….but he’ll save the rain forest///
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:43:20pm |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:43:26pm |
re: #89 WindUpBird
Will it be Judge Dredd world when he’s done?
No, in that world, America still existed.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:43:40pm |
re: #80 calochortus
Nope. I live in Texas, and Gov. Hairdo (R-Stone Ages) will have none of it. None of it I say!
//
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:43:59pm |
I’ll have live video of the SOTU speech from the White House, in case you aren’t watching a TV.
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mr.fusion Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:44:51pm |
This guy was just dying to compare Obama’s economic policies to slavery…..he certainly alluded to it a couple of times, I wish Matthews would have picked up on it
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:45:06pm |
re: #87 Decatur Deb
Why all the Texas hatin’? I live here! Keep the testing away!!!!
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:45:20pm |
re: #62 Charles
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: Reduce 36 Percent
Right, because studying the climate and economic effects is off-scope? Weather related events cause billions of dollars in damage annually. Knowing how that happens, and how to work towards predicting severe weather events is… umm… the core mission.
DOE eliminated? The purpose of the DOE wasn’t just regulating oil prices. It was to develop alt-energy and find ways to improve energy efficiency and now is responsible for the nation’s nuclear weapons program, nuclear reactor production for the United States Navy, energy conservation, energy-related research, radioactive waste disposal, and domestic energy production.
DOE also sponsors more basic and applied scientific research than any other US federal agency; most of this is funded through its system of United States Department of Energy National Laboratories.
Fat chance of eliminating that Department.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:45:34pm |
re: #97 mr.fusion
This guy was just dying to compare Obama’s economic policies to slavery…he certainly alluded to it a couple of times, I wish Matthews would have picked up on it
There are only so many idiotic things Matthews can address in one hour.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:45:47pm |
re: #98 Kid A
Why all the Texas hatin’? I live here! Keep the testing away!!!
Jealousy. I live in Alabama.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:45:48pm |
re: #1 SpaceJesus
did she really just say that the founders worked to free the slaves?
She got that from Beck: [Link: mediamatters.org…]
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:46:09pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:46:29pm |
re: #93 Decatur Deb
No, It’ll be eastern Kentucky.
(from Night Court)
[about Yakov’s brother, who doesn’t want to go back to the Soviet Union]
Baliff Nostradamus ‘Bull’ Shannon: Is it really that bad over there?
Yakov Korolenko: You ever been to Milwaukee?
Baliff Nostradamus ‘Bull’ Shannon: Yeah.
Yakov Korolenko: Close your eyes.
Baliff Nostradamus ‘Bull’ Shannon: Why?
Yakov Korolenko: Please?
[Bull does]
Yakov Korolenko: When you open your eyes, you’re going to be in the middle of Milwaukee. No matter where you go, no matter how far you run, you’re still going to be in the middle of Milwaukee. You can get in a cab, and drive two hundred miles in any direction, and you’re still going to be in the middle of Milwaukee. You can get in an airplane, and fly two thousand miles, and you’re still…
Baliff Nostradamus ‘Bull’ Shannon: [clutching his head] NO! STOP, STOP IT!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:47:02pm |
CNN is actually going to have Erick Erickson commenting on the SOTU.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:47:29pm |
re: #105 Charles
CNN is actually going to have Erick Erickson commenting on the SOTU.
CNN has jumped the shark.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:47:43pm |
re: #41 Surabaya Stew
Yeah, don’t you know that we still have that wage slavery that ties workers to evil corporations that force them to stay at their desks up to 12 hours a day?!
Wait, thats not a Tea Party talking point?! Never mind then…
Jon Stewart did a highlight on Turkey Creek, MS which founded by a group of freed slaves after the Civil War. Most residents today are their descendants and many still live in the homes built during the Reconstruction era.
The State has been chipping away at their land for decades. Agent Orange has been dumped there along with all kinds of toxic materials and pollutants. They’ve also lost land to developing, including an apartment complex which was built over the grave sites of those first group of freed slaves.
The residents turned to everyone for help. The state, the federal government, the NAACP. No one would help. The only group that came through was the Audubon Society. They were able to make much of Turkey Creek (but not all) declared a bird sanctuary and thereby protected land.
The birds…. The birds are more important than the descendants of the slaves.
We have a way to go yet.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:47:48pm |
re: #105 Charles
CNN is actually going to have Erick Erickson commenting on the SOTU.
Will they have subtitles to translate the Herp a Derp?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:48:35pm |
re: #98 Kid A
Why all the Texas hatin’? I live here! Keep the testing away!!!
I can’t totally hate on Texas, they gave me this
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:48:53pm |
re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal
You know what really pisses me off the most about the revisionist history? It completely denies all of those people that came after the Founding Father’s that made this country great. All of the people who completed their work and finished what they couldn’t or wouldn’t. There are people in every subsequent generation that gave all that they had including their lived to make this country better when they left it then it was when they were born into it. And when Bachmann and her ilk talk as if the FFs left us a perfect union that has somehow been ruined by progressives she shits on most of what our children have a right to be proud of. My ancestors came here in chains and I am damn proud to be born to a country that unlike any other nation that enslaved Africans followed by legalized discrimination, we had a Civil Rights movement. We had a Labor Movement. We had a Women’s Movement. We have a gay rights movement. We had Fredrick Douglas. We had WEB DuBois. We had Susan B. Anthony. We had MLK. We had Cesar Chavez. I could go on and on and on. She is shitting on these movements and those people. She’s shitting on all of the Union troops that died in the Civil War, many of them newly arrived immigrants. We should be as proud of them as the FFs. They did the hard work that needed to be finished. Revisionist history denies these people everything that they are due. Everything that makes this country special, even though we have the same kinds of shameful scars that many other nation has. This is why we are special.
This is the real American Exceptionalism that Bachmann and her crew don’t understand. Screw her dumb ignorant ass.
Oh you made me tear up!
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palomino Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:48:54pm |
re: #82 Obdicut
The Marshall Plan? Sounds like some sorta commie plot to me!
Makes Paul Ryan’s “roadmap” budget look sane by comparison.
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Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:49:21pm |
More naive nostalgia? I think she also forgot about women’s suffrage. They also didn’t have, ahem, farm subsidies “back in the good old days”. Sal Russo was very ineffective and about the most I got out of him was hearing that nervous laugh. Bachmann of course is pulling a beck setting up the ground work for “THE END OF THE USA!” fear talk.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:49:48pm |
re: #111 palomino
Makes Paul Ryan’s “roadmap” budget look sane by comparison.
Maybe that was the plan?
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:49:57pm |
re: #65 darthstar
President Obama will look good with an orange background tonight. Poor Biden, though…having to sit next to an ashtray.
Too bad that Boehner couldn’t use that orange background…he’d be like the Invisible Man ;-P
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:50:47pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:51:18pm |
Paul wants to reduce CDC budget by 28%? Insane. He’s busy complaining about travel expenses, even though the CDC’s job includes finding potential disease outbreaks, tracing them to the source, and protecting public health.
You know - like essential to national safety/security.
CDC corps are on the front lines of sourcing outbreaks of new diseases and helping determine how to prevent spread of outbreaks.
That kind of cut is just insane. Like so many of the other cuts. Unrealistic and completely unsupported by reality.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:52:09pm |
Wolf Blitzer: “I’ve been in that motorcade before”
…thanks Wolf. Insightful. Cocky bastard.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:52:18pm |
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thatthatisis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:52:46pm |
re: #48 moderatelyradicalliberal
Unbelievable post. Great.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:53:51pm |
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:54:19pm |
re: #116 lawhawk
That kind of cut is just insane. Like so many of the other cuts. Unrealistic and completely unsupported by reality.
so the interesting question for me is not why politicians act like politicians — because they all do — but why this segment of the polity thinks this will sell.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:55:00pm |
re: #107 marjoriemoon
Jon Stewart did a highlight on Turkey Creek, MS which founded by a group of freed slaves after the Civil War. Most residents today are their descendants and many still live in the homes built during the Reconstruction era.
The State has been chipping away at their land for decades. Agent Orange has been dumped there along with all kinds of toxic materials and pollutants. They’ve also lost land to developing, including an apartment complex which was built over the grave sites of those first group of freed slaves.
The residents turned to everyone for help. The state, the federal government, the NAACP. No one would help. The only group that came through was the Audubon Society. They were able to make much of Turkey Creek (but not all) declared a bird sanctuary and thereby protected land.
The birds… The birds are more important than the descendants of the slaves.
We have a way to go yet.
What?!? The NAACP wouldn’t help? Ban them and get rid of their federal funding!!!
(says the TP talking point)
Seriously though, that is a sad story, yet not unfamiliar. It reminds me of the UK where the Royal Society to prevent animal abuse was founded 60 years before its equivalent organization was founded to prevent child abuse!
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:55:01pm |
Just got a call from my folks, who sounded a little buzzed. My mom (73) shot her second hole in one golfing today, and apparently hit the pin on the next par 3 hole with her drive. Not bad.
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:55:57pm |
Tempting to run to a cafe so I can have fast internet and watch the interactive state of the union.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:56:54pm |
re: #125 darthstar
How old was she when she hit fer first hole-in-one?
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:57:08pm |
How long is the state of the union typically?
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:58:21pm |
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:58:35pm |
re: #129 Alexzander
About an hour. Actually, all the interruptions from the applause are longer than the speech itself.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:59:13pm |
re: #130 darthstar
So, two in three years??!! That’s very impressive.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:59:16pm |
re: #105 Charles
CNN is actually going to have Erick Erickson commenting on the SOTU.
Christ almighty….
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:00:03pm |
re: #131 Kid A
About an hour. Actually, all the interruptions from the applause are longer than the speech itself.
An analyst pointed out that the ‘school dance’ seating arrangement was going to complicate the standing ovation shtick.
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FreedomMoon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:00:11pm |
Michele Bachmann is about 1/4 as knowledgeable on the history of the US as Sarah Palin, which in a more objective sense equates her to about an average 6th grader. I think the rich behind the tea-party movement know that there is nobody with half a brain that is willing to spout their nonsense, so they have to search out religious fanatical simpletons that can’t comprehend reality and are able to tirelessly push the same illogical talking points. And so, voila we have Sarah Palin (who as we all know also has ulterior, narcissistic motives ) and her even more mentally-limited counterpart Michelle Bachmann. The future sure is bright for the tea-party!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:00:23pm |
re: #105 Charles
CNN is actually going to have Erick Erickson commenting on the SOTU.
That man has a face made for punching.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:01:03pm |
re: #134 Decatur Deb
It’ll look like the “Wave”…
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:01:36pm |
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:02:00pm |
re: #135 tacuba14
Michele Bachmann is about 1/4 as knowledgeable on the history of the US as Sarah Palin, which in a more objective sense equates her to about an average 6th grader.
What do you have against 6th Graders?
/
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palomino Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:02:28pm |
re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Maybe that was the plan?
Great strategy: “Vote for Plan A, it’s not as crazy as Plan B.”
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:03:20pm |
re: #140 palomino
Almost as appealing as voting for “the lesser of two evils.”
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:04:25pm |
That Chris Matthews interview was a thing of beauty.
Damn straight these twits don’t know about our history. That is because they make it up as they go along. Damn straight the suits behind it know better.
Damn straight those suits are so twisted and morally hollow that even though they know better they can’t speak truths that most 5th graders know.
Damn straight the teabags are an abomination.
Damn straight America deserves better.
Damn straight they are trying to rewrite our history so that they can deny the needs of those they despise in the future.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:04:36pm |
re: #105 Charles
CNN is actually going to have Erick Erickson commenting on the SOTU.
The Goatfucking Child Molestor Erick Erickson?
Oh wait, I’m sorry, that wasn’t HIM, that’s just what he calls supreme court justices
Thank god I don’t watch CNN, maybe I’ll turn it on as suitable accompaniment when I clean the cats’ litter boxes
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BlarneyStone Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:05:14pm |
re: #26 Decatur Deb
Unless we have been reproducing at about 11 yrs old, we haven’t had 21 generations of Americans. I’ve lived through 1/4 of US history. Does she know much about the French she took?
The reason for getting the numbers wrong is that Bachman deliberately bait-and-switches the Mayflower Compact in 1620 with the Constitution, so that she can prove that the US was founded on “Christian Faith”. Please ignore actual US history where the Pilgrims were escaping religious persecution and the framers of the Constitution were influenced by the Enlightenment and didn’t mention Christianity.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:07:14pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:09:58pm |
re: #145 Kid A
You forgot to mention that the Founders were conservatives.
//
See Jonah Golberg Esq’s “Liberal Toryism”.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:19:16pm |
re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Allow me to ponder the mindset needed to render all those ideas as truth.
Imagine hitting yourself in the head repeatedly with a ball peen hammer. Or drinking paint thinner or inhaling compressed air to get high.
That’s about what it takes for a normal, rational person to consider any of those things true.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:19:29pm |
re: #135 tacuba14
Michele Bachmann is about 1/4 as knowledgeable on the history of the US as Sarah Palin, which in a more objective sense equates her to about an average 6th grader. I think the rich behind the tea-party movement know that there is nobody with half a brain that is willing to spout their nonsense, so they have to search out religious fanatical simpletons that can’t comprehend reality and are able to tirelessly push the same illogical talking points. And so, voila we have Sarah Palin (who as we all know also has ulterior, narcissistic motives ) and her even more mentally-limited counterpart Michelle Bachmann. The future sure is bright for the tea-party!
Bachmann is definitely NOT smarter than a 6th (or 5th) grader…
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BlarneyStone Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:50pm |
re: #145 Kid A
Don’t tell em that the idea that human society can improve generation by generation is itself a progressive philosophy. That’d be too confusing. The conservative logic should be that society was perfect in 1776 (or 0 AD) adn is going to hell-in-a-handbasket … :)
| 150 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:10pm |
re: #1 SpaceJesus
did she really just say that the founders worked to free the slaves?
Benjamin Franklin founded an abolition society!
/OK, they didn’t exactly achieve all of their goals, but Ben has to count for at least three or four Founders.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:54:34pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Benjamin Franklin founded an abolition society!
/OK, they didn’t exactly achieve all of their goals, but Ben has to count for at least three or four Founders.
Ben Franklin is my favorite FF.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:39pm |
re: #3 SpaceJesus
jefferson went to his grave owning slaves and writing racist things about how black people smelled funny and weren’t as intelligent as whites. wtf
Sadly, because history is written by those with education and leisure time, we do not have any records of black people discussing what they thought Thomas Jefferson smelled like. I’m guessing tobacco and some sissified cologne as the major elements.
//I like Jefferson. Really, I do. But some of what he wrote, especially about race, tries my intergenerational tolerance to the breaking point.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:37pm |
I really don’t like Matthews’s style at all, but if anyone deserves to be the focus of it, it’s a TPer.
I do like that he pointed out how the Teahadis are campaigning on “… some sort of new, almost scriptural notion of American history that somehow goes back to some perfection time that we’re trying to recover…”
I have long pointed out, particularly in the case of dominionist types, that the call to return to a “Golden Age” that never truly existed is a major plank of any fascist political movement. I certainly think this also applies to the Teahadi movement.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:05pm |
re: #10 EmmmieG
I also once sat through a “Model UN” in which Israel gave Palestine everything it wanted because Israel was a dumpy unpopular girl who was grateful that Palestine was willing to notice she was alive.
Maybe we should stop this “Prom at the SOTU Address” silliness now. We really wouldn’t want a world run by high schoolers.
On the other hand, they do have a really well-developed sense of justice, as long as it isn’t directed at their own social circles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:03:38pm |
re: #17 EmmmieG
If Adams could have gotten the votes to outlaw slavery, he would have.
He had to work his tail off to get the votes for Independence.
Then he had to work his tail off to get loans for the US in Holland.
Then he worked his tail off as president to avoid a war with France.
You get the idea. The man was the Energizer Bunny of the American Revolution. I swear he died talking.
(Actually, he said, “Thomas Jefferson still lives,” but he was wrong.)
He only missed by about, what, five hours?
And yeah. Adams worked his ass off. And Abigail worked her ass off so that he could be out there changing the world. Awe-inspiring people.
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