Live Video: State of the Union
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Courtesy of The White House, here’s a live video feed of President Obama’s State of the Union speech.
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709 comments
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:55:48pm |
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brookly red Tue, Jan 25, 2011 5:59:18pm |
I read the text, courtesy of a talk show... it is a very long speech so please bring a snack.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:01:18pm |
I love how they have the "response" written before what they are responding to is released.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:02:08pm |
being able to watch on-line with out having to purchase TV makes me feel better already...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:02:35pm |
re: #3 sagehen
I like Michelle's dress.
Me too. She's fabulous. I'll admit it, I like her more than the President. And I like him a lot.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:02:54pm |
Love watching the SOTU. I won't be commenting though. I like to sit back and take it in uninterrupted.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:03:15pm |
If you watch at the White House site and click on the enhanced version here:
[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]
You will get charts and graphs to "enhance" the experience.....
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:03:30pm |
re: #5 brookly red
being able to watch on-line with out having to purchase TV makes me feel better already...
Haven't had a TV in years - but my current internet connection is horrid. I'm starting to regret not having gone to a bar or cafe for faster internet. I bet the enhanced presentation is talked about quite a bit in the commentary. I wonder if it really will make his arguments more compelling.
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Locker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:03:57pm |
Gotta love how old e.e. is doing some coverage tonight.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
In responding to criticism of the post, Erickson addressed that wording only by saying it "sound[s] like a caveat, but it is not a caveat to any of us here." Whatever that means. He did, however, say he stands by the post, so … here we are: Erick Erickson thinks "mass bloodshed" will be necessary if anti-abortion activists fail to convey to their elected officials the importance of overturning Roe v. Wade. Not just inevitable: "Necessary."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:05:14pm |
Will Boehner do the dolphin jump and clap this time?
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:06:09pm |
Given recent events, this should be verrry inter-essting.
Good evening, all. Looking forward to a fruitful debate amongst ourselves.
(Can't wait for Bachmann's response!)
Here we go!
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:06:34pm |
re: #12 austin_blue
Given recent events, this should be verrry inter-essting.
Good evening, all. Looking forward to a fruitful debate amongst ourselves.
(Can't wait for Bachmann's response!)
Here we go!
Oh and happy Robert Burns day.
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:08:16pm |
I'm continuing to go through Paul's nonsensical attempt to cull $500 billion from the budget in one fiscal year. The whoppers keep coming up.
National Park Service: Reduce 42 percent
In 2009, repairs were performed on the Vietnam Memorial and those repairs were done without the use of taxpayer
funds. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund took over the duties of preserving the memorial because the National
Park Service did not have the resources from the federal government.
Every year the amount of appropriations increase to the National Park Service, yet both the GAO and the
Congressional Research Services have stated that NPS’s backlog on projects and maintenance would cost several
billion dollars to the American taxpayer. National Parks have seen a decrease in visitors and campers each year due
to trash, lack of facilities, or even safety. Returning these public lands back to the states and or the private sector
would allow an increase in quality, safety and a reduction in government spending each year.
The NPS website indicates that their request for FY 2011 is actually below FY 2010 actual - $3.14 billion from $3.16 billion.
And the NPS stats from their site indicate a pretty significant increase in users in the past couple of years, and that's with an increase in user fees and national park fees that cover the shortfall at many parks.
Multi-Year Summary Report
Year Recreation
Visits
2006 272,623,980
2007 275,581,547
2008 274,852,949
2009 285,579,941
The backlog in fixes needs to be addressed because this is the nation's heritage and legacy we're talking about.
Not that he seems to care much about any of it.
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:08:27pm |
re: #4 Conservative Moonbat
I love how they have the "response" written before what they are responding to is released.
they distribute a "prepared text" to congress and press well beforehand.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:09:00pm |
Boehner's looking extra orange. Nice tie too.
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:09:17pm |
Today is Robert Burns day? Damn I have to call my mum. Miss her suddenly.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:09:30pm |
Looks like Claire McCaskill drew the short straw with her "date" for the night....
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:09:46pm |
re: #17 lawhawk
It's just amazing. This is where the Tea Party wants America to go.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:10:14pm |
re: #6 moderatelyradicalliberal
Me too. She's fabulous. I'll admit it, I like her more than the President. And I like him a lot.
I was gonna say she's our Jackie O and she certainly is with style and grace, but she's so much more than that, as president's wives have taken on so many causes in the time since Camelot.
Promoting community services, working with young people, focusing on health and nutrition. Let's Move is her baby. The two of them are a great pair.
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:10:28pm |
Obama should begin:
To a Louse..erg..ahem.. To the republicans and tea partiers...
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:10:47pm |
Is there a jumbotron that is captioned applause... still?
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:10:51pm |
re: #15 austin_blue
Is his hair black or grey tonight?
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He should dye it bright pink and get it over with.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:11:16pm |
re: #13 austin_blue
Oh and happy Robert Burns day.
Ah man, I forgot! There's always a good party around his statue downtown. Too snowy out though tonight. Spending it with you lovely folks
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:11:30pm |
re: #17 lawhawk
I'm continuing to go through Paul's nonsensical attempt to cull $500 billion from the budget in one fiscal year. The whoppers keep coming up.
The NPS website indicates that their request for FY 2011 is actually below FY 2010 actual - $3.14 billion from $3.16 billion.
And the NPS stats from their site indicate a pretty significant increase in users in the past couple of years, and that's with an increase in user fees and national park fees that cover the shortfall at many parks.
The backlog in fixes needs to be addressed because this is the nation's heritage and legacy we're talking about.
Not that he seems to care much about any of it.
So it costs the federal treasury $10/yr per national park visitor?
I call that money well spent.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:11:48pm |
The Republicans and Democrats are all sitting next to each other tonight instead of in separate blocks. Civility!
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:12:19pm |
Makes it a little harder to behave like an asshole. I approve.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:12:48pm |
They do more standing/sitting than Easter mass!
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:13:19pm |
re: #32 Charles
The Republicans and Democrats are all sitting next to each other tonight instead of in separate blocks. Civility!
Maddow was saying some of them paired up like the House woman's softball team (bipartisan) to sit together.
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:13:25pm |
re: #34 Charles
I'm hoping Obama starts cracking jokes about "civility" and "reaching across the aisle."
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:13:28pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:13:40pm |
re: #22 Charles
It's just amazing. This is where the Tea Party wants America to go.
Well it's not like they gave any real specifics before the election. Truthfully, I can't believe they are being this honest about how radical their real plans are. Maybe now the press will hold them accountable for their batshit crazy ideas.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:13:52pm |
I can't wait to see if Michelle Bachmann gives us another lesson in Mad Libs history tonight.
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:14:16pm |
I always get butterflies in my stomach when someone has to make a big speech like this.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:15:02pm |
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:15:13pm |
re: #42 celticdragon
I wish both the president and responder just improvised. Sadly, it's probably going to seem like Bachmann is doing just that by repeating the same tired lines.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:15:16pm |
re: #39 marjoriemoon
He's a trail-blazer. Dig that crazy tie!
Pink?? A little early for Valentines day.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:15:58pm |
re: #43 Jadespring
I always get butterflies in my stomach when someone has to make a big speech like this.
Me too. I'm personally terrified of public speaking. Even watching speeches makes my a bit queasy.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:16:23pm |
re: #33 Gus 802
C'mon, Boehner! I can see the glassiness in your eyes! Let 'em flow, brother!
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:16:36pm |
re: #47 McSpiff
He's not perfect, but I still like him.
That's probably what most women would say about their husbands.
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Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:16:46pm |
re: #49 Kid A
C'mon, Boehner! I can see the glassiness in your eyes! Let 'em flow, brother!
Yeah, that was close. ;)
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:16:48pm |
Do you think everyone sitting there has already read the speech, or do you think they wait for his actual presentation?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:16:51pm |
re: #34 Charles
Makes it a little harder to behave like an asshole. I approve.
Of course, that's why the Tea Party types like beck and Limbaugh disapproved.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:17:03pm |
re: #49 Kid A
C'mon, Boehner! I can see the glassiness in your eyes! Let 'em flow, brother!
I think the glassiness is in his hand (I'm here all night, don't forget to tip your waitresses)
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:17:06pm |
re: #49 Kid A
C'mon, Boehner! I can see the glassiness in your eyes! Let 'em flow, brother!
He looks a little hungover.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:17:42pm |
re: #56 moderatelyradicalliberal
Is that water or Grey Goose in his glass?
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:18:22pm |
re: #26 BishopX
I want to see if Boehner cries...
watch his mouth... he can't quite conceal a grimace -- twitch twitch twitch.
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:18:41pm |
re: #48 Killgore Trout
Me too. I'm personally terrified of public speaking. Even watching speeches makes my a bit queasy.
I think it's because I have done quite a bit of public speaking and it doesn't matter how many times I did it I always felt queasy as the time got closer...and closer..and closer. So it's me projecting. :)
The worst was when I had to talk in front about 500 people. Thought I was going to puke before that one.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:18:48pm |
re: #40 moderatelyradicalliberal
Well it's not like they gave any real specifics before the election. Truthfully, I can't believe they are being this honest about how radical their real plans are. Maybe now the press will hold them accountable for their batshit crazy ideas.
It's not going to go anywhere. If I'm not mistaken, his dad was/is behind some of these same ideas. I think most on the Hill think of him (Ron) as that Crazy Uncle that you have over at holiday dinner. Rand is the Crazy Nephew.
The Pauls have been pretty much transparent about their beliefs. The Tea Party heard "less spending" and they were onboard, not really knowing (or maybe caring) what was cut, but it's not a surprise to hear it, really. Typical libertarian philosophy.
The TPers aren't wealthy people, by and large. These cuts would hurt them and their families terribly.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:19:08pm |
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Decider Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:19:56pm |
Ut oh...he said "transform". Beck will be all over that for a week.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:06pm |
re: #17 lawhawk
heritage and legacy don't affect the corporate bottom line, so...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:10pm |
re: #59 brennant
That is his natural color.
Oh ok. It's not rub in self-tanner, he's just drunk all of the time.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:21pm |
re: #7 darthstar
Love watching the SOTU. I won't be commenting though. I like to sit back and take it in uninterrupted.
Shhh!
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:21pm |
re: #45 jordash1212
I wish both the president and responder just improvised. Sadly, it's probably going to seem like Bachmann is doing just that by repeating the same tired lines.
You should have heard the wierdness she came out with this weekend on how the Founders didn't rest until slavery was banished.
What. The. Fuck.
The whole thing about the 3/5 compromise and the Civil War just flew right by her. I guess Ol' George Washington and John Adams just waved their hands and BAM! Slavery was gone, Ya know?
Chris Matthews has been going off about that non stop tonight.
She also said some amazing things about how race and beliefs didn't matter for settlers coming here in the past since we were all equal.
Unless, of course, you were Chinese, Irish, Slavic, Italian etc etc etc
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:31pm |
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:32pm |
re: #64 Decider
Ut oh...he said "transform". Beck will be all over that for a week.
Beck is going to tie those red stripes in the background to commies. No one tell him its an American flag.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:20:51pm |
re: #49 Kid A
C'mon, Boehner! I can see the glassiness in your eyes! Let 'em flow, brother!
That is the crystal meth, not the weepiness.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:21:02pm |
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:21:08pm |
re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal
Does Boehner look like a Tanqueray or a Bombay Sapphire kind of guy?
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:21:33pm |
This is a very effective setup to the main themes of the speech.
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:21:41pm |
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:22:30pm |
re: #77 charlz
[Applause]
Guys, I gotta confess something. I read 'applause' as 'applesauce' every time. It was horribly when Charles was posting about it.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:22:31pm |
re: #74 Kid A
Does Boehner look like a Tanqueray or a Bombay Sapphire kind of guy?
In a hillarious alternate world, he'd be a Thuderbird kind of guy!
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:22:31pm |
But that is going to cost a lot of tax money.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:22:44pm |
re: #17 lawhawk
I'm continuing to go through Paul's nonsensical attempt to cull $500 billion from the budget in one fiscal year. The whoppers keep coming up.
The NPS website indicates that their request for FY 2011 is actually below FY 2010 actual - $3.14 billion from $3.16 billion.
And the NPS stats from their site indicate a pretty significant increase in users in the past couple of years, and that's with an increase in user fees and national park fees that cover the shortfall at many parks.
The backlog in fixes needs to be addressed because this is the nation's heritage and legacy we're talking about.
Not that he seems to care much about any of it.
Yeah, Rand Paul and the rest of the TPers can go fuck themselves...
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:22:46pm |
re: #69 celticdragon
I am drinking only so I can make it through the response and the Tea Party response. Old Rasputin imperial stout!
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:23:05pm |
From watching Boehner, I see the game plan is to be respectful but very quiet.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:23:06pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:23:14pm |
re: #74 Kid A
Does Boehner look like a Tanqueray or a Bombay Sapphire kind of guy?
Johnny Walker Black Label.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:23:15pm |
OBAMA JUST SAID "REVOLUTION!!!!!" HEAR THAT BECK???!!!!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:23:41pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:23:52pm |
What-ya wana be when you grow up?A receptionist.
Better work hard. That shit is competitive these days.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:08pm |
re: #84 jordash1212
I am drinking only so I can make it through the response and the Tea Party response. Old Rasputin imperial stout!
I'm hitting a decent 12 year old single malt speyside scotch in a minute...
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:19pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:21pm |
re: #86 freetoken
From watching Boehner, I see the game plan is to be respectful but very quiet.
We've decided that he's drunk. If he jumps up to clap about something he might fall over or throw up.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:32pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:38pm |
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:24:48pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
He just seems a bit more catatonic than usual.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:01pm |
re: #95 moderatelyradicalliberal
Give him another drink, and maybe he'll dance.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:07pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:16pm |
All of you guys mentioning alcohol are making me really regret choosing today to be a sober day.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:31pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:34pm |
re: #78 Major Tom
'high brow' in here today.
Yeah, but this is the SOTU thread. These tend to to be a little snarky. It's an LGF tradition.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:36pm |
re: #81 Surabaya Stew
In a hillarious alternate world, he'd be a Thuderbird kind of guy!
No we've decided that the horrible Gellar woman is a Thunderbird kinda gal.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:41pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:46pm |
ZOMG!!! He wants to spend ours monies on science and stuffs!!!11ty
SOSHULST!!!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:25:52pm |
re: #87 moderatelyradicalliberal
LOL!
marvel as I discuss the relative merits of hop-forward Belgian tripel bottle conditioned beers
(in the end it's still beer)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:05pm |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
Space travel is socialism!
Nasa is pretty much one giant post office AMIRITE?
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brennant Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:11pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:11pm |
re: #107 moderatelyradicalliberal
No we've decided that the horrible Gellar woman is a Thunderbird kinda gal.
I think she's more of an oven cleaner kinda gal
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:18pm |
re: #104 Alexzander
Well don't watch the Tea Party response! You'll be begging for someone to pour that fifth of Kettle One down your throat.
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:29pm |
re: #107 moderatelyradicalliberal
No we've decided that the horrible Gellar woman is a Thunderbird kinda gal.
Isn't Thunderbird too good for the likes of her?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:34pm |
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:44pm |
re: #109 celticdragon
ZOMG!!! He wants to spend ours monies on science and stuffs!!!11ty
TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:26:50pm |
Anddddd the GOP is lost. Too sciency. Shouldn't we just being praying harder?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:01pm |
re: #118 jordash1212
Well don't watch the Tea Party response! You'll be begging for someone to pour that fifth of Kettle One down your throat.
KETEL dammit
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:10pm |
He's going to kill big coal and big oil! Oh noes!!!
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:19pm |
1 million electric vehicles by 2015... ok. End oil company subsidies.... Nice.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:24pm |
re: #104 Alexzander
All of you guys mentioning alcohol are making me really regret choosing today to be a sober day.
why would anyone have sober days?
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:27pm |
re: #115 WindUpBird
I think she's more of an oven cleaner kinda gal
That's more what she deserves to drink/inhale/inject.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:42pm |
Really? The republicans don't clap at taking back the tax breaks for big oil?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:44pm |
re: #119 Surabaya Stew
Isn't Thunderbird too good for the likes of her?
She thinks she's classy so she probably drinks it with her pinkie finger in the air.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:45pm |
re: #96 McSpiff
Private industry didn't go to the moon.
Or save the wetlands or national parks. Otherwise there'd be 0 green space on this continent.
Who is going to force us to find alternative fuel sources? The oil company? (LOL)
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:51pm |
re: #107 moderatelyradicalliberal
No we've decided that the horrible Gellar woman is a Thunderbird kinda gal.
Mad Dog.
For the discerning bum.
An intense chalky white with bright notes of lead and turpentine followed by a lingering, painful finish.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:53pm |
I thought he wasn't being specific tonight? This is pretty specific to me...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:55pm |
Republicans not applauding for clean energy.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:27:56pm |
re: #126 Gus 802
You know who else liked rockets don't you?!?!?11ty
V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:09pm |
urge away mr president... good luck with that one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:16pm |
re: #128 Major Tom
1 million electric vehicles by 2015... ok. End oil company subsidies... Nice.
Gives to me an electric 2000 lb hatchback with 200 horsepower and torque from the world go
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:19pm |
re: #92 Major Tom
Can you dictate innovation?
Yes, to a degree. But I don't think Obama is proposing that. He knows where he wants things to go, but I think he understands that how we get there is not always certain.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:20pm |
Well he lost Texas, but he never had us to begin with. The crowd is awfully subdued, its not coming across well.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:42pm |
re: #137 McSpiff
I thought he wasn't being specific tonight? This is pretty specific to me...
It is specific and it's a very bold proposal. I don't think he's serious.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:50pm |
re: #138 Charles
Republicans not applauding for clean energy.
Well, because their oil tycoon masters will see them on television applauding for clean energy
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:28:55pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:10pm |
re: #138 Charles
Republicans not applauding for clean energy.
Clean energy is heresy, clean energy is NWO agenda, clean energy is reliant on global warming hoax, clean energy is socialism.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:21pm |
re: #133 recusancy
Really? The republicans don't clap at taking back the tax breaks for big oil?
No of course not. They only want to take welfare away from the poor and minorities. They still want to keep the Old Boy Network intact.
Pay attention!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:26pm |
re: #149 jordash1212
Damn. I prefer beer anyways.
So do I! My point is, being an expert on beer doesn't matter so much as just enjoying beer :D
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:28pm |
re: #151 WindUpBird
Well, because their oil tycoon masters will see them on television applauding for clean energy
LOL
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:35pm |
re: #146 Jdorfma4
Well he lost Texas, but he never had us to begin with. The crowd is awfully subdued, its not coming across well.
Heh Texas isn't exactly in touch with this big,confusing modern world at times...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:41pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:29:46pm |
re: #139 freetoken
V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2 !!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!! V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!V2!!
"Once the rockets go up,
Who cares where they come down?
That's not my department",
Says Werner von Braun.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:30:03pm |
Oh don't tell parents how to do anything with there kids... You know the right wing loves that...
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lawhawk Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:30:15pm |
Big talk about alt-energy, but unless you reduce NIMBY, major projects aren't going to get off the ground - whether it's wind, solar, or nuclear, to say nothing of the transmission lines and upgraded infrastructure necessary to send the power where it's needed. And the time it takes to bring those projects to fruition adds needless costs and incentives to go with existing power generation methods.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:30:30pm |
re: #138 Charles
Republicans not applauding for clean energy.
Remeber those natural gas companies who pay their campaigns while they go "frakking" in deep shale beds and making sure the neighbors can light their tap water on fire?
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:30:53pm |
re: #153 000G
Both the GOP proposed budget, and the Bachmann budget too, attacked some ag subsidies, but left the oil and gas subsidies untouched.
Obama is putting the bargaining chip on the table.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:31:09pm |
re: #162 lawhawk
. And the time it takes to bring those projects to fruition adds needless costs and incentives to go with existing power generation methods.
How are those costs 'needless'?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:31:14pm |
re: #133 recusancy
Really? The republicans don't clap at taking back the tax breaks for big oil?
Why would they? They aren't about to support something that would threaten their paymasters. I sure won't support such a measure.
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:31:38pm |
re: #155 WindUpBird
Whatchu' drinking? I'm going to break out a Surly Coffee Bender after I finish this Old Rasputin.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:31:52pm |
re: #166 freetoken
I think I understand the freeze he's proposing, now. These cuts would allow that money to be spent elsewhere.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:02pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
Why would they? They aren't about to support something that would threaten their paymasters. I sure won't support such a measure.
D_F sticking with the GOP? Color me shocked ;-)
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:13pm |
Boehner looks like an evil villain just waiting to make a big strike.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:17pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:19pm |
re: #168 Dark_Falcon
Why would they? They aren't about to support something that would threaten their paymasters. I sure won't support such a measure.
Why not, since you understand AGW is real and threatens our nation?
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:21pm |
re: #162 lawhawk
Big talk about alt-energy, but unless you reduce NIMBY, major projects aren't going to get off the ground - whether it's wind, solar, or nuclear, to say nothing of the transmission lines and upgraded infrastructure necessary to send the power where it's needed. And the time it takes to bring those projects to fruition adds needless costs and incentives to go with existing power generation methods.
You can replace existing coal plants w/ nukes of the same size. Cooling ponds are there, transmission lines are there. Easy.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:47pm |
re: #178 Obdicut
Why not, since you understand AGW is real and threatens our nation?
GOP hasn't told him he's allowed to yet.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:32:57pm |
re: #166 freetoken
Obama is putting the bargaining chip on the table.
If he plays it smart, he will be able to let the GOP tear itself apart over their internal contradictions on the energy policy & subsidies issues.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:33:23pm |
re: #178 Obdicut
AGW has no political capital. It's an academic issue.
Real money has always been in resources (oil, coal, gas, land, minerals, metals, etc.) And, politics follows money.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:33:59pm |
re: #162 lawhawk
Big talk about alt-energy, but unless you reduce NIMBY, major projects aren't going to get off the ground - whether it's wind, solar, or nuclear, to say nothing of the transmission lines and upgraded infrastructure necessary to send the power where it's needed. And the time it takes to bring those projects to fruition adds needless costs and incentives to go with existing power generation methods.
The energy companies are getting incentives today to start advancing alternate fuels, mostly wind and solar. I'm not saying what you said isn't an issue, but the switch is already happening (including R&D).
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:34:03pm |
re: #173 Killgore Trout
There are gangs in Denver?
What do you suppose Walter does when he's not on LGF?
///
I kid, I kid!
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:34:17pm |
holy crap... he's getting standing ovations from all of them from this sitting together thing.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:34:17pm |
re: #162 lawhawk
Big talk about alt-energy, but unless you reduce NIMBY, major projects aren't going to get off the ground - whether it's wind, solar, or nuclear, to say nothing of the transmission lines and upgraded infrastructure necessary to send the power where it's needed. And the time it takes to bring those projects to fruition adds needless costs and incentives to go with existing power generation methods.
Exactly. The only way to allow rapid innovation would require a major reduction in local control.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:34:24pm |
re: #17 lawhawk
I'm continuing to go through Paul's nonsensical attempt to cull $500 billion from the budget in one fiscal year. The whoppers keep coming up.
The NPS website indicates that their request for FY 2011 is actually below FY 2010 actual - $3.14 billion from $3.16 billion.
And the NPS stats from their site indicate a pretty significant increase in users in the past couple of years, and that's with an increase in user fees and national park fees that cover the shortfall at many parks.
The backlog in fixes needs to be addressed because this is the nation's heritage and legacy we're talking about.
Not that he seems to care much about any of it.
I wonder if Rand and his ilk would be so gung-ho to cut the NPS budget (among others) if they realize that the NPS also staffs and maintains the nation's military parks (Shiloh, Gettysburg, Valley Forge, etc.). I'd bet they'd shit a brick...
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brennant Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:34:31pm |
State teaching jobs do not exist. At least not in WA.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:34:47pm |
Obama, would you please stop talking like a grown-up?
/
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:35:04pm |
re: #183 freetoken
AGW has no political capital. It's an academic issue.
Real money has always been in resources (oil, coal, gas, land, minerals, metals, etc.) And, politics follows money.
It'll get there. It has to. It's the straw that stirs the new heavy industry drink.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:35:11pm |
re: #192 brennant
Come to TX. They're pulling my mom out of retirement the pay is so good just to sub. They are desperate.
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:35:14pm |
That Bohner guy looks constipated.
And Biden is just sorta, yeah, dude, yeah....
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:35:27pm |
re: #183 freetoken
AGW has no political capital. It's an academic issue.
Real money has always been in resources (oil, coal, gas, land, minerals, metals, etc.) And, politics follows money.
One-dimensional. Lots of places with lots of ressources that stay poor. Also, politics is well capable of destroying wealth and committing long-term suicide (see Soviet Union).
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:35:37pm |
He keeps trying to sell the goodness of government... but I think a big chunk of his audience is not buying.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:35:52pm |
re: #184 austin_blue
Great line. Bust with the NEA.
We'll just see about that. What he says is good, but I doubt he'd actually cross the NEA this year or next. He needs their organization.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:05pm |
re: #191 talon_262
I wonder if Rand and his ilk would be so gung-ho to cut the NPS budget (among others) if they realize that the NPS also staffs and maintains the nation's military parks (Shiloh, Gettysburg, Valley Forge, etc.). I'd bet they'd shit a brick...
No. They would not. These sorts don't believe in spending for parks and preserving history. More profitable to have strip malls.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:11pm |
re: #199 000G
One-dimensional. Lots of places with lots of ressources that stay poor. Also, politics is well capable of destroying wealth and committing long-term suicide (see Soviet Union).
bingo!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:19pm |
re: #200 freetoken
He keeps trying to sell the goodness of government... but I think a big chunk of his audience is not buying.
They are government.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:21pm |
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Alexzander Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:43pm |
The US has no grounds on which to speak upon, when discussing affordable education.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:47pm |
wow, he's going for the DREAM act. How does he walk around with those giant balls. I love that.
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Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:36:57pm |
DREAM ACT!
(hi everyone, I'm a hard worker these days, had to listen in the car)
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brookly red Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:37:03pm |
re: #200 freetoken
He keeps trying to sell the goodness of government... but I think a big chunk of his audience is not buying.
you think ?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:37:05pm |
re: #200 freetoken
He keeps trying to sell the goodness of government... but I think a big chunk of his audience is not buying.
That's because those people don't agree with his basic assumption, and I'm one of them.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:37:24pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:37:30pm |
re: #210 Jdorfma4
wow, he's going for the DREAM act. How does he walk around with those giant balls. I love that.
I know. OMG. He's asking for a fight.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:37:49pm |
McCain is sitting next to Kerry. And he did applaud Obama on DREAM.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:38:01pm |
In all honesty, was Bush or Clinton EVER this brave in a SOTU to address such a politcally unpopular issue just because it was, you know, right?
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:38:31pm |
It's so funny how I can hear the right wing talking points before they are used... (shakes head)
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:38:35pm |
re: #223 Jdorfma4
In all honesty, was Bush or Clinton EVER this brave in a SOTU to address such a politcally unpopular issue just because it was, you know, right?
It's not politically unpopular.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:38:41pm |
re: #206 Decatur Deb
They are government.
"Government cannot work because we are incompetent and will sabotage those who aren't to make sure"
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:38:42pm |
This is probably a lot more combative than the GOP were expecting.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:38:59pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
McCain is sitting next to Kerry. And he did applaud Obama on DREAM.
I think he started clapping before he knew what he was clapping about.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:39:12pm |
re: #225 recusancy
I think it is at least controversial, and it gives the GOP the "he wants the immigants to take over" talking point on a silver platter.
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:39:20pm |
Just about all of Europe has better internet connections for much less than we do.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:39:39pm |
To all you fellow libs out there who voted for him, these are the same things he talked about on the campaign trail. His vision hasn't changed at all. All great things.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:39:48pm |
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:39:50pm |
the right wing regularly mock access to the internet as a right of any kind.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:39:54pm |
I've never been a fan of DREAM. I think it the thin edge of the wedge.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:09pm |
re: #230 Jdorfma4
I think it is at least controversial, and it gives the GOP the "he wants the immigants to take over" talking point on a silver platter.
It also excites the Latino part of his base. The man ain't dumb.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:13pm |
High speed rail is a no-brainer. We should have had a European-style rail system in this country years ago.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:21pm |
lo, anti-TSA jab
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:24pm |
re: #212 Stanley Sea
DREAM ACT!
(hi everyone, I'm a hard worker these days, had to listen in the car)
Hi!
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:39pm |
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:41pm |
re: #231 jordash1212
Just about all of Europe has better internet connections for much less than we do.
and China and Japan and.....
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:48pm |
High-speed rail is unlikely. It costs too much and Congress won't fund it.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:40:53pm |
re: #241 Lidane
I disagree... but it's too much to go into here, but I think we need local rail in cities before inter-city rail makes sense.
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:06pm |
This all sounds so rational and reasonable.
Too bad that when it's over it's going to go all crazy nutsville.
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:21pm |
re: #245 webevintage
I really want the 100mbit line into my house just like they do in Lithuania.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:30pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
High-speed rail is unlikely. It costs too much and Congress won't fund it.
States are working on it right now.
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:45pm |
re: #232 marjoriemoon
To all you fellow libs out there who voted for him, these are the same things he talked about on the campaign trail. His vision hasn't changed at all. All great things.
After the repeal of DADT, I'm an unwavering supporter. That's it.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:51pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
High-speed rail is unlikely. It costs too much and Congress won't fund it.
and they have it in Europe which means SOCIALISM!!!!!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:55pm |
Corporate tax rates and loopholes, yeeehaaaah!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:41:55pm |
re: #234 Major Tom
the right wing regularly mock access to the internet as a right of any kind.
That's because it isn't. Telecom is a service you pay for. You have no right to it.
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:14pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
High-speed rail is unlikely. It costs too much and Congress won't fund it.
You seriously argue that after billions on freeways??!
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:16pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
High-speed rail is unlikely. It costs too much and Congress won't fund it.
"For 85% of Americans". That's easy, it's just from FEMA camp to FEMA camp.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:17pm |
re: #254 prairiefire
Ditto. As a straight as an arrow man, I think its the civil rights issue of my generation.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:19pm |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
High-speed rail is unlikely. It costs too much and Congress won't fund it.
Actually, some is already set in motion.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:37pm |
re: #255 webevintage
and they have it in Europe which means SOCIALISM!!!
That's not what I was saying.
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Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:52pm |
re: #251 freetoken
Yup.
Plus you know what happens. You end up with a "transportation" bill on your desk an 90 percent of it is for highway project and barely anything for rail or LRT.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:42:59pm |
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:43:06pm |
Look on the positive - at least no one has shouted "liar".
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:43:41pm |
re: #224 Major Tom
That's because they are the same damn talking points each and every time.
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Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:00pm |
re: #268 freetoken
Look on the positive - at least no one has shouted "liar".
Who was the dude reading papers?
....maybe it was the transcript....
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:04pm |
re: #265 Major Tom
yet.
Telecom should not be a right. It's a service, that should remain private and mostly limited by ability to pay.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:18pm |
re: #270 dragonfire1981
I also read there crap more than I should.
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brookly red Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:25pm |
re: #268 freetoken
Look on the positive - at least no one has shouted "liar".
no they just stayed home...
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celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:30pm |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
That's because it isn't. Telecom is a service you pay for. You have no right to it.
It is mandatory for equal education in this age, if you haven't noticed.When the fuck did we get okay with the idea that kids in a theird world nation can get better technology in the classrooms then our kids get?
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:43pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:46pm |
Is Boehner like the George Hamilton of the Congress?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:44:50pm |
Haha, nobody really liked the credit card rules… I can understand why.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:18pm |
Health care gag, nice.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:24pm |
If Obama wants to stick it in the credit card companies' asses all night, I'll bring the wine and playing cards.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:26pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
In all honesty, why should Telecom differ from roads? Both are required for life in modern America, yet only one is (largely) free. Sometimes some things become too important to be limited to the rich.
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:33pm |
"oh, no, don't throw me into that briar patch!"
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:37pm |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
That's because it isn't. Telecom is a service you pay for. You have no right to it.
we've subsidized telecom for generations now. broadband is just a new type of it.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:42pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Telecom should not be a right. It's a service, that should remain private and mostly limited by ability to pay.
Like safe drinking water.
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jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:45:50pm |
Oh man he's really putting everything out in the open. I love it!
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:15pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Telecom should not be a right. It's a service, that should remain private and mostly limited by ability to pay.
So poor people's kids shouldn't be able to do homework at home? They should have to go to a library and wait in line for limited-time computer use during open hours?
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:16pm |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
That's because it isn't. Telecom is a service you pay for. You have no right to it.
You know that we subsidized rural electricity, right? Do you think that was a mistake?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:21pm |
No applause from Beohner on rep existing conditions.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:23pm |
re: #279 celticdragon
It is mandatory for equal education in this age, if you haven't noticed.When the fuck did we get okay with the idea that kids in a theird world nation can get better technology in the classrooms then our kids get?
I'm fine with it in schools. But I don't want to pay for some else's home internet access.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:24pm |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
That's because it isn't. Telecom is a service you pay for. You have no right to it.
Tell that to those who got access to electricity during the Tennessee Valley electrification in the 30s...
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:29pm |
re: #287 Jdorfma4
In all honesty, why should Telecom differ from roads? Both are required for life in modern America, yet only one is (largely) free. Sometimes some things become too important to be limited to the rich.
Exactly. High-speed internet is mandatory these days. Period. We should have near universal infrastructure in this country to support it.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:50pm |
re: #300 Dark_Falcon
I'm fine with it in schools. But I don't want to pay for some else's home internet access.
What if it benefits you to do so?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:55pm |
re: #297 sagehen
So poor people's kids shouldn't be able to do homework at home? They should have to go to a library and wait in line for limited-time computer use during open hours?
Yes, they should.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:46:56pm |
re: #300 Dark_Falcon
I'm fine with it in schools. But I don't want to pay for some else's home internet access.
What about home schoolers????
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:10pm |
re: #303 Jadespring
Of course, to be consistent, the other side could just agree that all govt funding for roads etc. ought to be cut.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:19pm |
Oh my, health care. I think the President might actually be itching to have whatever fight the GOP is spoiling for.
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Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:21pm |
re: #300 Dark_Falcon
I'm fine with it in schools. But I don't want to pay for some else's home internet access.
I don't think that's what he meant.
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:36pm |
re: #309 moderatelyradicalliberal
Oh my, health care. I think the President might actually be itching to have whatever fight the GOP is spoiling for.
I think he is.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:38pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
Yes, they should.
That would require spending money on public libraries, which the GOP doesn't want to do, since they're socialist and all.
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:44pm |
Serve to the R's on health care. Now the deficit...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:47:49pm |
re: #299 Killgore Trout
No applause from Beohner on rep existing conditions.
Watching John Boehner is like seeing the Republican Party's puppet masters at work. He's signaling to the conservatives how to react.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:02pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:02pm |
re: #304 Obdicut
What if it benefits you to do so?
I don't care. I view at as unacceptable and socialistic. I'm willing to take hits to keep government cut back.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:13pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
Yes, they should.
And are you also going to object to increase funding for expanding library hours, or the number of computer stations there?
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:35pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
No offense, but you're willing to hit poor people to keep government in check...
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:49pm |
re: #300 Dark_Falcon
I'm fine with it in schools. But I don't want to pay for some else's home internet access.
That's not what he meant.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:50pm |
Michele Bachmann is giving Obama the Stepford Wives Stare.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:54pm |
re: #315 Charles
Interesting tie color selection by him... it does clash a bit with his skin color though...
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:57pm |
re: #152 celticdragon
Huffing Methyl Ethel Keytone...
you should be using MPK now instead of MEK.... just saying ;)
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:58pm |
There she is! The history professor!!!! Hi, Professor Bachmann!!!!
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jaunte Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:48:59pm |
And when Eisenhower was President, the top marginal tax rate was....
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:00pm |
re: #315 Charles
Watching John Boehner is like seeing the Republican Party's puppet masters at work. He's signaling to the conservatives how to react.
To be honest, before him Pelosi had that job for the Democratic Party.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:04pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
I don't care. I view at as unacceptable and socialistic. I'm willing to take hits to keep government cut back.
But you wouldn't take the hit. Poor kids would.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:22pm |
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:23pm |
re: #305 Dark_Falcon
You're missing a sarc tag there, Dark...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:27pm |
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:50pm |
Either Boehners hands are broken or he really hates this speech.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:49:55pm |
re: #330 moderatelyradicalliberal
But you wouldn't take the hit. Poor kids would.
They should have chosen to be born to wealthier families.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:50:05pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
I don't care. I view at as unacceptable and socialistic. I'm willing to take hits to keep government cut back.
Again, Dark, that isn't what 'socialism' means. Words have a meaning. Using them to describe things that they don't apply to destroys the way that we communicate.
Do you think rural electrification was a mistake? And the highway system?
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:50:08pm |
Vulnerable citizens?
Fuck 'em. See the Texas budget.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:50:27pm |
re: #326 Ericus58
you should be using MPK now instead of MEK... just saying ;)
If you want to remove stains, you use methly ethly ketone peroxide.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:50:40pm |
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:51:17pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
What do you think he meant?
He meant infrastructure, like the lines and such. So that people can get access to it. Not pay for every household to actually connect.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:51:49pm |
Did someone just boo after he mentioned frivolous lawsuits?
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ProBosniaLiberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:03pm |
re: #337 Obdicut
What DF is objecting to is better called Social Democracy.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:05pm |
re: #334 dragonfire1981
Either Boehners hands are broken or he really hates this speech.
He was arrogant enought to think that the president had been neutered by the 2010 election. You would think he would know better after he out maneuvered him during the lame duck session.
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:07pm |
Trial lawyers get fucked! Gah! From a Dem?!?!?!?
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:39pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
What do you think he meant?
Fiber optic cables. The wiring and infrastructure needed to give everyone in this country immediate access to high speed internet, just like other countries have done. That's what he meant.
It's no different than investing in roads and bridges.
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:42pm |
re: #257 Dark_Falcon
That's because it isn't. Telecom is a service you pay for. You have no right to it.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:53pm |
Uh oh. Tax cuts for the rich!
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charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:52:55pm |
re: #330 moderatelyradicalliberal
But you wouldn't take the hit. Poor kids would.
In fact most subsidies come from your telephone bill -- the universal service surcharge. billions that the Congress doesn't actually have to vote on. and over time it becomes bloated and inefficient because it gets so little oversight.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:53:18pm |
re: #334 dragonfire1981
Either Boehners hands are broken or he really hates this speech.
The best he was able to do is to keep the crowd from shouting "liar". Asking for anything more is asking too much.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:53:48pm |
re: #333 Dark_Falcon
What do you think he meant?
A level playing field...like it or not, Internet access has become a necessity for education and commerce. Making it available at reasonable costs for everyone should be a no-brainer.
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:53:52pm |
Bang! That's the point. And simplifying the tax code on the way. Woo Hoo!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:54:34pm |
re: #345 Jadespring
He meant infrastructure, like the lines and such. So that people can get access to it. Not pay for every household to actually connect.
That I might support.
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:54:49pm |
He's brilliant like this. At his best really.
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Political Atheist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:02pm |
re: #367 austin_blue
Simplifying the tax code may be the least likely proposal to get through.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:03pm |
"We can't win the future with a government of the past."
Amen to that. It doesn't help when the people getting elected to government want to send us back to the Dark Ages.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:05pm |
Weird pause after the "smoked" gag.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:08pm |
Obama is hitting it out the park..He has faced every question with an answer..He has not faltered
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:08pm |
more jokes my dad makes. I love that, he needs to show that humor and gentle cleverness more
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:43pm |
Someone peed in Eric Cantor's cornflakes :(
| 381 |
steve_davis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:45pm |
"Furthermore, I'm asking that we make a bipartisan effort to get John Boehner dried out, because the man's four feet behind me, and I can definitely tell he's gotten into the janitorial closet's supply of Toilet Duck again...."
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Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:51pm |
re: #379 freetoken
Well if not for that then something else.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:55:59pm |
re: #352 ProLifeLiberal
What DF is objecting to is better called Social Democracy.
Thank you, that's a good way to put it.
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:05pm |
Again, whoa. A lot of bureaucratic oxes are going to get gored.
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:10pm |
I think Boehner is about to cry because he realizes that Obama will be president for the next six years.
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freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:21pm |
"FAITH"??
"FAITH IN GOVERNMENT"?!
IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!
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Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:27pm |
re: #379 freetoken
And they hate him for it.
You note our missing lizards? That shows a lot to me. Good speech.
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brennant Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:41pm |
re: #381 steve_davis
"Furthermore, I'm asking that we make a bipartisan effort to get John Boehner dried out, because the man's four feet behind me, and I can definitely tell he's gotten into the janitorial closet's supply of Toilet Duck again..."
Lmao!!!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:56:54pm |
re: #367 austin_blue
Bang! That's the point. And simplifying the tax code on the way. Woo Hoo!
Don't bet on that one. That one will be a lobbyist feeding frenzy.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:04pm |
Heh.
Then there's my favorite example: the Interior Department is in charge of salmon while they're in fresh water, but the Commerce Department handles them in when they're in saltwater. And I hear it gets even more complicated once they're smoked.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:10pm |
re: #388 Stanley Sea
You note our missing lizards? That shows a lot to me. Good speech.
Who's missing?
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Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:23pm |
Vetoing earmarks. He just stole the GOPs lunch money. Where's that Rahm kid?
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Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:28pm |
re: #387 freetoken
"FAITH"??
"FAITH IN GOVERNMENT"?!
IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!! IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!! IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!IDOLATER!!
I just heard a high frequency tone!
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:30pm |
I'm not sure congress can function withoiut earmarks.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:34pm |
re: #390 Kid A
Sit down, McCain. You look like a twit.
Leave him alone. He's not doing anything wrong.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:57:54pm |
re: #396 Decatur Deb
Vetoing earmarks. He just stole the GOPs lunch money. Where's that Rahm kid?
Trying to get back on the ballot in Chicago.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:00pm |
Is that Walter I see hiding in the corner??
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Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:03pm |
re: #385 Kid A
I think Boehner is about to cry because he realizes that Obama will be president for the next six years.
Reminds me of how Bill Clinton's "The era of Big Government is over" in his 1996 SOTU sealed the upcoming election for him.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:21pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:23pm |
re: #396 Decatur Deb
Vetoing earmarks. He just stole the GOPs lunch money. Where's that Rahm kid?
Buying a house in Chicago.
//
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:32pm |
re: #401 marjoriemoon
Is that Walter I see hiding in the corner??
Who's hiding... I'm listening to the speech.
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dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:34pm |
I bet the right wing is going to go nuts on that "reorganizing government" remark.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:42pm |
re: #396 Decatur Deb
Vetoing earmarks. He just stole the GOPs lunch money. Where's that Rahm kid?
No, he just agreed with the GOP. So, both sides won. No earmarks = everybody wins but the lobbyists.
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:58:43pm |
"Left with their heads held high." Not my Viet Nam, dude.
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What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:07pm |
re: #406 Walter L. Newton
Who's hiding... I'm listening to the speech.
hey hey! Welcome home! I won't bug you, but just wanted to say Hey Hey! Hope you had a good trip.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:16pm |
re: #407 dragonfire1981
I bet the right wing is going to go nuts on that "reorganizing government" remark.
ACORN- Soros - fascism!
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:23pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
No, he just agreed with the GOP. So, both sides won. No earmarks = everybody wins but the lobbyists.
Actually, the GOP wasn't serious about getting rid of earmarks. As soon as they said it, they started making exceptions.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:24pm |
re: #402 Surabaya Stew
Reminds me of how Bill Clinton's "The era of Big Government is over" in his 1996 SOTU sealed the upcoming election for him.
Boehner and the rest of the GOP have conveniently forgotten that this guy ran circles around the vaunted Clinton machine. Underestimating him is a bad thing.
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Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:25pm |
So, what to you Joint Chiefs do?
Well, we sit around a secret office in the Pentagon and smoke joints.
//
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:27pm |
re: #402 Surabaya Stew
Though that phrase "Era of big government is over" looks pretty silly fifteen years later.
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deadletterboy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 6:59:31pm |
re: #407 dragonfire1981
Yeah, I'm amazed I didn't hear yells of socialism after that one. We'll be hearing a lot of dog whistles in the next few days.
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:07pm |
A real world example of the telecom internet issue. I live in a high speed deficient area. I can't hook up to high speed except through a stick or a satellite so it's still not 'fast'. Better then dial up but not a good as a good highspeed. It's also cost a lot of money and severally limits my access to all things net. Streaming this speech would cost me a whack of money.
My part of the county along with a couple of other areas has been cited for upgrades so that highspeed will be available to all households in the area. The gov't has a fund which part of that money will come from. So if it ever actually gets done then I will be able to hook up to the type of net connection that most people in urban areas have. I will pay monthly for that connection.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:10pm |
re: #407 dragonfire1981
I bet the right wing is going to go nuts on that "reorganizing government" remark.
No reason to. Just answer with a Republican plan to do that. Frankly, I'm sure the GOP could come up with a good one.
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zora Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:12pm |
american muslims are a part of our american family. word.
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TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:13pm |
re: #415 Gus 802
So, what to you Joint Chiefs do?
Well, we sit around a secret office in the Pentagon and smoke joints.
//
Wearing Indian headdresses...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:26pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
No, he just agreed with the GOP. So, both sides won. No earmarks = everybody wins but the lobbyists.
Bullshit. He called the GOP's bluff. They've been dancing about earmarks and where just planning on calling them something else.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:36pm |
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HoosierHoops Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:52pm |
Thank you Obama for talking about the sacrifice of our brave soldiers in Iraq
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:53pm |
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
No reason to. Just answer with a Republican plan to do that. Frankly, I'm sure the GOP could come up with a good one.
Name the last good plan the GOP came up with for anything.
Go.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:00:56pm |
I'm enjoying this "enhanced" version of the speech at whitehouse.gov (with graphs, photos, etc)
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deadletterboy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:07pm |
re: #430 000G
To paraphrase, "American Muslims are part of our American family"
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Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:09pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:15pm |
re: #418 Killgore Trout
Pam just shit herself.
Q: Why did Pam shit herself?
A: Because its Tuesday. >:D
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:18pm |
re: #416 Kid A
Though that phrase "Era of big government is over" looks pretty silly fifteen years later.
Especially, after 8 years of Bush.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:24pm |
Can anyone explain to me why Obama pronounces the "-tan" suffix in Afghanistan and Pakistan differently?
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:26pm |
Should've never been there to begin with, but Obama didn't start those wars. Get 'em out, sir.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:37pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:01:55pm |
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Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:01pm |
re: #438 moderatelyradicalliberal
Tripled under Bush. Some conservative he was.
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austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:12pm |
My goodness. This is a very g presentation! Here comes North Korea and Iran.
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Ericus58 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:12pm |
re: #388 Stanley Sea
You note our missing lizards? That shows a lot to me. Good speech.
Now, don't be mean - everyone has their lives to live and the demands might not allow it. I'm here because a prior engagement fell through.
Can I sit with you? I'll share my flask!
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:12pm |
re: #439 000G
Can anyone explain to me why Obama pronounces the "-tan" suffix in Afghanistan and Pakistan differently?
Because he tries to pronounce things correctly.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:16pm |
re: #423 Jadespring
Serious question. Not trying to be a poo poo head.
How much should the government spend trying to get a high speed internets connection to your house?
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:31pm |
re: #439 000G
Can anyone explain to me why Obama pronounces the "-tan" suffix in Afghanistan and Pakistan differently?
dunno, but my Pakistani coworker oes the same thing and something different for Taliban (like Obama). Maybe its the equivaent of to, two, and too.
| 451 |
TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:40pm |
re: #414 Lidane
Boehner and the rest of the GOP have conveniently forgotten that this guy ran circles around the vaunted Clinton machine. Underestimating him is a bad thing.
At the GOP's peril...
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:02:59pm |
| 455 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:03:06pm |
re: #439 000G
Can anyone explain to me why Obama pronounces the "-tan" suffix in Afghanistan and Pakistan differently?
Because that's how it's pronounced by those countries.
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prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:03:08pm |
Walter, come sit by me for bipartisanship.
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Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:03:14pm |
re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Serious question. Not trying to be a poo poo head.
How much should the government spend trying to get a high speed internets connection to your house?
As much as they did elctricity and roads. You're late :)
| 458 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:03:24pm |
re: #439 000G
Can anyone explain to me why Obama pronounces the "-tan" suffix in Afghanistan and Pakistan differently?
Because he's seekrit Jeehadi!
/ Just kidding, He lived there as a kid and probably picked up some odd pronunciation habits
| 459 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:03:45pm |
re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
How much should the government spend trying to get a high speed internets connection to your house?
Good question. IMO very little ought to be spent. Rather, go after the monopolistic practices of the cable companies.
| 460 |
celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:04:03pm |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
ACORN- Soros - fascism!
You left out that 78 year old poly sci professor: Francis Fox Priven.
Beck thinks she is the Dr Doom that assassinated the Russian royal family, screwed Pol Pot every night and told Hitler that Jews were the sekrit rulers of the underworld beneath his bed.
| 461 |
Virginia Plain Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:04:04pm |
re: #458 Killgore Trout
Because he's seekrit Jeehadi!
/ Just kidding, He lived there as a kid and probably picked up some odd pronunciation habits
No, that's the correct way to pronounce Pakistan, and Taliban. The rest of the world also pronounces it the same way.
| 462 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:04:08pm |
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
No reason to. Just answer with a Republican plan to do that. Frankly, I'm sure the GOP could come up with a good one.
You mean like they came up with one when they they controlled the White House and both chambers in Congress after the midterm election of 2002? They had their shot and didn't take. There is no evidence that they have any ideas to do it now. NONE.
| 463 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:04:15pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:04:21pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
The surge in Iraq.
That wasn't the GOP. That was Bush. And analyzing the results of military tactics is always a 'Well, it coulda' situation.
But sure, I'll grant you the Surge.
Now name a domestic policy that the GOP came up with that was any good. In recent memory.
| 466 |
jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:04:32pm |
re: #454 000G
As if there wasn't enough in his Cairo speech.
| 467 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:05:00pm |
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:05:14pm |
re: #455 sagehen
Because that's how it's pronounced by those countries.
Countries do not pronounce, languages do.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:05:19pm |
re: #432 Obdicut
Name the last good plan the GOP came up with for anything.
Go.
President Nixon. EPA. OSHA. Affirmative Action. Title IX. Opening relations with China. (And his health care plan, but that didn't pass)
Also... Bush the Elder knew how to do a war -- objectives that could be described in 25 words or less, take 100 other countries with you to do it, get half a dozen who don't send troops to help pay for it, get the job done in under six months and come home,
| 471 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:05:48pm |
I suspect I'm in the minority, but I honestly don't think this was a home run speech. It's a good speech, but it's missing something. It just doesn't feel quite as tight as I expect.
The points on alternative energy were good, and he's made some good points. Ok, I think i've figured it out. This speech isn't going to change the political landscape, and at best it's going to set the framework to score later.
It's like it's a single. It's a hit but it didn't win the game. And I keep thinking 'he's going to hit it out and everythings going to be great.' but this isn't that speech. This is all about 3 months and 6 months down the road.
| 472 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:06:10pm |
re: #459 freetoken
Good question. IMO very little ought to be spent. Rather, go after the monopolistic practices of the cable companies.
Free up the monopoly and Joe's Cable Company still ain't gonna string up 50,000.00 worth of cable to get 39.99 a month out of Jade.
| 473 |
charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:06:11pm |
re: #423 Jadespring
The gov't has a fund which part of that money will come from. So if it ever actually gets done then I will be able to hook up to the type of net connection that most people in urban areas have. I will pay monthly for that connection.
Broadband Technology Opportunities Program -- BTOP
| 475 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:06:14pm |
re: #469 sagehen
Yep. These days, the GOP would scream that Nixon was a socialist.
| 476 |
Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:06:14pm |
re: #470 Stanley Sea
Not yet.
its a live event, he may not want to stir that pot and piss off a key ally.
| 477 |
Velvet Elvis Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:06:15pm |
re: #458 Killgore Trout
Because he's seekrit Jeehadi!
/ Just kidding, He lived there as a kid and probably picked up some odd pronunciation habits
He had a Pakistani roommate in college and learned the proper pronunciation.
| 480 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:06:40pm |
re: #471 bloodstar
It does seem to be more about defining the boundaries of the compromise process than a visionary speech.
| 482 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:01pm |
re: #471 bloodstar
"Out of the park" is just not the nature of SOTU. He did that in Tucson.
| 483 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:03pm |
re: #329 000G
To be honest, before him Pelosi had that job for the Democratic Party.
SHe looked better while she was doing it.
| 484 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:04pm |
re: #423 Jadespring
A real world example of the telecom internet issue. I live in a high speed deficient area. I can't hook up to high speed except through a stick or a satellite so it's still not 'fast'. Better then dial up but not a good as a good highspeed. It's also cost a lot of money and severally limits my access to all things net. Streaming this speech would cost me a whack of money.
My part of the county along with a couple of other areas has been cited for upgrades so that highspeed will be available to all households in the area. The gov't has a fund which part of that money will come from. So if it ever actually gets done then I will be able to hook up to the type of net connection that most people in urban areas have. I will pay monthly for that connection.
Of course the problem then is making sure the company that gets that money which doled out by a state board actually uses the money to upgrade their rural areas.
Feel the pain of Snowball, AR.
[Link: www.arktimes.com...]
| 485 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:11pm |
Thank you for the part about ROTC, Mr. President.
| 486 |
TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:12pm |
re: #475 Obdicut
Yep. These days, the GOP would scream that Nixon was a socialist.
Hell, they've already thrown Lincoln, one of our greatest Presidents, under the bus...
| 487 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:15pm |
Holy hell! Free up the colleges to ROTC! Woo hoo!
| 488 |
recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:25pm |
re: #477 Conservative Moonbat
He had a Pakistani roommate in college and learned the proper pronunciation.
His mom lived there for a while.
| 489 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:39pm |
God help me, but is this speech, kind of, well, fun?
I mean, it's got flow, he is interspersing the wonk stuff with the emotional stuff, and he is hitting every high point.
Oh, boom, there's the gay thing, perfectly timed.
This is really good.
And follows it with ROTC at Harvard.
Sweet!
| 490 |
dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:39pm |
And the old military guys are like "wait, what did he just say???"
| 491 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:07:54pm |
re: #334 dragonfire1981
Either Boehners hands are broken or he really hates this speech.
Year before last, Pelosi was reading the program. Boehner is at least looking at him.
Biden looks so proud. It's adorable.
| 492 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:08:00pm |
re: #483 SanFranciscoZionist
SHe looked better while she was doing it.
I could hardly tell, she was jumping out of camera focus so often.
| 494 |
celticdragon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:08:15pm |
re: #465 Killgore Trout
Tunisia? No mention of Egypt?
That would be stupid. Anything he says could backfire badly.
| 495 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:08:24pm |
re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In rural areas there will not be the density of subscribers to make low cost internet profitable for companies, so perhaps the gov't could subsidize there.
But in a city like where I am, for Cox to charge me $45/mo for high speed internet is simply a function of their exclusive access to the property in which I now sit.
| 496 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:08:37pm |
He's a great speaker. No doubt.
Sounds just about like every other SOTU speech.
The smoked salmon joked made me laugh out loud though.
| 499 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:08:50pm |
re: #465 Killgore Trout
Tunisia? No mention of Egypt?
Egypt is a different case. To bring it up might weaken Mubarak, and that would be a bad idea.
| 500 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:08:52pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
The surge in Iraq.
Bush cleaning up a mess he started doesn't count. That's why McCain didn't get any traction with it during the 2008 campaign.
| 501 |
jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:09:00pm |
Don't think he isn't looking at Egypt when he just said that bit about central government and authoritarianism.
| 502 |
prairiefire Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:09:00pm |
He's definitely pushing a bit more emotion in his voice.
| 503 |
Major Tom Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:09:02pm |
Probably should have addressed the Space Program.
| 504 |
Ericus58 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:09:18pm |
re: #485 Dark_Falcon
Thank you for the part about ROTC, Mr. President.
My Son I'm sure appreciates being given a shout-out.
| 506 |
Jdorfma4 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:09:39pm |
re: #500 moderatelyradicalliberal
Bush cleaning up a mess he started doesn't count. That's why McCain didn't get any traction with it during the 2008 campaign.
As a liberal, I'll be the first to admit the surge was right The war was wrong, but the surge was the right answer given the situation.
| 510 |
Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:09:57pm |
This is a good speech, but it's a little long for my taste. But, hey, it's the president's night to shine, so who am I to bitch.
| 514 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:10:04pm |
The Personal Dream summation. Oh, and gives Boehner a blow job!
| 515 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:10:27pm |
Good plugs for Biden and Boehner. Very good touch.
| 516 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:10:36pm |
re: #510 Kid A
His speeches will never be as long as Clinton's were.
| 517 |
Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:10:36pm |
re: #447 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Serious question. Not trying to be a poo poo head.
How much should the government spend trying to get a high speed internets connection to your house?
I'm not sure how much they pledged. But the way they look at it, it is an economic and productiveness issue. It's not just households but businesses and in my area rural businesses. Trying to run a business these days with just dial-up puts areas at an economic disadvantage and impedes access not just to information but pretty much anything. It also means that business in other areas that use the net don't have access to those deficient markets whether a household or a business.
| 518 |
Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:10:53pm |
re: #480 freetoken
It does seem to be more about defining the boundaries of the compromise process than a visionary speech.
re: #482 Decatur Deb
"Out of the park" is just not the nature of SOTU. He did that in Tucson.
I think that's a big part of it. The Tucson speech was absolutely amazing, and this one is honestly pedestrian. Thought he closing is picking things up a bit.
I do like him giving shout outs to Boehner and Biden though, that was a nice touch. to point out what American can be
| 519 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:11:00pm |
Wait, his hair looks gray again. What gives?
/conspiracy11ty
| 520 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:11:13pm |
re: #495 freetoken
I called my cable company to cancel my internets to go to dsl. I don't game or download music. They reduced my "high speed" speed and cut my bill to 17.00 per month.
It's noticeable. But, not a big freakin' deal. I have Cox too.
| 523 |
Kid A Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:11:44pm |
re: #519 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm still a little new here, but what is the 11ty that I see around here quite a bit?
| 524 |
TedStriker Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:12:09pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:12:10pm |
re: #505 freetoken
I'd hate to be sitting in either of those chairs. Nose itches; you scratch?
Holy hell!
| 526 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:12:11pm |
Using the Chilean mine situation to illustrate his point is a good way to relate his theme. Good rhetoric touch.
| 527 |
recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:12:22pm |
re: #523 Kid A
I'm still a little new here, but what is the 11ty that I see around here quite a bit?
eleventy -- sarcastic enthusiasm
| 529 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:12:28pm |
| 530 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:13:02pm |
Oh, this is just so smart an ending.
Rebut Bachmann!
| 531 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:13:18pm |
Posted on a friend's FB about all the standing ovations and applause: "I keep waiting for Obama to say "STFU and let me talk, shit."
Heh.
| 532 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:13:21pm |
I wish the throne speech in Canada was this good
| 533 |
Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:13:28pm |
re: #523 Kid A
I'm still a little new here, but what is the 11ty that I see around here quite a bit?
[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]
| 534 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:13:42pm |
re: #524 talon_262
Boehner knows he (and the TPGOP) is boned...
It's a speech. It's not a decisive action. Nobody has won anything yet. That said it was a fairly good speech.
| 537 |
jordash1212 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:14:13pm |
He just threw down on that handshake.
"Damn I nailed that speech!"
| 538 |
Surabaya Stew Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:14:15pm |
Allright Lazards, that was a great speach, but now I've got to leave work after over 13 hours! Have fun....
| 540 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:14:30pm |
Hm:
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]
[Link: www.merriam-webster.com...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The -stan sounds about the same to me. Of course, that's English (which is an official language in Pakistan, though), pronounciation for Dari (Persian), Pashto, Balochi, Punjabi, Saraiki, Sindhi, et al may differ…
| 541 |
Decider Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:14:32pm |
Now on to Michele Bachman to tell us American Exceptionalism is Socialism.
| 543 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:14:42pm |
| 545 |
Ericus58 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:15:08pm |
I wonder if it's possible to find out where my Rep's/Senator's sat and with who around them?
| 546 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:15:27pm |
I pretty much missed the whole thing. Meh.
I hope someone will archive Bachmann's rebuttal so I may mock it at my leisure.
| 547 |
recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:15:27pm |
God it's depressing listening to the after analysis.
| 549 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:16:30pm |
whitehouse.gov now has question period, by some of the president's economic and national security team.
| 551 |
ProBosniaLiberal Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:16:31pm |
re: #541 Decider
I do think America is very awesome, but let me state that Canada is just as awesome.
| 553 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:17:15pm |
re: #551 ProLifeLiberal
Pfft! Commie.
///
| 554 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:17:16pm |
re: #551 ProLifeLiberal
I do think America is very awesome, but let me state that Canada is just as awesome.
Well said.
| 555 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:17:25pm |
re: #551 ProLifeLiberal
I do think America is very awesome, but let me state that Canada is just as awesome.
Not in January/February.
| 556 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:17:46pm |
For a bit here, I'll just read some comments.
I've got to tell you that that was the most entertaining SOTU speech I have seen in twenty years. It blew away his speech last year.
| 557 |
Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:18:21pm |
re: #520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I called my cable company to cancel my internets to go to dsl. I don't game or download music. They reduced my "high speed" speed and cut my bill to 17.00 per month.
It's noticeable. But, not a big freakin' deal. I have Cox too.
Right now my net bill generally runs over 200 bucks a month.
When I start going full bore with the business it could be closer to 300 or more.
| 558 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:18:37pm |
re: #556 austin_blue
Better than usual. I think he likes playing to a frigid audience.
| 560 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:19:08pm |
re: #542 freetoken
Is there a link to the live "rebuttal"?
Paul Ryan goes first. Bachmann's not going to directly step on his speech.
| 561 |
charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:19:20pm |
re: #549 sagehen
whitehouse.gov now has question period, by some of the president's economic and national security team.
can't get through -- they must be getting pounded with http requests
| 563 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:19:47pm |
On Twitter:
@RepWeiner: Wow, what a speech. He even did a lox gag.
hahahahaha
I liked the mixing of the parties in the audience.
| 564 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:19:49pm |
re: #560 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan goes first. Bachmann's not going to directly step on his speech.
Nah. She's just going to be the last thing anyone remembers as far as rebuttals go.
| 565 |
Mark Winter Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:20:13pm |
Excellent speech from the Earth.
Rebuttal from Mars to follow
| 566 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:20:24pm |
re: #560 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan goes first. Bachmann's not going to directly step on his speech.
I really wish she would. The split can't happen soon enough for me.
| 567 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:20:25pm |
re: #551 ProLifeLiberal
I do think America is very awesome, but let me state that Canada is just as awesome.
Even though you people have a Nazi single payer system which, according to every shill of the American insurance system is either Communistic or a Socialist plot? How do feel about that?
| 568 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:20:31pm |
re: #563 webevintage
On Twitter:
@RepWeiner: Wow, what a speech. He even did a lox gag.hahahahaha
I liked the mixing of the parties in the audience.
Damn it! I forgot to load twitter! lol
| 569 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:21:08pm |
re: #558 freetoken
Better than usual. I think he likes playing to a frigid audience.
And it was effective!
| 570 |
dragonfire1981 Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:21:38pm |
On fox news Charles krauthammer just slammed the speech as one oft Obama weakest and said he didn't adequately address the American peoples rejection of his agenda by way of the GOP election domination.
| 571 |
charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:21:41pm |
re: #556 austin_blue
I've got to tell you that that was the most entertaining SOTU speech I have seen in twenty years. It blew away his speech last year.
i think the biggest difference was the relative lack of scripted applause lines where half the chamber stood and clapped and the other half sat on their hands.
| 572 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:00pm |
PIERS MORGAN?
CNN is a fucking ratings channel.
I'm switching. He's an entertainment reporter from England. Holy shit.
| 573 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:16pm |
re: #569 austin_blue
It wasn't a home run though... not that I would expect a SOTU speech to be really powerful. It is, after all, supposed to be a report to Congress on what the gov't is doing/will do.
| 574 |
Decider Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:16pm |
Fox News is having a hard time bashing it but they are giving it the ole Fox-try.
| 575 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:25pm |
re: #562 freetoken
linky?
I read it on CNN. And both CNN and Fox News have bottom banners saying they're awaiting the GOP response. They'd say "Tea Party" if they meant Bachmann.
| 577 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:40pm |
re: #570 dragonfire1981
Pfft. Krauthammer is just a bitter hack these days.
| 578 |
(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:44pm |
re: #563 webevintage
On Twitter:
@RepWeiner: Wow, what a speech. He even did a lox gag.hahahahaha
I liked the mixing of the parties in the audience.
Hooray for lox!
Yiddish laks, from Middle High German lahs salmon, from Old High German; akin to Old English leax salmon
First Known Use: 1939
| 579 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:22:44pm |
re: #557 Jadespring
Right now my net bill generally runs over 200 bucks a month.
When I start going full bore with the business it could be closer to 300 or more.
wow, we live in a semi-rural area, and I bitch about my dsl at $40 a month from ATT.....I may never again.
| 580 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:23:02pm |
re: #564 Lidane
Nah. She's just going to be the last thing anyone remembers as far as rebuttals go.
Which will make the final word (sic).
Sorry, technical writer humor.
| 581 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:23:08pm |
Did I miss the Wingnut and Tea Party responses?
| 582 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:23:22pm |
re: #574 Decider
Fox News is having a hard time bashing it but they are giving it the ole Fox-try.
They don't have any crazies, but Brit Hume is clearly unimpressed.
| 583 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:23:40pm |
I think Wolfblitzer just wants to hit people. Or maybe I'm projecting.
| 584 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:23:54pm |
| 585 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:23:59pm |
re: #582 Dark_Falcon
Brit Hume would be unimpressed if Obama had been surrounded by hula girls and fire dancers. The guy's a humorless prig.
| 586 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:24:03pm |
re: #581 Killgore Trout
Did I miss the Wingnut and Tea Party responses?
Paul Ryan is not a wingnut. Bachmann clearly is.
| 587 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:24:06pm |
re: #5 brookly red
being able to watch on-line with out having to purchase TV makes me feel better already...
Got a letter this afternoon from the county prosecutor. They have arrested the burglars who stole our TV set.
| 588 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:24:34pm |
re: #570 dragonfire1981
Heh, yeah. 'Cuz one of the things I'll make sure to do when giving a report is to point to a recent trend as an indicator of how much other people think I suck.
| 589 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:24:46pm |
re: #586 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is not a wingnut. Bachmann clearly is.
Paul Ryan wants zero taxation on unearned income. Zero. He wants the only tax on income to be on that brought in by labor.
That qualifies him as a wingnut in my book.
| 590 |
Bubblehead II Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:24:47pm |
Evening Lizards. Missed the speech. What type of Hornets Nest am I walking in to?
| 591 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:25:00pm |
re: #587 Alouette
Got a letter this afternoon from the county prosecutor. They have arrested the burglars who stole our TV set.
Whoo hoo! How'd they get 'em?
| 592 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:25:19pm |
re: #585 Lidane
Brit Hume would be unimpressed if Obama had been surrounded by hula girls and fire dancers. The guy's a humorless prig.
Well, he used to be an anchor so does show major emotion on air. Compared to Beck and Hannity, its a major improvement.
| 593 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:25:20pm |
re: #589 Obdicut
Was waiting for you to type that out so i wouldn't have to...
| 595 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:25:35pm |
re: #571 charlz
i think the biggest difference was the relative lack of scripted applause lines where half the chamber stood and clapped and the other half sat on their hands.
Exactly. It was more of a conversation where people went "eeermm" instead of having springs in their butts.
| 597 |
Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:26:06pm |
re: #579 webevintage
wow, we live in a semi-rural area, and I bitch about my dsl at $40 a month from ATT...I may never again.
I would love to pay that. I could get dial-up an it would only be 30 bucks a month but that just makes everything so slow, also means I barely would ever look at any pictures.
I would pay less if I used the net less. It pretty much goes by the amount of bytes you use. I think the lowest- about 750 mb a month is around 25 dollars.
| 598 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:26:13pm |
1 minute ago via web
jaketapper
Actual tweet, actual congressman > RT @RepPaulBrounMD: Mr. President, you don't believe in the Constitution. You believe in socialism.
2 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
| 599 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:26:23pm |
Paul Ryan is on. He opens by talking about Gabby Giffords and Tuscon. It's a good move and it shows class.
| 600 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:27:11pm |
re: #598 Stanley Sea
1 minute ago via web
jaketapper
Actual tweet, actual congressman > RT @RepPaulBrounMD: Mr. President, you don't believe in the Constitution. You believe in socialism.
2 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
wow...asshole much?
| 601 |
Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:27:15pm |
re: #599 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is on. He opens by talking about Gabby Giffords and Tuscon. It's a good move and it shows class.
With a Bible quote.
| 602 |
McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:27:27pm |
Obama spoke hope, Ryan speaks fear. Some things never change.
| 604 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:27:38pm |
| 607 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:28:04pm |
| 610 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:28:39pm |
| 611 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:28:57pm |
re: #597 Jadespring
I would love to pay that. I could get dial-up an it would only be 30 bucks a month but that just makes everything so slow, also means I barely would ever look at any pictures.
I would pay less if I used the net less. It pretty much goes by the amount of bytes you use. I think the lowest- about 750 mb a month is around 25 dollars.
I don't know what I'd do if I had to pay for what I actually use per month. I'm on all day either working or playing and then once my son gets home from work we really are using it up.
| 612 |
recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:28:58pm |
re: #586 Dark_Falcon
Paul Ryan is not a wingnut. Bachmann clearly is.
Ryan is a wing nut. I'm sorry to break it to ya.
| 616 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:29:30pm |
Sorry, brutal
DaveHolmes
Is Paul Ryan still dating the new receptionist at Dunder-Mifflin?
| 617 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:29:34pm |
re: #602 McSpiff
Obama spoke hope, Ryan speaks fear. Some things never change.
I have lots of worse things I worry about as a parent then the deficit.
| 618 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:29:43pm |
re: #608 Gus 802
Drink!
What the Hell? He was being respectful and decent. Cut him a break on the intro, if nothing else.
| 622 |
recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:30:04pm |
re: #615 zora
heathcare entitlement. what?
Ya. Everybody pays into it. It's just a national savings plan. A very successful one.
| 623 |
Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:30:14pm |
re: #618 Dark_Falcon
What the Hell? He was being respectful and decent. Cut him a break on the intro, if nothing else.
Drink anyway DF. That was my way of moving on.
Drink!
| 624 |
Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:30:22pm |
re: #613 marjoriemoon
What channel you guys watching?
MSNBC bailed on CNN when the British entertainment dude was given a place at the round table.
| 625 |
tnguitarist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:30:27pm |
Don't forget, this guy wants the middle class to bear the large share of the tax burden in this country.
| 627 |
RogueOne Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:30:53pm |
re: #614 Gus 802
So far I'm hearing only complaining.
You want him to get to how he plans on winning the future? Personally I'd like to hear more about Plan B and how it's going to get us out of the 200' shafting we've been taking.
| 631 |
webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:29pm |
Damn he's no Bobby Jindal...mores the pity.
I guess the fun comes later.
| 633 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:36pm |
re: #629 Gus 802
Hey are you on Twitter with the same spelling?
I just got on today! I think I'm following you. (So that would be a yes)
| 634 |
zora Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:36pm |
| 635 |
Decider Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:37pm |
Paul Ryan is certainly a bright spot in the GOP. However it is disingenuous to just bash Obama's spending without mentioning it was a solution to fix what happened in the previous administration. Now I am not a fan of Obama's solution but acknowledge why he did it.
| 636 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:45pm |
"People in or near retirement will be protected." Translation: We're not going to gut Social Security.
| 637 |
Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:56pm |
re: #591 Obdicut
Whoo hoo! How'd they get 'em?
Probably one of their friends turned them in for a plea bargain.
Our TV was not recovered, or maybe it was but is being kept for evidence. We would have been notified, though, if our property was recovered.
On other topics, my pain has increased. I probably pulled or tore the muscle that was injured in the car accident.
| 638 |
Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:31:57pm |
The Founders. The Constertution. Yawn.
Lip service to the Tea Party.
| 639 |
What, me worry? Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:03pm |
| 640 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:13pm |
Don't like the tie. Oh, it's a good color for him. However, he is already wearing two strips (ribbon, button) and the tie stripes clash.
| 641 |
Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:30pm |
re: #636 Dark_Falcon
"People in or near retirement will be protected." Translation: We're not going to gut Social Security.
Well, of course. After all, the Tea Party is all about keeping the government out of Social Security and Medicare. =P
| 642 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:31pm |
re: #635 Decider
How is Paul Ryan a bright spot?
He wants zero taxation for unearned income. Zero. Not just less, but zero.
Zero taxation on estates.
He wants labor taxed. No other form of income.
How is that a bright spot?
| 643 |
charlz Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:37pm |
re: #626 marjoriemoon
Is that Eddie Munster on CNN?
poor eddie doesn't have a US flag in the background, qed i can't believe a word he says!
| 644 |
jaunte Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:46pm |
A chart to look at during Ryan and Bachmann's responses.
[Link: www.lcurve.org...]
| 645 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:47pm |
He did say a social safety net was needed, while still going after oversized government.
| 646 |
Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:53pm |
re: #597 Jadespring
Just to add a bit to the economic argument about why subidizing makes sense for the overall economic benefit of the country and not just me as an individual.
Say the government subsidizes the infrastructure and I can pay even 100 bucks a month for access. That would mean as a small business owner I would have and extra 100 to 200 per month to put into, an extra 1200-2400 per year as well as be able to do net stuff quicker (Time is money in business) This money and time could go towards capital, or marketing, or labor cost. Things that would lead to more income and profit. More income equals more taxes and possibily more jobs.
Now times me by 100 or 1000 or 10,000 and times that over 20 years.
| 647 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:32:58pm |
re: #638 Gus 802
Gus, why do you hate America?
/
| 648 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:05pm |
Ryan opposing raising the debt limit.
Republicans are fucked.
| 649 |
Gus Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:08pm |
Limited government like banning abortion, banning gay marriage, banning Habeus Corpus, banning pot, banning, banning...
| 650 |
darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:23pm |
Obama was a little rough on the boner...I mean Boehner...making him clap enough times that the teabaggers will be calling for his scalp by morning.
| 651 |
sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:29pm |
re: #606 Stanley Sea
He's not a strong speaker.
He's much better than Bobby Jindal. (yeah, the GOP has set the bar that low).
| 652 |
Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:41pm |
re: #637 Alouette
Aw, that sucks. Make sure you keep moving around so as not to get stiff, but somehow I get the feeling I really don't need to give you that advice.
Hot baths and being good to yourself.
| 653 |
freetoken Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:44pm |
| 656 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:33:53pm |
re: #642 Obdicut
How is Paul Ryan a bright spot?
He wants zero taxation for unearned income. Zero. Not just less, but zero.
Zero taxation on estates.
He wants labor taxed. No other form of income.
How is that a bright spot?
Being against the estate tax is not insane. Call it a bad idea if you wish, but its not crazy.
| 657 |
austin_blue Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:34:05pm |
re: #601 Gus 802
With a Bible quote.
Well, of course. Got to speak to The Base.
Too bad the writers of that document didn't understand the mechanics of rainfall and the water cycle.
Still, though, I think we should find it perfectly appropriate that our Judeo-Christian texts should be the basis for future public policy based on modern science.
I'm not even going to put a slash here.
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zora Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:34:13pm |
re: #649 Gus 802
Limited government like banning abortion, banning gay marriage, banning Habeus Corpus, banning pot, banning, banning...
a government so small it can fit in a uterus.
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Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:34:30pm |
re: #654 Stanley Sea
DOOM AND GLOOM
GREECE!!!
That is so fucking lame, to go for the fear factor. As usual.
Yep, we are Greece.
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:34:39pm |
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tnguitarist Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:34:39pm |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:35:05pm |
re: #652 Obdicut
Aw, that sucks. Make sure you keep moving around so as not to get stiff, but somehow I get the feeling I really don't need to give you that advice.
Hot baths and being good to yourself.
I am being real good to myself by getting a new car. Ford Escape. Sangria Red. And I'm gonna get my nails painted the same color. :)
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:35:13pm |
re: #656 Dark_Falcon
Being against the estate tax is not insane. Call it a bad idea if you wish, but its not crazy.
It's not DSM IV crazy, but it certainly is, in the jargon of our times, crazy.
Our founding fathers warned against and worried about an aristocracy springing up here. Removing the estate tax would cement that aristocracy.
Anyway: He just spoke out against raising the debt ceiling. So accept that as proof of his wingnuttiness instead.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:35:22pm |
re: #642 Obdicut
How is Paul Ryan a bright spot?
He wants zero taxation for unearned income. Zero. Not just less, but zero.
Zero taxation on estates.
He wants labor taxed. No other form of income.
How is that a bright spot?
So Bill Gates should be able to support all his descendents, yea unto the 7th generation.
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:35:25pm |
re: #656 Dark_Falcon
Being against the estate tax is not insane. Call it a bad idea if you wish, but its not crazy.
And selectively quoting isn't addressing the point. He's against a tax on income other than labor. Insane.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:35:25pm |
re: #654 Stanley Sea
DOOM AND GLOOM
GREECE!!!
A nasty austerity program would eventually be needed if less drastic measures are not taken now. It's not an unreasonable statement.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:36:08pm |
re: #666 sagehen
So Bill Gates should be able to support all his descendents, yea unto the 7th generation.
And of course, Bill Gates doesn't even want that. The Koch's do, of course.
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Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:36:22pm |
re: #668 Dark_Falcon
A nasty austerity program would eventually be needed if less drastic measures are not taken now. It's not an unreasonable statement.
Dude, we are not Greece. We are so far from Greece. It's a fucking GOP typical scare tactic.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:36:29pm |
What...no "God Bless America" from the Republican? What the fuck is up with that?
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Mark Winter Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:36:39pm |
Greece is broke because people weren't paying their taxes and had corrupt governments.
You might want to rethink your idea Mr Ryan
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:36:54pm |
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brennant Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:36:56pm |
That speech made me want to hide in the basement.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:37:15pm |
re: #667 McSpiff
And selectively quoting isn't addressing the point. He's against a tax on income other than labor. Insane.
He's a younger and less badly named Dick Armey.
He still loves Ayn Rand.
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darthstar Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:37:29pm |
re: #680 brennant
That speech made me want to hide in the basement.
Then it did what it was supposed to do.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:37:33pm |
re: #171 jordash1212
Whatchu' drinking? I'm going to break out a Surly Coffee Bender after I finish this Old Rasputin.
I have, lessee, a couple bottles of New Belgium Trippel, a couple bottles of Deschutes Mirror Pond, in random order :D
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McSpiff Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:37:38pm |
re: #668 Dark_Falcon
A nasty austerity program would eventually be needed if less drastic measures are not taken now. It's not an unreasonable statement.
I agree. Its unfortunate the GOP has absolutely no plan on doing that.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:37:43pm |
re: #665 Obdicut
It's not DSM IV crazy, but it certainly is, in the jargon of our times, crazy.
Our founding fathers warned against and worried about an aristocracy springing up here. Removing the estate tax would cement that aristocracy.
Anyway: He just spoke out against raising the debt ceiling. So accept that as proof of his wingnuttiness instead.
He'll still vote for it. But he clearly doesn't like it. For that matter, I don't like raising the debt ceiling. I support it politically, but I don't like it.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:37:44pm |
re: #680 brennant
That speech made me want to hide in the basement.
That's the Republican campaign tactic since the early 60's. Be scared.
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sagehen Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:38:04pm |
re: #656 Dark_Falcon
Being against the estate tax is not insane. Call it a bad idea if you wish, but its not crazy.
It kind of is.
The whole point of the estate tax is to prevent the rise of a hereditary aristocracy. The people who wrote it in the first place (and Andrew Carnegie, who lobbied relentlessly to get it passed), intended it to be a zero revenue tax (people who had amassed great fortunes would be motivated to spend it on what they thought important, or give it all away, before they died).
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Lidane Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:38:10pm |
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Mark Winter Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:38:39pm |
re: #675 Stanley Sea
Dude, we are not Greece. We are so far from Greece. It's a fucking GOP typical scare tactic.
Not only that but the problems of Greece and the UK don't compare. Mr Ryan is an ignorant.
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Jadespring Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:39:27pm |
So how nutty do we think Bachmann will be?
Ryan's was a bit bleak and didn't really say a whole lot but it wasn't crazy (like volcanoes) or anything.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:39:28pm |
re: #687 Dark_Falcon
He'll still vote for it. But he clearly doesn't like it. For that matter, I don't like raising the debt ceiling. I support it politically, but I don't like it.
Personally, I don't like the circumstances that got us to this point :-)
Anyone remember that surplus? Anyone...
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webevintage Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:39:35pm |
hahahahahaha
Bismark! from O'Donnell makes Matthews laugh out loud on MSNBC.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:39:56pm |
re: #678 Mark Winter
Greece is broke because people weren't paying their taxes and had corrupt governments.
You might want to rethink your idea Mr Ryan
He also mentioned Ireland right after Greece, a nation whose situation is much closer to ours. He used more than one example to illustrate what major fiscal meltdown means. He was basically saying:
"This is a fiscal disaster looks like. Avoid it."
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Stanghazi Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:39:59pm |
re: #691 Mark Winter
Not only that but the problems of Greece and the UK don't compare. Mr Ryan is an ignorant.
And many American's are following along. He's a freaking representative of the people.
And he's fear mongering.
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:40:43pm |
re: #687 Dark_Falcon
He'll still vote for it. But he clearly doesn't like it. For that matter, I don't like raising the debt ceiling. I support it politically, but I don't like it.
Well, this is what he said:
And during the last two years, that is exactly what we have gotten — along with record deficits and debt — to the point where the President is now urging Congress to increase the debt limit.
This is just a lie. It's not the last two years that have brought us to the point. The debt limit has been raised again and again, under Reagan, under Bush I, under Clinton, under Bush II. Saying that it is the past two years that have brought us to this point is a blatant, stupid, political lie, and he insults my intelligence by expecting me to fall for it. He insults the intelligence of Americans everywhere by expecting them to fall for it.
Including you.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:41:14pm |
re: #694 WindUpBird
Personally, I don't like the circumstances that got us to this point :-)
Anyone remember that surplus? Anyone...
I remember it. It got KO'ed by a major terror attack and a recession.
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recusancy Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:43:28pm |
re: #696 Dark_Falcon
He also mentioned Ireland right after Greece, a nation whose situation is much closer to ours. He used more than one example to illustrate what major fiscal meltdown means. He was basically saying:
"This is a fiscal disaster looks like. Avoid it."
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Obdicut Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:45:00pm |
re: #700 recusancy
Nice bit from that article:
But Ireland is now in its third year of austerity, and confidence just keeps draining away. And you have to wonder what it will take for serious people to realize that punishing the populace for the bankers’ sins is worse than a crime; it’s a mistake.
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Mark Winter Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:45:19pm |
re: #680 brennant
That speech made me want to hide in the basement.
It sounded like it was given out of one
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Mark Winter Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:46:50pm |
Why do the Republicans get two responses anyway?
What's next? A coffee party and three?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Jan 25, 2011 7:52:28pm |
re: #551 ProLifeLiberal
I do think America is very awesome, but let me state that Canada is just as awesome.
You mean the State of Canada?
Canada is America's hat.
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palomino Tue, Jan 25, 2011 8:09:01pm |
re: #236 Dark_Falcon
I've never been a fan of DREAM. I think it the thin edge of the wedge.
Wow, do you even realize or care how xenophobic that sounds?
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Decider Tue, Jan 25, 2011 8:32:50pm |
re: #642 Obdicut
How is Paul Ryan a bright spot?
He wants zero taxation for unearned income. Zero. Not just less, but zero.
Zero taxation on estates.
He wants labor taxed. No other form of income.
How is that a bright spot?
I am not saying I agree with everything he says. I don't agree with everything any politician says. Of course, compared to the rest of the FoxTeaPublicans the bar is low.
Ryan is clear, does not engage in the typical Fox News talking points and actually has real solutions. Again I am not saying those solutions need to be implemented without discussion but he is the only FoxTeaPublican that has solutions and not just Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity talking points. I think he has a bright future. Hopefully, Ryan and Christie are the future of the GOP, not Palin/Bachmann/Beck/Hannity/Limbaugh, etc.
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