Study: Abortion and Mental Problems Are Not Related

‘There is still some debate, but the majority of the literature is very clear’
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A new study by Danish scientists, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, provides more evidence that a common talking point of the anti-choice religious right wing is false: abortion and mental problems are not related.

Women do not suffer mental health problems such as depression or post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of having an abortion, researchers reported Wednesday.

The study, published by Danish scientists in the New England Journal of Medicine, adds to a growing body of scientific literature that has failed to find that abortion causes psychological problems, as some abortion opponents have asserted.

“There is still some debate, but the majority of the literature is very clear on this,” said Linda Beckman, a psychology professor at Alliant International University in Alhambra, Calif., and a co-author of a 2008 report from the American Psychological Association on abortion and mental health.

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184 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:35:39pm

talk about a can of worms…

2 theheat  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:36:13pm

Nobody wants an abortion. I think everyone can agree the best way to make everyone happy is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. But should an unwanted pregnancy occur for personal or health reasons, the decision to have an abortion is not contingent on mental instability. In fact, it may give some people closure and help shape their future in a positive way.

3 jc717  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:37:13pm

Wingnut rule # 17: Never let objective studies get in the way of a good argument/rant/distortion.

After all, the soul searched opinions of a random preacher with an agenda should be given the same weight as a large sample study.

4 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:37:33pm
Youtube Video
5 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:37:51pm

An important part of that report is that women who do have children do face challenges to their mental health. Post-partum depression, as well as the stress of being a mother, are serious things. We need to look out for the well-being of new mothers.

6 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:39:15pm
7 Talking Point Detective  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:39:19pm

There has also been quite a bit of meta-analysis that debunked that meme long ago.

A quick Google search turns up this:

[Link: www.hum.utah.edu…]

or

[Link: www.prochoice.org…]

In 1989, the American Psychological Association (APA) convened a panel of psychologists with extensive experience in this field to review the data. They reported that the studies with the most scientifically rigorous research designs consistently found no trace of “post-abortion syndrome” and furthermore, that no such syndrome is scientifically or medically recognized.

The panel concluded that “research with diverse samples, different measures of response, and different times of assessment have come to similar conclusions. The time of greatest distress is likely to be before the abortion. Severe negative reactions after abortions are rare and can best be understood in the framework of coping with normal life stress.” While some women may experience sensations of regret, sadness or guilt after an abortion, the overwhelming responses are relief and happiness.

In another study, researchers surveyed a national sample of 5,295 women, not all of whom had had abortions, and many of whom had abortions between 1979 and 1987, the time they were involved in the study. The researchers were able to learn about women’s emotional well-being both before and after they had abortions. They concluded at the end of the eight-year study that the most important predictor of emotional well-being in post-abortion women was their well-being before the abortion. Women who had high self-esteem before an abortion would be most likely to have high self-esteem after an abortion, regardless of how many years passed since the abortion

Gee - imagine that. Women who where unhappy prior to having an abortion were more likely to be unhappy after having an abortion.

8 Gus  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:39:37pm

The talking points of the anti-choice religious right wing and mental problem are related.

9 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:40:40pm

re: #7 Talking Point Detective

There has also been quite a bit of meta-analysis that debunked that meme long ago.

A quick Google search turns up this:

[Link: www.hum.utah.edu…]

or

[Link: www.prochoice.org…]


Gee - imagine that. Women who where unhappy prior to having an abortion were more likely to be unhappy after having an abortion.


….There’s a “Fucking Epiphany”……!

10 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:42:33pm
There is still some debate…

Understatement of the decade. The debate will never end. Facts be damned.

11 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:46:03pm

During a conversation about helping a toubled teen someone said
“He IS an illegitimate child”…I “went off” and ruined a casual friendship
..saying “There are NO illigitimate children,only illigitimate relationships”!
My son is proof that a broken family can produce incredible character
and wonderful human beings!

12 Big Steve  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:48:03pm

I am quite capable of driving any woman I married to depression, stress, and insanity without her ever having an abortion…..or so the Ex’s of Big Steve would have you believe.

13 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:49:11pm

re: #11 reloadingisnotahobby
I agree.

14 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:49:42pm

Arizona abortion bill requires race, gender selection be ruled out

…Any doctor who performed an abortion knowing race or sex selection was the reason would face felony charges. And the legislation would permit the father of the unborn child, if married to the woman having the abortion, to sue the doctor for damages.

Neither Montenegro nor independent searches of state records and the Internet provided any information indicating a significant number of women are seeking abortions for those reasons.

Montenegro promised supporting data when interviewed initially last week, but as of late Wednesday had provided none. He said he will have more specifics to back those claims today….

F’in facts. How do they work.

15 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:50:20pm

re: #12 Big Steve

I am quite capable of driving any woman I married to depression, stress, and insanity without her ever having an abortion…or so the Ex’s of Big Steve would have you believe.

Oh my god… you mean you’ve had FAILED MARRIAGES?
//

16 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:50:32pm

re: #12 Big Steve
…Oh wow…Your THAT Big Steve???
Now it all comes together…..!/

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:52:16pm

re: #6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wish I could change that syntax.

18 [deleted]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:52:21pm
19 Big Steve  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:52:31pm

re: #15 Walter L. Newton

Oh my god… you mean you’ve had FAILED MARRIAGES?
//

two to be exact…..well technically one, the second one is in process and thusly enriching several lawyers.

20 elizajane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:53:21pm

“…any doctor who performed an abortion knowing race or sex selection was the reason would face felony charges. And the legislation would permit the father of the unborn child, if married to the woman having the abortion, to sue the doctor for damages. re: #14 wrenchwench

That is uniquely insane. Aborting for “race selection.” Can somebody explain exactly how that is supposed to work????

21 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:53:39pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Preview is my friend.

22 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:53:52pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wish I could change that syntax.

It has a lot going for it the way it is….

23 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:54:12pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wish I could change that syntax.

Personally… I would ask Charles to delete it… someone may use it the wrong way… on purpose.

24 mojo9  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:55:09pm

my kids caused me plenty of mental issues, but i wouldn’t take anything for either one.

25 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:55:25pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OK, I deleted it. Heh.

26 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:55:52pm

re: #20 elizajane

“…any doctor who performed an abortion knowing race or sex selection was the reason would face felony charges. And the legislation would permit the father of the unborn child, if married to the woman having the abortion, to sue the doctor for damages.

That is uniquely insane. Aborting for “race selection.” Can somebody explain exactly how that is supposed to work???

Later today, maybe. He’s still looking for data. Or maybe he’s looking for Data, from STTNG. He could help.

/

27 efuseakay  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:56:04pm

I bet the nuts won’t be able to address this without mentioning “GLOBAL WARMING”!

‘Cuz you know… all science is equal!

28 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:56:31pm

re: #19 Big Steve

two to be exact…well technically one, the second one is in process and thusly enriching several lawyers.

I never know what to say in that instance….
…Is it a good thing or a bad thing ,so I never ask or comment …
Because saying “sorry to hear that” is like asking a Hypochondriac
“How ya doin”…..!!
Good luck either way!!

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:56:57pm

Don’t forget that kids can drive you bat shit crazy!

30 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:57:10pm

re: #24 mojo9

…So there free??
///

31 mojo9  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:57:21pm

re: #17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

dang, i just got it. i’ve been accused of not having a keen sense of the obvious.

32 Big Steve  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:57:31pm

re: #28 reloadingisnotahobby

I never know what to say in that instance…
…Is it a good thing or a bad thing ,so I never ask or comment …
Because saying “sorry to hear that” is like asking a Hypochondriac
“How ya doin”…!!
Good luck either way!!

thanks…..it is working out very well for me.

33 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 12:58:16pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now that works too. I agree better sounding.

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:00:18pm

re: #25 Charles

Given any more thought to that five minute editing window?

*Looking down, kicking dust…*

35 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:00:24pm

re: #18 Tigger2
Hey Charles you can also delete my post , to get “fat bastards vegetarians” comment off of here for him.

36 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:00:55pm

I’m going to finish an outdoor task….and gaze at the crystal clear blue
sky!
It’s a beauty!

37 mojo9  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:01:13pm

re: #30 reloadingisnotahobby

depends on what you mean by free. daughter’s on her own in the navy. trying to get the son through college. so, that’s definitely not free.

38 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:02:24pm

re: #35 Tigger2

Of course, you realize the stalkers already have screen shots.

/half

39 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:03:00pm

re: #37 mojo9

Nope !!
But your very proud and should be!!

40 Lidane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:03:43pm

Speaking of mental problems:

Boehner Attacks Obama For Supposedly Ignoring American Exceptionalism In State Of The Union

41 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:04:27pm

re: #38 Charles

Of course, you realize the stalkers already have screen shots.

/half

PHft on them.
They only wish they had the same level of self-monitoring and responsible posting that LGF has.

42 Gus  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:04:35pm

re: #38 Charles

Of course, you realize the stalkers already have screen shots.

/half

Another dorky “deleted post” conspiracy is born.

43 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:05:59pm

re: #40 Lidane

Speaking of mental problems:

Boehner Attacks Obama For Supposedly Ignoring American Exceptionalism In State Of The Union

He didn’t talk about bicycles, either. That speech sucked.

/

44 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:06:37pm

re: #38 Charles
I just knew FBV was upset with his comment, and since I used it in a quote I didn’t want to leave it up if it was going to upset the poster.
I’ll leave it up to FBV if the poster wants it left up or taken down, if that’s OK.

45 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:07:14pm

re: #40 Lidane

Speaking of mental problems:

Boehner Attacks Obama For Supposedly Ignoring American Exceptionalism In State Of The Union

“As the National Journal’s Ron Fournier noted yesterday, the entire focus of Obama’s speech was American exceptionalism and the need for the U.S. to “win the future” over the rest of the world. Indeed, Obama even said to Boehner that America is the only country where “someone who began by sweeping the floors of his father’s Cincinnati bar can preside as Speaker of the House in the the greatest nation on Earth.””

Geez, Boehner. You just didn’t listen then….

46 Lidane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:08:20pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

My HR professor actually riffed on the whole salmon bit, just because we’re talking about organizational structure. It was a good way to make the subject relevant.

47 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:10:10pm

Reine, if your here, I sent you an E-Mail with the Honey Dijon Chicken Recipe.

48 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:10:21pm

re: #46 Lidane

My HR professor actually riffed on the whole salmon bit, just because we’re talking about organizational structure. It was a good way to make the subject relevant.

Did you get to smoke some?

/

49 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:10:29pm

re: #47 Bubblehead II

Reine, if your here, I sent you an E-Mail with the Honey Dijon Chicken Recipe.

I’m here.
I’ll check, and thanks!

50 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:11:13pm

Uh oh, honey dijon chicken and smoked salmon. Time for lunch!

51 darthstar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:11:34pm

You’ll have to excuse me…I’m having a Sputnik moment right now.

52 Lidane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:11:35pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

Did you get to smoke some?

/

Heh. I wish. It would’ve made the rest of the lecture more interesting.

I like my prof, but damn, HR can be some mind-numbing stuff.

53 Gus  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:11:40pm

re: #40 Lidane

Speaking of mental problems:

Boehner Attacks Obama For Supposedly Ignoring American Exceptionalism In State Of The Union

Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS): 1 year and 7 days…

54 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:12:07pm

I reading around, the reports on traffic, jams, stuck vehicles, stranded this and that, up and down the east coast because of the recent storm. And I only have one question, and it’s a serious one.

What the fuck happened up there?

I grew up on the east coast. I’ve seen plenty of snow, from a few inch storms to blizzards. Sure, I’ve seen traffic snarls and problems, but I don’t remember everyone whining about it like little children.

For 8 winters, I drove every Sunday, from the beginning of November to the middle of Jan. to Philadelphia, about a 200 mile round trip. Many trips were smooth sailing, and some trips took 4-5 hours, because of snow… but that was expected. You took your time, helped others out if you had the ability, take a few swigs of blackberry brandy, and you trudge on home. And when you got their, you felt like you accomplished something.

“I live in Pennsylvania. I was stuck for three hours and they directed us off. I’ve been here ever since. I can’t go anywhere,” said another driver.

Drivers had to stay in one location until the streets were cleared.

“We’ve been here hours,” said some drivers.

Stuck three hours. Did you even take the storm into consideration before you ventured home or out, or did you expect nothing?

Stay in one location. Holy immobility batman.

We’ve been here hours. Be happy your warm and not in a ditch somewhere.

Bullshit. Anyone on the east coast, who’s been there more than 3 days, want to explain what has happened to people up there?

55 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:13:03pm

re: #44 Tigger2

I just knew FBV was upset with his comment, and since I used it in a quote I didn’t want to leave it up if it was going to upset the poster.
I’ll leave it up to FBV if the poster wants it left up or taken down, if that’s OK.

Charles will leave it up to himself if something stays up or not… no one else.

56 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:14:26pm

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Charles will leave it up to himself if something stays up or not… no one else.


I see you totally missed what was going on.

57 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:15:03pm

Mr “Queen Ester” himself is back in the news.

Gay Rights Foes Pray For Ellen DeGeneres’ ‘Conversion’

Preaching last month at an event called the Winter Ramp held at the Chattanooga Convention Center in Tennessee, Engle urged participants to pray for DeGeneres’ “conversion.”

“In revivals, God wants to bring forth notable and conspicuous conversions,” Engle told the crowd. “That’s how he changes the minds of the masses. Come on, Ellen DeGeneres, let her get converted.”

The 52-year-old DeGeneres came out gay in a 1997 cover of Time and married actress Portia de Rossi in 2008 before voters approved Proposition 8.

Now if I were married to Portia de Rossi, I don’t think I would be thinking about converting anytime soon.

58 darthstar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:16:55pm

Hey…would you mind rolling down the window?

59 Big Steve  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:17:30pm

Well…well…well….I see an ad at the top of the page for “Pro-Life Checks” not only is that ironic given this post but who the hell still writes checks these days!

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:20:09pm

re: #58 darthstar

Hey…would you mind rolling down the window?

A vinshield viper?

61 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:21:37pm

re: #59 Big Steve

Well…well…well…I see an ad at the top of the page for “Pro-Life Checks” not only is that ironic given this post but who the hell still writes checks these days!

Applying for a passport yesterday, I had to write checks. No debit/credit cards accepted.

62 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:21:51pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Or “vindshield”, as it were. I’m no good at faking a german accent.

63 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:21:54pm

And from our other favorit Envanlunatic

America’s public policy: all we need is Genesis 1 and 2

Origins: “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (Gen. 1:1). The Founders are right, and Darwin is wrong.
…
Environmentalism: Man is not an intruder, a noxious weed or a parasite, but rather God’s vice-regent, acting with his delegated and rightful authority over all the environment.
…
Population: Leftists say there are too many people on the earth; the Judeo-Christian tradition says there are too few. “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth” (Gen. 1:28). The goal should be for each set of parents to have at least three children, for if parents have just two, they aren’t multiplying, they’re only replacing themselves.
…
Secular fundamentalism is the problem and the Judeo-Christian tradition is the solution. Will America and its elected officials wake up in time to save what is left of the greatest nation on earth?

64 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:22:27pm

Well, we just had another Bank robbed.

T.F. police investigate bank robbery.

This is starting to become an almost bimonthly occurrence.

65 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:22:50pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Don’t forget that kids can drive you bat shit crazy!


Don’t forget kids can drive you into the poor house.

66 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:23:59pm

re: #58 darthstar
I am not rolling down the window for him. He has to stay outside.

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:24:17pm

re: #65 Tigger2

Don’t forget kids can drive you into the poor house.

Don’t forget kids can drive you to the liquor store when you’re too drunk to drive yourself.

68 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:24:40pm

re: #66 PhillyPretzel
My wife would be half mile back up the road…on foot!!

69 PhillyPretzel  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:26:12pm

re: #68 reloadingisnotahobby
Please excuse me but he would be meeting Mr Knife or Ruger(or whatever your favorite firearm is).

70 Lidane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:28:04pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now if I were married to Portia de Rossi, I don’t think I would be thinking about converting anytime soon.

Heh. Neither is Ellen DeGeneres. I’ve seen them in interviews together. She and Portia are clearly in love.

Also, Engle’s a tool.

71 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:28:56pm

re: #67 Slumbering Behemoth
They dont need to drive me to the liquor store, they just need pay me back some of the money I have spent on them over the years so I have some money to spend when I get to the liquor store.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:29:42pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

Global warming cooked their brains and convinced them there never would be snow ever again…

74 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:30:22pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

Part of the problem (locally to me) is the city I live in is completely f-ing broke. They can’t afford effective snow removal anymore, so there is a loose network of volunteer plows that clear the residential streets after storms. They also no longer plow periodically during the storm, as they used to, except for the commuter arteries and highways.

This has resulted in much slower snow removal, and in some cases, side streets that just never get plowed.

75 Gus  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:30:52pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And from our other favorit Envanlunatic

America’s public policy: all we need is Genesis 1 and 2

Oh brother. So, Bryan Fischer thinks:

The goal should be for each set of parents to have at least three children, for if parents have just two, they aren’t multiplying, they’re only replacing themselves.

Bryan Fischer has two children.

Let’s hope they’re not a “replacement” of his warped mind.

76 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:30:56pm

re: #70 Lidane

Heh. Neither is Ellen DeGeneres. I’ve seen them in interviews together. She and Portia are clearly in love.

Also, Engle’s a tool.

But what kind of tool?

77 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:30:57pm

re: #58 darthstar

Hey…would you mind rolling down the window?

Objects in mirror are closer than they…HOLY SHIT!

78 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:31:31pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Oh brother. So, Bryan Fischer thinks:

The goal should be for each set of parents to have at least three children, for if parents have just two, they aren’t multiplying, they’re only replacing themselves.

Bryan Fischer has two children.

Let’s hope they’re not a “replacement” of his warped mind.

Why does Bryan hate America?

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:32:58pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

A vinshield viper?

He just wants a buck for some booze after wiping off the windshield for you. (Not responsible for what you spewed on the *inside* of the windshield when you noticed him there…)

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:33:29pm

re: #71 Tigger2

They dont need to drive me to the liquor store, they just need pay me back some of the money I have spent on them over the years so I have some money to spend when I get to the liquor store.

Heh. I’m lucky. No kids of my own, I just use the neighbor’s kid to drive me to the liquor store. Win/Win.

81 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:33:33pm

re: #74 Fozzie Bear

Part of the problem (locally to me) is the city I live in is completely f-ing broke. They can’t afford effective snow removal anymore, so there is a loose network of volunteer plows that clear the residential streets after storms. They also no longer plow periodically during the storm, as they used to, except for the commuter arteries and highways.

This has resulted in much slower snow removal, and in some cases, side streets that just never get plowed.

Sounds like where I live in SE MI, but a bit better. Either way, my rule of thumb here is that if there’s any chance of accumulation, I stay off the roads unless it is absolutely needed that I have to go somewhere.

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:33:55pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

A vinshield viper?

Wery klewer.

83 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:34:41pm

re: #58 darthstar

Hey…would you mind rolling down the window?

I would, just to get the scent of me shitting myself to vent out!

84 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:35:05pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Watch: Catholic TV anchor explains why America needs a Christian dictator

KT—

I put up a page on that last night. Just want to emphasize that this clown is not speaking for anyone except his freak followers, a couple priests and a retired bishop or two. (He also hasn’t been slapped down yet.) His bunch is at war with the “liberal” archbishop of Boston, for example. He has also corrected? himself, saying we need a “Catholic monarchy” rather than a “benign dictator”.

85 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:35:55pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Watch: Catholic TV anchor explains why America needs a Christian dictator

That website is blocked to me…. what the heck is that linked to?

86 Kruk  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:37:10pm

Re: this study. I wish I thought it would have an impact on the abortion debate, but a significant portion of abortion opponents would make women carry children conceived by rape or incest to term. (And potentially have to share custody or manage access with the rapist). They care stuff all about the woman’s mental health.

87 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:39:27pm

re: #84 Decatur Deb

KT—

I put up a page on that last night. Just want to emphasize that this clown is not speaking for anyone except his freak followers, a couple priests and a retired bishop or two. (He also hasn’t been slapped down yet.) His bunch is at war with the “liberal” archbishop of Boston, for example. He has also corrected? himself, saying we need a “Catholic monarchy” rather than a “benign dictator”.

I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s not a spokesman for the Vatican but I think his honest approach is actually shared by much of the religious right even though they won’t admit it.

88 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:40:09pm

re: #86 Kruk

They care stuff all about the woman’s mental health.

Is that where the obscenity would go if I wrote that?

89 Buck  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:40:28pm

Microsoft said it sold 8 million Kinect units in 60 days. This is going to be HUGE.

I really think this is the start of a new way to interact with a computer, TV or almost anything.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:40:32pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Watch: Catholic TV anchor explains why America needs a Christian dictator

Holy shit, dude. Get the fuck outta my country, asshole.

91 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:40:51pm

re: #84 Decatur Deb

KT—

I put up a page on that last night. Just want to emphasize that this clown is not speaking for anyone except his freak followers, a couple priests and a retired bishop or two. (He also hasn’t been slapped down yet.) His bunch is at war with the “liberal” archbishop of Boston, for example. He has also corrected? himself, saying we need a “Catholic monarchy” rather than a “benign dictator”.

Screw that benign shit, I want the fucking Divine Right of Kings. Fucking rule of law coming along and screwing everything up.

I call dibs on the Monarchy.

92 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:41:59pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s not a spokesman for the Vatican but I think his honest approach is actually shared by much of the religious right even though they won’t admit it.

It was always potentially there in a church that was able to navigate “the Divine Right of (proper) Kings”. My instructors in the 60’s could talk themselves into this sort of thing.

93 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:44:18pm

re: #85 Ericus58

That website is blocked to me… what the heck is that linked to?

Some guy saying that democracy sucks because non-christians are allowed to vote.

94 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:44:19pm

Here’s an update to the Spokane bomb found along the MLK parade route:
Official: Bomb found on King Day in Spokane had rat poison, pellets

(CNN) — A backpack bomb discovered last week along a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade route in Spokane, Washington, contained a chemical found in rat poison and was packed with little metal pellets, apparently as shrapnel, a law enforcement official said Thursday.

The device was set up to be detonated remotely, the official told CNN. The bomb is being examined in the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia.

Authorities don’t have a suspect and don’t know whether the bomb was linked to a white supremacist group, the official said.

Before the King march kicked off last week, three parade workers found the gray backpack on a bench at the northeast corner of North Washington Street and West Main Avenue in downtown Spokane.

No threat was made before the device was found, and no note was found with the backpack, authorities said.

The FBI said last week it will consider regional neo-Nazi activity in its investigation of the backpack bomb.

95 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:44:23pm

re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I’m lucky. No kids of my own, I just use the neighbor’s kid to drive me to the liquor store. Win/Win.

LOL

96 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:45:26pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s not a spokesman for the Vatican but I think his honest approach is actually shared by much of the religious right even though they won’t admit it.

Here’s a more inside look:

[Link: vox-nova.com…]

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

97 Kruk  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:46:19pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Is that where the obscenity would go if I wrote that?

Heh. Yep. I was originally going to say bugger all, but I thought it inappropriate in the context of talking about rape.

98 M. Dubious  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:46:24pm

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Catholic Monarchy. Theism and Inherited Power. Great. Combining two problems always solves things.

99 Gus  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:47:20pm

Need nap stat! Later.

100 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:47:34pm

Oddly enough none of the Israeli news sites seem very concerned about ElBaradei returning to Egypt but they’re all covering the Rabbis vs Glenn Beck.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:47:56pm

re: #98 harald

Catholic Monarchy. Theism and Inherited Power. Great. Combining two problems always solves things.

The West needs something to counterbalance the on-coming restoration of the Caliphate…

///

102 freetoken  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:48:27pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Watch: Catholic TV anchor explains why America needs a Christian dictator

That democracy is a heresy was a common theme of Rushdoony and his son-in-law Gary North, and their followers, quite some time ago. It appears that idea is gaining ground.

103 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:48:56pm

re: #101 oaktree

The West needs something to counterbalance the on-coming restoration of the Caliphate…

///

Got it covered

Youtube Video
104 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:50:00pm

Actor Charlie Sheen hospitalized with abdominal pain….

….there has been no confirmation that it was due to the $150,000 watch he had possibly swallowed following the Hotel rampage several weeks back in which he had mistakenly thought it had been stolen.
/

105 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:51:16pm

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

Holy shit, dude. Get the fuck outta my country, asshole.

What a fucking idiot.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:51:16pm

re: #104 Ericus58

Actor Charlie Sheen hospitalized with abdominal pain…

…there has been no confirmation that it was due to the $150,000 watch he had possibly swallowed following the Hotel rampage several weeks back in which he had mistakenly thought it had been stolen.
/


I heard a rumor that it was due to him making a cutting remark to two women about lesbian witches, and it turned out they were lesbian witches.

107 Kruk  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:51:30pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Some guy saying that democracy sucks because non-christians are allowed to vote.

Yeah, a lot of people seem to think this whole “universal sufferage” thing has gone too far. I would find it funny if it wasn’t so disturbing.

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:53:30pm

re: #75 Gus 802

Oh brother. So, Bryan Fischer thinks:

The goal should be for each set of parents to have at least three children, for if parents have just two, they aren’t multiplying, they’re only replacing themselves.

Bryan Fischer has two children.

Let’s hope they’re not a “replacement” of his warped mind.

Heh. I recall sometime way back, there used to be a commenter here that was quite aggravated by the fact that I had sired no offspring, and had no intention of doing so in the future. Fundamentalists are the kwaziest peoples.

109 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:54:27pm

I swear - I don’t know how people stand working on a Windows PC. Every time I start up Win 7 there are more updates to install, and most of the time they require a restart, sometimes more than one restart. It’s annoying as all heck.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:55:16pm

re: #109 Charles

But… but… video games!

111 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:56:51pm

re: #108 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. I recall sometime way back, there used to be a commenter here that was quite aggravated by the fact that I had sired no offspring, and had no intention of doing so in the future. Fundamentalists are the kwaziest peoples.

In truth, there needs to be a minimum of 2.1 children per couple to keep the population level the same.

112 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:56:56pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

But… but… video games!

This.

113 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:57:06pm

re: #102 freetoken

That democracy is a heresy was a common theme of Rushdoony and his son-in-law Gary North, and their followers, quite some time ago. It appears that idea is gaining ground.

Speaking of heresy, these clowns would soon be gathering bundles to smoke some Lutherans.

114 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:57:22pm

re: #109 Charles

I swear - I don’t know how people stand working on a Windows PC. Every time I start up Win 7 there are more updates to install, and most of the time they require a restart, sometimes more than one restart. It’s annoying as all heck.

Yeah, it sucks. My next PC should, hopefully, be a Mac. As long as it can play some of the games that I have, I’ll be happy. Windows sucks like hell.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:59:02pm

re: #111 Ericus58

In truth, there needs to be a minimum of 2.1 children per couple to keep the population level the same.

Well, I don’t think we need to keep the pop level the same. Do not take this to mean I am in favor of forced depopulation, though.

Also, there are plenty of families out there taking up my slack, what with them having spawn in the double digits.

116 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:59:12pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

But… but… video games!

Unfortunately, that is really all windows has left going for it, imo. It’s the only reason it has a partition on my machine rather than just being relegated to a virtual machine within linux for the odd productivity app that won’t run in linux.

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 1:59:31pm

Harry Potter style:

Yo momma so fat the hat sorted her into the House of Pancakes

118 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:00:26pm

re: #115 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, I don’t think we need to keep the pop level the same. Do not take this to mean I am in favor of forced depopulation, though.

Also, there are plenty of families out there taking up my slack, what with them having spawn in the double digits.

WE MUST SPAWN!!!
PRO-CREATE!!
DESTINY!!

119 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:00:32pm

re: #111 Ericus58

In truth, there needs to be a minimum of 2.1 children per couple to keep the population level the same.

We could sustain a slow population decline for a long long time, as a species. We don’t need billions to keep the species going.

120 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:01:06pm

re: #114 commadore183

Yeah, it sucks. My next PC should, hopefully, be a Mac. As long as it can play some of the games that I have, I’ll be happy. Windows sucks like hell.

The newer Macs can run Windows as well, so you can conceivably have the best (or worst) of both worlds.

121 M. Dubious  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:01:27pm

re: #109 Charles

PC fanatics put up with all the shenanigans because of the smooth interface and the modern, yet timeless, computer designs.

122 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:02:01pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

The newer Macs can run Windows as well, so you can conceivably have the best (or worst) of both worlds.

I run Win 7 in a VMWare Fusion sandbox on my Mac Pro.

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:02:16pm

re: #116 Fozzie Bear

It’s the only reason I cling viciously to my copy of XP. That, and a lack of funds.

124 Kruk  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:02:21pm

re: #109 Charles

I swear - I don’t know how people stand working on a Windows PC. Every time I start up Win 7 there are more updates to install, and most of the time they require a restart, sometimes more than one restart. It’s annoying as all heck.

My wife and I got an I-pad a few months ago, and it’s completely changed how deal with my windows PC. I do what I have to on that, and everything else on the I-pad.

125 Obdicut  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:02:30pm

re: #116 Fozzie Bear

Unfortunately, that is really all windows has left going for it, imo. It’s the only reason it has a partition on my machine rather than just being relegated to a virtual machine within linux for the odd productivity app that won’t run in linux.

I have it because I need it for work.

126 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:02:49pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

The newer Macs can run Windows as well, so you can conceivably have the best (or worst) of both worlds.

Cool. As long as I can play Battlefield 1942 and some of the mods for it, I’ll be happy.

I don’t have any experience using a Mac PC, so it would be a bit of a learning experience.

127 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:03:34pm

Offtopic:

This is why electronic profiling and tracking is a very important issue:

Ha. The @forsoothsayer wifi wouldn’t work as long as @mobinil was my network. They were blocking my phone selectively. Motherfuckers. #jan25

128 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:04:42pm

re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth

It’s the only reason I cling viciously to my copy of XP. That, and a lack of funds.

I like XP a lot for running in VM’s. I have a hacked-down version of XP SP3 (lots of unnecessary services removed) that I use in VM’s, and it runs very nicely in a VM, in very little ram.

129 Kruk  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:04:55pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

The newer Macs can run Windows as well, so you can conceivably have the best (or worst) of both worlds.

Oooh, cool. I’m giving serious thought to getting a Mac when my PC dies.

130 iossarian  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:05:16pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I have it because I need it for work.

As much as I hate windows, MS Office is unfortunately the only decent office suite out there (I say unfortunately because it has shortcomings itself). And it’s only bearable on Windows (or on linux/wine) - the Mac version is seven shades of turrible.

re: #122 Charles

I run Win 7 in a VMWare Fusion sandbox on my Mac Pro.

Performance of Win 7 in Parallels is horrible for me - I had to go back to XP.

131 Skeetghazi  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:07:56pm

SPUDNUT!

(just had to)

132 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:08:00pm

Need to get busy. Peach out, folks.

133 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:08:06pm

re: #130 iossarian

In general, in linux, if it runs in wine, it’s by far preferable to running in a VM. Wine is a lifesaver. I’ve only discovered one or two programs which I like that won’t run in it, and often they run faster and smoother than they do natively in windows. (network apps in particular, due to windows’ craptastic network stack.)

134 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:08:29pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

I’ve never heard anybody express such a view in any Church, even in the most fundamentalist ones. Let’s not go overboard here.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:08:35pm

re: #109 Charles

I swear - I don’t know how people stand working on a Windows PC. Every time I start up Win 7 there are more updates to install, and most of the time they require a restart, sometimes more than one restart. It’s annoying as all heck.

um well, let’s see

Been doing it for 20-odd years, since the 386 DOS days, I haven’t really had to deal with windows restarts under my 64 bit version of Win7, but that’s because it’s my primary machine, I remember one reboot a couple weeks ago that I just put off until I went to bed. I’ve never had Win7 crash on me.

But A) games and the games biz B) more and better apps for what I need C) everything’s cheaper D) everything is easier to tweak and mess with, E) more software for PC in general

The thing about games, is to me, they’re an art form, especially the indie games scene. The majority of the good stuff coming out of indie games culture is on windows. So having a Mac is just not something I can justify, it’d be like going to a Amazon and finding out you can’t read most of the books there, that they’re just magically unavailable.

They’re cool machines, though, many of my friends have them, but they’re not right for me at all. The downsides of the Mac are dealbreakers, whereas the downsides of the PC (Windows isn’t as elegant) well, I’ve gotten pretty good at Playing Windows since 3.1, so it’s cool :D Win7 to me is so well put together than I really couldn’t have hoped for a better OS for what I need it to do.

136 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:08:37pm

re: #119 Fozzie Bear

We could sustain a slow population decline for a long long time, as a species. We don’t need billions to keep the species going.

ah, but which population will be the one to take the decline? Methinks there would be a refusal by some nations/ethnic groups to this… “We are not going to be weak and ‘those’ guys strong!”

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:08:48pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

I realize E is totally redundant :D

138 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:09:41pm

XP Pro user here. Though I use Apple Safari as my main Browser. Wife has Vista Home on Her desktop and Windows 7 on her laptop. I despise them both.

139 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:10:02pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

In general, in linux, if it runs in wine, it’s by far preferable to running in a VM. Wine is a lifesaver. I’ve only discovered one or two programs which I like that won’t run in it, and often they run faster and smoother than they do natively in windows. (network apps in particular, due to windows’ craptastic network stack.)

Problem with Wine is it don’t play well with these ;-)

140 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:10:09pm

Alaska must release Palin e-mails by May 31, state AG declares

The state of Alaska has until May 31 to release about 25,000 pages of e-mails from former Gov. Sarah Palin and senior members of her administration, the state attorney general declared Wednesday.

As we reported last month, by May the delays in dealing with public records from the Palin administration will have stretched out longer than the Palin administration itself. She was governor for 966 days. By May 31, the request from msnbc.com for the official records will be 986 days old. State regulations usually require records to be made available within 10 days, but state officials said they were overwhelmed by the volume of the e-mails.

Officials in the governor’s office asked the attorney general to approve a 15th delay in the process, until May 31. That request was approved Wednesday by the new attorney general, John J. Burns.

25,000 pages of (probably) misspelled, barely coherent emails. I feel for the luckless few who have to review them.

141 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:11:02pm

For Windows users, I reccomend PRCView for task management and process viewing. Its great for tracking whats using what.

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:11:10pm

re: #138 Bubblehead II

XP Pro user here. Though I use Apple Safari as my main Browser. Wife has Vista Home on Her desktop and Windows 7 on her laptop. I despise them both.

Windows 7 on my studio machine is a dream come true :D I also have an XP machine, a tablet PC I use to record music/experiment with guitar noise, but I’m getting spoiled by the 7 machine.

143 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:11:16pm

re: #136 Ericus58

ah, but which population will be the one to take the decline? Methinks there would be a refusal by some nations/ethnic groups to this… “We are not going to be weak and ‘those’ guys strong!”

I’ll happily volunteer my own genes to be under-represented. Regardless, an honest consideration of the population issue leads to the inevitable conclusion that it really is an environmental issue, imo.

144 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:11:47pm

re: #140 commadore183

Alaska must release Palin e-mails by May 31, state AG declares


25,000 pages of (probably) misspelled, barely coherent emails. I feel for the luckless few who have to review them.

I wonder how many are requests for clarification, chain letters and lolcats.

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:12:12pm

re: #140 commadore183

Alaska must release Palin e-mails by May 31, state AG declares


25,000 pages of (probably) misspelled, barely coherent emails. I feel for the luckless few who have to review them.

Article I saw said that MSNBC (among others) planned on setting them up in a searchable format. I’m sure there are some smoking gun memos of her saying something extremely stupid or insulting.

146 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:12:45pm

re: #134 ElCapitanAmerica

I’ve never heard anybody express such a view in any Church, even in the most fundamentalist ones. Let’s not go overboard here.

I doubt you’ve been able to cover more than a tiny fraction of churches in this country. There’s a video of a guy saying stuff, does it have to be something you’ve heard in person to be a concern?

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:13:13pm

re: #120 Slumbering Behemoth

The newer Macs can run Windows as well, so you can conceivably have the best (or worst) of both worlds.

the problem with running Windows on a Mac is device drivers, if you’re just using software, you’re probably in great shape, but the instant you need hardware to talk to windows inside a Mac, it becomes no longer worth it :P

148 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:13:35pm

re: #144 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I wonder how many are requests for clarification, chain letters and lolcats.

There’s probably a lot of incoming emails to her office saying some variation of “I’m sorry, I just don’t understand your last email. Could you rephrase that in something resembling proper sentence structure?”

149 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:13:52pm

re: #134 ElCapitanAmerica

I’ve never heard anybody express such a view in any Church, even in the most fundamentalist ones. Let’s not go overboard here.

You didn’t go to my seminary.

150 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:13:59pm

re: #145 oaktree

Article I saw said that MSNBC (among others) planned on setting them up in a searchable format. I’m sure there are some smoking gun memos of her saying something extremely stupid or insulting.

And they will be distinguishable from the rest of the body of her works how?

151 Ericus58  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:14:00pm

re: #143 Fozzie Bear

I’ll happily volunteer my own genes to be under-represented. Regardless, an honest consideration of the population issue leads to the inevitable conclusion that it really is an environmental issue, imo.

Whoa now!
Let’s not get hasty about it - the world can always use a cuddly Fozzie Bear to make our worries seem not so scary.

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:14:52pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Watch: Catholic TV anchor explains why America needs a Christian dictator

hahaha the Catholics in America would be the first to be fucked if there were a Christian dictator, because it’d be a baptist :D

153 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:14:58pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

the problem with running Windows on a Mac is device drivers, if you’re just using software, you’re probably in great shape, but the instant you need hardware to talk to windows inside a Mac, it becomes no longer worth it :P

The newer intel-based Macs really aren’t anything other than PC’s with a single DRM chip on the motherboard to tell the MacOS that it’s a Mac.

They really are literally just overpriced but well-designed PC’s.

154 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:15:25pm

re: #152 WindUpBird

hahaha the Catholics in America would be the first to be fucked if there were a Christian dictator, because it’d be a baptist :D

They can dream.

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:16:23pm

re: #153 Fozzie Bear

The newer intel-based Macs really aren’t anything other than PC’s with a single DRM chip on the motherboard to tell the MacOS that it’s a Mac.

They really are literally just overpriced but well-designed PC’s.

I know it, I’ve still heard about issues from my friends with Wacom gear *_*

156 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:16:24pm

re: #152 WindUpBird

hahaha the Catholics in America would be the first to be fucked if there were a Christian dictator, because it’d be a baptist :D

Yep. The irony of it is if there is ever a Christian theocracy in the US, the Jews and Catholics will be the first ones to get fucked by the regime.

157 Kragar  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:17:02pm

re: #148 Fozzie Bear

There’s probably a lot of incoming emails to her office saying some variation of “I’m sorry, I just don’t understand your last email. Could you rephrase that in something resembling proper sentence structure?”

My all time favorite emails, the bulletin that gets sent to the entire organization, which you get again about 5 minutes later with the message FYI from some busy body.

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:17:15pm

re: #156 Fozzie Bear

Yep. The irony of it is if there is ever a Christian theocracy in the US, the Jews and Catholics will be the first ones to get fucked by the regime.

“Christain Dictator” sounds like a punk band :D

159 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:17:43pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

Well it is just me. Once I get used to an OS and know how to tweak it, I don’t like to change. Hell I didn’t upgrade to XP until MS quit doing updates for 98 and I am still using Office 2000.

160 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:18:02pm

re: #89 Buck

Microsoft said it sold 8 million Kinect units in 60 days. This is going to be HUGE.

I really think this is the start of a new way to interact with a computer, TV or almost anything.

I’ve used one, the dancing and bowling games are quite remarkable

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:19:08pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

And they will be distinguishable from the rest of the body of her works how?

Her email system while governor had a working spellchecker? ;)

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:19:32pm

re: #159 Bubblehead II

Well it is just me. Once I get used to an OS and know how to tweak it, I don’t like to change. Hell I didn’t upgrade to XP until MS quit doing updates for 98 and I am still using Office 2000.

I’m the same way, I was using Windows 2000 for YEARS. :D But I do really dig 7, I customized it to behave somewhat more like XP re: start menu, and I’m gold. I still use windows in the same way I always have.

163 Kruk  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:19:56pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

They can dream.

I’m pretty sure everyone who longs for a benign dictatorship imagines they and theirs will be holding the reins. There are going to be some pretty disappointed people come the revolution.

164 General Nimrod Bodfish  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:20:14pm

re: #145 oaktree

Article I saw said that MSNBC (among others) planned on setting them up in a searchable format. I’m sure there are some smoking gun memos of her saying something extremely stupid or insulting.

If MSNBC goes through with that, it would lower the collective IQ of the Internet massively, as well as the IQs of the people reading it (or trying to read it).

165 albusteve  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:20:37pm

re: #150 Walter L. Newton

And they will be distinguishable from the rest of the body of her works how?

what did I miss?…why are these emails important?

166 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:21:14pm

re: #163 Kruk

I’m pretty sure everyone who longs for a benign dictatorship imagines they and theirs will be holding the reins. There are going to be some pretty disappointed people come the revolution.

The revolution will not be televised on EWTN.

167 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:21:59pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

// Change = Bad!

Sometimes. By holding off I avoided that disaster called ME.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:23:05pm

re: #167 Bubblehead II

// Change = Bad!

Sometimes. By holding off I avoided that disaster called ME.

I timed my second PC purchase just right to end up with a Win ME machine…

169 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:23:56pm

re: #168 oaktree

I timed my second PC purchase just right to end up with a Win ME machine…

Oh GOD, I got one of those, immediately wiped it and put 98 back on

170 theheat  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:27:19pm

re: #111 Ericus58

In truth, I don’t find any way to necessitate having 2.1 children per couple when there are finite resources and problems with starvation and energy sources, already.

Frankly, I don’t relish the thought of being packed in like sardines, fighting for food, wishing for green grass, blue sky, and some space.

171 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:27:24pm

re: #168 oaktree

ME was supposed to be a bridge between 98 and Windows 2K. It was one of MS most glaring fails. Though iirc 2000 was supposed to be a Windows NT hybrid.

172 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:27:25pm

re: #169 WindUpBird

Oh GOD, I got one of those, immediately wiped it and put 98 back on

Bought a laptop with Win Vista. They wanted to charge me 40.00 to purge it and downgrade to Win98. I’d like you to meet my new Linux machine.

173 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:30:05pm

Hey Reine! If you are still on this thread (or using Spy), have you ever done any Clay Pot Cooking?

174 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:33:58pm

Moving up thread ——->

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:35:08pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Bought a laptop with Win Vista. They wanted to charge me 40.00 to purge it and downgrade to Win98. I’d like you to meet my new Linux machine.

it’s because it’s that OEM deal, you have to pay extra for the XP downgrade as well


Linux is a cool thing I support but which i cannot have :D

176 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:37:04pm

re: #171 Bubblehead II

ME was supposed to be a bridge between 98 and Windows 2K. It was one of MS most glaring fails. Though iirc 2000 was supposed to be a Windows NT hybrid.

2000 is the most stable operating system i’ve ever used, a pleasure to run on my old thinkpad.

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 2:40:54pm

re: #176 wozzablog

2000 is the most stable operating system i’ve ever used, a pleasure to run on my old thinkpad.

2000 was nice!

178 Lidane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 3:24:39pm

re: #109 Charles

At this point, I’m just used to my blah HP laptop. My next one will likely be a Mac, but that’s at least a year off, since I can’t afford a new computer right now. I think it will be a nice graduation gift for myself.

My information systems prof can’t stand Windows, but he also can’t understand why so many people in the class have Macs. To him, the ideal system is a PC with Ubuntu running on it. It’s made for interesting conversations so far.

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 4:13:54pm

re: #178 Lidane

At this point, I’m just used to my blah HP laptop. My next one will likely be a Mac, but that’s at least a year off, since I can’t afford a new computer right now. I think it will be a nice graduation gift for myself.

My information systems prof can’t stand Windows, but he also can’t understand why so many people in the class have Macs. To him, the ideal system is a PC with Ubuntu running on it. It’s made for interesting conversations so far.

The problem with those guys is they think everyone has their needs ;-)

180 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 4:17:20pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Watch: Catholic TV anchor explains why America needs a Christian dictator

That’s some scary sh-t!

181 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 4:22:29pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

The problem with those guys is they think everyone has their needs ;-)

Really, for most casual users, Ubuntu (or any number of other user-friendly linux distros) does do anything you want.

It only requires specialized knowledge if you want to try to make it do things it isn’t designed to do out of the box. (Such as running windows programs.)

Linux can be a pain in the ass at first, but once you are out of the tricky part of the learning curve, it’s delightfully simple to use. Why fish through menus looking for icons when there is a command for literally everything?

182 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 4:29:22pm

re: #181 Fozzie Bear

Really, for most casual users, Ubuntu (or any number of other user-friendly linux distros) does do anything you want.

It only requires specialized knowledge if you want to try to make it do things it isn’t designed to do out of the box. (Such as running windows programs.)

Linux can be a pain in the ass at first, but once you are out of the tricky part of the learning curve, it’s delightfully simple to use. Why fish through menus looking for icons when there is a command for literally everything?

if I had a netbook and it wasn’t a thing for art, I’d have ubuntu on it! I’ve seen it fly on an Acer Aspire One.

183 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 4:38:41pm

re: #182 WindUpBird

if I had a netbook and it wasn’t a thing for art, I’d have ubuntu on it! I’ve seen it fly on an Acer Aspire One.

It’s perfect for netbooks, due to the relatively light kernel. Though, for a netbook, I Ubuntu wouldn’t be my first choice. Ubuntu comes with all sorts of extras compiled into the kernel that just aren’t necessary for a netbook.

Arch Linux makes my little 10” dell mini atom-based netbook fly, but… Arch Linux isn’t the easiest distro to install and get a graphical desktop running. The strength (and weakness) of distros like Arch is that they come with nothing bundles. Nothing. You get a command line and a network stack. It’s up to the user to build their OS from there from the ground up. From one perspective, it means that you get a perfectly customized lean and mean OS that does exactly what you need it to. From another perspective, its a pain in the ass to get up and running.

I highly recommend Arch (and its amazing package manager, pacman) to anyone that wants to tinker with a more nerdy OS, and wants bleeding-edge software in a stable platform.

184 Lidane  Thu, Jan 27, 2011 4:47:09pm

re: #179 WindUpBird

The problem with those guys is they think everyone has their needs ;-)

He also wants me to itemize and build a shopping list for a PACS server. I didn’t even know what the hell a PACS server was, but I know now. Heh.

This is going to be an interesting class, I just know it.


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