House Republicans Plan to Redefine Rape to Cut Abortion Funding

GOP says to raped women: you’re on your own

WingnutsJanuary 2011 • Views: 39,418

The inhuman, misogynistic “social conservative” side of the right wing has been getting steadily more aggressive since the election of Barack Obama, and now House Republicans have introduced a bill called the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act” (dubbed a top priority by Speaker John Boehner) that will redefine rape in order to eliminate federal abortion funding in many cases.

The disgusting rhetorical trick the GOP is using to promote this bill: they want to limit the rape exemption to “forcible rape” (a term that has no legal definition). Under the proposed law, for example, women who become pregnant after being drugged and raped would get no assistance. And children molested by sexual predators would get no assistance unless they were sufficiently beaten.

With this legislation, which was introduced last week by Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), Republicans propose that the rape exemption be limited to “forcible rape.” This would rule out federal assistance for abortions in many rape cases, including instances of statutory rape, many of which are non-forcible. For example: If a 13-year-old girl is impregnated by a 24-year-old adult, she would no longer qualify to have Medicaid pay for an abortion. (Smith’s spokesman did not respond to a call and an email requesting comment.) …

“This bill takes us back to a time when just saying ‘no’ wasn’t enough to qualify as rape,” says Steph Sterling, a lawyer and senior adviser to the National Women’s Law Center. Laurie Levenson, a former assistant US attorney and expert on criminal law at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, notes that the new bill’s authors are “using language that’s not particularly clear, and some people are going to lose protection.” Other types of rapes that would no longer be covered by the exemption include rapes in which the woman was drugged or given excessive amounts of alcohol, rapes of women with limited mental capacity, and many date rapes. “There are a lot of aspects of rape that are not included,” Levenson says.

As for the incest exception, the bill would only allow federally funded abortions if the woman is under 18.

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84 comments

Obdicut Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:53:12am

Fucking insanity. There is no positive benefit from these laws. At all. This is just chipping away at abortion rights, trying to make it harder and more humiliating for women to get abortions.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:56:08am

so much for jobs being the focus of the republican majority.

darthstar Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:58:17am

re: #2 Dreggas

so much for jobs being the focus of the republican majority.

Fucking over women and children is a full-time job for them.

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:00:31am

...But the Helms and Hyde Amendments are barriers cruelly targeted at poor women, immigrants, women of color and women living in the global south dependant on public health services. Stories highlighted through Gosnell’s grand jury report and the coverage of his West Philadelphia office of horrors should be a clarion call to all of us that poor women deserve better.

The Hyde and Helms Amendments should be tossed out altogether.

recusancy Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:02:56am

re: #3 darthstar

Fucking over women and children is a full-time job for them.

And non-white and non-christian people too. Don't forget about them.

EdDantes Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:03:01am

"For example: If a 13-year-old girl is impregnated by a 24-year-old adult, she would no longer qualify to have Medicaid pay for an abortion. "

Sex with a 13 year old is plainly rape: She cannot give consent.

abbyadams Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:03:06am

Good thing I've got plenty of ice and bandages, because it looks like my jaw's going to be hitting the floor a lot over the next couple of years.

darthstar Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:04:06am

re: #6 EdDantes

"For example: If a 13-year-old girl is impregnated by a 24-year-old adult, she would no longer qualify to have Medicaid pay for an abortion. "

Sex with a 13 year old is plainly rape: She cannot give consent.

It only counts if she's beaten and forced - according to Boehner...fucking prick.

Obdicut Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:04:18am

re: #6 EdDantes

The GOP doesn't care. They just want to limit women-- and girls'-- access to abortions.

iossarian Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:05:01am

re: #6 EdDantes

"For example: If a 13-year-old girl is impregnated by a 24-year-old adult, she would no longer qualify to have Medicaid pay for an abortion. "

Sex with a 13 year old is plainly rape: She cannot give consent.

It's statutory rape, that's the whole point. Because the consent is determined by age and not by behavior (saying no, etc.), it's not "forcible rape".

iossarian Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:05:57am

Anyone who voted for any of these bastards, even the so-called friendly ones on the West Coast, ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Obdicut Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:06:07am

re: #8 darthstar

It only counts if she's beaten and forced - according to Boehner...fucking prick.

It's important to note this is not coming from the fringe of the GOP. This has a huge number of Republican co-sponsors.

It has a few Democrats as co-sponsors too, so those defending the GOP will have them to point out as this being 'bi-partisan' and saying the issue crosses party lines.

Kragar Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:06:40am

You fucking bastards.

SpaceJesus Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:06:53am

Disgusting. The GOP is one giant scum machine.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:12:10am

Sarah Palin doubles down on the Derp: Defends her Sputnik claim and plugs a Washington coffee shop as proof (or something)...
On Sputnik vs. Spudnut

Now, in a recent interview I mentioned analogies that could relate to solutions to our economic challenges, including the difference between a communist government’s “Sputnik” and the private sector’s “Spudnut.” The analogies I mentioned obviously aren’t comparable in size, but highlight a clear difference in economic focus: big government command and control economies vs. America’s small businesses.

If you’re near Richland, WA, you should stop by The Spudnut Shop, where you’ll find an all-American success story of a family owned small business that for over 60 years has been serving up a product that people want to buy. Businesses like this coffee shop don’t receive big government bailouts.

Interesting Times Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:13:02am

re: #14 SpaceJesus

Disgusting. The GOP is one giant scum machine.

They believe in "protecting innocent life" (as opposed to all that disgusting guilty life that's already been born)

jamesfirecat Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:14:45am

Oh GOP will you ever stop finding new ways to make me glad I'm a democrat?

EdDantes Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:14:52am

re: #9 Obdicut

The GOP doesn't care. They just want to limit women-- and girls'-- access to abortions.

They GOP is waaaay! off on this. I'm a Republican and I have no explanation for this travesty.

abbyadams Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:16:10am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

One of Sullivan's Readers writes:

The Spudnut shop Palin speaks of is half a mile from my house in Richland, WA and it's really good (the secret is potato flour in the batter). She may not realize that the federal government buys most of those doughnuts: the annual budget for cleanup of the nearby Hanford Nuclear Reservation is more than $2 billion, employing about 11,000 workers, and spudnuts are the pastry of choice at meetings there.

lulz.

Obdicut Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:16:18am

re: #18 EdDantes

The explanation is that the GOP has been hijacked away from anyone remotely sensible, like yourself, and simply turned into a combination of absolute corporatism and ultraconservative Christian theocracy.

It sucks.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:17:00am

re: #19 abbyadams

One of Sullivan's Readers writes:

The Spudnut shop Palin speaks of is half a mile from my house in Richland, WA and it's really good (the secret is potato flour in the batter). She may not realize that the federal government buys most of those doughnuts: the annual budget for cleanup of the nearby Hanford Nuclear Reservation is more than $2 billion, employing about 11,000 workers, and spudnuts are the pastry of choice at meetings there.

lulz.

Ha!

elizajane Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:17:03am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Sarah Palin doubles down on the Derp: Defends her Sputnik claim and plugs a Washington coffee shop as proof (or something)...
On Sputnik vs. Spudnut

I read about this in a reader comment on another blog but here it is from Moderate Voice: Spudnut is basically living off the Federal Govt. which employs 11,000 avid sputnut-eaters nearby. That commenter added that it's the potato meal in the flour that attracts nuts to the spuds. Just so you know.

"Now what she fails to mention is that, if it were not for federal dollars, Richland, Washington would be a wide spot in the road, if that. Richland, Washington exists because of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation – without that, Richland, Washington and Sarah’s spudnut shop would not exist. But we can’t really expect Sarah to understand since without Federal dollars her state of Alaska would not be a viable state. The people of Alaska were wise enough to realize that and went to the trouble to write in Lisa Murkowski and defeat Palin’s uber-wingnut candidate Joe Miller."

[Link: themoderatevoice.com...]

Randall Gross Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:17:19am

the theocratic sunsabitches

Tigger2 Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:17:20am

re: #2 Dreggas

so much for jobs being the focus of the republican majority.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:18:45am

re: #10 iossarian

It's statutory rape, that's the whole point. Because the consent is determined by age and not by behavior (saying no, etc.), it's not "forcible rape".

Used to be, if you were going to bring rape charges, you'd better be pretty bruised up.

Lovely. We're going back.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:19:52am

When there's a fire hose between you and Mecca

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:20:00am

re: #12 Obdicut

It's important to note this is not coming from the fringe of the GOP. This has a huge number of Republican co-sponsors.

It has a few Democrats as co-sponsors too, so those defending the GOP will have them to point out as this being 'bi-partisan' and saying the issue crosses party lines.

Who are those Democrats?

theheat Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:20:20am

If anyone still believes the Republican party has a single saving grace that can outshine their efforts to take humanity back to the dark ages, please do raise your hand.

EdDantes Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:20:28am

I first registered to vote as a Democrat, became disillusioned, switched to Republican. I'm running out of parties.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:21:04am

re: #29 EdDantes

I first registered to vote as a Democrat, became disillusioned, switched to Republican. I'm running out of parties.

Welcome to the club.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:21:34am

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Sarah Palin doubles down on the Derp: Defends her Sputnik claim and plugs a Washington coffee shop as proof (or something)...
On Sputnik vs. Spudnut

I've gotten pretty good at interpreting what Palin is talking about, but this one is really, really out there.

Summer Seale Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:22:03am

Well, all I can cheerfully say is that somebody ought to respond by introducing a bill which redefines bodily assault to exclude anyone who actually voted in favor of this vile piece of shit.

Their words are going to directly torture, maim, and kill innocent people. I see no reason why I should restrain my rhetoric at this point.

Obdicut Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:23:14am

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

The only list I can find is at a pro-life website I don't want to post here. There's ten of them. There's a hundred and forty-seven Republicans.

Tigger2 Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:23:21am

re: #24 Tigger2

For some reason the rest of my comment didn't post, lets try again.

That is all we heard from the GOP leadership for two years was
" Where Are The Jobs" it was their battle cry.

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:24:04am

re: #29 EdDantes

I first registered to vote as a Democrat, became disillusioned, switched to Republican. I'm running out of parties.

Where's Ojoe?

Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:24:09am

They could go on to redefine "robbery" to exclude anything but armed robbery.

recusancy Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:24:20am

OT: I have a question. Why have the Palestinian Papers not been discussed here at all?

Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:24:32am

Even for the GOP this is sick and evil. There was never a major party in America more hell bent on spreading immorality, callous evil, heartlessness and arrogant stupidity wrapped into one smug, cruel package. They have no souls.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:25:02am

re: #29 EdDantes

I first registered to vote as a Democrat, became disillusioned, switched to Republican. I'm running out of parties.

Check out this list.

Granted, many of them are Nazis, Marxists, or otherwise undesirable, but you might find something in there you like the looks of.

Gus Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:25:03am

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Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:25:36am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I've gotten pretty good at interpreting what Palin is talking about, but this one is really, really out there.

I couldn't follow it either. She and some Breitbart blogger claim that Russia was indeed running a budget deficit with Sputnik and ignore the facts because they can easily be found on Wikipedia.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:25:54am

re: #33 Obdicut

The only list I can find is at a pro-life website I don't want to post here. There's ten of them. There's a hundred and forty-seven Republicans.

I'll go looking later. I can mail ten letters.

Killgore Trout Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:26:24am

re: #37 recusancy

OT: I have a question. Why have the Palestinian Papers not been discussed here at all?

We talked about them a little bit but there's not much to discuss. It's all old previously reported information.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:26:27am

re: #37 recusancy

OT: I have a question. Why have the Palestinian Papers not been discussed here at all?

People have talked about them, but we haven't had a dedicated thread yet.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:26:28am

re: #9 Obdicut

The GOP doesn't care. They just want to limit women-- and girls'-- access to abortions.

But watch as scantily clothed RW pundits sell out their sisters. I know I phrased this point terribly last time, but I hope stuff like this makes it a little more clear why I am so furious.

recusancy Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:31:48am

Speaking of bigots, Gov. Kasich To Black Lawmaker: ‘I Don’t Need Your People’

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:33:01am

re: #46 recusancy

Speaking of bigots, Gov. Kasich To Black Lawmaker: ‘I Don’t Need Your People’

WOW.

SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:34:29am

re: #46 recusancy

Speaking of bigots, Gov. Kasich To Black Lawmaker: ‘I Don’t Need Your People’

At least...at least he didn't say 'you people'.

///infinity

prairiefire Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:35:10am

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

I find I have no clue as to these women's thought processes. They seem to find a lot of validation by clinging to these (misogynistic) right wing "ideals".
I would rather stuff a towel down my throat.

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:38:28am

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

But watch as scantily clothed RW pundits sell out their sisters. I know I phrased this point terribly last time, but I hope stuff like this makes it a little more clear why I am so furious.

Not all female humans are my sisters. Hell, I have three actual sisters, and I could do without one or two of them.

albusteve Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:38:30am

weeeeee!!!
freefall

Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:38:33am

re: #49 prairiefire

I find I have no clue as to these women's thought processes. They seem to find a lot of validation by clinging to these (misogynistic) right wing "ideals".
I would rather stuff a towel down my throat.

Thanks Prairie!

I really, really don't get it. I think I am so angry at them because they are smart enough to know just how much they are selling their fellow women out.

EdDantes Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:38:36am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

Check out this list.

Granted, many of them are Nazis, Marxists, or otherwise undesirable, but you might find something in there you like the looks of.

First, I'll have to put on my peril sensitive sunglasses.

EdDantes Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:39:35am

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Where's Ojoe?

Who is Ojoe?

albusteve Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:40:55am

re: #54 EdDantes

Who is Ojoe?

a very likable, old time poster that some people rag on because he promotes the Whig Party....a good reason to belittle him, eh?

prairiefire Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:42:20am

re: #47 Dreggas

WOW.

I remember seeing Kasich as a talking head, republican pundit on TV during the Bush years. I thought he seemed very disagreeable.

recusancy Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:43:14am

re: #56 prairiefire

I remember seeing Kasich as a talking head, republican pundit on TV during the Bush years. I thought he seemed very disagreeable.

On Fox

CarleeCork Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:43:41am

re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist

I've gotten pretty good at interpreting what Palin is talking about, but this one is really, really out there.

Yet her faithful followers still worship at her feet.

Mad Prophet Ludwig Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:43:41am

re: #50 wrenchwench

Not all female humans are my sisters. Hell, I have three actual sisters, and I could do without one or two of them.

It's interesting you said that. When I saw the Sarah Palin Battle Hymn of the Republic, I commented to my brother and sister that I really want to believe that we could not produce viable offspring with such folks and that we actually have speciated. I know that isn't true, but it would make me feel much better if it were.

EdDantes Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:44:18am

re: #55 albusteve

a very likable, old time poster that some people rag on because he promotes the Whig Party...a good reason to belittle him, eh?

Ah! That was Ojoe. I remember someone sent a link to that party.

abbyadams Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:44:43am

re: #46 recusancy

*BANG* There goes that jaw again. Twice in one thread!!!

wrenchwench Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:47:38am

re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote

It's interesting you said that. When I saw the Sarah Palin Battle Hymn of the Republic, I commented to my brother and sister that I really want to believe that we could not produce viable offspring with such folks and that we actually have speciated. I know that isn't true, but it would make me feel much better if it were.

I don't mind my sisters being the same species, it's just the "same family" part I could do without. Last time the family gathered, I hung out with the inlaws. My mean siblings have landed some really nice spouses.

prairiefire Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:49:09am

re: #57 recusancy

On Fox

He showed up a couple of times on CNN and MSNBC, IIRC.

andres Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:53:55am

re: #51 albusteve

weee!!!
freefall

We rarely agree, but today we do.

This is a shameful and disgusting piece of s... legislation.

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 28, 2011 11:57:30am

I don't get it at all.

makeitstop Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:02:57pm

The old question 'What fresh hell awaits?' just does not capture what these sons of bitches spew on a daily basis.

I do not want the America they are trying to create. No part of it.

CarleeCork Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:11:36pm

re: #66 makeitstop

The old question 'What fresh hell awaits?' just does not capture what these sons of bitches spew on a daily basis.

I do not want the America they are trying to create. No part of it.

I wish I could highlight and upding this comment over and over again. This Country is heading down a scary road with blind drivers.

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:27:04pm

re: #54 EdDantes

Who is Ojoe?

A good old poster who used to push for the Modern Whig party relentlessly.

moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:34:59pm

I need a registered Republican to expalin to me right fucking now what redeeming qualities the GOP has left. This shit and all of the other crazy bs these people are doing is fringe anymore. It fucking mainstream. So I'm sorry, but you have some explaining to do because right now I hate every single person in this country that voted GOP. What is it about the GOP that you are still pretending to not understand and about how they behave once they have power. There is no more plausible deniability. They are all batshit crazy, encouraging crazy, appealing to crazy or ignoring crazy. So seriously, what do you have to say for yourselves?

Decatur Deb Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:37:16pm

re: #69 moderatelyradicalliberal

I need a registered Republican to expalin to me right fucking now what redeeming qualities the GOP has left. This shit and all of the other crazy bs these people are doing is fringe anymore. It fucking mainstream. So I'm sorry, but you have some explaining to do because right now I hate every single person in this country that voted GOP. What is it about the GOP that you are still pretending to not understand and about how they behave once they have power. There is no more plausible deniability. They are all batshit crazy, encouraging crazy, appealing to crazy or ignoring crazy. So seriously, what do you have to say for yourselves?

Would you settle for an informative pamphlet or colorful brochure?

moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:46:31pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Would you settle for an informative pamphlet or colorful brochure?

Ok, that was funny. My anger will pass because God help me I can't ever stay mad for very long, but I need someone to talk me down right now. And yes, I'm mad as hell at the Democrats for managing to lose to these jokers. Any Democrat who didn't vote is on my shit list too.

spocomptonite Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:46:54pm

re: #19 abbyadams

It goes much further than that. Eastern Washington, by and large, is completely Republican and very Tea Party/anti-government. The irony is that that entire side of the state owes its very existence to the government at least three different ways to Sunday.

-They export power to much of the West Coast through dams and and Hanford, all of which were created through government expenditures.

-The excess of power from Grand Coulee Dam enabled Grant County to create a fiber optic network direct to most people's houses over ten years ago when most people still used dial-up. Government expenditures enabled through the rewards of previous government expenditures.

-The dams are run through Public Utility districts, non-profit semi-governmental entities that provide ridiculously cheap power to the people living in the area. And businesses, too: several datacenters have sprung up amongst the potato fields becasue of the cheap power and cheap fiber. And all of it is because of government expenditures.

-The dams the government built weren't just for making power or flood control, but for irrigation. There's a half million plus acre breadbasket the government created where before there was only a rain-shadowed desert, and everyone in it either directly or indirectly owes their current job and livelihood to it.

-The Tri-Cities (Richland/Pasco/Kennewick) in particular not only benefit from being the southern terminus of the irrigation canals but also the massive government expenditures of Hanford over the decades.

The hypocrisy of being so reliant on government in so many direct and indirect ways but turning around and deploring government expenditures makes me extremely frustrated with my fellow E-WA-ers. My favorite thing to do last year was go up to anti-stimulus farmers and ask how bad the government stimulus for Grand Coulee Dam has turned out for everyone. Response: almost universal but unexplainable "That's different."

webevintage Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:06pm

"We will focus on jobs jobs jobs...well once we get done fucking over female Americans."

fucking bastards....

Naem Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:08:44pm

Y'know, I typically try and kick back, see things from as many angles as possible, and at least try and get where someones proposal comes from, but this... I just can't figure out the anatomical angles to make this one make sense... Anyone got any kind of defense for this short of a set-up for 'well, we'll compromise down to ' ?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:12:56pm

re: #74 Naem

Y'know, I typically try and kick back, see things from as many angles as possible, and at least try and get where someones proposal comes from, but this... I just can't figure out the anatomical angles to make this one make sense... Anyone got any kind of defense for this short of a set-up for 'well, we'll compromise down to ' ?

it makes sense for republicans who pander to idiotic and superstitious dominionists, basically

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:14:21pm

re: #72 spocomptonite

The hypocrisy of being so reliant on government in so many direct and indirect ways but turning around and deploring government expenditures makes me extremely frustrated with my fellow E-WA-ers. My favorite thing to do last year was go up to anti-stimulus farmers and ask how bad the government stimulus for Grand Coulee Dam has turned out for everyone. Response: almost universal but unexplainable "That's different."

Of course they have no answer *_*

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:16:37pm

re: #29 EdDantes

I first registered to vote as a Democrat, became disillusioned, switched to Republican. I'm running out of parties.

I'm disillusioned with Democrats, but really the only place I have left to go is to simply turn off the politics and never vote ;-) Because I sure as shit ain't voting for any national GOP candidate in this climate.

Wake me when theGOP decides gay people are human beings, that's my canary that will tell me that the mumbo-jumbo snake handlers and the nativist haters aren't running the show over there anymore

Mark Winter Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:28:35pm

Rape is sex without consent. Period.
Forcing a raped woman to bear the child of the rapist is double-rape and more.

Mark Winter Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:35:45pm

re: #69 moderatelyradicalliberal

I need a registered Republican to expalin to me right fucking now what redeeming qualities the GOP has left. This shit and all of the other crazy bs these people are doing is fringe anymore. It fucking mainstream. So I'm sorry, but you have some explaining to do because right now I hate every single person in this country that voted GOP. What is it about the GOP that you are still pretending to not understand and about how they behave once they have power. There is no more plausible deniability. They are all batshit crazy, encouraging crazy, appealing to crazy or ignoring crazy. So seriously, what do you have to say for yourselves?

"expalin" sounds like a great typo :-)

Lidane Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:16:45pm

re: #69 moderatelyradicalliberal

I need a registered Republican to expalin to me right fucking now what redeeming qualities the GOP has left.

There aren't any. There haven't been any redeeming qualities to the GOP in years. It's just more obvious now that the lunatics are running the asylum, scaring the more sensible people into taking several steps back in disgust.

Romantic Heretic Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:20:13pm

re: #46 recusancy

Speaking of bigots, Gov. Kasich To Black Lawmaker: ‘I Don’t Need Your People’

They don't even try to hide it any more. Sad.

Mich-again Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:44:28am

just a little perspective from Matthew 2:16

When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi.

I remember learning this story back in parochial school. Mary and Joseph got some inside information from the Angel Gabriel and took off with Jesus for Egypt before the death squads got there for everyone else's kids. God went and protected his own son and let Herod kill off all those others. Those murdered innocents would go to heaven to be with God. So for Christians, wouldn't that work the same for an aborted baby? Odd how essentially what the pro-life movement works toward is to prevent souls from going directly to heaven, making them go through the trials to get there instead.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Jan 29, 2011 7:54:58am

re: #82 Mich-again

Moreover, when you think about it, evangelism is the greatest sin, greater than murder, since it condemned billions to hell.

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