Video: Fires in Cairo at Night

The Egyptian uprising

The Mubarak regime has instituted nighttime curfews in major cities, but as you can see from this Associated Press video, demonstrators are ignoring them. The possibility of Mubarak fleeing the country is starting to look more real, as reports come in that he doesn’t have the support of the military.

Youtube Video
UPDATE at 1/28/11 12:36:37 pm

Images like this are proliferating on the net, a graphic demonstration of the outcome of 29 years of $1.2 billion annual military aid to the Mubarak regime:

Tear gas canisters used by riot police, marked “MADE IN U.S.A.”

(h/t Max Fisher.)

UPDATE at 1/28/11 2:13:43 pm

To make it worse, the tear gas used on demonstrators in Cairo had a 2008 expiration date.

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523 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:16:19pm

Saw some twitters before about protestors swarming army trucks and shaking hands with the army troops. Also, army units and protestors are both reported as defending the National Museum from looters and the fires.

Not looking good for Mubarak if those reports are true

2 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:17:39pm

Al Jazeera has the best live stream coverage of all channels.

Yes, it is that Al Jazeera. Sue me.

Link to live stream.

3 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:18:45pm

Aljazeera was just showing footage of looting. People carrying furniture and stuff.

4 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:19:01pm

If he doesn’t have the support of the military, then it looks like the military is about to select one of its own to replace him.

5 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:19:22pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

2015: An Italian worker in a Cairo hotel tells the BBC: “The protesters just broke into the hotel! They managed to open a big iron gate. We are all on the fourth floor. Really scary scenes outside and no sign of police. Just hotel security and staff trying to send away.”

6 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:19:37pm

The problem with the army rolling is nobody really knows their intent. Defuse? Defend Mubarak? Join the People? It could go any way still, regardless of the reports of signs. I’m not sure people aren’t expressing wishes rather than reality with those reports.

7 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:20:19pm

re: #5 lawhawk

2015: An Italian worker in a Cairo hotel tells the BBC: “The protesters just broke into the hotel! They managed to open a big iron gate. We are all on the fourth floor. Really scary scenes outside and no sign of police. Just hotel security and staff trying to send away.”

Yikes. That has to be scary as hell.

8 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:20:33pm

Wow, seeing those protesters hucking rocks and such at the police vehicles as they careened around that corner was…… wow.

With the Army Chief-of-Staff heading back early to Egypt, I expect the Military to have an announcement in regards to the near term…. at this junction, I don’t expect to see Mubarak address the Nation at all but be replaced and spirited out of the country.

9 simoom  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:20:52pm

re: #39 simoom

CNN Video iReport: Cairo Kasr Al Nile Bridge 3:30 pm

Protesters, on what looks like the same bridge, kneeling in prayer, as they are sprayed with a water-cannon by the police:
twitpic.com

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:21:22pm

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Saw some twitters before about protestors swarming army trucks and shaking hands with the army troops. Also, army units and protestors are both reported as defending the National Museum from looters and the fires.

Not looking good for Mubarak if those reports are true

If the army says out, he goes out. To Paris, with lots of cash, but out.

Of course, if the army is in control, where does that leave the Muslim Brotherhood?

11 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:22:19pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

If the army says out, he goes out. To Paris, with lots of cash, but out.

Of course, if the army is in control, where does that leave the Muslim Brotherhood?

out shivering on the back porch

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:22:34pm

re: #6 Thanos

The problem with the army rolling is nobody really knows their intent. Defuse? Defend Mubarak? Join the People? It could go any way still, regardless of the reports of signs. I’m not sure people aren’t expressing wishes rather than reality with those reports.

I’m assuming that at this point the army’s main objective is to keep their own power intact, and prevent things from getting too out of control.

What that will look like probably depends on a lot of factors. But so far, they seem to be using some hard common sense.

13 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:23:04pm

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

The Brotherhood is going to take advantage of images like this one to show that the security forces don’t care about religious beliefs and are far too secular. I would expect that they’ll try to make a power play of their own as the security forces try to exert their own control.

14 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:24:15pm

I finally got the video from WSJ/Fox It is a very fluid situation that may change many times in the next few hours. Gee you think? //

15 Ming  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:24:18pm

I’ve often been critical of George W. Bush, but I must say that his vision of democracy in the Arab world may have been a good call. I would also compliment President Obama for his inspiring speech in Cairo, about a year ago I think.

No one can predict how these democracy flashes in Iran, Tunisia, or Egypt will evolve, but there is hope for some improvements.

16 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:24:20pm

It’s a pattern we’ve seen in the past … army pushes Islamic ruler out (e.g. Turkey, Pakistan 2X, etc.) The outcome of that can vary, so be careful what you wish for since we sure as hell don’t need a Zia Al Haq equivalent in Egypt.

17 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:24:25pm

This answers the question I was asking myself: ” Is Cairo burning?”
No good will come of this.

18 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:24:47pm

The army would never allow the Muslim Brotherhood to take over.

Secondly, the Egyptian army has not fired on civilians in over 60 years. The security services are another matter though.

Interesting developments to say the least.

19 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:25:30pm
20 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:26:05pm

It’s quite amazing what’s happening in North Africa and the Middle East. I’ll bet the Saudi royal family is sweating bullets right now.

I hope this resolves into more democratic societies, instead of violence and chaos. There are some powerful forces in those areas that have no interest in seeing more democracy take hold.

Interesting times.

21 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:26:52pm

Wow…
I don’t think Mubarak is long for ruling Egypt.
Crazy times.

22 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:26:53pm

re: #4 lawhawk

If he doesn’t have the support of the military, then it looks like the military is about to select one of its own to replace him.

re: #4 lawhawk

If he doesn’t have the support of the military, then it looks like the military is about to select one of its own to replace him.

in that event, I hope it’s not that hater ElBaradei….it’s likely his dreams are dashed

23 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:27:00pm

re: #19 000G

Robert Gibbs, White House press secretary, is up on stage. He confirms that Obama has not spoken with President Mubarak.

“The legitimate grievances that have festered for quite some time in Egypt have to be addressed by the Egyptian government immediately,” says Gibbs.

What can the president do? Gibbs is asked. “First and foremost, this is a situation that will be solved by the people in Egypt,” says Gibbs. “We will be reviewing our assistance posture based on events in the coming days” – that’s a reference to the US’s $1.5bn in aid to Egypt, as mentioned earlier.

Gibbs is also asked if Obama “stands by” Mubarak – and he makes no response.

What’s the US doing about aid? “Obviously we will be reviewing our assistance posture based on the outcome of events, now and in the coming days,” intones Gibbs.

Who else, what other allies, has Obama talked to about Egypt? “I am unaware of any calls at this point that have been made,” says Gibbs.

Why hasn’t Obama made personal contact, because of the weight that would have? Gibbs has no substantial answer.

guardian.co.uk

24 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:27:08pm

re: #20 Charles
Very Interesting times indeed.

25 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:27:14pm

re: #15 Ming

I’ve often been critical of George W. Bush, but I must say that his vision of democracy in the Arab world may have been a good call. I would also compliment President Obama for his inspiring speech in Cairo, about a year ago I think.

No one can predict how these democracy flashes in Iran, Tunisia, or Egypt will evolve, but there is hope for some improvements.

At the moment all I’m hoping for is a new and different kind of wrong… if indeed the Muslim Brotherhood takes over then things will either have to get better or they too will be eventually ousted by the rage of the people, right?

So it goes….

26 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:27:37pm

Protesters across Egypt defy curfew

“The armed forces started to deploy forces in the governorates of Cairo, Alexandria and Suez as a first stage in implementing the decree…imposing a curfew starting from 6pm,” state media reported.

Some 2,000-3,000 people thronged around a military vehicle near Cairo’s Tahrir square, a Reuters witness said. They climbed on it, shaking hands with the soldiers, and chanted: “The army and the people are united” and “The revolution has come”.


Shots were heard near parliament and the headquarters of the ruling party was in flames, the blaze lighting up the night sky.

In the eastern city of Suez, site of the strategically crucial canal, armoured cars deployed in front of the charred remains of a police station, a Reuters witness said.

Dozens of protesters climbed on the military vehicles in Suez. They talked to soldiers who attempted to wave them off.

27 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:28:55pm

re: #23 000G

That Obama does not in any way endorse Mubarak is massive news, as is the implication that he has not spoken to him. Good news if you are out on the streets of Cairo right now.

28 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:29:29pm

re: #13 lawhawk

The Brotherhood is going to take advantage of images like this one to show that the security forces don’t care about religious beliefs and are far too secular. I would expect that they’ll try to make a power play of their own as the security forces try to exert their own control.

I think that the inroads the MB will try to make by using this and other similar images will be that these heavy actions were taken by the Police/security forces and not the Army.

If the Army takes control and establishes calm and fairness in the interim, then the MB will loose steam in it’s claims to be part of the government.
I still read the majority of those protesting are not because of their ideology or beliefs but rather due to their wishes and desire to be heard and to be part of their governance.

29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:29:45pm

Wow. This is not good.

Image: ZZ0183B5C0.jpg

30 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:30:14pm

BreakingNews

Army secures Egyptian Museum in Cairo, protecting pharaoh treasures including death mask of boy king Tutankhamun - Reuters

31 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:32:00pm

re: #29 Charles

Wow. This is not good.

Image: ZZ0183B5C0.jpg

Sky News reporter in Cairo was approached by an Egyptian asking if he was American, he said no, he is British. The Egyptian showed him a can of teargas with “made in America”. He was not best pleased to say the least.

32 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:32:32pm

re: #13 lawhawk

The Brotherhood is going to take advantage of images like this one to show that the security forces don’t care about religious beliefs and are far too secular. I would expect that they’ll try to make a power play of their own as the security forces try to exert their own control.

That doesn’t look like prayer so much as an unusually disciplined defensive posture. Those in the back , out of range of the water, aren’t praying.

33 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:34:13pm

I fear/suspect that this is much bigger than we think, much bigger than just Egypt.

34 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:34:34pm

Thomas Jefferson supported the French Revolution, but he expected a different outcome and ignored the enormities of what was occurring.
I hope for the best in Egypt.

35 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:34:34pm

re: #20 Charles

It’s quite amazing what’s happening in North Africa and the Middle East. I’ll bet the Saudi royal family is sweating bullets right now.

I hope this resolves into more democratic societies, instead of violence and chaos. There are some powerful forces in those areas that have no interest in seeing more democracy take hold.

Interesting times.

The problem is that I can’t see anything other than a democratically elected Islamist state given the current trends. It will be trading one set of thugs for another brutal set of thugs who are even more backwards.

36 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:35:08pm

re: #20 Charles

It’s quite amazing what’s happening in North Africa and the Middle East. I’ll bet the Saudi royal family is sweating bullets right now.

I hope this resolves into more democratic societies, instead of violence and chaos. There are some powerful forces in those areas that have no interest in seeing more democracy take hold.

Interesting times.

The big danger is what happens when the revolution is “over” and the civilians/citizens go home. Then the pigs move in. The Soviet Union was formed in that fashion, and later, the Islamic Republic of Iran. And before them, The Committee for Public Safety and their encore, Napoleon.

Revolutionaries who want liberty must secure their gains.

37 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:35:15pm

re: #31 HAL2010

Sky News reporter in Cairo was approached by an Egyptian asking if he was American, he said no, he is British. The Egyptian showed him a can of teargas with “made in America”. He was not best pleased to say the least.

Yeah, over a billion dollars annually in military aid. It goes somewhere. I am not surprised one bit.

38 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:35:51pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

That doesn’t look like prayer so much as an unusually disciplined defensive posture. Those in the back , out of range of the water, aren’t praying.

Exactly. A non-violent human wedge telling the police, “We are not your enemy.”

39 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:35:56pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

The problem is that I can’t see anything other than a democratically elected Islamist state given the current trends. It will be trading one set of thugs for another brutal set of thugs who are even more backwards.

I am thinking Iran 2.0…

40 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:36:39pm

re: #36 lostlakehiker

The big danger is what happens when the revolution is “over” and the civilians/citizens go home. Then the pigs move in. The Soviet Union was formed in that fashion, and later, the Islamic Republic of Iran. And before them, The Committee for Public Safety and their encore, Napoleon.

Revolutionaries who want liberty must secure their gains.

Uh. No. The October Revolution of 1917 that brought about Soviet Russia (later to become the Soviet Union) was not a popular revolution, but from the start a project undertaken by professionals.

41 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:37:00pm

re: #37 000G

Yeah, over a billion dollars annually in military aid. It goes somewhere. I am not surprised one bit.

I am surprised they still keep the “made in America”. But yes, Egypt is the second largest recipient of aid from the US after Israel.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:37:23pm

re: #25 jamesfirecat

At the moment all I’m hoping for is a new and different kind of wrong… if indeed the Muslim Brotherhood takes over then things will either have to get better or they too will be eventually ousted by the rage of the people, right?

So it goes…

I think that is overly optimistic. I feel very sorry for the subset of educated and modern Egyptians. They are essentially caught in a shootout between two mafia families. Either wins, everyone looses.

43 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:37:35pm

re: #39 brookly red

I am thinking Iran 2.0…

me too.

44 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:38:14pm

re: #35 LudwigVanQuixote

The problem is that I can’t see anything other than a democratically elected Islamist state given the current trends. It will be trading one set of thugs for another brutal set of thugs who are even more backwards.

The protesters in Egypt are college students in western clothing, not Wahabis in prayer robes.

45 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:38:40pm

Via NYT:

CNN’s Cairo correspondent, Ben Wedeman, reported something similar from the street outside the burning headquarters of Egypt’s ruling party, saying that the reason a relative calm had descended on the city was that the Egyptian government had mostly withdrawn from the streets, leaving security to the military.
46 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:39:10pm

Question about MB in Gibbs’ briefing – he just responds that Egyptians are not monolithic, want more rights, and that the White House has “obviously not been in touch with the Muslim Brotherhood”.

Heh.

47 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:39:33pm

My husband recently got offered a job in Katameya, Cairo that he seriously considered. I asked “is it safe?” And he said. Cairo?. Oh yeah!. nothing ever happens there anymore”

48 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:39:46pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

me too.

they have their fingers in a lot of pots… I am hoping the “populist” thing turns around and bites their asses.

49 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:40:00pm

Mubarak still has not appeard on TV, implying that he may not even be in charge at the moment. Analyst on Al Jazeera convinced that the next leader won’t be ElBaradei, although he might be a temporary solution whilst they sort the mess out.

50 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:40:20pm

re: #44 darthstar

The protesters in Egypt are college students in western clothing, not Wahabis in prayer robes.

Protesting for the MB. It is a dangerous and tricky time.

51 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:41:15pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Via NYT:

Napoleon gave Paris ” A whiff of grapeshot.”

52 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:41:32pm

re: #29 Charles

Wow. This is not good.

Image: ZZ0183B5C0.jpg

Gosh, that’s considerate to include the first aid instructions on the can. Maybe they could have printed them in a few more languages, though.

53 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:43:01pm

re: #52 wrenchwench
or Please refer to instruction booklet #234 and make sure that there is no booklet.

54 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:44:42pm

re: #29 Charles

Wow. This is not good.

Image: ZZ0183B5C0.jpg

“Made in the USA”…Doesn’t help with messaging very much, does it?

55 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:45:00pm

enduringamerica.com

Tell me one Arab regime which would now dare criticize the protests?
Genuine? Most likely
Moving? Certainly
A killer picture? Hell yeah

56 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:45:42pm

re: #51 EdDantes

Napoleon gave Paris ” A whiff of grapeshot.”


oh gawd/ I love the smell of grapeshot in the morning…

no seriously, this could get real ugly if the decide to restore order Iran style.

57 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:47:18pm

re: #50 LudwigVanQuixote

Protesting for the MB. It is a dangerous and tricky time.

Your speaking for a lot of people there. I guess I am optimistic that the MB are only a minority in this coalition against the current government.

58 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:48:21pm

re: #54 darthstar

“Made in the USA”…Doesn’t help with messaging very much, does it?

Bad messaging and bad reality in this case.

59 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:48:55pm

re: #57 Alexzander

Your speaking for a lot of people there. I guess I am optimistic that the MB are only a minority in this coalition against the current government.

I think I have no choice but to hope the same way you do. It is certainly out of our hands.

60 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:49:00pm

re: #29 Charles

Wow. This is not good.

Image: ZZ0183B5C0.jpg

Ah, Al JAzeera mentioned that earlier. Not good.

61 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:49:03pm

re: #57 Alexzander

Your speaking for a lot of people there. I guess I am optimistic that the MB are only a minority in this coalition against the current government.

I hope your right, but I fear that you are wrong.

62 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:49:06pm

“2042: Jim, from the US writes: “I have a friend in Dearborn, home to one of the largest Muslim communities in North America. I’ve been told police are on alert for possible rioting this evening and this weekend. Local TV stations in Detroit, US have summoned-in off-duty news staff for possible coverage of rioting there.”
bbc.co.uk


What a bunch of rubes - wrong Arab nationality, bro.

Is that you, Pam?!

63 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:49:20pm

re: #33 brookly red

I fear/suspect that this is much bigger than we think, much bigger than just Egypt.

What next? Brooklyn?

64 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:49:56pm

Good point by the man on Al Jazeera. The Egyptian army and most of the police services are conscripts (“70 - 80 percent who have nothing to do with the government”).
So when their families suffer, they suffer to.

And Tunisia was an inspiration.

65 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:50:57pm

re: #62 Ericus58

“2042: Jim, from the US writes: “I have a friend in Dearborn, home to one of the largest Muslim communities in North America. I’ve been told police are on alert for possible rioting this evening and this weekend. Local TV stations in Detroit, US have summoned-in off-duty news staff for possible coverage of rioting there.”
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

What a bunch of rubes - wrong Arab nationality, bro.

Is that you, Pam?!

American wingnuts love making this (or any foreign disturbance) about them and their own fears. Fucking pussies.

66 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:51:41pm

re: #63 ryannon

What next? Brooklyn?

Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia…

67 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:51:53pm

The Jordanians are having a peaceful protest. online.wsj.com

68 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:52:14pm

11 people reported killed in Suez, 5 in Cairo.

The HQ of the National Democratic party (the ruling party’s) has been burned down.

69 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:52:46pm

re: #63 ryannon

What next? Brooklyn?

First We Take Manhattan…

70 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:53:25pm

re: #61 brookly red

re: #63 ryannon

What next? Brooklyn?

Why would anyone want to take over Brooklyn!?!?!

//

71 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:53:42pm

Revolutions can be good or bad. Usually they are bad because they open a route to opportunism by despots. As I said earlier I’m hoping for the best for Egypt and the middle east, but I am not optimistic.

72 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:53:57pm

re: #68 HAL2010

11 people reported killed in Suez, 5 in Cairo.

The HQ of the National Democratic party (the ruling party’s) has been burned down.

Watch for Palin and Bachmann to misinterpret what that phrase means.

73 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:54:22pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

First We Take Manhattan…

I have $24 worth of beads I can offer!

74 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:54:36pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

For the beer!

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:54:54pm

re: #63 ryannon

What next? Brooklyn?

No sleep till.

76 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:55:18pm

re: #72 darthstar

Watch for Palin and Bachmann to misinterpret what that phrase means.

Wingnut heads exploding at the thought of muslims wanting an open, free and democratic society in four, three, two ..

77 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:55:23pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

Manhattan can be fenced. /

78 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:55:35pm

re: #29 Charles

Wow. This is not good.

Image: ZZ0183B5C0.jpg

This dictatorship and crackdown brought to you in part by the US.
Awesome message we send, no?
9_9

79 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:55:52pm

don’t laugh, Iran wants it’s empire back.

80 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:55:57pm

re: #77 lawhawk

Manhattan can be fenced. /

Snake Pliskin can get over any fence you build there.

81 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:56:21pm

re: #74 lawhawk

For the beer!

I’ll stick with google.com

82 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:56:47pm

re: #77 lawhawk

Manhattan can be fenced. /

/shit I might have to pawn my bridge and flee to Paris…

83 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:56:52pm

re: #80 darthstar

Well, I could sell you the island too…since I’m the Duke of New York…

84 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:56:53pm

re: #77 lawhawk
Didn’t that happen in a movie?

85 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:57:33pm
“29 years of support for Mubarak and for its $1.2 billion in annual military aid to Egypt?”

Has it really been more than a billion each year for all of those years? Or is that adjusted for inflation?

86 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:57:35pm

re: #83 lawhawk

Well, I could sell you the island too…since I’m the Duke of New York…

Mikey? is that you?

87 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:57:50pm

re: #82 brookly red

/shit I might have to pawn my bridge and flee to Paris…

I’ve got a nice tower I can sell you….

88 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:58:16pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

I’ll stick with [Link: www.google.com…]

Real men drink Old 38

89 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:58:36pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Beer has been traced back to ancient Egypt. So they got that going for them.

90 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:59:08pm

re: #87 ryannon

I’ve got a nice tower I can sell you…

right now I am thinking oil futures…

91 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:59:25pm

re: #83 lawhawk

Well, I could sell you the island too…since I’m the Duke of New York…

You have 10,000 men!

92 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:59:33pm

re: #77 lawhawk

Manhattan can be fenced. /

We used to have a saying about Somerville Mass

“Put a fence around it and give everyone 10-15 years”

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 12:59:44pm

re: #89 EdDantes

Beer has been traced back to ancient Egypt. So they got that going for them.

Since the alternative is drinking out of the Nile, are you not surprised?

94 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:00pm

re: #85 000G

Has it really been more than a billion each year for all of those years? Or is that adjusted for inflation?

From the Camp David peace accords in 1978 until 2000 (the latest year for which figures are available), the United States has subsidized Egypt’s armed forces with over $38 billion worth of aid. Egypt receives about $2 billion annually—$1.3 billion in foreign military financing and about $815 million in economic support fund assistance —making it the second largest regular recipient of conventional U.S. military and economic aid, after Israel.
fas.org

95 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:07pm

re: #90 brookly red
Oil is spiking because of the protests in Egypt.

96 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:18pm

re: #93 oaktree

Since the alternative is drinking out of the Nile, are you not surprised?

And you know, there are probably fewer cocodiles in the beer than in the Nile ..

97 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:20pm

@bencnn:

Saw boys with massive seal of the republic looted from State TV. If this isn’t the end, it certainly looks and smells like it. #Jan25 #Egypt

98 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:21pm

AJ: “Still no word from the President as tanks and soldiers do nothing to prevent the protesters from defying the curfew on the streets of Cairo tonight.”

99 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:00:42pm

re: #85 000G

Has it really been more than a billion each year for all of those years? Or is that adjusted for inflation?

iirc,, it’s been just about the same that we “give” to Israel ever since Egypt and Israe signed the peace

100 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:01:27pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

iirc,, it’s been just about the same that we “give” to Israel ever since Egypt and Israe signed the peace

Some peace accord…we’ll give you both all the military aid you want if you promise not to shoot each other.

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:01:31pm

re: #94 darthstar

One begins to understand why Rand Paul wants to cut US foreign aid entirely.

In any case, Egypt has given us a pretty poor return on investment.

102 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:01:50pm

“Protesters cheer as they welcome the army on the streets of Egyptian Capital”

Rolling screen on Al Jazeera

103 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:02:36pm

re: #101 ralphieboy

One begins to understand why Rand Paul wants to cut US foreign aid entirely.

In any case, Egypt has given us a pretty poor return on investment.

Those who get the most in military aid traditionally give the least in return. Military aid does nothing to promote peace or prosperity. It merely serves as a way of controlling one’s own population.

104 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:02:47pm

re: #93 oaktree

Since the alternative is drinking out of the Nile, are you not surprised?

In Europe and England in ancient times beer was a an alternative to drinking from “natural” waterways.

105 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:03:11pm

re: #100 darthstar

Some peace accord…we’ll give you both all the military aid you want if you promise not to shoot each other.

I know

That always struck me as very odd,

AND ,, WE get to pay for it!!

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:03:14pm

re: #100 darthstar

Some peace accord…we’ll give you both all the military aid you want if you promise not to shoot each other.

If your goal is a stop to Arab-Israeli wars and relative stability along the route of the Suez Canal it appears to have worked out fairly well in only costing you money.

107 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:04:02pm

re: #89 EdDantes

Beer has been traced back to ancient Egypt. So they got that going for them.

think I might need to go to the store about now…

108 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:04:18pm

re: #106 oaktree

If your goal is a stop to Arab-Israeli wars and relative stability along the route of the Suez Canal it appears to have worked out fairly well in only costing you money.

I think the goal was to stop the Arab-Israeli wars from disrupting the oil supply to the US.

109 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:04:51pm

What’s really weird to me: Seeing Guy Fawkes masks, on the streets as well as on Arab twitter accounts.

Damn meme cross contaminations.

110 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:04:57pm

re: #107 brookly red

think I might need to go to the store about now…

Might I recommend St. Pauli Girl Special Dark.

111 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:05:33pm

My theory:

Mudbarak claimed he would speak to the people on national TV, and still no sign of him. In the time people are waiting, he is getting the hell outta there as quick as his fat little legs will carry him.

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:06:43pm

re: #106 oaktree

If your goal is a stop to Arab-Israeli wars and relative stability along the route of the Suez Canal it appears to have worked out fairly well in only costing you money.

Instead of the BILLIONS spent how about we just insist they honor the peace accord they signed on $5.00 worth of paper!!

113 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:06:51pm

re: #111 HAL2010

See #97 – it looks like the National TV HQ has been sacked.

114 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:07:06pm

re: #110 Dreggas

Might I recommend St. Pauli Girl Special Dark.

By a strange coincidence I am familiar with St. Pauli girl. and Spaten Optimator.

115 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:07:13pm

re: #109 000G

What’s really weird to me: Seeing Guy Fawkes masks, on the streets as well as on Arab twitter accounts.

Damn meme cross contaminations.


You just don’t get it, do you?

116 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:07:41pm

re: #108 darthstar

And to keep the Soviets from gaining further influence. Egypt had been in the Soviet sphere since the US/UK withdrew from the Aswan dam project, but went back to the US leading up to the Camp David Accords. The Cold War played a significant role in that military aid package and ongoing aid (and later became a jobs program for US defense contractors).

117 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:08:05pm

re: #113 000G

See #97 – it looks like the National TV HQ has been sacked.

I know, but he could announce it anywhere he wanted to, the broadcast system has not failed, the only thing that has happened is that the HQ is no more.

118 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:08:21pm

re: #111 HAL2010

My theory:

Mudbarak claimed he would speak to the people on national TV, and still no sign of him. In the time people are waiting, he is getting the hell outta there as quick as his fat little legs will carry him.

Egypt has a population of about , 80M, a standing army of 300K, and a “security force” of 1.1M… if those numbers seem lop-sided there is a good reason.

119 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:08:24pm

re: #111 HAL2010

My theory:

Mudbarak claimed he would speak to the people on national TV, and still no sign of him. In the time people are waiting, he is getting the hell outta there as quick as his fat little legs will carry him.

I hope that was a typo!

120 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:08:41pm

re: #115 ryannon

You just don’t get it, do you?

lol

No, no, I am an it-getter alright. Especially the pretentiousness.

121 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:09:00pm

re: #119 sattv4u2

I hope that was a typo!

Doh. Yes, yes it was.

122 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:09:26pm

re: #121 HAL2010

Doh. Yes, yes it was.

You just saved yourself from a dreaded downding!

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:09:31pm

re: #118 brookly red

Egypt has a population of about , 80M, a standing army of 300K, and a “security force” of 1.1M… if those numbers seem lop-sided there is a good reason.

I’m curious, what are the ratios for that in the US? Population, standing military, and police.

124 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:09:32pm

re: #120 000G

lol

No, no, I am an it-getter alright. Especially the pretentiousness.

Oh. Right. The pretentiousness.

125 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:09:58pm

re: #117 HAL2010

I know, but he could announce it anywhere he wanted to, the broadcast system has not failed, the only thing that has happened is that the HQ is no more.

Yes, technically he could broadcast from his Mom’s basement – but I don’t think it would look very… “presidential”.

126 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:10:35pm

re: #114 EdDantes

By a strange coincidence I am familiar with St. Pauli girl. and Spaten Optimator.

Killians Irish Red

nuff said!

127 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:10:41pm

re: #125 000G

Yes, technically he could broadcast from his Mom’s basement – but I don’t think it would look very… “presidential”.

He first claimed he would speak at a book fare in Cairo. Presidential?

128 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:10:58pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

Why thank you :D

129 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:11:10pm

Sultan Al Qassemi SultanAlQassemi

@hakan_celik71 friend from Jeddah says he’s hearing rumours about preparations to receive Mubarak 11 minutes ago via web in reply to hakan_celik71
Sultan Al Qassemi SultanAlQassemi

BREAKING Al Jazeera: Senior Egyptian personalities & business tycoons flee Egypt on board of private jets. #Jan25 7 minutes ago via web

via Curious Lurker’s re-tweets

130 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:11:30pm

re: #124 ryannon

Oh. Right. The pretentiousness.

Sorry that I am not willing to equate scriptkiddies with naive Anarchists with trolls on /b/ with the Egyptian people etc. just because some of them have signed on to the same meme.

And please don’t give me the “Anonymous” sermon. I’ve been over that here on LGF, defending the concept. I’ve been at it since 2003…

131 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:12:16pm

re: #123 oaktree

I’m curious, what are the ratios for that in the US? Population, standing military, and police.

Good question, I don’t know. But I was not including local police in the “security forces” number because they can not be counted on as “loyal”.

132 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:12:55pm

re: #130 000G

Sorry that I am not willing to equate scriptkiddies with naive Anarchists with trolls on /b/ with the Egyptian people etc. just because some of them have signed on to the same meme.

And please don’t give me the “Anonymous” sermon. I’ve been over that here on LGF, defending the concept. I’ve been at it since 2003…

I would think of it. You’ve got it nailed down so well by yourself.

133 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:12:55pm

re: #104 EdDantes

In Europe and England in ancient times beer was a an alternative to drinking from “natural” waterways.

That’s because natural waterways were full of shit.

134 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:13:31pm
135 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:14:24pm

re: #132 ryannon

I would think of it. You’ve got it nailed down so well by yourself.

Correction: I woudn’t think of it.

136 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:15:08pm

re: #133 EdDantes

That’s because natural waterways were full of shit.

There must be some way to control the fish and fowl and reptiles from doing that

137 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:15:34pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

There must be some way to control the fish and fowl and reptiles from doing that

Tell it to the Vikings.

138 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:15:36pm

re: #135 ryannon

Correction: I woudn’t think of it.

Doesn’t make any more sense than the other way !!

///

139 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:16:32pm

re: #114 EdDantes

By a strange coincidence I am familiar with St. Pauli girl. and Spaten Optimator.

Look for the St Pauli Special Dark. It’s extremely good.

140 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:16:43pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tell it to the Vikings.

The Vikings gave me a sad this year.

142 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:17:02pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tell it to the Vikings.

What does Percy Harvin have to do with it!?!?!

vikings.com

143 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:17:12pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

There must be some way to control the fish and fowl and reptiles from doing that

You could have toilet-trained them, but there were no toilets back then.

144 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:17:35pm

re: #143 ryannon

You could have toilet-trained them, but there were no toilets back then.

Were there trains back then??

145 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:17:50pm

re: #138 sattv4u2

Doesn’t make any more sense than the other way !!

///

No one said I had to make sense!

146 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:18:01pm

re: #136 sattv4u2

There must be some way to control the fish and fowl and reptiles from doing that

Nah, It was my ancestors easing themselves.

147 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:18:12pm

re: #141 000G

Interesting… allafrica.com

I can’t vouch for the site, but it seems legit…

148 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:18:36pm

Heh:

@theOnion:

Hosni Mubarak Reaches Out To Twitter Followers For Ideas On How To Keep Regime Intact #Egypt #jan25

149 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:18:41pm

re: #146 EdDantes

Nah, It was my ancestors easing themselves.

Too much roughage?

150 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:18:45pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

Were there trains back then??

Trains yes, tickets no. Those were tough times.

151 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:19:19pm

re: #141 000G
It sounds like our embassy staff better get out of Cairo.

152 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:19:30pm

And on that note ,,,

Gotta go drag a 50 lb bag of deer corn out to the far corner of the property

Anyone wanna help?

153 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:19:50pm

Haha, they are on a roll:

@theOnion:

U.S. Press Sec’y Gibbs: I’m Sorry, Which US-Supported Brutal Dictatorship Are We Referring To? #Egypt #jan25
154 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:20:00pm

re: #152 sattv4u2

And on that note ,,,

Gotta go drag a 50 lb bag of deer corn out to the far corner of the property

Anyone wanna help?

why don’t you ask the deer….

155 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:20:43pm

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

It sounds like our embassy staff better get out of Cairo.

They probably already got non essential staff out already. Abandoning our embassy altogether is probably not wise.

156 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:20:49pm

Oh Anon, I love how clueless you really are in your little compartmentalized world.

“TWO *REAL* GUNS POINTED AT ME”: how the FBI raided Anonymous

157 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:20:59pm

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

It sounds like our embassy staff better get out of Cairo.

Not until they help any American tourists out of the country,, or at least out of harms way

Has the state dept issued an official tourist warning?

158 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:21:07pm

re: #153 000G

Haha, they are on a roll:

@theOnion:

Yep…and this one:
The Onion
Hosni Mubarak Reaches Out To Twitter Followers For Ideas On How To Keep Regime Intact #Egypt #jan25

159 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:21:14pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout
I agree.

161 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:21:34pm

re: #154 brookly red

why don’t you ask the deer…

It WOULD be a lot lighter if they helped

But then again, it would mean they would be in my garage

162 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:21:49pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh Anon, I love how clueless you really are in your little compartmentalized world.

“TWO *REAL* GUNS POINTED AT ME”: how the FBI raided Anonymous

Dang it

“TWO *REAL* GUNS POINTED AT ME”: how the FBI raided Anonymous

A note of context: “LOIC” here refers to the Low Orbit Ion Cannon, a software tool used in the Anonymous DDoS attacks that can flood a network connection with data.

I used LOIC during that whole Wikileaks fiasco. The FBI showed up at my door with a search warrant for any electronic devices that may have been used in the attack. That means any and all computers, unless I pointed out to them which one was used in the attack. I’m not retarded, I invoked my 5th amendment rights and didn’t say anything so now they are taking everything. Yes, I’m f**king dumb. No, I didn’t have time to thermite the hard drive. I’m worried that the FBI might stumble upon this site due to all the :filez: on my computer.

A second account showed a similar level of, err, enthusiasm on the part of the FBI.

6am, door busted down (NOT KIDDING), “FBI FBI FBI POLICE FBI GET YOUR ARMS UP AND DONT MOVE THEM. WALK DOWNSTAIRS RIGHT NOW. DO NOT MOVE YOUR HANDS.” —- TWO *REAL* GUNS POINTED AT ME.

me in 1 cop car, gf in other car.


took 3.5 hrs, all electronic devices taken including 3 computers. said nearly nothing. finally left.

163 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:12pm

BBL

164 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:13pm

re: #158 darthstar

See #143 ;-)

165 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:16pm

re: #95 PhillyPretzel

Oil is spiking because of the protests in Egypt.

This is why we need energy independence.

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:24pm

re: #131 brookly red

Good question, I don’t know. But I was not including local police in the “security forces” number because they can not be counted on as “loyal”.

Quick Wikipedia check.
US Population: 309 Million

Standing military: 1.5 Million active, 1.5 Million reserves.

Police/Security forces:
In 2004, 105K Federal officers authorized to carry and use weapons.
Same article claimed ratio of 36 Federal officers per 100K population, which comes out to roughly the same number.

I couldn’t find a quick total on state (and local) law enforcement numbers. If I was trying to make an analogous comparison of the ratios I would definitely roll the state numbers into the federal numbers. County and smaller would be more iffy of a consideration.

And I’d have to do further study on how Egypt’s administration is organized compared to the US. I expect that it’s much more centralized set-up with fewer layers than the US equivalent. Related to size, history, and desired degree of control.

167 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:41pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

Not until they help any American tourists out of the country,, or at least out of harms way

Has the state dept issued an official tourist warning?

/yes the posted on their web site this mor… Oh, never mind.

168 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:53pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

travel.state.gov

The U.S. Department of State alerts U.S. citizens to ongoing political and social unrest in Egypt. Violent demonstrations on January 28 took place in several areas of Cairo and other parts of the country, disrupting road travel between city centers and airports. Disruptions in communications included the interruption of internet and mobile telephone service. The Government of Egypt has imposed a curfew from 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. in Cairo, Alexandria and Suez until further notice. Given this situation, the Department of State urges U.S. citizens to defer non-essential travel to Egypt at this time and advises U.S. citizens currently in Egypt to defer non-essential movement and to exercise caution. This Travel Alert expires on February 28, 2011.

In the event of demonstrations, U.S. citizens in Egypt should remain in their residences or hotels until the situation stabilizes. Security forces may block off the area around the U.S. Embassy during demonstrations, and U.S. citizens should not attempt to come to the U.S. Embassy or the Tahrir Square area at such times. The Embassy duty officer is available to U.S. citizens for emergencies at +20 1 2797-3300 during evening and weekend hours and the American Citizens Services Section can be reached at +20 1 2797-2301 during business hours, Sunday to Thursday from 8:00 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. and at consularcairoacs@state.gov.

169 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:55pm

re: #165 Tigger2

This is why we need energy independence.

I agree

Lets start drilling in ANWR

170 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:22:56pm

Fox has mike Huckabee on to talk about Egypt

what?

171 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:23:17pm

re: #164 000G

See #143 ;-)

Ah…I was scooped!

172 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:23:21pm

re: #168 lawhawk

[Link: travel.state.gov…]

Thanks

(I was just too damn lazy to check,, I knew someone would!!)

173 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:23:43pm

re: #170 Stanley Sea

Fox has mike Huckabee on to talk about Egypt

what?

FoldsOfFlab

When I hear Egypt, many things come to mind. The Pharoahs, the pyramids at Giza, Suez Canal, and the former governor of Arkansas.

174 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:24:08pm

re: #168 lawhawk

[Link: travel.state.gov…]

Not a good week to win a trip to see the pyramids on Wheel of Fortune?

175 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:24:09pm

re: #166 oaktree

And I’d have to do further study on how Egypt’s administration is organized compared to the US. I expect that it’s much more centralized set-up with fewer layers than the US equivalent. Related to size, history, and desired degree of control.

Yeah, I don’t think they have a Posse Comitatus Act, for one thing.

176 webevintage  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:24:18pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

re: #63 ryannon

Why would anyone want to take over Brooklyn!?!?!

//

For the pizza.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:25:06pm

re: #133 EdDantes

That’s because natural waterways were full of shit.

I commented to someone the other day that most cultures have methods or established behaviors to support the consumption of fluids that have been boiled or otherwise treated to make them potable. Wine, beer, tea, coffee, etc.

And in many times and places drinking water was a sign of being in the lower classes.

178 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:25:41pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

FoldsOfFlab

When I hear Egypt, many things come to mind. The Pharoahs, the pyramids at Giza, Suez Canal, and the former governor of Arkansas.

Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it? They just need to accept Jesus and everything will be great! Besides, anyone who knows what the fuck they’re talking about isn’t welcome on Fox.

179 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:26:10pm

re: #176 webevintage

For the pizza.

slaps clip in ar-15… looks around suspiciously…

180 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:26:13pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

Too much roughage?

Probably. A lot of grain (husks and all) meat was for the wealthy.

181 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:26:38pm

#
2122: Egyptian TV cites parliamentary speaker as saying “an important matter will be announced in a short time”.

Looks like we’re going to have some kind of answer in a short time. I’m guessing the answer will not involved Hosni Mubarak as the Egypt’s leader going forward.

182 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:26:49pm

re: #162 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Gee … who could ever have predicted that fucking with some of the largest financial organizations in the world just might result in mellows being harshed?

183 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:26:58pm

re: #170 Stanley Sea

Fox has mike Huckabee on to talk about Egypt

what?

Why?

184 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:27:21pm

re: #178 darthstar

Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it? They just need to accept Jesus and everything will be great! Besides, anyone who knows what the fuck they’re talking about isn’t welcome on Fox.

Fox is just a presidential election advertisement.

185 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:28:02pm

It looks like collapse of Mubarak’s regime is just hours away, if even that.

186 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:28:19pm

re: #177 oaktree

I commented to someone the other day that most cultures have methods or established behaviors to support the consumption of fluids that have been boiled or otherwise treated to make them potable. Wine, beer, tea, coffee, etc.

And in many times and places drinking water was a sign of being in the lower classes.

Indeed.

187 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:28:20pm

OT: Is this about the stupidest facebook profile pic you’ve ever seen? I hope that guy isn’t actually trying to find a mate.

188 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:29:38pm

re: #185 000G

It looks like collapse of Mubarak’s regime is just hours away, if even that.

what makes you think he won’t pull an Iran?… it is not like the world will do shit about it.

189 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:30:27pm

re: #182 Charles

Gee … who could ever have predicted that fucking with some of the largest financial organizations in the world just might result in mellows being harshed?

Fucking with the US Government is one thing. Fucking with Bank of America? Not advisable.

190 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:30:52pm

re: #182 Charles

Gee … who could ever have predicted that fucking with some of the largest financial organizations in the world just might result in mellows being harshed?

I love the “I didn’t have time to thermite the hard drive” line.

191 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:31:09pm

re: #188 brookly red

what makes you think he won’t pull an Iran?… it is not like the world will do shit about it.

You’re really focused on the Iran thing. Not everyone in the middle east wants to be Iran.

192 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:31:10pm

re: #189 darthstar

Fucking with the US Government is one thing. Fucking with Bank of America? Not advisable.

Hell, even just doing business with Bank of America isn’t advisable.

No sarcasm. I hate them.

193 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:31:36pm

“Tear gas canisters used by riot police, marked “MADE IN U.S.A.”

See, this is why we can’t have nice things.

194 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:32:22pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

“Tear gas canisters used by riot police, marked “MADE IN U.S.A.”

See, this is why we can’t have nice things.

People get jealous.

195 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:32:26pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

“Tear gas canisters used by riot police, marked “MADE IN U.S.A.”

See, this is why we can’t have nice things.

The empire is crumbling.

196 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:32:31pm

No Huckabee on Egypt, please!

197 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:32:46pm

re: #191 darthstar

Mubarak clearly tried to pull a page from the Iran playbook, but couldn’t pull it off - not when he lacked sufficient support among the military. Iran’s mullahs had support of the IRGC and Basij, and that was a huge difference in Iran’s regime being able to outlast the protests and crush them in the end.

198 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:32:54pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

“Tear gas canisters used by riot police, marked “MADE IN U.S.A.”

See, this is why we can’t have nice things.

Our gas canisters are pretty nice.

199 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:33:12pm

re: #191 darthstar

You’re really focused on the Iran thing. Not everyone in the middle east wants to be Iran.

It is bizarre.

200 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:33:34pm

re: #198 Killgore Trout

Our gas canisters are pretty nice.

And we just threw them away, giving them to the crowds as gifts. Why aren’t they grateful?

201 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:34:30pm

re: #200 Fozzie Bear

And we just threw them away, giving them to the crowds as gifts. Why aren’t they grateful?

They were expecting a Pinata maybe?

202 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:34:41pm

Seriously, that picture with the tear gas canister marked “Made in the USA” is a perfect metaphor for what we have been doing wrong for so long. Our empire is unraveling fast, and frankly, we deserve it.

203 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:34:46pm

re: #200 Fozzie Bear

And we just threw them away, giving them to the crowds as gifts. Why aren’t they grateful?

Ha!

204 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:35:09pm

re: #185 000G

It looks like collapse of Mubarak’s regime is just hours away, if even that.

I hope there something reasonable to replace it.

205 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:35:32pm

re: #191 darthstar

You’re really focused on the Iran thing. Not everyone in the middle east wants to be Iran.

true but they have their fingers in everything and I think it time we will see they are behind this too. but that is not the point, the point is the wield the sword, and if they use it (like Iran did) a populist uprising, (like in Iran) will be page 5 news in a few days and the world will do?

206 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:38:14pm

re: #202 Fozzie Bear

We deserve what, exactly?

207 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:38:22pm

re: #205 brookly red

true but they have their fingers in everything and I think it time we will see they are behind this too. but that is not the point, the point is the wield the sword, and if they use it (like Iran did) a populist uprising, (like in Iran) will be page 5 news in a few days and the world will do?

So you think the Iranians created massive unemployment in Egypt and established Mubarek as some kind of totalitarian leader for the last umpteen years so the people would protest and they could establish Ayatollahs there?

208 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:38:22pm

re: #188 brookly red

what makes you think he won’t pull an Iran?… it is not like the world will do shit about it.

It’s pretty clear he is not in power anymore. I even doubt he is still in Egypt.

209 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:38:56pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

I agree

Lets start drilling in ANWR

/facepalm

210 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:38:57pm

re: #207 darthstar

So you think the Iranians created massive unemployment in Egypt and established Mubarek as some kind of totalitarian leader for the last umpteen years so the people would protest and they could establish Ayatollahs there?

Fuck…Mubarak, not Mubarek…PIMF.

211 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:39:03pm

re: #202 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, that picture with the tear gas canister marked “Made in the USA” is a perfect metaphor for what we have been doing wrong for so long. Our empire is unraveling fast, and frankly, we deserve it.

Well, snark aside there aren’t really any good options. Suppose if we were to only do business with democratic regimes who respect human rights. We’ would have absolutley no relations with any country in the middle east. We’d be accused of strangling Muslim economies and toppling their legitimate indigenous governments. There’s no way to win.

212 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:39:23pm

re: #207 darthstar

So you think the Iranians created massive unemployment in Egypt and established Mubarek as some kind of totalitarian leader for the last umpteen years so the people would protest and they could establish Ayatollahs there?

Furthermore: Iran is Shia. Egypt (and MB) is Sunni.

213 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:39:35pm

re: #133 EdDantes

That’s because natural waterways were full of shit.

1st man: He must be a king.
2nd man: How can you tell?
1st man: He doesn’t have shit all over him.

OK, I’m done.

214 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:39:49pm

re: #206 Ericus58

We deserve what, exactly?

We deserve to see our short-sighted, power and money-driven foreign policy decisions blow up in our faces.

215 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:40:38pm

re: #212 000G

Furthermore: Iran is Shia. Egypt (and MB) is Sunni.

THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD!
/// - I wish.

216 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:40:40pm

re: #214 ralphieboy

We deserve to see our short-sighted, power and money-driven foreign policy decisions blow up in our faces.

Again?

217 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:40:53pm

re: #209 Fozzie Bear

/facepalm


Yeah I was also thinking more on the level of oil independence to go along with it.

218 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:40:57pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

We used to have a saying about Somerville Mass

“Put a fence around it and give everyone 10-15 years”

Where’d you live in Somerville? Winder Hill by any chance?

219 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:41:15pm

re: #206 Ericus58

We deserve what, exactly?

To not get the benefits of supporting autocratic regimes. To watch what was never rightfully ours slip from our grasp. To bear the GAZE of the world for propping up dictator after dictator.

“Governing a large country is like frying a small fish. You spoil it with too much poking”
- Lao Tsu

We poked not only our own fish too much, but everybody else’s fish.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:41:21pm

re: #216 wrenchwench


If we lack the ability to learn from our disasters, they will come back again and again and again

221 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:41:23pm

re: #218 Talking Point Detective

Sorry - Winter Hill

222 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:41:53pm

re: #208 000G

It’s pretty clear he is not in power anymore. I even doubt he is still in Egypt.

he is not in power cause the TV shows people in the streets? Maybe… but Iran crushed their ‘revolution’ with force… why could that not happen here?

223 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:42:29pm

McCain has finally issued a statement about Egypt.

224 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:42:58pm

re: #222 brookly red

he is not in power cause the TV shows people in the streets? Maybe… but Iran crushed their ‘revolution’ with force… why could that not happen here?

It’s becoming rather apparent - at least so far - that the police and military are somewhat sympathetic to the protesters.

225 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:43:07pm

re: #204 EdDantes

I hope there something reasonable to replace it.

The Whig Party.

226 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:43:54pm

re: #222 brookly red

he is not in power cause the TV shows people in the streets? Maybe… but Iran crushed their ‘revolution’ with force… why could that not happen here?

Because all of the attempts to crush the protests so far have failed spectacularly. Quite the opposite has happened.

227 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:44:00pm

re: #223 lawhawk

McCain has finally issued a statement about Egypt.

Did he clear that with Sarah Palin first? Actually, it’s not a bad statement. I wonder who wrote it.

228 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:44:20pm

re: #223 lawhawk
I can see it took them a few hours to write such a missive./

229 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:44:32pm

re: #224 darthstar

It’s becoming rather apparent - at least so far - that the police and military are somewhat sympathetic to the protesters.

you may be right… but what if your not?

230 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:44:32pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Well, snark aside there aren’t really any good options. Suppose if we were to only do business with democratic regimes who respect human rights. We’ would have absolutley no relations with any country in the middle east. We’d be accused of strangling Muslim economies and toppling their legitimate indigenous governments. There’s no way to win.

Doing business is one thing. Giving them billions of dollars and weaponry to use on their own people, quite another. It’s not like we did it once, or twice. We did it dozens of times.

231 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:44:47pm

re: #202 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, that picture with the tear gas canister marked “Made in the USA” is a perfect metaphor for what we have been doing wrong for so long. Our empire is unraveling fast, and frankly, we deserve it.

Oh come on… what’s the problem? They can use it as a novelty ash tray or a fancy expresso cup… win/win.

232 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:44:49pm

re: #214 ralphieboy

We deserve to see our short-sighted, power and money-driven foreign policy decisions blow up in our faces.

You’d rather have chaos and mayhem with real people being harmed?
Or would you rather have a transition to more democratic rule in these countries with our assistance (and not dictation)?

As far as being short-sighted… many administrations - including Israel - have worked with Egypt and Mubarak for many years. Would you rather have had us physically altered the rule in Egypt before now?

233 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:46:01pm

re: #222 brookly red

he is not in power cause the TV shows people in the streets? Maybe… but Iran crushed their ‘revolution’ with force… why could that not happen here?

You’re having a revolution in Brooklyn?

234 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:46:32pm

re: #225 ryannon

The Whig Party.

Enough with Whig party you wascally wabbit!

235 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:46:33pm

re: #227 darthstar

Generally, I agree. The problem is that the military could be instrumental in bringing stability and leading to an orderly transition of power. McCain is ruling that out by saying that the military has no role:

I strongly believe the Egyptian military has no role to play in resolving the present situation.

If the military can show restraint and provide for security by allowing protests to continue, and stopping those that loot and set buildings afire, then that’s a role it should take. It would appear that the protesters hold the military with greater respect than they do the other security/police forces.

236 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:46:37pm

Recall that our foreign aid deal with Egypt sprang out of the fact that Israel and Egypt have been involved in two outright wars. The deal is not without a rationale, but it’s been used for too long to prop up a corrupt and double-dealing regime in Egypt, almost as a bribe to stop them from becoming aggressive again.

There are realpolitik reasons behind all of this, but a photo of a tear gas can made in the USA is a powerful image.

237 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:46:41pm

re: #233 ryannon

You’re having a revolution in Brooklyn?

They’re tossing pineapples into every pizzaria.

238 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:46:47pm

sanasaleem

While Muslim Protestors prayed today, Christian Egyptians formed human chains to protect them. Solidarity,strength and co-existence.

239 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:47:00pm

re: #226 000G

Because all of the attempts to crush the protests so far have failed spectacularly. Quite the opposite has happened.

they have not used live ammo (much) yet… it could get ugly, let us hope it dose not, but with 1 in 80 people belonging to security forces (and having a lot to lose) it could get ugly.

240 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:47:02pm

re: #230 Fozzie Bear

Doing business is one thing. Giving them billions of dollars and weaponry to use on their own people, quite another.

No, that’s what “doing business” means in diplomacy sometimes.

241 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:47:44pm

re: #233 ryannon

You’re having a revolution in Brooklyn?

yes if they don’t plow this f’n snow it is on!

242 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:47:51pm

re: #229 brookly red

you may be right… but what if your not?

Then you can blame me for sharia law taking over in Oklahoma. Honestly, it’s a fucked up situation and all we can do is watch and see what happens. Getting our panties in a twist over some third party like Iran (which doesn’t appear to be involved from where I’m sitting) does nothing, except maybe stir up a little more hate for Iran…but what good does that do us, either?

243 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:48:15pm

re: #236 Charles

The deal is not without a rationale, but it’s been used for too long to prop up a corrupt and double-dealing regime in Egypt, almost as a bribe to stop them from becoming aggressive again.

Why “almost”?

244 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:48:25pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on… what’s the problem? They can use it as a novelty ash tray or a fancy expresso cup… win/win.

That aluminium is worth something to a recycler.

245 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:48:48pm

re: #227 darthstar

Did he clear that with Sarah Palin first? Actually, it’s not a bad statement. I wonder who wrote it.

When asked for a comment I heard Palin will issue a statement once she finds Egypt on a map since she can’t see it from her house.

246 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:48:51pm

re: #232 Ericus58


How many normal, non-dictatorial regimes retain the same administration in power for 30 years?

How many non-dictatorial regimes have a “security force” that outnumbers the military by three to one?

We supported this fellow as a reward for supporting US foreign policy initiatives regardless of how corrupt or dictatorial he was within his own borders.

Decisions like that have consequences, we are just reaping them.

247 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:50:13pm

re: #230 Fozzie Bear

Doing business is one thing. Giving them billions of dollars and weaponry to use on their own people, quite another. It’s not like we did it once, or twice. We did it dozens of times.

Well, it the case of Egypt specifically “their own citizens” assassinated Sadat for the crime of making peace with Israel. The government, for better or worse, needed defense against the Muslim Brotherhood. In real humanitarian terms you could make the argument that Egypt was better off being propped up by the US rather than letting it fall to an Islamist government determined to continue perpetual war against Israel.
These are complicated issues and they are not going to like us more or less no matter what we do or who we support.

248 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:50:35pm

re: #242 darthstar

Then you can blame me for sharia law taking over in Oklahoma. Honestly, it’s a fucked up situation and all we can do is watch and see what happens. Getting our panties in a twist over some third party like Iran (which doesn’t appear to be involved from where I’m sitting) does nothing, except maybe stir up a little more hate for Iran…but what good does that do us, either?

so why is our bankrolling the tear gas in Egypt relevant and pointing out Iran’s funding of the MB stirring up hate? Did you learn nothing from the cold war?

249 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:51:20pm

re: #246 ralphieboy

Yep. So when oil costs 15 bucks a gallon because the middle east fell into chaos, lets try to remember that we did this to ourselves. Lets try to recall all those times people were screaming their heads off about needing alternative fuel sources, and how they were ignored and dismissed as “unrealistic”.

250 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:51:36pm

It’s out of the USA’s hands and the Egyptians will decide their own fate as they should.

251 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:51:50pm

re: #246 ralphieboy

How many normal, non-dictatorial regimes retain the same administration in power for 30 years?

How many non-dictatorial regimes have a “security force” that outnumbers the military by three to one?

We supported this fellow as a reward for supporting US foreign policy initiatives regardless of how corrupt or dictatorial he was within his own borders.

Decisions like that have consequences, we are just reaping them.

Gee, I think I see your point.
You know what, I think Rand and Ron Paul might be onto something if I go by this logic - let’s pull back from our foreign aid commitments and agreements, treaty obligations and trade agreements too.
Foreign Engagement is way too over-rated….

/eleventy!!1!

252 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:51:58pm

re: #239 brookly red

they have not used live ammo (much) yet… it could get ugly, let us hope it dose not, but with 1 in 80 people belonging to security forces (and having a lot to lose) it could get ugly.

1 in 80? Much to lose? Egypt has 79,089,650 inhabitants. And the security forces…

Poorly paid and mostly illiterate, they number around 330,000 when combined with the Border Force. They themselves rioted over low pay in the early years of President Mubarak’s rule and had to be brought under control by the army.

bbc.co.uk – Recommended reading.

253 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:52:21pm

re: #251 Ericus58

Gee, I think I see your point.
You know what, I think Rand and Ron Paul might be onto something if I go by this logic - let’s pull back from our foreign aid commitments and agreements, treaty obligations and trade agreements too.
Foreign Engagement is way too over-rated…

/eleventy!!1!

Congratulations, you just defeated your own straw man.

254 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:52:39pm

re: #251 Ericus58


Not abandon them, just consider them over the long term.

255 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:52:51pm

re: #245 Dreggas

When asked for a comment I heard Palin will issue a statement once she finds Egypt on a map since she can’t see it from her house.

so it is true… all roads do lead to Palin. sheesh.

256 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:54:32pm

re: #249 Fozzie Bear

Yep. So when oil costs 15 bucks a gallon because the middle east fell into chaos, lets try to remember that we did this to ourselves. Lets try to recall all those times people were screaming their heads off about needing alternative fuel sources, and how they were ignored and dismissed as “unrealistic”.

What a great decade the 1980’s were: Iraq and Iran at war, dumping oil on the market as fast as they could pump it at ten dollars a barrel.

We abandoned all those airheaded post-embargo notions of fuel economy or alternative sources and allowed ourselves to believe it could go on like that forever.

257 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:54:42pm

re: #252 000G

1 in 80? Much to lose? Egypt has 79,089,650 inhabitants. And the security forces…

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…] – Recommended reading.

again you may be right…but Iran used force to take care of their “problems” why could it not happen here? Just asking?

258 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:54:51pm

re: #245 Dreggas

When asked for a comment I heard Palin will issue a statement once she finds Egypt on a map since she can’t see it from her house.

She’s looking for a local Cairo bakery to compare it to. Once she finds it, we’ll hear from her.

259 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:55:00pm

re: #2 HAL2010

Al Jazeera has the best live stream coverage of all channels.

Yes, it is that Al Jazeera. Sue me.

Link to live stream.

Makes sense, they’re closer to the action

260 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:55:41pm

re: #250 Gus 802

It’s out of the USA’s hands and the Egyptians will decide their own fate as they should.

I agree. When the USA gets involved we are obligated for decades to support corrupt regimes. Let the Egyptians determine their fate.

261 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:55:44pm

re: #249 Fozzie Bear

Yep. So when oil costs 15 bucks a gallon because the middle east fell into chaos, lets try to remember that we did this to ourselves. Lets try to recall all those times people were screaming their heads off about needing alternative fuel sources, and how they were ignored and dismissed as “unrealistic”.

MAN, NO KIDDING

262 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:56:19pm

re: #260 EdDantes

I agree. When the USA gets involved we are obligated for decades to support corrupt regimes. Let the Egyptians determine their fate.

And sometimes we’re propping up and creating the corrupt regime, because it’s corrupt in our favor ;-)

263 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:56:28pm

re: #249 Fozzie Bear

Yep. So when oil costs 15 bucks a gallon because the middle east fell into chaos, lets try to remember that we did this to ourselves. Lets try to recall all those times people were screaming their heads off about needing alternative fuel sources, and how they were ignored and dismissed as “unrealistic”.

As a person that was in the renewable energy business for almost 15 years, I wasn’t one to ever claim it was unrealistic. But I did claim, along with the people on the research side of the fence that is is not plug and go, there are multiple factors involved before it becomes a viable and inexpensive alternative, and there are hundreds of areas besides just substituting “this form of renewable” with this current existing energy technology.

The real problem is between a realistic future of renewables versus the magic fairy future that some green types perceive.

264 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:56:38pm

re: #248 brookly red

so why is our bankrolling the tear gas in Egypt relevant and pointing out Iran’s funding of the MB stirring up hate? Did you learn nothing from the cold war?

Tear gas canisters with “Made in the USA” stamped on them are a message anyone can understand. An alleged relationship between one Islamist group and a religious sect in another country isn’t something you can attach to an email and send around the planet.

265 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:57:16pm

re: #257 brookly red

again you may be right…but Iran used force to take care of their “problems” why could it not happen here? Just asking?

Oh, anything could happen. I am just telling you what my best bet is any my reasons for making that particular wager.

As far as Iran goes… I have to admit I do not have insight over the specific reasons on why the crushing was successful there. One reason I could cite is that their surveillance technology seems to be a lot more sophisticated than Egypt’s.

266 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:58:05pm

re: #229 brookly red

you may be right… but what if your not?

He is right, the police are poor people, they’re not the freaking Republican Guard of Iran, they’re hungry people who needed a job

267 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:58:12pm

Mubarak is allegedly out of the country. Might be on his way to the UK or Saudi Arabia.

268 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:58:28pm

re: #256 ralphieboy

What a great decade the 1980’s were: Iraq and Iran at war, dumping oil on the market as fast as they could pump it at ten dollars a barrel.

We abandoned all those airheaded post-embargo notions of fuel economy or alternative sources and allowed ourselves to believe it could go on like that forever.

Exactly. And we will pay dearly for it, because the US population is too fucking fat, happy, and stupid to connect the dots and realize we need to take serious action yesterday to disentangle ourselves from our dependency on middle eastern oil in particular, and oil in general.

269 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:58:37pm

re: #262 WindUpBird

And sometimes we’re propping up and creating the corrupt regime, because it’s corrupt in our favor ;-)

Yes, That is what happens.

270 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:58:58pm

Beck explodes on Chris Matthew’s over Bachmann comments

Glenn Beck exploded at Chris Matthews for his comments denigrating Michele Bachmann and her views of American history.

Matthews called Bachmann a “balloon head” on Tuesday for saying that the Founding Fathers “worked tirelessly to end slavery.” He noted that, besides the fact that many of the founders owned slaves, and that slavery only ended nearly a hundred years after the founding of America, slavery was also protected in the Constitution via the three-fifths clause, which stated that slaves would be counted as three-fifths of all other people when it came to determining how many seats in Congress each state was due.

Beck called the attacks on Bachmann “disgraceful” and said they were happening “because she could run for president of the United States and she could win.”

Then he let loose with an epic tirade. After playing the clip of Matthews, Beck took the phrase “balloon head” and ran with it:

“You sir, are a balloon head that was taught by a balloon head and all you did because you’re a balloon head was sit in your stupid balloon head Ivy League classroom and be indoctrinated by a balloon head and never ever used your balloon head to ask an intelligent question of the balloon head in the tweed jacket! You self-sanctimonious, self-important balloon head, America has had enough. Do your own homework.”

271 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:10pm

re: #259 WindUpBird

Makes sense, they’re closer to the action

Great screen-grab on dKos earlier of Fox’s “live coverage”…they superimposed the Fox logo over the Al Jazeera feed rather than giving Al Jazeera credit for the video…insecure little fuckers, those Fox newspeople.

272 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:16pm

re: #253 Fozzie Bear

Congratulations, you just defeated your own straw man.

Hardly.
I’m just taking your view of the ‘evil’ engagement of America and going to other way.
Let’s here your Foreign policy initiatives that would have been different from Carter on in regards to Egypt that would be so much better.

I don’t have the answers as to how this country could have been better served in our foreign policy decisions , but I”m sure not buying into the U.S. being the Empire of Evil that richly deserves failure and humility for it’s citizens.

273 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:17pm

re: #265 000G

Oh, anything could happen. I am just telling you what my best bet is any my reasons for making that particular wager.

As far as Iran goes… I have to admit I do not have insight over the specific reasons on why the crushing was successful there. One reason I could cite is that their surveillance technology seems to be a lot more sophisticated than Egypt’s.

No they were just willing to do the deed… Egypt may or may not be willing to drop the hammer. We shall see.

274 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:18pm

re: #267 Gus 802
allegedly? They can’t confirm it?

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:29pm

re: #268 Fozzie Bear

Exactly. And we will pay dearly for it, because the US population is too fucking fat, happy, and stupid to connect the dots and realize we need to take serious action yesterday to disentangle ourselves from our dependency on middle eastern oil in particular, and oil in general.

WHADDA YA MEAN I CAN’T DRIVE MUH BIG V8 FORD TRUCK ALL THE TIME ANY MORE *shoves pork rinds into his maw* HYUK FUCKING LIBERALS HERP DERP

276 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:38pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Mubarak is allegedly out of the country. Might be on his way to the UK or Saudi Arabia.

Nothing calms the troubled mind like a good shopping spree at Harrods.

277 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 1:59:44pm

re: #271 darthstar

Great screen-grab on dKos earlier of Fox’s “live coverage”…they superimposed the Fox logo over the Al Jazeera feed rather than giving Al Jazeera credit for the video…insecure little fuckers, those Fox newspeople.

hahahahahah

ah comedy :D

278 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:00:17pm

re: #263 Walter L. Newton

As a person that was in the renewable energy business for almost 15 years, I wasn’t one to ever claim it was unrealistic. But I did claim, along with the people on the research side of the fence that is is not plug and go, there are multiple factors involved before it becomes a viable and inexpensive alternative, and there are hundreds of areas besides just substituting “this form of renewable” with this current existing energy technology.

The real problem is between a realistic future of renewables versus the magic fairy future that some green types perceive.

The difference is that it takes massive investment. Public investment. Government investment.

And it requires sacrifice. Things have to get more expensive for awhile, because nothing is as easy as pulling energy-dense hydrocarbons from the ground and reaping huge energy outputs for minimal inputs.

279 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:00:40pm

re: #265 000G

Oh, anything could happen. I am just telling you what my best bet is any my reasons for making that particular wager.

As far as Iran goes… I have to admit I do not have insight over the specific reasons on why the crushing was successful there. One reason I could cite is that their surveillance technology seems to be a lot more sophisticated than Egypt’s.

Consider also the millions(?) of potential protesters who were killed in the Iran/iraq conflict. It wiped out several generations.

280 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:00:47pm

“Mubarak flies to Switzerland” is the current big rumor on Twitter.

281 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:00:48pm

re: #274 PhillyPretzel

allegedly? They can’t confirm it?

Guess not. I’m seeing this on Twitter and Google.

Now I’m reading Switzerland.

282 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:00:55pm

re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beck explodes on Chris Matthew’s over Bachmann comments

Kind of obvious, since Bachmann got her history lessons from Beck (I remember especially the whole “they build 3/5th in there as a tactical compromise, in order to abolish slavery eventually”).

283 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:00:55pm

re: #278 Fozzie Bear

The difference is that it takes massive investment. Public investment. Government investment.

And it requires sacrifice. Things have to get more expensive for awhile, because nothing is as easy as pulling energy-dense hydrocarbons from the ground and reaping huge energy outputs for minimal inputs.

I didn’t know that?

284 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:01:31pm

re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beck explodes on Chris Matthew’s over Bachmann comments

Thanks for the post. Beck is a buffoon.

285 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:01:41pm

re: #272 Ericus58

Hardly.
I’m just taking your view of the ‘evil’ engagement of America and going to other way.
Let’s here your Foreign policy initiatives that would have been different from Carter on in regards to Egypt that would be so much better.

I don’t have the answers as to how this country could have been better served in our foreign policy decisions , but I”m sure not buying into the U.S. being the Empire of Evil that richly deserves failure and humility for it’s citizens.

No. I didn’t characterize engagement as evil. I characterized giving weapons to bad people as ultimately counterproductive to our own interests.

Feel free to construct all the ridiculous caricatures of arguments that you like, just don’t attribute them to me.

286 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:01:50pm
287 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:02:11pm

re: #281 Gus 802
Pardon the sarcasm that might be where is his money is.

288 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:02:41pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

Pardon the sarcasm that might be where is his money is.

Might be?

289 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:02:49pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

Pardon the sarcasm that might be where is his money is.

So he’s putting his mouth where his money is?

291 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:03:33pm

re: #268 Fozzie Bear

Exactly. And we will pay dearly for it, because the US population is too fucking fat, happy, and stupid to connect the dots and realize we need to take serious action yesterday to disentangle ourselves from our dependency on middle eastern oil in particular, and oil in general.

You are not going to make friends and influence people with such a superior attitude.

292 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:04:06pm

re: #288 EmmmieG
I do not know anything about hiding money. I am just guessing.

293 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:04:16pm

re: #279 ryannon

Consider also the millions(?) of potential protesters who were killed in the Iran/iraq conflict. It wiped out several generations.

Errr. About up to one (!) million Iranians died in the Iran-Iraq war. And arguing about potential (!) protestors by comparing the hypothetical demographical development of two different states over several decades? Sorry, I don’t think you are making a lot of sense.

294 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:04:30pm

re: #20 Charles

Who knows, maybe the Iranians will get back into the streets in the next few days as well.

295 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:04:50pm

re: #292 PhillyPretzel

I do not know anything about hiding money. I am just guessing.

I don’t know anything about hiding money either, although I am an expert in hiding chocolate.

296 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:04:50pm

Correct spelling… en.wikipedia.org>en.wikipedia.org>

Ahmad Fathi Sorour (born 9 July 1932) is an Egyptian politician who has been the speaker of the People’s Assembly since 1991. He is the first in the line of succession to become President of Egypt if Hosni Mubarak dies or becomes incapacitated—a fact becoming increasingly important as Mubarak ages.

Dr. Sorour has been Speaker of the People’s Assembly since November 1990, and was first elected a member of that body in April 1989. He was President of the Inter-Parliamentary Council in 1994-1997 and also served as President of the Union of African Parliaments in 1990-1991.

297 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:05:00pm

re: #291 Ericus58

You are not going to make friends and influence people with such a superior attitude.

In the name of all fat, happy and stupid people, I wholeheartedly agree.

298 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:05:25pm

re: #296 Gus 802

Correct spelling… en.wikipedia.org…]>

Hmm. That got botched.

Ahmad Fathi Sorour

299 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:04pm

re: #291 Ericus58

You are not going to make friends and influence people with such a superior attitude.

I consider it a given that attitude means jack shit. Actions matter.

What matters is that there are still people acting like drilling ANWR will fix our problems, and that they are taken seriously. None of this was inevitable.

At some point, the right is going to have to admit that they were horribly catastrophically wrong about our energy situation. Politically, that needs to happen, or else we will keep doing dumb shit until it kills us.

300 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:09pm

re: #291 Ericus58

Tell that to the people he is describing

301 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:15pm

re: #297 ryannon

In the name of all fat, happy and stupid people, I wholeheartedly agree.

One can be fat, happy and stupid without feeling the need to invade countries to secure their resources or bankroll dictators to provide for your fat, happy and stupid lifestlye.

302 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:17pm

re: #295 EmmmieG
me too. My Girl Scout Thin Mints are in the freezer. :)

303 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:21pm
Robert Gibbs’s White House briefing has wrapped up after an hour. The most noteworthy points to come out:

• Gibbs pointedly refused to take up an offer to say the administration stood by Mubarak

• Gibbs also repeated that the “people of Egypt” would decide events – suggesting that the White House has cut the Mubarak regime loose, calling their grievances “legitimate”

• The White House confirmed that it was prepared to withhold aid from Egypt’s government.

But the tone of the administration suggests the White House has been left stranded by the swift pace of events on the ground.

The Guardian live updates

304 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:25pm

re: #293 000G

Errr. About up to one (!) million Iranians died in the Iran-Iraq war. And arguing about potential (!) protestors by comparing the hypothetical demographical development of two different states over several decades? Sorry, I don’t think you are making a lot of sense.

I rarely do, but I’m not that exigent with myself.

305 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:53pm

re: #275 WindUpBird

WHADDA YA MEAN I CAN’T DRIVE MUH BIG V8 FORD TRUCK ALL THE TIME ANY MORE *shoves pork rinds into his maw* HYUK FUCKING LIBERALS HERP DERP

That’s just insulting and sterotyping.
For many people that actually have large trucks, they just might be using them for work.

How many well-off liberals have the big cars, boats, big homes?

You’re better than that, WUB.

306 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:06:55pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Mubarak is allegedly out of the country. Might be on his way to the UK or Saudi Arabia.

What an idiot. Tahiti would be much nicer.

307 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:07:26pm

re: #302 PhillyPretzel

me too. My Girl Scout Thin Mints are in the freezer. :)

Really? On what shelf…exactly…?

308 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:07:51pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

What an idiot. Tahiti would be much nicer.

Hey!

Actually that might just be correct

/English

309 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:07:55pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout
That sounds very nice. And snow free.:)

310 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:08:04pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

What an idiot. Tahiti would be much nicer.

I’ve been out most of the day, and I just saw this tweet posted 25 minutes ago, and wondered if it meant Mubarek had left:

3 private jets leave Cairo airport under heavy security; #Egypt parliament speaker to make major announcement - NBC #Jan25
311 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:08:19pm

re: #301 ralphieboy

One can be fat, happy and stupid without feeling the need to invade countries to secure their resources or bankroll dictators to provide for your fat, happy and stupid lifestlye.

Always someone trying to harsh my mellow.

312 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:08:23pm

re: #305 Ericus58

That’s just insulting and sterotyping.
For many people that actually have large trucks, they just might be using them for work.

How many well-off liberals have the big cars, boats, big homes?

You’re better than that, WUB.

The liberals using gigantic behemoths to get 2 bags of groceries and pick up the kids from soccer practice groceries are every bit as big a part of the problem as conservatives.

Our stupidity regarding energy isn’t a partisan thing. It’s cultural.

313 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:08:44pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I’ve been out most of the day, and I just saw this tweet posted 25 minutes ago, and wondered if it meant Mubarek had left:

CRAP.
That was supposed to be a response to Gus. Now I can’t find his comment.

314 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:08:56pm

re: #307 EmmmieG
I have more than one freezer. ;)

315 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:09:24pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I’ve been out most of the day, and I just saw this tweet posted 25 minutes ago, and wondered if it meant Mubarek had left:

Al-Jazeera has reported that major business elite has fled the country earlier in the day.

316 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:09:52pm

re: #310 reine.de.tout

I’ve been out most of the day, and I just saw this tweet posted 25 minutes ago, and wondered if it meant Mubarek had left:

It’s possible but I’d be surprised if he gave up so easily. A few days of unrest and they fold up shop and flee? Maybe if they got a signal for the US that we’re cutting them off but I doubt that happened.

317 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:10:02pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

What an idiot. Tahiti would be much nicer.

My sources tell me that he is on his way to ████ and should arrive at ████ local time. He will fly in on board a private jet with registration number ████ .

//

318 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:10:11pm

re: #312 Fozzie Bear

The thing is, you can’t expect people to individually make choices that are best for the group. You have to make laws. You have to tell them “no, you can’t have a 3 ton vehicle for commuting to work.”. The market won’t decide to do anything other than sell giant freaking cars so long as gas is kept artificially cheap through subsidies, military intervention, and tax breaks.

319 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:10:50pm

I love how everyone, including the media outlets, is resorting to breathless blogging and tweeting in order to keep up with the events.

SPEED!

320 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:10:56pm

re: #317 Gus 802
ROFL.

321 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:10:57pm

re: #311 ryannon

Always someone trying to harsh my mellow.

marsh your mellow with graham crackers and hershey’s chocolate…

322 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:11:41pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

It’s possible but I’d be surprised if he gave up so easily. A few days of unrest and they fold up shop and flee? Maybe if they got a signal for the US that we’re cutting them off but I doubt that happened.

Well, if portions of the military, and the police, have sided with the protesters - I’d be folding.

323 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:12:04pm

re: #318 Fozzie Bear

The thing is, you can’t expect people to individually make choices that are best for the group. You have to make laws. You have to tell them “no, you can’t have a 3 ton vehicle for commuting to work.”. The market won’t decide to do anything other than sell giant freaking cars so long as gas is kept artificially cheap through subsidies, military intervention, and tax breaks.

I see your point, but if the government makes the laws, they must abide by them. If the elite get to use a 3 ton vehicle for going to the movies, and the common people are restricted to Yugos, sooner or later you end up with…Friday of Wrath.

324 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:12:11pm

re: #319 000G

I love how everyone, including the media outlets, is resorting to breathless blogging and tweeting in order to keep up with the events.

SPEED!

Teh internets!

Now quicker than old, slow paced media.

325 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:13:02pm

re: #291 Ericus58

You are not going to make friends and influence people with such a superior attitude.

Perhaps, but unfortunately Fozzie is correct in his assessment. We should have started spending billions in 1980. Instead we have this.

326 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:13:11pm

Someone enlarged the photo quite a bit to get this



Report: Tear gas canisters used on #Egypt protesters made in U.S., had surpassed expiration date - Al-Masry Al-Youm bit.ly

327 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:13:20pm

re: #324 HAL2010

Teh internets!

Now quicker than old, slow paced media.

The steamer should arrive in Egypt sometime early next week. Then it’s a two day trip to Cairo. //

328 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:13:20pm

re: #324 HAL2010
But it is accurate?

329 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:13:53pm

To make it worse, the tear gas used on demonstrators in Cairo had a 2008 expiration date.

330 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:14:11pm

You beat me to it!

331 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:14:24pm

re: #324 HAL2010

Teh internets!

Now quicker than old, slow paced media.

And when the government shut down the internet… the people started it up again with HAM RADIOS! :D

332 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:14:33pm

re: #323 EmmmieG

I see your point, but if the government makes the laws, they must abide by them. If the elite get to use a 3 ton vehicle for going to the movies, and the common people are restricted to Yugos, sooner or later you end up with…Friday of Wrath.

Well, that’s why you don’t make a set of laws for elites and another for everyone else. You actually have to tell people, all of them, that there are certain purposes for which 100 gallons of gas a week is acceptable, and that driving to work in a 3 ton vehicle isn’t one of them.

333 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:14:53pm
334 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:14:54pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

BreakingNews

Army secures Egyptian Museum in Cairo, protecting pharaoh treasures including death mask of boy king Tutankhamun - Reuters

Smart of them. The army plans for a stable future, regardless of what happens to Mubarak’s regime. The last thing they want is one of Egypt’s most important resources damaged or destroyed.

335 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:14:59pm

re: #299 Fozzie Bear

I consider it a given that attitude means jack shit. Actions matter.

What matters is that there are still people acting like drilling ANWR will fix our problems, and that they are taken seriously. None of this was inevitable.

At some point, the right is going to have to admit that they were horribly catastrophically wrong about our energy situation. Politically, that needs to happen, or else we will keep doing dumb shit until it kills us.

who has held up the licensing of new nuclear power plants for 30+ years?

336 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:07pm

re: #327 Gus 802

The steamer should arrive in Egypt sometime early next week. Then it’s a two day trip to Cairo. //

Don’t forget to wave at the locals, they are truly de-eelightful!

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:16pm

re: #325 wlewisiii

Perhaps, but unfortunately Fozzie is correct in his assessment. We should have started spending billions in 1980. Instead we have this.


We did spend billions starting in the 1980’s: billions on military spending to secure access to “cheap” petroleum.

338 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:29pm

re: #328 PhillyPretzel

But it is accurate?

Accurate .. enough

339 Summer Seale  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:33pm

Rumors on twitter say that Mubarak has left Egypt. Al Jazeera claims he’s going to give a speech soon.

340 elizajane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:37pm

re: #312 Fozzie Bear

The liberals using gigantic behemoths to get 2 bags of groceries and pick up the kids from soccer practice groceries are every bit as big a part of the problem as conservatives.

Our stupidity regarding energy isn’t a partisan thing. It’s cultural.

Oddly enough, this is not factually true. I just saw a study yesterday that showed that conservatives were FAR more likely to live in places with low population density, and liberals were FAR more likely to live in densely populated areas. So the hard fact here is that our Republican friends are racking up the heavy mileage on their SUVs with grocery and soccer trips. It’s their own lifestyle they are fighting for in this idiotic way, not the bikes-and-busses liberal urbanites’.

341 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:44pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

It’s possible but I’d be surprised if he gave up so easily. A few days of unrest and they fold up shop and flee? Maybe if they got a signal for the US that we’re cutting them off but I doubt that happened.

you got to know when to fold em…he does

342 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:15:52pm

Mubarak supposed to make a major announcement soon …

343 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:16:12pm

re: #331 000G
Do not laugh too hard that is how the late King Hussein of Jordan kept up with the world.

344 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:16:26pm

Two conflicting tweets, one after the other:
andylevy Andy Levy

by AntDeRosa
Reuters: Speaker Fathi Sorour says, “The matters are in safe hands, in the hands of President Hosni Mubarak, and he will act.” #Egypt
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

SandiBehrns Sandi Behrns
by PeterKenyon
Israeli channel 10 is reporting Mubarek has fled to Switzerland - no other confirmation on that. #Egypt #Jan25 #news

345 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:16:29pm

re: #335 albusteve

who has held up the licensing of new nuclear power plants for 30+ years?

It would seem that the problem has been NIMBYism. At some point the federal government needs to step in and say “we are building a nuclear plant here, we will make it as safe as humanly possible, we regret the inconvenience, and if you don’t like it, fuck off.”

346 webevintage  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:16:38pm

re: #335 albusteve

who has held up the licensing of new nuclear power plants for 30+ years?

Dems and it was wrong. I think we should also still be building hydroelectric dams.

347 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:17:03pm

Good day, all.

348 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:17:06pm

re: #312 Fozzie Bear

The liberals using gigantic behemoths to get 2 bags of groceries and pick up the kids from soccer practice groceries are every bit as big a part of the problem as conservatives.

Our stupidity regarding energy isn’t a partisan thing. It’s cultural.

and political….you seem eager to blame the citizens and that’s not entirely fair

349 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:17:12pm

Mubarak is speaking…

350 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:17:17pm

Big man speaking now…

351 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:17:20pm

mubarak is on:Here

352 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:17:36pm

re: #331 000G

And when the government shut down the internet… the people started it up again with HAM RADIOS! :D

It can be done. At least for low bandwidth applications like email. Saw it explained in an article posted elsewhere.

353 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18:01pm

Watching …

354 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18:17pm

re: #345 Fozzie Bear

It would seem that the problem has been NIMBYism. At some point the federal government needs to step in and say “we are building a nuclear plant here, we will make it as safe as humanly possible, we regret the inconvenience, and if you don’t like it, fuck off.”

nice dodge

355 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18:19pm

re: #340 elizajane

Oddly enough, this is not factually true. I just saw a study yesterday that showed that conservatives were FAR more likely to live in places with low population density, and liberals were FAR more likely to live in densely populated areas. So the hard fact here is that our Republican friends are racking up the heavy mileage on their SUVs with grocery and soccer trips. It’s their own lifestyle they are fighting for in this idiotic way, not the bikes-and-busses liberal urbanites’.

Well, I know quite a few flamingly liberal jackasses who drive GMC Yukons and the like and have 1-2 kids and never need to haul anything heavy.

Perhaps the pattern tilts toward the right on this, but it’s more cultural than it is partisan and political.

356 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18:24pm

Joke just heard at home:
Where in the world is Carmen SanDiego Mubarak?

357 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18:54pm

re: #356 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Joke just heard at home:
Where in the world is Carmen SanDiego Mubarak?

On TeeVee

358 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:19:14pm

re: #348 albusteve

and political…you seem eager to blame the citizens and that’s not entirely fair

The citizens are the ones who repeatedly vote for the assholes who think we can drill our way out of this mess. They bear the blame.

359 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:19:31pm

re: #268 Fozzie Bear

Exactly. And we will pay dearly for it, because the US population is too fucking fat, happy, and stupid to connect the dots and realize we need to take serious action yesterday to disentangle ourselves from our dependency on middle eastern oil in particular, and oil in general.

Add drunk and that’s no way to go through life…

360 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:19:47pm

re: #37 000G

Yeah, over a billion dollars annually in military aid. It goes somewhere. I am not surprised one bit.

No one should be. Mubarak’s government is, or was, a U.S. client state. You can like that, or hate that, but it’s not like we didn’t have anything to do with these folks before last week.

361 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:19:49pm

Muburak is done. Calling it now, he’ll be out of Egypt for good in 48 hours.

362 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:19:53pm

He looks pretty good for 80.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:20:17pm

re: #41 HAL2010

I am surprised they still keep the “made in America”. But yes, Egypt is the second largest recipient of aid from the US after Israel.

I’m pleased that we still make something in America.

//

364 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:20:32pm

He’s not quitting the ship.

365 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:20:41pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

He looks pretty good for 80.

Perhaps its a stunt double. One of Saddam’s old ones who got a new gig.

366 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:20:46pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

He looks pretty good for 80.

I hear the extracted essence of billions of dollars is good for the skin. (And it cures AIDS)

367 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:20:56pm

talking about how he believes in freedom of speech. has he turned the Interwebs back on yet?

368 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:21:05pm

re: #358 Fozzie Bear

The citizens are the ones who repeatedly vote for the assholes who think we can drill our way out of this mess. They bear the blame.

we need oil in the short run, and NG….no way around it…we have an economy to drive but the fact is that doing nothing has hurt us far worse than mining oil

369 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:21:23pm

Do we even know where he is???

370 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:21:59pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

He looks pretty good for 80.

maybe it wasn’t him…I use a double when my fans might become unruly

371 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:22:14pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m pleased that we still make something in America.

//

re: #369 Varek Raith

Do we even know where he is???

Well, he appears not to be on fire so we can rule out a few places.

372 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:22:19pm

He sounds completely, utterly, totally out of touch with what has just happened.

Just get the hell out of Egypt you cretin.

373 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:22:33pm

He keeps saying “lawful aspirations”, sounds like a really weird phrase. Are there unlawful aspirations.

374 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:22:53pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

Do we even know where he is???

Not really, It could be a tape recorded earlier. No real way to tell but it doesn’t look like he’s planing on going anywhere.

375 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:00pm

re: #358 Fozzie Bear

The citizens are the ones who repeatedly vote for the assholes who think we can drill our way out of this mess. They bear the blame.

and NIMBY liberals like Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer….just to name a couple

376 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:01pm

re: #372 HAL2010

He sounds completely, utterly, totally out of touch with what has just happened.

Just get the hell out of Egypt you cretin.


They’re going to have to pry him out with a crowbar now.

377 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:10pm

Man, what a load of bull from Mubarak.

378 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:13pm

“Trust me. I’ve been you’re leader. For 30 years.”

//

379 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:14pm

re: #373 BishopX

He keeps saying “lawful aspirations”, sounds like a really weird phrase. Are there unlawful aspirations.

According to Mubarak?
Overthrowing Mubarak.

380 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:15pm

He’s trying to sound like a nice guy. It’s weird.

381 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:37pm

re: #372 HAL2010

He sounds completely, utterly, totally out of touch with what has just happened.

Just get the hell out of Egypt you cretin.

Yeah, claiming to be the defender of freedom against the marauders is not the right tactic to take right now. He talks only about what he’ll continue to do, nothing new.

382 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:39pm

re: #366 Fozzie Bear

I hear the extracted essence of billions of dollars is good for the skin. (And it cures AIDS)

You literally can sure AIDS with millions. Bone marrow transfusion from someone who is immune. Works but not feasible for all.

383 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:44pm

re: #373 BishopX

He keeps saying “lawful aspirations”, sounds like a really weird phrase. Are there unlawful aspirations.

My Guitar wants to kill your mama.
/Unlawful aspiration.

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:23:44pm

re: #79 brookly red

don’t laugh, Iran wants it’s empire back.

Folks in hell would like some ice water.

385 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:09pm

“We will continue our reforms” … “I am on the side of the poor people” … “stable, civilized”

386 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:15pm

“blah blah blah blah blah”

-mubarak

387 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:22pm

re: #376 ryannon

They’re going to have to pry him out with a crowbar now.

The army C&C is coming back to Egypt soon. Stay tuned.

388 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:38pm

(applause)

389 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:41pm

re: #380 Charles

I think he’s trying to address some strawmen rather than addressing the problems with the regime.

390 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:48pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

Do we even know where he is???

a secure undisclosed location.
//

391 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:24:55pm

re: #94 darthstar

From the Camp David peace accords in 1978 until 2000 (the latest year for which figures are available), the United States has subsidized Egypt’s armed forces with over $38 billion worth of aid. Egypt receives about $2 billion annually—$1.3 billion in foreign military financing and about $815 million in economic support fund assistance —making it the second largest regular recipient of conventional U.S. military and economic aid, after Israel.
[Link: www.fas.org…]

Mysteriously, they are seldom mentioned as number two by the people who wax lyrical about how much aid Israel gets.

392 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:25:02pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

(applause)

(or else)

393 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:25:03pm

re: #380 Charles

He’s trying to sound like a nice guy. It’s weird.

Uncle Mu

394 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:25:10pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

(applause)

Pics of Jumbotrons or it didn’t happen!

395 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:25:16pm

He’s probably wondering why we haven’t sent more explodey things that say “Made in the USA” to help him.

396 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:25:23pm

re: #100 darthstar

Some peace accord…we’ll give you both all the military aid you want if you promise not to shoot each other.

It’s worked pretty well.

397 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:25:35pm

I think Mubarak needs a hug.

398 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:26:08pm

re: #397 Charles

I think Mubarak needs a hug.

A bearhug. A long, slow, crushing kind of a bearhug.

399 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:26:13pm

a (Mu) bear hug

400 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:26:14pm

re: #397 Charles

I think Mubarak needs a hug.

And a nice cuppa’.

401 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:26:40pm

This sounds a tad like our SOTU heh.. We must win the future!

402 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:26:44pm

haha, the live critiques of the speech offered by the #Jan25 people on twitter are awesome.

403 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:26:44pm

I don’t think he gets that it was the middle class rioting….

404 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:01pm

someone just make zahi hawass the new president and lets move on

405 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:02pm

re: #391 SanFranciscoZionist

Mysteriously, they are seldom mentioned as number two by the people who wax lyrical about how much aid Israel gets.

we bought Mu, plain and simple…and it’s worked
I have no problem with it

406 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:04pm

Get to the choppa (Mubarak)!

407 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:16pm

re: #378 Gus 802

“Trust me. I’ve been you’re leader. For 30 years.”

//

“And all I need is 30 more.”

408 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:46pm

WHAT….

409 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:46pm

re: #402 000G

haha, the live critiques of the speech offered by the #Jan25 people on twitter are awesome.



TheRubzZzEffect #Mubarak PEOPLE ARE NOT IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!! Fuck you & your fuckin ‘PLANS’!! Step down alreadyy!!!!! #Egypt #Jan25

Love it!

410 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:48pm

re: #407 ryannon

“And all I need is 30 more.”

“I am not a crook.”

411 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:50pm

he is dissolving the government?

412 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:27:51pm

Did he just step down?

413 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:02pm

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit………..

414 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:19pm

What the hell just happened?

415 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:29pm

Wait what?

416 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:37pm

So he’s promising reforms and axing the parliament…

417 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:38pm

re: #384 SanFranciscoZionist

Folks in hell would like some ice water.

Nahh,, I’m fine, but thanks!

418 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:40pm

Wholly fuck.

419 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:46pm

ahhhhh! my feed froze!

420 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:28:59pm

re: #412 Sionainn

Did he just step down?

I think he’s stepping everyone else down, but not himself.

421 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:01pm

re: #411 BishopX

he is dissolving the government?

Well, kind of. He’s going to rearrange the furniture.

422 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:01pm

So he’s staying, but putting in a new government?

423 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:02pm

No, he didn’t step down. He called for a new government, meaning a new puppet government.

424 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:17pm

Government to dissolve.

425 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:20pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

FoldsOfFlab

When I hear Egypt, many things come to mind. The Pharoahs, the pyramids at Giza, Suez Canal, and the former governor of Arkansas.

Now having an image of Huckabee wearing a shenti and the Double Crown. Thanks a lot.

426 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:33pm

This is probably one of the dumbest things ive ever seen a dictator do.

427 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:38pm

Did he just fire the whole government except himself?

That’ll really make the people happy.

YEAH.

428 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:41pm

Hahahaha – he wants to give the protestors EVERYTHING … except his own disposal.

Excuse my French: What a dope.

429 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:54pm

re: #396 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s worked pretty well.

whether he represses his people has nothing to do with our aid to Egypt….call it a twofer….we might have allowed Israel to utterly destroy his military in the Sinai in 73…he took the bait and lived in luxury all this time

430 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:29:57pm

It’s not going down well with the protesters.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:19pm

re: #177 oaktree

I commented to someone the other day that most cultures have methods or established behaviors to support the consumption of fluids that have been boiled or otherwise treated to make them potable. Wine, beer, tea, coffee, etc.

And in many times and places drinking water was a sign of being in the lower classes.

The medieval English reported in horror that the peasants in France drank water instead of ale. In England, even the serfs only drank water as part of penance.

432 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:21pm

OK

Resume protests.

433 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:30pm

re: #402 000G

haha, the live critiques of the speech offered by the #Jan25 people on twitter are awesome.

SultanAlQassemi

The biggest bullshit speech that any aging dictator has ever made in history. What a load of crap.

434 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:51pm

“Peace out, bitches!”
-Mubarak

435 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:52pm

What an idiot. He probably could have kept half the government if he just resigned. Any replaced government, run by him, will be futile.

436 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:52pm

re: #410 Gus 802

“I am not a crook.”


and poor Checkers!
so unfair

437 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:30:55pm

hahaha

is there where the people of egypt rise up en masse now and mubarack flees in his giant space pyramid through the stargate?

438 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:31:11pm

ok so he just fired everyone save himself? Talk about not knowing who the problem is.

439 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:31:13pm

re: #434 Varek Raith

“Peace out, bitches!”
-Mubarak

hahahahhahaha… Probably could have added a troll face at the end there.

440 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:31:28pm

re: #432 Gus 802

OK

Resume protests.

to 11.

441 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:31:47pm

re: #437 SpaceJesus

hahaha

is there where the people of egypt rise up en masse now and mubarack flees in his giant space pyramid through the stargate?

Yup,, then he’ll be YOUR problem!!

442 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:31:50pm

re: #428 000G

Hahahaha – he wants to give the protestors EVERYTHING … except his own disposal.

Excuse my French: What a dope.

somebody give him a dingdown

443 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:31:54pm

re: #438 Dreggas

ok so he just fired everyone save himself? Talk about not knowing who the problem is.

“No, no, they’re saying ‘Mubarak is down’! Means you’re hip!”

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:01pm

re: #208 000G

It’s pretty clear he is not in power anymore. I even doubt he is still in Egypt.

Walter tells us it’s nice in France right now.

445 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:07pm

So who wants to bet he’ll be out of the country in a few days?

446 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:09pm

Speech was bull crap. He must really believe the Egyptian people are truly dumb.

Bye bye Mubarak. Maybe not tonight, then tomorrow.

447 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:27pm

AJ- He just sacked the defense minister…who controls the military….

448 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:33pm

re: #445 Dreggas

So who wants to bet he’ll be out of the country in a few days?

They’re keeping that 707 fueled I imagine

449 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:39pm

re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist

Walter tells us it’s nice in France right now.

It’s GREAT in France right now


((now that Walter is back in Colorado!!))

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:41pm

re: #212 000G

Furthermore: Iran is Shia. Egypt (and MB) is Sunni.

And Iran is Persian. Egypt is Arab. Not that the Iranians haven’t been willing to cross lines from time to time, but…

451 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:43pm

Gee..
The people seem more pissed…
Wonder why…
/

452 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:47pm

re: #430 ryannon

It’s not going down well with the protesters.

ah, no….people are dead, and there will be retribution….either soon or 500 years from now

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:32:58pm

re: #215 darthstar

THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD! THEY ALL WORSHIP THE BAD GOD!
/// - I wish.

Tash?

454 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:12pm

Uh oh. Looks like people are taking to the streets of Cairo after Mubarak’s little speech…

Reviews are not positive.

455 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:12pm

can we get a new thread? this one is movin real slow

456 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:21pm

i facebook friended my egyptian tour guide from last year but he has been oddly silent these past days. i wonder if they took down fb over there or something

457 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:31pm
FTW RT @michaelwhitney @dcwumpus: What a horrible speech. I can’t believe this guy got 95% of the vote.

lol

458 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:35pm

re: #454 Charles

Uh oh. Looks like people are taking to the streets of Cairo after Mubarak’s little speech…

Reviews are not positive.

Didn’t think so.

459 sagehen  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:38pm

re: #334 SanFranciscoZionist

Smart of them. The army plans for a stable future, regardless of what happens to Mubarak’s regime. The last thing they want is one of Egypt’s most important resources damaged or destroyed.

Also a big show of nationalist pride, and respect for the continuity of their culture.

460 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:33:46pm

re: #456 SpaceJesus

i facebook friended my egyptian tour guide from last year but he has been oddly silent these past days. i wonder if they took down fb over there or something

Maybe you suck at tipping.

462 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:34:19pm
Frederikvlc_normal FrederikvLC : Everything ██is█████ ████ ████fine ███ █ ████ love. ████ █████ the ███ Egypt ███ ████ government ██ #jan25 #Egypt #censorship”#Egypte

Win.

463 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:34:47pm

”,, and I will name new gov’t tomorrow.
Let me introduce you to my cousin Hosni,, and my other cousin Hosni,, and my brother Hosni,, and my other brother Hosni,,,”

464 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:34:54pm

re: #459 sagehen

Also a big show of nationalist pride, and respect for the continuity of their culture.

Really, if this is their first showing to the international community… saving priceless treasures is a much better first appearance than mass murder…

465 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:35:13pm

re: #455 Dreggas

can we get a new thread? this one is movin real slow

I’m swift as can be

466 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:35:34pm

re: #461 000G

I love that picture.

467 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:35:36pm

Just want to say its been really great experiencing this alongside everyone at LGF. One of the more historic days I’ve ever witnessed in my relatively short life.

468 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:35:39pm

People still chanting “down, down, down with Mubarak!”

HOW doesn’t he get this?

469 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:35:42pm

re: #460 McSpiff


no way, we’ve been best buds over the past year. he hasn’t been on at all

470 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:35:49pm

re: #456 SpaceJesus

i facebook friended my egyptian tour guide from last year but he has been oddly silent these past days. i wonder if they took down fb over there or something

Believe so. Check out this chart of internet activity. Amazing.

andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:36:03pm

re: #257 brookly red

again you may be right…but Iran used force to take care of their “problems” why could it not happen here? Just asking?

Because Iran had a centralized power base that wasn’t going to give up power, and was willing to kill to keep it.

Egypt is less centralized, and the military are their own authority. Not saying things couldn’t get bad, but I’m hopeful that they won’t get as bad as they might.

472 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:36:03pm

re: #468 HAL2010

People still chanting “down, down, down with Mubarak!”

HOW doesn’t he get this?

he doesn’t understand English!!

473 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:36:18pm

re: #437 SpaceJesus

hahaha

is there where the people of egypt rise up en masse now and mubarack flees in his giant space pyramid through the stargate?

haha I feel bad for laughing so hard at this XD

474 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:36:23pm

re: #468 HAL2010

People still chanting “down, down, down with Mubarak!”

HOW doesn’t he get this?

he’s putting his life at risk

475 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:36:49pm

re: #467 Alexzander

Just want to say its been really great experiencing this alongside everyone at LGF. One of the more historic days I’ve ever witnessed in my relatively short life.

It’s nothing compared to the Gaza Rooster.

476 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:37:00pm

re: #463 sattv4u2

”,, and I will name new gov’t tomorrow.
Let me introduce you to my cousin Hosni,, and my other cousin Hosni,, and my brother Hosni,, and my other brother Hosni,,,”

And my son Gamal. No one comment on his slightly singed eye brows, he was working late last night!

477 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:37:07pm

re: #472 sattv4u2

he doesn’t understand English!!

HA, touche.

478 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:37:09pm

re: #462 HAL2010

Win.

man, that format just sucks, if you want an art review

479 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:38:03pm

Mubarak futures aren’t looking very good.

//

480 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:38:15pm

/so if we just go to the streets and shout down, down, down…

no I didn’t think so…

481 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:38:26pm

re: #475 ryannon

It’s nothing compared to the Gaza Rooster.

that was fun…even I sat drooling into an unmoving nannycam for hours….then KA BOOOM!

482 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:38:56pm

Blame everyone but himself & fire all the subordinates? I didn’t know Mubarak was a Republican! ///

Only minutes in the protesters started chanting again. He’s a short timer even if he doesn’t want to admit it. I have to wonder if the Army isn’t “giving him enough rope”.

483 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:26pm

re: #478 albusteve

I never was a big arts fan.

484 Funky_Gibbon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:36pm

Well after that speech things are really going to kick off.

485 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:44pm

re: #481 albusteve

that was fun…even I sat drooling into an unmoving nannycam for hours…then KA BOOOM!

Good times!

486 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:53pm

I think they wanted to hear Mubarak say, “I suck and I’m leaving on a jet plane. Thanks for all the fish.”

//

487 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:59pm

SultanAlQassemi

RT @MotherJones RT @the_hip_hapa RT @sivavaid:

To Mubarak, denial IS just a river in #Egypt.

488 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:17pm

I’m watching a revolution, live… on my cell phone. The future is weeeeirrrd

489 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:18pm

re: #484 Funky_Gibbon

Hmmmmmm

Funky_Gibbon

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 2, 2009 at 10:02 am
No. of comments posted: 24
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490 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:49pm

re: #488 McSpiff

I’m watching a revolution, live… on my cell phone. The future is weeeirrrd

Can you tell me tonights lottery numbers?

491 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:55pm

I’ll probably catch some flak over this… but there was something Bush was probably correct on. Whether final outcome is good or ill, do you think now that standing up a Democracy in Iraq might be having some influence?

492 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:41:29pm

re: #490 sattv4u2

Can you tell me tonights lottery numbers?

There’s an app for that.

////I wish

493 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:41:59pm

re: #395 Fozzie Bear

He’s probably wondering why we haven’t sent more explodey things that say “Made in the USA” to help him.

If you can’t keep your tinpot dictatorship together on a billion a year, tax-free, you may be in the wrong line of work.

494 Funky_Gibbon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:42:03pm

re: #489 sattv4u2

Hmmm

Funky_Gibbon

(Logged in)
Registered since: Dec 2, 2009 at 10:02 am
No. of comments posted: 24
No. of Pages posted: 0

And? What was the point of posting that?

495 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:42:32pm

re: #491 Thanos

I’ll probably catch some flak over this… but there was something Bush was probably correct on. Whether final outcome is good or ill, do you think now that standing up a Democracy in Iraq might be having some influence?

No flak from me

no telling IF or IF NOT, but it’s certainly plausable

496 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:42:42pm

re: #491 Thanos

I’ll probably catch some flak over this… but there was something Bush was probably correct on. Whether final outcome is good or ill, do you think now that standing up a Democracy in Iraq might be having some influence?

Not as much as Facebook and Twitter.

497 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:42:48pm

re: #491 Thanos

I’ll probably catch some flak over this… but there was something Bush was probably correct on. Whether final outcome is good or ill, do you think now that standing up a Democracy in Iraq might be having some influence?


of course….supporters of that fight have been waiting for this and you won’t get any flak from me

498 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:43:51pm

Overheard in twitter:

RT @kalsoom82: Mubarak: I just got off phone with my buddy Musharaf and he, like, totally told me to start a Facebook page. Fan me, OMGZ.

499 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:44:01pm

re: #494 Funky_Gibbon

And? What was the point of posting that?

Just a “we shall see// buyer beware”

Do you have a problem with it being pointed out that you have two dozen posts in two full years?

500 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:44:59pm

re: #499 sattv4u2

Just a “we shall see// buyer beware”

Do you have a problem with it being pointed out that you have two dozen posts in two full years?

Some people type slowly.

Sheesh.

501 sagehen  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:45:26pm

re: #491 Thanos

I’ll probably catch some flak over this… but there was something Bush was probably correct on. Whether final outcome is good or ill, do you think now that standing up a Democracy in Iraq might be having some influence?

I’d give a lot more credit to things in the last 2-3 years — Iran, Tunisia… and at the risk of sounding like an Obamabot, his measured reaction and speaking out for the protesters on both occasions.

Gibbs presser today, we were conspicuously nonsupportive of Mubarek, and made noises about stopping aid if the protests are put down too harshly.

502 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:46:16pm

re: #496 ryannon

Bull. Before facebook and twitter there were mimeograph machines, it’s just a freaking medium of communication, don’t over rate it’s influence, it’s the method not the cause. Unless of course you are one o’ those “le3T!” guys in Anon…

503 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:46:29pm

re: #500 ryannon

Some people type slowly.

Sheesh.

Well,, I WAS enjoying that beer, until it spewed all over my monitor!!!

Thanks!

504 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:56pm

re: #464 McSpiff

Really, if this is their first showing to the international community… saving priceless treasures is a much better first appearance than mass murder…

Also, the real problem children would like nothing better than to destroy all that pagan junk.

505 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:49:22pm

re: #501 sagehen

There’s no doubt that there are a confluence of causes, among them the price of wheat, etc. I’m just saying having a working democracy nearby as an example probably has some influence. Small or large, who knows?

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:51:14pm

re: #468 HAL2010

People still chanting “down, down, down with Mubarak!”

HOW doesn’t he get this?

“What nonsense! My people love me! Why, just the other day, I went out in the street, and they sang, ‘We hail Prince George! We hail Prince George!’.”

“That’s ‘We HATE Prince George.’ Your Highness.”

“Really?”

507 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:51:56pm

re: #472 sattv4u2

he doesn’t understand English!!

Note to protesters: yell in Arabic, see if he responds better.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:14pm

re: #475 ryannon

It’s nothing compared to the Gaza Rooster.

I felt more confident about the outcome of that one.

509 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:29pm

re: #507 SanFranciscoZionist

Note to protesters: yell in Arabic, see if he responds better.

Thats all I’m sayin!!

/

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:41pm

re: #480 brookly red

/so if we just go to the streets and shout down, down, down…

no I didn’t think so…

Functioning democracies are a bitch like that.

511 Baier  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:56pm

Good to see we’re exporting something/

512 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:53:49pm

re: #502 Thanos

Bull. Before facebook and twitter there were mimeograph machines, it’s just a freaking medium of communication, don’t over rate it’s influence, it’s the method not the cause. Unless of course you are one o’ those “le3T!” guys in Anon…

I’d have to be a real pigeon to get involved in that.

Image: anonpigeon.jpg

513 Funky_Gibbon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:55:34pm

re: #499 sattv4u2

Just a “we shall see// buyer beware”

Do you have a problem with it being pointed out that you have two dozen posts in two full years?

No problem at all. You could just openly say you suspect I’m a sockpuppet or whatever rather than just posting stats. Say what you think, it’s politer than the whole stalker thing.

I don’t post very often because, being on the other side of the planet from most of you, I tend miss the beginning of these threads when constructive comments are being made and also I don’t really care to comment on American politics very often. I just posted today because Mubarek just made his speech and I thought it was worth commenting on.

Is that ok with you?…

514 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:11pm

Er….

[IMG]img198.imageshack.us

515 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:45pm

Forget it.

516 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:01:43pm

re: #513 Funky_Gibbon

don’t post very often because, being on the other side of the planet from most of you, I tend miss the beginning of these threads


There are lively discussions here 24/7.

also I don’t really care to comment on American politics very often.

I’d wager at least 1/3rd of the discussions here are international in scope

Is that ok with you?..

Shouldn’t matter either way, should it?

517 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:17pm

re: #514 ryannon

Er…

[IMG][Link: img198.imageshack.us…]

The 404 NOT FOUND is fascinating!

518 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:51pm

re: #192 Obdicut

Hell, even just doing business with Bank of America isn’t advisable.

No sarcasm. I hate them.

I don’t use BoA, I use another GlomCo bank, but I’m probably going to just start moving my banking to a credit union, I just don’t want anything to do with any of them

519 Funky_Gibbon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:06:52pm

re: #516 sattv4u2

Shouldn’t matter either way, should it?

You’re right, it doesn’t. You might want to be a bit more welcoming though. It’d might encourage more posts.

Goodnight. ;)

520 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:09:34pm

re: #519 Funky_Gibbon

You’re right, it doesn’t. You might want to be a bit more welcoming though. It’d might encourage more posts.

Goodnight. ;)

Since when am I the Welcome Wagon

You seem pretty defensive though. I addressed your post with factual points and for that, you leave

Makes one wonder why

521 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:30:35pm

re: #520 sattv4u2

Since when am I the Welcome Wagon

You seem pretty defensive though. I addressed your post with factual points and for that, you leave

Makes one wonder why

You hogged at the beer again, as usual.

522 spiderx  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:01:59pm

such an underrated cure song

523 drool  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 11:14:33am

I guess the media hasn’t bothered to look at the Egyptian military equipment in the streets while they are focusing on tear gas canisters. Those are M-60 tanks and M113 armored personnel carriers, folks…..made in USA.


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