Egypt Uprising - Mubarak Speaks, Makes Things Worse

Mubarak asks his government to resign
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Well, Hosni Mubarak just gave a very unwise speech, concluding by firing the whole government except himself.

CNN reports that they’re seeing people pouring out into the streets of Cairo right now. Here’s a new thread to stay on top of breaking developments, since the previous thread was getting quite large…

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1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:41pm

Thanks Charles. I am sure (knowing my luck) it’s just me, but in IE8 once it gets over 300 comments it starts to slow down with the auto-refresh.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:39:42pm

I am throwing everyone under the bus! Cheer me on!

3 beartiger  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:15pm

Every day, my jaw drops more in horror and disbelief.

4 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:50pm

know when to hold up, know when to fold up, …

he needs to get the fight or flight thing happening.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:40:57pm

re: #3 beartiger


is you name a pun in German? I mean an intentional one?

6 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:41:16pm

“Hey Egypt, screw you!”

- Mubarak

7 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:41:41pm

re: #3 beartiger

Every day, my jaw drops more in horror and disbelief.

well why is that?

8 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:42:05pm

SultanAlQassemi

To Mubarak, denial IS just a river in #Egypt.

9 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:43:07pm
foto8 RT @tarawnah: Wow. #Mubarak finally proves the DeNile really is a river in #Egypt. He deserves credit for that. #Jan25
10 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:43:10pm

So I guess the speaker won’t be making a statement…?

11 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:43:55pm

As Mubarak is going to be unable to get any new appointed government going and working, expect people to now more and more come out and try to position themselves in the grand grab for power.

12 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:44:19pm

Whoa. Things are getting intense in Cairo. CNN live feed is starting to get pretty scary.

13 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:44:41pm

Have the executive jet pilots been fired too?
/

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:44:56pm

Big crowds chanting, cars honking… a lot of people in the streets.

15 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:45:20pm

re: #14 Charles

can you post a link to the feed?

16 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:45:26pm

On CNN.
“Breaking News
The Egyptian people hate you”

17 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:45:26pm

Widely circulated demands of the protestors:

manalaa.net

18 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:45:39pm

the last facebook post by my egpytian friend on tuesday

فيومى أو شرقاوى واحد فيهم و الحق يفهم المهم قال لمرته
تعرفي إن الخلفاء العباسيين
: كان لهم ألقابهم زي
المعتصم بالله
المتوكل على الله
…الواثق بالله
فلو كنت أنا منهم فكرك
أي لقب كان يناسبني ؟؟
: فقالت : أنت واحد من إثنين
إما أعوذ بالله


anybody speak arabic?

19 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:45:57pm

mubarak:

i’ll give you all the democracy you want as long as i still get to be dictator

20 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:46:02pm

re: #14 Charles

What are the right wing blogs saying?

Following from Bush, shouldn’t they be jumping with joy?

21 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:46:37pm

Mubarak is toast.

22 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:47:19pm

re: #18 SpaceJesus

the last facebook post by my egpytian friend on tuesday

فيومى أو شرقاوى واحد فيهم و الحق يفهم المهم قال لمرته
تعرفي إن الخلفاء العباسي& #1610;ن
: كان لهم ألقابهم زي
المعتصم بالله
المتوكل على الله
…الواثق بالله
فلو كنت أنا منهم فكرك
أي لقب كان يناسبني ؟؟
: فقالت : أنت واحد من إثنين
إما أعوذ بالله


anybody speak arabic?

i haz gots teh google for that:

Fiume or Sharqawi, one of them and said it is important to understand the right twice
Know that the Abbasid caliphs & # 1610; n
: They had their surnames Z
Billah
Mutawakkil God
… GTStephen
If I were your mind
No title was for me??
: She said: “You are one of the two
Either seek refuge in Allah

23 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:05pm

funky Tut…

24 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:09pm

Here’s a live stream at CNN:

cnn.com

25 beartiger  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:15pm

re: #5 ralphieboy

You’re the first to have spotted that, or at least to have mentioned anything, in over a decade of my using that handle. Kudos.

26 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:26pm

re: #20 HAL2010

What are the right wing blogs saying?

Following from Bush, shouldn’t they be jumping with joy?

I think the wingnuts are waiting for Obama to pick a side so they can pick the opposite side. They’re mostly grumbling that Obama’s not making a strong statement one way or the other.

27 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:37pm

re: #22 engineer dog

i haz gots teh google for that:

Fiume or Sharqawi, one of them and said it is important to understand the right twice
Know that the Abbasid caliphs & # 1610; n
: They had their surnames Z
Billah
Mutawakkil God
… GTStephen
If I were your mind
No title was for me??
: She said: “You are one of the two
Either seek refuge in Allah

A passage from the qur’an?

28 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:48:53pm

re: #24 Charles

Here’s a live stream at CNN:

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Was just looking for this, thank you.

29 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:49:28pm
30 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:49:42pm

re: #24 Charles

Thanks, AJ has devolved into analysis.

31 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:50:20pm

re: #14 Charles

Big crowds chanting, cars honking… a lot of people in the streets.

Detroit after the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup??

Oh ,, wait ,, Cairo!!

32 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:50:35pm

re: #30 BishopX

And CNN is running canned footage.

33 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:50:39pm

re: #12 Charles

Whoa. Things are getting intense in Cairo. CNN live feed is starting to get pretty scary.

They are rebroadcasting Egyptian State TV, right? It kinda makes sense that the government would try to frame the protestors as violent, scary anarchists just setting things on fire, etc.

34 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:50:45pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I think the wingnuts are waiting for Obama to pick a side so they can pick the opposite side. They’re mostly grumbling that Obama’s not making a strong statement one way or the other.

Mind, I can understand that. A strang backing of the protests would be nice.

35 researchok  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:50:46pm

re: #30 BishopX

Thanks, AJ has devolved into analysis.

Have they blamed Israel yet?

36 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:51:09pm

re: #22 engineer dog

ah. he is pretty religious.

37 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:51:30pm

re: #35 researchok

no actually….they’re been pretty outstanding all day.

38 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:51:30pm

re: #35 researchok

Have they blamed Israel yet?

Not that I’ve heard

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:09pm

re: #23 albusteve

God, the stuff we used to find funny when we were stoned…

40 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:12pm

re: #35 researchok

Have they blamed Israel yet?

that’s what I’m waiting for…not specifically

41 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:52:45pm

/a few hundred thousand people marching in the streets? It might just be a tea party… LOL

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:53:44pm

re: #34 HAL2010

Mind, I can understand that. A strang backing of the protests would be nice.

Probably not. Open US support would undermine their credibility as an Egyptian popular uprising. It would also complicate relations with the Egyptian government because Mubarak is probably going to retain power. Just like with Iran, it’s best US statements remain vague and fairly general.

43 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:53:57pm

re: #35 researchok

Have they blamed Israel yet?

/no but who needs Israel when you have Palin?

44 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:53:58pm

re: #33 000G

They are rebroadcasting Egyptian State TV, right? It kinda makes sense that the government would try to frame the protestors as violent, scary anarchists just setting things on fire, etc.

We need a rooster cam.

45 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:54:43pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

We need a rooster cam.

It’s always all about the cock with you, isn’t it!

46 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:54:54pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Open US support would undermine their credibility as an Egyptian popular uprising. It would also complicate relations with the Egyptian government because Mubarak is probably going to retain power. Just like with Iran, it’s best US statements remain vague and fairly general.

Well, Iran is not Egypt. My guess is that this is Mubarak’s last hurrah.

47 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:54:59pm

re: #35 researchok

Have they blamed Israel yet?

You know sometimes that is appropriate but right now it’s kind of insulting to the struggle these people are partaking in.

48 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:55:02pm

re: #25 beartiger

You’re the first to have spotted that, or at least to have mentioned anything, in over a decade of my using that handle. Kudos.

Can it be explained to those who are pretty much illiterate in German?

49 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:55:49pm

According to the Telegraph,,,,

Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising

The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned.


Maybe, maybe not.

50 researchok  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:01pm

Der Spiegel:

Concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood

Israel Fears Regime Change in Egypt

Israel is watching developments in Egypt with concern. The government is standing by autocratic Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, out of fear that the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood could take power and start supplying arms to Hamas.

Israel is usually a country where politicians have an opinion on any topic, and vociferously so. But in recent days, Israel’s leadership has been unusually silent on a certain question. No one, it seems, is willing to make an official comment on the ongoing unrest in Egypt, where protesters have been holding anti-government rallies. It’s not because Israel does not care about the riots ravaging its southern neighbor — on the contrary, Israeli news channels, normally prone to parochialism, have been closely following recent events in the Arab world, from Tunisia to Lebanon.

51 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:03pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

Can it be explained to those who are pretty much illiterate in German?

and, like me, partially literate in English?

52 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:13pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

Can it be explained to those who are pretty much illiterate in German?

Bear = Bär
Bärtiger = beardy (one)

53 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:15pm

re: #39 ralphieboy

God, the stuff we used to find funny when we were stoned…

walk like an Egyptian

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:56:19pm

re: #18 SpaceJesus

the last facebook post by my egpytian friend on tuesday

فيومى أو شرقاوى واحد فيهم و الحق يفهم المهم قال لمرته
تعرفي إن الخلفاء العباسي& #1610;ن
: كان لهم ألقابهم زي
المعتصم بالله
المتوكل على الله
…الواثق بالله
فلو كنت أنا منهم فكرك
أي لقب كان يناسبني ؟؟
: فقالت : أنت واحد من إثنين
إما أعوذ بالله

anybody speak arabic?

Sorry.

55 researchok  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:57:17pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

According to the Telegraph,,,

Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising


Maybe, maybe not.

I don’t buy it.

56 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:57:25pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Open US support would undermine their credibility as an Egyptian popular uprising. It would also complicate relations with the Egyptian government because Mubarak is probably going to retain power. Just like with Iran, it’s best US statements remain vague and fairly general.

agreed…stand back and STFU

57 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:57:26pm

re: #52 000G

I should add that it only works if you pronounce Bear as an English word and Tiger as a German word.

58 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:57:27pm

re: #50 researchok

Der Spiegel:

Concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood

Israel Fears Regime Change in Egypt

well they should…

59 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:57:29pm

re: #18 SpaceJesus

anybody speak arabic?
Yes ,, billions of Arabs

next question!

60 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:57:44pm

re: #52 000G

Bear = Bär
Bärtiger = beardy (one)

Thanks!

61 HAL2010  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:58:17pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

According to the Telegraph,,,

Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising


Maybe, maybe not.

Same paper:

We must learn the lessons of history: Egypt’s political system needs to be modified rather than replaced outright, argue George Grant and Alexandros Petersen.

They could be right, but then again they could be rather off. The article I thought was rather .. vague.

62 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:58:30pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

According to the Telegraph,,,

Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising


Maybe, maybe not.

Telegraph is notorious for spreading false news. Buyer beware!

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:58:45pm

re: #20 HAL2010

What are the right wing blogs saying?

Following from Bush, shouldn’t they be jumping with joy?

I’m curious how this will go down with our friends listening at home.

The crazy left, at least a section, has decided to embrace the protesters wholeheartedly, but they’re hoping the MB gets in.

The oddball right seems to have mostly dropped the neocon vision for a democratic Middle East at this point, so I’m not sure what they’ll make of all this, except that it is definitely going to be Obama’s fault.

64 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:59:11pm

re: #58 brookly red

well they should…

hard to imagine a govt as benevolent toward Israel as this one…but people need to see the benefits of not sucker punching Israel into a shooting war

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:59:38pm

re: #27 HAL2010

A passage from the qur’an?

It sounds like poetry or scripture, but I don’t understand the reference.

66 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:00:00pm
@omarbaddar Omar Baddar
Joke of the day — Obama: “Hosni, I think you need to write your goodbye letter to your people.” Hosni Mubarak: “Why? Where are they going?”
67 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:00:12pm

re: #61 HAL2010

Same paper:

They could be right, but then again they could be rather off. The article I thought was rather .. vague.

hedging bets… why not say both and then claim to be right ?

68 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:01:11pm

anybody else a Goldfish cracker addict?

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:01:24pm

Rachael Ray look alike on Al Jazeera.
Maybe she’ll fry up some falafael.

70 Summer Seale  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:01:58pm

re: #1 Dreggas

Thanks Charles. I am sure (knowing my luck) it’s just me, but in IE8 once it gets over 300 comments it starts to slow down with the auto-refresh.

You should be using Chrome, Firefox, or Safari. =P

71 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:13pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Rachael Ray look alike on Al Jazeera.
Maybe she’ll fry up some falafael.

they know who their audience is…

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:14pm

re: #68 albusteve

anybody else a Goldfish cracker addict?

[raises hand]
One reason I stopped buying them.

73 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:20pm

re: #68 albusteve

anybody else a Goldfish cracker addict?

cheez-its but I do love the fishes cuz they’re so delicious

74 researchok  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:39pm

More regional tinder:

Palestinian diaspora could be denied vote

Millions of Palestinian refugees and their descendants who today live in countries such as Lebanon and Jordan will not be allowed to vote on a future peace deal with Israel, the chief Palestinian negotiator is reported as saying.

The statement, which is likely to cause fresh embarrassment to the Palestinian leadership, is contained in the latest batch of 1,600 sensitive diplomatic documents leaked to al-Jazeera, the Arab news channel.

Saeb Erekat is quoted as telling the Belgian foreign minister in March 2007: “I never said the [Palestinian] diaspora will vote [in a referendum on a future peace deal]. It’s not going to happen. The referendum will be for Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Can’t do it in Lebanon. Can’t do it in Jordan.”

75 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:44pm

re: #70 Summer

You should be using Chrome, Firefox, or Safari. =P

yeah yeah. I’m at work and IE is standard.

76 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:53pm

re: #68 albusteve
:::Covering my secret stock of Pepperidge Farm Goldfish::: Nope not here :)

77 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:02:59pm

re: #68 albusteve

anybody else a Goldfish cracker addict?

my 16 y/o son

78 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:03:13pm

no word from Hamas…I wonder if the smuggling system into Gaza will still be intact?…Hamas, masters of the ME inferiority complex

79 Summer Seale  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:03:29pm

re: #75 Dreggas

yeah yeah. I’m at work and IE is standard.

I feel yer pain. =) Convince them otherwise. =)

80 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:03:43pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Rachael Ray look alike on Al Jazeera.
Maybe she’ll fry up some falafael.

You mean Al Jazeera is using woman to attract viewers? Evil.

81 Tumulus11  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:04:07pm

. ‘I have also ordered the immediate removal of the director of State Security for using tear gas that was well beyond its expiry date.’
- Hosni.

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:04:15pm

re: #73 Dreggas

cheez-its but I do love the fishes cuz they’re so delicious

My cats prefer cheez-its to goldfish. I think it has to do with the cheesy powder they can lick off the crackers.

83 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:06:01pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

The oddball right seems to have mostly dropped the neocon vision for a democratic Middle East at this point, so I’m not sure what they’ll make of all this, except that it is definitely going to be Obama’s fault.

Make no mistake: *Everything happening in Middle East funded by Iran, led or co-opted by Islamists & al-Qaida. In *every* country

Obama, the pathetic, bowing supplicant to beasts around the world, has given them permission-by-weakness to launch coups.

Next, Mubarek will suggest, I’m sure, that everyone in the Egyptian parliament sit next to each other throughout the crisis.

Then again… I found this relatively insightful: ricochet.com

84 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:06:19pm

re: #82 oaktree

My cats prefer cheez-its to goldfish. I think it has to do with the cheesy powder they can lick off the crackers.

aka agent orange…

85 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:06:22pm

I’m considering a lawsuit against P Farms….I see no uncontrollable craving warnings on their sack

86 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

You mean Al Jazeera is using woman to attract viewers? Evil.

Not a big fan of but Conan O’Brien on Hilary’s statement to the Egyptians

“Just what angry Arab men respond well too. A strong female telling them what to do!”

88 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:07:06pm

re: #85 albusteve

I’m considering a lawsuit against P Farms…I see no uncontrollable craving warnings on their sack

liberal.

89 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:07:18pm

re: #78 albusteve

no word from Hamas…I wonder if the smuggling system into Gaza will still be intact?…Hamas, masters of the ME inferiority complex

I’m surprised a few of those haven’t ended up in Cairo yet

90 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:07:24pm

Muslimerican

CNN reports: Protesters saying, “We love America, but America is backing the wrong people.” #jan25 Cairo #Egypt

91 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:07:24pm

re: #85 albusteve

I’m considering a lawsuit against P Farms…I see no uncontrollable craving warnings on their sack

The permanent stained orange fingers weren’t a “hint”!

92 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:07:48pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Probably not. Open US support would undermine their credibility as an Egyptian popular uprising. It would also complicate relations with the Egyptian government because Mubarak is probably going to retain power. Just like with Iran, it’s best US statements remain vague and fairly general.

And of course Obama will be blamed for not taking a stand. Again.

93 Mardukhai  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:07:53pm

And whose side are we supposed to be on in this revolution? The Egyptian liberal elite which is debauched with antisemitism, or the Ikhwan, or Muslim Brotherhood, which want an Islamic state and a Caliphate, and is also debauched with antisemitism?

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:09:24pm

re: #93 Mardukhai

And whose side are we supposed to be on in this revolution? The Egyptian liberal elite which is debauched with antisemitism, or the Ikhwan, or Muslim Brotherhood, which want an Islamic state and a Caliphate, and is also debauched with antisemitism?

If you figure it out, tell me. Currently I am falling back to my default position, which is “I hope as few people get shot as humanly possible in this situation.”

95 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:09:39pm

re: #93 Mardukhai

And whose side are we supposed to be on in this revolution? The Egyptian liberal elite which is debauched with antisemitism, or the Ikhwan, or Muslim Brotherhood, which want an Islamic state and a Caliphate, and is also debauched with antisemitism?

Hopefully that “either/or” is oversimplified.

96 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:09:41pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

And of course Obama will be blamed for not taking a stand. Again.

Again…

97 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:10:15pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

And of course Obama will be blamed for not taking a stand. Again. Still!!

sorry ,, low hanging fruit, and all!

98 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:10:23pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

Hopefully that “either/or” is oversimplified.

it is not… time to deal with it.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:10:46pm

re: #84 brookly red

aka agent orange…

Yep. Similar to the effect of eating crunchy Chee-tos. Another cat favorite.

Yes, my cats eat junk food. Given they’re underweight due to illness and ancient creakiness my vet has actually not scolded me for letting them hijack an occassional treat. (Though I also have to be careful to not leave the room when a bowl of them are out on the table to potentially be raided.)

One does eat her veggies though - likes to see if she can get cooked peas, corn, and rice off of me. Especially if there’s a little bit of butter involved in the equation. Freshly baked biscuits draw a lot of Cat Overlord attention as well.

100 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:10:59pm

re: #92 Sergey Romanov

And of course Obama will be blamed for not taking a stand. Again.

I doubt it…the only stand is to keep you fucking hands off Israel…so if there is a faux rage outburst it will come from the Jew haters…and they are so stupid it’s hard to take them serious

101 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:11:12pm

from the Jerusalem Post: jpost.com

102 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:11:40pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

sorry ,, low hanging fruit, and all!

I mean the Iranian situation where this issue was mirrored and where Obama wisely kept mum.

103 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:12:01pm

Okay, I’m a newly minted manager myself, but even I know that firing the whole team isn’t the best response to criticism.

104 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:12:02pm

re: #99 oaktree

Yep. Similar to the effect of eating crunchy Chee-tos. Another cat favorite.

Yes, my cats eat junk food. Given they’re underweight due to illness and ancient creakiness my vet has actually not scolded me for letting them hijack an occassional treat. (Though I also have to be careful to not leave the room when a bowl of them are out on the table to potentially be raided.)

One does eat her veggies though - likes to see if she can get cooked peas, corn, and rice off of me. Especially if there’s a little bit of butter involved in the equation. Freshly baked biscuits draw a lot of Cat Overlord attention as well.

try oatmeal?

105 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:12:32pm

re: #100 albusteve

I doubt it…the only stand is to keep you fucking hands off Israel…so if there is a faux rage outburst it will come from the Jew haters…and they are so stupid it’s hard to take them serious

We’re talking about supporting (or not supporting) the protesters, no?

106 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:12:44pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

I mean the Iranian situation where this issue was mirrored and where Obama wisely kept mum.

I know,, I was just screwing around

(a tad!!)
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107 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:12:55pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

I mean the Iranian situation where this issue was mirrored and where Obama wisely kept mum.

wisely? OK, whatever.

108 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:13:19pm

re: #105 Sergey Romanov

We’re talking about supporting (or not supporting) the protesters, no?

Some people only get one station.

109 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:13:38pm

BBIAB

110 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:13:50pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov

I mean the Iranian situation where this issue was mirrored and where Obama wisely kept mum.

Tran blew BO away…he simply has no clue regarding Iran, as POTUS that is…his blah blah blah approach is almost laughable

111 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:14:27pm

re: #85 albusteve

I’m considering a lawsuit against P Farms…I see no uncontrollable craving warnings on their sack

I have that warning on my sack.

//

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:14:47pm

re: #104 brookly red

try oatmeal?

One of them will eat that too, but only after it has cooled down. Doesn’t like the fact I put dried cherries and brown sugar in it though.

113 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:15:05pm

The Mubarak regime is staring at the precipice. He’s calling for the protests to come to an end and claims that it is part of a plot to destabilize and overthrow his government. However, he also has called for his entire cabinet to resign over their failed policies.

In the end, this boils down to an attempt for Mubarak to continue his rule while offering platitudes to the protesters. Don’t expect these moves to sit well with the protesters who will demand further concessions from the government, which still answers to Mubarak. The fact that Mubarak is making even these moves shows that he’s seriously concerned about staying in power and is grasping at straws as to what will placate the protesters. He’s going to find out real quick that the only thing that will do so is his removal from office.

After trying the Iran playbook, and finding no success, he’s now trying to take a page from the Tunisian playbook, and that isn’t any more successful.

114 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:15:10pm

re: #102 Sergey Romanov


there was a time around here where you would have gotten downdinged like crazy for saying that. just speaking from experience…

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:15:18pm

re: #107 brookly red

wisely? OK, whatever.

Of course. I mean, maybe you live in a land of US-loving rainbow-pooping unicorns, but otherwise open American support tends to discredit these movements in these particular states.

116 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:15:19pm

re: #111 Dreggas

I have that warning on my sack.

//

so, look out behind you

117 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:15:42pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

there was a time around here where you would have gotten downdinged like crazy for saying that. just speaking from experience…

LOL, I know.

118 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:15:57pm

well do we support the pro western dictator, or the Muslim Brotherhood…

damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:16:52pm

re: #118 brookly red

well do we support the pro western dictator, or the Muslim Brotherhood…

damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

Welcome to international politics. A constantly changing game.

121 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:17:35pm

re: #115 Sergey Romanov

Of course. I mean, maybe you live in a land of US-loving rainbow-pooping unicorns, but otherwise open American support tends to discredit these movements in these particular states.

you have a point… but we wasted a crisis.

122 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:18:12pm

re: #113 lawhawk

Don’t expect these moves to sit well with the protesters who will demand further concessions from the government

generally, dictators offering any concessions at all is the crack in the facade that foretells the end. you has got to be all dictator all the time or no dictator at all

123 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:18:29pm

re: #118 brookly red

well do we support the pro western dictator, or the Muslim Brotherhood…

damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

re: #118 brookly red

well do we support the pro western dictator, or the Muslim Brotherhood…

damned if we do, damned if we don’t.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:18:40pm

re: #122 engineer dog

generally, dictators offering any concessions at all is the crack in the facade that foretells the end. you has got to be all dictator all the time or no dictator at all

Sounds like an entry from the Evil Overlord list.

125 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:18:49pm

re: #122 engineer dog

generally, dictators offering any concessions at all is the crack in the facade that foretells the end. you has got to be all dictator all the time or no dictator at all

that old saw, “give them an inch and they’ll want/take a mile”.

126 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:18:53pm

re: #68 albusteve

anybody else a Goldfish cracker addict?

Amy’s White Chedder bunnies count?

127 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:19:11pm

re: #121 brookly red

you have a point… but we wasted a crisis.

wrong…we don’t even owe Egypt an opinion

128 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:19:22pm

re: #120 oaktree

Welcome to international politics. A constantly changing game.

no the same old game… do we do what is “right” or what is our best interests? PC is a bitch.

129 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:19:49pm

re: #127 albusteve

wrong…we don’t even owe Egypt an opinion

I was talking about Iran…

130 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:20:03pm

Oh, two cardinal mistakes

1) showing weakness
2) blaming it on others

The Saudis should get ready to dust off a few rooms.
Note to the General Manager of the National Bank of Egypt: Hide your gold.

131 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:20:28pm

re: #126 Alexzander

Amy’s White Chedder bunnies count?

Who is Amy?

:)

132 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:21:13pm

re: #129 brookly red

I was talking about Iran…

oh…they are miles ahead of us…BO blew that whole prime time gig

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:21:21pm

re: #121 brookly red

you have a point… but we wasted a crisis.

I’m not saying there shouldn’ve been a covert support. Though it’s risky too. But I’m sure there was something going on, even if we only so the upper parts of the iceberg, like Obama asking Twitter to postpone their shutdown to keep the good Iranian folks tweeting crucial info. And yes, it all ended badly, but it’s not like Obama or anyone else has a button that would instantly evaporate the mullahs, revguards and Ahmi (and leave the rest of Iran intact).

134 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:21:43pm

That live CNN feed is showing rivers of people in the streets and buildings on fire… serious shit going down.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:21:49pm

re: #128 brookly red

no the same old game… do we do what is “right” or what is our best interests? PC is a bitch.

And quite complicated. Are you doing what is “right” in the long or short term. And what is the “best interests” of the government in scope? Long term, short term, best for the world, best for the country, best for their political party, or even their faction within the political party?

136 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:23:12pm
Unconfirmed reports from Al Jazeera on Jan. 28 say the army and police forces are clashing in Cairo. These reports have come after reports from state-owned Egyptian satellite Al-Misriyah TV saying army leadership extended the curfew from 6 p.m. to 7 a.m. local time to the whole country.

stratfor.com

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:23:25pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

Who is Amy?

:)

Obviously someone without access to fish to make crackers out of, so she settled for the available lepus varieties.

139 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:25:25pm

re: #124 oaktree

Sounds like an entry from the Evil Overlord list.

it’s on my shelf right next to the ferengi rules of aquisition!

140 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:25:27pm

re: #133 Sergey Romanov

I’m not saying there shouldn’ve been a covert support. Though it’s risky too. But I’m sure there was something going on, even if we only so the upper parts of the iceberg, like Obama asking Twitter to postpone their shutdown to keep the good Iranian folks tweeting crucial info. And yes, it all ended badly, but it’s not like Obama or anyone else has a button that would instantly evaporate the mullahs, revguards and Ahmi (and leave the rest of Iran intact).

risky… look at the map. we invaded Iraq to the left, & Afghanistan to the right. we had creditable leverage, perhaps if we had just made a strongly worded statement? No we blew that one big time.

141 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:26:23pm

re: #137 oaktree

Obviously someone without access to fish to make crackers out of, so she settled for the available lepus varieties.

Ah, but click the link, my arboreal friend!

142 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:26:32pm

I dont think a strongly worded statement would have done anything except possibly be used against the movement

143 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:26:36pm

re: #138 Gus 802
I have seen him on TV a while ago. He was very funny.

144 Winny Spencer  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:27:16pm

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m curious how this will go down with our friends listening at home.

The crazy left, at least a section, has decided to embrace the protesters wholeheartedly, but they’re hoping the MB gets in.

The oddball right seems to have mostly dropped the neocon vision for a democratic Middle East at this point, so I’m not sure what they’ll make of all this, except that it is definitely going to be Obama’s fault.

Any visionary zeal that existed on the right after 9/11 is now gone, eclipsed by the old Charles Lindbergh-right and other isolationist freaks. What a shame.

145 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:27:20pm

re: #140 brookly red

risky… look at the map. we invaded Iraq to the left, & Afghanistan to the right. we had creditable leverage, perhaps if we had just made a strongly worded statement? No we blew that one big time.

What would have happened then? Continue please.

146 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:27:34pm

re: #134 Charles

That live CNN feed is showing rivers of people in the streets and buildings on fire… serious shit going down.

I remember Leipzig in 1989. On the day hundreds of thousands took to the streets we knew it was over.

When people lose their fear, the mighty fall. Let’s hope that the freedom loving democratic minds prevail and not Islamists.

147 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:27:57pm

rumor obama to comment shortly

148 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:28:25pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

Who is Amy?

:)

Whoops - must have confused it with Amy’s vegetarian soups/products. For some reason I always thought it was the same company. Good quality in each case anyway.

149 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:28:33pm

A strongly worded statement. An international equivalent of a sternly worded letter.

150 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:28:36pm

re: #143 PhillyPretzel

I have seen him on TV a while ago. He was very funny.

Yeah, he was hilarious. I remember seeing him a lot when I was a kid. Always with the funny sounds. Was watching a few videos of him just now — from the Dean Martin roasts. I didn’t know he was a drummer too having played with Tommy Dorsey and such. Also a WWII vet.

151 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:28:41pm

@glennbeck – has tweeted:
Egypt may be a tipping point. Yemen and Jordan also have smaller uprisings. Iran is smiling, the Saudis and Israelis are not. Pray4peace.

wtf is this

152 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:28:44pm

re: #145 Sergey Romanov

What would have happened then? Continue please.

perhaps the revolution in Iran may have gotten as far as the one in Egypt… of course now we will never know.

153 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:29:15pm

re: #147 engineer dog

rumor obama to comment shortly

another official blahment?

154 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:29:23pm

re: #147 engineer dog

rumor obama to comment shortly

I bet he tells that car-slurpy about the ditch again.

155 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:29:44pm

re: #147 engineer dog

rumor obama to comment shortly

and the world holds it breath… LOL

156 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:30:00pm

A spam message wishing a Russian woman happy new year may very well have killed her, and saved hundreds of intended targets, according to an account by The Telegraph’s Moscow correspondent, Andrew Osborn.

The woman, dubbed “The Black Widow,” who Russian authorities suspect was part of the same militant group that killed 35 people at Moscow’s Domodedovo airport on Monday, was at a house preparing for the attack, which would have occurred on New Year’s Eve at Red Square. Instead, the woman’s mobile phone, which served as the device’s detonator, was activated hours early by a spam message wishing her a happy new year. She was killed, while a man and woman suspected of being accomplices escaped from the house.

Russian security forces told The Telegraph that phones are usually kept off until the last minute for detonation, but in this case, “the terrorists were careless.”
.

157 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:30:16pm
Good one. RT @AdamSerwer ten bucks says some right wing radio host starts using the term “MuBarack Obama.” via @NickBaumann

twitter.com

158 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:30:27pm

re: #152 brookly red

perhaps the revolution in Iran may have gotten as far as the one in Egypt… of course now we will never know.

But this is a generality. Exactly how it would have happened? Hopeful people would have been more assertive? The army of unicorns would arrive? What?

159 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:30:44pm

WestWingReport

President has also spoken with Egyptian President Mubarak. White House says the call went on for 1/2 hr. #Egypt #Jan25

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:31:01pm

re: #139 engineer dog

it’s on my shelf right next to the ferengi rules of aquisition!

No one expects the Ferengi Inquisition! (oh wait, you just mispelled acquisition… Never mind.)

161 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:31:21pm

re: #147 engineer dog

rumor obama to comment shortly

If he says Egypt’s sputnick moment, I will barf.

162 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:32:02pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

But this is a generality. Exactly how it would have happened? Hopeful people would have been more assertive? The army of unicorns would arrive? What?

go find another playmate…

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:32:06pm

re: #156 engineer dog

Yeah, that’s the one I mentioned in the first Domodedovo thread.

Happy New Year!

*BOOM*

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:32:10pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Ah, but click the link, my arboreal friend!

ooo… Organic, healthy-like, goldfish like crackers. That might cause a paradigm shift to blow a clutch.

165 avanti  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:32:15pm

re: #153 albusteve

another official blahment?

My bet, he’ll say Mubarak did not go far enough to respond to the protest, we’ll see.

166 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:32:46pm

lol:

Is this a joke? RT @camanpour: Mubarak tells Egypt that he will replace the government tomorrow. Some Egyptians say that is not enough.

twitter.com

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:32:57pm

re: #161 brookly red

If he says Egypt’s sputnick moment, I will barf.

Whatever Egypt is having at the moment, it’s not a Sputnik moment.

However, if some lovely Spudnut doughnuts were to be delivered, they might well tempt all parties to sit down and discuss things over coffee and doughnuts.

168 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:02pm

re: #162 brookly red

Check. Mate.

go find another playmate…

OK.

169 recusancy  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:08pm

re: #162 brookly red

go find another playmate…

The line of someone without an answer.

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:11pm

re: #162 brookly red

go find another playmate…

That ain’t a fair question?

171 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:14pm

Obama speaks.

172 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:43pm

Al Jazeera has Obama on…

173 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:44pm

re: #161 brookly red

If he says Egypt’s sputnick moment, I will barf.

Egypt’s Challenger Moment would be worse…

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:53pm

re: #153 albusteve

another official blahment?

DIHDDIHD. And I presume there will be a outburst of criticism if he says nothing either…

175 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:33:55pm

Our first concern is preventing injury or loss of life. Calls on Mubarak to avoid violence against protesters.

176 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:34:16pm

Calls on Mubarak to open the web connections.

177 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:34:28pm

re: #168 Sergey Romanov

Check. Mate.

OK.

more like, WTF, why bother

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:34:49pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Whatever Egypt is having at the moment, it’s not a Sputnik moment.

However, if some lovely Spudnut doughnuts were to be delivered, they might well tempt all parties to sit down and discuss things over coffee and doughnuts.

Now that Palin has brought them to the public eye, I really want to try these damn doughnuts.

179 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:35:16pm

re: #177 brookly red

more like, WTF, why bother

Exactly.

180 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:35:34pm

Obama sure beats Kerry for sense and content!

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:35:46pm

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

Whatever Egypt is having at the moment, it’s not a Sputnik moment.

However, if some lovely Spudnut doughnuts were to be delivered, they might well tempt all parties to sit down and discuss things over coffee and doughnuts.

If diplomacy really worked that way then Jewish mothers would be running the world.

182 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:36:41pm

Crazy scenes, courtesy of RT:

183 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:37:13pm

OMG, I am agreeing with Obama…

184 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:37:28pm

This whole day is giving me shivers.

185 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:37:37pm

re: #180 Rightwingconspirator

Obama sure beats Kerry for sense and content!

well so do any of us…

186 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:38:01pm

Obama found the right words… siding with the Egyptian PEOPLE and THEIR government.

187 avanti  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:38:03pm

re: #183 brookly red

OMG, I am agreeing with Obama…

Cue the Twilight Zone theme.

188 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:38:10pm

re: #158 Sergey Romanov

But this is a generality. Exactly how it would have happened? Hopeful people would have been more assertive? The army of unicorns would arrive? What?

we should have taken down Irans nuke sites the minute the KSA offered their airspace to us…BO wouldn’t pull the trigger…ironically he sends 30k troops into Afghanistan to kill the Talis, but he refuses to deal with the money and inspiration behind them and their nukes for sale aspirations…he banked on some hazy sanctions with support from the Chinese and Russians!….good god, what a fucking mess he made for himself….now the whole deal is on the back burner while he campaigns….I don’t like BO, he’s an idealistic wimp

189 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:39:16pm

But hypothetically if there was wide unrest in our streets, what would we do?

190 lizzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:39:20pm

I am cautiously optimistic, If the next government will a democratic one that will great, But I am afraid that if Mubarak goes, it would be the Muslim Brotherhood who will run the next government and then we will have another Iran.

191 Winny Spencer  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:39:35pm

re: #183 brookly red

It really shouldn’t be that difficult.

I agree with him pretty much all the time.

192 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:40:09pm

re: #189 brookly red

But hypothetically if there was wide unrest in our streets, what would we do?

Depends on your analysis. Given the right circumstances I know where I’d be.

193 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:40:13pm

re: #190 lizzel

I am cautiously optimistic, If the next government will a democratic one that will great, But I am afraid that if Mubarak goes, it would be the Muslim Brotherhood who will run the next government and then we will have another Iran.

bingo.

194 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:40:52pm

re: #186 Mark Winter

Obama found the right words… siding with the Egyptian PEOPLE and THEIR government.

I am afraid that that is not going to fly with the Egyptian people, as they pretty much reject the entirety of the government currently in place. It just don’t work.

Also:

The words coming from Obama are very sad. What a lost opportunity for the “leader of the free world”. Another BS speech tonight.

195 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:41:38pm

re: #190 lizzel

I am cautiously optimistic, If the next government will a democratic one that will great, But I am afraid that if Mubarak goes, it would be the Muslim Brotherhood who will run the next government and then we will have another Iran.

This is why it is so important not to alienate the younger generation of Egyptians. We need to ally an find common group, not push them towards the space occupied by Iran.

196 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:41:51pm

Strange, when I try to access twitter (Charles’ account) from my Russian IP it says “Twitter is over capacity.

Please wait a moment and try again. For more information, check out Twitter Status »”

But works through ctunnel.

197 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:42:25pm

re: #194 000G

I am afraid that that is not going to fly with the Egyptian people, as they pretty much reject the entirety of the government currently in place. It just don’t work.

Also:

I said THEIR government
The government of the people
(which means that it’s not the current one)

199 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:43:01pm

re: #134 Charles

That live CNN feed is showing rivers of people in the streets and buildings on fire… serious shit going down.

Are you sure that’s live?
Al-Jazeera is reporting a calming of the situation in Cairo.

200 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:43:08pm

re: #192 Alexzander

Depends on your analysis. Given the right circumstances I know where I’d be.

well just hypothetically if Americans started rioting in the streets, what would our leaders do?

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:43:10pm

re: #196 Sergey Romanov

Aha, it passed. Prolly a problem with Russian servers or something.

202 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:43:41pm

re: #197 Mark Winter

I said THEIR government
The government of the people
(which means that it’s not the current one)

Siding with a hypothetical government is not really an option. I understand the dilemma of officials right now, because in Egypt there are no “good” officialy YET. But I don’t think that means you have to resort to platitudes.

203 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:44:11pm

re: #201 Sergey Romanov

Aha, it passed. Prolly a problem with Russian servers or something.

Twitter does that sometimes, I’ve had that same problem. It’s a twitter glitch, I think.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:47:24pm

re: #189 brookly red

But hypothetically if there was wide unrest in our streets, what would we do?

The National Guard would respond.

205 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:48:24pm

re: #200 brookly red

well just hypothetically if Americans started rioting in the streets, what would our leaders do?

Well I’ve been in the midst of a couple North American riots and the usual response is to demonize and jail. 1000 people were arrested in Toronto this past summer during the G20, and some of the scenes looked like Egypt today, with massive crowds, burning cards, SWAT teams with rifles, tear gass, etc. But obviously not everyone believes that to be as dire a situation as that faced by the Egyptians, and clearly it isn’t, as nobody self-immolated before the G20. But when these kinds of events happen, one’s reaction reveals where one’s political grounding lies; either in a kind of emancipatory (perhaps idealistic space?), or in a more conservative statist “stability” space.

206 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:48:27pm

the US POTUS must side with the forces of freedom, personal liberties and democracy…not to would be political suicide and damned near treasonous….that has been our message to the world for 200 years…if he believed otherwise it would be prudent to say nothing

207 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:48:34pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

The National Guard would respond.

well yes, but would they shoot or take off their uniforms and join?

208 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:48:35pm

re: #202 000G

Siding with a hypothetical government is not really an option. I understand the dilemma of officials right now, because in Egypt there are no “good” officialy YET. But I don’t think that means you have to resort to platitudes.

Only sounds like platitudes. But it’s the best he can do right now. The people in charge in Egypt will get the message.

209 Jaerik  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:49:09pm

Obama said multiple times that the US would “continue” to “work with the Egyptian government,” which is going to be understood to mean we stand by Mubarak.

210 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:50:18pm

re: #205 Alexzander

Well I’ve been in the midst of a couple North American riots and the usual response is to demonize and jail. 1000 people were arrested in Toronto this past summer during the G20, and some of the scenes looked like Egypt today, with massive crowds, burning cards, SWAT teams with rifles, tear gass, etc. But obviously not everyone believes that to be as dire a situation as that faced by the Egyptians, and clearly it isn’t, as nobody self-immolated before the G20. But when these kinds of events happen, one’s reaction reveals where one’s political grounding lies; either in a kind of emancipatory (perhaps idealistic space?), or in a more conservative statist “stability” space.

just asking, I mean if the shoe was on the other foot…

211 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:51:19pm

re: #209 Jaerik

Obama said multiple times that the US would “continue” to “work with the Egyptian government,” which is going to be understood to mean we stand by Mubarak.

and faced with the alternative, it is a good choice.

212 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:51:56pm

From The Wall Street Journal: online.wsj.com

213 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:53:07pm

re: #209 Jaerik

Obama said multiple times that the US would “continue” to “work with the Egyptian government,” which is going to be understood to mean we stand by Mubarak.

well he can hardly reject Mu out of hand because events turned against him

214 Summer Seale  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:53:29pm

re: #211 brookly red

and faced with the alternative, it is a good choice.

I’m not sure that the alternative is the Muslim Brotherhood. A lot of people in the streets are middle class and young people as well - they’re not known for being huge supporters of the brotherhood. While there may be some risk involved, I don’t get the feeling that this is an islamic revolution. I get the feeling that this is a new media age revolution which involves a lot of people on the whole spectrum, many of them who probably don’t want a religious tyranny. I may be wrong, but it may just be a risk worth taking.

215 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:53:50pm

re: #210 brookly red

just asking, I mean if the shoe was on the other foot…

Where would you be?

216 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:54:18pm

re: #209 Jaerik

Obama said multiple times that the US would “continue” to “work with the Egyptian government,” which is going to be understood to mean we stand by Mubarak.

That’s not surprising. Obama probably gave him some tips on how to appease the population, some token reforms that we might help with, etc when they talked in private. I wouldn’t expect him to publicly throw away our relationship with Egypt. If we wanted Mubarak out of Egypt he’d be gone already.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:55:54pm

re: #207 brookly red

well yes, but would they shoot or take off their uniforms and join?

Why are we rioting again?

219 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:57:24pm

Non violence is the key. The military may not shoot at people cheering them.
Those events can be very dynamic.

220 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:57:43pm

re: #214 Summer

I’m not sure that the alternative is the Muslim Brotherhood. A lot of people in the streets are middle class and young people as well - they’re not known for being huge supporters of the brotherhood. While there may be some risk involved, I don’t get the feeling that this is an islamic revolution. I get the feeling that this is a new media age revolution which involves a lot of people on the whole spectrum, many of them who probably don’t want a religious tyranny. I may be wrong, but it may just be a risk worth taking.

I politely suggest that your opinion is naive, based on the recent activity of another Iranian puppet, Hamas in the region… I do truly hope that you are right, but too often the wants of the masses are corrupted.

221 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:58:17pm
If Nazis or other fascists took over North America, what would we all do? What would we all do if they implemented Mussolini’s definition of fascism: “Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power”? And what would we do if they then instituted laws allowing them to put a significant portion—say one-third—of all Jewish males between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five into concentration camps? What if this occupied country called itself a democracy, but most everyone understood elections to be shams, with citizens allowed to choose between different wings of the same Fascist (or, following Mussolini, Corporate) party? What if anti-government activity was opposed by storm troopers and secret police? Would you fight back? If there already existed a resistance movement, would you join it? Substitute the word African-American for Jewish and ask yourself the same questions.

Now, would you resist if the fascists irradiated the countryside, poisoned food supplies, made rivers unfit for swimming (and so filthy you wouldn’t even dream of drinking from them anymore)? What if they did this because… . Hell, I can’t finish that sentence because no matter how I try I can’t come up with a motivation good enough even for fascists to irradiate and toxify the landscape and water supplies. If fascists systematically deforested the continent, would you join an underground army of resistance, head to the forests, and from there to boardrooms and to the halls of the Reichstag to pick off the occupying deforesters and most especially those who give them their marching orders?

Okay, so maybe your sense of kin, and your sense of skin, doesn’t extend to the natural world. Maybe you don’t yet love the land where you live enough that you will fight for it. But what if the fascists toxify not only the landscape but the bodies of those you love? What if their actions put dioxin—one of the most toxic substances known—and dozens of other carcinogens into the flesh of your lover, children, mother, brother, sister, father? Would you then fight back? What if the fascists toxify your own body? Would you still cling to the illusion that their edicts carry more weight than that brought to bear by their secret and not-so-secret police? Would you work for this regime? Would you teach others its virtues? Or would you fight back? If you will not fight back when they toxify your own body (and toxify your mind with propaganda leading you to believe their edicts carry moral weight), when, precisely, will you fight back? Give me—and more importantly yourself—a specific threshold at which you will finally take a stand. If you can’t or won’t give that threshold, why not?

None of these questions are rhetorical. The questions are real. They are, at this point, some of the most important questions there are.

#brookly red. Your question reminded me of this snippet of radical environmentalist propaganda.

222 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:59:45pm

re: #219 Mark Winter

Non violence is the key. The military may not shoot at people cheering them.
Those events can be very dynamic.

I dont think the violence/non-violence dichotomy is a simple one, but I also made not of the cheering today. Even if the military were ambivalent at that point, it may have swayed them.

223 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:59:47pm

re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist

Why are we rioting again?

oh I don’t know… high unemployment, a general feeling of dissatisfaction with the government, the high price of beer?

224 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:00:21pm

re: #215 Alexzander

Where would you be?

in Brooklyn

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:00:46pm

re: #223 brookly red

oh I don’t know… high unemployment, a general feeling of dissatisfaction with the government, the high price of beer?

Oh, bullshit!

Then the Guard does not join in, they work to bring rioters under control.

226 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:02:19pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, bullshit!

Then the Guard does not join in, they work to bring rioters under control.

really? even in a popular uprising?

227 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:02:33pm

re: #222 Alexzander

I dont think the violence/non-violence dichotomy is a simple one, but I also made not of the cheering today. Even if the military were ambivalent at that point, it may have swayed them.

At least the Egyptian military does not look like Mubarak’s Praetorian Guard… so there’s hope.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:03:37pm

re: #226 brookly red

really? even in a popular uprising?

It’s a bit of a step from ‘rioting’ to ‘popular uprising’.

I don’t see us having one. We’re a wealthy, stable, and very very big country, with a functioning democracy at national, state and local levels.

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:05:01pm

re: #227 Mark Winter

At least the Egyptian military does not look like Mubarak’s Praetorian Guard… so there’s hope.

They’re not loyal to him, specifically. If the military leadership decides they can jettison him and put someone else in—which is what I’m currently betting on—they’ll have no problem giving him a few billion in a suitcase and kissing him and Suzanne good-bye at the airport.

Where’s Suzanne, anyway?

230 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:05:25pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a bit of a step from ‘rioting’ to ‘popular uprising’.

I don’t see us having one. We’re a wealthy, stable, and very very big country, with a functioning democracy at national, state and local levels.

anybody tries to take my Beef-O-Roni from me will get some 400 rounds of lethal 12g up their ass

231 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:05:29pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

It’s a bit of a step from ‘rioting’ to ‘popular uprising’.

I don’t see us having one. We’re a wealthy, stable, and very very big country, with a functioning democracy at national, state and local levels.

but according to the tea-partiers we’re creeping towards socialism and being less freer and must have a revolt!!!!!11ty

232 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:06:18pm

re: #230 albusteve

anybody tries to take my Beef-O-Roni from me will get some 400 rounds of lethal 12g up their ass

I am so glad I am not the only one addicted to those things

233 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:06:40pm

re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist

Why are we rioting again?

Here are a couple possible motivations: the fact that we’ve supported regimes like Mubarak’s, not only with lip service, but with over a billion dollars a year, while we simultaneously tell our population that we cannot afford medical coverage for all, and allow our own American brothers and sisters to die of preventable illnesses.

The fact that our way of life is incredibly destructive to the global environment, and no consumer choice individually will change that, and yet both political parties barely consider environmental policy overhall a major pillar of their political platform.

How about the way corporations exert power over politicians? How campaigns are financed? How political positions are often filled by bank executives? How about growing economic disparity in this country?

234 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:06:43pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re not loyal to him, specifically. If the military leadership decides they can jettison him and put someone else in—which is what I’m currently betting on—they’ll have no problem giving him a few billion in a suitcase and kissing him and Suzanne good-bye at the airport.

Where’s Suzanne, anyway?

at Dior’s shopping for the perfect cut and run gown

235 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:06:51pm

hold on… gf is on the phone.

236 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:07:09pm

The big difference between the Egypt protests and the G20 protests is that people come from all over the continent for it. In Egypt, all of these protests are local.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:07:13pm

re: #231 Dreggas

but according to the tea-partiers we’re creeping towards socialism and being less freer and must have a revolt!!!11ty

The People of the Tea, to put it kindly, are full of shit.

238 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:08:07pm

re: #229 SanFranciscoZionist

They’re not loyal to him, specifically. If the military leadership decides they can jettison him and put someone else in—which is what I’m currently betting on—they’ll have no problem giving him a few billion in a suitcase and kissing him and Suzanne good-bye at the airport.

Where’s Suzanne, anyway?

In that case they better do it tonight because tomorrow the emboldened people will not be content just to swap rulers they did not elect.

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:09:09pm

re: #233 Alexzander

Here are a couple possible motivations: the fact that we’ve supported regimes like Mubarak’s, not only with lip service, but with over a billion dollars a year, while we simultaneously tell our population that we cannot afford medical coverage for all, and allow our own American brothers and sisters to die of preventable illnesses.

The fact that our way of life is incredibly destructive to the global environment, and no consumer choice individually will change that, and yet both political parties barely consider environmental policy overhall a major pillar of their political platform.

How about the way corporations exert power over politicians? How campaigns are financed? How political positions are often filled by bank executives? How about growing economic disparity in this country?

Not gonna happen.

Not telling you these aren’t all good reasons to be pissed off, but we don’t deal with them effectively at the ballot box, and we sure as hell aren’t going to take to the streets in a government-destabilizing way over them.

240 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:09:26pm

re: #224 brookly red

in Brooklyn

This is a cop-out after I gave you an honest answer.

241 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:10:06pm

and what do the freepers have to say about it?

Heaven only knows what Obama has been doing in the background to undercut Mubarak.

Can we trade Obama for Mubarak?

1979 REDUX - Hussein, like Carter, is clueless.

242 recusancy  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:10:12pm

re: #233 Alexzander

Here are a couple possible motivations: the fact that we’ve supported regimes like Mubarak’s, not only with lip service, but with over a billion dollars a year, while we simultaneously tell our population that we cannot afford medical coverage for all, and allow our own American brothers and sisters to die of preventable illnesses.

The fact that our way of life is incredibly destructive to the global environment, and no consumer choice individually will change that, and yet both political parties barely consider environmental policy overhall a major pillar of their political platform.

How about the way corporations exert power over politicians? How campaigns are financed? How political positions are often filled by bank executives? How about growing economic disparity in this country?

Do you honestly think a nation of 300 million would revolt over that??

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:11:01pm

re: #238 Mark Winter

In that case they better do it tonight because tomorrow the emboldened people will not be content just to swap rulers they did not elect.

I’ve got two basic hopes going on here.

I want Israel to be safe, and I want Egypt to have some hope of a government that doesn’t treat its people like shit.

I’m not sure either of these is achievable at this moment, and I’m not sure they don’t flatly contradict one another.

I’m just watching and waiting right now.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:12:09pm

re: #241 engineer dog

and what do the freepers have to say about it?

Heaven only knows what Obama has been doing in the background to undercut Mubarak.

Can we trade Obama for Mubarak?

1979 REDUX - Hussein, like Carter, is clueless.

So, the Freepers don’t like the Camp David Accords either? But they like Mubarak? What exactly the hell are the Freepers on about, again?

245 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:12:20pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist
Same here. That is all we can do right now.

246 recusancy  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:12:48pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

So, the Freepers don’t like the Camp David Accords either? But they like Mubarak? What exactly the hell are the Freepers on about, again?

I think they’re talking about Iran. But still…

247 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:14:52pm

re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist

And @recusancy

I agree, I dont think its likely the nation will rise up in significant numbers over those issues. I was just saying that there are reasons, even if they depend on your analysis/perspective/level of information/level of motivation.

What we did see today however, is that A) sometimes people do rise up (I’m sure two weeks ago many were saying this could never happen), and B) that this form of colossal uprising has tremendous power, even when outgunned and technologically isolated. There is a myth in the West that the only form of effective protest is the state sanctioned kind where you file for a permit and march around in a circle for two hours.

248 Archangelus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:17:57pm

Seems things are getting more drastic over there - according to a fresh ISOC press release, “We are following the current events in Egypt with concern as it appears that all incoming and outgoing Internet traffic has been disrupted.”

isoc.org

I’ve heard of social sites (FB, twitter, etc) getting blocked and additional censorship in non-democratic countries during crises, but while I could be wrong, pretty sure we’ve never seen an entire country’s Internet access get blocked before…

249 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:18:00pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

I’ve got two basic hopes going on here.

I want Israel to be safe, and I want Egypt to have some hope of a government that doesn’t treat its people like shit.

I’m not sure either of these is achievable at this moment, and I’m not sure they don’t flatly contradict one another.

I’m just watching and waiting right now.

Totally agree with you.
Let’s remember Iran. In 1979 the West was more afraid of a democratic Iran succumbing under the influence of Moscow than of an Islamist dictatorship of the mullahs.

That did not work out very well in the end. The best possible outcome would be a revolution in Iran sweeping away the mullahs.

250 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:18:06pm

Looks like protestors are using buses as mobile shields to engage some police units.

251 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:18:51pm

re: #250 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Looks like protestors are using buses as mobile shields to engage some police units.

What are you watching?

252 Archangelus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:22:18pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

What are you watching?

What he said.

253 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:23:58pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

What are you watching?

I’m watching the Live Stream of Al Jazeera

254 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:24:35pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

What are you watching?

cnn.com

255 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:25:58pm

re: #254 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

Thanks.

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:26:23pm

Sounds like something Kim Jong-il’d do.

257 Kid A  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:27:48pm

Took a stroll over to Hot Air to see if they had gotten around to blaming Obama. The answer is “yes,” and the idiocy, while predictable, to me is just sad. Here’s some choice comments…

1. Obama:

Go Muslims Go!!!

MY SPEECH WORKED!!!!!

LordMaximus

2. Trying to actually earn his Nobel Peace Prize retroactively?

Dr. ZhivBlago

3. BO will probably blame Israel, Bush and talk radio for the problems in Egypt

David in ATL

4. Did he scream alluah Akbhar or whatever those cretins scream after the speech?

SouthernGent

5. Think of the millions more that will be dragged back to the 7th Century by time January 20, 2013 rolls around.


God help us survive.

And here’s my favorite…

6. Wonder if Sarah is firing up another FB post?

John the Libertarian

* head bangs against wall *

258 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:28:30pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

OT: You asked earlier what Democrats were supporting the House GOP’s “let’s make getting abortions even harder for rape victims who aren’t rich” bill - all 8 of them are listed here under “Update 2”.

259 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:28:58pm

It’ll be interesting to see how the lefties cope with Obama’s pragmatic approach. The wingnuts will oppose whatever Obama does but the lefties seem really convinced Mubarak is done and the people powered grass roots activism has won the day. They’re probably in for a bit of a surprise.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:29:07pm

re: #258 publicityStunted

OT: You asked earlier what Democrats were supporting the House GOP’s “let’s make getting abortions even harder for rape victims who aren’t rich” bill - all 8 of them are listed here under “Update 2”.

Why THANK YOU!!!

I am going to enjoy writing this letter.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:29:36pm

re: #257 Kid A

I’m still trying to figure out exactly what they want to have happen.

262 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:30:08pm

Blackberry and Cellphone service restored in Egypt. Not sure about internet yet. Maybe President Obama’s request was heard?

263 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:30:09pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

We’re not surprised…just hopeful.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:30:18pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

It’ll be interesting to see how the lefties cope with Obama’s pragmatic approach. The wingnuts will oppose whatever Obama does but the lefties seem really convinced Mubarak is done and the people powered grass roots activism has won the day. They’re probably in for a bit of a surprise.

The lefties…don’t let me get rolling what the far left makes of all of this.

265 Mark Winter  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:30:55pm

I know that this may sound VERY optimistic right now but people in Gaza and the West Bank might realize that they aren’t living in a free democracy either.

266 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:31:04pm

re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist

The lefties…don’t let me get rolling what the far left makes of all of this.

I can tell you all about those lefties they aren’t a real part of the left… and whatever you do don’t bring up the left wing, SPLITTERS!

267 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:31:07pm

re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist

The lefties…don’t let me get rolling what the far left makes of all of this.

Something involving a domino theory no doubt.

268 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:31:20pm

re: #221 Alexzander

Do you have a link to the rest of that ‘snippet’?

I’m feeling a bit snippety this evening.

269 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:31:52pm

re: #262 darthstar

Blackberry and Cellphone service restored in Egypt. Not sure about internet yet. Maybe President Obama’s request was heard?

The government got sacked, so the people whose job to keep them off might be gone.

270 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:32:19pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Something involving a domino theory no doubt.

Not Pizza Hut?

271 ryannon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:32:22pm

re: #262 darthstar

Blackberry and Cellphone service restored in Egypt. Not sure about internet yet. Maybe President Obama’s request was heard?

Change you can believe in.

272 recusancy  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:33:38pm

re: #269 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The government got sacked, so the people whose job to keep them off might be gone.

Vodafone was an accomplice. They’re in Europe.

273 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:34:08pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

It’ll be interesting to see how the lefties cope with Obama’s pragmatic approach. The wingnuts will oppose whatever Obama does but the lefties seem really convinced Mubarak is done and the people powered grass roots activism has won the day. They’re probably in for a bit of a surprise.

I don’t see this going further than it already has. The only other option would be to lengthen and expand the protests and include a general nationwide strike. Otherwise, they’re just throwing rocks at the castle.

274 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:34:37pm

re: #262 darthstar

Blackberry and Cellphone service restored in Egypt. Not sure about internet yet. Maybe President Obama’s request was heard?

Heh. Poor wingnuts are going to be so bummed.

275 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:35:17pm

re: #273 Gus 802

I don’t see this going further than it already has. The only other option would be to lengthen and expand the protests and include a general nationwide strike. Otherwise, they’re just throwing rocks at the castle.

Or if the military flipped and I don’t see any indication of that.

276 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:35:49pm

re: #272 recusancy

Vodafone was an accomplice. They’re in Europe.

Yeah, but they had to go off an Egyptian request to shut it off. Someone else might have called to turn it back on.

277 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:36:09pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Or if the military flipped and I don’t see any indication of that.

That too but that would be out of their control — and wishful thinking. They can control the protests and they can control and organize a general strike.

278 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:39:08pm

re: #273 Gus 802

I’m not so sure…I think we don’t have any data about rank and file loyalty for the army…if the protesters take to the streets again it’s not clear what will happen.

279 Kid A  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:39:31pm

re: #261 SanFranciscoZionist

Simple. They want Obama to fail. Period.

280 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:40:03pm

re: #278 BishopX

I’m not so sure…I think we don’t have any data about rank and file loyalty for the army…if the protesters take to the streets again it’s not clear what will happen.

That’s still an unknown.

281 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:42:46pm

re: #280 Gus 802

Yes. Exactly. We don’t know how any of this is gong to play out in the morning.

282 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:44:02pm

Band plays for monkeys

283 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:44:27pm

re: #205 Alexzander

Well I’ve been in the midst of a couple North American riots and the usual response is to demonize and jail. 1000 people were arrested in Toronto this past summer during the G20, and some of the scenes looked like Egypt today, with massive crowds, burning cards, SWAT teams with rifles, tear gass, etc. But obviously not everyone believes that to be as dire a situation as that faced by the Egyptians, and clearly it isn’t, as nobody self-immolated before the G20. But when these kinds of events happen, one’s reaction reveals where one’s political grounding lies; either in a kind of emancipatory (perhaps idealistic space?), or in a more conservative statist “stability” space.

It’s not nearly that simple. I’ve been to some demonstrations, and I’ve seen a [police] riot. But nothing in the American scene justifies the kind of mass rebellion and chaos now unfolding in Egypt. If things are bad here, which can happen from time to time, we have redress at the ballot box.

The Egyptians do not.

In the context of America, I’m a conservative. In the context of Egypt, I’m hopeful that the people can win through to emancipation.

I favor stability when that stability is tempered by the flexibility that freedom includes. Chaos is not the only path to change. I’m not much of a friend of stability when what is stable is an entrenched and unresponsive authoritarian government.

That sort of stability is in any event brittle, as we are now seeing. But the lesson is not new. Time and again, these sorts of governments are challenged. Sometimes they can hold on, sometimes they fall. The wisest policy for the U.S. is to wish Egypt well and stand back and watch who wins. To NOT wish Mubarak good fortune or ill. To NOT send any sort of tangible aid to anybody unless the winner is clear, we like the winner, the winner likes us, and helping the winner has no other consequence than to hold down the length of the casualty list. End-game interventions, if any.

284 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:48:04pm

re: #261 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m still trying to figure out exactly what they want to have happen.

They want the 6th Fleet to arrive on station off of Egypt followed by a shock and awe bombing campaign and then a USMC led beach landing led by General Rambo for the invasion of Egypt. Subsequently, Egypt would be converted to an American Calvinist state with free elections, Walmarts, McDonalds, and so on. Then we can declare, “Mission Accomplished”.

//

285 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:48:15pm

re: #240 Alexzander

This is a cop-out after I gave you an honest answer.

where would I be… some place that would not get me banned. (nice try) where would you be ?

286 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:48:28pm

re: #275 Killgore Trout

Or if the military flipped and I don’t see any indication of that.

Militaries are composed of soldiers who have families. Egypt does not have the kind of professional outsiders that the Mongol divisions provided for the PRC during the Tien-an-men rising. Without such a regime maintenance force, a mercenary army in effect, the State cannot rely on the regular armed forces to train machine guns on its own citizenry and hold down the trigger.

Troops might do that to a revolutionary movement that gets the reputation of being thugs gunning for power and not representative of the general will of the people. But Cairo IS Egypt.

287 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:49:22pm

OK I am back… now where were we ;)

288 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:51:13pm

re: #257 Kid A

wingnuts criticize progressives for what they imagine and wish we would do or say. they have little or no idea what we really believe or say

progressives obsessively study every action and pronouncement that wingnuts actually make with horrified fascination

289 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:52:06pm

OT: Rush Limbaugh is stupid.

He used Jack LaLanne’s passing in a weird effort to discredit Michelle Obama’s healthy eating initiative.

Basically said, “See! Jack LaLanne ate healthy and exercised, and he died anyway.”

Uh, Jack LaLanne lived to a very healthy 96 years of age.

Somehow I don’t think Rush will stick around that long.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:52:57pm

re: #283 lostlakehiker

It’s not nearly that simple. I’ve been to some demonstrations, and I’ve seen a [police] riot. But nothing in the American scene justifies the kind of mass rebellion and chaos now unfolding in Egypt. If things are bad here, which can happen from time to time, we have redress at the ballot box.

The Egyptians do not.

Yes, THIS x10000000.

291 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:53:09pm

re: #288 engineer dog

wingnuts criticize progressives for what they imagine and wish we would do or say. they have little or no idea what we really believe or say

progressives obsessively study every action and pronouncement that wingnuts actually make with horrified fascination

Wow… interesting comment… you’ll all a fucking bunch of high class intellectuals and I didn’t even realize it. Good show.

292 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:53:46pm

That was Wingnut Option A — which typically involves a fantasy of military power. The other one being Wingnut Option B which is typically worded as “just turn the whole ME into one giant parking lot” followed by a lot of mouth breathing and “hur hurs”. Sometimes this is also worded as “just nuke them all” followed by a mouthful of Cheetos or other snack foods.

//

293 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:54:13pm

re: #288 engineer dog

wingnuts criticize progressives for what they imagine and wish we would do or say. they have little or no idea what we really believe or say

progressives obsessively study every action and pronouncement that wingnuts actually make with horrified fascination

So what has you obsessive study recommend we do, or not, as to Egypt?

294 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:55:22pm

re: #289 Tigger2005

OT: Rush Limbaugh is stupid.

He used Jack LaLanne’s passing in a weird effort to discredit Michelle Obama’s healthy eating initiative.

Basically said, “See! Jack LaLanne ate healthy and exercised, and he died anyway.”

Uh, Jack LaLanne lived to a very healthy 96 years of age.

Somehow I don’t think Rush will stick around that long.

That’s like dismissing the Atkins diet because you could slip on an icy sidewalk and crack your skull.

Sadly, I expect Rush will spew his bile on the air for years to come.

295 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:55:49pm

Ha! Looks like Rand Paul’s proposal to cut foreign aid to Israel has just made a landing at Hot Air.

Rand Paul’s honeymoon is over in 3, 2, 1…

296 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:56:24pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

re: #293 brookly red

i would love to respond to the remark walter made and the question red asks, but i haven’t yet, in my slow way, figured out what they have to do with my little observation

297 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:57:35pm

So, America’s behind the whole thing?

(just got home, haven’t had time to check news).

298 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:58:00pm

re: #289 Tigger2005

OT: Rush Limbaugh is stupid.

He used Jack LaLanne’s passing in a weird effort to discredit Michelle Obama’s healthy eating initiative.

Basically said, “See! Jack LaLanne ate healthy and exercised, and he died anyway.”

Uh, Jack LaLanne lived to a very healthy 96 years of age.

Somehow I don’t think Rush will stick around that long.

People who never smoked DIE, every day. Clearly, this means that avoiding smoking doesn’t help your health.

299 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:58:17pm

re: #294 darthstar

That’s like dismissing the Atkins diet because you could slip on an icy sidewalk and crack your skull.

Sadly, I expect Rush will spew his bile on the air for years to come.

ah yes, the world is on fire, tear gas & water cannons in the streets, and of course we stick our thumbs in our mouths & cry Rush…

300 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:58:28pm

re: #296 engineer dog

re: #293 brookly red

i would love to respond to the remark walter made and the question red asks, but i haven’t yet, in my slow way, figured out what they have to do with my little observation

Then it appears that your not doing to good in the “have little or no idea what we really believe or say” department. Can’t help ya there.

301 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:59:17pm

re: #296 engineer dog

re: #293 brookly red

i would love to respond to the remark walter made and the question red asks, but i haven’t yet, in my slow way, figured out what they have to do with my little observation

OK no pressure… just a thought.

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:59:36pm

re: #294 darthstar

That’s like dismissing the Atkins diet because you could slip on an icy sidewalk and crack your skull.

Sadly, I expect Rush will spew his bile on the air for years to come.

Someone did point out that it was possible that Atkins could have slipped on a pat of butter, and if there had been a roll under it, his life might have been saved.

303 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 4:59:58pm

re: #289 Tigger2005

OT: Rush Limbaugh is stupid.

He used Jack LaLanne’s passing in a weird effort to discredit Michelle Obama’s healthy eating initiative.

Basically said, “See! Jack LaLanne ate healthy and exercised, and he died anyway.”

Uh, Jack LaLanne lived to a very healthy 96 years of age.

Somehow I don’t think Rush will stick around that long.

Imagine the people who listen to that statement on his show and go BY GOD HE’S RIGHT

304 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:00:55pm

Allahpundit thinks it’s “fair enough”:

The other reason this is a bad foot to start off on is, of course, that it’ll never pass. Financial support for Israel is deeply bipartisan in Congress. Even some pro-Israel tea partiers, like Allen West, would be loath to cancel their aid, I suspect, especially with Hezbollah now in control in Lebanon and the Muslim Brotherhood poised to ascend in Egypt. Until Iran’s regime, at least, is replaced with something less feral, there’s simply no way Congress will leave Israel to fend for itself. But I get that he’s making a principled point here about every last expense having to be on the table, so fair enough.

So, AP is giving Rand Paul a pass on this. Odd, one would typically expect to see outrage over such a proposal especially at far-right leaning Hot Air. I wonder how he would feel had a Democrat proposed cutting of foreign aid to Israel.

305 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:01:15pm

re: #300 Walter L. Newton

Then it appears that your not doing to good in the “have little or no idea what we really believe or say” department. Can’t help ya there.

well come on Walter, you gotta give people time to well you know, like that.

306 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:02:15pm

re: #304 Gus 802

Allahpundit thinks it’s “fair enough”:

So, AP is giving Rand Paul a pass on this. Odd, one would typically expect to see outrage over such a proposal especially at far-right leaning Hot Air. I wonder how he would feel had a Democrat proposed cutting of foreign aid to Israel.

Not a fair comparison. Democrats aren’t “principled”.

///

307 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:03:15pm

re: #304 Gus 802

Allahpundit thinks it’s “fair enough”:

So, AP is giving Rand Paul a pass on this. Odd, one would typically expect to see outrage over such a proposal especially at far-right leaning Hot Air. I wonder how he would feel had a Democrat proposed cutting of foreign aid to Israel.

everything is on the table…until they’re completely back in power, and then it’s back to that fiscal conservative W Bush style

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:04:24pm

re: #303 WindUpBird

Imagine the people who listen to that statement on his show and go BY GOD HE’S RIGHT

Rush Limbaugh is a smart guy, he changed broadcasting, he’s a smart guy who saw his opportunity

his job is, at its core, compelling stupid people to listen to his show

309 Winny Spencer  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:04:51pm

re: #295 Gus 802

Ha! Looks like Rand Paul’s proposal to cut foreign aid to Israel has just made a landing at Hot Air.

Rand Paul’s honeymoon is over in 3, 2, 1…

They’ll come around and dump Israel eventually, just you wait. The isolationist urge is as unyielding as gravity among the far-right.

310 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:04:59pm

re: #307 WindUpBird

everything is on the table…until they’re completely back in power, and then it’s back to that fiscal conservative W Bush style

OK so much for Egypt… we are back to Bush! yes! of course how could I have missed such brilliance!

311 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:05:31pm

re: #295 Gus 802

Ha! Looks like Rand Paul’s proposal to cut foreign aid to Israel has just made a landing at Hot Air.

Rand Paul’s honeymoon is over in 3, 2, 1…

We’ll see. The timing of his stupid idea was really bad since Israel may be facing a whole bunch of new hostile governments. The Fox News comments were mixed but the wingnuts are anti-Obama lemmings at this point. They’ll go along with whatever they’re told.

312 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:07:19pm

re: #311 Killgore Trout

We’ll see. The timing of his stupid idea was really bad since Israel may be facing a whole bunch of new hostile governments. The Fox News comments were mixed but the wingnuts are anti-Obama lemmings at this point. They’ll go along with whatever they’re told.

/well, perhaps it is time we let them depend on their own (nuclear) devices…

313 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:07:30pm

re: #310 brookly red

OK so much for Egypt… we are back to Bush! yes! of course how could I have missed such brilliance!

It was Carters fault. I knew this wouldn’t last.

314 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:08:12pm

re: #304 Gus 802

Allahpundit thinks it’s “fair enough”:

So, AP is giving Rand Paul a pass on this. Odd, one would typically expect to see outrage over such a proposal especially at far-right leaning Hot Air. I wonder how he would feel had a Democrat proposed cutting of foreign aid to Israel.

Exactly. That’s the kicker. The Paulians are seen as principled purists so the wingnuts are understanding. There will be no outrage.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:08:50pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

It was Carters fault. I knew this wouldn’t last.

Buck pretty much went straight there earlier. And he wasn’t kidding.

316 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:09:02pm

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Exactly. That’s the kicker. The Paulians are seen as principled purists so the wingnuts are understanding. There will be no outrage.

Yep. He’s one of theirs now.

317 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:09:03pm

re: #313 Walter L. Newton

It was Carters fault. I knew this wouldn’t last.


It is killin me how much people think this just started yesterday…

318 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:09:56pm

re: #317 brookly red

It is killin me how much people think this just started yesterday…

I like to blame the British cartographers.

319 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:10:12pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Buck pretty much went straight there earlier. And he wasn’t kidding.

I wasn’t here earlier. And I work my own wingnut channel. I wouldn’t even waste my time with any of Bucks material.

320 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:10:29pm

Not a lot of outrage from Hot Air readers. Some seem just fine with cutting off Israel….


Cloward-Piven, Baby…cut’m all off cold turkey…not a dollar to anybody..balance the federal budget overnight.

Skandia Recluse on January 28, 2011 at 7:45 PM



Israel will do fine without any help, but some of those with “wipe israel from the face fo the earth” might end up glass desert themselves.

anikol on January 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM



This is a non-starter but it keeps the theme of everything being on the table.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2011 at 7:47 PM

321 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:10:44pm

Um. WUB just made an off the cuff comment about W regarding spending not Egypt.

322 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:10:58pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Buck pretty much went straight there earlier. And he wasn’t kidding.

well you know how prophets get treated…

323 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:11:27pm

Actually there’s quite a bit of support for the idea…


If your going to start cutting foreign aid, Israel should be given no special consideration.

Mark1971 on January 28, 2011 at 7:48 PM


Much more than I expected.

324 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:12:35pm

re: #318 Decatur Deb

I like to blame the British cartographers.

Well, if they’d been half-way decent at their jobs, it wouldn’t have taken Moses 40 goddamn years to find Israel, which happens to be JUST ACROSS THE FUCKING BORDER!!! Sheesh.

325 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:13:26pm

Interesting. Fairly overwhelming support for Rand’s proposal. I think we can safely safe Israel has gone under the right wing bus.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:13:59pm

re: #324 darthstar

Well, if they’d been half-way decent at their jobs, it wouldn’t have taken Moses 40 goddamn years to find Israel, which happens to be JUST ACROSS THE FUCKING BORDER!!! Sheesh.

After thirty-nine and a half years, Tzipporah secretly asked for directions from a passing caravan.

327 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:15:11pm

re: #323 Killgore Trout

Actually there’s quite a bit of support for the idea…


Much more than I expected.

You know what? I have no job… I don’t see giving aid to any one. Yeah like that… not one freaking cent to anyone till all Americans are working. Harsh?

328 Winny Spencer  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:15:44pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Fairly overwhelming support for Rand’s proposal. I think we can safely safe Israel has gone under the right wing bus.

Now the next question becomes: when will Israel go under the Republican Establishment bus?

329 Kid A  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:15:44pm

re: #324 darthstar

Saw you added a Steelers logo to your avatar. Though I picked Green bay to win it all before the season started (along with Baltimore, that came down to the last minute), I’m going Steelers 23-20 in a nail-biting classic.

330 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:16:18pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Fairly overwhelming support for Rand’s proposal. I think we can safely safe Israel has gone under the right wing bus.

That bus is going to be doing somersaults pretty soon…

331 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:16:24pm

re: #324 darthstar

Well, if they’d been half-way decent at their jobs, it wouldn’t have taken Moses 40 goddamn years to find Israel, which happens to be JUST ACROSS THE FUCKING BORDER!!! Sheesh.

British cartographers. You’re thinking Brutish cartographers:

Image: whites%205.jpg

332 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:16:51pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Fairly overwhelming support for Rand’s proposal. I think we can safely safe Israel has gone under the right wing bus.

///But keep in mind everyone no real Jew would vote Democrat!

333 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:16:59pm

re: #328 Winny Spencer

Now the next question becomes: when will Israel go under the Republican Establishment bus?

Did the right wing beat the left too something again?

334 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:17:11pm

re: #329 Kid A

Saw you added a Steelers logo to your avatar. Though I picked Green bay to win it all before the season started (along with Baltimore, that came down to the last minute), I’m going Steelers 23-20 in a nail-biting classic.

I hate the fucking Steelers, but I have a pretty good friend who likes them, so I chose them out of courtesy. This year is the “who gives a fuck” bowl.

335 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:17:31pm

re: #327 brookly red

You know what? I have no job… I don’t see giving aid to any one. Yeah like that… not one freaking cent to anyone till all Americans are working. Harsh?

Harsh and understandable.

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:17:50pm

re: #327 brookly red

You know what? I have no job… I don’t see giving aid to any one. Yeah like that… not one freaking cent to anyone till all Americans are working. Harsh?

Impractical.

337 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:18:44pm

re: #336 SanFranciscoZionist

Impractical.

We’re never gonna have 0% unless we pay half of America to dig holes and the other half to fill them in….

338 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:18:53pm

re: #327 brookly red

You know what? I have no job… I don’t see giving aid to any one. Yeah like that… not one freaking cent to anyone till all Americans are working. Harsh?

no, just retarded

339 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:18:58pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Fairly overwhelming support for Rand’s proposal. I think we can safely safe Israel has gone under the right wing bus.

After all the work they put in accusing Charles of heading that way. Projection the whole time.

340 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:19:17pm

re: #336 SanFranciscoZionist

Impractical.

How so…

341 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:19:35pm

re: #334 darthstar

I hate the fucking Steelers, but I have a pretty good friend who likes them, so I chose them out of courtesy. This year is the “who gives a fuck” bowl.

Every year is the “who gives a fuck” bowl. Some years it’s more fun, depending on how popular the team is and how many people I can piss off telling them “who gives a fuck.” Parker fans are really easy to get worked up, sort of like little children.

342 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:19:40pm

re: #338 WindUpBird

no, just retarded

perma gaze, next?

343 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:19:51pm

I love this image, not sure if its been posted yet…

cbc.ca

344 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:20:31pm

Yep. Once we cut off all federal funding to National Public Radio unemployment will go down to zero percent.

//

345 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:21:11pm

re: #342 brookly red

perma gaze, next?

How would 100% employment work outside of something like a centrally planned, soviet-style economy? Some people are just lousy workers. Why should we ensure they have a job? That’s not an American I’d ever want to see. Take care of yourself bub.

346 Kid A  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:21:21pm

re: #334 darthstar

I’m a Houstonian, so my teams are Houston-based, obviously. Being a Houston sports fan has been utter torture after the Astros got swept in the 2005 World Series by the White Sox.

347 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:21:27pm

re: #341 Walter L. Newton

Every year is the “who gives a fuck” bowl. Some years it’s more fun, depending on how popular the team is and how many people I can piss off telling them “who gives a fuck.” Parker fans are really easy to get worked up, sort of like little children.

See… I so little give a shit about football that I can’t even spell the teams name right… it’s not Parker fans… it Perkins fans.

348 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:21:33pm

re: #343 McSpiff

I love this image, not sure if its been posted yet…

[Link: www.cbc.ca…]

It’s kind of hard to take a strong stand against someone whose only weapon is unconditional love.

349 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:22:25pm

re: #344 Gus 802

Yep. Once we cut off all federal funding to National Public Radio unemployment will go down to zero percent.

//

You forgot PBS!
//

350 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:22:35pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

After all the work they put in accusing Charles of heading that way. Projection the whole time.

It does raise some interesting questions. Bloggers like Pam and Spencer are going to find the new right wing less responsive to their ideas. It will probably be like 9-11 truthers. Wingnuts oppose them when convenient but don’t mind when a Truther fills in to host Glenn Beck’s show. I imagine they’ll continue to give lip service to supporting Israel but they’re really following a Paulian/Alex Jones agenda.

351 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:22:47pm

re: #343 McSpiff
Very nice; it has been posted.

352 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:23:13pm

re: #329 Kid A

Saw you added a Steelers logo to your avatar. Though I picked Green bay to win it all before the season started (along with Baltimore, that came down to the last minute), I’m going Steelers 23-20 in a nail-biting classic.

Pouncy (the Steelers’ rookie center from Florida - YAY - has a BROKEN ANKLE) not good.

353 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:24:13pm

re: #345 McSpiff

How would 100% employment work outside of something like a centrally planned, soviet-style economy? Some people are just lousy workers. Why should we ensure they have a job? That’s not an American I’d ever want to see. Take care of yourself bub.

gee your right… sure glad I bought gold, and oil futures while I was working. Your right fuck the peasants.

354 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:24:17pm

Also if the American right gives up support for Israel it will free up Eurofascist parties to drop their silly charade and go back to open antisemitism.

355 darthstar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:24:32pm

re: #347 Walter L. Newton

See… I so little give a shit about football that I can’t even spell the teams name right… it’s not Parker fans… it Perkins fans.

Good…you start talking shit about Parker Posey and we’re at war.

356 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:24:32pm

re: #337 jamesfirecat

We’re never gonna have 0% unless we pay half of America to dig holes and the other half to fill them in…

Can’t prove it, but I think I’ve been involved in that FDR-era meme. During the Depression, the WPA funded a wild explosion of “shovel-ready” archaeology in eastern Kentucky Drs Funk and Weyerhouser hired large numbers of locals to hand-dig a lot of mounds and village sites. To many diggers, they were just “digging and filling-in holes”. Two generations later I caught on when I was doing salvage digs in the same area with a small crew.

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:24:38pm

re: #340 brookly red

How so…

Foreign aid costs us very little, and is a key element of our diplomatic reach and PR efforts. Saying that we should stop doing such a simple, effective and necessary thing is nonsense.

358 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:25:40pm

Oh yeah, it’s not just Israel that Rand Paul is targeting:

The freshman Kentucky lawmaker unveiled his budget proposal this week that would make significant cuts in education, housing and energy while reducing money for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq by $16 billion. Paul’s plan also would cut some $20 billion in overseas aid, and he said he wants to eliminate the $3 billion the United States provides to Israel annually in foreign military assistance.

You heard it hear first. Maybe not. But here we have the golden boy of Tea Party Republicanism, the 2011 star of the GOP. Proposing to cut funds for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq!

Now imagine hearing that from a Democrat in 2004.

359 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:26:10pm

re: #357 SanFranciscoZionist

Foreign aid costs us very little, and is a key element of our diplomatic reach and PR efforts. Saying that we should stop doing such a simple, effective and necessary thing is nonsense.

gee, our investment in Egypt seems to be working out so well… I guess you are right.

360 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:26:57pm

re: #353 brookly red

gee your right… sure glad I bought gold, and oil futures while I was working. Your right fuck the peasants.

You’re no more entitled to a job than you are to my tax dollars. 100% employment strikes against the very heart of capitalism. Even France gave up on it. Have a little self respect and take some responsibility.

361 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:27:11pm

Republican Senator seeks to defund wars in Afghanistan and Iraq!

You’re either with us, or against us.

Film @ 11.

362 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:27:53pm

re: #358 Gus 802

Oh yeah, it’s not just Israel that Rand Paul is targeting:

You heard it hear first. Maybe not. But here we have the golden boy of Tea Party Republicanism, the 2011 star of the GOP. Proposing to cut funds for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq!

Now imagine hearing that from a Democrat in 2004.

Yup, the Republicans have been giving up on Afghanistan since the election. There’s a reason why Cindy Sheehan endorsed the Tea Party Republican in San Fran.

363 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:28:55pm

re: #359 brookly red

gee, our investment in Egypt seems to be working out so well… I guess you are right.

And Jack LaLanne died anyway…

364 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:28:59pm

re: #360 McSpiff

You’re no more entitled to a job than you are to my tax dollars. 100% employment strikes against the very heart of capitalism. Even France gave up on it. Have a little self respect and take some responsibility.

a-wipe I am not saying entitled… I got mine, it would be nice if we spent our money on our own. No?

365 Winny Spencer  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:29:21pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

It does raise some interesting questions. Bloggers like Pam and Spencer are going to find the new right wing less responsive to their ideas. It will probably be like 9-11 truthers. Wingnuts oppose them when convenient but don’t mind when a Truther fills in to host Glenn Beck’s show. I imagine they’ll continue to give lip service to supporting Israel but they’re really following a Paulian/Alex Jones agenda.

But while their support for “overseas contingency operations” may be diminished, I’m sure the wingnuts will still be up for some anti-mosque protests now and then. I can’t imagine anti-muslim bigotry at home being verboten in the new right.

366 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:29:40pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Yup, the Republicans have been giving up on Afghanistan since the election. There’s a reason why Cindy Sheehan endorsed the Tea Party Republican in San Fran.

Alex Jones is in the house. Now they have Rand “Blowback” Paul front row and center.

367 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:29:48pm

re: #363 SanFranciscoZionist

And Jack LaLanne died anyway…

yes of course, why did I expect more…

368 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:29:55pm

re: #362 Killgore Trout

Yup, the Republicans have been giving up on Afghanistan since the election. There’s a reason why Cindy Sheehan endorsed the Tea Party Republican in San Fran.

I think there was also some pique there.

369 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:30:18pm

Watching those comments at Hot Air have to be very disheartening to some lurkers. No significant pushback. I think some people (especially conservative Jews) are starting to realize what has happened to the Republicans.

370 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:30:22pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Just lovely. As the Middle East experiences the worst upheaval in several generations, these guys are willing to cut foreign assistance to Israel, at a time when US strategic interests in the region remain significant and are likely to increase significantly as US allies may become former allies and existing regimes go under the bus.

From a realpolitik perspective, its nuts.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:30:59pm

re: #367 brookly red

yes of course, why did I expect more…

Thirty years of peace and stability seems like a rational investment to me.

372 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:31:29pm

re: #364 brookly red

a-wipe I am not saying entitled… I got mine, it would be nice if we spent our money on our own. No?

No. We get a hell of a lot of return on foreign aid than we do keeping ever slob marginally employed. Start reading up on the Marshall plan. Spend tax dollars where we get the most return. Anything else is entitlement by those who have no right to demand anything from me.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:31:48pm

re: #369 Killgore Trout

Watching those comments at Hot Air have to be very disheartening to some lurkers. No significant pushback. I think some people (especially conservative Jews) are starting to realize what has happened to the Republicans.

I’m not sure what has happened at this point. I’ll be startled if the mainstream actually goes this way.

374 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:32:19pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sure what has happened at this point. I’ll be startled if the mainstream actually goes this way.

I’d say “Prepare to be startled” but that doesn’t really make much sense.

375 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:32:44pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sure what has happened at this point. I’ll be startled if the mainstream actually goes this way.

Do you think cutting aid to Israel would have any appeal to anyone on the left?

376 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:33:00pm

re: #370 lawhawk

Just lovely. As the Middle East experiences the worst upheaval in several generations, these guys are willing to cut foreign assistance to Israel, at a time when US strategic interests in the region remain significant and are likely to increase significantly as US allies may become former allies and existing regimes go under the bus.

From a realpolitik perspective, its nuts.

I prefer President Obama’s statement the funding to Egypt will be reviewed.

377 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:33:06pm

re: #370 lawhawk

From a realpolitik perspective, its nuts.


It’s completely insane but I’m trying to think of it from the wingnut point of view. They’ve been fed a steady diet of hysterical economic nonsense for two years and they no longer think we can afford to interact with the rest of the world. They’ve been scared stupid.

378 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:33:17pm

re: #370 lawhawk

Just lovely. As the Middle East experiences the worst upheaval in several generations, these guys are willing to cut foreign assistance to Israel, at a time when US strategic interests in the region remain significant and are likely to increase significantly as US allies may become former allies and existing regimes go under the bus.

From a realpolitik perspective, its nuts.

Realpolitik is about compromise. The nutter wing thinks that’s a dirty word.

379 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:34:30pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

They honestly think the US is ‘out of money’.

380 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:34:33pm

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

Do you think cutting aid to Israel would have any appeal to anyone on the left?

The farther left, sure. I spend weekends marching around across the street from people holding signs demanding just that. Mainstream Democrats, like mainstream Republicans, I would expect to reject it for the most part.

381 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:34:33pm

Gee… I kinda feel the absence of the third serial down dinger. It is not the same with out him…

382 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:34:33pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m not sure what has happened at this point. I’ll be startled if the mainstream actually goes this way.

Not even the GOP is crazy enough to make Paul “mainstream”. They’re cynical enough to make him senator, however.

383 Winny Spencer  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:35:00pm

re: #370 lawhawk

Paulian foreign policy and realpolitik (or sanity) does not go well together.

384 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:35:24pm

re: #381 brookly red

Gee… I kinda feel the absence of the third serial down dinger. It is not the same with out him…

I’ll try to make up for whoever that is.

385 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:35:26pm

re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist

The farther left, sure. I spend weekends marching around across the street from people holding signs demanding just that. Mainstream Democrats, like mainstream Republicans, I would expect to reject it for the most part.

I thought AIPAC should have written the Health Care bill. I can’t think of a group that gets more bipartisan support in government…

386 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:35:53pm

This also frees Beck up for more conspiracies about the Mind Controlling Jews and Jewish Bankers who run the New World Order. As ugly as you might think the wingnuts are now, it’s going to get much worse.

387 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:36:21pm

re: #372 McSpiff

No. We get a hell of a lot of return on foreign aid than we do keeping ever slob marginally employed. Start reading up on the Marshall plan. Spend tax dollars where we get the most return. Anything else is entitlement by those who have no right to demand anything from me.

oh quite true entitlements are bad… I did not realize I was speaking to a fellow conservative.

388 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:36:30pm

re: #381 brookly red

waaah.

389 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:37:02pm

re: #384 wrenchwench

I’ll try to make up for whoever that is.

I am sure you will do just fine…

390 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:37:33pm

re: #389 brookly red

I am sure you will do just fine…

Wrong again!

Later, lizards.

391 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:38:35pm

re: #390 wrenchwench

Wrong again!

Later, lizards.

no, I don’t think so… I am pretty good at this.

392 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:38:49pm

re: #387 brookly red

oh quite true entitlements are bad… I did not realize I was speaking to a fellow conservative.

Canadian conservative. Its got some differences from American conservatism, but you get overlap in a few areas… things like rejecting French employment policies, that type of thing.

393 Kid A  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:38:57pm

Just thought you guys and gals would like to know that that professor of history, Glenn Beck, is about to give hie own SOTU speech on O’Reilly’s show on Faux. God, I hope Charles is watching and will post a clip! This is going to be hilarious.

394 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:39:03pm

re: #383 Winny Spencer

No, it doesn’t. Paul is firmly entrenched in the isolationist stream of American politics that has a long history - and little of it any good.

395 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:39:15pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

This also frees Beck up for more conspiracies about the Mind Controlling Jews and Jewish Bankers who run the New World Order. As ugly as you might think the wingnuts are now, it’s going to get much worse.

Just saw this…

Glenn Beck: The Jews Killed Jesus

Jan 18 2011, 12:17 PM ET By Jeffrey Goldberg
I missed this one, but Harry’s Place didn’t:

On his Fox News TV show, Glenn Beck became the latest in a long line of distinguished Christians over the past two thousand years or so to tell us that “the Jews” killed Jesus:

This is kind of complex, because Jesus did identify with the victims. But Jesus wasn’t a victim, he was a conqueror. Jesus conquered death. He chose to give his life. Jesus didn’t come back from the dead and make the Jews pay for what they did. That would have been an abomination.

396 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:39:40pm

re: #381 brookly red

Gee… I kinda feel the absence of the third serial down dinger. It is not the same with out him…

Maybe I can take his place, and bring some balloons and hats to your pity party where we can play pin the tail on the jackass!

397 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:39:55pm

Part of having a divided government is that the news cycle gets a bit dull in DC.

The leadership of both sides can’t do a whole lot on their own (a good thing). But the journos get bored and start ignoring the limos and pay attention to the clown cars instead.

Does anyone here really think Rand Paul will be regarded as any less of a Bozo in the Senate than his father is in the house?

Yes - it makes interesting copy and something to talk about. That doesn’t mean anything is going to happen. The actual people with actual responsibility in DC are frying other fish.

398 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:40:04pm

Free passes for:

Glenn Beck
Rand Paul
Alex Jones
Pat Buchanan

399 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:40:21pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

This also frees Beck up for more conspiracies about the Mind Controlling Jews and Jewish Bankers who run the New World Order. As ugly as you might think the wingnuts are now, it’s going to get much worse.

I hope they do an inside-double-reverse Cloward Piven. Let all the crazy jump into the RW’s welcoming arms until their system breaks down.

400 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:41:00pm

re: #396 jamesfirecat

Maybe I can take his place, and bring some balloons and hats to your pity party where we can play pin the tail on the jackass!

or maybe you can just say something relevant for a change… I know I ask a lot.

401 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:41:02pm

re: #398 Gus 802

And Palin, for her completely asinine use of ‘blood libel’, thus contributing to the devaluation of a term of great historical import for Jews.

402 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:41:07pm

re: #394 lawhawk

No, it doesn’t. Paul is firmly entrenched in the isolationist stream of American politics that has a long history - and little of it any good.

The Golden Ostrich that is Rand Paul

403 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:42:29pm

It amazes me how many people think that it is all about them…

404 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:42:34pm

This is kind of complex, because Jesus did identify with the victims. But Jesus wasn’t a victim, he was a conqueror. Jesus conquered death. He chose to give his life. Jesus didn’t come back from the dead and make the Jews pay for what they did. That would have been an abomination. — Glenn Beck

And that’s from July of last year.

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:42:48pm

re: #355 darthstar

A-freakin’-dorable.

406 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:43:18pm

re: #395 Gus 802

Just saw this…

Glenn Beck: The Jews Killed Jesus

Yeah, and Fox corporate came out against the 400 Rabbis protesting Beck’s language with the “Soros Smear” Amazing.

407 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:43:56pm

re: #403 brookly red

It amazes me how many people think that it is all about them…

Speaking of that, do you need to post every thought that drifts through your head? It gets terribly boring.

408 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:44:20pm

Heh. Check out this comment at Hot Air.

He quotes:

Rand Paul: It’s time to end foreign aid, including aid to Israel

And then says:

That’s just not fair. The State Department would actually have to work instead of simply being a rich uncle handing out taxpayer money willy-nilly to every foreign Tom, Dick and Harry.

409 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:44:36pm

re: #406 Stanley Sea

Yeah, and Fox corporate came out against the 400 Rabbis protesting Beck’s language with the “Soros Smear” Amazing.

sometimes the antisemitism is hidden, sometimes it peeks its head above water on major conservative news outlets

410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:44:54pm

re: #355 darthstar

AAAaaand the link don’t work.

411 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:45:05pm

re: #407 McSpiff

Speaking of that, do you need to post every thought that drifts through your head? It gets terribly boring.

I really like this india pale ale

412 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:45:14pm

I have an idea for an Arab TV show -

Shit My Authoritarian Ruler Says

413 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:45:43pm

re: #407 McSpiff

Speaking of that, do you need to post every thought that drifts through your head? It gets terribly boring.

well yes I do… no one really wants an echo chamber so I provide an alternative view point. sorry if it scares you.

414 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:45:48pm

re: #411 WindUpBird

I really like this india pale ale

Now we’re talking. Something west coast?

415 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:45:54pm

re: #407 McSpiff

I wonder where my copy of HR Giger’s Necronomicon is, I want to get that look he did for the Green paintings

oh there it is


i should close this window

416 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:46:40pm

re: #413 brookly red

well yes I do… no one really wants an echo chamber so I provide an alternative view point. sorry if it scares you.

Heh no, you’re many things but ‘scary’ isn’t one.

417 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:46:45pm

re: #414 McSpiff

Now we’re talking. Something west coast?

Bridgeport, Portland’s best: bridgeportbrew.com

418 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:47:04pm

re: #413 brookly red

well yes I do… no one really wants an echo chamber so I provide an alternative view point. sorry if it scares you.

I’m terrified

419 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:47:12pm

re: #411 WindUpBird

I really like this india pale ale

Doritos for dinner! Well, accompanied by Ketel One. What?

420 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:47:26pm

re: #416 McSpiff

Heh no, you’re many things but ‘scary’ isn’t one.

yes… but of course

421 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:47:36pm

re: #411 WindUpBird

I really like this india pale ale

Shhh. You almost never get to see a Canadian when they’re not being nice.

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:47:48pm

re: #412 karmic_inquisitor

I have an idea for an Arab TV show -

Shit My Authoritarian Ruler Says

There is a screamingly funny Ephraim Kishon essay from the late fifties or early sixties when he and his wife get their first TV. There was basically no Israeli programming, so they were watching the Arab stations.

The programming was, by all accounts, completely hilarious.

423 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:48:20pm

re: #413 brookly red

well yes I do… no one really wants an echo chamber so I provide an alternative view point. sorry if it scares you.

also, if you disappeared from this website, it would not be any closer to becoming an echo chamber, any fool can look around this blog and find that there’s a wide gamut of opinions on most subjects


it just would have, you know, a little less random noise

424 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:48:28pm

re: #417 WindUpBird

Bridgeport, Portland’s best: [Link: www.bridgeportbrew.com…]

Very nice. I’ve been enjoying this lately for IPAs:

garrisonbrewing.com (Imperial IPA)

425 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:48:38pm

re: #419 Stanley Sea

Doritos for dinner! Well, accompanied by Ketel One. What?

I like your style, you should come visit :D

426 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:49:13pm

re: #424 McSpiff

Very nice. I’ve been enjoying this lately for IPAs:

[Link: www.garrisonbrewing.com…] (Imperial IPA)

Imperials *_* I love an imperial IPA

427 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:50:02pm

BIAB

Hold the fort and above all remain calm! //

428 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:50:07pm

re: #422 SanFranciscoZionist

There is a screamingly funny Ephraim Kishon essay from the late fifties or early sixties when he and his wife get their first TV. There was basically no Israeli programming, so they were watching the Arab stations.

The programming was, by all accounts, completely hilarious.

I love stories of the early days of a new medium of entertainment, video games are like that for me, just the fascinating mistakes and weird shit we put up with in an emerging medium

429 AlexRogan  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:50:07pm

re: #294 darthstar

That’s like dismissing the Atkins diet because you could slip on an icy sidewalk and crack your skull.

Sadly, I expect Rush will spew his bile on the air for years to come.

The devil won’t let Rush die….

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:51:55pm

re: #429 talon_262

The devil won’t let Rush die…

someone else would take his place

At least Rush can actually broadcast, a lot of conservative B and C-list talkers have zero ability to broadcast or carry a show for three hours. Like the Mark Levins and Larry Elders and Mike Gallaghers, people with no professional skills who just basically repeat themselves and game their shows with starter calls

431 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:52:29pm

ahhh the long list of those who used to hate me here… I invite you to join… please wallow in your hate.

432 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:52:37pm

You know, the BBC had great coverage during the day, but why did they decide to shut down for the “day”? It isn’t as though the news has stopped coming out of Egypt. I’m surprised that they stopped.

433 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:53:40pm

re: #428 WindUpBird

I love stories of the early days of a new medium of entertainment, video games are like that for me, just the fascinating mistakes and weird shit we put up with in an emerging medium

Have I told this one before? I have a great friend from Peru. They grew up learning English and watching our sitcoms. They thought Americans had the worst sense of humor due to the laugh track.

ha

434 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:53:50pm

re: #431 brookly red

ahhh the long list of those who used to hate me here… I invite you to join… please wallow in your hate.

for the love of sanity, STFU.

You are growing tiresome even for me.

435 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:54:27pm

re: #434 Ericus58

for the love of sanity, STFU.

You are growing tiresome even for me.

what can I say?

436 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:54:28pm

re: #430 WindUpBird

after a while of listening to truly talented radio guys, it’s sorta like having a new set of ears to hear the easy and obvious patterns and techniques that really dumb conservative talkers use. The outrage call and response, the starter calls, the producer doing all the work … Stuff that wouldn’t even work on a DJ gig, they can get an audience, because the audience is old and not bright and just wants their prejudices and suspicions reflected back at them

437 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:54:40pm

re: #431 brookly red

Remember, the opposite of love isn’t hate, its indifference

438 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:54:42pm

re: #431 brookly red

ahhh the long list of those who used to hate me here… I invite you to join… please wallow in your hate.

What in the hell is up with your wallowing? Bad day? Please.

439 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:54:55pm

re: #431 brookly red

ahhh the long list of those who used to hate me here… I invite you to join… please wallow in your hate.

I don’t hate you, you’re just spam, dude

you repeat yourself a lot

440 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:55:07pm

re: #435 brookly red

Far too much.

441 AlexRogan  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:55:25pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

Interesting. Fairly overwhelming support for Rand’s proposal. I think we can safely safe Israel has gone under the right wing bus.

I’m sure that if cutting off aid to Israel will hasten Armageddon and the Rapture, the wingnuts are A-OK with that…

*spits*

442 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:55:38pm

re: #433 Stanley Sea

Have I told this one before? I have a great friend from Peru. They grew up learning English and watching our sitcoms. They thought Americans had the worst sense of humor due to the laugh track.

ha

hah! :D

443 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:56:32pm

Well I have a litmus test for uprising authenticity.

If any of the places on this list are standing tomorrow, unburned with plate glass windows intact, then this is an authentic uprising.

444 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:56:57pm

re: #442 WindUpBird

I’m working Windy for a So Cal visit. Working…..

445 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:57:18pm

What is going on with the CNN feed showing the Egyptian State TV - they’re running clips of WWI and I heard Hitler being mentioned…

446 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:57:24pm

re: #440 McSpiff

Far too much.

yes far from Egypt…but you just can’t stay focused.

447 BishopX  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:57:43pm

re: #443 karmic_inquisitor

They won’t get the airport starbucks too much security.

448 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:57:51pm

re: #440 McSpiff

Far too much.

Seldom has anyone spent so much time saying so little.

449 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:58:14pm

re: #433 Stanley Sea

Have I told this one before? I have a great friend from Peru. They grew up learning English and watching our sitcoms. They thought Americans had the worst sense of humor due to the laugh track.

ha

If you watch a lot of overseas TV, it’s the commercials that really give you an idea of the local value system. Italians really seem to go for “sexy young mother”.

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:58:22pm

re: #441 talon_262

I’m sure that if cutting off aid to Israel will hasten Armageddon and the Rapture, the wingnuts are A-OK with that…

*spits*

what creeps me out is I honestly have no idea how many people in America believe in magical prophecy that requires some insane video-game-esque set of criteria to be fulfilled before (take your pick) God comes back, Jesus comes back, God smites our enemies, we go to heaven, they go to hell, we get some good stuff, etc. I think it’s a LOT, but I really have no idea how high the percentage is


Sort of a chilling thought, isn’t it?

451 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:58:42pm

re: #445 Ericus58

What is going on with the CNN feed showing the Egyptian State TV - they’re running clips of WWI and I heard Hitler being mentioned…

I’m watching Al Jazeera on my various technodrome monitors, fuck CNN

452 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:59:13pm

re: #446 brookly red

yes far from Egypt…but you just can’t stay focused.

Lets hear your thoughts on Egypt then. I’ve made mine clear, about everything from how I’d handle a crackdown, the type of aid the west should provide, who we should work with.

Your turn, post something of actual value here for once.

453 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 5:59:16pm

The Hot Air thread continues and it’s still overwhelming support for throwing Israel to the wolves.
Could you imagine going on LGF or any other conservative blog in 2006 and proposing cutting off aid to Israel?
I still can’t quite wrap my mind around how far the wingnuts have gone down the crazy road. I thought surely they would have imploding under the weight of their own insanity before they got this far.
I’m no longer lowballing my estimates on how far they’ll go. This is going to get much much worse.

454 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:00:04pm

re: #419 Stanley Sea

LOL!
Not Cheetos?

455 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:00:18pm

re: #452 McSpiff

Lets hear your thoughts on Egypt then. I’ve made mine clear, about everything from how I’d handle a crackdown, the type of aid the west should provide, who we should work with.

Your turn, post something of actual value here for once.

go up thread, and pretend you care.

456 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:00:32pm

re: #444 Stanley Sea

I’m working Windy for a So Cal visit. Working…

oh awesome!

There’s a con in Irvine I could probably make a trip to in a few months, that’s at least sorta close :D

457 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:01:13pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

The Hot Air thread continues and it’s still overwhelming support for throwing Israel to the wolves.
Could you imagine going on LGF or any other conservative blog in 2006 and proposing cutting off aid to Israel?
I still can’t quite wrap my mind around how far the wingnuts have gone down the crazy road. I thought surely they would have imploding under the weight of their own insanity before they got this far.
I’m no longer lowballing my estimates on how far they’ll go. This is going to get much much worse.

The party seems to have completely changed on its axis

And yes, this is only the beginning

458 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:01:45pm

re: #455 brookly red

Dude, I’m just reporting this as a troll, it’s really getting old

459 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:01:50pm

re: #451 WindUpBird

I’m watching Al Jazeera on my various technodrome monitors, fuck CNN

I might have to switch - it’s been a history lesson for the last 10 minutes…..

460 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:02:07pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

what creeps me out is I honestly have no idea how many people in America believe in magical prophecy that requires some insane video-game-esque set of criteria to be fulfilled before (take your pick) God comes back, Jesus comes back, God smites our enemies, we go to heaven, they go to hell, we get some good stuff, etc. I think it’s a LOT, but I really have no idea how high the percentage is

Sort of a chilling thought, isn’t it?

That’s totally not a hot teaching in the Catholic population. If a RC starts talking end times, he’s in a fringe splinter. (Wife is leading a bible study of Revelations right now. Bad choice, driven by the sequence.)

461 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:02:09pm

re: #455 brookly red

Human behavior is a funny thing. The tough guy act to cover up intellectual short comings has been around for thousands of years. You can find it in the bible. Jesus actually speaks out against it. Funny how human behavior never changes.

462 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:02:18pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I’m no longer lowballing my estimates on how far they’ll go. This is going to get much much worse.

And yet, it still isn’t weird enough for me.

463 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:02:40pm

re: #299 brookly red

ah yes, the world is on fire, tear gas & water cannons in the streets, and of course we stick our thumbs in our mouths & cry Rush…

What? The world if far from on fire. This convulsion notwithstanding, the world is at a peak of peace and prosperity. Our technology improves with colossal momentum. We have the means to address our AGW problems, and our financial problems are just a nuisance in the big scheme.

Things, believe it or not, are better than they’ve ever been.

464 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:03:15pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

I’m seeing about a 1/3 of them totally for cutting off aid, 1/3 saying that Israel should be cut off last— whatever that means, a small number saying it’s just dumb to cut of foreign aid, and significant number of people saying stuff like this:

You buy insurance? Cable? What’s the difference between that and sending $ to Israel? You get
someone running blocking and information. Think, man. On top of that you get the satisfaction of knowing the fella in the foxhole with you isn’t asleep, or gone, or worse.

Israel as paid agent of the US. Exactly what Israel resists being seen as or portrayed as, and is insulted as being seen as or portrayed as.

465 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:03:25pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

what creeps me out is I honestly have no idea how many people in America believe in magical prophecy that requires some insane video-game-esque set of criteria to be fulfilled before (take your pick) God comes back, Jesus comes back, God smites our enemies, we go to heaven, they go to hell, we get some good stuff, etc. I think it’s a LOT, but I really have no idea how high the percentage is

Sort of a chilling thought, isn’t it?

And what I find interesting is… when this subject comes up, especially on the left… the finger is pointed at the right… which is odd, since there are hundred and hundred thousand religious people on the left who believe in these very same prophetic material.

Granted, for certain religionist on the right, it plays into a world view that does wrap politics and country into their cosmology…

But when you make fun of it, in general, you are mocking the beliefs of people on both sides.

I don’t understand that.

466 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:03:34pm

re: #461 McSpiff

Jesus actually speaks out against it. Funny how human behavior never changes.

Where did Jesus stand on the issue of imaginary girlfriends?

467 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:07pm

re: #463 lostlakehiker

Things, believe it or not, are better than they’ve ever been.

That’s really not saying much.

468 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:21pm

re: #449 Decatur Deb

If you watch a lot of overseas TV, it’s the commercials that really give you an idea of the local value system. Italians really seem to go for “sexy young mother”.

Odd, because the reality is that precious few young Italian women are mothers. The birth rate is verging on merely 50 percent of replacement.

469 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:30pm

Good evening all. How are you?

470 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:38pm

re: #419 Stanley Sea

Doritos for dinner! Well, accompanied by Ketel One. What?

Bring it, girl. Let’s have a picnic. Nothing like a big dose of freedom. I remember floating on air.

471 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:39pm

re: #451 WindUpBird

I’m watching Al Jazeera on my various technodrome monitors, fuck CNN

well when some folks prefer Al Jazeera to CNN then really what more can I say?

472 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:42pm

re: #462 Charles

“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”
Hunter S. Thompson, IIRC.

473 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:04:58pm

re: #431 brookly red

ahhh the long list of those who used to hate me here… I invite you to join… please wallow in your hate.

I suspect it’s not you they hate, just the mindless drivel you post.

474 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:05:01pm

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

I find it really funny you talked about the fingers from the left being pointed at the right in reply to a post that pointed no fingers at the right, and came from someone on the left.

475 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:05:38pm

re: #466 bratwurst

Where did Jesus stand on the issue of imaginary girlfriends?

Well, I’d hate to get too into biblical scholarship (not really my area) but I will point out the importance of Palm Sunday in the Christian Church. Draw your own conclusions.

476 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:05:43pm

re: #474 Obdicut

I find it really funny you talked about the fingers from the left being pointed at the right in reply to a post that pointed no fingers at the right, and came from someone on the left.

I find it funny that you respond to my comment with a non-answer.

477 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:05:57pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

The Hot Air thread continues and it’s still overwhelming support for throwing Israel to the wolves.
Could you imagine going on LGF or any other conservative blog in 2006 and proposing cutting off aid to Israel?
I still can’t quite wrap my mind around how far the wingnuts have gone down the crazy road. I thought surely they would have imploding under the weight of their own insanity before they got this far.
I’m no longer lowballing my estimates on how far they’ll go. This is going to get much much worse.

Quite bizarre. And when people say that this new attitude is because America is so in the shitter, I just laugh.

We are fine. Give me a break, we are nothing, nowhere near the imaginary
“troubles”

I drive a car 30 miles each day, I have a place to sleep, it’s so unimaginable that we complain like we are dying. And react like little babies.

And, I’m eating doritos and drinking Ketel One.

478 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:06:30pm

re: #473 Talking Point Detective

I suspect it’s not you they hate, just the mindless drivel you post.

come on, tell me what you really think.

479 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:06:47pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

what creeps me out is I honestly have no idea how many people in America believe in magical prophecy that requires some insane video-game-esque set of criteria to be fulfilled before (take your pick) God comes back, Jesus comes back, God smites our enemies, we go to heaven, they go to hell, we get some good stuff, etc. I think it’s a LOT, but I really have no idea how high the percentage is

Sort of a chilling thought, isn’t it?

I really don’t think is a large percentage, but I’m working with several decades old personal experience.
The Fundi/Evangelical churches I attended in my youth really didn’t preach the Jewish people being bad or to not support. The Rapture/Armageddon thing was there but if I remember correctly it was more centered on the Temple being rebuilt and peace for 3 1/2 years before all hell broke out (so to say).

Nowadays, I have no dog in that hunt and only hope that more haven’t gone off the deep end…

480 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:06:55pm

re: #456 WindUpBird

oh awesome!

There’s a con in Irvine I could probably make a trip to in a few months, that’s at least sorta close :D

Easy. Make it happen.

481 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:06:56pm

re: #478 brookly red

come on, tell me what you really think.

Love me! Love me!

482 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:06:58pm

re: #476 Walter L. Newton

I find it funny that you respond to my comment with a non-answer.

Ask a question, maybe you’ll get an answer.

483 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:07:43pm

re: #468 lostlakehiker

Odd, because the reality is that precious few young Italian women are mothers. The birth rate is verging on merely 50 percent of replacement.

That might be why they are portayed as desirable. Check out the interesting folk notion of “mamismo”.

484 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:08:57pm

re: #453 Killgore Trout

The Hot Air thread continues and it’s still overwhelming support for throwing Israel to the wolves.
Could you imagine going on LGF or any other conservative blog in 2006 and proposing cutting off aid to Israel?
I still can’t quite wrap my mind around how far the wingnuts have gone down the crazy road. I thought surely they would have imploding under the weight of their own insanity before they got this far.
I’m no longer lowballing my estimates on how far they’ll go. This is going to get much much worse.

Interesting Question: Will the Stalker Blog, which has often proclaimed its support for Israel:

1. rebuke those Hot Air assholes.
2. attack Killgore for pointing the situation out.
3. both of the above.
4. say nothing.
5. Ron Paul.

485 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:09:08pm

re: #472 Floral Giraffe

So that means I’ve got an advantage! That’s great to hear.

Took Shahada today. I am now officially a Muslim.

486 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:10:02pm

re: #478 brookly red

come on, tell me what you really think.

Judging from the amount of whining I’ve already seen from you on this thread, I don’t think you could handle it.

487 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:10:16pm

re: #481 McSpiff

Love me! Love me!

“I don’t care ‘bout anything but you!” ;)

488 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:10:26pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

They will fixate on the commenters who are either saying Israel shouldn’t be cut off, be cut off last, or that they serve as a hired gun for us, and say he’s wrong.

They don’t deal in reality.

489 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:10:58pm

re: #486 Talking Point Detective

Judging from the amount of whining I’ve already seen from you on this thread, I don’t think you could handle it.

come on guy, dance with me, what do you have…

490 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:11:00pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

Interesting Question: Will the Stalker Blog, which has often proclaimed its support for Israel:

1. rebuke those Hot Air assholes.
2. attack Killgore for pointing the situation out.
3. both of the above.
4. say nothing.
5. Ron Paul.

6. Claim Killgore created socks and made the posts himself.

491 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:11:29pm

re: #489 brookly red

come on guy, dance with me, what do you have…

You need to up your game. Pitiful today and tonight.

492 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:12:19pm

Well, I have to say - after watching Mubarak’s speech, he sure didn’t look weak or unsure of himself.

this weekend will not be peaceful…

493 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:12:22pm

In this article the NYT calls Iran a “quasi-theocracy”

I suppose that is correct when you account for the fact that it is a hybridized theocracy and kleptocracy - can’t be just one.

494 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:12:22pm

And now, back to serious consideration

ioerror

Dear America (and the rest of the world), consider your role in these events and read @kragen’s writeup: bit.ly #egypt #jan25

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:12:39pm

re: #428 WindUpBird

I love stories of the early days of a new medium of entertainment, video games are like that for me, just the fascinating mistakes and weird shit we put up with in an emerging medium

My favorite story about TV in the Middle East actually comes from a Baghdad blogger who was talking to an older woman in the neighborhood about when the neighbors down the street bought the first TV set on the block.

In the late morning, all the ladies would go to that family’s house, and drink coffee and watch the shows. When the news came on, everyone would get their street clothes and veil themselves—after all, a strange man was reading the news!

This went on until the hostess’ son came home from school early one day, and found his mother and her friends covered in abayas in the living room, catching world events.

He pointed out that because they could see the newscaster didn’t mean that the newscaster could see them.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:13:08pm

re: #433 Stanley Sea

Have I told this one before? I have a great friend from Peru. They grew up learning English and watching our sitcoms. They thought Americans had the worst sense of humor due to the laugh track.

ha

Brits still use the laugh track for sitcoms.

497 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:13:40pm

re: #485 ProLifeLiberal

So that means I’ve got an advantage! That’s great to hear.

Took Shahada today. I am now officially a Muslim.

Congratulations for what it brings you, but never give up the questioning.

498 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:13:56pm

re: #477 Stanley Sea


And, I’m eating doritos and drinking Ketel One.

and driving 30 miles a day… lets hope you don’t need to make a claim against your insurance, well you know how it is. :)

499 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:13:57pm

re: #484 Dark_Falcon

Interesting Question: Will the Stalker Blog, which has often proclaimed its support for Israel:

1. rebuke those Hot Air assholes.
2. attack Killgore for pointing the situation out.
3. both of the above.
4. say nothing.
5. Ron Paul.

All those idiots who flounced because LGF wasn’t pro-Israel enough are disussing that very issue at this moment. Like the rest of the wingnuts they’re ok with it. Their main justification so far is that it’s a principled universal ban on all foriegn aid. Fucking lemmings will go along with whatever they’re told.

500 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:14:41pm

re: #492 Ericus58

Well, I have to say - after watching Mubarak’s speech, he sure didn’t look weak or unsure of himself.

He, like Mugabe, looks eerily young for someone in his 80s. I guess being a pampered dictator has that effect.*

*Now contrast it with how American presidents look after only a few years in office…

501 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:15:44pm

re: #491 Stanley Sea

You need to up your game. Pitiful today and tonight.

what do you have? come on bring it, aside form your admission to DWI :)

502 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:16:02pm

re: #489 brookly red

come on guy, dance with me, what do you have…

Not really necessary…

Just get sober, stay on your meds for a week, stop watching Beck, take down that giant poster of Palin, and then read some of your comments after you’ve settled down. I’m sure that without all that hatred coursing through your veins and clouding your vision, you’ll figure it out for yourself.

503 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:16:46pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

Fucking lemmings will go along with whatever they’re told.

Dwight Shrute-esque “exception”: ” Not if they are told to shut up.”

504 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:16:57pm

re: #501 brookly red

what do you have? come on bring it, aside form your admission to DWI :)

Oh Brookly, you are a case right now.

I dare you to type a 7 line post!

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:17:39pm

re: #485 ProLifeLiberal

So that means I’ve got an advantage! That’s great to hear.

Took Shahada today. I am now officially a Muslim.

Mazal tov. May you be happy.

506 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:18:36pm

The Hot Air thread has gone from overwhelming Paulian support to Universal Paulian support. Who says wingnuts aren’t fast learners?

507 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:19:13pm

re: #494 Stanley Sea

Whoa, who’s reading that blog?

508 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:19:25pm

Interesting Sarah Palin melt down on the latest thread about her at RedState. It’s come to blows, about a week later than I thought it would.

509 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:19:34pm

re: #502 Talking Point Detective

Not really necessary…

Just get sober, stay on your meds for a week, stop watching Beck, take down that giant poster of Palin, and then read some of your comments after you’ve settled down. I’m sure that without all that hatred coursing through your veins and clouding your vision, you’ll figure it out for yourself.

I don’t have meds… I don’t have TV . Now besides pure hate what do you have? I know you don’t like what I say, but aside from your name calling & innuendo what do you have? Just one fact will do… just one.

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:19:41pm

re: #500 publicityStunted

He, like Mugabe, looks eerily young for someone in his 80s. I guess being a pampered dictator has that effect.*

*Now contrast it with how American presidents look after only a few years in office…

It is pretty striking.

511 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:20:04pm

re: #501 brookly red

what do you have? come on bring it, aside form your admission to DWI :)

You put a smiley after that?! That’s just plain being an ass.

512 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:20:49pm

re: #500 publicityStunted

He, like Mugabe, looks eerily young for someone in his 80s. I guess being a pampered dictator has that effect.*

*Now contrast it with how American presidents look after only a few years in office

Our Presidents face much graver decisions and grapple with the ramifications. I don’t differentiate between Republican or Democratic party affiliation on this.

For all our faults in our past foreign policy decisions, I firmly believe that our Presidents try their best.

513 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:21:10pm

fine, I am a case… hope you don’t file a claim :)

514 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:21:27pm

re: #508 prairiefire

Interesting Sarah Palin melt down on the latest thread about her at RedState. It’s come to blows, about a week later than I thought it would.

What;s that about? I haven’t been following.

515 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:21:30pm

re: #508 prairiefire

Interesting Sarah Palin melt down on the latest thread about her at RedState. It’s come to blows, about a week later than I thought it would.

Girl, will you link? I don’t want to search…You know.

516 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:21:45pm

re: #509 brookly red

I don’t have meds… I don’t have TV . Now besides pure hate what do you have? I know you don’t like what I say, but aside from your name calling & innuendo what do you have? Just one fact will do… just one.

That’s just it, you don’t say anything.

The right wing view point is represented from moderate to relatively extreme. You aren’t a rebel, you’re boring.

517 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:22:03pm

re: #506 Killgore Trout

The Hot Air thread has gone from overwhelming Paulian support to Universal Paulian support. Who says wingnuts aren’t fast learners?

Well, the good news is that Paul’s budget won’t be the one passed. We’ll get a compromise instead. And the wingnuts will try to pretend they never planned to insist on Paul’s budget, but Killgore will have the screenshots with which to embarrass them. >:D

518 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:22:04pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

You put a smiley after that?! That’s just plain being an ass.

true… I should have just let it be.

519 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:22:12pm

re: #501 brookly red

What is with you & the personal attacks?
What do you think should the Egyptian government be doing?

520 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:23:09pm

re: #510 SanFranciscoZionist

If someone in the US decides to run for, and suceeds in winning the Presidency, they have basically signed away years of their life that will be reduced by stress. Most have to admit that, even if you don’t like a President’t policies, they are giving their life to the nation in a way.

521 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:23:09pm

re: #502 Talking Point Detective

All you need to know about the game being played is here.

522 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:23:16pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

You put a smiley after that?! That’s just plain being an ass.

ha, I’m laughing at the imaginary photo of me, driving down the 5, with my bag of doritos and my Ketel One (yes, I have a lime wedge too)

523 Zanobia  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:23:46pm

re: #18 SpaceJesus

the last facebook post by my egpytian friend on tuesday

فيومى أو شرقاوى واحد فيهم و الحق يفهم المهم قال لمرته
تعرفي إن الخلفاء العباسي& #1610;ن
: كان لهم ألقابهم زي
المعتصم بالله
المتوكل على الله
…الواثق بالله
فلو كنت أنا منهم فكرك
أي لقب كان يناسبني ؟؟
: فقالت : أنت واحد من إثنين
إما أعوذ بالله

anybody speak arabic?


It’s an unfinished Egyptian joke, you didn’t copy the whole thing.

524 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:24:00pm

re: #519 Floral Giraffe

What is with you & the personal attacks?
What do you think should the Egyptian government be doing?

Building pyramids. Guys a joke, he can’t keep up with a high school level conversation let alone LGF so he tries to drag it down to his level.

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:24:12pm

re: #520 ProLifeLiberal

If someone in the US decides to run for, and suceeds in winning the Presidency, they have basically signed away years of their life that will be reduced by stress. Most have to admit that, even if you don’t like a President’t policies, they are giving their life to the nation in a way.

Totally. And it drains you; it’s strikingly visible in photographs.

526 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:24:37pm

re: #519 Floral Giraffe

What is with you & the personal attacks?
What do you think should the Egyptian government be doing?

hard to say… either crack down hard, or give up. there is no happy compromise.

527 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:25:26pm

re: #521 publicityStunted

All you need to know about the game being played is here.

woo hoo I was a witness.

Thank you for reposting.

528 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:26:25pm

Here’s a bit of nice, joyous news.
My wife just showed me a sonogram photo of the child her favorite nephew.
Oh, the clarity of the face - like an angel…..

Jake.
May you find a world of Love.

529 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:26:28pm

re: #509 brookly red

I don’t have meds… I don’t have TV . Now besides pure hate what do you have? I know you don’t like what I say, but aside from your name calling & innuendo what do you have? Just one fact will do… just one.

Here’s what I have, my brother. I was just having a little fun with you; No hatred. It should have been obvious; but you’re so ill-tempered and out of control that you were unable to see something that was obvious.

Apparently you come here to deliberately piss people off. If you enjoy that, knock yourself out, but why would you do it and then complain?

I honestly don’t understand.

530 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:26:32pm

Rand Paul: End aid to Israel. Since Israel’s enemies are implacable that could lead to the last option Israel has. Rand Paul is dangerous.

531 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:26:53pm

re: #519 Floral Giraffe

What is with you & the personal attacks?
What do you think should the Egyptian government be doing?

me making attacks… ok you seemed to have missed the others, which is ok cause i don’t want it to be about that.

532 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:28:30pm

re: #517 Dark_Falcon

Well, the good news is that Paul’s budget won’t be the one passed. We’ll get a compromise instead. And the wingnuts will try to pretend they never planned to insist on Paul’s budget, but Killgore will have the screenshots with which to embarrass them. >:D

I’m not at all worried about the screenshot. What I’m increasingly worried about is what is going to happen when these Paulian extremists are in a position to propose and pass a budget. I have been clinging to the idea that the Paulified Republican wingnuts are just playing at crazy because they think it’s fun. I’m starting to question that and I’m leaning more towards mass permanent insanity. Their base has no values beyond what Fox News tells them. They’re electing representatives who are extremists and will go along with any crackpot scheme presented to them. This is going to be very bad for the country.

533 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:28:34pm

re: #529 Talking Point Detective

Here’s what I have, my brother. I was just having a little fun with you; No hatred. It should have been obvious; but you’re so ill-tempered and out of control that you were unable to see something that was obvious.

Apparently you come here to deliberately piss people off. If you enjoy that, knock yourself out, but why would you do it and then complain?

I honestly don’t understand.

you sound just like the last last guy I/we said good by to… have fun with your projections.

534 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:28:51pm

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

Totally. And it drains you; it’s strikingly visible in photographs.

It’s not likely a President McCain would have made it this far. Dwell on that.

535 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:28:58pm

re: #521 publicityStunted

All you need to know about the game being played is here.

That’s an interesting thread.

536 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:29:06pm

re: #522 Stanley Sea

With, or without red lights & sirens behind you?
//sorta

537 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:30:33pm

re: #530 EdDantes

Rand Paul: End aid to Israel. Since Israel’s enemies are implacable that could lead to the last option Israel has. Rand Paul is dangerous.

America’s support to both Israel and Egypt keeps the region stable. This has been true since Nixon authorized Operation Nickel Grass, keeping Israel from being forced to rely on nuclear weapons. Nixon supplied Israel with both arms and in many ways political capital.

538 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:30:40pm

re: #533 brookly red

you sound just like the last last guy I/we said good by to… have fun with your projections.

Huh?

539 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:31:04pm

re: #538 Talking Point Detective

Huh?

He’s making fun of Reggie. Classy guy.

540 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:32:43pm

re: #537 McSpiff

America’s support to both Israel and Egypt keeps the region stable. This has been true since Nixon authorized Operation Nickel Grass, keeping Israel from being forced to rely on nuclear weapons. Nixon supplied Israel with both arms and in many ways political capital.

It makes sense in a weird kinda way… but I am afraid we are pushing it too far.

541 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:33:28pm

re: #539 McSpiff

He’s making fun of Reggie. Classy guy.

if the shoe fits…

542 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:34:13pm

re: #539 McSpiff

He’s making fun of Reggie. Classy guy.

Oh. Thanks.

Yeah - I’m secretly Reggie. Looks like I’ve got an Inspector Clouseau on my hands.

543 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:35:04pm

re: #534 Decatur Deb

It’s not likely a President McCain would have made it this far. Dwell on that.

I thought about that a lot during the campaign, (and in fact, had a whole opening scene for a movie based around it). He’s tough as hell, but he’s not had an easy life, and he’s an old dude.

I think it would have mattered less to me as a voter if he had chosen a more reasonable VP candidate.

544 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:35:04pm

re: #542 Talking Point Detective

Oh. Thanks.

Yeah - I’m secretly Reggie. Looks like I’ve got an Inspector Clouseau on my hands.

GAZE

545 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:35:19pm

re: #537 McSpiff

Nixon was not a friend of Jews but he knew what the stakes were. I followed that war daily and it ended with concessions that prevented much greater unpleasantness. By our support of Israel we averted a possible nuclear war.

546 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:35:34pm

re: #540 brookly red

It makes sense in a weird kinda way… but I am afraid we are pushing it too far.

Well, from what I’ve read and seen personally the investment in the IDF is just that, an investment. Egypt is somewhat debatable but at least today I feel they performed admirably as a professional fighting force. There was no massacre, they kept the protests under control in a ‘fair’ manner, saved the national museum. If US aid which includes training played any role in today… I’d say it wasn’t a total waste.

547 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:36:51pm

re: #545 EdDantes

Nixon was not a friend of Jews but he knew what the stakes were. I followed that war daily and it ended with concessions that prevented much greater unpleasantness. By our support of Israel we averted a possible nuclear war.

Nixon would be much easier to deride or even hate for his views if he didn’t have the habit of doing the right thing when push came to shove. A real enigma of a man.

548 BryanS  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:37:37pm

re: #546 McSpiff

Well, from what I’ve read and seen personally the investment in the IDF is just that, an investment. Egypt is somewhat debatable but at least today I feel they performed admirably as a professional fighting force. There was no massacre, they kept the protests under control in a ‘fair’ manner, saved the national museum. If US aid which includes training played any role in today… I’d say it wasn’t a total waste.

What?

549 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:37:55pm

re: #547 McSpiff

Nixon would be much easier to deride or even hate for his views if he didn’t have the habit of doing the right thing when push came to shove. A real enigma of a man.

America’s first autistic president?

550 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:38:02pm

re: #546 McSpiff

Well, from what I’ve read and seen personally the investment in the IDF is just that, an investment. Egypt is somewhat debatable but at least today I feel they performed admirably as a professional fighting force. There was no massacre, they kept the protests under control in a ‘fair’ manner, saved the national museum. If US aid which includes training played any role in today… I’d say it wasn’t a total waste.

The IDF contributes intelligence & technology too… this is a bad scene and I don’t want it to go ballistic.

551 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:38:48pm

re: #548 BryanS

What?

Maybe not said right. From what I’ve seen (but I’ll fully admit I stopped watching hours ago) they were a stabilizing force today.

552 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:39:48pm

re: #550 brookly red

The IDF contributes intelligence & technology too… this is a bad scene and I don’t want it to go ballistic.

They certainly do. They pull their weight, especially when it comes to R&D for things like missile defense.

553 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:39:51pm

I am walking out the door but ….

Anyone notice that the Wikileaks me-too org decide d to use Davos as a platform for announcing itself?

reuters.com

these guys are bankrolled

554 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:40:10pm

re: #515 Stanley Sea

Girl, will you link? I don’t want to search…You know.

It would get deleted, girl.
A morsel~This response is absurd - it seems to both stretch Palin’s words beyond comprehension and misread Obama’s speech as well.

Starting with Palin, how on earth can you say she isn’t try to connect the events?
As noted above her exact words were “it resulted in” - in what world can you use ‘resulted’ and not mean causality (it isn’t even implied, it is explicit). She seems to be making a connection to our debt and potential future collapse - which may be valid but the causality between the soviets investment in the sputnik program and their is non-existent.

555 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:41:53pm

re: #532 Killgore Trout

I’m not at all worried about the screenshot. What I’m increasingly worried about is what is going to happen when these Paulian extremists are in a position to propose and pass a budget. I have been clinging to the idea that the Paulified Republican wingnuts are just playing at crazy because they think it’s fun. I’m starting to question that and I’m leaning more towards mass permanent insanity. Their base has no values beyond what Fox News tells them. They’re electing representatives who are extremists and will go along with any crackpot scheme presented to them. This is going to be very bad for the country.

It is unlikely they will be in such a position. Back in the 1980’s, the House Democratic leadership allowed the Congressman Ron Dellums to introduce a “peace budget” each year that called for cutting defense spending by 75%. And that was while Dellums chaired the House Subcommittee on Military Installations. His proposals were never seriously considered, and Paul’s will not be either.

556 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:43:14pm

re: #552 McSpiff

They certainly do. They pull their weight, especially when it comes to R&D for things like missile defense.

well yes, radar, drones etc. but we don’t want to see a situation where a first world army has to preform a 3rd world slaughter in self defense. I am sure you agree.

557 prairiefire  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:43:26pm

re: #554 prairiefire

The Sarah “Sputnick/Spudnut” interview on Greta”s TV show has been the straw that has broken the redstate camel’s back.
The non Palin supporters are confronting the supporters in a very assertive way!

558 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:45:02pm

re: #556 brookly red

well yes, radar, drones etc. but we don’t want to see a situation where a first world army has to preform a 3rd world slaughter in self defense. I am sure you agree.

Of course

559 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:45:48pm

re: #558 McSpiff

Of course

of course

560 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:46:20pm

re: #559 brookly red

of course

For someone who complains so much about the echo chamber…

561 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:47:13pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

Whoa, who’s reading that blog?

I still can’t get it to load :( What did it say? The wording in the link is pretty horrifying to say the least.

562 simoom  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:47:56pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

According to the Telegraph,,,

Egypt protests: America’s secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising

Maybe, maybe not.

What’s amusing about that story is I’ve seen a number #tcot tweets linking to it and ranting about President Obama. As is often the case, some #tcot tweeters have trouble with dates (specifically, when inauguration day took place).

A couple examples:

Jihadihunter: Obama Has Supported The Muslim Brotherhood Since Cairo 2008 [link to that article] #tyranny #egypt #tcot #muslim #islam #cair #obama #teaparty

—-

Justlikemonet: Egypt protests: Amer secret backing 4 rebels behind uprising-Telegraph Obama needs 2 b removed [link to that article] via @Telegraph #tcot
563 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:48:10pm

re: #560 McSpiff

For someone who complains so much about the echo chamber…

why did you have to do that? you just made my point, we agree but you had to make it personal… why did you do that?

564 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:48:36pm

re: #560 McSpiff

For someone who complains so much about the echo chamber…

[eyeroll]

565 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:49:04pm

re: #537 McSpiff

If anyone is interested in Nixon I recommend “Partners in Power: Nixon and Kissinger”, by Robert Dallek. I thought it was going to be a hit piece on Nixon but it was very fair. Also, I marched in an impeach Nixon rally in 1974.

566 webevintage  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:49:49pm

re: #557 prairiefire

The Sarah “Sputnick/Spudnut” interview on Greta”s TV show has been the straw that has broken the redstate camel’s back.
The non Palin supporters are confronting the supporters in a very assertive way!

whoo-hoo!

But folks, doncha know she WAS talkin’ about real SPUDNUTS, the delicious kind, the fancy kind that flies in space:
facebook.com

567 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:50:51pm

kumbaya

568 webevintage  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:51:04pm

re: #566 webevintage

whoo-hoo!

But folks, doncha know she WAS talkin’ about real SPUDNUTS, the delicious kind, the fancy kind that flies in space:
[Link: www.facebook.com…]

BAH!
I need an edit….it should read “NOT the fancy kind that flies in space”.

569 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:51:08pm

re: #562 simoom

What’s amusing about that story is I’ve seen a number #tcot tweets linking to it and ranting about President Obama. As is often the case, some #tcot tweeters have trouble with dates (specifically, when inauguration day took place).

A couple examples:

—-

Haters are gonna hate. Lots of those who have drunk the #tcot Kool Aid are so fixated on Obama they can’t really focus on situations where Obama is not a major players. They go after him anyway to get their hate fix. They’re junkies.

570 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:51:19pm

re: #563 brookly red

why did you have to do that? you just made my point, we agree but you had to make it personal… why did you do that?

Just a joke, usually builds a sense of familiarity with people. Can see it didn’t go so well. But you’re right we certainly agree about the IDF. The fact that America benefits so directly and tangibly from that money makes me wonder to what degree its really “aid”.

571 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:51:35pm

re: #565 EdDantes

If anyone is interested in Nixon I recommend “Partners in Power: Nixon and Kissinger”, by Robert Dallek. I thought it was going to be a hit piece on Nixon but it was very fair. Also, I marched in an impeach Nixon rally in 1974.

now there is a case of frustration!

572 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:51:59pm

re: #499 Killgore Trout

More from hot air:

Can’t Israel defend itself? Why can’t anyone criticize Israel without being called an anti-Semite?

nazo311 on January 28, 2011 at 9:41 PM

It’s no different than playing the “race card.”

573 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:52:18pm

re: #570 McSpiff

Just a joke, usually builds a sense of familiarity with people. Can see it didn’t go so well. But you’re right we certainly agree about the IDF. The fact that America benefits so directly and tangibly from that money makes me wonder to what degree its really “aid”.

I may grow to like you… or not.

574 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:53:38pm

re: #543 SanFranciscoZionist

I thought about that a lot during the campaign, (and in fact, had a whole opening scene for a movie based around it). He’s tough as hell, but he’s not had an easy life, and he’s an old dude.

I think it would have mattered less to me as a voter if he had chosen a more reasonable VP candidate.

McCain and Romney would have been a strong ticket, but NOOOO

575 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:53:38pm

re: #565 EdDantes

If anyone is interested in Nixon I recommend “Partners in Power: Nixon and Kissinger”, by Robert Dallek. I thought it was going to be a hit piece on Nixon but it was very fair. Also, I marched in an impeach Nixon rally in 1974.

I know Conrad Black wrote a biography on Nixon. I’ve wanted to read it, hoping it will provide insight on Black as well as Nixon.

I’ll see if i can track down a copy of that, sounds interesting.

576 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:54:08pm

re: #573 brookly red

I may grow to like you… or not.

it would help if you lost the mangy parrot on your shoulder ;)

577 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:54:22pm

re: #567 albusteve

kumbaya

When I lead a Habitat or church youth group, I teach them ‘Kumbaya’ at the farewell dinner. Little bastards mights as well learn counter-cynicism young.

578 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:54:50pm

re: #576 brookly red

it would help if you lost the mangy parrot on your shoulder ;)

…did I just get called a pirate?

579 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:55:05pm

re: #572 Obdicut

I love how the wingnuts are now embracing looney left positions.

Yes, Israel can defend itself. That’s why we don’t have a mutual defense treaty with them, and never have. The military aid we give them is material, not manpower.

580 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:55:19pm

re: #508 prairiefire

Interesting Sarah Palin melt down on the latest thread about her at RedState. It’s come to blows, about a week later than I thought it would.

internet blows?

Or is there some guy typing on a thread and then suddenly his front door’s knocked down and the internet becomes real

“So I was saying, Sarah Palin can totally be elected presIDOH GOD THEY”:RE HEd cvz ugdhiasOI

581 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:55:46pm

re: #576 brookly red

it would help if you lost the mangy parrot on your shoulder ;)

Just don’t say that to Walter. He’s quite fond of Maisey.

582 webevintage  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:56:12pm

re: #578 McSpiff

…did I just get called a pirate?

arrrrggghhhh matey….

583 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:56:29pm

Presented without comment


juggalofetish.blogspot.com

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:57:18pm

re: #572 Obdicut

More from hot air:

nazo311 on January 28, 2011 at 9:41 PM

It’s no different than playing the “race card.”

Lord.

585 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:57:39pm

re: #574 WindUpBird

McCain and Romney would have been a strong ticket, but NOOO

McCain felt he had to appease James Dobson. I really wish he’d told Dobson to fuck off. He’d have lost the election, but Dobson might have gone nuts enough to marginalize and the Bad Craziness contagion might have been contained.

586 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:58:05pm

re: #485 ProLifeLiberal

So that means I’ve got an advantage! That’s great to hear.

Took Shahada today. I am now officially a Muslim.

I am pleased to hear that. May God bless you and keep you.

587 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:58:06pm
588 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:58:25pm

re: #579 Obdicut

I love how the wingnuts are now embracing looney left positions.

Yes, Israel can defend itself. That’s why we don’t have a mutual defense treaty with them, and never have. The military aid we give them is material, not manpower.

There’s always been something really agreeable to me about how Israel conducts its international relationships, especially in the military sphere. Very realistic, very practical. I haven’t had the chance to work directly with the Israeli military, but speaking to those who have sounds like they’re always very hospitable hosts, appreciative of quality work.

589 simoom  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:58:59pm

re: #562 simoom

Ah, someone on #tcot tweeter finally got their timelines right. Note the totally opposite spin though :P:

whiteshot RT@Telegraph Egypt protests:America’s secret backing 4 rebel leaders behind uprising [link to the article] W~43 is a Freedom lover.#News #tcot
590 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:59:15pm

re: #571 brookly red

now there is a case of frustration!

I’m a complicated man but no understands me but my woman.

591 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:59:24pm

re: #583 WindUpBird

Presented without comment

[Link: juggalofetish.blogspot.com…]

Jugglao culture? Now there’s an oxymoron if I have ever seen one!

592 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 6:59:36pm

re: #578 McSpiff

…did I just get called a pirate?

if you wish

593 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:00:00pm

re: #585 Dark_Falcon

McCain felt he had to appease James Dobson. I really wish he’d told Dobson to fuck off. He’d have lost the election, but Dobson might have gone nuts enough to marginalize and the Bad Craziness contagion might have been contained.

we heartily agree

594 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:00:29pm

re: #583 WindUpBird

Presented without comment

[Link: juggalofetish.blogspot.com…]

Money Quote:

We appreciate all this shit. Especially a yellow ass, long neck giraffe. What’s a shame is how people walk around blind to it all. They lost their spirit about everything. If you can’t even see the miracle in animals, then you must have never truly loved a pet. That has to suck for you. Maybe you mother fuckers should relax that wound up, extra tense bitch ass of yours for a minute and go smoke a joint or somethin’.

Be an individual, step out and away from the flow of the crowd. Take a time out, open up ya mind and then peep the giraffe. Try to appreciate some of these miracles, bitch.

Emphasis in original

(waves to Floral) Floral, they like you. They really like you!

595 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:00:47pm

re: #592 brookly red

if you wish



O_o

596 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:00:51pm

re: #591 bratwurst

Jugglao culture? Now there’s an oxymoron if I have ever seen one!


No different than Kiss culture, or Alice Cooper culture. ;-) Rock and roll is its own language


honestly, I can go on for hours about this, I know a lot about marginalized freaks

597 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:01:20pm

re: #590 EdDantes

I’m a complicated man but no understands me but my woman.

Shaft! BE DAT YOU?

598 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:01:40pm

re: #594 Dark_Falcon

I’m listening to “Gory Pussy”, this woman who’s an Oregon Juggalo rapper

599 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:02:01pm

re: #596 WindUpBird

No different than Kiss culture, or Alice Cooper culture. ;-) Rock and roll is its own language

honestly, I can go on for hours about this, I know a lot about marginalized freaks

I caught Alice Cooper’s cane at a concert! A very large man took it from me shortly after…

600 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:02:56pm

re: #594 Dark_Falcon

LOL.
They don’t know how I can kick!

601 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:03:01pm

re: #599 McSpiff

I caught Alice Cooper’s cane at a concert! A very large man took it from me shortly after…

awwww :D

I never even try for grabbing drumsticks or whatever at shows, there’s always big guys going after that stuff

602 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:03:33pm

settle down!
Midnight Rider

603 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:03:47pm

re: #601 WindUpBird

awww :D

I never even try for grabbing drumsticks or whatever at shows, there’s always big guys going after that stuff

His exact words were “You wanna taste your teeth kid?”

604 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:03:56pm

re: #600 Floral Giraffe

LOL.
They don’t know how I can kick!

A guy I know made a gigantic walking giraffe robot that got on the Discovery channel: electricgiraffe.com

605 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:04:16pm

re: #567 albusteve

kumbaya

/Blam! Blam! Blam! Blam! cicka, click. damn plugs :(

606 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:04:26pm

re: #603 McSpiff

His exact words were “You wanna taste your teeth kid?”

And then you say, no, absolutely not! And then when he’s not looking, you stab him in the balls with a pencil

607 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:04:45pm

re: #597 brookly red

Shaft! BE DAT YOU?

Indeed, it be.

608 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:06:17pm

re: #603 McSpiff

His exact words were “You wanna taste your teeth kid?”

I’ve only been threatened a couple of times at concerts, and one was a case of mistaken identity, another was some old fossil who was being an atrocious dickbag that I wanted to flatten, but I didn’t want to be kicked out of the theater. Who knew a Joe Satriani show would be the place I’d be threatened by some 60 year old psycho

609 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:06:40pm

re: #600 Floral Giraffe

LOL.
They don’t know how I can kick!

They know enough about not to wear stuff with a lion on it. Giraffes can kick a lion’s head clean off. It’s true.

610 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:06:51pm

re: #599 McSpiff

I caught Alice Cooper’s cane at a concert! A very large man took it from me shortly after…

punk… you had a cane and you let someone take it from you? Pussy, pussy, pussy. What else can I say?

611 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:07:01pm

re: #583 WindUpBird

Presented without comment

[Link: juggalofetish.blogspot.com…]

Have you ever encountered Moondog? He might be the only point where our music touches.

en.wikipedia.org

612 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:07:24pm

re: #607 EdDantes

Indeed, it be.

yo a badd motha fucka!

613 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:08:53pm

re: #612 brookly red

yo a badd motha fucka!

Shut yo mouth!

614 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:09:48pm

re: #610 brookly red

punk… you had a cane and you let someone take it from you? Pussy, pussy, pussy. What else can I say?

Laugh I’ve honestly never thought of it that way. I was a fresh out of highschool dough boy at that point. Small private school and everything. Violence had never entered my world.

Need to take that first punch before you realize it ain’t that bad.

615 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:09:58pm

re: #611 Decatur Deb

Have you ever encountered Moondog? He might be the only point where our music touches.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

He could be found on the streets of New York wearing clothes he had created based on his own interpretation of the Norse god Thor. Because of his unconventional outfits, he was known for much of his life as “The Viking of 6th Avenue”.[1]


O_O Never heard of him! Found this, it is completely awesome:

Yeah I’m going to investigate further. :D

616 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:10:27pm

re: #611 Decatur Deb

though honestly, if you like ANY classic rock at all, you probably have something in common with me ;-)

617 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:10:46pm

re: #613 EdDantes

Shut yo mouth!

/I loved it when you threw dat bitch out da window!

618 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:12:07pm

re: #615 WindUpBird

O_O Never heard of him! Found this, it is completely awesome:


[Video]Yeah I’m going to investigate further. :D

For a couple years, I used to pass him on the street every day. When he was picked up for “Grand Raggedness and Attempt to Go Naked”, Stravinsky and Bernstein offered character witness.

619 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:12:18pm

re: #610 brookly red

punk… you had a cane and you let someone take it from you? Pussy, pussy, pussy. What else can I say?

When you’re 120 pounds facing down a guy who’s 300 and got the hillbilly muscle behind the fat, you could have fifty canes, won’t make a difference ;-)

620 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:12:33pm

re: #618 Decatur Deb

For a couple years, I used to pass him on the street every day. When he was picked up for “Grand Raggedness and Attempt to Go Naked”, Stravinsky and Bernstein offered character witness.

AWESOME

621 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:12:57pm

re: #614 McSpiff

OK I can dig it. I grew up on da Bronx line… we learned to kill early, no regrets.

622 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:13:08pm

re: #616 WindUpBird

though honestly, if you like ANY classic rock at all, you probably have something in common with me ;-)

what?
The Bomber

623 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:13:39pm

re: #618 Decatur Deb

“Grand raggedness”

624 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:15:10pm

re: #622 albusteve

I am dimly aware of James Gang, this is great stuff :D Groove at 1:25ish is awesome

625 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:16:58pm

I dig a good bolerore: #624 WindUpBird

I am dimly aware of James Gang, this is great stuff :D Groove at 1:25ish is awesome

their grand magnum opus….lots of echoplex

626 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:17:23pm

re: #619 WindUpBird

When you’re 120 pounds facing down a guy who’s 300 and got the hillbilly muscle behind the fat, you could have fifty canes, won’t make a difference ;-)

grasshopper, the Budda tells us we can not breath wood. it is unfortunate you lack in faith.

627 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:20:28pm

Topic changes to music and brawling, we’re all friends. Groovy.

628 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:21:39pm

re: #611 Decatur Deb

Have you ever encountered Moondog? He might be the only point where our music touches.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

moondog! i used to hear about him when i was a kid in manhattan, before he got famous!

629 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:22:14pm

re: #616 WindUpBird

though honestly, if you like ANY classic rock at all, you probably have something in common with me ;-)

Classic rock ended by 1961.

630 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:22:42pm

re: #627 McSpiff

Topic changes to music and brawling, we’re all friends. Groovy.

I hate talking about music :)

631 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:23:51pm

re: #628 engineer dog

moondog! i used to hear about him when i was a kid in manhattan, before he got famous!

There are still some egghead jazz groups doing his stuff.

632 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:24:04pm

re: #627 McSpiff

Topic changes to music and brawling, we’re all friends. Groovy.

ahh…the memories
more cowbell!

633 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:24:45pm

re: #629 Decatur Deb

Classic rock ended by 1961.

so did your brain

634 William of Orange  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:24:57pm

How time has passed…..

25 years ago, Space Shuttle Challenger launched for it’s 10th and last mission. It never reached space. Rest in peace, crew of flight STS-51-L.

Challenger Memorial at Arlington cemetery.

635 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:25:45pm

re: #619 WindUpBird

When you’re 120 pounds facing down a guy who’s 300 and got the hillbilly muscle behind the fat, you could have fifty canes, won’t make a difference ;-)

I did that once in high school. I was only 120 lbs too, as a matter of fact. He was a good 6” taller and at least 270 lbs. I got tired of his verbal abuse so I punched him in the stomach. My punch went into my wrist and bounced right back out. He just stood there looking down at me. I backed away. I still don’t know how much that punch hurt him, but I didn’t get stomped and he was always respectful after that.

636 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:26:29pm

Music calms the savage beast. — Bugs Bunny

637 Ericus58  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:26:38pm

Jane Espenson: Writer, sci-fi thriller, one nerdy lady

cnn.com

“Writer or co-executive producer of some of the biggest cult science-fiction shows of the past decade…..”

Fun article.

638 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:26:47pm

Evening Lizards.

Reine, I got a non deliverable E-mail message from my ISP concerning the the E-Mail I sent you using the E-Mail Addy from your Cookbook Site. My nick is Blue.

639 rwmofo  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:27:10pm

Happy Birthday Sarah McLachlan.

What a mega-talented chick - and an absolutely beautiful woman.

May as well link to that song.

640 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:27:12pm

… and I never resorted to violence ever again.

642 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:29:08pm

re: #633 albusteve

so did your brain

hey…amigo…I was only kidding about your brain!

643 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:30:41pm

Any big updates from Egypt? Seems like CNN is just doing summaries.

644 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:31:50pm

re: #635 mracb

I did that once in high school. I was only 120 lbs too, as a matter of fact. He was a good 6” taller and at least 270 lbs. I got tired of his verbal abuse so I punched him in the stomach. My punch went into my wrist and bounced right back out. He just stood there looking down at me. I backed away. I still don’t know how much that punch hurt him, but I didn’t get stomped and he was always respectful after that.

You officially became “trouble” at least :D

645 EdDantes  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:32:54pm

Good night everyone. I hope things work out well for Egypt and the Middle east.

646 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:33:14pm

re: #643 McSpiff

Any big updates from Egypt? Seems like CNN is just doing summaries.

time out

647 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:33:22pm

re: #629 Decatur Deb

Classic rock ended by 1961.


Whatever you call heavy stuff from the 60’s with lots of guitars, I like it

648 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:33:30pm

re: #634 William of Orange

How time has passed…

25 years ago, Space Shuttle Challenger launched for it’s 10th and last mission. It never reached space. Rest in peace, crew of flight STS-51-L.

Challenger Memorial at Arlington cemetery.

I posted this a little while back but since it’s still today, here’s my thoughts about the Challenger begun the day after.

littlegreenfootballs.com

649 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:33:35pm
650 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:34:44pm

re: #647 WindUpBird

Whatever you call heavy stuff from the 60’s with lots of guitars, I like it

I’ll dig up some Duane Eddy—greatest “one note at a time” guitarist. Here’s a line from a Moondog poem just for you:

“I find the greatest freedom in the stricture of a form
that paradoxes abnormality within a norm”

651 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:35:44pm

re: #646 albusteve

time out

[Video]

You right.

652 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:37:42pm

Duane Eddy—Rebel Rouser—somehow appropriate today:

653 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:37:45pm

re: #647 WindUpBird

Whatever you call heavy stuff from the 60’s with lots of guitars, I like it

I love the pre zep Zep….just fucking awesome

654 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:40:10pm

re: #650 Decatur Deb

Duane Eddy?

655 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:40:20pm

re: #653 albusteve

I love the pre zep Zep…just fucking awesome

[Video]

When I think pre zep Zep (yeah yeah just Page, I know)…

656 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:42:17pm

John Bonham, the most influential drummer of our time…just as an aside

657 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:42:35pm

re: #654 lawhawk

Duane Eddy?


[Video]

Great. I almost picked that one. There’s a liner notes claim that he has been on more copies of vinyl than anyone, as a sideman mostly.

658 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:43:51pm

re: #656 albusteve

More so than Gene Krupa? More than Neil Peart? Carl Palmer? Hmmmm…..

659 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:43:55pm

re: #650 Decatur Deb

I’ll dig up some Duane Eddy—greatest “one note at a time” guitarist. Here’s a line from a Moondog poem just for you:

“I find the greatest freedom in the stricture of a form
that paradoxes abnormality within a norm”

I know Duane Eddy, theme from Peter Gunn!

660 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:44:24pm

re: #658 lawhawk

More so than Gene Krupa? More than Neil Peart? Carl Palmer? Hmmm…

As a total nerd prog rock drummer, I agree with albusteve, Bonham is bigger than Peart for influence

661 freetoken  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:44:42pm

BTW, the whole Limbaugh spiel on Lalanne was just another one of his attacks on science, or more specifically, that he (Limbaugh) is the right arbiter of what is good science or not.

Limbaugh also claimed that Lalanne was a vegetarian, which is wrong. Lalanne was not a strict vegetarian at all, though his comments did include ideas on limiting meat products in his diet.

It’s all so stupid, but it is what to expect from Limbaugh and his fans.

662 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:45:00pm

re: #658 lawhawk

More so than Gene Krupa? More than Neil Peart? Carl Palmer? Hmmm…

I will say Danny Carey is influencing an entire new generation of nerdy prog drummers :D

663 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:45:29pm

re: #656 albusteve

John Bonham, the most influential drummer of our time…just as an aside

[Video]

I’d say most influential rock drummer, but yeah, he’s mighty

664 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:45:41pm

re: #655 McSpiff

When I think pre zep Zep (yeah yeah just Page, I know)…


[Video]

re: #655 McSpiff

When I think pre zep Zep (yeah yeah just Page, I know)…


[Video]

you might say they were a bit ahead of their time

665 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:46:26pm

re: #658 lawhawk

More so than Gene Krupa? More than Neil Peart? Carl Palmer? Hmmm…

yes, definitely

666 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:47:59pm

re: #665 albusteve

I always wondered what you’d think of Clutch:

They’re sort of “out of time”, a younger band that has a timeless blues/havey rock sound

667 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:48:13pm

re: #666 WindUpBird

HAVEY? heavy XD

668 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:48:27pm

re: #664 albusteve

re: #655 McSpiff

you might say they were a bit ahead of their time

I’m a huge Clapton fan… I put up with way too much crap from a girl just because she was a fan… crazy as hell, but damn didn’t she have better taste in music than me.

669 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:49:09pm

Sandy Nelson, primitive rock drumming (with some neat ancient footage).

670 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:49:37pm

re: #668 McSpiff

I’m a huge Clapton fan… I put up with way too much crap from a girl just because she was a fan… crazy as hell, but damn didn’t she have better taste in music than me.

I consider my overall taste in music to be essentially autistic in nature, too single-minded and strange to really make sense to anyone but me :D

671 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:50:33pm

Is his wallet leather? Is his wallet fat?
For not a year later it’s got you lying on your back
You should have closed your windows and got another dog
You should have chained up all the doors and switched up all the locks

672 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:51:13pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I consider my overall taste in music to be essentially autistic in nature, too single-minded and strange to really make sense to anyone but me :D

Then you really want to read up on Moondog, especially the writings. He was autistic before it was cool.

673 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:52:16pm

re: #672 Decatur Deb

Then you really want to read up on Moondog, especially the writings. He was autistic before it was cool.

hah :D

Yeah I am clicking around the net looking at his works, the guy had a vision!

Helps that I sorta have a giant German-taste streak running down my entire record collection

674 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:53:46pm

re: #666 WindUpBird

I always wondered what you’d think of Clutch:


[Video]They’re sort of “out of time”, a younger band that has a timeless blues/havey rock sound

I like the music, the vocals have that heavy quality I’m not real hip to…smash mouth tho

675 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:55:21pm

re: #673 WindUpBird

hah :D

Yeah I am clicking around the net looking at his works, the guy had a vision!

Helps that I sorta have a giant German-taste streak running down my entire record collection

Then he’d have two visions if it weren’t for that dynamite cap.

676 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:55:34pm

re: #658 lawhawk

More so than Gene Krupa? More than Neil Peart? Carl Palmer? Hmmm…

Krupa was the man.

677 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:55:39pm

Sadly, I don’t really know enough about music to take part in this discussion.

678 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:57:09pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I don’t really know enough about music to take part in this discussion.

Just throw a youtube video out there, its fun

679 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:57:11pm

re: #668 McSpiff

I’m a huge Clapton fan… I put up with way too much crap from a girl just because she was a fan… crazy as hell, but damn didn’t she have better taste in music than me.

yeah, Clapton is just Clapton….I don’t remember him not in my life…I really appreciate his return to the blues the last 20 years…that pop shit was awful…check this out

680 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:57:12pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I don’t really know enough about music to take part in this discussion.

You don’t have to know anything, you just need an opinion.

—Motto of the Internet

681 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:57:44pm

Drum Battle
Gene Krupa - Buddy Rich

Drum Battle
Gene Krupa - Louie Bellson

682 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:58:07pm

re: #670 WindUpBird

I consider my overall taste in music to be essentially autistic in nature, too single-minded and strange to really make sense to anyone but me :D

I had never even met anyone else who had heard Piper at the Gates of Dawn before… stole my heart with that little mouse Gerald…

683 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:58:12pm

re: #676 Gus 802

Krupa was the man.


[Video]

Gene Krupa vs Lionel Hampton vs Chico Hamilton

Baby can you dig it. I knew that you could.

684 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:58:41pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I don’t really know enough about music to take part in this discussion.

Just make notes, DF, & grab what you find when you find it.

Myself, I’d tell you to go find a copy of New Day Rising by Husker Du but anything mentioned here tonight is at least good & more than a little is great.

685 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:59:18pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I don’t really know enough about music to take part in this discussion.

Hell, most of what I like was when I was both a wet spot on the bed and making a wet spot on the bed.

686 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 7:59:57pm

re: #674 albusteve

I like the music, the vocals have that heavy quality I’m not real hip to…smash mouth tho

Cool! They have mellowed since then, Fallon doesn’t shout as much. MAN their rhythm section is genius

687 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:00:09pm

re: #679 albusteve

yeah, Clapton is just Clapton…I don’t remember him not in my life…I really appreciate his return to the blues the last 20 years…that pop shit was awful…check this out

[Video]

Classic. Real artist

688 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:00:19pm

re: #683 marjoriemoon

Gene Krupa vs Lionel Hampton vs Chico Hamilton

[Video]Baby can you dig it. I knew that you could.

Gene Krupa was always going crazy. :)

689 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:01:03pm

re: #682 McSpiff

I had never even met anyone else who had heard Piper at the Gates of Dawn before… stole my heart with that little mouse Gerald…

690 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:01:31pm

re: #682 McSpiff

I had never even met anyone else who had heard Piper at the Gates of Dawn before… stole my heart with that little mouse Gerald…

I am a gigantic dork for all Floyd :D Floyd + Sabbath is really the twin turbo that drives most all of what I listen to ;-)

691 BryanS  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:01:49pm
692 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:02:26pm

re: #679 albusteve

I am a fan of him the most when he is at his noisiest *_*

693 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:02:31pm

re: #687 McSpiff

Classic. Real artist


he’s a far better player that an any other time in his career….he taught himself to fingerpick very late in life

694 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:03:39pm

re: #676 Gus 802

Krupa was the man.


[Video]

I’ll see your Krupa and raise you a Cobham.

695 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:04:07pm

re: #692 WindUpBird

I am a fan of him the most when he is at his noisiest *_*

Eric shreds the blues

696 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:04:18pm

re: #694 negativ

I’ll see your Krupa and raise you a Cobham.

[Video]

Stop it! I was just about to post him. ;)

Stratus

697 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:04:20pm

re: #691 BryanS

That’s American-made armor.

698 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:04:43pm

Drummers beware of Brann Dailor


Because he may in fact be in between multiple dimensions

699 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:04:57pm

re: #680 Decatur Deb

You don’t have to know anything, you just need an opinion.

—Motto of the Internet

Yeah, but this is LGF and WUB and Albusteve are around. If you make a statement about music and are dead wrong, you’ll be PWNed without mercy.

700 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:05:58pm

re: #695 albusteve

aggh his dynamics are so good, it’s like water

701 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:06:02pm

re: #699 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but this is LGF and WUB and Albusteve are around. If you make a statement about music and are dead wrong, you’ll be PWNed without mercy.

That’s why I stay in the Pleistocene where I belong.

702 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:06:07pm

Red Mask
Tony Williams

703 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:07:36pm

re: #699 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but this is LGF and WUB and Albusteve are around. If you make a statement about music and are dead wrong, you’ll be PWNed without mercy.

I merely argue for the side of my weird little corner of strange heavy music, there really are no wrong opinions about music

(albusteve’s Clapton link is really quite something o_o )

704 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:09:03pm

re: #699 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but this is LGF and WUB and Albusteve are around. If you make a statement about music and are dead wrong, you’ll be PWNed without mercy.

Also, I’ll say I think negativ knows way more about music than I do :D

705 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:09:55pm

re: #699 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but this is LGF and WUB and Albusteve are around. If you make a statement about music and are dead wrong, you’ll be PWNed without mercy.

I just post…I dig the blues, like this

706 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:10:06pm

Ringo Starr
I’m Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry Over You

;)

707 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:10:49pm

re: #697 Decatur Deb

That’s American-made armor.

Indeed. That’s an M113 Armored Personnel Carrier. First put into production in the late 1950’s by the Food Machinery Corporation of San Jose, CA, whose defense business subsequently became United Defense and was bought out in 2009 by BAE. BAE still produces the M113 and the US still buys them. Israel is also a major user, as are Iraq, and Jordan.

708 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:11:34pm

re: #707 Dark_Falcon

Now armored vehicles, those I know about.

709 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:12:52pm

re: #699 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but this is LGF and WUB and Albusteve are around. If you make a statement about music and are dead wrong, you’ll be PWNed without mercy.

Dude, we’re talking about music. It makes no sense at all…

710 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:13:09pm

re: #706 Gus 802

Ringo Starr
I’m Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry Over You


[Video];)

Ringo rules. It’s a rare skill to ride the coat tails of genius and not get full of yourself. It’s a very rare skill and ultimate slack.

711 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:13:29pm

re: #703 WindUpBird

I merely argue for the side of my weird little corner of strange heavy music, there really are no wrong opinions about music

(albusteve’s Clapton link is really quite something o_o )

loose and having fun….
Clapton has never been better than these BBC gigs

712 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:13:43pm

re: #689 McSpiff

Speaking of a band with a wide array of music. Piper was the first album, no?

I got into them with Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, but by the time they got to The Wall, it was too weird for me.

I saw them at the 80’s at the Orange Bowl. This tour. They had a little of everything. Some of The Wall movie, the pink pig and a body rigged on a stretcher from the top of the stadium that whooshed down towards the stage. Right above us actually. That was pretty groovy.

713 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:14:41pm

re: #711 albusteve

thanks for showing me this, I’m loving it

714 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:14:47pm

The little known side of Charlie Watts…

Stomping at the Savoy
Live Fulham Town Hall
The Charlie Watts Orchestra

715 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:15:27pm

re: #712 marjoriemoon

Lucky, huge pink floyd fan. Which as you say, means you need to be able “this sucks!” with some albums ;-)

716 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:15:40pm

re: #712 marjoriemoon

The Wall (and Momentary Lapse, ahem, I like it, I know it’s not really a PF record) was what got me into Floyd :D But then of course I found I liked all of it

717 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:15:44pm

re: #710 Killgore Trout

Ringo rules. It’s a rare skill to ride the coat tails of genius and not get full of yourself. It’s a very rare skill and ultimate slack.

Yeah. Ringo’s been very cool through the years. From then until now. He also literally “hits the right notes” for the music he’s played.

718 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:15:56pm

re: #710 Killgore Trout

Ringo rules. It’s a rare skill to ride the coat tails of genius and not get full of yourself. It’s a very rare skill and ultimate slack.

yeah…so true, and a fine drummer, simple and to the point

719 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:16:01pm

re: #715 McSpiff

Lucky, huge pink floyd fan. Which as you say, means you need to be able “this sucks!” with some albums ;-)

I defend Momentary Lapse, even though it sorta sucks :D

720 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:16:21pm

re: #711 albusteve

loose and having fun…
Clapton has never been better than these BBC gigs

[Video]

Anyone For Tennis?

721 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:16:51pm

re: #719 WindUpBird

I defend Momentary Lapse, even though it sorta sucks :D

Atom Heart Mother?

722 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:17:14pm

(sorry if I seem short, posting while on the phone)

723 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:17:25pm

re: #712 marjoriemoon

I saw them on the Division Bell tour, which was after Momentary Lapse, but I had the VHS cassette of the Momentary Lapse tour and just wore it out watching it so much *_*

724 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:17:49pm

re: #721 McSpiff

Atom Heart Mother?

The record is stiff, but “Fat Old Sun” live circa 1971 in amazing!

725 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:18:41pm

re: #721 McSpiff

Atom Heart Mother?

Never really grabbed me :D

726 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:18:47pm

re: #715 McSpiff

Lucky, huge pink floyd fan. Which as you say, means you need to be able “this sucks!” with some albums ;-)

I was a big fan at the time of those 70’s albums. They were hot. Pink Floyd kept reinventing themselves, which is an awesome thing. Staying fresh and new. I just didn’t go there hehe

I always thought Godsmack was a bit like that, daring to try different stuff.

727 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:19:12pm

re: #709 wlewisiii

Dude, we’re talking about music. It makes no sense at all…


[Video]

Here goes nothing:

728 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:19:53pm

re: #726 marjoriemoon

I was a big fan at the time of those 70’s albums. They were hot. Pink Floyd kept reinventing themselves, which is an awesome thing. Staying fresh and new. I just didn’t go there hehe

I always thought Godsmack was a bit like that, daring to try different stuff.

A lot of the 70’s vibe of experimental rock music, it’s coming back, new bands doing strange things and finding a real audience for it

729 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:20:08pm

re: #716 WindUpBird

The Wall (and Momentary Lapse, ahem, I like it, I know it’s not really a PF record) was what got me into Floyd :D But then of course I found I liked all of it

So maybe our paths do cross—I got two of my kids to the Venice concert. Bullshit Italian press said we sunk the city another centimeter into the lagoon.

730 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:20:12pm

re: #716 WindUpBird

The Wall (and Momentary Lapse, ahem, I like it, I know it’s not really a PF record) was what got me into Floyd :D But then of course I found I liked all of it

I was a huge Tull fan. My best g/fs brother and his friends played air flute in our
“basement bar,” danced around on one leg lol

731 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:20:34pm

OK since we’re on a music kick I’ll post one of my favorite bands from the 70s. I didn’t even know it was punk. Patti Smith Group. This one is Gloria.

732 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:20:38pm

re: #719 WindUpBird

I defend Momentary Lapse, even though it sorta sucks :D

Oh it doesn’t suck at all!

733 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:20:54pm

re: #727 Dark_Falcon

I never really got into Green Day until American idiot came out (I was much more of a metal/prog purist and Dookie irritated me) but that American Idiot record was so good it just forced me to become a fan

734 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:21:24pm

re: #729 Decatur Deb

So maybe our paths do cross—I got two of my kids to the Venice concert. Bullshit Italian press said we sunk the city another centimeter into the lagoon.

oh that’s awesome :D

yes, big fan of Floyd, BIG BIG fan :D

735 McSpiff  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:21:37pm

re: #727 Dark_Falcon

Green day? Right on! You had me worried, thought it might be country!

(No disrespect to any country fans :D)

736 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:21:45pm

re: #708 Dark_Falcon

Now armored vehicles, those I know about.

I appreciate your knowledge of history and warfare more than you know…I have learned a lot from you…it’s just when I look over at my bookcase, it’s filled with history about music, especially the blues….there is a large pool of here at LGF

737 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:22:39pm

re: #677 Dark_Falcon

Sadly, I don’t really know enough about music to take part in this discussion.

Fun fact:
When Igor Stravinsky premiered his ballet, “The Rite of Spring” in Paris in 1913, chaos ensued. The audience rioted, police were involved, blood was shed. A few years down the road, Disney used it in “Fantasia”. Later still, John Williams stole almost all of it for the score to the original Star Wars movie (that and Gustav Holst’s “The Planets”).

Music is an interesting topic. You should check it out!

738 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:23:08pm
739 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:23:47pm

re: #727 Dark_Falcon

Here goes nothing:


[Video]

ALL RIGHT, DUDE! Good one that says much to many in many different ways.

740 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:23:56pm

re: #732 marjoriemoon

Oh it doesn’t suck at all!

haha okay maybe it doesn’t SUCK, I’m being mean, but it sounds a bit one-dimensional compared to the tightly coiled rage that Waters brought to the band. I like Dave Gilmour a LOT, but I consider ML to be a Dave Gilmour record more than a Floyd record. It is a GREAT Dave Gilmour record. Sorrow is still one of my favorite songs of all time :D

I’m all conflicted, basically ^_^

741 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:24:22pm

re: #733 WindUpBird

I never really got into Green Day until American idiot came out (I was much more of a metal/prog purist and Dookie irritated me) but that American Idiot record was so good it just forced me to become a fan

I can understand why:

I don’t like the politics of that song, but you can’t deny its a good song.

742 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:25:02pm

re: #737 negativ

Fun fact:
When Igor Stravinsky premiered his ballet, “The Rite of Spring” in Paris in 1913, chaos ensued. The audience rioted, police were involved, blood was shed. A few years down the road, Disney used it in “Fantasia”. Later still, John Williams stole almost all of it for the score to the original Star Wars movie (that and Gustav Holst’s “The Planets”).

Music is an interesting topic. You should check it out!

One of the greatest music riots in history.

743 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:25:09pm

re: #735 McSpiff

Green day? Right on! You had me worried, thought it might be country!

(No disrespect to any country fans :D)

Some people call this country:


I’m more inclined to just call it awesome and terrifying

744 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:25:11pm
745 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:25:21pm

re: #727 Dark_Falcon

Here goes nothing:


[Video]

Man, that’s lame shit.

746 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:26:17pm

re: #736 albusteve

I appreciate your knowledge of history and warfare more than you know…I have learned a lot from you…it’s just when I look over at my bookcase, it’s filled with history about music, especially the blues…there is a large pool of here at LGF

Thanks. I’ve learned a great deal from you as well. Thanks for being there, Steve.

747 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:26:38pm

re: #741 Dark_Falcon

Holiday and Boulevard are the songs I was thinking of, yeah

Holiday is less about politics, I think, and more about writing from the position of a pissed off liberal kid about politics, it’s sorta intentionally a slightly childish anthem for that effect

748 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:26:58pm

re: #733 WindUpBird

I never really got into Green Day until American idiot came out (I was much more of a metal/prog purist and Dookie irritated me) but that American Idiot record was so good it just forced me to become a fan

I agree. Jesus of Suburbia made me buy a new album for the first time in over a decade.

749 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:27:24pm

re: #720 Killgore Trout

Anyone For Tennis?

[Video]

those guys were so innovative…unreal talent
back to their roots…reunion tour 2005

750 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:27:50pm

re: #731 mracb

OK since we’re on a music kick I’ll post one of my favorite bands from the 70s. I didn’t even know it was punk. Patti Smith Group. This one is Gloria.


[Video]

She was on Colbert recently (or was it Stewart?) She won a National Book Award for her memoirs.

751 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:28:49pm

re: #745 Decatur Deb

Man, that’s lame shit.

careful, I’ll have to unleash the full might of Oregon on you


The guy who made this is an adorable nerd with twins

Which makes it even scarier :D

752 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:29:16pm

Bill Bruford

753 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:29:23pm

re: #749 albusteve

I LOVE CREAM

754 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:29:23pm

re: #749 albusteve

those guys were so innovative…unreal talent
back to their roots…reunion tour 2005

[Video]

They couldn’t get Steve Windwood to show up? What else does he have to do?

755 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:30:17pm

re: #740 WindUpBird

haha okay maybe it doesn’t SUCK, I’m being mean, but it sounds a bit one-dimensional compared to the tightly coiled rage that Waters brought to the band. I like Dave Gilmour a LOT, but I consider ML to be a Dave Gilmour record more than a Floyd record. It is a GREAT Dave Gilmour record. Sorrow is still one of my favorite songs of all time :D

I’m all conflicted, basically ^_^

the ultimate Floyd…
Gilmour rips his solos

756 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:30:21pm

re: #748 wlewisiii

I agree. Jesus of Suburbia made me buy a new album for the first time in over a decade.

I’m always buying new music, but again, I have the sort of autistic crazy-guy focus on extreme music, where there’s just like 40 bands I like making crazy stuff that I obsessively follow

757 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:30:34pm

re: #750 marjoriemoon

She was on Colbert recently (or was it Stewart?) She won a National Book Award for her memoirs.

That book, Just Kids, is exquisite. Short, beautiful and cuts like a razor. If anyone here is looking for a book to read, get it.

I read lots. History, techie, SF, etc. That was x1000 the best book I read in the last year. No question.

758 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:30:47pm

re: #751 WindUpBird

careful, I’ll have to unleash the full might of Oregon on you


[Video]
The guy who made this is an adorable nerd with twins

Which makes it even scarier :D

Just yanking DF’s chain. And that’s monster movie music.

759 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:30:48pm

re: #755 albusteve

Oh yeah I saw this *_*

Confortably Numb is my favorite rock guitar solo of all time

760 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:31:03pm

re: #758 Decatur Deb

Just yanking DF’s chain. And that’s monster movie music.

It is! :D

We’re all made of moss here ;-)

761 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:31:44pm

It’s hard to play to all this good music and keep up with the thread. I have to skip so many clips. :(

762 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:32:31pm

re: #758 Decatur Deb

Just yanking DF’s chain. And that’s monster movie music.

imagine that there are people across the world, in like Denmark and Iceland and Norway, that are OBSESSED with this weird Oregon dad and his bizarre little three piece band that my friends know, because he’s just local Eugene guy

it all just makes me happy :D

763 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:32:42pm

re: #740 WindUpBird

haha okay maybe it doesn’t SUCK, I’m being mean, but it sounds a bit one-dimensional compared to the tightly coiled rage that Waters brought to the band. I like Dave Gilmour a LOT, but I consider ML to be a Dave Gilmour record more than a Floyd record. It is a GREAT Dave Gilmour record. Sorrow is still one of my favorite songs of all time :D

I’m all conflicted, basically ^_^

I imagine they need to make some tunes that will sell to the masses. ML was probably that. Still a great tune, but one that would make the charts. (I’m assuming it did.)

764 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:32:45pm

re: #761 mracb

It’s hard to play to all this good music and keep up with the thread. I have to skip so many clips. :(

mine tend to be the less listenable clips :D

765 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:33:39pm

re: #763 marjoriemoon

I imagine they need to make some tunes that will sell to the masses. ML was probably that. Still a great tune, but one that would make the charts. (I’m assuming it did.)

And Division Bell was sorta Gilmour trying to reverse-engineer Wish You Were Here :D

I do What Do You Want From Me at karaoke, nobody ever knows it ;_;

766 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:34:57pm

There’s at least an hour of good music back there. Everybody quit posting for an hour so I don’t miss anything!

767 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:35:02pm

re: #754 Killgore Trout

They couldn’t get Steve Windwood to show up? What else does he have to do?

Winwood and Clapton have played together a bunch of times through the years

covering Traffic here

768 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:35:24pm

re: #747 WindUpBird

Holiday and Boulevard are the songs I was thinking of, yeah

Holiday is less about politics, I think, and more about writing from the position of a pissed off liberal kid about politics, it’s sorta intentionally a slightly childish anthem for that effect

And here’s a Green Day song I’ve used when trolls get the boot:

769 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:35:29pm

Mahavishnu Orchestra - Lila’s Dance

John McLaughlin (guitars)
Jean-Luc Ponty (violin)
Gayle Moran (keyboards)
Ralphe Armstrong (bass)
Narada Michael Walden (percussion)

770 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:35:41pm

re: #759 WindUpBird

Oh yeah I saw this *_*

Confortably Numb is my favorite rock guitar solo of all time

“On the Turning Away” actually helped me change my life (a little). Vince Gauraldi’s “Cast Your Fate to the Winds” turned it 90 degrees. Then he decided to do Charlie Brown Specials.

771 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:36:13pm

re: #767 albusteve

Winwood and Clapton have played together a bunch of times through the years


[Video]covering Traffic here

Ah, I got sidetracked into Cream

772 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:38:08pm

Take Up Thy Stethoscope And Walk

773 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:38:15pm

re: #771 Killgore Trout

Ah, I got sidetracked into Cream

yeah, that’s a long deep path

774 Lidane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:38:53pm

Hopefully, this will show up properly. My Egyptian classmate is now using this as her FB picture, and I think it’s really cool:

i.imgur.com

If that image doesn’t work for some reason, there’s a Reddit of it here:

reddit.com

775 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:39:34pm

In Egypt there will probably be a power vacuum & let us hope that bad forces do not establish themselves therein.


Good night.

776 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:39:44pm

re: #774 Lidane

Hopefully, this will show up properly. My Egyptian classmate is now using this as her FB picture, and I think it’s really cool:

[Link: i.imgur.com…]

If that image doesn’t work for some reason, there’s a Reddit of it here:

[Link: www.reddit.com…]

Damn cool.

777 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:39:57pm

I saw the Pink Floyd - Division Bell tour in Oakland. There is nothing to compare to a Floyd concert.

778 Lidane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:40:00pm

re: #748 wlewisiii

I agree. Jesus of Suburbia made me buy a new album for the first time in over a decade.

I’ve actually got that song playing now. All this talk of Green Day made me go and put on American Idiot. This is such a great album.

779 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:40:25pm

Steve Winwood…covers Spencer Davis Group…
the largest band ever…looks like it anyway….HUGE!

780 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:40:44pm
781 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:41:19pm

Wow, this is real. Is it?
“Astronomy Domine” live, very,very rare!


…..or is that Peter Sellers doing the intro?
782 Lidane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:41:58pm

re: #777 mracb

I saw the Pink Floyd - Division Bell tour in Oakland. There is nothing to compare to a Floyd concert.

I saw that tour. They actually played in Houston on my 21st birthday. I spent that entire day drinking legally (for a change), then spent that night getting my Floyd on. One of my favorite birthday memories ever.

783 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:43:55pm

“King Kong”
The Mothers of Invention, 1968

784 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:44:17pm

re: #753 WindUpBird

I LOVE CREAM

That’s what she said.

785 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:44:34pm
786 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:45:17pm

Now for a little change up,

787 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:45:46pm

re: #778 Lidane

I’ve actually got that song playing now. All this talk of Green Day made me go and put on American Idiot. This is such a great album.

Every once in a while, someone puts out a album full of good music that becomes a ‘mega-hit’ because it really is just that good. American Idiot was such an album. Green Day really hit the ball 9 miles high that time.

788 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:46:25pm

re: #782 Lidane

I saw that tour. They actually played in Houston on my 21st birthday. I spent that entire day drinking legally (for a change), then spent that night getting my Floyd on. One of my favorite birthday memories ever.

I never saw Pink Floyd…I didn’t do big arenas as a rule, but as the years went by I realize I should have…I had plenty of chances but just was not into their stuff at the time…old age had led me to appreciate them

789 Ojoe  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:47:29pm

Man tosses caber.

790 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:48:34pm

re: #685 Bubblehead II

Hell, most of what I like was when I was both a wet spot on the bed and making a wet spot on the bed.

And not let us forget the classics.

And the opposite side of the coin.

791 albusteve  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:50:37pm

I will punch out with this furious cover of SDG by Chicago….I met Terry Kath, the guitarist…a huge thing for me way back then….he could flat out rock, smoking hot on his SG…Hendrix wanted to be as good of a player as Kath, but then Jimmy was a very humble cat…Chicago peaking

792 Lidane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:51:10pm

So how soon before the Harpy rants incoherently about this?

Jon Stewart Named to 9/11 Memorial and Museum board of directors

794 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:51:57pm

One of the most visually awesome concerts I’d ever been to was Robert Palmer after he went solo from The Power Station (if you remember them). “Addicted to Love?” Robert was a graphic designer before he began singing and designed all his sets. They were nothing short of spectacular. The colors, drapery, amazing stuff. I saw him in 1988 but can’t find much about it on the net.

795 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:54:00pm

re: #794 marjoriemoon

One of the most visually awesome concerts I’d ever been to was Robert Palmer after he went solo from The Power Station (if you remember them). “Addicted to Love?” Robert was a graphic designer before he began singing and designed all his sets. They were nothing short of spectacular. The colors, drapery, amazing stuff. I saw him in 1988 but can’t find much about it on the net.

Oh and this

796 Lidane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:54:01pm

re: #788 albusteve

I’m not big on stadium shows, but there were only two things that mattered— it was Pink Floyd, and it was my 21st birthday. I couldn’t think of a better way to celebrate, so I went. :D

797 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:54:16pm

re: #792 Lidane

So how soon before the Harpy rants incoherently about this?

Jon Stewart Named to 9/11 Memorial and Museum board of directors

She’ll start shrieking in Eleventy seconds. :D

798 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:54:17pm

re: #743 WindUpBird

Some people call this country:


[Video]
I’m more inclined to just call it awesome and terrifying

My favorite take on suprising country of late, Glen Campbell covers the Foo Fighters:

799 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:57:18pm

Strange day—‘Nite, all.

800 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 8:59:03pm

re: #799 Decatur Deb

Strange day—‘Nite, all.

801 freetoken  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:01:09pm

Looking at some news feeds/collectors, it appears to me as if the Egyptian “revolution” has not caught as much interest in the general English speaking ‘net as I would have originally thought.

802 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:02:06pm
803 tradewind  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:04:23pm

re: #751 WindUpBird

careful, I’ll have to unleash the full might of Oregon on you


Yeah, no. Portlandia puts any question of might out of the picture.//

804 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:06:19pm
805 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:07:31pm

re: #792 Lidane

So how soon before the Harpy rants incoherently about this?

Jon Stewart Named to 9/11 Memorial and Museum board of directors

you don’t have to wait for her…. I, as a New Yorker, find it offensive…

806 What, me worry?  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:10:32pm

re: #805 brookly red

you don’t have to wait for her… I, as a New Yorker, find it offensive…

Here’s the whole board.

national911memorial.org

Billy Crystal’s on there.

807 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:12:52pm

re: #805 brookly red

you don’t have to wait for her… I, as a New Yorker, find it offensive…

Mind if I ask why?

808 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:16:09pm

re: #807 EmmmieG

Mind if I ask why?

No problem, I don’t feel it is the proper spot for a comedian. Just my opinion,

809 HypnoToad  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:16:27pm

re: #782 Lidane

I
saw that tour. They actually played in Houston on my 21st birthday. I
spent that entire day drinking legally (for a change), then spent that
night getting my Floyd on. One of my favorite birthday memories ever.

The Division Bell tour at the Rose Bowl was the only rock concert that I ever saw. Awesome beyond words. I was near the left side of the stage up front on the field. My ears rang for two days afterwards. A JPL buddy later said that he was listening from the patio of his home, and it was a comfortable sound level. He was over two miles away.

810 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:16:49pm

I often wonder about the wingnuts. The stupid is unbelievably strong with them. They practically seem to be “unable to function on their own” level stupid. Like if you gave them some applesauce and a spoon, they would probably drown.

811 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:17:34pm

Image: 999x.jpg

A protester attends to an injured man during clashes in Cairo January 28, 2011. President Hosni Mubarak said on Saturday that Egypt needed dialogue not violence to end problems that led to days of protests and said he was sacking his government, speaking in an address on state television.

812 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:18:18pm

“Thirteen”

Featuring a brief lesson on counting an odd-meter time signature, plus violin shenanigans by L. Shankar.

813 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:20:07pm

I’m going to bed. Goodnight, all.

814 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:21:29pm

Image: 999x.jpg

A protester stands in front of a burning barricade during a demonstration in Cairo January 28, 2011. Police and demonstrators fought running battles on the streets of Cairo on Friday in a fourth day of unprecedented protests by tens of thousands of Egyptians demanding an end to President Hosni Mubarak’s three-decade rule.

815 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:23:18pm

re: #811 Gus 802

Image: 999x.jpg

I can’t say for sure, but they look like the same 2 that were featured yesterday… my bad if I am wrong.

816 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:25:43pm

re: #815 brookly red

I can’t say for sure, but they look like the same 2 that were featured yesterday… my bad if I am wrong.

I don’t know. They’re a day ahead so that might be it.

817 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:28:07pm

re: #816 Gus 802

I don’t know. They’re a day ahead so that might be it.

pardon me for being suspicious, but they have lied before…

818 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:29:58pm

re: #817 brookly red

pardon me for being suspicious, but they have lied before…

OK The image works for me. I don’t have my super detective private eye hat on right now.

819 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:31:08pm

re: #818 Gus 802

OK The image works for me. I don’t have my super detective private eye hat on right now.

and what does the image tell you?

820 freetoken  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:31:42pm

re: #818 Gus 802

Speaking of looking at images, how did the monitor situation ever come out?

821 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:32:03pm

re: #793 Gus 802

Jean Luc Ponty with Zappa: Greggery Peccary Suite, 1973

[Video]

A large part of what motivates me to continue trying to build a time machine in my living room has to do with Ruth Underwood.

I’m, like, THIS CLOSE. I just need a negative-charge Fromitz board (currently on backorder from tralfamadore.com)

822 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:32:15pm

re: #819 brookly red

and what does the image tell you?

I see a young man who probably won’t live to see tomorrow if he doesn’t get help soon.

823 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:33:11pm

re: #822 Gus 802

I see a young man who probably won’t live to see tomorrow if he doesn’t get help soon.

I was wondering if he was already looking at eternity.

Because those eyes don’t seem to be looking at anything in this life.

824 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:33:13pm

re: #820 freetoken

Speaking of looking at images, how did the monitor situation ever come out?

good question, and why does the balding guy keep showing up?

825 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:34:02pm

re: #820 freetoken

Speaking of looking at images, how did the monitor situation ever come out?

Oh! I managed to get a 200 advance and went off to buy a replacement the next day. Got an Acer G235H for 159 at the local Microcenter.

826 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:34:06pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

827 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:34:37pm

re: #823 EmmmieG

I was wondering if he was already looking at eternity.

Because those eyes don’t seem to be looking at anything in this life.

Yeah. It’s a sad photo.

828 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:35:17pm

re: #822 Gus 802

I see a young man who probably won’t live to see tomorrow if he doesn’t get help soon.

well odd that there were no medical personal around… we have seen faked photos here before…

829 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:36:14pm

re: #828 brookly red

well odd that there were no medical personal around… we have seen faked photos here before…

That’s nice.

830 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:36:26pm

Time to go. Sleep well, all.

831 freetoken  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:36:53pm

re: #825 Gus 802

Glad to see you got that behind you.

Computers are a pain.

832 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:37:42pm
833 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:37:58pm

re: #829 Gus 802

That’s nice.

well are you ready to swear it is real? and real what while you are at it?

834 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:38:33pm

re: #831 freetoken

Glad to see you got that behind you.

Computers are a pain.

I know. Noticed I have one fan acting up so now I think I’ll replace all 4 case fans when I can afford it. Should run about 60 bucks to get 4 long life Antecs.

835 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:38:57pm

re: #833 brookly red

well are you ready to swear it is real? and real what while you are at it?

Uh huh.

836 freetoken  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:40:48pm

re: #834 Gus 802

I’ll be happy when solid state secondary memory becomes cheap enough to finally rid me of those infernal hard drives, which inevitably fail me after 2 or 3 years of use.

837 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:40:54pm

re: #835 Gus 802

Uh huh.

uh huh meaning you swear this is a picture of an innocent victim? are you really ready to take that plunge?

838 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:41:57pm
839 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:42:22pm

re: #836 freetoken

I’ll be happy when solid state secondary memory becomes cheap enough to finally rid me of those infernal hard drives, which inevitably fail me after 2 or 3 years of use.

Eek! Don’t talk that way. That’s my biggest fear. I’ve had mind for a while and well over 2 to 3 years. But they are both replacements.

840 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:43:14pm

re: #837 brookly red

uh huh meaning you swear this is a picture of an innocent victim? are you really ready to take that plunge?

You’re going to drive me to drink.

841 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:44:05pm

re: #837 brookly red

uh huh meaning you swear this is a picture of an innocent victim? are you really ready to take that plunge?

the rhetorical galaxy you inhabit, it brings tears to my eyes

842 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:45:05pm

re: #841 WindUpBird

the rhetorical galaxy you inhabit, it brings tears to my eyes

You sure you didn’t just take your sneakers off ??

843 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:45:35pm

re: #840 Gus 802

You’re going to drive me to drink.

As long as you dedicate a driver for the ride home, n/p

844 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:46:05pm

re: #840 Gus 802

You’re going to drive me to drink.

not me dude… do you fall for every picture you see? it seemed pretty staged and calm to me. But hey I could be wrong.

845 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:48:04pm

re: #828 brookly red

well odd that there were no medical personal around… we have seen faked photos here before…

Image: XVII-vietnam-execution.jpg

This looks ‘Shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels, and from seeing quite a few Shops in my time.

846 BigPapa  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:48:32pm

A smokin version of Stone Free from Jimi at Royal Albert Hall:

847 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:49:16pm

Propaganda is a bitch, and fortunately we (Americans) are not used to seeing it… but those days seem to be over.

848 BigPapa  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:49:41pm

re: #845 negativ

Image: XVII-vietnam-execution.jpg

This looks ‘Shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels, and from seeing quite a few Shops in my time.

HEAT MAPS.

849 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:50:41pm

re: #845 negativ

Image: XVII-vietnam-execution.jpg

This looks ‘Shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels, and from seeing quite a few Shops in my time.

and the 2 have any relation because? please tell me cause this gonna be a good one.

850 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:51:46pm

re: #847 brookly red

Propaganda is a bitch, and fortunately we (Americans) are not used to seeing it… but those days seem to be over.

Yes. Clearly we are victim of a long and successful propaganda campaign. Not only are we victims but Hosni Mubarak almost fell victim. If we only knew the truth about what a wonderful humanitarian he really is. We are not used to this because we get 100 percent accurate information from Western sources including MSNBC, CBS, and of course from the Department of Defense.

/

851 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:52:16pm

Notice I didn’t mention Fox News. ;)

852 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:53:59pm

re: #846 BigPapa

A damn kid did that.

853 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:54:51pm

re: #852 negativ

As long as they stay off the lawn…

854 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:55:46pm

re: #845 negativ

Image: XVII-vietnam-execution.jpg

This looks ‘Shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels, and from seeing quite a few Shops in my time.

That’s an authentic photo. The photographer and several others were eyewitnesses. The negative has almost certainly been archived.

855 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:56:05pm

OK, I gotta go now. But your homework is compile enough images to to blame this on Bush. don’t laugh there are professionals making good money doing the same, but I am sure you can scoop them!

856 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:56:26pm

re: #854 lostlakehiker

That’s an authentic photo. The photographer and several others were eyewitnesses. The negative has almost certainly been archived.

I think he was being sarcastic.

857 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:57:30pm

re: #855 brookly red

OK, I gotta go now. But your homework is compile enough images to to blame this on Bush. don’t laugh there are professionals making good money doing the same, but I am sure you can scoop them!

You can be really weird sometimes.

858 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 9:58:52pm

re: #856 Gus 802

I think he was being sarcastic.

yes of course that was a real photo we all saw the video… so WTF does it have to do with Egypt other than to act as a distraction?

859 brookly red  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:00:36pm

re: #857 Gus 802

You can be really weird sometimes.

weird? cause I don’t drop my pants & bendover for every photographer?

860 BigPapa  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:01:14pm

uh… (puzzled)

861 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:01:38pm

re: #859 brookly red

weird? cause I don’t drop my pants & bendover for every photographer?

So posting that picture was equal to dropping ones pants and bending over? Like I said. You can be really weird sometimes.

862 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:02:56pm

re: #859 brookly red

weird? cause I don’t drop my pants & bendover for every photographer?

I do. But I’m a “before” hemorrhoid model. //

863 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:03:15pm

re: #850 Gus 802

Remember when Saddam Hussein was our ally?

re: #854 lostlakehiker

pokerface.jpg

864 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:04:37pm

re: #862 Amory Blaine

I do. But I’m a “before” hemorrhoid model. //

I do but only for my proctologist.

He’s a photographer.

//

865 Irenicum  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:05:23pm

Hi gang. Been “Egypting” on FB. Seems this thread has gone to some interesting places. Wazzup?

866 BigPapa  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:05:31pm

Second fav Jimi recording: Band of Gypsies, Machine Gun:

867 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:06:33pm

re: #865 Irenicum

Hi gang. Been “Egypting” on FB. Seems this thread has gone to some interesting places. Wazzup?

Brookly got upset about a picture I posted and now he’s having sodomy fantasies.

868 Irenicum  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:07:01pm

re: #867 Gus 802

Hahahaha. This should be fun.

869 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:08:35pm

re: #868 Irenicum

Hahahaha. This should be fun.

Yeah. Here’s the pic.

littlegreenfootballs.com

870 Lidane  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:10:55pm

Since we’ve alreayd hit the weirdness factor, some Tom Waits for the evening:

871 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:11:03pm

And if it turns out it was faked I’ll be featured on the stalker site for being gullible enough to accept it on face value. Meanwhile, all I was doing was just shooting the breeze by posting an image I saw on Daylife. But, you know how “they” get sometimes. That little innocent post of mine will turn into some kind of attempt of mine to promote “Al Reuters” propaganda putting me in the side of the Muslim Brotherhood!!11ty

872 BigPapa  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:12:25pm

re: #871 Gus 802

Uh… yeah. Srsly!

873 jordash1212  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:13:27pm

Well now seems to be a good time for me to join the foreign service.

874 Irenicum  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:13:59pm

re: #869 Gus 802

Well yeah. Some guy helping another is obviously teh ghey!!!

Nothing like arguing over stupid shit when lives are being lost…

I don’t know the arguments here in this thread. But can we just say that Egyptians helping each other is a good thing?

875 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:14:15pm

re: #872 BigPapa

Uh… yeah. Srsly!

Whew. For a second there I thought I was being interrogated by the NYPD.

//

876 Alexzander  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:14:33pm

re: #871 Gus 802

And if it turns out it was faked I’ll be featured on the stalker site for being gullible enough to accept it on face value. Meanwhile, all I was doing was just shooting the breeze by posting an image I saw on Daylife. But, you know how “they” get sometimes. That little innocent post of mine will turn into some kind of attempt of mine to promote “Al Reuters” propaganda putting me in the side of the Muslim Brotherhood!!11ty

Is Reuters considered pro-muslim or something like? If so, I had no idea.

877 BigPapa  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:17:19pm

re: #875 Gus 802

Watch it or I’ll call the SRSLY Police. You’ll be, like, interrorgated.

878 jordash1212  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:17:36pm

re: #876 Alexzander

I’m not sure pro-Muslim is the right way to put it. A few years ago they had some trouble reporting fairly on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

879 Irenicum  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:17:38pm

re: #876 Alexzander

Reuters has been traditionally seen as being pro Palestinian in the Israel/Palestinian debate. At least in how it reports.

880 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:17:53pm

re: #876 Alexzander

Is Reuters considered pro-muslim or something like? If so, I had no idea.

More or less. There used to be a heavy anti-Reuters contingent here at LGF. Still is to a certain extent. It ebbs and flows. There’s a reason for that given a few incidents but they still provide some usable coverage from time to time. The full list of forbidden “Class of 2004” media outlets was rather lengthy. I remember when I first started posting some CNN links in later 2008 I caught some flack.

881 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:18:04pm

re: #579 Obdicut

I love how the wingnuts are now embracing looney left positions.

Yes, Israel can defend itself. That’s why we don’t have a mutual defense treaty with them, and never have. The military aid we give them is material, not manpower.

What Israel might not have been able to do was to defend herself, without going nuclear, against Soviet materiel, Soviet advisors, and Soviet doctrine, in the Yom Kippur war. Alone, without any resupply.

To some extent, war is mechanical. Put enough firepower on a target and it’ll be destroyed. Throw enough tanks at a position and it’ll be taken. Run out of ammo, and you lose.

The Soviet Union was backing Egypt and Syria, not with personnel, [apart perhaps from a few fighter pilots in mufti] because that would have been too risky, but with weapons and ammo. With no help from the U.S. in that department, Israel might have been forced to go nuclear.

882 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:18:37pm

The Ocean Doesn’t Want Me Today


‘I’ll open up my head and let out all of my time”
/namaste, y’all
883 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:18:45pm
884 jordash1212  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:19:49pm

re: #881 lostlakehiker

They supplied plenty of advisers.

885 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:20:29pm

Just link to Fox News and Newsmax and you should be OK.

//

886 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:20:48pm

Now I’ve done it!

887 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:22:50pm

re: #856 Gus 802

I think he was being sarcastic.

No sarcasm intended on my part. That photo is very real and the event it depicts really happened, just as depicted.

Wikipedia’s article on that incident.

If the original post was sarcasm, sorry, I missed it.

888 Gus  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:23:30pm

re: #887 lostlakehiker

No sarcasm intended on my part. That photo is very real and the event it depicts really happened, just as depicted.

Wikipedia’s article on that incident.

If the original post was sarcasm, sorry, I missed it.

I am familiar with the photo and the film clip.

889 freetoken  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:23:30pm

re: #883 Amory Blaine

Yeah, the old dial-up ISP is the most direct method of getting around the cut in high-speed internet. The Egyptian gov’t would have to cut phone lines in and out of the country to stop that.

890 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:23:32pm

This song has been an earworm for me since I heard it. It’s definitely NSFW so play at your discression. F*** Me, Ray Bradbury.

mefeedia.com

891 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:24:30pm

re: #881 lostlakehiker

Agree up to your last phrase (Israel might have been forced to go nuclear)

Not sure in Israel had that capacity back in ‘73

892 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:24:30pm

LOL spelling. caught it as I hit post.

893 Kragar  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:25:31pm

re: #891 sattv4u2

Agree up to your last phrase (Israel might have been forced to go nuclear)

Not sure in Israel had that capacity back in ‘73

It was rumored they did.

894 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:26:43pm

re: #893 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was rumored they did.

Yes, but I’m under the theory that “rumor” was to keep the wolves at bay
Remember, at that time (73) Israel was still a fledgling state (a mere 25 years old) and had already fought a few wars

895 jordash1212  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:30:42pm

The French were quite helpful in arming Israel. They have quite the industrious nuclear program, and I don’t doubt that they helped Israel achieve a functioning nuclear weapons program by ‘73.

Both Kennedy and LBJ tried to get Israel to pause its nuclear program. LBJ gave up since he didn’t need a diplomatic standoff during the Vietnam War. JFK offered missile systems. In return Israel merely said they would not be the “first to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East.” I’d wager by ‘73 they had some nuclear weapons in the arsenal.

896 lostlakehiker  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:34:06pm

re: #884 jordash1212

They supplied plenty of advisers.

To not much effect. Soviet advisors presumed Soviet soldiers with Soviet levels of discipline and self sacrificing valor, as found during the Great Patriotic War. Soviet tanks were designed around that notion. More tanks can win against fewer, even if better, tanks, if the men driving them are up to it.

But that asks a lot. Unless the Nazis are invading, a man isn’t going to be all that eager to fight in an inferior machine, secure in the knowledge that his sacrifice will spare his nation the ravages of the Hun.

Small unit initiative was lacking among the Syrians and Egyptians. They just didn’t have all that good a reason to lay down their lives. My friend who is a veteran of that war on the Israeli side, and a very peaceful man by natural inclination, reports that he believed the bloodthirsty threats the Arab leaders were putting on the radio. Nothing like that to stiffen the morale of the other side.

897 Querent  Fri, Jan 28, 2011 10:44:08pm

re: #18 SpaceJesus

what i wouldn’t give to airdrop a satellite uplink to the delightfully snarky Egyptian who used to blog as “Sandmonkey”… his man-on-the-street view would be very enlightening right about now…

(and i’m sure i’m not the only lizard…)

898 ryannon  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 3:22:47am

re: #583 WindUpBird

Presented without comment

[Link: juggalofetish.blogspot.com…]

Now, just seeing those Juggalo dudes does the heart good: down-to-earth, normal American kids with normal fucking ideas engaged in wholesome activities. Not like that effete ass commie anarchist Barrett and his pretentious nihilistic Anonymous pussies attacking the very fiber and soul of this great Nation. Go Juggalos! I’m down with you bitches!

899 po8crg  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 6:21:06am

re: #122 engineer dog

generally, dictators offering any concessions at all is the crack in the facade that foretells the end. you has got to be all dictator all the time or no dictator at all

re: #124 oaktree

Sounds like an entry from the Evil Overlord list.

I think it’s essentially a quote from Machiavelli’s The Prince. Mind you most of the Evil Overlord list comes from The Prince in the first place.

900 Ramona  Sat, Jan 29, 2011 10:22:07am

re: #272 recusancy

Yes, Vodaphone was an accomplice. Vodaphone who owns 45% of Verizon (Americans, are we paying attention?), the communications network of choice for despots.


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