Captain America #107: If the Past Be Not Dead

Published in November, 1968
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Tonight’s cover image from the Lizard Collection is a near-mint condition copy of one of Jack Kirby’s masterpieces: the angst-ridden, history-haunted dark blue illustration for issue #107 in Volume 1 of the Captain America series, published in November 1968.

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A synopsis of the storyline from the Marvel Comics Database:

Captain America has been haunted by the same dream night after night: That he is being chased by demonic looking Nazi soldiers until he stumbles upon the grave of his old sidekick Bucky Barnes. Bucky would appear before him and accuse him of failing to rescue him and letting him die. Cap wakes up from this dream screaming and wondering how long he will have to endure the guilt he feels over the death of his sidekick. He decides to call his newly hired psychiatrist Dr. Faustus to tell him that he has had the same dream again. Upon hearing this, Faustus tells Steve to come to his office that afternoon at 2. Faustus is not who he seems, as he is a man who is trying to drive Captain America insane on purpose in order to be the one man who is able to defeat the Star-Spangled Avenger. To this end, he has had his minion Ferret (who has been posing as a bellhop at the hotel Captain America has been staying at) to slip him drugs that cause him to have his horrible dreams. This time, he hands him an extra-potent batch of pills, that Faustus informs will finally push Captain America over the edge.

That afternoon, as Steve Rogers walks toward his appointed session with Dr. Faustus, his mind dwells on how since he was rescued from the glacier he was trapped in[1] he’s felt like a man disconnected from time and that he 20 years he has been in suspended animation since the war seem like ages and wonders if he will truly fit in. His thoughts are interrupted when he spots a woman he thinks is Sharon Carter but when he goes to her he finds that he has been mistaken. The woman calls a police officer out of fear of Cap’s irrational behavior, as Cap gets a hold of himself he looks up at the office and is horrified to find that the cop has the visage of the Red Skull. He flees the scene, more determined to see Dr. Faustus than ever — unaware that these are just two minions of Faustus wearing life-like masks in order to further push Cap to the point of insanity.

At his session, Steve is asked to lay down on Faustus’s couch and close his eyes and talk about the things he sees. However when he opens his eyes again he appears to be in a Nazi dungeon and is being grappled by a number of Nazi soldiers. One Nazi comes up to him with his gun and begins to shoot Cap point blank in the face. This is apparently another hallucination and when reality snaps back it is merely Faustus shining a penlight into his eyes. Faustus concludes that Cap is a very sick man and tells him to return to his hotel room and rest and that he will be sending new medication to him to deal with the dreams.

When Cap leaves, a wall flips around in Faustus’ office revealing the Nazi dungeon set and another group of loyal followers, whom he commends for their exemplary work in driving Captain America to the brink. Back at his hotel room, Captain America practices his fighting skills by grappling with a SHIELD plastoid that has been loaded to him. His session ends just as Ferret arrives to drop off the medication, and the seemingly desperate Captain America eagerly takes it and downs it all without a single question. That night, Cap finds sleep hard to come by and when he looks in the mirror he’s horrified to find that he has aged rapidly into an elderly man. Even shocking still Bucky — seemingly back from the dead — has appeared in his room and tells him that they have to stop some enemy agents. Despite Cap’s protests that he is too old to fight, Bucky convinces him to ride a motorcycle to the enemies location.

This of course is yet another ruse prepared by Faustus and at that very moment he and his men are putting the final touches on a replica of the drone-plane hanger on the day when Bucky died during World War II. When Cap arrives, history seemingly repeats itself again leaving Faustus to believe that Captain America has finally been shattered. However, when he and his minions go to inspect their work, Cap suddenly jumps to his feat and fights off all of Faustus’ minions with ease. Peeling off a mask that made him look old, Captain America tells Faustus that he saw through his plan and pretended to take the medication. Faustus then challenges Cap to one-on-one fist fight. Captain America is more than happy to oblige and knocks down Faustus with a single punch.

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633 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:25:32pm

Does any superhero have a sidekick that's older than them?

I bet someone's already written a book on superhero sidekicks.

2 researchok  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:26:15pm

What happened to 'Click to embiggen'?

3 researchok  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:29:26pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Does any superhero have a sidekick that's older than them?

I bet someone's already written a book on superhero sidekicks.

Well, Batman did have Alfred.

Not exactly a sidekick but he did wear a costume.

4 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:34:06pm

re: #3 researchok

Doesn't count. Alfred stayed at home and baked cookies. He didn't action-sidekick.

5 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:34:13pm

I hope you get the collection valued by experts.

6 Kragar  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:34:39pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Does any superhero have a sidekick that's older than them?

I bet someone's already written a book on superhero sidekicks.

Sidekicks are usually "heroes in training".

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:36:55pm

Angst ridden Captain America? Or grounded teenager on the night of the best party of the year?

8 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:37:22pm

Super Hero In Training, hmmmmm. I like that acronym.

9 researchok  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:38:00pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Doesn't count. Alfred stayed at home and baked cookies. He didn't action-sidekick.

AND he answered the batphone!

That is of course negated by the feather duster thing.

10 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:39:21pm

I saw this on MSNBC. It turns out that when guys fight over Floral, they really fight!

11 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:40:35pm

re: #9 researchok

AND he answered the batphone!

That is of course negated by the feather duster thing.

He's an English Butler. That's a role is and of itself.

12 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:40:48pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sidekicks are usually "heroes in training".

It is kind of weird, though, because it's not like the superheroes that are 'training' them needed to have a superhero train them. Batman sought out diverse training from all over the place, not just one person. The Green Arrow trained himself. Etc. etc.

I think my favorite sidekick is Arthur.

13 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:43:30pm

re: #12 Obdicut

It is kind of weird, though, because it's not like the superheroes that are 'training' them needed to have a superhero train them. Batman sought out diverse training from all over the place, not just one person. The Green Arrow trained himself. Etc. etc.

I think my favorite sidekick is Arthur.

Eddie Murphy as the dragon in Mulan.

14 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:44:55pm

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sidekicks are usually "heroes in training".

My fave will always be Kato.

15 researchok  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:45:02pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

I saw this on MSNBC. It turns out that when guys fight over Floral, they really fight!

That hurt just watching.

16 Kragar  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:46:01pm

Actually, I can think of one older sidekick. The Punisher had his tech guy, Microchip for intel and back up.

17 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:48:18pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Still not very action-y.

In a way, everyone else in Firefly was River's sidekick.

18 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:49:21pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Still not very action-y.

In a way, everyone else in Firefly was River's sidekick.

Shhh, don't tell Jayne that.

19 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:50:09pm

Not a Mets fan, but this would be really neat if it happened. The Wilpons, who are the Mets owners, have themselves some huge financial trouble because of some guy named Bernie Madoff (the trustee looking to make those scammed whole are now looking to recoup money from the Wilpons), so they've finally realized that they have to sell a portion of the team to raise funds to deal with possible lawsuits. They're looking to sell 20-25%.

One of the people expressing an interest? Martin Luther King, III - MLK Jr's son.

20 compound idaho  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:52:58pm

re: #19 lawhawk

Not a Mets fan, but this would be really neat if it happened. The Wilpons, who are the Mets owners, have themselves some huge financial trouble because of some guy named Bernie Madoff (the trustee looking to make those scammed whole are now looking to recoup money from the Wilpons), so they've finally realized that they have to sell a portion of the team to raise funds to deal with possible lawsuits. They're looking to sell 20-25%.

One of the people expressing an interest? Martin Luther King, III - MLK Jr's son.

Can't resist
That will make him a minority owner.

21 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:53:07pm

re: #18 oaktree

Shhh, don't tell Jayne that.

22 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 6:59:17pm

re: #2 researchok

What happened to 'Click to embiggen'?

Embiggening is so 2010.

23 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:02:22pm

I went to a "life Celebration" last weekend, for a friend I hadn't seen, or thought of in over 30 years. He had a great life, sorry I wasn't part of it, and dropped dead in 5 minutes.
Life is very short, you have to enjoy it, while you have it, and share it with good friends.
What did YOU do for a friend, today?

24 bratwurst  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:02:59pm

I probably wouldn't trust a psychiatrist called Dr. Faustus.

25 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:04:34pm

re: #22 Charles

Embiggening is so 2010.

LOL! And the 2020 phrase will be..?

26 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:05:37pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

I made chili.

27 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:06:12pm

re: #25 Floral Giraffe

LOL! And the 2020 phrase will be..?

We Can Again. (Committee to Re-elect Michelle).

28 Digital Display  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:07:33pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

I went to a "life Celebration" last weekend, for a friend I hadn't seen, or thought of in over 30 years. He had a great life, sorry I wasn't part of it, and dropped dead in 5 minutes.
Life is very short, you have to enjoy it, while you have it, and share it with good friends.
What did YOU do for a friend, today?

We are dust in the wind..
I'm sorry for your friend

29 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:07:35pm

re: #25 Floral Giraffe

A NIRTH CERTIFICATE!
LOL!re: #26 Obdicut

With or without beans?
Bless you, either way!

30 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:10:25pm

re: #28 HoosierHoops

Nah, it was a great party. I feel really badly for his wife, he was a great guy.
Attire was supposed to be "carribean or Hawiaan". Yes, for a life celebration. All the ladies had on black skirts & some kind of Hawiaan shirts. How can you not wear black?
'Twas WAY fun to see some of the peoples.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:11:13pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

I went to a "life Celebration" last weekend, for a friend I hadn't seen, or thought of in over 30 years. He had a great life, sorry I wasn't part of it, and dropped dead in 5 minutes.
Life is very short, you have to enjoy it, while you have it, and share it with good friends.
What did YOU do for a friend, today?

I went to lunch with my best friend today. We discussed the Egypt situation in detail. As always, we brought out the better parts of each other.

32 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:11:50pm

re: #25 Floral Giraffe

LOL! And the 2020 phrase will be..?

Gimungify!

33 avanti  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:13:47pm

Redstate: It's the unions !

"Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting."

34 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:15:26pm

Hmmm, I made another skim of the lefty sites. Still lots of stuff talking about how the Muslim Brotherhood is just spiffy and peaceful. I checked, doubled checked, discussed and debated all afternoon and the MB are still assholes. I just don't get it.

35 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:16:14pm

I have a $1 size bottle of "buen Amigo" with a cute sticker on the back that says "Cheers to Matteo". 1/15/11. With a picture of Matt.
I can not imagine the heartbreak his widow is going through.
Such a great guy.
Autopsy being performed.
Party had 500+ . It was a ton of fun.

36 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:16:37pm

re: #33 avanti

Redstate: It's the unions !

"Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting."

Yes, It took them a while to arrive at a talking point but it looks like they've decided that Obama is Islamifying the world.

37 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:16:50pm

re: #33 avanti

Redstate: It's the unions !

"Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting."

The President is blessed in his choice of enemies.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:19:01pm

re: #33 avanti

Redstate: It's the unions !

"Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting."

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, I made another skim of the lefty sites. Still lots of stuff talking about how the Muslim Brotherhood is just spiffy and peaceful. I checked, doubled checked, discussed and debated all afternoon and the MB are still assholes. I just don't get it.

Can I please bring out the Magical Balance Fairy? Because the combined amount of political stupidity emanating from both the left and the right on Egypt is just stunning?

39 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:21:04pm

re: #33 avanti

Unions? What the fuck? Unions? What the fuck.

40 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:21:46pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Can I please bring out the Magical Balance Fairy? Because the combined amount of political stupidity emanating from both the left and the right on Egypt is just stunning?

Nope. The quality of stoopid is not 'strained. There's a difference between very, very wrong and very, very delusional.

41 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:25:31pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Nope. The quality of stoopid is not 'strained. There's a difference between very, very wrong and very, very delusional.

True, but I'd say that assuming the Muslim Brotherhood is peaceful is a delusion on par with imagining Obama is "igniting the Middle East". Both are very dangerous and highly damaging to our national security, and both arise partially out of an inability to accept views other than one's own.

42 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:25:39pm

Creationism Still Advocated in H.S. Biology Classes, Study Finds.


The majority of high-school biology teachers don't take a solid stance on evolution with their students, mostly to avoid conflicts, and fewer than 30 percent of teachers take an adamant pro-evolutionary stance on the topic, a new study finds.

[...]

Only 28 percent of high-school biology teachers followed the National Research Council and National Academy of Sciences recommendations on teaching evolution, which include citing evidence that evolution occurred and teaching evolution thematically, as a link between various biology topics.

[...]

In comparison, 13 percent of the teachers said they "explicitly advocate creationism or intelligent design by spending at least one hour of class time presenting it in a positive light." These are mostly the same group of teachers (about 14 percent) who personally reject the idea of evolution and the scientific method, and believe that God created humans on Earth in their present form less than 10,000 years ago. (That 14 percent included teachers' personal beliefs, regardless of whether they taught these in the classroom.)

When I work with international graduate teaching assistants, and tell them that some percentage of the undergrads in their classes believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and don't believe in the theory of evolution, they giggle in disbelief.

When last night someone posted a comment that freaks like Jack Kingston don't believe in evolution because it isn't being taught in schools, I disagreed.

Sad to say, I was completely wrong.

43 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:25:39pm

re: #23 Floral Giraffe

I went to a "life Celebration" last weekend, for a friend I hadn't seen, or thought of in over 30 years. He had a great life, sorry I wasn't part of it, and dropped dead in 5 minutes.
Life is very short, you have to enjoy it, while you have it, and share it with good friends.
What did YOU do for a friend, today?

I had a chat about our stained glass class that we're taking together. So there.

44 avanti  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:25:45pm

re: #39 Obdicut

Unions? What the fuck? Unions? What the fuck.

Simple. If you believe unions are lefties and lefties are bad, than ergo, all bad things come from the unions. It would be nice to see what the unions/media and the rest gain from the evens in Egypt.

45 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:27:59pm

re: #39 Obdicut

Unions = lefties =bad.
I think that's the logic.

I still like Avanti,though.

46 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:28:29pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

True, but I'd say that assuming the Muslim Brotherhood is peaceful is a delusion on par with imagining Obama is "igniting the Middle East". Both are very dangerous and highly damaging to our national security, and both arise partially out of an inability to accept views other than one's own.

Mistaking the MB arises from no data, bad data, immaturity, wishful thinking--all normal ways of being wrong. UNIONS?

47 Kragar  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:29:28pm

I love how some people can scream for years that Middle Eastern countries need to change and gripe about the population's being apathetic, and yet when they finally take to the streets, it becomes a nefarious plot.

48 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:29:48pm

Fuck. fuck. Fuck. They are predicting a massive snowstorm for Tuesday and Wednesday, 8-10 inches.

I should be happy that now I have a 4 wheel drive instead of that piece of shit Mazda.

It would be more fun if I wasn't still in pain from the crash.

49 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:31:53pm

Donald Trump to President Obama: I may be ready to fire you ...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

50 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:32:04pm

re: #48 Alouette

Fuck. fuck. Fuck. They are predicting a massive snowstorm for Tuesday and Wednesday, 8-10 inches.

I should be happy that now I have a 4 wheel drive instead of that piece of shit Mazda.

It would be more fun if I wasn't still in pain from the crash.

Find another way. You're still hurt, a little scared, and not yet expert in the handling of the SUV. (And it's shiny and new.)

51 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:32:08pm

CNN's Nick Robertson speaks with some of the "Democracy seeking" Muslim protester

52 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:35:19pm

re: #46 Decatur Deb

Mistaking the MB arises from no data, bad data, immaturity, wishful thinking--all normal ways of being wrong. UNIONS?

I'd argue that mistaking the MB also comes from the desire some liberals have to show conservatives as wrong and paranoid. Therefore, if conservatives claim Group X is dangerous, some liberals will want to disagree simply because they want the conservatives to be wrong.

The extremist variant of anti-union sentiment* is born of a dislike of anything on the left (unions support the part of the left, even though many unions are not leftist themselves). That sort of hater tries to paint the other side in the worst possible light to validate his feelings.


*I'm not a big fan of unions, though I try to confine my criticism to the facts and I do firmly acknowledge a legitimate role for unions in the private sector. I call my own type of view "sane skepticism of unions".

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:36:44pm

re: #48 Alouette

Fuck. fuck. Fuck. They are predicting a massive snowstorm for Tuesday and Wednesday, 8-10 inches.

I should be happy that now I have a 4 wheel drive instead of that piece of shit Mazda.

It would be more fun if I wasn't still in pain from the crash.

Well, maybe I get the day off.

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:37:59pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

CNN's Nick Robertson speaks with some of the "Democracy seeking" Muslim protester

[Video]

"Israel is our enemy!" Nope, just gentle little lambs there.

/dripping

55 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:38:42pm

re: #49 _RememberTonyC

Donald Trump to President Obama: I may be ready to fire you ...

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

Donald Trump is the epitome of everything that is wrong with the US financial system.

56 laZardo  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:39:07pm

CAPTAIN AMERICA IS still literally DEAD TO MEE~

;_;

also good morning

57 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:39:31pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

I'd argue that mistaking the MB also comes from the desire some liberals have to show conservatives as wrong and paranoid. Therefore, if conservatives claim Group X is dangerous, some liberals will want to disagree simply because they want the conservatives to be wrong.

The extremist variant of anti-union sentiment* is born of a dislike of anything on the left (unions support the part of the left, even though many unions are not leftist themselves). That sort of hater tries to paint the other side in the worst possible light to validate his feelings.

*I'm not a big fan of unions, though I try to confine my criticism to the facts and I do firmly acknowledge a legitimate role for unions in the private sector. I call my own type of view "sane skepticism of unions".

I hope the discourse hasn't fallen to that low a level. (Be as skeptical as you like--some of them are freakin' mobsters. Mine weren't.)

58 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:40:00pm

re: #48 Alouette

Be safe, whatever you do.

59 laZardo  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:40:08pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

"Israel is our enemy!" Nope, just gentle little lambs there.

/dripping

But it was always called Palestine!

/excuse me, need to get ice

60 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:42:22pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Find another way. You're still hurt, a little scared, and not yet expert in the handling of the SUV. (And it's shiny and new.)

This is an automatic 4 wheel drive. It means that it can sense when to go into 4WD mode. I'm a very cautious driver, and it handles well even though I still brace myself when I sense a patch of ice.

My grandkids from Toronto were here for the weekend, they were little throbbing balls of hyperactivity, so I gave them shovels and had them clear the driveway. They thought it was fun!

61 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:43:35pm

OK, have an early day tomorrow. Will chat with you all tomorrow.

62 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:45:32pm

re: #59 laZardo

But it was always called Palestine!

/excuse me, need to get ice

And at the end of the clip, a man says that is Israel is "the country that controls America". So however much they may want freedom, when it comes to Jews a great many of the protesters are still haters.

63 compound idaho  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:46:04pm

re: #60 Alouette

This is an automatic 4 wheel drive. It means that it can sense when to go into 4WD mode. I'm a very cautious driver, and it handles well even though I still brace myself when I sense a patch of ice.

My grandkids from Toronto were here for the weekend, they were little throbbing balls of hyperactivity, so I gave them shovels and had them clear the driveway. They thought it was fun!

Just remember, you still only have four brakes just like everyone else.

64 webevintage  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:48:37pm

re: #42 Talking Point Detective

Creationism Still Advocated in H.S. Biology Classes, Study Finds.
When I work with international graduate teaching assistants, and tell them that some percentage of the undergrads in their classes believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and don't believe in the theory of evolution, they giggle in disbelief.
When last night someone posted a comment that freaks like Jack Kingston don't believe in evolution because it isn't being taught in schools, I disagreed.
Sad to say, I was completely wrong.

And people wonder why, with such an awesome school district here in Central "bible belt" Arkansas, we chose to homeschool.

65 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:56:48pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, I made another skim of the lefty sites. Still lots of stuff talking about how the Muslim Brotherhood is just spiffy and peaceful. I checked, doubled checked, discussed and debated all afternoon and the MB are still assholes. I just don't get it.

I'm still not seeing what you've characterized as them being described as "spiffy and peaceful." And as I read them, the links you provided earlier did not fit your characterization.

On the other hand....

"Learn from Egyptian protests," Tea Party Nation says

Tea Party Nation sent out a pretty strong statement this morning about the Egyptian protests and what Tea Party activists should learn from the Egyptian government's reaction:

Imagine this. An unpopular leader and an angry population taking to the streets with mass protests. Egypt 2011? No, America, 2009.

Obama Must Act Now on Egypt

The president of the United States makes $400,000 a year. He has government-provided housing, a personal chef, his own helicopter and airplane, not to mention the best personal protection in the universe. It is at times like this that he really earns all those nice perks. [...]

So far, I haven’t seen much evidence that Obama is earning his salary with his response to the revolution in Egypt. ... But he stopped well short of telling Hosni Mubarak, who is clearly on his last legs, that it was time for him to go — a message that Ronald Reagan memorably delivered via his friend Senator Paul Laxalt to Ferdinand Marcos in 1986.

[...]

The Working Group on Egypt, co-chaired by Bob Kagan and Michele Dunn at Brookings, suggests a more muscular response. They urge Obama to “call for free and fair elections for president and for parliament to be held as soon as possible” and for the government to “immediately lift the state of emergency” and “publicly declare that Mr. Mubarak will agree not to run for re-election.” And just to drive the point home: “We further recommend that the Obama administration suspend all economic and military assistance to Egypt until the government accepts and implements these measures.”

And

Bolton on Egypt: Obama May Be Inadvertently Aiding the Rise of Another Radical Jihadist State…

In his own inimitable style, John Bolton tells a reporter that the response of Hillary Clinton’s State Department concerning the crisis in Egypt is “mush.” He gives dire warning that the radical Muslim Brotherhood is gaining traction and that it would be a monumental catastrophe of the highest order if it seized control. Just as the Shah of Iran was bad, he was followed by a regime that was infinitely worse and is still threatening us today. Jimmy Carter helped push the Shah out (1979) and we see what the Ayatolla Khomeni, his successor, wrought for us and the world. Likewise, Mubarak is not ideal but he’s helped America and will negotiate with Israel. But the administration, by trying to be “nice” to all sides by saying nothing of substance, may be inadvertently aiding the rise of another radical jihadist state — and an important one with a population of 80 million in a crucial location with the Suez Canal.

So on the one hand Obama will be responsible for a jihadi takeover if he doesn't help Mubarak, and on the other hand, he'll be responsible for a jihadi takeover if he helps Mubarak.

And of course, there's the aforementioned brilliant analysis that the State Department and labor unions are responsible for the protests.

66 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 7:56:50pm

re: #42 Talking Point Detective

Creationism Still Advocated in H.S. Biology Classes, Study Finds.

When I work with international graduate teaching assistants, and tell them that some percentage of the undergrads in their classes believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and don't believe in the theory of evolution, they giggle in disbelief.

When last night someone posted a comment that freaks like Jack Kingston don't believe in evolution because it isn't being taught in schools, I disagreed.

Sad to say, I was completely wrong.

Where is that in Turkey or Egypt?

//

67 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:00:34pm

It's the Dogma Days of petty partisanship any time anything of any weight happens.

The rest of the time wingers are just petty assholes about Obama. Give the man a fricken break.

68 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:01:03pm

re: #65 Talking Point Detective

I'm still not seeing what you've characterized as them being described as "spiffy and peaceful." And as I read them, the links you provided earlier did not fit your characterization.

On the other hand...

"Learn from Egyptian protests," Tea Party Nation says

Obama Must Act Now on Egypt

And

Bolton on Egypt: Obama May Be Inadvertently Aiding the Rise of Another Radical Jihadist State…

So on the one hand Obama will be responsible for a jihadi takeover if he doesn't help Mubarak, and on the other hand, he'll be responsible for a jihadi takeover if he helps Mubarak.

And of course, there's the aforementioned brilliant analysis that the State Department and labor unions are responsible for the protests.

That just seems to prove to me that there is no unified response 'on the right'. Different actors are advocating the solutions they think best. And if they were all speaking the same message, no doubt word among liberals would be that the "GOP herd has fallen into lockstep". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

69 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:01:11pm

re: #65 Talking Point Detective

I'm still not seeing what you've characterized as them being described as "spiffy and peaceful." And as I read them, the links you provided earlier did not fit your characterization.

I know, I have no hope of convincing you otherwise.

On the other hand...

Agreed, Wingnuts are douchebags too. You'll get no argument from me on that one.

70 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:03:14pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

That just seems to prove to me that there is no unified response 'on the right'. Different actors are advocating the solutions they think best. And if they were all speaking the same message, no doubt word among liberals would be that the "GOP herd has fallen into lockstep". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Ahh. But there is unification. They unanimously agree that is Muslim extremists take over, it will be Obama's fault.

And there's also unanimity that the demonstrations for freedom are a direct outgrowth of Bush's policies - even though Bush (like other presidents and before him) supported an oppressive autocrat.

71 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:03:35pm

re: #65 Talking Point Detective

P.S.

Bolton on Egypt: Obama May Be Inadvertently Aiding the Rise of Another Radical Jihadist State…


At least Bolton used the word "Inadvertently". That may make him the most reasonable wingnut of the day.

72 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:07:43pm

Hello all!

The story above reminds of the Spongebob? characters Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy.

How are you-all this evening?

73 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:07:44pm

If Obama doesn't support Mubarak he will be seen as supporting the Islamists (i.e. Muslim Brotherhood). If he does support Mubarak he will be seen as supporting a dictator. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Obama is the president and he represents the USA. He, we, will be blamed for whatever happens regardless. This is more along the line of always blaming America first -- whatever happens. When the wingnuts blame Obama, they're blaming America. There is not much difference between wingnuts and our foreign enemies.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:07:46pm

re: #70 Talking Point Detective

Ahh. But there is unification. They unanimously agree that is Muslim extremists take over, it will be Obama's fault.

And there's also unanimity that the demonstrations for freedom are a direct outgrowth of Bush's policies - even though Bush (like other presidents and before him) supported an oppressive autocrat.

Whenever a country turns hostile to us as a result of internal upheaval, the part not in the White House always blames the president for "losing" that country. It's just the way politics works and is not a trait particular to conservatives.

75 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:08:22pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I know, I have no hope of convincing you otherwise.

Not true. I looked at the links you provided - and I just didn't see what fit your characterization of how lefties were describing the MB. I think you made some valid points about the Bruce Riedel piece - but I think that it, too, did not fit your description.

Of course there are naive lefties or those who reflexively tend towards support of any group that opposes U.S. foreign policy. What I don't see validated is your broad characterization. I haven't read through all the comments on the links that you gave, but if your characterization was supposed to apply to the articles themselves, I think you were being hyperbolic.

76 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:08:42pm

re: #73 Gus 802

If Obama doesn't support Mubarak he will be seen as supporting the Islamists (i.e. Muslim Brotherhood). If he does support Mubarak he will be seen as supporting a dictator. Damned if you do; damned if you don't. Obama is the president and he represents the USA. He, we, will be blamed for whatever happens regardless. This is more along the line of always blaming America first -- whatever happens. When the wingnuts blame Obama, they're blaming America. There is not much difference between wingnuts and our foreign enemies.

Yep.
I felt that way with the Blame Bush crowd.
And I feel that way with this crowd as well.

77 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:09:38pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

P.S.


At least Bolton used the word "Inadvertently". That may make him the most reasonable wingnut of the day.

Yeah - although I didn't listen to the clip.... I was wondering if that might have been an inaccurate paraphrase. For him to actually say "inadvertently" seems out of character.

78 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:11:08pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

Whenever a country turns hostile to us as a result of internal upheaval, the part not in the White House always blames the president for "losing" that country. It's just the way politics works and is not a trait particular to conservatives.

Ok. I think I don't disagree. You get special dispensation for pulling out the magical balance fairy on this one.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:13:17pm

re: #77 Talking Point Detective

Yeah - although I didn't listen to the clip... I was wondering if that might have been an inaccurate paraphrase. For him to actually say "inadvertently" seems out of character.

Well, unlike RedState, I think Bolton would grant that Obama's intentions in this matter are decent and reasonable. He's faulting tactics and strategy, not motives and decency. It's an important difference between a reasonable critique of policy and the ranting of a hater.

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:13:20pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

I saw this on MSNBC. It turns out that when guys fight over Floral, they really fight!

I have a headache just watching that.

81 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:14:51pm

re: #80 ggt

I have a headache just watching that.

Yeah, its a real pain in the neck. :D

82 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:15:10pm

Here's a completely random but nifty fact:

Richard Adams based the characters of the hero rabbits in Watership Down on his WWII army buddies.

83 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:15:11pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, its a real pain in the neck. :D

*WHACK*

84 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:15:56pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Bolton is a ranting hater these days, though. So you may be being too generous to the 'stache.

85 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:16:11pm

The guy busted with a trunkload of Class C explosives in Dearborn has a history. It's not the first time he's been charged with bomb-making. (Don't relax at the word "fireworks" what counts is the Net Explosives Weight and the knowledge of how to use it.)

[Link: www.pressandguide.com...]

86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:16:17pm

re: #78 Talking Point Detective

Ok. I think I don't disagree. You get special dispensation for pulling out the magical balance fairy on this one.

Thank you. Most of the time the MBF is indeed wrong, but there are a select few times when the parties do behave almost identically.

87 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:16:26pm

re: #56 laZardo

CAPTAIN AMERICA IS still literally DEAD TO MEE~

;_;

also good morning

Johnny Storm is next.

Fans of Marvel, and comic books in general, were not happy to find out this week that Marvel has decided to kill off one of it’s iconic characters who has been with the franchise since 1961. After fifty years as one of the members of the Fantastic Four, the fiery and immature Johnny Storm was killed off by the comic book. It is said to be the most surprising addition to the storyline at Marvel since Captain America was killed off four years ago.

88 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:17:26pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

Johnny Storm is next.

MUHAHAHAHA!
I didn't like that punk!
:P

89 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:17:47pm

re: #82 Obdicut

Here's a completely random but nifty fact:

Richard Adams based the characters of the hero rabbits in Watership Down on his WWII army buddies.

Britain had many heroes in that war. His choice was well made,

90 Kragar  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:19:37pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

MUHAHAHAHA!
I didn't like that punk!
:P

Eh, superheroes never die, they just form an alternare continuity.

91 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:21:49pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, its a real pain in the neck. :D

Well, not according to the video, their 12" cervical vertebrae are made to handle it.

I'd have broken my neck and be feeling no pain.

92 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:22:11pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

P.S.


At least Bolton used the word "Inadvertently". That may make him the most reasonable wingnut of the day.

I listened to the clip. The paraphrase was completely inaccurate. He was contemptuous of the Bush administration's response - as being "mush," but seemed to contradict himself as he said that the administration should remain silent.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

93 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:22:19pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

Britain had many heroes in that war. His choice was well made,

If I were in a war, I'd like to have a commanding officer as smart and competent as Hazel, that's for sure.

94 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:25:26pm

I think Barnacle Boy is older than Mermaid Man.

Yes, Mermaid Man was born in 1933 and Barnacle Boy in 1934

95 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:25:50pm

re: #92 Talking Point Detective

Obviously, the Obama administration. It's a bit disturbing how difficult it is for me to post a comment that doesn't contain glaring errors.

Drugs, high school, and brain cells are not a symbiotic combination.

96 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:26:56pm

re: #94 ggt

I think Barnacle Boy is older than Mermaid Man.

Yes, Mermaid Man was born in 1933 and Barnacle Boy in 1934

Damn, I need stronger antibiotics. I can't believe I posted that.

97 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:28:17pm

More randomness:

My #1 book recommendation for the year of the fiction variety is Cutting for Stone.

Especially for those of us trying to sympathize with and grapple with the idea of a place where revolution is happening, it's a brilliant book. It traces the lives of twin brothers, raised in a hospital in Ethiopia by adoptive parents who are doctors there.

It's a wonderful, important story, beautifully told, by an author who's sympathetic to his characters.

98 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:28:48pm
99 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:29:16pm

re: #95 Talking Point Detective

"Drugs, high school, and brain cells are not a symbiotic combination."

Well, that depends on your point-of-view. It all seemed so cool back then . . . :)

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:30:42pm

re: #97 Obdicut

More randomness:

My #1 book recommendation for the year of the fiction variety is Cutting for Stone.

Especially for those of us trying to sympathize with and grapple with the idea of a place where revolution is happening, it's a brilliant book. It traces the lives of twin brothers, raised in a hospital in Ethiopia by adoptive parents who are doctors there.

It's a wonderful, important story, beautifully told, by an author who's sympathetic to his characters.

Is it sad?

101 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:39:01pm

re: #100 ggt

Is it sad?

Yep. Very sad. Also pretty happy. But very, very sad.

102 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:42:06pm

We are so lucky to be living in the US! Just hope our luck holds out.

Political unrest has broken out in Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt and other Arab countries. Social media and governmental policies are getting most of the credit for spurring the turmoil, but there's another factor at play.

Many of the people protesting are also angry about dramatic price hikes for basic foodstuffs, such as rice, cereals, cooking oil and sugar.

Compared to average food prices between 2002 and 2004 (valued below at 100), the global price of food has been rising in the years since.
FAO Food Price Index, 2006-2010

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations says its global food price index is at a record high, above even where it stood during the last food crisis three years ago. In early 2008, rising prices caused riots in dozens of countries — several of which are now seeing uprisings once again.

103 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:43:33pm

Fox Nation carries a Jim Hoft blog.

As Egypt Burns...Obama Parties

God do I hate wingnuts.

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:45:38pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Fox Nation carries a Jim Hoft blog.

As Egypt Burns...Obama Parties

God do I hate wingnuts.

Similar to the Bush not reacting to Katrina meme.

The opposing side always finds a way to bash.

105 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:46:24pm

Give the States a way to go BK.

Has this been discussed here?

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:49:55pm
107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:51:11pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Yep. Very sad. Also pretty happy. But very, very sad.

Thanks for the recommendation. I can't take any more sad right now. Bookmarked it tho.

108 laZardo  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:53:47pm

re: #104 ggt

Similar to the Bush not reacting to Katrina meme.

The opposing side always finds a way to bash.

But George Bush doesn't care 'bout black people.

/imma let you finish but

109 Kragar  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:53:52pm
110 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:59:15pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*secede

Damn, again!

111 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:59:22pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

*secede

Elitist bastard.
/

112 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 8:59:40pm

Carter didn't "lose" Iran. The USA lost Iran and the wheels started turning well before Carter took office. And I won't bring up Iran-Contra.

113 lostlakehiker  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:00:03pm

re: #44 avanti

Simple. If you believe unions are lefties and lefties are bad, than ergo, all bad things come from the unions. It would be nice to see what the unions/media and the rest gain from the evens in Egypt.

Unions tend to be lefties and since the Left has already won most of what would be good for society, the remaining agenda of the left works mostly to make things worse for the general public. Many unions also push an agenda that makes things worse for the general public. Consider what we have seen recently: NYC union snow plow workers deliberately shirking on the day they're most needed. Pensions that are blowing big holes in the budgets of several states. Cozy arrangements between public employee unions and state governments, arrangements that tend to blow more holes in the budget.

$150K costs to employ snow plow drivers in NYC. Come ON...that's too much.

States with strong pro-union laws tend to slide in the economic rankings. All these costs we bear, because corporations can become intolerably high handed if there are no unions. But unions as a generally good thing? Nowadays?

Not many people see it that way, because given a free choice in a secret ballot, workers are likely to vote down unionization. Add to that all the people who choose careers where they're not at risk of being forced into a union, and you see how little popular the idea of being in a union is.

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:00:44pm

re: #108 laZardo

But George Bush doesn't care 'bout black people.

/imma let you finish but

Oh, yeah, I forgot about how he ignored Afrika.

/:)

115 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:01:01pm

And you can't lose something that was never yours anyway. This empire mentality has got to end. We are not the United Kingdom. We are the USA and we're supposed to be a republic not an empire.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:02:09pm

re: #115 Gus 802

And you can't lose something that was never yours anyway. This empire mentality has got to end. We are not the United Kingdom. We are the USA and we're supposed to be a republic not an empire.

Can you define "empire mentality"?

117 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:02:56pm

re: #112 Gus 802

Carter didn't "lose" Iran. The USA lost Iran and the wheels started turning well before Carter took office. And I won't bring up Iran-Contra.

We "lost" Iran in 1953. Most don't even know why.

118 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:03:12pm

re: #113 lostlakehiker

$150K costs to employ snow plow drivers in NYC. Come ON...that's too much.

Not when you consider the cost of living in NYC and the very real fact that plowed roads are necessary in winter for any sort of business to take place. What are the benefits of paying those drivers $150k vs. the potential losses if there's no one around to plow the roads at all?

119 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:04:16pm

re: #116 ggt

Can you define "empire mentality"?

The idea that we can control every single sovereign nation that exists on the planet. The idea that we "had" Iran and that it was something for us to lose. The idea that we "have" Egypt and that it something for us to lose. We can't control every nation around the world.

120 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:04:20pm

re: #118 Lidane

Not when you consider the cost of living in NYC and the very real fact that plowed roads are necessary in winter for any sort of business to take place. What are the benefits of paying those drivers $150k vs. the potential losses if there's no one around to plow the roads at all?

I don't think you could get me to drive anything full-time in NYC for less.

:0

121 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:04:23pm

re: #118 Lidane

Not when you consider the cost of living in NYC and the very real fact that plowed roads are necessary in winter for any sort of business to take place. What are the benefits of paying those drivers $150k vs. the potential losses if there's no one around to plow the roads at all?

But paying CEOs that drive the company into the ground millions is just peachy!

122 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:04:43pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Fox Nation carries a Jim Hoft blog.

As Egypt Burns...Obama Parties

God do I hate wingnuts.

I know how you feel. I was one and I feel the ick.

123 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:05:42pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

But paying CEOs that drive the company into the ground millions is just peachy!

Well, sure. They're important. The people under them who actually do the menial work? Pfft. Screw 'em. =P

124 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:05:44pm

re: #122 BigPapa

I know how you feel. I was one and I feel the ick.

I've had it up to here! OK, I'm pointing at my forehead. ;)

125 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:06:56pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

We "lost" Iran in 1953. Most don't even know why.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

126 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:07:15pm

re: #125 Gus 802

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Bingo!

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:07:24pm

re: #119 Gus 802

The idea that we can control every single sovereign nation that exists on the planet. The idea that we "had" Iran and that it was something for us to lose. The idea that we "have" Egypt and that it something for us to lose. We can't control every nation around the world.

I call that arrogance.

There is what I call the "co-dependent" mentality. The people who are pathalogical "helpers". We know better, we are stronger, faster, bigger, richer, more intelligent a country, therefore; we are responsible.

You know, the "we the people are more equal than others" mentality.

I think "empire" as a word is kind of archaic in the sense that it is used.

128 laZardo  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:07:53pm

re: #114 ggt

Oh, yeah, I forgot about how he ignored Afrika.

/:)

Barack Obama, however, does care about Asian people though.

True story, bro.

/and yes, your trucks are really that big.

129 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:10:56pm

re: #104 ggt

Similar to the Bush not reacting to Katrina meme.

The opposing side always finds a way to bash.

Disagree. I'm an emergency response coordinator (on-scene supervisor), and there is a *huge* difference between what could and couldn't have been done in New Orleans. It was a cock-up at all levels, but the signal failure was by FEMA. And Bush ran FEMA.

Our ability to respond is obviously a much tougher nut to crack in Egypt.

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:12:40pm

re: #129 austin_blue

Disagree. I'm an emergency response coordinator (on-scene supervisor), and there is a *huge* difference between what could and couldn't have been done in New Orleans. It was a cock-up at all levels, but the signal failure was by FEMA. And Bush ran FEMA.

Our ability to respond is obviously a much tougher nut to crack in Egypt.

I was referring to the news reports that he wasn't on the ground in NOLA fast enough.

NOT the debacle as a whole. As I remember it the Governor of Louisiana, at first, refused aid. The Federal Government can't come in without the permission of the State.

131 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:14:09pm

Also, I have to laugh at the bitching about unions. Without unions, we wouldn't have a five-day, 40 hour work week, overtime pay, health insurance, benefits, paid vacation, maternity and child leave, child labor laws, worker safety laws, and loads of other things that most people now take for granted as they sit at their keyboards and bitch about unions.

Is there room to negotiate over wages, pensions, and retirement funds? Sure. That's true for union and non-union workers alike. Workers should have a voice at the management table, however, and I'm saying that as someone who's in the process of getting an MBA.

I live in a right-to-work state. Unions aren't mandatory here. However, I can see their value, since there has to be someone advocating for the grunts on the assembly line and the folks in the secretarial pool.

132 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:14:20pm

I just attempted to write a joke about how Katrina was my fault because I was sleeping with one of Neptune's daughters. I read it after writing it, and it made no sense and was creepy-bordering-on-insane.

Time to go to bed, obviously.

Goodnight.

133 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:16:34pm

re: #127 ggt

I call that arrogance.

There is what I call the "co-dependent" mentality. The people who are pathalogical "helpers". We know better, we are stronger, faster, bigger, richer, more intelligent a country, therefore; we are responsible.

You know, the "we the people are more equal than others" mentality.

I think "empire" as a word is kind of archaic in the sense that it is used.

Well arrogance denotes a behavior while empire denotes a de facto mechanism that is frequently employed as foreign policy most commonly words as "American interests". We do not engage in these endeavors for the betterment of foreign citizens. We engage in these endeavors for American business interests and long term foreign policy goals and alleged stability as we see fit. We define those terms since we hold the greatest amount of capital and are also motivated with a post WWII fervor that has not yielded even with the end of the Cold War. Perhaps it is not a traditional empire but it is "empire like".

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:17:24pm

re: #131 Lidane

Also, I have to laugh at the bitching about unions. Without unions, we wouldn't have a five-day, 40 hour work week, overtime pay, health insurance, benefits, paid vacation, maternity and child leave, child labor laws, worker safety laws, and loads of other things that most people now take for granted as they sit at their keyboards and bitch about unions.

Is there room to negotiate over wages, pensions, and retirement funds? Sure. That's true for union and non-union workers alike. Workers should have a voice at the management table, however, and I'm saying that as someone who's in the process of getting an MBA.

I live in a right-to-work state. Unions aren't mandatory here. However, I can see their value, since there has to be someone advocating for the grunts on the assembly line and the folks in the secretarial pool.

In a sense, I think they have accomplished their purpose in this country --with OSHA, and other agencies and laws in place now. They still have a place here.

There are lots of countries, I think, in which the workers need the Unions now, more than we do.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:18:33pm

Just left a fundraiser for a guy I know who is 36 with terminal brain cancer.

Holy hell.

I wish I could do more, but, there is no amount of money...

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:20:16pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Well arrogance denotes a behavior while empire denotes a de facto mechanism that is frequently employed as foreign policy most commonly words as "American interests". We do not engage in these endeavors for the betterment of foreign citizens. We engage in these endeavors for American business interests and long term foreign policy goals and alleged stability as we see fit. We define those terms since we hold the greatest amount of capital and are also motivated with a post WWII fervor that has not yielded even with the end of the Cold War. Perhaps it is not a traditional empire but it is "empire like".

But doesn't empire imply ownership?

merriam-webster

I think there is a better word. I don't know what it is.

137 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:22:44pm

re: #134 ggt

In a sense, I think they have accomplished their purpose in this country --with OSHA, and other agencies and laws in place now. They still have a place here.

I disagree. There are still industries where conditions are hellish, worker turnover is ridiculously high, and the rate of injury and other problems are absurd. For example, the migrant farm workers, and the people working in large factory farms, especially in large meat packing plants. They still need advocates and people standing up for their rights.

A lot of people think of unions and they immediately flock to the big ones that are in the press, like the auto workers, and they paint all unions with the same broad brush, thinking that just because those guys got cushy pensions and whatnot, that everyone in a union is in that position. It's not true, and there is still a need for those workers to have a voice.

There are lots of countries, I think, in which the workers need the Unions now, more than we do.

Sure. There's a need in a lot of places. But we're not totally out of the woods yet. We're a hell of a lot better off than we were 100 years ago, but there's still work yet to be done.

138 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:23:34pm

re: #136 ggt

But doesn't empire imply ownership?

merriam-webster

I think there is a better word. I don't know what it is.

vested interest?

139 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:24:57pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A friend of mine from high school died at 32 from complications following a liver transplant that he'd had at 31. You can never tell, really.

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:25:01pm

My Father-In-Law grew up in a company town in Alabama. His father was middle management but even he was paid in script until FDR cracked down. All the other bad stories you hear are still within living memory. And if the unions all disappeared tomorrow, I believe we'd be back to those conditions by the end of the week. That is, if it took that long... :banghead:

Don't ever fall for the line that they did their job and aren't needed now.

141 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:25:07pm

re: #138 mracb

vested interest?

Yeah, our responsibility is to ourselves as a country, first.

142 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:25:42pm

re: #136 ggt

But doesn't empire imply ownership?

merriam-webster

I think there is a better word. I don't know what it is.

I don't want to get stuck on semantics. Let's just say we meddle far too much. Granted, it's nothing compared to what we used to do in the 50s and 60s. But we need to get into our thick skulls that we can't control everything.

143 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:26:15pm

re: #141 ggt

Yeah, our responsibility is to ourselves as a country, first.

Then why do we get surprised when the people we screw over aren't happy with us???

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:26:33pm

re: #137 Lidane

Your post just read like something Upton Sinclair would've written.

Doesn't make it less true.

Unions have their place... but... many have also been company killers.

Hell, I don't know what to think about it.

145 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:26:51pm

re: #140 wlewisiii

My Father-In-Law grew up in a company town in Alabama. His father was middle management but even he was paid in script until FDR cracked down. All the other bad stories you hear are still within living memory. And if the unions all disappeared tomorrow, I believe we'd be back to those conditions by the end of the week. That is, if it took that long... :banghead:

Don't ever fall for the line that they did their job and aren't needed now.

Not needed is not what I meant. Perhaps I think their role isn't the same as it was entirely. It's been so long since I really paid attention to the inner workings.

I'm going to leave this subject for now.

146 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:27:28pm

re: #141 ggt

Yeah, our responsibility is to ourselves as a country, first.

Like healthcare, education, jobs, research, and everything else we forgot about while we were bust playing "leader of the federation".

147 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:27:49pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

Then why do we get surprised when the people we screw over aren't happy with us???

Our vested interest is sometimes incompatible with our ideals.

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:29:03pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

Then why do we get surprised when the people we screw over aren't happy with us???

Who are you talking about?

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:29:19pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Like healthcare, education, jobs, research, and everything else we forgot about while we were bust playing "leader of the federation".

Freudian?

150 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:29:27pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Unions have their place... but... many have also been company killers.

Hell, I don't know what to think about it.

I'll agree they're not perfect, and yes, some have definitely gotten out of hand. However, I think they still have value, and that there are still workers out there who need someone advocating on their behalf.

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:29:57pm

re: #146 Gus 802

Like healthcare, education, jobs, research, and everything else we forgot about while we were bust playing "leader of the federation".

It's all global now. I'm just trying to pay attention.

152 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:30:05pm

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Freudian?

Right. It was supposed to be "busy". I guess "bust" works because we're going bust in this endeavor.

153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:30:09pm

re: #150 Lidane

Isn't that precisely what I just said? We agree, right?

154 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:31:04pm

re: #148 ggt

Who are you talking about?

Let's start with the 1953 overthrow of the Iranian government by the UK and US.

155 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:31:13pm

re: #142 Gus 802

But we need to get into our thick skulls that we can't control everything.

But...but...American Exceptionalism!!!11ty!!1!

156 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:31:57pm

re: #151 ggt

It's all global now. I'm just trying to pay attention.

It's been global since the Philippine–American War in 1899.

157 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:32:27pm

re: #153 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Isn't that precisely what I just said? We agree, right?

Yeah, we agree. It's just that it's late and I'm drowning in Accounting homework. My brain isn't firing at 100% right now. Heh.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:32:32pm

re: #155 Lidane

But...but...American Exceptionalism!!!11ty!!1!

Well? I gotta cheer for somebody. May as well be me and my neighbors.

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:33:40pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

Let's start with the 1953 overthrow of the Iranian government by the UK and US.

You wanna go back that far? Hey, I can't fathom life after WWII. I won't begin to judge the action of our leaders back then. They didn't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, or instant communications, but the did have the reality of the war and some really, really nasty players in the whole Communism game.

160 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:34:23pm

re: #130 ggt

I was referring to the news reports that he wasn't on the ground in NOLA fast enough.

NOT the debacle as a whole. As I remember it the Governor of Louisiana, at first, refused aid. The Federal Government can't come in without the permission of the State.

FEMA can always respond with National assets. That's it's job. Fort Polk had trucks, fuel, a Military Police Battalion, packaged food, &c, everything that New Orleans needed, and it was four hours away by road. And US 61 was open directly to downtown NO, never flooded or closed.

That's how the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, which staged its trucks and boats at the intersection of I-10 and I-12 in Baton Rouge, was able to to mobilize into NO and get its boats into the Lower 9 by noon. The Feds fucked the dog, big time.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:35:00pm

re: #156 Gus 802

It's been global since the Philippine–American War in 1899.

Has the economy been as global?

162 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:35:06pm

re: #155 Lidane

But...but...American Exceptionalism!!!11ty!!1!

While our education system continues to fall alongside the brain drain. I'd be willing to accept some meddling but we still take the cake when it comes to wanting to control other nations.

163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:35:24pm

re: #160 austin_blue

Everybody fucked that one up.

Number one bad actor? IMO?

Weather.

164 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:36:55pm

re: #162 Gus 802

While our education system continues to fall alongside the brain drain. I'd be willing to accept some meddling but we still take the cake when it comes to wanting to control other nations.

They certainly don't say NO to our money.

Reality does suck.

165 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:37:56pm

re: #164 ggt

They certainly don't say NO to our money.

Reality does suck.

Yeah. Free money with a lot of strings attached. Get 1 billion dollars in aid and you get Mubarak free!

//

166 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:38:11pm

re: #156 Gus 802

It's been global since the Philippine–American War in 1899.

Filipino Box Spring Hog

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:38:17pm

bbiab

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:39:01pm

Did I mention that this fundraiser for the dude with bad cancer in his brain had alcohol?

Freakin' beer. If it weren't for beer, I'd weigh a hundred and forty pounds.

Well... beer and cake.

And bread. And potatoes.

And eating too much.

169 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:39:46pm

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did I mention that this fundraiser for the dude with bad cancer in his brain had alcohol?

Freakin' beer. If it weren't for beer, I'd weigh a hundred and forty pounds.

Well... beer and cake.

And bread. And potatoes.

And eating too much.

Bad, Vegetarian, BAD!
/

170 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:40:25pm

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did I mention that this fundraiser for the dude with bad cancer in his brain had alcohol?

Freakin' beer. If it weren't for beer, I'd weigh a hundred and forty pounds.

Well... beer and cake.

And bread. And potatoes.

And eating too much.

Beer: the cause and solution to all of life's problems...

171 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:40:48pm

re: #166 Killgore Trout

It's so weird. I love Tom Waits, but can hardly stand to listen to him.

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:42:16pm

re: #170 talon_262

Beer: the cause and solution to all of life's problems...

Helps ugly people get laid.

173 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:42:36pm

Yay, 2 days of not smoking.

...tobacco.

174 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:43:05pm

Goodnight, all.

175 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:43:07pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


Unions have their place... but... many have also been company killers.

Hell, I don't know what to think about it.

I know what to think about it: get away from the false premise of 'Unions = evil/destroy America' vs 'unions awesome.'

They have their place. As I've listened to my Teamster buddy lament incessantly about BS politics fomented by union cronyism I'm not about to forget that they aren't a hedge against the Church of Supply Side Jeebus.

If we are to discuss and criticize unions then we should discuss unions, not unionism, just as we should discuss corporations. There are evil and responsible corporations too.

176 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:46:22pm

Tom Waits - In the Colosseum


/Namaste, y'all
177 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:47:12pm

re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Everybody fucked that one up.

Number one bad actor? IMO?

Weather.

Really? Really? I can't tell you how offensive that is to a professional in the business. The whole point is an effective response to a specific incident. You are blaming God.

Stupid stupid stupid.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:49:22pm

re: #177 austin_blue

Stupid?

Bad fucking weather happened. Bunch of fucking people fucked up the response.

And you call me stupid.

Okay. I'm stupid.

179 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:50:55pm

re: #173 mracb

Yay, 2 days of not smoking.

...tobacco.

WOW. Keep going! You can do it!

No matter what, make it to day 3. That's the only advice I'll give you. At the end of Day 3, I'll give you another piece of advice.

Don't cheat, or sneak. You have to shut the door, lock it, prop a door against the knob, start layin bricks in the doorway. One day at a time.

Ex since 2001.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:50:55pm

I'm a bad "Wheel of Fish" player too.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:51:52pm

re: #179 BigPapa

The only people who are worse than ex-smokers? Prius drivers.

182 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:52:54pm

re: #179 BigPapa

WOW. Keep going! You can do it!

No matter what, make it to day 3. That's the only advice I'll give you. At the end of Day 3, I'll give you another piece of advice.

Don't cheat, or sneak. You have to shut the door, lock it, prop a door against the knob, start layin bricks in the doorway. One day at a time.

Ex since 2001.

I'm chewing the gum. I've quit many times, 3 years is my record. I have trouble at 30 days and 90 days and then about every 3 months, even out to 3 years.

183 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:54:09pm

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Stupid?

Bad fucking weather happened. Bunch of fucking people fucked up the response.

And you call me stupid.

Okay. I'm stupid.

Agreed, in this case. It rarely is the case.

184 Lidane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:56:11pm

Huzzah! Accounting is done. It's not even due until Thursday, but it's done and submitted. Whew!

Now I just have to work on HR, but I'll save that for tomorrow. Good night all! :D

185 Kragar  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:56:22pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm a bad "Wheel of Fish" player too.

You can win your weight in Red Snapper or you can take whats in the box!

186 Kronocide  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:58:33pm

re: #182 mracb

I'm chewing the gum. I've quit many times, 3 years is my record. I have trouble at 30 days and 90 days and then about every 3 months, even out to 3 years.

Well, all of our burdens and paths are different. But no matter what I wish you success.

It's close to 10 years but occasionally I have an urge. The thing that worked for me is that I envisioned The Door. I shut it and and feared opening it, even for a little toke. My first days/weeks were tough, but at times it was easier than I thought. But I still sometimes remember that warm comfort, security blanket, of a pack of smokes. I will never go back.

What's cool is the Smoking Dreams: I have a dream that I started smoking again and feel let down, etc. Then I wake up and think 'FUCK YEAH I'M STILL FREE.' It's huge.

But that's my story. Yours will be different, but I just wanted to share. But at least I didn't tell you to buy a fucking Prius!

187 elizajane  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 9:58:54pm

Egyptian Artifacts Update:
Turns out that one of my former students is there now (about to be flown out) but sends this report. (We here at LGF knew a lot of this already)

It's hard to get information b/c all Internet traffic was shut down on Thursday, as well as cellphone service and some landlines. The most up-to-date info is coming from Al Jazeera, but Egypt is just starting trying to block their broadcasts today. Their twitter feed: [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

and live TV feed: [Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

For the archaeologists out there--

They're the only hard source that has footage of the Cairo Museum--it's been threatened by fires in the surrounding government buildings and there was damage done by looters:

Protesters tried to protect the building by forming a human chain around it: [Link: yfrog.com...]

The army is now occupying the museum grounds. At some point looters cleaned out the museum store (hard cash vs. recognizable objects?), but then a group got in on the second floor through the skylights and smashed cases.

This egyptologist has been posting about which objects are damaged: eloquentpeasant.org
They seem to have smashed objects along the South end of the second floor, meaning wooden models, bronze statuettes, and a few gold-plated Tutankhamun statues. Reports mention two mummies beheaded, based on footage of a smashed coffin cover it looks like it might be Tuya and Yuya, Tut's great-grandparents and two of the best preserved royal-family mummies. If they'd come in anywhere else, it would have been smack in the middle of the Tut material. It's still unclear if any objects were removed, or just vandalized.

Although the Cairo Museum seems to be stable now, there are reports of regional museums, magazines, and archaeological sites being looted: [Link: egyptology.blogspot.com...]

Salima Ikram, American University in Cairo professor, asks scholars to watch the antiquities market for looted objects.

If you want to stay up to date on the protests, Al Jazeera is the best bet, the NY Times Lede blog also: [Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...] A few journalists have found ways around the communications blocks and are uploading photos of Cairo: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

188 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:00:57pm

re: #186 BigPapa


What's cool is the Smoking Dreams: I have a dream that I started smoking again and feel let down, etc. Then I wake up and think 'FUCK YEAH I'M STILL FREE.' It's huge.

But that's my story. Yours will be different, but I just wanted to share. But at least I didn't tell you to buy a fucking Prius!

LOL

I had smoking dreams too, but I didn't feel let down, I just missed smoking more. :(

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:07:30pm

re: #177 austin_blue

Really? Really? I can't tell you how offensive that is to a professional in the business. The whole point is an effective response to a specific incident. You are blaming God.

Stupid stupid stupid.

I think this is at the heart of what Gus and I were discussing. We expect ourselves to be perfect in every way.

Bad things happen and for whatever reasons, the humans involved make more problems, while trying to make things better.

Humans aren't perfect.

Unions, governments, corporations are only as good as the individuals involved. And not one of those individuals is perfect.

190 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:10:00pm
191 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:10:55pm
192 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:12:02pm

Jorge Cafrune

Jorge Cafrune was born in the estancia "La Matilde" of El Sunchal, Perico Del Carmén, Jujuy in a family of Syrian-Lebanese origin. He completed his secondary studies in San Salvador de Jujuy, during which he took guitar classes with Nicolás Lamadrid.

...

In 1977, after several years spent living in Spain, he returned to Argentina which was governed at the time by the military dictatorship of Jorge Rafael Videla. The government saw a menace in Cafrune's outspoken music, particularly his politically controversial song, Zamba de mi esperanza. On his persistence, Cafrune said, "Although it is not in the authorized repertoire, if my people requests it of me, I am going to sing it." On January 31, 1978, Lieutenant Colonel Carlos Enrique Villanueva ordered the assassination of Cafrune. After being run over by a van driven by two nineteen year old men, Cafrune died within twelve hours.

193 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:12:41pm

re: #189 ggt

I think this is at the heart of what Gus and I were discussing. We expect ourselves to be perfect in every way.

Bad things happen and for whatever reasons, the humans involved make more problems, while trying to make things better.

Humans aren't perfect.

Unions, governments, corporations are only as good as the individuals involved. And not one of those individuals is perfect.

Agreed that humans aren't perfect. But Katrina was a slow motion disaster, with 48 hours before landfall.

The mayor screamed for help on early on, as did the state.

Blah blah blah by FEMA. Complete cock-up.

194 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:13:56pm

re: #160 austin_blue

FEMA can always respond with National assets. That's it's job. Fort Polk had trucks, fuel, a Military Police Battalion, packaged food, &c, everything that New Orleans needed, and it was four hours away by road. And US 61 was open directly to downtown NO, never flooded or closed.

That's how the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, which staged its trucks and boats at the intersection of I-10 and I-12 in Baton Rouge, was able to to mobilize into NO and get its boats into the Lower 9 by noon. The Feds fucked the dog, big time.

Thank you for mentioning the La LDWF. They did a spectacular job. And virtually no credit.

195 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:15:53pm

re: #1 Obdicut

Does any superhero have a sidekick that's older than them?

I bet someone's already written a book on superhero sidekicks.


[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

196 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:18:03pm

The future is here!

The past year in Haiti has been marked by the slow pace of the earthquake recovery. But the poorest nation in the hemisphere is moving quickly on something else — setting up "mobile money" networks to allow cell phones to serve as debit cards.

The systems have the potential to allow Haitians to receive remittances from abroad, send cash to relatives across town or across the country, buy groceries and even pay for a bus ride all with a few taps on their cell phones.

Paying By Cell Phone

Larousse Dorcent runs a small grocery store from a shipping container in a dusty slum above the Haitian port city of Saint Marc. Pigs and chickens wander freely through the neighborhood. It looks like a place that technology forgot — except that for the past two months, customers at Dorcent's shop have been able to pay by cell phone.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:19:11pm

re: #195 SpaceJesus

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Battle Pope?

oh Geez . . . .

Let the frivolity and mirth begin.

I'll start

Pope on a Rope

198 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:23:01pm

re: #194 reine.de.tout

Thank you for mentioning the La LDWF. They did a spectacular job. And virtually no credit.

No shit. They were dragging people out of houses on the afternoon of the flood. I was sent in as part of a Texas strike team on the Saturday after.

Horrible. Awful. Brutal. My personal mental breaking point. Thank god for anti-depressants.

I never thought that brain chemistry could be affected by physical events.

Katrina did it.

199 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:23:31pm

My last post had a secret message. Especially the part about "Lieutenant Colonel Carlos Enrique Villanueva ordered the assassination of Cafrune" in 1978. Seems kind of... relevant.

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:23:46pm

Taco Bell Enlists Superheroes To Bite Back At Beef Lawsuit


When Hunger Calls!

Super-Delicious Ingredient Force, defending tastebuds thru-out the US and Canada.

201 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:27:35pm

re: #198 austin_blue

No shit. They were dragging people out of houses on the afternoon of the flood. I was sent in as part of a Texas strike team on the Saturday after.

Horrible. Awful. Brutal. My personal mental breaking point. Thank god for anti-depressants.

I never thought that brain chemistry could be affected by physical events.

Katrina did it.

Kudos to you for seeking help! Too many don't.

202 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:31:40pm

re: #201 ggt

Kudos to you for seeking help! Too many don't.

Too many are dead.

203 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:36:09pm
204 Gus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:42:41pm
205 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:44:51pm

re: #197 ggt


I owned the whole series at one point. Great stuff.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 10:49:27pm

re: #205 SpaceJesus

I owned the whole series at one point. Great stuff.

Is it anything like the Vatican Assassin?

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jan 30, 2011 11:22:28pm

Have a great night/morning all!

208 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 1:34:53am

Protest’s Old Guard Falls In Behind the Young (NYT)

Surprised by the turnout, older opposition leaders from across the spectrum — including the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood; the liberal protest group the Egyptian Movement for Change, known by its slogan, “Enough”; and the umbrella group organized by Dr. ElBaradei — joined in, vowing to turn out their supporters for another day of protest on Friday. But the same handful of young online organizers were still calling the shots.

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 1:57:34am

Set the Wayback Machine to 1953, Sherman!

210 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:03:28am

Clinton calls top envoys from nearly all 260 embassies to unprecedented mass meeting Mon

[Link: www.google.com...]

211 researchok  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:04:52am

Morning, all

213 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:16:59am

Military still holding major power, interrogating and prosecuting people (formally on charges of violating curfew):

[Link: dailynewsegypt.wordpress.com...]

214 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:24:29am

Opposition Rallies to ElBaradei as Military Reinforces in Cairo (NYT)

Since the uprising began last week, the Brotherhood has taken part in the protests but shied away from a leadership role, though that appeared to change Sunday. Mohammed el-Beltagui, a key Brotherhood leader and former Parliament member, said an alliance of the protest’s more youthful leaders and older opposition figures had met again in an attempt to assemble a more unified front with a joint committee.

It included Dr. ElBaradei, along with other prominent figures like Ayman Nour and Osama al-Ghazali Harb, who have struggled to build a popular following. By far, the Brotherhood represents the most powerful force, but Mr. Beltagui and another Brotherhood official, Mohamed el-Katatni, said the group understood the implications of seeking leadership in a country still deeply divided over its religious program.

“We’re supporting ElBaradei to lead the path to change,” Mr. Beltagui said as he joined him in Liberation Square. “The Brotherhood realizes the sensitivities, especially in the West, towards the Islamists, and we’re not keen to be at the forefront.”

“We’re trying to build a democratic arena before we start playing in it,” he said.

215 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:31:46am

Way ahead in Egypt poses problems for U.S. (Politico)

But the overriding mood in Washington Sunday remained a cautious optimism that the secular forces visibly leading the protests over the last six days would be central to any new leadership, and that the Brotherhood – which many observers say has learned to accept ordinary political life – would be only part of the picture.

“Egypt is not Iran. [The Muslim Brotherhood] don’t have a charismatic leader and they’re not playing a dominant role in the opposition,” former New Hampshire Republican Sen. Judd Gregg, who focused on American aid to Egypt during his time in Congress, told POLITICO.

“This is a country that is full of sophisticated, well-educated people,” he said, saying he was hopeful that any new Egyptian government – and its military — would realize that for economic and political reasons, “it’s in their interest” to maintain a close alliance with the United States.

Yet some American and Israeli conservatives Sunday bluntly raised the likelihood that the largest Arab state would soon be run by anti-American Islamists. Barry Rubin, a political scientist at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya, Israel, pointed out that large majorities of Egyptians say they favor the harsh legal system backed by Islamists, and predicted that if Mubarak falls, “the Brotherhood will emerge as the leader and perhaps the ruler of the country.”

The Brotherhood in power, he predicted, would mean “renewed warfare [with Israel], overwhelming anti-Americanism, efforts to spread revolution to other moderate states, a potential alignment with Iran and Syria (though that might not happen), incredible damage to Western interests. In short – a real disaster.”

“What shocks me is that Western media and experts seem so carried away by this [protest] movement that they are only considering a best-case outcome,” he said.

But many other regional specialists downplayed the parallels both to the national climate and to the revolutionary moment that produced the Islamic Republic of Iran after the 1977 revolution, and said instead that the Brotherhood would likely be just one partner in a post-Mubarak Egypt.

The Brotherhood “is going to have to be part of the political scene and is going to have to participate,” said Michele Dunne, a scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, who has been among those pushing the White House for months to plan for transition in Egypt. “[T]here is no other way to have democratic change. That being said, it is by no means a foregone conclusion that in any democratic openings the Brotherhood takes control or rises to the fore. They are not the main force leading this whole uprising.”

[…]

Of course, a transition to democracy or anything resembling it is far from assured. The Egyptian Army, a key force, appeared uncommitted to a clear path as of Sunday, and analysts view the replacement of Mubarak by a new, military dictatorship as a possibility.

Heritage Foundation defense scholar James Carafano wrote Sunday that repressive Islamist government and totalitarian military control were dual “worst-case” scenarios, while hoping for “a transition government that restores the rule of law; ends the violence; establishes foundation for reforms in civil society and a more liberal economy.”

216 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:34:00am

re: #214 000G


That same dude, Beltagui, was apparently part of the "Freedom Flotilla" that attempted to run the blockage on Gaza, and talked quite a bit of insane shit about it:

[Link: www.zawya.com...]

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:41:23am

re: #33 avanti

Redstate: It's the unions !

"Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting."

Man I want what they're smoking

218 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:41:38am

re: #216 Obdicut

Important to watch Alexandria today and to look for clues how it's related or unrelated to the mega protest planned for Tuesday.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:57:23am

re: #33 avanti

Redstate: It's the unions !

"Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting."

I think they means "signs" in the sense of ones being held up at a Tea Party rally.

221 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 3:55:14am

re: #199 Gus 802

My last post had a secret message. Especially the part about "Lieutenant Colonel Carlos Enrique Villanueva ordered the assassination of Cafrune" in 1978. Seems kind of... relevant.

It also follows the requirement that all Spanish songs be constructed of a 50% mix of "Alma", "Sueno", "Amor" and "Corazon". (And , yes, fuck the fascist bastards wherever they are found.)

222 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:44:54am

Your doze of weirdness for today. I think no translation is needed, just one comment: this is not a comedy show or anything, it's a popular "medical" show on the central Russian channel. Warning: watching may lead to jaw injuries.

223 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:49:13am

re: #222 Sergey Romanov

Your doze of weirdness for today. I think no translation is needed, just one comment: this is not a comedy show or anything, it's a popular "medical" show on the central Russian channel. Warning: watching may lead to jaw injuries.


[Video]

What is the rabbi doing on that show?

224 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:53:19am

re: #223 Alouette

What is the rabbi doing on that show?

He's a judge on "Russia's Top Mohel".

225 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:53:35am

re: #222 Sergey Romanov

I am so confused. What is supposed to be happening?

226 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:53:56am

re: #222 Sergey Romanov

Your doze of weirdness for today. I think no translation is needed, just one comment: this is not a comedy show or anything, it's a popular "medical" show on the central Russian channel. Warning: watching may lead to jaw injuries.


[Video]

What in the word was going on?
I think I recognized "microbe" near the end.
Were those sequins supposed to be microbes of some sort falling onto her head?
And why did they need to cut her shirt like that?

227 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:55:21am

re: #223 Alouette

This was a program about Judaic medicinal traditions (they have this TV cycle for different religions/peoples; here's the page for this episode: [Link: www.zdorovieinfo.ru...] ). The Rabbi is Aleksandr Boroda, President of FEOR (Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia; [Link: www.feor.ru...] )

228 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:55:49am

re: #225 Obdicut

Uh. Circumcision ;)

229 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:56:31am

re: #228 Sergey Romanov

Oh. Oh. Um. Oh. What?

That wasn't exactly ah, er, respectful treatment.

230 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:56:40am

re: #224 Decatur Deb

He's a judge on "Russia's Top Mohel".

Hahaha! :D

231 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:57:30am

re: #227 Sergey Romanov

This was a program about Judaic medicinal traditions (they have this TV cycle for different religions/peoples; here's the page for this episode: [Link: www.zdorovieinfo.ru...] ). The Rabbi is Aleksandr Boroda, President of FEOR (Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia; [Link: www.feor.ru...] )

I didn't know Maimonides recommended pouring sequins down the open top of turtlenecks, but, whatever. My son used to work for FJC, so he probably knows Rabbi Boroda.

232 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:58:16am

re: #229 Obdicut

Oh. Oh. Um. Oh. What?

That wasn't exactly ah, er, respectful treatment.

Ya think?! :)

233 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 4:58:36am

re: #228 Sergey Romanov

Uh. Circumcision ;)

Wait, what!

OK, I get the part about the turtleneck, but what about the sequins?

234 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:00:03am

re: #233 Alouette

Wait, what!

OK, I get the part about the turtleneck, but what about the sequins?

Microbes. The show is actually trying to make an hygenic point?

235 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:00:29am

re: #231 Alouette

I didn't know Maimonides recommended pouring sequins down the open top of turtlenecks, but, whatever. My son used to work for FJC, so he probably knows Rabbi Boroda.

There's this FJC - [Link: www.fjc.ru...] - which is different from FEOR (FEOR is for Russia, FJC is for CIS). Was your son in the former or the latter?

236 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:00:54am

re: #233 Alouette

Wait, what!

OK, I get the part about the turtleneck, but what about the sequins?

Phimosis.

237 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:01:58am

Note that she actually seems to cut of some of the woman's hair. Never thought she's such a weirdo.

238 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:02:42am

re: #228 Sergey Romanov

Uh. Circumcision ;)

Looks like I got troll(ololo)ed. ;)

239 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:05:33am

re: #235 Sergey Romanov

There's this FJC - [Link: www.fjc.ru...] - which is different from FEOR (FEOR is for Russia, FJC is for CIS). Was your son in the former or the latter?

My son worked for Rabbi Lazar in Moscow. However, he left Russia in 2009 and lives in New York now.

240 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:06:21am

re: #236 Sergey Romanov

Phimosis.

Sparkly!

241 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:06:44am

re: #238 laZardo

Looks like I got troll(ololo)ed. ;)

Speaking of this, do you know if this comic can be explained by some new meme?

[Link: www.explosm.net...]

242 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:07:08am

re: #237 Sergey Romanov

This clip is so weird, I think I will blog it.

243 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:07:37am

re: #226 reine.de.tout

What in the word was going on?
I think I recognized "microbe" near the end.
Were those sequins supposed to be microbes of some sort falling onto her head?
And why did they need to cut her shirt like that?


re: #228 Sergey Romanov

Uh. Circumcision ;)

so that's why they cut her shirt.
Weird, weird, weird.

Why didn't they just show a chart or a graphic or something?

244 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:09:55am

Watch as we cut the shirt of a giant penis. With sequins. Film at 11.
LOL.

245 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:10:30am

re: #244 reine.de.tout

"BTW the penis is a woman."

246 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:10:40am

re: #242 Alouette

This clip is so weird, I think I will blog it.

LOL, it has already gone viral here, so I guess it's next "Mr. Trololo" - Dr. Trololo, in this case.

PS: Notably, the program itself is not that bad. It tries to explain Kashrut and some other Judaic laws in positive commonsensical light (e.g. mixing of milk and meat is apparently bad etc.).

247 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:10:59am

re: #241 Sergey Romanov

Speaking of this, do you know if this comic can be explained by some new meme?

[Link: www.explosm.net...]

My guess is, the artist doesn't get it either.

248 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:12:46am

re: #247 laZardo

My guess is, the artist doesn't get it either.

It's a slap at the juvenile crap on Youtube, and a possible reference to "LoLcats". It's not XKCD.

249 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:14:10am

SERGEY -
No one in the audience was laughing.
They all looked so serious.

250 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:15:34am

re: #249 reine.de.tout

SERGEY -
No one in the audience was laughing.
They all looked so serious.

Personally, I would've been shocked into silence too. But don't forget - with montage everything is possible.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:18:00am

re: #247 laZardo

My guess is, the artist doesn't get it either.

It's just usually their cartoons make sense.

252 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:18:06am

Al Jazeera English now reporting on the difficulty of this Egypt situation for the Obama administration.

253 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:18:42am

And now Suleiman says Mubarak should go away.

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:18:50am

It's over.

255 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:19:31am

Some stalker asshole has shown up at my blog crying that Charles is deliberately ignoring the imminent Islamic takeover of Egypt.

Do I make fun of it, ignore it, or ban it?

256 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:19:38am

re: #254 Sergey Romanov

It's over.

Yes.
Actually it's been over for several days, IMO.
It's just a matter of getting the deailts worked out it seems.

257 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:19:48am

Details.
duh.

258 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:20:11am

re: #254 Sergey Romanov

It's over.

OK, that was premature, but that's what some local papers say according to Interfax:

[Link: www.rian.ru...]

259 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:20:11am

HIIIIGHWAY TO THE DANGER ZONE~

China's state broadcaster used footage that appears to have been taken from a Hollywood film in one of its news reports - but not for the first time.

A China Central Television story about the country's air force showed an explosion that was identical to a scene from the 1986 film Top Gun.

The broadcaster often uses film clips in its news reports.

A person familiar with the company said it was currently trying to set up a system to contain this situation.

The disputed scene was aired on CCTV's main news bulletin on 23 January.

It was in a report about a training exercise undertaken by the People's Liberation Army's air force.

260 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:20:21am

re: #255 Alouette

Some stalker asshole has shown up at my blog crying that Charles is deliberately ignoring the imminent Islamic takeover of Egypt.

Do I make fun of it, ignore it, or ban it?

IGNORING it!
WTF?
Ban it. Just let it out of its (and your) misery.

261 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:20:38am

re: #255 Alouette

Some stalker asshole has shown up at my blog crying that Charles is deliberately ignoring the imminent Islamic takeover of Egypt.

Do I make fun of it, ignore it, or ban it?

Fun!

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:22:04am

Eng. trans.: [Link: en.rian.ru...]

263 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:22:44am

re: #260 reine.de.tout

IGNORING it!
WTF?
Ban it. Just let it out of its (and your) misery.

I think we've done about 2000 contentious comments on that, but WTH.

264 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:23:38am

re: #263 Decatur Deb

I think we've done about 2000 contentious comments on that, but WTH.

People see what they want to see.

265 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:24:16am

OK, some fun. Whatever Mork posts at VB, I will respond with "nanu nanu"

266 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:25:23am

re: #265 Alouette

OK, some fun. Whatever Mork posts at VB, I will respond with "nanu nanu"

Try to illustrate that with screenshots of Exedor.

267 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:27:17am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Make that "Exidor".

[Link: www.citytv.com...]

269 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:28:17am
We are concerned by the shutdown of #Al-Jazeera in #Egypt and arrest of its correspondents. Egypt must be open and the reporters released.


[Link: twitter.com...]

270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:35:28am

re: #252 reine.de.tout

Al Jazeera English now reporting on the difficulty of this Egypt situation for the Obama administration.

This would be difficult for any administration.

271 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:43:31am

The onion network on the Today Show:

272 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:44:28am

re: #270 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This would be difficult for any administration.

But is a great opportunity for political enemies and armchair quarterback political hacks to take shots at the administration. Just like was done to George W Bush!

And Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman... oh, you know what I mean.

273 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:49:40am

How many times is CA going to export their nuts around the country before we officially put them in the crazy redneck category?

Man held over threat to Dearborn mosque: police


CHICAGO - A man found with explosives outside one of the nation's largest mosques in suburban Detroit is in jail facing felony charges, police said on Sunday.

Roger Stockham, 63, of California, was arrested with explosives last Monday outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan, and faces felony charges that carry up to 35 years in prison, Dearborn police told Reuters by phone.

Stockham was arraigned on January 26 on one felony count of making a false report or terrorist threat and one count of possessing explosives with unlawful intent.

He carried class-C fireworks -- called "consumer fireworks" by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, a police source said.

The nut had a trunk full of fireworks and thought that was somehow going to be enough to blow up a building.

274 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:50:16am

re: #273 RogueOne

Forgot the link:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:50:30am

1:40pm: With the internet blackout still hindering access for most people in Egypt, a new service could help circumvent those obstacles. Now, people inside Egypt can call a number to post a "voice tweet".

Call +16504194196, +390662207294 or +97316199855 to leave a tweet and hear tweets.

[Link: blogs.aljazeera.net...]

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:50:33am

re: #273 RogueOne

A bunch of those lame "snakes".

277 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:51:18am

re: #273 RogueOne

Huh? California has tons of rednecks. It's chock full of 'em.

Some of them awesome people living simple lives far away from the mainstream, some yammering whabbos drinkin' bigotry and miseducation like it was the finest grain alcohol.

278 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:53:58am

re: #271 RogueOne

The onion network on the Today Show:
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

They actually raised the "Today" effort to their own level. Loved the "News Faced-off".

279 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:56:28am

Has anyone seen "Dinner for Shmucks"? I watched it last night.

280 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:57:23am

re: #276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

A bunch of those lame "snakes".

He had a trunk full of M-80's. The man has some issues, it shouldn't be funny but it is... Thankfully this loon didn't have a gun.

281 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:57:52am

re: #279 Alouette

I liked it, it wasn't bad.

282 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:58:24am

re: #280 RogueOne

I wish work accidents against all those who would attempt to perpetrate such evils.

283 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:58:45am

re: #281 RogueOne

I liked it, it wasn't bad.

It started out lame, but then things got crazy.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 5:59:16am

re: #279 Alouette

Has anyone seen "Dinner for Shmucks"? I watched it last night.

I'll bite.

Saw it and liked it much more about three hours after I left the theater. While I was there? Thought it was mean.

285 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:01:59am

re: #277 Obdicut

Huh? California has tons of rednecks. It's chock full of 'em.

Some of them awesome people living simple lives far away from the mainstream, some yammering whabbos drinkin' bigotry and miseducation like it was the finest grain alcohol.

I used to live in Elk Grove, which was separated from Sacramento by Folsom and suburbs in between. My community college was essentially on the border of Deliverance and Da Hood.

286 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:04:29am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bite.

Saw it and liked it much more about three hours after I left the theater. While I was there? Thought it was mean.

You can eat my pudding.

287 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:05:20am

#
1400: BBC Monitoring reports that the official and pro-government newspapers in the Middle East are looking nervously at the implications of the Egyptian unrest. In the Jordanian daily, al-Rai, Sultan al-Hattab writes: "The influenza for change is blowing in some Arab countries and is causing deaths." An editorial in Algeria's al-Fadjr says: "We will without a doubt come to know new patterns of democracy that do not come as a result of US tanks… Rather, a democracy of different standards - one that does not guarantee US interests or Israel's security."

288 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:06:24am

the big one is coming
the Blizzard of '11....
the NM mountains expect 2 ft of snow
it's gonna blow across the entire country...
Chicago might get 20in, blizzard conditions, zero visibility
and then on toward the east all the way to New England
a wopper

289 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:06:39am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bite.

Saw it and liked it much more about three hours after I left the theater. While I was there? Thought it was mean.

It was supposed to be mean, but then the designated shmuck turns the tables on everyone.

Jeff Dunham and his "girlfriend" were a treat.

290 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:07:42am

Juju's message to Mubarak.

291 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:08:00am

re: #288 albusteve

the big one is coming
the Blizzard of '11...
the NM mountains expect 2 ft of snow
it's gonna blow across the entire country...
Chicago might get 20in, blizzard conditions, zero visibility
and then on toward the east all the way to New England
a wopper

Just in time to put my shiny new 4 wheel drive to the test. :)

293 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:08:49am

re: #289 Alouette

I loved the blind swordsman and the artist.

294 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:09:43am

Protesters Demand Army Choose Sides

Protesters have demanded that the Egyptian army choose sides in the uprising by Thursday.

"We the people and the youth of Egypt demand that our brothers in the national armed forces clearly define their stance by either lining up with the real legitimacy provided by millions of Egyptians on strike on the streets, or standing in the camp of the regime that has killed our people, terrorized them and stole from them," reads the statement, via Al-Masry Al-Youm.

295 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:09:46am

re: #269 000G

[Link: twitter.com...]

SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Al Arabiya: Following a request from the US State Department (Foreign Affairs Ministry) Al Jazeera's journalists have been released.

296 BishopX  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:10:04am

re: #295 reine.de.tout

Good!

297 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:10:38am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bite.

Saw it and liked it much more about three hours after I left the theater. While I was there? Thought it was mean.

I thought so too.

298 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:11:59am

re: #269 000G

[Link: twitter.com...]

May I ask - how do you isolate one tweet like that, that you can link to?
I have not been able to figure out the combination of things to hit to get to something like that.

299 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:12:57am

re: #296 BishopX

Good!

Their equipment was confiscated, but apparently the people have been released.

301 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:14:19am

re: #298 reine.de.tout

May I ask - how do you isolate one tweet like that, that you can link to?
I have not been able to figure out the combination of things to hit to get to something like that.

Click on where it says "1 minute ago" or something like that underneath the tweet, that is a permalink to the tweet.

302 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:14:47am

re: #301 000G

Click on where it says "1 minute ago" or something like that underneath the tweet, that is a permalink to the tweet.

aha!
Thank you.

303 BishopX  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:15:30am

re: #299 reine.de.tout

Their equipment was confiscated, but apparently the people have been released.

It's good because it means the US has some sway over the military, not necessarily because it got the AJ people released (although that is also a good thing).

305 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:24:54am
306 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:27:15am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Bum link?

It's Mondoweiss. He's a bum.

307 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:28:11am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Bum link?

Here, I just put up a page. The link there works.

308 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:28:48am

re: #306 Alouette

It's Mondoweiss. He's a bum.

Who is Mondoweiss?
Not familiar . . .
The article is by someone named Achmed Moor.

309 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:30:57am

re: #308 reine.de.tout

Who is Mondoweiss?
Not familiar . . .
The article is by someone named Achmed Moor.

Dr. appt, I have to leave.
I'll check back.

If the link and the page need to be deleted, someone, please report to Charles. Thanks.

310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:33:19am

re: #297 reine.de.tout

I thought so too.

Short of physical harm, I have always thought that the most evil thing that one human can do to another is to make them suffer humiliation. I try not to participate in it, and certainly do not go looking for it.

That's why (I think) reality TV does not attract me. It's like everyone is supposed to get the joke, except for the poor schmuck on screen.

311 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:36:10am

re: #308 reine.de.tout

Who is Mondoweiss?
Not familiar . . .
The article is by someone named Achmed Moor.

Mondoweiss is an anti-Israel blogger who likes to remind everyone he's a Joo so he can't be an anti-Semite. He really hates him some Zionists.

312 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:36:15am

re: #42 Talking Point Detective

Creationism Still Advocated in H.S. Biology Classes, Study Finds.

When I work with international graduate teaching assistants, and tell them that some percentage of the undergrads in their classes believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old and don't believe in the theory of evolution, they giggle in disbelief.

When last night someone posted a comment that freaks like Jack Kingston don't believe in evolution because it isn't being taught in schools, I disagreed.

Sad to say, I was completely wrong.

My nephew, who's goes to a priivate catholic high school, posted on facebook last night that his homework was to copy something about chemistry from wikipedia and put it in a powerpoint. I helpfully gave him a link to Conservapedia, saying their lack of information would make his search much easier (eg: Conservapedia's page on physical chemistry). A few minutes later, he posted back, "HAHAHA they think humans walked with dinosaurs? Who wrote this site?" (I also gave him a dinosaur link for grins and giggles). Kid's fairly conservative - loves Sean Hannity - so it was refreshing to see him mocking those whose political ideology he admires. There's still hope for him.

313 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:37:30am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The only "reality TV" show that I could consider reality is The Amazing Race, if only because despite the relatively guided courses, it does take place in reality..

314 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:39:02am

re: #312 darthstar

Kid's fairly conservative - loves Sean Hannity - so it was refreshing to see him mocking those whose political ideology he admires. There's still hope for him.

Sounds like me circa 2004-7. Only not quite Hannity-fanatic.

And I'm still sorry for voting McCain. ;_;

315 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:40:45am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Short of physical harm, I have always thought that the most evil thing that one human can do to another is to make them suffer humiliation. I try not to participate in it, and certainly do not go looking for it.

That's why (I think) reality TV does not attract me. It's like everyone is supposed to get the joke, except for the poor schmuck on screen.

The poor shmucks on reality TV are all in on the joke. They're down with it because hey, they get to be on TV!

The poor shmucks who appear before Judge Judy are paid actors and actresses. I think most of the courtroom TV shows are staged. There may be some that are "reality" but I can't think of any. I know that when I was in high school, some of the kids auditioned for gigs on "Juvenile Court" even though they weren't actually in juvie.

316 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:46:53am

Another upstanding Arizona citizen being wrongly persecuted for a simple, innocent hobby. Even his social club, the National Socialist Movement, is distancing themselves from him.

Poor bastard.
/

317 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:48:01am

re: #316 darthstar

Another upstanding Arizona citizen being wrongly persecuted for a simple, innocent hobby. Even his social club, the National Socialist Movement, is distancing themselves from him.

Poor bastard.
/

Oh...I forgot to mention this detail: Jeffrey Harbin of Apache Junction had 12 grenade-like improvised explosive devices built with PVC pipe filled with black powder, ball bearings and an improvised fusing system.

318 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:50:44am

re: #315 Alouette

How are you feeling? Soreness fading I hope?
Reality shows are a darling of the media companies-Cheap to make. Let's them off the hook for all kinds of expenses.

319 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:51:14am

re: #317 darthstar

And now suppose for a second that the prosecutors fucked up and the charges are dropped. Will anyone argue that the fucker should be indefinitely detained and tortured?

320 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:51:59am

re: #319 Sergey Romanov

And now suppose for a second that the prosecutors fucked up and the charges are dropped. Will anyone argue that the fucker should be indefinitely detained and tortured?

He's white. We don't do that to American Xians.

321 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:54:08am

re: #318 Rightwingconspirator

How are you feeling? Soreness fading I hope?
Reality shows are a darling of the media companies-Cheap to make. Let's them off the hook for all kinds of expenses.

Feeling better every day. I actually drove at the posted speed limit this morning!

Didn't reality shows get started during the TV writers strike? The producers decided they didn't need no stinkin' writers and no stinkin' actors either.

322 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:54:29am

re: #320 darthstar

He's white. We don't do that to American Xians.

Strcitly speaking, Arabs are white too. So you don't do that to upright European-American Christians. ;)

323 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:55:06am

re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Short of physical harm, I have always thought that the most evil thing that one human can do to another is to make them suffer humiliation. I try not to participate in it, and certainly do not go looking for it.

That's why (I think) reality TV does not attract me. It's like everyone is supposed to get the joke, except for the poor schmuck on screen.

I'm the same way. All reality TV (except home improvement) raises my blood pressure. My wife likes to watch a lot of it. I use that as my excuse to go play video games!

324 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:57:48am

re: #322 Sergey Romanov

Strcitly speaking, Arabs are white too. So you don't do that to upright European-American Christians. ;)

I don't do it to anybody - I meant 'we' as in 'America'...And yes, sadly, a euro-centric ancestry is considered an asset.

325 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 6:57:49am

re: #319 Sergey Romanov

And now suppose for a second that the prosecutors fucked up and the charges are dropped. Will anyone argue that the fucker should be indefinitely detained and tortured?

Was he caught in a war zone trying to kill US soldiers?

326 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:00:10am

re: #325 RogueOne

Was he caught in a war zone trying to kill US soldiers?

Well, there was that other white guy arrested near an Islamic Center in Michigan with explosives the other day...oh, wait, that doesn't count either.

327 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:00:14am

re: #321 Alouette
Glad you are healing well!
I think they started before then but really took off for exactly the reason you wrote. That "we don't need no stinkin' writers" attitude is terribly pervasive. Hence so few truly original plots. Movies and TV shows. In my zip code ya hear all about it from friends and neighbors who get screwed by this attitude.

328 darthstar  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:01:47am

Curse you, 7am! Already? Damn...time to go run with the dogs before going to work. This getting in shape shit is hard work!

330 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:01:55am

re: #325 RogueOne

Was he caught in a war zone trying to kill US soldiers?

How is this relevant to refutation of the wingnut utilitarian argument that "even if we can't try them because we fucked up torturing them, we still can't let these people go"? Right, it's not relevant. If you can let this terrorist go, you can let other suspects go.

331 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:02:02am

re: #326 darthstar

Well, there was that other white guy arrested near an Islamic Center in Michigan with explosives the other day...oh, wait, that doesn't count either.

We didn't keep him locked up after he threatened to kill the last president and blow up a VA clinic so I'm not understanding your beef.

332 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:03:03am

re: #330 Sergey Romanov

How is this relevant to refutation of the wingnut utilitarian argument that "even if we can't try them because we fucked up torturing them, we still can't let these people go"? Right, it's not relevant. If you can let this terrorist go, you can let other suspects go.

because there is a difference between a US citizen picked up on US soil for violating US law? I know, nuance.

333 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:03:27am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We're under yet another storm watch as snow and a serious ice storm is expected tomorrow through Thursday (eh, it's winter, and we've had snow on the ground continuously since December). Still, it's going to make for hazardous driving conditions (moreso than usual) and air travel will be affected through the week.

Still, this is nothing compared to what's going on in Egypt and their ongoing riots and demonstrations against Mubarak. They show no sign of abating.

Meanwhile, Iran is gearing up for the annual unveiling of their latest and greatest weapons/missile tech that coincides with their annual commemoration of overthrowing the Shah in 1979. They're showing off a new rocket that is intended to launch satellites into a low earth orbit and a short range missile.

334 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:04:31am

re: #332 RogueOne

because there is a difference between a US citizen picked up on US soil for violating US law? I know, nuance.

What difference, the terrorist who is a US citizen is less dangerous?

335 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:06:27am

re: #333 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We're under yet another storm watch as snow and a serious ice storm is expected tomorrow through Thursday (eh, it's winter, and we've had snow on the ground continuously since December). Still, it's going to make for hazardous driving conditions (moreso than usual) and air travel will be affected through the week.

Still, this is nothing compared to what's going on in Egypt and their ongoing riots and demonstrations against Mubarak. They show no sign of abating.

Meanwhile, Iran is gearing up for the annual unveiling of their latest and greatest weapons/missile tech that coincides with their annual commemoration of overthrowing the Shah in 1979. They're showing off a new rocket that is intended to launch satellites into a low earth orbit and a short range missile.

Have you watched the "Unions are deliberately snowing us in" meme coming apart?

336 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:20:46am

re: #334 Sergey Romanov

Not necessarily but the rules are completely different for the treatment of US citizens accused of breaking US law. Hence the mini uproar over the Obama decision on Anwar al-Awlaki.

337 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:20:49am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

Have you watched the "Unions are deliberately snowing us in" meme coming apart?

That's just a cover story for when their tow trucks and front-loaders come for our SUVs...

;)

338 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:22:11am

re: #337 oaktree

That's just a cover story for when their tow trucks and front-loaders come for our SUVs...

;)

339 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:23:45am

re: #337 oaktree

That's just a cover story for when their tow trucks and front-loaders come for our SUVs...

;)

Heh. Here's the NYT--"Evidence is elusive" (polite oldspeak for "bullshit"):

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

340 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:24:41am

I don't see what the problem is.

I think that violating the most central tenants of our Constitution, conducting activities that have proven illegal in American courts, appearing to the rest of the world as hypocrites and undermining our credibility and moral authority, and handing to jihadis what terrorist experts almost universally agree is an effective recruitment tool is just fine.

I mean, its just fine if its a non-citizen we're torturing or imprisoning, of course.

If they're a citizen, it's not cool.

Citizenship status is a legitimate reason to do a complete reversal on the underlying moral, legal, and strategic rational for what we sanction as official policy.

341 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:25:56am

re: #340 Talking Point Detective

er.... tenets.

342 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:26:43am

re: #336 RogueOne

Not necessarily but the rules are completely different for the treatment of US citizens accused of breaking US law. Hence the mini uproar over the Obama decision on Anwar al-Awlaki.

In both cases laws are broken, so from the POV of the utilitarian argument ("but but but they will do it again") there is no difference.

343 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:28:22am

re: #338 RogueOne

"When I say 'alternate side of the street', I mean alternate side of the freakin' street."

344 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:35:20am

re: #343 Decatur Deb

"When I say 'alternate side of the street', I mean alternate side of the freakin' street."

I am very glad that I live in a place where parking is abundant, and drivers do not have to compete for a sidewalk space for their vehicles.

Of course my car lives in the garage, which means Zedushka can no longer smoke in there. His choices of smoking chambers are: 1) his car 2) my old wrecked car (until it gets towed) 3) the great outdoors.

He claims that I am abusive and oppressive.

345 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:37:18am

re: #344 Alouette

I am very glad that I live in a place where parking is abundant, and drivers do not have to compete for a sidewalk space for their vehicles.

Of course my car lives in the garage, which means Zedushka can no longer smoke in there. His choices of smoking chambers are: 1) his car 2) my old wrecked car (until it gets towed) 3) the great outdoors.

He claims that I am abusive and oppressive.

Hope you can get the smoke out of the garage--bad place to smoke anyway, if you have fuels and lubricants stored.

346 iossarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:41:25am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

Heh. Here's the NYT--"Evidence is elusive" (polite oldspeak for "bullshit"):

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Ha. Great hatchet job on the councilman involved.

347 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:43:47am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

I know that the investigations by prosecutors is continuing, but Holloran's position is looking increasingly dubious. He was supposed to go before one of the panels last week, but that had to be canceled because of last week's snowstorm. The investigators are finding it extremely difficult to track down anyone who can corroborate the claims that the unions were engaged in some form of a work action.

To me, the city's poor reaction to the Boxing Day Blizzard was the result of the singular failure to declare a snow emergency by Bloomberg that would have let the city and all the relevant agencies know that they had to gear up in a serious way to deal with the snow and to get their equipment in place to deal with the impending storm. That failure led to a sequential failure to deal with primary roads that were clogged with snow and that led to secondary and tertiary roads not being cleared at all for days on end. The MTA likewise didn't raise its alert level in a timely fashion and that led to a near complete shutdown of its rail, subway, and bus service for the entire region.

348 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:43:48am

re: #345 Decatur Deb

Hope you can get the smoke out of the garage--bad place to smoke anyway, if you have fuels and lubricants stored.

I had to wait to drive my new SUV into the garage while he enjoyed a last cigarette. You would think he was about to face a firing squad!

349 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:45:37am

re: #346 iossarian

Ha. Great hatchet job on the councilman involved.

Yeah--If you want to play in the street, you should make sure your underwear is clean. Here's the part that struck me: "a neo-pagan faith that draws from pre-Christian tribal religions of northern Europe," Could be a tree-hugger, could be an Odinist.

350 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:45:42am

re: #342 Sergey Romanov

[Link: www.icrc.org...]


...They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.

Add to that that US citizens accused of violating US law on US soil are not covered by the geneva conventions and I'm not seeing anything remotely similar between the two issues.

351 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:46:50am

The US is quietly preparing for a post-Mubarak Egypt all while the US is arranging charter flights to get Americans out of Egypt while the riots and protests rage.

Mubarak seems incapable of stopping the riots and his security forces look to get back into the fray, even though the military seems to have done a more effective job of keeping the protests peaceful. Egypt will turn on whether the military goes and shuns Mubarak and shifts its power and allegiance elsewhere.

352 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:47:11am

re: #323 rwdflynavy

The wife watches all the Kardashians, Housewives of (insert town name here), make-over, Real lifes and all that stuff.

I'm glad she's otherwise wonderful, or I'd run away screaming like my hair was on fire.

353 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:47:19am

re: #344 Alouette

I am very glad that I live in a place where parking is abundant, and drivers do not have to compete for a sidewalk space for their vehicles.

Of course my car lives in the garage, which means Zedushka can no longer smoke in there. His choices of smoking chambers are: 1) his car 2) my old wrecked car (until it gets towed) 3) the great outdoors.

He claims that I am abusive and oppressive.

I've never been a fan of driving in parking lots (especially large mall parking lots) since I think there is an inverse relationship between expanse of asphalt and driver intelligence.

All the snow in the northeast has moved it from annoying to downright dangerous. People still zipping around lots with reckless abandon, but now there's the icy patch here and there (oh look, four-wheel stop, NOT). More frightening is that fact that people haven't twigged onto the fact that the high piles of snow at the edges of the lot seriously block sightlines at the intersections getting into and out of the lots.

Had cars come zipping out of nowhere from behind snowbanks twice on Saturday and almost causing collisions as they did rolling stops at Stop signs while leaving a lot.

354 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:48:30am

re: #347 lawhawk

I know that the investigations by prosecutors is continuing, but Holloran's position is looking increasingly dubious. He was supposed to go before one of the panels last week, but that had to be canceled because of last week's snowstorm. The investigators are finding it extremely difficult to track down anyone who can corroborate the claims that the unions were engaged in some form of a work action.

To me, the city's poor reaction to the Boxing Day Blizzard was the result of the singular failure to declare a snow emergency by Bloomberg that would have let the city and all the relevant agencies know that they had to gear up in a serious way to deal with the snow and to get their equipment in place to deal with the impending storm. That failure led to a sequential failure to deal with primary roads that were clogged with snow and that led to secondary and tertiary roads not being cleared at all for days on end. The MTA likewise didn't raise its alert level in a timely fashion and that led to a near complete shutdown of its rail, subway, and bus service for the entire region.

It was certainly a foul-up, but the conspiracy BS will be remembered while the facts will show up during the next heat-wave.

355 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:48:36am

Knowing some will condemn me for this, my personal ethics requires me to make a partial defense of the MB.

Bluntly, the MB is as monolithic as Freemasonry.

A fraternal organization created by a Sufi that accepts Sufi, Shia, Sunni, Kharajite, and Ahamdiyya members without objection cannot, by its own nature, be monolithic.

One of the interesting tar-brushes I see is how Hizb - the followers of Hizb ut-Tuhrir who separated from the MB back in the 1960s - still get called MB. They left/were kicked out of the MB for several reasons, two of which were the Hizb preference for forceful change (understatement) and their desire for a unified Caliph.

Are the MB saints? No. Are some members of the MB terrorists? Yes.
Are the Freemasons saints? No. Are some members terrorists? Yes (see IRA).

I won't yell or object when I see the fat brush applied, but I will think less of any analysis that uses said brush. And I thought it right to say why so others can choose to do so as well if they wish.

Reality has this habit of being messy with few clear lines.

356 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:48:57am

I keep seeing stories on MSNBC about the Mosque bomber and I have yet to hear them mention the man is mental. I think that's a big part of the story.

357 iossarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:50:31am

re: #349 Decatur Deb

Yeah--If you want to play in the street, you should make sure your underwear is clean. Here's the part that struck me: "a neo-pagan faith that draws from pre-Christian tribal religions of northern Europe," Could be a tree-hugger, could be an Odinist.

Sounds like a nutter to me. Actually, when reading the article I was trying to keep an open mind. "Come on, there might be some perfectly normal and nice Odinists out there." But then there was the whole bit about him claiming that the city was cracking down on non-permit home improvements in order to boost the revenues of contracting firms. He lost me right there.

Verdict: narcissist neo-pagan nutter.

358 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:51:07am

re: #355 kirkspencer

Isn't that a bit like arguing the Klan is really just a social club for white people to discuss their European heritage?

359 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:51:57am

re: #358 RogueOne

All those church burnings weren't about race, they just hate steeples.

360 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:51:57am

re: #358 RogueOne

Isn't that a bit like arguing the Klan is really just a social club for white people to discuss their European heritage?

No, it isn't.

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:52:16am

re: #358 RogueOne

I read that as an informed observance, not a defense.

I know so little about this stuff, I appreciated the comment. Helps me learn.

362 Lidane  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:52:21am

re: #356 RogueOne

Aren't most bombers by definition mental? Rational people don't think it's a good idea to blow other people up.

363 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:52:56am

re: #362 Lidane

Aren't most bombers by definition mental? Rational people don't think it's a good idea to blow other people up.

True, but in this mans case he's certified.

364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:53:54am

re: #363 RogueOne

True, but in this mans case he's certified.

Have they certified him "right wing" crazy? Or just crazy?

365 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:54:25am

re: #356 RogueOne

I keep seeing stories on MSNBC about the Mosque bomber and I have yet to hear them mention the man is mental. I think that's a big part of the story.

From TPM:
Alleged Mosque Plotter Had Long History Of Crime, Mental Illness

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

366 iossarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:54:26am

re: #354 Decatur Deb

It was certainly a foul-up, but the conspiracy BS will be remembered while the facts will show up during the next heat-wave.

Interesting article in the New Yorker (the financial column by James Swarorski - sp?) about low (and furthermore declining) support for unions in the US.

Made a good point that unions are caught in something of a vicious circle - as their numbers decline they are perceived more and more with envy rather than with appreciation for the (increasingly defunct) "halo effect" that they have on non-union workers.

I, for one, remain glad that I work a five-day week and get time off for sickness (in fact, working in the higher-ed industry, I get a whole lot more than that, even).

367 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:56:11am

re: #364 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have they certified him "right wing" crazy? Or just crazy?

Just crazy. He was previously arrested for threatening to kill Bush and blow up a VA clinic. He underwent a psych eval and then let back out on the streets.
[Link: www.detnews.com...]


According to federal records, Stockham pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to federal charges stemming from the case in Vermont in 2004. That included threatening the president, mailing threatening communications, threatening by use of the telephone to use explosives, and threatening witnesses.

A psychiatric examination found that Stockham suffered from bipolar disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder and personality disorder with anti-social features.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:57:31am

re: #367 RogueOne

"Are there no prisons? Are there no nuthouses?"
-Fat Bastard Scrooge

369 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:58:18am

re: #362 Lidane

Here's a philosophical question then. If you believe that your cause is just, is it rational to immolate yourself to bring more attention to your cause and rally people to the righteousness of your position? Immolation would be a facially irrational decision since your death would prevent your further actions to better your cause/position. Would the self-immolation be a sign of being mentally unstable?

There isn't much of a stretch from the guy who immolates themselves to further their cause to the suicide bomber who blows up a bunch of people for his cause.

Now, I know that there are distinctions between the two - some people who do become suicide bombers are purposefully recruited to do so because they are mentally ill/challenged/tricked into doing so. But there are also the true-believers who believe in the righteousness of their cause and the ends do justify the means even if it involves mass murder.

370 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:59:36am

re: #358 RogueOne

Isn't that a bit like arguing the Klan is really just a social club for white people to discuss their European heritage?

Sorry, I should have given a slightly larger response.

That wasn't the point at all. I was pointing out that any large international body, especially one that is explicitly established to be decentralized, cannot be monolithic. re: #366 iossarian

Interesting article in the New Yorker (the financial column by James Swarorski - sp?) about low (and furthermore declining) support for unions in the US.

Made a good point that unions are caught in something of a vicious circle - as their numbers decline they are perceived more and more with envy rather than with appreciation for the (increasingly defunct) "halo effect" that they have on non-union workers.

I, for one, remain glad that I work a five-day week and get time off for sickness (in fact, working in the higher-ed industry, I get a whole lot more than that, even).

Historically, one of the things that screwed unions in the long term was the part of the law that said when a union bargained with a company, all the employees benefited whether union members or not. Of course that clause was specifically meant as an eventual union buster, not as an unintended consequence.

371 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:59:50am

Barack Obama braces for Jon Huntsman 2012 bid
[Link: www.politico.com...]

I guess putting him on a slow boat to china didn't work.

372 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:00:36am

ugh. Sorry, folks, for mixing two responses above. They are not intended to be together but instead show my failure to pay attention.

373 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:01:27am

Repost, because really good: Mubarak's Last Breath (London Review of Books)

Excerpt on MB:

Mubarak was never close to the Brothers, but he has had to find a way to live with them, if only because they are too deeply embedded in society – and in the mosques, no-go zones for the state – to be eliminated. Their status is often described as ‘banned yet tolerated’: ‘banned’, because they would pose a serious threat to the regime if they were allowed to participate freely; ‘tolerated’, because they allow Mubarak to present himself as Egypt’s only defence against an Islamist takeover. Thus, under American pressure to open up Egypt’s political system, Mubarak permitted the Brothers to run in the 2005 legislative elections. To the horror of the liberal opposition, and of the Bush administration, they won 88 of the 160 seats they contested, a fifth of the seats in the lower house of parliament, making them the second most powerful party after Mubarak’s NDP. Since then, the US has all but dropped its pressure on Mubarak to democratise, and the Brothers have had their wings clipped. They weren’t allowed to run in the 2007 elections for the upper house; the applications of all but two dozen of the 5000 Brothers who sought to run in the 2008 municipal elections were rejected; and thugs were sent in to attack their supporters at polling stations. Hundreds of Brothers have been arrested: high-ranking moderates who have been trying to reform the Brotherhood from within are the preferred target.

The effect has been to strengthen the hand of the hardliners led by the new General Guide, Mohammed Badie, who was imprisoned with Qutb in 1965 – Badie and his acolytes are known as the Group of 1965. They consolidated their power in January’s internal elections, in which the intellectual reformer Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh lost his seat on the Brotherhood’s Guidance Council. They are disinclined to build alliances with secular forces, frown on overtures to women and Copts, and are not especially troubled by Mubarak’s dictatorship so long as it allows them to preach. They draw their support from conservative rural members, many of whom have worked in the Gulf and been influenced by Wahabbism, with its emphasis on external signs of piety and mistrust of Western-style democracy. As they see it, the openness advocated by the reformists has left the Brotherhood vulnerable to intrusions by the state, and to the temptations of secular liberalism: secrecy is the only means by which it can survive; and survival, not governing, is the principal aim. Until the day when the state falls into their hands like a rotten fruit, they prefer to avoid confrontation with it, devoting themselves instead to Islamising society (da’wa), and defending Egyptian virtue from such threats as Beyoncé, whose concert at a Red Sea resort they were lobbying to prevent when I was in Cairo last winter. They have been encouraged in this by the state, which has expanded the role of the clerics on television and in education: as Sophie Pommier argues in Egypte, l’envers du décor (2008), it’s a mistake to see the NDP as a ‘secular party whose principles are radically opposed to those of the Muslim Brotherhood’. The result is an undeclared power-sharing arrangement between Mubarak and the Brotherhood, a cat and mouse game that masks a deeper convergence of interests: both sides, after all, have reason to portray the Brothers as the only real alternative to the regime.

374 iossarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:01:46am

re: #370 kirkspencer


Historically, one of the things that screwed unions in the long term was the part of the law that said when a union bargained with a company, all the employees benefited whether union members or not. Of course that clause was specifically meant as an eventual union buster, not as an unintended consequence.

This is of course the whole crux of the "right-to-work" nonsense as well, which has benefited workers in those enlightened states so much.

375 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:01:47am

re: #371 RogueOne

Barack Obama braces for Jon Huntsman 2012 bid
[Link: www.politico.com...]

I guess putting him on a slow boat to china didn't work.

pfft. Huntsman can't get the nomination. If he could he might be a threat, but he can't - not in 2012, not while the Zealots still think they're in charge.

376 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:02:55am

re: #373 000G

The mentioned Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh was on Al Jazeera the day before yesterday, one of the first MB people they had on for interview. See other LGF threads for mention of his name.

377 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:03:20am

Happy Blizzard Day, Lizardim. What's going on in the world?

378 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:04:35am

re: #375 kirkspencer

He might. The political atmosphere now is the only reason people like Huntsman and Daniels are even getting consideration. In a election cycle fueled by a lousy economy, over-spending, and a massive trade imbalance with China, he'll have a shot.

379 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:04:42am

re: #369 lawhawk

Here's a philosophical question then. If you believe that your cause is just, is it rational to immolate yourself to bring more attention to your cause and rally people to the righteousness of your position? Immolation would be a facially irrational decision since your death would prevent your further actions to better your cause/position. Would the self-immolation be a sign of being mentally unstable?

There isn't much of a stretch from the guy who immolates themselves to further their cause to the suicide bomber who blows up a bunch of people for his cause.

Now, I know that there are distinctions between the two - some people who do become suicide bombers are purposefully recruited to do so because they are mentally ill/challenged/tricked into doing so. But there are also the true-believers who believe in the righteousness of their cause and the ends do justify the means even if it involves mass murder.

And deep belief in an afterlife really complicates the discussion. The Muslims didn't invent the cult of the martyrs.

380 RogueOne  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:05:24am

re: #377 thedopefishlives

Happy Blizzard Day, Lizardim. What's going on in the world?

Indy is waiting for their first good ice storm of the year. We usually get at least one good one and we haven't yet this season so we're due.

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:05:52am

re: #369 lawhawk

Build a fire for a man, he is warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.

382 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:06:10am

re: #356 RogueOne

I keep seeing stories on MSNBC about the Mosque bomber and I have yet to hear them mention the man is mental. I think that's a big part of the story.

Easy to explain. It's a conspiracy!

383 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:06:26am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Build a fire for a man, he is warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.

And possibly an hour or so longer.

384 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:06:56am

re: #371 RogueOne

Fuck, that'd be awesome. If Huntsman actually got nominated, that would show the first signs of sanity returning to the GOP.

Really unlikely. And if he did get the nod, his own party would be his worst enemy as president. He's a rational human being.

385 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:07:10am

re: #380 RogueOne

Indy is waiting for their first good ice storm of the year. We usually get at least one good one and we haven't yet this season so we're due.

Yeah, my folks up in Kokomo are buckling down for a big one. From what I gather, ironically enough, Minneapolis is only going to get clipped by the edge of the whole system.

386 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:07:45am

re: #384 Obdicut

Fuck, that'd be awesome. If Huntsman actually got nominated, that would show the first signs of sanity returning to the GOP.

Really unlikely. And if he did get the nod, his own party would be his worst enemy as president. He's a rational human being.

The GOP having a "Nixon to China" moment?

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:08:00am

re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Though... in Rogue's defense, Kirk opened it with "a partial defense of"...

I think a "partial defense" is an observation, devil's advocate style.

388 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:09:56am

re: #373 000G

Thanks for re-posting. I missed it the first time.

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:10:27am

We are feeling animals who think or Laughter is the Best Medicine.

How are you-all this morning?

390 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:11:43am

Time to hit the gym--BBL.

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:12:39am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

Time to hit the gym--BBL.

Upper cut to the jaw --I hate gyms too!

392 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:15:46am

re: #384 Obdicut

Fuck, that'd be awesome. If Huntsman actually got nominated, that would show the first signs of sanity returning to the GOP.

Really unlikely. And if he did get the nod, his own party would be his worst enemy as president. He's a rational human being.

It will be interesting to see, if he does run, whether he shifts lunatic to get the nomination. That will be a true test.

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:18:29am

re: #391 ggt

Boot to the head.

394 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:18:29am

re: #386 oaktree

The GOP having a "Nixon to China" moment?

Didn't they have that moment when Nixon went to China?

395 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:20:07am

re: #384 Obdicut

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Can you imagine two adults facing each other in the election - having a sane, intelligent, and respectful discussion about ideological differences? Unprecedented.

What would the sensationalist media do with themselves?

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:20:38am

re: #393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Boot to the head.

that too!

397 Slap  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:22:00am

re: #352 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm no fan of reality TV that focuses on "lifestyles", nor am I fond of the bizarre artificial competitions (survivor being the grandpappy of that type of show) -- but I have to confess, competition shows that focus on artistic skills have me hooked.

(I just wish it wasn't considered necessary to do the "who wants to be a millionaire" thingy whenever there's an elimination -- the pauses, the cod-dramatic musical spooge, "and the person going home tonight is....". Annoys the hell out of me.)

Toward that end, knowing there are many Lizards who kinda like sci-fi, there's a new one on the Syfy Network called Face Off that I highly recommend. The contestants are all aspiring film make-up artists (of the Stan Winston variety), competing for a year's contract to do film make-up and a $100K prize. Given the skills and imagination on display so far, I'd venture to say that this show will produce many "WOW!!!!!" moments. Some of these folks have stunning skills. Worth a watch!

398 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:23:36am

re: #395 Talking Point Detective

What would the sensationalist media do with themselves?

Wither and die.

And there was much rejoicing.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:23:47am

re: #397 Slap

Heh.

Spooge.

400 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:23:50am

re: #397 Slap

I'm no fan of reality TV that focuses on "lifestyles", nor am I fond of the bizarre artificial competitions (survivor being the grandpappy of that type of show) -- but I have to confess, competition shows that focus on artistic skills have me hooked.

(I just wish it wasn't considered necessary to do the "who wants to be a millionaire" thingy whenever there's an elimination -- the pauses, the cod-dramatic musical spooge, "and the person going home tonight is...". Annoys the hell out of me.)

Toward that end, knowing there are many Lizards who kinda like sci-fi, there's a new one on the Syfy Network called Face Off that I highly recommend. The contestants are all aspiring film make-up artists (of the Stan Winston variety), competing for a year's contract to do film make-up and a $100K prize. Given the skills and imagination on display so far, I'd venture to say that this show will produce many "WOW!!!" moments. Some of these folks have stunning skills. Worth a watch!

My wife and I just started watching that series and it's very cool. She thought it might be fun to watch and DVR'd it.
Awesome effects indeed! Very creative.

401 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:25:25am

What's a good snow blower to buy?

Although I expect there will be a run on Lowe's and Home Depot. I'm thinking of offering the neighbors $20 to do our driveway when they do theirs.

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:26:10am

re: #401 Alouette

What's a good snow blower to buy?

Although I expect there will be a run on Lowe's and Home Depot. I'm thinking of offering the neighbors $20 to do our driveway when they do theirs.

I think that is the best alternative.

403 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:26:21am

re: #350 RogueOne

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

...They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.

While I see that you would want to employ this passage as Mubarak employs his "emergency powers", this doesn't apply to the cases we're discussing. From the official commentary:

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

It must be emphasized most strongly, therefore, that Article 5 can only be applied in individual cases of an exceptional nature, when the existence of specific charges makes it almost certain that penal proceedings will follow. This Article should never be applied as a result of mere suspicion.

Given that we're talking about the utilitarian argument about the people who cannot be tried, this clause doesn't apply.

[Link: www.icrc.org...]

The principle that in armed conflict people may be detained without recourse to lawyers and courts is being misapplied by the US. For example, there are two categories of detainees in Guantanamo for whom long-term detention without any judicial or administrative review is not permitted by international law. First are those lawfully captured in the post-September 11 international armed conflict in Afghanistan, which ended with the installation of the Karzai government in June 2002. To the extent that hostilities continue, they amount either to an internal armed conflict or to something less than armed conflict altogether. Either way, these detainees are entitled to an individualised procedure to challenge the basis of their detention. It is ironic that the US correctly claims a right under the laws of war to detain certain people for the duration of an armed conflict, but then shirks its obligation under the very same laws to provide them with a hearing.

Second are those taken prisoner in far-flung places such as Zambia who are suspected of terrorist criminal activity, but beyond any connection with armed conflict, and are " rendered " into US custody without legal process. To subject them to the rules of detention in war contradicts both the letter and spirit of international law. People who commit hostile acts against US interests may be criminals, but are not necessarily enemy combatants. Those who commit hostile acts in the context of armed conflict may be enemy combatants, but are not necessarily criminals. Only those who commit hostile acts in the context of armed conflict but are not regular soldiers, or " privileged " combatants, can properly be considered " unlawful " or " unprivileged " combatants. While they may be prosecuted for unlawful acts of belligerence, such people, despite US assertions to the contrary, may not be denied protections of the law of armed conflict and other applicable laws.


---

Add to that that US citizens accused of violating US law on US soil are not covered by the geneva conventions


Which has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.

and I'm not seeing anything remotely similar between the two issues.

Of course you wouldn't.

The utilitarian argument is simple: let's spit on the law if "security" demands it. Whether it be US citizens or not, protected by conventions or not, the general principle is the same. So if the US breaks law by indefinitely detaining non-citizen terror suspects, there is no reason not to break law by indefinitely detaining citizen terror suspects. "Security" trumps all.

404 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:26:42am

I'm not opening the door for any reason for the next 2 and 1/2 days... my next shift is Wed. at 1:15 pm, and I'm going to stay right here and try to keep this place cozy and the vehicles running... for any Colorado Lizards...

Front Range Foothills Forecast

Today: Snow. Temperature falling to around 16 by 5pm. Northeast wind between 8 and 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Tonight: Snow. Low around -11. Wind chill values as low as -22. East northeast wind between 7 and 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Tuesday: Snow likely. Cloudy and cold, with a high near -2. Wind chill values as low as -26. East northeast wind around 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.

Tuesday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow, mainly before 11pm. Cloudy, then gradually becoming partly cloudy, with a low around -17. Wind chill values as low as -26. Northeast wind around 6 mph becoming calm.

Wednesday: Mostly sunny and cold, with a high near 3. Calm wind becoming east around 6 mph.

And for the midwest and northern Lizards... it's coming you way and it will be even worst when it gets to you. Colorado is only going to get the ass end of this storm.

405 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:29:05am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

I'm not opening the door for any reason for the next 2 and 1/2 days... my next shift is Wed. at 1:15 pm, and I'm going to stay right here and try to keep this place cozy and the vehicles running... for any Colorado Lizards...

Front Range Foothills Forecast

Today: Snow. Temperature falling to around 16 by 5pm. Northeast wind between 8 and 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Tonight: Snow. Low around -11. Wind chill values as low as -22. East northeast wind between 7 and 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Tuesday: Snow likely. Cloudy and cold, with a high near -2. Wind chill values as low as -26. East northeast wind around 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.

Tuesday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow, mainly before 11pm. Cloudy, then gradually becoming partly cloudy, with a low around -17. Wind chill values as low as -26. Northeast wind around 6 mph becoming calm.

Wednesday: Mostly sunny and cold, with a high near 3. Calm wind becoming east around 6 mph.

And for the midwest and northern Lizards... it's coming you way and it will be even worst when it gets to you. Colorado is only going to get the ass end of this storm.

We are scheduled to receive up to 12 inches in the Very Far Western Parts of Chicagoland. Temps down to Zero by Thursday. They are calling it "Blizzard Alert".

406 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:29:46am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Sounds about right, Walter. We're suiting up in our fur coats and bracing our hands on our snowshovels up here in the wild north country, too.

407 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:29:53am

re: #317 darthstar


Another upstanding Arizona citizen being wrongly persecuted for a simple, innocent hobby. Even his social club, the National Socialist Movement, is distancing themselves from him.

Poor bastard.
/
Oh...I forgot to mention this detail: Jeffrey Harbin of Apache Junction had 12 grenade-like improvised explosive devices built with PVC pipe filled with black powder, ball bearings and an improvised fusing system.

Interesting that they chose to interview someone who should be very familiar to lizards since there's been quite a few articles here regarding his antics.

"I actually personally recruited Jeff into the National Socialist Movement, I am no longer a unit leader or with the National Socialist Movement," said J.T. Ready.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This article is from last July, and Ready is currently acting as a character witness for Shawna Forde in her murder trial, so that claim that is isn't a neo-Nazi any more is absolute B.S.

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:30:15am

Bunch of good sit-com type shows right now.

Mythbusters and Deadliest Warrior are my favorite of the "Reality" shows.

Can't watch American Idol. When the kid who's been coddled by her parents and told she is special shows up there, and has her teeth kicked in (probably for life)?... it hurts me inside.

I am afraid of getting inured to life. I just don't want to.

God, I sound like a Brady kid. That's swell.

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:31:09am

re: #401 Alouette

"What's a good snow blower to buy?"
-Charlie Sheen Snowman.

410 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:31:14am

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bunch of good sit-com type shows right now.

Mythbusters and Deadliest Warrior are my favorite of the "Reality" shows.

Can't watch American Idol. When the kid who's been coddled by her parents and told she is special shows up there, and has her teeth kicked in (probably for life)?... it hurts me inside.

I am afraid of getting inured to life. I just don't want to.

God, I sound like a Brady kid. That's swell.

Have you seen Ice Road Truckers, Most Dangerous Roads? I put that one under the category of "horror".

411 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:31:21am

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bunch of good sit-com type shows right now.

Mythbusters and Deadliest Warrior are my favorite of the "Reality" shows.

Can't watch American Idol. When the kid who's been coddled by her parents and told she is special shows up there, and has her teeth kicked in (probably for life)?... it hurts me inside.

I am afraid of getting inured to life. I just don't want to.

God, I sound like a Brady kid. That's swell.

Mythbusters rocks my socks. Out of the drama show category, my wife is a Law and Order: SVU addict, and I'm a fan of Burn Notice. Don't really watch much else around here except for kicking on the Disney Channel for some harmless background noise while we game. Unless it's that abominable Hannah Montana. *shudder*

412 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:32:52am

re: #405 ggt

Well, here's some solace. Mount Washington is currently -10.5F, winds are 54mph, and wind chill is -47F. Oh, and within the last 24 hours, they had a peak wind of 74mph (hurricane force).

No matter where you are, it's probably a whole different degree of worse at Mount Washington.

413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:00am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Walter? If you don't have a Snuggie? I can send you one.

I have a leopard print one, and a Virginia Tech one. Your choice.

Keep your filthy paws off of my Dallas Cowboys one!

414 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:02am

re: #405 ggt

re: #406 thedopefishlives

Be prepared... and stay warm. Cold like that can cause certain car problems that just below freezing weather... top off your gas takes and maybe add a bottle of "Heet." Any condensation in a gas tank or water in a gas line in this frigid below zero weather can stop you (excuse the pun) cold.

I did that on the way home from my midnight shift, my girlfriend did that on her way to work and one of the step critters is going out right now to do that.

415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:06am

I watch whatever the guys in the house have on, when I watch. Pawn-Stars has been the current favorite. I've enjoyed it.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:45am

re: #411 thedopefishlives

Wanna touch me? I have a friend from high school that has been on three L&O franchise episodes.

417 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:48am

Have a great mornning all!

Catchya later.

418 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:35:31am

re: #411 thedopefishlives

Huge Mythbusters fan, and I'll watch Deadliest Catch and IRT from time to time.

Can't watch any of the reality competition shows - AI, DWTS, etc. except one.

Wipeout. Maybe it's the insane physical craziness they put the contestants (victims?) through to win $50k? Or the sarcastic wit of the commentators (who include the former Talk Soup guy).

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:36:05am

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

This is her.

I was so in love with her. She was sooo far out of my league.

In every conceivable way.

420 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:36:21am
421 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:36:56am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton

Yeah. We're gonna get hit with the trailing edge of this ice/snowstorm- and forecasts keep on revising almost hourly with each one becoming progressively worse.
Currently, we're going to start seeing rain around midnight tonight with temps around 40 degrees, and a big dropoff from around freezing at 5am to the low 20s/upper teens by noon, with precipitation the entire time.

422 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:37:25am

I went digging a little into the Muslim Brotherhood, and found that some of the same people who are now claiming they want an honest engagement in the Democratic process were involved in the "Freedom Flotilla" attempt to run the blockade on Gaza-- and afterwards, were talking all kinds of idiotic shit about it.

Muslim Brotherhood Propaganda

Having people who would violate that blockade involved in the new Egyptian government is not exactly a good sign for Egypt-Israel relations.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:38:07am

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

My best tip is "Don't go out unless it is a trip to the emergency room. And then only if you can't drag your ass to a place where EMT's can pick you up."

424 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:39:18am

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

re: #406 thedopefishlives

Be prepared... and stay warm. Cold like that can cause certain car problems that just below freezing weather... top off your gas takes and maybe add a bottle of "Heet." Any condensation in a gas tank or water in a gas line in this frigid below zero weather can stop you (excuse the pun) cold.

I did that on the way home from my midnight shift, my girlfriend did that on her way to work and one of the step critters is going out right now to do that.

I'm pretty good about keeping up with the truck when it gets this cold. The starter is what worries me the most - it's sluggish on the best of days, and the last night we were down in the -20 region, I almost didn't get it started the next morning.

425 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:39:28am

re: #422 Obdicut

Democracy. They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

426 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:08am

Speaking of reality shows, just got a generic email from HR to all the employees who enrolled in the special "Health program" to get reduced health insurance premiums. They want to put together a corporate team for "Biggest Loser" to compete against a GM team.

"Biggest Loser" contestants get humiliated even more severely than other reality show contestants because fat people don't have feelings.

427 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:34am

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wanna touch me? I have a friend from high school that has been on three L&O franchise episodes.

My K-12 (former) campus was actually used in a Chuck Norris movie.

428 Winny Spencer  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:42am

I'm loving it. I am getting (deservedly) thrashed for my birther-comment on the LGF-page about the Arizona GOP's call for the Nirth Certifikit.

I omitted to fact check WorldNetDaily.

429 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:41:03am

re: #426 Alouette

Look at the video i posted in 420. It's the future of reality TV.

430 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:41:09am

re: #422 Obdicut

I went digging a little into the Muslim Brotherhood, and found that some of the same people who are now claiming they want an honest engagement in the Democratic process were involved in the "Freedom Flotilla" attempt to run the blockade on Gaza-- and afterwards, were talking all kinds of idiotic shit about it.

Muslim Brotherhood Propaganda

Having people who would violate that blockade involved in the new Egyptian government is not exactly a good sign for Egypt-Israel relations.

That latter quote should be sourced explicitly. Also, I suggest adding more names to that page, as I was expecting to see "some", not just Beltagui. Just ideas.

431 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:41:32am

re: #425 lawhawk

Democracy. They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.

They think it means "mob rule."

432 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:41:53am

re: #413 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Walter? If you don't have a Snuggie? I can send you one.

I have a leopard print one, and a Virginia Tech one. Your choice.

Keep your filthy paws off of my Dallas Cowboys one!

Girl... I want the leopard print one for sure... you have my address. Neat.

433 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:42:29am

re: #430 000G

There's two of them in that article I linked.

434 ryannon  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:42:42am

Interviewees on treacherous, lying Al-Jazeera English all insisting that the street doesn't give a tinker's damn about the Muslim Brotherhood. Others patiently explaining that if ever Egypt a representative democracy - even with MB members - the last thing anyone wants is war or skirmishes with Israel. I nearly vomited when I heard these bald-faced untruths propagated by what's clearly a MB media mouth-piece. As if I were naive enough to believe it! I say we napalm the fuckers on that miserable Cairo square, send in the Marines to protect Mubarak and his government and drop a few billion more in his till to buy hell-fire drones and new CS for more efficient crowd control.

We've been patient enough with this nonsense.

435 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:43:56am

re: #434 ryannon

Has your schtick been getting much sleep recently? It looks tired.

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:43:57am

re: #427 laZardo

My K-12 (former) campus was actually used in a Chuck Norris movie.

Then he gave a round-house kick to the headmaster, now it's a cemetery.

437 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:44:13am

re: #433 Obdicut

There's two of them in that article I linked.

zawya.com is behind some really weird semi-paywall that I find too annoying to circumvent. Paraphrase would be appreciated.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:44:45am

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

I'm serious. It's on its way.

I made fun of them... then I put one on. Holy schneikies! They're fantastic!

439 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:45:00am

re: #422 Obdicut

I went digging a little into the Muslim Brotherhood, and found that some of the same people who are now claiming they want an honest engagement in the Democratic process were involved in the "Freedom Flotilla" attempt to run the blockade on Gaza-- and afterwards, were talking all kinds of idiotic shit about it.

Muslim Brotherhood Propaganda

Having people who would violate that blockade involved in the new Egyptian government is not exactly a good sign for Egypt-Israel relations.

I spent some time reading the Muslim Brotherhood webpage yesterday. they're very open about their support for hamas and the destruction of Israel. They also support attacks against Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq.

440 RadicalModerate  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:45:10am

re: #434 ryannon

Was that a copy/paste from FreeRepublic?

441 ryannon  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:46:09am
re: #435 Obdicut

Has your schtick been getting much sleep recently? It looks tired.

Au contaire, fresh as a newborn baby's ass. And speaking of asses, when or where did you ever see this 'schtick' posted here by me before? Hallucinating much? Or just Killjoy hardened artery syndrome?

442 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:47:08am

re: #437 000G

I changed it to a cache from the Gulf News instead.

443 ryannon  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:47:14am

re: #440 RadicalModerate

Was that a copy/paste from FreeRepublic?

Blackfive, you little commie bastard.

444 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:47:26am

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My best tip is "Don't go out unless it is a trip to the emergency room. And then only if you can't drag your ass to a place where EMT's can pick you up."

Back between 1985-89, I didn't have any sort of health insurance, and I had a hernia that was getting worst and worst. I had seen a number of GP's, paid for the visits out of my own pocket, but couldn't get the GP to order or recommend a hospital stay.

So, I had my girlfriend drop me off on the CURB of the emergency room entrance, and I told her to drive on home and I would call her later with my room number. I laid on the curb moaning for about 10 minutes until someone on the hospital staff decided to give me some attention.

I asked the nurse that picked me up and put me in the wheelchair why she finally decided to help... she said I was annoying all the "customers" coming in and out.

Works every time.

Ask me about the time I handcuffed myself to a hospital bed. My health care methods could be called WallyCare.

445 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:48:29am

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm serious. It's on its way.

I made fun of them... then I put one on. Holy schneikies! They're fantastic!

I'm serious... the Leopard skin one... I'll take it.

446 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:48:55am

re: #441 ryannon

Your schticks aren't really as different from each other as you think they are, I guess.

447 ryannon  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:50:15am

re: #446 Obdicut

Your schticks aren't really as different from each other as you think they are, I guess.

Well, keep guessing. Great exercise for sagging neurons.

448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:50:52am

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

I think I sent you an email. But I'm not sure.

I've lost your address.

Nic is blue.

449 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:51:12am

About the freeing of "political" prisoners in Egypt....
[Link: www.daylife.com...]

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

[Link: www.daylife.com...]

450 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:51:29am

re: #436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Then he gave a round-house kick to the headmaster, now it's a cemetery.

Close. It's a condo tower.

I did keep a photo from when the elementary school section was being demolished.

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:52:47am

re: #450 laZardo

So he didn't just roundhouse kick the headmaster. He took out the whole fucking building!

Probably did that with the fist in his beard.

452 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:52:53am
453 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:52:55am

re: #448 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think I sent you an email. But I'm not sure.

I've lost your address.

Nic is blue.

I have your email address... I'll email you my address... in a few seconds.

454 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:54:06am

BBC live blogging again (and still among the best live coverage).

NYT Lede live blogging.

From the BBC - a most interesting posting:

#
1623: Professor David Kelly of Sydney's University of Technology tells the BBC it has been widely reported that searches for the word "Egypt" in Chinese have been blocked on microblogs (such as Twitter).rr"You can search for the English word 'Egypt' and apparently find discussion [of the unrest]. But the average user would probably be put off by not finding it in Chinese. The government feels threatened by the parallels it has seen in China in connection with 'colour revolutions'. r"The authorities in Beijing are in my mind quite insecure, and signal this constantly… even very minor expressions of discontent can be treated as threats to the stability of the regime."

The Chinese must be real worried about political upheaval at home if they're blocking any and all references to Egypt's turmoil as though it might spark something similar in China. The list of grievances would be all too familiar to those in China - lack of economic opportunities, lack of political participation, higher food and energy costs, unemployment, etc.

455 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:55:20am

re: #452 ryannon

Maybe it was whacked because you also commented on the wholesale killing of protesters to restore order?

456 ryannon  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:00:06am

re: #455 lawhawk

Maybe it was whacked because you also commented on the wholesale killing of protesters to restore order?

Yes, it was certainly clear that all that was perfectly literal. Don't want to upset the people with impaired reading comprehension skills, do we?

457 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:00:54am

re: #456 ryannon

Did you ever stop to think that maybe posting something like that could esaily be taken the wrong way by the stalkers? For that matter, did you even stop to think at all?

458 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:01:38am
459 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:04:25am

re: #359 RogueOne

All those church burnings weren't about race, they just hate steeples.

A very large fraction of church burnings really do have nothing to do with race. Somebody compiled statistics and there were instances of blacks burning black churches, whites burning white churches, etc. Very confusing, unless you think along the lines of firebugs like to watch stuff go up in smoke.

460 [deleted]  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:05:28am
461 Talking Point Detective  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:06:25am

re: #459 lostlakehiker

A very large fraction of church burnings really do have nothing to do with race. Somebody compiled statistics and there were instances of blacks burning black churches, whites burning white churches, etc. Very confusing, unless you think along the lines of firebugs like to watch stuff go up in smoke.

Link?

462 laZardo  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:07:41am

I read someone might be snapping.

I should take this as my cue to head to bed. Nighty.

463 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:08:43am

#
1541: Israeli officials tell the Associated Press that they have agreed to allow the Egyptian army to move two additional battalions, or about 800 troops, into the Sinai peninsula for the first time since the 1979 peace agreement between the two countries. The soldiers are being sent to the area around the Red Sea resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, where there are thousands of foreign tourists, the officials add.

464 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:08:49am

While in Paris recently, I was watching a French science show, late in the evening, close to midnight... and they spent a lot of time with the camera focused on a laundromat dryer... couldn't understand all the French... I wasn't sure what the show really was about... "The Science of Spin Drying" maybe?

465 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:09:34am

re: #439 Killgore Trout

I spent some time reading the Muslim Brotherhood webpage yesterday. they're very open about their support for hamas and the destruction of Israel. They also support attacks against Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq.

MB is a bloodthirsty, murderous bunch...I don't give a hoot what they or anybody else says about them otherwise

466 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:10:24am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

While in Paris recently, I was watching a French science show, late in the evening, close to midnight... and they spent a lot of time with the camera focused on a laundromat dryer... couldn't understand all the French... I wasn't sure what the show really was about... "The Science of Spin Drying" maybe?

Of course, it beat the BBC show I watched on another night "Yams as Weapons."

467 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:10:54am

re: #369 lawhawk

Here's a philosophical question then. If you believe that your cause is just, is it rational to immolate yourself to bring more attention to your cause and rally people to the righteousness of your position? Immolation would be a facially irrational decision since your death would prevent your further actions to better your cause/position. Would the self-immolation be a sign of being mentally unstable?

There isn't much of a stretch from the guy who immolates themselves to further their cause to the suicide bomber who blows up a bunch of people for his cause.

Now, I know that there are distinctions between the two - some people who do become suicide bombers are purposefully recruited to do so because they are mentally ill/challenged/tricked into doing so. But there are also the true-believers who believe in the righteousness of their cause and the ends do justify the means even if it involves mass murder.

Self-immolation is not necessarily irrational. Many people, maybe most, take the lives of others seriously. If self-immolation will touch off a revolution that frees a whole nation and maybe more than just one, then while one life is lost, many more are enriched and liberated.

The rationality of the decision then rides on whether the odds have been calculated correctly. Will this really touch off such a revolution? Or will it be a non-event except for yourself?

The decision is effectively the same as the decision of a soldier in battle to take a risk which makes military sense and will bring victory for his unit, but makes no personal sense and will get him killed. We don't call those people crazy. We award them a posthumous medal of honor.

468 ryannon  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:11:03am

re: #462 laZardo

I read someone might be snapping.

I should take this as my cue to head to bed. Nighty.

Chamomile tea and no undue excitement or stimulation. You'll be fine in the morning!

469 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:11:16am

re: #459 lostlakehiker

A very large fraction of church burnings really do have nothing to do with race. Somebody compiled statistics and there were instances of blacks burning black churches, whites burning white churches, etc. Very confusing, unless you think along the lines of firebugs like to watch stuff go up in smoke.

crazed atheists....they're eveywhere

470 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:12:14am

re: #469 albusteve

crazed atheists...they're eveywhere

We try to distribute them in some useful, coherent fashion.

471 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:12:52am

re: #467 lostlakehiker

Self-immolation is not necessarily irrational. Many people, maybe most, take the lives of others seriously. If self-immolation will touch off a revolution that frees a whole nation and maybe more than just one, then while one life is lost, many more are enriched and liberated.

The rationality of the decision then rides on whether the odds have been calculated correctly. Will this really touch off such a revolution? Or will it be a non-event except for yourself?

The decision is effectively the same as the decision of a soldier in battle to take a risk which makes military sense and will bring victory for his unit, but makes no personal sense and will get him killed. We don't call those people crazy. We award them a posthumous medal of honor.

but why burn up?...why not just kill themselves instantly?....immolation has got to hurt

472 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:13:36am

re: #470 Walter L. Newton

We try to distribute them in some useful, coherent fashion.

yes, fair as the breeze.....NEXT!

473 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:13:51am

re: #461 Talking Point Detective

Link?

Sorry, no link. News coverage in newspapers back when it was a hot topic because Clinton had made an issue of it.

My memory holds the facts of the story without holding the day/date/publisher info.

474 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:14:48am

Whenever self-immolation is discussed, I remember about Jan Palach.

475 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:17:55am

re: #473 lostlakehiker

Sorry, no link. News coverage in newspapers back when it was a hot topic because Clinton had made an issue of it.

My memory holds the facts of the story without holding the day/date/publisher info.

okay...you are now Certified NoLinker #739676....
congratulations!

476 lostlakehiker  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:17:57am

re: #471 albusteve

but why burn up?...why not just kill themselves instantly?...immolation has got to hurt

But that's the whole point. The hurt is the human torch's way of saying now pay attention, this matters.

One of the central points of communication is signaling seriousness. The way you signal seriousness is by accepting costs that can't be faked. Maxing out the cost you accept distinguishes your action from run of the mill suicides that have no political purpose, logic, or meaning.

477 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:18:22am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

While in Paris recently, I was watching a French science show, late in the evening, close to midnight... and they spent a lot of time with the camera focused on a laundromat dryer... couldn't understand all the French... I wasn't sure what the show really was about... "The Science of Spin Drying" maybe?

Hell is other people's laundry.

478 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:19:54am

re: #476 lostlakehiker

But that's the whole point. The hurt is the human torch's way of saying now pay attention, this matters.

One of the central points of communication is signaling seriousness. The way you signal seriousness is by accepting costs that can't be faked. Maxing out the cost you accept distinguishes your action from run of the mill suicides that have no political purpose, logic, or meaning.

I remember the Buddhist monks in Saigon....indeed, quite a statement

479 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:22:54am

[Link: www.google.com...]

probably not a bad idea...

480 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:23:25am

The Muslim Brotherhood lifted it's opposition to Christians in politics only a few weeks ago....
Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood ending opposition to Coptic president

Egypt's Islamist Muslim Brotherhood is ending its bnanket opposition to any and all Coptic Christian candidacy for the country's presidency following the New Year's eve bombing that killed 21 people at a Coptic Church in the port city of Alexandria, according to an important member of the Islamist political group.

"The heads of the Muslim Brotherhood has decided to suspend its decision to reject all Coptic Christian candidates for the next presidential elections," Ibrahim Manirat, a top member of the group, told Arab newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi.

Copts don't think they're very sincere....
Egypt: Coptic Christians fear embrace of Muslim Brotherhood

481 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:23:49am

re: #479 albusteve

[Link: www.google.com...]

probably not a bad idea...



The gathering comes at a time of crisis in Egypt that could reshape dynamics in the Middle East, fallout from leaked diplomatic documents and congressional calls for sweeping cuts in foreign aid

482 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:24:03am

re: #478 albusteve

I remember the Buddhist monks in Saigon...indeed, quite a statement

That's exactly what this reminds me of. There's nothing that says "I have had enough" like calmly setting yourself on fire, in public, and sitting there as you burn, without screaming.

It sends a pretty clear message that you are willing to sacrifice everything to be heard. People just don't do shit like that unless things have gotten very bad.

483 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:24:47am

re: #481 albusteve


The gathering comes at a time of crisis in Egypt that could reshape dynamics in the Middle East, fallout from leaked diplomatic documents and congressional calls for sweeping cuts in foreign aid

Union meeting. They want softer towels in the embassy men's rooms.

484 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:25:43am

re: #478 albusteve

I remember the "Life" magazine photographs.

485 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:26:37am

re: #480 Killgore Trout

The Muslim Brotherhood lifted it's opposition to Christians in politics only a few weeks ago...
Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood ending opposition to Coptic president

Copts don't think they're very sincere...
Egypt: Coptic Christians fear embrace of Muslim Brotherhood

reject candidates?...just some PR that has no teeth, either way you slice it
but it sounds authoritative

486 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:27:51am

re: #482 Fozzie Bear

That's exactly what this reminds me of. There's nothing that says "I have had enough" like calmly setting yourself on fire, in public, and sitting there as you burn, without screaming.

It sends a pretty clear message that you are willing to sacrifice everything to be heard. People just don't do shit like that unless things have gotten very bad.

I was 10 or 11 watching it on TV...very shocking and repulsive

487 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:29:08am

re: #483 Decatur Deb

Union meeting. They want softer towels in the embassy men's rooms.

it will pass 259-1
at least one guy is skimming the lav budget...bet me

488 blueraven  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:32:01am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

While in Paris recently, I was watching a French science show, late in the evening, close to midnight... and they spent a lot of time with the camera focused on a laundromat dryer... couldn't understand all the French... I wasn't sure what the show really was about... "The Science of Spin Drying" maybe?

Everyone knows that going into the dryer is a metaphor for life itself. Yes you come out all wet from the washer (womb) then go through several cycles before you are deemed suitably nice & soft and smelling good only to be hung up in the closet among the other pieces. If you are lucky, you get to be worn, experience all the dirt life has to offer, and maybe even be born again.

489 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:35:02am

re: #488 blueraven

Everyone knows that going into the dryer is a metaphor for life itself. Yes you come out all wet from the washer (womb) then go through several cycles before you are deemed suitably nice & soft and smelling good only to be hung up in the closet among the other pieces. If you are lucky, you get to be worn, experience all the dirt life has to offer, and maybe even be born again.

Ah fuck... you mean it was one of those philosophical French cafe' subjects and I missed the point... merde.

490 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:35:11am

re: #488 blueraven

Griffy: "Hou can you just sit and stare at the washing machine for hours on end?"

Zippy the Pinhead: "I have cable!"

491 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:37:17am

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood mutes its religious message for protests

"They don't want to appear as if they're using this revolt to seize power," said Wahid Abdul Magid, an analyst at the Al Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo. "What they want is free and fair elections to allow them to take power transparently. This would show their real popularity in the Egyptian street."

The question is whether the organization's religious agenda fits easily into an Egypt that is more tolerant and susceptible to Western-style liberalism and hip TV preachers. The Brotherhood's beliefs are moderate when compared with many of the world's more militant Muslim organizations. But it rejects the idea that a woman or a Christian could be president of a Muslim country, and would tilt the nation's laws toward stricter Islamic codes. And it would certainly ban alcohol and topless beaches at the resort of Sharm el Sheik.

"The Muslim Brotherhood has always been a concern for secular and even religiously devoted Egyptians because of fear that their Islamic ideology could damage the country's image and hurt tourism," said Emad Gad, a political analyst.
....
"A Christian Copt or a woman cannot be president of a Muslim nation," said Shosha, a broad-shouldered man, who sat in the Brotherhood's headquarters in Cairo watching the protests on TV. "This is a religious point, not a political one. But it will be the Muslim leader's role to protect the rights of Copts and women."


Frrreeedom!
/

492 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:39:41am

re: #491 Killgore Trout

"[The Muslim Brotherhood] rejects the idea that a woman or a Christian could be president of a Muslim country, and would tilt the nation's laws toward stricter Islamic codes"

Just swap "Muslim/Islamic" with "Christian" and you have the Tea Party's platform in a nutshell...

493 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:40:14am

Here was someplace I have never visited before, in all my trips to Paris... I recommend a visit to this macabre as long as you don't mind walking a total of 5 stories of tight circular staircases, 1.6 miles of narrow, low passages underground and you are not claustrophobic... other than that... it's a very enjoyable and historical place...

Image: catacombs_1.JPG

494 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:42:39am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Here was someplace I have never visited before, in all my trips to Paris... I recommend a visit to this macabre as long as you don't mind walking a total of 5 stories of tight circular staircases, 1.6 miles of narrow, low passages underground and you are not claustrophobic... other than that... it's a very enjoyable and historical place...

Image: catacombs_1.JPG

I get the swirling swirls of death.
Can't get it to open.

495 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:43:40am

Damn.
Wish I knew what this was about.
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
To clarify: A 'source' that Jazeera Arabic quoted on its ticker & I tweeted emailed me saying "We never said that to anyone". Off the record

496 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:43:51am

re: #494 reine.de.tout

Worked here.

497 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:45:20am

re: #496 Decatur Deb

Worked here.

*sigh*
OK, refreshed the page, and then it worked.
Strange photo.
I'd love to visit the place.

498 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:45:38am

re: #464 Walter L. Newton

While in Paris recently, I was watching a French science show, late in the evening, close to midnight... and they spent a lot of time with the camera focused on a laundromat dryer... couldn't understand all the French... I wasn't sure what the show really was about... "The Science of Spin Drying" maybe?

Maybe they'd discovered the normally hidden interdimensional wormhole that appear in spin dryers. The demons from that plane enter the dryer and steal single socks...

499 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:47:29am

re: #494 reine.de.tout

I get the swirling swirls of death.
Can't get it to open.

My direct link works... it's a big JPG, your computer may be choking up trying to load it... try clipping and pasting the address the address bar on a new tab... I am going to remove the http:// part from the beginning so Charles' software doesn't convert it into a automatic image link...

newton.acrossthebow.com/catacombs_1.JPG

500 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:48:34am

(I will understand if this gets deleted.)

Heh, from Think Progress:

KayInMaine 01/25/2011 08:40 PM

Uh oh! The wheels are falling off the Wingnut Wagon!

4 people liked this. Like
Reply
Reginald_Perrin 01/25/2011 09:20 PM in reply to KayInMaine

Sorry Kay

You were what the wingnuts call, collateral damage.

You walked into a mine field and there was nothing I could do to help

I coulldn't tip you off

Like
Reply
KayInMaine 01/26/2011 07:53 AM in reply to Reginald_Perrin

LOL Not sure what you're talking about....but okay! :D

501 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:49:25am

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Of course, it beat the BBC show I watched on another night "Yams as Weapons."

Did that show have the same instructor who taught people how to defend themselves when attacked with fruit?

:)

502 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:51:47am

#
1735: More from the Muslim Brotherhood: a statement says the Islamist group "declares its total rejection of the new cabinet, which does not respond to the will of the people" and calls on "the people to continue with their activities and join the mass marches all around the country until this regime leaves, with its president, its party, its ministers and its parliament".

for a group that one would think is a minor player... they sure do punch above their weight class.

503 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:52:29am

re: #500 Sergey Romanov

(I will understand if this gets deleted.)

Heh, from Think Progress:

Reginald Perrin is still posting at a number of blogs, claiming that he and Charles are cleaning up leftist blogs of wingnut trolls and stalkers. In the above conversation he is trying to imply that him and Charles were working on "The Plan" the day that Kay stepped into the middle of it and she got banned because he couldn't warn her in time to stay away... she was collateral damage.

Reggie is still making all sorts of plans that him and CJ are working together on all sorts of schemes and projects.

504 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:54:42am

WalterBait:
City of Lights becomes City of Openness as ParisData goes live

ParisData has launched, home to the "open data policy of the City of Paris." Here you'll find reams and reams of bits and bytes from the city's various municipal organizations, all released in the "spirit of transparency and open innovation." All is licensed ODbL, which is free to share and adapt so long as it stays open and stays attributed.
505 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:55:22am

re: #404 Walter L. Newton
*Meh*
It's CO. You signed on for it, it's good for business ( the slopes), and it's expected in the Rockies.
But here in Dixie, we don't want it, need it, like it ( except for the kids, and only between Mon-Fri)..... it's Snowpocalypse.
Make It Stop.

506 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:55:55am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Yes, all that. But here's the part which supports the theory that this might have been some kind of a hoax from the beginning:

Well CJ, it's Reggies turn to be boss

You didn't get to where I got today by not knowing that

507 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:56:26am

re: #505 tradewind

*Meh*
It's CO. You signed on for it, it's good for business ( the slopes), and it's expected in the Rockies.
But here in Dixie, we don't want it, need it, like it ( except for the kids, and only between Mon-Fri)... it's Snowpocalypse.
Make It Stop.

We even give it an ominous theme song!

508 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:56:35am

re: #491 Killgore Trout

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood mutes its religious message for protests


Frrreeedom!
/

I see you're off on a mission...thanks for posting this series of MB stuff, and you should have a page for it...it supports my point of view but you are doing all the legwork I'm too lazy to look for...and your fu is no doubt much better than mine

509 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:57:02am

re: #491 Killgore Trout

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood mutes its religious message for protests


Frrreeedom!
/

THe problem is, we celebrate the government we've installed in Iraq as representing freedom. It's a religious government as well.

Article 2 of the Iraqi constitution:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

510 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:57:21am

So, a thought regarding the unrest in the ME. Could there be a connection between political instability and rising food prices? Could there be a connection between rising food prices and climate change?

[Link: www.google.com...]

I think much of the time we tend to think in terms of localized political influences, when maybe the prime mover behind this kind of thing has more to do with much broader patterns such as markets and demographics, and even global weather patterns.

Just food for thought. Pun intended.

511 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:58:29am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Over the years I have read many insane posts on many blogs, but this is the first time I have seen a delusion played out over at least three blogs.

512 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:58:35am

re: #507 Varek Raith
Okay, it's good for one snapshot of my goldens freaking out in it, and one for a possible Christmas card when the kids will pose.
Other than that, it belongs in the freakin' Western Mts.
That's why we have Bozeman./

513 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:58:36am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Here was someplace I have never visited before, in all my trips to Paris... I recommend a visit to this macabre as long as you don't mind walking a total of 5 stories of tight circular staircases, 1.6 miles of narrow, low passages underground and you are not claustrophobic... other than that... it's a very enjoyable and historical place...

Image: catacombs_1.JPG

tres kewl....after my wound care I'm going to google that stuff...I love that sort of thing

514 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:59:23am

re: #510 Fozzie Bear

So, a thought regarding the unrest in the ME. Could there be a connection between political instability and rising food prices? Could there be a connection between rising food prices and climate change?

[Link: www.google.com...]

I think much of the time we tend to think in terms of localized political influences, when maybe the prime mover behind this kind of thing has more to do with much broader patterns such as markets and demographics, and even global weather patterns.

Just food for thought. Pun intended.

Floods in Australia, massive blizzards in the U.S.

Climate change in the worst way.

It's all my fault because I didn't want to spend $10,000 more on a Hybrid.

515 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:59:47am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Reginald Perrin is still posting at a number of blogs, claiming that he and Charles are cleaning up leftist blogs of wingnut trolls and stalkers. In the above conversation he is trying to imply that him and Charles were working on "The Plan" the day that Kay stepped into the middle of it and she got banned because he couldn't warn her in time to stay away... she was collateral damage.

Reggie is still making all sorts of plans that him and CJ are working together on all sorts of schemes and projects.

He went from being a pain in the ass to Delusional in like a supersonic second.

516 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:59:58am

An interesting article regarding food markets.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

517 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:00:30am

re: #513 albusteve

tres kewl...after my wound care I'm going to google that stuff...I love that sort of thing

Walter can correct me, but the basic story is that Paris ran out of graveyard space, so they ended up dumping them in old quarries. Very neat, something ive always wanted to see. I'm a total nut for underground history.

518 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:00:34am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton
Jared Loughner-esque warning bells all over the place.
Hope not, but wouldn't shock me.

519 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:00:43am

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

The Catacombs are truly an odd sight to behold. There's a certain beauty in the way that the people who established the crypts arranged the bones of tens of thousands of people into all kinds of geometric patterns including hearts.

520 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:00:45am

re: #500 Sergey Romanov

(I will understand if this gets deleted.)

Heh, from Think Progress:

"not sure what you're talking about"
LOL....no kidding?
a bonafide nutter

521 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:01:25am

re: #501 oaktree

Did that show have the same instructor who taught people how to defend themselves when attacked with fruit?

:)

beware the grapes of wrath!

522 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:01:52am

re: #501 oaktree

Did that show have the same instructor who taught people how to defend themselves when attacked with fruit?

:)

You must be more specific. "Defend themselves with fruit, when attacked", makes great sense. "Defend themselves when attacked by someone wielding fruit" would just be silly.

523 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:02:08am

re: #512 tradewind

Okay, it's good for one snapshot of my goldens freaking out in it, and one for a possible Christmas card when the kids will pose.
Other than that, it belongs in the freakin' Western Mts.
That's why we have Bozeman./

[Soviet mode]
We will bury you in snow until you deny capitalist AGW!
[slams shoe on podium]
[end Soviet mode]

//

524 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:02:33am

re: #500 Sergey Romanov

(I will understand if this gets deleted.)

Heh, from Think Progress:

Our friend KayinMaine?
whee!

She's calling this place the "wingnut" wagon? Now?

Good grief.

525 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:02:37am

re: #519 lawhawk

The Catacombs are truly an odd sight to behold. There's a certain beauty in the way that the people who established the crypts arranged the bones of tens of thousands of people into all kinds of geometric patterns including hearts.

The most amazing catacombs in the world are in Sedlec, Czech Republic.

It's a massive museum of sculptures and artwork all made of human bones.

526 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:03:15am

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Our friend KayinMaine?
whee!

She's calling this place the "wingnut" wagon? Now?

Good grief.

Stalkers are creepy.

527 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:03:19am

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Our friend KayinMaine?
whee!

She's calling this place the "wingnut" wagon? Now?

Good grief.

Well, from where she stands somewhere to the left of Stalin, we are all wingnuts. It's all relative.

528 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:03:23am

re: #503 Walter L. Newton

Reginald Perrin is still posting at a number of blogs, claiming that he and Charles are cleaning up leftist blogs of wingnut trolls and stalkers. In the above conversation he is trying to imply that him and Charles were working on "The Plan" the day that Kay stepped into the middle of it and she got banned because he couldn't warn her in time to stay away... she was collateral damage.

Reggie is still making all sorts of plans that him and CJ are working together on all sorts of schemes and projects.

Figment of his imagination.

529 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:04:07am

re: #510 Fozzie Bear

Could there be a connection between political instability and rising food prices?

Gee. I wonder. Probably take a lot of digging to connect them.///

530 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:04:12am

re: #528 reine.de.tout

Figment of his imagination.

Time to check if he has openned a useless blog named "GROT".

531 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:04:22am

re: #506 Sergey Romanov

Yes, all that. But here's the part which supports the theory that this might have been some kind of a hoax from the beginning:

Um.
Where is he today?

532 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:04:45am

re: #511 EdDantes

Over the years I have read many insane posts on many blogs, but this is the first time I have seen a delusion played out over at least three blogs.

533 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:04:46am

re: #506 Sergey Romanov

Yes, all that. But here's the part which supports the theory that this might have been some kind of a hoax from the beginning:

Well it is a hoax... you didn't think I was suggesting that anything Reggie says is truth. The man is obsessed with trolls and stalkers, yet he is a primary example of a troll and stalker. Someone sent me a link to 3 different threads on DoD (the stalker blog) where he was banned three times, using "Reggie" and two other sock puppets. It is evident that he is mentally unstable.

And I don't think it's funny. He has continued to claim Charles and himself are working together, on other blogs, he makes claims that certain posters are really Lizards, who keep following him and trying to stalk him, and he has repeatedly tried to convince people that this has been all planned as a way to shake out trolls from left leaning blogs.

This in turn has resulted in other blogs, blogs not favorable to Charles, to post articles about Reggie and speculating the devious nature of Charles' evolvement.

You would have to ask Charles if he know that Reggie is still out there doing this and whether he cares or not.

534 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:04:52am

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Our friend KayinMaine?
whee!

She's calling this place the "wingnut" wagon? Now?

Good grief.

No, it wasn't said about LGF. Reggie kinda appeared out of the blue with this, as is his wont. But I just found the convergence of two crazies to be to funny/weird not to post.

535 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:05:12am

re: #523 oaktree
Well, all that soviet-era cloud-seeding. What could go went wrong?
Or something.

536 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:06:26am

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

Well, I kind of figured that he was a "benign" member that went crazy. It would seem that there was tongue in cheek from the beginning.

537 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:06:34am

re: #535 tradewind

Well, all that soviet-era cloud-seeding. What could go went wrong?
Or something.

You're thinking of the wrong commie Olympics. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

538 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:06:51am

re: #517 McSpiff

Walter can correct me, but the basic story is that Paris ran out of graveyard space, so they ended up dumping them in old quarries. Very neat, something ive always wanted to see. I'm a total nut for underground history.

It was more do to urban redevelopment and the relocation of many streets... health reasons and some space concerns...

539 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:07:40am

re: #538 Walter L. Newton

It was more do to urban redevelopment and the relocation of many streets... health reasons and some space concerns...

Gotcha. Have you started back at the store yet?

540 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:07:43am

re: #529 tradewind

Gee. I wonder. Probably take a lot of digging to connect them.///

Well, yeah, I mean it seems kind of obvious, but I don't see it being discussed much, and yet global grain market prices have gone up over 50% in the past year. I don't get why that isn't being given more thought in media as a force driving political instability in the ME.

541 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:08:26am

re: #517 McSpiff

Walter can correct me, but the basic story is that Paris ran out of graveyard space, so they ended up dumping them in old quarries. Very neat, something ive always wanted to see. I'm a total nut for underground history.

that's all I know about it myself....have seen it on tv, but I dig all the tunnel and below ground stuff...wells and water, secret Chinese stuff under Deadwood or wherever...chambers and tunnels under castles...all that stuff is very interesting...but the Paris thing is really huge and to this day I think parts of it are really not too well mapped out

542 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:09:01am

re: #541 albusteve

that's all I know about it myself...have seen it on tv, but I dig all the tunnel and below ground stuff...wells and water, secret Chinese stuff under Deadwood or wherever...chambers and tunnels under castles...all that stuff is very interesting...but the Paris thing is really huge and to this day I think parts of it are really not too well mapped out

NYC has one hell of a labyrinth under it as well, much of it forgotten about.

543 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:09:11am

re: #539 McSpiff

Gotcha. Have you started back at the store yet?

Yes... this past Sat. at midnight. Last night midnight... have about 15 mores hours scattered through the coming week.

544 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:09:15am

re: #522 Decatur Deb
I don't know..... armed with a pear of soda straws and some apple seeds, you could do a grape deal of damage.......

545 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:10:17am

re:

546 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:10:24am

re: #540 Fozzie Bear
Never underestimate the shame factor in Egypt: ' little Tunisia? And here we sit??? '

547 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:10:33am

re: #541 albusteve

that's all I know about it myself...have seen it on tv, but I dig all the tunnel and below ground stuff...wells and water, secret Chinese stuff under Deadwood or wherever...chambers and tunnels under castles...all that stuff is very interesting...but the Paris thing is really huge and to this day I think parts of it are really not too well mapped out

Not sure what your access to cable is... but if you can a hold of History's Cities of the Underground, check it out. Some cool stuff.

548 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:10:34am

re: #545 albusteve

it's true

549 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:10:47am

re: #541 albusteve

that's all I know about it myself...have seen it on tv, but I dig all the tunnel and below ground stuff...wells and water, secret Chinese stuff under Deadwood or wherever...chambers and tunnels under castles...all that stuff is very interesting...but the Paris thing is really huge and to this day I think parts of it are really not too well mapped out

The Wiki article covers it pretty good.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

550 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:11:40am

re: #537 McSpiff
Who do you think taught 'em how?

551 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:12:01am

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Of course, it beat the BBC show I watched on another night "Yams as Weapons."

Well... they could be.

552 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:12:07am

Oh, goody.
Ice tonight into tomorrow.

553 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:12:22am

re: #546 tradewind

Never underestimate the shame factor in Egypt: ' little Tunisia? And here we sit??? '

I have no doubt that much of it is the result of 30 years of bad management. But when people start having trouble affording food, they stop waiting for things to get better and they start getting pissed off.

554 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:12:29am

re: #544 tradewind

I don't know... armed with a pear of soda straws and some apple seeds, you could do a grape deal of damage...

Nice triple, but I can't play--having chili mac for lunch and don't want it to set up.

555 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:13:27am

re: #553 Fozzie Bear

I have no doubt that much of it is the result of 30 years of bad management. But when people start having trouble affording food, they stop waiting for things to get better and they start getting pissed off.

Was it you that posted the numbers on egypt's importation of fuel and foodstuff? Its something like over 50% now. Really makes sense that the situation would get beyond the governments control

556 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:13:45am

re: #527 Fozzie Bear

Well, from where she stands somewhere to the left of Stalin, we are all wingnuts. It's all relative.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Actually, I found the thread and she was NOT talking about LGF.
But you're right - from where she stands, we just might all be wingnuts.

557 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:14:06am

re: #547 McSpiff

Not sure what your access to cable is... but if you can a hold of History's Cities of the Underground, check it out. Some cool stuff.

I have Comcast with a bunch of primo stuff I guess....I have the History Channel, I'll keep an eye out, thanks

558 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:15:12am

re: #549 Walter L. Newton

The Wiki article covers it pretty good.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

it's booked, thanks

559 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:16:52am

nursie is here
bbl

560 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:17:56am

Al Jaz reporting that the Muslim Brotherhood is open leading protests now in certain locations.

561 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:18:03am

re: #384 Obdicut
Let me just disabuse you of the notion that the Republican party will consider who will be palatable/acceptable to left-leaning democrats when deciding who they'll nominate. Au contraire.
That doesn't make them irrational, just in tune with the recent umm, shellacking.
And this is not to knock Huntsman, who seems like a perfectly stand-up and intelligent guy.
Just saying.

562 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:18:24am

re: #542 Fozzie Bear

Forgotten NYC has some info about the underground labrynths, abandoned tunnels, etc.

Seattle's underground is particularly interesting - Pioneer Square is the focal point.

563 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:18:31am

re: #505 tradewind

*Meh*
It's CO. You signed on for it, it's good for business ( the slopes), and it's expected in the Rockies.
But here in Dixie, we don't want it, need it, like it ( except for the kids, and only between Mon-Fri)... it's Snowpocalypse.
Make It Stop.

We're having an absolutely gorgeous clear 72 degrees today.
Tomorrow's predicted low - 28.
I don't know how we survive. We have 2 closets - one with warm weather clothes, one with cold-weather clothes. You never know which one you'll need on any given day.

564 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:18:40am

re: #516 Fozzie Bear

An interesting article regarding food markets.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

I posted some stuff about food markets last night. See post #102 upthread.

Interesting stuff.

565 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:18:54am

re: #559 albusteve

nursie is here
bbl

My.
That's a quick sign off; she must be cute.

566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:19:52am

re: #549 Walter L. Newton

Seems like an efficient storage system for corpses.

Of course, I wanna be fed to bears, wolverines or a llama.

After I'm dead, of course.

567 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:20:04am

re: #563 reine.de.tout
I know, I'm just a bit up river.
(Damn, I hope you meant dash 28, not minus)!
Spring can't get here quickly enough for moi.

568 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:20:14am

re: #555 McSpiff

Was it you that posted the numbers on egypt's importation of fuel and foodstuff? Its something like over 50% now. Really makes sense that the situation would get beyond the governments control

I posted something about it today, but I don't think I have thought much about it before today.

Some more pertinent information:

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Egypt’s population has been growing rapidly (estimated at 2% per year by the CIA World Fact Book – about 3.0 children per woman), but the population is concentrated in a narrow strip along the Nile River. (Graph from Population Databrowser.)
As population grows, the amount of land needed for housing and businesses rises, and the amount of land for agriculture falls. So Egypt can produce less of its own food, as time goes on.
Egypt is reported to be the world’s largest importer of wheat. In 2010, the oil minister stated that Egypt imports 40% of its food, and 60% of its wheat. The problem this year is that world wheat production is down (at least in part due to weather problems in Russia) so world exports are down:
A longer term problem, though, is that world wheat production has not been growing to keep up with growing world population. Part of this lack of growth may be competition from biofuels. Part of the lack of growth also relates to the fact that the “green revolution” improvements (adding irrigation and fertilizer) are mostly behind us. While irrigation and fertilizer greatly improved production at the time of the change, gains in production since 1990 have been much smaller.
The cost of imported food, particularly wheat, has risen, partly because of the relatively smaller harvest, and partly because the cost of production and transport is rising because of rising oil prices. Figure 5 shows the close relationship food prices and oil prices. The Food Price Index used in this graph is the FAO’s Food Price Index related to food for export; Brent oil prices are spot prices from the EIA.
With oil prices higher now (because world production is close to flat, and as countries come out of recession, they want more), food prices of all types are higher as well. Oil is used directly in the production of grain and indirectly in storage and transit, so its cost becomes important.
The higher food prices contribute to the overall inflation problem that Egypt already had. In 2010, the CIA Factbook estimated the inflation rate to be 12.8%. Since wages don’t always rise to match inflation rates, inflationary pressures have no doubt put more pressure on the government to increase subsidies, at a time it cannot really afford to do so.
569 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:21:16am

re: #562 lawhawk

Forgotten NYC has some info about the underground labrynths, abandoned tunnels, etc.

Seattle's underground is particularly interesting - Pioneer Square is the focal point.

And in S. La., cemeteries are above ground.

Here's why.

570 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:21:43am

re: #567 tradewind

I know, I'm just a bit up river.
(Damn, I hope you meant dash 28, not minus)!
Spring can't get here quickly enough for moi.

I did mean dash 28, not -28.
I realized after I posted it how it looked.

571 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:21:54am

re: #566 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seems like an efficient storage system for corpses.

Of course, I wanna be fed to bears, wolverines or a llama.

After I'm dead, of course.

Once you try it, you'll never go back!

572 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:22:03am

re: #533 Walter L. Newton

Well it is a hoax... you didn't think I was suggesting that anything Reggie says is truth. The man is obsessed with trolls and stalkers, yet he is a primary example of a troll and stalker. Someone sent me a link to 3 different threads on DoD (the stalker blog) where he was banned three times, using "Reggie" and two other sock puppets. It is evident that he is mentally unstable.

And I don't think it's funny. He has continued to claim Charles and himself are working together, on other blogs, he makes claims that certain posters are really Lizards, who keep following him and trying to stalk him, and he has repeatedly tried to convince people that this has been all planned as a way to shake out trolls from left leaning blogs.

This in turn has resulted in other blogs, blogs not favorable to Charles, to post articles about Reggie and speculating the devious nature of Charles' evolvement.

You would have to ask Charles if he know that Reggie is still out there doing this and whether he cares or not.

Thanks, I know what he's doing. I never planned anything with him, of course, and he's obviously got a few screws loose, but the people who hate me don't care about the truth -- they just want to get those smears out there.

There's not much I can do except make a public announcement, and I don't think that's a good idea.

573 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:22:07am

Bashar al Assad is worried about his own regime. He's calling for some kind of reform, and thinks he's going to have time to implement it because his regime is favored by the anti-US/anti-Israel usual suspects. Sooner or later, the propaganda isn't going to mean as much as Assad thinks it will mean.

BTW, the ongoing turmoil in Egypt, and the possibility that Mubarak's regime comes to an end with a replacement hostile to Israel that could put the Camp David Agreement up to a referendum isn't going to make Israel any more likely to cut a deal with the Palestinians or the Syrians. The fragile nature of the regimes and the inability to have a solid foundation for peace means that the Israelis are going to be a whole less likely to trade land for peace when the peace may be all too fleeting and put Israel's security at risk.

574 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:22:08am

re: #569 reine.de.tout

That's life below sea level, I guess.

575 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:22:45am

re: #561 tradewind

Let me just disabuse you of the notion that the Republican party will consider who will be palatable/acceptable to left-leaning democrats when deciding who they'll nominate. Au contraire.
/blockquote>

What are you talking about?

576 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:22:51am

After that ugly comment about using napalm on demonstrators, 'ryannon' obviously doesn't care to have an LGF account any more.

577 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:24:43am

re: #574 Fozzie Bear

That's life below sea level, I guess.

Heh.
Or just above it, yes.
Notice the ground dirt was cracked? That wasn't even a particularly wet day.

578 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:24:44am

I can't find my wallet.

I think the Cat Overlord is unhappy with me today.

579 tradewind  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:24:58am

re: #570 reine.de.tout
It's been so freakin' cold this winter, I thought maybe for a minute.....

Out.

580 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:26:00am

re: #576 Charles

I'm pretty sure it was 'humor', but it was pretty damn bizarre.

581 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:26:27am

I've only ever seen temperatures like -28 once in my life, and I think that's enough. It's not as bad as you might think, and yet, it's worse. If that makes any sense.

582 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:26:35am

re: #576 Charles

After that ugly comment about using napalm on demonstrators, 'ryannon' obviously doesn't care to have an LGF account any more.

Yes, the whole world would just go back to normal if Mubarak were to do that...

/

583 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:27:57am

re: #572 Charles

Perhaps the whole conspiracy will die a lonely, stupid deserving death.

584 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:28:04am

Sometimes, we get so cozy here it's hard to remember it can be READ BY THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Even sarc tags don't translate all the time.

585 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:28:14am

Jesus I can't even imagine what would happen if napalm were involved. You can't do shit like that anymore. There would be a video on youtube where the whole world would see thousands of people burning alive, and there would be a shitstorm of epic proportions following something like that.

Not a funny thought, not even a little.

586 McSpiff  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:28:26am

re: #581 Fozzie Bear

I've only ever seen temperatures like -28 once in my life, and I think that's enough. It's not as bad as you might think, and yet, it's worse. If that makes any sense.

As a Canadian... cold depends just as much on weather as pure temperature. Wind, humidity, 'dryness' all play a role in how we experience cold.

587 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:28:57am

An Interview with the Brotherhood

If the Brotherhood were in power in Egypt, what would be the rights of women to participate in politics? Could a woman serve in Parliament, or as President?

We believe in the complete participation of women in political life — except the presidency.

Except the presidency? Why is that?

Most ulema agree that the president must be a man. Women can run for any political office except president…In Islam there are ideas and options, and Islam says it is possible [for a woman to serve as President], but for now we choose the other option. We say it is a choice, from the religious thinkers or schools of thought. But there are other options and different choices. Some [Islamic] scholars say a woman can be President, but the Muslim Brotherhood, now, at this moment, does not agree with this. Maybe after some years they'd accept this. I think so. For myself, Khaled, I personally think a woman can be President, no problem.

What about relations with Israel? What would the Brotherhood do regarding the situation between Israel and Palestine?

We think Israel is an occupation force and is not fair to the Palestinians. We do not believe in negotiation with Israel. As the Muslim Brotherhood, we must resist all this. They are an occupation force and we must resist this. Did you see what they do in Gaza, on the flotilla? Israel is a very dangerous force and we must resist. Resistance is the only way, negotiation is not useful at all.

So would the Muslim Brotherhood, if in a position of government, help groups like Hamas?

Yes, sure.

Do you recognize Israel as a state?

No.

588 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:29:22am

re: #586 McSpiff

As a Canadian... cold depends just as much on weather as pure temperature. Wind, humidity, 'dryness' all play a role in how we experience cold.

Yes, I agree. The wind makes all the difference. Also if the sun shining thru or it's overcast.

589 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:29:46am

re: #585 Fozzie Bear

Only Richard Pryor could make being on fire funny.

He made it funny.

590 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:29:55am

re: #572 Charles

Thanks, I know what he's doing. I never planned anything with him, of course, and he's obviously got a few screws loose, but the people who hate me don't care about the truth -- they just want to get those smears out there.

There's not much I can do except make a public announcement, and I don't think that's a good idea.

I'm 100 percent sure your never planned anything with him. I'm actually in the process of finding out his actual identity because there has been a number of comments by him about me, both posted here and across other blogs (places I never even heard of, but I've seen the material, since links have been sent to me by other commenters)... and much of what he has said about me is could be construed as scandalous... I'm a public person yes, but that doesn't give someone the right to use public information to make nasty claims and taunting.

So to speak... I have spy's too.

591 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:30:27am

re: #581 Fozzie Bear

I've only ever seen temperatures like -28 once in my life, and I think that's enough. It's not as bad as you might think, and yet, it's worse. If that makes any sense.

Vostok Station, Antarctica
−128.6 °F on 7-21-83

Lowest recorded temp.
BRRR!
:)

592 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:32:03am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

An Interview with the Brotherhood

Do they recognize the UN? Not that they have any real power, but if the UN recognizes Israel and the MB recognizes the UN . . . .

the illogic makes my head hurt.

593 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:33:44am

Really, to the folks in my parts, the coming blizzard translates as--PITA! Life will go on as normal. Schools might have late start or close for a day.

594 Ericus58  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:34:01am

re: #587 Killgore Trout

An Interview with the Brotherhood

" What if Israel were to completely withdraw from the West Bank, a Palestinian state were established, and Jerusalem became a shared capitol. Then would you recognize Israel?

The political view of the Muslim Brotherhood on Palestine is one state [for] Jews, Muslims, Christians — let's have a democratic election and we will see….We can make something like a secular state and have elections and we can see."

Well, can't say that no one is able to understand their thinking about Israel.

595 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:37:16am

I just finished dealing with 3 - 4 inches of snow!
Now the sun is shining and what ever is left will be mud by
3 pm!
Scratch that....it looks like it could snow a little more....
CRAP!

596 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:39:29am

re: #594 Ericus58

" What if Israel were to completely withdraw from the West Bank, a Palestinian state were established, and Jerusalem became a shared capitol. Then would you recognize Israel?

The political view of the Muslim Brotherhood on Palestine is one state [for] Jews, Muslims, Christians — let's have a democratic election and we will see….We can make something like a secular state and have elections and we can see."

Well, can't say that no one is able to understand their thinking about Israel.

They are thinking of "elections" as a way to impose "mob rule" and crush the minority if they get a majority or even a large minority. That is their notion of a "democracy."

597 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:41:13am

re: #590 Walter L. Newton

Taunting??
How the hell did he find out your mother was a HAMSTER???;-)
Much snow ??
Hope your feeling better!

598 jaunte  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:41:19am

re: #594 Ericus58

"We can make something like a one-time secular state and have elections and we can see prevail."

599 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:41:38am

re: #597 reloadingisnotahobby

What's that smell? Elderberries?

600 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:42:50am

This tweeter just asked for media orgs to confirm this:

I would love to know what's going on behind the scenes and exactly where things stand.

601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:43:04am

Sunday Crossword Puzzle time! Woo hoo!

602 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:43:07am

re: #599 lawhawk

What's that smell? Elderberries?

Just go fling a cow.

603 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:43:30am

re: #601 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sunday Crossword Puzzle time! Woo hoo!

FBV - hate to break it to you - today's Monday.

604 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:44:23am

BBL.

605 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:44:37am

re: #602 EdDantes

Just go fling a cow.

Or maybe gain access by constructing a large wooden badger.

606 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:45:34am

re: #605 oaktree

Or maybe gain access by constructing a large wooden badger.

What could go wrong?

607 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:45:36am

re: #600 reine.de.tout

This tweeter just asked for media orgs to confirm this:

I would love to know what's going on behind the scenes and exactly where things stand.

My guess is that the military is solidly behind Mubarak. They make a middleman between the protesters and the government and I seriously doubt they were ordered to fire on protesters.

608 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:46:05am

CNN analyst Peter Bergen is on CNN again telling us that the MB is nothing to be overly concerned about in Egypt ... I say BS.

609 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:46:09am

re: #605 oaktree

It's going to be one of THOSE kind of Mondays??

610 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:46:52am

re: #597 reloadingisnotahobby

Taunting??
How the hell did he find out your mother was a HAMSTER???;-)
Much snow ??
Hope your feeling better!

This storm is behaving strangely... it's an upslope, with the moisture coming UP from the gulf, southeast. It's warmer moist air meeting this arctic blast coming from the northwest... so as early as 5:30 am this morning, it was starting to snow in Denver. 35 miles west of Denver, here in Conifer, some frost, a few flurries of round white snow pellets... but a real snow hasn't started.

It seems like the real moisture and the more unstable edge of the fronts can't push enough west to effect us yet, and I've seen these kind of storms before, it's possible it won't effect us at all.

But one thing we won't get away from is the temps... it's 5.5 degrees (f) now, dropping, and it should be at about -20 degrees (f) by tomorrow.

Snow... we'll see.

611 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:48:07am

re: #610 Walter L. Newton

Correction... -20 degrees (f) by tomorrow NIGHT. (forgot night)

612 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:48:38am

re: #610 Walter L. Newton

Damn...
At least this storm was windy...I hate that!

613 EdDantes  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:49:24am

re: #608 _RememberTonyC

CNN analyst Peter Bergen is on CNN again telling us that the MB is nothing to be overly concerned about in Egypt ... I say BS.

I say BS too. Radicals in a revolution? Unheard of!

614 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:49:32am

re: #612 reloadingisnotahobby

Damn...
At least this storm wasn't windy...I hate that!

615 reloadingisnotahobby  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:50:57am

...LUNCH>>>>

616 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:51:21am

re: #565 reine.de.tout

My.
That's a quick sign off; she must be cute.

no, but she is a very cool old Jewish gal...lots of pierced earings cover her ears!....she dresses kinda funky like an elderly hippy with a butch haircut...and she has a Masters in nursing, teaches and travels around doing a lot of volunteer stuff on the reservations...I just love her to pieces, I'm very fortunate to be her 'client', but she chose me...home health care is so cool for me...a huge relief from going to the hospital 3 times a week

617 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:52:49am

re: #586 McSpiff

As a Canadian... cold depends just as much on weather as pure temperature. Wind, humidity, 'dryness' all play a role in how we experience cold.

45deg here in ABQ....long sleeved t shirt weather for several hours...nice

618 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:53:11am

re: #609 reloadingisnotahobby

It's going to be one of THOSE kind of Mondays??

Yes. The French are going to taunt us a second time...

619 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:53:36am

re: #377 thedopefishlives

Happy Blizzard Day, Lizardim. What's going on in the world?

I'm getting hysterical calls from a place telling me that my student loan is in default. This would make more sense if the student loan place hadn't just accepted my payment.

620 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:55:26am

re: #619 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm getting hysterical calls from a place telling me that my student loan is in default. This would make more sense if the student loan place hadn't just accepted my payment.

One hand not washing the other?

621 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:59:06am

re: #607 Killgore Trout

My guess is that the military is solidly behind Mubarak. They make a middleman between the protesters and the government and I seriously doubt they were ordered to fire on protesters.

like I said last week, the entire gig turns on the military...Mu could leave but that would not change things...the next guy needs the military as well....look for military backed temporary sort of junta

622 albusteve  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:00:32am

re: #610 Walter L. Newton

This storm is behaving strangely... it's an upslope, with the moisture coming UP from the gulf, southeast. It's warmer moist air meeting this arctic blast coming from the northwest... so as early as 5:30 am this morning, it was starting to snow in Denver. 35 miles west of Denver, here in Conifer, some frost, a few flurries of round white snow pellets... but a real snow hasn't started.

It seems like the real moisture and the more unstable edge of the fronts can't push enough west to effect us yet, and I've seen these kind of storms before, it's possible it won't effect us at all.

But one thing we won't get away from is the temps... it's 5.5 degrees (f) now, dropping, and it should be at about -20 degrees (f) by tomorrow.

Snow... we'll see.

I think we are on the very western edge...I use Weather Bug and they are very accurate regarding predictions

623 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:02:45am

re: #492 ralphieboy

"[The Muslim Brotherhood] rejects the idea that a woman or a Christian could be president of a Muslim country, and would tilt the nation's laws toward stricter Islamic codes"

Just swap "Muslim/Islamic" with "Christian" and you have the Tea Party's platform in a nutshell...


I don't think that's true at all.

The Tea Party would love for either Palin or Bachmann to be president.

624 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:06:16am

re: #498 oaktree

Maybe they'd discovered the normally hidden interdimensional wormhole that appear in spin dryers. The demons from that plane enter the dryer and steal single socks...

Well, if the French have figured that out, I wish they'd share with the Anglophone world.

OTOH, Chanel has started to release the Les Exclusifs line in a potentially-affordable 2.5 ounce bottle, so maybe I shouldn't ask more of the French this year.

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:12:57am

re: #524 reine.de.tout

Our friend KayinMaine?
whee!

She's calling this place the "wingnut" wagon? Now?

Good grief.

But we banned her!!! Just for not liking the war in Iraq!!!!

///

626 Alexzander  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:21:06am

There is a post on RedState "explaining" how the events in Egypt are being partly orchestrated by the Obama administration to make the Middle East a Socialist Muslin sharia law land!!11
Link to Redstate post

627 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:21:51am

re: #500 Sergey Romanov

With a bonus RP.

628 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:35:46am

re: #619 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm getting hysterical calls from a place telling me that my student loan is in default. This would make more sense if the student loan place hadn't just accepted my payment.

Probably some kind of scam.

629 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 12:41:04pm

re: #434 ryannon

I restored this deleted comment.

If anyone wants to know how to get banned from LGF, this is definitely one way.

630 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 1:52:56pm

re: #629 Charles

A case of sarcasm gone awry. I think r. was on the protesters' side, from his other comments. Well, a lesson: add // tags early and often :)

631 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 2:09:24pm

I'm surprised no one in this entire thread seems to have mentioned that Bucky isn't "dead" any more, making Uncle Ben the only holdout dead significant character in the Marvel Universe.

Guess that makes me the biggest nerd here.

632 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 3:27:34pm

re: #630 Sergey Romanov

He showed up almost immediately at the stalker blog, talking trash.

633 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Jan 31, 2011 3:32:57pm

re: #632 Charles

He showed up almost immediately at the stalker blog, talking trash.

Yeah, already read in the other thread. I took a peek there and he writes as if he was always there, using all their terms, derisive nicknames, insults... Now I get why one could be pissed off about banning, but running straight to the blog run by genocide deniers, racists and truthers?


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