Michael Wolraith’s book Blowing SmokeExternal Image is an interesting and useful take on right wing “persecution politics,” and he asked me to participate in his Talking Points Memo Book Club discussion. Here’s my contribution: The New Tribalism.
(Hopefully, they’ll fix my user icon and profile soon…)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:37:52pm |
So...the new tribalism does not involve loin clothes and drum circles?
How about slow-cooked ribs and other outdoor foods?
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bluecheese Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:38:04pm |
reading that reminded me of a Ted video, and how conservatives rank group loyalty higher than liberals do in their moral compass.
interesting stuff.
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Four More Tears Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:38:56pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:40:25pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:40:40pm |
re: #3 JasonA
I find party loyalty to be kinda creepy.
You are part of the Democrat Party and a traitor!
Take him away!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:41:02pm |
re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I think it's short-sighted and stupid.
If there were a cake party, you'd sign up.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:41:09pm |
nice, that next to last paragraph is right in the money...the shared reality need not reflect actual reality....very spooky
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Kragar Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:41:56pm |
re: #5 Varek Raith
You are part of the Democrat Party and a traitor!
Take him away!
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Vader clearly suffers from Alzheimers as he could not recognize 2 Droids, 1 of which he built himself, that he worked with intimately for over a decade.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:42:24pm |
re: #3 JasonA
I find party loyalty to be kinda creepy.
same here...you must accept a certain identification...heh, not gonna happen with me
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freetoken Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:44:26pm |
The speed at which talking points can spread within any "community" these days is breathtaking.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:46:13pm |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Vader clearly suffers from Alzheimers as he could not recognize 2 Droids, 1 of which he built himself, that he worked with intimately for over a decade.
I don't think he ever saw C-3PO in any of the IV-VI series, and he only saw R2-D2 through the gunsites of his TIEx1 Advanced during the battle of Yavin. So I think your argument fails based on that.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:46:45pm |
re: #3 JasonA
I find party loyalty to be kinda creepy.
Why? I find it a matter of standing with your team.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:48:48pm |
re: #3 JasonA
I find party loyalty to be kinda creepy.
Depends on the party. Loyalty to a political party? I've never understood it. Makes no damned sense. The only reason I vote (D) is because the (R) faction in this state is bugfuck insane, and third parties aren't worth discussing around here.
However, loyalty to a party party? I can get behind that, especially if there's an open bar. :D
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jaunte Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:49:34pm |
Funny review of The New Tribalism at Amazon...
I really loved this book. It does a great job of giving you a framework through which to dissect the ridiculous arguments spewed on Fox and talk radio. It actually gets to be somewhat comical listening to conservative pundits once you realize that they use the exact same argument for virtually every issue:1) Slippery slope. If we allow gay marriage, we'll have to allow human-toad marriage!
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:49:53pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Why? I find it a matter of standing with your team.
drones...everyone thinking the same thing...we're not talking rugby here, but ideological sameness, loyalty to a thought process...like political Orcs
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:50:41pm |
re: #14 Lidane
Depends on the party. Loyalty to a political party? I've never understood it. Makes no damned sense. The only reason I vote (D) is because the (R) faction in this state is bugfuck insane, and third parties aren't worth discussing around here.
However, loyalty to a party party? I can get behind that, especially if there's an open bar. :D
was my next party joke...boo!
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Kragar Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:51:06pm |
re: #12 Dark_Falcon
I don't think he ever saw C-3PO in any of the IV-VI series, and he only saw R2-D2 through the gunsites of his TIEx1 Advanced during the battle of Yavin. So I think your argument fails based on that.
No, he saw C-3P0 on Bespin, and in the comics, saw them several times.
Don't get me started on Ben Kenobi.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:51:18pm |
Amazing that people whose racial and religious groups still make up large majorities see themselves as victims of something un-American. I think changes we've seen over the last few decades, and especially the last few years, have them scared as they fear what the future America will look like.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:51:38pm |
re: #15 jaunte
1) Slippery slope. If we allow gay marriage, we'll have to allow human-toad marriage!
Hypno-Toad approves.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:52:00pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Why? I find it a matter of standing with your team.
Except they're not "teams" and this isn't a game.
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freetoken Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:52:36pm |
re: #2 bluecheese
Yeah, that's a troubling one, because "loyalty" can be so blind to moral predicates. I wonder sometimes how that trait (of putting loyalty so high on a list of importance) blends with the hyper-religiousness of the stated "values" of a great deal of the far right.
As way of example, I note how in Iowa and New Hampshire the religious right is trying to make homosexuality, creationism, and abortion the defining qualities of "conservative" and "Republican". The emerging (latest version) tribe of "conservative/Republican" is being defined as those loyal to the most fundamentalist of religious groups.
The term used in one statement was "legitimate"; in Iowa, one local fundamentalist leader said any wanna-be Republican presidential nominee wouldn't be considered "legitimate" unless that person towed the line on homosexual marriage.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:53:20pm |
Well written Charles. Rube Goldberg mechanism indeed, I might add augmented with the old perpetual motion machinery.
True partisans can only see half of the problem, by definition. The future is a post wing point of view, albeit within a two sensible party system. Solutions come from crossing the aisle to work together. The GOP abandoned this ability, to the detriment of us all. I'm old enough to remember Tip O'Neill doing this well. Even Newt Gingrich back in the day. Bill Clinton was famous or infamous for this, and Obama would do the same given a chance.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:53:24pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Why? I find it a matter of standing with your team.
Speaking for myself, it has never made sense. Maybe that comes from having lived on the border and seeing the people who identify with the PRI or PAN in Mexico. I didn't get it then, and don't get it now.
Loyalty to an American political party makes even less sense, since there are only two viable choices anyway. It's like fighting over chocolate or vanilla being the better ice cream.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:53:40pm |
Charles: neo-tribalism?
Good post. I can't help but constantly notice the the base racism covered with a plastic bag of intellectualism to hide the rotting stench.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:53:44pm |
re: #2 bluecheese
reading that reminded me of a Ted video, and how conservatives rank group loyalty higher than liberals do in their moral compass.
interesting stuff.
Which may be why republicans can get their whip counts so much more easily than Dems. Conformity isn't really a big value to the Dems, at least not as much.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:53:48pm |
Charles Johnson posting at TPM. Man. Times have changed.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:54:41pm |
re: #18 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
No, he saw C-3P0 on Bespin, and in the comics, saw them several times.
Don't get me started on Ben Kenobi.
Point to you. I stand corrected.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:55:38pm |
re: #27 Talking Point Detective
Man's gotta eat, and get his POV out.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:55:40pm |
re: #27 Talking Point Detective
Have the times changed, or are things just so far out of whack on the right that Charles posting at TPM makes sense?
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:56:40pm |
re: #31 Lidane
Have the times changed, or are things just so far out of whack on the right that Charles posting at TPM makes sense?
Both perhaps.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:57:27pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Why? I find it a matter of standing with your team.
DF, is standing by your team a virtue when your team is cheating or committing excessive Unsportsmanlike Conduct?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:57:32pm |
The problem isn't people sharing an identity with others. That's pretty much the history of mankind. It's the us vs. them. That's a regression in civilization.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:57:40pm |
re: #24 Lidane
Speaking for myself, it has never made sense. Maybe that comes from having lived on the border and seeing the people who identify with the PRI or PAN in Mexico. I didn't get it then, and don't get it now.
Loyalty to an American political party makes even less sense, since there are only two viable choices anyway. It's like fighting over chocolate or vanilla being the better ice cream.
in Jamaica, political factions are fanatic...every election cycle they riot and kill each other, more like biker gangs...fuckers are crazy
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:57:51pm |
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:58:11pm |
re: #26 palomino
Which may be why republicans can get their whip counts so much more easily than Dems. Conformity isn't really a big value to the Dems, at least not as much.
Actually, the reason is that Democrats in the US represent both sides of politics, in the simplistic left-right model. Being the only significant political party, they now represent both the left and the right, and thus will always have a certain lack of unity on many issues.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 7:59:55pm |
re: #38 Renaissance_Man
Actually, the reason is that Democrats in the US represent both sides of politics, in the simplistic left-right model. Being the only significant political party, they now represent both the left and the right, and thus will always have a certain lack of unity on many issues.
True, there is no analog in the GOP to the blue dogs. Really just right and farther right. Plus a small and still dwindling number of scared ineffectual moderates (the Maine ladies, for example).
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:00:07pm |
re: #27 Talking Point Detective
Charles Johnson posting at TPM. Man. Times have changed.
Yeah. All those stalker blog assessments of LGF being so lame and CJ being.... mendacious... (LOL)... how do you like them apples?
Looking forward to stalker retorts posted on alternate blogs of any consequence. It may be a long time.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:00:41pm |
Goodnight, all.
May your wishes & dreams come true.
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Lidane Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:03:10pm |
re: #39 palomino
True, there is no analog in the GOP to the blue dogs. Really just right and farther right. Plus a small and still dwindling number of scared ineffectual moderates (the Maine ladies, for example).
And those Maine ladies are now the targets of the Tea Party, along with people like Luger and Hatch. The GOP is shifting farther and farther to the right if someone like Orrin Hatch isn't seen as a reliable conservative anymore.
Ever since Clinton was POTUS, the Dems have had to take up the mantle of being the center-to-center-right party in this country, since the GOP have gone full retard, and there's no real viable left wing party in this country, since the Greens are useless.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:03:28pm |
Anyway, I think that Charles really nailed it.
Surfing around the interwebs, I'm always amazed at the uniformity of rightwing talking points. No matter which website - they promote virtually identical arguments; the outrageous figures for Obama's overseas trip is a good example - comments on all the blogs had the same numbers even though the numbers were completely bogus.
It's hard for me to have perspective, being a lefty, by from by viewpoint there's no way that there is the same uniformity in the arguments from the left. It would make an interesting political science dissertation.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:05:01pm |
re: #39 palomino
True, there is no analog in the GOP to the blue dogs. Really just right and farther right. Plus a small and still dwindling number of scared ineffectual moderates (the Maine ladies, for example).
I think there is a large, moderate mob of republicans...puttering away, doing their thing until election time, when most are used by the party to shore up the numbers...people uninformed and basically oblivious of their party's leadership and motives...they vote, then they go home and watch TV...not bad people, just ignorant
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bluecheese Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:05:57pm |
re: #26 palomino
Which may be why republicans can get their whip counts so much more easily than Dems. Conformity isn't really a big value to the Dems, at least not as much.
I think this is true.
I also think that the 27 percenters, ie the Crazification Factor, are folks that rank group loyalty really high.
We all tend to fall inline with our groups though..... Human nature.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:06:35pm |
re: #43 Talking Point Detective
Anyway, I think that Charles really nailed it.
Surfing around the interwebs, I'm always amazed at the uniformity of rightwing talking points. No matter which website - they promote virtually identical arguments; the outrageous figures for Obama's overseas trip is a good example - comments on all the blogs had the same numbers even though the numbers were completely bogus.
It's hard for me to have perspective, being a lefty, by from by viewpoint there's no way that there is the same uniformity in the arguments from the left. It would make an interesting political science dissertation.
democrats tax and spend...uniformity
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:06:54pm |
re: #44 albusteve
I think there is a large, moderate mob of republicans...puttering away, doing their thing until election time, when most are used by the party to shore up the numbers...people uninformed and basically oblivious of their party's leadership and motives...they vote, then they go home and watch TV...not bad people, just ignorant
They're called independents.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:08:22pm |
re: #47 Talking Point Detective
They're called independents.
no, they are republicans, towing the party line
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:08:24pm |
re: #40 BigPapa
Yeah. All those stalker blog assessments of LGF being so lame and CJ being... mendacious... (LOL)... how do you like them apples?
Looking forward to stalker retorts posted on alternate blogs of any consequence. It may be a long time.
I suspect they think Shrieky will allow one of them a guest post. Of course, that would just make them even more lame.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:08:46pm |
re: #42 Lidane
And those Maine ladies are now the targets of the Tea Party, along with people like Luger and Hatch. The GOP is shifting farther and farther to the right if someone like Orrin Hatch isn't seen as a reliable conservative anymore.
Ever since Clinton was POTUS, the Dems have had to take up the mantle of being the center-to-center-right party in this country, since the GOP have gone full retard, and there's no real viable left wing party in this country, since the Greens are useless.
Well said. And you gotta remember one thing about Hatch: he was really good friends with Ted Kennedy, of all people. So by the transitive properties of Satan, Hatch is also the devil.
In Maine, a TP GOPer is likely to lose in the general. But we already know that's not the case in Utah. States that are blood red, and fit the TP demo, may keep the TP going for a while.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:08:57pm |
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:09:13pm |
re: #46 albusteve
democrats tax and spend...uniformity
Dems (let alone lefties) were all over the map on Obama's tax cuts.
There are big splits in funding for the war in Afghanistan.
Any more swiss-cheese like examples?
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sizzleRI Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:11:16pm |
re: #46 albusteve
And republicans spend and spend. Look at all the talking points. Both sides.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:11:20pm |
re: #52 Talking Point Detective
Dems (let alone lefties) were all over the map on Obama's tax cuts.
There are big splits in funding for the war in Afghanistan.
Any more swiss-cheese like examples?
traditionally, it's an accurate observation...and most are rude as well
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:12:20pm |
re: #44 albusteve
I think there is a large, moderate mob of republicans...puttering away, doing their thing until election time, when most are used by the party to shore up the numbers...people uninformed and basically oblivious of their party's leadership and motives...they vote, then they go home and watch TV...not bad people, just ignorant
Maybe, but are there really that many folks like Scott Brown? And there's no semi-separatist movement in the GOP like the Blue Dogs.
I'm sure a lot of it is for show with some GOP pols, but in the long run it makes little difference since they won't buck the party on anything. The GOP establishment never gets criticized from the left in the party, only from the right. Situation is the opposite for Dems--blue dogs and liberals scream at the Dem establishment from right and left.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:12:34pm |
re: #53 sizzleRI
And republicans spend and spend. Look at all the talking points. Both sides.
yeah, I saw that back in the late 2000's...like drunken sailors
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:12:56pm |
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:13:00pm |
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:14:22pm |
re: #54 albusteve
traditionally, it's an accurate observation...and most are rude as well
Are you aware that over the past 50 years or so, debt to GDP and spending as a % of revenue have been worse in each Republican administration than they were in the Dem administrations that preceded or followed?
What was that about tax and spend?
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:14:33pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
I suspect they think Shrieky will allow one of them a guest post. Of course, that would just make them even more lame.
I said any blogs of consequence (You Betcha Wink).
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:15:21pm |
re: #55 palomino
Maybe, but are there really that many folks like Scott Brown? And there's no semi-separatist movement in the GOP like the Blue Dogs.
I'm sure a lot of it is for show with some GOP pols, but in the long run it makes little difference since they won't buck the party on anything. The GOP establishment never gets criticized from the left in the party, only from the right. Situation is the opposite for Dems--blue dogs and liberals scream at the Dem establishment from right and left.
whoever they are, they hold the key for any serious transformation back to reality for the GOP...but at this point, they don't even know that...I'm not very optimistic that right wing insanity is going to fade away any time soon...maybe a few election cycles, maybe never...who knows?
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:15:57pm |
re: #59 Talking Point Detective
Are you aware that over the past 50 years or so, debt to GDP and spending as a % of revenue have been worse in each Republican administration than they were in the Dem administrations that preceded or followed?
What was that about tax and spend?
Oh, you with your facts and figures. Important thing is what's in your gut--more nerve endings than in the brain.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:16:20pm |
re: #48 albusteve
no, they are republicans, towing the party line
Moderate Republicans are a rare breed. The current-day Republican Party as more extremists than perhaps any other time in our history.
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bratwurst Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:16:45pm |
re: #59 Talking Point Detective
Are you aware that over the past 50 years or so, debt to GDP and spending as a % of revenue have been worse in each Republican administration than they were in the Dem administrations that preceded or followed?
What was that about tax and spend?
You REALLY want to ruin his curmudgeon schtick with stats and facts and stuff?/
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:17:07pm |
re: #58 palomino
better than borrow and spend uniformity?
don't know anymore...I'm not too serious about party politics and my overall feelings about the feds is well documented...we're DOOMED!
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jaunte Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:17:28pm |
I'm in favor of Republican tax brackets: the Eisenhower Republican tax brackets.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:18:47pm |
re: #59 Talking Point Detective
Are you aware that over the past 50 years or so, debt to GDP and spending as a % of revenue have been worse in each Republican administration than they were in the Dem administrations that preceded or followed?
What was that about tax and spend?
it was an informal jest, a jab at the donks
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:19:16pm |
I'd just like to state, possibly for the thousandth time, that I am not a Republican, and I am not a conservative.
I want nothing to do with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I don't know why some people still insist on putting me in that category.
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JAFO Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:19:43pm |
re: #65 albusteve
don't know anymore...I'm not too serious about party politics and my overall feelings about the feds is well documented...we're DOOMED!
I'd put my money on the left to be the more fiscally responsible. I see no fiscal responsibility from the right.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:19:51pm |
re: #64 bratwurst
You REALLY want to ruin his curmudgeon schtick with stats and facts and stuff?/
If someone is missing a leg they get a curmudgeon pass.
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bratwurst Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:20:00pm |
re: #66 jaunte
I'm in favor of Republican tax brackets: the Eisenhower Republican tax brackets.
Hey, if you proposed the REAGAN tax brackets at this point you'd be accused of class warfare!
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:20:03pm |
re: #61 albusteve
whoever they are, they hold the key for any serious transformation back to reality for the GOP...but at this point, they don't even know that...I'm not very optimistic that right wing insanity is going to fade away any time soon...maybe a few election cycles, maybe never...who knows?
Last time the GOP went far right--1964-- the party was saved by moderates like NIxon, Ford, Rockefeller. I don't see a Nixon, Ford or Rockefeller in the current mix, but maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
I think this time is different because the culture war is even more intense. Battle lines have been clearly drawn on so many social issues it would be hard in the short run for the GOP to pull back much. And all the momentum in the party is going toward the fringe, not the middle.
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HypnoToad Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:20:42pm |
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:21:12pm |
re: #64 bratwurst
You REALLY want to ruin his curmudgeon schtick with stats and facts and stuff?/
yeah he does...a very unrelaxed guy...after all this is planet shifting stuff we are going to dissect and figure out here
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:21:32pm |
re: #68 Charles
I'd just like to state, possibly for the thousandth time, that I am not a Republican, and I am not a conservative.
I want nothing to do with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I don't know why some people still insist on putting me in that category.
RINO!
/
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:21:40pm |
re: #63 Talking Point Detective
Moderate Republicans are a rare breed. The current-day Republican Party as more extremists than perhaps any other time in our history.
During the lame duck session, Republicans felt more safe about voting their own views and not the party line. It was at that point that the number of moderate Republican senators doubled--from 3 to 6. Woo hoo.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:21:42pm |
re: #68 Charles
I'd just like to state, possibly for the thousandth time, that I am not a Republican, and I am not a conservative.
I want nothing to do with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I don't know why some people still insist on putting me in that category.
Old labels die hard.
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andres Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:21:59pm |
re: #69 mracb
I'd put my money on the left to be the more fiscally responsible. I see no fiscal responsibility from the right.
Well, it depends. If you base your observation on their campaign promises, the Right is actually more fiscal responsible. If you base your observation on actions, you are quite correct.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:22:44pm |
re: #65 albusteve
don't know anymore...I'm not too serious about party politics and my overall feelings about the feds is well documented...we're DOOMED!
The Doomed part I agree with. The only question is whether that doom happens before or after I die. Oops, that sounds almost evangelical.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:23:17pm |
re: #78 andres
Well, it depends. If you base your observation on their campaign promises, the Right is actually more fiscal responsible. If you base your observation on actions, you are quite correct.
If I were sober I'd google some deficit graphs and shit but I'm not so I won't.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:23:34pm |
re: #66 jaunte
I'm in favor of Republican tax brackets: the Eisenhower Republican tax brackets.
He was a liberal, nearly a radical. Just look how he partnered up with the Soviets.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:23:37pm |
re: #67 albusteve
it was an informal jest, a jab at the donks
Ok - but you need to understand that it is an incredibly widely-held misconception.
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JAFO Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:24:34pm |
re: #66 jaunte
I'm in favor of Republican tax brackets: the Eisenhower Republican tax brackets.
Really, citizens want the greatness of America from the 50s and 60s back. That greatness was built with high taxes. We keep cutting taxes, and wonder why America isn't keeping up anymore with the rest of the world, and some peoples solution is to cut them some more.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:24:35pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
If I were sober I'd google some deficit graphs and shit but I'm not so I won't.
Post em drunk..... most wouldn't make heads or tails out of them anyway.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:24:37pm |
re: #68 Charles
Tonight fiscal conservatism crossed the aisle big time, via Governor Jerry Brown and the California budget crisis. Fiscal conservatism is there for either party to embrace, or deny. You may find his speech interesting if you get a chance to see it or read it.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:24:46pm |
I think tribalism, religious/racial bigotry, anti-immigration, etc have roots in fear/hatred of the "other" and the unknown. It must have been an evolutionarily advantageous trait to not only become bonded with your own group (the social aspect), but to also be unified emotionally against potential threats to your resources and lives.
I have a feeling it may take humanity an extremely long time to shake this tribalism BS, if ever.
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:25:11pm |
re: #68 Charles
I'd just like to state, possibly for the thousandth time, that I am not a Republican, and I am not a conservative.
I want nothing to do with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I don't know why some people still insist on putting me in that category.
Great article, Charles. Concise and to the point.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:25:51pm |
re: #68 Charles
I'd just like to state, possibly for the thousandth time, that I am not a Republican, and I am not a conservative.
I want nothing to do with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I don't know why some people still insist on putting me in that category.
it's very clear where you stand, but that won't stop the abuse
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bluecheese Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:26:04pm |
re: #56 albusteve
yeah, I saw that back in the late 2000's...like drunken sailors
Are you familiar with Jude Wanniski's Two Santa Claus Theory?
In Wanniski's view, the Laffer curve and supply-side economics provide an attractive alternative rationale for revenue reduction: that under reduced taxation the economy will grow, not merely that the government will be starved of revenue, and that that growth is an attractive option to present to the voters. Wanniski argued that Republicans must become the tax-cutting Santa Claus to the Democrats' spending Santa Claus.
Except that the Laffer curve, and supply-side economics have long ago stopped being of any use. But Republicans keep giving out those presents... TAX CUTS!!!!! MORE DEFENSE SPENDING!!!!!!!
The notion that Republicans are fiscally responsible is a much older joke than the late 2000's.... in my view.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:27:44pm |
re: #79 palomino
The Doomed part I agree with. The only question is whether that doom happens before or after I die. Oops, that sounds almost evangelical.
will the republican mods vote for Palin?...I believe they are stupid enough to do that
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:28:31pm |
re: #84 Mr Pancakes
Post em drunk... most wouldn't make heads or tails out of them anyway.
Google:defit republican democrat graph
Mostly lefty sites. Maybe some sort of tribalism at work here.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:28:39pm |
re: #13 Dark_Falcon
Why? I find it a matter of standing with your team.
I have no party, realistically. As a real socialist, I understand that those running under that banner will get nowhere in America. That said, I'd rather see progress rather than regress being made in society ;) so I look very carefully at the character of the individuals running. Roughly 90% of the time that means I vote for the Democratic Party candidate, but not always. I have voted very consistently for Republican Party candidates that put society above profit margins. And then there are the final 2% where I vote third party because both the 2 primary candidates are too bugfuck crazy to willingly support. I was in that spot, for example, in the 1984 presidential election and voted the Socialist ticket that year on my absentee ballot sent from my US Army post in Illeshiem, FRG.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:29:36pm |
re: #82 Talking Point Detective
Ok - but you need to understand that it is an incredibly widely-held misconception.
no I don't...I'm comfortable here by myself, not giving one shit about somebody else's misconceptions
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:30:38pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
If I were sober I'd google some deficit graphs and shit but I'm not so I won't.
LOL...if I were sober I might read them, but I'm not
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:32:57pm |
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What, me worry? Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:00pm |
re: #93 prairiefire
Glad tidings for the day, Marjorie!
hehe You too, my friend! Although my day's almost up!
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:33:45pm |
re: #68 Charles
I'd just like to state, possibly for the thousandth time, that I am not a Republican, and I am not a conservative.
I want nothing to do with the Republican Party or the conservative movement. I don't know why some people still insist on putting me in that category.
Hey.. wanna share a tent? Oh wait...
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:34:06pm |
re: #97 Mr Pancakes
Wow ... you said "well said" to albusteve... that's a surprise.
I noticed, I'm flattered
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:35:21pm |
re: #80 Killgore Trout
If I were sober I'd google some deficit graphs and shit but I'm not so I won't.
I've lost my better bookmarks. Here's a decent one:
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:35:43pm |
re: #99 BigPapa
Hey.. wanna share a tent? Oh wait...
Charles would make an excellent rabble rouser as the dissenting voice on Fox tv...
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:36:51pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:37:03pm |
re: #101 Talking Point Detective
The requested content cannot be loaded.
Please try again later.
Nice. very Zen. Patience is a virtue. I get it.
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albusteve Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:37:37pm |
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Lidane Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:37:56pm |
re: #102 albusteve
Charles would make an excellent rabble rouser as the dissenting voice on Fox tv...
I don't think he'd want the liver damage. Being around that much fail would drive anyone to drink.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:38:20pm |
re: #102 albusteve
Charles would make an excellent rabble rouser as the dissenting voice on Fox tv...
He doesn't talk fast or yell loud enough for the Style Beats Substance network. Methinks he'd do fine if he wanted to.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:38:59pm |
If I'm going to be the one doing all the intellectual heavy lifting packing this tent in, setting it up, and packing it back out later - it's going to be a one person tent. Sorry folks. ;)
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bluecheese Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:39:52pm |
re: #83 mracb
Really, citizens want the greatness of America from the 50s and 60s back. That greatness was built with high taxes. We keep cutting taxes, and wonder why America isn't keeping up anymore with the rest of the world, and some peoples solution is to cut them some more.
I see this sentiment a lot in the liberal places I go to on the web, and by and large, I agree with it. But sometimes I wonder, how big a factor was domestic energy production in that great accumulation of wealth here in the United States..
I'm not convinced at all that with such large energy imports, and crap industrial policy, that a better tax policy would make such a big difference in the here and now.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:14pm |
re: #85 Rightwingconspirator
Tonight fiscal conservatism crossed the aisle big time, via Governor Jerry Brown and the California budget crisis. Fiscal conservatism is there for either party to embrace, or deny. You may find his speech interesting if you get a chance to see it or read it.
It was only a speech. I'll judge Brown by the budget that actually passes.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:19pm |
Not sure why that doesn't work - the graph comes up when I paste the URL into my address bar.
Well, here's the website.
[Link: www.angrybearblog.com...]
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:43pm |
Snowmageddon is on its way to Kansas City. 12-14 inches with 40 mile an hour winds!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:40:55pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
The requested content cannot be loaded.
Please try again later.
If the content can't be loaded why wait. Maybe the wait is the content. Is the wait empty or is it filled with time?
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:41:08pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
Nice. very Zen. Patience is a virtue. I get it.
Desire is the root of all suffering.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:42:51pm |
re: #112 prairiefire
Snowmageddon is on its way to Kansas City. 12-14 inches with 40 mile an hour winds!
That's somewhat overwrought. Chicago has seen two feet of snow over two days back in 2000. So we'll whine a bit, but we'll get through it.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:43:16pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
It was only a speech. I'll judge Brown by the budget that actually passes.
Brown will be a figurehead like Arnold was........ no power..... Jerry knows this. This state is totally screwed....... They all come in with delusions of grandeur.... then reality sets in.
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Political Atheist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:43:17pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
He is certainly proposing, judge the legislature, they hold the yes or no. If they thwart him, they get the blame. IMO. His budget is online and has a tool where you can balance it your way. Pretty good work there.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:43:27pm |
re: #112 prairiefire
Snowmageddon is on its way to Kansas City. 12-14 inches with 40 mile an hour winds!
The storm is here in Oklahoma..First thunder then hail..now is the ice and next is the snow...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:43:52pm |
re: #114 Talking Point Detective
Desire is the root of all suffering.
I learned that lesson again earlier today. Someone fucked me in the meat world something serious. I'll send a polite email in the morning acknowledging the act but I'm not getting sucked into drama and debate. It is what it is.
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justaminute Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:45:06pm |
re: #112 prairiefire
Snowmageddon is on its way to Kansas City. 12-14 inches with 40 mile an hour winds!
I know here in Oklahoma City it's just starting and already my food suppliers have canceled food deliveries for tomorrow. My husband went to close the restaurant and we never close.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:45:16pm |
re: #112 prairiefire
Snowmageddon is on its way to Kansas City. 12-14 inches with 40 mile an hour winds!
It hasn't been so bad here in ABQ so far. We need the water and I was actually getting a little jealous of others with their cold weather and snow.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:48:59pm |
Fucking hardest lesson in the book.
Seems like life without desire would be incredibly boring - but wanting something other than what you actually have is (usually) a pretty self-defeating activity.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:49:41pm |
re: #120 justaminute
I know here in Oklahoma City it's just starting and already my food suppliers have canceled food deliveries for tomorrow. My husband went to close the restaurant and we never close.
I didn't know we were so close..I'll be at coyote ugly bar Saturday night in Oklahoma City with some Hoosiers
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:50:31pm |
re: #101 Talking Point Detective
I've lost my better bookmarks. Here's a decent one:
Funny thing is, I got two updings for that.
I guess I could have just pretended I did it on purpose.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:51:41pm |
re: #108 prononymous
If I'm going to be the one doing all the intellectual heavy lifting packing this tent in, setting it up, and packing it back out later - it's going to be a one person tent. Sorry folks. ;)
But you are welcome to pack in your own tent and roast some irrational marshmallows and sing kumbaya and hava nagila around the fire with me if you like.
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prairiefire Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:52:20pm |
re: #121 prononymous
It hasn't been so bad here in ABQ so far. We need the water and I was actually getting a little jealous of others with their cold weather and snow.
Don't be jealous. I'll be wandering barefoot through the drifts of snow in a long white gown, soon. Just like an old fashioned pioneer prairie angel.
Also, school is closed.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:52:48pm |
re: #124 Talking Point Detective
Funny thing is, I got two updings for that.
I guess I could have just pretended I did it on purpose.
Makes sense...... I got down-dinged for quoting The Who on another thread.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:54:01pm |
re: #127 prairiefire
Don't be jealous. I'll be wandering barefoot through the drifts of snow in a long white gown, soon. Just like an old fashioned pioneer prairie angel.
Also, school is closed.
The jealousy is passing quickly. I hate the cold.
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Kragar Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:54:43pm |
And now, the old Tribalism
They grow no food, raise no livestock, and live without rules or calendars. They are living a hunter-gatherer existence that is little changed from 10,000 years ago. What do they know that we've forgotten?
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justaminute Mon, Jan 31, 2011 8:55:17pm |
re: #123 HoosierHoops
I didn't know we were so close..I'll be at coyote ugly bar Saturday night in Oklahoma City with some Hoosiers
Movies for me Saturday, I spent last Sat, at a bar with our friends. Do you know how many great tasting shots they make now and how evil they are? Chocolate cake shots, umm, 3 of those and you walk funny. It was fun.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:02:50pm |
re: #131 justaminute
Movies for me Saturday, I spent last Sat, at a bar with our friends. Do you know how many great tasting shots they make now and how evil they are? Chocolate cake shots, umm, 3 of those and you walk funny. It was fun.
34 of us are heading up i35 from Norman Saturday night..
I'm not driving...so it will be fun...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:03:54pm |
The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:04:57pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained
[Video]
Get it?
Yep, I get it.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:05:27pm |
OK, so when is 9 am Cairo time here EST? Tomorrow is going to be very interesting.
Million Egyptian March.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:06:12pm |
re: #136 Stanley Sea
OK, so when is 9 am Cairo time here EST? Tomorrow is going to be very interesting.
Million Egyptian March.
And Bill Ayers will lead them.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:06:37pm |
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:07:17pm |
re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist
And Bill Ayers will lead them.
Oh I'm reading more about bad bad Bernadette!
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justaminute Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:08:06pm |
re: #133 HoosierHoops
34 of us are heading up i35 from Norman Saturday night..
I'm not driving...so it will be fun...
My daughter could be at Ugly Saturday night. You guys had better be good, you don't want her Iranian dad going all sharia law on you! Haha///
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JAFO Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:08:27pm |
On a light note, for anybody who's experienced iphone's psycho auto-correct, you'll love this site. I've been laughing so hard it hurts.
[Link: damnyouautocorrect.com...]
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sizzleRI Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:09:18pm |
I don't know if this has already been posted, I've been away for awhile, but I just saw it and think its pretty cool. Barbara Bush the younger comes out for marriage equality:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:09:41pm |
re: #141 mracb
On a light note, for anybody who's experienced iphone's psycho auto-correct, you'll love this site. I've been laughing so hard it hurts.
[Link: damnyouautocorrect.com...]
Man.... I am iphone ignorant it appears.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:09:51pm |
re: #141 mracb
On a light note, for anybody who's experienced iphone's psycho auto-correct, you'll love this site. I've been laughing so hard it hurts.
[Link: damnyouautocorrect.com...]
LOL, I hate that feature! FIX IT APPLE
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Killgore Trout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:10:20pm |
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:10:49pm |
I'm having a baby right now
Got damn spell check
I'm having a beer right now
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:11:22pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
I'm having a baby right now
Got damn spell check
I'm having a beer right now
Boil water!
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justaminute Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:12:33pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:12:38pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
I'm having a baby right now
Got damn spell check
I'm having a beer right now
Oh..... woops Got Damn confused me.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:13:23pm |
re: #137 SanFranciscoZionist
And Bill Ayers will lead them.
The murderous asshole would find kindred spirits among the Muslim Brotherhood. Thankfully, most of those marching are not going to be murderous totalitarians like the MB.
/spits on Ayers
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:13:34pm |
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HoosierHoops Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:14:17pm |
re: #140 justaminute
My daughter could be at Ugly Saturday night. You guys had better be good, you don't want her Iranian dad going all sharia law on you! Haha///
Awesome! Tell your daughter to be on the look-out for a bunch of really cool people from Indiana..Trust me..We will be hard to be be missed..
Regards
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:15:01pm |
re: #152 Mr Pancakes
More iphone humor I suppose.
I guess you have to be a victim to appreciate.
I am laughing so hard.
Thanks mracb!!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:16:29pm |
re: #154 Stanley Sea
I guess you have to be a victim to appreciate.
I am laughing so hard.
Thanks mracb!!
Victim is right.... I am T-Moblie's victim right now ..... but their days are numbered.
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palomino Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:21:01pm |
re: #90 albusteve
will the republican mods vote for Palin?...I believe they are stupid enough to do that
Some will, why not? If the other candidates are posturing just as far to the right, as I suspect they will, then I guess she becomes more viable to the party's moderates.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:21:46pm |
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justaminute Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:26:39pm |
re: #155 Mr Pancakes
Victim is right... I am T-Moblie's victim right now ... but their days are numbered.
I have T Mobile too and I hate them. I don't know where I read it but there was a story about a terrorist that had a bomb vest on and before she could get to her destination her bomb went off because the timer was a cell phone and the service co. was sending her a message. That could be T Mobile.//
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JAFO Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:29:59pm |
There's a Cnet zoomable map page of cell phone coverage and T-mobile is just pathetic for coverage.
[Link: reviews.cnet.com...]
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:32:39pm |
re: #160 justaminute
I have T Mobile too and I hate them. I don't know where I read it but there was a story about a terrorist that had a bomb vest on and before she could get to her destination her bomb went off because the timer was a cell phone and the service co. was sending her a message. That could be T Mobile.//
I read that today. It was a "Happy New Year" message from her fricken cell carrier.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:36:53pm |
re: #160 justaminute
I have T Mobile too and I hate them. I don't know where I read it but there was a story about a terrorist that had a bomb vest on and before she could get to her destination her bomb went off because the timer was a cell phone and the service co. was sending her a message. That could be T Mobile.//
Darwin Akbar!
/Haven't had an excuse to trot that out for a while now.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:45:09pm |
Children: me me me!
Wingers: meme meme meme!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:47:01pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:47:58pm |
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:50:30pm |
The march is scheduled to begin at 9am local time (7am GMT, 2am EST)
The protesters seem to be increasingly energised this morning. They clearly are determined to get today's march stating with a big bang. The atmosphere on Tahrir Square is very good. People seem to feel that some sort of victory is the air.
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Stanghazi Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:56:46pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 9:57:54pm |
re: #172 BigPapa
ALL YOUR ALINSKYS ARE BELONG TO US.
"You are on the way to destruction. You have no chance, make your time."
"Ha ha ha!!"
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:02:46pm |
I just realized why Beck uses chalk boards so much: his audience can't read more than a few sentences.
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Gus Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:07:15pm |
re: #175 BigPapa
I just realized why Beck uses chalk boards so much: his audience can't read more than a few sentences.
His audience can read?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:09:59pm |
re: #176 Gus 802
His audience can read?
They buy his books and then tweet about them endlessly. So yes, they must be able to read. It's just that most of them aren't either able or willing to think.
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Gus Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:10:14pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:18:16pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
Go to the link to see who's behind this move. It's none other than winger zealot Scott Wheeler.
I know. Here's part of his column where he lays out his (loony) case:
Why Scott Brown Must be Defeated
By Scott Wheeler
An organization I run, The National Republican Trust PAC, raised and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to help Scott Brown win the Massachusetts special election to fill the seat vacated upon the death of Ted Kennedy. That organization will now do everything possible to see that Brown is defeated by a primary opponent when he faces reelection in 2012. Why? Because there is no difference between him and a Democrat.
Now, we knew going in that Massachusetts is a liberal state and we would not be able to count on Brown for very much but something even people in his very blue home state would have understood is a vote against ratifying the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START).
The excuses for voting in favor of New START are pathetic. Basically those in favor insisted that the Treaty would allow US inspectors back into Russia to make sure they are eliminating their nuclear stockpile in accordance with the Treaty. Mitigating that however is the fact that our inspectors can only look at the sites that the Russians tell us we can inspect. That's it. That's the best argument the other side had for supporting the Treaty. On the other hand you could actually write a thick book containing logical reasons to vote against it.
Russia desperately wanted the US to sign this Treaty; in fact, Russian leaders even warned us that we had better not tamper with the language of the Treaty while it was being considered during the lame-duck (illegitimate) session of the Senate. One of the reasons they couldn't contain their participatory enthusiasm is that the Treaty limits our ability to deploy a missile defense system. And we just might need that missile defense system in place because the Treaty calls for reductions in nuclear armed missiles which leaves Russia with an even greater strategic offensive advantage.
It is complicated to explain but here is a good way to look at it: if the US has a hand gun and five bullets and the Russians have a hand gun and ten bullets and Russian Premier Medvedev says to Obama I will throw away five of my bullets if you throw away five of yours. Only an idiot would take that deal. Well, an idiot or someone who doesn't mind selling out his country.
But there is a precedent to this stupidity. Twelve years ago the Russians made the outlandish argument that the 1972 Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty did not apply to them because they are no longer the USSR but it did apply to us because we are still the United States. And Communist China, which was never involved in the ABM Treaty, also asserted that the US should be bound by it which was almost as laughable as the Russian's position. Most observers at the time were sure the Russians and Chinese were "punking" us but the joke ended up to be on us because President Clinton agreed with them. In short, Clinton sided with the two most dangerous countries on the planet, at that time, against his own country, no wonder many senior people who worked in national security in the nineties were quietly saying Clinton was a traitor (I am not kidding).
So why would Scott Brown vote to ratify such a Treaty? Who knows but one thing is sure, when it is revealed that the world is more dangerous a few years from now because of this, the Democrats will remind us that Republicans voted to ratify it and it was "bipartisan". If one doesn't see how agreements such as this will make the US and the free world less safe, you needn't look any further than what is happening on the Korean Peninsula right now.
Note also that Wheeler put out the column with that bolded part about guns and bullets the Tuesday after the Tuscon shootings.
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Gus Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:23:46pm |
re: #179 Dark_Falcon
I know. Here's part of his column where he lays out his (loony) case:
Note also that Wheeler put out the column with that bolded part about guns and bullets the Tuesday after the Tuscon shootings.
Which of course isn't true because in the end we're both going to wind up with 5 bullets. And North Korea is a completely different issue which he adds to amp up the fear factor.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:25:32pm |
On the other hand you could actually write a thick book containing logical reasons to vote against it.
I doubt Scott Winger can write a paragraph full of logical reasons. This screed had none.
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Querent Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:28:36pm |
very nicely done -- terse and to the point.
(now to read the thread and hand out my quota of updings...)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:33:00pm |
re: #181 BigPapa
On the other hand you could actually write a thick book containing logical reasons to vote against it.
I doubt Scott Winger can write a paragraph full of logical reasons. This screed had none.
The sad thing is that even when he has a point, his rage makes it impossible for him to develop an effective argument. Last week he wrote another column linking China's new J-20 fighter to technology links during the Clinton Administration. That's actually an argument worth making, but Wheeler ruins it by flinging insults and closing the column with this ugly paragraph:
So in the end, while our leaders tried desperately to avoid offending Hu, the Chinese premier held a victory celebration in the White House. Obama sat through the entertainment staring down his nose at the spectacle as though the entertainers were his court minstrels performing for his pleasure, apparently oblivious to their flagrant mocking and ridiculing of him in the castle he borrowed from the American people.
Scott Wheeler is truly what happens when someone lets their emotions rule them, and its just sad to see.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:39:46pm |
re: #185 Dark_Falcon
Scott Wheeler is truly what happens when someone lets their emotions rule them, and its just sad to see.
Of course he lets emotions rule but that's not the key problem: he's emotionally immature. The vocabulary and writing skills continue to mature but the core intellectual rationale are still stuck at 17.
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Querent Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:41:03pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
I suspect they think Shrieky will allow one of them a guest post. Of course, that would just make them even more lame.
Ah, yes -- "Herself"... finally got around to reading the latest SPLC Intelligence Report and there she was in the lineup of perpetrators of bug-eyed-crazy. Picture and all.
(You've come a long way, crybaby?)
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Charles Johnson Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:41:37pm |
And the first stalker has already shown up at TPM.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:41:58pm |
Charles;
Great article, it and this subject in general is something that happened to me some months ago. "Persecution politics" is a good term for this, but it also has a "bully" aspect that is really scary.
I had a guy in my facebook list of friends who I had worked with. We didn't have a close relationship, but I kept in touch with him to be nice, and once in a while would help him out. He would always post libertarian tea party like stuff and I avoided commenting on it.
One day, I posted a story about my employer. It was a positive story and wanted to share it, without going into all the details he didn't like this story. Started attacking me, and confronting me about it. He wanted me, due to his politics, to denounce my company and I told him many times that this conversation was inappropriate and that I don't speak for my employer so I was not going to do that
Then he started comparing my company to Nazis and turning even nastier. That was the point I decided this wasn't worth it and unfriended him.
End of story? No.
He wrote a long, scary blog post about me. Making sure to use my full name and employer so that it would be caught by search engines. In it he called me every name you can imagine, and was deriding me for shutting down his free speech! He sent me a link to the article by email and I wouldn't respond to him. He then would taunt me saying, "Hey when looking for your name my blog post pops up as the 1st search result".
The alarming this is that he did all of this, because I removed him from my list of friends in facebook. I really think Charles, that this guy went this far, because this is the standard mode of operation for the extreme right wingers (and some left wingers) on the internet. Trash your name, trash your reputation, and any rational arguments you provide (I calmly answered his email and he would just keep going crazier) and live in this reality were anything goes because you disagree (or they think you disagree) with their politics.
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ElCapitanAmerica Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:42:39pm |
Forgot to add, the guy in question here was a Ron Paul card carrying Tea party fanatic in case anybody was wondering.
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Gus Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:45:07pm |
re: #188 Charles
And the first stalker has already shown up at TPM.
Strange the way he pretends to be a supporter. I saw that he was following me on Twitter this morning and blocked him. Twitter needs a better blocking function.
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Querent Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:52:36pm |
re: #188 Charles
would that be the "Slinky" slinking in or someone else?
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 10:59:08pm |
What is the late night topic(s) of discussion?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:01:01pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:02:16pm |
re: #193 ggt
Hey all,
What's going on?
My 10 year old HP tower finally froze up and died. Working off a netbook. Looks like we be going for a computer and credit tomorrow. This is a neat little netbook I'm working from, but the keyboard is like... shit.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:03:29pm |
re: #196 ggt
I don't know, I just got here.
I'm finally getting around to reading Rand Paul's "budget" proposal a little more in depth. Crazy. Just crazy.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:04:45pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
My 10 year old HP tower finally froze up and died. Working off a netbook. Looks like we be going for a computer and credit tomorrow. This is a neat little netbook I'm working from, but the keyboard is like... shit.
I think my laptop is about to finally bite the dust....
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:08:03pm |
re: #199 tnguitarist
I think my laptop is about to finally bite the dust...
We have laptops and netbooks all around the house. Even have a tobshiba running windows 95... we probably could open a used laptop store.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:08:50pm |
It's a comfortable -8.5 degrees (f)...
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:09:31pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
My 10 year old HP tower finally froze up and died. Working off a netbook. Looks like we be going for a computer and credit tomorrow. This is a neat little netbook I'm working from, but the keyboard is like... shit.
Being grown-up is just so much fun isn't it? Seems like there is a some new catastrophe each week that needs financial attention.
Last week, $250 at the vet. This week $500 surprise home repair. Week before last week, $150 computer repair.
I hope to get a reprieve in February.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:09:44pm |
re: #200 Walter L. Newton
We have laptops and netbooks all around the house. Even have a tobshiba running windows 95... we probably could open a used laptop store.
I have an HP. It's nice and fast, but the battery went out in the first year and it's starting to overheat.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:09:54pm |
re: #198 tnguitarist
I'm finally getting around to reading Rand Paul's "budget" proposal a little more in depth. Crazy. Just crazy.
Let me guess --
No, I can't go that crazy.
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Alexzander Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:10:33pm |
Maybe people are tired of it, but I'm still fixated on the situation in Egypt.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:10:51pm |
re: #201 Walter L. Newton
It's a comfortable -8.5 degrees (f)...
Screw that. I lived in Buffalo last winter. You folks can have that stuff.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:11:09pm |
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:11:57pm |
re: #205 Alexzander
Maybe people are tired of it, but I'm still fixated on the situation in Egypt.
Me too. Taking a bit of a breather from it, though.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:12:41pm |
re: #205 Alexzander
Maybe people are tired of it, but I'm still fixated on the situation in Egypt.
I bet the Egyptians are tired of it!
Me, I'm learning alot, so I'm not so tired of it. Although the whole ME situation seems like a broken record.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:13:15pm |
re: #203 tnguitarist
I have an HP. It's nice and fast, but the battery went out in the first year and it's starting to overheat.
This model was one of the more up scale and technically loaded HP's in 2003, and pricey. But it's been a very good workhorse. In those 9 or so years, it's been on24 hours a day... rarely turned it off.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:14:46pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
This model was one of the more up scale and technically loaded HP's in 2003, and pricey. But it's been a very good workhorse. In those 9 or so years, it's been on24 hours a day... rarely turned it off.
I made the mistake of leaving chapstick near the base of mine. Went to put it on my lips (the chapstick) and it melted down my chin.
ew!
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:15:26pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
it's been on24 hours a day... rarely turned it off.
Same here. The screen got a little wonky on me last week. Maybe it was getting too hot. Hopefully it wasn't the video card going out.
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Alexzander Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:15:47pm |
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:16:44pm |
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Gus Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:17:32pm |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
This model was one of the more up scale and technically loaded HP's in 2003, and pricey. But it's been a very good workhorse. In those 9 or so years, it's been on24 hours a day... rarely turned it off.
What broke? My HP has threatened to die on me a few times and it turned out to be either a loose HD cable, a dead PSU, or a broken CPU heatsink bracket. Oh, and another time it was just a dead CMOS battery.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:18:22pm |
When I was a kid, this would have made me really excited to put on my snowsuit and play in it. Now, I see it as a great excuse to stay in my PJ's.
Some sources have predicted that the storm on its way could be worse for Chicago than the record snowstorm that hit back in 1967 and dumped a total of 23 inches of snow over the space of three days, over the city. If that ends up happening, then road travel starts to get pretty difficult and stops becoming an alternative option from flying to reach your destination.
Flight-tracking website Flight aware has already stated that there has been a total of over 3,000 cancellations across the U.S. as a result of the storm. Over 1,900 flights pro-actively canceled for Tuesday and nearly 1,200 already grounded for Wednesday.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:18:43pm |
Any Iphone or Ipod Touch guru's up? Ok... so I load Itunes on this netbook, hook up my Touch... The movie Avatar I purchased was transfered to this netbook... and backed up to the hard drive.
But there doesn't seem to be anyway to copy apps to this computer. None of the music files on my Touch were transfered. I had a few video clips from my own camera on the Touch, they didn't transfer to the hard drive.
Any suggestions?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:20:59pm |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
Any Iphone or Ipod Touch guru's up? Ok... so I load Itunes on this netbook, hook up my Touch... The movie Avatar I purchased was transfered to this netbook... and backed up to the hard drive.
But there doesn't seem to be anyway to copy apps to this computer. None of the music files on my Touch were transfered. I had a few video clips from my own camera on the Touch, they didn't transfer to the hard drive.
Any suggestions?
iTunes are a bitch to transfer.
Last time, I went thru the iTunes help and it worked fine. I've had several people tell me I'm the only one they've ever heard say that. Unlike Audible.com, you can't re-download songs you've purchased.
iirc, I had to deauthorize the old computer and authorize the new one.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:22:50pm |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
Back up your songs/movies to a flash drive then transfer them?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:22:51pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
What broke? My HP has threatened to die on me a few times and it turned out to be either a loose HD cable, a dead PSU, or a broken CPU heatsink bracket. Oh, and another time it was just a dead CMOS battery.
It just froze. I reseated all cables, rebooted 4 times. Nothing. Hard drive would hash at full force, drive light shone steady, but no boot up.
Can't get to safe mode, nothing... the only thing I notice is the monitor light goes green for a second, like it was getting some sort of signal... then it goes yellow... it's getting nothing from the cpu.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:24:03pm |
The computer is a base device, the iPhone/Pad/Touch is an accessory.
Purchased media is associated with the base device, allowed to install on the accessory.
You cannot take an accessory device and load media into another device.
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Alexzander Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:24:11pm |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
I dont have an ipod touch or a netbook, but here's my 2 cents anyway.
Apps for your ipod touch wont transfer to the netbook; they are designed exclusivelyl the the ipod touch platform.
Files downloaded from one computer (say a desktop), then dragged to the ipod touch, probably cannot be dragged to a second computer (say, the netbook). thats Apple's way of stopping you from giving free media to your friends, and its also the kind of activity a lot of anti-DRM activists are trying to prevent.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:24:58pm |
re: #218 ggt
iTunes are a bitch to transfer.
Last time, I went thru the iTunes help and it worked fine. I've had several people tell me I'm the only one they've ever heard say that. Unlike Audible.com, you can't re-download songs you've purchased.
iirc, I had to deauthorize the old computer and authorize the new one.
I can authorize up to 5 computers on this account. I did authorize this net book, but I want my apps to be loaded onto this net book too.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:25:17pm |
re: #220 Walter L. Newton
It just froze. I reseated all cables, rebooted 4 times. Nothing. Hard drive would hash at full force, drive light shone steady, but no boot up.
Can't get to safe mode, nothing... the only thing I notice is the monitor light goes green for a second, like it was getting some sort of signal... then it goes yellow... it's getting nothing from the cpu.
When my desktop did that, iy was the power supply.
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Alexzander Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:25:29pm |
re: #221 BigPapa
This is basically what I was trying to say, only BigPapa expressed it more succinctly.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:25:36pm |
re: #223 Walter L. Newton
I can authorize up to 5 computers on this account. I did authorize this net book, but I want my apps to be loaded onto this net book too.
Did you go thru iTunes help?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:26:17pm |
re: #226 ggt
Did you go thru iTunes help?
Did you download iTunes again to the netbook or just copy the program?
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Gus Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:26:32pm |
re: #220 Walter L. Newton
It just froze. I reseated all cables, rebooted 4 times. Nothing. Hard drive would hash at full force, drive light shone steady, but no boot up.
Can't get to safe mode, nothing... the only thing I notice is the monitor light goes green for a second, like it was getting some sort of signal... then it goes yellow... it's getting nothing from the cpu.
Bummer. Could be the MOBO or the HD. Could probably be repaired. You going to Microcenter? I suppose BestBuy is the other alternative. Then there's New Egg and all that. My monitor died last week and I got the new one at Microcenter.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:26:46pm |
re: #221 BigPapa
The computer is a base device, the iPhone/Pad/Touch is an accessory.
Purchased media is associated with the base device, allowed to install on the accessory.
You cannot take an accessory device and load media into another device.
Well Apple has a record of my purchases, It would seem the Itunes should be able to check the apps on the Touch, and sync my netbook with my matching purchases.
You'd think... I'm probably thinking too much.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:27:01pm |
I'm getting the major sleepies.
Good luck Walter,
Have a great morning all!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:28:56pm |
re: #222 Alexzander
I dont have an ipod touch or a netbook, but here's my 2 cents anyway.
Apps for your ipod touch wont transfer to the netbook; they are designed exclusivelyl the the ipod touch platform.
Files downloaded from one computer (say a desktop), then dragged to the ipod touch, probably cannot be dragged to a second computer (say, the netbook). thats Apple's way of stopping you from giving free media to your friends, and its also the kind of activity a lot of anti-DRM activists are trying to prevent.
I know the apps run on the Touch, not the computer. Maybe you missed up thread a bit... my HP tower dies, I working off a net book, I'm trying to reset my Touch on this netbook, since I have no access to the HP.
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Kronocide Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:30:20pm |
re: #229 Walter L. Newton
Well Apple has a record of my purchases, It would seem the Itunes should be able to check the apps on the Touch, and sync my netbook with my matching purchases.
You'd think... I'm probably thinking too much.
They do, but those purchases are licensed to a computer, which can be shared with your accessory. Welcome to DRM!
There are ways around this but they take time. One thing that you cannot do (unless you're a hacker) is use the iPad/iPhone/Touch as a drive and just swap media, this is by design.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:30:34pm |
re: #228 Gus 802
Bummer. Could be the MOBO or the HD. Could probably be repaired. You going to Microcenter? I suppose BestBuy is the other alternative. Then there's New Egg and all that. My monitor died last week and I got the new one at Microcenter.
I suspect MOBO... girlfriend is going to find a configuration she's happy with (that's one of her many duties at her job). I'll go with her recommendation.
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:33:25pm |
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:39:05pm |
I'm off to netflix land to watch some Sherlock.
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TedStriker Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:40:52pm |
re: #236 tnguitarist
51 here.
You, me, and Conservative Moonbat are here in the (relatively) balmy Volunteer State...I'll take low-mid 50s (and the 60s we had Sunday) to the snow/rain and sub-freezing temps we've had off and on since before Christmas ;-P
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tnguitarist Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:41:44pm |
re: #239 talon_262
You, me, and Conservative Moonbat are here in the (relatively) balmy Volunteer State...I'll take low-mid 50s (and the 60s we had Sunday) to the snow/rain and sub-freezing temps we've had off and on since before Christmas ;-P
Amen
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:43:30pm |
Walter, you here?
Did your music sync up properly?
As for apps = for my iPhone apps, the app tab in the sync in iTunes tells me they're there, but I can't use them on my computer, I can just use them on the phone.
When you plugged your device in, and if you had itunes on the computer, it should have "detected" the device or whatever, and give you instructions for syncing with that new computer. Is that what happened?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Jan 31, 2011 11:45:58pm |
re: #232 BigPapa
They do, but those purchases are licensed to a computer, which can be shared with your accessory. Welcome to DRM!
There are ways around this but they take time. One thing that you cannot do (unless you're a hacker) is use the iPad/iPhone/Touch as a drive and just swap media, this is by design.
Usually the apple purchases can be authorized for up to 5 computers. If Walter has only authorized one computer before this, he should be able to authorize this computer and set things up right.
NOW, what happened to ME - I once did not de-authorize one computer I no longer had, and had to somehow do that before I could sync up my ipod. I think I needed to go into the Apple store to get that done.
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Kronocide Tue, Feb 1, 2011 12:30:04am |
re: #242 reine.de.tout
Usually the apple purchases can be authorized for up to 5 computers. If Walter has only authorized one computer before this, he should be able to authorize this computer and set things up right.
I believe you to be correct but don't think you can use the devices to transfer files between computers. If I am wrong that's great, but I was not able to do it before.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 1, 2011 12:43:43am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 12:48:47am |
re: #243 BigPapa
I believe you to be correct but don't think you can use the devices to transfer files between computers. If I am wrong that's great, but I was not able to do it before.
I'm not trying to transfer files from one computer to another. I already figures it out... for further reference...
Go to "store" and "authorize this computert"
Itunes will then check the apps, movies and music that is on that device against your account history, then it makes a back up to your hard drive, and copies all PURCHASED apps, movies and music.
I am still investigating how to get your photos, you own MP3 rips and your own video ALREADY on the Touch to the new computer and become part of the Itunes library.
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M. Dubious Tue, Feb 1, 2011 2:31:26am |
Good article. The comment section will probably become another stalking-bonanza, though. I see they are getting warmed up.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 2:58:31am |
Ugh. Shouldn't have looked what Beck had to say about Egypt.
Beck Predicts New Muslim Caliphate Will "Control The Mideast And Parts Of Europe"
More brilliant analysis:
Cal Thomas On Obama Calling For Democracy In Egypt: "Germany Had Democracy And Voted In Hitler"
Limbaugh Claims "Obama Says We Support The Muslim Brotherhood"
For an actual ground report, listen to this interview that Sudanese Thinker conducted with Sandmonkey.
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Jimmah Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:15:53am |
Richard Dawkins & Daniel Dennett vs. Francis Collins & Benjamin Carson - Science and Faith:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Jimmah Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:24:19am |
re: #247 000G
Ugh. Shouldn't have looked what Beck had to say about Egypt.
Beck Predicts New Muslim Caliphate Will "Control The Mideast And Parts Of Europe"
Beck: "It's about World Denomination!"
And he said that while wearing his special thinking glasses, so it must be true.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:30:28am |
oops:
reason why I can't tell how decisions being made is that "activists" are now minority. people with no previous experience are ruling #Jan25
[Link: twitter.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:32:01am |
Amazing scenes on [Link: www.youtube.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:36:54am |
Great pictures: [Link: denidorm.be...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 3:45:39am |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:23:56am |
LOL, now I'm being attacked by the denizens of the blog run by a fascist genocide denier and a truther for stating the fact:
I’ve never seen genocide denying, racism or 911 troof posted by the admins either here or on blogmocracy. I’ve seen some insults… but no where near the degree to which they appear on LGF.So, newbie Loozard Sergey Romanov is a full on cult member already, repeating lies he reads on LGF as though they are facts.
Laughing at you Sergey. Learn to think and research for yourself mate.
Of course none is so blind as those who will not see. Rodan is a fascist who cheers Serbian war criminals and denies that they committed genocide at the same time (and yes, this was posted both at idiocracy and dod). ChenZhen is a truther. Here's from his "about" page:
10) Speaking of 9/11, do you think that there was a big government conspiracy behind it or was Bush just being incompetent?I don’t think Bush was personally behind 9/11 (for the record). The longer he’s been the pres, the longer it appears that he’s nothing more than a privlidged stooge with a big political name. If it was anyone in the gov., it would have been with the PNAC chesspieces. Cheney, Libby, …alll those guys. I do find it very suspicious the neo-cons were talking about ‘new pearl harbor’ a year before 9/11. I’m not ready to buy into ‘bombs in the WTC’ yet, but it could have been a very departmentalized operation and probably more of a ‘let it happen’ scenario. Bush is totally incompetent though LOL ….they’ve proven that all they’re good at is winning elections. The rest of us are screwed
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:25:14am |
re: #202 ggt
GGT's stimulating America's economy! Yay GGT!
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:25:21am |
re: #112 prairiefire
Snowmageddon is on its way to Kansas City. 12-14 inches with 40 mile an hour winds!
I came in early to work here in Dearborn. My 4 Wheel Drive was real sweet, but wasn't that much of the white stuff on the road. The worst is supposed to come tonight.
The stations have all been broadcasting in disaster mode, and in between exclamations of "The Worst Storm Ever Ever Ever!" we have infomercials for Lowe's, Home Depot, and Walmart to let folks know they should come and buy stuff!
When people decide to take a "snow day" from work, that usually means they will GO TO THE MALL. So mall workers do not get a "snow day" and those parking lots at the mall had better be plowed!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:27:09am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:34:43am |
re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist
Awesomesauce!
That reminds me of the "Cracked" article, 'Five soldiers who make Rambo look like a pu**y".
What a brave man.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:39:51am |
Good "-15.2 Degrees (f)" morning to everyone. Excuse the pun, but my HP tower of 10 years froze last night... rolled over and died... off to big, bad Wally mart later this morning.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:41:38am |
re: #259 Walter L. Newton
Is it just cold, or do you have precipitation?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:42:22am |
re: #259 Walter L. Newton
Ten years out of a tower? Dang.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:44:27am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 4:48:25am |
re: #260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Is it just cold, or do you have precipitation?
Downhill... Denver got 2-3 inches... uphill, not so much, steady flurries started around 2:00 pm, still lightly snowing,,, but maybe 1-2 inches. High today will be about -1 degrees (f) and the low tonight around -20 degrees (f)
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:09:47am |
Jordanian government dismissed by King.
Al Jazeera's satelite signal sabotaged by Egypt.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:15:39am |
Sandmonkey live on AJE NOW: [Link: www.youtube.com...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:16:03am |
"ElBaradei is not our leader, he is not even a good politician!"
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:22:31am |
re: #266 000G
"ElBaradei is not our leader, he is not even a good politician!"
I saw a whole bunch of tweets overnight about ElBaradei and what I assume the MB - talking about how this group that couldn't even win a small percentage of the elections now wishing to be in charge.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:25:18am |
Sandmonkey tweets (to get the timeline right,have to read from bottom up)
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
at protest. Huge number, over 100,000 ppl. Only concern is that Islamists tryin 2 hijack it. They're in big groups praying everywhere #jan25
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont.) i'm starting to suspect that the guys terrorizing us& gun battles between looters and army completely staged, using blanks #jan25
5 hours ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont) We keep hearing gun battles but there isn't a single stray bullet anywhere or casualty of gun fire or a bullet hole. #jan25
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont.) to say they are unrepresentative would be an understatement #Jan25
6 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
same opposition leaders who never managed 2 create a sizable followin or gain 1 victory or get a rally that's 1% of what we have now #Jan25
6 hours ago
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont.) these opposition leaders hav nothing 2 do w/protesters #Jan25
6 hours ago
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
news that Suleiman's been appointed by gov 2 negotiate w/ opposition leaders the demands of protests &constitutional amendments.. #Jan25
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:43:00am |
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RogueOne Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:43:23am |
re: #263 Walter L. Newton
Downhill... Denver got 2-3 inches... uphill, not so much, steady flurries started around 2:00 pm, still lightly snowing,,, but maybe 1-2 inches. High today will be about -1 degrees (f) and the low tonight around -20 degrees (f)
We got about 1/2" of ice and an inch of snow last night and there's supposed to be another 1/2"+ of ice coming. Treacherous out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:45:10am |
re: #270 RogueOne
Sleety, crunchy ice? Or that ice that looks just shiny and lovely and destroys everything in its path?
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RogueOne Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:45:12am |
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RogueOne Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:46:27am |
re: #271 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sleety, crunchy ice? Or that ice that looks just shiny and lovely and destroys everything in its path?
Both! Pretty freezing rain topped off with the snow that's mostly little pieces of sleet.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:46:31am |
Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel'
By YAAKOV LAPPIN
02/01/2011 02:00
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
"A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.
Muhammad Ghannem reportedly told Al- Alam that the Suez Canal should be closed immediately, and that the flow of gas from Egypt to Israel should cease “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” He added that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” saying the world should understand that “the Egyptian people are prepared for anything to get rid of this regime.”
Ghannem praised Egyptian soldiers deployed by President Hosni Mubarak to Egyptian cities, saying they “would not kill their brothers.” He added that Washington was forced to abandon plans to help Mubarak stay in power after “seeing millions head for the streets.”"
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:48:09am |
Jordan's king sacks Cabinet amid street protests
"AMMAN, Jordan – Jordan's Royal Palace says the king has sacked his government in the wake of street protests and has asked an ex-army general to form a new Cabinet.
King Abdullah's move comes after thousands of Jordanians took to the streets — inspired by the regime ouster in Tunisia and the turmoil in Egypt — and called for the resignation of Prime Minister Samir Rifai who is blamed for a rise in fuel and food prices and slowed political reforms.
The Royal Palace says Rifai's Cabinet resigned on Tuesday.
Abdullah also nominated Marouf al-Bakhit as his prime minister-designate. No other details were immediately available."
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:48:22am |
re: #270 RogueOne
We got about 1/2" of ice and an inch of snow last night and there's supposed to be another 1/2"+ of ice coming. Treacherous out.
Sounds like an entertaining time all around. Time to buckle up the snow chains.
Morning Lizardim.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:50:41am |
Yahoo's headline has historical black folks in its banner, different ones appearing.
Barack Obama is one of the folks that flash up.
You know, agree or disagree with him, it is pretty freakin' cool. And we're (most of us, anyway) are living RIGHT HERE in the midst of this particular history.
Happy Black History Month, y'all.
My personal favorite historical black person? George Washington Carver.
Freakin' Edison, he.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:50:41am |
re: #275 Ericus58
No fool, King Abdullah. He knows the handwriting on the wall when he sees it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:51:08am |
re: #276 thedopefishlives
Sounds like an entertaining time all around. Time to buckle up the snow chains.
Morning Lizardim.
I disagree.
TIME TO STAY AT HOME!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:52:12am |
re: #279 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I disagree.
TIME TO STAY AT HOME!
Myes. I did that yesterday while the snow was still blasting through here. Amounted to roughly 6" of shoveling.
Next year, I'm going to be armed with a freakin' snowblower.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:53:50am |
re: #280 thedopefishlives
Next year, I'm going to be armed with a freakin' snowblower.
-Charlie Sheen Snowman
FYI? (I will be making that joke every time I see the word "snowblower".)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:57:14am |
re: #281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
-Charlie Sheen Snowman
FYI? (I will be making that joke every time I see the word "snowblower".)
It still makes me chuckle. Now after a dozen times, I might get sick of it, but who knows.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 5:57:52am |
Today's excerpt from the International Council of Man Laws:
9: You may fart in front of a woman only after you have brought her to climax. If you trap her head under the covers for the purpose
of flatulent entertainment (commonly known as a Dutch oven), she's officially your girlfriend.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:00:36am |
re: #283 Ericus58
I have never farted in front of my wife. Not once. (You can't count those while asleep, they don't count).
28 years, this year.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:02:23am |
re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have never farted in front of my wife. Not once. (You can't count those while asleep, they don't count).
28 years, this year.
You are a better man than most. Of course, when one's wife loves to indulge in exotic cuisine, it is hard NOT to fart in front of her. I swear it must be a compliment to the chef in some cultures.
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YellowDog Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:02:32am |
Do you receive your credit if I buy the Kindle version? If not, and Amazon allows it, you should provide a link to the Kindle version.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:03:12am |
re: #122 Talking Point Detective
Fucking hardest lesson in the book.
Seems like life without desire would be incredibly boring - but wanting something other than what you actually have is (usually) a pretty self-defeating activity.
Johnny Rocco just wants... more.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:03:39am |
re: #274 Ericus58
Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel'
By YAAKOV LAPPIN
02/01/2011 02:00
[Link: www.jpost.com...]"A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.
Muhammad Ghannem reportedly told Al- Alam that the Suez Canal should be closed immediately, and that the flow of gas from Egypt to Israel should cease “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” He added that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” saying the world should understand that “the Egyptian people are prepared for anything to get rid of this regime.”
Ghannem praised Egyptian soldiers deployed by President Hosni Mubarak to Egyptian cities, saying they “would not kill their brothers.” He added that Washington was forced to abandon plans to help Mubarak stay in power after “seeing millions head for the streets.”"
"It's an old story that ends: 'Mubarak is a friend of Israel and we think a change will bring a government hostile to Israel and it will bring on an Iranian-type velayeh-fakhi [guidance by a supreme religious leader]. I say this is like 'True Fiction'. You need to get rid of this 'True Fiction' about the Muslim Brotherhood and the automatic hostility towards Israel. It is a fact that a durable peace can only be between democracies and not between dictators and, if you want a durable peace, whether Egypt is a democracy or a dictatorship, the feeling of the people in the region is not going to change."
~ Mohamed ElBaradei
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RogueOne Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:04:37am |
I've been thinking that maybe we should be thanking the green lobby for the possibility of democracy spreading through the ME. If not for burning 30% of our crops for fuel we might not have food prices skyrocketing over the last decade and we'd be stuck with ME dictatorships forever. It was an incredibly sneaky plan, Kudo's.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:05:10am |
re: #289 RogueOne
I've been thinking that maybe we should be thanking the green lobby for the possibility of democracy spreading through the ME. If not for burning 30% of our crops for fuel we might not have food prices skyrocketing over the last decade and we'd be stuck with ME dictatorships forever. It was an incredibly sneaky plan, Kudo's.
AL GORE YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:06:08am |
re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I have never farted in front of my wife. Not once. (You can't count those while asleep, they don't count).
28 years, this year.
How do you do it, man?! That's like.... super powers or something!
The ONE cardinal rule in our household that I have been sworn to observe (and must not break upon penalty of excommunication from the bed)?
NEVER use her bathroom while she is applying makeup.
Dropping "deuce" would bring about the Apocalypse.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:07:03am |
AP Breaking News: State Department orders evacuation of all non-emergency US government personnel from Egypt
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:07:58am |
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kirkspencer Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:09:40am |
re: #59 Talking Point Detective
Are you aware that over the past 50 years or so, debt to GDP and spending as a % of revenue have been worse in each Republican administration than they were in the Dem administrations that preceded or followed?
What was that about tax and spend?
No, he's right. Democrats tax and spend. What he didn't note -- and your point emphasizes -- is that Republicans spend their children's money.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:10:24am |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:11:07am |
re: #291 Ericus58
How do you do it, man?! That's like... super powers or something!
The ONE cardinal rule in our household that I have been sworn to observe (and must not break upon penalty of excommunication from the bed)?
NEVER use her bathroom while she is applying makeup.
Dropping "deuce" would bring about the Apocalypse.
The NUMBER ONE LAW which I have imposed in our household with a tyrant's harsh hand:
There is no smoking in the garage where Alouette's new SUV lives!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:11:19am |
re: #286 YellowDog
Anything that you buy at Amazon if you link through LGF let's Charles make a few pennies.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:14:02am |
Muslim Brotherhood’s Message Same as Hamas: Kill Jews
Many Western analysts agree that the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are one and the same. One leading Brotherhood cleric has said: "Kill Jews – to the very last one.” A Brotherhood takeover of Egypt would strengthen Hamas in Gaza.
Another Brotherhood leader told an Arab language newspaper Monday that Egyptians “should prepare for war against Israel."
The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are rooted in the same ideology. "If the Muslim Brotherhood groups gain a prominent place in the government, this would definitely help consolidate Hamas's hold on Gaza,'' Atiyeh Jawwabra, a political science professor at Jerusalem's Al Quds University, told The Wall Street Journal’s Joshua Mitnick.
The journalist added, “Hamas, whose founder was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, has rejected negotiations with Israel and refuses to foreswear military and terrorist attacks."
“Under a different name (Hamas), the Muslim Brotherhood runs the Gaza Strip. Hamas's charter states unequivocally that it wants to eradicate Israel,” wrote Richard Cohen in the Washington Post this week.
The Muslim Brotherhood’s ideology was made clear in the sermons of one of its leading preachers based in Qatar, Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Two years ago, the Anti-Defamation League posted several of his teachings, one of them a call that Israel and Jews be dealt with by the Almighty who should "kill them, down to the very last one."
In a sermon aired in January 2009 on Al Jazeera television, Qaradawi said, “I will shoot Allah’s enemies, the Jews, and they will throw a bomb at me, and thus I will seal my life with martyrdom.” Two days later, Qaradawi gave another speech that also aired on Al-Jazeera, where he claimed that Adolf Hitler was sent by Allah to punish the Jews.
The same month, he led a delegation of Muslim scholars who met with Arab terrorist groups, including Hamas, in Damascus "to discuss the ways to cope with a war of genocide against the people in…Gaza."
On another occasion, he declared, "I support Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and Hizbullah. I oppose the peace that Israel and America wish to dictate. This peace is an illusion. I support martyrdom operations."
I hope the world is paying attention.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:14:52am |
re: #291 Ericus58
How do you do it, man?! That's like... super powers or something!
Has it occurred to you that I might not be fat... just full?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:15:53am |
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:15:55am |
re: #301 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Has it occurred to you that I might not be fat... just full?
Full of ....... ?
/
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:17:35am |
You made that too easy for me.
I had to take the opening.
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RogueOne Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:20:27am |
I'm going to chip my truck free of the ice and head out to get one of my portable generators. We're going to get more ice and snow later and I plan on being ready. The last time we had an ice storm like this (a few years ago) I lost power for 5 days. I put in a 220 plug on my furnace so I'm set if it gets worse.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:20:39am |
Good morning Lizardia!
Looks like Part I of the Great Storm has missed Philadelphia to the north. Some light snow and rain overnight while it looks like NYC is getting the sleet and Boston the snow. Just have to see how Part II tracks as it comes east from the plains.
Time to break out the tophats since tomorrow is Groundhog Day.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:21:30am |
"LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) – CBS has ordered two additional episodes of Monday sitcoms "Mike and Molly" and "Rules of Engagement" to help cope with scheduling issues arising from the absence of Charlie Sheen from the hit show "Two and a Half Men," according to sources.
These extra shows will fill in a schedule with sudden holes caused by the absence of Sheen, who reportedly is attempting a rehabilitation program at home with a trained expert in addiction. (Sheen's spokesman declined comment on the actor's health, citing federal privacy laws.)
TMZ has reported that Sheen, who was admitted to a Los Angeles hospital last Thursday complaining of abdominal pains, will be unable to work for three months. A CBS source says that the network has not been informed that Sheen will be out for the season, but his absence would leave CBS short of eight episodes of the planned 24-episode season (there has been no serious talk of shooting the series around his absence)."
More "Mike and Molly", eh? My wife will be happy to hear this.
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Jadespring Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:25:05am |
Hope everyone stays safe with all the snow.
It's snowing here right now but nothing out of the ordinary. It looks like I may get hit with the top end of the storms coming through but nothing too serious.
---Although I probably just jinxed it by saying that...
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:28:52am |
re: #307 Ericus58
Why can't he leave rehab with a firm sponsor (like AA sponsors) shoot his show, and go back to rehab with the next script? His schedule remains full, supervised and all those people who work the show can make their money. I don't get it. A lot of people stand to lose besides Charlie Sheen who obviously needs the help. Developing shows could get cut over this. CBS makes 100 million or more each season on that show, it pays for lots of other shows being developed.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:30:51am |
Glad I was able to get all necessary shopping done yesterday ahead of this little storm we got here.
Midnight last night it was 40 degrees and pouring down rain - got woke up by the sleet pellets that started around 4:30 - which continued until about 8AM local time. Went outside, and there's at LEAST an inch and a half of ice on the parking lot road... and now it's starting to snow like crazy, and temperature is 19 degrees... and falling steadily. Likely to hit single digits tonight. I'm so glad I don't have to go out in this mess.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:31:21am |
2 Gaza rockets explode in Israeli towns
JERUSALEM – The Israeli military says two rockets fired from Gaza have exploded in Israeli towns. No one was hurt, but there was some damage.
The attacks came a few minutes apart late Monday. One rocket hit Netivot, 9 miles (14 kilometers) east of Gaza, and the second exploded in Ofakim, 15 miles (25 kilometers) from Gaza.
The military says the range indicates the rockets were Grads. Israel charges that Iran supplies Gaza militants with Grads.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:32:11am |
Egypt is in more trouble than Mubarak is...
[Link: oil-price.net...]
Egyptians are starving because Egypt is past Peak Oil
Egypt's oil production peaked in 1996 at 922,000 barrels/day. Since then, Egypt's oil output has declined an alarming 26%. Moreover this decline is amplified each year as the rate of depletion in existing wells accelerates. As in most middle-eastern oil exporting nations, oil accounts for the quasi totality of this country's exports and economy (not a single Egyptian company is listed on the SP500). Egypt which used to be self-sufficient in all basic food groups back in the 1960s now imports most of its food and the state has relied on oil revenues to subsidize food prices. But as Egypt's post-peak oil production plummets, so do food subsidies and food prices surge. Unlike the USA which can and does print more dollars sold to the Chinese to counter its trade deficit, Egypt cannot find buyers for the currency it prints and double-digit inflation is the norm. As food prices increase worldwide, this increase in price is multiplied in food importing countries like Egypt with a weak currency. But the real reason why these riots are so publicized in the West lies in the disastrous consequences they may have for the Global Oil Supply.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:35:16am |
re: #312 Rightwingconspirator
Egypt is in more trouble than Mubarak is...
[Link: oil-price.net...]
Egyptians are starving because Egypt is past Peak Oil
[snip].
And in the end, Malthus wins.
As food supplies grow short the people go into the street. If this continues, where do they go next?
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YellowDog Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:35:26am |
re: #298 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I don't think that is correct. Click on the link and the url has a reference to this site; click on the Kindle version and the url for the Kindle page does not have that reference.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:36:36am |
"Egypt produces no oil"
[Link: www.politico.com...]
WTF?
Egypt is a significant oil producer and a rapidly growing natural gas producer.
[Link: www.eia.doe.gov...]
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:37:33am |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:41:41am |
Think Progress is defending the MB:
...While the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood had supported violence at one time, the conservative group is “Egypt’s largest opposition group” and “has disavowed violence and sought to participate in Egyptian politics” legitimately since the 1970s. Now allied with legal Egyptian political groups and tied to Egyptian professional unions, university campuses, and social welfare programs, the Brotherhood is a “peaceful” group that “could draw moderate Muslims who identify with [its] ideology to participate in electoral politics, thereby isolating violent jihadis.” Indeed, the Brotherhood denounced a recent terrorist attack in Egypt as a “cowardly act” and is not on the U.S. State Department’s terrorist list.
...
The MB is a conservative, peaceful group? WTF?
There is lots of MB support in the comments...
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:41:49am |
re: #315 000G
Maybe I should send them the link I just posted. Idiots.
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M. Dubious Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:45:36am |
re: #300 NJDhockeyfan
Muslim Brotherhood’s Message Same as Hamas: Kill Jews
I hope the world is paying attention.
I can assure you it is not. The narrative this side of the world is that this is a righteous, grassroots revolution and people are fed up with Mubarak the Tyrant, Puppet of Israel.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:46:36am |
re: #315 000G
Note too that the decline in oil production isn't necessarily a sign of reduced reserves, but has to be seen in conjunction with OPEC restraint on production to keep the prices at and above $80.
Egypt's oil production is a significant source of its revenue, and that includes its sales to Israel under the CDA.
Here's my current roundup of the situation in Egypt, complete with video and analysis.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:47:52am |
re: #320 harald
I can assure you it is not. The narrative this side of the world is that this is a righteous, grassroots revolution and people are fed up with Mubarak the Tyrant, Puppet of Israel.
And that is increasingly more of the message.
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Winny Spencer Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:48:17am |
re: #318 NJDhockeyfan
Think Progress is defending the MB:
The MB is a conservative, peaceful group? WTF?
There is lots of MB support in the comments...
Gullibility. Not surprising.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:48:38am |
re: #320 harald
I can assure you it is not. The narrative this side of the world is that this is a righteous, grassroots revolution and people are fed up with Mubarak the Tyrant, Puppet of Israel.
Wait, what?
So it is about killing Jews, you dumbass.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:49:34am |
Now I know why the neocons all have their panties in a twist over ElBaradei. I didn't realize he won the Nobel Peace Prize AND debunked W's claims that Saddam Hussein had WMDs before the Iraq war. He is an evil little fucker... (///)
Before the invasion of Iraq, the Bush Administration pooh-poohed his warning that there was “no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq” and paid no attention to the fact that the administration’s claim that Saddam Hussein was pursuing enriched uranium from Niger was based on forged documents, according to IAEA reporting. Despite the fact that almost everything ElBaradei said about Iraq turned out to be correct, the Bush Administration tapped his phone and led a major campaign to prevent him from leading for a third term at IAEA.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:52:15am |
re: #325 darthstar
Now I know why the neocons all have their panties in a twist over ElBaradei. I didn't realize he won the Nobel Peace Prize...
So did Yasser Arafat. The Nobel Peace Prize is bullshit IMO.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:53:04am |
re: #327 NJDhockeyfan
So did Yasser Arafat. The Nobel Peace Prize is bullshit IMO.
Is, was, and always will be.
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Winny Spencer Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:54:05am |
re: #325 darthstar
Now I know why the neocons all have their panties in a twist over ElBaradei. I didn't realize he won the Nobel Peace Prize AND debunked W's claims that Saddam Hussein had WMDs before the Iraq war. He is an evil little fucker... (///)
Who are these neocons that keep getting mentioned?
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Nervous Norvous Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:54:28am |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:54:29am |
So... I told the step critter to make sure she was up early enough so she could start her car, make sure the engine would turn over... after all... it's -16 degrees (f) outside.
Yep... 30 minutes from the last park and ride bus, she goes outside to start the car... zippo. So... bundled all up, throwing on clothes, start my 10 year old Chevy Prism, rush her over to the mountain park and ride here in Conifer.
I seen below zero cold before... but this was cold. And tonight, they are predicting -22 degrees (f), with wind chills up to -45 degrees (f).
Wanna bet who doesn't leave the house tonight? Moi. It's going to be cuddle p with a Netfix stream or something.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:55:05am |
re: #323 Winny Spencer
It's not gullibility, it's their (far, far left/Galloway theory) meme that western fears of groups like this are always exaggerated or just wrong. Since the weapons were not in Iraq, all that follows is always wrong as the base premise. Short of explicit video, on multiple news sites to the contrary, the US is always wrong on ME policy.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:56:01am |
re: #328 thedopefishlives
Is, was, and always will be.
Yep, even Teddy Roosevelt's, famous RINO... (oh wait, he hunted those, didn't he?)
//
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:56:17am |
re: #325 darthstar
ElBaradei is a favorite of those living outside Egypt, particularly among the diplomatic corps since he's pretty much been a lifelong diplomat. His actual connections with the country are, shall we say, limited. He spent years living in NYC as a law professor at NYU. He's spent more time living and working at the IAEA headquarters in Vienna than living in Egypt.
Egyptians on the street aren't exactly keen to ElBaradei - and those are the voices that will count. His short house-arrest earlier this week by Mubarak's forces enhanced his street credibility a bit although even the Muslim Brotherhood, which only a day or so ago was ready to give him a role in the future flipped on him.
I think the diplomats and Western observers wouldn't mind him in a position of power in Egypt. I just don't think that's what the Egyptians want. At this point, it's not even clear what the Egyptians want other than a housecleaning involving anyone and everyone related to Mubarak.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:57:28am |
re: #326 harald
Am I the dumbass? Or?
You say they don't hate Jews, yet they hate Mubarak because he is...a puppet of Israel.
So, MB is only "anti-Zionist" not "anti-Jewish."
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Winny Spencer Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:58:04am |
re: #332 Rightwingconspirator
It's not gullibility, it's their (far, far left/Galloway theory) meme that western fears of groups like this are always exaggerated or just wrong. Since the weapons were not in Iraq, all that follows is always wrong as the base premise. Short of explicit video, on multiple news sites to the contrary, the US is always wrong on ME policy.
Yes, you're right.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:58:30am |
re: #317 darthstar
This guy should go work with the NASA folks- that looks like something that could help conduct research on Mars or Venus.
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M. Dubious Tue, Feb 1, 2011 6:59:48am |
re: #335 Alouette
I don't think that is what I said. And if that is what I said, it is not what I meant. Read it again and get back to me. Your dumbass-label was probably a bit premature.
But I'm not the smartest kid around here, I'll grant you that.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:00:27am |
BB later... got to go to Wally mart to buy a new tower computer... my 10 year old HP finally said goodbye... damn freaking cold out there.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:00:54am |
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:01:34am |
re: #334 lawhawk
The Egyptians need a western-friendly and intelligent person to help them keep balance. The MB isn't al qaeda...yet...and won't be if they're given some involvement in the process of Egypt's reform after Mubarak leaves. A lot of the criticism of ElBaradei sounds like the GOP proposals on healt care - REPEAL!!! (but don't offer any option to make things better)
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:01:57am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
[snip]
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
Hypnotic effect broadcast by the Red Sox.
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Winny Spencer Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:02:21am |
re: #338 harald
I don't think that is what I said. And if that is what I said, it is not what I meant. Read it again and get back to me. Your dumbass-label was probably a bit premature.
But I'm not the smartest kid around here, I'll grant you that.
I think your "I can assure you it is not." referred to whether the world is listening or not.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:02:21am |
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sattv4u2 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:02:42am |
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Winny Spencer Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:03:46am |
re: #343 Winny Spencer
And dumbass-label very unwarranted.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:03:46am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I'm at least glad she was surrounded by good company when she departed. Prayers for your family for the loss.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:08:18am |
Media Matters has found the culprit who caused the current Egyptian crisis... the Jooos!
AIPAC's Egypt Miscalculation
If one needs additional proof that the "pro-Israel" lobby and the policies it dictates to US policymakers are bad for both the U.S. and Israel, look no further than what is happening in Egypt.The regime that the Israeli government and its U.S. lobby have depended upon to enforce the status quo is going down. It is not clear when, but it's going to be soon, much sooner than anyone ever anticipated. And you can be sure that any democratic government that takes Mubarak's place is not going to play the role of America's (let alone Israel's) enforcer in the Middle East.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:08:27am |
Rough calculation of crowd based on space of Tahrir Sq itself gives an upper limit around 225,000. Here's the space: [Link: bit.ly...]
[Link: twitter.com...]
Waiting for the CBS commissioned estimates!
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:08:58am |
re: #338 harald
I don't think that is what I said. And if that is what I said, it is not what I meant. Read it again and get back to me. Your dumbass-label was probably a bit premature.
But I'm not the smartest kid around here, I'll grant you that.
Anytime someone posts an article with the title "Kill Jews" it's going to get a lot of people here riled up. Some, like NJD, read that and their minds are set - permanently - like a birther teabagger who wants the government to leave their medicare alone. Given the inflammatory rhetoric of that article, it's easy to see how responses to it will be somewhat emotional.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:10:43am |
re: #341 darthstar
The MB isn't al Qaeda, but it's ideology helped spawn al Qaeda, along with Hamas, and other Sunni Islamist terror groups. The Brotherhood's own website continues to spout off about establishing the caliphate and refusal to recognize Israel or its right to exist. Those are beliefs that curry lots of weight in the Middle East due to decades of propaganda demonizing Israel. Will the Brotherhood subsume those positions if they're assured of a place in the next Egyptian government? That's the $64k question.
If the choice is between ElBaradei and the Brotherhood, I'd go with ElBaradei. Problem is, I don't have that choice. The Egyptians are on their way to doing so. And I don't think they're going to pick ElBaradei. Whether the Brotherhood benefits from all this is another open question. Last time they had an opportunity to participate in elections in 2009 (winning 88 of 160 seats), they ended up dominating them. Last December's election swept the Brotherhood from power, so it's another open question as to just how to gauge the Brotherhood's power and backing.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:11:00am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Sorry about your loss, satt. Peace to your mother now that her suffering has come to an end.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:11:28am |
re: #320 harald
I can assure you it is not. The narrative this side of the world is that this is a righteous, grassroots revolution and people are fed up with Mubarak the Tyrant, Puppet of Israel.
Your response was in response to NJD's comment about the MB. Read bottom up for an Egyptian's take on how the grassroots revolutionaries feel about ElBaradei and the MB. Sandmonkey used to blog a lot, in recent years mostly uses twitter, but he quite often has the pulse of things.
The MB is not to be trusted.
re: #268 reine.de.tout
Sandmonkey tweets (to get the timeline right,have to read from bottom up)
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
at protest. Huge number, over 100,000 ppl. Only concern is that Islamists tryin 2 hijack it. They're in big groups praying everywhere #jan25Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont.) i'm starting to suspect that the guys terrorizing us& gun battles between looters and army completely staged, using blanks #jan25
5 hours ago Favorite Undo Retweet ReplySandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont) We keep hearing gun battles but there isn't a single stray bullet anywhere or casualty of gun fire or a bullet hole. #jan25Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont.) to say they are unrepresentative would be an understatement #Jan25
6 hours ago Favorite Retweet ReplySandmonkey Sandmonkey
same opposition leaders who never managed 2 create a sizable followin or gain 1 victory or get a rally that's 1% of what we have now #Jan25
6 hours agoSandmonkey Sandmonkey
(cont.) these opposition leaders hav nothing 2 do w/protesters #Jan25
6 hours agoSandmonkey Sandmonkey
news that Suleiman's been appointed by gov 2 negotiate w/ opposition leaders the demands of protests &constitutional amendments.. #Jan25
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:12:29am |
re: #349 000G
[Link: twitter.com...]
Waiting for the CBS commissioned estimates!
Four people per sq. meter gets pretty tight after a while. We couldn't sustain that for the fairly static Stewart/Colbert rally.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:12:30am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
My condolences to you and yours on the loss of your mother. At least her family was by her side and that you can rely on each other for strength and comfort.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:13:19am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
Thainking of you and your family, Satt. Take care.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:13:37am |
re: #353 reine.de.tout
Read bottom up
Wouldn't it be easier if I just stood on my head??
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M. Dubious Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:16:01am |
re: #343 Winny Spencer
I think your "I can assure you it is not." referred to whether the world is listening or not.
Yes.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:16:03am |
re: #350 darthstar
Anytime someone posts an article with the title "Kill Jews" it's going to get a lot of people here riled up. Some, like NJD, read that and their minds are set - permanently - like a birther teabagger who wants the government to leave their medicare alone. Given the inflammatory rhetoric of that article, it's easy to see how responses to it will be somewhat emotional.
Somehow you are relating "Kill Jews", birthers, teabaggers, and medicare with me. Please explain yourself.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:16:16am |
re: #350 darthstar
Anytime someone posts an article with the title "Kill Jews" it's going to get a lot of people here riled up. Some, like NJD, read that and their minds are set - permanently - like a birther teabagger who wants the government to leave their medicare alone. Given the inflammatory rhetoric of that article, it's easy to see how responses to it will be somewhat emotional.
You know, Darth - I read a headline "Kill the ___(fill in the blank)", and, well I get riled up no matter who it's talking about. And yeah, statements like that from an organization about (fill in the blank) will have an effect on what I think about 'em.
Surely you don't think that sort of getting riled up etc. is an acceptable reaction to any group saying any such thing about any other group, EXCEPT WHEN it's about Jews? Then you deride someone getting riled up about it?
I hope that's not what you meant, but I have to say that's what your comment looked like.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:16:42am |
[Link: www.occupiedlondon.org...]
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:17:31am |
re: #335 Alouette
You say they don't hate Jews, yet they hate Mubarak because he is...a puppet of Israel.
So, MB is only "anti-Zionist" not "anti-Jewish."
Alouette - I have been seeing an increase of tying the "puppet of Israel" tag being applied to Mubarak.
I didn't take his to be agreeing with that, just reporting the meme.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:17:58am |
re: #351 lawhawk
More important, though, is how we engage the new government regardless of how involved the Brotherhood is in it. We know they'll be a factor. So we can do a couple of things:
1. We could try to starve them out like we did Hamas after they won in a democratic election (that worked great! // )
2. We could work with them to form a stable government and establish a relatively stable society that is less of a threat to its neighbors.
We won't like everything about the new government - that's a given. But it doesn't mean we should assume they'll be a terrorist state.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:19:24am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
{{Satt}}
Difficult times, so sorry for your loss. I thought about you yesterday and wondered how things were going - I assumed not well because you've been absent.
So sorry. Loss of a parent is very difficult.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:19:57am |
So I decided to check out the "stalker blog" to see what it's all about.
Fascinating.
First I read this:
Chuck, you have a persecution complex with your claims of stalkers following you ....
And then I read post after post, obsessed with Charles - including one where he talks about the "smart and resourceful people" who spent how many hours? dissecting the process by which LGF counts page views (to try to prove to someone that they can program as much as Charles?), as if they are personally somehow hurt in some way if a lot of people visit LGF.
Man. The Interned attracts some strange and obsessive people. Sure glad I'm not one of them.
Who is this dude, and is this really all because Charles booted him off of his website?
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M. Dubious Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:20:24am |
re: #363 Ericus58
Yes, exactly. This is a very strange experience.
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:23:13am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
Sorry to hear that. Glad you could be there with her though.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:23:23am |
re: #366 Talking Point Detective
Who is this dude, and is this really all because Charles booted him off of his website?
The names of the guys that run the place are well known, and they're sometimes discussed here. However, to your second question: Yes, it really is all because Charles booted them off of his website. Some people are stuck in an entitlement mentality, where they think they have a right to say whatever they want, wherever they want. (News flash: The 1st Amendment does not grant anyone the right to say anything they please at any place at any time.) When their little fantasy is struck with the 2x4 of reality, they go all unhinged. Result: Stalker blog.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:23:29am |
re: #364 darthstar
When Hamas won the election, the first thing they did when trying to form the government was kick out Fatah of areas that Fatah was weakest. The ensuing Palestinian civil war kicked Fatah out of Gaza and established its own Hamastan in Gaza. The US still engages the PA, even though it acts as a conduit for funding Hamas. Gaza is an economic wasteland of Hamas' own doing. Israel's withdrawal should have opened all kinds of economic opportunities, but the first thing that Hamas and Gazans did was turn to carrying out terror attacks - suicide bombings, and when the security fence was completed, kassam and rocket attacks by the thousands. They're still firing on Israel even as of today.
The situation in Lebanon is probably a closer analog, with Hizbullah having played an increasingly bellicose role in the Lebanese government. My fear is that the Brotherhood will attempt to do what the Hizbullah did in Lebanon. The US continued providing economic aid to Lebanon even with Hizbullah playing a role in the Lebanese government, but that aid is up in the air with the new government dominated by pro-Hizbullah and Hizbullah.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:23:38am |
re: #366 Talking Point Detective
So I decided to check out the "stalker blog" to see what it's all about.
Fascinating.
First I read this:
And then I read post after post, obsessed with Charles - including one where he talks about the "smart and resourceful people" who spent how many hours? dissecting the process by which LGF counts page views (to try to prove to someone that they can program as much as Charles?), as if they are personally somehow hurt in some way if a lot of people visit LGF.
Man. The Interned attracts some strange and obsessive people. Sure glad I'm not one of them.
Who is this dude, and is this really all because Charles booted him off of his website?
Yes.
They seem to believe they were booted because went from being a rightie to being a leftie and didn't want them around anymore.
I never figured Charles for a rightie to begin with. And so certain changes did not bother me as much as it did other folks. Some folks are really really bothered by it. And I guess, they feel "betrayed" in some way.
They occasionally go after DF, me, Walter, gee- a few others who were here then AND who are here now. But Charles is their main focus.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:23:39am |
re: #361 reine.de.tout
You know, Darth - I read a headline "Kill the ___(fill in the blank)", and, well I get riled up no matter who it's talking about. And yeah, statements like that from an organization about (fill in the blank) will have an effect on what I think about 'em.
Surely you don't think that sort of getting riled up etc. is an acceptable reaction to any group saying any such thing about any other group, EXCEPT WHEN it's about Jews? Then you deride someone getting riled up about it?
I hope that's not what you meant, but I have to say that's what your comment looked like.
No, I think the article's inflammatory rhetoric is meant to rile people up. Granted, there are a lot of people here who are very concerned about Israel's security - but right now this is about Egypt. One of my co-workers returned from Tel Aviv yesterday and I asked him what it was like - were people more nervous, security at the airport increased, whatever - and he said "No." The Israeli military, he said, was on alert, but they're always on alert. But people in general were just waiting to see what happened and not overly worried.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:24:55am |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
Yes.
They seem to believe they were booted because went from being a rightie to being a leftie and didn't want them around anymore.I never figured Charles for a rightie to begin with. And so certain changes did not bother me as much as it did other folks. Some folks are really really bothered by it. And I guess, they feel "betrayed" in some way.
They occasionally go after DF, me, Walter, gee- a few others who were here then AND who are here now. But Charles is their main focus.
AND btw - I saw bannings occur as they happened. And I can't recall that it was EVER for simple disagreement with Charles.
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Obdicut Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:26:01am |
re: #351 lawhawk
I still have the hope that the roots of this protest is going to lead away from an acceptance of the Muslim Brotherhood. A lot of the reason for these revolts is the food prices; I don't think "War with Israel!" will really resonate with people who want food, want jobs.
And I'm pretty sure Al Queda has its roots in the Egyptian Islamic Jihad far more than in the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is pretty mainstream, sadly, for Middle Eastern politics; destruction of Israel and basing laws on Islam is par for the course.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:26:22am |
re: #372 darthstar
No, I think the article's inflammatory rhetoric is meant to rile people up. Granted, there are a lot of people here who are very concerned about Israel's security - but right now this is about Egypt. One of my co-workers returned from Tel Aviv yesterday and I asked him what it was like - were people more nervous, security at the airport increased, whatever - and he said "No." The Israeli military, he said, was on alert, but they're always on alert. But people in general were just waiting to see what happened and not overly worried.
Ah.
Well - I don't think an article's information can be dismissed simply because you view it as overly-inflammatory. Plenty of very inflammatory stuff is actually TRUE.
I don't trust the MB. For the very reasons outlined in that article.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:26:28am |
re: #373 reine.de.tout
AND btw - I saw bannings occur as they happened. And I can't recall that it was EVER for simple disagreement with Charles.
I was here at the time, though not present for the actual bannings (I rarely am, as they usually occur either while I'm trying to be productive, or while I'm asleep). No one that I know of has ever been banned simply for disagreeing - only for disagreeing in a manner that is extremely unpleasant or otherwise not suitable for public consumption.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:26:30am |
re: #372 darthstar
Israelis are worried, but that's about all they can do. The IDF will prepare as best as they can to the changing circumstances - reorienting their military forces to deal with a possible hostile regime, but for now, they're continuing to operate as per the CDA and coordinating security efforts.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:28:02am |
re: #366 Talking Point Detective
They're not only hateful, they're deluded too. They have a whole posting about how Charles "lied" about this Ryannon guy writing hate comments. Yeah, write, these are not hate comments:
And fuck you, LGF!Stalkers are made (by you idiots), not born.
---
I was briefly ok with The Lud way back when he first showed up, but after he started sucking on Asswhistle’s tits, he got a little uppity with me and I put him on permanent GAZE.
---The fuckers are seriously losing their sense of humor. Often a sure sign of the end. Reminds me of all those Hiter-in-the-Bunker spoofs.
---
I was never, ever, thirsty enough to drink the Kool-Aid, let alone the menstrual blood of Asswhistle.
No, no hate there, sir.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:28:31am |
re: #376 thedopefishlives
I was here at the time, though not present for the actual bannings (I rarely am, as they usually occur either while I'm trying to be productive, or while I'm asleep). No one that I know of has ever been banned simply for disagreeing - only for disagreeing in a manner that is extremely unpleasant or otherwise not suitable for public consumption.
Eggs-zactly.
Or posting something vicious and violent and way out of line.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:28:48am |
re: #377 lawhawk
Israelis are worried, but that's about all they can do. The IDF will prepare as best as they can to the changing circumstances - reorienting their military forces to deal with a possible hostile regime, but for now, they're continuing to operate as per the CDA and coordinating security efforts.
Say a prayer for my friend's son who joined the IDF last year. I have a bad feeling about what Israel could face in the near future.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:29:00am |
re: #378 Sergey Romanov
Yeah, right,
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:29:14am |
re: #373 reine.de.tout
AND btw - I saw bannings occur as they happened. And I can't recall that it was EVER for simple disagreement with Charles.
To add another perspective... I was banned for saying something dumb in the heat of the moment... I cooled off, explained to Charles what had happened, politely asked for my account back and ta-da! Here I am.
You really need to be extra strength dumb or extra strength hateful to really not be welcoming at LGF.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:29:38am |
re: #379 reine.de.tout
Eggs-zactly.
Or posting something vicious and violent and way out of line.
My point precisely.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:29:53am |
re: #345 sattv4u2
Red Sox nation far exceeds New England!
But if the core population left due to the inclement weather and climate there would be only be the nation in exile yearning for a return to their lost homeland.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:29:55am |
re: #377 lawhawk
Israelis are worried, but that's about all they can do. The IDF will prepare as best as they can to the changing circumstances - reorienting their military forces to deal with a possible hostile regime, but for now, they're continuing to operate as per the CDA and coordinating security efforts.
They've shown more flexibility than Camp David calls for, agreeing that a battalion or so of extra Egyptian Army troops should move towards Sharm al Sheik.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:30:35am |
re: #378 Sergey Romanov
They're not only hateful, they're deluded too. They have a whole posting about how Charles "lied" about this Ryannon guy writing hate comments. Yeah, write, these are not hate comments:
No, no hate there, sir.
Yes, a civil, polite bunch they are.
Even in the midst of the throes of my temper-tantrum here yesterday, I don't think I came anywhere close to that sort of thing.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:31:12am |
IDF secures Egypt border fearing terrorist infiltration from Sinai-fearing-terrorist-infiltration-from-sinai-1.340455
Kerry: Mubarak should step aside in Egypt
Mitt Romney calls for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to step down
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:31:29am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
Condolences on your loss.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:31:45am |
re: #382 McSpiff
To add another perspective... I was banned for saying something dumb in the heat of the moment... I cooled off, explained to Charles what had happened, politely asked for my account back and ta-da! Here I am.
You really need to be extra strength dumb or extra strength hateful to really not be welcoming at LGF.
Yep. Others here have similar stories.
And, glad you're back.
:-)
Even if you're a smart-ass sometimes.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:31:54am |
re: #374 Obdicut
Zawahiri was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood (arrested in the roundup of Brotherhood members after the Sadat Assassination) before going on to found Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ). His ideological background includes expanding on the teachings of Qutb, who was influential in the Brotherhood.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:33:03am |
re: #386 reine.de.tout
Yes, a civil, polite bunch they are.
Even in the midst of the throes of my temper-tantrum here yesterday, I don't think I came anywhere close to that sort of thing.
I decided that it is better to just block the stalkers as soon as they show up at my blog and not get down in the mud and wrestle with them, as all this does is gets me all muddy and makes them happy.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:34:13am |
re: #392 Alouette
I decided that it is better to just block the stalkers as soon as they show up at my blog and not get down in the mud and wrestle with them, as all this does is gets me all muddy and makes them happy.
Great decision, IMO.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:34:18am |
re: #392 Alouette
I decided that it is better to just block the stalkers as soon as they show up at my blog and not get down in the mud and wrestle with them, as all this does is gets me all muddy and makes them happy.
From your description I gather they're not kosher too ;)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:34:21am |
re: #392 Alouette
I decided that it is better to just block the stalkers as soon as they show up at my blog and not get down in the mud and wrestle with them, as all this does is gets me all muddy and makes them happy.
"Never argue with an idiot. They'll only drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."
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darthstar Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:34:29am |
Crap...7:30 already....I'm a half-hour late taking the dogs on their run...going to have to make it a short loop today. BBL.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:35:06am |
re: #370 lawhawk
Gaza is an economic wasteland of Hamas' own doing.
Hm. Not saying that Hamas is innocent at all. But did you read this?:
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
[Link: www.aftenposten.no...]
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:35:07am |
re: #389 reine.de.tout
Yep. Others here have similar stories.
And, glad you're back.
:-)
Even if you're a smart-ass sometimes.
I'm sorry! Should have dropped it the first 8 times you said 'I'm done'. And you're right, we're pretty much universally above the type of behavior you see at the Stalker blogs, which makes me feel doubly bad about yesterday. Easy to forget we're all in a very public place here.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:35:22am |
re: #390 lawhawk
Another way to put it is that the al Qaeda family tree is as follows:
Muslim Brotherhood > Egyptian Islamic Jihad > al Qaeda.
The ideological teachings go from Qutb to Zawahiri and concurrent or superseded now by Awlaki.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:35:57am |
re: #398 McSpiff
I'm sorry! Should have dropped it the first 8 times you said 'I'm done'. And you're right, we're pretty much universally above the type of behavior you see at the Stalker blogs, which makes me feel doubly bad about yesterday. Easy to forget we're all in a very public place here.
Heh.
We have good days, and bad days.
Hopefully, more good ones than bad ones.
It happens.
Don't worry 'bout it.
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Obdicut Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:39:02am |
re: #390 lawhawk
The Muslim Brotherhood includes people who are as extreme as Al Queda, but also includes people who 'just' want to have a society based on Islamic law. That is something absolutely distasteful for me, but it's exactly what we've allowed to happen in Iraq. US soldiers have given their lives, in the end, to establish an Islamic state in Iraq. That rankles me quite a bit.
It also takes away much of the argument against the participation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt's government.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:39:28am |
re: #397 000G
I'm aware of those diplomatic postings, which ignore that during the time period in question, Israel was under incessant attack from Gaza. Thousands of kassams and mortars, and Israel's response was to keep their border sealed with Gaza and allow humanitarian aid to pass.
Israel is under no obligation to aid and abet its mortal enemy sustain itself using humanitarian aid. Hamas chose war with Israel, and the wages of that war was to limit Israel's involvement in Gaza's economy. But for the kassams and mortars, Israel would not have shut down its economic activity in Gaza. But for Hamas engaging in ongoing efforts to attack Israel, the checkpoints would allow for free trade and economic activity above its current levels - and go back to levels seen prior to Hamas' takeover.
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:39:30am |
re: #399 lawhawk
Another way to put it is that the al Qaeda family tree is as follows:
Muslim Brotherhood > Egyptian Islamic Jihad > al Qaeda.
The ideological teachings go from Qutb to Zawahiri and concurrent or superseded now by Awlaki.
The funny part is none of this is exactly secret. The only way to view the MB as totally benign is by only reading and believing their press release which says "we're totally benign. Totally."
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:40:01am |
re: #344 000G
Rumor reported to have been false alarm, spread by Al Arabiya.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:40:16am |
heheh.
I'm at the doctor's office, waiting in a room, and I grabbed my e-cigarette for a couple of drags and the nurse walked in and JUST ABOUT FLIPPED OUT. What fun. These e-cigs are great.
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:41:29am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
heheh.
I'm at the doctor's office, waiting in a room, and I grabbed my e-cigarette for a couple of drags and the nurse walked in and JUST ABOUT FLIPPED OUT. What fun. These e-cigs are great.
I've barely taught my folks to text and look at you...
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:41:36am |
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1537: Sarah El Sirgany tweets: "A stage, soundsystem and projector is being set up in #Tahrir Square in anticipation of someone addressing the protesters. Either ElBaradei or prominent scientist Ahmed Zuweil will speak to protesters later tonight."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:42:05am |
re: #400 reine.de.tout
Heh.
We have good days, and bad days.
Hopefully, more good ones than bad ones.
It happens.
Don't worry 'bout it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:43:10am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
I've been thinking about them... you really like them?
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:44:16am |
Oh YEAH!
My manager just emailed and told me not to come in tomorrow! If there is stuff that I can do from home I should stay at home!
I need a Secure-ID (one of those passkeys that generate a random number every 60 seconds) so I can log in to my work desktop from a remote location.
Even if I don't get the Secure-ID validated today, I have printouts, lots of printouts!
And I don't plan on going to the mall.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:45:28am |
re: #406 reine.de.tout
heheh.
I'm at the doctor's office, waiting in a room, and I grabbed my e-cigarette for a couple of drags and the nurse walked in and JUST ABOUT FLIPPED OUT. What fun. These e-cigs are great.
How much do those cost? I would like to get one for Zedushka. I know he is going to try to sneak smokes around my new car and get it all stanked up.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:46:34am |
A little reminder for our friends in Punxsutawney;
Phil is phriend not phood.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:47:01am |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:47:04am |
re: #402 Obdicut
The Muslim Brotherhood includes people who are as extreme as Al Queda, but also includes people who 'just' want to have a society based on Islamic law. That is something absolutely distasteful for me, but it's exactly what we've allowed to happen in Iraq. US soldiers have given their lives, in the end, to establish an Islamic state in Iraq. That rankles me quite a bit.
It also takes away much of the argument against the participation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt's government.
That's so disappointing. Our leaders fully expected the Iraqis to adopt the Vatican's canon law.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:49:25am |
re: #415 Decatur Deb
In retrospect; I wish we would have just gone in, popped Saddam and his "Pig Latin" sons and got the fuck back out.
Nice having the luxury of retrospect.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:49:35am |
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1544: It is very difficult to give an accurate estimate of the number of protesters in Cairo's Tahrir Square, with reported numbers ranging from more than 100,000 to some 250,000 - the square's maximum capacity.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:50:40am |
re: #407 McSpiff
I've barely taught my folks to text and look at you...
*ahem*
Are you calling her "old"?
(runs away laughing...)
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:50:42am |
re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I've been thinking about them... you really like them?
I like the one I have now. I'll find the link and send it to you if you wish. The one I bought at the kiosk at the mall was terrible.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:51:08am |
re: #417 lawhawk
Maybe Fox should count 'em.
/
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:51:11am |
re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
*ahem*
Are you calling her "old"?
(runs away laughing...)
Hell.
I am old.
And will be older at the end of the month (birthday coming up)
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:51:40am |
re: #418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
*ahem*
Are you calling her "old"?
(runs away laughing...)
Thanks buddy. Thanks a lot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:51:48am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:53:13am |
re: #412 Alouette
How much do those cost? I would like to get one for Zedushka. I know he is going to try to sneak smokes around my new car and get it all stanked up.
Alouette - let me find the link.
I got two sets, so one is charging when the other is in use. It was about $100 for the set I got. But you can get a single set for less. Then I use refillable cartridges, and it costs MUCH LESS than real cigarettes. Let me find the link for the one I have now, I like it (JasonA told me about these).
I'll post in a minute.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:54:11am |
re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Please do. But, only if it can replace the smokes.
Gosh, I wanna quit!
So do I,FBV.
If you're really serious about it, this can be very helpful. It feels and tastes like a real cigarette. With nicotine, but no tobacco.
Hang on, let me look.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:56:44am |
re: #425 reine.de.tout
I look very sexy when I smoke.
/
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:57:15am |
#
1549: Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa calls for immediate talks between the opposition and the government: "Now the point is how to establish an immediate dialogue, to put things into perspective and to decide how to move on," he says. "The name of the game now is how to create a consensus - a national consensus - on the next steps. The name of the game is reform."
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:59:00am |
re: #427 lawhawk
"[...] The name of the game is reform."
Ain't that the truth. It's almost too bad Mubarak didn't figure that one out sooner. Every time he opens his mouth, his foot's in it.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 7:59:09am |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
Yes.
They seem to believe they were booted because went from being a rightie to being a leftie and didn't want them around anymore.I never figured Charles for a rightie to begin with. And so certain changes did not bother me as much as it did other folks. Some folks are really really bothered by it. And I guess, they feel "betrayed" in some way.
They occasionally go after DF, me, Walter, gee- a few others who were here then AND who are here now. But Charles is their main focus.
Yeah - the change at LGF is something I find fascinating.
When I first started looking at the site I assumed that if I posted comments I would be booted for disagreeing with what I saw as a far-right and Islamophobic viewpoint. I didn't read the blog extensively, but I don't recall, back in the day, any disagreement in the comments with the general right-wing frame - and assumed that was due to the site's monitoring policy. ItI assumed that was just the way it was. And truth told, I felt that much of Charles' framing of issues was hyperbolic - for example, sarcastically taking statements of lefties out of context. Essentially - what you'll see now if you go to Ace of Spades or sites that were allied with Charles in Pajamas Media.
Be that as it may.
But since I've been posting - I have yet to see anyone booted simply for "disagreeing" with Charles or anyone else. In fact, I've seen that Charles has been extremely specific in explaining his policy, and very careful to walk that line as he decides whether to boot someone.
Whether he changed in his approach or my take on it is different because of (what I see to be) a shift in general political orientation, is hard to get a grasp on objectively.
So I think that the whole situation is a very interesting phenomenon - but independent of that, it is just freaking bizarre that anyone who was booted - even if they were booted "unfairly" (which is a bizarre concept anyway, since it's Charles' blog and there is no fairness or unfairness, there's just what he decides to do or not do) - would be so obsessed with Charles.
It's really freakish. I've seen some related phenomena were rightwingers comment obsessively on a lefty blog about how much they hate the blog and the blogger.
Honestly, my arm-chair psychologist read is that it has something to do with a strange authority complex, probably related to daddy issues. They need Charles' approval for some reason, and are deeply hurt by his rejection. But yet, at the same time, they need to make sure that they keep doing things that Charles will reject them for.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:00:57am |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:04:17am |
Electronic Cigs.
The joye e-go.
Here's a video on how to use.Your text to link...
I use the refillable cartridges, which I fill with "juice" of the flavor and strength of my choice. You can get prefilled, which I used for awhile, but I prefer the refillable.
One possible problem to watch out for - there is the joye e-go, and then a "mega" size. I have the regular e-go, and inadvertently ordered the mega cartridges and they will not fit the regular, so pay attention when you're ordering supplies.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:04:25am |
re: #429 Talking Point Detective
Yeah - the change at LGF is something I find fascinating.
[snip]
.
Those who have "betrayed" the tribe are greater enemies than the other who havew been enemies always.
You can see the phenomena in a number of forums. On the creationist front more scorn and vitrol are tossed at the moderate Christians than the outright atheists.
In both cases the basis appears to be emotional rather than rational. If anything, it could be described as an abject fear of fact and rationality.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:06:53am |
re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And then his ass kicked.
What kind of car did you get?
I said upthread, but I'll say again.
Ford Escape XLT, in "Sangria Red." Sweet.
Now I must get my nails done in that same shade!
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:07:31am |
re: #433 oaktree
Those who have "betrayed" the tribe are greater enemies than the other who havew been enemies always.
You can see the phenomena in a number of forums. On the creationist front more scorn and vitrol are tossed at the moderate Christians than the outright atheists.
In both cases the basis appears to be emotional rather than rational. If anything, it could be described as an abject fear of fact and rationality.
Yeah. I like that.
It's like if someone once in their tribe disagrees with them - particularly if that person was seen as a leader - their entire world crumbles.
In this specific case, Once can only assume that originally, their self-concept was largely built around Charles' approval. Big-time daddy issues.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:08:13am |
re: #434 Alouette
Sorry. I missed it.
How cool!
My Toyota Highlander has 270,000 miles on it. Smells like smoke innit.
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Interesting Times Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:08:59am |
re: #429 Talking Point Detective
Honestly, my arm-chair psychologist read is that it has something to do with a strange authority complex, probably related to daddy issues. They need Charles' approval for some reason, and are deeply hurt by his rejection. But yet, at the same time, they need to make sure that they keep doing things that Charles will reject them for.
That's about the only way I can make sense of it, as well. Especially the way they carried on in the thread about RP's recent banning - essentially saying Charles had an obligation to "take care" of his commenters and had failed. They really do act as if he's a parent who abandoned them. Creepy in the extreme.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:11:25am |
re: #437 publicityStunted
Oh, pooh. It's a fucking weblog.
Many friends of mine went away. I still wish them well, but I also wish them a better distraction in life.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:12:50am |
re: #437 publicityStunted
saying Charles had an obligation to "take care" of his commenters ...
Certainly fits the diagnosis.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:16:53am |
re: #429 Talking Point Detective
Yeah - the change at LGF is something I find fascinating.
The change is in the commenters who are here. Charles has changed his opinion on some things, as we all have as information becomes available, but the biggest change, I think, came when Charles instituted a method of really being able to monitor comments closely; before that, it was sometimes like the inmates were in charge of the asylum (understand, I was one of those very inmates!) I think it turned many people off, plus folks would chase folks off. It happens these days a bit in reverse, as you see disparaging comments made to or about a few of the conservatives here, but it's not nearly as bad as it used to be, IMO.
When I first started looking at the site I assumed that if I posted comments I would be booted for disagreeing with what I saw as a far-right and Islamophobic viewpoint. I didn't read the blog extensively, but I don't recall, back in the day, any disagreement in the comments with the general right-wing frame - and assumed that was due to the site's monitoring policy. ItI assumed that was just the way it was. And truth told, I felt that much of Charles' framing of issues was hyperbolic - for example, sarcastically taking statements of lefties out of context. Essentially - what you'll see now if you go to Ace of Spades or sites that were allied with Charles in Pajamas Media.
Charles' posting style and framing of issues may have at times been hyperbolic - and honestly, probably still is at times, depending on which side of things you're looking at it from. But - it is what it is, eh?
But since I've been posting - I have yet to see anyone booted simply for "disagreeing" with Charles or anyone else. In fact, I've seen that Charles has been extremely specific in explaining his policy, and very careful to walk that line as he decides whether to boot someone.Whether he changed in his approach or my take on it is different because of (what I see to be) a shift in general political orientation, is hard to get a grasp on objectively.
I don't think Charles' basic political orientation changed. I think what changed is the reality of life in the US. We are not today, where we were on 9/12/2001. That was a whole different time, a different set of problems, a different set of fears.
So I think that the whole situation is a very interesting phenomenon - but independent of that, it is just freaking bizarre that anyone who was booted - even if they were booted "unfairly" (which is a bizarre concept anyway, since it's Charles' blog and there is no fairness or unfairness, there's just what he decides to do or not do) - would be so obsessed with Charles.
Yes, interesting, and a bit scary, as far as I'm concerned anyhow. Someone using Diary Daedulus as a name has been searching for me - good grief, ME, nobody - via google and other public info sites. Why? It's strange and it's reached a point with those folks where it's scary.
It's really freakish. I've seen some related phenomena were rightwingers comment obsessively on a lefty blog about how much they hate the blog and the blogger.
Honestly, my arm-chair psychologist read is that it has something to do with a strange authority complex, probably related to daddy issues. They need Charles' approval for some reason, and are deeply hurt by his rejection. But yet, at the same time, they need to make sure that they keep doing things that Charles will reject them for.
I don't even try to figure it out anymore. I just try to take care of my business, my own behavior and actions, and not worry too much about theirs.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:17:20am |
re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, pooh. It's a fucking weblog.
Many friends of mine went away. I still wish them well, but I also wish them a better distraction in life.
You really don't think the obsession is bizarre?
It's not just like Media Matters chronicling Beck's factual errors - it's an entire website devoted to a creepy personal obsession with Charles (and some of the folks who blog here). Sorry, that is just flat-out weird.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:21:23am |
re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh, pooh. It's a fucking weblog.
Many friends of mine went away. I still wish them well, but I also wish them a better distraction in life.
Well, except for the whole searching for people thing under a name registered as "Diary Daedulus". More than just a weblog. That was creepy as hell, getting a notice Diary was searching for me in phone books, etc.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:23:07am |
re: #441 reine.de.tout
Yes, interesting, and a bit scary, as far as I'm concerned anyhow. Someone using Diary Daedulus as a name has been searching for me - good grief, ME, nobody - via google and other public info sites. Why? It's strange and it's reached a point with those folks where it's scary.
They try to keep tabs on everyone. E.g.:
Sergey Romanov (MustKeelMooseandSquirrel). I’ve been following his career since he first showed upª. He knew the site and commenters well so he must have been lurking (stalking) for awhile before he came on stage, and is getting better at Chunkspeak all the time. From day one he has been working to gain prominence in the clutch. KKKalegore should watch is back.[...]
ª Will be referred to as “stalking”.
Now I'm just waiting for the moment when the LGF stalkers will converge with my personal stalker (that we talked about). :)
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:23:20am |
re: #433 oaktree
Those who have "betrayed" the tribe are greater enemies than the other who havew been enemies always.
You can see the phenomena in a number of forums. On the creationist front more scorn and vitrol are tossed at the moderate Christians than the outright atheists.
In both cases the basis appears to be emotional rather than rational. If anything, it could be described as an abject fear of fact and rationality.
An all too common endpoint of tribalism, or as some consider it, 'supporting your team'. It's not a team; it is, or should be, an interaction of complex viewpoints about the world and the human condition.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:24:00am |
re: #442 Talking Point Detective
I was saying that LGF is just a weblog.
If I'm gonna have an obsession?
Sofia Vergara.
Charles is cute and everything... but... hell's bells!
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Romantic Heretic Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:28:22am |
re: #340 sattv4u2
Hey All
I want to thank each and every one of my Lizard friends for their kind words, well wishes and prayers while my mother had been in the hospital these past 4 months
Sadly, on Sunday morning she lost her battle and passed away, but not before she had her husband and all three children by her side!
I sit here now in Boston watching the snow fall on top of the 6+ foot piles they already have (forecast, 12-18 inches today into tomorrow) wondering how the/ why the hell I ever lived up here for the 1st 45 years of my life!
Aw geez. I'm so sorry for your loss.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:31:37am |
re: #444 Sergey Romanov
They try to keep tabs on everyone. E.g.:
Now I'm just waiting for the moment when the LGF stalkers will converge with my personal stalker (that we talked about). :)
Good grief.
Yes, I suspect they well may try to connect up with your personal stalker. Wow.
But Sergey - I will say - you're actually somebody with personal credibility and public presence apart from here - I'm an anonymous nobody with time on my hands. NOT that it makes it any more rational -
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Obdicut Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:32:41am |
re: #448 reine.de.tout
The irony of people that are supposedly pro-Israel and pro-Jewish attacking Sergey, who has spent years taking down holocaust deniers, is pretty sad.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:33:01am |
re: #441 reine.de.tout
I don't think Charles' basic political orientation changed. I think what changed is the reality of life in the US. We are not today, where we were on 9/12/2001. That was a whole different time, a different set of problems, a different set of fears.
Well - you were around back then and obviously have a more-informed perspective - but I do have a hard time seeing it that way. I'm not saying that he went from being a John Bircher to being a lib, but the rightwing lunatics he skewers now were just as lunatic back in 2005. The Christian Right has been very prevalent and very influential since 2000 at least. That's not to say that I think that now he'd be inclined to give a pass to left-wing lunatics. And he certainly doesn't seem partisan with respect to the Democratic Party. Sure, the number of lunatics in the Republican Party has increased, and the Republican Party has clearly made a strategic decision to pander to those lunatics whereas a couple of years ago they just tolerated them for the sake of getting their votes. But I honestly don't think it's simply a matter of the constellation shifting around Charles' overriding political message.
I'm not complaining - Charles is good at what he does, and I'm glad to have him skewering rightwing lunatics. And I don't think that shifting orientation is a bad thing - it shows flexibility and a willingness to re-examine one's beliefs, something sorely lacking in today's political discourse.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:33:58am |
re: #443 reine.de.tout
Well, except for the whole searching for people thing under a name registered as "Diary Daedulus". More than just a weblog. That was creepy as hell, getting a notice Diary was searching for me in phone books, etc.
How did you get a notice that this was occurring by this "individual"?
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:34:25am |
re: #444 Sergey Romanov
They try to keep tabs on everyone. E.g.:
Now I'm just waiting for the moment when the LGF stalkers will converge with my personal stalker (that we talked about). :)
"career?"
How bizarre is that? They think that making comments at a website is someone's "career?"
Only more evidence of their obsession.
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Randy W. Weeks Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:36:28am |
re: #432 reine.de.tout
Have those things really replaced cigarettes for you? I a pack-a-day Marlboro Lights smoker (heaven help me, I do love to smoke), but I really, really need to quit.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:36:38am |
re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was saying that LGF is just a weblog.
If I'm gonna have an obsession?
Sofia Vergara.Charles is cute and everything... but... hell's bells!
Gotcha. At least you have healthy obsessions.
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:38:33am |
The key is understanding that skewering lunatics > skewering right wing/left wing.
This place is more pro-rationality than anti-whatever. Politics is a bumper crop of anti-rationality.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:39:25am |
re: #449 Obdicut
The irony of people that are supposedly pro-Israel and pro-Jewish attacking Sergey, who has spent years taking down holocaust deniers, is pretty sad.
Well, strictly speaking, debunking deniers doesn't (shouldn't) give me some sort of protection from anyone "pro-Israel and pro-Jewish". Their attacks are pathological on just the human level.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:42:22am |
re: #450 Talking Point Detective
As I sort of said in a previous comment - what you see coming from Charles, the virulence or hyperbole or whatever - how you perceive that (and how you perceived it then) will, frankly, depend on which side you're looking in from.
Sure, the number of lunatics in the Republican Party has increased, and the Republican Party has clearly made a strategic decision to pander to those lunatics whereas a couple of years ago they just tolerated them for the sake of getting their votes. But I honestly don't think it's simply a matter of the constellation shifting around Charles' overriding political message.
Yes, the R's have made a strategic decision to pander to lunatics, I agree with that. What disturbs ME is when it's pointed out some R's are sane and were not on board to begin with, with Tea-party types (Scott Brown), it's twisted as being, well, he took their support then turned his back on them. And no - they supported him because he was their best bet, not because he pandered to them and then turned his back on them. That assessment felt to me as dishonest as some conservative assessments of Dems.
And no, it's not SIMPLY a matter of the constellation shifting around Charles' political message - but that does seem to me to be at least a part of what happened here, at lgf.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:43:01am |
re: #448 reine.de.tout
Good grief.
Yes, I suspect they well may try to connect up with your personal stalker. Wow.
But Sergey - I will say - you're actually somebody with personal credibility and public presence apart from here - I'm an anonymous nobody with time on my hands. NOT that it makes it any more rational -
Simple look at Louisiana cyberstalking info. Don't know what your state offers in the early stages.
[Link: www.haltabuse.org...]
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:43:32am |
re: #453 LoneStarSpur
Have those things really replaced cigarettes for you? I a pack-a-day Marlboro Lights smoker (heaven help me, I do love to smoke), but I really, really need to quit.
Not yet, but I anticipate they will, IF I MAKE MYSELF GET REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT IT>
I smoke Marlboro red 100's up to 2 packs a day.
If you're smoking Marlboro light,1 pack a day - you should have no problem.
Give it a try. You've got nothing to lose but a bad habit.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:44:06am |
re: #458 Decatur Deb
Simple look at Louisiana cyberstalking info. Don't know what your state offers in the early stages.
[Link: www.haltabuse.org...]
OOH.
Thanks!
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:44:31am |
re: #456 Sergey Romanov
Well, strictly speaking, debunking deniers doesn't (shouldn't) give me some sort of protection from anyone "pro-Israel and pro-Jewish". Their attacks are pathological on just the human level.
Yeah - I think that's the point. The politics are really pretty irrelevant. The political justification is incredibly contrived, and as a result, is riddled with inconsistencies.
Honestly - I know this sounds hyperbolic - but that kind of obsession is deeply-rooted, psychologically. It's interesting how the Internet lays bare so many pathologies - probably exacerbates them for some folks.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:44:58am |
re: #455 oaktree
The key is understanding that skewering lunatics > skewering right wing/left wing.
This place is more pro-rationality than anti-whatever. Politics is a bumper crop of anti-rationality.
Bingo.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:47:52am |
re: #451 Ericus58
How did you get a notice that this was occurring by this "individual"?
One of the sites I belong to, I have it set up to send me a notice if someone searches for my name and clicks my - very very basic - profile. It's a site where the information is there anyhow, from public sources, and if you find yourself and create just a basic profile - enter an e-mail address and confirm it; it is not shared publicly - it will send you a notice if someone is searching for you.
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Slap Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:48:24am |
Charles, excellent piece. I'm happy your perspective is being given the respect it deserves in rational quarters.
You identify a number of specifics in your piece that are well worth noting, as you usually do when you turn your spotlight onto something. I found it mildly serendipitous that your piece appeared shortly after a video piece that ran on CBS Sunday Morning this past Sunday; I had intended to put it into a page anyway, and this thread is a good fit to mention it.
Much as we get annoyed with the details of misinformation, there are human factors that seem to trump rational analysis sometimes. I thought this piece was worth a look:
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Feline Fearless Leader Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:52:14am |
re: #461 Talking Point Detective
Yeah - I think that's the point. The politics are really pretty irrelevant. The political justification is incredibly contrived, and as a result, is riddled with inconsistencies.
Honestly - I know this sounds hyperbolic - but that kind of obsession is deeply-rooted, psychologically. It's interesting how the Internet lays bare so many pathologies - probably exacerbates them for some folks.
Much easier to chase after people on-line and also find a community where you can post your screeds. Having to do it in person on foot and then find a club to screed at would cost a lot more in time and resources.
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Ericus58 Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:54:28am |
re: #463 reine.de.tout
One of the sites I belong to, I have it set up to send me a notice if someone searches for my name and clicks my - very very basic - profile. It's a site where the information is there anyhow, from public sources, and if you find yourself and create just a basic profile - enter an e-mail address and confirm it; it is not shared publicly - it will send you a notice if someone is searching for you.
What a freakstik....
Anyone that would have a beef with you is just an idiot.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 1, 2011 8:55:24am |
re: #457 reine.de.tout
As I sort of said in a previous comment - what you see coming from Charles, the virulence or hyperbole or whatever - how you perceive that (and how you perceived it then) will, frankly, depend on which side you're looking in from.
No doubt.
That assessment felt to me as dishonest as some conservative assessments of Dems
Sure. Dems were pretty crushed by Brown's victory.
And no, it's not SIMPLY a matter of the constllation shifting around Charles' political message - but that does seem to me to be at least a part of what happened here, at lgf
.
Also - no doubt.
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Randy W. Weeks Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:00:05am |
re: #459 reine.de.tout
Thanks! I think I will give them a shot.
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Jimmah Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:02:27am |
re: #378 Sergey Romanov
They're not only hateful, they're deluded too. They have a whole posting about how Charles "lied" about this Ryannon guy writing hate comments. Yeah, write, these are not hate comments:
No, no hate there, sir.
So ryannon is posting openly at the stalker blog now. I caught that deranged little jerk-off posting passive aggressive comments aimed at me and my wife some time last year. I called him out on it and he went into full-on meltdown mode. His whole raison d'etre on LGF after that point seemed to be hating on iceweasel and some other liberal posters.
Btw, I think it's best in general to try to avoid posting quotes from the stalker site here, especially when they refer to current LGF posters.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:04:31am |
re: #467 Ericus58
What a freakstik...
Anyone that would have a beef with you is just an idiot.
Aw.
*blush*
My biggest sin seems to be that I'm still here.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:09:34am |
re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
If I weren't married, I'd go with Mila Kunis, Alyson Hannigan, and Natalie Portman, but that's just me (and that they're all members of the tribe, is a huge bonus).
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:12:44am |
re: #472 lawhawk
If I weren't married, I'd go with Mila Kunis, Alyson Hannigan, and Natalie Portman, but that's just me (and that they're all members of the tribe, is a huge bonus).
I have a "special exception" arranged with my wife. She may have sex with Matt Damon if the opportunity arises, and I with Mila Kunis. I'm counting on her never meeting Matt Damon, lol.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:33:44am |
re: #471 reine.de.tout
Aw.
*blush*
My biggest sin seems to be that I'm still here.
And commenting on your comment above (about their behavior being scary) they're calling you a "Lib".
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 1, 2011 9:55:30am |
re: #474 Sergey Romanov
And commenting on your comment above (about their behavior being scary) they're calling you a "Lib".
*snort*
Shows how far out in right field they are, doesn't it.
That's the nicest thing they've called me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 1, 2011 10:51:44am |
re: #471 reine.de.tout
Aw.
*blush*
My biggest sin seems to be that I'm still here.
That's bad enough, as far as they're concerned.
Nutjobs.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Tue, Feb 1, 2011 1:00:09pm |
re: #470 Jimmah
Btw, I think it's best in general to try to avoid posting quotes from the stalker site here, especially when they refer to current LGF posters.
Point taken.
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