Egyptian Military Wins?

Foreign Policy writer says ‘game over’
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At Foreign Policy, Robert Springborg has an ominous take on the role of the military in the Egyptian unrest, arguing that the events of yesterday and today show the military is still in charge.

While much of American media has termed the events unfolding in Egypt today as “clashes between pro-government and opposition groups,” this is not in fact what’s happening on the street. The so-called “pro-government” forces are actually Mubarak’s cleverly orchestrated goon squads dressed up as pro-Mubarak demonstrators to attack the protesters in Midan Tahrir, with the Army appearing to be a neutral force. The opposition, largely cognizant of the dirty game being played against it, nevertheless has had little choice but to call for protection against the regime’s thugs by the regime itself, i.e., the military. And so Mubarak begins to show us just how clever and experienced he truly is. The game is, thus, more or less over.

The threat to the military’s control of the Egyptian political system is passing. Millions of demonstrators in the street have not broken the chain of command over which President Mubarak presides. Paradoxically the popular uprising has even ensured that the presidential succession will not only be engineered by the military, but that an officer will succeed Mubarak. The only possible civilian candidate, Gamal Mubarak, has been chased into exile, thereby clearing the path for the new vice president, Gen. Omar Suleiman. The military high command, which under no circumstances would submit to rule by civilians rooted in a representative system, can now breathe much more easily than a few days ago. It can neutralize any further political pressure from below by organizing Hosni Mubarak’s exile, but that may well be unnecessary.

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1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:01:56pm

What would these guys do with a sudden $1.3 billion budget shortfall?

2 jaunte  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:05:11pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

Probably threaten to attack someone, until they got paid.

3 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:05:28pm

the military isn’t going to fix your economic and social problems, guys.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:08:17pm

re: #2 jaunte

Probably threaten to attack someone, until they got paid.


True. The only leverage they have is to close the Suez canal and rattle swords at Israel.

But in the end, they have no oil to embargo, and they are heavily dependent on foreign tourism.

I think a lot of problems come from the fact that most of the aid the US sends there winds up with the military or with Mubarak’s cronies.

5 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:11:21pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

What would these guys do with a sudden $1.3 billion budget shortfall?

I think that’s a factor. I also think the military isn’t very keen on canceling the peace treaty with Israel or opening the border with gaza. The guys in uniform would have to pay the price for a populist democracy in Egypt.

6 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:11:57pm
The so-called “pro-government” forces are actually Mubarak’s cleverly orchestrated goon squads dressed up as pro-Mubarak demonstrators to attack the protesters in Midan Tahrir, with the Army appearing to be a neutral force

This makes a lot more sense really. We’re over a week out with the riots and all of a sudden we have pro-Mubarak protesters cracking heads?

The opposition, largely cognizant of the dirty game being played against it, nevertheless has had little choice but to call for protection against the regime’s thugs by the regime itself, i.e., the military. And so Mubarak begins to show us just how clever and experienced he truly is. The game is, thus, more or less over.

So basically, make the people think they have a chance for change, or they have something to say and a way to say it… then squash em like a bug?

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:18:21pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

It is the standard protection racket - sell “protection” with your left hand against the thugs you control with your right hand. The violence was orchestraed to just that end, and it seems to have succeeded.

8 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:19:42pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

This makes a lot more sense really. We’re over a week out with the riots and all of a sudden we have pro-Mubarak protesters cracking heads?

So basically, make the people think they have a chance for change, or they have something to say and a way to say it… then squash em like a bug?

Seems that’s exactly what’s happening.

9 researchok  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:20:11pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon

This makes a lot more sense really. We’re over a week out with the riots and all of a sudden we have pro-Mubarak protesters cracking heads?

So basically, make the people think they have a chance for change, or they have something to say and a way to say it… then squash em like a bug?

Or, just wait them out.

Sooner or later, they’ll get tired and will want to go home.

10 Ojoe  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:24:26pm

Better a pragmatic military than a fanatic brotherhood I suppose.

If that is really what is happening.

11 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:25:38pm

It seems I always post right when I new thread has started.. Here’s what I just left in the last thread:

Vodafone: Egypt forced us to send text messages

12 Eclectic Infidel  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:27:49pm

re: #6 marjoriemoon


So basically, make the people think they have a chance for change, or they have something to say and a way to say it… then squash em like a bug?

Also makes sense. If you want the ‘troublemakers’ to come out from the shadows, gotta dangle that carrot.

13 palomino  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:28:06pm

re: #10 Ojoe

Better a pragmatic military than a fanatic brotherhood I suppose.

If that is really what is happening.

Maybe, but Mubarak is a thug. And the opposition isn’t anywhere near entirely motivated by religion.

14 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:29:55pm

I find it rather tragically comedic that Mubarak-supporters are now blaming Israel and America for the pro-democracy protests and are using anti-Jewish language against El Baradei, while Iran is praising the same pro-democracy protests calling the regime the lackeys of America and Iran.
A part of this is now a competition about being the most anti-American or anti-Jewish.

15 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:30:49pm

The center column just became very narrow for me (firefox). Just me?

16 reine.de.tout  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:32:09pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

The center column just became very narrow for me (firefox). Just me?

Just you.
Well, maybe not.
But not me.
So … take that for whatever it’s worth.

17 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:32:29pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

The center column just became very narrow for me (firefox). Just me?

Not me.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:32:39pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

The center column just became very narrow for me (firefox). Just me?

The left-wing and right-wing squeeze on the centric sane has become visible. Get some supports in place before things close in like an Imperial garbage compactor.

19 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:32:40pm

re: #14 MagnaniomousCoward

I find it rather tragically comedic that Mubarak-supporters are now blaming Israel and America for the pro-democracy protests and are using anti-Jewish language against El Baradei, while Iran is praising the same pro-democracy protests calling the regime the lackeys of America and Iran.
A part of this is now a competition about being the most anti-American or anti-Jewish.

It’s the State itself that is orchastrating this meme. It’s coming straight out of State run media which means it’s the gov’t. It’s Mubarak and his cronies behind it. They know what works.

20 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:33:21pm

Link to interview Christianne Amanpour had with Mubarak just a little while ago:

(sorry, I don’t know how to embed)

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:33:35pm

re: #14 MagnaniomousCoward

I find it rather tragically comedic that Mubarak-supporters are now blaming Israel and America for the pro-democracy protests and are using anti-Jewish language against El Baradei, while Iran is praising the same pro-democracy protests calling the regime the lackeys of America and Iran.
A part of this is now a competition about being the most anti-American or anti-Jewish.

Par for the course.

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:33:42pm

re: #16 reine.de.tout

Just you.
Well, maybe not.
But not me.
So … take that for whatever it’s worth.

Hmmm, it only happens in Firefox. I must have screwed up my settings somehow.

23 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:37:21pm

Plans within plans.

Mubarak has his plans.

Suleiman has his.

The military’s going to figure out who’s going to be better for them in their long term interests. That’s likely going to fall down on Suleiman’s side, although with his role and visibility increasing as the voice of the Mubarak regime, he may find himself in the same basket at Mubarak.

Mubarak continues playing the game of autocrats - trying to extend his regime by using all the tricks in the playbook. In the end though, it comes down to whether the military will back him up.

24 MagnaniomousCoward  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:37:56pm

re: #19 Jadespring

It’s the State itself that is orchastrating this meme. It’s coming straight out of State run media which means it’s the gov’t. It’s Mubarak and his cronies behind it. They know what works.

It won’t exactly be well appreciated by the outside world though.
And the “protesters=AmericanZionazis” claims should be widely reported online to Iranians for the lovely cognitive dissonance.

25 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:42:45pm

re: #24 MagnaniomousCoward

It won’t exactly be well appreciated by the outside world though.
And the “protesters=AmericanZionazis” claims should be widely reported online to Iranians for the lovely cognitive dissonance.

I really don’t think that the gov’t cares what it looks like to the outside world at this point. They’re talking out of both sides of their mouths and are either too stupid to realize that the outside world isn’t stupid or it’s just a calculated act that they figure they’ll “fix” once they get control again.

26 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:43:14pm

re: #4 ralphieboy
Egypt makes a crapload of money off the Suez. There’s no way ANY regime is going to close the Suez. Egypt made 5.381 billion in fees (in USD) from the Suez Canal in 2008. They would be nuts to turn that down.

27 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:43:56pm

OT:
Beware of trusting wikipedia.

If you relied on this timeline of 20th century Muslim history, you’d think that:

1973: King Zahir Shah of Afghanistan is overthrown. Yom Kippur War, also known as 1973 Arab-Israeli War, leads to recapture of Sinai peninsula and Golan Heights by Egypt and Syria from Israel.

Sinai was in Egypt’s hand at the end of the war? The Golan in Syria’s hands? Nope in both instances. Israel was pushed back initially in both cases, but Israel prevailed and was buzzing Damascus and Cairo by the end of the war.

28 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:44:41pm

re: #11 Alexzander

It seems I always post right when I new thread has started.. Here’s what I just left in the last thread:

Vodafone: Egypt forced us to send text messages

news.yahoo.com...]>news.yahoo.com…]>

I wonder what exactly “forced” means in that context. No more business in Egypt if they didn’t comply? Versus egg on the face if since they did?

29 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:45:12pm

The title makes me think of this internet meme.

[Link: www.albinoblacksheep.com…]

30 What, me worry?  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:46:09pm

re: #14 MagnaniomousCoward

I find it rather tragically comedic that Mubarak-supporters are now blaming Israel and America for the pro-democracy protests and are using anti-Jewish language against El Baradei, while Iran is praising the same pro-democracy protests calling the regime the lackeys of America and Iran.
A part of this is now a competition about being the most anti-American or anti-Jewish.

Tragically comedic indeed!

Wonder what the next “democratic elections” will look like in Egypt. Because they will have them. That special kind of democracy one can only get in Iran, Cuba and Gaza.

31 justaminute  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:46:28pm

This is slightly OT but not really if you think about it. I am painting a bedroom and I stopped to start dinner and MSNBC had a report that the Ft Hood shooting was completely avoidable. They still are completely ducking an important point that made me PO so I came here to get it off my chest.

When you are reading about it and you will, ask yourself why would they completely ignore the “red light” warnings they had before the shooting. Nidal was a psychiatrist that had been making requests to be released from his Army obligations. His education was paid for by the Army. The Army did not want to release him because the number one topic for the Army and still is “soldier suicides.” The number of Army psychiatrists are shockingly small. That is the reason they ignored his bizarre behavior.

There. I feel better now.

32 Summer Seale  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:46:43pm

The plan tomorrow, apparently, is to march on the palace.

You heard it from me first last night. =)

33 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:47:20pm

re: #26 Fozzie Bear

By that logic it would be impossible for the residents of Gaza to elect a terrorist organization who would rather launch missiles daily without hitting anything and forgo foreign aid and cripple their own economy.
Why would Hezbollah continue to taunt the Israelis to invade Lebanon when Lebanon would surely lose?

34 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:47:29pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

I wonder what exactly “forced” means in that context. No more business in Egypt if they didn’t comply? Versus egg on the face if since they did?

Exactly. Apparently they have been sending out txts for the Egyptian government for 10 days now. Only after people started discusses the latest round of them on twitter did they issue this statement. It seems they are trying to avoid responsibility, but as far as I’m concerned they have shown themselves to be spineless.

35 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:48:02pm

“soniaverma Sonia Verma
What’s worse about being detained three hours by Egyptian army? Watching a four year old girl being detained with you even longer. #Egypt

She’s the Globe and Mail reporter that was detained earlier.

36 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:48:47pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

What would these guys do with a sudden $1.3 billion budget shortfall?

It doesn’t work that way. The U.S. cannot afford to have her promises taken as mere hot air. Only by honoring damned near every promise, including the incovenient ones, to the letter, do we keep open the possibility of getting others to trust us in the future.

We may need that. Very badly.

So for however long Egypt keeps her treaty commitments, it is in our sober long term self interest to keep up our end of it. We could cut loose from the deal if the Egyptian military were to reduce some city to ashes and kill everybody like Assad Sr. did in Syria, but not for smaller causes such as installing another of its own as strongman.

We can, if we choose, make their lives more difficult in other ways. Travel advisories against tourism in Egypt can be lifted quickly, or not so quickly. That will affect tourism revenues. There must be many such pinpricks in our quiver.

37 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:48:57pm

re: #32 Summer

The plan tomorrow, apparently, is to march on the palace.

You heard it from me first last night. =)

Thats been the plan since the organizers decided not to march on the palace during the “million strong” march on Tuesday. They issued the ultimatum then, saying they would march on the palace is Mubarak was still there on Friday.

38 Summer Seale  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:49:48pm

re: #37 Alexzander

Thats been the plan since the organizers decided not to march on the palace during the “million strong” march on Tuesday. They issued the ultimatum then, saying they would march on the palace is Mubarak was still there on Friday.

I got kinda slammed for saying that they should, though. =P
I really don’t think that they have many other options left. I said it last night too.

39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:51:53pm

re: #34 Alexzander

Exactly. Apparently they have been sending out txts for the Egyptian government for 10 days now. Only after people started discusses the latest round of them on twitter did they issue this statement. It seems they are trying to avoid responsibility, but as far as I’m concerned they have shown themselves to be spineless.

Contrast, e.g., Google, who went out of their way to assist establishing a voice-to-text Twitter service ahead of schedule specifically for the benefit of Egyptian protesters. Companies can have morals and still make money.

40 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:52:10pm

re: #33 Killgore Trout

By that logic it would be impossible for the residents of Gaza to elect a terrorist organization who would rather launch missiles daily without hitting anything and forgo foreign aid and cripple their own economy.
Why would Hezbollah continue to taunt the Israelis to invade Lebanon when Lebanon would surely lose?

Nobody is currently handing the Palestinians 5+ billion a year to not close a canal. The situation isn’t analogous. Even if Egypt goes completely bonkers, they will keep the canal open, because it is a gold mine. Greed speaks to ALL ideologies.

41 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:53:36pm

re: #40 Fozzie Bear

Greed speaks to ALL ideologies.

Minor squabble but I dont think this is true. It might be true to the available ideologies in Egypt at the present time, but its not true of human history.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:54:39pm

re: #31 justaminute

That and the fact that they are generally short on personnel, especially lower-grade officers.

43 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:56:58pm

re: #41 Alexzander

Minor squabble but I dont think this is true. It might be true to the available ideologies in Egypt at the present time, but its not true of human history.

Ok fair point. I just don’t see Egypt being that far gone.

44 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:58:48pm

re: #39 thedopefishlives

Contrast, e.g., Google, who went out of their way to assist establishing a voice-to-text Twitter service ahead of schedule specifically for the benefit of Egyptian protesters. Companies can have morals and still make money.

Ironic then that one of their top people in the country has been missing for days. They’ve even put out a public request for people to help locate him.

[Link: bits.blogs.nytimes.com…]

Google engineers spent last weekend working with Twitter to build a service for people in Egypt without Internet access to post messages to Twitter by leaving a telephone voicemail.

Meanwhile, the unfolding crisis in Egypt was hitting close to home. Wael Ghonim, who leads Google’s marketing for the Middle East and North Africa, is missing in Egypt, according to the company.

“He has not been seen since late Thursday evening in central Cairo,” Google said in a statement. The company also asked anyone with information about Mr. Ghonim to call +44 20 7031 3008 or e-mail infoaboutwael@google.com.

Mr. Ghonim is based in Dubai, but on his Twitter profile he also listed Cairo as one of his locations. His Twitter stream tells a harrowing story. After several days of rapid-fire Twitter posts about the protests, he went silent on Twitter Jan. 27.

45 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 12:59:12pm

new thread…

46 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 1:00:15pm

So really, we’ll just be switching a dictator in a suit for one in a uniform?

47 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 1:01:10pm

re: #27 lawhawk

OT:
Beware of trusting wikipedia.

If you relied on this timeline of 20th century Muslim history, you’d think that:

Sinai was in Egypt’s hand at the end of the war? The Golan in Syria’s hands? Nope in both instances. Israel was pushed back initially in both cases, but Israel prevailed and was buzzing Damascus and Cairo by the end of the war.

The timeline says

1973: King Zahir Shah of Afghanistan is overthrown. Yom Kippur War, also known as 1973 Arab-Israeli War, leads to recapture of Sinai peninsula and Golan Heights by Egypt and Syria from Israel.


Now this is misleading, but it’s not utterly false. The war did in fact lead to Egypt’s regaining control of the Sinai, and it lead to Syria’s gaining control of some fraction of the Golan heights.

If war is politics carried out by other means, and if the war opened the way to a political settlement that could not have been achieved otherwise, then the war served its political purpose whether or not the purely military side of the war went swimmingly.

The Egyptians proved that they could be more trouble than control of the Sinai was worth. The Israelis proved that Egypt could not expect to win a war with Israel even if it got off to a lucky start. The treaty that emerged from a sober look at these facts has held all these years.

48 lostlakehiker  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 1:05:54pm

re: #31 justaminute

This is slightly OT but not really if you think about it. I am painting a bedroom and I stopped to start dinner and MSNBC had a report that the Ft Hood shooting was completely avoidable. They still are completely ducking an important point that made me PO so I came here to get it off my chest.

When you are reading about it and you will, ask yourself why would they completely ignore the “red light” warnings they had before the shooting. Nidal was a psychiatrist that had been making requests to be released from his Army obligations. His education was paid for by the Army. The Army did not want to release him because the number one topic for the Army and still is “soldier suicides.” The number of Army psychiatrists are shockingly small. That is the reason they ignored his bizarre behavior.

There. I feel better now.

That is NOT the reason they ignored it. Hasan wasn’t getting anything done at the office. He wasn’t contributing in the least to that mission.

The Army was snake-bit by fear of doing something un-PC. If they let him go, the question would be, why does HE get to just walk out on his obligations? And if they punish him, the question will be, why is HE being singled out? So, they just sent him to Texas, so that if he did go on a killing spree, it wouldn’t be at their base.

49 justaminute  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 1:20:11pm

re: #48 lostlakehiker

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

50 Tigger2005  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 1:30:34pm

“And so, the people of a Middle Eastern country were screwed over once again.”

Again? Grandpa, doesn’t this story ever have a happy ending?”

“No, sweetheart, I’m afraid it doesn’t.”

51 Rafi2000  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:45:27pm

I’m afraid I have a hard time seeing the “opportunity” that Springbord thinks has been lost here. The “opportunity” to watch an ally drift toward the Islamic right (a la Turkey) as the Muslim Brotherhood, with external monetary and other support finds its feet? The opportunity for a country of 80 million people to fall into factionalism and civil war? Frankly, I trust Gen. Suleiman and the Army’s allegiance to their idea of “Egypt” - which for better or worse includes Egypt’s current peace treaties with Israel, open cooperation with the US, an open Suez Canal, and opposing the flow of money and weapons into Gaza more than I do the alternative. Egypt clearly needs reform - its democratic institutions need to function to enable its people to have a voice - it needs to clean up rampant corruption - and Gen. Suleiman - or whomever succeeds him will have to address those issues promptly. But the “opportunity” to see Mubarak exiled and the army - one of the only functioning institutions in the country - take a leading role may be better than the so-called lost “democratic opportunity.”

52 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 3:52:49pm

re: #51 Rafi2000

Just say “I like military dictatorships as long as they benefit my country” in the future.

It’s shorter.

53 Rafi2000  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:02:53pm

It’s called “Foreign Policy” for a reason - Egypt is Foreign - we’re here in the US - for forgive me for thinking about this from the position of what benefits the US.

This is not a choice between Cairo becoming Washington on the Nile and all Egyptians enjoying life in an American style democracy vs. Saddam Hussein style dictatorship. Those are both convenient images - but neither are particularly helpful or accurate here.

A stable transition that removes Mubarrak and gives Egypt a chance at righting itself without allowing it to drift into civil war or war with its neighbors is both good for us and for Egyptians generally.

54 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 3, 2011 4:08:45pm

re: #53 Rafi2000

And for that post, next time say “I’m going to build a strawman and burn it, wanna watch?”


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