I just became aware of this fine duo today, but I already think their new album Barton Hollow is in the running for best of the year. Joy Williams is a former Christian pop star, John Paul White is a self-described Alabama redneck, and they’ve created something really unique together.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:30:20pm |
re: #1 drool
Is that "former Christian"?
She had a successful career as a Christian pop star with Reunion Records.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:30:59pm |
kinda reminds me of that golden duo from Fleetwood Mac
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bratwurst Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:34:22pm |
When I saw the title of this thread, I feared it had something to do with pseudo-historian David Barton turning his attention re-writing the history of the Civil War!
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:41:36pm |
Thanks Charles, terrific stuff. These two really have something going on
Gotta watch the Billie Jean vid too folks. Fun
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Virginia Plain Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:41:51pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:42:35pm |
re: #2 Charles
She had a successful career as a Christian pop star with Reunion Records.
/ Nice dodge of the question.
Watch out drool he wants to keep her for himself.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:44:12pm |
re: #8 ozbloke
/ Nice dodge of the question.
Watch out drool he wants to keep her for himself.
watch out drool?
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Usually refered to as anyways Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:46:11pm |
re: #9 albusteve
watch out drool?
Yes, if I can keep drool's focus on Charles, I may have a chance with Joy.
Shhh, don't spoil it for me.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:48:23pm |
re: #10 ozbloke
Yes, if I can keep drool's focus on Charles, I may have a chance with Joy.
Shhh, don't spoil it for me.
don't worry I won't, you're doing a fine job yourself
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JoyousMN Thu, Feb 3, 2011 6:58:00pm |
Nice voices. His vocals remind me a little bit of Chris Whitley...not sure sure why...maybe that edge of vibrato in the twang.
I like the spareness of the arrangement too.
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:01:44pm |
She's awful cute. Gritty voice. Reminiscent of Ricky Lee Jones.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:06:26pm |
Wow, a FB friend of mine just mentioned this duo and their new album today too. Sounds like something worth looking into.
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recusancy Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:21:43pm |
Local flavor from here in Michigan. Frontier Ruckus. Can't find a vid with great audio but this one's ok. Seriously check them out.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:24:26pm |
Here's the link for the whole album from my FB friend. I'm gonna listen to it now.
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prairiefire Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:26:59pm |
Hi, lizards! What a day. My little boy was diagnosed with a bone spur on his knee. It is so painful he can not walk on it. We learn tomorrow what the blood work will say.
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:28:25pm |
re: #18 prairiefire
Hi, lizards! What a day. My little boy was diagnosed with a bone spur on his knee. It is so painful he can not walk on it. We learn tomorrow what the blood work will say.
Oh sorry to hear! Hoping for the best for the little guy!
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:29:52pm |
re: #18 prairiefire
Hi, lizards! What a day. My little boy was diagnosed with a bone spur on his knee. It is so painful he can not walk on it. We learn tomorrow what the blood work will say.
Poor guy! Owwie.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:30:20pm |
re: #18 prairiefire
Oh wow, that sucks. Hope he feels better fast!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:31:17pm |
re: #6 The Shadow Do
Thanks Charles, terrific stuff. These two really have something going on
Gotta watch the Billie Jean vid too folks. Fun
You mean this one:
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prairiefire Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:31:28pm |
Thank you! Big, fat tear drops rolling down his little face. pitiful
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:32:06pm |
Hey anyone know what time Friday prayers are in Egypt?
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:33:25pm |
re: #23 prairiefire
Give him a Lizard hug.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:35:20pm |
re: #24 Jadespring
I think it's around 3am Eastern US time. Not sure though. Should be interesting.
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freetoken Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:36:30pm |
Happy New Year! It is the year of the Rabbit.
Now, go breed like bunnies.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:37:22pm |
re: #26 Irenicum
I think it's around 3am Eastern US time. Not sure though. Should be interesting.
That's right I think. Egpyt is 7 hours ahead of eastern time, 8 hours ahead of central time.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:38:48pm |
re: #26 Irenicum
I think it's around 3am Eastern US time. Not sure though. Should be interesting.
Yeah. It could get really bad.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:40:34pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
That's right I think. Egpyt is 7 hours ahead of eastern time, 8 hours ahead of central time.
It's killing me, because I'm at work and the tweets are flying so fast. Now I'm home, relaxed and it's silent.
Poor me, no, I'm feeling for the protesters.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:42:03pm |
re: #31 Jadespring
I'm just hoping it doesn't get any worse than it has already. I'm just praying that the military does the right thing and can avert a bloodbath.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:43:13pm |
re: #33 Irenicum
I'm just hoping it doesn't get any worse than it has already. I'm just praying that the military does the right thing and can avert a bloodbath.
Yes, but I am not hopeful. Praying, though.
Democracy's birth is always painful.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:44:25pm |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
It's killing me, because I'm at work and the tweets are flying so fast. Now I'm home, relaxed and it's silent.
Poor me, no, I'm feeling for the protesters.
It's been relatively quiet. People even able to get some sleep in the square. Which is good. I've been actually tweeting to a few people there. Can't help but feeling it's the calm before the storm though.
Barb wire has been put up and new forces, riot cop like uniforms have been seen in troop carriers.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:44:29pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Happy New Year! It is the year of the Rabbit.
Now, go breed like bunnies.
I'll pass. Attempted, but failed, breeding is more fun.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:44:53pm |
re: #33 Irenicum
I'm just hoping it doesn't get any worse than it has already. I'm just praying that the military does the right thing and can avert a bloodbath.
I suspect they'll side with the police. That carries the lower short-term risk for them, though it increases the long-term risk. But people live in the short term, and tend to think in the short term too.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:46:40pm |
re: #37 Dark_Falcon
Then I'm praying for long term thinking to prevail.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:48:01pm |
re: #22 Dark_Falcon
Benatar is bitchin but this one is on topic...
(I just ordered from Amazon, Charles gets a crappy little tip but I do what I can)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:49:17pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Happy New Year! It is the year of the Rabbit.
Now, go breed like bunnies.
Singapore does need to need to breed, it's a fact. Their fertility rate is 1.16, which is lower than any society has ever recovered from.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:50:00pm |
re: #38 Irenicum
Then I'm praying for long term thinking to prevail.
What's sad is that many people know what's possibly coming. Are there and prepared to die if it happens. I can barely imagine what that must be like right now.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:50:21pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:51:01pm |
Egypt has the potential to swing any which way from secular democracy, theocracy, to Mubarak going full on psycho. I hope for the first option, don't rate the second option as the most likely, and cringe at the thought of the third option.
Let's hope for democracy and peace with the treaty still in force.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:54:24pm |
re: #34 Floral Giraffe
Yes, but I am not hopeful. Praying, though.
Democracy's birth is always painful.
TRUTH, and everyone is forgetting this.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:54:27pm |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
Wow. That's as bad as Spain and Italy. That's a recipe for demographic suicide.
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prairiefire Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:55:41pm |
Donald Rumsfeld has a memoir coming out:[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
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prairiefire Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:56:42pm |
re: #45 Irenicum
Wow. That's as bad as Spain and Italy. That's a recipe for demographic suicide.
I hear you can get paid to have babies in Europe.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:57:00pm |
By the way, as I'm listening to this album from the Civil Wars, I'm really liking it. Great sound going on.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 7:58:00pm |
You twitter is an amazing thing. Just got on the thing a week or so ago and here I am communicating with someone who is quite literally looking directly at Tahrir from their balcony and preparing to go to the protest.
Surreal if you think about it.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:00:56pm |
re: #50 Jadespring
It is crazy how interconnected we've become. It's a tech world after all.
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:01:10pm |
re: #49 Jadespring
You twitter is an amazing thing. Just got on the thing a week or so ago and here I am communicating with someone who is quite literally looking directly at Tahrir from their balcony and preparing to go to the protest.
Surreal if you think about it.
Do they belong to the Muslim Brotherhood?
/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:01:16pm |
Fox News says at least 8 dead today is Egypt. John Bolton is on now.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:02:25pm |
re: #53 Dark_Falcon
Fox News says at least 8 dead today is Egypt. John Bolton is on now.
Is he calling to nuke the copses yet?
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:02:38pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:03:32pm |
re: #55 Jadespring
Nah. They're Code Pink. C'mon, git with the program!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:04:41pm |
re: #46 prairiefire
Donald Rumsfeld has a memoir coming out:[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
Yes, and he's already feuding with John McCain over its content:
The McCain-Rumsfeld feud continues with new jabs on both sides, fueled by the release of the former defense secretary's new book.
Quoting from Rumsfeld's upcoming book "Known and Unknown" during an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America," George Stephanopoulos asked McCain to respond to the charge that he has a "hair-triggered temper" and "a propensity to shift his positions to appeal to the media."
The 2008 Republican presidential nominee said "thank God he (Rumsfeld) was relieved of his duties and we put the surge in, otherwise we would have had a disastrous defeat in Iraq."
The two men famously clashed during former President George W. Bush's second term in office. Rumsfeld was the lead architect of the invasion into Iraq in 2003, with which McCain publicly disagreed. The senator was in favor of the war but felt more troops were needed for the incursion to be successful.
"He and I had a very, very strong difference of opinion about the strategy that he was employing in Iraq, which I predicted was doomed to failure," McCain said.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:04:47pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Is he calling to nuke the copses yet?
He wants to nuke the pyramids. That will show them our gods are better then theirs. /
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:05:22pm |
I think I've finally figured out sour dough bread. Keeping a jar of rotting flour and water on my counter is a bit much even for me but I'm warming up to the concept.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:05:27pm |
re: #51 Irenicum
It is crazy how interconnected we've become. It's a tech world after all.
Yes truly. Don't know this person from adam and yet here I am worried and hoping that they'll be okay. Also feeling awful that all I'm going to do is just go to bed.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:06:19pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
I think I've finally figured out sour dough bread. Keeping a jar of rotting flour and water on my counter is a bit much even for me but I'm warming up to the concept.
Awesome. Did you catch a wild culture or get a starter?
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:07:08pm |
re: #53 Dark_Falcon
Fox News says at least 8 dead today is Egypt. John Bolton is on now.
UGH. Who does he want to bomb?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:07:11pm |
re: #54 Killgore Trout
Is he calling to nuke the copses yet?
No he's being sane tonight. But he is saying that expedited elections would benefit the Muslim Brotherhood.
Right now, Fox News is Viewing With Alarm the attacks on journalists in Egypt. In that, Fox is like other networks: Attacks on reporters draw their attention like a magnet.
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JAFO Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:08:55pm |
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
No he's being sane tonight. But he is saying that expedited elections would benefit the Muslim Brotherhood.
Right now, Fox News is Viewing With Alarm the attacks on journalists in Egypt. In that, Fox is like other networks: Attacks on reporters draw their attention like a magnet.
I like how Rush Limbaugh had no problem with reporters from CNN or NYT being assaulted, but he became outraged when it happened to a Fox News reporter.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:10:01pm |
re: #61 prononymous
Awesome. Did you catch a wild culture or get a starter?
Yup. It's not really difficult. The hard part is leaving the jar out and letting it do its thing. It's just contrary to all modern rules of hygiene but it does work.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:11:04pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
I think your kitchen counters must be QUITE a sight.
LOL!
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SpaceJesus Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:12:11pm |
school canceled again. water pipes froze and gas keeps going on and off. time to warm up with some ten high and the internets
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:13:18pm |
re: #66 Floral Giraffe
I think your kitchen counters must be QUITE a sight.
LOL!
It would be very difficult to explain my various gross yet delicious experiments to outsiders.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:13:18pm |
re: #64 mracb
I like how Rush Limbaugh had no problem with reporters from CNN or NYT being assaulted, but he became outraged when it happened to a Fox News reporter.
True that. Though to be fair, Fow did note that other netowrks have had even worse things happen to their reporters. One ABC reporter was threatened with beheading.
Naturally, he ran while he was ahead.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:13:28pm |
Hey all,
How are you and how is your part of the world tonite?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:13:58pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
True that. Though to be fair, Fow did note that other netowrks have had even worse things happen to their reporters. One ABC reporter was threatened with beheading.
Naturally, he ran while he was ahead.
really?!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:14:13pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
True that. Though to be fair, Fox did note that other networks have had even worse things happen to their reporters. One ABC reporter was threatened with beheading.
Naturally, he ran while he was ahead.
PIMF
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:14:51pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:15:14pm |
re: #57 Dark_Falcon
Can I just say that they're both right in a way. McCain has changed his position on important issues depending on what's popular or expedient politically, but McCain is absolutely right that Rummy's strategy of minimal troops was horrendously bad. The Powell Doctrine still holds.
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prairiefire Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:16:16pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Yup. It's not really difficult. The hard part is leaving the jar out and letting it do its thing. It's just contrary to all modern rules of hygiene but it does work.
I think I've read that some bakeries have starters that are around 60 years old.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:17:12pm |
re: #68 Killgore Trout
I think it was Nancy Silverton who founded the La Brea Bakery company.
She lost everything she had, was invested with Bernie Madoff.
I bet he kitchen counters are weirder than yours.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:17:16pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:17:58pm |
re: #65 Killgore Trout
Yup. It's not really difficult. The hard part is leaving the jar out and letting it do its thing. It's just contrary to all modern rules of hygiene but it does work.
Yeah, it doesn't always work. Sometimes it just seems to get rotten, or the wild culture you catch doesn't taste that great. But sometimes you stumble across a totally awesome unique taste. Each culture I have tried has been somewhat different.
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freetoken Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:18:21pm |
re: #59 Killgore Trout
I love good sourdough bread, warm with butter.
Unfortunately when presented with the opportunity I engorge myself on the stuff... so alas, to not gain weight I have to avoid it.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:25:09pm |
re: #79 freetoken
I love it toasted.
And deny it, to avoid the weight gain.
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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:29:08pm |
School was canceled for a FOURTH straight day at OU tomorrow. I've had a second winter break.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:31:32pm |
re: #81 ProLifeLiberal
School was canceled for a FOURTH straight day at OU tomorrow. I've had a second winter break.
I just saw that on TV...I have to slip slide to work in the morning in Norman
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JAFO Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:32:45pm |
re: #80 Floral Giraffe
I love it toasted.
And deny it, to avoid the weight gain.
That's terrible. I'm lucky, I can eat anything and I don't gain weight.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:40:16pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:42:18pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:42:32pm |
re: #82 HoosierHoops
How's Winston holding up?
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bratwurst Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:43:04pm |
I actually had to teach today in Chicagoland...perhaps one of the very few educators in the region who did so. Of course, I had to walk through a snow drift nearly up to my belt buckle to get into the school!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:43:32pm |
re: #87 HoosierHoops
Hi you..Hope today finds you well...And warm
LOL!
It's LA.
We're warm!
How're you holding up?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:46:40pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
I actually had to teach today in Chicagoland...perhaps one of the very few educators in the region who did so. Of course, I had to walk through a snow drift nearly up to my belt buckle to get into the school!
Metra was still having some trouble on our line (BW and I live the same suburb), but thankfully Pace was running normally. The CTA was a little less often than normal on the Blue Line due to the cold.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:47:04pm |
re: #88 Floral Giraffe
How's Winston holding up?
6 degrees today...He wasn't frolicking outside today..
lol
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:49:37pm |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
How's Niki doing? Send me a mail.
Hope you are well.
*smooch*
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:50:21pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
I actually had to teach today in Chicagoland...perhaps one of the very few educators in the region who did so. Of course, I had to walk through a snow drift nearly up to my belt buckle to get into the school!
That's the wurst. /
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:50:37pm |
Dawn is breaking in Cairo as we speak. It's strange to be a witness to a turning point in M.E. history. Egypt, being the largest Arab country by far, sets the agenda for the rest of the Arab world. I can't even imagine what's going through the minds of the leadership of Israel right now. It's both a scary and hopeful time. The realist in me is fearful, but the idealist in me is hopeful.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:50:51pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
I actually had to teach today in Chicagoland...perhaps one of the very few educators in the region who did so. Of course, I had to walk through a snow drift nearly up to my belt buckle to get into the school!
I hope you don't work at a kindegarten then!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:51:39pm |
Listening to Simon & Garfunkle...
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The Shadow Do Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:53:16pm |
re: #95 Irenicum
Dawn is breaking in Cairo as we speak. It's strange to be a witness to a turning point in M.E. history. Egypt, being the largest Arab country by far, sets the agenda for the rest of the Arab world. I can't even imagine what's going through the minds of the leadership of Israel right now. It's both a scary and hopeful time. The realist in me is fearful, but the idealist in me is hopeful.
Mossad is working overtime
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:53:18pm |
re: #89 bratwurst
Snow drift up to your belt buckle? That's all? Pshaw! Our drifts and piles are approaching Shaq levels of height. Driving through intersection is "interesting" to say the least. It's like driving through tunnels of ice and snow.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:54:21pm |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
6 degrees today...He wasn't frolicking outside today..
lol
Here's what a friend sent me, apparently from her back yard:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 8:55:20pm |
re: #98 The Shadow Do
I'm sure they are. And they certainly should be.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:00:02pm |
Faith in science...
Dancers generate lighting
See performers who appear to generate lightning from their heads.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:01:32pm |
re: #73 Dark_Falcon
Are you dug out yet?
finally! I get to sit at the computer.
We are dug out.
Piles of snow everywhere, I wish I was 10 again. Kids had 2 days off school.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:03:57pm |
What happened in Egypt today. I had to work and don't know a thing.
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Four More Tears Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:05:05pm |
re: #104 ggt
What happened in Egypt today. I had to work and don't know a thing.
Something of a media blackout, so neither does anyone else really...
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:09:29pm |
With all the unrest in the middle east I have been playing my "cheer me up" playlist. It just hit the high point with:
Cheery. I'm feeling better already. /
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:10:21pm |
re: #104 ggt
What happened in Egypt today. I had to work and don't know a thing.
Lots of take downs of reporters and other media. Lost of propaganda and BS from the Mubarak gov't ---implying the cause of the protest is due to foreign influence and media from 'brotherly nations'.
Lots of groups of thugs walking around and beating people. Police vehicle and a firetruck ran over people. Minor skirmishes at the edges of the square. May have been a few people killed by sniper fire. Mostly though protester built up barricades and defended the square. Night was relatively calm in comparison to last night.
Now it's morning and no one knows what's going to happen. Massive protest planned today.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:10:35pm |
Anybody familiar with the Jewish World Review? A friend has posted a Muslim Brotherhood article they have, and I'm not familiar with them.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:11:32pm |
re: #104 ggt
Here's a rundown by the NYT:
The Egyptian government on Thursday broadened its crackdown on a 10-day uprising that has shaken its rule, arresting journalists and human rights advocates across an edgy city, while offering more concessions in a bid to win support from a population growing frustrated with a devastated economy and scenes of chaos in the streets.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:12:04pm |
re: #90 Floral Giraffe
LOL!
It's LA.
We're warm!
How're you holding up?
We are cold girl! Cold Santa Ana! Came home to all plants tipped over, umbrellas on deck ripped.
And the ions in the air (always our Santa Ana excuse) making everything crazy.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:12:21pm |
re: #107 Jadespring
Lots of take downs of reporters and other media. Lost of propaganda and BS from the Mubarak gov't ---implying the cause of the protest is due to foreign influence and media from 'brotherly nations'.
Lots of groups of thugs walking around and beating people. Police vehicle and a firetruck ran over people. Minor skirmishes at the edges of the square. May have been a few people killed by sniper fire. Mostly though protester built up barricades and defended the square. Night was relatively calm in comparison to last night.Now it's morning and no one knows what's going to happen. Massive protest planned today.
Any international support Mubarak had is gone. WTF is he thinking?
I know, he is old and won't be budged.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:13:13pm |
Here's a good round up as well.
[Link: www.enduringamerica.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:16:35pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
Now THERE's a snail killer theme!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:17:04pm |
For those who might have a little time on their hands tonight...
Louis Theroux: The Ultra Zionists - Part 1
Stick with it. Take it with a grain of salt and it actually quite illuminating.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:17:45pm |
re: #111 ggt
Any international support Mubarak had is gone. WTF is he thinking?
I know, he is old and won't be budged.
The media crackdown has been pretty incredible. They can't openly broadcast. So no live feeds right now. Though many are vowing to cover it today. Some reporters are still managing to get out and tweet and phone in what they see though.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:17:47pm |
Rachel Maddow reviews harassment of journalists covering Egypt:
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:18:08pm |
re: #112 Jadespring
Here's a good round up as well.
[Link: www.enduringamerica.com...]
Senator Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the panel that controls foreign aid, said he’s prepared to stop all U.S. financial assistance to Egypt -- which topped $1.5 billion last year -- unless Mubarak steps aside immediately and allows a transitional government to take over.
“If he doesn’t leave, there will not be foreign aid; I mean, it’s as simple as that,” Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, told Bloomberg Television in an interview yesterday. U.S. money “will not go to the Mubarak administration,” Leahy said, adding, “that’s a pipeline that can easily be turned off.”
from your link.
WOW! Pretty strong words.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:18:19pm |
re: #108 Irenicum
Gee, what a "surprise." It's far right crap. Why am I not surprised considering who posted it. Grr aargh. Not to discount the Muslim Brotherhood problem and threat. It's absolutely real. But it's getting so that I have to fact check everything from everybody.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:18:52pm |
re: #107 Jadespring
Was it Floral who said, Democracy is not an easy thing to achieve, but it is something to strive for and support. I'm pretty much emotionally involved with the Egyptian protesters. It's just something that hits my core. I don't think I'm alone in the observers.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:22:08pm |
Comedy writer Haisam Abu-Samra:
Ten days ago, I was re-tweeting anti-Mubarak sentiments and signing up for his tongue-in-cheek Farewell Party event on Facebook. I had no idea that the ideas expressed on these sites would ignite a whole country and lead all hell to break loose. Make no mistake: Facebook and Twitter helped connect thousands of frustrated Egyptians and united them under the single goal of overthrowing the regime.
[Link: www.motherboard.tv...]
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:22:26pm |
re: #119 Stanley Sea
Was it Floral who said, Democracy is not an easy thing to achieve, but it is something to strive for and support. I'm pretty much emotionally involved with the Egyptian protesters. It's just something that hits my core. I don't think I'm alone in the observers.
You're not alone.
I need to go to bed and I don't want too. Today I think is make or break day. Hoping for good but there are a lot of signs that it could be really really bad.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:23:06pm |
re: #114 Killgore Trout
For those who might have a little time on their hands tonight...
Louis Theroux: The Ultra Zionists - Part 1[Video]Stick with it. Take it with a grain of salt and it actually quite illuminating.
I wish I had the time to learn everything I want to learn.
Can we fast-forward to a future in which we can just download a zip file into our brains?
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:23:38pm |
re: #122 Jadespring
You're not alone.
I need to go to bed and I don't want too. Today I think is make or break day. Hoping for good but there are a lot of signs that it could be really really bad.
am remaining postitive until proven otherwise.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:27:14pm |
from jadespring's link:
1627 GMT: There are unconfirmed reports that at least one more anti-regime protester has been killed around Tahrir. Government supporters and thugs have held high ground and have snipers that are shooting at people, some eye-witnesses claim.
Reports confirm that these snipers have killed at least 3 people before this - all from gunshot wounds to the head.
1625 GMT: An Egyptian anti-regime activist who tweets under @SandMonkey was earlier arrested, but has managed to somehow break free.
Snipers? double-plus bad!
Sandmonkey?
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:28:50pm |
Tahrir protesters' chant:
‘Alaa Mubarak, who demands royalties on every business he commissions, And they say he repented but he’s stuffing his face with meat (kebab), Guess It’s his daddy’s money. Money does what it wants, While people became dirty poor, No to Mubarak No to Sulieman, To hell with tyranny. We want a civil state, Not for sect or religious ideology (x2), Not for sects or for bandits!’”[Link: streamarchive.us...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:29:59pm |
OK, USA folks, Are you feeling blessed tonight?
You / we should be.
Living in a genuine democracy where freedom of speech is a protected right.
Even if you're wrong!
I'm giving my thanks tonight.
Praying for the folks in Egypt, but gratefull for my blessings at home.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:30:11pm |
re: #126 ggt
from jadespring's link:
Snipers? double-plus bad!
Sandmonkey?
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:30:18pm |
re: #126 ggt
from jadespring's link:
Snipers? double-plus bad!
Sandmonkey?
google Sandmonkey. He was interviewed today, and wrote an epic blog post. You'll find it.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:33:01pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:35:11pm |
re: #128 Floral Giraffe
OK, USA folks, Are you feeling blessed tonight?
You / we should be.
Living in a genuine democracy where freedom of speech is a protected right.
Even if you're wrong!
I'm giving my thanks tonight.
Praying for the folks in Egypt, but gratefull for my blessings at home.
True that, Floral. True that.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:35:56pm |
I guess it is difficult for me, as an American and as someone who uses the internet, to understand how a government of such a country as Egypt thinks they can control information in 2011.
Egypt is not North Korea or Cuba, they have been part of the international community from the beginning of the international community.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:36:54pm |
Picture from Tahrir right now.
[Link: yfrog.com...]
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:37:42pm |
re: #128 Floral Giraffe
OK, USA folks, Are you feeling blessed tonight?
You / we should be.
Living in a genuine democracy where freedom of speech is a protected right.
Even if you're wrong!
I'm giving my thanks tonight.
Praying for the folks in Egypt, but gratefull for my blessings at home.
This is when I remember that my bitches, while somewhat legit, are absolutely nothing compared to others on planet earth.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:39:13pm |
re: #135 Jadespring
To add. I think this came from a request made through twitter for pictures because the state tv is not reporting it or saying there is nothing going on. People want pictures so they can show people so they will believe it's happening.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:39:56pm |
re: #136 Stanley Sea
This is when I remember that my bitches, while somewhat legit, are absolutely nothing compared to others on planet earth.
Like I tell people, I'm a white person in American, I really have nothing to complain about.
--other than the "white" part is still an issue.
But that is a rant for another night.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:40:42pm |
Do we have any idea how the people in the "provinces" are reacting? Are they getting any information other than what is on the state-sponsored media?
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:41:01pm |
re: #135 Jadespring
Picture from Tahrir right now.
[Link: yfrog.com...]
who are you following on twitter?
I'm following:
RiverDryFilm Omar Robert Hamilton
bencnn benwedeman
AliDahmash Under My Olive Tree
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
Micro-celebrity, Blogger, activist, New Media douchebag, Pain in the ass!
Unfollow
PJCrowley Philip J. Crowley
AlecJRoss Alec Ross
AJEnglish Al Jazeera English
SultanAlQassemi
ianinegypt Ian Lee
ioerror Jacob Appelbaum
sorry for the lame cut & paste
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:41:27pm |
re: #140 Stanley Sea
heh, I love Sandmonkey's description of himself. Glad I didn't edit that one.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:41:48pm |
The part of me which says we're all doomed has a very bad feeling about Egypt in the next 24-48 hours.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:42:51pm |
re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The part of me which says we're all doomed has a very bad feeling about Egypt in the next 24-48 hours.
Tell that part of you to STFU and remain positive until proven otherwise.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:44:22pm |
A summary of what we've learned in the last few hours:
• US and Egyptian officials are working on a plan for Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak to stand down immediately, and replaced by a three-man junta, according to a report in the New York Times
• Mubarak remained defiant in an interview with ABC News's Christiane Amanpour, saying: "If I resign today, there will be chaos"
• Fighting saw estimates of the death toll around Cairo's Tahrir Square rise to 13, with hundreds more injured, as protesters fortified the centre of the square
• Protesters are gearing up for an expected mass demonstration on Friday
• Attacks aimed at journalists and TV crews forced media off the streets and reduced the coverage of events in central Cairo
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:44:53pm |
re: #141 Jadespring
Another pic
[Link: yfrog.com...]
When they come back with their heads bandaged, you know it's time to go.
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Kragar Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:45:26pm |
re: #144 ggt
Tell that part of you to STFU and remain positive until proven otherwise.
Eh, if someone I'm supposed to meet is over 15 minute late, I'm thinking they're dead in a ditch somewhere.
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ProMayaLiberal Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:45:30pm |
I realize that this stuff in Egypt might go badly, but I will still say this:
GO PROTESTERS GO!
I hope Mubarak is brought down, and let's cheer and pray for them tonight and tomorrow to succeed.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:45:30pm |
Nicholas Kristof:
Amr (I’m not using some last names to reduce the risks to people I quote) was being treated for a wound from a flying rock. I asked him as politely as I could what a double-amputee in a wheelchair was doing in a pitched battle involving Molotov cocktails, clubs, machetes, bricks and straight razors.“I still have my hands,” he said firmly. “God willing, I will keep fighting.” [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:46:18pm |
re: #146 EmmmieG
Or, get serious and continue the good fight.
Changing to a democracy is an ugly battle.
I hope the "good" guys win.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:46:58pm |
re: #146 EmmmieG
When they come back with their heads bandaged, you know it's time to go.
Pretty cool that they come back with their injuries.
I'm really humbled at the perseverance of the protesters.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:47:13pm |
re: #147 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Eh, if someone I'm supposed to meet is over 15 minute late, I'm thinking they're dead in a ditch somewhere.
oh, Kragar!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:47:14pm |
re: #148 ProLifeLiberal
And pray for minimal losses, because losses, there will be.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:48:08pm |
re: #148 ProLifeLiberal
I realize that this stuff in Egypt might go badly, but I will still say this:
GO PROTESTERS GO!
I hope Mubarak is brought down, and let's cheer and pray for them tonight and tomorrow to succeed.
Without getting all metaphysical . . .
I do think that good thoughts help.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:48:12pm |
re: #150 Floral Giraffe
Or, get serious and continue the good fight.
Changing to a democracy is an ugly battle.
I hope the "good" guys win.
I do think they will.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:48:45pm |
re: #148 ProLifeLiberal
I realize that this stuff in Egypt might go badly, but I will still say this:
GO PROTESTERS GO!
I hope Mubarak is brought down, and let's cheer and pray for them tonight and tomorrow to succeed.
I'm not willing to go that far. Mubarak being brought down might well mean chaos, and that's not a good shake for us.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:49:09pm |
re: #140 Stanley Sea
I've got
monasosh
mosaaberizing
عمو حسام
3arabawy
Dan Nolan
nolanjazeera
sharifkouddous
Ivancnn
Zeinobia
markmackinnon
BloggerSeif
bencnn
sandmonkey
The first two are in the square right now.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:49:23pm |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
I'm not willing to go that far. Mubarak being brought down might well mean chaos, and that's not a good shake for us.
We have no way to stop it if that is what is to come.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:50:58pm |
OK, folks,as KT says, Namaste time for me.
Pray for the people of the Middle East, It's not "just" Egypt tonight.
I hope the voice of Democracy can spread, peacefully.
Sleep tight, dream well, and pray for peace.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:51:24pm |
re: #157 Jadespring
I've got
monasosh
mosaaberizing
عمو حسام
3arabawyDan Nolan
nolanjazeerasharifkouddous
Ivancnn
Zeinobia
markmackinnon
BloggerSeif
bencnn
sandmonkey
The first two are in the square right now.
OH THANK YOU
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:51:31pm |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
I'm not willing to go that far. Mubarak being brought down might well mean chaos, and that's not a good shake for us.
I'm not seeing immediate chaos anyway. If the administration can work-out a transition of power that makes sense, the country can keep it together until the elections.
As long as the elections go fairly, I see good things coming.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:54:54pm |
More Kristof:
The pro-democracy protesters are unarmed and have been peaceful at every step. But the pro-Mubarak thugs are arriving in buses and are armed — and they’re using their weapons.In my area of Tahrir, the thugs were armed with machetes, straight razors, clubs and stones. And they all had the same chants, the same slogans and the same hostility to journalists. They clearly had been organized and briefed. So the idea that this is some spontaneous outpouring of pro-Mubarak supporters, both in Cairo and in Alexandria, who happen to end up clashing with other side — that is preposterous.
[Link: kristof.blogs.nytimes.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:55:49pm |
re: #158 Varek Raith
We have no way to stop it if that is what is to come.
Sorry. I'm just worrying again. My tax refund is coming out lower than expected. It wasn't low enough to cause a serious problem, but it does mean more time working and less fun time for me again. And lost work time due to the blizzard means I am going to have to abort a planned vacation day later in the month, because I now can't afford to lose the selling time. Things still aren't badly off track, but they're going to be less fun than hoped for. :(
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:56:24pm |
re: #162 ggt
I'm not seeing immediate chaos anyway. If the administration can work-out a transition of power that makes sense, the country can keep it together until the elections.
As long as the elections go fairly, I see good things coming.
That's the big if. I hope that part goes well.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:56:56pm |
I was struck by part of the live-stream on the BBC last night. They had an interviews on the street with Mubarak supporters in the "elite" part of town. One may said that the UK and US were supporting this change that would put "uneducated" people in control.
AT first, I had to think about it, but I think it really shows a class division in Egypt. There seem to be a lot of "educated" people protesting. In a sense, I got the feeling that the "elites" that were interviewed were what we would consider "racist."
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:57:20pm |
re: #161 Stanley Sea
OH THANK YOU
Another one acarvin He's not in Egypt (from NPR) but he is gathering and retweeting a lot. A really good filter. You could probably just follow him and get an idea of what's going on. He's taking a nap right now though.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:57:34pm |
re: #159 Jadespring
Oh and nicholas kristof
done, done and done. Good luck for me getting any work done tomorrow.
We are with them.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:58:10pm |
re: #163 jaunte
More Kristof:
machete's again.
Have we seen any footage of people wielding machetes? I've only seen rocks.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 9:59:08pm |
re: #169 ggt
I haven't seen any, but most of the shots I've seen were pretty long-distance.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:00:27pm |
re: #164 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I'm just worrying again. My tax refund is coming out lower than expected. It wasn't low enough to cause a serious problem, but it does mean more time working and less fun time for me again. And lost work time due to the blizzard means I am going to have to abort a planned vacation day later in the month, because I now can't afford to lose the selling time. Things still aren't badly off track, but they're going to be less fun than hoped for. :(
We have such problems . . .
Sorry to hear about it tho, seriously, I know how it gnaws at a person. We are a sales family as well.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:00:31pm |
re: #166 ggt
You bring up some good class and culture issues that exist in every country, Egypt included. Every society is filled with folks operating with assumptions about other parts of their own culture. Egypt is as complex as any other country.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:01:48pm |
re: #172 Irenicum
You bring up some good class and culture issues that exist in every country, Egypt included. Every society is filled with folks operating with assumptions about other parts of their own culture. Egypt is as complex as any other country.
I'd like to think we are hyper-aware of tho.
It's not often discussed in in the ME context. I've read some about it.
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justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:04:08pm |
Hi guys! How long are you going to be checking tweets? I'm sanding a night stand getting ready to paint. I'm not going anywhere. The pipes keep breaking at the restaurant and it caused the ceiling to fall in. Husband has a permanent headache and a mood to match. I wonder what else I can paint?
Right now CNN is on live, they say their at an undisclosed location.
Keep posting your tweets, your doing a great job.
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:04:20pm |
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
Ok, it' me and I have access to my Twitter account again. about damn time too! Thank you Twitter ! #jan25
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jaunte Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:05:16pm |
Kristof:
Here's Nawal el-Saddawi, famed women's leader.
She's 80-but told me she will sleep in #Tahrir.
[Link: twitpic.com...]
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:05:24pm |
re: #174 justaminute
Hi guys! How long are you going to be checking tweets? I'm sanding a night stand getting ready to paint. I'm not going anywhere. The pipes keep breaking at the restaurant and it caused the ceiling to fall in. Husband has a permanent headache and a mood to match. I wonder what else I can paint?
Right now CNN is on live, they say their at an undisclosed location.
Keep posting your tweets, your doing a great job.
Holy shit. Sorry about the restaurant. And your husband's gloom.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:05:44pm |
re: #114 Killgore Trout
I watched it KT. It was good. But it did seem to only present one side of the issue. The ultra Zionist crowd is quite honestly crazy, and that needs to be addressed. But the report does paint the picture in such a way that, at least to me, presents a false and misleading dichotomy. There are many Israelis how do not side with the ultras, even though the security situation is pretty terrible no matter what.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:05:46pm |
Think Assange is holding any leaks from Egypt?
Now, would be a good time get himself back on the front page. He has to be feeling a bit left out.
gah!
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:05:47pm |
Sandmonkey is back on twitter. He couldn't get on before.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:06:42pm |
re: #174 justaminute
Husband has a permanent headache and a mood to match.
I feel your pain!
(((((((((justaminute))))))))
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:08:48pm |
re: #166 ggt
Any time you call one group "elite" you run into that kind of thinking. But worrying that the "uneducated" might run your country into the ground is not groundless racism in and of itself. Don't we worry about illiterate and ingorant people destroying the Texas School Board, building an Ark themed amusement park with tax subsidies, stopping stem cell research, etc. etc.? Right now, most of Egypt is probably afraid of what tomorrow will bring. (Still, I don't think the protesters are all that "uneducated". The mobs always are. But the public face so far seems pretty literate.)
| 185 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:13:14pm |
Overhead pic of the square right now.
[Link: yfrog.com...]
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:13:34pm |
re: #184 Escaped Hillbilly
Any time you call one group "elite" you run into that kind of thinking. But worrying that the "uneducated" might run your country into the ground is not groundless racism in and of itself. Don't we worry about illiterate and ingorant people destroying the Texas School Board, building an Ark themed amusement park with tax subsidies, stopping stem cell research, etc. etc.? Right now, most of Egypt is probably afraid of what tomorrow will bring. (Still, I don't think the protesters are all that "uneducated". The mobs always are. But the public face so far seems pretty literate.)
Well, we don't worry about the illiterate, just the stupid. There is a difference. We also don't deny them their rights under the law or justify imprisoning them without the proper protocols.
I used the word "elite" because that is how these men were described by the journalist. I think they are "elite" because they are on the side of the the power base. They are shittin' scared they might lose their edge and have to compete with rest of the populace on an equal footing.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:15:28pm |
re: #187 ggt
Well, we don't worry about the illiterate, just the stupid. There is a difference. We also don't deny them their rights under the law or justify imprisoning them without the proper protocols.
I used the word "elite" because that is how these men were described by the journalist. I think they are "elite" because they are on the side of the the power base. They are shittin' scared they might lose their edge and have to compete with rest of the populace on an equal footing.
Or worry their daughter might want to marry one of them. . . .
| 189 |
Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:16:06pm |
Did anyone hear the story on NPR today of the DC gal who was on a birthday trip to Cairo (she works for the ACLU) and was caught up?
| 190 |
justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:16:34pm |
re: #185 Jadespring
I can't help but think of that pic. It really look that people are walking around in a circle. That's what they do in Mecca and pray to God. I really think that is what they are doing,
| 191 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:16:43pm |
Okay. I'm going to go to bed. Can't stay up forever. Here's hoping to wake up to good or at least okay news from Egypt.
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Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:17:36pm |
re: #190 justaminute
I can't help but think of that pic. It really look that people are walking around in a circle. That's what they do in Mecca and pray to God. I really think that is what they are doing,
I'll take praying over fighting!
| 193 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:18:11pm |
re: #190 justaminute
I can't help but think of that pic. It really look that people are walking around in a circle. That's what they do in Mecca and pray to God. I really think that is what they are doing,
I don't think so. If you look everyone isn't facing the same direction and some people look like theyre just standing and talking.
| 194 |
Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:18:29pm |
re: #189 Stanley Sea
I hope she's OK. A friend of mine made it out just in time.
| 195 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:19:38pm |
What time does the whole "Friday Prayers" thing begin?
| 196 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:20:39pm |
re: #195 ggt
What time does the whole "Friday Prayers" thing begin?
3 am EST. So 8 am I think. The first prayers already happened.
| 197 |
justaminute Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:20:59pm |
re: #195 ggt
What time does the whole "Friday Prayers" thing begin?
From what I can figure out 2AM ET
| 198 |
Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:21:38pm |
re: #195 ggt
Depends on which prayer you're talking about. The one I think they're most concerned about is the lunch time prayer. Only an hour or so away...
| 199 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:22:00pm |
| 200 |
Holidays are Family Fun Time Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:22:43pm |
going upstairs and then to bed. -------------->
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Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:22:58pm |
re: #194 Irenicum
I hope she's OK. A friend of mine made it out just in time.
She was in London. Made it out. She said a huge group came towards their bus in Cairo, but once they saw the majority of the bus was African American they gave them peace signs, and escorted them to their hotel, through barricades etc. Verry interesting.
If you want, find it on NPR website & listen.
NPR: The only benefit of my extreme driving on the So Cal freeway hell.
| 202 |
Stanghazi Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:23:40pm |
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
There is a new wave of macarthyism in Egypt: anyone can be a spy now, and all foreigners on the street are considerd as such #jan25
| 203 |
Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:24:54pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
Fascinating. It's amazing what cultural images resonate.
| 204 |
Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:25:42pm |
re: #201 Stanley Sea
It's like they sensed a fellow "underdog" theme and immediately saw common cause.
| 205 |
Jadespring Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:26:53pm |
mosaaberizing Mosa'ab Elshamy
The army has taken over October bridge and issued a warning they'll shoot if thugs come back. Finally. #Jan25
| 207 |
Irenicum Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:29:33pm |
re: #206 Jadespring
Nite Jade. And to the other night owl lizards.
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Escaped Hillbilly Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:30:18pm |
re: #187 ggt
Of course they are. They are elites. That's how they see themselves. Are you assuming what I'm saying is that it's okay to use fear as an excuse to hold anyone down, falsely inprison them, or deny them rights? No. What I am saying is, those people are SCARED. A lot of folks there are right now. When people get scared, things get worse. A lot of violent racism is based in fear. We in this country are actually witnessing a similar if less extreme version. I actually think we do fear uneducated people, not just stupid people. I do. Not that by "educated" I mean possessing a college degree. But the level of ignorance passing itself off as "common wisdom" or "street smarts" is astounding and not good for the country as a whole. Putting uneducated people at the reins of a modern country could actually bring it down. So fear is to be expected and if not addressed and allayed, will make the situation worse.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 3, 2011 10:52:29pm |
re: #171 ggt
We have such problems . . .
Sorry to hear about it tho, seriously, I know how it gnaws at a person. We are a sales family as well.
It ain't the sales. My sales netted me more money than expected. But there is still a gap. Luckily, I know how I can fill it. I'll get through this month without a problem. And that is a Good Thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 3, 2011 11:14:12pm |
re: #118 Irenicum
Gee, what a "surprise." It's far right crap. Why am I not surprised considering who posted it. Grr aargh. Not to discount the Muslim Brotherhood problem and threat. It's absolutely real. But it's getting so that I have to fact check everything from everybody.
Uh, yeah. Sorry. Missed that. JWR is not much in the journalistic race of life.
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