Crassest Right Wing Blogger of the Day: Jim ‘Dim’ Hoft

Pro-Mubarak wingnut mocks Egyptian protesters
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DERPThere are quite a few candidates for crassest wingnut blog post today, but Jim “Dim” Hoft (aka “Gateway Pundit”) tops the list again. Hoft has been consistently pro-Mubarak since the Egyptian protests began (because Mubarak knows how to handle uppity Muslims), and his comment today is remarkably bigoted, mean-spirited, and just plain dense on every level.

“Day of Departure” Protests Fail… Mubarak Says He Will Stay On

So much for the “day of Departure” protests.

Mubarak is staying on a while longer.

They should have prayed harder.

[Photo of demonstrators praying.]

President Mubarak decided he will stay in office for a while longer.

The LA Times reported:

Egypt’s Prime Minister Ahmed Shafik said he doesn’t expect President Hosni Mubarak to accept a proposal to hand over authority to Vice President Omar Suleiman.

Shafik’s remarks were broadcast Friday by Al Arabiya television.

Surely Barack Obama can talk some sense into the old dictator…

Especially after the way he treated the old codger this past week.

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309 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:25:12pm

The Right -Wing talking points have settled in making Mubarak out to be the last bastion against an Islamic Terror state run by the Muslim brotherhood.

2 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:27:02pm

I didn't know that there's a schedule to the revolution/uprising and that Hoft's keeping score.

It would have been nice if Mubarak did heed the protesters and left today, but that was always a long shot. The situation in Egypt is far from over.

3 freetoken  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:27:49pm

Speaking of the crass right wing, one note before I go exercise:

After Israel, it's Iowa for Mike Huckabee

Mike Huckabee will attend the Iowa Family Policy Center’s “Presidential Lecture Series” in June — a possible sign he is leanin towards a run.

The event will come after the first round of official debates in May – which Huckabee says he will not participate in – and is expected to host many of the leading Republican contenders.

Tim Pawlenty starts off the series with a visit to Iowa on Monday. Other invited Republicans include Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum.

Bob Vander Plaats, the groups CEO and Huckabee’s Iowa state chair in 2008, announced the former governor’s commitment Friday to a group of activists in Oskaloosa, Iowa, according to the Iowa Republican.

[...]

Vander Plaats and Huckabee go way back, Vander Plaats having been Huck's IA campaign guy.

Vander Plaats has a new group, The Family Leader, which is part/parent of the Iowa Family Policy Center.

As NationalJournal noted today:
The Top Operatives in Iowa and New Hampshire

Here are the Top 5 activists, party officials and political operatives in New Hampshire and Iowa -- the folks presidential candidates need to attract in order to build a winning campaign. [...]

Iowa:

Bob Vander Plaats: Vander Plaats is emerging as the conservative voice to watch in Iowa after challenging Gov. Terry Branstad (R) from the right. Candidates are planning to stop by his organization's forum in April.

Gentry Collins: Romney's 2008 Iowa campaign manager is one of the most sought-after names in Republican circles. Whichever candidate signs Collins will have scored a big win.

Kim Lehman: The Republican National Committeewoman is also one of the top social conservative voices in the state. She was president, until last year, of Iowa Right to Life.

Chuck Larson: Larson, a former top advisor to McCain, former state GOP chairman and a veteran of state politics, is advising Tim Pawlenty in 2012.

Eric Woolson: Woolson stunned the national political establishment by winning the 2008 caucuses for Mike Huckabee. He'll have his pick of campaigns in 2012.

Vander Plaats is rabidly anti-gay, led the campaign to oust the IA supreme court justices who ruled for gay marriages, and so on. He appears to be the lead driver now in setting the direction for the IA caucuses. The IFPC is actively pursuing to change IA politics to reflect their religious beliefs, and are not hiding it. In other words, they are quite clear in their intention of making their version of Christianity the norm for Iowa governance.

I'm sure Jim Hoft would approve of them.

4 Sionainn  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:28:59pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

The Right -Wing talking points have settled in making Mubarak out to be the last bastion against an Islamic Terror state run by the Muslim brotherhood.

Yes, I've been noticing that on other boards with the far right. Also, it's all Obama's fault because he said "change now" and that means he is supporting/allowing the MB to step in.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:29:58pm

And the fact that they all knelt down and prayed is proof that they are Islamist zombies bent on spreading the Caliphate.

6 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:32:06pm

re: #5 ralphieboy

And the fact that they all knelt down and prayed is proof that they are Islamist zombies bent on spreading the Caliphate.

Or the the old lefty nuns from SOA Watch. If Code Pink can get to Cairo, why can't they?

7 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:32:08pm

re: #5 ralphieboy

And the fact that they all knelt down and prayed is proof that they are Islamist zombies bent on spreading the Caliphate.

"Terrorists pray in public like this"

NOT my comment. I read that in a comment section of some news article about the protests.

8 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:32:13pm

Opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei told CNN he's willing to run for president "if people want" him to and if Egypt becomes a "democracy based on social justice."

9 KingKenrod  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:32:41pm

"They should have prayed harder" is a 10 on the dickish scale.

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:34:10pm

It is already taken as a given that if the protesters win out, Egypt in 2011 will be a repeat of Iran in 1979.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:35:22pm

re: #7 Jadespring

"Terrorists pray in public like this"

NOT my comment. I read that in a comment section of some news article about the protests.

If they do then every single televangelist is a freaking terrorist and so are those attending those "churches".

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:35:56pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Opposition figure Mohamed ElBaradei told CNN he's willing to run for president "if people want" him to and if Egypt becomes a "democracy based on social justice."

uh-oh there's that social justice thing again, someone call Glen Beck!

//

13 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:36:16pm

re: #10 ralphieboy

It's a possibility, but by no means a certainty. Egyptians can see what the Islamic Revolution in Iran wrought - and it isn't all that great for the Iranian people. They can also see that the mullahs in Iran squashed protests last year over lack of representation, so they may shy away from setting up similar institutions to replace Mubarak.

14 Sionainn  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:37:31pm

re: #12 Dreggas

uh-oh there's that social justice thing again, someone call Glen Beck!

//

It makes complete sense now why Beck has been freaking out.

15 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:37:56pm

re: #11 Dreggas

If they do then every single televangelist is a freaking terrorist and so are those attending those "churches".

Yep.

16 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:38:45pm

Well, there wasn't an internet, cell phones, twitter, etc in 1979. There was just newspapers and TV stations, all controlled by the state.

This situation is radically different from Iran circa 1979.

17 Kragar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:39:28pm

“Day of Departure” Protests Fail…

Youtube Video
18 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:39:34pm

CNN is reporting that their teams have been warned not to show live video of Tahrir Square. The crackdown on foreign media in Cairo continues.

19 Kronocide  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:41:05pm

re: #9 KingKenrod

"They should have prayed harder" is a 10 on the dickish scale.

I think Hoft was ridiculing Muslims for being Muslim.

It's alright to diss people of faith for their faith as long as it's an unapproved faith.

20 Kragar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:42:10pm

re: #19 BigPapa

I think Hoft was ridiculing Muslims for being Muslim.

It's alright to diss people of faith for their faith as long as it's an unapproved faith.

"HAHA, They kneel, then stand, then bend, then kneel again. What lame asses!"

21 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:43:25pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

The Right -Wing talking points have settled in making Mubarak out to be the last bastion against an Islamic Terror state run by the Muslim brotherhood.

It could turn out that way. I don't think it will. I hope it won't. But history has a way of taking wrong turns, and an Egyptian Taliban just might come out on top.

Our own elections will ride in part on how this turns out, and people are placing their bets. It's a sensible tactic, if you're a potential RW candidate, to forecast disaster. The logic is this: If disaster materializes, you look prescient and Obama, already weakened by the fact of the disaster, looks worse because you warned him. If it doesn't, well, you look like a nervous Nellie, Obama cruises to a win, and you can only muse that it's tough to beat an incumbent and your luck didn't hold.

There's another possible explanation: you're not just blowing smoke. At least, not in your own mind you aren't. You've thought about it and you think you see where he's going wrong. And so you speak up. That's what we have "the loyal opposition" for.

22 Boyo  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:43:50pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"HAHA, They kneel, then stand, then bend, then kneel again. What lame asses!"

"five times a day no less!"

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:44:47pm

re: #13 lawhawk

It is taken as a given by the right that Obama, by "failing to support our ally Mubarak" and by riling up the masses with his Cairo speech, is sowing the seeds for the spread of the Caliphate...

The MB are a cause for some concern, but they are already being made out to be the Revolutionary Guards of Egypt.

24 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:45:18pm

Here's what I'm seeing now, coming over the the wires. The Mubarak regime has changed it's tactics. The blunt force tactic blew up in their faces and won't work right now. Now they're moving on to a concerted propaganda tactic. Yes they're started talking about the protests on State run tv but according to people posting what they're saying it's very much about painting the protesters as colluders and a threat. Sometimes bluntly and sometimes more subtly, everything from poor misguided youth to collaborators with outside forces (Jews and others) There was a call in show on one station today where the people calling were supposedly protesters. Some of the actual protesters were freaking out at what was being said. Lies, lies and more lies was how they put it. Now there's been a lot of talk about how on earth they're going to combat this propaganda campaign which long term is just as dangerous and people with clubs. That digital may not be enough because the people getting the State misinformation aren't necessarily digitally connected.

25 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:46:23pm

re: #16 Fozzie Bear

Well, there wasn't an internet, cell phones, twitter, etc in 1979. There was just newspapers and TV stations, all controlled by the state.

This situation is radically different from Iran circa 1979.

Maybe so. Maybe not. The literacy rate in Egypt is around 60%. That leaves a lot of folk who aren't much into the internet and twitter. The Iranian regime mobilized a street army, sort of like the early Nazi brownshirts, drawn from a similar demographic. And Iran, then, was better educated than Egypt is now.

Maybe the differences are key and the similarities are superficial. There is, after all, no Khomeini on the scene this time. We'll see, I guess.

26 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:48:00pm

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"HAHA, They kneel, then stand, then bend, then kneel again. What lame asses!"

Dude wouldn't make it through a High Mass.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:48:02pm

An analysis I heard on German radio today is that Mubarak actually did succeed in touch touching the hearts of his countrymen (and women) by saying that he wanted to "die on Egyptian soil", and that the people are starting to grow willing to take him at his work that he will see to a transition of government and step down.

In that sense, his tactics might be working.

28 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:49:31pm

re: #25 lostlakehiker

The wingnuts are going to stress the similarities to Iran in 1979.

And remember, Egypt is not an oil-exporting country. Asinde from shutting down the Suez canal, it has little leverage, and it is highly dependent on foreign aid and foreign tourism.

29 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:56:05pm

re: #21 lostlakehiker

It could turn out that way. I don't think it will. I hope it won't. But history has a way of taking wrong turns, and an Egyptian Taliban just might come out on top.

Our own elections will ride in part on how this turns out, and people are placing their bets. It's a sensible tactic, if you're a potential RW candidate, to forecast disaster. The logic is this: If disaster materializes, you look prescient and Obama, already weakened by the fact of the disaster, looks worse because you warned him. If it doesn't, well, you look like a nervous Nellie, Obama cruises to a win, and you can only muse that it's tough to beat an incumbent and your luck didn't hold.

There's another possible explanation: you're not just blowing smoke. At least, not in your own mind you aren't. You've thought about it and you think you see where he's going wrong. And so you speak up. That's what we have "the loyal opposition" for.

I'm not sure most Americans even care that much about riots in a country they almost never pay attention to. Obama is unlikely to get a lot of credit or blame since there's really little he can do to quell a popular uprising in Egypt, and, again, most Americans don't care...no US troops on the ground means this is basically an abstraction, a video diversion. Especially given the fact that Af-Pak is still the number one foreign policy concern, and more importantly, the economy is by far the number one overall policy concern.

A year ago people were making the same predictions regarding Iran and the election Ahmadinejad almost certainly stole: that it would somehow impact Obama and his reelection chances. As a major 2012 factor, that passed and so will this.

30 S'latch  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:56:37pm

"Freedom. It's for me. Not for thee." Jim Derp.

31 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:57:40pm

Speaking of right wing bloggers acting like dicks:

How To Get Someone With Friends In Egypt To Lose His Temper

32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:58:38pm

re: #30 Lawrence Schmerel

"Freedom. It's for me. Not for thee." Jim Derp.

They're not exceptional Americans, so of course they don't deserve freedom until they've learned a lesson or two that can only be dealt out with a Mobile Oppression Palace.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 1:59:17pm

Yes, but even Rush backed down from his "I have no sympathy" comments when Fox News reporters got attacked as well...

34 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:00:29pm

re: #7 Jadespring

"Terrorists pray in public like this"

NOT my comment. I read that in a comment section of some news article about the protests.

But when all those protesters were praying in public during the Schiavo fiasco, I'm sure that person thought it was okay. =P

35 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:01:40pm

re: #34 Lidane

But when all those protesters were praying in public during the Schiavo fiasco, I'm sure that person thought it was okay. =P

"Prayer Warriors"

(translation: morons)

36 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:02:29pm

I really hope, for their sake and ours, that the Egyptian people keep in mind when forming their new government that, despite a great number of cultural, historical, and architectural wonders, Iran isn't a popular tourist destination.

37 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:02:53pm

I for one am glad the wingnuts are so upfront about their dictator-adoration.

38 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:03:12pm

re: #31 Lidane

Speaking of right wing bloggers acting like dicks:

How To Get Someone With Friends In Egypt To Lose His Temper

Those aren't good journalists of course. Since facts don't *really* matter a good journalist just has to read up on the proper idealogy, know which mouthpiece to get their list of talking points from, and then sit back and cash their checks. Don't even have to get out of the reclining office chair to do it...

///

39 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:04:51pm

re: #35 Fozzie Bear

"Prayer Warriors"

(translation: morons)

If you pull on the "prayer warrior" string long enough you will think you are becoming a conspiracy nut. The connections go a lot of places, including to the President's breakfast yesterday.

41 Kragar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:05:01pm

Semi OT: If that ass hat Assange can get nominated for a Nobel, what would it take to nominate someone who really deserves one like Sandmonkey?

42 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:05:31pm

re: #12 Dreggas
Oh dear, you're right. Looks like Francis Fox Piven has gotten to this poor guy.

43 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:06:53pm

If only these Islam Egypt people had dunked their pinkies in purple or green or some other color, and held them up in the air for all to see, I'm sure our wingnut friends would be more than happy to champion their cause.

44 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:07:56pm

re: #40 Lidane
Maybe Imus can get his old bones on a plane and try a little journalism thing in Cairo. I'm sure he'd show us all how it's done.

45 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:08:05pm

Yeesh, now Glenn Beck is ranting about "Islamic socialism."

46 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:08:21pm

If a Tomato is a fruit
Does that make ketchup a smoothie?
/
//It's Superbowl weekend..I'm just getting started

47 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:08:29pm

re: #39 Decatur Deb

If you pull on the "prayer warrior" string long enough you will think you are becoming a conspiracy nut. The connections go a lot of places, including to the President's breakfast yesterday.

It's a huge part of our culture, unfortunately. Large majorities of Americans essentially believe in magic, and that's the result. It's sad.

48 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:09:19pm

Jim Hoft is absolutely, freakishly dumb.

Here's his posting on Al Jazeera:

[Link: gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com...]

Stunner. President Obama gets his Middle East news from the anti-Semitic anti-American Aljazeera channel.

The word "antisemitic" is linked to this article:

[Link: www.theaugeanstables.com...]

Which tells us about aljazeera.com, which doesn't have any relation to the TV channel:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

49 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:09:55pm

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Semi OT: If that ass hat Assange can get nominated for a Nobel, what would it take to nominate someone who really deserves one like Sandmonkey?

Not much, apparently. Rush Limbaugh was nominated in the last go-round. I don't know what the process is though.

Here's Wiki: Nominations

Nomination forms are sent by the Nobel Committee to about 3000 individuals, usually in September the year before the prizes are awarded. These individuals are often academics working in a relevant area. For the Peace Prize, inquiries are sent to governments, members of international courts, professors and rectors, former Peace Prize laureates and current or former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee. The deadline for the return of the nomination forms is 31 January of the year of the award.[66][67] The Nobel Committee nominates about 300 potential laureates from these forms and additional names.[68] The nominees are not publicly named, nor are they told that they are being considered for the prize. All nomination records for a prize are sealed for 50 years from the awarding of the prize.[69][70]

50 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:11:10pm

re: #45 Charles

Yeesh, now Glenn Beck is ranting about "Islamic socialism."

Because everyone's a socialist except good old real American teabaggers.

He trades in buzzwords, not real analysis. And his presentation of history is like a comic book for the retarded.

52 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:12:20pm

re: #50 palomino

Because everyone's a socialist except good old real American teabaggers.

He trades in buzzwords, not real analysis. And his presentation of history is like a comic book for the retarded.

Unfair. Comic books for the retarded at least provide facts, just in a real basic way. Beck's presentation of history doesn't even rate that high. =P

53 bratwurst  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:13:11pm

re: #45 Charles

Yeesh, now Glenn Beck is ranting about "Islamic socialism."

Mentioned both Code Pink and Bill Ayers within the first 12 minutes.

54 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:13:45pm

re: #53 bratwurst

Mentioned both Code Pink and Bill Ayers within the first 12 minutes.

Because people in Egypt give a fuck about Code Pink and Bill Ayers. LMAO.

55 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:14:14pm

re: #50 palomino The wingnuts about-face on the virtues and necessity of "democracy" is giving me whiplash. Now, apparently, a mass of people wanting, among other things, open elections, is really just a secret clamor for soshulism.

Also, too, do we happen to know what religion Mubarak claims as his own? Isn't he actually, you know, a Muslim? I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

56 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:14:22pm

re: #54 Lidane

Because people in Egypt give a fuck about Code Pink and Bill Ayers. LMAO.

If the conversation isn't about us, then it's about the people conspiring to not make it about us.

57 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:15:54pm

re: #47 Fozzie Bear

It's a huge part of our culture, unfortunately. Large majorities of Americans essentially believe in magic, and that's the result. It's sad.

No, "prayer warrior" is a rather narrow modern theme. I comes out of some 1950s era revitalistic movement, sometimes heresies out of the Assemblies of God. Sarah P, Rep. Bachmann and the former FL Sec of State, Harris, are players. C Street is all about it. This crap makes me feel like a Bircher commie-hunter, but it's out there.

58 Kragar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:16:32pm

re: #45 Charles

Yeesh, now Glenn Beck is ranting about "Islamic socialism."

The Islamists and the Socialist have been fighting each other for decades, so it makes perfect sense they would ally with each other.

WHAT?

59 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:18:49pm

Shit. Looks like some of people I've been following have been arrested. Getting nabbed after they left the square.

60 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:19:16pm

Wrote a quick page on that, just for fun.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

61 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:21:41pm

code pink

you'd think that there would be some statute of limitations on how absurd beck's accusations can become

62 researchok  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:24:43pm

re: #60 Sergey Romanov

Wrote a quick page on that, just for fun.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

The AJ.com guy is in a class of his own.

Over the years, he's toned down his drivel. The dripping antisemitism used to be worse, la Radio Islam.org

63 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:25:07pm

Huh. Well this is an interesting development. CNN (gawd I hate Blitzer) is teasing a story about a van that was driven into a crowd of protesters. Not sure if it was the one in the video that's been going around. Said the US embassy in Cairo is trying to find out if it was one of their's and if it was stolen and deliberatly driven into the crowd.

64 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:26:38pm

re: #63 Jadespring

It almost certainly the same video posted yesterday. It became "viral" over the interwebs. And agreed; Blitzer is awful. He is so lucky to have a job.

65 Sionainn  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:26:38pm

re: #61 engineer dog

code pink

you'd think that there would be some statute of limitations on how absurd beck's accusations can become

There you go, trying to silence Glenn Beck!
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66 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:28:07pm

I'm pretty sure, but didn't we invade Iraq for the express purpose of spreading democracy among Muslims (aside from the non-existent WMD)? Do the wingnuts remember that? But Muslims wanting democracy in another country is supposed to be threatening now? I'll admit, I can't keep up here.

67 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:28:45pm

Retweet from Dave Weigel, check out Beck

2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»
daveweigel

RT @bradplumer: Ten points for Gryffindor. RT @SimonMaloy: This just happened. #GlennBeck [Link: twitpic.com...]

68 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:29:51pm

re: #66 Bulworth

I'm pretty sure, but didn't we invade Iraq for the express purpose of spreading democracy among Muslims (aside from the non-existent WMD)? Do the wingnuts remember that? But Muslims wanting democracy in another country is supposed to be threatening now? I'll admit, I can't keep up here.

Believing that we invaded Iraq purely to spread democracy is almost as bad as believing that "they hate us for our freedoms."

69 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:30:28pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Retweet from Dave Weigel, check out Beck

2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»
daveweigel

RT @bradplumer: Ten points for Gryffindor. RT @SimonMaloy: This just happened. #GlennBeck [Link: twitpic.com...]

Uh....okeee...

WTF?

70 justaminute  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:30:49pm

My husband said something yesterday that gave me pause. He said that one aspect of supporting dictators gives the US the ability to profit from a "brain drain" from those countries. You know what they say "everybody wants to come to the US." Maybe we make sure of it.

71 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:31:05pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Ten points FOR Gryffindor? Pfft. More like 10,000 points AGAINST Hufflepuff.

/Potter nerd

72 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:31:22pm

Not sure how many people would believe this but:

From Christiane Ammanpour's twitter:

I spoke by phone to Moslem Brotherhood leadership: says it will not field any presidential candidates. Backs a civil democratic state.

73 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:31:28pm

re: #68 Alexzander

I'm not saying I believe it. But it was one of the reasons put forward at the time by advocates of the war. But now the idea of democracy in another Muslim country is supposed to be threatening?

74 Winny Spencer  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:31:37pm

re: #68 Alexzander

Believing that we invaded Iraq purely to spread democracy is almost as bad as believing that "they hate us for our freedoms."

Or believing that Saddam was just "a bad guy".

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:32:32pm

I don't get the fascination that people have in watching Beck.

I know dumb-asses. I don't talk to them.

76 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:32:33pm

re: #72 Alexzander

Not sure how many people would believe this but:

From Christiane Ammanpour's twitter:

I have no problem believing that they said it.

Meaning it remains to be seen.

77 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:32:55pm

reagan's 100 birthday and all that's left of his legacy is a vague impression that he was somehow responsible for the demise of the USSR

78 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:33:25pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't get the fascination that people have in watching Beck.

I know dumb-asses. I don't talk to them.

Hey... thanks for the snuggie... it came... it's safe... it was a bit hungry after the trip... I fed and watered it.

79 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:33:49pm

re: #77 engineer dog
I wonder what he would think of his followers now.

80 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:33:56pm

re: #77 engineer dog

reagan's 100 birthday and all that's left of his legacy is a vague impression that he was somehow responsible for the demise of the USSR

Well, that and the myths that the GOP have built up around him since he left office, completely burying the man beneath all the bullshit.

81 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:34:13pm

**@Egyptocracy: Best sign I saw in Tahrir so far was Mubarak leave, I want to go and sleep. You have to admire Egy sense of humor

82 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:34:23pm

re: #73 Bulworth

I'm not saying I believe it. But it was one of the reasons put forward at the time by advocates of the war. But now the idea of democracy in another Muslim country is supposed to be threatening?

Yeah; they aren't able to stay consistent in their bullshit here. They might find things easier if they adopt the slogan: We Support Authoritarians as long as they Cooperate with our Geopolitical Interests (and fear real democracies because they have to power do whatever is right for themselves)

83 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:34:54pm

re: #69 Jadespring

Uh...okeee...

WTF?

Moses?

84 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:36:01pm

re: #55 Bulworth

The wingnuts about-face on the virtues and necessity of "democracy" is giving me whiplash. Now, apparently, a mass of people wanting, among other things, open elections, is really just a secret clamor for soshulism.

Also, too, do we happen to know what religion Mubarak claims as his own? Isn't he actually, you know, a Muslim? I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

I think the wingnut pundits reflexively oppose anything Obama does. There's also a fear that the new govt will be more anti-Israel, which may unfortunately be true, but what can we or Israel realistically do? Should we prop up a tyrant in the face of huge popular uprisings? That's a risky and morally questionable strategy.

On the bright side, many congressional Republicans (are basically supporting Obama on this, including McCain, McConnell and the normally irrational Jim Demint.

85 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:36:28pm

re: #82 Alexzander

Early on in the protests, some on the right were linking them to Bush's call for democracy (Yeah Democracy!!), but that meme didn't last long.

86 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:36:32pm

Where the hell is El Baradei anyway? I haven't heard anything about him for a few days.

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:38:39pm

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Warm little things. I hear they don't wash well...

88 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:38:59pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Retweet from Dave Weigel, check out Beck

2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»
daveweigel

RT @bradplumer: Ten points for Gryffindor. RT @SimonMaloy: This just happened. #GlennBeck [Link: twitpic.com...]

And teabagging fools take this man seriously, as an intellectual. PT Barnum is a much better comparison point than William F Buckley, George Will, Frum, et al.

89 webevintage  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:39:50pm

So this bastard Jim Hoft is on the side of a dictator?
Did he support Saddam Hussein?
I mean he was basically just running a secular society in the Middle East.


As long as you don't pay attention to the dead people.

90 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:40:26pm

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Warm little things. I hear they don't wash well...

You wash things?

91 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:40:31pm

One of my favorite pictures of the day so far. Kinda illustrates a lot about what is going on there right now.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

92 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:40:32pm

The wingnuts are always yearning for the days of Central American death squads, Pinochet, Milošević, Saddam Hussein, assassinations and other forms of Kissinger styled foreign policy atrocities.

93 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:40:57pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't get the fascination that people have in watching Beck.

I know dumb-asses. I don't talk to them.

movies about paranoid schizophrenics usually do pretty well at the box office

94 Charleston Chew  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:41:21pm

re: #9 KingKenrod

"They should have prayed harder" is a 10 on the dickish scale.

This guy has the social decorum of a professional wrestling villain.

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:43:01pm

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

You wash things?

I'm the total "Laundry Bitch" of my family.

96 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:43:25pm

re: #91 Jadespring

Way cool.

97 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:43:50pm

In other news my power went out just now right in the middle of working on a project. Didn't lose much but the stupid building transformer kicked out last night. Damn it all to hell.

98 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:43:50pm

re: #92 Gus 802

The wingnuts are always yearning for the days of Central American death squads, Pinochet, Milošević, Saddam Hussein, assassinations and other forms of Kissinger styled foreign policy atrocities.

Ahh, the good ole days. Life was so much easier and simpler back in those times.

The perversely ironic thing about your observation is that these wingnuts want, even lust for, the kind of political violence abroad that they would never openly support at home. Which makes you wonder what they really would like to see happen in the US.

99 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:43:51pm

I can understand the Realpolitikal point behind Hoft's support of Mubarak. I can't understand the tone.

100 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:45:34pm

re: #99 Sergey Romanov

I can understand the Realpolitikal point behind Hoft's support of Mubarak. I can't understand the tone.

I think you give him way too much credit to assume there's any "realpolitik" at work. Hoft just hates him some Muslims, that's all.

101 zora  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:46:06pm

re: #54 Lidane

Because people in Egypt give a fuck about Code Pink and Bill Ayers. LMAO.

102 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:46:49pm

re: #92 Gus 802

The wingnuts are always yearning for the days of Central American death squads, Pinochet, Milošević, Saddam Hussein, assassinations and other forms of Kissinger styled foreign policy atrocities.

Don't forget the Afghan mujahideen.

103 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:47:44pm

re: #100 Charles

I think you give him way too much credit to assume there's any "realpolitik" at work. Hoft just hates him some Muslims, that's all.


I do try to be charitable sometimes... But you're probably right.

104 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:50:43pm

re: #102 prononymous

And Shah Pahlavi, for that matter.

105 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:51:33pm

re: #98 palomino

Ahh, the good ole days. Life was so much easier and simpler back in those times.

The perversely ironic thing about your observation is that these wingnuts want, even lust for, the kind of political violence abroad that they would never openly support at home. Which makes you wonder what they really would like to see happen in the US.

A Protestant authoritarian state. AKA Dominionism, etc. Banning books; banning music; controlling human behavior (i.e. so called sexual); controling the air wave and cable. Heck, most of them wanted to arrest anyone and everyone that was opposed to the Iraq war soon after 2003. Then there's internment camps; anti-science; anti-environment; anti-everything. I can keep going.

106 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:54:30pm

Posted the link under Hoft's entry, was there for several minutes, vanished. Did it the second time.

107 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:56:59pm

re: #89 webevintage

So this bastard Jim Hoft is on the side of a dictator?
Did he support Saddam Hussein?
I mean he was basically just running a secular society in the Middle East.

As long as you don't pay attention to the dead people.

what's a dictator matter when you got a black Muslim president to overthrow? ;-)

108 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 2:58:59pm

Another idiot.

109 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:01:23pm

re: #108 Gus 802

Another idiot.

they seem to be in abundant supply

110 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:01:29pm

re: #106 Sergey Romanov

Posted the link under Hoft's entry, was there for several minutes, vanished. Did it the second time.

It may have vanished because it went to join the "Featured Pages".

Congratulations to you and your Page.

111 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:01:49pm

re: #107 WindUpBird

what's a dictator matter when you got a black Muslim president to overthrow? ;-)

The RW ploy is to bludgeon all of us into numbed silence by the sheer idiocy of their noise offensive. Not gonna work. I'm starting now to analyze a couple winnable races, then organize, donate and work more than I ever have before. if necessary, I'll move to FL with my son for a few months in 2012.
"I am done with this elephant."

112 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:02:49pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

It may have vanished because it went to join the "Featured Pages".

Congratulations to you and your Page.

Whoops, I think I misinterpreted your comment. Sorry.

113 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:04:13pm

re: #109 engineer dog

they seem to be in abundant supply

It's a regular wingnut Snookidemic. A cornucopia of dimwitted loudmouthed crazies.

114 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:05:01pm

let's see how long my comment lasts: [Link: gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com...]

115 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:05:52pm

Speaking of idiots:

GA State Rep.: There’s No Such Thing as a Rape Victim

That's right. There are no victims of rape, stalking, and family violence until the defendant has been convicted. Before that, they're just accusers.

116 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:05:57pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Whoops, I think I misinterpreted your comment. Sorry.

No prob and thanks.

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:07:49pm

re: #115 Lidane

that seems like a weirdly specific distinction that smells like it's a setup for future GOP anti-women shenanigans down the line

118 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:07:54pm

re: #51 Fozzie Bear

Fox News' Gene Koprowski Fishes For Sources To Debate Al Gore's Global Warming Argument

Sigh. It's not Al Gore's argument. The science of AGW predates Gore's birth, much less his interest in the topic. And it's not really anybody's. We don't debate Copernicus' argument that the earth goes around the sun. We don't get into whether Copernicus dressed fashionably, or spent too much on beer, or all that.

Somebody over in the Halls of the RW has been reading Alinsky.

119 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:07:57pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

let's see how long my comment lasts: [Link: gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com...]

excellent!

120 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:08:17pm

re: #115 Lidane

Speaking of idiots:

GA State Rep.: There’s No Such Thing as a Rape Victim

That's right. There are no victims of rape, stalking, and family violence until the defendant has been convicted. Before that, they're just accusers.

Unfucking believable.

121 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:08:23pm

Do these symptoms sound familiar?

Increase in energy
Disconnected thoughts
Shifts in perception of reality
Increased salivation
Disrupted speech patterns
Feelings of invulnerability
Unusual and unpredictable behavior
Disturbing hallucinations and/or delusions
Severe anxiety, paranoia
Severe dissociation, depersonalization
Severe confusion, disorganized thinking
Psychotic episodes
Physical aggression
Nausea, vomiting (in others listening to you)
Temporary amnesia

If so you might be a wingnut. Or taking PCP. I'm rating either about equally likely without further diagnostic confirmation.

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:09:28pm

Damn, I see Lateralis spoiled the March of Brookly.

/

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:10:03pm

re: #122 Sergey Romanov

Damn, I see Lateralis spoiled the March of Brookly.

/

lol

124 Ojoe  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:13:01pm

Sober assessment on Egypt from Totten.

125 prairiefire  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:18:33pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Go get 'em, Decatur.

126 Alexzander  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:20:57pm

Super unfortunate optics for USA (first the bullets/gass canisters, now this): White Van that Drove though People was owned by US

127 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:21:13pm

I'm beginning to think it's not even worth the character limit to Tweet these things to #tcot. They don't care. They don't even have an inkling of embarrassment or a desire for any introspection.

128 darthstar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:22:52pm

Multichin Derp does it again, I see. Why doesn't he get a show on Fox already?

129 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:23:45pm

re: #125 prairiefire

Go get 'em, Decatur.

Heh. Last election season I went down to the pitiful Democratic campaign HQ to volunteer for our freakn' Blue Dog. The one employee, a college kid, was out delivering lawn signs or something. I decided to come back next day, but that night BD was on the news thanking the Tea Party for their support. Mofo lost.

130 darthstar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:24:19pm

re: #114 WindUpBird

let's see how long my comment lasts: [Link: gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com...]

Well done.

131 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:25:53pm

2 Detained Reporters Saw Secret Police’s Methods Firsthand

CAIRO — We had been detained by Egyptian authorities, handed over to the country’s dreaded Mukhabarat, the secret police, and interrogated. They left us all night in a cold room, on hard orange plastic stools, under fluorescent lights.

But our discomfort paled in comparison to the dull whacks and the screams of pain by Egyptian people that broke the stillness of the night. In one instance, between the cries of suffering, an officer said in Arabic, “You are talking to journalists? You are talking badly about your country?”

A voice, also in Arabic, answered: “You are committing a sin. You are committing a sin.”

132 darthstar  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:28:49pm

Great story at dKos about the bigots at NOM getting PWNED by an online cartoonist.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

133 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:31:01pm

re: #132 darthstar

Great story at dKos about the bigots at NOM getting PWNED by an online cartoonist.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

LOLOL. Comeuppance.

134 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:34:28pm

re: #131 Jadespring

2 Detained Reporters Saw Secret Police’s Methods Firsthand

Once people begin to morally justify torture for their own nation and so called security needs they inevitably begin to justify torture for nation they see as allies or ideological equals. Hence, many would say that torture in Egypt is justified because it is done to maintain internal order and security. Much like what was done in the name of fighting terrorism in this country and what we commonly call waterboarding. Therein lies the slippery slope.

135 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:34:40pm

Fire in the hole!

136 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:35:07pm

WTF?

Boehner Denies C-SPAN's Request To Allow Its Cameras In The House

137 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:38:30pm

re: #136 Lidane

WTF?

Boehner Denies C-SPAN's Request To Allow Its Cameras In The House

Sounds like a government that wants to control hows its portrayed to its people?

/ How can I do a half sarc tag?

138 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:39:13pm

re: #136 Lidane

Interestingly, Boehner wrote C-SPAN a year ago, saying he and other House Republicans supported the network's efforts to install its own cameras. But at the time, he was referring specifically to the importance of transparency during the health care reform debate.

Just standard asinine hypocrisy.

139 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:40:31pm

Might want to read this though.

[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]

140 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:42:43pm

re: #139 Gus 802

I'm kinda split on whether the cameras would be a good idea. On the one hand, they'd up the soap opera drama of it all. On the other, more people might watch C-SPAN and pay attention to what's going on.

141 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:43:13pm

Things heating up again. Reports of thugs being back and attacking the square with molotov cocktails. Reports of heavy gunfire.

142 KingKenrod  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:43:29pm

re: #136 Lidane

WTF?

Boehner Denies C-SPAN's Request To Allow Its Cameras In The House

What - they don't want the public to see members picking their noses or flirting with the pages?

143 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:43:34pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

And Mark Levin nominated him.

Your text to link...

144 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:44:07pm

re: #137 ozbloke

1/2?
//

145 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:44:45pm

re: #144 Kid A

1/2?
//

or .5/

146 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:45:50pm

My link vanished again. Heh.

147 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:47:23pm

re: #140 Obdicut

I'm kinda split on whether the cameras would be a good idea. On the one hand, they'd up the soap opera drama of it all. On the other, more people might watch C-SPAN and pay attention to what's going on.

Yeah. Argument could go either way. But just to note Boehner is only doing what's been done for the past 30 years and that in fact Pelosi did the same thing. C-Span will continue to cover the podium.

148 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:53:46pm

re: #143 Kid A

And Mark Levin nominated him.

Your text to link...

I was wondering about that, because the Wiki article said they don't release that info for 50 years or something. And I notice it's a paid press release that you linked to. I guess Levin gave a little smooch to Limbaugh's ample posterior.

149 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:54:44pm

re: #132 darthstar

Great story at dKos about the bigots at NOM getting PWNED by an online cartoonist.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

LOL. SMBC is one of my favorites.

150 Winny Spencer  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:56:15pm

Time to round off the day with some Hardball.

Catch you later.

151 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:58:46pm

I see the anti-Wikileaks people are gladly poring over the recent and alleged reports regarding START, UK, Trident, Russia, USA, et al.

Not enough information to make an informed decision. This is being promoted by the Telegraph. The usual suspects are running with it calling Obama a traitor.

152 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:58:57pm

re: #132 darthstar

the comic is awesome! [Link: www.smbc-comics.com...]

It's totally true.

I'm going to be 75 and talking to kids about how it used to be you hooked a computer to a LAND LINE and one person could post on it at a time. :D

153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:59:37pm

re: #143 Kid A

And Mark Levin nominated him.

Your text to link...

is that sorta like Twiztid nominating ICP for a grammy

154 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:59:55pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Wow, really? All did was Google "Mark Levin nominates," and found it like that *finger snap*.

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 3:59:59pm

re: #146 Sergey Romanov

My link vanished again. Heh.

it might kill links

my snotty comment remains

156 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:00:57pm

re: #154 Kid A

Wow, really? All did was Google "Mark Levin nominates," and found it like that *finger snap*.

Howard Stern nominates Baba Booey for a Nobel Prize hahahahaha

radio is just the fucking dumbest medium, if you listen to a great deal of terrestrial radio WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!

157 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:01:40pm

re: #147 Gus 802

Yeah. I just remember him agitating for the cameras during the health care debate, so he still picks up a hypocrite award.

158 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:01:47pm

re: #146 Sergey Romanov

My link vanished again. Heh.

What are you linking to?

159 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:01:54pm

re: #153 WindUpBird

Hey, Bird. I posted over at Gateway as well. I loved your post, but I think you flew way over their heads. It's very difficult for people that drag their knuckles and can't stand erect to understand such erudition.

160 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:02:30pm

re: #124 Ojoe

Sober assessment on Egypt from Totten.

More like sober speculation.

...I do know this, though. If Egyptians are bound and determined to be ruled by Islamists, they cannot be held back forever. They might not ever get it out of their system until they see what it's actually like. They won't be dissuaded by dialogue, and they won't be dissuaded by prison. Islamism is like communism for some people. It looks good from a distance on paper, but up close and in person it's ghastly.

The citizens of Iran have learned the hardest way imaginable that Islamism is hell. When they overthrow their regime--and they will--the country will be more secular than it has ever been and the threat there will have passed. Egypt, I'm sorry to say, may require two revolutions before it matures--the first against secular military rule and the second against the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope it's not true, but if it is true there's not much Americans can do to stop it.

A couple of big "if"s, and the standard comparison to Iran. I'm probably just annoyed that he's posting at Powerline, but it seems to me Totten's writing used to be more meaty.

161 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:02:37pm

re: #157 Obdicut

Yeah. I just remember him agitating for the cameras during the health care debate, so he still picks up a hypocrite award.

Did he? That I didn't know.

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:02:52pm

re: #159 Kid A

Hey, Bird. I posted over at Gateway as well. I loved your post, but I think you flew way over their heads. It's very difficult for people that drag their knuckles and can't stand erect to understand such erudition.

i just wanted to see how long it'd take for them to delete me :D

163 tradewind  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:02:52pm

Another setback for Community Relations:
[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

164 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:03:22pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

You're still there.

165 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:04:13pm

re: #164 Kid A

You're still there.

maybe they literally didn't get it! :D

166 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:05:08pm

re: #158 reine.de.tout

What are you linking to?

I'm posting the link to my featured page in the comments section of Hoft's blog. He keeps deleting it.

167 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:05:26pm

re: #165 WindUpBird

Grunt. Grunt. Read. Scratch head.

168 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:05:57pm

re: #167 Kid A

Grunt. Grunt. Read. Scratch head.

Eat twigs. Mongo like twigs!

169 tradewind  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:06:59pm

re: #160 wrenchwench
(You might want to actually read the entire article before showing such disapproval:
That is, unless you think having a homophobic imam-in-charge would be a good thing)....

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:07:06pm

re: #167 Kid A

Grunt. Grunt. Read. Scratch head.

I keep forgetting the internet is a thing everyone uses now

All the cretins gotta go somewhere!

171 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:07:25pm

re: #168 Gus 802

I love that twit Joanne that said "DAD GUM IT! DEM EGYPTIANS ARE 96% MUSLIM! CONVERT TO JEEEEEEEZUS, AND DAD GUM IT, DAY MIGHT JUST STAND A CHANCE!"

172 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:07:27pm

re: #164 Kid A

You're still there.

Don't look now but that lunatic "jummy" showed up.

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:07:40pm

re: #172 Gus 802

Don't look now but that lunatic "jummy" showed up.

what's a jummy

174 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:07:53pm

re: #170 WindUpBird

I love that twit Joanne that said "DAD GUM IT! DEM EGYPTIANS ARE 96% MUSLIM! CONVERT TO JEEEZUS, AND DAD GUM IT, DAY MIGHT JUST STAND A CHANCE!"

175 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:08:36pm

re: #173 WindUpBird

what's a jummy

Some psycho.

176 albusteve  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:08:50pm

is this the LGF Gossip Hour?

177 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:09:02pm

re: #173 WindUpBird

I present Jummy...

charles johnson of lgf claims that there is something “remarkably bigoted” about this post.

i cant imagine what charles, whose derisive moniker for islam, “the religion of peace“, most often shortened to simply RoP, deems to be beyond the pale.

was it the crack about how they should have prayed harder? can that have disturbed the sensitivities of the man who has referred to islam as, variously, “the religion of beheadings” or the Religion of Misogyny, Religion of Mass Murder, Religion of Market Bombs, Religion of Masks and Rifles, Religion of Children with Weapons, Religion of Revenge, Religion of Suicide Car Bombs, etc.?

then he throws you for a loop and describes islam simply as a “Cult of Blood and Death”.

having never publicly reconsidered his own eliminationist hate speech, he believes he can infer bigotry in other bloggers’ posts as if it were with clean hands?

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:10:40pm

re: #175 Gus 802

what is up with the goofy formatting on that page, it's practically unreadable

oh right, crazy people don't make good web developers

179 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:11:13pm

re: #177 Kid A

he sounds autistic

180 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:11:28pm

Breaking News
Video purportedly showing #Egypt demonstrators breaking into song during Friday protest - ScarceClips [Link: bit.ly...]

Worth the click

181 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:12:11pm

Charles, a suggestion. Perhaps hostile blogs should be linked with noindex tag?

182 tradewind  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:12:57pm

re: #179 WindUpBird
Please do go on.... what, exactly, does autistic
' sound like '?
(Remember, you're talking about a realllllly big spectrum here).

183 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:15:01pm

re: #182 tradewind

Please do go on... what, exactly, does autistic
' sound like '?
(Remember, you're talking about a reallly big spectrum here).

not taking the bait, sorry :)

184 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:15:24pm

re: #177 Kid A

Personally, I find the ability to introspect, change, evolve, admit mistakes, and learn from new information/experiences an admirable trait. But I suppose these guys value hardheaded stupidity instead.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:17:03pm

re: #177 Kid A

That's the reason why I wouldn't have joined LGF back then and saw it negatively. But Charles has firmly shown with his actions that things have changed. Other righty blogs? Not so much.

186 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:17:22pm

re: #169 tradewind

(You might want to actually read the entire article before showing such disapproval:
That is, unless you think having a homophobic imam-in-charge would be a good thing)...

Usually, I make sure I know what's in the link before I ding a comment. I make an exception in your case. I sometimes ding based on your editorial remark alone, if I feel like it.

187 tradewind  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:21pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

188 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:31pm

I stumbled into a mosque here in Portland, right next door to a hydroponics "indoor gardening" store. The mosque was closed but there was a halal middle eastern market next door. Lot of cool tasty stuff for sale.

189 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:53pm

Update on that van that hit 20 to 30 protesters in Egypt:

Officials: Van stolen from U.S. Embassy may have hit Cairo protesters

Washington (CNN) -- A white diplomatic van shown plowing into anti-government protesters in Cairo might belong to the United States, officials said, adding that 20 such vehicles have been stolen in Egypt amid the unrest.

The YouTube video, dated January 28, is one of three from recent days showing drivers seemingly purposefully ramming their vehicle into demonstrators in streets that appear to be around Cairo's Tahrir Square.

The footage caused an uproar online, some of it related to the fact that the van appeared to resemble a U.S. diplomatic vehicle.

"Obviously, we've seen some of the reaction on YouTube and other forums, which is why we're trying to get out and knock this erroneous story down," U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said Friday afternoon.

[...]

"Since these vehicles were stolen, we have heard reports of their use in violent and criminal acts," the statement said, alluding to the possibility that one might be the van shown on the YouTube video. "If true, we deplore these acts and perpetrators."

The U.S. release added, "We are certain that no embassy employees or diplomats were involved."

190 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:19:59pm

hahaha

191 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:20:05pm

re: #187 tradewind

Thanks for the additional opportunity.

192 tradewind  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:20:52pm

re: #187 tradewind
(Just too good not to repeat).
Embracing willful ignorance is certainly your prerogative, ww.

193 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:20:55pm

re: #189 Gus 802

The U.S. release added, "We are certain that no embassy employees or diplomats were involved."


That's good news.

194 tradewind  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:22:06pm

re: #193 Killgore Trout
I'm wondering how we can actually be ' certain ' of anything going on over there just now.

195 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:22:08pm

Yipee! New pain. Now it's my knee. The list keeps getting longer.

196 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:22:11pm

re: #184 prononymous

Exactly! And here's an apology: I want to apologize to the world for voting for Bush four times (twice as Governor). I learned from my mistake by jumping off the GOP's sinking ship when after the Dems took over in 2006, and Bush told David Gregory of NBC two days after that that the reason he hadn't fired Rumsfeld (this is after Rumsfeld resigned/was fired), was because "David, we had an election!" I have since learned greatly from my well-intentioned but deeply-flawed votes, and with the help of independent thought and the clever and intelligent posters at LGF, have become a better man for it.

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:24:23pm

As a fat guy? I'd appreciate if y'all'd knock off of the double chin jokes.

198 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:24:49pm

re: #194 tradewind

I'm wondering how we can actually be ' certain ' of anything going on over there just now.

I'm certain that there is a pretty big protests going on. Also certain that people have died. I'm also certain that even the most basic of weapons, like rocks can do a lot of damage and hurt a lot of people.

199 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:25:22pm

Andy Carvin
RT @Arasmus: Banner (including translation) detailing 7 demands of #Jan25 revolution in #Egypt: [Link: yfrog.com...]

200 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:27:18pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Very useful.

201 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:27:24pm

re: #195 Gus 802

What happened?

202 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:27:59pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Awesome. Thanks for the link.

203 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:28:18pm

re: #192 tradewind

(Just too good not to repeat).
Embracing willful ignorance is certainly your prerogative, ww.

Youtube Video
204 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:28:55pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

NOOOOOOO!
//

205 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:29:54pm

re: #201 Sergey Romanov

What happened?

Might have twisted it while walking on ice? Don't know. I do remember waking up one morning and it seemed almost felt like it was "out of place" and it "snapped back in". Could be from walking too fast in the cold.

206 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:30:24pm

re: #196 Kid A

Exactly. Why wouldn't learning from mistakes and new information be a good thing?

I get the same thing during evolution/creationism debates and the like. They float something like "well science has been wrong in the past". To which I usually pound home the point that such is exactly the point. Science never claims to be 100% correct, quite the opposite. But it also has a built in method for determining incorrect theories and revising/replacing them. Why wouldn't I want to be part of something that is always striving to search for the truth rather then believing that I already have the whole truth?

207 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:31:25pm

Bill O'Reilly on science: Why is Earth the only planet with a moon?

As my blogmate Jim Rainey has frequently pointed out, Fox News has its own unique view of the world, where the facts rarely get in the way, most recently in the way Fox pollster Frank Luntz used a strange brand of faux science to find a panel of people unimpressed by President Obama's recent State of the Union address. But when it comes to seeing the world through the wrong end of a telescope, no one tops Bill O'Reilly, who has been the butt of a thousand jokes after confronting an atheist on his show with irrefutable evidence of the existence of God--using as his evidence the fact that the tides come in and the tides go out. I mean, O'Reilly said with great certainty, who else could possibly be controlling that?

Keep reading...

Duh-e!

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:31:39pm

re: #206 prononymous

Exactly. Why wouldn't learning from mistakes and new information be a good thing?

I get the same thing during evolution/creationism debates and the like. They float something like "well science has been wrong in the past". To which I usually pound home the point that such is exactly the point. Science never claims to be 100% correct, quite the opposite. But it also has a built in method for determining incorrect theories and revising/replacing them. Why wouldn't I want to be part of something that is always striving to search for the truth rather then believing that I already have the whole truth?


The mind reels :D

209 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:31:42pm

Check out this death by bacon Super Bowl recipe - all in photos.

[Link: gardenandgun.com...]

210 nightlight  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:32:35pm

re: #157 Obdicut

the health debate was held as informal meetings by Pelosi's request.

There is nothing different now with the cameras than what last congress did. The same cameras will be there as always. Pelosi took the health meeting as informal meetings and would not allow cameras in. That's not what this is about at all.


there's nothing hypocritical about his decision here.

211 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:33:32pm

re: #206 prononymous

Yep. I've never understood why people that are religious are so scared of science. I always felt that the two could walk hand in hand. Example, and a simple one at that: Big Bang (science) = Let there be light (Genesis). Hell, I know some really religious people that think whoever wrote Revelations was tripping on acid.

212 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:33:39pm

How do I link to pictures on my computer?

213 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:34:30pm

re: #207 Gus 802

man, i would love for Bill O'Reilly to turn into some sort of Santorum disgrace

We can refer to this phenomenon (like, for example a tornado, or a volcano, or planetary orbits, beging just dismissed out of hand as the work of a deity) as an "O'Reilly"

214 BishopX  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:35:13pm

re: #212 ProLifeLiberal

You need to post them somewhere else. Try flickr.

215 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:35:44pm

re: #211 Kid A

Some religious apologists like Craig actually use Big Bang to prove their brand of theism (their logic always has holes, but that's another issue).

216 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:35:45pm

re: #212 ProLifeLiberal

How do I link to pictures on my computer?

If no one geekier tells you the facts, I'll give you an opinion.

217 Four More Tears  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:35:46pm

re: #213 WindUpBird

man, i would love for Bill O'Reilly to turn into some sort of Santorum disgrace

We can refer to this phenomenon (like, for example a tornado, or a volcano, or planetary orbits, beging just dismissed out of hand as the work of a deity) as an "O'Reilly"

I vote for the appropriate response to be "We'll do it live!"

218 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:35:51pm

re: #211 Kid A

Yep. I've never understood why people that are religious are so scared of science. I always felt that the two could walk hand in hand. Example, and a simple one at that: Big Bang (science) = Let there be light (Genesis). Hell, I know some really religious people that think whoever wrote Revelations was tripping on acid.

They can walk together. That's why many religious people have no problem with science. Only some do. This particular 'some' is just very loud in expressing their problems with it.

219 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:35:51pm

re: #207 Gus 802

O'Reilly as an astronomy teacher = EPIC FAIL.

220 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:36:36pm

re: #210 nightlight

there's nothing hypocritical about his decision here.

Personally I don't care if it is hypocritical. It's stupid. More government transparency please.

221 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:36:40pm

re: #211 Kid A

Yep. I've never understood why people that are religious are so scared of science. I always felt that the two could walk hand in hand. Example, and a simple one at that: Big Bang (science) = Let there be light (Genesis). Hell, I know some really religious people that think whoever wrote Revelations was tripping on acid.

They often do, but these people aren't scared of science, they're scared of critical thought and scientific authority, because they see that as clashing with religious authority. Cue wingnut arguments about scientists "playing God"

Science is great when it works in their favor, they just don't want science being used to tell them they can't do something, or being used to tell them they're incorrect about something

222 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:37:02pm

re: #219 Kid A

O'Reilly as an astronomy teacher = EPIC FAIL.

Heck he was a sociologist once. Remember when he went to that restaurant in Harlem?

//

223 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:37:09pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

If no one geekier tells you the facts, I'll give you an opinion.

If he's got a webserver, it's pretty easy! :D

224 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:38:02pm

I need to clarify something I wrote. I didn't mean ALL people are that religious are afraid of science, as clearly that is not the case. I meant a certain segment. Sometimes my typing fingers move faster than my thinking brain.

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:38:36pm

Basically, there is a large hunk of america that wants religion (theirs of course) to have dominion over science

226 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:38:54pm

re: #222 Gus 802

LOL!What was that he said? Something along the lines of "Them black folks sure are civil!"?
/

227 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:39:01pm

re: #225 WindUpBird

Basically, there is a large hunk of america that wants religion (theirs of course) to have dominion over science

Yep.

Full stop.

228 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:39:34pm

re: #210 nightlight

I'm sorry, that's not true.

229 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:40:12pm

re: #226 Kid A

LOL!What was that he said? Something along the lines of "Them black folks sure are civil!"?
/

Close to it.

"Some of my listeners may not know this but black people actually use silverware!" -- Bill O'Reilly

Paraphrasing but close to it.

230 albusteve  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:40:37pm

re: #213 WindUpBird

man, i would love for Bill O'Reilly to turn into some sort of Santorum disgrace

We can refer to this phenomenon (like, for example a tornado, or a volcano, or planetary orbits, beging just dismissed out of hand as the work of a deity) as an "O'Reilly"

when people start to explain or defend religion with regard to science, all sorts of crazy shit is possible....with all the cool science, what does man need god for anyway?...or if understanding the universe resides in god alone, what's the use of science?...an endless argument full of chuckles and laughs...they can all have each other

231 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:41:01pm

re: #229 Gus 802

"And they wash their hands before they eat, too!"
//

232 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:42:20pm

re: #229 Gus 802

Close to it.

"Some of my listeners may not know this but black people actually use silverware!" -- Bill O'Reilly

Paraphrasing but close to it.

Here it is...

O'Reilly reported that he "couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship." O'Reilly added: "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' "
233 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:42:51pm

I just love O'Reilly in the video "How'd it get there?...How'd it get there?"
Uh, some really large thing ran into the earth, Bill?

234 Nightlight  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:43:09pm

re: #220 prononymous

Personally I don't care if it is hypocritical. It's stupid. More government transparency please.

It is transparent. It is still covered by the House recording studio (see below) just not cable. As always, the speaker reserves the right to take it "informal" like Pelosi did, which was so often, it WAS stupid and wrong. I doubt we'll see anything along those lines again. I watch C-SPAN all the time, and I don't think we are missing anything.

House is "best served by the current system of televised proceedings provided by the House Recording Studio

235 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:43:30pm

re: #232 Jadespring

"There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' "

Classy, Bill. Real classy.

236 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:43:51pm

re: #232 Jadespring

And more...

You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all." O'Reilly also stated: "I think black Americans are starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the [Rev. Jesse] Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture. They're just trying to figure it out. 'Look, I can make it. If I work hard and get educated, I can make it."
237 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:43:54pm

re: #232 Jadespring

Here it is...

More...

O"REILLY: Now, how do we get to this point? Black people in this country understand that they've had a very, very tough go of it, and some of them can get past that, and some of them cannot. I don't think there's a black American who hasn't had a personal insult that they've had to deal with because of the color of their skin. I don't think there's one in the country. So you've got to accept that as being the truth. People deal with that stuff in a variety of ways. Some get bitter. Some say, [unintelligible] "You call me that, I'm gonna be more successful." OK, it depends on the personality.

So it's there. It's there, and I think it's getting better. I think black Americans are starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture. They're just trying to figure it out: "Look, I can make it. If I work hard and get educated, I can make it."

You know, I was up in Harlem a few weeks ago, and I actually had dinner with Al Sharpton, who is a very, very interesting guy. And he comes on The Factor a lot, and then I treated him to dinner, because he's made himself available to us, and I felt that I wanted to take him up there. And we went to Sylvia's, a very famous restaurant in Harlem. I had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful. They all watch The Factor. You know, when Sharpton and I walked in, it was like a big commotion and everything, but everybody was very nice.

And I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship. It was the same, and that's really what this society's all about now here in the U.S.A. There's no difference. There's no difference. There may be a cultural entertainment -- people may gravitate toward different cultural entertainment, but you go down to Little Italy, and you're gonna have that. It has nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

[...]

238 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:44:18pm

re: #221 WindUpBird

They often do, but these people aren't scared of science, they're scared of critical thought and scientific authority, because they see that as clashing with religious authority. Cue wingnut arguments about scientists "playing God"

Science is great when it works in their favor, they just don't want science being used to tell them they can't do something, or being used to tell them they're incorrect about something

I'm pretty sure it's not even that, you know. Other nations are just as or even more religious than the US, yet there is no firmly entrenched hatred of science. There may be firmly entrenched hatred of cultural change, and of cultural changes that may be peripherally related to science, but only in the US is science itself so reviled by mainstream religious movements.

I believe it is solely because of politics. 'Science' has become synonymous with 'things liberals like'. And these mainstream religious movements are highly politicised. However, their only premise is hatred of liberals and things liberals like.

239 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:44:26pm

re: #224 Kid A

I meant a certain segment. Sometimes my typing fingers move faster than my thinking brain.

[Link: theness.com...]

240 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:44:28pm

re: #237 Gus 802

More...

Continues...

O'REILLY: No, no, I mean, I like that soul food. I had the meatloaf special. I had coconut shrimp. I had the iced tea. It was great.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me just tell you, the one thing I would say is this. And we're talking about the kids who still like this gangsta rap, this vile poison that I think is absolutely, you know, literally a corruption of culture. I think that what you've got to take into account that it's still a majority white audience -- young, white people who think they're into rebelling against their parents who buy this stuff and think it's just a kick. You know, it's just a way of expressing their anti-authoritarianism.

O'REILLY: But it's a different -- it's a different dynamic, though.

WILLIAMS: Exactly right --

O'REILLY: Because the young, white kids don't have to struggle out of the ghetto.

WILLIAMS: Right, and also, I think they can have that as one phase of their lives.

O'REILLY: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: I think too many of the black kids take it as, "Oh, that's what it means to be authentically black. That's how you make money. That's how you become rich and famous and get on TV and get music videos." And you either get the boys or the girls. The girls think they have to, you know, be half-naked and spinning around like they're on meth in order to get any attention. It really corrupts people, and I think it adds, Bill, to some serious sociological problems, like the high out-of-wedlock birth rate because of this hypersexual imagery that then the kids adapt to some kind of reality. I mean, it's inauthentic. It's not in keeping with great black traditions of struggle and excellence, from Willie Mays to Aretha Franklin, but even in terms of academics, you know, going back to people like Charles Drew or Ben Carson here, the neurosurgeon at [Johns] Hopkins [University]. That stuff, all of a sudden, is pushed aside. That's treated as, "You're a nerd, you're acting white," if you try to be excellent and black.

O'REILLY: You know, and I went to the concert by Anita Baker at Radio City Music Hall, and the crowd was 50/50, black/white, and the blacks were well-dressed. And she came out -- Anita Baker came out on the stage and said, "Look, this is a show for the family. We're not gonna have any profanity here. We're not gonna do any rapping here." The band was excellent, but they were dressed in tuxedoes, and this is what white America doesn't know, particularly people who don't have a lot of interaction with black Americans. They think that the culture is dominated by Twista, Ludacris, and Snoop Dogg.

WILLIAMS: Oh, and it's just so awful. It's just so awful because, I mean, it's literally the sewer come to the surface, and now people take it that the sewer is the whole story --

O'REILLY: That's right. That's right. There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, "M-Fer, I want more iced tea."

WILLIAMS: Please --

O'REILLY: You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all.

241 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:44:46pm

this shouldn't be this funny: [Link: gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com...]

242 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:45:43pm

re: #239 Sergey Romanov

Thanks for the link! Lol...

243 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:46:28pm

re: #241 WindUpBird

Okay, I'm guessing they aren't telling the whole story. What else is going on?

245 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:47:14pm

The wingnut blogosphere really is a lot like a schoolyard playground.

This idiot says I'm "misogynistic" because I described Lila Rose as a "wacko anti-choice fanatic."

[Link: www.bluecollarphilosophy.com...]

Here's Lila Rose saying abortions should take place "in the public square" because then we'd get so disgusted that we'd hear the angels sing.

Yep. "Wacko anti-choice fanatic" is actually one of the kinder descriptions I could have used.

246 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:47:26pm

re: #238 Renaissance_Man

I'm pretty sure it's not even that, you know. Other nations are just as or even more religious than the US, yet there is no firmly entrenched hatred of science. There may be firmly entrenched hatred of cultural change, and of cultural changes that may be peripherally related to science, but only in the US is science itself so reviled by mainstream religious movements.

I believe it is solely because of politics. 'Science' has become synonymous with 'things liberals like'. And these mainstream religious movements are highly politicised. However, their only premise is hatred of liberals and things liberals like.

Oh, I'm specifically referring to American Christians, where it all meshes with politics, that politics becomes faith becomes tribalism, it all mixes in together. The church is where you get your politics, where you make business contacts, social contacts, it's the whole environment right there.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:47:50pm

re: #243 ProLifeLiberal

Okay, I'm guessing they aren't telling the whole story. What else is going on?

I'm only referring to my comments there :D

248 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:47:57pm

The Lila Rose video:

Youtube Video
249 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:48:01pm

re: #241 WindUpBird

You're right, it shouldn't. But I loved your post anyway!!!! lol...

250 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:48:39pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

I'm curious about the story itself. Anyone know the whole story?

251 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:49:19pm

re: #234 Nightlight

No, look, read this:

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:49:26pm

re: #240 Gus 802

there wasn't any kind of craziness! The black people behaved like humans!


O'Reilly might be the single dumbest person with a his own television show

253 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:50:02pm

re: #250 ProLifeLiberal

You go to OU? I have a very good friend of mine that bartends at Fox & Hound.

254 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:50:39pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

I'm only referring to my comments there :D

Another ex-lizard appears:

jainphx

This user is blocked.

Karma: -62
Registered since: Jul 8, 2006 at 7:50 pm

No. of comments posted: 512
No. of links posted: 0

255 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:50:53pm

re: #252 WindUpBird

there wasn't any kind of craziness! The black people behaved like humans!

O'Reilly might be the single dumbest person with a his own television show

Scientist, sociologist and combat veteran!

Bill O'Reilly: Combat Vet

Youtube Video
256 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:51:04pm

re: #253 Kid A

Yeah. Junior in Majoring Geography, minoring in Political Science and Middle Eastern Studies.

257 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:52:18pm

re: #256 ProLifeLiberal

Good for you. If Billy Sims were blogging here, he'd give you a "BOOMER! BOOMER!"

258 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:53:17pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

Gee, why do you think that guy was banned?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

259 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:54:27pm

re: #258 Charles

The answer is in the BOOK, the spirit of the Antichrist is already at work in the world, the best place to attack, why yes it's the "CHURCH"

Oh, I get it. You banned him because he was using all-caps to make a point.
///

260 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:54:51pm

Oh here we go.. Fox, Fox do I trust ye not to be playing silly bugger?
It's the only news org reporting this so far.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

A failed assassination attempt on Egypt's vice president in recent days left two of his bodyguards dead, U.S. sources tell Fox News, though that information has yet to be confirmed on the ground in Cairo.

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

261 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:54:58pm

re: #258 Charles

Thank you for the time & effort that you put into moderation. It's what keeps this place safe & usually sane!

262 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:55:29pm

Bill O'Reilly's Tales of Combat!

Youtube Video

Funny.

263 BishopX  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:57:58pm

re: #260 Jadespring

They're declining to name sources, and Gibbs declined to answer a question about this at a press briefing. I'm waiting for some more detail before I buy into it.

264 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:58:48pm

re: #258 Charles

Gee, why do you think that guy was banned?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I knew it wasn't for whining. Whiners get to stay longer.

265 Nightlight  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:58:55pm

re: #251 Obdicut

No, look, read this:

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

Floor debates are already in public view: (that letter uses the word "full" view, which I think is misleading.

The House Rules Committee is the only panel, other than the Intelligence and Ethics committees, not able to telecast proceedings in its main hearing room, the posting on Boehner's blog says. He cites language in a formal request by the panel's ranking Republican, David Dreier of California

[Link: politifact.com...]

266 Big Joe Ghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 4:59:25pm

In today's space weather a solar wind hit the Earth in the late hours. Higher latitude observers should be alert for auroras.

/smart phones, is there anything going on in the world they can't alert you about?

267 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:01:52pm

re: #265 Nightlight

I'm sorry, but I think that it's rather clear that the 'full' public view would include a view of the chamber. Why do you think it doesn't?

268 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:02:28pm

re: #262 Gus 802

Don't forget. He's interviewing Obama on Super Bowl Sunday. I'm putting the over/under on O'Reilly's interruptions at 16 1/2.

269 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:03:06pm

re: #260 Jadespring

Oh here we go.. Fox, Fox do I trust ye not to be playing silly bugger?
It's the only news org reporting this so far.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

bencnn benwedeman
The Fox story re. Omar Sulaiman assassination attempt is coming out of the US. No confirmation yet from Egypt.

Sherief Farouk
by ioerror
Attempted assassination of VP by who? Anyone else thinks this might be staged so they have an excuse to tighten their grip?

Who knows at this point, but Fox has lost it's credibility, so buyer always beware.

270 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:03:24pm

re: #240 Gus 802

Classic O'Reilly. He sounds like a much older white man who's had little contact with minorities in his life and whose impressions of them mostly derive from movies and TV he watched back in the 60s and 70s. A dinosaur if there ever was one. He becomes less relevant with each passing day.

271 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:03:28pm

re: #257 Kid A

Thanks!

I've been wanting to comment on this for a while now. About a week ago, me and my Presbyterian grandfather were chatting about Mosques. Specifically, he was noting a new one being built in Orlando. This mosque is replacing a building that has long gone past its expiration date. Very run down building, but will be replaced soon. The pictures of the current building there, and its proposed replacement are the first link. In Norman, there is a similar story. The "mosque" (actually two houses connected together) has become run down as well (also having a bug problem). It is also being replaced, and demolition starts next week. (Would have been this week, but a certain weather event changed that) It is the last two links. Me and my grandfather came to the conclusion that this is why there are controversies all over the place. Many worn-out buildings being replaced by more traditional buildings. It's a sign of things changing, and alot don't like it. My grandfather thinks the Dearborn Mosque is beautiful by the way, after hearing about it on the news.

If anyone thinks this will work better as a LGF Page, tell me.

[Link: www.iscf.org...]
[Link: masjid-annur.org...]
[Link: masjid-annur.org...]

272 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:04:47pm

re: #270 palomino

Classic O'Reilly. He sounds like a much older white man who's had little contact with minorities in his life and whose impressions of them mostly derive from movies and TV he watched back in the 60s and 70s. A dinosaur if there ever was one. He becomes less relevant with each passing day.

Another sad part was how Williams (I'm assuming Juan?) played along.

273 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:07:08pm

re: #271 ProLifeLiberal

I'm not one to speak for anyone, but I'd go for a page.

274 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:07:23pm

richardengelnbc richard engel
by BreakingNews
#egypt re-reports of assassination attempt against Suleiman. US source says "NO evidence of any attempt...rumor originated with media."

275 Four More Tears  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:08:59pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

richardengelnbc richard engel
by BreakingNews
#egypt re-reports of assassination attempt against Suleiman. US source says "NO evidence of any attempt...rumor originated with media."

Engel is obviously lying to us. Can anyone doubt that the MB is behind this all?

/

276 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:09:27pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

richardengelnbc richard engel
by BreakingNews
#egypt re-reports of assassination attempt against Suleiman. US source says "NO evidence of any attempt...rumor originated with media."

So it's leaning towards 'silly bugger' then.

Not that I would be surprised.

277 Nightlight  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:10:22pm

re: #267 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but I think that it's rather clear that the 'full' public view would include a view of the chamber. Why do you think it doesn't?

it is just views the cameras takes of people from shoulder up, that is all that is meant by "full".

don't worry, you're not missing anything.

278 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:11:52pm

Evening Honcos!! Good news...
Did my taxes, getting back a grand and....
I do my paper work for my new job tomorrow. Woot!!

279 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:11:52pm

re: #275 JasonA

Engel is obviously lying to us. Can anyone doubt that the MB is behind this all?

/

ha! YES. The Egyptian twitterers (?) were talking today about how Sulaiman helped the US with renditions. hm

280 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:12:47pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

ha! YES. The Egyptian twitterers (?) were talking today about how Sulaiman helped the US with renditions. hm

Tweeters, perhaps?

281 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:12:54pm

Hoft? My mother died recently. We are Christians. We prayed as hard as we knew how.

Did we not pray hard enough?

Kiss my fat ass.

282 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:13:32pm

re: #277 Nightlight

it is just views the cameras takes of people from shoulder up, that is all that is meant by "full".

don't worry, you're not missing anything.

Actually, as we saw from Gingrich's posturing, we are missing something. Many times the speeches railing at other are made to an empty chamber. The lack of response is due to the lack of anyone there.

You remember that, right?

283 Jadespring  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:13:56pm

re: #280 Kid A

ha! YES. The Egyptian twitterers (?) were talking today about how Sulaiman helped the US with renditions. hm

Tweeters, perhaps?

I think it could be 'tweeps' as well. Still learning the lingo. :)

284 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:14:23pm

re: #271 ProLifeLiberal

Thanks!

I've been wanting to comment on this for a while now. About a week ago, me and my Presbyterian grandfather were chatting about Mosques. Specifically, he was noting a new one being built in Orlando. This mosque is replacing a building that has long gone past its expiration date. Very run down building, but will be replaced soon. The pictures of the current building there, and its proposed replacement are the first link. In Norman, there is a similar story. The "mosque" (actually two houses connected together) has become run down as well (also having a bug problem). It is also being replaced, and demolition starts next week. (Would have been this week, but a certain weather event changed that) It is the last two links. Me and my grandfather came to the conclusion that this is why there are controversies all over the place. Many worn-out buildings being replaced by more traditional buildings. It's a sign of things changing, and alot don't like it. My grandfather thinks the Dearborn Mosque is beautiful by the way, after hearing about it on the news.

If anyone thinks this will work better as a LGF Page, tell me.

[Link: www.iscf.org...]
[Link: masjid-annur.org...]
[Link: masjid-annur.org...]

Is that in Oklahoma? I think I'd design one that looks more like this:

[Link: vastwasteland.blogspot.com...]

285 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:15:14pm

re: #255 Gus 802

Scientist, sociologist and combat veteran!

Bill O'Reilly: Combat Vet


[Video]

Another torture fantasy. Typical wingnut drivel.

286 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:15:21pm

re: #283 Jadespring

I say that because you don't "twit," you "tweet," YOU TWIT!!!!
//

287 palomino  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:15:25pm

re: #272 Stanley Sea

Another sad part was how Williams (I'm assuming Juan?) played along.

The so-called liberals on Fox are usually pretty moderate folks who are deferential to the conservatives who vastly outnumber them. Mara Liasson is similar to Juan Williams in this respect. Geraldo will get feisty sometimes, but he's too scattershot to be called liberal, no matter how Fox tries to bill him to their audience.

288 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:17:27pm

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Norman's actually a nice little place. Only city in Oklahoma to go for Obama. Moore to the north prevented the county going that way though.

289 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:17:38pm

More SMBC, a classic: [Link: www.smbc-comics.com...]

290 SpaceJesus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:19:47pm

jim i dont know who you are, but you look like a pedophile

291 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:20:14pm

re: #280 Kid A

ha! YES. The Egyptian twitterers (?) were talking today about how Sulaiman helped the US with renditions. hm

Tweeters, perhaps?

And I thank you.

292 Gus  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:21:28pm

re: #290 SpaceJesus

jim i dont know who you are, but you look like a pedophile

You know. I don't agree with that type of rhetoric.

293 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:21:34pm

re: #290 SpaceJesus

Rand Paul thinks his hair looks weird.

294 Nightlight  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:22:38pm

re: #282 Obdicut

Okay, I understand what you're saying here. They are cautious about no showing the drama.

My observation was that I did not see this move from the Speaker as being hypocritical, as the complaint was never about the above.

295 Obdicut  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:25:19pm

re: #294 Nightlight

I think it's pretty hypocritical to write a letter to CPAN saying that you support their aim to broadcast proceedings in full, and then go, "Oh, wait, not that full."

I'll bet you that he wouldn't want meetings between lobbyists and GOP members when they write up bills together broadcast, either.

Etc.

296 albusteve  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:25:35pm

it's threads like this that I have learned to show great restraint...keeping my mouth shut has it's benefits

297 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:25:52pm

re: #288 ProLifeLiberal

Norman's actually a nice little place. Only city in Oklahoma to go for Obama. Moore to the north prevented the county going that way though.

That was stereotyping OK a little, I have a thing about Federal day care. Truly, If I were designing mosques anywhere in the country they would be nice hard earth-sheltered buildings with lots of exits and low fire loads.

298 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:26:03pm

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Check out this sign from Egypt!

299 Four More Beers  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:27:28pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

What's the "P?" Pandora?

300 albusteve  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:29:20pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

That was stereotyping OK a little, I have a thing about Federal day care. Truly, If I were designing mosques anywhere in the country they would be nice hard earth-sheltered buildings with lots of exits and low fire loads.

you'd have to take into consideration traditional styles and minarets....I don't think earth sheltered would fly...good idea tho

301 Nightlight  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:30:32pm

re: #295 Obdicut

I thought the GOP had cameras installed in the hearing room of the Rules Committee like they said they would, or is that still in the planning stage?

302 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:30:33pm

re: #298 Stanley Sea

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Check out this sign from Egypt!

Comment from there:

MADs_Dad211 about 45 minutes ago
Clear sign of oppression when you prefer Internet Explorer to Mozilla Firefox!
303 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:30:41pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

That was stereotyping OK a little, I have a thing about Federal day care. Truly, If I were designing mosques anywhere in the country they would be nice hard earth-sheltered buildings with lots of exits and low fire loads.

Norman is a great town...We have chili bake-offs at the Democratic headquarters every month on Main street...

304 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:35:57pm

re: #303 HoosierHoops

Norman is a great town...We have chili bake-offs at the Democratic headquarters every month on Main street...

It's the commuters you have to worry about.

305 Stanghazi  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:37:42pm

Any updates on Fox's scoop?

306 reine.de.tout  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:39:22pm

re: #296 albusteve

it's threads like this that I have learned to show great restraint...keeping my mouth shut has it's benefits

yep.

307 BishopX  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 5:53:09pm

re: #305 Stanley Sea

Any updates on Fox's scoop?

Not that I'm seeing, some people tweeted it to #falsereports, but they aren't sighting sources.

308 lostlakehiker  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:01:28pm

re: #115 Lidane

Speaking of idiots:

GA State Rep.: There’s No Such Thing as a Rape Victim

That's right. There are no victims of rape, stalking, and family violence until the defendant has been convicted. Before that, they're just accusers.

You're mistaking Franklin's position. Franklin is not saying that there's no such thing as a rape victim. What he's saying is that during the trial, the victim, or, much less commonly but it does happen, the false accuser, should not be referred to as the victim, but as the accuser.

Consider the Duke rape accusations. Had that case gone to trial, a jury would have heard from the "victim". At every turn, she would have been referred to in words that carried the presumption that she really had been sexually assaulted. Under the circumstances, by implication, the accused would necessarily have been guilty. Nobody else might have done it.

His point is that to be fair during the trial, neutral wording should be used. The accused is the accused. To refer to the accuser as the victim, here, is hardly distinguishable from referring to the accused as the perpetrator.

The jury would have to be instructed that this wording is intended only to fill the requirements of justice. That it is their job to hear the case and decide who did what. That until they have decided, the court will not use words that carry assumptions about who did what.

I wouldn't choose his wording. The victim, if victim she (or he, that happens too) is, is not the only accuser. The State is bringing the case. The State has its own reasons for thinking that there was a rape and that the defendant is responsible. These could be from forensics, from tape, who knows?

Franklin overlooks the difficulty of choosing neutral wording. "Accuser" isn't neutral---it carries with it the suggestion that the case is purely hesaidshesaid. And how is the prosecution to make its case without using the word "victim"? At every turn, they're faced with having to say, Mrs. Jones, or this here woman, or "the person that the People allege was raped by the defendant". Such wordiness is no friend of justice.

He doesn't have the answer. But he does have a bit of a point, and it isn't that there's no victims. Just, that at trial, you can't take it as axiomatic that where there's rape smoke, there's rape fire.

309 Lidane  Fri, Feb 4, 2011 6:30:48pm

re: #308 lostlakehiker

Of course someone would try to defend the indefensible. Good job.


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