This hilarious clip came out a few days ago, but I just got around to watching it. Bill O’Reilly proves the existence of God. (Mars has moons, Bill.)
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:07:58pm |
Destroyed by Phil Plait: [Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]
And he even gets a decent pun in. Tidal bore, lol.
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bratwurst Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:09:22pm |
Remember folks, this is the guy who has more education than Rush, Beck and Hannity combined!
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:10:55pm |
people like bill-o find it hard to believe that the complexity of the human body came about without an allmighty creator, but have no trouble believing that a being capable of creating such complexity with a snap of the fingers came into existence magically
this is boggling at one improbability and explaining it with an impossibility
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:11:27pm |
How do you wander through life this ignorant? I don't get it. I mean, the moons of Saturn and Jupiter are on magazine covers all the time. They're on pictures of the solar system. They're in the news.
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The Yankee Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:12:08pm |
It amazes me how confident some one can appear when they are saying something completely stupid.
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:12:41pm |
re: #5 Obdicut
How do you wander through life this ignorant? I don't get it. I mean, the moons of Saturn and Jupiter are on magazine covers all the time. They're on pictures of the solar system. They're in the news.
Yeah. Why did god give them more moons then us? Does he like them better???
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:14:05pm |
re: #5 Obdicut
How do you wander through life this ignorant? I don't get it. I mean, the moons of Saturn and Jupiter are on magazine covers all the time. They're on pictures of the solar system. They're in the news.
It’s very hard to convince a man of something if his job depends on him not believing it.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:14:20pm |
BTW, the creationist fascination with the moon has found its way into internet discussions of the recent Kepler planet detections.
On Plait's blog a couple of them chimed in with the Rare Earth book's list of supposed things required for life, which to them means a moon just like ours.
Now, our moon does play an important part for our lives. But that is because of how the Moon and Earth formed - as sort of a binary planet system, and with how close Jupiter is and how its mass interacts with the Earth, causing perturbations in our orbit.
In other solar systems planets in the habitable zone may be stable without having a moon like ours.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:14:56pm |
And this dude gets to interview the President.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:15:15pm |
re: #7 recusancy
Yeah. Why did god give them more moons then us? Does he like them better???
And a little closer to home: I'd kill for the eyes and raptorial appendages of a mantis shrimp.
*shakes fist at god*
You gave us a raw deal. :(
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:15:30pm |
re: #6 The Yankee
It amazes me how confident some one can appear when they are saying something completely stupid.
some other poster here at the LGF hepped me to this:
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to appreciate their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.
(my apologies for forgetting who told me about this...)
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:16:06pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:16:49pm |
"How did that little amoeba get there..."
I really wish people would get a clue and realize that Evolution as a theory DOES NOT F***ING CARE ABOUT HOW LIFE FIRST CAME TO BE!
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:17:02pm |
re: #6 The Yankee
It amazes me how confident some one can appear when they are saying something completely stupid.
Apparently it is the secret to success when dating and talking to wingnuts.
I wouldn't know.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:18:40pm |
re: #13 recusancy
Obama knows what he's doing.
///Really I thought it was considered bad form to go argue your points against a straw man?
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:18:49pm |
re: #14 jamesfirecat
Indeed, Dennett makes this point very well in Darwin's Dangerous Idea, where he shows that the algorithms behind evolution work equally well in any analogous situation. Origin is immaterial. Evolution is algorithms describing the system.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:18:58pm |
re: #14 jamesfirecat
Well, the origin of life is an important area of scientific study.
But even more stupid is the assumption on the part of O' that an amoeba was the first life form. Currently found amoebas have been undergoing evolution for many millions of years.
The first life, and the first cells, were not amoebas.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:19:20pm |
Sorry to go OT, but this just came over twitter
AliDahmash Under My Olive Tree
I bow to Egyptians! A Beautiful wedding in #Tahrir Egyptians Rock!!! #Jan25 #Egypt [Link: yfrog.com...]
Check the photo. So much awesome.
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The Yankee Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:19:31pm |
One of the funnier things he says is that meteor is what made the moon. And he is half way there from the last time I checked. The moon and our iron core were made when a meteor hit the Earth. re: #3 bratwurst
Remember folks, this is the guy who has more education than Rush, Beck and Hannity combined!
He is the least stupid and most sane of the Fox talking heads. And most of the people that watch the news and make life and government decisions based on news get it from this channel sad and some what scary.
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Big Joe Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:20:37pm |
I was going to comment but I think I'll just go into the back yard, sit in the 78 degree sun and drink a beer first. How does one even discuss complex ideas with the proudly ignorant?
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:21:15pm |
re: #20 The Yankee
Actually, the major network's news shows have much higher ratings than shows on Fox.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:21:47pm |
re: #8 jamesfirecat
It’s very hard to convince a man of something if his job depends on him not believing it.
This.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:21:48pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Well, the origin of life is an important area of scientific study.
But even more stupid is the assumption on the part of O' that an amoeba was the first life form. Currently found amoebas have been undergoing evolution for many millions of years.
The first life, and the first cells, were not amoebas.
Spot on. Amoebas are eukaryotes and evolved relatively late. Prokaryotes were around for a very very long time before that.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:22:57pm |
re: #22 Petero1818
Harvard must be so proud.
Just like William and Marry is to have Eric Cantor and, Michele Bachmann as graduate...
If they didn't also have Jon Stewart I don't know W&M would be able to live with itself?
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jaunte Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:23:01pm |
re: #22 Petero1818
"How did Harvard get there? How'd it get there? How'd it get there?"
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:23:33pm |
re: #6 The Yankee
It amazes me how confident some one can appear when they are saying something completely stupid.
"It's like these guys are proud to be ignorant" - Barack Obama
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freetoken Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:24:19pm |
re: #25 prononymous
No one will ever confuse Bill O' with Charles Darwin.
I guess that is our consolation.
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:24:31pm |
re: #28 moderatelyradicalliberal
"It's like these guys are proud to be ignorant" - Barack Obama
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:26:35pm |
There is a bright side.
Can you imagine how dangerous and difficult the Conservative cult would be if someone convinced them that intelligence was something liberals were opposed to?
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:26:36pm |
re: #29 freetoken
No one will ever confuse Bill O' with Charles Darwin.
I guess that is our consolation.
Not much of a consolation when many of his followers probably think Bill O' is actually smarter than Darwin was.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:26:52pm |
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Petero1818 Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:26:55pm |
re: #29 freetoken
No one will ever confuse Bill O' with Charles Darwin.
I guess that is our consolation.
True enough. But tell that to the next generation of Texas grade school students who are more likely to have learned about O'Reilly than Darwin.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:27:36pm |
re: #31 Renaissance_Man
There is a bright side.
Can you imagine how dangerous and difficult the Conservative cult would be if someone convinced them that intelligence was something liberals were opposed to?
LOL!
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jaunte Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:27:44pm |
This clip apparently comes from the Premium Membership area of The Factor Online. This is the special stuff for which members pay $4.95 a month.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:29:43pm |
re: #36 jaunte
This clip apparently comes from the Premium Membership area of The Factor Online. This is the special stuff for which members pay $4.95 a month.
If they are dumb enough to pay for it, this is what they deserve.
These guys are running one hell of a racket.
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The Yankee Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:31:49pm |
re: #22 Petero1818
Harvard must be so proud.
re: #26 jamesfirecat
He went to Harvard I didn't know that. Which brings me to another point and my last on this. He only had to get one of his staff to do a little bit of research to come up with a better reply his second time around. The first time I can understand it was a emotional re-action. But he had days to reply to the email and that was the best he could do. Mentioning things that science is about 90% positive about. It shows he doesn't care about his job nor does he respect his audience. Such a lazy opinion, from a Harvard grad when he should of ask where did the singularity come from.
Just like William and Marry is to have Eric Cantor and, Michele Bachmann as graduate...
If they didn't also have Jon Stewart I don't know W&M would be able to live with itself?
Eric Cantor is not that mad compared to Bachmann they shouldn't be mention in the same breath. I am not a Conservative but the only thing I don't like about Cantor is his BS about his office being shot up when he should of known better. He seems like a reasonable man. Unlike Boehner who looks like a crying, red face, tool.
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bratwurst Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:34:46pm |
re: #37 moderatelyradicalliberal
If they are dumb enough to pay for it, this is what they deserve.
These guys are running one hell of a racket.
Olbermann was and is a pompous ass, but at least he never charged anyone to access his pomposity online the way Bill O'Reilly does! He never tried to sell you a coffee mug or windbreaker either.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:35:24pm |
re: #38 The Yankee
Unlike Boehner who looks like a crying, red face, tool.
Wouldn't that be Tang-faced?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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FreedomMoon Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:37:41pm |
Bill has got to have a complete lack of self-awareness to not see this "performance" as a perfect example of anti-intellectualism. Basically his argument can be reduced to this: "God controls everything, we can't possibly understand the laws of physics, ergo God exists."
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:38:36pm |
The joke is that O'Reilly has no theological need to be a Hands-On Creationist. His professed background is a somewhat rigid mainstream Catholicism. The Pope has no problem with a remote First Mover 14 billion yrs ahead of us.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:39:54pm |
the world is full of people like Bill....millions and millions of Bills everywhere...your friend Bill, your neighbor Bill, you son in law Bill...a veritable plethora of them....what can you do with all these Bills?
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:40:33pm |
re: #42 Decatur Deb
The joke is that O'Reilly has no theological need to be a Hands-On Creationist. His professed background is a somewhat rigid mainstream Catholicism. The Pope has no problem with a remote First Mover 14 billion yrs ahead of us.
This is what I don't get. I had always thought the Catholic Church had no problems with modern science, evolution or the big band theory. That's why I say he's running a racket. He knows who his audience is and he's making all of the money he can off of them.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:42:04pm |
re: #32 prononymous
re: #34 Petero1818
The willful and proud ignorance of the reactionary right will be their own undoing. As we see with Rand Paul's statements about aid to Israel, the glibertarian and theocratic union is unstable. The rich and powerful that use O'Rly to stupefy the gullible will only have use for him as long as their wealth is protected.
It will be little comfort to us as the US declines (due to preoccupation with atavism and political intransigence) in the face of a changing world that demands quick wit and responsive societies and economies. However, the Chinese and the Brazilians will fill the economic void while the Texans will be fighting for the next century over whether English or Spanish ought to be the official language of their state and Kansans argue whether they should hang abortionists or use the electric chair on them.
In the last 5 centuries or so we can see that nations which are willing to change succeed, while those who try to cling to old ways fade. Innovation does bring reward.
I consider the reactionary right in this country as very desperate people. Desperate people can be dangerous. Yet they are desperate for some good reasons - they feel cornered intellectually and economically. They ought to feel cornered because in fact they are looking at future in which their beliefs and lifestyles will be increasingly threatened.
It's tough for the old ways to die.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:42:32pm |
re: #43 albusteve
the world is full of people like Bill...millions and millions of Bills everywhere...your friend Bill, your neighbor Bill, you son in law Bill...a veritable plethora of them...what can you do with all these Bills?
Write a hit song.
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blueraven Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:43:40pm |
Wasn't Bill O' a teacher at one time? I seem to recall that from somewhere.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:43:47pm |
re: #39 bratwurst
Olbermann was and is a pompous ass, but at least he never charged anyone to access his pomposity online the way Bill O'Reilly does! He never tried to sell you a coffee mug or windbreaker either.
maybe he should have...he might still have a job
anyway to broaden your point even further, I doubt the MSM in general would be of a higher quality if somehow the racketeers and pompous asses were no longer sneering at you from inside a TV
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albusteve Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:44:36pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:45:03pm |
re: #44 moderatelyradicalliberal
This is what I don't get. I had always thought the Catholic Church had no problems with modern science, evolution or the big band theory. That's why I say he's running a racket. He knows who his audience is and he's making all of the money he can off of them.
It certainly fills his rice bowl, but might also be an example of his politics driving his theology--something that might be more common than we suspect.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:45:45pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:46:48pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
It certainly fills his rice bowl, but might also be an example of his politics driving his theology--something that might be more common than we suspect.
No doubt.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:47:14pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
It certainly fills his rice bowl, but might also be an example of his politics driving his theology--something that might be more common than we suspect.
I'd take it a step further. It really feels to me like many people mold their politics AND their religion around their preconceived notions.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:49:39pm |
re: #53 prononymous
I'd take it a step further. It really feels to me like many people mold their politics AND their religion around their preconceived notions.
We gettin' back to the blue-eyed Jesus with an AK?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:50:52pm |
re: #50 Decatur Deb
It certainly fills his rice bowl, but might also be an example of his politics driving his theology--something that might be more common than we suspect.
not sure...it deems like theology driven politics is the real mother lode at the present
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blueraven Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:52:21pm |
re: #47 blueraven
Wasn't Bill O' a teacher at one time? I seem to recall that from somewhere.
Ugh, yes he was. From his wiki page
After graduating from Marist College, O'Reilly moved to Miami, Florida at age 21, where he taught English and history at Monsignor Pace High School from 1970 to 1972.[25] O'Reilly returned to school in 1973[26] and earned an M.A. in Broadcast Journalism from Boston University
OK I know he wasn't a science teacher but you would think...Oh hell, nevermind.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:53:08pm |
re: #54 Decatur Deb
We gettin' back to the blue-eyed Jesus with an AK?
I think Supply Side Jesus would have had his bodyguards carry the AKs.
[Link: www.buzzflash.com...]
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:54:06pm |
re: #55 albusteve
not sure...it deems like theology driven politics is the real mother lode at the present
Yeah. That's what we expect--but that breaks down with Catholics. They go abortion-nut and fornication-nut, but Creationism and End-Times crap puts them out of their own mainstream
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Petero1818 Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:55:06pm |
re: #43 albusteve
the world is full of people like Bill...millions and millions of Bills everywhere...your friend Bill, your neighbor Bill, you son in law Bill...a veritable plethora of them...what can you do with all these Bills?
Charge them 4.95 a month...
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:56:41pm |
My nephew's six year-old girl recently had several of Bill's questions, but unlike Bill she took it for granted that the questions actually had answers, so she asked people she figured might know. I hope she never stops looking for answers.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:57:55pm |
re: #60 negativ
My nephew's six year-old girl recently had several of Bill's questions, but unlike Bill she took it for granted that the questions actually had answers, so she asked people she figured might know. I hope she never stops looking for answers.
Sucker!! She was just working you for homework help.
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Girth Sat, Feb 5, 2011 2:58:57pm |
Papa Bear, when confronted with a scientific question worth of study and discussion, "How did the moon come to be where it is?" is happy to shrug his shoulders and say "God did it, end of story."
The thought of an educated man being so fundamentally un-curious about science really disturbs me.
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:00:56pm |
'It takes more faith to believe in this scientific mumbo jumbo than it does to believe in God.'
Wow. Let it all hang out Bill.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:01:13pm |
re: #30 recusancy
Who is that guy? Maybe the president could take some persuasive speaking tips from him.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:02:23pm |
I wonder if this is true. Has been reported by Interfax:
[Link: vikno.eu...]
"McCain has mixed Belarus with Lithuania"
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:03:07pm |
re: #62 Girth
Papa Bear, when confronted with a scientific question worth of study and discussion, "How did the moon come to be where it is?" is happy to shrug his shoulders and say "God did it, end of story."
The thought of an educated man being so fundamentally un-curious about science really disturbs me.
And any moon-god will do:
[Link: www.bizrate.com...]
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:04:03pm |
re: #64 negativ
Who is that guy? Maybe the president could take some persuasive speaking tips from him.
I think ever since he got into that Louis Gates Jr. and aggressive cop thing he's found that he can't speak freely anymore. It's best for him to be bland and pick and choose every word carefully to keep his political agenda on track.
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Girth Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:04:54pm |
I wonder where Bill O is epistemologically.
Does he think that these questions can't be answered because they are simply the actions of God?
or,
Does he think that the answers don't matter, so there is no point in pursuing them?
I'm thinking at first he'd say #1, but after thinking about it really hard he'd fall back to #2, simply because it's easier in the long run.
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:06:31pm |
re: #68 Girth
I wonder where Bill O is epistemologically.
Does he think that these questions can't be answered because they are simply the actions of God?
or,
Does he think that the answers don't matter, so there is no point in pursuing them?
I'm thinking at first he'd say #1, but after thinking about it really hard he'd fall back to #2, simply because it's easier in the long run.
He's a culture warrior, remember. So the culture war and tribalism comes first.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:06:54pm |
re: #68 Girth
I wonder where Bill O is epistemologically.
Does he think that these questions can't be answered because they are simply the actions of God?
or,
Does he think that the answers don't matter, so there is no point in pursuing them?
I'm thinking at first he'd say #1, but after thinking about it really hard he'd fall back to #2, simply because it's easier in the long run.
He thinks all important questions are answered in a memo from Murdoch.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:09:02pm |
So [the connection between vaccinations and autism is] an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children.
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:10:18pm |
God doesn't need any help from people running around "proving."
What infantilism.
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Girth Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:13:49pm |
re: #72 Ojoe
God doesn't need any help from people running around "proving."
What infantilism.
If I were an omniscient, omnipotent deity. I think I'd be more than a little perturbed when one of my followers boldly claims that he can prove my existence and then fails so spectacularly to do so.
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:18:18pm |
re: #30 recusancy
[Video]
Heh... I was looking through the LGF archives to find out if anything was said here when Obama made that remark about tire inflation. I didn't see any posts on it but I found this thread with 402 comments discussing Obama's possible flat bike tire that doesn't even look flat.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:19:18pm |
Can't resist.
Fucking magnets. How do they work?
/
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:20:08pm |
re: #74 recusancy
Heh... I was looking through the LGF archives to find out if anything was said here when Obama made that remark about tire inflation. I didn't see any posts on it but I found this thread with 402 comments discussing Obama's possible flat bike tire that doesn't even look flat.
It was underinflated. No doubt about it.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:22:02pm |
re: #77 wrenchwench
It was underinflated. No doubt about it.
I still laugh at that picture - he really was riding on a flat tire.
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SpaceJesus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:22:22pm |
saw this a few days ago as well. i feel that we could honestly wipe-out conservatives by requiring all school children to take logic classes every year beyond 6th grade.
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recusancy Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:23:27pm |
re: #77 wrenchwench
It was underinflated. No doubt about it.
McCain should have made it a campaign issue. Totally would have won!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:25:25pm |
re: #81 recusancy
McCain should have made it a campaign issue. Totally would have won!
herp derp inflation joke
derp herp deflation joke
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:29:02pm |
re: #80 SpaceJesus
saw this a few days ago as well. i feel that we could honestly wipe-out conservatives by requiring all school children to take logic classes every year beyond 6th grade.
There are believers on all sides of the spectrum. O'Reilley's beliefs (as illogical and anti science as they might be) are not political in nature. This isn't a conservative v progressive thing.
To make it so would probably not be a good idea.
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anova Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:29:23pm |
You will also find a video showing Stephen Colbert's take on this issue, at the above link.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:31:10pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:32:02pm |
re: #73 Girth
It's a dogma of the Catholic Church that God's existence can be rationally proven.
[Link: www.vatican.va...]
36 "Our holy mother, the Church, holds and teaches that God, the first principle and last end of all things, can be known with certainty from the created world by the natural light of human reason."11 Without this capacity, man would not be able to welcome God's revelation. Man has this capacity because he is created "in the image of God".12
37 In the historical conditions in which he finds himself, however, man experiences many difficulties in coming to know God by the light of reason alone:
Though human reason is, strictly speaking, truly capable by its own natural power and light of attaining to a true and certain knowledge of the one personal God, who watches over and controls the world by his providence, and of the natural law written in our hearts by the Creator; yet there are many obstacles which prevent reason from the effective and fruitful use of this inborn faculty. For the truths that concern the relations between God and man wholly transcend the visible order of things, and, if they are translated into human action and influence it, they call for self-surrender and abnegation. The human mind, in its turn, is hampered in the attaining of such truths, not only by the impact of the senses and the imagination, but also by disordered appetites which are the consequences of original sin. So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful.13
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:35:24pm |
re: #83 researchok
There are believers on all sides of the spectrum. O'Reilley's beliefs (as illogical and anti science as they might be) are not political in nature. This isn't a conservative v progressive thing.
To make it so would probably not be a good idea.
Such beliefs are far more prevalent in the GOP than in the Democratic party, to use the only available yardstick for 'conservative' and 'liberal' in this country.
Creationism and related beliefs are much more common on the 'conservative' side of the spectrum.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:37:33pm |
O'Reilly has the same attitude towards politics as he has to science. If he doesn't understand a position of the former it's because of the secularists and if he doesn't understand science, no problem, God knows.
Yes he is smarter than Beck/Hannity/Palin and so on, but he still epitomizes the term cognitive dissonance, even when he grants the last word.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:37:33pm |
re: #87 Obdicut
Religion-based - yes, but what about all sorts of touchy-feely woo-woo and postmodernism?
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AK-47% Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:38:21pm |
re: #4 engineer dog
Three enginners discussing the nature of God:
The mechanical engineer explains: "God must be a mechanical engineer, look at all the complex system of joints and ligatures in the human body"
The electrical engineer replies: "God must be an electrical engineer, look at the incredible system of neruons and nerve endings!"
The civil engineer counters: "No, God is a civil engineer: who else would put a sewage outlet smack dab in the middle of a recreational area?"
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:41:53pm |
re: #89 Sergey Romanov
Postmodernism has never been big except in an incredibly small niche of academia.
Touchy-feely-woo-woo is quite common, but it's a small irrationality compared to the large irrationality of young-earth creationism. I assume that by touchy-feely-woo-woo you mean believing in fate, shakras, the healing power of magnets, etc. That's certainly common on all sides of any political fence.
However, in terms of actual legislation, actual policy, the only large force in US politics comes from conservative Christians pushing their anti-science agenda, based on their beliefs. Woo-woo has the great benefit of being rather incoherent.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:41:58pm |
Important Middle East news: McDonalds introduces the McFalafel.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:42:24pm |
re: #83 researchok
There are believers on all sides of the spectrum. O'Reilley's beliefs (as illogical and anti science as they might be) are not political in nature. This isn't a conservative v progressive thing.
Yes it is. Progressive means able to think forward about things; science or politics. Conservative means conserving the fantasy of the day. Ask any Republican.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:43:21pm |
re: #90 ralphieboy
And the systems engineer says, "Well, he sure as fuck wasn't a systems engineer".
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nines09 Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:44:25pm |
When Bill says something stupid and is called out on it it's "desperate". When he points out something he considers stupid he's a genius. Nice membership perk there Billo. Being the most intelligent man on Fox must be tiring, because he sure looks tired.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:46:28pm |
re: #96 nines09
When Bill says something stupid and is called out on it it's "desperate". When he points out something he considers stupid he's a genius. Nice membership perk there Billo. Being the most intelligent man on Fox must be tiring, because he sure looks tired.
Maybe he can get his picture taken for an award next to the worlds tallest sufferer of Dwarfism...
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:46:55pm |
re: #83 researchok
There are believers on all sides of the spectrum. O'Reilley's beliefs (as illogical and anti science as they might be) are not political in nature. This isn't a conservative v progressive thing.
To make it so would probably not be a good idea.
This shouldn't be a conservative v progressive thing. Unfortunately, many conservatives are not doing many favors these days for the term "conservative".
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:46:56pm |
re: #90 ralphieboy
A dentist overhears them and says, "you guys don't know squat he must be a dentist to screw up the design so cleverly, or dentists wouldn't exist".
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:47:14pm |
re: #96 nines09
Being the most intelligent man on Fox must be tiring, because he sure looks tired.
That's what I thought. I don't see him very often, so I don't know how he usually looks, but in that vid, he looks like he hasn't slept in a week.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:47:57pm |
re: #100 wrenchwench
That's what I thought. I don't see him very often, so I don't know how he usually looks, but in that vid, he looks like he hasn't slept in a week.
Younger wife.
Oh, hell, did I just say that?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:49:11pm |
re: #96 nines09
When Bill says something stupid and is called out on it it's "desperate". When he points out something he considers stupid he's a genius. Nice membership perk there Billo. Being the most intelligent man on Fox must be tiring, because he sure looks tired.
LOOFAH
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nines09 Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:49:13pm |
re: #97 jamesfirecat
Billo retort; "Huh? Huh? Huh? HUH??!!???"
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:50:44pm |
re: #98 reine.de.tout
It's now a self-perpetuating system, I'm afraid. There's a whole section of society you can be born in, and grow up in, and never encounter a serious challenge to this anti-science worldview. That recent poll on how science teachers are often afraid to teach evolution, instead only teaching the mechanism of DNA replication, was really depressing.
Oh, by the way, entirely unrelated, Conservapedia, in its section on Jewish Persecution, only mentions Catholic persecutions of Jews, absolving Protestants from any blame whatsoever. In addition, it claims Hitler was Catholic, and blames the Holocaust on Catholicism as well.
I think this is a large reason why many in the GOP are so adamantly anti-immigrant; it is not just that Central and South Americans are usually of a different race, it is also their Catholicism.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:51:28pm |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
By the way, can I send you an email on a completely random topic?
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:51:46pm |
The irony is that he's calling everyone who is disagreeing trying to educate him a "pinhead" and "desperate" while all the while the only pinhead and desperate person we see is Bill O'Reilly.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:53:42pm |
re: #3 bratwurst
Remember folks, this is the guy who has more education than Rush, Beck and Hannity combined!
Fucking college degrees. How do they work?
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:53:50pm |
re: #92 Decatur Deb
Important Middle East news: McDonalds introduces the McFalafel.
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
re: #102 Stanley Sea
LOOFAH
I came for this, leaving content.
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brennant Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:55:27pm |
re: #107 Lidane
Fucking college degrees. How do they work?
I came to LGF to lurk for a moment.
Then I read this.
Somehow may day is just a little better.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:55:59pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:56:17pm |
Bill O'Reilly walks into a Harlem restaurant. While being seated he suddenly notices silverware and china. His first thoughts are "how did that get there? You call that luck? That's there only because a deity put it there!"
//
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:57:54pm |
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brennant Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:58:01pm |
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BongCrodny Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:58:04pm |
I weep for the present.
I used to weep for the future, but the present seems to be a whole lot dumber.
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Tigger2005 Sat, Feb 5, 2011 3:59:42pm |
OT: There is this guy named "Bob King" on Facebook who puts up post after post trying to discredit AGW. He is very dedicated. He does "series" on various topics related to GW, claiming to show how we're being lied to, that the science and data is being cooked, that it's a conspiracy, that you can't trust the IPCC data, etc. etc. He puts up lots of charts and links. Today he was talking about a scientist in 2001 who said snowfall was going to be decreasing and pointed at the recent major snowstorm as "proof" it's all crap. Naturally he has a bunch of hangers-on who agree with his every word. I'm about the only one who ever puts up anything challenging him. I wonder if anyone else would be interested in getting in there and helping to counter his claims? It probably won't have any effect on him...he is dedicated to the anti-AGW "cause." But maybe some of his dittoheads can be gotten through to.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:01:06pm |
re: #115 Tigger2005
OT: There is this guy named "Bob King" on Facebook who puts up post after post trying to discredit AGW. He is very dedicated. He does "series" on various topics related to GW, claiming to show how we're being lied to, that the science and data is being cooked, that it's a conspiracy, that you can't trust the IPCC data, etc. etc. He puts up lots of charts and links. Today he was talking about a scientist in 2001 who said snowfall was going to be decreasing and pointed at the recent major snowstorm as "proof" it's all crap. Naturally he has a bunch of hangers-on who agree with his every word. I'm about the only one who ever puts up anything challenging him. I wonder if anyone else would be interested in getting in there and helping to counter his claims? It probably won't have any effect on him...he is dedicated to the anti-AGW "cause." But maybe some of his dittoheads can be gotten through to.
Quick Commissioner Gordon, turn on the LVQ symbol!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:01:28pm |
re: #19 Stanley Sea
Sorry to go OT, but this just came over twitter
AliDahmash Under My Olive Tree
I bow to Egyptians! A Beautiful wedding in #Tahrir Egyptians Rock!!! #Jan25 #Egypt [Link: yfrog.com...]Check the photo. So much awesome.
I really want those who missed this, to see this photo. puleeze?
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:02:35pm |
re: #87 Obdicut
Such beliefs are far more prevalent in the GOP than in the Democratic party, to use the only available yardstick for 'conservative' and 'liberal' in this country.
Creationism and related beliefs are much more common on the 'conservative' side of the spectrum.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That may be so.
Nevertheless, it doesn't change the reality that a whole lot of people from all walks of life, from every race and creed do share those same religious beliefs.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:02:57pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
Eugene Robinson
Sarah Palin complains that "nobody yet has explained" #Egypt uprising to her. Seriously. [Link: bit.ly...]
Anyone of our code warriors want to put together a text analyzer that could compare this kind of statement with equivalent blocks of language from 2 yrs ago? There is something to be learned, there.
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AK-47% Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:03:48pm |
Only the most frothing athiest does not see that science leaves plenty of room for a First Mover.
Only the most frothing fundamentalist Biblical literalist does not see that the First Mover leaves plenty of room for science.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:03:53pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
Eugene Robinson
Sarah Palin complains that "nobody yet has explained" #Egypt uprising to her. Seriously. [Link: bit.ly...]
From there:
I would continue to believe that there are more who are believers in those values than there are not, so I would continue down that same path.”
OK then.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:05:04pm |
re: #112 prononymous
Well of course it hasn't been explained to her yet. Nobody has made a pop-up kid's book about it yet.
OT but on a slightly related note. When I was young my parents gave me a pop-up kama sutra book to help them explain human sexuality.
Having ex-hippies for parents rocks.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:05:49pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
Can I file a complaint about Sarah Palin still being in the public eye after 2008? I don't need an explanation -- the same idiots who think The Bachelor and Jersey Shore are real love her. I just want to complain about the fact that this woman won't go away.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:05:59pm |
re: #120 ralphieboy
Only the most frothing athiest does not see that science leaves plenty of room for a First Mover.
Only the most frothing fundamentalist Biblical literalist does not see that the First Mover leaves plenty of room for science.
I think you might be going out on a limb here to call Stephen Hawking a frothing athiest.....
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:06:29pm |
re: #120 ralphieboy
Only the most frothing athiest does not see that science leaves plenty of room for a First Mover.
Only the most frothing fundamentalist Biblical literalist does not see that the First Mover leaves plenty of room for science.
For myself, I don't think science leaves room for a "first mover". However, for others, I give them room to see a "first mover". One need not be a "frothing atheist" to see the former. I would further add that science and religion are two very distinct things.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:07:15pm |
re: #122 prononymous
OT but on a slightly related note. When I was young my parents gave me a pop-up kama sutra book to help them explain human sexuality.
Having ex-hippies for parents rocks.
"Caution: Eye Hazard"
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:07:55pm |
re: #19 Stanley Sea
Sorry to go OT, but this just came over twitter
AliDahmash Under My Olive Tree
I bow to Egyptians! A Beautiful wedding in #Tahrir Egyptians Rock!!! #Jan25 #Egypt [Link: yfrog.com...]Check the photo. So much awesome.
Heh...
I hope Mubarak makes it to cake cutting! Wedding in Tahrir square gets 1 Million attendees http://yfrog.com/h2wybbj #Egypt #Jan25
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:08:02pm |
re: #126 Decatur Deb
"Caution: Eye Hazard"
More like "Caution Once you've seen it, you can't unsee it!"
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:09:04pm |
re: #123 Lidane
Can I file a complaint about Sarah Palin still being in the public eye after 2008? I don't need an explanation -- the same idiots who think The Bachelor and Jersey Shore are real love her. I just want to complain about the fact that this woman won't go away.
Perfect segue - read this short post on The Mudflats - Palin free month
[Link: www.themudflats.net...]
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:09:25pm |
re: #120 ralphieboy
Speaking as an atheist, it's not that I can't see room for a First Mover. I just don't call it God or assign it any sort of personality or emotions.
I like to think the universe is unfolding just fine on its own, without needing the myths and stories. That's all.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:09:54pm |
re: #118 researchok
That may be so.
Nevertheless, it doesn't change the reality that a whole lot of people from all walks of life, from every race and creed do share those same religious beliefs.
Sure. But there is a hell of a lot more rejection of very basic science, in rejection of evolution, the age of the earth and universe, AGW, etc. on the 'conservative' side in the US than on the 'liberal' side. Which is entirely because of 'conservatives' embracing the actually very un-conservative and radical religiously social conservatives.
So O'Reilly's beliefs may be religious, but people with those beliefs are much, much, much more likely to be conservatives than liberals in the US today.
By the way, I don't think you can say that there are people from every 'creed' that share those same religious beliefs. Creed is generally taken to mean a religious belief. What O'Reilly is espousing is actually even rejected by Catholicism, which is his own 'creed'.
I think O'Reilly's 'beliefs' on this subject are mostly "I'm never wrong" and "Shovels only dig down."
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:11:16pm |
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:11:46pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
Science is not a social activity.
I wonder what politics and government based on the scientific method would look like.
Hmm...
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AK-47% Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:12:08pm |
re: #131 Lidane
Speaking as an atheist, it's not that I can't see room for a First Mover. I just don't call it God or assign it any sort of personality or emotions.
I like to think the universe is unfolding just fine on its own, without needing the myths and stories. That's all.
I agree. The point that a lot of fundamentalists miss is that religion is about why we are here, science is about how we came to be here.
This has to do with a basic lack of basic education. Like learning the difference between a science textbook, a history text and religious scripture.
There are too many folks who think the Bible qualifies as all three.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:12:27pm |
re: #125 Gus 802
Agreed. I don't believe in any sort of deity or any reality outside the immediate physical reality of the universe. But hell, it could all be a hologram. Very unlikely.
Kinda hope it is.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:12:55pm |
re: #135 prononymous
I wonder what politics and government based on the scientific method would look like.
Hmm...
I'm sure that Sam Harris would think of something.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:13:23pm |
re: #133 Gus 802
Science is not a social activity.
Anthropology is the only "pure" science. All others are tainted by hope of gainful employment.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:13:44pm |
re: #137 Obdicut
Agreed. I don't believe in any sort of deity or any reality outside the immediate physical reality of the universe. But hell, it could all be a hologram. Very unlikely.
Kinda hope it is.
What does God need with a starship?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:14:40pm |
The Muslim Brotherhood has begun talks w the Egyptian authorities. Via Sky and Associated Press. #Egypt
I can't see anything good coming out of this.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:15:19pm |
re: #134 wrenchwench
Nor is it an antisocial activity.
I suppose that it could have antisocial results at times.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:16:20pm |
re: #137 Obdicut
Agreed. I don't believe in any sort of deity or any reality outside the immediate physical reality of the universe. But hell, it could all be a hologram. Very unlikely.
Kinda hope it is.
The universe is trapped in a trash bin in the middle of Times Square located in another universe beyond sight and sound.
//
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:16:44pm |
re: #142 Gus 802
I suppose that it could have antisocial results at times.
But the lack of science would have worse antisocial results, I think.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:16:49pm |
re: #120 ralphieboy
Only the most frothing aethiest does not see that science leaves plenty of room for a First Mover.
Only the most frothing fundamentalist Biblical literalist does not see that the First Mover leaves plenty of room for science.
I don't froth, yet, but there is a difference in how that "room" works. The first case can incorporate anything you desire, the second can only incorporate what you understand.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:16:55pm |
re: #141 NJDhockeyfan
I can't see anything good coming out of this.
Talking with them is one thing. Catering to them is another.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:17:17pm |
re: #143 Gus 802
The universe is trapped in a trash bin in the middle of Times Square located in another universe beyond sight and sound.
//
That would explain the smell.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:17:25pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
Sure. But there is a hell of a lot more rejection of very basic science, in rejection of evolution, the age of the earth and universe, AGW, etc. on the 'conservative' side in the US than on the 'liberal' side. Which is entirely because of 'conservatives' embracing the actually very un-conservative and radical religiously social conservatives.
So O'Reilly's beliefs may be religious, but people with those beliefs are much, much, much more likely to be conservatives than liberals in the US today.
By the way, I don't think you can say that there are people from every 'creed' that share those same religious beliefs. Creed is generally taken to mean a religious belief. What O'Reilly is espousing is actually even rejected by Catholicism, which is his own 'creed'.
I think O'Reilly's 'beliefs' on this subject are mostly "I'm never wrong" and "Shovels only dig down."
Fine, but it isn't about numbers only. Never has been.
You tell minority churches and communities their beliefs are a rejection of science and education- and highlight their beliefs are the same as the evangelicals.
Tell that to Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims with the same enthusiasm.
My point is simple. It is best not to politicize religious beliefs and marginalize people for those beliefs.
If there are those who do politicize their beliefs, take them on politically, not religiously.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:17:30pm |
re: #144 wrenchwench
But the lack of science would have worse antisocial results, I think.
More so yes.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:18:50pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
This reminds me of a certain Beckwith, a nasty de facto theocrat (no matter how much he pays lip service to the separation concept), he was a fellow of DI. So one day he converted (or returned) to Catholicism. Imagine the outcry from fellow fundies. His surprised reaction was funny.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:18:55pm |
re: #146 Lidane
Talking with them is one thing. Catering to them is another.
I doubt they are just having tea and talking about the Superbowl. I have a feeling they are planning something.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:19:26pm |
ebertchicago Roger Ebert
Homeless mentally ill told to hold it down with all the noise of their Reagan's birthday celebrations.
Does anyone remember the Doonesbury strip where Reagan called the homeless campers? They're just campers!
I cant find it, but dang, it was a classic.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:19:42pm |
re: #148 researchok
Fine, but it isn't about numbers only. Never has been.
You tell minority churches and communities their beliefs are a rejection of science and education- and highlight their beliefs are the same as the evangelicals..
Um, okay.
Tell that to Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims with the same enthusiasm.
Is it okay if I actually measure my enthusiasm to the extent to which their beliefs are actually rejections of science?
My point is simple. It is best not to politicize religious beliefs and marginalize people for those beliefs.
I agree. However, the huge numbers of American Christians who politicize their beliefs do not. Like Bill O'Reilly.
If there are those who do politicize their beliefs, take them on politically, not religiously
I'm lost. What do you mean by taking them on politically? Do you mean it's somehow bad to point out that the religious belief that the earth 6,000 years old is crap?
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AK-47% Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:19:53pm |
re: #150 Sergey Romanov
This reminds me of a certain Beckwith, a nasty de facto theocrat (no matter how much he pays lip service to the separation concept), he was a fellow of DI. So one day he converted (or returned) to Catholicism. Imagine the outcry from fellow fundies. His surprised reaction was funny.
The Pope says he sees no inherent conflict between Evolution and faith.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:20:07pm |
re: #141 NJDhockeyfan
I can't see anything good coming out of this.
Did you see the photo of the newly weds I posted? Think on the positive side.
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BongCrodny Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:20:11pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
Sure. But there is a hell of a lot more rejection of very basic science, in rejection of evolution, the age of the earth and universe, AGW, etc. on the 'conservative' side in the US than on the 'liberal' side. Which is entirely because of 'conservatives' embracing the actually very un-conservative and radical religiously social conservatives.
So O'Reilly's beliefs may be religious, but people with those beliefs are much, much, much more likely to be conservatives than liberals in the US today.
By the way, I don't think you can say that there are people from every 'creed' that share those same religious beliefs. Creed is generally taken to mean a religious belief. What O'Reilly is espousing is actually even rejected by Catholicism, which is his own 'creed'.
I think O'Reilly's 'beliefs' on this subject are mostly "I'm never wrong" and "Shovels only dig down."
Sure. The story Charles posted before this one is more of the same.
Maybe the "Protect Life Act" will get no traction, but it doesn't change the fact that we've got a asshole like Pitts roaming around Congress for at least the next two years, wasting our time and money on bullshit like this.
It shouldn't have even made it to the printed page.
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Artist Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:21:10pm |
Mr. O'Reilly, Mars does have moons. How could you have never heard of Phobos and Deimos?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:21:34pm |
Anderson Cooper has had enough...
It is with a heavy heart that I have decided to leave #Egypt. CNN continues to have many teams in place. It was a hard decision to leave.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:22:13pm |
re: #120 ralphieboy
Only the most frothing athiest does not see that science leaves plenty of room for a First Mover.
Only the most frothing fundamentalist Biblical literalist does not see that the First Mover leaves plenty of room for science.
There absolutely is room for the First Cause. There's just no necessity for it.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:22:17pm |
re: #155 Stanley Sea
Did you see the photo of the newly weds I posted? Think on the positive side.
Great pic. I love it!
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:22:23pm |
I think the key is not to take to the podium and tell people "you there you can't believe in a god." or "you there you must believe in a god(s)." As far as fundamentalism is concerned I imagine there are a few fundamentalists or evangelists that also accept scientific topics including evolution. Yes, I'm sure that number is low. I have also encountered atheists before that believe in what I would consider unprovable negatives like UFOs or even homeopathy. Again, not many but they're out there.
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BongCrodny Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:22:24pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
BTW, I am now reading "Unseen Academicals," courtesy of your local socialist public library.
"Nation," unfortunately, remains elusive.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:23:13pm |
re: #161 Gus 802
I think the key is not to take to the podium and tell people "you there you can't believe in a god." or "you there you must believe in a god(s)." As far as fundamentalism is concerned I imagine there are a few fundamentalists or evangelists that also accept scientific topics including evolution. Yes, I'm sure that number is low. I have also encountered atheists before that believe in what I would consider unprovable negatives like UFOs or even homeopathy. Again, not many but they're out there.
Correction. Homeopathy is provable. Provable in that it is bullshit.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:23:24pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Um, okay.
Is it okay if I actually measure my enthusiasm to the extent to which their beliefs are actually rejections of science?
I agree. However, the huge numbers of American Christians who politicize their beliefs do not. Like Bill O'Reilly.
I'm lost. What do you mean by taking them on politically? Do you mean it's somehow bad to point out that the religious belief that the earth 6,000 years old is crap?
All I said and continue to say is that it is best not to politicize religious beliefs.
Spin away.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:24:02pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:24:45pm |
re: #155 Stanley Sea
Did you see the photo of the newly weds I posted? Think on the positive side.
Here is another good one:
A pic I took yesterday of Christians protecting Muslims during their prayers #jan25
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:24:47pm |
re: #150 Sergey Romanov
This reminds me of a certain Beckwith, a nasty de facto theocrat (no matter how much he pays lip service to the separation concept), he was a fellow of DI. So one day he converted (or returned) to Catholicism. Imagine the outcry from fellow fundies. His surprised reaction was funny.
A lot of fundies don't believe Catholics are Christian; we're heathens. A old cajun I knew years ago (he was old then) told the story once about his town being inundated at one point by missionaries come to convert the heathen Catholics. Emphasis on the "HEATHEN!".
On another side, you have the general poking-of-fun at anything Catholic.
In the middle, there's just regular folks like me.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:25:06pm |
re: #151 NJDhockeyfan
I doubt they are just having tea and talking about the Superbowl. I have a feeling they are planning something.
And I'm far more of an optimist. I'm not stupid enough to think it's all tea and cookies, but I'm ALSO aware that Egypt has a significant non-Muslim population that won't roll over that easily, given the events in Tahrir Square, and the general wariness that the younger generations have towards extremists.
I'm going to wait and see what happens instead of immediately assuming the worst.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:25:52pm |
re: #163 Gus 802
You mean, it is falsifiable? So according to Popperian criterion, it is science? HEAR EVERYBODY, GUS SAID HOMEOPATHY IS SCIENCE!!1
// kiddin'
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:26:03pm |
re: #165 Naso Tang
However religion most certainly is.
Which was my point. I would also add a personal activity or something one partakes for the mind (which they would consider the spirit, soul, faith, etc).
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:26:35pm |
re: #169 Sergey Romanov
You mean, it is falsifiable? So according to Popperian criterion, it is science? HEAR EVERYBODY, GUS SAID HOMEOPATHY IS SCIENCE!!1
// kiddin'
Hey! I corrected that! :)
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:27:21pm |
re: #157 SteelPH
Mr. O'Reilly, Mars does have moons. How could you have never heard of Phobos and Deimos?
They could be a GOP bumper sticker, except for that Greek thing.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:27:54pm |
re: #43 albusteve
the world is full of people like Bill...millions and millions of Bills everywhere...your friend Bill, your neighbor Bill, you son in law Bill...a veritable plethora of them...what can you do with all these Bills?
It's a philosophical divide. O'Reilly's not really interested in how the moon got there. He probably realizes that this has been explained. The early earth got sideswiped by a Mars-size planet. Our own was shocked to the core, and a considerable mass of debris was blown clear, to settle into orbit around the earth. In a replay of the same kind of condensation that produced the sun's planets, that debris sorted itself out and formed the moon.
The evidence for this is very strong. The moon is lacking in heavier elements. Lacking in iron. If it had formed from primordial collisions, it would have had its quota of iron. But as debris from the earth's crust and the impactor, it came up short. Earth's iron had largely settled to the center, which didn't get blown into orbit.
But that's not O'Reilly's point. OK, OK, he'll say, so that's how the moon got there. But how'd the sun get there? And so you explain again, and the question then would arise, how'd the Big Bang get there?
At some point, human reason runs up against questions it can't resolve, at least not yet, and the data runs out in the backward and abysm of time. There will always be such questions, even if we do answer the ones now absorbing our best efforts.
There won't be a definite scientific answer, all the way down, to O'Reilly's root question. I'm voting to let the man believe as he likes. He's not in my camp. I think he's less of a philosopher than, say, Dennett. But I figure he has a right to believe that there's a benevolent, powerful root cause. He even has a right to call me a pinhead.
It's a gentle enough insult, really. And I know better. Truth is, I'm an egghead.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:28:22pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
Um, okay.
Is it okay if I actually measure my enthusiasm to the extent to which their beliefs are actually rejections of science?
I agree. However, the huge numbers of American Christians who politicize their beliefs do not. Like Bill O'Reilly.
I'm lost. What do you mean by taking them on politically? Do you mean it's somehow bad to point out that the religious belief that the earth 6,000 years old is crap?
Sorry, my response was incomplete.
When I said take them on politically, I meant attack their politics and not their religious beliefs.
As for pointing out the earth is not 6,000 years old, I would think if that were a good idea, political candidates would have made that point in many churches (any with politically active leaderships) by now.
For some reason, they haven't.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:28:45pm |
re: #171 Gus 802
Well, I responded exactly to your correction. According to Popper, if it is falsifiable (i.e. potentially provable to be BS), it is science. And vice versa.
Not that modern philosophers of science accept this as valid ;)
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:29:53pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
I'm lost. What do you mean by taking them on politically? Do you mean it's somehow bad to point out that the religious belief that the earth 6,000 years old is crap?
I think the meaning was that it is bad to criticize their political conclusion just because they are dumb ass ignorant about science.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:30:15pm |
re: #168 Lidane
And I'm far more of an optimist. I'm not stupid enough to think it's all tea and cookies, but I'm ALSO aware that Egypt has a significant non-Muslim population that won't roll over that easily, given the events in Tahrir Square, and the general wariness that the younger generations have towards extremists.
I'm going to wait and see what happens instead of immediately assuming the worst.
Oh I don't think most Egyptians will fall for anything but I bet Mubarak thinks he can pull something over on them.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:30:28pm |
I will now dissolve this aspirin in 3 million gallons of water -- properly shaken of course -- and then sell 3.84×108 fluid ounces of Gus's Homeopathic Pain Killer™ at 5 dollars a pop.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:30:47pm |
re: #154 ralphieboy
The Pope says he sees no inherent conflict between Evolution and faith.
ID is a special form of creationism, it may include the acceptance of guided evolution (it will just say that unguided evolution is impossible).
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:31:35pm |
re: #175 Sergey Romanov
Well, I responded exactly to your correction. According to Popper, if it is falsifiable (i.e. potentially provable to be BS), it is science. And vice versa.
Not that modern philosophers of science accept this as valid ;)
It is funny that Popper's falsificationism is often taken to be well-agreed upon when people discuss what is essentially the philosophy of science outside of academic circles.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:31:46pm |
re: #174 researchok
As for pointing out the earth is not 6,000 years old, I would think if that were a good idea, political candidates would have made that point in many churches (any with politically active leaderships) by now.
For some reason, they haven't.
Because it's bad politics. That's why.
Pointing out the earth isn't 6000 years old means pointing out that young Earth Creationism is bullshit, which would mean that the faith system that many of these people subscribe to would fall apart like a house of cards in a hurricane.
You don't want to tell your most dedicated volunteers and voters that their beliefs are wrong. They'll stay home and you'll lose.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:31:49pm |
re: #175 Sergey Romanov
Well, I responded exactly to your correction. According to Popper, if it is falsifiable (i.e. potentially provable to be BS), it is science. And vice versa.
Not that modern philosophers of science accept this as valid ;)
Weird. The methods that proves it as being bullshit is science however the final results are that it's bullshit.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:31:51pm |
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
[Link: www.sandmonkey.org...] What y'all think?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:33:08pm |
re: #170 Gus 802
Which was my point. I would also add a personal activity or something one partakes for the mind (which they would consider the spirit, soul, faith, etc).
Like posting at LGF?
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:33:38pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
I will now dissolve this aspirin in 3 million gallons of water -- properly shaken of course -- and then sell 3.84×108 fluid ounces of Gus's Homeopathic Pain Killer™ at 5 dollars a pop.
Once I was at Randi's lecture in Heidelberg, and he either swallowed several packs of homeopathic pills or showed a video of this, I don't remember which. In any case, the point well illustrated.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:33:44pm |
re: #166 NJDhockeyfan
Here is another good one:
Absolutely. Tomorrow the Muslims are planning to protect the Coptics in their prayer as solidarity.
Positive thoughts. Positive.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:33:55pm |
re: #185 Sergey Romanov
Duh: sleeping pills, of course.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:34:10pm |
re: #178 Gus 802
I will now dissolve this aspirin in 3 million gallons of water -- properly shaken of course -- and then sell 3.84×108 fluid ounces of Gus's Homeopathic Pain Killer™ at 5 dollars a pop.
That's 1,920,000,000 dollars!
OK, I'm using Wolfram Alpha.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:35:00pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Weird. The methods that proves it as being bullshit is science however the final results are that it's bullshit.
Newton's laws are bullshit (unless locally), but they're science! :P
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:35:04pm |
re: #186 Stanley Sea
Absolutely. Tomorrow the Muslims are planning to protect the Coptics in their prayer as solidarity.
Positive thoughts. Positive.
Now that's 'Brotherhood'!
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:35:26pm |
re: #185 Sergey Romanov
Once I was at Randi's lecture in Heidelberg, and he either swallowed several packs of homeopathic pills or showed a video of this, I don't remember which. In any case, the point well illustrated.
Yep. I've listened to him a few times on Youtube. Most notably about homeopathic "magic".
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:35:35pm |
re: #167 reine.de.tout
A lot of fundies don't believe Catholics are Christian; we're heathens. A old cajun I knew years ago (he was old then) told the story once about his town being inundated at one point by missionaries come to convert the heathen Catholics. Emphasis on the "HEATHEN!".
On another side, you have the general poking-of-fun at anything Catholic.
In the middle, there's just regular folks like me.
My dad always said you can measure the depths of a religion by the number of people they touch.
A dinner guest had a disparaging remark about Catholics. My dad dismissed him with a wave of his hand and said, 'Do you have any idea how many mouths a day the Catholic Church feeds?'
The dinner guest was properly rebuked.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:35:47pm |
re: #183 Stanley Sea
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
[Link: www.sandmonkey.org...] What y'all think?
If anything, I am simply a promoter and a participant who is way too proud of the fact that this is a movement with no leaders or representatives. In many ways this has helped the cohesion and unity of those protests: people agreed on a set of demands that promote general democracy, accountability and freedom. Demands that promote self-governing and personal rights no matter what your ideological leanings may be. We thought that was enough, and now we are thinking it might not be after all.
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:36:08pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Weird. The methods that proves it as being bullshit is science however the final results are that it's bullshit.
Kinda confused by your phrasing here.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:36:37pm |
re: #181 Lidane
Because it's bad politics. That's why.
Pointing out the earth isn't 6000 years old means pointing out that young Earth Creationism is bullshit, which would mean that the faith system that many of these people subscribe to would fall apart like a house of cards in a hurricane.
You don't want to tell your most dedicated volunteers and voters that their beliefs are wrong. They'll stay home and you'll lose.
My point exactly.
There are lots of reasons to keep politics away from religion and vice versa.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:37:14pm |
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:37:27pm |
re: #181 Lidane
Because it's bad politics. That's why.
Pointing out the earth isn't 6000 years old means pointing out that young Earth Creationism is bullshit, which would mean that the faith system that many of these people subscribe to would fall apart like a house of cards in a hurricane.
You don't want to tell your most dedicated volunteers and voters that their beliefs are wrong. They'll stay home and you'll lose.
Why do you assume that the politician know the truth? Only atheists could be so deceitful as to lie that way.//
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:39:01pm |
re: #183 Stanley Sea
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
[Link: www.sandmonkey.org...] What y'all think?
I like that Sandmonkey recognizes the anarchic* qualities of the Egyptian uprising, such as its relatively reduced hierarchy and lack of individual leadership.
*referring to the political philosophy not to the notion of 'chaos'
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:39:13pm |
Excellent post from Sandmonkey
So here are my two cents: next time when you head to Tahrir, alongside blankets and food and medicine, please get some foldable tables, chairs, papers, pens, a laptop and a USB connection. Set up a bunch of tables and start registering the protesters. Get their names, ages, addresses & districts. Based on location, start organizing them into committees, and then have those committees elect leaders or representatives. Do the same in Alex, In Mansoura, in Suez, in every major Egyptian city in which the Protesters braved police suppression and came out in the thousands. Protect the Data with your life. Get encryption programs to ensure the security of the data. Use web-based tools like Google documents to input the data in, thus ensuring that even if your laptops get confiscated by State Security Goons, they won’t find anything on your harddrives. Have people outside of Egypt back-up your data daily on secure servers. Then, start building the structure.
And there's more.
[Link: www.sandmonkey.org...]
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:39:29pm |
OT: Well Dad has been back home for almost a week now, long enough to come up with a schedule based on his current condition, roughly it goes like this...
Note: All times are appoximate only, Nurse visits, social worker visits, Physical therapist visits, and bathing aide visits will cause delays.
9:00-9:15am--Refill Dad's water glass and pitcher with water and ice.
9:15-9:30am--Give Dad Levoxyl and Tobradex eyedrops, check Dad's overnight fasting blood sugar level.
9:30-9:45am--Fill Dad's medication cups;
Lasix, Flomax, and Colace in morning cup.
Potassium in afternoon cup.
Nexium and Pravastatin in evening cup.
10:00-10:30am--Clean Dad's front and rear, apply moisture barrier, apply hemorrhoidal ointment, change bed pad, change hospital gown.
10:30-11:00am--Feed dad breakfast.
11:15-11:30am--Assist Dad with tooth brushing.
11:30-11:45am--Give Dad morning Medications, (Lasix, Flomax, Colace).
11:45-12:00pm--Refill Dad's water glass and pitcher with water and ice.
12:00-12:15pm--Check Dad's front and rear; clean, apply moisture barrier, hemorrhoidal cream, and also change pad if needed.
12:15-12:30pm--Give Dad Milk of Magnesia dose."Free Time:" Do laundry, dishes, vacuum, clean kitchen/bathroom, etc...
1:30-1:45pm--Apply Tobradex eyedrops.
1:45-2:00pm--Give Dad an Ensure supplement drink in glass with Miralax dose mixed in."Free Time:" (See above)
2:45-3:00pm--Refill Dad's water glass and pitcher with water and ice.
3:00-3:30pm--Feed Dad Lunch
3:30-4:00pm--Check Dad's front and rear; clean, apply moisture barrier, hemorrhoidal cream, and also change pad if needed.
4:00-4:15pm--Give Dad Potassium dose."Free Time:" (See above)
5:30-5:45pm-- Apply Tobradex eye drops.
5:45-6:00pm--Refill Dad's water glass and pitcher with water and ice."Free Time:" (See above)
7:00-7:30pm--Check Dad's front and rear; clean, apply moisture barrier, hemorrhoidal cream, change pad and remake bed completely.
7:30-7:45pm--Give Dad evening medications, (Nexium, Pravastatin).
7:45-8:00pm--Feed Dad Dinner.
8:00-8:15pm--Clean Dad's tray table, get rid of Newspapers and trash.
8:15-8:30pm--Assist Dad with tooth brushing."Free Time:" (See above)
10:15-10:30pm--Refill Dad's water glass and pitcher with water and ice.
10:30-10:45pm--Check Dad's blood sugar level and give Lantus insulin injection, apply Tobradex eye drops.
10:45-11:00pm--Check Dad's front and rear; clean, apply moisture barrier, hemorrhoidal cream, and also change pad if needed.GO TO SLEEP!
I wake up completely exhausted every morning still, I'm starting to understand why all the naysayers were telling me it was too much work for one person. Still, I've been taking care of Dad (and also mom before she passed) for quite a while now. Every time before when I thought I had reached my limit on patience or endurance I still always found a way to make it through to the next day, and things (or maybe just my outlook) got better.
Besides, it actually is getting easier now that I have a plan/schedule for getting through the day and not making it up as I go along. I hired some help in the evenings too, so maybe, just maybe, I can make this work for as long as I need to...
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:40:57pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
Just that because one uses science to prove magic wrong doesn't make magic a science. I think that's what Sergey was talking about here.
Hmm, I dont think thats really what falsifiability is getting at exactly. Its more like: Theory X about magic is not a scientific theory because it is in principle not possible investigate and dissprove.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:41:12pm |
re: #199 Alexzander
I like that Sandmonkey recognizes the anarchic* qualities of the Egyptian uprising, such as its relatively reduced hierarchy and lack of individual leadership.
*referring to the political philosophy not to the notion of 'chaos'
Twelve days into a Ghandi festival is a bad time to worry about your lack of organization and firepower.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:41:17pm |
re: #201 ausador
The Good Son
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:41:23pm |
re: #195 researchok
My point exactly.
There are lots of reasons to keep politics away from religion and vice versa.
However, this is not the case. And in order to make it the case, we're going to have to point out the religion has been politicized, and that involves talking about the problems with the beliefs that reject science.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:41:50pm |
re: #200 Stanley Sea
I hope his suggestions are taken to heart.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:41:51pm |
re: #198 Gus 802
If homeopathy worked and was shown to be working, then "homeopathy works" is a scientific statement, whether we understand how it works or not.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:41:56pm |
On the nature of religion nd human nature.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:42:15pm |
re: #207 Sergey Romanov
is = would be
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:42:31pm |
re: #202 Alexzander
Hmm, I dont think thats really what falsifiability is getting at exactly. Its more like: Theory X about magic is not a scientific theory because it is in principle not possible investigate and dissprove.
It was specifically about homeopathy which can be proved wrong. Also, most magic can be proved "wrong".
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:42:45pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Weird. The methods that proves it as being bullshit is science however the final results are that it's bullshit.
Semantics problem here maybe? The scientific method has proven it to be BS.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:43:09pm |
re: #205 Obdicut
However, this is not the case. And in order to make it the case, we're going to have to point out the religion has been politicized, and that involves talking about the problems with the beliefs that reject science.
Don't look for that to happen in the near future.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:43:09pm |
re: #183 Stanley Sea
Sandmonkey Sandmonkey
[Link: www.sandmonkey.org...] What y'all think?
From there:
The Egyptian Unity Party, however, will not be a permanent structure, but rather a transitional entity with a clear and direct purpose: create the grassroots organization to take back the parliament and presidency in the next elections. Once sufficient votes and seats have been obtained, the party will amend the constitution to promote civil liberties, plurality, and truly democratic elections
His ideas are good, but they aren't achievable by September. The next election in Egypt, I think, will be followed by huge protests, because I doubt it will resemble free and fair elections enough to satisfy those who have been in Tahrir Square.
I think he should disseminate his ideas and get people working on them, and look for results in 5 to 10 years.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:44:02pm |
re: #205 Obdicut
However, this is not the case. And in order to make it the case, we're going to have to point out the religion has been politicized, and that involves talking about the problems with the beliefs that reject science.
Thing is, religion has always been politicized. See Galileo, the Crusades, the Inquisition, etc. Trying to break that cycle will take a lot of time and a lessening of religious influence in the world.
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Artist Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:44:09pm |
re: #110 Stanley Sea
AKA Fox hasn't told her what to think yet.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:44:13pm |
re: #213 wrenchwench
From there:
His ideas are good, but they aren't achievable by September. The next election in Egypt, I think, will be followed by huge protests, because I doubt it will resemble free and fair elections enough to satisfy those who have been in Tahrir Square.
I think he should disseminate his ideas and get people working on them, and look for results in 5 to 10 years.
He's got a power he never imagined. Good luck to him.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:44:37pm |
re: #162 BongCrodny
BTW, I am now reading "Unseen Academicals," courtesy of your local socialist public library.
"Nation," unfortunately, remains elusive.
Is Mr. Nutt a great character or is Mr. Nutt a great character?
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Lidane Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:44:53pm |
re: #215 SteelPH
AKA Fox hasn't told her what to think yet.
That's because they don't even know what they think yet.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:45:06pm |
re: #212 researchok
Don't look for that to happen in the near future.
Well, it is happening, but only on one side. Republicans are, at the current moment, absolutely unwilling to address the politicization of religion, for the reasons detailed above; it is part of their election strategy to politicize religion.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:45:35pm |
re: #213 wrenchwench
From there:
His ideas are good, but they aren't achievable by September. The next election in Egypt, I think, will be followed by huge protests, because I doubt it will resemble free and fair elections enough to satisfy those who have been in Tahrir Square.
I think he should disseminate his ideas and get people working on them, and look for results in 5 to 10 years.
If they don't get control of the security apparatus very soon, most of their leadership will be dead in September.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:45:37pm |
re: #210 Gus 802
Again, there is no contradiction between being wrong and being scientific - theories of old are wrong and scientific. Kelvin's estimate of the age of Earth is enormously wrong but still scientific.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:45:47pm |
re: #213 wrenchwench
From there:
His ideas are good, but they aren't achievable by September. The next election in Egypt, I think, will be followed by huge protests, because I doubt it will resemble free and fair elections enough to satisfy those who have been in Tahrir Square.
I think he should disseminate his ideas and get people working on them, and look for results in 5 to 10 years.
There is also the matter of culture change.
In that part of the world, 'strong arm' is a part of politics.
Like you say, it will take a while.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:46:40pm |
re: #221 Sergey Romanov
Again, there is no contradiction between being wrong and being scientific - theories of old are wrong and scientific. Kelvin's estimate of the age of Earth is enormously wrong but still scientific.
Or as they say on Mythbusters "Failure is always an option..."
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:47:06pm |
Late to the party tonight, but even my priest blogged about this and pointed at Bad Astronomy's page on the topic. "In the annals of those defending Christianity against the arguments of atheists, Bill O’Reilly’s is among the lamest" was how he started his page. Then again, IIUC, we Episcopalians aren't really Christians anymore because we don't fear teh Ghey :rolleyes:
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Amory Blaine Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:47:21pm |
re: #10 Stanley Sea
Why he would give Mr "Tiller the baby killer" O'Reilly the time of day much less a highly publicized interview is beyond the pale.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:47:44pm |
re: #219 Obdicut
Well, it is happening, but only on one side. Republicans are, at the current moment, absolutely unwilling to address the politicization of religion, for the reasons detailed above; it is part of their election strategy to politicize religion.
I can think of hard core dem voting blocs that are equally as religious- and equally as political.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:47:45pm |
re: #214 Lidane
Well, the Englightenment, and the Constitution, have both given us the tools to help divide religion and politics.
But the real, actual problem is not the separation of religion and politics, it is the teachings of the religions that reject science in and of themselves. It is nonsensical to think that someone can hold as true that God will not let the world flood again and so we don't have to worry about AGW, and simultaneously think that person can approach the political subject of AGW with an open mind.
Likewise, religions which say that the government should not be secular are not something that are actually compatible with the separation of religion and politics.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:48:39pm |
re: #225 Amory Blaine
Why he would give Mr "Tiller the baby killer" O'Reilly the time of day much less a highly publicized interview is beyond the pale.
Uh, yeah there's that.
The best Fox could offer to sit with the President of the United States.
LOOFAH
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:48:55pm |
re: #226 researchok
I can think of hard core dem voting blocs that are equally as religious- and equally as political.
The point isn't whether they are both religious and political, but whether their religious beliefs dictate their political ones.
But please name these hard core Dem voting blocks. I'd be very interested in hearing who they are.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:49:09pm |
re: #180 Alexzander
It is funny that Popper's falsificationism is often taken to be well-agreed upon when people discuss what is essentially the philosophy of science outside of academic circles.
Given the lack of clear and agreed-upon criterion I guess it's the best that can be used.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:49:49pm |
re: #230 Sergey Romanov
(In discussions, of course.)
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:49:58pm |
re: #220 Decatur Deb
If they don't get control of the security apparatus very soon, most of their leadership will be dead in September.
You are right. I guess what I gave was a best-case scenario. Worst-case scenarios are probably more likely, and I could come up with several. Anybody who has been hanging out in T-Square this week should watch their back for a few years, or more depending on who's in charge.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:50:02pm |
Just showing a friend the place. Don't mind me.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:50:16pm |
re: #229 Obdicut
The point isn't whether they are both religious and political, but whether their religious beliefs dictate their political ones.
But please name these hard core Dem voting blocks. I'd be very interested in hearing who they are.
In NC, the black churches are in influential voting core.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:50:26pm |
shannynmoore Shannyn Moore
@SarahPalinUSA, the only thing u have to add to #Egypt is a "How to Quit" primer for #Mubarak. Now #STFU. You're embarrassing #Alaska.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:50:42pm |
re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar
*waves*
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Lateralis Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:51:10pm |
re: #219 Obdicut
Religion continues to be politicized on both sides. You can find Republicans and Democrats that stay away from inserting religion in their politics others that do it on a routine basis. If a politician thinks it is going to help them get elected they are going to use it. It is the religious organizations that need to avoid it if possible.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:51:26pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:51:26pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:51:39pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
In addition, there is no danger, and no threat, and no problem, with people being inspired by the philosophical aspects of their faith in terms of politics. The philosophies and cultures of religions and the 'revealed truth' in religions are very different things.
A belief that science is wrong because God said so is a very, very different thing than believing that God values love of your fellow man. The latter is not a belief attendant on revealed truth, but engages with the 'spiritual' aspect that we all have. Or, to put it another way, it's not about man's relationship with the world, but his relationship with himself.
The latter can have all of the problems that any philosophy can, but it lacks the problems of the 'revealed truth' sort.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:51:45pm |
re: #221 Sergey Romanov
Again, there is no contradiction between being wrong and being scientific - theories of old are wrong and scientific. Kelvin's estimate of the age of Earth is enormously wrong but still scientific.
But that was a scientific study that was found in error. Homeopathy was not arrived at by following the modern scientific method. It could only be considered scientific in a historical sense. Much like geocentricism which was "science" per se at one time but it is not accepted "science" in modern times.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:53:58pm |
From fake Mubarak twitter
HosniMubaarak Hosni, The Mubarak!
by Sandmonkey@
@Sandmonkey Sounds like you have plan to me. Though I'll make sure that you all arrested. One-by-one.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:54:02pm |
re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just showing a friend the place. Don't mind me.
Hey, I want to thank you for an idea you gave me I stole from you. You were going to make and freeze your own burritos. I had been eating those cheap, frozen, ten-to-a-bag burritos, so I thought that was a great idea.
I never got around to making my own, but I did quit eating those crappy cheap ones and try a few other things, so thanks!
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:54:27pm |
re: #234 researchok
In NC, the black churches are in influential voting core.
And in what way do their religious beliefs affect their vote?
I think you may be mistaking what I'm saying; read my #240 to be on the safe side.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:54:44pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:55:01pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
As I wrote, falsificationism isn't really the consensual demarcation criterion (despite being popular among laymen). Moreover, it can be argued that by h-thyit is unfalsifiable, exactly because some sort of "magic" is being involved to explain away the negative results (e.g. the "skeptics' effect").
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:55:35pm |
"by h-thyi" = by now homeopathy
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:55:42pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:55:45pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
But that was a scientific study that was found in error. Homeopathy was not arrived at by following the modern scientific method. It could only be considered scientific in a historical sense. Much like geocentricism which was "science" per se at one time but it is not accepted "science" in modern times.
Sure. It kind of dates from the time of the Natural Philosophers, when throwing up ideas like Phlogiston and the Ether were 'scientific', because they were just getting this shit started. They didn't have the framework that we take for granted today.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:55:47pm |
re: #241 Gus 802
But that was a scientific study that was found in error. Homeopathy was not arrived at by following the modern scientific method. It could only be considered scientific in a historical sense. Much like geocentricism which was "science" per se at one time but it is not accepted "science" in modern times.
Absolutely.
That's why the 'New Age' and 'Mother Earth' believers for example, rely on pseudo science to legitimize their beliefs.
Like the anti vaccination types. There is a whole industry that perpetuates that dangerous drivel.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:55:55pm |
re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just showing a friend the place. Don't mind me.
How's the weather for you?
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:56:51pm |
re: #246 Obdicut
And in what way do their religious beliefs affect their vote?
I think you may be mistaking what I'm saying; read my #240 to be on the safe side.
They are reliable dem voting blocs. They see civil rights as a dem dominion.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:58:05pm |
re: #254 researchok
They are reliable dem voting blocs. They see civil rights as a dem dominion.
That isn't an answer to the question that I asked, though.
I asked how their religious beliefs affect their vote.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 4:59:26pm |
re: #252 researchok
Absolutely.
That's why the 'New Age' and 'Mother Earth' believers for example, rely on pseudo science to legitimize their beliefs.
Like the anti vaccination types. There is a whole industry that perpetuates that dangerous drivel.
Ugh. New age. Pebbles and rock gathering and people that "talk" to dogs. All for a nominal fee of course. There's a Penn and Teller episode about that rock thing. And crystals...
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:00:53pm |
"quantum" healing, "quantum" anything really...
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:00:58pm |
re: #252 researchok
Absolutely.
That's why the 'New Age' and 'Mother Earth' believers for example, rely on pseudo science to legitimize their beliefs.
Like the anti vaccination types. There is a whole industry that perpetuates that dangerous drivel.
The first is no different than any mainstream religion in the cloth it weaves. The second is either ignorance or deliberate fraud, legal or not. There is a difference between those two.
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researchok Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:01:30pm |
re: #255 Obdicut
That isn't an answer to the question that I asked, though.
I asked how their religious beliefs affect their vote.
They believe God is on the dem side and a vote for a republican goes against their beliefs.
That is less so now, as more black GOP candidates (win or lose) are coming from the African American community.
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:01:53pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:01:58pm |
re: #259 Alexzander
"quantum" healing, "quantum" anything really...
What I hate: People who say 'quantum' to mean 'really really big, extremely significant'.
"We're going to make a quantum jump here, people!"
"Ah, so the smallest possible one? Good."
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God of Binders with Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:02:00pm |
re: #121 wrenchwench
Sarah Palin: “It’s a difficult situation, this is that 3am White House phone call and it seems for many of us trying to get that information from our leader in the White House it it seems that that call went right to um the answering machine. And nobody yet has, no body yet has explained to the American public what they know, and surely they know more than the rest of us know who it is who will be taking the place of Mubarak and I'm not real enthused about what it is that that’s being done on a national level and from DC in regards to understanding all the situation there in Egypt. And in these areas that are so volatile right now because obviously it’s not just Egypt but the other countries too where we are seeing uprisings, we know that now more than ever, we need strength and sound mind there in the White House. We need to know what it is that America stands for so we know who it is that America will stand with. And we do not have all that information yet.”
THEN WHY ARE YOU COMMENTING ON IT??!!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:02:01pm |
re: #245 wrenchwench
Hey, I want to thank you for an idea
you gave meI stole from you. You were going to make and freeze your own burritos. I had been eating those cheap, frozen, ten-to-a-bag burritos, so I thought that was a great idea.I never got around to making my own, but I did quit eating those crappy cheap ones and try a few other things, so thanks!
The tortilla might be a problem with freezing and reheating. You might try making your filling of meat, beans, rice etc and freezing that in small Tupperware containers (enough for a a few burritos). Then you could just buy a package of tortillas. you could nuke a single serving of filling in the time it take you to toast a tortilla wrapper on the stove top.
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Eclectic Infidel Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:02:29pm |
From the other thread...
The actual text that allows hospitals to ignore the life saving procedure is located...under (g) Nondiscrimination on abortion?
I need a confirmation. A republican "friend" on FB insists the bill does nothing of the sort.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:03:06pm |
re: #263 Obdicut
What I hate: People who say 'quantum' to mean 'really really big, extremely significant'.
"We're going to make a quantum jump here, people!"
"Ah, so the smallest possible one? Good."
Really? My pet peeve is people that say "at the end of the day" a lot.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:03:42pm |
Because at the end of the day no matter how big a quantum leap we take in this organization...
//
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:03:48pm |
re: #263 Obdicut
What I hate: People who say 'quantum' to mean 'really really big, extremely significant'.
"We're going to make a quantum jump here, people!"
"Ah, so the smallest possible one? Good."
Well, the conceptual leap is huge, metaphorically, from billard ball-physics-style thinking. I think thats where the 'leap' part comes in.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:04:21pm |
re: #261 researchok
They believe God is on the dem side and a vote for a republican goes against their beliefs.
No, I'm sorry, I'm asking what beliefs they have that drive them to do that.
For example, someone who believes that the earth is only 6000 years old will vote for people in the GOP because many candidates in the GOP either endorse that stance or are not hostile to it, and endorse the teaching of that in schools. Someone who believes, because of religion, that evolution is bunk will vote for the GOP because they are hostile to evolution and the teaching of evolution in school. Etc.
I'm asking what religious belief the black North Carolinians have that makes them support the Democrats.
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Kronocide Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:04:25pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:05:09pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:05:28pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:06:29pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:06:56pm |
re: #271 Alexzander
I thought 'quantum leap' entered the popular vocabulary from the actual physics phenomenon of a quantum state change.
Anyway, these people know jack shit about quantum physics and they should be forced to listen to a naked Stephen Fry explain it to them.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:07:07pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:07:20pm |
re: #265 Killgore Trout
The tortilla might be a problem with freezing and reheating. You might try making your filling of meat, beans, rice etc and freezing that in small Tupperware containers (enough for a a few burritos). Then you could just buy a package of tortillas. you could nuke a single serving of filling in the time it take you to toast a tortilla wrapper on the stove top.
I thought of that too, but haven't done it yet. I only have a microwave at work. I can get good whole wheat tortillas just down the street, and if I heat them a little in the microwave, they're great. Usually I eat 'em with peanut butter, which one might think I'd get tired of, but I've been eating it almost daily since grade school.
Some day, variety!
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:07:41pm |
re: #275 NJDhockeyfan
I smell something. It's close to Irony, but not quite that.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:07:53pm |
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:08:09pm |
re: #258 BigPapa
Fucking crystals, how do they work?
Ask a Mormon. Joseph Smith used them to find buried treasure.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:08:13pm |
re: #276 Gus 802
When I worked as a sports therapist at the training hall I was fucking amazed at how superstitious all the martial artists were. They all had lucky charms and rituals and holy water and crap like that.
Guys, I don't think Jesus really cares who punches the other guy harder in the face.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:08:15pm |
re: #77 wrenchwench
It was underinflated. No doubt about it.
I raised the point at the time. No one who actually bicycles habitually would have made that mistake. He was simply photo-opping.
But there's worse. Gary Hart had himself pictured playing chess with his wife. But the pieces were set up in a position that cannot arise in a real game.
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Alexzander Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:09:00pm |
re: #278 Obdicut
“I think I can safely say that nobody understands Quantum Mechanics” - Feynman
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:09:01pm |
re: #269 Gus 802
Really? My pet peeve is people that say "at the end of the day" a lot.
Mine is Gesundheit, or the other one.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:10:49pm |
re: #285 lostlakehiker
I raised the point at the time. No one who actually bicycles habitually would have made that mistake. He was simply photo-opping.
But there's worse. Gary Hart had himself pictured playing chess with his wife. But the pieces were set up in a position that cannot arise in a real game.
Wow. Trying to look smart and blowing it is way worse than trying to look like a regular cyclist and blowing it. And Obama wasn't even trying to look like anything but a casual, recreational biker. It's just that he had a thing about tire inflation....
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:14:39pm |
re: #288 wrenchwench
Wow. Trying to look smart and blowing it is way worse than trying to look like a regular cyclist and blowing it. And Obama wasn't even trying to look like anything but a casual, recreational biker. It's just that he had a thing about tire inflation...
The great Obama/flat tire conundrum!
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:15:06pm |
re: #285 lostlakehiker
I dunno. I used to bike around on a complete fucking constant wreck of a bike because I liked it. The bike was a 3 speed stuck in 2nd gear.
Bicycling used to be just something you did by riding a bike. Now it's turned into both something people are all seeerioius about and a hipster domain at the same time.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:17:08pm |
re: #247 Amory Blaine
My mom says I'm super handsome and über cool.
:D
Funny, she says the same about me too.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:18:15pm |
re: #269 Gus 802
Really? My pet peeve is people that say "at the end of the day" a lot.
*blah blah* going forward.
*blah blah* on a forward-going basis.
*blah blah* at this time.
*blah blah* low-hanging fruit
*blah blah* process management
*blah blah* synergy
I wish I could share some of the blather that shows up in my work email. It's both amusing and frightening to realize that the company you work for (read: rely upon for enough income to avoid homelessness) really is run by Lumbergh and The Bobs.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:18:21pm |
re: #290 Obdicut
I dunno. I used to bike around on a complete fucking constant wreck of a bike because I liked it. The bike was a 3 speed stuck in 2nd gear.
Bicycling used to be just something you did by riding a bike. Now it's turned into both something people are all seeerioius about and a hipster domain at the same time.
I was quite the cyclist for a while in my early 20s. Used to be a lot of fun and I spent a lot of money on it. Met a few great cyclists. But, I also ran into a lot of serious head trips.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:20:16pm |
re: #227 Obdicut
Well, the Englightenment, and the Constitution, have both given us the tools to help divide religion and politics.
But the real, actual problem is not the separation of religion and politics, it is the teachings of the religions that reject science in and of themselves. It is nonsensical to think that someone can hold as true that God will not let the world flood again and so we don't have to worry about AGW, and simultaneously think that person can approach the political subject of AGW with an open mind.
Likewise, religions which say that the government should not be secular are not something that are actually compatible with the separation of religion and politics.
AGW won't flood the earth. So there's no scriptural basis for concluding that AGW cannot happen or that it cannot produce extensive local flooding, say, to 100 meters.
Nothing in scripture promises that we cannot bring down hard times upon ourselves by our own fecklessness. In fact, there's any number of instances of exactly that happening, recorded in the Bible.
One more such story can hardly be excluded, even if one proceeds from the somewhat batty premises that (a) scripture is all literal, and (b) that cocky guy on the stump understands scripture inside out.
He doesn't understand that the projected flooding is extensive but finite.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:22:27pm |
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RT @CarlosLatuff: (Cartoon) Muslims and Christians united for #Egypt against #Mubarak #Jan25 [Link: twitpic.com...]
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:22:40pm |
re: #292 negativ
*blah blah* going forward.
*blah blah* on a forward-going basis.
*blah blah* at this time.
*blah blah* low-hanging fruit
*blah blah* process management
*blah blah* synergyI wish I could share some of the blather that shows up in my work email. It's both amusing and frightening to realize that the company you work for (read: rely upon for enough income to avoid homelessness) really is run by Lumbergh and The Bobs.
Outside the Box.
Worse than the economic realm, military HQs are rotten with this kind of businessbabble.
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Gus Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:22:43pm |
T-shirts that said things like "friends don't let friends ride junk". Then you had the Japanese components versus Italian components cliques. Basically the Italian component guys wouldn't give you time of day if you had Japanese components. Eventually people started "buying their way" into the cycling scene. It's a lot like car clubs.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:23:52pm |
re: #290 Obdicut
I dunno. I used to bike around on a complete fucking constant wreck of a bike because I liked it. The bike was a 3 speed stuck in 2nd gear.
Bicycling used to be just something you did by riding a bike. Now it's turned into both something people are all seeerioius about and a hipster domain at the same time.
Riding a ratty, beat up bike with a rusty, un-oiled chain is one thing. Riding on a flat is another. I've had my share of laughably bad bikes, and ridden quite a bit on them.
I always liked to have air in the tires, though.
Ever gone around lake Geneva on a one-speed? The hills become real gassers.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:24:31pm |
here's something that has a certain amount of humor.
The pope can't be an organ donator because if he was, and became saint, someone could be walking around with a holy relic inside
I suppose that could be dangerous in view of its value on the relic market.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:25:33pm |
re: #297 Gus 802
T-shirts that said things like "friends don't let friends ride junk". Then you had the Japanese components versus Italian components cliques. Basically the Italian component guys wouldn't give you time of day if you had Japanese components. Eventually people started "buying their way" into the cycling scene. It's a lot like car clubs.
Does Charles still cycle? Just asking,. I've been away for a while.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:25:46pm |
re: #292 negativ
*blah blah* going forward.
*blah blah* on a forward-going basis.
*blah blah* at this time.
*blah blah* low-hanging fruit
*blah blah* process management
*blah blah* synergyI wish I could share some of the blather that shows up in my work email. It's both amusing and frightening to realize that the company you work for (read: rely upon for enough income to avoid homelessness) really is run by Lumbergh and The Bobs.
Uh oh. I used one of those (twice) in the previous thread. :(
At least it wasn't "process management". :)
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:25:53pm |
re: #294 lostlakehiker
AGW won't flood the earth. So there's no scriptural basis for concluding that AGW cannot happen or that it cannot produce extensive local flooding, say, to 100 meters.
That's fine. There are still people who reject AGW on the grounds that God said he wouldn't flood the earth again.
He doesn't understand that the projected flooding is extensive but finite.
And he never will, because he's not actually honestly assessing the science and seeing where it conflicts with his faith. He is rejecting the science a priori, almost reflexively, because it has some appearance of being in conflict with his faith.
In a way, what he's really doing is rejecting the predictive and prophylactic nature of science, much in the same way some highly religious Christians rejected insurance, in past times, as being a violation of obedience to God's plan.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:30:02pm |
re: #299 Naso Tang
here's something that has a certain amount of humor.
The pope can't be an organ donator because if he was, and became saint, someone could be walking around with a holy relic insideI suppose that could be dangerous in view of its value on the relic market.
Yeah. Imagine if you had his donated colon. Holy s***.
But give him this: it's a generous sentiment, this willingness, before his elevation to Pope, to be an organ donor. It's good of him to encourage others to do likewise. Now that the technology is maturing, a shortage of legit donations has to be a contributing factor in the rise of illegitimate methods of obtaining organs---executions, in China, and derisory payments to desperately poor people, in India.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:34:11pm |
re: #302 Obdicut
That's fine. There are still people who reject AGW on the grounds that God said he wouldn't flood the earth again.
And he never will, because he's not actually honestly assessing the science and seeing where it conflicts with his faith. He is rejecting the science a priori, almost reflexively, because it has some appearance of being in conflict with his faith.
In a way, what he's really doing is rejecting the predictive and prophylactic nature of science, much in the same way some highly religious Christians rejected insurance, in past times, as being a violation of obedience to God's plan.
Or lightning rods.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:37:23pm |
re: #283 Naso Tang
Those weren't crystals though, just normal stones designated as "seer stones".
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ozbloke Sat, Feb 5, 2011 5:45:53pm |
re: #306 Sergey Romanov
Those weren't crystals though, just normal stones designated as "seer stones".
// You obviously haven't read up on "Designating normal stones, and the power of Seer".
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BryanS Sat, Feb 5, 2011 8:41:46pm |
"Where do the tides some from? Nobody knows " :?) !!
Damn, I missed the thread about O'Reilly's science idiocy.
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spiderx Sun, Feb 6, 2011 1:12:20am |
Glenn Beck is mentally ill. Sean Hannity is just a rabid partisan. Neither have very much education and it's obvious.
But is there anybody more dishonest in the country than Bill O'reilly?
Everything about him is dishonest. His show "the spin zone" is full of spin. I'd argue no other political program in the history of television had more "spin". He calls the Daily Kos nazi's and then when John Stewart calls him on it, he does the only thing he knows how to do, he spins it as Stewart not putting his comments in context.
He calls for a boycott of France then claims that its working by citing a magazine, The Paris Business Review, that does not exist. He calls George Tiller ,"Tiller the baby killer" over and over and then claims he never said it.
This guy is the worst of the worst. A dishonest liar that has been spreading misinformation to his audience for a decade or longer.
And the President is going to sit down and do an interview with this bastard. If i were the President I'd tell them to send a real journalist. Not a man that is partly responsible for Americas polarization.
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hellosnackbar Sun, Feb 6, 2011 4:03:38am |
#all,
Has nobody ever advised Billy boy to take a few courses in say,astrophysics,or biochemistry to avoid looking like a tit.
Or is his audience composed of the educationally deficient?
On one of his shows he invited Stephen Hawking to pop round for an interview.
He clearly thinks he's much more important than Stephen;or at least of similar status.
He also sneered at Richard Dawkins suggesting that the latter made a good living from atheism.
What I can't understand is the popularity of Foxnews?
It's pitched at a lower level than even the most execrable British tabloids.
But then again the great American cynic H L Mencken answered that;
sixty or seventy years ago.
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RabbitRunner Sun, Feb 6, 2011 9:41:29am |
the Zoo Tube comments are blocked for the video but it is 207 Likes vs 6191 Dislike, or 96.8% of the viewers DISLIKED that video
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 6, 2011 12:23:33pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 6, 2011 12:25:30pm |
re: #290 Obdicut
I dunno. I used to bike around on a complete fucking constant wreck of a bike because I liked it. The bike was a 3 speed stuck in 2nd gear.
Bicycling used to be just something you did by riding a bike. Now it's turned into both something people are all seeerioius about and a hipster domain at the same time.
we have those people in Portland in spades, we also have the people in the middle who are "I bike because I have no car" and they're the normal folks on old bikes, smoking a cigarette as they ride, with a big basket to carry their sixer of pale ale
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Feb 6, 2011 12:29:28pm |
re: #299 Naso Tang
here's something that has a certain amount of humor.
The pope can't be an organ donator because if he was, and became saint, someone could be walking around with a holy relic insideI suppose that could be dangerous in view of its value on the relic market.
I smell another Davinci Code movie!
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