Koch Brothers at the Center of GOP Power

The billionaire brothers vs. the environment
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The Los Angeles Times has a very good piece on the far right ultra-wealthy Koch Brothers, and their powerful influence on the Republican Party’s major push to crush climate change legislation and hamstring the Environmental Protection Agency.

Wichita-based Koch Industries and its employees formed the largest single oil and gas donor to members of the panel, ahead of giants like Exxon Mobil, contributing $279,500 to 22 of the committee’s 31 Republicans, and $32,000 to five Democrats.

Nine of the 12 new Republicans on the panel signed a pledge distributed by a Koch-founded advocacy group — Americans for Prosperity — to oppose the Obama administration’s proposal to regulate greenhouse gases. Of the six GOP freshman lawmakers on the panel, five benefited from the group’s separate advertising and grass-roots activity during the 2010 campaign.

Claiming an electoral mandate, Republicans on the committee have launched an agenda of the sort long backed by the Koch brothers. A top early goal: restricting the reach of the Environmental Protection Agency, which oversees the Kochs’ core energy businesses.

UPDATE at 2/8/11 12:18:42 pm

Here’s an infographic showing the history of the Koch family.

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172 comments
1 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:51:24am

follow the money.

2 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:52:15am

Now we are into the heart of the plutocracy. Anyone who could possibly be deluded that the GOP cares for average Americans need only look here. These, and other souless plutocrats like them are the real masters of the GOP.

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:52:52am

Why do you hate Free Enterprise?

/

4 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:54:22am

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

Now we are into the heart of the plutocracy. Anyone who could possibly be deluded that the GOP cares for average Americans need only look here. These, and other souless plutocrats like them are the real masters of the GOP.

Lugwig, do you really believe that any politician cares for the average person?

5 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:54:27am

At this point I'd blow Soros to outspend them.

6 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:55:17am

re: #4 brookly red
I was Class President of my Junior High class and I CARED!!!

7 iossarian  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:55:31am

re: #4 brookly red

Lugwig, do you really believe that any politician cares for the average person?

There are plenty - they are just opposed by people like the Kochs.

The idea that all politicians are corrupt is false and dangerous.

8 elizajane  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:55:42am

Quick--where's the Magical Balance Fairy with some snarky words on George Soros? I mean, it's just the same, right? The Kochs just have a profound personal belief in the social benefits of deregulation.
/

9 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:55:46am

re: #5 theheat

At this point I'd blow Soros to outspend them.

/the line forms, uhhh to the left.

10 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:55:58am

There are no corporate interests in the Tea Party movement.

/

11 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 11:58:07am

re: #2 LudwigVanQuixote

Now we are into the heart of the plutocracy. Anyone who could possibly be deluded that the GOP cares for average Americans need only look here. These, and other souless plutocrats like them are the real masters of the GOP.

If their followers don't like being called Teabaggers...

12 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:00:32pm

re: #7 iossarian

There are plenty - they are just opposed by people like the Kochs.

The idea that all politicians are corrupt is false and dangerous.

I will admit it is dangerous, as far as false well, show me.

13 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:01:37pm

This just in:

LA Times has just been bought by Koch Enterprises, and is issuing a retraction on this article. /

14 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:02:21pm

re: #13 Fozzie Bear

This just in:

LA Times has just been bought by Koch Enterprises, and is issuing a retraction on this article. /

David Horowitz demands that Charles Johnson issues an apology to the Koch brothers!

//

15 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:02:38pm

re: #12 brookly red

I will admit it is dangerous, as far as false well, show me.

Millicent Fenwick. If I find another, will you spare the city?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

16 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:02:54pm

The Tea Party are the serfs to the Koch's robber barons.

17 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:03:17pm

re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Tea Party are the serfs to the Koch's robber barons.

Accurate.

18 Fenris  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:03:22pm

Would it be too childish at this point to use the term Kochsuckers?

19 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:03:58pm

re: #18 fenrisdesigns
DING...and Yes..LOL

20 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:04:16pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Millicent Fenwick. If I find another, will you spare the city?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

phuc! do you what it costs to fuel these things?

21 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:04:20pm

re: #18 fenrisdesigns

Would it be too childish at this point to use the term Kochsuckers?

And instead of the Tea Party drinking the Kool Aid they're snorting Kochaine.

//

22 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:04:51pm

This shitwreck brought to you by the Citizens United decision.

Lets not forget how this sort of thing became legal.

23 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:05:20pm

re: #21 Gus 802

And instead of the Tea Party drinking the Kool Aid they're snorting Kochaine.

//

Remember that line in Bob Roberts?

"Don't do crack, kids, it's a ghetto drug."

24 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:05:57pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

This shitwreck brought to you by the Citizens United decision.

Lets not forget how this sort of thing became legal.

If corporations were meant to be people then BP would be doing hard time for littering on an epic scale....

25 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:07:03pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

If corporations were meant to be people then BP would be doing hard time for littering on an epic scale...

This time corporations can get to be just like people only without the personal accountability.

No, wait...

26 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:07:25pm

The Koch brothers have a long history of evil. They have always felt that their wealth makes them some sort of master. Of course, they pay enough money to astro turf enough on the one side and buy enough politicians outright on the other, and they do have all sorts of unelected, self serving and tyranical power over America.

Unfortunately, there are lots of very dumb and very ignorant Americans, that are easily led by the same messages that Hitler used to stoke the fears of the Germans. Because of this, monsters like the Koch brothers flourish.

27 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:07:59pm

"If stupid got us into this mess,then why can't it get us out"
..Will Rogers

28 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:08:22pm

re: #23 iceweasel

Remember that line in Bob Roberts?

"Don't do crack, kids, it's a ghetto drug."

It's been years since I've seen that movie but that sound about right. Do cocaine instead! Remember when it was considered the drug of choice for the movers and shakers on Wall Street? Still is in some circles. Yep, "greed is good" and do a couple of lines of coke.

29 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:08:25pm

If corporations are people, then should there not be a death penalty for corporations that get people killed by knowingly taking risks with people's lives for profit?

30 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:09:31pm

re: #28 Gus 802

It's been years since I've seen that movie but that sound about right. Do cocaine instead! Remember when it was considered the drug of choice for the movers and shakers on Wall Street? Still is in some circles. Yep, "greed is good" and do a couple of lines of coke.

Kudlow!

31 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:09:33pm

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

Unfortunately, there are lots of very dumb and very ignorant Americans, that are easily led by the same messages that Hitler used to stoke the fears of the Germans. Because of this, monsters like the Koch brothers flourish.

They picked "The Tea Party" because the Bund had already been used.

32 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:09:34pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

This shitwreck brought to you by the Citizens United decision.

Lets not forget how this sort of thing became legal.

Indeed, nothing like packing the court with activist judges who legislate from the bench. The projection of the wingnuts is the thing that adds insult to injury.

33 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:10:00pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They picked "The Tea Party" because the Bund had already been used.

LOL so true.

34 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:10:01pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

If corporations are people, then should there not be a death penalty for corporations that get people killed by knowingly taking risks with people's lives for profit?

well we gotta drive something.

35 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:10:04pm

re: #25 Gus 802

This time corporations can get to be just like people only without the personal accountability.

No, wait...

If corporations were people they wouldn't have consciences or empathy.

Oh yeah.....

36 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:10:25pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

This shitwreck brought to you by the Citizens United decision.

Lets not forget how this sort of thing became legal.

Citizens United. Hmmm, that's like Anonymous codified into law by way of the SCOTUS. They get to remain anonymous behind a veil of contributory secrecy. Not much difference is there? I mean, CU means the ability to remain anonymous.

37 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:10:25pm

re: #26 LudwigVanQuixote

The Koch brothers have a long history of evil.

Here it is in picture form.

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:11:34pm

re: #4 brookly red

Lugwig, do you really believe that any politician cares for the average person?

The one I know did, a US Senator, got voted out last fall for a teabagger.

39 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:11:49pm

re: #36 Gus 802

Citizens United. Hmmm, that's like Anonymous codified into law by way of the SCOTUS. They get to remain anonymous behind a veil of contributory secrecy. Not much difference is there? I mean, CU means the ability to remain anonymous.

It would be like what would happen if we woke up tomorrow and suddenly, Anon owned 90% of the planet's wealth, and decided to prank us all with it.

40 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:12:31pm

re: #4 brookly red

Lugwig, do you really believe that any politician cares for the average person?

Do you really believe that any conservative cares about anybody but themselves?

41 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:12:33pm

re: #32 LudwigVanQuixote

Indeed, nothing like packing the court with activist judges who legislate from the bench. The projection of the wingnuts is the thing that adds insult to injury.

They only legislate from the bench when we don't like it. Otherwise, they're teaching those damn liberals what the Constitution really says.

42 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:12:46pm

re: #35 iceweasel

If corporations were people they wouldn't have consciences or empathy.

Oh yeah...

Just pay them lip service and say something like "well if corporations are like people then all they have to do is take personal responsibility"!

Yep, that's all it takes. Make corporations pledge to take personal responsibility and you can get rid of the EPA, etc. Why does that sound familiar?

43 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:12:49pm

re: #11 publicityStunted

If their followers don't like being called Teabaggers...

I've said it before and I will say it again. Teabagger is the perfect imagery for the movement. Fat, sweaty corporate dude want America on its back, so we can lick his vinegary balls, and the teabaggers in the movement who have been brainwashed are the happy little playthings doing the licking.

44 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:13:35pm

re: #39 Fozzie Bear

It would be like what would happen if we woke up tomorrow and suddenly, Anon owned 90% of the planet's wealth, and decided to prank us all with it.

They already do. Anonymous Corporations that is.

45 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:14:08pm

re: #35 iceweasel

If corporations were people they wouldn't have consciences or empathy.

Oh yeah...

Weyland-Yutani

Building Better Worlds

46 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:14:10pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

I've said it before and I will say it again. Teabagger is the perfect imagery for the movement. Fat, sweaty corporate dude want America on its back, so we can lick his vinegary balls, and the teabaggers in the movement who have been brainwashed are the happy little playthings doing the licking.

They think if they suck hard enough, some of it will trickle down into their pleading, starving mouths. Supplicants and smacked asses, all.

47 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:14:12pm

re: #37 publicityStunted

Here it is in picture form.

This is fantastic. You must make this into a web page of its own.

Actually Charles, PLEASE make this its own thread.

48 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:14:16pm

re: #28 Gus 802

It's been years since I've seen that movie but that sound about right. Do cocaine instead! Remember when it was considered the drug of choice for the movers and shakers on Wall Street? Still is in some circles. Yep, "greed is good" and do a couple of lines of coke.

yep.

49 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:14:56pm

re: #39 Fozzie Bear

It would be like what would happen if we woke up tomorrow and suddenly, Anon owned 90% of the planet's wealth, and decided to prank us all with it.


Except that if it was Annon not BP that had caused the oil spill this summer we wouldn't have needed to hold their feet to the fire to make them hand over the $20 bill, a picture of an oil soaked kitten would have been enough...

50 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:15:45pm

re: #40 recusancy

Do you really believe that any conservative cares about anybody but themselves?

LOL given what the word "conservative" means today, no I do not. In fact I think it means souless greedy, evil follower of Sodom and Amalek.

51 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:15:54pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Weyland-Yutani

Building Better Worlds

Aperture Science

We do what we must because we can.

52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:15:54pm

People need to understand that for all of George Soros' political contributions, he's a piker compared to the Koch family.

53 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:16:13pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

I've said it before and I will say it again. Teabagger is the perfect imagery for the movement. Fat, sweaty corporate dude want America on its back, so we can lick his vinegary balls, and the teabaggers in the movement who have been brainwashed are the happy little playthings doing the licking.

I'm going to repost this again from simoom. Here's 25 of those lickers:

54 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:16:17pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

A little fore sight ...maybe they would have picked a different name...
But...it is what it is...LOL

55 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:16:22pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Weyland-Yutani

Building Better Worlds

The Shinra Electric Power Company...


Too amazing to actually bother with having a motto!

56 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:17:16pm

re: #48 iceweasel

yep.

[Video]

I love that song. Teabaggers have it all though. I mean, they're all rich and have their own private health insurance and none of them collect Social Security (voluntarily) nor Medicaid and Medicare. They all live government free lives from the toil of their labor and knowledge and the wealth they amassed through their own intellectual and educational fortitude.

//

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:17:35pm

re: #52 Charles

People need to understand that for all of George Soros' political contributions, he's a piker compared to the Koch family.

Did you see Publicity Stunted's #37?

58 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:17:36pm

re: #55 jamesfirecat

The Shinra Electric Power Company...


Too amazing to actually bother with having a motto!

The megacorp EES

Everything Except Shoes

59 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:17:52pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Weyland-Yutani

Building Better Worlds

Good reference.

60 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:18:29pm

re: #43 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

OK, interesting wold view there...

61 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:19:47pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The megacorp EES

Everything Except Shoes

The Crimson Corporation

Have you earned your air today?

62 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:19:57pm

OCP

63 S'latch  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:20:18pm

"each worth $21.5 billion"

There is hardly a limit to what can be bought if you have that much money.

64 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:20:42pm

re: #56 Gus 802

I love that song. Teabaggers have it all though. I mean, they're all rich and have their own private health insurance and none of them collect Social Security (voluntarily) nor Medicaid and Medicare. They all live government free lives from the toil of their labor and knowledge and the wealth they amassed through their own intellectual and educational fortitude.

//

Some more!

65 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:20:50pm

Teabaggers like to think of themselves as John Galt but they couldn't even invent a bone tool or a fire bow.

/

66 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:21:47pm

re: #63 Lawrence Schmerel

"each worth $21.5 billion"

There is hardly a limit to what can be bought if you have that much money.

Well by that logic, can President Koch be far off?

67 jaunte  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:22:14pm
Last year, Forbes magazine listed the brothers as the nation's fifth-richest people, each worth $21.5 billion.


Class warfare!

68 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:22:26pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Teabaggers like to think of themselves as John Galt but they couldn't even invent a bone tool or a fire bow.

/

Their idea of "going Galt" consists in living in a man-cave in their mom's basement while she brings them cheesy-poofs.

69 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:22:40pm

re: #60 brookly red

re: #46 Fozzie Bear

OK, interesting wold view there...

Seriously, people who vote for hardline right wing policies who aren't themselves wealthy are mostly doing so based on a delusion sold to them over and over: If we cut taxes for the extremely rich just a little more, maybe they'll create some jobs for me. There's always more we can give them, right? Maybe if we are really really good, they might pay us something above minimum wage, out of appreciation for our sacrifice.

And when it fails to pan out, clearly, it's the fault of liberals. They just wouldn't let us cut taxes enough, the bastards.

70 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:23:06pm

re: #66 brookly red

Well by that logic, can President Koch be far off?

David Koch ran in 1980.
Platform?
Getting rid of Social Security, minimum wage laws and corporate taxes.

71 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:23:46pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

David Koch ran in 1980.
Platform?
Getting rid of Social Security, minimum wage laws and corporate taxes.

He also won 1% of the vote. If he ran now, he'd get 30%, easy.

72 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:23:51pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

David Koch ran in 1980.
Platform?
Getting rid of Social Security, minimum wage laws and corporate taxes.

Really? I did not know that...

73 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:24:14pm

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, people who vote for hardline right wing policies who aren't themselves wealthy are mostly doing so based on a delusion sold to them over and over: If we cut taxes for the extremely rich just a little more, maybe they'll create some jobs for me. There's always more we can give them, right? Maybe if we are really really good, they might pay us something above minimum wage, out of appreciation for our sacrifice.

And when it fails to pan out, clearly, it's the fault of liberals. They just wouldn't let us cut taxes enough, the bastards.

"Most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor."

-John Dickinson 1776...

74 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:24:19pm

re: #37 publicityStunted

Thanks--bookmarked.

75 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:24:24pm

re: #63 Lawrence Schmerel

"each worth $21.5 billion"

There is hardly a limit to what can be bought if you have that much money.

76 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:24:29pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Teabaggers like to think of themselves as John Galt but they couldn't even invent a bone tool or a fire bow.

/

I'll admit thought that they are able to go to Costco© and get a 55 gallon jug of Miracle Whip™, 100 pounds of Cheetos ™, more bullets for their guns*, and 1200 pounds of Survival Seeds ™.

//

*Obama and the UN are coming for yer gunz!!11ty

77 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:24:47pm

re: #70 Varek Raith

David Koch ran in 1980.
Platform?
Getting rid of Social Security, minimum wage laws and corporate taxes.

Quoth the Wiki:

Koch was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential candidate in the 1980 presidential election, sharing the party ticket with presidential candidate Ed Clark. The Clark–Koch ticket promised to abolish Social Security, the Federal Reserve Board, welfare, minimum-wage laws, corporate taxes, all price supports and subsidies for agriculture and business, and U.S. Federal agencies including the SEC, EPA, ICC, FTC, OSHA, FBI, CIA, and DOE.[2][11] The ticket proposed legalization of prostitution, recreational drugs, and suicide.[2] The ticket received 921,128 votes, 1.06% of the total nationwide vote,[12] the Libertarian Party national ticket's best showing to date.[13]
78 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:24:50pm

re: #52 Charles

I'm not saying I was eager to accommodate him, only that I would for my country.
//

Looking back, I've probably done worse for less payoff.

79 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:25:11pm

re: #73 jamesfirecat

"Most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor."

-John Dickinson 1776...

/phuc you I am still going to buy a Powerball ticket.

80 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:25:19pm

Three rousing rahs and a few hussahs
And a hip-hip-hip hooray
What's good for Dave and Charlie Koch
Is good for the U.S.A.

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:25:31pm

re: #77 talon_262

Quoth the Wiki:

Huh, thought it was pres.
Thanks!

82 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:25:41pm

re: #71 Fozzie Bear

He also won 1% of the vote. If he ran now, he'd get 30%, easy.

Probably closer to 50 percent.

83 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:25:47pm

re: #68 iceweasel

Their idea of "going Galt" consists in living in a man-cave in their mom's basement while she brings them cheesy-poofs.

Cheesy poofs and lemonade!

"Mom, can you bring me down some more lemonade?!"

/

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:25:52pm

By the way and for the record, there are few groups of pseudo-intellectuals with a worse history of the most disgusting views than the Cato institute - which Koch brothers brought into existence.

The Cato Institute is an essay on greed above and beyond all else that would be a dissertation in length. They are the intellectual wing of Fox News sorts in a party information ministry kind of way.

85 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:26:15pm

re: #71 Fozzie Bear

He also won 1% of the vote. If he ran now, he'd get 30%, easy.

Well he certainly paid for it.

86 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:26:34pm

re: #69 Fozzie Bear

Seriously, people who vote for hardline right wing policies who aren't themselves wealthy are mostly doing so based on a delusion sold to them over and over: If we cut taxes for the extremely rich just a little more, maybe they'll create some jobs for me. There's always more we can give them, right? Maybe if we are really really good, they might pay us something above minimum wage, out of appreciation for our sacrifice.

And when it fails to pan out, clearly, it's the fault of liberals. They just wouldn't let us cut taxes enough, the bastards.

Indeed. If I hear another person mention the laffer curve and assume that we are currently to the right of the apex, I think I'm going to hurl.

87 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:27:03pm

re: #82 Walter L. Newton

Probably closer to 50 percent.

51% could do it...

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:27:35pm

Don't forget folks. Papa Koch, Fred, was a founding member of the John Birch Society.

89 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:27:56pm

re: #87 brookly red

51% could do it...

Heh. I'd be in Ireland with my entire family before the swearing in.

90 zora  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:28:03pm

re: #54 reloadingisnotahobby

not to mention the offense to actual teabaggers. there is nothing hateful about teabagging. not if it's done right.

91 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:28:37pm

re: #87 brookly red

51% could do it...

Tell that to Al Gore...

92 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:28:42pm

re: #90 zora

not to mention the offense to actual teabaggers. there is nothing hateful about teabagging. not if it's done right.

Indeed. It's a loving gesture of salty bliss.

93 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:29:21pm

re: #90 zora

Teabaggers done right? Are these the ones too obtuse to know the majority are doing it wrong, but still support them and their candidates?

I've never been impressed with a herd mentality.

94 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:29:23pm

re: #90 zora

not to mention the offense to actual teabaggers. there is nothing hateful about teabagging. not if it's done right.

re: #92 Fozzie Bear

Indeed. It's a loving gesture of salty bliss.

*Slowly backs away*

95 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:29:24pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

Huh, thought it was pres.
Thanks!

It also shows that the krayzee stretches back a looooong way. They've been playing the long strategy...and it's starting to bear fruit, to America's detriment.

96 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:29:42pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Teabaggers like to think of themselves as John Galt but they couldn't even invent a bone tool or a fire bow.

/

The Smithsonian has the most brilliant and evil device made by man--a wolf trap made by one of the Eskimo groups. You don't want a description.

97 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:29:44pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

Tell that to Al Gore...

/please no one can tell Al nothing.

98 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:30:14pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Don't forget folks. Papa Koch, Fred, was a founding member of the John Birch Society.

The nuts don't fall far from the tree...

99 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:30:24pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

The Smithsonian has the most brilliant and evil device made by man--a wolf trap made by one of the Eskimo groups. You don't want a description.

I do!

100 zora  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:31:12pm

re: #93 theheat

Teabaggers done right? Are these the ones too obtuse to know the majority are doing it wrong, but still support them and their candidates?

I've never been impressed with a herd mentality.

different kind of teabagger.

101 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:31:16pm

re: #94 Varek Raith

re: #92 Fozzie Bear

*Slowly backs away*

You're next!!!

*zzzzzip*

102 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:31:27pm

re: #92 Fozzie Bear

Indeed. It's a loving gesture of salty bliss.

THATS WHAT SHE SAID!

103 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:31:42pm

re: #97 brookly red

/please no one can tell Al nothing.

Looks like Olbermann will be calling some of the shots at Gore's cable channel.

104 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:32:26pm

re: #100 zora

Oh, that kind. Carry on.

(I wish I could find the Adam Sandler clip about old man's balls.)

105 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:32:45pm

re: #88 Gus 802

Don't forget folks. Papa Koch, Fred, was a founding member of the John Birch Society.

That's right, and the family money came from Dad's work with Joseph Stalin, building energy plants for the commies.

106 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:33:27pm

re: #105 Charles

That's right, and the family money came from Dad's work with Joseph Stalin, building energy plants for the commies.

Irony meter just atomized...

107 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:33:36pm

re: #105 Charles

That's right, and the family money came from Dad's work with Joseph Stalin, building energy plants for the commies.

Wait, what!

Now my brain hurts.

108 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:33:45pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

Looks like Olbermann will be calling some of the shots at Gore's cable channel.

hey, why not?

109 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:34:16pm

re: #105 Charles

That's right, and the family money came from Dad's work with Joseph Stalin, building energy plants for the commies.

Irony... no, make that hypocricy. But that's the way the Koch's have always played. Tomorrow the Koch brother will be invited to the Met.

110 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:35:15pm

re: #103 Walter L. Newton

"I have to go with 'only gonna get creepier' on that one for $500, Alex."

111 boredtechindenver  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:35:22pm

re: #45 Varek Raith

Weyland-Yutani

Building Better Worlds

Veridian Dynamics: When Presidents talk, Americans get hurt


112 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:35:54pm

re: #110 theheat

"I have to go with 'only gonna get creepier' on that one for $500, Alex."

Why's that creepy?

113 Girth  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:35:55pm

re: #105 Charles

That's right, and the family money came from Dad's work with Joseph Stalin, building energy plants for the commies.

Apparently it's ok to work for the commies if they pay you.

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:37:21pm

re: #113 Girth

Apparently it's ok to work for the commies if they pay you.

Image: File:Yalta_summit_1945_with_Churchill,_Roosevelt,_Stalin.jpg

115 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:37:41pm

re: #113 Girth

Apparently it's ok to work for the commies if they pay you.

If they pay you, they're capitalists!

116 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:38:27pm

re: #112 recusancy

Olbermann, left to his own devices, can take creepy, snotty, and hysterical to new heights. He isn't always necessarily wrong, but he can really hang it out there and make a valid point unpalatable to its detriment.

117 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:39:52pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Image: File:Yalta_summit_1945_with_Churchill,_Roosevelt,_ Stalin.jpg

Actually, when you see FDR there you're seeing the USA. It's not an individual, FDR or Koch. Remember now that corporations are in fact "people" per the SCOTUS. So when Koch made a deal with the Soviets it was a personal deal. Presidents don't make personal deals since they represent the wish of the people of the USA. Another thing too is that the Soviets didn't "pay us" in WWII. We paid them.

118 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:40:27pm

re: #105 Charles

That's right, and the family money came from Dad's work with Joseph Stalin, building energy plants for the commies.

/it was a 60's thing... they were just bringing power to the people.

119 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:40:49pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Actually, when you see FDR there you're seeing the USA. It's not an individual, FDR or Koch. Remember now that corporations are in fact "people" per the SCOTUS. So when Koch made a deal with the Soviets it was a personal deal. Presidents don't make personal deals since they represent the wish of the people of the USA. Another thing too is that the Soviets didn't "pay us" in WWII. We paid them.

That's nice.

120 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:40:53pm

re: #118 brookly red

/it was a 60's thing... they were just bringing power to the people.

30's thing, actually.
;)

121 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:42:17pm

So when Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein and the Reagan administration supplied Hussein with chemical weapons it represented the will of the people.

//

122 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:43:37pm

re: #121 Gus 802

So when Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein and the Reagan administration supplied Hussein with chemical weapons it represented the will of the people.

//

That was an unknown unknown!
/

123 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:43:55pm

Nice? Nice? I'll tell you what's not nice. It's 4 degrees out there and I might walk to the store. Two blocks. Think I'll make it without freezing over and falling dead to the ground?

//

124 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:44:03pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

That was an unknown unknown!
/

ya know

125 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:44:12pm

re: #121 Gus 802

Very good point, Gus. When we first landed in Iraq I watched a CNN special on late, late one night, talking about who was affected by those US chemical weapons.

Not pretty. Not something a legacy should ignore. Not something to be forgotten.

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:44:51pm

re: #111 boredtechindenver

Veridian Dynamics: When Presidents talk, Americans get hurt

[Video]

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Where the future begins tomorrow

127 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:45:08pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Nice? Nice? I'll tell you what's not nice. It's 4 degrees out there and I might walk to the store. Two blocks. Think I'll make it without freezing over and falling dead to the ground?

//

got long johns?

128 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:45:19pm

re: #121 Gus 802

So when Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein and the Reagan administration supplied Hussein with chemical weapons it represented the will of the people.

//

I saw a Rumsfeld interview last night on ABC. He's still an insufferable asshole.

129 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:46:55pm

re: #127 brookly red

got long johns?

Nope. I should be OK. It's really not very far. Two blocks.

130 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:46:57pm

re: #123 Gus 802

Nice? Nice? I'll tell you what's not nice. It's 4 degrees out there and I might walk to the store. Two blocks. Think I'll make it without freezing over and falling dead to the ground?

//

It's one degree up here, and there is climate change all over the place. We went down into east Denver last night to go to a Ethiopian restaurant for a birthday dinner... and it was a white out coming back up the hill... blizzard conditions.

131 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:47:20pm

re: #128 recusancy

It might be simpler to count how many insufferable assholes ceased being so.

There was this one... oh, wait. Never mind. I can't think of any.

132 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:48:19pm

re: #131 theheat

It might be simpler to count how many insufferable assholes ceased being so.

There was this one... oh, wait. Never mind. I can't think of any.

True but you'd think there would be some humility at some point.

133 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:49:40pm

re: #129 Gus 802

Nope. I should be OK. It's really not very far. Two blocks.

don't forget the TP...

134 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:49:57pm

re: #132 recusancy

True but you'd think there would be some humility at some point.

Why should it be any different in the big wide world when we see the same thing here on a micro level. Real up.

135 Gus  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:50:46pm

OK, back later. If I don't come back bury my computer at sea.

//

136 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:51:01pm

re: #133 brookly red

don't forget the TP...

We don't use TP here in the west... just rub our butts up against a tree.

137 recusancy  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:51:13pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Why should it be any different in the big wide world when we see the same thing here on a micro level. Real up.

Because your's and my assholery don't cost lives.

138 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:51:14pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Why should it be any different in the big wide world when we see the same thing here on a micro level. Real up.

damit I wanted fries with that!

139 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:51:16pm

re: #135 Gus 802

OK, back later. If I don't come back bury my computer at sea.

//

How about a funeral pyre?

140 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:51:53pm

re: #139 talon_262

How about a funeral pyre?

Viking ship, that way you get both.

141 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:01pm

re: #135 Gus 802

OK, back later. If I don't come back bury my computer at sea.

//

I think that would violate the Clean Water Act.

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:04pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

We don't use TP here in the west... just rub our butts up against a tree.

Given the tendancy for western trees to be varieties of pine (ponderosa, lodgepole, etc.) that could get pretty sticky...

143 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:05pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

We don't use TP here in the west... just rub our butts up against a tree.

Use the ponderosa pines...they smell nice.

///

144 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:28pm

re: #139 talon_262

How about a funeral pyre?

Clean Air Act.

145 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:35pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

We don't use TP here in the west... just rub our butts up against a tree.

right, I read about that some where... the moss grows on the south side, right?

146 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:48pm

re: #142 oaktree

Given the tendancy for western trees to be varieties of pine (ponderosa, lodgepole, etc.) that could get pretty sticky...

You saying he might glue his asshole shut?

'=P

147 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:52:54pm

re: #135 Gus 802

OK, back later. If I don't come back bury my computer at sea.

//

Wounded Knee??
/

148 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:53:11pm

re: #145 brookly red

right, I read about that some where... the moss grows on the south side, right?

North... come on... I learned that in boy scouts... in BROOKLYN.

149 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:53:28pm

re: #142 oaktree

Given the tendancy for western trees to be varieties of pine (ponderosa, lodgepole, etc.) that could get pretty sticky...

Please don't say "lodgepole" in this context.

Thank you.

150 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:53:32pm

re: #142 oaktree

Given the tendancy for western trees to be varieties of pine (ponderosa, lodgepole, etc.) that could get pretty sticky...

What about a Joshua Tree?

151 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:53:45pm

No mention of the Koch family history with the John Birch society. Bummer.

152 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:54:18pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

North... come on... I learned that in boy scouts... in BROOKLYN.

hey, your the one with a tree up yer butt...

153 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:55:28pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

North... come on... I learned that in boy scouts... in BROOKLYN.

A Tree Grows in Brooklyn(?)

;-P

154 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:55:38pm

re: #142 oaktree

Western red cedars full of squirrels. Squirrels are soft and fluffy on your bottom.

155 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:55:54pm

re: #154 theheat

NOT gerbils.

156 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:56:24pm

re: #155 theheat

NOT gerbils.

too late, your busted.

157 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:56:37pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Better that than cacti! Even if the cactus is from Joshua Tree NP.

158 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:56:41pm

re: #154 theheat

Western red cedars full of squirrels. Squirrels are soft and fluffy on your bottom.

I know some folk that have turned their butt into an animal sanctuary for small furry creatures.

159 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:57:29pm

Hey all!

How is the afternoon going?

160 Kragar  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:57:29pm

And now, straight to the punchline theater;

So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.

161 theheat  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:57:31pm

re: #156 brookly red

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

I knew that left the back door wide open.

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:58:03pm

Armageddon

163 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:58:06pm

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

I know some folk that have turned their butt into an animal sanctuary for small furry creatures.

Gus, if you haven't left yet, don't forget the duct tape...

164 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:58:39pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

We don't use TP here in the west... just rub our butts up against a tree.

corn husks!

165 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:59:22pm

re: #160 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And now, straight to the punchline theater;

So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.

and the rabbit whips out his Glock...

166 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 1:01:06pm

I get a kick out of my husky... we have about a foot of snow outside, and he's in the yard, sitting in a "den" of snow he kicked out, curled up, watching over his "domain" happy as shit. It's 1 degree (f) outside. "You want me to pull you in a sled... yep... I can pull you in a sled."

167 charlz  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 1:01:23pm

re: #134 Walter L. Newton

Why should it be any different in the big wide world when we see the same thing here on a micro level. Real up.

McNamara is an instructive example of someone who learned some valuable lessons.

168 brookly red  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 1:02:10pm

beer run...

169 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 1:04:35pm

re: #164 ggt

Three Sea Shells.

170 palomino  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 1:30:48pm

re: #52 Charles

People need to understand that for all of George Soros' political contributions, he's a piker compared to the Koch family.

But he's a conservative, so it's OK.

Just like it was OK for Laura Bush to have a pet project (literacy) but it's not OK for Michelle Obama to simply suggest that obese Americans try to eat healthier food. Also, just like it was OK for Bush to not wear a tie at all times, but when Obama takes off the tie, he's insulting the office of the the president and every inhabitant thereof going back to George Washington.

So boring and now so predictable.

171 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 4:35:04pm

re: #5 theheat

At this point I'd blow Soros to outspend them.

The hypocrisy is that Soros is made to be funding all kinds of leftist skulduggery, yet if some good ol' oil boys fund mass propaganda it's quite alright.

This will be my new Troll Hammer any time I hear any Soros BS.

172 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 8, 2011 10:14:32pm

re: #171 BigPapa

The hypocrisy is that Soros is made to be funding all kinds of leftist skulduggery, yet if some good ol' oil boys fund mass propaganda it's quite alright.

This will be my new Troll Hammer any time I hear any Soros BS.

The difference is Soros is Jewish.


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