Tim Pawlenty Endorses Another Anti-Gay Hate Group

The smiling face of the fanatical religious right
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LGF author freetoken has an excellent Page on Republican Presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty, the smiling, affable face of the extreme religious right, as he endorses the positions of yet another rabid anti-gay hate group with “family” in its name, The Family Leader: Pawlenty Boasts His Creationist, Anti-Gay Credentials In Iowa Tour.

As I’ve discussed several times now, Vander Plaats heads a group called The Family Leader, itself a new repackaging of the previous groups such as The Iowa Family Policy Center. Vander Plaats and the IFPC led the recall of 3 Iowa Supreme Court justices because they dared to rule, in what scholars agree is an accurate reading of the Iowa Constitution, that it was unconstitutional to forbid gay marriage according to the Iowa Constitution. This forcing out of Supreme Court justices not for any misconduct on the part of the justices but because of religious beliefs is unprecedented, and it really deserves more attention. I consider it the first real successful step towards theocracy.

Anyway, the IFPC (now organizationally a subset of The Family Leader) not only campaigned against the justices. It has been promoting a bigoted, anti-gay campaign that compares exposing children to homosexuality as being worse than second-hand smoke exposure. …

But wait, there’s more!

At the IFPC Blog one can learn even more about what interests the IFPC, such as which blogs they like, found under “My Blog List”. It has only 5 entries - 3 religious blogs, a conservative news org, and…. get this - The Shrieking Harpy herself! That’s right, the IFPC blog luvs them some Pamela Geller. (Yes I have a screen shot should the IFPC try to deny it some day.)

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130 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:36:13am

As I said in the other discussion, I find it very sad that in order to make your bonafides with Iowa Republicans that you have to go as anti gay as possible. And Pawlenty knows damn well that the founders nor the founding documents say crap about gays or gay marriage. I have little doubt that people like him would have been just fine with prohibiting people of different races to marry if they had political power back then. And it seems to me any group with the word "family" in it is rabidly anti gay. The guy who said gay marriage was more dangerous than smoking is a total tool.

2 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:40:00am

Dear GOP,

You're making it very easy for me not to vote for you.

Signed,
Moderate-evil Sith Lord

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:41:48am

I'm not a fan of Barry Goldwater, but there isn't a single GOP politician today who would stand up to the Bible-beaters like he did.

4 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:42:33am

Even if you want to play the game that you have to pander to the right wing to curry support in the primaries so that you can win the nomination, those rabidly anti-women, anti-gay, and other extreme positions will harm the GOP's long term success in national elections.

I guess that's their goal - because they wont win with that kind of platform.

But it's good to see that the hate is being exposed for all the world to see.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:43:50am

I've said this a couple times, but I caught Pawlenty on The Daily Show, and I was not impressed. Stewart was pressing him on whether, essentially, the Tea Party/Fox rhetoric was plugged into reality or not, and Pawlenty just did a little side-step, over, and over and over.

I realize that politicians cannot normally be as plain-talking as I would like them to be, but in order to get my respect, much less my vote, right now, a Republican is going to have to be able to at least indicate that he's aware that the President is not a scheming Marxist, and that the right-wing fringe is currently running very crazy. Repeating over and over 'well, the liberals said mean stuff about Bush' will not cut it.

(Especially when the mean stuff the liberals said about Bush is starting to be dwarfed by the mean stuff the TPers are saying about Bush.)

6 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:44:17am

They've lost the POTUS for 2012 and they can't see it.

7 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:44:22am

You know, I might not really like the other guys that much, but I fucking can't stand these self righteous bigots.

8 Summer Seale  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:45:08am

re: #6 ggt

They've lost the POTUS for 2012 and they can't see it.

That's because they lost their minds before they lost the 2012 election.

And many hugs to you on your loss today. =(

9 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:45:17am

At the end of the day, this is really, really fucking awful, not just because it's stupid, not because it winds up with gay people having fewer rights, but because this hyperbolic hatred of gay people winds up with gays being beaten, killed, killing themselves, being ostracized, forced out of their homes, etc. etc.

It is such a waste, and such a crime against humanity to do that to them.

I have no idea why I never had a problem with gay people. Maybe it was growing up in San Francisco. But gay people are just people, for god's sake. What is the big deal? Why does it matter to anyone that they're gay?

That's the final part to me: Who's business is it?

10 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:46:04am

re: #8 Summer

That's because they lost their minds before they lost the 2012 election.

And many hugs to you on your loss today. =(

Thanks. :(

11 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:46:12am

re: #3 Charles

I'm not a fan of Barry Goldwater, but there isn't a single GOP politician today who would stand up to the Bible-beaters like he did.

Religious zealots weren't nearly so well-funded and well-organized then as they are now.

In Goldwater's time, their aims were explicitly religious. Today, it's not so clear where large corporate interests end and the interests of fundamentalist religious groups begin. This is a MUCH bigger problem than Goldwater faced.

12 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:46:25am

The Iowa caucuses need to not be first.
Shit, lets have all of the State's primaries on the same day.

13 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:46:47am

re: #6 ggt

They've lost the POTUS for 2012 and they can't see it.

Seems like the GOP strategy for 2012 is to a) persecute gays and b) persecute women via abortion.

Some things never change.

14 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:47:02am

re: #9 Obdicut

At the end of the day, this is really, really fucking awful, not just because it's stupid, not because it winds up with gay people having fewer rights, but because this hyperbolic hatred of gay people winds up with gays being beaten, killed, killing themselves, being ostracized, forced out of their homes, etc. etc.

It is such a waste, and such a crime against humanity to do that to them.

I have no idea why I never had a problem with gay people. Maybe it was growing up in San Francisco. But gay people are just people, for god's sake. What is the big deal? Why does it matter to anyone that they're gay?

That's the final part to me: Who's business is it?

EXACTLY!

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:47:41am

re: #12 Varek Raith

The Iowa caucuses need to not be first.
Shit, lets have all of the State's primaries on the same day.

Why are you trying to give political reporters a nervous breakdown?

16 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:48:04am

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Why are you trying to give political reporters a nervous breakdown?

Because it would be hilarious to watch.
/Eeevilness

17 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:48:09am

re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist

Why are you trying to give political reporters a nervous breakdown?

...maybe...

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:48:16am

re: #12 Varek Raith

The Iowa caucuses need to not be first.
Shit, lets have all of the State's primaries on the same day.

As a voter in one of the ignored states, I agree.

19 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:48:47am

Or, better yet, rotating first primaries.

20 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:49:23am

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

I've said this a couple times, but I caught Pawlenty on The Daily Show, and I was not impressed. Stewart was pressing him on whether, essentially, the Tea Party/Fox rhetoric was plugged into reality or not, and Pawlenty just did a little side-step, over, and over and over.

I realize that politicians cannot normally be as plain-talking as I would like them to be, but in order to get my respect, much less my vote, right now, a Republican is going to have to be able to at least indicate that he's aware that the President is not a scheming Marxist, and that the right-wing fringe is currently running very crazy. Repeating over and over 'well, the liberals said mean stuff about Bush' will not cut it.

(Especially when the mean stuff the liberals said about Bush is starting to be dwarfed by the mean stuff the TPers are saying about Bush.)

The one thing I did get from that interview, though, was that he was smart and quick on his toes. He's good at masking extremeness and dodging questions. He would look palatable to an uneducated moderate.

21 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:49:31am

GOP 2012 platform:

Question: What caused the financial meltdown of 2008?

Answer: Simple. Gays, lesbians and women having abortions.

22 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:49:37am

The thing that amazes me about Goldwater was this was a man born in 1909 and yet he was much more open minded about gays and gay rights than many younger Republicans including Mr. Pawlenty who was four years old when Goldwater ran for president. I've read that former President Ford and Mrs. Ford also were for gay rights too. I've said it before but I'll never respect Ronald Reagan since he's the one who married the Republican Party to these people. I wouldn't have been a Ford/Nixon Republican but by God, at least they didn't rely on religious bigotry to get votes.

23 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:50:15am

re: #21 Gus 802

GOP 2012 platform:

Question: What caused the financial meltdown of 2008?

Answer: Simple. Gays, lesbians and women having abortions.

And black people who want to own homes, and lazy Mexicans taking our jobs and being communists.

24 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:50:33am

GOP 2012 platform:

Question: What caused the January 25th uprising in Egypt?

Answer: Simple. Gays, lesbians and women having abortions.

25 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:50:45am

re: #23 Obdicut

And black people who want to own homes, and lazy Mexicans taking our jobs and being communists.

And ACORN!

26 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:50:53am

re: #19 EmmmieG

Or, better yet, rotating first primaries.

Lottery, or better yet, a battle royale amongst all the Senators, where your place in the primary is determined by how long your elected official stayed in the ring.

27 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:51:06am

re: #13 Gus 802

Seems like the GOP strategy for 2012 is to a) persecute gays and b) persecute women via abortion.

Some things never change.

JOBS!

28 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:51:19am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

And ACORN!

/Breitbart

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:51:20am

Sorta like Beck's warning to conservatives about anyone advocating "social justice":

Beware of any group that advocates "family values".

30 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:51:29am

re: #24 Gus 802

GOP 2012 platform:

Question: What caused the January 25th uprising in Egypt?

Answer: Simple. Gays, lesbians and women having abortions.

"Tides go in, tides go out..."

31 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:51:32am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

ACORN is just a euphemism for 'black people', to the people who were so glad to see it attacked.

32 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:52:10am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lottery, or better yet, a battle royale amongst all the Senators, where your place in the primary is determined by how long your elected official stayed in the ring.

Throw in some ladders and folding chairs and you've got a deal.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:52:46am

re: #31 Obdicut

ACORN is just a euphemism for 'black people', to the people who were so glad to see it attacked.

Worse than "black people": it also stands for "white people who sympathize with blacks and want to see that they remain lazy welfare leeches".

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:53:05am

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lottery, or better yet, a battle royale amongst all the Senators, where your place in the primary is determined by how long your elected official stayed in the ring.

I'm doomed. I'm pretty sure that Wyden and Merkley are wusses.

How about a cook off?

35 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:54:30am

re: #31 Obdicut

ACORN is just a euphemism for 'black people', to the people who were so glad to see it attacked.

I have to agree with that. Remember reading a story about supporters of Doug Hoffman (remember him?) who said "He must be with ACORN" when they saw a black guy who ironically was a Hoffman supporter. I think ACORN is more less a euphemism for urbanites and yeah urban blacks especially.

36 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:54:39am

re: #31 Obdicut

ACORN is just a euphemism for 'black people', to the people who were so glad to see it attacked.

That and when you see them use the phrase "inner city" and the word "urban" regarding said populace of those locales in a condescending manner.

37 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:54:42am

re: #34 EmmmieG

I'm doomed. I'm pretty sure that Wyden and Merkley are wusses.

How about a cook off?

Mario Kart.

38 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:55:19am

re: #37 Varek Raith

Mario Kart.

Guitar Hero

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:55:44am

re: #21 Gus 802

GOP 2012 platform:

Question: What caused the financial meltdown of 2008?

Answer: Simple. Gays, lesbians and women having abortions.

Also, Barack Obama.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:56:00am

GOP leaders propose $74 billion in cuts to Obama's budget request

Republican leaders Wednesday unveiled a list of proposed cuts in government spending that would strike hardest at cherished priorities of the Obama administration, such as high-speed rail, scientific innovation and a wide array of clean energy programs.

The list also includes deep cuts to the Environmental Protection Agency, the federal home heating assistance program and federal block grants that aid cities facing their own budget woes. And it envisions slicing nearly $760 million from the White House request for the WIC nutrition program that provides support to pregnant women and their children.

41 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:57:17am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, Barack Obama.

God's punishment. - Pat Robertson

/

42 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:57:25am

re: #21 Gus 802

GOP 2012 platform:

Question: What caused the financial meltdown of 2008?

Answer: Simple. Gays, lesbians and women having abortions.

You mean it wasn't the Joooooooz?

/

43 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:57:28am

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, Barack Obama.

And FDR.
And Lincoln.
And Woodrow Wilson.
And...
Ah, screw it. All presidents but Reagan!

44 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:57:58am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

GOP leaders propose $74 billion in cuts to Obama's budget request

Of course they go for WIC. Of course.

45 iossarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:58:12am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

"Pro-life" and they want to eliminate early childhood nutritional support.

Lying hypocritical bastards.

46 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:58:35am

if Smiley McMormonpants decides not to run, the GOP is gonna have a lot of trouble on its hands

47 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:59:06am

re: #46 engineer dog

if Smiley McMormonpants decides not to run, the GOP is gonna have a lot of trouble on its hands

Romney?

48 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:59:08am

re: #43 Varek Raith

And FDR.
And Lincoln.
And Woodrow Wilson.
And...
Ah, screw it. All presidents but Reagan!

Don't forget to bring up Neville Chamberlain. The proverbial wingnut cliche (meme) of 2009-2011.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:59:16am

re: #46 engineer dog

if Smiley McMormonpants decides not to run, the GOP is gonna have a lot of trouble on its hands

Which Smiley McMormonpants are you referring to?

The one that fixed the Olympics, or the one coming back from China soon?

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:00:08am

re: #20 recusancy

The one thing I did get from that interview, though, was that he was smart and quick on his toes. He's good at masking extremeness and dodging questions. He would look palatable to an uneducated moderate.

Masking and dodging are not the primary skills I want in a leader.

51 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:00:55am

re: #40 Killgore Trout

The heartless, hypocritical pigs. If they want to act so religious in politics, do what Jesus actually did. Oh right, they just want to act as the morality police. I'm seeing fewer and fewer differences between the Taliban and the Republicans.

52 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:01:49am

re: #47 Varek Raith

Romney?

that's him

if he's not in, it's PALIN vs (other)

53 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:02:41am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

The thing that amazes me about Goldwater was this was a man born in 1909 and yet he was much more open minded about gays and gay rights than many younger Republicans including Mr. Pawlenty who was four years old when Goldwater ran for president. I've read that former President Ford and Mrs. Ford also were for gay rights too. I've said it before but I'll never respect Ronald Reagan since he's the one who married the Republican Party to these people. I wouldn't have been a Ford/Nixon Republican but by God, at least they didn't rely on religious bigotry to get votes.

Nixon most certainly DID rely on bigotry to win. His campaign pioneered the "southern strategy".

54 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:02:43am

re: #46 engineer dog

if Smiley McMormonpants decides not to run, the GOP is gonna have a lot of trouble on its hands

Here. You want to see something funny? Check out the 2012 lineup here.

Race42012.com

• Daniels
• Gingrich
• Huckabee
• Palin
• Pawlenty
• DeMint
• Romney
• Thune

Daniels is possibly the only normal one on that list. But, give him time before he starts pandering to the wingnuts.

55 abbyadams  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:04:01am

re: #18 EmmmieG

As a voter in an annual swing state, I agree. Yinz guys can all have the phone call fun, too.

56 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:04:22am

re: #54 Gus 802

Here. You want to see something funny? Check out the 2012 lineup here.

Race42012.com

• Daniels
• Gingrich
• Huckabee
• Palin
• Pawlenty
• DeMint
• Romney
• Thune

Daniels is possibly the only normal one on that list. But, give him time before he starts pandering to the wingnuts.

Yeesh...
I can safely say that I ain't voting for any of 'em.

57 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:04:30am

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

Nixon most certainly DID rely on bigotry to win. His campaign pioneered the "southern strategy".

States rights!

Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge.

//

58 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:04:54am

There may still be one or two Republicans with a chance against Obama in 2012's general election, but they are unlikely to get the nomination. So if the GOP stays away from northern republican candidates or moderate centrist candidates from elsewhere (who may be LDS Church members), they can kiss the white house goodbye until 2016 at the earliest.

59 abbyadams  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:05:19am

Also, This.

It would be legal for an Iowa business owner who cites religious beliefs to refuse to provide jobs, housing, goods or services to people involved in a marriage that violates his or her religious convictions, according to a bill an Iowa House subcommittee will consider on Wednesday. House Study Bill 50, called the Religious Conscience Protection Act, would allow a person, business or organization such as a charity or fraternal group to deny services without fear of facing a civil claim or lawsuit if they think doing so would validate or recognize same-sex relationships.

WTF, IOWA???

60 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:05:29am

Apologies for a drive by post, but you folks are going to just love this page...

Right On Topic

61 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:06:24am

re: #58 _RememberTonyC

There may still be one or two Republicans with a chance against Obama in 2012's general election, but they are unlikely to get the nomination. So if the GOP stays away from northern republican candidates or moderate centrist candidates from elsewhere (who may be LDS Church members), they can kiss the white house goodbye until 2016 at the earliest.

The 2012 election for POTUS is already over.

I'm just disgusted at the amount of money that is going to be wasted by the Republicans. We could almost pay off the national debt (ok not quite) with it.

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:06:43am

re: #55 abbyadams

As a voter in an annual swing state, I agree. Yinz guys can all have the phone call fun, too.

Bleh. My brother and I compared our experiences with that, and the campaigning in general in 2008. I got ten phone calls to his two. And he had a land line where my ten were essentially cold calls that stumbled upon my cell number.

We assigned the difference to the fact that he lives in New York while I'm farther south in Pennsylvania.

63 Kragar  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:06:51am

re: #59 abbyadams

Also, This.


WTF, IOWA???

I refuse to service condescending assholes.

64 recusancy  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:07:05am

re: #54 Gus 802

Here. You want to see something funny? Check out the 2012 lineup here.

Race42012.com

• Daniels
• Gingrich
• Huckabee
• Palin
• Pawlenty
• DeMint
• Romney
• Thune

Daniels is possibly the only normal one on that list. But, give him time before he starts pandering to the wingnuts.

Daniels was W's Budget Director. So he has no room to stand on deficits. He also wants to raise retirement ages because we'll be replacing body parts like we do tires.

65 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:07:10am

re: #59 abbyadams

My family thinks that 2012 is going to be snuff film for the Republicans with the way they are acting today.

66 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:08:06am

re: #56 Varek Raith

Yeesh...
I can safely say that I ain't voting for any of 'em.

Romney will never get the support of the thumper base. He would also have to contend with his record as Massachusetts record and his support of "Romeny care" and Planned Parenthood. The base would never allow him to get far...

67 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:08:25am

re: #64 recusancy

Daniels was W's Budget Director. So he has no room to stand on deficits. He also wants to raise retirement ages because we'll be replacing body parts like we do tires.

Oh. Now that's weird.

68 abbyadams  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:09:21am

re: #62 oaktree

I'm in PA, too. We rarely get called, but hy husband and I are both registered D. It seems the people who get the most calls are a one R, one D household.

69 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:09:37am

re: #66 Gus 802

Romney will never get the support of the thumper base. He would also have to contend with his record as Massachusetts record governor and his support of "Romeny care" and Planned Parenthood. The base would never allow him to get far...

Oops.

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:09:44am

re: #53 Fozzie Bear

Nixon most certainly DID rely on bigotry to win. His campaign pioneered the "southern strategy".

Forgot all about the Southern Strategy. Sorry Fozzie.

71 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:09:51am

re: #61 ggt

The 2012 election for POTUS is already over.

I'm just disgusted at the amount of money that is going to be wasted by the Republicans. We could almost pay off the national debt (ok not quite) with it.

The only hope for the GOP is a Jon Huntsmann or a Mitt Romney type ... But if the GOP continues to see Palin or Huckabee as better options, they will get few Dem voters to cross over and vote for their guy. And getting Indy voters, plus peeling off a few Dem voters is necessary to win.

72 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:11:11am

Putting $$$ to those cuts:

The cuts are nevertheless wide-ranging. According to the proposal, Republicans want to cut the following:

-- $169 million from nuclear energy

-- $593 million from the Internal Revenue Service

-- $74 million from the FBI

-- $379 million from NASA

-- $544 million from international food aid grants

-- $6 million each from the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities

-- $2 billion from job-training programs

-- $1 billion from the National Institutes of Health

-- $224 million from Amtrak

-- $755 million from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

So, they're going to cut funding for the one surefire way to wean ourselves off foreign energy dependency? Lovely.

And I would be modestly in support of the IRS cuts only if that was part of an overall package to provide tax simplification - the IRS needs that money to secure tax compliance and oversight. Simplify the tax code and you reduce the overall costs and burdens on taxpayers and the government for collection. Without simplification, the IRS cuts make no sense.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:11:38am

re: #45 iossarian

"Pro-life" and they want to eliminate early childhood nutritional support.

Lying hypocritical bastards.

Now that Lincoln Davis has lost his seat, someone else needs to step up and reintroduce the Pregnant Women Support Act. Anyone? Anyone?

74 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:12:15am

My apologies and sincere shame for living in the same state as Vanderputz (our favored epithet for him here in corn country)

Being a life long Iowan, Vanderplaatz is a perfect example of the self righteous dutch element found in northwest Iowa. Keep in mind this is also the region that keeps sending Steve King (R-Alpha Centauri IV) to Congress. Repeatedly.

75 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:13:16am

I wish I shared the optimism of most posters here.

I think the GOP has at least even odds of winning the white house in 2012.

- The Afghanistan war will be thoroughly Obama's war by then, and of course, we won't have made much progress.
- There are very few economists that predict the job market will be significantly better in 2012. Voters will blame Obama for that.
- There is a good chance that the situation in the Middle East will deteriorate. Some voters will see this as a result of Obama's foreign policy.
- If the Middle East situation does deteriorate, oil prices will skyrocket, further weakening the economy.
- The Bush tax cuts will expire soon after the 2012 election. It is an issue the GOP can use to scare voters away from Obama.
- The Citizens United decision means that the next presidential election cycle will have FAR more big donors flooding the cable channels and the internet with insane propaganda. This next election has no precendent in that respect.
- Obama won because of a wave of enthusiasm among young voters. Given that the economic situation is unlikely to improve significantly, these same voters will be a little older, and a lot more pissed off. The young are the ones suffering the most in this job market.

I don't see the 2012 race being nearly so easy for Obama as people seem to think it is. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

76 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:13:21am

re: #72 lawhawk

Cutting the IRS makes sense if you want to make tax evasion safer and easier.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:13:41am

re: #64 recusancy

Daniels was W's Budget Director. So he has no room to stand on deficits. He also wants to raise retirement ages because we'll be replacing body parts like we do tires.

Well, if he'll back Obamacare, so regular folks can afford to have their tires changed, maybe we can talk about it.

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:14:36am

re: #59 abbyadams

Also, This.


WTF, IOWA???

Looks like they borrowed language from a forty year-old bill and simply substituted "same-sex" for "mixed race"...

I see this stuff and just see line in the sand after line in the sand as the tide tries to push the bigotry further and further out of our society. As Obdicut said *they're just people*.

79 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:14:53am

re: #71 _RememberTonyC

The only hope for the GOP is a Jon Huntsmann or a Mitt Romney type ... But if the GOP continues to see Palin or Huckabee as better options, they will get few Dem voters to cross over and vote for their guy. And getting Indy voters, plus peeling off a few Dem voters is necessary to win.

No farking way the religious right folks vote for either Huntsman or Romney. They won't last the primaries. I'm betting on Palin, Huckabee, or Pawlenty or someone who is completely off the radar right now. It's going to be a matter of who can survive primary season without giving enough of a clue that they are guanomanic to get torn apart in the general.

80 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:15:12am

What's Daniels' charisma like? Never seen him speak before. I get the impression given that he was Bush's OMB director that he's more of a policy orientated guy.

81 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:15:47am

re: #65 ProLifeLiberal

My family thinks that 2012 is going to be snuff film for the Republicans with the way they are acting today.

lol

82 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:16:01am

re: #59 abbyadams

Also, This.

WTF, IOWA???

WTF.
Can I refuse service to, say, morons???

83 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:16:03am

re: #75 Fozzie Bear

I don't see the 2012 race being nearly so easy for Obama as people seem to think it is. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Nor the complacency of those more optimistic than yourself. Complacency is the enemy of turnout. Turnout on election day is the ONLY thing that counts.

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:16:19am

Huntsman doesn't have a chance. He could totally try to make himself over like Romney did a few years ago and he'd still fail with Republican primary voters. Remember this guy actually served in Obama's administration. Palin, Huckabee, and the others will sure make a huge issue out of that.

85 abbyadams  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:16:57am

re: #82 Varek Raith

I'd like to refuse service to bigots.

86 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:17:03am

re: #78 oaktree

Looks like they borrowed language from a forty year-old bill and simply substituted "same-sex" for "mixed race"...

I see this stuff and just see line in the sand after line in the sand as the tide tries to push the bigotry further and further out of our society. As Obdicut said *they're just people*.

The exact thing my dad said to me back in the 70s when I made a comment about a big (and I mean BIG) afro a lady was wearing at a movie we attended. Best life lesson he ever taught me.

87 iossarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:17:27am

re: #82 Varek Raith

WTF.
Can I refuse service to, say, morons???

Maybe you can refuse to serve people who hold a view of marriage that undermines your belief in the role of that institution to cherish the love between two human beings.

I.e., Republicans.

88 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:17:34am

re: #75 Fozzie Bear

I think it's 50/50. That why I think that with this line-up which has a lot of "worst case scenarios" I would hope that in the end they get someone like Huntsman, Romney, or Daniels. Worst case scenario would be Palin, Pawlenty, Gingrich, et al. America could weather a choice like Daniels as opposed to Palin. So if the GOP will retake the White House let us hope that it's one of the three as opposed to Palin Pawlenty, or Gingrich.

89 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:17:56am

re: #81 Stanley Sea

Did I say something the wrong way. When I think of snuff film, I think of horrible things occuring, so the metaphor worked for me.

90 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:18:07am

re: #87 iossarian

Maybe you can refuse to serve people who hold a view of marriage that undermines your belief in the role of that institution to cherish the love between two human beings.

I.e., Republicans.

I would love to attempt to throw that back at them.

91 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:18:56am

Heck. I would rather see GWB back in the White House before I see Palin in there.

//

92 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:19:06am

re: #82 Varek Raith

WTF.
Can I refuse service to, say, morons???

No, that would be prejudiced. Gay people choose to be that way.

/! (snark to infinity)

93 Fart Knocker  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:19:14am

This video is designed to be anti-Obama, but does a good job showing how small a $100B budget cut is compared to the overall budget.

94 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:19:18am

re: #87 iossarian

Maybe you can refuse to serve people who hold a view of marriage that undermines your belief in the role of that institution to cherish the love between two human beings.

I.e., Republicans.

I could knock on six doors and find five people who think black/white marriages violate their religious belief.

95 iossarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:20:09am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

I could knock on six doors and find five people who think black/white marriages violate their religious belief.

Really? I know you're in Alabama, but still, that's surprising to me.

96 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:20:58am

re: #95 iossarian

Really? I know you're in Alabama, but still, that's surprising to me.

Just got to look for the rebel flag mailboxes.

97 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:21:10am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

I could knock on six doors and find five people who think black/white marriages violate their religious belief.

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

98 Fart Knocker  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:21:42am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Just got to look for the rebel flag mailboxes.

HERITAGE NOT HATE!!!111//

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:22:05am

re: #97 PT Barnum

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

Because that would involve thought, work, and potentially failing at the task.

100 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:22:05am

re: #97 PT Barnum

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

Because that would require them to take a stance on economic issues diametrically opposed to their stance for the past few decades.

101 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:22:17am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Just got to look for the rebel flag mailboxes.

In the background you can hear a Johnny Rebel song.

102 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:22:48am

re: #99 oaktree

Because that would involve thought, work, and potentially failing at the task.

It was a rhetorical question, but yeah.

103 jaunte  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:22:49am

re: #97 PT Barnum

The silly crap is what gets them elected; the helping with jobs, that's hard.

104 ProMayaLiberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:23:07am

re: #101 Gus 802

Which requires this antidote.

105 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:23:09am

re: #98 rwdflynavy

HERITAGE NOT HATE!!!111//

Actually, I've always thought that the south needs to come up with a symbol for people who want to be proud of the good parts of being southern while simultaneously disavowing slavery and bigotry.

106 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:23:17am

re: #97 PT Barnum

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

Now why on earth would Republicans spend time on that? THey need to please business interests, the rich, and of course red meat issues for the religious nuts.

Economy is tanking? Fuck it we'll try and restrict womens rights. People need jobs? Who cares, gay marriage is a bigger threat. But they are making sure their buddies on wall street get to keep getting richer at our expense.

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:24:01am

re: #105 EmmmieG

Actually, I've always thought that the south needs to come up with a symbol for people who want to be proud of the good parts of being southern while simultaneously disavowing slavery and bigotry.

How about chicken and biscuits? Or BBQ pulled pork?

108 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:24:03am

re: #105 EmmmieG

Actually, I've always thought that the south needs to come up with a symbol for people who want to be proud of the good parts of being southern while simultaneously disavowing slavery and bigotry.

they already have the waffle house

//

109 Gus  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:24:32am

Speak of the devil ---->

110 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:24:50am

re: #97 PT Barnum

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

Because their base frankly cares more about telling two gay people that they can't marry than doing anything about jobs. Future generations are going to look back and laugh at us for making a big deal out of gay marriage.

111 Stanghazi  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:25:17am

re: #97 PT Barnum

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

Stupid people, the gay marriage industry would be huge. Huge.

I'm sure the cake people and photogs are salivating.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:27:03am

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Because their base frankly cares more about telling two gay people that they can't marry than doing anything about jobs. Future generations are going to look back and laugh at us for making a big deal out of gay marriage.

Sort of like how _O'Brother Where Art Thou_ played on the one secondary character's fixation on miscegenation for laughs?

113 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:27:35am

re: #97 PT Barnum

Frankly, unemployment is a bigger threat to most people's marriages than gay people getting married. How about the goddamn Republicans spend more time on getting more people jobs than on this silly crap?

With women and gays out of the job market there would be MORE JOBS!

114 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:28:21am

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Stupid people, the gay marriage industry would be huge. Huge.

I'm sure the cake people and photogs are salivating.

Florists!

:)

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:28:35am

re: #12 Varek Raith

The Iowa caucuses need to not be first.
Shit, lets have all of the State's primaries on the same day.

This.

One month to the day prior to the November general election.

116 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:30:03am

re: #105 EmmmieG

Actually, I've always thought that the south needs to come up with a symbol for people who want to be proud of the good parts of being southern while simultaneously disavowing slavery and bigotry.

This isn't it:

(Ha. Just tried to post a pic of a belle with a rebel beer holder and bellybutton flag piercing. Came up "This has been identified as an attack site".)

117 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:30:33am

re: #106 Dreggas

Now why on earth would Republicans spend time on that? THey need to please business interests, the rich, and of course red meat issues for the religious nuts.

Economy is tanking? Fuck it we'll try and restrict womens rights. People need jobs? Who cares, gay marriage is a bigger threat. But they are making sure their buddies on wall street get to keep getting richer at our expense.

A weak job market helps businesses, from a purely selfish perspective. They get to pay less for more work.

This is the tragedy of the commons at work. Even though weakening the national economy ultimately results in less people buying goods and services, individual businesses can't afford to look at the problem that way. Each business is responsible for maximizing profits, which means cutting labor costs as much as possible. Collectively, that reduces demand for the products those same businesses produce by impoverishing consumers, but that's not their problem. That's the entire point of the public sector. You know, the thing we have systematically gutted over the past 30 years. That, and unions, which have also been systematically gutted over the past 30 years.

Positive wage pressures are virtually nonexistant, and negative wage pressures have never been stronger. If you are a large corporation, and have access to foreign markets, it's a win/win. You can decrease net utility of the American economy while increasing utility of dollars spent on labor. And of course, not those corporations can spend unlimited funds influencing American elections, due to their outsize influence on SCOTUS.

This all has to get MUCH worse before it can get better.

118 garhighway  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:31:21am

Don't look now, but I think Pawlenty has some Santorum running down his leg.

119 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:32:15am

re: #118 garhighway

Don't look now, but I think Pawlenty has some Santorum running down his leg.

ewwwwwwwwww

120 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:32:53am

re: #118 garhighway

Don't look now, but I think Pawlenty has some Santorum running down his leg.

I only gave you a downding because I was eating lunch when I read that.

121 garhighway  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:34:19am

re: #120 PT Barnum

I only gave you a downding because I was eating lunch when I read that.

Jeez. How was I to know?

122 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 11:37:17am

re: #121 garhighway

Jeez. How was I to know?

true...downding recalled

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 1:46:25pm

re: #72 lawhawk

I know that as a nation, we will have to make some very difficult decisions over the next few years. Whoever makes the decisions are going to be vilified.

Nuclear Energy, though? Are you freakin' kidding me?

124 mich-again  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 3:03:35pm

The Religious Right keeps lurching further and further away from the original message from the guy who started their religion. "Hating for God" is the mission of the modern day bible thumpers.

125 dragonfire1981  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 3:43:17pm

Interestingly enough MY Bible says very clearly to leave the judgment stuff to God, yet these fools have no problem judging just about everyone who isn't white and male.

Jesus would weep.

126 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 3:55:04pm

re: #88 Gus 802

I think it's 50/50. That why I think that with this line-up which has a lot of "worst case scenarios" I would hope that in the end they get someone like Huntsman, Romney, or Daniels. Worst case scenario would be Palin, Pawlenty, Gingrich, et al. America could weather a choice like Daniels as opposed to Palin. So if the GOP will retake the White House let us hope that it's one of the three as opposed to Palin Pawlenty, or Gingrich.

Well given the fact that we will most likely have a GOP House and Senate after the 2012 election, I don't think we will be able to survive a Republican in the White House at all. A GOP congress will undoubtedly push a so-called moderate GOP president to the right. The only thing keeping all of the crazy bills circulating through the House from becoming law is Harry Reid and Barack Obama. After 2012, it might only be Barack Obama. So keep that in mind when you think there might be a tolerable possibility for a GOP president in 2012. Barack Obama being in the White House is the only firewall I see to all of this far right TGOP nonsense.

127 theheat  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:04:57pm

Wait, isn't Pawlenty (R - fundie homophobe) one of those moderate conservatives we need to restore America?
//

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 5:41:41pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Cutting the IRS makes sense if you want to make tax evasion safer and easier.

it surrrre would

129 dragonfire1981  Wed, Feb 9, 2011 10:08:04pm

re: #127 theheat

Liberal is the new Commie. Moderate is the new Liberal Far right is the new moderate, Extreme right is the new far right.

Call it the Tea Party effect.

130 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:25:11am

re: #3 Charles

I'm not a fan of Barry Goldwater, but there isn't a single GOP politician today who would stand up to the Bible-beaters like he did.

A few years ago, that comment would have caused about 50 flounces. Not that I miss the old days...


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