CPAC Eats Its Own
Oh no, here come the Paulians again
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You almost have to laugh, as Ron Paul’s followers let the crazy hang out at CPAC.
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441 comments
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:07:33pm |
Had to happen. Bilderbergers! Alex Jones! Luap Nor!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:07:54pm |
WOW Cheney really looks like Burns from the Simpsons.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:08:29pm |
Rumsfeld looked good, though.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:09:12pm |
well there was one Paul, then there were two ...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:09:15pm |
Truly though watching the GOP elite - all old crusty criminal bastards in their little suits coming onto the stage to pump up rock music is sickening.
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:10:57pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
Truly though watching the GOP elite - all old crusty criminal bastards in their little suits coming onto the stage to pump up rock music is sickening.
Dude, he was Simply The Best...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:11:44pm |
They aren't eating their own, they're absorbing the others
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:12:33pm |
re: #8 Killgore Trout
They aren't eating their own, they're absorbing the others
[Video]
Well played.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:13:05pm |
I haven't watched it. Is the audience a sea of white people?
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:13:05pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
Truly though watching the GOP elite - all old crusty criminal bastards in their little suits coming onto the stage to pump up rock music is sickening.
/as opposed to crusty old criminal bastards in pant suits...
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:14:32pm |
re: #10 ggt
I haven't watched it. Is the audience a sea of white people?
People Lacking Color...
People of Color...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:14:42pm |
re: #5 brookly red
well there was one Paul, then there were two ...
Someone cut the one in half and they regrew?
(Sorry, just had to.)
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:15:38pm |
re: #13 EmmmieG
Someone cut the one in half and they regrew?
(Sorry, just had to.)
They bud, like amoebas.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:16:18pm |
re: #11 brookly red
Check the average age of the current Dem vs Rep lawmakers in this Congress, and then decide which bunch is old and crusty.
Hint: it's not the Republicans.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:16:36pm |
re: #13 EmmmieG
Someone cut the one in half and they regrew?
(Sorry, just had to.)
well maybe but there seems to have been a 100% increase in political Pauls, make of it what you will.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:17:24pm |
re: #16 brookly red
well maybe but there seems to have been a 100% increase in political Pauls, make of it what you will.
Doesn't Mitt Romney have 5 sons?
That's a lot of teeth and hair to go around.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:17:26pm |
I'll bet being called a "war criminal" made his heart TAKE a beat.
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:17:45pm |
re: #15 tradewind
Check the average age of the current Dem vs Rep lawmakers in this Congress, and then decide which bunch is old and crusty.
Hint: it's not the Republicans.
Yeah, because I'd rather have teenagers running the store than adults.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:18:05pm |
re: #15 tradewind
Check the average age of the current Dem vs Rep lawmakers in this Congress, and then decide which bunch is old and crusty.
Hint: it's not the Republicans.
I don't discriminate by age... just choose by policy.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:18:18pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
Truly though watching the GOP elite - all old crusty criminal bastards in their little suits coming onto the stage to pump up rock music is sickening.
Tina Turner wasn't exactly what I'd call "rock music"...
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:20:02pm |
re: #17 EmmmieG
Doesn't Mitt Romney have 5 sons?
That's a lot of teeth and hair to go around.
as of yet none have been elected... Paul on the other hand,
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:20:33pm |
re: #22 brookly red
as of yet none have been elected... Paul on the other hand,
I don't think they've run for anything, actually.
Still, it is the family business.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:20:48pm |
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:21:19pm |
re: #21 darthstar
Tina Turner wasn't exactly what I'd call "rock music"...
Really? She was the acid queen of rock.
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:21:47pm |
re: #22 brookly red
as of yet none have been elected... Paul on the other hand,
has a son named Rand who is a US Senator from Kentucky.
They are both loons.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:22:11pm |
re: #21 darthstar
Tina Turner wasn't exactly what I'd call "rock music"...
diss Tina??? will it be swords or pistols, matters not to me I can cheat with either.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:22:50pm |
re: #10 ggt
The new chairman of CPAC's a little brown-ish. Born in Cuba, fled Castro.
But you know, he could be one of those tokens, because no Hispanic is actually a real conservative./
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:22:54pm |
re: #27 brookly red
diss Tina??? will it be swords or pistols, matters not to me I can cheat with either.
Lincoln chose broadswords.
Mostly because he was sure they wouldn't be able to actually hurt each other with those.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:23:30pm |
re: #29 tradewind
The new chairman of CPAC's a little brown-ish. Born in Cuba, fled Castro.
But you know, he could be one of those tokens, because no Hispanic is actually a real conservative./
I asked about the audience . . .
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:23:46pm |
re: #26 austin_blue
and yet the choice of their districts...
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darthstar Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:24:33pm |
re: #25 Mr Pancakes
Really? She was the acid queen of rock.
[Video]
MTV and the 80s ruined a lot of bands. I forgot she was in Tommy. That still is a fun movie to watch.
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tradewind Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:25:13pm |
re: #19 austin_blue
There's a law for that, you can relax. No teenagers, unless they're Pelosi's grandkids on the payroll.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:25:54pm |
re: #34 tradewind
There's a law for that, you can relax. No teenagers, unless they're Pelosi's grandkids on the payroll.
Shirtless Craigslist dude gets an honorary.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:26:35pm |
re: #35 EmmmieG
Shirtless Craigslist dude gets an honorary.
Oh durn I had forgotten about the picture already...
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brookly red Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:28:04pm |
re: #30 EmmmieG
Lincoln chose broadswords.
Mostly because he was sure they wouldn't be able to actually hurt each other with those.
Clinton just chose broads :)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:28:12pm |
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tradewind Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:30:17pm |
re: #35 EmmmieG
Man, that was quick.
At least no speeches on the House floor about what a fantastic job he's done and how they're just out to get him.
Boehner had reportedly privately warned that dude before about complaints that he was inappropriate with women staffers.
Guess he should have listened.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:31:14pm |
re: #40 tradewind
Man, that was quick.
At least no speeches on the House floor about what a fantastic job he's done and how they're just out to get him.
Boehner had reportedly privately warned that dude before about complaints that he was inappropriate with women staffers.
Guess he should have listened.
Oh, I get the feeling that the waters were a little shallow in that pond.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:32:46pm |
Hey, maybe the GOP House leadership could have a talk with Mubarak.
Or maybe someone could photoshop a shirtless photo of Mubarak onto Craigslist.
Well-seasoned Egyptian lover wants to show you the secrets of the Pharaohs. Respond to: #ReasonsMubarakislate. Please include photo.
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:32:56pm |
re: #29 tradewind
The new chairman of CPAC's a little brown-ish. Born in Cuba, fled Castro.
But you know, he could be one of those tokens, because no Hispanic is actually a real conservative./
Hahaha! Thanks for that broad brush observation! You understand that that kind of statement displays your prejudice more than it does that of Liberals? The freak moonbats aside, most of us don't worry about it. You are just pitiful human for making a point about it.
[[yawn]]
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:33:11pm |
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:34:21pm |
re: #34 tradewind
There's a law for that, you can relax. No teenagers, unless they're Pelosi's grandkids on the payroll.
My goodness, you are so witty.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:36:56pm |
Cheney has goofy theme music. They should have used the Imperial March.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:37:03pm |
re: #29 tradewind
The new chairman of CPAC's a little brown-ish. Born in Cuba, fled Castro.
But you know, he could be one of those tokens, because no Hispanic is actually a real conservative./
It doesn't matter. Al Cardenas is from Florida, and the last time I looked, Florida was part of the south, there fore Al Cardenas is just another one of those knuckle dragging red neck southerners. He's of no note.
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austin_blue Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:37:06pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:38:13pm |
I think everyone went off to work on photoshop.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:40:59pm |
re: #50 EmmmieG
I think everyone went off to work on photoshop.
Not me, I was checking my facebook.
Now, I am back.
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:41:29pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:43:04pm |
You know what I hate?
When you have a really awesome "Q" word in Scrabble™ and you can't play it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:43:32pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:43:32pm |
I see. And was nobody working on wiring up the interstellar photon torpedo and shield system?
Do I have to do everything around here myself?
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:44:33pm |
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:45:21pm |
re: #55 EmmmieG
I see. And was nobody working on wiring up the interstellar photon torpedo and shield system?
Do I have to do everything around here myself?
Yes.
I'm busy trying to finish off this bag of doritos.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:45:21pm |
Where is it you forward really weird (criminal) email to?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:45:44pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:46:07pm |
Actually, I must now go off and be band mom.
It's one of these things you just gotta do.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:46:15pm |
re: #58 ggt
Where is it you forward really weird (criminal) email to?
The cops or the FBI depending on what it is.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:47:05pm |
re: #54 ggt
Red Skelton
Red Foxx
Red ???
I think it's a recent movie (2010?) ....... I just watched "Red" from 2008 about some idiot kids who killed an old man's dog in front of him and how he extracts his revenge.... great flick.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:48:20pm |
re: #61 Jadespring
The cops or the FBI depending on what it is.
Someone says my "inheritance" of 4.1 USD needs to be sent "via Diplomatic Immunity Delivery." They want all my vitals and there is a overseas number to call and an attached "official letter" which I don't plan on opening.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:48:41pm |
re: #62 Mr Pancakes
I think it's a recent movie (2010?) ... I just watched "Red" from 2008 about some idiot kids who killed an old man's dog in front of him and how he extracts his revenge... great flick.
I can't deal with dogs dying right now.
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engineer cat Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:48:58pm |
the man has no pulse
because of the heart device thing
iz teh creep
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:49:13pm |
re: #63 ggt
Someone says my "inheritance" of 4.1 Million USD needs to be sent "via Diplomatic Immunity Delivery." They want all my vitals and there is a overseas number to call and an attached "official letter" which I don't plan on opening.
pimf
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:52:08pm |
re: #63 ggt
Someone says my "inheritance" of 4.1 USD needs to be sent "via Diplomatic Immunity Delivery." They want all my vitals and there is a overseas number to call and an attached "official letter" which I don't plan on opening.
Ah. That's just a common internet scam. Ignore it.
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:53:08pm |
I think I've found my new favorite show
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FreedomMoon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:54:33pm |
re: #65 engineer dog
the man has no pulse
because of the heart device thing
iz teh creep
Almost seems fitting for a man who so openly and unabashedly advocated torture.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:55:25pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:56:05pm |
re: #68 Jadespring
Ah. That's just a common internet scam. Ignore it.
I know, but they piss-me-off. I report them.
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Querent Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:56:35pm |
FailEx delivery for tradewind:
Everybody seems to be taking you too seriously today. My Failurometer indicates that your /sarc tags might be past their expiration date.
Fortunately i have a fresh batch here on the truck. Just sign right here while i unload these three pallets...
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:57:59pm |
re: #72 ggt
I know, but they piss-me-off. I report them.
I used to report them 10 years or so ago..... now I just delete them like spam.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:58:32pm |
re: #73 Querent
FailEx delivery for tradewind:
Everybody seems to be taking you too seriously today. My Failurometer indicates that your /sarc tags might be past their expiration date.
Fortunately i have a fresh batch here on the truck. Just sign right here while i unload these three pallets...
I certainly picked up on it, I up'ed him to try to counter the puckerbutts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:58:52pm |
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:58:54pm |
tweet:
Margoandhow Margo Howard rt by ebertchicago
"The powerful Rep. majority has continued its laserlike focus on jobs by arguing about abortion & failing 2 pass the bills it votes on."
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:59:14pm |
re: #63 ggt
Someone says my "inheritance" of 4.1 USD needs to be sent "via Diplomatic Immunity Delivery." They want all my vitals and there is a overseas number to call and an attached "official letter" which I don't plan on opening.
FBI. They've been working this scam since it actually came in the mail.
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Big Joe Ghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 8:59:32pm |
re: #72 ggt
I know, but they piss-me-off. I report them.
I report calls that violate my Do Not Call registration. I have that bookmarked too.
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FreedomMoon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:00:28pm |
re: #67 mracb
[Link: www.fbi.gov...]
I glanced through the "tips" lol, that page is a hoot. I think anyone who falls for that shit shouldn't be given unsupervised internet usage, i.e. grandma when she has a late night with red wine.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:00:40pm |
re: #79 mracb
I report calls that violate my Do Not Call registration. I have that bookmarked too.
I've never been called after I put my number on the list thank god.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:00:48pm |
re: #79 mracb
I report calls that violate my Do Not Call registration. I have that bookmarked too.
Luckily, we don't much of either. So, it's easy to report. If we got a lot it would be a PITA.
Getting rid of the land line and replacing it with another cell line REALLY cut down on the calls. Political parties haven't even found us yet.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:02:28pm |
re: #53 ggt
You know what I hate?
When you have a really awesome "Q" word in Scrabble™ and you can't play it.
Querent, your up-ding really made me smile!
You are 7-letters too!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:04:37pm |
Another thing that irritates me.
The Friend Finder on facebook.
"Your friends are waiting"
I don't want anymore friends . . .
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:04:40pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:05:11pm |
re: #84 ggt
Another thing that irritates me.
The Friend Finder on facebook.
"Your friends are waiting"
I don't want anymore friends . . .
facebook sorta scares me, I don't have an account, and I don't think i ever will
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Big Joe Ghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:05:28pm |
re: #82 ggt
Luckily, we don't much of either. So, it's easy to report. If we got a lot it would be a PITA.
Getting rid of the land line and replacing it with another cell line REALLY cut down on the calls. Political parties haven't even found us yet.
I live in earthquake country so a fixed land-line and an old style phone that works off the phone line power are important communication devices when one strikes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:05:41pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:05:44pm |
re: #69 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Love the kiddie books in the background.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:06:04pm |
re: #60 EmmmieG
Actually, I must now go off and be band mom.
It's one of these things you just gotta do.
band like high school jazz band? or band like garage band?
My mom was the latter :D
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:06:19pm |
re: #87 mracb
I live in earthquake country so a fixed land-line and an old style phone that works off the phone line power are important communication devices when one strikes.
Oh, we have one for business, we just got rid of the personal line.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:06:48pm |
re: #87 mracb
I live in earthquake country so a fixed land-line and an old style phone that works off the phone line power are important communication devices when one strikes.
I still have a landline, I don't trust cell phone reception
Also, i never pick up the land line unless I know precisely who's calling :D
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:07:06pm |
re: #88 ggt
Is this with the dog dying? If it is, I'm not watching.
Heh, no. It's got nothing to do with a dog dying and everything to do with Helen Mirren using machine guns and being awesome. :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:07:31pm |
re: #93 Lidane
Heh, no. It's got nothing to do with a dog dying and everything to do with Helen Mirren using machine guns and being awesome. :D
GOD DAMN DEAD DOG DEDICATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(only for radio nerds)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:07:31pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
I still have a landline, I don't trust cell phone reception
Also, i never pick up the land line unless I know precisely who's calling :D
I just hated having to scroll thru and delete the gazillion marketing and polticial messages.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:07:41pm |
re: #87 mracb
I live in earthquake country so a fixed land-line and an old style phone that works off the phone line power are important communication devices when one strikes.
I live in hurricane country and we have a landline and an old-style phone, same reasons.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:08:10pm |
re: #95 ggt
I just hated having to scroll thru and delete the gazillion marketing and polticial messages.
I never check messages *_* I'm all internet!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:08:30pm |
re: #97 reine.de.tout
I live in hurricane country and we have a landline and an old-style phone, same reasons.
Where I live, the only thing we have to worry about is blizzards and if you need help in a blizzard, you are pretty much hosed. If you can't get out, no one can get to you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:09:00pm |
re: #97 reine.de.tout
I live in hurricane country and we have a landline and an old-style phone, same reasons.
sorry for this
but i had to
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:10:00pm |
re: #88 ggt
Is this with the dog dying? If it is, I'm not watching.
Nah... that's the new RED.... this is the other RED from 2008. Red was the dog's name.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:10:14pm |
re: #99 ggt
Where I live, the only thing we have to worry about is blizzards and if you need help in a blizzard, you are pretty much hosed. If you can't get out, no one can get to you.
sorry for this
but i had to
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:10:19pm |
Looks like a good time to make like a baby and head out. Later folks.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:11:10pm |
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Querent Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:12:27pm |
re: #75 tacuba14
i give out updings for:
1) well-phrased arguments -- whether i agree with them or not
2) clever one-liners, and
3) anything else that makes me laugh.
i understand there's been some tense moments in the lizard community lately so methinks some of us might not be in the mood for certain flavors of humor.
and i know there's always a need for piping hot fresh-from-the-oven /sarc tags...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:13:21pm |
re: #101 Mr Pancakes
Nah... that's the new RED... this is the other RED from 2008. Red was the dog's name.
[Video]
Just so no one decides to continue with the dead dog theme.
I lost one of my dogs yesterday.
It's REALLY SENSITIVE SUBJECT right now.
Thanks all!
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:13:41pm |
re: #104 ggt
OK, I wanna see it.
Age and Experience . . .
It's not high art by any stretch of the imagination, but it's fun.
Also, Helen Mirren + machine guns will never not be awesome. Hehe.
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Querent Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:13:44pm |
re: #83 ggt
Thanks -- i try my best to keep things light in the cave here!
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:14:08pm |
re: #106 ggt
Just so no one decides to continue with the dead dog theme.
I lost one of my dogs yesterday.
It's REALLY SENSITIVE SUBJECT right now.
Thanks all!
Sorry man... didn't know.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:14:45pm |
Ethan Siegel responds (tangentially) to O'Reilly's "miscommunication."
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
"...although the laws of physics are solid, the communication between the Earth and Moon changes enough that the tides, the days, and even the years are altered over time."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:14:54pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:18:16pm |
If CPAC eats it's own, does that mean it isn't kosher?
Like trolls?
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:18:37pm |
re: #111 ggt
s'alright
I've got this cat that is really a pain in the ass to take care of, and it horks up hairballs like clockwork, but he's my buddy, we hang together all the time ...... when I lose this cat I will be devastated.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:18:57pm |
re: #87 mracb
I live in earthquake country so a fixed land-line and an old style phone that works off the phone line power are important communication devices when one strikes.
I've got an old rotary-dial phone that lives under the hall table. Ideal for when the power goes out.
My husband wants to steampunk it up.
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Querent Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:19:19pm |
re: #112 ggt
If CPAC eats it's own, does that mean it isn't kosher?
Like trolls?
i sense a praying (preying?) mantis analogy involving a regular LGF foosball coming up...
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Querent Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:19:55pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
upding for the concept of a steampunk phone...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:20:04pm |
re: #107 Lidane
It's not high art by any stretch of the imagination, but it's fun.
Also, Helen Mirren + machine guns will never not be awesome. Hehe.
I prefer mindless and comical action films. Did you know the 5th Fast and Furious is coming out soon?
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:20:27pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
You'll need a little brass: [Link: www.onlinemetals.com...]
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:22:53pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
I still have a landline, I don't trust cell phone reception
Also, i never pick up the land line unless I know precisely who's calling :D
I killed my landline because the only people calling me on it were political robocalls during the last elections and telemarketers. Everyone else called my cell phone.
Honestly? I don't miss it at all. Having just one phone number again makes my life so much easier.
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:24:38pm |
re: #117 ggt
I prefer mindless and comical action films. Did you know the 5th Fast and Furious is coming out soon?
Yes. And I plan on seeing it. The Rock and Vin Diesel in the same film? That's a recipe for a thin plot, lots of explosions, and a lot of punches being thrown. I couldn't be happier. :D
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:24:58pm |
re: #119 Lidane
I killed my landline because the only people calling me on it were political robocalls during the last elections and telemarketers. Everyone else called my cell phone.
Honestly? I don't miss it at all. Having just one phone number again makes my life so much easier.
I kept my landline because it's more reliable of a connection and way cheaper than the cell.
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CarleeCork Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:25:49pm |
re: #119 Lidane
I still get polled, and I want to make sure they hear from this over fifty moderate so I keep my landline.
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beartiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:26:05pm |
Oh dear, the called him a war criminal? What's next "former vice president"?
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zora Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:26:38pm |
re: #117 ggt
I prefer mindless and comical action films. Did you know the 5th Fast and Furious is coming out soon?
i'll watch anything with "the rock" in it. well almost anything. had no desire to see him in tights as the tooth fairy.
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CarleeCork Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:26:39pm |
re: #123 beartiger
Oh dear, the called him a war criminal? What's next "former vice president"?
Heartless bastard?
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:27:11pm |
Next movie I'm planning to see
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:27:30pm |
re: #124 zora
i'll watch anything with "the rock" in it. well almost anything. had no desire to see him in tights as the tooth fairy.
I watched it just to see Julie Andrews.
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zora Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:30:34pm |
[Link: movies.netflix.com...]
District B13: marvelous ass kicking from beginning to end.
lots of action. going to watch the sequel tomorrow.
[Link: movies.netflix.com...]
District 13: Ultimatum
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:31:21pm |
re: #122 CarleeCork
I still get polled, and I want to make sure they hear from this over fifty moderate so I keep my landline.
I never rated high enough to get polled. I'd just get the robocalls from [insert famous politician here] telling me to vote for [local/state candidate] because they supported [issue] and they cared about my future and my community.
Between them and the people trying to get me to contribute to whatever charity scam they were running or buy some product, I pretty much had no reason to have a landline anymore. Yeah, the cell is more expensive, but at least I can justify the expense given everything I use my iPhone for.
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:32:20pm |
re: #127 Mr Pancakes
I watched it just to see Julie Andrews.
That's the whole reason I sat through both Princess Diaries films. Plus, I like Anne Hathaway, so I'll make the sacrifice for her.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:32:35pm |
monasosh monasosh
At checkpoints leading to TV building, TV employees are not allowed in #Jan25
A new morning, a new liberated area, national tv building
[Link: yfrog.com...]
[Link: yfrog.com...]
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zora Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:32:58pm |
re: #132 Lidane
That's the whole reason I sat through both Princess Diaries films. Plus, I like Anne Hathaway, so I'll make the sacrifice for her.
those movies were cute.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:33:07pm |
re: #123 beartiger
Oh dear, the called him a war criminal? What's next "former vice president"?
It's just lame Paulian BS. But its sick to see them agreeing with the moonbats like that. They don't see to care about the harm they're doing to the party.
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CarleeCork Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:33:28pm |
re: #131 Lidane
When the polls stop I'll probably ditch the landline as well. Other than the polls, I only get calls from people/places wanting donations.
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CarleeCork Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:35:26pm |
re: #132 Lidane
I have both of those on DVD, I'm a sucker for Julie Andrews and Anne Hathaway.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:35:41pm |
re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Got your weeks worth of emergency supplies on hand?
/sorta
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:36:12pm |
re: #131 Lidane
Unfortunately, the land lines are the only phones that work after a bad storm so we keep ours, but if not for that, I'd probably dump it.
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Kruk Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:36:50pm |
re: #129 engineer dog
ron, rand, ru
Heh, speaking of Libertarian wackiness, the best dueling press releases *ever*:
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:36:58pm |
re: #132 Lidane
That's the whole reason I sat through both Princess Diaries films. Plus, I like Anne Hathaway, so I'll make the sacrifice for her.
They are both great........ Julie Andrews can do no wrong in my book.
Maybe you've already seen it, my daughter told me about the movie "Ella Enchanted" so we watched it..... Anne is great as always. It's kind of a slapstick fantasy movie.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:37:17pm |
re: #133 Jadespring
Strikes in Egypt spread to transportation workers
Strikes also have erupted in a breadth of sectors — among railway and bus workers, state electricity staff and service technicians at the Suez Canal, in factories manufacturing textiles, steel and beverages and hospitals. Protest organizers have made a concerted effort to bring labor movements into the protests.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:39:12pm |
re: #139 marjoriemoon
Unfortunately, the land lines are the only phones that work after a bad storm so we keep ours, but if not for that, I'd probably dump it.
That is true sometimes.
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:39:31pm |
re: #134 zora
those movies were cute.
So was the love interest in the second film. He was also Kirk in the recent Star Trek reboot.
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:40:48pm |
re: #144 Lidane
So was the love interest in the second film. He was also Kirk in the recent Star Trek reboot.
He was also Darwin Tremor of the Tremor Brothers.
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:41:11pm |
re: #144 Lidane
So was the love interest in the second film. He was also Kirk in the recent Star Trek reboot.
I liked him in Bottle Shock...... great hidden gem of a movie.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:44:07pm |
Egyptian strikes:
Workers were striking in Suez, Mahalla, and other industrial cities. Postal workers were protesting, and government telecom employees were demanding that the president step down. Professional unions and syndicates had begun to align themselves with the revolution, and medical students and doctors staged a march in their white coats, from a public hospital, down to Tahrir. Someone tweeted “I counted 16 different strikes in two days, 4 in factories owned by army, more to come,” and another, “Almost all public transportation garages in Cairo are on strike now #Jan25 #Egypt #revolution”.
[Link: www.nybooks.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:45:38pm |
re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He was also Darwin Tremor of the Tremor Brothers.
[Video]
Given how all three of those Nazi assholes get wasted, aren't they all named Darwin? :D
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:45:50pm |
Good night all.
Be well.
Sleep tight.
Everyone reading.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:46:58pm |
re: #149 jaunte
Egyptian strikes:
I think today is going to be big.
The blocking state tv thing could be fairly major. It's an attempt to cut off the mouth piece of the regime.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:47:15pm |
Egypt's Muslims and Christians join hands in protest
A group of young men and women belted out a song of the 1919 revolution, accompanied by a guitar. "Arise O Egypt, arise. Arise Egyptians: Muslims, Christians and Jews."
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Lidanghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:47:58pm |
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:48:09pm |
re: #150 Dark_Falcon
Given how all three of those Nazi assholes get wasted, aren't they all named Darwin? :D
The other 2 were Jeeves and Lester.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:50:16pm |
re: #153 jaunte
Egypt's Muslims and Christians join hands in protest
A group of young men and women belted out a song of the 1919 revolution, accompanied by a guitar. "Arise O Egypt, arise. Arise Egyptians: Muslims, Christians and Jews."
There are less than a hundred Jews still living in Egypt.
The population in 1948 was 75,000.
I'd like to be more excited about their newfound interest in religious harmony.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:51:21pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, it's a token. At least they said it.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:52:35pm |
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Amory Blaine Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:56:32pm |
Not that it means anything...
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jaunte Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:58:41pm |
Some legal issues for a transition of power in Egypt:
Mubarak's inability to speak clearly reflects the degradation of democracy in Egypt during his decades in power. So much legal, indeed constitutional, change is personally dependent on the President, from dissolving parliament and the government to amending the national charter itself. The succession issue is fraught because of it. For years, Mubarak had no Vice President to delegate any of his powers to and was, in fact, only forced to pick one after the demonstrations started on Jan. 25. And, in one constitutional scenario, a presidential election would have been required within 60 days of him leaving office — a precipitous situation no one in Egypt today wants. As for the parliament, which has an important role in any succession, it cannot meet because it does not have a quorum. The results of the last legislative elections, at the end of 2010, were so widely considered fraudulent that more than 184 seats out of 508 are being contested in lawsuits. Thus, an orderly transition required Mubarak to speak precisely. If that was what he was trying to do on Thursday night, he failed miserably.
[Link: www.time.com...]
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Mr Pancakes Thu, Feb 10, 2011 9:58:54pm |
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What, me worry? Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:07:18pm |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
There are less than a hundred Jews still living in Egypt.
The population in 1948 was 75,000.
I'd like to be more excited about their newfound interest in religious harmony.
Ah well, 2 outa 3 ain't bad ;)
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simoom Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:08:38pm |
Limbaugh: ... Mubarak is still in power. The CIA says he might leave. NBC says he's outta there. Fox is saying we're pretty sure he's outta there. CNN's saying, "waah... Foreign Ministry is saying he's not going anywhere." So in the middle of all this, our young, boy president deigned to speak.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:10:19pm |
Hey all, got called away for a bit. Laundry and all . . .
What happened?
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:11:24pm |
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:12:33pm |
Found a movie that seems interesting. Deathwatch, about a British platoon in WWI that finds a haunted trenchline. Has Andy Serkis in it.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:14:56pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:21:50pm |
It is truly the end of the world as we know it.
Britain Faces Closing The Book On Libraries
"Among the toughest decisions the local politicians face is whether to shut down their public libraries. About 400 or so have been targeted for closure already ... sparking an outcry from communities across the country.
There was a time in Britain, say 160 years ago, when some in Parliament didn't believe in public libraries at all. The worry was, if the working class read books, it would get dangerous ideas and rise up against the government.
That's not the debate today. But this is still sensitive ground for politicians.
Prime Minister David Cameron stressed that his government is happy to invest in libraries, if they evolve."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:26:41pm |
WoW!
Obama Gives Black Leaders Bad News On Likely Budget Cuts
Obama soon will submit to Congress a proposed budget that would slice $300 million from community development block grants, the biggest funding source enabling local governments to deliver everything from economic development to road repairs to law enforcement resources — particularly in communities with heavy concentrations of poor and minority residents.
The administration also wants to slash half the $350 million in annual spending on community service block grants, which aid the poorest children and families. (The change also would convert the program into a competitive grant process.)
Not a rosy outlook for members of the National Policy Alliance who attended the White House meetings as representatives for several associations of black mayors, state lawmakers and local officials. It compounds the economic downturn's harsh impact on blacks, whose unemployment rate is at 15.7 percent, compared with the national rate of 9 percent
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Kragarghazi Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:27:59pm |
If Obama speaks, they say he's sending the wrong message and if he keeps quiet, he's ignoring the problem. Got to love the wingnuts.
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freetoken Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:28:58pm |
re: #169 ggt
The UK is going through some hard times, and I suspect it'll get worse.
For example, higher ed is being forced to consolidate departments.
And the national government's expenditure on research is being cut and will be cut more. It's gotten to the point where a decision will have to be made whether entire research fields will be dropped.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:30:15pm |
Speaking In Defense Of Science
"A country that distrusts science is condemned to move straight back to medieval obscurantism.
While many countries are working hard to educate their young about the values of science and of scientific research, in the U.S. countless people are teaching them to mistrust science and scientists, taking every opportunity to politicize and theologize the scientific discourse in ways completely incompatible with the goals and modus operandi of the scientific enterprise.
Now, many will say that they are not anti-science per se, just against the science that clashes with their religious beliefs. So, antibiotics are fine, but the theory of evolution is not. If only they'd take the time to learn about how antibiotics work and about how over-prescribing can result in germ mutations that render some antibiotics ineffective. It's is a real-time illustration of the theory of evolution at work.
Or take the statement made by Bill O'Reilly, that my co-blogger Adam Frank posted here yesterday, concerning the tides and the existence of the moon. Can a man living in the 21st century, and with enormous media clout, actually state that God put the moon around the Earth to promote the tides? Apparently, yes."
emphasis mine
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freetoken Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:30:37pm |
re: #170 ggt
That, however, is just a tiny fraction of what the GOP has proposed so far. Did you catch the news the past 2 days, about the various things slashed in the "moderate" Republicans' proposals? And, the Tea Partiers are unhappy because they want at least twice as many cuts as the leadership have proposed.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:30:48pm |
re: #173 freetoken
The UK is going through some hard times, and I suspect it'll get worse.
For example, higher ed is being forced to consolidate departments.
And the national government's expenditure on research is being cut and will be cut more. It's gotten to the point where a decision will have to be made whether entire research fields will be dropped.
ouch
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Gretchen G.Tiger Thu, Feb 10, 2011 10:33:27pm |
going to sleep.
Have a great late night/morning all!
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Marek Bage Thu, Feb 10, 2011 11:15:24pm |
Somebody just off mike, but presumably on stage, asks "Are you Canadian?" at the 1:35 mark.
Bigotry abounds with this lot, doesn't it?
Cheers
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treasured people Thu, Feb 10, 2011 11:18:01pm |
Ron Paul has a problem with military assistance to Israel. He does not realize that the US needs Israel more than Israel needs the US. Support for Israel gives the US moral standing in the world. Withdrawal of this support would undermine American legitimacy as a moral beacon. America's character would be irreparably damaged as a result.
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freetoken Thu, Feb 10, 2011 11:25:50pm |
re: #182 treasured people
He does not realize that the US needs Israel more than Israel needs the US.
What Ron Paul "realizes" or not ... I don't really know.
But, I disagree with your assertion above.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Feb 11, 2011 12:04:23am |
re: #77 jaunte
tweet:
Margoandhow Margo Howard rt by ebertchicago
"The powerful Rep. majority has continued its laserlike focus on jobs by arguing about abortion & failing 2 pass the bills it votes on."
Maybe we should stop fretting about all of the crazy bills the GOP House wants to pass. It looks as if they have forgotten how to whip up enough votes to pass them anyway.
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thefarmer Fri, Feb 11, 2011 12:05:36am |
Did any of the speakers @ CPAC address the current situation in Egypt?
It's morning there, ca. 10 am and I'm wondering what today might bring. Yesterday had so much conflicting info. I'm wondering if the military is split, they acted liked Mubarak was going. Had a top level meeting w/out him, the CIC. Another one scheduled today.
Tough times for people seeking freedom. My prayers are w/ them.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 12:59:58am |
re: #186 thefarmer
Did any of the speakers @ CPAC address the current situation in Egypt?
Don't know. From what has been posted it appears as if the gathering was the Paulians vs. Neocons, with a half-time show of beating up on the EPA.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:01:34am |
I may stay up till just after the mid-day prayers in Cairo to see whats happening. Thats about an hour and a half from now I believe.
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EdDantes Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:06:56am |
I thought Cheney looked like an old and grey Merkin Muffley .
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:33:29am |
Hehe... Pat Buchanan is angry.
It seems he took GWB's little foray into American history personally.
Bush said:
Speaking at a forum at Southern Methodist University last month, Bush said that he had faith a "rational immigration policy" would eventually be passed, but not for a while. The reason he believed this, he said, was because the nation as growing increasingly resistant to outside influences.
"What's interesting about our country, if you study history, is that there are some 'isms' that occasionally pop up. One is isolationism and its evil twin protectionism and its evil triplet nativism. So if you study the '20s, for example, there was an American-first policy that said, 'Who cares what happens in Europe?'" Bush said. "And there was an immigration policy that I think during this period argued we had too many Jews and too many Italians, therefore we should have no immigrants. And my point is that we've been through this kind of period of isolationism, protectionism and nativism. I'm a little concerned that we may be going through the same period. I hope that these 'isms' pass." [...]
That really ruffled Buchanan's feathers. From Buchanan's latest article:
George W. Bush must have been the despair of the history department of every school his daddy managed to get him into.
Consider his latest excursion into the history of the republic, at Southern Methodist, where the Great Man's papers are to be housed.
[...]
Buchanan then goes on to try and make some points, but in a very devious way. He actually reads into Bush's statement small changes on what Bush actually said.
BTW, I came across this taking a quick look at the latest Townhall postings. What a mess, they've gone from bad to worse. A zoo of xenophobia pretending to be something else.
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AK-47% Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:37:20am |
Immigration reform was one of the few things about Bush policy that I could wholeheartedly support, but his own party shot it down.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:49:20am |
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:50:47am |
Armed Forces just released their statement.....
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:52:50am |
re: #192 laZardo
Conservatives.
Speaking of those self-declared as such, here is Rand Paul's CPAC speech from yesterday:
He's looking and sounding more and more like his father every day.
What you're watching there is a real hotbed of magical thinking.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:53:36am |
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:54:38am |
re: #197 freetoken
They again tried to stay neutral. They wont form an interim government, they wont remove Mubarak, nor will they attack the protesters.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 1:55:47am |
Sandmonkey and others are unimpressed with the military statement on twitter.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:00:28am |
re: #200 Alexzander
Heck, I'm not impressed with the statement, accepting that your summary is accurate.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:05:36am |
re: #186 thefarmer
Did any of the speakers @ CPAC address the current situation in Egypt?
Heh, it turns out somebody did! None other than... The Donald himself ( a little bit past halfway into the clip):
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:07:07am |
re: #201 freetoken
Heck, I'm not impressed with the statement, accepting that your summary is accurate.
The other thing they said is that the emergency law will come to an end when the upcoming elections are completed/the current situation ends.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:08:03am |
Boy, if stupidity was a required quality for CPAC attendance then Trump would be a shoe-in to speak there...
... oh, he was.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:14:09am |
re: #205 Alexzander
There used to be more, but they became a clique that essentially bounced en masse when Charles decided to not put up anymore with the reactionary right.
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EdDantes Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:16:45am |
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:17:00am |
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:17:54am |
re: #205 Alexzander
I wish there were more night owls on LGF.
Well, here in opposite land I'd just be diurnal. :P
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EdDantes Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:20:45am |
re: #208 freetoken
Dream a little dream of me. The mamas and the papas 1966 ( the original any way)
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SteelGHAZI Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:21:38am |
re: #205 Alexzander
I'm here. I am a man of few words. Most of them swears. :)
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:24:32am |
re: #210 EdDantes
Dream a little dream of me. The mamas and the papas 1966 ( the original any way)
I beg for warmth on a winters day~...oh wait, we don't have winter in the tropics. >:C
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AK-47% Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:28:13am |
re: #210 EdDantes
Dream a little dream of me. The mamas and the papas 1966 ( the original any way)
The song dates from 1931, and was made famous by Kate Smith...
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EdDantes Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:29:18am |
re: #212 laZardo
I beg for warmth on a winters day~...oh wait, we don't have winter in the tropics. >:C
The Preacher likes the cold. He knows you're going to stay.
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AK-47% Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:31:49am |
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EdDantes Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:32:35am |
re: #213 ralphieboy
The song dates from 1931, and was made famous by Kate Smith...
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EdDantes Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:34:07am |
re: #216 EdDantes
What happened to my comment? I just quoted Ralphie Boy.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:42:29am |
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freetoken Fri, Feb 11, 2011 2:53:32am |
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AK-47% Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:16:56am |
re: #220 EdDantes
Good night. God help the Egyptians.
Posted this elsewhere, but I am sure that Mubarak is just buying time until he can park his Piasters safely, then he will leave the county for "medical reasons" and never return - at least as President.
He says his wish is to "die on Egyptian soil" - perhaps they can arrange to send him a few crates full of it like Dracula.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:26:35am |
Gotta love this show. Last night's episode featured an angel with a boner from looking at internet porn.
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:39:15am |
re: #223 Jimmah
Gotta love this show. Last night's episode featured an angel with a boner from looking at internet porn.
[Video]
Oh, I thought you meant...
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Nemesis6 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:43:58am |
Chanting "USA USA" at a Republican like Cheney just strikes me as weird! :-/
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:52:42am |
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Ghazicide Fri, Feb 11, 2011 3:58:58am |
Climate Crocks posts another concise summation on the Right Wing Echo Chamber...
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:06:26am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:17:20am |
Okay,, who made coffee and where are the cups!?
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:18:19am |
re: #231 sattv4u2
Okay,, who made coffee and where are the cups!?
Dark roast, on the counter. Chok took all the cream again.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:19:19am |
re: #232 rwdflynavy
Dark roast, on the counter. Chok took all the cream again.
n/p ,, I often have it black , and even when not I only have a small dash of cream
thanks
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:20:26am |
re: #233 sattv4u2
n/p ,, I often have it black , and even when not I only have a small dash of cream
thanks
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:23:05am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:23:31am |
re: #235 sattv4u2
Great
You have me in the role of a snooty PROMISCUOUS 11 year old girl!!
forgot that part
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:27:09am |
re: #235 sattv4u2
Great
You have me in the role of a snooty 11 year old girl!!
Anytime I hear someone say they take their coffee black, I think of that line.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:39:17am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:39:26am |
I'm in a Holiday Inn Express in Richmond (where I spend 3-5 nights a week for work) and after five years have finally found a room that does not have a 5 undecillion candlepower halogen light right beside the window.
Yay! I can sleep!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:40:30am |
re: #239 Alouette
Boker tov, Lizardia!
Can he come over for some remodeling I'm doing !?!?!
/
CONGRATS!!
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:41:41am |
re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm in a Holiday Inn Express in Richmond (where I spend 3-5 nights a week for work) and after five years have finally found a room that does not have a 5 undecillion candlepower halogen light right beside the window.
Yay! I can sleep!
umm,,, errr,, would have taken me about 5 MINUTES
"umm,,Mr manager ,,, seeing how I'm PAYING for this room to SLEEP in ,,,"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:50:03am |
re: #242 sattv4u2
I'd been in just about every room in the hotel. They're all the same. As I was pulling up the other day I noticed one window with no artificial lighting hitting it. Pulled the manager outside and asked him that room number.
210 is MINE FOREVER!
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:50:13am |
re: #239 Alouette
[insert Hebrew celebratory exclamation here because I don't know Hebrew]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:51:15am |
re: #239 Alouette
Wait. You're Jewish?
/
Congrats.
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 4:54:31am |
re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'd been in just about every room in the hotel. They're all the same. As I was pulling up the other day I noticed one window with no artificial lighting hitting it. Pulled the manager outside and asked him that room number.
210 is MINE FOREVER!
Congratulations, you just jinxed it. :D
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 11, 2011 5:00:54am |
re: #237 rwdflynavy
Anytime I hear someone say they take their coffee black, I think of that line.
I was in a couple's home recently, he's white; his wife is black.
Asked me how I wanted my coffee. (way deep inside my brain, I smirked).
Then he said, "I like coffee like I like my women; hot, black, and bitter."
She rolled her eyes... I'm guessing that wasn't the first time in her life she'd heard that one.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 5:34:07am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 5:36:21am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Feb 11, 2011 5:47:03am |
re: #249 sattv4u2
sorry... i have to mope on to work now.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 5:54:15am |
Fox News has certainly been achieving its goals:
Fox News Poll: Most Americans See Events in Egypt as Worrisome Rather Than Inspiring
After more than two weeks of mass protests in Egypt, 67 percent of American voters describe events in that country as “worrisome.” That’s more than three times as many as see the events as “inspiring” (19 percent).
The unrest began on January 25 and continued through today. Protesters vowed to continue until Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak resigned. Thursday evening Mubarak announced he will stay in office until September.
Republicans (81 percent) and those who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement (82 percent) are among the most likely to describe the events as “worrisome.”Democrats (26 percent) and independents (23 percent) are more than twice as likely as Republicans (9 percent) to see the events in Egypt as “inspiring.”
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Ericus58 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:00:22am |
Brooklyn Tony returns from school and says he got an F in arithmetic..
"Why?" asks the father.
The teacher asked ' How much is 2 x 3,' I said '6,'" replies TONY.
"But that's right!" says his dad.
"Yeah, but then she asked me ' How much is 3 x 2?'"
"What's the fucking difference ?" asks the father.
"That's what I said!"
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:15:05am |
Mornin' everyone. Fear not, for Neil will save the world.
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Ericus58 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:15:18am |
With Panetta talking more like a politician and not the head of our CIA in his announcements, and then having the DNI's James Clapper say that the Muslim Brotherhood was "Largely Secular," "Has Eschewed Violence"....
My confidence in our Intelligence heads has somewhat diminished...
In Truth, I'm not sure it was that high to begin with...
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:19:59am |
re: #253 Talking Point Detective
Fox News has certainly been achieving its goals:
Can you imagine a Fox News host as a parent to a small child?
"Happy Birthday. Here's an Elmo doll you wanted. He's red because he's a communist who wants to destroy America by accepting others for who they are. Enjoy."
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:22:26am |
Steve Brusk (CNN) tweets:
Ari Fleisher at forum with former White House press secretaries at GW: don't tell anyone but I think Pres. Obama is handling Egypt well
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:24:32am |
Hearing these nut jobs is a necessary part of the process. Huntsmann might be better off staying in China until the last minute so he can distance himself from these people. And Romney would be smart to come out against these people at the opportune time.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:37:55am |
re: #259 _RememberTonyC
valiant effort by the C's last night, being down to 9 guys (two of them rookies with little to no playing time)
LA can't feel too good beating them by only 6 points
OTOH ,, CONGRATS to Ray Allen
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:38:37am |
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:39:21am |
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:41:54am |
re: #263 darthstar
has broken
...like the first morning. Blackbird has spoken. Like the first bird....
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:43:25am |
Egypt is one of the biggest situations of stalemate that I've ever seen.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:43:36am |
re: #265 Jadespring
...like the first morning. Blackbird has spoken. Like the first bird...
Probably to cut a deal for himself, the stool pigeon!
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:45:09am |
re: #265 Jadespring
...like the first morning. Blackbird has spoken. Like the first bird...
Praise for the Hummer... backed out the driveway.
Ran over the Blackbird... praise for the spring.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:46:15am |
re: #268 Walter L. Newton
Praise for the Hummer... backed out the driveway.
Ran over the Blackbird... praise for the spring.
Hey Walter - I haven't seen your shiny visage in a while. How the hell are you?
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:50:03am |
Now the media needs more camera crews to cover everything. Damn protesters, making it more complicated by spreading to different spots.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:50:43am |
Oh and State TV is having issues. Some of their anchors can't get in anymore.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:51:32am |
re: #269 darthstar
Hey Walter - I haven't seen your shiny visage in a while. How the hell are you?
I've been here... off and on. I got back from Paris three weeks ago with a nasty bronchial infection, then Krogers called be back to work from my lay off, had to go on antibiotics, then my 8 year old HP computer's mother board finally died, had to buy a new Dell and get all my data transfered and synced up... it's just been over the last few days that I've had my old energy back.
Paris trip was great, except for getting sick one day before returning. Spent the last day in the hotel room in Menilmontant while the girlfriend decided to hit the streets and finish up sightseeing herself. I though that was really neat, since she had never been to Paris before, and I was feeling bad about possibly ruining her last day in town, but she headed out and spent about 12 hours on her own... good for her.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:51:34am |
re: #266 Jadespring
Egypt is one of the biggest situations of stalemate that I've ever seen.
Not really "stalemate", imho
More like gamesmanship
The people made their move (taking to the streets in protest)
Mubarak has made his ("relinquishing" some powers, but staying)
People will intensify the protests (unknown how far they will go)
NEXT MOVE !?!?!?!
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:54:26am |
re: #273 sattv4u2
Not really "stalemate", imho
More like gamesmanship
The people made their move (taking to the streets in protest)
Mubarak has made his ("relinquishing" some powers, but staying)
People will intensify the protests (unknown how far they will go)NEXT MOVE !?!?!?!
True.
Next moves: Army is feeding the protesters bread etc. Throwing candy over the walls of the Pres palace. (PR and placation)
Protesters look like they're setting up a more permanent encampment in front of the Palace. Tents are going up and a group of doctors came in to set up a medical area.
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sattv4u2 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:55:49am |
and on that note
the long quiet drive home beckons
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:59:26am |
re: #272 Walter L. Newton
I'll bet that was great for her, to get out on her own in Paris. I remember my first time walking around a foreign city on my own. Suddenly, whatever interests you is really all that matters, and that's a good feeling.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Feb 11, 2011 6:59:58am |
re: #274 Jadespring
True.
Next moves: Army is feeding the protesters bread etc. Throwing candy over the walls of the Pres palace. (PR and placation)Protesters look like they're setting up a more permanent encampment in front of the Palace. Tents are going up and a group of doctors came in to set up a medical area.
The military may well be king-making at their higher levels. But I think to a large degree that it might be a good thing that they're not explicitly doing so at the lower levels. It's not something you want your army to develop a habit towards doing.
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Sionainn Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:02:04am |
Egyptian state television is reporting that an "important" statement will be coming soon.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:04:34am |
re: #278 Sionainn
Egyptian state television is reporting that an "important" statement will be coming soon.
My bet is on the first TV version of the Nigerian scam. Which will require everyone to go home to get the proper personal information in order to claim their money...
//
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prairiefire Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:05:20am |
re: #277 oaktree
The military may well be king-making at their higher levels. But I think to a large degree that it might be a good thing that they're not explicitly doing so at the lower levels. It's not something you want your army to develop a habit towards doing.
I'm sure most of the power is at the highest levels. The army boots on the ground are mostly young conscripts. Conscripted service people can often feel conflicted and aren't as malleable as volunteer boots.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:05:34am |
re: #276 darthstar
I'll bet that was great for her, to get out on her own in Paris. I remember my first time walking around a foreign city on my own. Suddenly, whatever interests you is really all that matters, and that's a good feeling.
I know what you mean. She got an intensive 9 days of learning the metro systems and the layout of the city from me, but still, I have to admit, I was both excited and at the same time concerned about her running around a strange European city on her own. I'd be worried about anyone running around any strange city on their own.
But it worked out fine. Actually so fine I was jealous because she hit up some places that I had never seen, places like the museum of technology, where the large Foucoult's pendulum is (also the stepping off point of Eco's satirical conspiracy novel "Foucoult's pendulum.")
And she found a really neat open market that sold all sorts of birds for pets. I didn't even know that market existed.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:07:24am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. All eyes are on Egypt and no one apparently knows where Mubarak is or who exactly is in charge. The rumor mill is churning furiously.
U.S. officials tell NBC News that they believe vice president is now running Egypt. There are reports Mubarak has left Cairo for a Sinai resort (Sharm el Sheikh?) Presidency to make 'important' statement soon, Egypt TV says.
Is it possible that the Army got hoodwinked by Mubarak's defiant tone in last night's speech, and they've had enough - especially with the crowds growing even louder and more boisterous since Mubarak decided to essentially replay his speech from last week that was just as tone deaf?
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Lidanghazi Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:10:55am |
re: #259 _RememberTonyC
Hearing these nut jobs is a necessary part of the process. Huntsmann might be better off staying in China until the last minute so he can distance himself from these people. And Romney would be smart to come out against these people at the opportune time.
Huntsman would be smarter if he didn't run in 2012 at all, and instead let all these nutjobs and all this Bad Crazy play itself out. Besides, he willingly took an appointment from Obama, and he's considered a moderate. He couldn't win the primaries right now anyway. Better to let the GOP keep going full steam ahead into crazytown, let them lose in 2012, and then run in 2016.
As for Romney, these people hate him anyway for Romneycare and they don't trust him because all he's ever done is look for the opportune time to say anything. He wouldn't win either.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:14:14am |
Good morning everyone from sunny (really!) Philadelphia. Third day in a row of clear sunny skies in the morning with sub-freezing tempetures. A bracing wind as well from the west-southwest to help one walk faster.
Today's cooking special is slow cooker pulled pork BBQ*. 4lbs of pork shoulder given a spicy dry rub two days ago, and now in the crockpot with some onions and a little water. Final prep this evening using some spicy sauce, more onions, and just a bit more cooking.
* - Yes, you need a grill for *real* BBQ. But given that it's winter, I don't have a grill, and further requirements I've settled for a slow cooker variation.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:15:45am |
Interesting. Protesters trying to set up a provisional peoples government.
A 7-guy prov government has to be born right now at #tahrir ! tomorrow we can ad 3 ppl from alexandria and 5 from the rest of #egypt!
Check out @Camel25Jan
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:16:00am |
re: #282 lawhawk
It certainly doesn't help when the CIA director is getting his Intel from cable news programming.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:19:21am |
Tweet: Hossam Badrawy has resigned from NDP according to BBC Arabic
He's is or was the secretary general.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:20:37am |
acarvin Andy Carvin
AJE: small town in Sinai: at least killed, 20 injured by police station; fighting btwn people and police; guns and RPGs involved. #jan25
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:22:57am |
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:29:29am |
re: #289 researchok
Not good- and not unexpected.
The police and military are a privileged lot. They know very well who butters their bread.
I'm pleasantly surprised that more stuff like this hasn't happened. I think it speaks well for the demonstrators involved.
In terms of the military, I think that there is a possibility of a split occurring between the ranks. The generals and higher ups are that really enjoy the priviledges of the regime, power and wealth. They have to most to lose with a change in power structure. The lower ranks not so much. There's already been unconfirmed reports of soldiers joining the protest. Would the people actually doing the shooting do so if the order came through from the seat sitters?
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:39:54am |
re: #288 Jadespring
The situation in Sinai is quite a bit more complicated. There are Bedouin tribes that have been repressed by the government for a long time (and have frequently carried out attacks against the army and civilian tourists from time to time), and this is part of their payback. They were likely behind the attack on the gas refinery/pipeline that runs to Israel and Jordan, and they aren't going to show the kind of restraint seen elsewhere - and the military isn't going to show them restraint either.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:41:35am |
re: #289 researchok
The military serve by conscription. The vast majority are not members of the elite. Even many of the officers are not members of the elite class.
The situation with the police is very different. They are thugs.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:41:49am |
Wow. The pictures coming out right now are amazing. So many people all over the place!
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:42:18am |
re: #290 Jadespring
I'm pleasantly surprised that more stuff like this hasn't happened. I think it speaks well for the demonstrators involved.
In terms of the military, I think that there is a possibility of a split occurring between the ranks. The generals and higher ups are that really enjoy the priviledges of the regime, power and wealth. They have to most to lose with a change in power structure. The lower ranks not so much. There's already been unconfirmed reports of soldiers joining the protest. Would the people actually doing the shooting do so if the order came through from the seat sitters?
I'm not as optimistic as you are.
The government and military have have years to plan what to do in case of a crisis, with response to varying scenarios. After all, that is what governments and the military do- prepare for any and all possibilities.
My fear is we are watching a well scripted response and the minute the military sees itself threatened, they will respond with varying and escalating force as needed,
I have noted many times that
When nations that are that are led by or are under the influence of tyrants or dictators, attempt to justify those actions, we can rightly assume that justification is false. Tyrants and dictators do not make moral choices, because moral choices can only lead to the demise of the tyranny.
Anyone that comes to the defense of tyrannical regimes and their leaders, have themselves made a conscious choice to defend and stand by what is immoral. They themselves consciously adopt an immoral posture.
Egypt will not fall to a tweeting crowd, in my opinion.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:43:39am |
AJELive AJELive
Protesters say that the army has given up and are letting them control the flow of people at state TV building: [Link: aje.me...]
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:45:15am |
re: #295 researchok
Egypt will not fall to a tweeting crowd, in my opinion.
It's hardly all a tweeting crowd anymore. Even if it ever was at the beginning.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:46:20am |
re: #297 Jadespring
It's hardly all a tweeting crowd anymore. Even if it ever was at the beginning.
And the crowd hasn't tested the military, either.
Wisely.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:47:00am |
re: #290 Jadespring
I'm pleasantly surprised that more stuff like this hasn't happened. I think it speaks well for the demonstrators involved.
In terms of the military, I think that there is a possibility of a split occurring between the ranks. The generals and higher ups are that really enjoy the priviledges of the regime, power and wealth. They have to most to lose with a change in power structure. The lower ranks not so much. There's already been unconfirmed reports of soldiers joining the protest. Would the people actually doing the shooting do so if the order came through from the seat sitters?
Many of the officers have received a lot of training in the U.S., with much exposure to American values and culture - which might affect their outlook towards repressing people protesting for increased democracy in Egypt.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:48:21am |
re: #292 lawhawk
The situation in Sinai is quite a bit more complicated. There are Bedouin tribes that have been repressed by the government for a long time (and have frequently carried out attacks against the army and civilian tourists from time to time), and this is part of their payback. They were likely behind the attack on the gas refinery/pipeline that runs to Israel and Jordan, and they aren't going to show the kind of restraint seen elsewhere - and the military isn't going to show them restraint either.
What numbers in terms of how many Bedouins? Not familiar at all with them or that region.
Just asking because the news reports coming out about this are saying that the attack on the police station occured after about 1000 protesters peeled off a the larger demonstration.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:49:57am |
re: #298 researchok
And the crowd hasn't tested the military, either.
Wisely.
That's part of what I meant in my comment about the demonstrators. They aren't doing it and playing the game as well. It's part of their strategy. They know the key is keeping and bringing the army to their side.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:52:03am |
re: #295 researchok
Anyone that comes to the defense of tyrannical regimes and their leaders, have themselves made a conscious choice to defend and stand by what is immoral. They themselves consciously adopt an immoral posture.
This doesn't describe the vast majority who who are compelled to serve in the Egyptian military.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:52:50am |
From State TV
Egyptian TV News reader : We apologize , we read lies against our own well !!
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 7:54:18am |
richardengelnbc richard engel
#egypt.. State tv broadcasting live phone conversations with demonstrators in front of TV bldg
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:01:24am |
This State TV development is significant. Now anchors are talking directly with protesters and admitting mistakes and that they were reporting misinformation.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:02:03am |
To the extremists now running the House of Representatives, this is somehow bad news. The Republican majority's draft resolution to fund the federal government, released today by the appropriations committee, would end all federal support for the Title X program. The budget resolution is the latest in series of Republican assaults on women's rights and women's health. Reps. Chris Smith (R-NJ), Joseph Pitts (R-Penn) and Mike Pence (R-IN) are all pushing bills that shred basic health care in their zeal to restrict access to women's health, including abortion. The Pence bill would gut the Title X program by defunding any health center that provides abortion services -- even though Title X has never paid for a single abortion. Pence has mounted a heartless, even vicious, assault on the millions of women who rely on Title X clinics for primary health care. Yet the appropriations bill is even harsher. It would simply kill the whole program.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:04:35am |
Military takeover as Mubarak steps down.
Behind the scenes not yet known.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:05:24am |
Holy shit.
Now reporting that statement says Sulimien has stated that Mubarak has stepped down.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:05:49am |
re: #308 researchok
Military takeover as Mubarak steps down.
Behind the scenes not yet known.
Woah! WOW! and Double-WOW!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:06:49am |
People want freedom.
such a cool thing.
Remaining positive until proven otherwise.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:07:58am |
We'll see what that means.
So far, Suleiman seems to be in charge.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:08:50am |
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:09:02am |
Somebody has to be in charge, or there can't be an election.
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blueraven Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:09:14am |
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:09:23am |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:10:16am |
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:11:29am |
Egypt...
Is the new boss same as the old boss?
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:12:17am |
So far, Suleiman stays in power. As Mubarak said.
This may be more symbolic than anything else.
Time will tell.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:12:22am |
Mubarak shouldn't have used Palin's speechwriter yesterday...that wasn't a good idea.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:12:24am |
Apparently the military is in charge now.
What could go wrong?
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:12:36am |
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:12:56am |
Another source:
Hosni Mubarak resigns as president
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:13:30am |
re: #326 Fozzie Bear
Apparently the military is in charge now.
What could go wrong?
The military has always been in charge.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:13:33am |
CBS reporting that the tanks in front of the palace swiveled around to point their barrels at the palace instead of the protesters...a literal turn of events.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:14:17am |
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:14:44am |
Even with 300 dead, this has to be one of the most peaceful 'revolutions' in modern history.
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Tumulus11 Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:15:12am |
. The military is running Egypt but in fact it is the people who are now in control. The crowd in Tahrir square is in a frenzy of celebration.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:15:31am |
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:17:28am |
re: #332 Alexzander
Even with 300 dead, this has to be one of the most peaceful 'revolutions' in modern history.
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Buck Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:18:37am |
re: #332 Alexzander
Even with 300 dead, this has to be one of the most peaceful 'revolutions' in modern history.
Revolution's not over yet..
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:21:38am |
re: #334 researchok
I didn't want to correct your spelling.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:21:57am |
re: #338 Varek Raith
Watch as Rush cries as Mubarak leaves.
I noticed a turn on some right-wing websites in the last 24 hours; somewhat of a takeback on the previous support for Mubarak.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:22:01am |
re: #338 Varek Raith
Watch as Rush cries as Mubarak leaves.
This will be spun as a Democratic/Obama failure and GOP success regardless of the actual facts and changing conditions.
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_RememberTonyC Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:23:00am |
Congratulations to the people of Egypt. May your future leaders cast aside old prejudices and a decrepit ideology and move in a positive direction for yourselves, your neighbors, and the world.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:23:35am |
Undaunted, protesters streamed into Tahrir Square in central Cairo for what was expected to be the largest demonstration yet in weeks of anti-government displays. Crowds of protesters also gathered outside parliament, the headquarters of state television and at the presidential palace.
"We expected the army's decision; we always knew that it was behind Mubarak. But we know it's not going to harm us," Safi Massoud said as she joined thousands of people packed into the square.
People trust the Army more than their leader. . . .
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:23:56am |
"Suleiman: The CIA's Man In Cairo"
Actual AJE sidebar tweet.
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Buck Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:24:01am |
OK, so Pannetta was right, just a few hours off. His sources were just a little ahead of themselves. I feel better.
/
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:24:24am |
re: #341 oaktree
This will be spun as a Democratic/Obama failure and GOP success regardless of the actual facts and changing conditions.
President Obama let nature take its course. All the second guessing, all the armchair quarterbacking that the Republicans do means jack shit. Even Ari Fleischer (not exactly a liberal loon) admitted President Obama handled the situation well.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:24:25am |
re: #343 ggt
Undaunted, protesters streamed into Tahrir Square in central Cairo for what was expected to be the largest demonstration yet in weeks of anti-government displays. Crowds of protesters also gathered outside parliament, the headquarters of state television and at the presidential palace.
"We expected the army's decision; we always knew that it was behind Mubarak. But we know it's not going to harm us," Safi Massoud said as she joined thousands of people packed into the square.
People trust the Army more than their leader. . . .
Sorry for the bold everywhere, pimf
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:24:46am |
THIS is the most dangerous time for Egypt. What happens next decides their future.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:24:50am |
re: #345 Buck
OK, so Pannetta was right, just a few hours off. His sources were just a little ahead of themselves. I feel better.
/
Lol, the CIA completely missed many things over the last 40 years.
Don't expect that to change...
;)
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:25:14am |
re: #344 laZardo
"Suleiman: The CIA's Man In Cairo"
Actual AJE sidebar tweet.
There is a whole article at AJE under that title.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:25:42am |
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:26:06am |
re: #345 Buck
OK, so Pannetta was right, just a few hours off. His sources were just a little ahead of themselves. I feel better.
/
I think Panetta was right, but that Mubarak made a last ditch effort to hang on yesterday.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:26:17am |
The collapse of the Soviet Union?
CIA missed it.
Indian nukes?
CIA missed it.
Pakistani nukes?
CIA missed it.
WMD in Iraq?
CIA missed it.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:26:25am |
So, Mubarak eschewed his chance at a Nixon moment? Flying away from the palace?
Instead, he left in the dark of night, and left it up to Suleiman (his hand picked successor to announce that which Mubarak should have said last night).
Real Classy. /
And real dangerous - since his actions could have led to further rioting in the streets along with a loss of life.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:26:54am |
Other than window dressing, I can't see the real (and perceived) change.
Time will tell.
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blueraven Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:27:17am |
re: #326 Fozzie Bear
Apparently the military is in charge now.
What could go wrong?
They have been under emergency Martial Law for 30 years. I think this is an improvement. There will be elections. Have a little faith.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:27:21am |
re: #354 lawhawk
So, Mubarak eschewed his chance at a Nixon moment? Flying away from the palace?
[Video]Instead, he left in the dark of night, and left it up to Suleiman (his hand picked successor to announce that which Mubarak should have said last night).Real Classy. /
And real dangerous - since his actions could have led to further rioting in the streets along with a loss of life.
"I AM NOT A DICTATOR"
-Mubarak, giving peace signs as he leaves the country...
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:27:29am |
Egyptian television retracting their government message of "outside influences" and now celebrating the people who protested...suddenly, the rest of Egypt's 80 million people are looking up and saying, "WTF?"
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Ghazicide Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:27:47am |
keyboards furiously pecking about how this was a failure of Obama
Glenn Beck furiously rewriting his chalkboards
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:27:48am |
re: #350 Alexzander
There is a whole article at AJE under that title.
Yeah, my bad. Shoulda said sidebar article.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:28:35am |
re: #352 darthstar
I think Panetta was right, but that Mubarak made a last ditch effort to hang on yesterday.
Hm...CBS just said the same thing, that Mubarak changed his mind at the last minute yesterday in what was supposed to be his resignation speech.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:28:36am |
re: #359 BigPapa
keyboards furiously pecking about how this was a failure of Obama
Glenn Beck furiously rewriting his chalkboards
Gonna be a classic Beck performance tonight.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:28:42am |
re: #358 darthstar
Egyptian television retracting their government message of "outside influences" and now celebrating the people who protested...suddenly, the rest of Egypt's 80 million people are looking up and saying, "WTF?"
Yep. They've been retracting a lot this afternoon.
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calochortus Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:28:46am |
re: #353 Varek Raith
What WMD in Iraq? The ones we sold them? The CIA should have caught that.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:29:08am |
re: #355 researchok
Other than window dressing, I can't see the real (and perceived) change.
Time will tell.
Window dressing?
The military standing against the leader?
Mubarak leaving the country on his own two feet and not at gunpoint or in a body bag?
I agree that time will tell, but I think it is more than window dressing.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:29:18am |
re: #352 darthstar
I think Panetta was right, but that Mubarak made a last ditch effort to hang on yesterday.
Mubarak is a very old, and very stubborn man. It was a given from the start that he wouldn't fold easily. He might have been a dictator, but I don't think even he could have given an order to do what would have had to have been done to actually re-take control of the country. He would have had to kill tens of thousands, and he wasn't that evil.
The psychology of an old man decided the way this played out more than politics. Thank God his mommy loved him, or something. It could have been a LOT worse.
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calochortus Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:29:30am |
Seriously, though, I hope all goes well for the people of Egypt.
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:29:56am |
re: #353 Varek Raith
The collapse of the Soviet Union?
CIA missed it.Indian nukes?
CIA missed it.Pakistani nukes?
CIA missed it.WMD in Iraq?
CIAmissedfabricated it.
ftfy
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:30:32am |
re: #363 Jadespring
Yep. They've been retracting a lot this afternoon.
This is what it would look like if Fox News started reporting facts.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:31:04am |
re: #361 darthstar
Hm...CBS just said the same thing, that Mubarak changed his mind at the last minute yesterday in what was supposed to be his resignation speech.
Well...that was dumb of him.
The hell did he think would happen???
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darthstar Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:31:52am |
re: #370 Varek Raith
Well...that was dumb of him.
The hell did he think would happen???
As Fozzie said above - he's an old man. He probably just thought a stern word would suffice.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:32:08am |
re: #365 ggt
Window dressing?
The military standing against the leader?
Mubarak leaving the country on his own two feet and not at gunpoint or in a body bag?
I agree that time will tell, but I think it is more than window dressing.
All window dressing, so far.
Suleiman is in charge. Military will answer to him (nothing new).
Both Mubarak and Suleiman are military.
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laZardo Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:32:15am |
I'm not being hopeful.
More than that, I'm greenhearting this comment so I can totally say I called it sometime in the future by linking back to it.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:32:16am |
LaraABCNews Lara Setrakian
Firecrackers up and down the Nile, cars honking, people in the biggest street party #Egypt has ever seen.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:32:21am |
re: #370 Varek Raith
Well...that was dumb of him.
The hell did he think would happen???
The dude's 80 years old. Imagine somebody's crazy grandfather running a country of 80 million. Strange things will happen.
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Buck Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:32:47am |
re: #352 darthstar
I think Panetta was right, but that Mubarak made a last ditch effort to hang on yesterday.
I read somewhere that the source yesterday was CNN. Twitter has been making fun of it for hours. #PanettaSources
It has been pretty funny.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:34:29am |
It's nice when the CIA is hilariously wrong, rather than horrendously, tragically wrong, costing many thousands of lives.
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Buck Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:35:24am |
re: #377 Fozzie Bear
It's nice when the CIA is hilariously wrong, rather than horrendously, tragically wrong, costing many thousands of lives.
Revolution's not over yet..
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:35:53am |
re: #377 Fozzie Bear
It's nice when the CIA is hilariously wrong, rather than horrendously, tragically wrong, costing many thousands of lives.
Very well said.
May the CIA be a source of hilarity for a long time.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:35:58am |
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
A million congratulations to Egyptians. You are the heroes of the Arab World. #Jan25
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Now the real hard work begins.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:36:16am |
Remaining positive until proven otherwise.
Have a great day all!
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prairiefire Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:36:56am |
"Toppled"[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
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blueraven Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:36:57am |
re: #376 Buck
I read somewhere that the source yesterday was CNN. Twitter has been making fun of it for hours. #PanettaSources
It has been pretty funny.
hur hur. I guess Panetta was right after all. Mubarak called an audible last night. Didn't work out so well.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:37:51am |
Translated text of resignation statement.
In the name of God the merciful, the compassionate, citizens, during these very difficult circumstances Egypt is going through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to step down from the office of president of the republic and has charged the high council of the armed forces to administer the affairs of the country. May God help everybody.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:38:22am |
re: #361 darthstar
Yeah, he caught everyone off guard - rehashing last week's speech, and the army didn't stand for that at all. They shuffled him off to Sharm el Sheikh.
Suleiman is in charge, and he's Mubarak's chosen successor, but there will likely be a power play for how things will transition to a new regime. Suleiman could take on a caretaker role - and allow for the creation of political parties and oversee the election process, but he's got to step aside once that's done since he's a part of the ancien regime.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:38:40am |
re: #383 blueraven
hur hur. I guess Panetta was right after all. Mubarak called an audible last night. Didn't work out so well.
Mubarak - I will remain President!
Army - [Link: t3.gstatic.com...]
Mubarak - I will travel the world! See the sights!
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:39:07am |
re: #387 lawhawk
Yeah, he caught everyone off guard - rehashing last week's speech, and the army didn't stand for that at all. They shuffled him off to Sharm el Sheikh.
Suleiman is in charge, and he's Mubarak's chosen successor, but there will likely be a power play for how things will transition to a new regime. Suleiman could take on a caretaker role - and allow for the creation of political parties and oversee the election process, but he's got to step aside once that's done since he's a part of the ancien regime.
In other words:
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Now the real hard work begins.
22 minutes ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:40:14am |
re: #389 reine.de.tout
In other words:
Yes and as many others are saying, "...but tonight we celebrate..."
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:40:35am |
re: #389 reine.de.tout
In other words:
I just wonder how they will get rid of decades of well entrenched corruption.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:41:21am |
re: #391 researchok
I just wonder how they will get rid of decades of well entrenched corruption.
Slowly and painfully.
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:41:26am |
re: #388 Varek Raith
Mubarak - I will remain President!
Army - [Link: t3.gstatic.com...]
Mubarak - I will travel the world! See the sights!
Mubarak: I'm going to Disneyland!
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lostlakehiker Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:42:06am |
re: #385 Jadespring
Translated text of resignation statement.
In the name of God the merciful, the compassionate, citizens, during these very difficult circumstances Egypt is going through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to step down from the office of president of the republic and has charged the high council of the armed forces to administer the affairs of the country. May God help everybody.
Second that. Egypt could use a break. Revolutions are dicey. Power-hogs always try to horn in and usurp the revolution. Many have taken a turn to the dark side---the French and Russian revolutions being object lessons, and more recently, the Iranian. Others have worked out pretty well. Vigilance is the watchword: don't let any shady group get all [or even any] of the key cabinet posts.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:42:29am |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:43:05am |
Just give him a house in the Egyptian boonies somewhere, confiscate all but a few million of his fortune, and use it to build some schools and repair the museum. I hope they don't kill the old dude, bad as he was. It's better to let the people see old dictators become powerless than it is to see them torn apart by enraged mobs.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:43:39am |
In 1776, 13 colonies declared independence. After 5 years of war (the real fighting stopped in 1781), 2 years of negotiation, 4 years of failed confederacy, we finally got to a workable state.
Which is to say we got to where the real work begins.
Good look to Egypt.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:43:46am |
Congratulations to the Egyptian people.
Now comes the hard part.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:44:12am |
re: #395 researchok
Ands what are the odds those efforts will be successful?
What were the odds a month ago if anyone had said that at this time today Mubarak would be gone?
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:44:54am |
re: #396 Fozzie Bear
Just give him a house in the Egyptian boonies somewhere, confiscate all but a few million of his fortune, and use it to build some schools and repair the museum. I hope they don't kill the old dude, bad as he was. It's better to let the people see old dictators become powerless than it is to see them torn apart by enraged mobs.
They won't, Mubarak is gone but he wasn't in any danger of being hung by the military in a public square. Right now all that has changed in the command structure, we'll have to wait and see what happens next.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:45:07am |
re: #397 EmmmieG
In 1776, 13 colonies declared independence. After 5 years of war (the real fighting stopped in 1781), 2 years of negotiation, 4 years of failed confederacy, we finally got to a workable state.
Which is to say we got to where the real work begins.
Good look to Egypt.
Aye.
I think people nowadays expect things to happen far too fast...
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:45:19am |
This is the kind of timing that makes traditional printed newspapers seem archaic - they wont have this content until tomorrow...
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Vicious Babushka Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:45:27am |
re: #395 researchok
Ands what are the odds those efforts will be successful?
Look at modern history. How many nations managed to overthrow tyrants and achieved freedom? How many nations overthrew tyrants and achieved another tyrant?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:45:38am |
re: #399 Jadespring
What were the odds a month ago if anyone had said that at this time today Mubarak would be gone?
What are the odds I can fit my cell phone in my nose?
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:45:39am |
re: #396 Fozzie Bear
Just give him a house in the Egyptian boonies somewhere, confiscate all but a few million of his fortune, and use it to build some schools and repair the museum. I hope they don't kill the old dude, bad as he was. It's better to let the people see old dictators become powerless than it is to see them torn apart by enraged mobs.
I'm less worried about him than I am about the peace treaty with Israel, his help with WOT and his clampdown on terrorists and terrorist funding.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:46:05am |
re: #405 Fozzie Bear
What are the odds I can fit my cell phone in my nose?
Depends.
Can I bring you one back from the future???
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:46:38am |
re: #355 researchok
Other than window dressing, I can't see the real (and perceived) change.
Time will tell.
Wow! This is a massively important event. Peaceful demonstrators forcing a sitting dictator to resign? Independent of whether or not there is substantial political change in Egypt - and it seems hard to believe that it won't be significantly more democratic - the symbolic importance of that event is far-reaching.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:47:48am |
re: #399 Jadespring
What were the odds a month ago if anyone had said that at this time today Mubarak would be gone?
True- and don't misunderstand me, I support a democratic Egypt- but the 'revolution' is the east part. Even elections are easy. It is the establishment of democratic institutions with equal access and protection for all that requires the really hard work.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:47:54am |
re: #407 Varek Raith
Depends.
Can I bring you one back from the future???
Yes. One with a holographic projector please, so I can dazzle my friends with my 3d nasal cinema.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:48:50am |
re: #372 researchok
All window dressing, so far.
Suleiman is in charge. Military will answer to him (nothing new).
Both Mubarak and Suleiman are military.
You seriously think that the secret police will continue to act with impunity as they have in the past?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:48:53am |
re: #409 researchok
True- and don't misunderstand me, I support a democratic Egypt- but the 'revolution' is the east part. Even elections are easy. It is the establishment of democratic institutions with equal access and protection for all that requires the really hard work.
Yep. The most dangerous time in any democracy's history is the first few transitions of power.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:49:41am |
re: #408 Talking Point Detective
Wow! This is a massively important event. Peaceful demonstrators forcing a sitting dictator to resign? Independent of whether or not there is substantial political change in Egypt - and it seems hard to believe that it won't be significantly more democratic - the symbolic importance of that event is far-reaching.
Mubarak was the military.
The military is still in charge.
I hope democracy comes to Egypt but in reality we are a long way off from that point.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:50:30am |
This is step one. Egypt has collected underpants.
Profit is still far from a given.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:50:54am |
re: #410 Fozzie Bear
Yes. One with a holographic projector please, so I can dazzle my friends with my 3d nasal cinema.
And now... two men with tape recorders up their noses!
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:51:05am |
re: #404 Alouette
Look at modern history. How many nations managed to overthrow tyrants and achieved freedom? How many nations overthrew tyrants and achieved another tyrant?
It has happened, to be sure.
Still, Eastern Europe is very different from the Arab world.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:51:05am |
More Paulians hassling Cheney at cpac about 9-11 truth and video games...
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:52:15am |
re: #409 researchok
True- and don't misunderstand me, I support a democratic Egypt- but the 'revolution' is the east part. Even elections are easy. It is the establishment of democratic institutions with equal access and protection for all that requires the really hard work.
Yep I understand and I don't think the people there think much differently--at least if any of the comments coming out of there right now are an indication.
My point was just that talking about 'odds' at this point is speculating into the wind. Too many factors at play right now as well as a whole bunch that will come into play as time goes on.
To use a cliche. They're in a uncharted territory right now.
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RogueOne Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:52:18am |
re: #414 Fozzie Bear
This is step one. Egypt has collected underpants.
Profit is still far from a given.
Exactly. It's an important first step but there's still a long road to go. The important thing is, imo, that the people of egypt now know what it takes to overthrow a totalitarian just in case they need to do it again.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:53:02am |
re: #411 Talking Point Detective
You seriously think that the secret police will continue to act with impunity as they have in the past?
Yes, regardless of who is in charge. That is a part of the Middle East Arab fabric.
There may be attempts to 'soften the image' but in that part of the world, strong secret police are a reality.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:53:42am |
re: #418 Jadespring
Yep I understand and I don't think the people there think much differently--at least if any of the comments coming out of there right now are an indication.
My point was just that talking about 'odds' at this point is speculating into the wind. Too many factors at play right now as well as a whole bunch that will come into play as time goes on.
To use a cliche. They're in a uncharted territory right now.
No truer words.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:53:56am |
re: #413 researchok
Mubarak was the military.
The military is still in charge.
I hope democracy comes to Egypt but in reality we are a long way off from that point.
Mubarak was much more than just the military. The military is comprised of hundreds of thousands of conscripted civilians. The military has given every indication thus far of supporting a change to a true democracy.
There is no way that the secret police will be able to operate in the future the way they were under Mubarak. And again, the symbolic importance of this event on a geopolitical scale is very, very significant.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:55:53am |
The message dictators will take from this: don't use a large army of conscripts to enforce your will. They might choose their families over you.
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blueraven Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:56:18am |
re: #413 researchok
Mubarak was the military.
The military is still in charge.
I hope democracy comes to Egypt but in reality we are a long way off from that point.
Maybe so, but Egyptian State Television is already issuing mea culpas. Yesterday they were actually showing the protesters as more than trouble making kids and offering them a real platform.
This is a big fucking deal.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:56:35am |
re: #423 Talking Point Detective
Mubarak was much more than just the military. The military is comprised of hundreds of thousands of conscripted civilians. The military has given every indication thus far of supporting a change to a true democracy.
There is no way that the secret police will be able to operate in the future the way they were under Mubarak. And again, the symbolic importance of this event on a geopolitical scale is very, very significant.
I hope you are right- I really do.
That said, the jury is still out.
Miles to go before we can sleep, so to speak.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:56:57am |
I'm sorry I missed Rand Paul's CPAC speech. It looks...um...interesting
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:57:28am |
re: #420 researchok
Yes, regardless of who is in charge. That is a part of the Middle East Arab fabric.
There may be attempts to 'soften the image' but in that part of the world, strong secret police are a reality.
Sorry - but I can't agree. Much of the anger towards Mubarak stems from the brutal repression by the secret police. I do not see how a future government in Egypt will be able to act with impunity as it has in the past.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:57:44am |
re: #425 blueraven
Maybe so, but Egyptian State Television is already issuing mea culpas. Yesterday they were actually showing the protesters as more than trouble making kids and offering them a real platform.
This is a big fucking deal.
The military also said yesterday it was time to go home.
I really hope you are right and this is all more than window dressing.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:59:25am |
As much as nobody wants to give Mubarak any credit, he does deserve some. He is a large part of the reason there weren't huge numbers of deaths.
He's not quite the monster that many think he is. He's certainly not a folk hero, but really, his decisions regarding what he wouldn't do saved a lot of people. A crueler man may have been able to regain control at the cost of rivers of blood.
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blueraven Fri, Feb 11, 2011 8:59:28am |
re: #429 researchok
The military also said yesterday it was time to go home.
I really hope you are right and this is all more than window dressing.
Just heard on MSNBC that the military turned on Mubarak last night.
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researchok Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:00:06am |
re: #424 Fozzie Bear
The message dictators will take from this: don't use a large army of conscripts to enforce your will. They might choose their families over you.
Here's hoping.
From where I sit, this seems to be a very well played scenario by the military.
They are giving the crowds symbols rather than substance.
Man, I really hope I'm wrong about all this.
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Alexzander Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:01:08am |
re: #430 Fozzie Bear
As much as nobody wants to give Mubarak any credit, he does deserve some. ... A crueler man may have been able to regain control at the cost of rivers of blood.
This is absolutely true.
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lawhawk Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:02:29am |
re: #430 Fozzie Bear
As much as nobody wants to give Mubarak any credit, he does deserve some. He is a large part of the reason there weren't huge numbers of deaths.
He's not quite the monster that many think he is. He's certainly not a folk hero, but really, his decisions regarding what he wouldn't do saved a lot of people. A crueler man may have been able to regain control at the cost of rivers of blood.
His decision last night could have been a disastrous blunder, but for the restraint of the demonstrators not making an all out assault on the government buildings and presidential palace.
It will make for a gripping history book of how this transition occurred, and who was responsible for setting Mubarak straight on his need to exit stage left, and how Mubarak tried to hold on just a wee bit longer despite the Army's declaration for him to do otherwise.
In the end, it was the Army that led the way.
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avanti Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:06:10am |
I made the mistake of scanning the right wing blogs after not seeing a thread on Egypt on here yet. Here, I see a celebration with some reasonable comments about it being only a first step. Elsewhere on right it's either bad news outright, or bad news because the POTUS may get some credit.
Some would rather see the Egyptian revolution fail badly so they could lay the blame on Obama. BTW, I think the POTUS had very little to do with it either way, he just walked a tight rope.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:09:29am |
re: #438 avanti
I made the mistake of scanning the right wing blogs after not seeing a thread on Egypt on here yet. Here, I see a celebration with some reasonable comments about it being only a first step. Elsewhere on right it's either bad news outright, or bad news because the POTUS may get some credit.
Some would rather see the Egyptian revolution fail badly so they could lay the blame on Obama. BTW, I think the POTUS had very little to do with it either way, he just walked a tight rope.
Hopes like that are just despicable. A revolution is not going to fail bloodlessly, or without wrecking havoc on a society. It will be people, families, and lives getting destroyed. And they hope that happens for in order to claim trivial political points. (spit)
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:12:13am |
re: #438 avanti
I made the mistake of scanning the right wing blogs after not seeing a thread on Egypt on here yet. Here, I see a celebration with some reasonable comments about it being only a first step. Elsewhere on right it's either bad news outright, or bad news because the POTUS may get some credit.
Some would rather see the Egyptian revolution fail badly so they could lay the blame on Obama. BTW, I think the POTUS had very little to do with it either way, he just walked a tight rope.
No offense but some Americans really need to get over this thinking that everything in the world always revolves around the US and whoever happens to be president.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 11, 2011 9:27:13am |
re: #430 Fozzie Bear
As much as nobody wants to give Mubarak any credit, he does deserve some. He is a large part of the reason there weren't huge numbers of deaths.
He's not quite the monster that many think he is. He's certainly not a folk hero, but really, his decisions regarding what he wouldn't do saved a lot of people. A crueler man may have been able to regain control at the cost of rivers of blood.
Please. He reigned over a brutal, brutal, and completely corrupt dictatorship. He lacked the military support to do anything other than what he did.
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