New Poll: 51% of Likely GOP Voters Are Birthers

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It’s official: the loons really have taken over the GOP.

Birthers make a majority among those voters who say they’re likely to participate in a Republican primary next year. 51% say they don’t think Barack Obama was born in the United States to just 28% who firmly believe that he was and 21% who are unsure. The GOP birther majority is a new development. The last time PPP tested this question nationally, in August of 2009, only 44% of Republicans said they thought Obama was born outside the country while 36% said that he definitely was born in the United States. If anything birtherism is on the rise.

UPDATE at 2/15/11 3:26:11 pm

Here’s Chris Matthews on this new poll, from today’s Hardball.

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289 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:01:55pm

Woo Hoo! I'm a 49er!

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:03:09pm

No wonder why Boehner is afraid to call them out. What's truly said is only above a fourth believe he's a citizen. This isn't 50-50. More like 60-40 and I am being generous.

3 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:04:00pm

From The Daily Dish

Greg Sargent notices something interesting in the PPP poll showing how unhinged GOP primary voters are on the question of Obama's very legitimacy as president: among non-Birthers, Sarah Palin has a favorable/unfavorable rating of 41 - 52. Among Birthers, it's a whoppingly favorable 83 - 12, far higher than anyone else.

It seems fair to speculate that the success of Palin's approach -- her grievance-mongering, her strident attacks on Obama, her virtuosity in crafting the most lurid formulations to paint Obama as an alternately weak and tyrannical figure -- is rooted in her unique ability to speak directly to the far right wing base's seething underbelly of anti-Obama hatred.

Yep, yep and yep.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

4 Kragar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:05:05pm

I wonder how much that percentage has increased since they been driving all the rational folks from the party.

5 jc717  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:05:37pm

I wonder if more Republicans are becoming birthers or if the rational ones are not excited about the current crop of wingnut candidates and thus have no intention of voting in the primaries.
Either way this is pretty ridiculous.
Then again, about the same % of all Americans believe that some old dude created the universe 10k years ago; you'll never go broke betting on the idiocy of the masses.

6 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:05:56pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

From The Daily Dish

Yep, yep and yep.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Well I am not shocked at all. Sarah and the Birthers is a perfect match since she's the one who likes to drive home the meme about Obama being "different" by far the most of any contender.

7 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:06:07pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Like moi?

8 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:07:08pm

I thought this was funny....

There is really a remarkable divide in how the birther and non-birther wings of the GOP view Sarah Palin. With the birthers she is a beloved figure, scoring an 83/12 favorability rating. Non-birthers are almost evenly divided on her with 47% rating her positively and 40% unfavorably.

This is yet another poll where we find Palin with the highest favorability among Republican primary voters but still lagging in the horse race. 65% have a positive opinion of her compared to 58% for Huckabee and 55% for Romney and Gingrich. Her problem is that even though they like her, few GOP voters think Palin's qualified to be President. Asked whether she's more qualified to be President or Vice President, only 29% of voters place her in the top spot compared to 46% who say she'd be a more appropriate number 2.

Even her supporters know she's not qualified. Pretty amazing.

9 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:07:51pm

RON PAUL'S GOLD!

10 nines09  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:09:40pm

It's like late night AM Boogie Man radio is now more rational than the GOP/TP. The keys of a possible future are now in a clown car.

11 Charleston Chew  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:09:57pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

From The Daily Dish

Yep, yep and yep.

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

If this leads to Palin vs Obama in the 2012 general election, it will have almost been worth it just for the spectacle. I can't imagine a clearer choice of good vs evil outside of a Hollywood movie.

12 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:11:01pm

///Congratulations to all the white Republicans posting here at LGF, you are now officially a minority!

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:12:29pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

BITE ME!

14 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:12:43pm

What's sad is when Republican officials do call out the birther nonsense like McCain did in 2008 or Mike Castle did last year, they showered with boos. It seems to me the way you make your name in the modern GOP is by being all crazy about the president. These voters would rather hear that Obama isn't a Christian and wants to destroy America rather than Obama is well intentioned but wrong.

15 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:14:13pm

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BITE ME!

That's illegal.
Seeing as you're an endangered RINO.
/;)

16 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:14:20pm

This idiot is an embarrassment to Idaho.

Raul Labrador Makes CPAC's First Birther Joke

17 MinisterO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:14:58pm

I'm cautiously optimistic that the whack-job over-representation will result in a nominee that the saner half of the other 49% can't support.

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:15:22pm

re: #15 Varek Raith

When the idiots die because they won't stop holding their breath... we'll be back.

19 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:15:24pm

The loons took over the GOP in the early eighties with a brief respite during GHWB.

20 palomino  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:15:51pm

Wow, just fucking wow. More proof that idiots can be easily swayed and smart people often believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence.

21 elizajane  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:16:40pm

"Don't know if he was born here" is just the polite way of saying "he sure as sh*t isn't One of Us." After all, Real Americans come from the South, own guns, and are proudly obese. Do you count as American if you were born in Manhattan? Can Arizona make a law about that?

22 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:17:09pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Well I am not shocked at all. Sarah and the Birthers is a perfect match since she's the one who likes to drive home the meme about Obama being "different" by far the most of any contender.

There are also some here who consider Obama "the most mysterious president ever".

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:19:26pm

re: #21 elizajane

"Don't know if he was born here" is just the polite way of saying "he sure as sh*t isn't One of Us." After all, Real Americans come from the South, own guns, and are proudly obese. Do you count as American if you were born in Manhattan? Can Arizona make a law about that?


Shit sometimes they play the not real meme when it involves more liberal parts of the state. A McCain surrogate as well as then Governor Palin got in to some heat here for talking about the "Real Virginia" on the campaign trail basically saying that people who live in my more liberal northern part of the state somehow aren't real Virginians since we're more liberal than the downstaters. It went over real well with the crowd of course. And then there was George Allen's Macaca remark "welcoming" the kid who by the way was Virginia educated all the way through his life to "real Virginia."

24 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:23:00pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Shit sometimes they play the not real meme when it involves more liberal parts of the state. A McCain surrogate as well as then Governor Palin got in to some heat here for talking about the "Real Virginia" on the campaign trail basically saying that people who live in my more liberal northern part of the state somehow aren't real Virginians since we're more liberal than the downstaters. It went over real well with the crowd of course. And then there was George Allen's Macaca remark "welcoming" the kid who by the way was Virginia educated all the way through his life to "real Virginia."

If you live here, you ain't a real Virginian!!!
Image: Map-Northern-VA.gif

25 Charleston Chew  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:23:49pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Wasn't it Dana Perino who made the comment about "real Virgina"? I do remember at the time thinking that it was surprising un-clever during a campaign to insult the part of a swing state that contains most of the voters. Hate does funny things.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:24:20pm

re: #12 jamesfirecat

///Congratulations to all the white Republicans posting here at LGF, you are now officially a minority!

So, I have new rights now, no?

27 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:25:29pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, I have new rights now, no?

You have the right to say, "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO, FOOLS!!!" when this bites the GOP in the ass.
:)

28 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:26:15pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

I'll take it.

29 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:26:17pm

Congratulations, President Obama. You just won the 2012 election two years early.

30 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:26:28pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, I have new rights now, no?

Well, if history is an indicator, you'll have less.

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:26:47pm

re: #25 Charleston Chew

Wasn't it Dana Perino who made the comment about "real Virgina"? I do remember at the time thinking that it was surprising un-clever during a campaign to insult the part of a swing state that contains most of the voters. Hate does funny things.

I don't think so. It was a woman yes but I think it was a Virginian precinct chair or something like that. Small potato in the grand scheme of things but it was just an unbelievably stupid remark for reasons you just said. And besides the greatest Virginian ever lived near Alexandria :) which is a Democratic area.

32 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:26:48pm

re: #29 Kid A

Congratulations, President Obama. You just won the 2012 election two years early.

re: #29 Kid A

Congratulations, President Obama. You just won the 2012 election two years early.

And he didn't even have to tap Sarah Palin's phone!

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:27:49pm

re: #30 recusancy

Well, if history is an indicator, you'll have less.

And if grammar is an indicator, you'll have fewer.

:)

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:28:28pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

Who let the grammar police in the room?

35 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:28:45pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

re: #29 Kid A

And he didn't even have to tap Sarah Palin's phone!

Other than the trip to Charlotte for the Convention, Obama could just do the campaign from his computer, and spend more time with Michelle and the girls.

36 Kragar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:28:53pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

You have the right to say, "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO, FOOLS!!!" when this bites the GOP in the ass.
:)

Can we just mock their party unity?

Youtube Video
37 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:29:09pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

And if grammar is an indicator, you'll have fewer.

:)

touche

38 darthstar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:29:13pm

Then LUAP NOR could actually win the primary?

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:29:17pm

re: #24 Varek Raith

If you live here, you ain't a real Virginian!!!
Image: Map-Northern-VA.gif

Ha, yeah we both live in Wolf's district. It was just so bizzare since you know that Northern Va has only refcently become strong for the Dems. I mean after all Gerry Connolly was in a fight for his life this past midterm and before that Tom Davis had the seat for a long time. Speaking of Davis, my government major friends who are raving liberals and democrats have a lot of great words for the class he teaches here at MAson. I believe it. Davis is a reasonable and smart guy.

40 Kragar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:29:23pm

re: #34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Who let the grammar police in the room?

Weird Al.

41 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:30:14pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I thought this was funny...

Even her supporters know she's not qualified. Pretty amazing.

That's hilarious!

42 Charleston Chew  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:31:27pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior


It gets to heart of the paradox of the Republican's long-running combo of rural-voter strategy and us-against-them strategy: "The Americans who live where most Americans live aren't most Americans!"

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:33:40pm

re: #42 Charleston Chew

It gets to heart of the paradox of the Republican's long-running combo of rural-voter strategy and us-against-them strategy: "The Americans who live where most Americans live aren't most Americans!"

Honestly what struck me abotu the whole thing was how it was in such contrast to the Obama campaign. Obama was willing to campaign in parts of Virginia where Democrats have done poorly in the past. A weaker candidate in both character and mind would have just ceded those areas as lost but Obama fought for every vote he could get in Virginia. McCain more or less gave it up.

44 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:34:01pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

35% of Democrats Are Truthers and another 26% are not sure.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

45 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:34:02pm

re: #21 elizajane

"Don't know if he was born here" is just the polite way of saying "he sure as sh*t isn't One of Us." After all, Real Americans come from the South, own guns, and are proudly obese. Do you count as American if you were born in Manhattan? Can Arizona make a law about that?

Colin Powell touched lightly on that, after the RNC.

46 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:34:54pm

re: #44 compound idaho

Is it 2007 already?

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:35:49pm

re: #22 recusancy

There are also some here who consider Obama "the most mysterious president ever".

I think it was Millard Fillmore. How the hell did we ever elect a man named "Millard" to the presidency?

48 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:36:13pm

re: #44 compound idaho

35% of Democrats Are Truthers and another 26% are not sure.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

That question is so badly worded as to be meaningless.

I would say that Bush "knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. " for a given value of the phrase in so far as "Bin Laden Determined to Attack America" and all that.

I think that he knew that something was coming and he did nothing to stop it out of a combination of ignorance /pride but not actual malice.

Also the poll is from 4 years ago, have anything more up to date?

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:36:25pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it was Millard Fillmore. How the hell did we ever elect a man named "Millard" to the presidency?

Read your Dave Barry. He was elected through the efforts of the group "Americans for Presidents with Odd Names."

50 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:36:57pm

Oh, look, I AM 49 now.

It's official.

A birth certificate in the state of Hawaii means that someone was born in Hawaii, fools.

51 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:37:06pm

I swear the following story is true. I would've snapped a pic, but I was afraid of getting shot...

I live in The Woodlands, TX. It's a mega-burb forty miles north of Houston. I drove to Conroe yesterday to get the registration of my truck renewed. It's a town of probably 60,000, and 59,950 of them voted for McCain. Anyway, I'm walking into the tax office, and there's a booth of Larouche supporters getting petitions signed to have Obama removed from office via the 25th Amendment. On the front of the booth was a placard of Obama with the Hitler mustache, and a line of people signing up for something they know nothing about. I'm sure it will come as a shock to all of you here that every single person signing up were white.

But the Teabaggers are all about "fiscal responsibility." Uh-huh.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:37:15pm

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, I have new rights now, no?

Sadly, you have the same rights, minus a couple if you're gay, however, these will now be described as 'special rights' when referring to them.

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:37:57pm

re: #46 Obdicut

Is it 2007 already?

Yes and it means I am going to be in big trouble if cops find my beer(I turned 21 in 08)

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:38:08pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it was Millard Fillmore. How the hell did we ever elect a man named "Millard" to the presidency?

That comic strip helped, I'm sure.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:38:44pm

re: #44 compound idaho

35% of Democrats Are Truthers and another 26% are not sure.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Can I just state for the record that I follow Molly Ivin's basic truth about conspiracy theories, which is that if you didn't read about it in the Daily Disappointment, it's probably not so?

56 Charleston Chew  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:40:37pm

re: #46 Obdicut

Is it 2007 already?

Wow. Reading the comments for that post reminded me of how much the tone of comments has changed here since back then. It's like the cyberspace equivalent of going to New York in 2011 to see Disney's Lion King musical and then renting Taxi Driver.

57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:40:43pm

re: #50 EmmmieG

I made a side note about "I knew there was a reason I love you" yesterday to you. That was meant to be funny. Not to creep you out.

(though, you should get that mole looked at.)

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:40:50pm

IF I recall, the Democratic leadership called the truthers out too. Meanwhile John BOehner goes on Meet the PRess and tells Dave Gregory "Oh I am not going to tell people what to think." Not to mention there are far more elected birthers than there are truthers out there.

59 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:40:50pm

Okay, this is OT, but I'm only here for a bit.

We did acids/bases in science club today.

I asked for a volunteer to spit on a piece of litmus paper to test the acidity of spit.

Fourteen boys in the class.

Anyone want to guess how many volunteers I had?

60 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:41:37pm

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.

Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view.

Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance.


(rassmussen poll)

believing that bush might have known about it in advance is not the same as being a 'truther' - there are a number of people who posit that fdr knew about pearl harbor in advance

i spent several evenings fending off my sister in law's theories about explosives being pre-set in the world trade center and comparing plane crashes into skyscrapers through the decades...

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:41:39pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Okay, this is OT, but I'm only here for a bit.

We did acids/bases in science club today.

I asked for a volunteer to spit on a piece of litmus paper to test the acidity of spit.

Fourteen boys in the class.

Anyone want to guess how many volunteers I had?

Uh I was a teenage boy not that long ago: 14?

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:41:49pm

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That comic strip helped, I'm sure.

Sometimes I like Mallard Fillmore, and sometimes it's just petulant. Up and down.

63 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:41:52pm

re: #57 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I made a side note about "I knew there was a reason I love you" yesterday to you. That was meant to be funny. Not to creep you out.

(though, you should get that mole looked at.)

You'll creep me out if you start channeling Jack Nicholson.

64 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:42:18pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Uh I was a teenage boy not that long ago: 14?

14 1/2, because one of those boys REALLY wanted to be picked, so he counts extra.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:42:48pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Okay, this is OT, but I'm only here for a bit.

We did acids/bases in science club today.

I asked for a volunteer to spit on a piece of litmus paper to test the acidity of spit.

Fourteen boys in the class.

Anyone want to guess how many volunteers I had?

Fifteen, when Mr. G stuck his head in and also wanted to spit?

66 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:43:25pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it was Millard Fillmore. How the hell did we ever elect a man named "Millard" to the presidency?

We didn't elect him directly. We elected him with a guy named Zachary :). But on a serious note, he's the only Millard I've ever heard of. Then again so is Rutherford B. Hayes who I will tell countless people is a dead ringer for the man with the shovel in the original Home Alone.

67 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:43:35pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

Sometimes I like Mallard Fillmore, and sometimes it's just petulant. Up and down.

Here's an easy way to make your decision, he called Jon Stewart a pedophile

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:44:23pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

Fifteen, when Mr. G stuck his head in and also wanted to spit?

Did I tell you about the eighth grader who was playing with the suction tubes in science class, and ended up with a giant bruise on his forehead from sucking at it with the tube for too long?

69 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:44:45pm

re: #56 Charleston Chew

Wow. Reading the comments for that post reminded me of how much the tone of comments has changed here since back then. It's like the cyberspace equivalent of going to New York in 2011 to see Disney's Lion King musical and then renting Taxi Driver.

Even Charles' post. And then every blog post after is something about evilness of Palestinians or CAIR.

70 Charleston Chew  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:44:47pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I don't think so. It was a woman yes but I think it was a Virginian precinct chair or something like that. Small potato in the grand scheme of things but it was just an unbelievably stupid remark for reasons you just said. And besides the greatest Virginian ever lived near Alexandria :) which is a Democratic area.

It was Nancy Pfotenhauer. Google is my friend but sometimes I foresake it.

71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:45:45pm

re: #70 Charleston Chew

It was Nancy Pfotenhauer. Google is my friend but sometimes I foresake it.

I wikied her. Wow not small potatoes at all.

72 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:46:12pm

re: #59 EmmmieG

Okay, this is OT, but I'm only here for a bit.

We did acids/bases in science club today.

I asked for a volunteer to spit on a piece of litmus paper to test the acidity of spit.

Fourteen boys in the class.

Anyone want to guess how many volunteers I had?

Uh, 14?

;-P

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:46:29pm

re: #44 compound idaho

35% of Democrats Are Truthers and another 26% are not sure.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

puh puh puh puh puh puh puh

puh puh puh pushback

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74 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:47:52pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

I wikied her. Wow not small potatoes at all.

If memory serves me, John McCain's brother referred to Alexandria as "Commie country." I had to chuckle at that since I wanted to ask him "Well if oyu hate it so much here, why do you live here?"

75 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:48:34pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

If memory serves me, John McCain's brother referred to Alexandria as "Commie country." I had to chuckle at that since I wanted to ask him "Well if oyu hate it so much here, why do you live here?"

Lol.
Commie country?
HAHAHA

76 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:48:36pm

Reine, Are you here?

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:49:08pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

If memory serves me, John McCain's brother referred to Alexandria as "Commie country." I had to chuckle at that since I wanted to ask him "Well if oyu hate it so much here, why do you live here?"

He should only know from Commie country. Let him come to the East Bay, I'll show him around.

78 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:50:11pm

re: #56 Charleston Chew

Wow. Reading the comments for that post reminded me of how much the tone of comments has changed here since back then. It's like the cyberspace equivalent of going to New York in 2011 to see Disney's Lion King musical and then renting Taxi Driver.

i recall checking what was happening with lgf back in about 2003 or 4, and reading a thread titled "religion of beheading"

i concluded that it wasn't the type of discussion i would be welcome in

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:50:27pm

...

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:50:49pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

If memory serves me, John McCain's brother referred to Alexandria as "Commie country." I had to chuckle at that since I wanted to ask him "Well if oyu hate it so much here, why do you live here?"

John McCain's brother! I forgot all about that guy

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:51:00pm

re: #79 WindUpBird

wonder what happened here

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:51:29pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

Lol.
Commie country?
HAHAHA


[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
The funniest part is that McCain's communication director responded that "McCain and Palin are both committed to winning hte votes of voters in NOrthern Virginia" Oh and they lost Loudoun too which I am proud to say I was part of along with my folks.

83 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:51:34pm

re: #81 WindUpBird

wonder what happened here

Your post was sacrificed to the Blog Gods.

84 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:51:44pm

re: #78 engineer dog

i recall checking what was happening with lgf back in about 2003 or 4, and reading a thread titled "religion of beheading"

i concluded that it wasn't the type of discussion i would be welcome in

Yup. There was a reason so many of the now excommunicated felt comfortable here.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:52:05pm

re: #78 engineer dog

i recall checking what was happening with lgf back in about 2003 or 4, and reading a thread titled "religion of beheading"

i concluded that it wasn't the type of discussion i would be welcome in

I was running my own blog back then :D

Then I realized it was a lot of work and I didn't like blogging so much and my time would be better spent making art

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:52:20pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Your post was sacrificed to the Blog Gods.

Consumed by ravenous ellipses

87 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:52:24pm

re: #16 Bubblehead II

This idiot is an embarrassment to Idaho.

Raul Labrador Makes CPAC's First Birther Joke

Larry Craig!

88 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:53:46pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
The funniest part is that McCain's communication director responded that "McCain and Palin are both committed to winning hte votes of voters in NOrthern Virginia" Oh and they lost Loudoun too which I am proud to say I was part of along with my folks.

I'll admit that I voted for McCain...
Not that it mattered, Manassas went for Obama by 10 points or so.
Still, I regret that vote.

89 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:54:58pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
The funniest part is that McCain's communication director responded that "McCain and Palin are both committed to winning hte votes of voters in NOrthern Virginia" Oh and they lost Loudoun too which I am proud to say I was part of along with my folks.

My brother who was working in Virginia after graduating from W&M at the time was also part (a very tiny part) of flipping that state blue....

90 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:56:03pm

re: #87 compound idaho

Larry Craig!

Him too. But he is gone. This A-Hole just got elected.

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:57:04pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

I'll admit that I voted for McCain...
Not that it mattered, Manassas went for Obama by 10 points or so.
Still, I regret that vote.

I would have never guessed that Manassas went for Obama. I mean I am not surprised it's more Democratic than the surrounding areas of PW County but I always thought Manassas itself would still have gone for McCain.

92 Charleston Chew  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:57:11pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
The funniest part is that McCain's communication director responded that "McCain and Palin are both committed to winning hte votes of voters in NOrthern Virginia" Oh and they lost Loudoun too which I am proud to say I was part of along with my folks.

So often I see political strategist making mistakes like this and it reminds me of my high school writing teacher advising us: "Show, don't tell."

Back is 2004 I remember someone from John Kerry's campaign saying that he was going duck hunting to win the votes of hunters and I thought "No, you don't win the votes of hunters by saying that. You win them by saying, 'He's going duck hunting 'cause he really loves hunting ducks.'"

93 zora  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:57:39pm

chris matthews is on fire. good segment. almost makes me want cable.

94 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:58:11pm

If anyone wants to see a good documentary about what it's like for the military in Afghanistan watch 'Restrepo'. I'm watching it now. Straight up documentary, no bells and whistles. It follows the 15th month deployment of a platoon in the Korangal Valley.

It's good as far as a reality war film can be called good.

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 3:59:10pm

re: #92 Charleston Chew

So often I see political strategist making mistakes like this and it reminds me of my high school writing teacher advising us: "Show, don't tell."

Back is 2004 I remember someone from John Kerry's campaign saying that he was going duck hunting to win the votes of hunters and I thought "No, you don't win the votes of hunters by saying that. You win them by saying, 'He's going duck hunting 'cause he really loves hunting ducks.'"

Yeah the Kerry campaign did a piss poor job here. Did not feel their presence here at all. I mean granted the political climate was different here in 2008 than 2004 but they were virtually invisible. The Obama campaign meanwhile had a big campaign rally that my cousin went to in the heart of Loudoun County which hadn't gone Democratic on a presidential level since LBJ.

96 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:01:27pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Yeah the Kerry campaign did a piss poor job here. Did not feel their presence here at all. I mean granted the political climate was different here in 2008 than 2004 but they were virtually invisible. The Obama campaign meanwhile had a big campaign rally that my cousin went to in the heart of Loudoun County which hadn't gone Democratic on a presidential level since LBJ.

Yep.
Obama was at the fair grounds here the day before the election. I could here it from my house.

97 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:03:54pm

I can't spell.
:P

98 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:04:44pm

re: #93 zora

chris matthews is on fire. good segment. almost makes me want cable.

Matthews should've cued Journey during those CPAC freak-show clips.

"DON'T STOP...BELIEVIN'!!!!"

99 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:05:32pm

i'd like to point out that all of the 9/11 terrorists were homo sapiens sapiens

no homo sapiens neanderthalensis has ever, ever been implicated in a terrorist attack

SAPIENS SAPIENS OUT NOW!

100 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:07:36pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

Yep.
Obama was at the fair grounds here the day before the election. I could here it from my house.

Honestly, that was one of the reasons why I supported him in the primaries. The man despite what his detractors say doesn't look down on certain regions of the country. He loves visiting my college (GMU) a lot even though the economics department is probably not so friendly to his views heh. Got to see him speak last year on the health care bill. That was way cool since I had never seen him live before. I had spent the fall of 08 trying to transfer in here so I had no time for poitics at the time.

101 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:07:42pm

Professor Beck now has expanded his krazy kaliphate konspiracy to include MTV and the HW Bush State Department.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

102 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:09:09pm

re: #101 Kid A

Professor Beck now has expanded his krazy kaliphate konspiracy to include MTV and the HW Bush State Department.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Of course, James Baker and Beavis/Butthead are responsible for the new Caliphate. Did anyone see Beavis and Butthead Do America? Beavis talks to a possible Muslim guy about how he needs "teepee for his bunghole."

103 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:10:06pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Of course, James Baker and Beavis/Butthead are responsible for the new Caliphate. Did anyone see Beavis and Butthead Do America? Beavis talks to a possible Muslim guy about how he needs "teepee for his bunghole."


FIRE!FIRE!FIRE!

104 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:10:51pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Of course, James Baker and Beavis/Butthead are responsible for the new Caliphate. Did anyone see Beavis and Butthead Do America? Beavis talks to a possible Muslim guy about how he needs "teepee for his bunghole."

OMG, I completely forgot about that B&B "teepee" clip, and I'm furiously wiping the wine off my screen from laughing so hard. Thanks, Warrior!

105 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:12:25pm

Correction: It wad the Dubya State Department that the tenured Professor Beck said was "in bed" with the kooky kaliphate typez.

106 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:12:44pm

Yep.
This is the face of the Caliphate.
Or something.

Youtube Video
107 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:13:16pm

re: #104 Kid A

OMG, I completely forgot about that B&B "teepee" clip, and I'm furiously wiping the wine off my screen from laughing so hard. Thanks, Warrior!

Youtube Video

I swear this is funny now at 23 as it was when I Was 11.
108 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:13:53pm

re: #78 engineer dog

i recall checking what was happening with lgf back in about 2003 or 4, and reading a thread titled "religion of beheading"

i concluded that it wasn't the type of discussion i would be welcome in

I'm perusing blog posts after that truther post. I've found:
Pimping of Atlas Shrugs
Anti Muslim titles
More Anti Islam
Even more...
more.. you get the picture
Saying John Voight has an unusually solid grasp on reality.

And this was in '07

109 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:14:10pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

[Video]
I swear this is funny now at 23 as it was when I Was 11.

I swear this is funny now at 39 as it was when I Was 27.

110 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:14:19pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

Yep.
This is the face of the Caliphate.
Or something.

[Video]

Hahaha we found the same clip.

111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:16:34pm

Politifact check:Glenn Beck says Muslim Brotherhood wants to declare war on Israel

There is some nuance between canceling the peace treaty and declaring war. Politifact ignores the fact theat the Muslim Brotherhood does endorse terrorism against Israel. IIRC the official MB position is "right of return" followed by elections with effectively destroys Israel.

112 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:18:26pm

Later gators.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:18:35pm

re: #101 Kid A

Professor Beck now has expanded his krazy kaliphate konspiracy to include MTV and the HW Bush State Department.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Someone asked yesterday if there was an upper limit to how much of the world could be involved in the Muslim Conspiracy, and I think the answer is clearly, NO.

114 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:21:11pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Someone asked yesterday if there was an upper limit to how much of the world could be involved in the Muslim Conspiracy, and I think the answer is clearly, NO.

INQUISITION! MOOZLIM KONSPIRACY! SPELL IT WRITE!!! GOLD LINE!!!!
///

115 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:21:31pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Politifact check:Glenn Beck says Muslim Brotherhood wants to declare war on Israel

dogfact check: muslim brotherhood says what the hell is a 'glen beck'?

116 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:22:58pm

re: #108 recusancy

It's not 2007.

117 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:24:24pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Politifact check:Glenn Beck says Muslim Brotherhood wants to declare war on Israel

There is some nuance between canceling the peace treaty and declaring war. Politifact ignores the fact theat the Muslim Brotherhood does endorse terrorism against Israel. IIRC the official MB position is "right of return" followed by elections with effectively destroys Israel.

They're very narrowly interpreting both what he said, and how they evaluate it. Then again, trying to fact-check Glenn Beck is difficult. He doesn't say normal things.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:25:22pm

re: #115 engineer dog

dogfact check: muslim brotherhood says what the hell is a 'glen beck'?

Tell them that they're much better off not knowing.

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:25:27pm

Sometimes I wonder if Glenn's researchers are guys with wicked senses of humor. "Hey man, let's convince him today that Hitler promoted altruism" "Yeah dude, I got a better dude, let's convince him that Obama wants him dead even though they laugh at him."

120 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:25:37pm

re: #116 Obdicut

It's not 2007.

That's what I've heard.

121 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:26:42pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Of course, James Baker and Beavis/Butthead are responsible for the new Caliphate. Did anyone see Beavis and Butthead Do America? Beavis talks to a possible Muslim guy about how he needs "teepee for his bunghole."

[beavis]Are you threatening me? [beavis]

122 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:30:05pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Sometimes I wonder if Glenn's researchers are guys with wicked senses of humor. "Hey man, let's convince him today that Hitler promoted altruism" "Yeah dude, I got a better dude, let's convince him that Obama wants him dead even though they laugh at him."

Did you hear about the other day when Glenn Beck said that the NY Times vindicated his krazy kaliphate konspiracy on the front page, the FRONT PAGE!!!! Beck doesn't know it yet, but he's the best, free campaign material for Obama's reelection.

123 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:36:18pm

re: #117 SanFranciscoZionist

They're very narrowly interpreting both what he said, and how they evaluate it. Then again, trying to fact-check Glenn Beck is difficult. He doesn't say normal things.

I agree. This is why Glenn Beck and the rest of the frothing crazy wingnuts are a problem for everybody. The Muslim Brotherhood is a nasty organization but Glenn Beck and Pam Geller do a great disservice by concocting these strange overblown conspiracy theories.

124 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:37:58pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Sometimes I wonder if Glenn's researchers are guys with wicked senses of humor. "Hey man, let's convince him today that Hitler promoted altruism" "Yeah dude, I got a better dude, let's convince him that Obama wants him dead even though they laugh at him."

I'm pretty sure his "researchers" are reading old Birch Society journals and updating old conspiracy theories to fit the modern world.

125 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:43:04pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

He should only know from Commie country. Let him come to the East Bay, I'll show him around.

Speaking of the East Bay, I heard on the radio today that Berkeley is going to vote on whether to offer asylum to Gitmo Detainees.

126 darthstar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:44:11pm

BACON!

127 darthstar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:44:38pm

re: #126 darthstar

BACON!

Sorry...just got back from a facebook discussion about food, and one of those staples was bacon.

128 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:45:41pm

Hey all! It's been a busy day...

So just reviewing:

1. Fox News did a successful big lie with the nirth certifikat nonsense and effectively brainwashed 51% of the GOP, making it the Goebbels Old Party for some.

2. Republicans are trying to legalize murdering medical doctors who don't believe that life begins from the moment you unhook her bra. I doubt that will pass, but the fact they are emboldened enough to try speaks volumes, making it the Rethuglican party for some.

3. The Republicans have tried to redefine rape, allow wingnut hospitals to let women die rather than receive and emergency abortion (hey, if she dies, you loose the fetus too morons!) making them the Grotesque Old Party for anyone who doesn't hate women.

4. The Republican privatized prison system has had its first major conviction of corrupt judges unfairly sentencing children for kickback money from the prison corporation truly making them the Gomorrah Old Party... truly the big sin there was less of the interesting sex acts and more of the corrupt greedy courts.

5. Beck and Fox continue to delude masses about communists everywhere but that is another big lie.

And oh yes, I had an amazing Valentines' day. I must remember that when the realities of the news seem a bit too much.

On a side note, some Jewish women are very opposed to doing something for V-day. Others see it just like every other woman in America. Personally, I rather like the chance to cook a great meal and show some appreciation.

On another side note.. a little birdy told me that there is an entire thread on the village of the banned wishing me and my girl all sorts of ill will last night. I haven't looked. However, I must point out to those reading this from there, but really how pathetic are you if you are spending Valentine's day blogging about someone else who is actually with someone on Valentine's day? Honestly, guys, a little tip to you, if you stop being hateful, drunken and semi-literate, girls might dig you. Chen, it would also help if you moved out of your mom's house.

129 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:46:01pm

re: #127 darthstar

Sorry...just got back from a facebook discussion about food, and one of those staples was bacon.

It's never a bad time to discuss bacon.

130 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:47:11pm

re: #129 mracb

It's never a bad time to discuss bacon.

That sounds like a slogan.

131 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:48:56pm

re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote

That sounds like a slogan.

We can split the proceeds 50/50

132 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:50:45pm

re: #129 mracb

It's never a bad time to discuss bacon.

baconbaconbaconbaconbacon

please give me what's in the bag!!!!

133 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:52:02pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote

Your fan club sucks, btw.

134 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:52:35pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey all! It's been a busy day...

So just reviewing:

1. Fox News did a successful big lie with the nirth certifikat nonsense and effectively brainwashed 51% of the GOP, making it the Goebbels Old Party for some.

2. Republicans are trying to legalize murdering medical doctors who don't believe that life begins from the moment you unhook her bra. I doubt that will pass, but the fact they are emboldened enough to try speaks volumes, making it the Rethuglican party for some.

3. The Republicans have tried to redefine rape, allow wingnut hospitals to let women die rather than receive and emergency abortion (hey, if she dies, you loose the fetus too morons!) making them the Grotesque Old Party for anyone who doesn't hate women.

4. The Republican privatized prison system has had its first major conviction of corrupt judges unfairly sentencing children for kickback money from the prison corporation truly making them the Gomorrah Old Party... truly the big sin there was less of the interesting sex acts and more of the corrupt greedy courts.

5. Beck and Fox continue to delude masses about communists everywhere but that is another big lie.

And oh yes, I had an amazing Valentines' day. I must remember that when the realities of the news seem a bit too much.

On a side note, some Jewish women are very opposed to doing something for V-day. Others see it just like every other woman in America. Personally, I rather like the chance to cook a great meal and show some appreciation.

On another side note.. a little birdy told me that there is an entire thread on the village of the banned wishing me and my girl all sorts of ill will last night. I haven't looked. However, I must point out to those reading this from there, but really how pathetic are you if you are spending Valentine's day blogging about someone else who is actually with someone on Valentine's day? Honestly, guys, a little tip to you, if you stop being hateful, drunken and semi-literate, girls might dig you. Chen, it would also help if you moved out of your mom's house.

You also missed out on the part where one of the main proponents of the Iraq had WMD's theory the Iraqy spy who built much of our primary case for invading on, has admitted he was just making shit up....

135 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:53:38pm

re: #134 jamesfirecat

You also missed out on the part where one of the main proponents of the Iraq had WMD's theory the Iraqy spy who built much of our primary case for invading on, has admitted he was just making shit up...

It's almost like he fell on his sword to absolve the Bush administration of guilt.

136 darthstar  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:54:33pm

re: #135 mracb

It's almost like he fell on his pork sword to absolve the Bush administration of guilt.

I'm sorry...were we still talking about bacon?

137 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:55:10pm

re: #136 darthstar

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:55:10pm

re: #125 mracb

Speaking of the East Bay, I heard on the radio today that Berkeley is going to vote on whether to offer asylum to Gitmo Detainees.

Might be.

139 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:55:12pm

re: #135 mracb

It's almost like he fell on his sword to absolve the Bush administration of guilt.

and it's not like we didn't know this since 2004 already.

140 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:56:02pm

re: #129 mracb

It's never a bad time to discuss bacon.

There's a restaurant out here on LI that has a Bacon Bloody Mary on their drink menu.

Who needs celery? They haz bacon! I have one every time I go there.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:56:47pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote


On another side note.. a little birdy told me that there is an entire thread on the village of the banned wishing me and my girl all sorts of ill will last night. I haven't looked. However, I must point out to those reading this from there, but really how pathetic are you if you are spending Valentine's day blogging about someone else who is actually with someone on Valentine's day? Honestly, guys, a little tip to you, if you stop being hateful, drunken and semi-literate, girls might dig you. Chen, it would also help if you moved out of your mom's house.

But they are, of course, just a parody site, and the nicest of people. We're obsessed with them. Really.

142 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:56:49pm

re: #139 mracb

and it's not like we didn't know this since 2004 already.

Yeah, I thought it was an old story when I first saw it this morning.

143 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 4:59:19pm

re: #133 mracb

Your fan club sucks, btw.

Yeah to say the least. They feel bad when I ignore them and get lonely. Well of course they are lonely, they are there hate blogging on V-day. After all, Charles and I define their existences.

Seriously, guys, kick the booze, exercise a bit and get a job. Don't try to impress ladies with teh macho things you do like belch I wish I was in Dixie and really Chen, move out of your mom's house - you are in your 30's and stop pretending your little hatchback wannabe is a cool roadster and you might get a girl to notice you.

Rodan - sorry mate, you are a lost cause. It's a pity you are so homophobic.

Savage - I told you she would leave you. After all, you are an abusive loser.

Douchebagua, the biggest advice to you is that women hate whiny passive aggressive whiners. It's unmanly and weasley.

144 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:00:19pm

re: #134 jamesfirecat

You also missed out on the part where one of the main proponents of the Iraq had WMD's theory the Iraqy spy who built much of our primary case for invading on, has admitted he was just making shit up...

Ahhh I should have added that. Of course the rest of the world that wasn't a Rethuglican knew that years ago. I wonder if Fox will cover it? LOL

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:01:12pm

They've moved on to ugly shit about Ice.

Not the classiest people who've ever threatened to kick my ass, you know?

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:02:01pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

They've moved on to ugly shit about Ice.

Not the classiest people who've ever threatened to kick my ass, you know?

Ahh... yeah. The funny thing is I know Ice in the real world. She could whup any of them.

147 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:03:15pm

re: #144 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh I should have added that. Of course the rest of the world that wasn't a Rethuglican knew that years ago. I wonder if Fox will cover it? LOL


Good point. I haven't noticed wingnut blogs even mention that story today.

148 Dmon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:04:13pm

Kasich is trying to take away collective bargaing in Ohio, with GOP controll it could very likely happen. I am union firefighters here. There are whole bunch of shellshocked tea party firefighters at the firehouse, when I give them shit about voting the Republicans in, they say, "We didn't think they would do this". I ask them if they thoughtthey had just been kidding for the last 30 years when they said that public unions had to go. I also tell them not to worry, once we get our pay cut in half, I'm sure we'll get a $300 per year tax cut to make up for it.......... Talk about voting against your own interests.......

149 recusancy  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:05:00pm

re: #148 Dmon

Kasich is trying to take away collective bargaing in Ohio, with GOP controll it could very likely happen. I am union firefighters here. There are whole bunch of shellshocked tea party firefighters at the firehouse, when I give them shit about voting the Republicans in, they say, "We didn't think they would do this". I ask them if they thoughtthey had just been kidding for the last 30 years when they said that public unions had to go. I also tell them not to worry, once we get our pay cut in half, I'm sure we'll get a $300 per year tax cut to make up for it... Talk about voting against your own interests...

Same thing's going on in WI.

150 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:05:04pm

re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist

They photoshopped a slug on to my kale picture a few days ago.

151 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:05:10pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

But they are, of course, just a parody site, and the nicest of people. We're obsessed with them. Really.

They are not so keen on you either.

Which is really kind of funny since you are one of the sweetest and most insightful commenter here. They really hate women who are smarter than they are. Of course they hate anyone who is smarter than they are, which is most educated folks, but especially women.

152 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:06:24pm

re: #149 recusancy

Same thing's going on in WI.


Heard about that, didn't the governor threaten to use the National Guard on striking state employees?

153 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:06:41pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

Good point. I haven't noticed wingnut blogs even mention that story today.

Of course. That would disrupt the narrative that the right wing didn't shamelessly lie to get us into a useless war.

154 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:07:34pm

re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey all! It's been a busy day...

On another side note.. a little birdy told me that there is an entire thread on the village of the banned wishing me and my girl all sorts of ill will last night. I haven't looked. However, I must point out to those reading this from there, but really how pathetic are you if you are spending Valentine's day blogging about someone else who is actually with someone on Valentine's day? Honestly, guys, a little tip to you, if you stop being hateful, drunken and semi-literate, girls might dig you. Chen, it would also help if you moved out of your mom's house.

OH SNAP!!! ;-P

155 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:07:59pm

re: #148 Dmon

Kasich is trying to take away collective bargaing in Ohio, with GOP controll it could very likely happen. I am union firefighters here. There are whole bunch of shellshocked tea party firefighters at the firehouse, when I give them shit about voting the Republicans in, they say, "We didn't think they would do this". I ask them if they thoughtthey had just been kidding for the last 30 years when they said that public unions had to go. I also tell them not to worry, once we get our pay cut in half, I'm sure we'll get a $300 per year tax cut to make up for it... Talk about voting against your own interests...

Wisconsin is rising up. Even the Green Bay Packers called him out on it. There will be protests in the Capitol all week. I think this kind of stupidity from the Tea Party type politicians will be knocked down by next year.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:08:51pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

They photoshopped a slug on to my kale picture a few days ago.

I noticed that.

157 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:09:27pm

re: #155 mracb

Wisconsin is rising up. Even the Green Bay Packers called him out on it. There will be protests in the Capitol all week. I think this kind of stupidity from the Tea Party type politicians will be knocked down by next year.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Heard about the Packers calling him out, thought that was why cool even if they did beat my team a couple Sundays back :).

158 palomino  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:09:30pm

re: #29 Kid A

Congratulations, President Obama. You just won the 2012 election two years early.

Hope you're right. But I'm afraid there are a lot of idiot/ignorant/low-information independents out there, some of whom can be convinced by this type of crap. If a Republican wins fair and square, fine. But if he/she wins in part by exploiting these fears, it will be a low point in our electoral history.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:10:02pm

re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist

I noticed that.

I don't want to hurt your feelings, but your kale really isn't so interesting as to develop the kind of cult following it seems to have over there.

160 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:11:11pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

They photoshopped a slug on to my kale picture a few days ago.

Marking the most excited anyone has been about kale since I spread that rumor at my highschool it got you high.

161 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:11:16pm

re: #154 talon_262

OH SNAP!!! ;-P

Yeah, I I gave them a little love. Now their pathetic, meaningless existences, which are defined by being the sort of dateless, unwanted, unnecessary losers who hateblog obsessively on V-Day, will be temporarily justified, by my notice. In a way it is touching to be a celebrity and give them meaning.

162 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:13:22pm

re: #160 Obdicut

Marking the most excited anyone has been about kale since I spread that rumor at my highschool it got you high.

lol

163 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:15:14pm

re: #148 Dmon

Kasich is trying to take away collective bargaing in Ohio, with GOP controll it could very likely happen. I am union firefighters here. There are whole bunch of shellshocked tea party firefighters at the firehouse, when I give them shit about voting the Republicans in, they say, "We didn't think they would do this". I ask them if they thoughtthey had just been kidding for the last 30 years when they said that public unions had to go. I also tell them not to worry, once we get our pay cut in half, I'm sure we'll get a $300 per year tax cut to make up for it... Talk about voting against your own interests...

Very well said. The GOP has convinced the masses to completely sell themselves out. It is astonishing. How could anyone be against having more affordable healthcare for example?

How could anyone be against more affordable education, or clean air?

The GOP has created a perverse set of morons who are like an inverse French Revolution calling for more power to the aristocrats. Anyone who thinks the GOP which has waged a war on the American middle and working class for the last 40 years, is somehow out for them (unless they are a white plutocrat) is a fool.

164 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:17:01pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Heard about the Packers calling him out, thought that was why cool even if they did beat my team a couple Sundays back :).

Yeah I am a giant Steelers fan, but if there is any team I can be sort of OK with beating us, it is the Packers. I also got to say (though it shames me) we kinda fell apart that game. It's hard to win when you keep giving the ball away.

165 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:17:43pm

re: #158 palomino

Hope you're right. But I'm afraid there are a lot of idiot/ignorant/low-information independents out there, some of whom can be convinced by this type of crap. If a Republican wins fair and square, fine. But if he/she wins in part by exploiting these fears, it will be a low point in our electoral history.

What do Republicans have left to run on but exploiting fears?

166 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:18:23pm

More Fox News evidence that Obama is a secret Muslim:

Critics Slam U.S. Government, Media for 'Weak' Response to Anti-Christian Attacks

At least 65 Christians have been killed in attacks across the Muslim world in recent months, sparking sharp criticism from human rights groups that charge the U.S. government and media aren’t doing nearly enough to speak out against the violence.

[...]

Even the condolence statements have come up short, said Shea. When the Obama administration first noted an Oct. 31 church bombing in Iraq, for example, it sent “a general condolence to Iraqis that didn’t even mention the word Christian or churches -- even though it was a packed Sunday worship service for Christians that was blown up.”

First the war on Christmas, now proof that Obama favors murdering Christians as long as it's done by Muslims. Why would anyone need any more proof that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim and so, has no birth certificate?

167 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:19:22pm

re: #165 jamesfirecat

What do Republicans have left to run on but exploiting fears?

Helping to save the economy through TARP.

168 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:19:58pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Helping to save the economy through TARP.

Do you expect any of them to actually run ON as opposed to FROM that?

169 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:20:08pm

re: #159 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't want to hurt your feelings, but your kale really isn't so interesting as to develop the kind of cult following it seems to have over there.

That's not the real issue. They're all still butthurt over Killgore showing that Hotair was willing to put up with racism. The truth hurts.

170 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:20:54pm

re: #168 jamesfirecat

Do you expect any of them to actually run ON as opposed to FROM that?

No, they're not that smart.

171 Gus  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:21:50pm

re: #165 jamesfirecat

What do Republicans have left to run on but exploiting fears?

Today's GOP:

"It's not what we're for. It's what we're against!"

172 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:24:04pm

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

173 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:25:00pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

That's not the real issue. They're all still butthurt over Killgore showing that Hotair was willing to put up with racism. The truth hurts.

DF! Hey buddy. I was giving some romantic advice to them. It seems they were all alone, hateblogging on V-day while others were out with significant others.

That is just too sad even for them.

So I'm mostly sticking to get jobs and move out of your parent's basements, stop pretending that you are manly etc... sorts of advice for them.

Even though Douchebagua is too much of a whiny, mealy mouthed snit to ever be taken seriously by a woman, and that self proclaimed Adonis Rodan blames women for being all stuck up and not liking him, someone like Chen might have a chance if he just got a real job and moved away from his mum.

I mean there are reasons why they are all alone. We should help them.

174 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:25:25pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Take care of yourself, and diet and exercise are a good thing for dealing with heart issues.

175 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:25:48pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

Hey feel better buddy. I figured that if you weren't here it was because you were not alone :)

176 JAFO  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:26:17pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

I wish you well, my wife's BP is through the roof lately too.

177 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:26:39pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

Sorry to hear that, today is not a proud day for your party between trying to legalize killing abortion doctors, having your main selling point for a pre-emptive war proven to be a bald faced lie, and well the topic of this thread....

178 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:27:39pm

re: #148 Dmon

Please comment more. That was a good one.

179 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:27:54pm

re: #177 jamesfirecat

Um, James? Now may not be the time to try to rub DF's face in stuff.

180 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:29:03pm

re: #158 palomino

Hope you're right. But I'm afraid there are a lot of idiot/ignorant/low-information independents out there, some of whom can be convinced by this type of crap. If a Republican wins fair and square, fine. But if he/she wins in part by exploiting these fears, it will be a low point in our electoral history.

It's pretty fucking low right now.

Do consider we just had an election marked by the phrase "I'm not a witch..."

181 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:29:36pm

Feel better soon DF.

Best regards to all.

182 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:29:43pm

re: #177 jamesfirecat

No one hates the GOP more than me, but give him a break ok?

183 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:30:26pm

re: #179 Obdicut

Um, James? Now may not be the time to try to rub DF's face in stuff.

I was trying to say that in a "I'm sorry to hear that you're suffering especially with all of this taking place as well...." Sort of way, but I guess it didn't work...

184 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:32:17pm

re: #179 Obdicut

Um, James? Now may not be the time to try to rub DF's face in stuff.

Thanks, Obdi. I actually haven't been following the news before now. Until this afternoon, I couldn't read due to vertigo.

Also: Note to those reading this on other blogs: I've never mocked any medical condition of yours, I ask you now not to mock me over this. Mock my views or my sales skills if you want, but let's keep people's health off limits, please.

185 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:33:36pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

Do you have a digital BP monitor? I wonder if a night of blogging hurts or helps.

186 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:33:39pm

re: #183 jamesfirecat

I was trying to say that in a "I'm sorry to hear that you're suffering especially with all of this taking place as well..." Sort of way, but I guess it didn't work...

I know you didn't mean ill, James.

187 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:34:13pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Here's my new medical plan. I'm willing to share.

Image: 0af51be1-7119-42e8-b93e-11058d2d1501.jpg

Later, lizards.

188 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:35:13pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Thanks, Obdi. I actually haven't been following the news before now. Until this afternoon, I couldn't read due to vertigo.

Also: Note to those reading this on other blogs: I've never mocked any medical condition of yours, I ask you now not to mock me over this. Mock my views or my sales skills if you want, but let's keep people's health off limits, please.

Dude, they will of course try to mock that especially now that you wrote that... But do remember, you can do what I do and just not read them. That really pisses them off.

If a banned troll scrawls in the woods and no one gives a shit, does it become just another example of the useless and empty existence of the troll?

I only write what I did because I was so amused at the mail I got informing me of their posts last night. I am sure they are horribly insulting. I was just too busy having an actual life to notice them.

189 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:36:21pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

I know you didn't mean ill, James.

Pat..pat.. pat..

190 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:36:28pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Here's my new medical plan. I'm willing to share.

Image: 0af51be1-7119-42e8-b93e-11058d2d1501.jpg

Later, lizards.

OK the cute in that was over the top. You should get a penalty for unnecessary cuteness.

191 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:37:16pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

I know you didn't mean ill, James.

Thanks in other less depressing news, my home state is on the cusp of legalizing gay marriage!

192 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:37:34pm

re: #191 jamesfirecat

Thanks in other less depressing news, my home state is on the cusp of legalizing gay marriage!

Which state?

193 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:37:36pm

re: #190 LudwigVanQuixote

OK the cute in that was over the top. You should get a penalty for unnecessary cuteness.

Penalty is that is to clean up after the kitten for life.

194 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:38:48pm

re: #192 LudwigVanQuixote

Which state?

Surprised you don't have it memorized by no since I mention it fairly often, but Maryland.

195 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:41:50pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

Surprised you don't have it memorized by no since I mention it fairly often, but Maryland.

It's a sign of how deeply in the lab I've been that I missed that.

196 Gus  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:43:06pm

Otherwise...

New Poll: 51% of Likely GOP Voters Are Birthers

Pathetic.

197 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:44:20pm

re: #196 Gus 802
I agree. That is pathetic. :(

199 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:49:48pm

re: #196 Gus 802

Otherwise...

New Poll: 51% of Likely GOP Voters Are Birthers

Pathetic.

And they don't think evolution happened

And they don't think the climate is changing

And they think that the GOP are the fiscally responsible ones

And they think Saddam had a nuclear program

And they think that the constitution protects libel and slander.

And they think that slavery wasn't so bad.

And they think that the Confederates were heroes.

And they think that communists are everywhere.

And they think the commies (anti-religious) are allied with the Islamists (really religious) and are infiltrating America to bring Sharia.

And they think the oil companies are their friends.

And they think doctors should be murdered.

And they think women should be left to die - along with poor people.

And they think they aren't poor.

And they get really angry when others think they are stupid.

200 Gus  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:51:24pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks to Fox News, Fox Nation, right wing blogs and right wing talk radio.

202 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:52:44pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Thanks to Fox News, Fox Nation, right wing blogs and right wing talk radio.

Big lies work.

203 Gus  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:53:10pm

And while the 51 percenters are busy getting drunk again...

President Obama assists former President George H.W. Bush during todays Medal of Freedom ceremony at the White House.

Image: obamabush.jpg

From:

President George H.W. Bush, 14 Others Receive Medal Of Freedom

204 Gus  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:53:35pm

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

Big lies work.

Especially on tiny minds.

205 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:53:51pm

OK - this is just too funny.

Colbert actually comes up with a wackier conspiracy than Beck:

Colbert Nation Video

My favorite quote: "The conspiracies that we know are coming but might never happen are the most dangerous, because if they might never happen how will we know it if we stopped it?"

206 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:54:55pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

Hope you are feeling better. :)

I have had a very bad two days with my back pain. Not very good for my schoolwork. meh.

207 elizajane  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:55:41pm

Don't forget, they also think that only Democrats receive government handouts, while all Republicans are gritty, go-it-alone types. Cf. recent suggestion that, as a truly democratic experiment, the U.S. Government should defund Kentucky:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

And they don't think evolution happened

And they don't think the climate is changing

And they think that the GOP are the fiscally responsible ones

And they think Saddam had a nuclear program

And they think that the constitution protects libel and slander.

And they think that slavery wasn't so bad.

And they think that the Confederates were heroes.

And they think that communists are everywhere.

And they think the commies (anti-religious) are allied with the Islamists (really religious) and are infiltrating America to bring Sharia.

And they think the oil companies are their friends.

And they think doctors should be murdered.

And they think women should be left to die - along with poor people.

And they think they aren't poor.

And they get really angry when others think they are stupid.

208 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:58:20pm

re: #207 elizajane

Don't forget, they also think that only Democrats receive government handouts, while all Republicans are gritty, go-it-alone types. Cf. recent suggestion that, as a truly democratic experiment, the U.S. Government should defund Kentucky:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

I would like to see that actually. They voted for it - let them live it for a year.

209 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:02:37pm

re: #207 elizajane

Don't forget, they also think that only Democrats receive government handouts, while all Republicans are gritty, go-it-alone types.

Ex-friend of mine, who went full-teabagger a couple of years ago, loved to carry on about how evil public education was and how it should be replaced by the private sector.

In her home state, she attended a publicly funded state college.

After that, she came to Canada to attend a college here, despite the same program being available in American schools closer to where she lived, because (even with international student fees) tuition in Canada was cheaper. Why? Because our schools, even after cutbacks, even to this day, get more public funding than American schools.

*headdesk*

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:06:15pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

And they don't think evolution happened

Which reminds me, I stopped by a used bookstore to day and found a copy of The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, by Stephen Jay Gould. Seriously good stuff (even if I'm not so sure his punctured equilibrium is all that correct a model) especially the historical material on the development of evolutionary thinking. Made my day to find a tome like that one at a price I could actually afford :D

211 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:09:08pm

re: #210 wlewisiii

Give Darwin's Dangerous Idea a shot, if you find it around somewhere.

212 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:09:23pm

re: #209 publicityStunted

Ex-friend of mine, who went full-teabagger a couple of years ago, loved to carry on about how evil public education was and how it should be replaced by the private sector.

In her home state, she attended a publicly funded state college.

After that, she came to Canada to attend a college here, despite the same program being available in American schools closer to where she lived, because (even with international student fees) tuition in Canada was cheaper. Why? Because our schools, even after cutbacks, even to this day, get more public funding than American schools.

*headdesk*

You will find that all teabags are opposed to any social benefit - unless they are receiving it. The essence of teabaggery economically is a desire for all of the benefits of society with none of the duty and after making contributions themselves. They are not only parasites, but have a philosophy of it and are too stupid to even see that basic truth.

Teabag congress critters love their healthcare.

Teabags whine endlessly about medicare or social security until they need it.

Teabags love roads and such but hate paying for them.

The list goes on and on...

They are stupid scum.

213 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:11:02pm

re: #210 wlewisiii

Which reminds me, I stopped by a used bookstore to day and found a copy of The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, by Stephen Jay Gould. Seriously good stuff (even if I'm not so sure his punctured equilibrium is all that correct a model) especially the historical material on the development of evolutionary thinking. Made my day to find a tome like that one at a price I could actually afford :D

I liked that book a lot. Debating the complexities of things like the pre-Cambrian explosion are enough beyond my expertise to prevent me from stating a strong opinion.

214 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:11:09pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

BTW, just to let you all know: I wasn't here yesterday because I was suffering from vertigo brought on by high blood pressure. I saw my doctor today and I'm taking meds that reduces the veritgo, and others that'll bring my blood pressure down. So I'll be OK but posting may a little light tonight.

The meds will help with BP. I found out that I had high blood pressure when I woke up with a toothache one day. Once I got to the dentist, he refused to pull the tooth because my BP was so high I stood a chance of bleeding out if he pulled the tooth.

That was three years ago. I've been on Bystolic since then and my BP is pretty much normal.

215 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:13:15pm

We are one third-party-wedge away from a president nutbag in 2012. Just remember that. A split in the left's vote could hand us a national disaster.

There are plenty of scenarios that could land us with a clownshit insane president. I wouldn't relax yet, guys. Obama will probably win, but there is oh so much that could go wrong.

216 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:13:16pm

re: #211 Obdicut

Give Darwin's Dangerous Idea a shot, if you find it around somewhere.

It left me underwhelmed. Probably due to the fact that I do appreciate Mr. Gould much more than he does LOL.

217 Obdicut  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:16:24pm

re: #216 wlewisiii

Oh, he appreciates Gould. It's just that Gould (and Lewontin) were rather wrong on the end.

218 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:20:18pm

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

You will find that all teabags are opposed to any social benefit - unless they are receiving it. The essence of teabaggery economically is a desire for all of the benefits of society with none of the duty and after making contributions themselves. They are not only parasites, but have a philosophy of it and are too stupid to even see that basic truth.

Teabag congress critters love their healthcare.

Teabags whine endlessly about medicare or social security until they need it.

Teabags love roads and such but hate paying for them.

The list goes on and on...

They are stupid scum.

Never ascribe to malevolence what can be explained by incompetence...mostly.

Some are just pure assholes of the "Fuck you, I've got mine" variety.

219 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:23:46pm

re: #212 LudwigVanQuixote

You will find that all teabags are opposed to any social benefit - unless they are receiving it. The essence of teabaggery economically is a desire for all of the benefits of society with none of the duty and after making contributions themselves. They are not only parasites, but have a philosophy of it and are too stupid to even see that basic truth.

Teabag congress critters love their healthcare.

Teabags whine endlessly about medicare or social security until they need it.

Teabags love roads and such but hate paying for them.

The list goes on and on...

They are stupid scum.

Every couple of years you see these kind of studies. Most seem to reach the same basic conclusion. In general, conservatives are more generous than liberals with their time, money, and even blood donations. You need to get out and meet some more people. There are a lot a nice folks in this country. Some of them are conservative.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

220 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:24:53pm

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

LOL!
*smooch*

221 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:24:58pm

LMAO...

OK, I just got a mail from a friend...

It seems Douchebagua got deeply offended by my post pointing out that he was so pathetic that he spent valentines day hateblogging about someone with an actual date.

He wrote apparently...

That hundreds of people don't like me (more like ten of you at the swamp with multiple socks adding up to hundereds of multiple personae)

and called me

get this:

"Mr. Pretend Scientist!"

LMAO

Douchebagua, you see it is because of stuff like this you are all alone, unloved, worthless and forgettable. Have fun Next Valentines day dude :) I'm sure some sock accounts of yourself can keep you comfortable.

222 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:25:58pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Here's my new medical plan. I'm willing to share.

Image: 0af51be1-7119-42e8-b93e-11058d2d1501.jpg

Later, lizards.

I think it'll work!

223 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:26:30pm

re: #219 compound idaho

Ahhh the thousand points of light argument.... Yes indeedy... The few bucks a year a conservative gives outweighs a well funded social program?

But then again what about Soros and his donations?

oops.

224 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:27:36pm

re: #220 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
*smooch*

Hey babe. I'm mocking the trolls. A birdy told me they were hateblogging about me and my girl on Valentine's day. It's pretty hilarious they were all alone with their socks that night.

225 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:29:27pm

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey babe. I'm mocking the trolls. A birdy told me they were hateblogging about me and my girl on Valentine's day. It's pretty hilarious they were all alone with their socks that night.

Of course they were.

Youtube Video

*smooch*
226 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:32:07pm

re: #155 mracb

Wisconsin is rising up. Even the Green Bay Packers called him out on it. There will be protests in the Capitol all week. I think this kind of stupidity from the Tea Party type politicians will be knocked down by next year.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]


I rooted for the Pack in the Super Bowl almost solely based on the fact that they weren't the Steelers.

I think I just might have a new favorite team. :-)

227 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:33:12pm

re: #226 BongCrodny

Hey now! I can understand rooting for anyone but Dallas, but what have the Steelers ever done to you?

228 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:36:13pm

re: #227 LudwigVanQuixote

Hey now! I can understand rooting for anyone but Dallas, but what have the Steelers ever done to you?


Not much of a fan of Big Ben.

Love Pittsburgh (the city), though. :-)

229 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:36:33pm

re: #215 Fozzie Bear

We are one third-party-wedge away from a president nutbag in 2012. Just remember that. A split in the left's vote could hand us a national disaster.

There are plenty of scenarios that could land us with a clownshit insane president. I wouldn't relax yet, guys. Obama will probably win, but there is oh so much that could go wrong.

This is a serious, important and very good point.

I assume that Nader has been put to pasture?

230 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:36:56pm

re: #228 BongCrodny

Not much of a fan of Big Ben.

Love Pittsburgh (the city), though. :-)

Yeah I can see that point. I'm not either.

231 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:38:29pm

re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh the thousand points of light argument... Yes indeedy... The few bucks a year a conservative gives outweighs a well funded social program?

But then again what about Soros and his donations?

oops.

Charity is a good thing. No? Conservatives pay the same in taxes yet somehow find the time, money, and blood to even more. Oh wait they are all "stupid scum".

232 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:38:31pm

re: #218 talon_262

Never ascribe to malevolence what can be explained by incompetence...mostly.

Some are just pure assholes of the "Fuck you, I've got mine" variety.

It really seems to me that the fuck you I've got mine attitude is the essence of teabaggery.

233 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:40:49pm

re: #231 compound idaho

Charity is a good thing. No? Conservatives pay the same in taxes yet somehow find the time, money, and blood to even more. Oh wait they are all "stupid scum".

Can we get some stats that compare how much conservatives give against how much they have?

234 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:41:47pm

The #1 rule of propaganda, and drug dealing, is this: Don't get high on your own supply.

The GOP has gone too far and violated this rule, and the nuts are now running the asylum.

235 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:42:43pm

re: #233 jamesfirecat

Can we get some stats that compare how much conservatives give against how much they have?

The original link made reference to that.

"But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes."

236 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:43:20pm

re: #231 compound idaho

Charity is a good thing. No? Conservatives pay the same in taxes yet somehow find the time, money, and blood to even more. Oh wait they are all "stupid scum".

If you think charity will do what a well funded social program will, you may not be scum, but you sure as hell are stupid.

237 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:43:48pm

re: #231 compound idaho

Charity is a good thing. No? Conservatives pay the same in taxes yet somehow find the time, money, and blood to even more. Oh wait they are all "stupid scum".

Yeah, but I don't believe those stats.

The reason I don't is because of all of those liberals out there working in the inner city and doing teach America and stuff - and the fact that as per blood drives, it always seems to be run by the campus hippies.

As to paying the same taxes, you sure whine about them helping others get things like food, shelter, medical care and educations... You know a few bucks or hours at the soup kitchen really doesn't address the issue...

Then there are the Black and Hispanic groups that are all about helping out their people. Lots of people s[pend lots of time working for the NAACP for example.

And then all of those lefty lawyers at places like SPLC...

Well that and that the Jewish populace donates more per capita than anyone and well we are mostly not teabags - especially the ones with the money to donate.

So yeah, I don't buy your argument and I reject your premise completely.

238 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:43:48pm

re: #235 compound idaho

The original link made reference to that.

"But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes."

Can I see this study?

How long ago was it conducted?

239 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:44:06pm

re: #226 BongCrodny

I rooted for the Pack in the Super Bowl almost solely based on the fact that they weren't the Steelers.

I think I just might have a new favorite team. :-)

I rooted for the Steelers, because I'm a Bears fan, so I root against the Packers by nature.

240 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:45:49pm

re: #205 Talking Point Detective

OK - this is just too funny.

Colbert actually comes up with a wackier conspiracy than Beck:

[Link: www.colbertnation.com...]

My favorite quote: "The conspiracies that we know are coming but might never happen are the most dangerous, because if they might never happen how will we know it if we stopped it?"

The wackiest conspiracy theory, honestly, should be a competition.
Ending one week after the next Presidential election!

241 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:47:22pm

re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote

Then there are the Black and Hispanic groups that are all about helping out their people. Lots of people s[pend lots of time working for the NAACP for example.


COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!

242 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:47:46pm

re: #240 Floral Giraffe

The wackiest conspiracy theory, honestly, should be a competition.
Ending one week after the next Presidential election!

Yeah cause it won't be funny anymore under a president Beck. /

243 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:50:00pm

re: #236 Fozzie Bear

If you think charity will do what a well funded social program will, you may not be scum, but you sure as hell are stupid.

"The basis of successful relief in national distress is to mobilize and organize the infinite number of agencies of self help in the community. That has been the American way of relieving distress among our own people and the country is successfully meeting its problem in the American way today. "

Herbert Hoover, rejecting Federal relief appropriations, 1931

244 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:50:33pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

"The basis of successful relief in national distress is to mobilize and organize the infinite number of agencies of self help in the community. That has been the American way of relieving distress among our own people and the country is successfully meeting its problem in the American way today. "

Herbert Hoover, rejecting Federal relief appropriations, 1931

And look how well that worked out!

245 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:51:54pm

re: #236 Fozzie Bear

If you think charity will do what a well funded social program will, you may not be scum, but you sure as hell are stupid.

Gee thanks! At least I am not scum.re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote

If it makes you feel better, don't believe them.

Got to go. Batting practice with the little league. Yes volunteer.

246 Lidane  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:56:54pm

re: #101 Kid A

Professor Beck now has expanded his krazy kaliphate konspiracy to include MTV and the HW Bush State Department.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

So Snooki is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood now?

Also, saying that the HW Bush State Department is aligned with the caliphate is hilarious. Wouldn't that make both James Baker and Lawrence Eagleburger secret jihadis, since they both served as Secretary of State?

247 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 6:57:06pm

re: #245 compound idaho

Gee thanks! At least I am not scum.re: #237 LudwigVanQuixote

If it makes you feel better, don't believe them.

Got to go. Batting practice with the little league. Yes volunteer.

It that your idea of community development? My next commie Habitat house will be my 81st.

248 Lidane  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:00:14pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

My next commie Habitat house will be my 81st.

That is awesome. Upding for you!

249 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:06:38pm

re: #246 Lidane

So Snooki is aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood now?

Also, saying that the HW Bush State Department is aligned with the caliphate is hilarious. Wouldn't that make both James Baker and Lawrence Eagleburger secret jihadis, since they both served as Secretary of State?

Beck is going all out with craziness. Hopefully he falls apart soon. America would be better without him on the air.

250 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:07:43pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Beck is going all out with craziness. Hopefully he falls apart soon. America would be better without him on the air.

I'd make references to Network but somebody might get the wrong idea that I was inciting/suggesting violence....

251 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:15:22pm

re: #248 Lidane

That is awesome. Upding for you!

I'm sick to death of that meme.

Teaching a "WomenBuild" volunteer to drop prefab framing from the 18-wheeler. I'm a 'women-friendly' volunteer allowed to instruct on women-only sites:

Image: 095-big.jpg

The women's last house-raising:
Image: 243-big.jpg

252 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:17:04pm

re: #250 jamesfirecat

I'd make references to Network but somebody might get the wrong idea that I was inciting/suggesting violence...

Well, I'd like to see Beck hauling off his set screaming, followed by Fox News getting slugged with a whooping fine for his asshattery. It would be a step in the right direction.

253 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:23:01pm

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

Well, I'd like to see Beck hauling off his set screaming, followed by Fox News getting slugged with a whooping fine for his asshattery. It would be a step in the right direction.


"Three days of the Hunter Job"

254 palomino  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:28:48pm

re: #165 jamesfirecat

What do Republicans have left to run on but exploiting fears?

I really hate to say it, but that might be enough. It's worked in the past. They used a lot of it in 2004.

255 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:31:07pm

re: #254 palomino

I really hate to say it, but that might be enough. It's worked in the past. They used a lot of it in 2004.

In 2004 they had political inertia on their side...

256 Lidane  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:39:28pm

re: #254 palomino

I really hate to say it, but that might be enough. It's worked in the past. They used a lot of it in 2004.

In 2004, they had a then-popular war on their side, and a shitty Democratic candidate running against them.

In 2008, they tried it and it failed miserably.

In 2012, if all they offer is fear, it might not be enough, especially given all the Bad Crazy that's been coming from the right lately.

257 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 7:46:34pm

Back from an always wild and fun College Dems meeting. Going to the Jefferson-Jackson dinner Saturday in Richmond. Should be fun times.

258 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 9:12:38pm

re: #256 Lidane

Actually in 2008 they had a shithole of an economic mess that did them in

In 2010 the Dems had a shithole of an economic mess plus the fear mongering of the Right that hit them hard

I'd be willing to bet that if the economy is still shitty in 2012 we'll see a swing back the other way. Let's face it the only reason a lot of people voted Republican in the last election was because they didn't want to vote Democrat.

That tide can easily turn again.

259 palomino  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 9:33:43pm

re: #256 Lidane

In 2004, they had a then-popular war on their side, and a shitty Democratic candidate running against them.

In 2008, they tried it and it failed miserably.

In 2012, if all they offer is fear, it might not be enough, especially given all the Bad Crazy that's been coming from the right lately.

True enough, but the fear of gay marriage and terrorism helped the gop a lot in 2004 as the war's popularity was beginning to fade by that point. Fear was a way for the gop to electorally hedge their bet on the war.

If birtherism helps the gop win in 2012, they'll deserve all the scorn heaped upon them and more. They will also likely sacrifice the vote of not just blacks but other minorities and immigrants for the next generation. That would be the silver lining in what would otherwise be the most contemptible moment in American electoral history. Even a stolen election, like 1960, pales by comparison.

260 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 9:54:06pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

It that your idea of community development? My next commie Habitat house will be my 81st.

Yes it is. If you knew the homes some of these kids come from, you wouldn't have asked.

261 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 10:03:15pm

re: #259 palomino

True enough, but the fear of gay marriage and terrorism helped the gop a lot in 2004 as the war's popularity was beginning to fade by that point. Fear was a way for the gop to electorally hedge their bet on the war.

If birtherism helps the gop win in 2012, they'll deserve all the scorn heaped upon them and more. They will also likely sacrifice the vote of not just blacks but other minorities and immigrants for the next generation. That would be the silver lining in what would otherwise be the most contemptible moment in American electoral history. Even a stolen election, like 1960, pales by comparison.

It'll sorta be 21st century America in a nutshell

"Look, we elected a black president! We're enlightened! Oh dude! Now let's burn him as a witch because of our mumbo jumbo conspiracy theories!"

262 palomino  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 10:21:35pm

re: #261 WindUpBird

It'll sorta be 21st century America in a nutshell

"Look, we elected a black president! We're enlightened! Oh dude! Now let's burn him as a witch because of our mumbo jumbo conspiracy theories!"

As unseemly as it may sound, this is the likely gop calculus for 2012: "We're not gonna get any more of the non-white vote than the 20% we got last time. But Obama only got 43% of the white vote in 2008. If we can get that down below 40%, he's gonna lose those close purple states. And one way to do that is to muddy the waters about who he really is." Hence, no denunciation of the birthers.

263 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 10:28:58pm

re: #21 elizajane

"Don't know if he was born here" is just the polite way of saying "he sure as sh*t isn't One of Us." After all, Real Americans come from the South, own guns, and are proudly obese. Do you count as American if you were born in Manhattan? Can Arizona make a law about that?

LOL! I could have written that!

264 wiffersnapper  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 10:35:29pm

Glad to be in the minority!

265 thecommodore  Tue, Feb 15, 2011 10:53:05pm

This is why conservatism and especially the GOP needs stupid people to survive.

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 2:49:44am

I posted this earlier, but the reason for this is simple.

Remember when you were a kid and you were convinced that your kid brother was not your brother, but a mutant alien baby smuggled into your mom's hospital room during the night?

There are a lot of people who cannot come to terms with Obama as President for whatever reasons: racial, ideological, political, etc., and are open to any argument that justifies them not accepting him as President.

267 boxhead  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 3:16:26am

re: #265 thecommodore

This is why conservatism and especially the GOP needs stupid people to survive.

Conservatism is not evil. It is a philosophy. The current GOP, IMHO, is not very conservative at all. The GOP saw how successful Scientology is and stole their business plan...

// (i think)

268 jea62  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 4:16:40am

It's the liberal media's fault. I know because Rush Limbaugh told me.

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 4:29:37am

The scary thing is that if you are not conservative enough for the extreme conservatives, you soon find yourself thrown into the conspiracy ring - look at Beck's CPAC/Al-Qaeda/Soros/MTV theories. Grover Norquist? GHW Bush?

Now that is scary.

270 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 6:54:06am

re: #219 compound idaho

Every couple of years you see these kind of studies. Most seem to reach the same basic conclusion. In general, conservatives are more generous than liberals with their time, money, and even blood donations. You need to get out and meet some more people. There are a lot a nice folks in this country. Some of them are conservative.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

I followed the link. The only named study referenced in the article is the Generosity Index from the Catalogue for Philanthropy. Most people haven't looked at how that index is done, and because they don't they do not realize it's a stacked deck.

Here's the methodology. The data source used is the IRS database for tax returns. AGIs for a state are averaged, then ranked. Then charitable contributions declared for deduction are averaged and ranked. The RANK of charitable contributions is then subtracted from the RANK of AGIs to create the index.

Can you see the flaw? Here's a clue: if you're number one in income, you cannot have a score better than zero.

Arthur Brooks, the author Kristof cites for his article, is president of the AEI (American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research). For those who haven't noticed, the AEI's research always says Republicans are better. Recently, the AEI has been a strong Tea Party supporter. Oddly, I find that when Brooks writes a book that says the Republicans and particularly the Tea Partiers are Better People I question it. When I discover he's using the Generosity Index as a part of his basis, I know I can safely ignore it.

271 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:04:10am

What's depressing is that even if Obama provided that birth certificate precisely the way birthers wanted it, they probably still wouldn't believe it. Instead of disagreeing with the president on his policies, they focus on something as pointless as this. It's been 2 years since Obama came to office. If you're still debating this instead of more important issues at hand, you've gone completely cuckoo.

272 skysoldier  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:09:35am

The old saying that "the masses are asses" still stands. It was as true when this was a right wing blog as it is now that it is a left wing blog. In 2009 the same polling company found that 22% of the people of New Jersey (both parties) either believed or were not sure if Obama was the anti-Christ. At the time of that poll 19 (32D) % thought GWB had prior knowledge of 9-11 and 21 (33R)% thought Obama was not a natural citizen.

Outrageous claims such as Bush orchestrated 9-11 or Obama is an African-Muslim-Communist Manchurian candidate are simply the way in which the inarticulate express anger at the situation they are facing. If indeed the number of "birthers" has increased that much in the last two years try to look at it less as there are really that many people that believe that nonsense as much as it is there are that many more people that are sick of the economy being in the tank still, sick of the policies and sick of the ever increasing spending.

The pendulum of American politics is swaying further and faster of the last couple of decades, it really has to stop. Obama, Pelosi and company overreacted to the Bush years and if the house majority is an indication of what the next Republican cycle will look like then they will overreact in their correction leading to an even bigger reaction from the left, how long before all these radical shifts topple the system?

Yes, most of us would like to see America go back to being center-right as it had been and do not need Glen Beck or stupid conspiracies to do it with. Of course, as I never had the thrill go up my leg I find it hard to relate to Chris Matthews.

273 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:12:53am

re: #272 skysoldier

7/8ths ding. Note the thread is pretty dead for such an effortfull comment.

274 S'latch  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:15:55am

re: #272 skysoldier

I think you comment is excellent. If I could give you two up-dings, I would.

re: #273 Decatur Deb

This thread is hardly dead. It is the second thread from the top and it was updated yesterday afternoon.

275 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:19:58am

re: #274 Lawrence Schmerel

I think you comment is excellent. If I could give you two up-dings, I would.

re: #273 Decatur Deb

This thread is hardly dead. It is the second thread from the top and it was updated yesterday afternoon.

It was a good comment, though I disagree with his center-right comfort level. He just won't get the impact it deserves on a 12 viewer or fewer thread--I only caught it because I was in Masterspy.

276 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:22:48am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Really? It felt like the same old tiresome magical balance fairy stuff to me, which has an uncanny knack for showing up on dead or comatose threads.

277 S'latch  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:23:46am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

I won't take issue with your criticism because you are certainly entitled to your preference. But, I think most reasonable people would take center-anything at this point. I think the overreaching and overreacting on both sides is destructive.

278 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:34:38am

re: #276 publicityStunted

Really? It felt like the same old tiresome magical balance fairy stuff to me, which has an uncanny knack for showing up on dead or comatose threads.

I just read him as having a natural craving for a bit of balance--I happen to move the fulcrum farther to the left. The insanity since the inauguration is wearing on everyone; the trick is to avoid wearing down.

279 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:39:10am

re: #277 Lawrence Schmerel

I won't take issue with your criticism because you are certainly entitled to your preference. But, I think most reasonable people would take center-anything at this point. I think the overreaching and overreacting on both sides is destructive.

The problem is that while overreaching on either side is destructive, the amount of overreach on each side is not equal.

Your post smacks to me of that constant reference to how a third of Democrats thought Bush knew the attacks were coming -- a point in which everyone forgets the context.

Context? For the three weeks prior to that poll, Tenet's book came out and the Big Fact from the book that came out on every single talk-show was that Bush had seen / been told of the assessment that Bin Laden was going to attack the US. When you read the question Rasmussen wrote keeping that in mind you see exactly how vague it really was. Does it mean Bush knew bin Laden was going to attack (yes, see title of report), or does it mean Bush knew bin Laden's group was going to hijack airliners (yes, that was in the report) or does it mean Bush knew the airliners were going to be used as guided missiles (no, not by any evidence I've seen)?

In the meantime you've got an explicit question (was Obama born in the United States?) to which 51% - not half, but 51%, said "no". Another quarter or so, just as with the attack question, didn't think they knew enough to be certain.

So yeah, it sounds like the magical balance fairy when the implication is that the left is as bad as the right.

280 S'latch  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 7:51:30am

Your comment is a good one. And, I agree that the right is worse than the left. But, this is my concern. I believe one of the reasons that the right made some significant political gains in 2010 was because the left came to power in 2006 and 2008 and attempted too much too quickly. I do not believe they did enough of the right things to improve the economy and I believe the state of the economy is hurting people. The risk now is that in 2012 will bring some even more dangerous right wingers to power. That is what I am talking about when I say that the overreaching and overreacting on both sides is destructive. I would be happy for you to tell me why I don't need to worry.

281 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:29:58am

re: #280 Lawrence Schmerel

Your comment is a good one. And, I agree that the right is worse than the left. But, this is my concern. I believe one of the reasons that the right made some significant political gains in 2010 was because the left came to power in 2006 and 2008 and attempted too much too quickly. I do not believe they did enough of the right things to improve the economy and I believe the state of the economy is hurting people. The risk now is that in 2012 will bring some even more dangerous right wingers to power. That is what I am talking about when I say that the overreaching and overreacting on both sides is destructive. I would be happy for you to tell me why I don't need to worry.

Ah. Actually, I think the right made significant political gains in 2010 because the left did NOT overreach -- as you said, did not do enough to improve the economy. A significant part of that was the active opposition to doing these things that came from the right.

I'm going to repeat that. There was no overreach from the left. There was underreach. The underreach was caused by the right's behavior. The right's behavior was driven by its large extremist plurality.

282 S'latch  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:40:19am

What did the left propose to do to improve the economy that would have made the difference that the right prevented them from doing?

283 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:42:39am

re: #282 Lawrence Schmerel

What did the left propose to do to improve the economy that would have made the difference that the right prevented them from doing?

Give a bigger stimulus.

284 S'latch  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:43:10am

Oh.

285 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:44:43am

re: #283 kirkspencer

Give a bigger stimulus.

Sorry, that's incomplete. Give a bigger stimulus, and package it more heavily toward immediate expenditures instead of dragging it over a year and half of outlays. Use mostly outlays instead of tax credits and tax cuts.

In simple, use it as the nitrous oxide boost. That, after all, has worked well every time it was used in the past.

286 S'latch  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:48:48am

Yes, I can see how that would have worked. It is quite clear that the economy would be booming if we had done that. A little nitrous, as you say, good stuff.

287 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 16, 2011 8:52:07am

re: #286 Lawrence Schmerel

Yes, I can see how that would have worked. It is quite clear that the economy would be booming if we had done that. A little nitrous, as you say, good stuff.

Probably not booming (yet), but definitely out of the doldrums. Ah well. I'm going to end in this thread, thanks for discussing.

288 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 7:25:11am

An appropriate response to the media asking about this issue should be this:

"I thought it was the job of the media to uncover the truth about these things. What have you discovered about this? With first amendment rights come responsibilities."

:)

289 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:59:25pm

re: #288 Girl with a Pearl Earring

An appropriate response to the media asking about this issue should be this:

"I thought it was the job of the media to uncover the truth about these things. What have you discovered about this? With first amendment rights come responsibilities."

:)

So you're a Birther too?


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