Middle East and North Africa in Turmoil

But Gaddafi hangs in there
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Massive protests are taking place throughout the Mideast and North Africa, triggered by events in Tunisia and Egypt. In Bahrain, the Sunni regime launched a swift and violent crackdown on demonstrators in the capital, killing at least three people.

In Libya’s capital, there were pro-Gaddafi demonstrators but no sign of unrest, although violent crackdowns on protesters were reported in other cities.

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1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 11:56:43am

Bahrain is not ready for Democracy, not as long as the US 5th Fleet is stationed there...

2 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 11:57:22am

just like in Wisconsin

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3 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 11:58:35am

THIS WAS PREDICTED BY BECKSTRADAMUS. REPENT.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:00:27pm

This is a no-Bahrain-er

5 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:01:15pm

wow, this could end up being one of those threads.

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:01:18pm

If I lived under Qaddafi, I wouldn't be protesting, either.

Looking to emigrate, maybe, but not getting my head caved in.

8 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:03:58pm

Egypt may just be the start of the real Domino effect over there...

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:04:20pm

re: #7 Alouette

Israeli hippie/anarchist/doofus wants to see action in Tel Aviv.

He should work on his pick up lines, then.

10 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:04:31pm

re: #8 Dreggas

Egypt may just be the start of the real Domino effect over there...

It started with Tunisia.

11 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:05:06pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

It started with Tunisia.

Some still insist that it started in Iraq.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:05:09pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

It started with Tunisia.

A fruit vendor.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:05:43pm

re: #6 EmmmieG

If I lived under Qaddafi, I wouldn't be protesting, either.

Looking to emigrate, maybe, but not getting my head caved in.

I met the imam who was Qaddafi's Youth Sports Club coach when he was a youth.

Lovely man. Lives in Cologne now.

14 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:06:06pm

The situation in Bahrain may not be as clear cut. There have been multiple reports that the Saudis are assisting the Bahraini regime in putting down the protests - that they sent in 150 tanks and APCs, which might explain why they're much more willing to use deadly force than what we saw with the Egyptian army and protesters who expressed a kinship with each other.

Add to that the fact that there's a sectarian divide in Bahrain - that the regime is Sunni, but it's the Shi'a majority that's protesting, and you have another layer of discontent.

The Saudis want to quell the protests lest they spread to their country, which explains the Saudi motivations for getting involved.

15 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:07:19pm

re: #4 ralphieboy

This is a no-Bahrain-er

*groan*

16 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:07:20pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

It started with Tunisia.

is that a song cue?

[starts to sing romantic ballad from 1940s movie...]

17 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:07:55pm

re: #16 engineer dog

is that a song cue?

[starts to sing romantic ballad from 1940s movie...]

No... it's just a fact... it didn't start in Egypt.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:07:56pm

re: #14 lawhawk

The situation in Bahrain may not be as clear cut. There have been multiple reports that the Saudis are assisting the Bahraini regime in putting down the protests - that they sent in 150 tanks and APCs, which might explain why they're much more willing to use deadly force than what we saw with the Egyptian army and protesters who expressed a kinship with each other.

Add to that the fact that there's a sectarian divide in Bahrain - that the regime is Sunni, but it's the Shi'a majority that's protesting, and you have another layer of discontent.

The Saudis want to quell the protests lest they spread to their country, which explains the Saudi motivations for getting involved.

I saw a very interesting statistic the other day. One in six Hessian mercenary that was sent to fight in the Revolutionary War deserted and stayed here.

Considering that they were being payed chicken feed, while their rulers were being paid handsomely, this makes sense.

19 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:08:18pm

re: #11 ralphieboy

Some still insist that it started in Iraq.

I contend that it started with Jesus.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:08:48pm

re: #7 Alouette

Israeli hippie/anarchist/doofus wants to see action in Tel Aviv.

OY.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:08:59pm

re: #19 Fozzie Bear

2,000 years is a pretty long fuse.

22 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:09:22pm

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

No... it's just a fact... it didn't start in Egypt.

If by Egypt you mean Tunisia, yes.

23 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:09:50pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

YARG I can't read.

Disregard.

24 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:09:51pm

re: #22 Fozzie Bear

If by Egypt you mean Tunisia, yes.

Remind me not to hire you as a travel agent.

25 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:10:24pm

re: #21 EmmmieG

2,000 years is a pretty long fuse.

I blame Cthulhu, but then again, I blame everything on him.

26 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:10:52pm

i heard that It Started In Naples

27 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:11:06pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I blame Cthulhu, but then again, I blame everything on him.

I wouldn't dare blame him. I just thank him profusely so that I may be among the first eaten.

28 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:11:06pm

re: #19 Fozzie Bear

I contend that it started with Jesus.

Moses.

And it was about who was the cool kid at school.

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29 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:11:42pm

re: #28 lawhawk

It was probably started by some malcontents in the city of Ur.

30 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:14:40pm

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

I wouldn't dare blame him. I just thank him profusely so that I may be among the first eaten.

I made a deal with Hastur, so I'm good.

31 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:15:39pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

It was probably started by some malcontents in the city of Ur.

I was in Paris when things got really squirrelly in Tunisia. You should have seen the how suddenly there was more national police on the streets of Paris around major monuments and other public places. I counted at least 18 people walking around the Tour Eiffel with automatic rifles.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:15:40pm

re: #27 Fozzie Bear

I wouldn't dare blame him. I just thank him profusely so that I may be among the first eaten.

I Blame It On The Bossa Nova

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:16:34pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

I was in Paris when things got really squirrelly in Tunisia. You should have seen the how suddenly there was more national police on the streets of Paris around major monuments and other public places. I counted at least 18 people walking around the Tour Eiffel with automatic rifles.


Just a colonial heritage coming home to roost

34 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:16:39pm

Map of Protests in Libya

[Link: maps.google.com...]

35 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:19:02pm

re: #32 ralphieboy

I Blame It On The Bossa Nova

Blame Canada!

36 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:19:10pm

re: #33 ralphieboy

Just a colonial heritage coming home to roost

Are you trying to explain something to me you think I don't already understand? Or do you think I'm just stupid?

37 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:19:56pm

more mooselim violence and nukular threats

The surface of the Sun erupts with dazzling solar flares that form giant, glowing loops reaching tens of thousands of kilometres into space.

Solar flares are the most violent explosions in the solar system and each releases as much energy as a hundred million hydrogen bombs.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:21:00pm

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

Are you trying to explain something to me you think I don't already understand? Or do you think I'm just stupid?


I just wanna own this thread...

39 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:21:23pm

re: #35 Alouette

Blame Canada!


Hey!

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:21:32pm

re: #35 Alouette

Blame Canada!

Combine them and blame Aldo Nova...

;)

41 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:21:42pm

Faux News has a reporter on the ground in Bahrain trying to locate an ACORN office.

/

42 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:23:51pm

This is the Republican Party:

Jim DeMint: President Barack Obama Is Not The Nation's Leader

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) doesn't think President Barack Obama should be considered the leader of the United States of America.

During a speech covering the national debt, earmarks, the 2012 Presidential election and the repeal of the health care law on Thursday, DeMint told members of the D.C. chapter of the conservative Federalist Society, "This whole idea that the President is the leader of our country is a mistake."

DeMint added, "Leadership starts in the homes in the communities, in businesses, in churches. I've lived in a community and I know where the leaders are and it's not in Washington. And this pretense that he's our nation's leader... I'm not just talking about Obama I'm talking about any President."

"A candidate who goes out and makes all these promises about what he's going to do in all areas of our society needs to be removed from consideration," DeMint said to applause from the audience.

"It's pretty clear this President is not going to lead," DeMint explained to his audience. "We've got to replace this President."

Continues.

43 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:25:30pm

An ABC journalist has also been "badly beaten" in Manama, Bahrain:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

A press badge is not a shield of invulnerability. But since thugs around the world have seen that reporting can be controlled why shouldn't they be expected to try a little control of journalists themselves?

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:25:36pm

re: #42 Gus 802

This is the Republican Party:

Jim DeMint: President Barack Obama Is Not The Nation's Leader


He just said that Ronald Reagan was not our nation's leader from 1980-88?

45 researchok  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:25:46pm

re: #29 Fozzie Bear

It was probably started by some malcontents in the city of Ur.

Abe- that was the guy's name.

46 Fart Knocker  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:25:58pm

re: #32 ralphieboy

I Blame It On The Bossa Nova

I blame Vinz Clortho the Keymaster of Gozer.

47 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:26:03pm

re: #42 Gus 802

This is the Republican Party:

Jim DeMint: President Barack Obama Is Not The Nation's Leader

For a party that says "Lead, follow, or get out of the way" all the time, they sure do get a kick out of obstructing.

48 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:26:52pm

re: #43 Girl with a Pearl Earring

An ABC journalist has also been "badly beaten" in Manama, Bahrain:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

A press badge is not a shield of invulnerability. But since thugs around the world have seen that reporting can be controlled why shouldn't they be expected to try a little control of journalists themselves?

Any comments from Nir Rosen?

49 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:27:13pm

So Presidents don't lead, it's the people. Check.

Obama makes promises and doesn't lead. Gotcha.

So we need to replace him with one who does lead even though Presidents don't lead? ???

50 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:28:21pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For a party that says "Lead, follow, or get out of the way" all the time, they sure do get a kick out of obstructing.

Linked it...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Here's my keywords: Jim DeMint, GOP, Republican Party, Traitors, Unpatriotic, Un-American, Sedition, Theocracy, Wingnuts, Right Wing Extremism

51 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:28:45pm

re: #49 Jadespring

So Presidents don't lead, it's the people. Check.

Obama makes promises and doesn't lead. Gotcha.

So we need to replace him with one who does lead even though Presidents don't lead? ???

They are a autonomous collective of non-entities in a leaderless movement.

52 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:31:07pm

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They are a autonomous collective of non-entities in a leaderless movement.

OMG. That sounds just like Egypt.

Where's Beck? Glenn, Glenn! De Mint is in on this too! He's just being nuanced

53 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:34:22pm

re: #49 Jadespring

So Presidents don't lead, it's the people. Check.

Obama makes promises and doesn't lead. Gotcha.

So we need to replace him with one who does lead even though Presidents don't lead? ???

I get a kick (and a bit of a shiver) at the idea of "liberation solutions".

54 Zanobia  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:34:47pm

Don't forget unrest in Iraq as well. Both the north and the south are on fire. In Bahrain, both Sunnis AND Shia are protesting against their ruler. Everybody is the middle east is united for the first time against injustice.

55 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:35:42pm

The phone has been ringing off the hook today which is a sign that business is picking up. Once call was from a telemarketer trying to sell some anti texting while driving thing. I was polite and let him do his thing and then told him I don't own a cell phone and wasn't interested. He got snotty and said, "why don't you want to save children from needless car accidents?". I told him I don't like children. There was an awkward silence and he hung up. Heh.

56 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:36:40pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The phone has been ringing off the hook today which is a sign that business is picking up. Once call was from a telemarketer trying to sell some anti texting while driving thing. I was polite and let him do his thing and then told him I don't own a cell phone and wasn't interested. He got snotty and said, "why don't you want to save children from needless car accidents?". I told him I don't like children. There was an awkward silence and he hung up. Heh.

WC Trout?

/

57 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:37:48pm

re: #56 Gus 802

WC Trout?

/

....I never drink water. Fish fuck in it.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:40:17pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The phone has been ringing off the hook today which is a sign that business is picking up. Once call was from a telemarketer trying to sell some anti texting while driving thing. I was polite and let him do his thing and then told him I don't own a cell phone and wasn't interested. He got snotty and said, "why don't you want to save children from needless car accidents?". I told him I don't like children. There was an awkward silence and he hung up. Heh.

Heh. Had a door-to-door salesman for the cable company come by the other day. He wanted to save us from our sat dish. I said we weren't interested. He claimed he save us money. I explained that we have no TV set, did not miss our TV set & so didn't need to save any money on TV. He backed away with a look on his face straight out of a horror film when they first see the monster... LOL

59 sliv_the_eli  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:40:41pm

re: #43 Girl with a Pearl Earring

An ABC journalist has also been "badly beaten" in Manama, Bahrain:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

A press badge is not a shield of invulnerability. But since thugs around the world have seen that reporting can be controlled why shouldn't they be expected to try a little control of journalists themselves?

Unfortunately, those of us in the U.S. and similar places which have a history of a relatively independent press assume that is the case throughout the world. In much of the world, and particularly in the theocracies and autocracies of the Middle East, the press is government controlled and acts as a propaganda arm of the government. Conversely, the governments themselves fully understand that Western media tends to be independent and report on what is actually happening. It is not surprising, therefore, that members of the Western media put themselves at risk of being attacked by some anti-government protestors who view them as government mouthpieces or by pro-government protestors who view them as a threat to the government.

60 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:40:55pm

Oh, Sarah, you're always good for a laugh...

In a speech in New York before a business group, the former Republican vice presidential nominee said she is going to "let people know who I am, what I stand for and what my record is" and said she couldn't rely on the "liberal-leaning press" to convey that to Americans.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:41:35pm

re: #54 freeditionus

Don't forget unrest in Iraq as well. Both the north and the south are on fire. In Bahrain, both Sunnis AND Shia are protesting against their ruler. Everybody is the middle east is united for the first time against injustice.

Iraq is not ready for any democracy the USA does not impose by force of arms

/

62 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:41:41pm

If an Orwellian police-stater like Qaddafi can't keep control, no dictator is safe.

You're next, Saudis. While you're contemplating your next move, might I direct your attention to some vacant residential property here in West Texas? We have a suitably arid climate, low living costs, and a petro-billionaire friendly business environment. See y'all soon!

63 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:41:59pm

Image: x999.jpg

Bahraini Foreign Minister Sheik Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa, during a press conference in Manama, Bahrain, Thursday, Feb. 17, 2011.

Another fatcat puppet state.

64 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:43:03pm

Image: 999x.jpg

Bahraini Foreign Minister Sheik Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa, left, and Qatar's Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr Al-Thani arrive at the Gulf Cooperation Council "GCC" meeting in Manama, Bahrain, Thursday, Feb. 17, 2011.

65 Fart Knocker  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:43:45pm

If anyone likes 2.5 Men, Big Bang Theory etc. Producer Chuck Lorre posts interesting things on the "vanity card" that flashes at the end of the show. Here was the one at the end of 2.5 Men on 14 Feb, gave me a chuckle.

CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #329
I exercise regularly. I eat moderate amounts of healthy food. I make sure to get plenty of rest. I see my doctor once a year and my dentist twice a year. I floss every night. I've had chest x–rays, cardio stress tests, EKG's and colonoscopies. I see a psychologist and have a variety of hobbies to reduce stress. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I don't have crazy, reckless sex with strangers.

If Charlie Sheen outlives me, I'm gonna be really pissed.

66 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:44:16pm

re: #64 Gus 802

Image: 999x.jpg

Bahraini Foreign Minister Sheik Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa, left, and Qatar's Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr Al-Thani arrive at the Gulf Cooperation Council "GCC" meeting in Manama, Bahrain, Thursday, Feb. 17, 2011.

"Would you like me to 'Supersize' that for you, Sir?"

67 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:44:18pm

Image: 999x.jpg

MANAMA, BAHRAIN - FEBRUARY 17: Ahmed Butaki embraces his slain brother Mohmoud Butaki at a hospital morgue on February 17, 2011 in Manama, Bahrain. Mohmoud Butaki was one of at least five people killed after police stormed a makeshift anti-government protester camp using batons and tear gas to clear demonstrators, resulting in fatalities and a large number of casualties. Protests have erupted against the absolute monarchy in Bahrain as anti-government turmoil continues to spread across the Middle East.

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:44:18pm

If Saudi Arabia falls, it could turn into a breeding ground for terrorists who fly planes into skyscrapers...

69 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:45:41pm

re: #65 rwdflynavy

If anyone likes 2.5 Men, Big Bang Theory etc. Producer Chuck Lorre posts interesting things on the "vanity card" that flashes at the end of the show. Here was the one at the end of 2.5 Men on 14 Feb, gave me a chuckle.

CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #329
I exercise regularly. I eat moderate amounts of healthy food. I make sure to get plenty of rest. I see my doctor once a year and my dentist twice a year. I floss every night. I've had chest x–rays, cardio stress tests, EKG's and colonoscopies. I see a psychologist and have a variety of hobbies to reduce stress. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I don't have crazy, reckless sex with strangers.

If Charlie Sheen outlives me, I'm gonna be really pissed.

Haha, my wife and I watch Big Bang all the time - and those CL Production notes at the end are hilarious!

70 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:46:28pm

re: #68 ralphieboy

If Saudi Arabia falls, it could turn into a breeding ground for terrorists who fly planes into skyscrapers...

Or worse, liberals...

71 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:46:41pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Palin complains the price of milk is too high, and rails about Michelle Obama's calls for breast pump equipment to get a tax break (and Obama's previous calls for more women to breast feed as a way to reduce obesity).

72 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:47:19pm

re: #68 ralphieboy

"it could turn into a breeding ground for terrorists who fly planes into skyscrapers..."

Didn't that happen already?

73 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:47:25pm

re: #68 ralphieboy

If Saudi Arabia falls, it could turn into a breeding ground for terrorists who fly planes into skyscrapers...

Ahhh...yeah, didn't that already happen? I fell like quoting something barn doors and horses about now for some reason I can't quite explain...

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74 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:47:29pm

re: #70 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or worse, liberals...

Or liberal Jihadists.

75 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:48:00pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Palin complains the price of milk is too high, and rails about Michelle Obama's calls for breast pump equipment to get a tax break (and Obama's previous calls for more women to breast feed as a way to reduce obesity).

HOW DARE THE GOVERMENT TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY!

...WAIT A SEC!

76 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:49:55pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Palin complains the price of milk is too high, and rails about Michelle Obama's calls for breast pump equipment to get a tax break (and Obama's previous calls for more women to breast feed as a way to reduce obesity).

Image: 20080514-3_p051408sc-0144-515h.jpg

Mrs. Laura Bush and Mrs. Aliza Olmert, spouse of Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, greet a young mother in the Breast Feeding Education Room during a visit to the Tipat Chalav-Gonenim Neighborhood Mother and Child Care Center in Jerusalem Wednesday, May 14, 2008. There are 30 similar centers throughout the city providing prenatal, postnatal and preventative care and advice on breastfeeding, nutrition, immunizations and disease screening. White House photo by Shealah Craighead

77 Slap  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:51:01pm

re: #65 rwdflynavy

The vanity cards are one of the best things about those shows! (I'm a 2.5 men fan -- Conchatta Ferrell absolutely cracks me up....)

He keeps an online archive of all of 'em --

Chuck Lorre Productions - Vanity Card Archive

I'm here to help....!

78 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:51:09pm

re: #72 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"it could turn into a breeding ground for terrorists who fly planes into skyscrapers..."

Didn't that happen already?

Only 15 of the 19 terrorists - NEXT TIME IT WILL BE ALL 19!!!

79 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:53:39pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, Sarah, you're always good for a laugh...

....."Time on the ground is very important. ... I know when I ran for VP I had exactly four days to prepare… [for] being on a national stage. Four days isn’t a whole lot of time to prepare. It’s not even enough time to pack a bag......

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

Thanks again Sen. McCain. What a joke.

80 recusancy  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:53:45pm

re: #54 freeditionus

Don't forget unrest in Iraq as well. Both the north and the south are on fire. In Bahrain, both Sunnis AND Shia are protesting against their ruler. Everybody is the middle east is united for the first time against injustice.

Oh wait! I thought we brought them democracy.

81 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:55:09pm

Speaking of mid-east unrest and attacks on reporters:

WH official: Obama calls Lara Logan after Egypt attack

A White House official says President Barack Obama has spoken with CBS reporter Lara Logan in the wake of the network’s announcement that she was brutally attacked in Egypt.

82 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:56:44pm

OT: back talking to Hospice about Dad, he has finally made his choice, he is refusing all further medications and treatment. The only question now is whether he lives long enough to get him transferred into the Hospice "end of life" home where they will keep him doped up to the eyeballs and let him pass comfortably or whether he dies in the hospital while still in discomfort.

I did get his primary at the hospital to sign and also witness Dad signing a D.N.R. order today, so no resuscitation and no ventilator at least. He has made it clear that he just wants to go now, his choice, I'm just glad he finally made it. (Still crying though)

83 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:56:48pm

re: #80 recusancy

Maybe Obama's Cairo Speech went over better with the masses in the Middle East than Midland, USA.

84 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:57:46pm

re: #80 recusancy

Oh wait! I thought we brought them democracy.

We did...

"Credit Obama, Not the Bush Administration, for Seeds of the Egyptian Revolution"

Neoconservative supporters of the war in Iraq are already claiming credit for the revolution in Egypt, calling it a victory for the Bush Administration’s so-called “freedom agenda.” But let’s be clear, the pro-democracy movement in Tahrir Square has much more in common with the grassroots, bottom-up spirit of the Obama campaign than the messianic, barrel-of-a-gun foreign policy pushed by George W. Bush.

[Link: www.thenation.com...]

85 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:58:20pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Palin complains the price of milk is too high, and rails about Michelle Obama's calls for breast pump equipment to get a tax break (and Obama's previous calls for more women to breast feed as a way to reduce obesity).

I wonder what her would be to make the price of it go down.

86 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 12:58:38pm

re: #85 Jadespring

pimf...what her plan...

87 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:01:04pm

re: #86 Jadespring

pimf...what her plan...

No plan. Just complaints. It's getting so damn old. I bet she was paid for that speech too.

88 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:01:58pm

re: #82 ausador

OT: back talking to Hospice about Dad, he has finally made his choice, he is refusing all further medications and treatment. The only question now is whether he lives long enough to get him transferred into the Hospice "end of life" home where they will keep him doped up to the eyeballs and let him pass comfortably or whether he dies in the hospital while still in discomfort.

I did get his primary at the hospital to sign and also witness Dad signing a D.N.R. order today, so no resuscitation and no ventilator at least. He has made it clear that he just wants to go now, his choice, I'm just glad he finally made it. (Still crying though)

He's the dad, he gets to say.

89 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:01:59pm

re: #72 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"it could turn into a breeding ground for terrorists who fly planes into skyscrapers..."

Didn't that happen already?

So I take it you're a Birther, since you posted this comment twice today?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

90 recusancy  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:02:09pm

re: #83 lawhawk

Maybe Obama's Cairo Speech went over better with the masses in the Middle East than Midland, USA.

It went over just fine with this Midlander.

91 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:02:22pm

re: #82 ausador

OT: back talking to Hospice about Dad, he has finally made his choice, he is refusing all further medications and treatment. The only question now is whether he lives long enough to get him transferred into the Hospice "end of life" home where they will keep him doped up to the eyeballs and let him pass comfortably or whether he dies in the hospital while still in discomfort.

I did get his primary at the hospital to sign and also witness Dad signing a D.N.R. order today, so no resuscitation and no ventilator at least. He has made it clear that he just wants to go now, his choice, I'm just glad he finally made it. (Still crying though)

Be Brave, soak up the time you have. My thoughts with you and your family.

92 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:02:31pm

As the most famous Republican on radio, Rush Limbaugh has made a name for himself by creating controversy. But how about calling teachers “parasites”? Or union workers part of an “anti-democracy” movement? That’s a bit much. This audio is from The Rush Limbaugh Show, broadcast Feb. 17, 2011.

i timed myself out of last night's discussion because i was losing my temper

the wave of anti worker violence being perpetrated by the republican party these days - without any reasonable hope of relief in the immediate future! - is too much for me to comment on without damage to my health

93 Big Steve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:03:02pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The phone has been ringing off the hook today which is a sign that business is picking up. Once call was from a telemarketer trying to sell some anti texting while driving thing. I was polite and let him do his thing and then told him I don't own a cell phone and wasn't interested. He got snotty and said, "why don't you want to save children from needless car accidents?". I told him I don't like children. There was an awkward silence and he hung up. Heh.

Years ago, lounging around in my PJ's at home on a weekend morning and the doorbell rang. It was a guy selling funeral plans door to door. I was in my late 20's and this was the farthest thing from my mind as far as investments go. So I politely told him "not interested" and as I was closing the door he replied sarcastically "when will you be interested, when you are dead and your kids have to pay for it!" I whipped that door back open and headed toward him and at that point he literally ran down my front sidewalk. They don't call me "Big Steve" for nothing and even I would be scared of me coming after me in my PJ's

95 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:04:40pm

re: #82 ausador

(((ausador)))

96 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:05:25pm

Speaking of desert lands known for their intolerance...is there anything that ISN'T fucked up about Arizona?

97 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:05:55pm

re: #92 engineer dog

As the most famous Republican on radio, Rush Limbaugh has made a name for himself by creating controversy. But how about calling teachers “parasites”? Or union workers part of an “anti-democracy” movement? That’s a bit much. This audio is from The Rush Limbaugh Show, broadcast Feb. 17, 2011.

i timed myself out of last night's discussion because i was losing my temper

the wave of anti worker violence being perpetrated by the republican party these days - without any reasonable hope of relief in the immediate future! - is too much for me to comment on without damage to my health

The U.S. is fascinating in that it's the only place I've ever heard of where massive numbers of people protest angrily against their own prosperity.

98 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:06:19pm

Remember when Newt appeared in Gore's global warming ads?

In 2008 Newt Gingrich appeared in an ad for wecansolveit.org, Al Gore's climate change organization that became Repower America. Now that climate change has no constituency in the Republican party he's changed his tune dramatically. This weekend at CPAC Gingrich called for the elimination of the EPA and the end of anti-pollution laws that limit coal mining and offshore drilling.

99 Big Steve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:07:08pm

re: #94 Gus 802

Green Bay Packers Sound Off Against Gov. Scott "Hosni" Walker

Million professional football players.....thats the union I want to belong to.

100 recusancy  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:08:02pm

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remember when Newt appeared in Gore's global warming ads?

Whoa I totally forgot about that.

101 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:08:27pm

re: #89 Charles

"So I take it you're a Birther, since you posted this comment twice today?"

No. And in case you don't understand the meaning of the word "no", it means no.

102 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:09:45pm

re: #101 Girl with a Pearl Earring

So you're saying that Bachmann should have asked the media what they've 'discovered' about Obama's birth certificate why, exactly?

103 recusancy  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:10:32pm

re: #99 Big Steve

Million professional football players...thats the union I want to belong to.

"We know that it is teamwork on and off the field that makes the Packers and Wisconsin great. As a publicly owned team we wouldn't have been able to win the Super Bowl without the support of our fans. It is the same dedication of our public workers every day that makes Wisconsin run. They are the teachers, nurses and child care workers who take care of us and our families. But now in an unprecedented political attack Governor Walker is trying to take away their right to have a voice and bargain at work. The right to negotiate wages and benefits is a fundamental underpinning of our middle class. When workers join together it serves as a check on corporate power and helps ALL workers by raising community standards. Wisconsin's long standing tradition of allowing public sector workers to have a voice on the job has worked for the state since the 1930s. It has created greater consistency in the relationship between labor and management and a shared approach to public work. These public workers are Wisconsin's champions every single day and we urge the Governor and the State Legislature to not take away their rights."

104 Gus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:10:41pm

BIAB

105 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:11:41pm

Over in Egypt, prosecutors have ordered the arrest of the former ruling party chief and three ministers from Hosni Mubarak's government, MENA reports. (via CNN)

106 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:11:51pm

re: #103 recusancy

The GBP just earned their rings with that statement, imo. Good for them.

107 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:12:22pm

re: #101 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"So I take it you're a Birther, since you posted this comment twice today?"

No. And in case you don't understand the meaning of the word "no", it means no.

I don't think taking a condescending tone with Charles is going to have the kind of effect you're seeking.

108 Big Steve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:12:33pm

re: #101 Girl with a Pearl Earring

wow......you are such a d-bag. Mind your manners.

109 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:12:56pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Something about founding fathers, truth, real Americans, faux feminists, one nation under God...
//

110 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:14:03pm

re: #107 darthstar

I don't think taking a condescending tone with Charles is going to have the kind of effect you're seeking.

Why ever would you think that?

///(gasp, snork, chorttle)

111 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:14:51pm

re: #107 darthstar

"I don't think taking a condescending tone with Charles is going to have the kind of effect you're seeking."

What "kind of effect" do you mean? I had no "effect" in mind.

112 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:15:36pm

re: #97 Fozzie Bear

The U.S. is fascinating in that it's the only place I've ever heard of where massive numbers of people protest angrily against their own prosperity.

Exactly. You took some flak recently for saying something along the lines of there being more successful propaganda in the US than anywhere else - of course there are countries with more extreme propaganda (e.g. North Korea), but in places such as that, people live under constant duress and are actively forbidden from hearing alternative viewpoints.

In the US, there's no such coercion, and there almost doesn't need to be - too many voters have been almost Pavlovian-conditioned to hate the things that help them and love the things that hurt them.

113 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:16:17pm

re: #108 Big Steve

"wow...you are such a d-bag. Mind your manners."

Why? I thought only bad girls had fun.

114 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:16:23pm

re: #110 ausador

Why ever would you think that?

///(gasp, snork, chorttle)

I've got an asshole employee who tries that kind of shit with me. I never let it bother me, but I document every instance. (He wants a promotion, believe it or not...thinks he's got leadership qualities) I do let him know that he needs to be a bit nicer to his fellow employees, but he doesn't seem to understand...hate is a strong emotion, apparently.

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:16:34pm

re: #96 darthstar

Speaking of desert lands known for their intolerance...is there anything that ISN'T fucked up about Arizona?

There are lots of nice things about Arizona, but there is almost nothing that is not fucked up about politics there. Don't forget, it is also a retirement destination for aging conservatives from all over America.

They come to to collect their Social Security, take advantage of medicare and complain about Big Government meddling...

116 iceweasel  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:17:10pm

yippie, a troll.

117 Big Steve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:17:11pm

re: #111 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"What kind of effect do you mean?".......well maybe the effect of trying to win an argument, something having a two year old "no" tantrum rarely does.

118 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:17:40pm

re: #115 ralphieboy

There are lots of nice things about Arizona, but there is almost nothing that is not fucked up about politics there. Don't forget, it is also a retirement destination for aging conservatives from all over America.

They come to to collect their Social Security, take advantage of medicare and complain about Big Government meddling...

In some ways, we are witnessing the result of massive numbers of people becoming senile at the same time. Eventually, the baby boomers will die, and this nightmare can end.

119 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:17:45pm

re: #116 iceweasel

yippie, a troll.

The flounce is strong with this one.

120 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:17:47pm

re: #111 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"I don't think taking a condescending tone with Charles is going to have the kind of effect you're seeking."

What "kind of effect" do you mean? I had no "effect" in mind.

You sound like a sock-puppet for one of our better known gadflies. It's okay to be stupid. But don't think playing stupid will get you very far.

121 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:19:04pm

re: #115 ralphieboy

There are lots of nice things about Arizona, but there is almost nothing that is not fucked up about politics there. Don't forget, it is also a retirement destination for aging conservatives from all over America.

They come to to collect their Social Security, take advantage of medicare and complain about Big Government meddling...

It has a lot of Canadian Snowbirds in the winter too. Don't think they have too much to do with politics though.

122 iceweasel  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:19:27pm

re: #119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The flounce is strong with this one.

I hate the passive-aggressive, drawn-out martyr-ish trolls, that's all.

123 RadicalModerate  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:20:17pm

re: #111 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Image: 2747500167_bce4698520.jpg

124 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:20:20pm

re: #122 iceweasel

I hate the passive-aggressive, drawn-out martyr-ish trolls, that's all.

They're like that in real life, too. Pain in the ass to deal with.

125 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:21:07pm

re: #116 iceweasel

Welcome to the party. I was just telling myself, "Someone right down iceweasel's alley." Lo and behold, you've arrived.

126 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:21:29pm

re: #122 iceweasel

I hate the passive-aggressive, drawn-out martyr-ish trolls, that's all.

Some don't know when their wyrd is upon them.

127 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:21:32pm

re: #122 iceweasel

I hate the passive-aggressive, drawn-out martyr-ish trolls, that's all.

You mean the GOP? lol

128 Fart Knocker  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:21:35pm

re: #111 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"I don't think taking a condescending tone with Charles is going to have the kind of effect you're seeking."

What "kind of effect" do you mean? I had no "effect" in mind.

Imagine you are a guest in Charles' house. Now, stop crapping on the rug.

129 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:21:55pm

re: #111 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"I don't think taking a condescending tone with Charles is going to have the kind of effect you're seeking."

What "kind of effect" do you mean? I had no "effect" in mind.

It generally pays to be respectful to someone when you are in their house, unless your aiming to be shown the door. Your in Charle's house right now, just trying to ask you to keep that in mind. You can disagree, I have, but you can't do it by ad hominen attacks, disrespect, and baiting, that pretty much always equals an instant (and deserved) ban.

Charles is willing to argue a point, but only if you are civil while doing it.

130 iceweasel  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:22:06pm

re: #127 Fozzie Bear

You mean the GOP? lol

Lieberman? Is that you? /

131 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:22:43pm

re: #125 theheat

Welcome to the party. I was just telling myself, "Someone right down iceweasel's alley." Lo and behold, you've arrived.

Isn't the first part there what Bruce Willis said after throwing the dead terrorist out the window onto the policeman's car in _Die Hard_?

132 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:22:43pm

re: #118 Fozzie Bear

In some ways, we are witnessing the result of massive numbers of people becoming senile at the same time. Eventually, the baby boomers will die, and this nightmare can end.

Youtube Video
133 iceweasel  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:22:55pm

re: #125 theheat

Welcome to the party. I was just telling myself, "Someone right down iceweasel's alley." Lo and behold, you've arrived.

hey heat! Been loving your comments lately on the pages. Awesome stuff.

134 Fart Knocker  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:24:11pm

re: #131 oaktree

Isn't the first part there what Bruce Willis said after throwing the dead terrorist out the window onto the policeman's car in _Die Hard_?

I'm reminded of this Jack Handy quote:
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. ..."

135 iceweasel  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:24:55pm

re: #134 rwdflynavy

I'm reminded of this Jack Handy quote:
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. ..."

In actual fact, that is where my nic comes from. :)

136 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:25:15pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Well, I just know how you dig on faux feminists that parrot the Sharpie Sisterhood's word salad talking points. (Like poison oak.)

You've had some awesome LGF pages in that vein lately, BTW.

137 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:25:59pm

re: #134 rwdflynavy

I'm reminded of this Jack Handy quote:
"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. ..."

Image: weasels.jpg

138 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:26:12pm

re: #82 ausador


{{{ausador}}} I'm so sorry about your dad. You will both be in my prayers.

139 Fart Knocker  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:26:18pm

re: #135 iceweasel

In actual fact, that is where my nic comes from. :)

I know ; )

FBV spilled the beans a while ago.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:27:37pm

re: #118 Fozzie Bear

In some ways, we are witnessing the result of massive numbers of people becoming senile at the same time. Eventually, the baby boomers will die, and this nightmare can end.

Arizona , when I came to live there in the 1970's, was a place with a lot of employment possibilities and a low cost of living, especially houssing. And taxes were relatively low.

Now that that housing and the accompanying real-estate/mortgage industry has collapsed, the employment prospects have dried up, tourism is down due to the slow economy and the image of Arizona as a dangerous backwater.

Real estate has gone down a bit, but rental housing is scarce because banks would rather just sit on foreclosed houses rather than take the write-down involved in selling them, and while taxes are still low, so is the standard of public services, social services and education.

And Sherrif Joe Arpaio is considering running for congress...

141 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:29:15pm

re: #137 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Image: weasels.jpg

That's just... awesome.

The headlines in the upper right corner are like gravy on the delicious meatloaf that is the cover image.

"SIN HAPPY VACATIONISTS ARE OVERRUNNING CAPE COD"
"HOOKED TO A KILLER SHARK"
"CAN WOMEN JUSTIFY THEIR NEED FOR EXTRA_MARITAL RELATIONS?"

bwahahahahaha

142 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:30:52pm

LOL...

"Après Le Caire et Bahrein, insurrection dans le Wisconsin"

[Link: clesnes.blog.lemonde.fr...]

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:30:53pm

re: #141 Fozzie Bear

That's just... awesome.

The headlines in the upper right corner are like gravy on the delicious meatloaf that is the cover image.

"SIN HAPPY VACATIONISTS ARE OVERRUNNING CAPE COD"
"HOOKED TO A KILLER SHARK"
"CAN WOMEN JUSTIFY THEIR NEED FOR EXTRA_MARITAL RELATIONS?"

bwahahahahaha

Sea weasels are lemmings that made it.

144 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:30:59pm

re: #96 darthstar

Speaking of desert lands known for their intolerance...is there anything that ISN'T fucked up about Arizona?

Love Sedona but have vowed not to go while Brewer is still gov.

145 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:31:10pm

re: #105 lawhawk

Over in Egypt, prosecutors have ordered the arrest of the former ruling party chief and three ministers from Hosni Mubarak's government, MENA reports. (via CNN)

not sure I would support reprisals at this point...seems a bit premature considering the social problems Egypt faces at the moment

146 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:31:13pm

Scott Walker....epic douche nozzle.

147 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:32:38pm

re: #140 ralphieboy

banks would rather just sit on foreclosed houses rather than take the write-down involved in selling them

There's a little more to it than that. Rehabbing, bankruptcy litigation, etc. all add many thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) to the costs lenders are faced with absorbing. Many lenders have entire departments dedicated to minimizing those costs, and establishing the point of loss they can take. In the case of credit unions, they need to walk a fine line between selling properties and how big of a hit the members can absorb.

Couple that with fewer buyers able to qualify, and there are a lot of houses banks are sitting on, and not necessarily for purely selfish reasons.

148 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:32:58pm

i wonder what it's gonna be like when all these middle easter countries run out of oil profits and water

149 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:34:03pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

i wonder what it's gonna be like when all these middle easter countries run out of oil profits and water

[Link: t0.gstatic.com...]

150 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:35:29pm

middle easter

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:35:48pm

re: #147 theheat

It was a bit oversimplified, but the effect is to push up rental costs.

There was a time when almost anybody who was willing to work could get on working construction starting at $4.50 an hour, and could actually live off that wage.

Those days are gone.

152 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:36:47pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

i wonder what it's gonna be like when all these middle easter countries run out of oil profits and water

by then the KSA will be the worlds leader in Moon vacations and tourist space travel....just a hunch

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:36:48pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

i wonder what it's gonna be like when all these middle easter countries run out of oil profits and water


Would any of those dictators be in power if not for the money they make selling us oil?

154 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:37:58pm

re: #141 Fozzie Bear

That's just... awesome.

The headlines in the upper right corner are like gravy on the delicious meatloaf that is the cover image.

"SIN HAPPY VACATIONISTS ARE OVERRUNNING CAPE COD"
"HOOKED TO A KILLER SHARK"
"CAN WOMEN JUSTIFY THEIR NEED FOR EXTRA_MARITAL RELATIONS?"

bwahahahahaha

Every cover was awesome like that.

Image: mans%20life%201957.jpg

Image: 30-1.jpg

Image: mensmagazines.jpg

155 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:38:12pm

re: #140 ralphieboy

My (brown, latina) wife told me the other day "Honey, there is no fucking way we are ever visiting Arizona. Ever. I'm not really into being locked up for looking like a possible Mexican."

It's also worth noting that her formerly EXTREMELY conservative family has decided that they are never voting for any Republican candidate, ever again, at any level. They know the GOP hates them for who they are. My wife's father, who loved Bush, said the last time we went to visit them "I'll never be a liberal, but i'll probably vote Democratic for the rest of my life. Those people hate us. They really hate us." Her father is 58 years old, and has never voted for any candidate, at any level, who wasn't a Republican, in his entire life.

This is the consolation I take during these times. The GOP is shitting on people, and it sucks to watch, but as time passes, all the people they hate are getting the message loud and clear.

156 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:38:45pm

re: #150 SpaceJesus

middle easter

Is that a saturday?

157 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:39:25pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

i wonder what it's gonna be like when all these middle easter countries run out of oil profits and water

I think they don't mind their populace leaving the country. Iran is so brutal on their protesters and very rarely stop them leaving Iran. In fact, they encourage it. Less population means less sharing. Conservation, baby!

158 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:40:33pm

re: #157 justaminute

I think they don't mind their populace leaving the country. Iran is so brutal on their protesters and very rarely stop them leaving Iran. In fact, they encourage it. Less population means less sharing. Conservation, baby!

Just blowing the froth off the porter...

159 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:41:51pm

Nothing says "winning strategy" and "permanent majority status" quite like shitting on the working class. Good plan, GOP.

160 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:42:18pm

re: #155 Fozzie Bear

If its any consolation to your father in law, the democrats can hardly be called liberal.

161 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:42:37pm

re: #158 ralphieboy

Just blowing the froth off the porter...

Thats what she said.

162 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:42:54pm

re: #159 Fozzie Bear

Nothing says "winning strategy" and "permanent majority status" quite like shitting on the working class. Good plan, GOP.


Trickle down, remember?

163 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:43:08pm

re: #151 ralphieboy

I think I made that in high school. Those days aren't just gone, they've been gone. Mayberry RFD is dead.

With prosperity comes increased prices and increased profits. But we're all supposed to go for that brass ring - make more and buy more - and if you're caught in the undertow, you become a casualty.

Wal-Mart didn't become the be-all end-all of the consumer world catering to people with an excess of money. Low and middle wage earners are the majority, and they want the most bang for their buck, even if it means buying cheap crap from China. The alternative is to work seven extra hours at your shit job you hate for an American made toaster. That is, if you can find one.

164 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:43:30pm

re: #160 Alexzander

If its any consolation to your father in law, the democrats can hardly be called liberal.

Well, as I said to him, the DNC is center-right, and the GOP is clownshit insane. There is no liberal political party in the US.

165 Slap  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:44:20pm

re: #162 ralphieboy

Trickle down, remember?

Oh, ugh -- the juxtaposition of "shitting on" and "trickle down" is a most unsavory image.....!!!!

166 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:44:55pm

re: #163 theheat

Nowadays it's working seven days a week just to make rent for the trailer park and basic repairs for the 1992 GMC pickup you cannot afford to replace...

167 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:45:17pm

re: #165 Slap

Oh, ugh -- the juxtaposition of "shitting on" and "trickle down" is a most unsavory image...!!!


Santorum.

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:45:34pm

re: #164 Fozzie Bear

Well, as I said to him, the DNC is center-right, and the GOP is clownshit insane. There is no liberal political party in the US.

Well, there is no liberal political party that has progressed beyond 'vanity publishing' status.

169 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:46:42pm

re: #165 Slap

Oh, ugh -- the juxtaposition of "shitting on" and "trickle down" is a most unsavory image...!!!

Just let the Santorum wash over you. mmmmmmmm

170 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:46:44pm

re: #153 ralphieboy

Would any of those dictators be in power if not for the money they make selling us oil?

of course...we don't buy all their oil by a long shot...I get your point, but historical blame for the rise of the system in the ME should be laid square at the feet of the Brits, who carved up the ME like a roast turkey

171 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:48:02pm

re: #167 ralphieboy

Santorum.

It explains why there was froth on the porter...

172 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:48:51pm

re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It explains why there was froth on the porter...

then he should be tipped accordingly

173 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:48:54pm

re: #153 ralphieboy


eh, maybe. this place has seen its fair share of despots over the centuries

174 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:49:36pm

re: #157 justaminute

I think they don't mind their populace leaving the country. Iran is so brutal on their protesters and very rarely stop them leaving Iran. In fact, they encourage it. Less population means less sharing. Conservation, baby!


This is what I'm wondering about. Who will take these millions?

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:50:49pm

re: #175 Alexzander

Good article in the NYTimes about Bahrain:

Sounds like modern and moderate might not be an apt description of the country.

177 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:50:50pm

re: #166 ralphieboy

The youngest vehicle I have at my disposal is 20 years old. Only Mr. Heat gets the new stuff, and it's because he has a long commute every day. I'm old and boring and haul hay and sacks of grain. My car smells like terrier and horse and old lattes.

I'm so used to driving old unexciting stuff, I wish I got pulled over for any reason at all. At the rate I'm going, I'd have to light my car on fire and drive through the middle of a daycare to get any state patrol love.

178 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:50:51pm

re: #174 SpaceJesus

This is what I'm wondering about. Who will take these millions?

AZ, Texas, CA and NM

179 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:51:18pm

re: #164 Fozzie Bear

Well, as I said to him, the DNC is center-right, and the GOP is clownshit insane. There is no liberal political party in the US.

Liberals maybe waiting for the day when the Republican party gets so small you can drown in a bathtub. Then the Democratic party can split into two. The right side of the party are just Republicans that don't want to associate with the Republican party at this time. Speaking as a liberal that would be nice.

180 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:51:26pm

re: #164 Fozzie Bear

Well, as I said to him, the DNC is center-right, and the GOP is clownshit insane. There is no liberal political party in the US.

Parenthetically, this is why I am very worried about the 2012 election. Actual liberals are increasingly pissed off at being totally unrepresented, and I see a very strong possibility that Obama will be flanked from the left, splitting part of Obama's vote off, thus handing it to President Crazypants. (whoever wins the GOP primary)

181 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:51:42pm

re: #178 albusteve


yeah, let me know when NM finds more water

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:53:02pm

re: #181 SpaceJesus

yeah, let me know when NM finds more water

They're bigging a secret (and long) tunnel to siphon it off the bottom of the Grand Canyon when Arizona isn't looking...

183 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:53:10pm

re: #179 justaminute

Liberals maybe waiting for the day when the Republican party gets so small you can drown in a bathtub. Then the Democratic party can split into two. The right side of the party are just Republicans that don't want to associate with the Republican party at this time. Speaking as a liberal that would be nice.

There is a very real danger the split may happen before the GOP manages to destroy itself completely, imo. See my post 180.

184 Alexzander  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:53:47pm

re: #176 oaktree

Sounds like modern and moderate might not be an apt description of the country.

Well, I think an unfortunate measure of 'modernity' is often how US friendly a country is with respect to business. On that scale, Bahrain was a strong ally.

185 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:54:19pm

re: #118 Fozzie Bear

In some ways, we are witnessing the result of massive numbers of people becoming senile at the same time. Eventually, the baby boomers will die, and this nightmare can end.

Get off my lawn, punk. And take that Wind-up kid with you.

186 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:54:45pm

re: #182 oaktree


hmm, i was thinking of an elaborate bucket system connected to lake winnepeg or something, but this could work too.

187 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:54:53pm

re: #174 SpaceJesus

This is what I'm wondering about. Who will take these millions?

They are going to Malaysia and Indonesia now. My husband's relatives have been given visas for Canada. But wanting to pack up and leave is not easy, you need money too.

188 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:55:15pm

re: #181 SpaceJesus

yeah, let me know when NM finds more water

Otero Mesa....have to give it to them

189 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:56:24pm

re: #183 Fozzie Bear

There is a very real danger the split may happen before the GOP manages to destroy itself completely, imo. See my post 180.

nah, non of that is gonna happen

190 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:58:12pm

re: #188 albusteve

Otero Mesa...have to give it to them

I have the distinct impression from visiting central Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico at various times is that literally *no one* likes the BLM.

191 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:58:47pm

re: #183 Fozzie Bear

There is a very real danger the split may happen before the GOP manages to destroy itself completely, imo. See my post 180.

All the liberal sites have been talking about this for some time. They can't find anyone they like to run against Obama. I think they are now concentrating on senators and congresspeople,

192 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 1:59:48pm

re: #182 oaktree

They're bigging a secret (and long) tunnel to siphon it off the bottom of the Grand Canyon when Arizona isn't looking...

California is almost literally doing that already. Lots of Colorado River water flows though canals and pumps and pipes.

193 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:00:15pm

re: #189 albusteve

nah, non of that is gonna happen

I'm serious. I know a lot of liberals, and frankly, many of them hate Obama almost as much as the GOP. They feel unrepresented, and betrayed. Many of them will just stay home in 2012, and have said as much.

2012 is far from a slam dunk for Obama. He just moved too far to the right from the platform he ran on in 2008, and it's going to mean low turnout on the left.

His "base" doesn't really like him anymore. Sure, lots of center-right to moderate voters like him, but what about the actual left? Look on liberal blogs some time. It isn't exactly a lovefest for Obama.

194 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:00:28pm

re: #183 Fozzie Bear

The GOP is a dying swan act. They can exist - even thrive - well over the edge of the cliff of insanity, because they have enough cheerleaders on board their train to make it seem like a comfortable place to exist.

We'll be bored with being screwed over before they finally kick it.

195 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:01:32pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Get off my lawn, punk. And take that Wind-up kid with you.

Hahahaha! Classic, my Brother.

196 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:01:55pm

A dramatic re-enactment of the Future of the GOP

Youtube Video
197 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:02:20pm

re: #194 theheat

The GOP is a dying swan act. They can exist - even thrive - well over the edge of the cliff of insanity, because they have enough cheerleaders on board their train to make it seem like a comfortable place to exist.

We'll be bored with being screwed over before they finally kick it.

They can prolong the inevitable by forcing Obama rightward, splitting him from his base. It seems to me that this is basically the strategy, and I wouldn't count on it not working.

198 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:02:24pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

When they see Huckabee or Palin or DeMint on the ticket, I think they'll stop pouting and vote for the least smelly candidate. The alternative is too unpalatable.

199 Girl with a Pearl Earring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:02:51pm

re: #180 Fozzie Bear

"I see a very strong possibility that Obama will be flanked from the left, splitting part of Obama's vote off, thus handing it to President Crazypants."

Well, I have to disagree. The GOP is split between those who support the Tea Party and those who support the GOP "establishment" and neither side is going to budge, IMO. I don't believe either flank can present a winning candidate which would hand the victory to Obama in 2012.

200 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:02:56pm

re: #190 oaktree

I have the distinct impression from visiting central Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico at various times is that literally *no one* likes the BLM.

most federal agencies with a mandate to 'manage' resources has a very spotty record...in fact it took decades to define 'manage' but in the end, it was the people, the entrepreneures that trashed NM....they still do

201 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:04:26pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Get off my lawn, punk. And take that Wind-up kid with you.

Heh. And I owe you an up-ding for picking up on the Aldo Nova quip.

C'mon folks, the guy was also the producer of a number of early Celine Dion albums, and Bon Jovi as well. If that's not a reason to blame someone for the destruction of American culture via Canada, what is?
;)

202 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:05:10pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

I'm serious. I know a lot of liberals, and frankly, many of them hate Obama almost as much as the GOP. They feel unrepresented, and betrayed. Many of them will just stay home in 2012, and have said as much.

2012 is far from a slam dunk for Obama. He just moved too far to the right from the platform he ran on in 2008, and it's going to mean low turnout on the left.

His "base" doesn't really like him anymore. Sure, lots of center-right to moderate voters like him, but what about the actual left? Look on liberal blogs some time. It isn't exactly a lovefest for Obama.

I might not vote for Obama, but I am absolutely certain to vote to crush whatever dipshit reactionary the GOP/TP runs.

203 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:05:10pm

re: #199 Girl with a Pearl Earring

"I see a very strong possibility that Obama will be flanked from the left, splitting part of Obama's vote off, thus handing it to President Crazypants."

Well, I have to disagree. The GOP is split between those who support the Tea Party and those who support the GOP "establishment" and neither side is going to budge, IMO. I don't believe either flank can present a winning candidate which would hand the victory to Obama in 2012.

They don't have to present a winning candidate. A liberal candidate that gets 6% of the vote could easily be enough to hand a win to the GOP.

204 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:05:43pm

re: #198 theheat

When they see Huckabee or Palin or DeMint on the ticket, I think they'll stop pouting and vote for the least smelly candidate. The alternative is too unpalatable.

Palin today:

"I am still thinking of leading this country. I am still thinking about it. I haven't made up my mind. We hired a chief of staff because Todd is getting tired of doing it for me." When asked who else she might envision at the top of the GOP ticket Palin responded, "No one is more qualified to multi-tasking and doing all the things you need to do as a President than a woman."

205 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:06:10pm

re: #200 albusteve

most federal agencies with a mandate to 'manage' resources has a very spotty record...in fact it took decades to define 'manage' but in the end, it was the people, the entrepreneures that trashed NM...they still do

So it might be a combination of ineptness, plus not quite doing what any particular side want consistently? For some they don't protect enough, for others they protect too much, and inbetween they have a bunch of regulations that many see as annoying bureaucracy at its best (in a negative sense)?

206 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:06:16pm

re: #199 Girl with a Pearl Earring

Can you explain what you mean by saying that Bachmann should have asked the media what they've found out about Obama's birth certificate? What is there to find? He was born in Hawaii. It's rather obvious.

207 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:07:33pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear

I think the antics of these Republican governors have made the Dems to scared to stay home now. Sometimes they say they just won't check the box in the presidential column. I know that they are not sending money to the Dem party and just choosing individual candidates to support or ActBlue.

208 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:07:41pm

Leonidas Hoplite is on a downding spree. Is coming closer to the end of this thread. The only upding went to GwaPE.

209 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:08:08pm

re: #200 albusteve

Managing resources usually means putting a for sale sign on the property and selling to the person who'll pay the most money. Then let them manage it, develop it, trash it, exploit it, whatever. The BLM leases land to all kinds of ventures, and a lot of Real American™ ranchers bank on grazing their livestock on it. (A less welfare-y name for welfare, they can live with.)

People whine about rural areas and farmland turning into housing developments. Well, it isn't as if the land was confiscated (usually!). Somebody - some Real American™ - sold it to the highest bidder, and whoever bought it decided its fate.

210 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:08:09pm

OT: Remote Controlled Flying Shark

Youtube Video
211 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:08:57pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

/facepalm.

Yes, because simply having a vagina makes you qualified. Lets flip that around for a second, and see how it fits. I wonder how she would react if someone told her she is unqualified due to her gender.

Genitalia doesn't determine personality traits other than perhaps sexual orientation. But not even all the time. Just most of the time.

212 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:09:21pm

You would think that those who worry about not liberal enough would remember 2000. Not saying G.W Bush is as insane as Palin, Huckabee, or the others but you would think that would convince them. I understand what Fozzie means though. Guess it's why it amuses me why the right is convinced that Obama is a Socialist when there's doubt whether he's even so much a liberal.

213 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:10:03pm

re: #205 oaktree

So it might be a combination of ineptness, plus not quite doing what any particular side want consistently? For some they don't protect enough, for others they protect too much, and inbetween they have a bunch of regulations that many see as annoying bureaucracy at its best (in a negative sense)?

I guess i'd agree with that...Otero Mesa is a classic example of profiteers going against preservationists...along with all the NG down there is a vast reservoir of clean water

214 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:10:19pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

HAHAHA that's awesome! I want one.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:11:34pm

re: #214 Fozzie Bear

HAHAHA that's awesome! I want one.

Next will be the remote-control bi-planes carrying ferrets, and used to divebomb intruders.

216 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:11:41pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

Leonidas Hoplite is on a downding spree. Is coming closer to the end of this thread. The only upding went to GwaPE.

He's just pissy that one of th guys from the Sacred Band of Thebes turned him down for a date.

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:12:51pm

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's just pissy that one of th guys from the Sacred Band of Thebes turned him down for a date.

Is the Sacred Band of Thebes Queen?

;)

218 Slap  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:13:17pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

Yeah, I saw that in the Spy.

Are we witnessing a tag-team flounce? Bi-postal behaviour?

Odd.

219 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:13:22pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

OT: Remote Controlled Flying Shark


[Video]

I suspect an epic lolcat video is being shot and edited somewhere soon.

220 webevintage  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:13:25pm

re: #193 Fozzie Bear


His "base" doesn't really like him anymore. Sure, lots of center-right to moderate voters like him, but what about the actual left? Look on liberal blogs some time. It isn't exactly a lovefest for Obama.


hahahahahaha

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:13:45pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

Palin today:

"...multi-tasking and all the other things you need to do as president..."

Name a few, Sarah...

222 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:13:47pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea

"I am still thinking of leading this country [into theocracy]. I am still thinking about it [because I think a lot of thoughts when I'm thinking about things important to Real Americans™]. I haven't made up my mind [I don't have the necessary ingredient]. We hired a chief of staff because Todd is getting tired of doing it for me [meet my bitch, Todd]." When asked who else she might envision at the top of the GOP ticket Palin responded, "No one is more qualified to multi-tasking and doing all the things you need to do as a President than a woman [because we have vaginas and don't abort our babies and God loves us more than liberals who abort their babies and don't care about America and this proves how strong Republican women really are because we don't need free breast pumps to raise upstanding young Christians that don't have sex before marriage]."

223 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:14:02pm

re: #209 theheat

Managing resources usually means putting a for sale sign on the property and selling to the person who'll pay the most money. Then let them manage it, develop it, trash it, exploit it, whatever. The BLM leases land to all kinds of ventures, and a lot of Real American™ ranchers bank on grazing their livestock on it. (A less welfare-y name for welfare, they can live with.)

People whine about rural areas and farmland turning into housing developments. Well, it isn't as if the land was confiscated (usually!). Somebody - some Real American™ - sold it to the highest bidder, and whoever bought it decided its fate.

in the Sangrias of northern NM almost all the land that ended up in public hands was stolen from the Hispanios...there have been several books written to try and explain how it went down....so in many places there is the underlying, and true notion, that the feds never had a right to the land anyway....classic stuff, the Pueblos got a much better deal from the feds than the Hispanios ever did

224 harlequinade  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:14:24pm

re: #215 oaktree

Next will be the remote-control bi-planes carrying ferrets, and used to divebomb intruders.

Win :D

225 iossarian  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:14:42pm

re: #221 ralphieboy

"...multi-tasking and all the other things you need to do as president..."

Name a few, Sarah...

Huntin', shootin', quittin'.

226 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:14:48pm

re: #214 Fozzie Bear

HAHAHA that's awesome! I want one.

I think he says they're going to retail for 30-40 bucks. nice!

227 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:15:09pm

re: #223 albusteve

They're brown and stood in the way of the Great American Dream. What, do you hate America now? Sheesh.
//

228 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:15:23pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

Leonidas Hoplite is on a downding spree. Is coming closer to the end of this thread. The only upding went to GwaPE.

Leo's riding a rocket sled to disdainistan.

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:16:07pm

re: #223 albusteve

in the Sangrias of northern NM almost all the land that ended up in public hands was stolen from the Hispanios...there have been several books written to try and explain how it went down...so in many places there is the underlying, and true notion, that the feds never had a right to the land anyway...classic stuff, the Pueblos got a much better deal from the feds than the Hispanios ever did


Remember The Milagro Beanfield War?

230 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:17:51pm

re: #229 ralphieboy

Remember The Milagro Beanfield War?

yes, exactly....it was filmed in the heart of the country I'm referring to...the Trunchas Land Grant...a sad tale of corruption and inhumanity....nobody cares anymore

231 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:17:58pm

re: #229 ralphieboy

Remember The Milagro Beanfield War?

Fought with gas!

232 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:18:25pm

re: #204 Stanley Sea


"I am still thinking of leading this country...."

I thought Jim DeMint already established that Presidents don't lead...

she needs to get that sorted out soon before whe buys a whole new wardrobe for nothing...

233 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:18:36pm

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's just pissy that one of th guys from the Sacred Band of Thebes turned him down for a date.

There's a little red minus sign in your future, buster.

234 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:18:40pm

re: #224 harlequinade

Win :D

I can not claim originality for the general idea:

[Link: kol.coldfront.net...]

235 Slap  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:18:50pm

re: #228 Ericus58

Ooops, looks like I got the last one for this visit.

By now, they're gettin' kinda stale, with a kind of aparagus-y aroma....

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:19:48pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

You would think that those who worry about not liberal enough would remember 2000. Not saying G.W Bush is as insane as Palin, Huckabee, or the others but you would think that would convince them. I understand what Fozzie means though. Guess it's why it amuses me why the right is convinced that Obama is a Socialist when there's doubt whether he's even so much a liberal.

Well, look at the crap with Logan. Jim Hoft screaming about how she's a liberal, and then Nir Rosen screaming about how she's a warmonger.

237 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:19:51pm

RIDE THE ROCKET SLED!!!

WHEEEEEEEEE!

CRASH

238 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:19:54pm

re: #225 iossarian

Huntin', shootin', quittin'.


Her quitting as governor for no real good reason, sure says a lot about her multi-tasking and job skills. She is so good at it she multi-tasked herself right out of office.

239 Slap  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:20:30pm

re: #228 Ericus58

Upding for "disdainistan"....!

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:20:54pm

Have a good evening folks. Off to a project-closing happy hour, and then time to pack for my vacation. Just a weekend in Tampa Bay, but it's not here.

:)

241 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:21:39pm

re: #238 Jadespring

Her quitting as governor for no real good reason, sure says a lot about her multi-tasking and job skills. She is so good at it she multi-tasked herself right out of office.

and she shoots wolves out of helicopters!...oh, the shame is simply endless, isn't it?

242 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:22:48pm

re: #241 albusteve

and she shoots wolves out of helicopters!...oh, the shame is simply endless, isn't it?

Well the wolves are one thing but it still puzzles me how so many people think that quitting like she did is no big deal.

243 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:22:49pm

re: #241 albusteve

She shoots caribou for the camera, also. Such diversity.

244 Ericus58  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:06pm

Gotta go myself.
Take care all.

245 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:26pm

re: #241 albusteve

and she shoots wolves out of helicopters!...oh, the shame is simply endless, isn't it?

Well, she would, but someone else zeroed the rifle for her.

246 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:38pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, look at the crap with Logan. Jim Hoft screaming about how she's a liberal, and then Nir Rosen screaming about how she's a warmonger.

Yep, it's ridiculously absurd isn't it? I'm a believer in the circular political spectrum when push comes to shove. Far left, far right may hate each other's guts but they have more in common than they think.

247 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:39pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, look at the crap with Logan. Jim Hoft screaming about how she's a liberal, and then Nir Rosen screaming about how she's a warmonger.

Yep, that's exactly my point. Just because the right has flipped out and declared Obama to be to the left of Stalin doesn't make it so. He's a centrist, and actual hardcore lefties can't stand him. They see him as a sell-out, and worse.

248 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:46pm

re: #243 theheat

She shoots doped up, domesticated caribou for the camera, also. Such diversity.

If we're being completely honest.

249 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:53pm

re: #243 theheat

She shoots caribou for the camera, also. Such diversity.

Clubs a halibut on the Tee Vee.

250 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:23:53pm

re: #243 theheat

She shoots caribou for the camera, also. Such diversity.

There is no evidence she actually did that.

251 albusteve  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:24:50pm

re: #242 Jadespring

Well the wolves are one thing but it still puzzles me how so many people think that quitting like she did is no big deal.

I think she is no big deal...amazing eh?

252 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:24:53pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There is no evidence she actually did that.

There are lots of excuses - but nothing hides her trigger flinch.

253 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:25:32pm

re: #250 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Catch the next episode of Sarah Palin's Alaska, where she and the ghost of Ronald Reagan meet Dick Cheney for some of the finest canned bird hunts West of the Rockies.
//

254 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:25:46pm

On a serious note re: Palin, how do you sell yourself as a successful executive when you quit half way through your 1st term to become a right wing media star basically? If I were her opponents who actually served out their terms, i.e. Huckabee and Romney, I'd hammer her at that.I'm not fond of either guy but at least they didn't quit on their states.

255 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:26:13pm

re: #252 darthstar

There are lots of excuses - but nothing hides her trigger flinch.

Yeah, I notice that. I take my gun shooting maybe once every six months, and I don't think I even have any urge to flinch left when firing it. I am far from a seasoned marksman. Why does she still grimace when she shoots?

256 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:26:44pm

OH LOL,

Palin Proclaimed Oct. 2007 "Breastfeeding Awareness Month"; [Link: bit.ly...]

257 Kragar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:26:50pm

re: #252 darthstar

There are lots of excuses - but nothing hides her trigger flinch.

A good editor can go a long way.

258 Stanghazi  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:27:35pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

OH LOL,

Palin Proclaimed Oct. 2007 "Breastfeeding Awareness Month"; [Link: bit.ly...]

But again, her job as Gov. didn't count.

259 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:27:52pm

re: #243 theheat

She shoots caribou for the camera, also. Such diversity.

Yes and I'm sure there will be lots of opportunity in the Presidents office to make use of that skill.

You know I'm a really good shot with a rifle. First time I ever shot one I hit the the target dead on and only missed once after that. Was told I should get into competition at one time.

I think I should be PM now.

260 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:28:31pm

That's why no brave Republicans have declared they are running for president yet. They are waiting to see if Sarah P. will declare. She is not going to run but it's keeping them all tied up in knots. It's funny.

261 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:28:41pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

OH LOL,

Palin Proclaimed Oct. 2007 "Breastfeeding Awareness Month"; [Link: bit.ly...]

Why is she spending her time making digs at the First Lady? I don't recall any candidate making digs at Laura Bush?

262 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:30:44pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Because without being aware of good godly women's love of breastfeeding, how would women know about breastfeeding for, say, the last few thousand years?

When is Republican sponsored Birth Control month? Having the litters is easy. Been doing that thousands of years, too.

263 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:30:55pm

The funng thing to me was that people on the right like Limbaugh who for years have mocked feminists as "feminiazis" suddenly became all concerned when Mama Grizzly got criticized. Any left wing critic of Palin was sexist or a hypocrite. I still remember Obama being called a sexist because he said the old saying about lipstick on a pig in regards to Palin and the right wing clowns said "He called her a pig!"

264 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:31:02pm

re: #258 Stanley Sea

But again, her job as Gov. didn't count.

Obama made her do it.

265 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:32:02pm

re: #263 HappyWarrior

Pigs are smart. That's an insult to pigs.

266 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:32:06pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Why is she spending her time making digs at the First Lady? I don't recall any candidate making digs at Laura Bush?

Not only that, but the subject is a bizarre choice to attack someone on the basis of.

"Fuck that, we don't want to be healthy! And breast feeding is bad! Fuck babies, what about me?!"

Attacking Michelle Obama just makes the attackers look retarded, because M.O. is not only extremely popular (far more so than her husband) but she's not even remotely partisan in the things she advocates. I mean, breast feeding? Really? They want to pick a fight over that?

267 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:32:56pm

re: #266 Fozzie Bear

Not only that, but the subject is a bizarre choice to attack someone on the basis of.

"Fuck that, we don't want to be healthy! And breast feeding is bad! Fuck babies, what about me?!"

Attacking Michelle Obama just makes the attackers look retarded, because M.O. is not only extremely popular (far more so than her husband) but she's not even remotely partisan in the things she advocates. I mean, breast feeding? Really? They want to pick a fight over that?

But milk is too expensive!

268 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:34:01pm

re: #267 Jadespring

But milk is too expensive!

So they attack the woman who wants a tax break (i thought the GOP fucking loves tax breaks) on the mechanisms necessary to bottle and store a FREE source of milk?

It just doesn't make any sense to me. None.

269 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:34:21pm

re: #262 theheat

Because without being aware of good godly women's love of breastfeeding, how would women know about breastfeeding for, say, the last few thousand years?

When is Republican sponsored Birth Control month? Having the litters is easy. Been doing that thousands of years, too.

Well you see breast feeding is a natural form of birth control. Birth control is bad ergo breast feeding bad.

///

270 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:34:29pm

re: #266 Fozzie Bear

Not only that, but the subject is a bizarre choice to attack someone on the basis of.

"Fuck that, we don't want to be healthy! And breast feeding is bad! Fuck babies, what about me?!"

Attacking Michelle Obama just makes the attackers look retarded, because M.O. is not only extremely popular (far more so than her husband) but she's not even remotely partisan in the things she advocates. I mean, breast feeding? Really? They want to pick a fight over that?


Well do remember they have attacked her for promoting healthy eating amongst children. But yeah it's a ridiculously stupid thing to attack her on. But hey if they want to make themselves look like jackasses, they can be my guest.

271 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:35:18pm

re: #265 theheat

Pigs are smart. That's an insult to pigs.

Heh, you know Churchill had a nice quote on pigs:
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down at us. But pigs they treat us as equals."

272 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:35:55pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Heh, you know Churchill had a nice quote on pigs:
"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down at us. But pigs they treat us as equals."

Churchill was such a fascinating dude.

273 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:36:07pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Laura Bush + Literacy = Good. Michelle Obama + Healthy = Bad. We wouldn't want a smart AND healthy nation. Nossir.

274 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:36:12pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

OH LOL,

Palin Proclaimed Oct. 2007 "Breastfeeding Awareness Month"; [Link: bit.ly...]

Breastfeeding was one of those basic mothering skills that was passed down to women by members of the family or the clan. It is not a basic instinctive thing, although the basic equipment and reflexes are there, it has to be learned in order to be effective.

As it died out in the 2nd has of the XXth century with the advent of bottles and formula, a lot of women who would like to breastfeed need basic assistance on how to go about it.

275 Jimmah  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:37:22pm

re: #104 Gus 802

BIAB

Leonidas Hoplite downdinged this comment. Just sayin'.

276 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:38:01pm

re: #274 ralphieboy

a lot of women who would like to breastfeed need basic assistance on how to go about it.

Government assistance? Ruh roh.

277 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:38:07pm

Is Similac a major GOP donor or something? That's all I can think of. I just don't get it.

278 justaminute  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:38:36pm

I thought I would mention to you that our prices at the restaurant for vegetables have skyrocketed. Some veggies that were $17 a box are now $52 a box. Their excuse is a freeze in Mexico. We are working on our menu to raise prices this weekend.

279 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:38:39pm

re: #275 Jimmah

Leonidas Hoplite downdinged this comment. Just sayin'.

HOW DARE HE BE BACK IN A BIT?!?! FUCK HIM!!!

280 Obdicut  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:38:49pm

re: #275 Jimmah

Looks like he downdinged all of Gus's comments.

Obsession.

281 darthstar  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:39:13pm

re: #273 theheat

Laura Bush + Literacy = Good. Michelle Obama + Healthy = Bad. We wouldn't want a smart AND healthy nation. Nossir.

That's only because Laura Bush wasn't trying to destroy the manufactured sugar industry...and a summer vacation of TV could undo any damage she did to the networks by encouraging reading.

282 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:39:47pm

re: #272 Fozzie Bear

Churchill was such a fascinating dude.

I love his way with the English language. I think he was speaking of Clement Attlee, his successor as PM here but he said this "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." I've always loved that one.

283 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:39:50pm

re: #280 Obdicut

Sounds like a one way ticket to the ass end of cyberspace. At least he'll have company.

284 Jimmah  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:40:15pm

re: #279 Fozzie Bear

HOW DARE HE BE BACK IN A BIT?!?! FUCK HIM!!!

LOL

The curse of the bitter dinger.

285 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:41:18pm

re: #268 Fozzie Bear

So they attack the woman who wants a tax break (i thought the GOP fucking loves tax breaks) on the mechanisms necessary to bottle and store a FREE source of milk?

It just doesn't make any sense to me. None.

Well the there is a contingent according to some comments I've read that feels that a tax break or the illusion they're under that the gov't paying for it is just another step in the liberal/socialist/commie war on the family. You see breast pumps are mostly used by women who work and aren't at home, so the gov't promoting them this way means they are promoting women working and not staying home with their kids which is the way it should be. Women working = family destruction which is one of the reasons that America is in the state that it's in.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:41:45pm

re: #276 theheat

Government assistance? Ruh roh.

My ex was a La Leche League breastfeeding counsellor.

Don't necessarily need the government involved, just a society that accepts breastfeeding as a health, normal and even desireable thing. Right now, that is not necessarily the case.

287 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:43:09pm

re: #285 Jadespring

Well the there is a contingent according to some comments I've read that feels that a tax break or the illusion they're under that the gov't paying for it is just another step in the liberal/socialist/commie war on the family. You see breast pumps are mostly used by women who work and aren't at home, so the gov't promoting them this way means they are promoting women working and not staying home with their kids which is the way it should be. Women working = family destruction which is one of the reasons that America is in the state that it's in.

To sum it up more conciely: Nipples are Evil. That's why we cannot show them on television.

288 compound idaho  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:43:32pm

re: #260 justaminute

That's why no brave Republicans have declared they are running for president yet. They are waiting to see if Sarah P. will declare. She is not going to run but it's keeping them all tied up in knots. It's funny.

I do not think she will run. I suspect even she knows she cannot win. To run and come up short would likely end her influence in the party. She has a pretty good thing going right now. She must realize that.

In other news from AK, the governor says the FL court ruling is the law of the land and AK will not implement Obamacare.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

289 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:43:41pm

I think it's just another excuse to attack President Obama through attacking his wife. It's sad really. I don't remember any Democrat attacking Laura Bush's literacy program at all and if they did, I'd condemn that immediately. Wasn't a fan at all of Mrs. Bush's husbands politics but she seemed to have her heart in the right place. Her daughters too. Jenna Bush especially.

290 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:44:06pm

re: #287 ralphieboy

To sum it up more conciely: Nipples are Evil. That's why we cannot show them on television.

Well shit, then I guess I love evil. Who knew?

291 Jadespring  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:45:53pm

re: #278 justaminute

I thought I would mention to you that our prices at the restaurant for vegetables have skyrocketed. Some veggies that were $17 a box are now $52 a box. Their excuse is a freeze in Mexico. We are working on our menu to raise prices this weekend.

I've noticed over the past month a significant rise in my food bills. I don't pay attention to specific prices but I generally buy the same things all the time and know the general total amount I pay at checkout. It's been shocking a couple of times to the point that I've gone over my receipts to see if I was double charged on things. One average my total bills are about 10 to 15 dollars more then they were a few months ago.

I do know a few specific things that have gone up. Dogfood has gone up over two dollars a bag and chicken feed has gone up over three dollars a bag.

292 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:46:43pm

re: #290 Fozzie Bear

Well shit, then I guess I love evil. Who knew?

Perhaps you were raised on it from birth...

293 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:48:22pm

re: #285 Jadespring

I didn't do it for long because, yes, I returned to work part time. Little Heat is about 6'2". Obviously stunted. Irreparably damaged. Mommy issues.

294 theheat  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:50:33pm

re: #291 Jadespring

No shit. A bag of the good dogfood costs way more than a bigger bag of good horse feed. I have one expensive ten pound terrier. And I can't even ride her.

295 webevintage  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:51:49pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Why is she spending her time making digs at the First Lady? I don't recall any candidate making digs at Laura Bush?

because Laura was white....

296 compound idaho  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:52:23pm

re: #290 Fozzie Bear

Well shit, then I guess I love evil. Who knew?


This is another case clearly explained by evolution. As it turns out, some of our male ancestors actually had large breasts, but they sat around in the cave all day and played with themselves, never brought home the bacon, and never procreated. Therefor the large breasted male quickly exited the gene pool.

297 Slap  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 2:53:38pm

re: #284 Jimmah

LOL

The curse of the bitter dinger.

Wasn't that a Sherlock Holmes story....?

298 tigger2005  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 3:17:54pm

re: #118 Fozzie Bear

In some ways, we are witnessing the result of massive numbers of people becoming senile at the same time. Eventually, the baby boomers will die, and this nightmare can end.

I thought the baby boomers were supposed to change the world...I guess the "flower power" Age of Aquarius generation was something of a mirage. The hippies, Woodstock, and the Beatles got all the attention, but most of the baby boomers grew up to be more or less like their parents...if not even MORE conservative.

299 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 6:53:16pm

re: #82 ausador

Prayers for you and for him.
Hang in there.

300 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 9:22:43pm

re: #82 ausador

OT: back talking to Hospice about Dad, he has finally made his choice, he is refusing all further medications and treatment. The only question now is whether he lives long enough to get him transferred into the Hospice "end of life" home where they will keep him doped up to the eyeballs and let him pass comfortably or whether he dies in the hospital while still in discomfort.

I did get his primary at the hospital to sign and also witness Dad signing a D.N.R. order today, so no resuscitation and no ventilator at least. He has made it clear that he just wants to go now, his choice, I'm just glad he finally made it. (Still crying though)

Hang in there, bro. When he goes, it will hurt like hell for a while, then you'll feel relieved, then guilty about feeling relieved. Finally, you'll get over the (undeserved) guilt.

301 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 9:28:41pm

re: #96 darthstar

Speaking of desert lands known for their intolerance...is there anything that ISN'T fucked up about Arizona?

The Grand Canyon
The 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks
U of A basketball
Gabrielle Giffords
John Kyl retiring
Larry Fitzgerald

302 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 9:31:34pm

re: #118 Fozzie Bear

In some ways, we are witnessing the result of massive numbers of people becoming senile at the same time. Eventually, the baby boomers will die, and this nightmare can end.

Not all baby boomers are senile. Uh, what were you saying?

re: #120 darthstar

You sound like a sock-puppet for one of our better known gadflies. It's okay to be stupid. But don't think playing stupid will get you very far.

What makes you think he/she/it is playing?

re: #131 oaktree

Isn't the first part there what Bruce Willis said after throwing the dead terrorist out the window onto the policeman's car in _Die Hard_?

"Welcome to the party, pal!"

303 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Feb 17, 2011 9:40:05pm

re: #170 albusteve

of course...we don't buy all their oil by a long shot...I get your point, but historical blame for the rise of the system in the ME should be laid square at the feet of the Brits, who carved up the ME like a roast turkey

And the French (post-WWI).re: #193 Fozzie Bear

I'm serious. I know a lot of liberals, and frankly, many of them hate Obama almost as much as the GOP. They feel unrepresented, and betrayed. Many of them will just stay home in 2012, and have said as much.

2012 is far from a slam dunk for Obama. He just moved too far to the right from the platform he ran on in 2008, and it's going to mean low turnout on the left.

His "base" doesn't really like him anymore. Sure, lots of center-right to moderate voters like him, but what about the actual left? Look on liberal blogs some time. It isn't exactly a lovefest for Obama.

The left, like its counterparts on the right, never likes it when one of their own gets elected and actually has to be pragmatic. They value orthodoxy over results--Not only must they get what they want, but it must be pure and pristine.

The dissatisfied Left and Right, like the poor, will always be with us.


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