In addition to their attempt to destroy Planned Parenthood’s funding, the Republican Party had other important items on the agenda today — such as voting to continue federal funding for NASCAR teams.
(h/t Decatur Deb.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:18:53pm |
It's almost like the GOP is trying to satirize themselves
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:20:22pm |
HOORAY FOR WHITE AMERICA! Today is a great day for all red necks who wants to throughly control the coloreds, uppity women and seeing people drive in circles for hours on end.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:21:29pm |
re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
HOORAY FOR WHITE AMERICA! Today is a great day for all red necks who wants to throughly control the coloreds, uppity women and seeing people drive in circles for hours on end.
...with a noose attached to the back of the car.
Seriously, that was a fax to a rep who opposed it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:22:01pm |
We got a federally sponsored Dirt Track Date!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:22:20pm |
re: #6 iceweasel
...with a noose attached to the back of the car.
Seriously, that was a fax to a rep who opposed it.
Yep and the lovely slogan: Death to all Marxists foreign and domestic.
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:22:40pm |
The important thing to remember is that NO FEDERAL funds are used by PP to perform abortions because of the Hyde amendment so this amendment from Pence is only about de-funding affordable health care for women.
ALL WOMEN.
Seriously, I'm a bit shocked to find out that NASCAR gets any Federal Funds.
WTF?
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:24:13pm |
re: #9 HappyWarrior
Yep and the lovely slogan: Death to all Marxists foreign and domestic.
Anyone - even fellow Republicans - to the left of Bátshit Crazy are now the enemy to be eliminated with extreme prejudice
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:25:52pm |
Dem Rep Receives Threat Over NASCAR Proposal
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
EXTREMELY offensive link, above.
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dannyhiggs Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:26:07pm |
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:26:09pm |
re: #10 webevintage
The important thing to remember is that NO FEDERAL funds are used by PP to perform abortions because of the Hyde amendment so this amendment from Pence is only about de-funding affordable health care for women.
ALL WOMEN.Seriously, I'm a bit shocked to find out that NASCAR gets any Federal Funds.
WTF?
Well to be fair, it's not direct NASCAR funding. It's funding that the military uses to sponsor cars and drivers in the races as part of a recruitment and awareness strategy.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:26:16pm |
re: #10 webevintage
The important thing to remember is that NO FEDERAL funds are used by PP to perform abortions because of the Hyde amendment so this amendment from Pence is only about de-funding affordable health care for women.
ALL WOMEN.Seriously, I'm a bit shocked to find out that NASCAR gets any Federal Funds.
WTF?
Army, Navy AF sponsor teams as a recruiting effort. About $7 million.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:26:29pm |
re: #10 webevintage
The important thing to remember is that NO FEDERAL funds are used by PP to perform abortions because of the Hyde amendment so this amendment from Pence is only about de-funding affordable health care for women.
ALL WOMEN.Seriously, I'm a bit shocked to find out that NASCAR gets any Federal Funds.
WTF?
Driving in circles was what the Founding Fathers fought the British for.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:27:32pm |
The Virginia Pilot article seems to have rotated. Here's the WSJ on it:
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:27:39pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
Federal money for Planned Parenthood does not go towards abortions. It's not allowed.
Planned Parenthood IS NOT just about abortions.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:27:55pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
You have no idea what Planned Parenthood is about. Save it until you do some research.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:28:03pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
Did you see where webvintage posted that federally funded abortion is already banned via the Hyde Amendment? I myself am against abortion but Planned Parenthood provides more than just abortions. It provides cancer checks and other health services.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:28:05pm |
re: #12 iceweasel
Dem Rep Receives Threat Over NASCAR Proposal
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
EXTREMELY offensive link, above.
Why does the sender hate Veterans?
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Ericus58 Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:28:19pm |
"A longtime anti-abortion crusader, Pence has three times previously tried to cut off legislative funding, called Title X, for any group that provides abortions.
The money cannot be used to pay for abortions, and Pence has not argued that Planned Parenthood has used the funds to do so.
But he argues that cutting off support for millions of women’s health clinics would cut off their ability to perform the procedure."
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]
Well, he in his own words admits to knowing that this will cut the ability of women to have health care.
Fucktard.
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Achilles Tang Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:28:20pm |
re: #12 iceweasel
Dem Rep Receives Threat Over NASCAR Proposal
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
EXTREMELY offensive link, above.
Was there an actual name, blanked out, on that flyer? If so, why?
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:28:31pm |
re: #18 Jadespring
Federal money for Planned Parenthood does not go towards abortions. It's not allowed.
Planned Parenthood IS NOT just about abortions.
AND, another Dude chimes in.
Shut up and get your viagra.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:29:00pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
Do you? How fascinating. Can you name some of these people?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:29:02pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
Thanks for visiting. Please take one of our colorful brochures on your way out.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:29:51pm |
Break out the flying pig!. UN condemns oppressive governments in the middle east, Israel not mentioned....
Pillay denounces violence by security forces in Libya, Bahrain and other countries in Middle East and North Africa
The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights on Friday condemned as illegal and excessively heavy-handed the response of a number of governments in the Middle East and North Africa to the legitimate demands of their people.
“The use of lethal force by security personnel in Libya has reportedly led to the death of more than 20 protestors,” Navi Pillay said. “This is a country where the human rights situation has generally been very closed to international scrutiny, including by us, but much of the population seems nevertheless to have the same human rights aspirations as people everywhere else.”
Pillay expressed deep regret for the deaths in recent weeks of protestors in Algeria, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Libya and Yemen, adding that she was particularly troubled by targeted attacks by security forces on certain professions.
“The nature and scope of the human rights violations taking place in several countries in the region in response to those who are largely demonstrating peacefully for their fundamental human rights and freedoms, is alarming,” she said.
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Slap Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:30:33pm |
re: #18 Jadespring
Siily you. Arguing against an utterly false (and breathtakingly, intentionally ignorant) talking point using actual facts?
Attempting to convince people who are willfully uninformed is Sisyphean.
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iossarian Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:30:49pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Do you? How fascinating. Can you name some of these people?
He doesn't know any of them personally, as they live in San Francisco and he won't go there in case he catches teh gay.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:30:53pm |
I had no idea the government funded NASCAR. What. The. Fuck. Can't it be paid for privately - I mean, with all the commercial endorsements?
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:31:20pm |
Yeah, the pro-choice people are really into stemming the growth of undesirables.
I have not seen such shit in a long time.
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:31:54pm |
584 dannyhiggs6/24/2010 11:18:45 pm PDTI am a born and raised American with Puerto Rican ancestry and I think the 14th amendment needs to go. It was created to give former slaves and their children citizenship and has no place today. The founding fathers did not create this amendment and now that it does not relate to today, it is no longer needed. Just as the 18th amendment was repealed, so too can the fourteenth amendment. It is not unconstitutional to repeal amendments. If we do not repeal it, at least modify it to state that the parents must be a full fledged citizen before the child is born. Otherwise the child should have to go through the same process as the parent.
Using the unborn as anchors is a mockery of our national sovereignty. Just because ILLEGAL immigrants will be the most effected does NOT make this a racist position.
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iossarian Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:32:00pm |
re: #31 eclectic infidel
I had no idea the government funded NASCAR. What. The. Fuck. Can't it be paid for privately - I mean, with all the commercial endorsements?
To be fair (and to clear up potential confusion), I think this is an advertising budget that the Pentagon has with NASCAR, in much the same way that you can't watch a football game any more without being exhorted to be a real man and sign up to kill Ay-rabs.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:32:11pm |
And of course, we get a brainless shit slinger crop up.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:32:19pm |
re: #31 eclectic infidel
I had no idea the government funded NASCAR. What. The. Fuck. Can't it be paid for privately - I mean, with all the commercial endorsements?
See, it's fine to fund something like NASCAR but helping our poor women is a no can do.
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:33:11pm |
re: #31 eclectic infidel
I had no idea the government funded NASCAR. What. The. Fuck. Can't it be paid for privately - I mean, with all the commercial endorsements?
It's a recruitment expense. They say it helps.
Hey, maybe that's why they oppose family planning, too. More potential recruits.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:33:53pm |
re: #33 wrenchwench
oooh, you're good. hee!
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Achilles Tang Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:34:03pm |
re: #36 HappyWarrior
See, it's fine to fund something like NASCAR but helping our poor women is a no can do.
NASCAR v NPR is a better analogy perhaps.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:34:05pm |
re: #37 wrenchwench
It's a recruitment expense. They say it helps.
Hey, maybe that's why they oppose family planning, too. More potential recruits.
More canon fodder.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:34:25pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it.
LOL, why not.
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BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:35:08pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:35:18pm |
re: #40 Gus 802
More
canoncannon fodder.
Woops. Although in the case of the theocrats it literally is canon fodder.
/
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:35:34pm |
Some food for thought - HUH's article on BBC's Wilders documentary: [Link: hurryupharry.org...]
BBL.
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jamesfirecat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:35:36pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
What about those "well meaning" people who don't want to see poor children forced to drop out of school to care for a child before they turn 20?
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The Mountain That Blogs Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:35:46pm |
I don't see the problem with allowing the military to spend recruiting funds as it sees fit. Buying a recruiting ad at a baseball stadium isn't the same thing as saying the federal government is subsidizing baseball advertising, and if NASCAR sponsorships help recruitment, then go ahead.
The Planned Parenthood stuff is just sick though.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:35:57pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
I know you have probably already done so, but I'll say it anyway: bugger off!
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:36:06pm |
re: #34 iossarian
To be fair (and to clear up potential confusion), I think this is an advertising budget that the Pentagon has with NASCAR, in much the same way that you can't watch a football game any more without being exhorted to be a real man and sign up to kill Ay-rabs.
The Recruiting Command relationship goes to more than air time, and more than NASCAR. Army also sponsors an NHRA dragster and an AMA motorcycle team, unless they've blown up again.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:36:09pm |
re: #33 wrenchwench
The EU does not require parents to be full-fledged citizens in order to grant citizenship to their children born in the EU, it just requires them to be legal residents.
If the USA wanted to pass a comprehensive package of immigration reform, including an amnesty, registration of resident aliens and effective control of border traffic, then I would not oppose changing the 14th Amendment to allow citizenship only to children of legal immigrants.
Until then, though, any sort of partial solution is just patchwork and political posturing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:36:59pm |
re: #19 Stanley Sea
You have no idea what Planned Parenthood is about. Save it until you do some research.
yeah, I'm sure the troll will get right on that ;-)
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:37:12pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
Are you aware that Planned Parenthood gets no federal funding for abortions? (Apparently not.)
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iossarian Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:37:40pm |
Maybe the Pentagon should shift its advertising to NPR!
"This episode of "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" was brought to you by the US Army, who would like to encourage all you college professors to get out there and smell the gunsmoke."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:38:27pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
The Recruiting Command relationship goes to more than air time, and more than NASCAR. Army also sponsors an NHRA dragster and an AMA motorcycle team, unless they've blown up again.
Does the Army sponsor a 24 hours of Lemons car? it'd only cost $500 :D
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:38:28pm |
re: #42 talon_262
Oh look, a sleeper...
Be careful or he'll send his sister after you with a gom jabbar
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Sionainn Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:38:32pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
What part of the government doesn't fund abortions don't you understand?
As for your last sentence, that's completely offensive, but not unpredictable coming from someone who is anti-choice.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:39:01pm |
re: #56 Sionainn
What part of the government doesn't fund abortions don't you understand?
As for your last sentence, that's completely offensive, but not unpredictable coming from someone who is anti-choice.
he's a troll, drive through :D
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iossarian Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:39:07pm |
re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Be careful or he'll send his sister after you with a gom jabbar
Chortle.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:39:21pm |
re: #47 The Mountain That Blogs
Yeah. I don't really have a problem with the spending on advertising in general. I do have a problem with the fact that the rational reason why this spending is fine-- we need to recruit people and NASCAR, whatever its other flaws, is a good way to do that-- is exactly the same rational reason to support Planned Parenthood-- we need to provide health care, natal education, contraceptives, etc and Planned Parenthood is a good way to do that.
The hypocrisy is writ large.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:39:28pm |
Just have a feeling that the GOP is going to sell this to the public as "We oppose public funding for abortion, the president and his allies do." And what's a shame is people will fall for that shit.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:40:05pm |
re: #60 HappyWarrior
Just have a feeling that the GOP is going to sell this to the public as "We oppose public funding for abortion, the president and his allies do." And what's a shame is people will fall for that shit.
It's all about posturing.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:40:14pm |
re: #47 The Mountain That Blogs
I don't see the problem with allowing the military to spend recruiting funds as it sees fit. Buying a recruiting ad at a baseball stadium isn't the same thing as saying the federal government is subsidizing baseball advertising, and if NASCAR sponsorships help recruitment, then go ahead.
The Planned Parenthood stuff is just sick though.
Yeah, I don't erally have a problem with the NASCAR thing either. I do have a problem with the Planned Parenthood thing and the nasty threats made to Congresswoman McCollum.
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:40:48pm |
re: #50 ralphieboy
The EU does not require parents to be full-fledged citizens in order to grant citizenship to their children born in the EU, it just requires them to be legal residents.
If the USA wanted to pass a comprehensive package of immigration reform, including an amnesty, registration of resident aliens and effective control of border traffic, then I would not oppose changing the 14th Amendment to allow citizenship only to children of legal immigrants.
Until then, though, any sort of partial solution is just patchwork and political posturing.
I would not want to change the 14th amendment for anything. I see great benefits to "birthright citizenship".
The US border will never be under the kind of control possible in the EU. And I'm sure the EU borders are pretty porous.
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:41:08pm |
re: #31 eclectic infidel
I had no idea the government funded NASCAR. What. The. Fuck. Can't it be paid for privately - I mean, with all the commercial endorsements?
The federal funding for NASCAR is in fact a commercial endorsement. Specifically, the Army recruiting service funds a single NASCAR team (Ryan Newman's) as a form of advertising, that is, in return for having its logos etc. on the car. The cost is about $7million per year. A single one minute commercial during the Daytona 500 costs half a million dollars, half a minute on the Super Bowl is 3 million. With Newman's car emblazoned in Army colors, millions see on television many times a year. The Army claims that 1/3 of its recruting contacts come from the NASCAR sponsorship.
The Air Force and National Guard also have NASCAR sponsorships.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:41:14pm |
re: #62 HappyWarrior
Yeah, I don't erally have a problem with the NASCAR thing either. I do have a problem with the Planned Parenthood thing and the nasty threats made to Congresswoman McCollum.
I have a problem with NASCAR, but it's all about the fact that those are't stock cars they're driving
Bring back REAL stock car racing, like with actual street cars that I recognize, and I'd watch!
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:41:19pm |
re: #58 iossarian
Chortle.
Thanks, I've been falling behind in my esoteric references for the month.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:41:25pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
The Recruiting Command relationship goes to more than air time, and more than NASCAR. Army also sponsors an NHRA dragster and an AMA motorcycle team, unless they've blown up again.
Here:
[Link: wallpapers.net...]
[Link: www.ultimatemotorcycling.com...]
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:41:50pm |
re: #63 wrenchwench
The problems the EU is having with their permanent underclass are because they don't have birthright citizenship.
Without full citizenship, the children grow up disaffected from the society, second-class, with less of a stake in it, less reason to want it to succeed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:41:59pm |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
Yeah, the pro-choice people are really into stemming the growth of undesirables.
I have not seen such shit in a long time.
he hasn't responded
TROOO--OOOOOLLL
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:43:33pm |
re: #68 Obdicut
The problems the EU is having with their permanent underclass are because they don't have birthright citizenship.
Without full citizenship, the children grow up disaffected from the society, second-class, with less of a stake in it, less reason to want it to succeed.
I think if you removed birthright citizenship, you'd get a situation dare I say similar to France. There were many people in the generation of my grandparents who became citizens simply by being born here and they were some of the most proud Americans you'd know.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:43:36pm |
re: #69 WindUpBird
he hasn't responded
TROOO--OOOLLL
His mom has called him up from the basement to feed the cats.
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:43:50pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
jesus you are a moron.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:44:28pm |
re: #71 imp_62
His mom has called him up from the basement to feed the cats.
Danny, could you go out and git momma some natty lite and cigarettes? Matlock is on!
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:45:19pm |
re: #73 WindUpBird
Danny, could you go out and git momma some natty lite and cigarettes? Matlock is on!
Danny git off me. Yer crushin my Marlboros.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:45:23pm |
re: #63 wrenchwench
I would not want to change the 14th amendment for anything. I see great benefits to "birthright citizenship".
The US border will never be under the kind of control possible in the EU. And I'm sure the EU borders are pretty porous.
I have no problem with "birthright citizensip" for children of legal resident immigrants, but at the time of the 14th Amendment there was no real concept of "illegal immigrant".
They have a law in Germany that requires all residents to register an address. Without a registration, you cannot sign a rental lease, register a car, obtain a driver's license, sign an employment contract., etc.
Which means that there are illegal aliens living here, but it is a lot more difficult for them to get by than in the US. But I cannot imagine the US passing or implementing such a law for whatever reason.
On the other hand, I recently got a note from the local immigration autorities reminding me that my US passport was about to expire and that I would need to renew it, as it is illegal to stay there without a valid passport.
Nice gesture on their part, I might not have noticed otherwise...
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wee fury Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:45:25pm |
re: #17 Decatur Deb
The Virginia Pilot article seems to have rotated. Here's the WSJ on it:
[Link: blogs.wsj.com...]
This is interesting from the article:
Congress itself directed the Army in 2000 to explore motor sports sponsorships as a recruiting tool. At some point in the last decade, each branch of the military had a partnership with NASCAR racing. The Marines axed their racing team in 2006 because of a smaller ad budget and because there was no way to know if it actually boosted recruiting. Today, only the Army, the National Guard and the Air Force still sponsor race cars.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:45:38pm |
re: #71 imp_62
His mom has called him up from the basement to feed the cats.
"MOM! Kitty's being a dildo!"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:46:03pm |
re: #70 HappyWarrior
I think if you removed birthright citizenship, you'd get a situation dare I say similar to France. There were many people in the generation of my grandparents who became citizens simply by being born here and they were some of the most proud Americans you'd know.
And then probably you'd see states basically doing a de facto citizenship thing because states would have to deal with the instability of having a permanent underclass
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:46:22pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:46:28pm |
re: #68 Obdicut
The problems the EU is having with their permanent underclass are because they don't have birthright citizenship.
Without full citizenship, the children grow up disaffected from the society, second-class, with less of a stake in it, less reason to want it to succeed.
Pass the DREAM Act now! Because it's happening here.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:46:49pm |
re: #68 Obdicut
The problems the EU is having with their permanent underclass are because they don't have birthright citizenship.
Without full citizenship, the children grow up disaffected from the society, second-class, with less of a stake in it, less reason to want it to succeed.
They do have birthright citizenship, but it is extended only to the children of legally registered immigrants. There are plenty of those here.
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:47:08pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:47:30pm |
re: #78 WindUpBird
And then probably you'd see states basically doing a de facto citizenship thing because states would have to deal with the instability of having a permanent underclass
Yep, honestly I am of the mindset that we need to make immigration and assimilation easier. You don't do that by telling a kid whose parents happen to be immigrants and has grown up his whole life considering himself an American "Sorry you're not an American."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:48:39pm |
re: #83 HappyWarrior
Yep, honestly I am of the mindset that we need to make immigration and assimilation easier. You don't do that by telling a kid whose parents happen to be immigrants and has grown up his whole life considering himself an American "Sorry you're not an American."
"Give us your tired and your poor as long as they're well rested and rich"
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:48:41pm |
re: #46 jamesfirecat
What about those "well meaning" people who don't want to see poor children forced to drop out of school to care for a child before they turn 20?
Makers vs Takers baby
Maybe instead of being poor they should choose to be rich. Problem solved
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Ericus58 Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:48:43pm |
re: #73 WindUpBird
Danny, could you go out and git momma some natty lite and cigarettes? Matlock is on!
Oh God, that made me think of the distant past when mom would send me to the drugstore to by her Tareyton's....
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Sionainn Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:48:46pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:49:38pm |
re: #87 Sionainn
Not surprising...anti-choice and gutless, too.
Danny! You stop drinkin' the milk out of the carton!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:50:04pm |
re: #86 Ericus58
Oh God, that made me think of the distant past when mom would send me to the drugstore to by her Tareyton's...
hahahahaha
I lived in a suburb too far from civilization to run errands as a child *_*
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:50:28pm |
re: #75 ralphieboy
I have no problem with "birthright citizensip" for children of legal resident immigrants, but at the time of the 14th Amendment there was no real concept of "illegal immigrant".
They have a law in Germany that requires all residents to register an address. Without a registration, you cannot sign a rental lease, register a car, obtain a driver's license, sign an employment contract., etc.
Which means that there are illegal aliens living here, but it is a lot more difficult for them to get by than in the US. But I cannot imagine the US passing or implementing such a law for whatever reason.
On the other hand, I recently got a note from the local immigration autorities reminding me that my US passport was about to expire and that I would need to renew it, as it is illegal to stay there without a valid passport.
Nice gesture on their part, I might not have noticed otherwise...
And you notice how well Germany's immigrants have assimilated. Not.
I have siblings and nieces in Germany. I don't want to use Germany's model on this.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:50:50pm |
re: #81 ralphieboy
I don't believe it's automatic in most countries in Europe; it makes you eligible to apply for citizenship.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:50:51pm |
re: #82 webevintage
"No Kitty, that my pot pie!"
"Mom got me the Vibemaster Pleasure 3000. I don't know what it is, but it sounds cool."
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:50:57pm |
re: #54 WindUpBird
Does the Army sponsor a 24 hours of Lemons car? it'd only cost $500 :D
Ha. Thought you had just misspelled "Le Mans".
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:52:21pm |
Framing the issue as "NASCAR vs. Planned Parenthood and NPR" is a false dichotomy and creates an unnecessary conflict. It is therefore a diversion from the real issue. The real issue is the very substantial reduction the GOP wants to make in certain services, and their purely ideological, theocratic motivation for doing so.
They're after NPR and PP now, next year it might be me and other evolution proponents, if it isn't already.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:53:28pm |
re: #90 wrenchwench
And you notice how well Germany's immigrants have assimilated. Not.
I have siblings and nieces in Germany. I don't want to use Germany's model on this.
The second generation of German born Turks have a very strong German identity. I see the same thing in Switzerland, where a second or third generation child of immigrants may have a better knowledge of Swiss history, and a stronger cultural identification as Swiss, than many citizens.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:54:09pm |
re: #91 Obdicut
I don't believe it's automatic in most countries in Europe; it makes you eligible to apply for citizenship.
re: #90 wrenchwench
And you notice how well Germany's immigrants have assimilated. Not.
I have siblings and nieces in Germany. I don't want to use Germany's model on this.
In Germany since 2000, children of legal resident immigrants are automatically German at birth.
I do not advocate the German model on assimilation at all, but that is another story. In fact I am currently opposed to altering the 14th Amendment unless it is part of a fully comprehensive package of reform, including amnest for current residents, full registration of resident aliens and effective control and regulation of border traffic.
And i don't think that any of those things are likely to happen at all in the near future
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:54:27pm |
I can see no negative repurcussions to this course of action.
Bahrain royal family orders army to turn on the people
Bahrain's protesters have come to expect violence and even death at the hands of the kingdom's security forces. At least five people were killed before yesterday's protests.
But this was on a different scale of magnitude.
As they drew near, they were met first with tear gas and then with bursts of live ammunition.
Many fled the first salvoes, scrambling down empty streets as the shots rang out behind them.
As they ran, terror and disbelief flashed across their faces. One man shouted: "They are killing our people! They are killing our people."
Cowering behind a wall, a woman wept, her body shaking in fear.
But many refused to run, initially at least, determined to defy the violence being visited upon them. Some held their hands in the air and shouted "Peaceful! Peaceful!".
The shooting resumed. One man crumpled to the ground, blood pouring from his leg; nearby a second was also felled. A scream went up: "live ammunition!"
As security forces then began to fire anti-air craft guns over their heads and the air filled with tear gas, the protesters' will finally broke.
But even as they fled in headlong panic, a helicopter sprayed gunfire at them and more fell. Paramedics from ambulances that had rushed to the scene darted forward to help the wounded, but they too were shot at. Several were detained and at least one ambulance was impounded.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:55:33pm |
re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can see no negative repurcussions to this course of action.
One can assume that the Saudis are behind this, they know who wouldbe next if Bahrain succeeds in toppling their government.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:56:15pm |
re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can see no negative repurcussions to this course of action.
Holy shit. Helicopters too!
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:56:25pm |
"Mr. Boehner, why is the Republican Congress seeking to defund Planned Parenthood and NPR when these services are obviously of benefit to the taxpaying public?"
"Er, uh, let me see. Huh, well........Look, over there, it's pinko trying to desecrate defund our NASCAR sponsorship!"
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:57:39pm |
re: #94 Shiplord Kirel
Framing the issue as "NASCAR vs. Planned Parenthood and NPR" is a false dichotomy and creates an unnecessary conflict. It is therefore a diversion from the real issue. The real issue is the very substantial reduction the GOP wants to make in certain services, and their purely ideological, theocratic motivation for doing so.
They're after NPR and PP now, next year it might be me and other evolution proponents, if it isn't already.
I think it's telling in the sense of where the GOP's priorities lie. The NASCAR sponsorship funding has already been voluntarily dropped by most branches of the military because it apparently didn't help recruitment. So cutting this would be pretty uncontroversial, it seems to me, and a quick way to save some money, since they're all about fiscal conservatism.
PP, on the other hand, indisputably does an enormous amount of good for millions of women, providing vital services to women who couldn't afford them otherwise. But this is what the GOP wants to cut, while NASCAR funding sails through the House.
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:57:41pm |
Review of the BBC documentary on Wilders from Harry's Place:
bbc-wilders-documentary-promotes-extremists-and-members-of-extremist-groups
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:58:19pm |
re: #102 Gus 802
What's a pap smear? -- Mike Pence (R-Indiana)
//
"I think its when they make fun of your dad. I get that all the time." - Rand Paul (R-KY)
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:59:09pm |
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:59:12pm |
France has suspended the shipment of arms/security materiel to Bahrain and Libya
[Link: www.lefigaro.fr...]
Specifically, a cargo of tear gas grenades has been prohibited from leaving port.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 12:59:37pm |
Bahrain officials are trying to claim all protesters are Iranian agitators.
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:00:07pm |
re: #107 imp_62
France has suspended the shipment of arms/security materiel to Bahrain and Libya
[Link: www.lefigaro.fr...]Specifically, a cargo of tear gas grenades has been prohibited from leaving port.
I would rather see them using French tear gas than using American-made tear gas like they did in Egypt.
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Blizard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:00:15pm |
NASCAR?
Pfft...I prefer my steering wheel to go *both* ways, thanks.
F1 FTW!
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:00:44pm |
re: #108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bahrain officials are trying to claim all protesters are Iranian agitators.
What does Glenn Beck have to say on that?
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Michael McBacon Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:01:04pm |
re: #45 Sergey Romanov
Some food for thought - HUH's article on BBC's Wilders documentary: [Link: hurryupharry.org...]
BBL.
Dig this comment:
george
18 February 2011, 8:04 am
Gee, doesn’t the vile antisemitic attack on Geert Wilders indicate that maybe he’s a friend of Israel and an enemy of Islamic fascism – and therefor a man to be supported?
WTF?
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:01:18pm |
If NASCAR is a conservative sport how come they're always turning left?
//
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:01:32pm |
Just as a point of reference, the $1.5 Billion for abstinence only education is still fully funded.
At this point (repeating myself from previous thread) I use a simple test: what's their stance on Griswold. If they're against that, life of the unborn is not the primary issue.
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:02:40pm |
Oh, look. Another one.
560 dannyhiggs6/16/2009 9:23:28 am PDT
I owe many things to the internet. Politically, I have been able to reinforce my conservative beliefs while still opening my mind on other issues that I didn't even know about. It certainly beats getting all your info from the MSM
That one includes a link to his blog. A smelly, stinky, ugly blog.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:03:28pm |
re: #18 Jadespring
Federal money for Planned Parenthood does not go towards abortions. It's not allowed.
Planned Parenthood IS NOT just about abortions.
My guess is that a significant number of the Republican House members that voted on this also don't know that PP doesn't use federal money for abortions. Not that it would make much of a difference anyway. The whole fecderal budget issue is a big smokescreen to cover a radical rightwing agenda anyway.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:03:37pm |
Ugh. Sometimes I think neighbors were "put on this Earth" just to drive other people crazy.
Hip hop sucks donkey balls.
BBL
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:04:25pm |
re: #116 Talking Point Detective
My guess is that a significant number of the Republican House members that voted on this also don't know that PP doesn't use federal money for abortions. Not that it would make much of a difference anyway. The whole fecderal budget issue is a big smokescreen to cover a radical rightwing agenda anyway.
ACORN
//
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:04:26pm |
re: #45 Sergey Romanov
Some food for thought - HUH's article on BBC's Wilders documentary: [Link: hurryupharry.org...]
BBL.
Missed that you had already linked to it.
Yeah, very disturbing documentary, as I mentioned a few days ago.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:04:36pm |
18/2/2011 bahrain army open fire on protesters
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:05:38pm |
re: #115 wrenchwench
He seems to have only a very rudimentary grasp of the English language, the US system of government, and the basic rules of logic and debate.
Clearly, this is one child who was left behind.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:05:46pm |
re: #52 Charles
Are you aware that Planned Parenthood gets no federal funding for abortions? (Apparently not.)
Jackholes like Pence and dannyhiggs doesn't care that PP can't and doesn't perform abortions with federal funds (with all of the extra accounting that entails to stay within the law), only that PP does abortions at all. For this, PP and like women's health organizations must be stopped at all cost, no matter who it hurts.
And the poor, rural folks who could and do benefit from organizations like PP will applaud and eat this shit up, because the TPGOP tells them they should.
Talk about voting against your own interests...bonehead, craven shit like this makes me ashamed to have ever voted for the GOP, especially in the last election.
To those who say that my last statement makes me a RINO or dirty librul, know this: right now, I'm not aligning wholly with the GOP or the Dems, but I know I'm not a wingnut or a moonbat.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:06:54pm |
re: #93 Decatur Deb
Ha. Thought you had just misspelled "Le Mans".
it's a whole different thing, yes :D It's pretty great, especially if you have a love for watching cars from the 80's race themselves to pieces
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Slap Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:07:11pm |
re: #116 Talking Point Detective
I suspect the "rationale" is based in the wonderful concept of:
"Well, sure they don't use the money for abortions -- this money covers bills allows them to use OTHER money for abortions, so it's the same thing".
Riiiiight.
Next: Defund road maintenance on all freeway exits within a 10 mi radius of PP, rip out roads leading to clinics, etc....
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:07:52pm |
I can only guess that the very concept of "planned parenthood" does not sit well with a lot of fundamentalist Christians and social conservatives: kids are supposed to just happen as the result of a wife doing her subservient duty to please her husband.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:07:54pm |
re: #117 Gus 802
Ugh. Sometimes I think neighbors were "put on this Earth" just to drive other people crazy.
Hip hop sucks donkey balls.
BBL
:/
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:08:10pm |
Bahrain's crown prince calls for 'dialogue' after bloody protests
An official statement on Bahrain TV says the king has given Crown Prince Salman bin Hamad al-Khalifa "all the powers to fulfill the hopes and aspirations" of Bahrain's citizens.
Nada Alwadi, reporting for USA TODAY in Bahrain, reports that the crown prince, speaking on TV, ordered the immediate removal of armed forces from Bahrain's roads in wake of the shooting and says "both parties are wrong and I consider this a betrayal to the country."
"I express my condolences to all Bahrainis because of the painful days that we are living," he said. "We need time to evaluate what happened and to regroup together again and to restore our humanity, culture and future."
Meanwhile, Britain's minister for the Middle East and North Africa, Alistair Burt, says London has suspended exports of some weapons to Libya and Bahrain. The minister adds that a review is underway regarding export licenses to the region, including Yemen.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:08:50pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:09:19pm |
re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Bahrain's crown prince calls for 'dialogue' after bloody protests
There used to be a bully on my block, Graying Davis who would steal my toys and then offer to sell them back to me.
Why does the Prince of Bahrain remind me of him?
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:11:02pm |
re: #125 ralphieboy
I can only guess that the very concept of "planned parenthood" does not sit well with a lot of fundamentalist Christians and social conservatives: kids are supposed to just happen as the result of a wife doing her subservient duty to please her husband.
But why do the kids all look like the gardener?
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:12:14pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But why do the kids all look like the gardener?
dad was outsourcing his work to foreigners, I guess...
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b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire) Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:13:06pm |
Human beings are all too willing to exercise their god-given right to be stupid animals.
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:13:46pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But why do the kids all look like the gardener?
Oh, there's just the wife's family showing up in the genes - look at her father, after all.
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Romantic Heretic Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:14:14pm |
re: #10 webevintage
Seriously, I'm a bit shocked to find out that NASCAR gets any Federal Funds.
WTF?
What ever happened to the separation of Church and State? /semi
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b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire) Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:14:58pm |
re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
But why do the kids all look like the gardener?
The gardener comes fully equipped.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:15:41pm |
Soros!!
Yes, a GOP rep just invoked that name, in regards to .... deep water drilling:
[Link: houselive.gov...]
Undoubtedly the Islamic atheism funding Soros wants to undo American oil production.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:17:10pm |
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:17:53pm |
re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I love Lily Allen. She's my bad girl of pop crush.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:18:43pm |
re: #140 imp_62
I love Lily Allen. She's my bad girl of pop crush.
I would do terrible things with that girl.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:19:09pm |
Seems we had 60,000 protesters yesterday, no count yet for today. Rev. Jessie Jackson :rolleyes: showed up to the excitement of those who like him (meh). I'm hoping to get up to the square tomorrow to watch the Teabaggers reactions when they're massively outnumbered.
Meanwhile the Dems are still running and Scooter's still fuming.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:19:28pm |
re: #50 ralphieboy
The EU does not require parents to be full-fledged citizens in order to grant citizenship to their children born in the EU, it just requires them to be legal residents.
If the USA wanted to pass a comprehensive package of immigration reform, including an amnesty, registration of resident aliens and effective control of border traffic, then I would not oppose changing the 14th Amendment to allow citizenship only to children of legal immigrants.
Until then, though, any sort of partial solution is just patchwork and political posturing.
no no a thousand times no, Elminating birthright citizenship for all opens the door for a perpetual underclass of people who have no investment nor commitment to this country. You can argue about people here illegally until you're blue in the face, and I respect that people have different opinions on if illegal immigrants belong in the US or not.
BUT to take away citizenship from a child born in the US is to take away any incentive at all for people here illegally to hold any sort of loyalty to us. let alone their children, can you imagine growing up your entire life where a country hates you so much, that treats you as less a person, that they refuse to recognize you as a member of their country.
Imagine what happens 15 to 20 years after that law passes and those children grow up to be very, very, angry teens and young adults.
Birthright citizenship keeps that incentive, that sense of belonging, something that can't be taken away, no matter what happens to the parents.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:19:41pm |
re: #141 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I would do terrible things with that girl.
I'd be the Clyde to her Bonnie. Heck. I'd be the Bonnie to her Clyde if she insisted.
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:19:43pm |
re: #134 Romantic Heretic
What ever happened to the separation of Church and State? /semi
Down in the south, there's this religion to which the people are devoted. Now like a lot of large religions it's got schisms between the sects, all of them hailing their particular saints. The largest sect for a while was the Earnhardts - the holy symbol (looked like a 3 to the uninitiated) was everywhere. The Pettys were pretty much furious. But things have changed as time goes on, and they're tolerated by pretty much everyone these days.
In fact, about the only people who still get real peeved about the whole idea of Nascar's impurity due to following idols are the members of the High Church of Elvis.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:20:10pm |
re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
I love that song. And Lily Allen. She's awesome. :D
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:20:30pm |
re: #134 Romantic Heretic
What ever happened to the separation of Church and State? /semi
Shouldn't that be separation of clutch and (pressure) plate?
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Interesting Times Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:20:53pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:21:14pm |
re: #143 bloodstar
Once again, I pointed out that altering the 14th Amendment would have to be part of a sweeping and comprehensive package of reform that would grant legal status to those already here and control access in the future.
That is not likely to hapen, and unless it does, I am not for tampering with birthright citizenship.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:21:32pm |
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:21:54pm |
re: #144 imp_62
I'd be the Clyde to her Bonnie. Heck. I'd be the Bonnie to her Clyde if she insisted.
The Sid to her Nancy.
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freetoken Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:23:24pm |
"Crap and Trade"!!
Gohmert is saying BP got a pass from Obama because they supported "crap and trade".
Geeshh....
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:23:48pm |
re: #151 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I have to agree. I like this woman after hearing the song.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:23:54pm |
re: #148 publicityStunted
I see your GOP salutation and raise you Jon Stewart's version :D
[Video]
All we need is Cee-lo Green and the trifecta is complete. :D
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:24:28pm |
re: #150 ProLifeLiberal
Why is he being called Scooter.
It's his nickname from when he was in the Assembly. Not sure how or why but its as silly as he is so it's a natural to be used in these contexts.
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Blizard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:25:09pm |
re: #155 Lidane
All we need is Cee-lo Green and the trifecta is complete. :D
Was going to post it but I forgot my you-tube pw to post the official version. Catchy song!
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:25:29pm |
In 2008, Planned Parenthood reported that contraception constituted 35% of total services, STI/STD testing and treatment constituted 34%, cancer testing and screening constituted 17%; and other women’s health procedures, including pregnancy, prenatal, midlife, and infertility were 10%. According to Planned Parenthood less than 2% of visits involve abortions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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theheat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:25:37pm |
NASCAR + Extenz= Virility. Big strong white men with hard penises are divine gifts to housebound women wearing aprons that dream of raising up some young'uns of their own.
This is the only place science might be useful. That, and a plasma TV to watch NASCAR. Young earth creationists can rejoice, since the tracks are simple circles and there's no fear of driving off the edge of the world, or into bad neighborhoods.
Planned Parenthood really can't compete with that. Nobody wants to watch pelvic exams, filling out birth control prescriptions, rape victim or unplanned pregnancy counseling. Hell, even 'gator wrasslin' reruns are better than that.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:25:56pm |
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:26:37pm |
hahahahaha
and the skyscraper ad next to this story is "Help Michelle Baachman Defund Planned Parenthood."
Nice, Charles. I hope they spent a pretty penny on that ad
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Interesting Times Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:27:06pm |
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Michael McBacon Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:27:44pm |
re: #153 freetoken
I just saw that.
What cozy relationship between the GOP and oil companies? Obama cozied up with BP!!
//
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:27:45pm |
re: #143 bloodstar
no no a thousand times no, Elminating birthright citizenship for all opens the door for a perpetual underclass of people who have no investment nor commitment to this country. You can argue about people here illegally until you're blue in the face, and I respect that people have different opinions on if illegal immigrants belong in the US or not.
BUT to take away citizenship from a child born in the US is to take away any incentive at all for people here illegally to hold any sort of loyalty to us. let alone their children, can you imagine growing up your entire life where a country hates you so much, that treats you as less a person, that they refuse to recognize you as a member of their country.
Imagine what happens 15 to 20 years after that law passes and those children grow up to be very, very, angry teens and young adults.
Birthright citizenship keeps that incentive, that sense of belonging, something that can't be taken away, no matter what happens to the parents.
Thanks for spelling it out. Well done.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:27:48pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
In 2008, Planned Parenthood reported that contraception constituted 35% of total services, STI/STD testing and treatment constituted 34%, cancer testing and screening constituted 17%; and other women’s health procedures, including pregnancy, prenatal, midlife, and infertility were 10%. According to Planned Parenthood less than 2% of visits involve abortions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Contraception: SINNER!
STDs: SINNER!
Cancer: YOU DESERVED IT BECAUSE YOU WERE A LIBERAL
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:28:46pm |
re: #153 freetoken
"Crap and Trade"!!
Gohmert is saying BP got a pass from Obama because they supported "crap and trade".
Geeshh...
wth?
I thought the Republicans wanted us to apologize to BP because Obama was so mean to them.
I have a hard time keeping all the bullshit straight.
is there a flow chart for this?
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:29:24pm |
Ovarian Cancer Screening - 0
Good 'Ol Boys - £7million
Something is just a little wrong with that picture.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:30:02pm |
re: #169 webevintage
wth?
I thought the Republicans wanted us to apologize to BP because Obama was so mean to them.
I have a hard time keeping all the bullshit straight.
is there a flow chart for this?
it all makes sense! Because we have no long term memory :D
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Wozza Matter? Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:30:22pm |
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:31:04pm |
re: #168 WindUpBird
Contraception: SINNER!
STDs: SINNER!
The war on BC is bizzarre, but I guess if us slutty slut sluts are going to go out HORING around then the least we could do was have to pay the price of our sluttiness.
That's what we get for being uppity and thinking we are equal to men.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:31:12pm |
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:31:56pm |
re: #149 ralphieboy
Once again, I pointed out that altering the 14th Amendment would have to be part of a sweeping and comprehensive package of reform that would grant legal status to those already here and control access in the future.
That is not likely to hapen, and unless it does, I am not for tampering with birthright citizenship.
:)
Sorry, I focused on the potential than the details. A debate on the merits wouldn't be wrong. though I'd still argue that if someone managed to make their way across even after we've upped border controls even more, are exactly the bright and proactive people we'd want here. and their kids would probably have that same drive and desire to better themselves. (particularly if there's any merit to the idea that Nature has some impact on behavior and personality)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:32:53pm |
re: #175 webevintage
The war on BC is bizzarre, but I guess if us slutty slut sluts are going to go out HORING around then the least we could do was have to pay the price of our sluttiness.
That's what we get for being uppity and thinking we are equal to men.
I would think that birth control would be a thing that's just off the table, because we're not in the middle ages and we don't think airplanes are witches
And the fact that it's not, that there are people who with a straight face want to make it more difficult to get BC, just baffles me
it's like learning that entire cities in the US believe the earth is flat
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:33:22pm |
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:34:53pm |
re: #178 WindUpBird
and we don't think airplanes are witches
have you checked with Bill 'O or Gohmert lately...they might just wonder how the fuck those planes do stay up in the sky.
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:35:33pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:35:44pm |
re: #181 webevintage
have you checked with Bill 'O or Gohmert lately...they might just wonder how the fuck those planes do stay up in the sky.
The celebration of dimwittery!
I guess it makes it easier on smart people because there's less competition, but it means our country sucks
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:36:06pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
In 2008, Planned Parenthood reported that contraception constituted 35% of total services, STI/STD testing and treatment constituted 34%, cancer testing and screening constituted 17%; and other women’s health procedures, including pregnancy, prenatal, midlife, and infertility were 10%. According to Planned Parenthood less than 2% of visits involve abortions.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
But Mike Pence needed to score political points. Seriously, I have to confess my own past ignorance. I had no idea PP did that much good. This won't pass the Senate but as was pointed downstairs, it's just a Senate GOP majority and Republican president away from being reality.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:36:26pm |
re: #181 webevintage
have you checked with Bill 'O or Gohmert lately...they might just wonder how the fuck those planes do stay up in the sky.
The gravity of the moon attracts them. The only reason planes don't sail straight up into the sky is because of the drag pf the phlogiston.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:38:41pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:39:07pm |
re: #179 Winny Spencer
Yay ignorance. Does dumbshit realize that not everyone in academia is a bleeding heart liberal. Hell some of my favorite professors in history and international relations have been ones I haven't agreed on but I appreciated because they challenged me to think outside the box. The good professors: left, right, whatever will do that. The contempt for academia is truly sad if you ask me. At 23, I respect my instructors more than ever for striking my intellectual curiousity in things. Heck, I liked my Chinese history professor's approach to history so much that I took his follow up course on contemporary China.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:39:35pm |
re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I thought it was the haze from coming down off an oxycotin high.
In news that might not be as unrelated as you first think:
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:40:10pm |
re: #12 iceweasel
Dem Rep Receives Threat Over NASCAR Proposal
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
EXTREMELY offensive link, above.
That letterhead is exactly the same as the one that was used in the threatening letter that was sent to CA state senator Leland Yee after he criticized Rush Limbaugh for his mocking racist monologue during Chinese President Hu Jintao's January visit to the White House.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire) Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:40:43pm |
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b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire) Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:41:24pm |
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:42:15pm |
I just went looking for the actual news instead of the second hand stuff. People who've been talking about planned parenthood are understating the situation.
The amendment defunds Title X. That's the HHS Family Planning Program.
But again I note that the $1.5 Billion for abstinence only education is untouched.
I have no words to describe my rage.
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ProGunLiberal Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:42:54pm |
re: #179 Winny Spencer
See, I just see an massively obese lardbucket of a troll who doesn't have the brain power to think about events going, instead staying with his little insular worldview. He is the problem with the US. Ignorance combined with the arrogance that they somehow know what to do better than those who are fully trained in critical thinking and other skills.
In regards to him, I quote the great poet Cee-Lo Green and say "Fuck You."
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:44:16pm |
re: #194 kirkspencer
I just went looking for the actual news instead of the second hand stuff. People who've been talking about planned parenthood are understating the situation.
The amendment defunds Title X. That's the HHS Family Planning Program.
But again I note that the $1.5 Billion for abstinence only education is untouched.
I have no words to describe my rage.
"Surprise" should not be on the list of words under consideration.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:44:27pm |
re: #194 kirkspencer
I just went looking for the actual news instead of the second hand stuff. People who've been talking about planned parenthood are understating the situation.
The amendment defunds Title X. That's the HHS Family Planning Program.
But again I note that the $1.5 Billion for abstinence only education is untouched.
I have no words to describe my rage.
Saddlebacking counts as abstinence, right?
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:44:31pm |
re: #194 kirkspencer
I have no words to describe my rage.
That's why condensing it all down to a simple "Fuck You" is enough. It's short and to the point. :D
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freetoken Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:44:42pm |
re: #194 kirkspencer
It was a late night "debate" when they were reading that portion of HR1 and the amendments added at that time. There were few reps there... so of course it was all talk and no votes. Yet from the "arguments" provided it was pretty clear that the GOP was really out for PP. The Dem reps there were mostly women and they went on and on about Title X and all the good it does, but the male GOP reps didn't seem so moved.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:45:11pm |
re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Saddlebacking counts as abstinence, right?
That's what all the good Christian kids think. Heh.
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shutdown Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:47:16pm |
Gotta hop. It is way too quiet in the house, considering there are at least 4 kids here (mine and others).
Have a great weekend, and Sabbath peace to all - Friday through Sunday :)
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:48:19pm |
re: #198 Lidane
That's why condensing it all down to a simple "Fuck You" is enough. It's short and to the point. :D
It's too mild. "May the god they think they worship confront them with the consequences of their acts, making them experience every single one as though it happened to themselves" is just the start of what I'm thinking.
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Summer Seale Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:49:16pm |
Next up: The GOP is planning on defunding free condoms to teens and will be replacing them with giant foam fingers to try to promote a conservative view of safer sex while watching federally funded NASCAR races.
Film at 11.
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blueraven Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:49:27pm |
re: #184 HappyWarrior
But Mike Pence needed to score political points. Seriously, I have to confess my own past ignorance. I had no idea PP did that much good. This won't pass the Senate but as was pointed downstairs, it's just a Senate GOP majority and Republican president away from being reality.
This isn't about abortion. They know dam well the Hyde amendment doesn't allow funding. This is about systematically trying to disassemble the Democratic base.
This is the same thing they are trying to do in Wisconsin. It is not about the budget, it is about taking away collective bargaining for public workers and union busting.
It is all about politics.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:50:15pm |
re: #112 UNIXon
Dig this comment:
WTF?
LOL, logic fail. I don't know if the doc is antisemitic, but it surely seems to have some unseemly characters - but that doesn't mean Wilders is somehow off the hook.
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:52:09pm |
Oh residents of Cheeseheadian looks like Breitfuck is on his way to annoy you all and make trouble.
@AndrewBreitbart
Before getting on plane to promote democracy & American way in Wi., gave self billion $ raise & flushed bag of C notes. Capitalism is fun!
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theheat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:53:45pm |
re: #194 kirkspencer
But again I note that the $1.5 Billion for abstinence only education is untouched.
Hey, gotta make sure every member of the Palin family has a paid speaking platform. If this isn't nursing the govenrment teat, I don't know what is.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:53:46pm |
Palin was accompanied by her daughter, Bristol, whom she described as her “entourage.” She said she had asked Bristol, in their hotel room Wednesday night, to Google information about the economy in preparation for the appearance in a country club ballroom.
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iossarian Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:55:11pm |
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palomino Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:55:22pm |
re: #22 Ericus58
"A longtime anti-abortion crusader, Pence has three times previously tried to cut off legislative funding, called Title X, for any group that provides abortions.
The money cannot be used to pay for abortions, and Pence has not argued that Planned Parenthood has used the funds to do so.
But he argues that cutting off support for millions of women’s health clinics would cut off their ability to perform the procedure."
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]
Well, he in his own words admits to knowing that this will cut the ability of women to have health care.
Fucktard.
Pence is basically the House's Jim Demint. Which is why the WH wasn't really too concerned about the possibility of a Pence candidacy in 2012...like Palin and Gingrich, Pence's extreme views would be a handicap come general election time.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:55:45pm |
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:55:58pm |
re: #208 negativ
Because this country needs a POTUS that has to rely on Google for economic information. That's a winner for sure.
///
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:55:58pm |
Manuscript of former Palin aide's tell-all book leaked
A copy of a tell-all book by Frank Bailey, “Blind Allegiance to Sarah Palin: A Memoir of Our Tumultuous Years,” has been leaked to members of the media. In the book, Palin’s former chief of staff gives an unflattering view inside the former governor’s rise to fame.
In the foreword of his 456-page manuscript, originally titled “Renegade: Sarah Palin’s Hatchet Man,” Bailey says Palin e-mailed him, “I hate this damn job” days before she quit in July 2009. The book goes on to describe Palin’s staff targeting political opponents for personal retribution, through a variety of public channels.
“We set our sights and went after opponents in coordinated attacks, utilizing what we called ‘Fox News surrogates’, friendly blogs, ghost-written op eds, media opinion polls (that we often rigged), letters to editors, and carefully edited speeches,” Bailey wrote. “Nobody needed to be told what to do; we understood Sarah’s silent mandate to do something now.”
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Winny Spencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:57:01pm |
re: #206 webevintage
Oh residents of Cheeseheadian looks like Breitfuck is on his way to annoy you all and make trouble.
@AndrewBreitbart
Before getting on plane to promote democracy & American way in Wi., gave self billion $ raise & flushed bag of C notes. Capitalism is fun!
He has a PhD in Douchebaggery.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:57:20pm |
re: #202 kirkspencer
It's too mild.
Sure, but if I said what I really think about these people, I'd get banned.
Ergo, I'll settle for giving them a hearty and well-deserved "Fuck You". :D
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:57:33pm |
re: #208 negativ
So, Sarah and Bristol support the communist Muslim Brotherhood, eh?
/Glenn Beck mode
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theheat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:58:10pm |
re: #212 HappyWarrior
I think she's still stuck in the Thesaurus looking up synonyms for faggot.
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palomino Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:58:30pm |
re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Why does the sender hate Veterans?
The hate-filled fool who sent that clearly is upset that minorities have any political say in America. He'll never be happy because, regardless of how long Obama serves, the trend toward more minority politicians isn't going to reverse itself.
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:58:35pm |
re: #211 palomino
Pence is basically the House's Jim Demint. Which is why the WH wasn't really too concerned about the possibility of a Pence candidacy in 2012...like Palin and Gingrich, Pence's extreme views would be a handicap come general election time.
But he would have had a real strong shot at the nomination.....shows how out of control the Republican primary voters are
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freetoken Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:58:41pm |
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:58:51pm |
re: #214 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That person is a sleazeball out to make a buck, regardless of my view of Palin. That said, it was she who surrounded herself with this kind of people.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:58:55pm |
re: #218 theheat
I think she's still stuck in the Thesaurus looking up synonyms for faggot.
It explains why she keeps calling people a bundle of wood.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 1:59:56pm |
re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It explains why she keeps calling people a bundle of wood.
Or a cigarette...
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:01:59pm |
Isn't Pence possibly running for the governorship in Indiana? I know Lugar's going to have a TP challenger but I don't think Pence would challenge him.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:02:24pm |
re: #10 webevintage
We can argue if radio or tv ads would be better, but let's face it the Army has a tough sell, or should the Army not have a recruiting budget beyond recruitment offices?
From the link
The Army spends $7 million a year on its NASCAR team, and sees it as a useful recruiting tool. The Army picked up 46,000 recruiting leads in 2010 through its racing team, Col. Derik Crotts, director of the Army’s sponsorship, told Washington Wire.
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theheat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:03:01pm |
re: #224 talon_262
Or another teenager on Facebook.
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palomino Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:03:32pm |
re: #220 mr.fusion
But he would have had a real strong shot at the nomination...shows how out of control the Republican primary voters are
That's the GOP's dilemma come 2012. Much of the GOP base was furious in 2008 because "McCain the RINO" got the nod. They vowed to nominate a "true conservative" for 2012. In the end, cooler heads may prevail, but whoever gets the nod will have to run far to the right in the primaries, and then quickly try to move back to the center, which may not be that easy to do.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:03:59pm |
geez, the teacher and police hate just keeps coming!
Republicans (the few who are actually republican in nature) simply do not have a worshipful attitude towards a badge. Get over it.
its good to cut down pointless people, stop political pensions; cops don't need money many make side deals with drug dealers and others. and why pay teachers only if that person is working and only by the hr at $ 8.50 per hrs, and no pension, the monkeys can get SS At 70 years old, if its still here to get.
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:04:36pm |
re: #218 theheat
I think she's still stuck in the Thesaurus looking up synonyms for faggot.
We need to understand that cigarettes are part of the leftists cabal an have an agenda to destroy the family and thusly America. We must stand against the cigarette agenda. Cigarettes are an abomination! No to cigarette marriage. No to cigarettes in the military.
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theheat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:06:00pm |
re: #230 Jadespring
If I don't inhale can I still wear white at my wedding?
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:07:20pm |
re: #231 theheat
If I don't inhale can I still wear white at my wedding?
If people can get away with saddlebacking and still wear white, then go right ahead.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:08:05pm |
The disdain for educators is just so fucked up beyond belief. My godmother was a teacher. She worked very hard and was the first person in my mom's mom's family to get a college degree. People don't have to like the union but they should have a little respect for the people who teach our kids. You'd think as someone grows older, they'd gain some perspective. As I've said. AT 23, I respect my teachers much more than I did at 13 since I realize how much they've struck my intellectual curiousities over the years. and there's no price on how thankless that is.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:11:02pm |
Speaking of Cheeseheadistan, Michele Bachmann is yammering about it now:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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freetoken Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:12:30pm |
Here was the order of the amendments for the day:
Nos. 8, 13, 19, 23, 27, 38, 42, 46, 47, 48, 49, 51, 54, 55, 79, 80, 83, 88, 89, 94, 99, 101, 104, 109, 117, 120, 126, 127, 137, 141, 144, 145, 146, 149, 151, 154, 159, 164, 166, 172, 174, 177, 185, 199, 200, 207, 216, 217, 233, 241, 246, 251, 255, 261, 263, 266, 267, 268, 273, 274, 278, 280, 281, 296, 323, 329, 330, 331, 333, 336, 342, 344, 345, 348, 367, 369, 377, 392, 396, 400, 401, 405, 408, 409, 414, 424, 429, 430, 439, 445, 448, 463, 464, 465, 466, 467, 471, 480, 482, 483, 495, 496, 497, 498, 504, 507, 515, 519, 524, 525, 526, 533, 534, 536, 540, 543, 545, 548, 552, 560, 563, 566, 567, 569, 570, 575, 577, 578, and 583.
As of a few minutes ago they were up to number 296.
Looks like another long night.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:12:34pm |
re: #229 engineer dog
geez, the teacher and police hate just keeps coming!
Republicans (the few who are actually republican in nature) simply do not have a worshipful attitude towards a badge. Get over it.
its good to cut down pointless people, stop political pensions; cops don't need money many make side deals with drug dealers and others. and why pay teachers only if that person is working and only by the hr at $ 8.50 per hrs, and no pension, the monkeys can get SS At 70 years old, if its still here to get.
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
I can't tell if that comment was supposed to be trolling or serious...some Bad Craziness out there.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:13:31pm |
re: #140 imp_62
I love Lily Allen. She's my bad girl of pop crush.
I listened to that song, despite myself.
1. it has that DAMNABLE piano riff at the beginning. You know what I'm talking about.
2. According to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the song was originally target at either GW Bush (which makes little to no sense) or the BNP (which makes more sense).
3. There's what appears to be a brief musical quote from the Led Zeppelin song "Kashmir" that occurs several times. Pure coincidence, or it is a CLUE of some kind?
4. Holy compression, Batman! Quit doing this, srsly.
Not really my cup of phosgene, but far less terrible than most of the stuff that really gets people's buttocks pumping up and down these days.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:14:19pm |
re: #235 Lidane
Speaking of Cheeseheadistan, Michele Bachmann is yammering about it now:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
To paraphrase, "Shut your asses up and get to work. We'll pay you what we feel like paying you"
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:14:51pm |
I decided to take a closer look at the fax that CA state Sen. Leland Yee got in January to compare with the threatening fax that Minnesota Rep. Betty McCollum got yesterday.
From first blush, there is a chance that they might have been sent by the same person. The reason I say that is because there was some slight editing of the letterhead from the fax that was sent to Yee, with the names changed from Yee to Eric Holder on the second line of the masthead, with the same non-standard font style and size used, and the masthead re-centered.
It also may be worth noting that the word "Marxists!" on the McCollum fax appears to be a grayscale rendering of a document originally printed in color, while the Yee document has the same word in the same color as all others on the document (disclaimer: this difference may be due to resolution differences on the fax machines instead of change in the actual document.)
Below are links to images of the two faxes so you can do your own comparison -
Warning: The language and imagery contained in both is extremely offensive.
Fax sent to McCollum:
[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
Fax sent to Yee:
[Link: sfist.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:17:00pm |
re: #233 HappyWarrior
The disdain for educators is just so fucked up beyond belief. My godmother was a teacher. She worked very hard and was the first person in my mom's mom's family to get a college degree. People don't have to like the union but they should have a little respect for the people who teach our kids. You'd think as someone grows older, they'd gain some perspective. As I've said. AT 23, I respect my teachers much more than I did at 13 since I realize how much they've struck my intellectual curiousities over the years. and there's no price on how thankless that is.
Right-wing disdain for teachers is closely related to theocrat support for homeschooling and school vouchers. The latter gives them a financial motive while the former serves as ideological cover. Homeschooling supplies, books, and various support services are already a very lucrative industry.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:19:28pm |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
Why shouldn't federal funding be used to help out with fees associated with abortions? What, do you think poorer women should be forced to give birth to a mouth they can't afford to feed? Why punish poor women?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:20:51pm |
re: #241 Shiplord Kirel
Right-wing disdain for teachers is closely related to theocrat support for homeschooling and school vouchers. The latter gives them a financial motive while the former serves as ideological cover. Homeschooling supplies, books, and various support services are already a very lucrative industry.
yeah, I know. Fucked up all of it.
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Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:21:23pm |
re: #242 eclectic infidel
Why shouldn't federal funding be used to help out with fees associated with abortions? What, do you think poorer women should be forced to give birth to a mouth they can't afford to feed? Why punish poor women?
Come to think of it...I don't think federal funding is in fact involved with costs associated with abortions, but of course I'd take no exception if such funds were available.
Abortion aside though...Planned Parenthood offers lower cost contraception - now surely you're not against that, are you?
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blueraven Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:22:46pm |
re: #244 eclectic infidel
Come to think of it...I don't think federal funding is in fact involved with costs associated with abortions, but of course I'd take no exception if such funds were available.
Abortion aside though...Planned Parenthood offers lower cost contraception - now surely you're not against that, are you?
They are not. Read: Hyde Amendment
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:26:29pm |
How to fix the budget! All financial problems solved forever.
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:27:55pm |
re: #239 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
To paraphrase, "Shut your asses up and get to work. We'll pay you what we feel like paying you"
I'm pretty much as liberal as they come, but renegotiating pensions and health care costs isn't what bugs me about all this. It's the fact that they aren't renegotiating at all, they're issuing cuts to these unions previously agreed upon benefits by decree. They're trying to take away the rights of the unions to negotiate. That's unacceptable.
Now, if Walker were to say "okay, we're going to have to do something about your pensions and health care why don't you come to the table and we'll talk about it." That would be one thing.......but that's not what's happening.
Let me also say, as a Democrat I am embarrassed by some of what I've seen down there. The upside down American flags, the comparisons of Walker to Hitler or Hosni.....this is unacceptable and it needs to stop. I also think if Walker drops his insistence that public unions aren't allowed to collectively bargain then the protests need to stop and they need to get back to work. Elections have consequences and my hunch is the majority -less than 50%- voted in the last election. They need to spend the next two years working phones, knocking doors, etc etc and they need to hammer the GOP in the next election.
I'm on the side of the unions here but only for their right to collectively bargain. I would encourage them to go on strike if that demand isn't met but if it is then they need to get back to work
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RadicalModerate Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:28:32pm |
re: #242 eclectic infidel
Why shouldn't federal funding be used to help out with fees associated with abortions? What, do you think poorer women should be forced to give birth to a mouth they can't afford to feed? Why punish poor women?
Oh, they've got a solution for that - one that they've used before and many would like to bring back.
[Link: www.salon.com...]
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:28:42pm |
re: #246 negativ
How to fix the budget! All financial problems solved forever.
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mr.fusion Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:29:29pm |
re: #247 mr.fusion
Elections have consequences and my hunch is the majority -less than 50%- voted in the last election.
Ugh, meant "didn't vote in the last election."
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:30:49pm |
OT, but there's a Flickr set that a local radio station put up that I found interesting:
Echelon Building 1: One Year Later
It's the building that got hit when that nutjob flew his plane into it. A year ago, it was a thriving business center. Now? Not so much.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:31:08pm |
Libya protests: Gaddafi acts on increasing unrest
Libya has taken a series of measures, including blocking internet sites and shutting off electricity to protest areas, to try to quell rising unrest.
Col Muammar Gaddafi's government has also reportedly offered to replace some top officials in a conciliatory move.
Media outlets loyal to Col Gaddafi have threatened retaliation against protesters who criticise the leader.
Emerging reports suggest a mounting death toll from days of clashes between security forces and protesters.
The mainstay of the unrest is in regional towns and cities, where many people live in poverty.
Foreign journalists operate under restrictions in Libya, so it has been impossible to independently verify much of the information coming out of the country.
But the BBC has confirmed that several websites - including Facebook and al-Jazeera Arabic - have been blocked.
And the airport in Benghazi, the country's second largest city, has been closed, amid reports that protesters have taken it over.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:32:18pm |
re: #252 Lidane
OT, but there's a Flickr set that a local radio station put up that I found interesting:
Echelon Building 1: One Year Later
It's the building that got hit when that nutjob flew his plane into it. A year ago, it was a thriving business center. Now? Not so much.
That was already a year ago? Wow, time flies. Sucks about what's happened to the business around there. I can't believe people were praising that crazy shithead.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:35:21pm |
Planned Parenthood also is very helpful to women who need mammograms. Preventative medicine does not get much more helpful than that! Just ask Dragon_Lady sometime. Back when we were just getting started and had no money... Planned Parenthood helped us not skip some essentials.
Anyway why do people pick on Nascar as oh so white & male? Not a lot of minority owners or drivers in Indy racing or motor sports in general. But I rarely see or hear folks call anyone but Nascar out on it.
Or has anti Nascar sentiment become a dog whistle for anti southern? Or is Indy car racing is ok because it is "up market"?
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:36:17pm |
re: #254 HappyWarrior
That was already a year ago? Wow, time flies. Sucks about what's happened to the business around there.
Oh, there are still businesses in the area. Echelon has multiple buildings. Hell, my university has a satellite campus in one of them. It's just that all of the businesses that used to be in Building 1 are now gone, because the building itself has been gutted.
I can't believe people were praising that crazy shithead.
I can. People can be stupid and thoughtless and cruel.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:43:43pm |
re: #255 Rightwingconspirator
Planned Parenthood also is very helpful to women who need mammograms. Preventative medicine does not get much more helpful than that! Just ask Dragon_Lady sometime. Back when we were just getting started and had no money... Planned Parenthood helped us not skip some essentials.
Anyway why do people pick on Nascar as oh so white & male? Not a lot of minority owners or drivers in Indy racing or motor sports in general. But I rarely see or hear folks call anyone but Nascar out on it.
Or has anti Nascar sentiment become a dog whistle for anti southern? Or is Indy car racing is ok because it is "up market"?
Oh come on... that's not a serious question, is it? Have you seen the sort of people that partake in NASCAR events? They make Walmart people look like shoppers on the Champs d'elysee. Cowboy hats and flip flops. And that's on a Sunday dress up race event.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:45:30pm |
Shameless page pimping but relevant anyway...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Breast feeding-Palin supported it before she didn't...
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:48:53pm |
re: #126 WindUpBird
:/
[Video]
Yeah. I broke my own rule of not criticizing other peoples favorite music.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:49:57pm |
Hamas sees opportunity in change in Egypt
With the prospect of a friendly post-Mubarak government, the Palestinian militant group sees a chance to break Israel's Gaza blockade. But the Egyptian revolt could also inspire Gazans opposed to Hamas rule
.
Despite the subtext about Gazans opposing Hamas the article doesn't provide much evidence to back up that hope.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:50:42pm |
Minecraft - "Diamonds"
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:50:58pm |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Well then, let's just diss every one less well dressed than the champagne and pinky in the air Formula One crowd...
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:51:18pm |
Man, you have got to love wingnuts headlines.
FBI: 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack
The probability that the U.S. will be hit with a weapons of mass destruction attack at some point is 100 percent, Dr. Vahid Majidi, the FBI’s assistant director in charge of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate, tells Newsmax.
Such an attack could be launched by foreign terrorists, lone wolves who are terrorists, or even by criminal elements, Majidi says. It would most likely employ chemical, biological, or radiological weapons rather than a nuclear device.
Thats right, at some point, there is a 100% chance that a group from several thousand possibilities will launch an attack using some sort of mechanism inside an unspecified timeline.
BRILLIANT.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:52:55pm |
re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Man, you have got to love wingnuts headlines.
FBI: 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack
Thats right, at some point, there is a 100% chance that a group from several thousand possibilities will launch an attack using some sort of mechanism inside an unspecified timeline.
BRILLIANT.
100 percent? Well now. That means any second now there should be a detonation of a...
[static]
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:53:50pm |
re: #264 Gus 802
100 percent? Well now. That means any second now there should be a detonation of a...
[static]
All odds are 50/50. Either it will happen or it wont.
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Big Joe Ghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:54:12pm |
re: #264 Gus 802
100 percent? Well now. That means any second now there should be a detonation of a...
[static]
There's a 100% chance the sun will burn out. We're all doomed.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:54:36pm |
re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Thats right, at some point, there is a 100% chance that a group from several thousand possibilities will launch an attack using some sort of mechanism inside an unspecified timeline.
It's just like Beck's caliphate theory. He doesn't know how long the insurrection could take. It might be days, or months, or even years. Everything is just vague enough to allow him to keep fearmongering and selling gold and seeds to the idiots for as long as he can.
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:55:17pm |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
re: #262 Rightwingconspirator
Well then, let's just diss every one less well dressed than the champagne and pinky in the air Formula One crowd...
Just pulling your leg Walter.
When I go to Pomona Raceway, the crowd looks pretty much the same whoever is racing. But more seriously Nascar has become IMO a dogwhistle as mentioned and that sucks. Just a poor excuse for contempt for fellow human beings.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:55:23pm |
re: #263 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Man, you have got to love wingnuts headlines.
FBI: 100 Percent Chance of WMD Attack
Thats right, at some point, there is a 100% chance that a group from several thousand possibilities will launch an attack using some sort of mechanism inside an unspecified timeline.
BRILLIANT.
there is a 100% chance some guy somewhere is eating ice cream with his hands right out of the carton
SCIENCE
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:56:28pm |
re: #226 Rightwingconspirator
We can argue if radio or tv ads would be better, but let's face it the Army has a tough sell, or should the Army not have a recruiting budget beyond recruitment offices?
Meh, that's what I get for not paying attention.
If they use it for recruitment and have found it actually works then I don't see it as a WTF anymore.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:57:04pm |
re: #262 Rightwingconspirator
Well then, let's just diss every one less well dressed than the champagne and pinky in the air Formula One crowd...
To me, NASCAR IS the pinky and champagne crowd :D
Races should be more like thus
RIP group B rally, you were the baddest asses
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:58:07pm |
re: #267 Lidane
It's just like Beck's caliphate theory. He doesn't know how long the insurrection could take. It might be days, or months, or even years. Everything is just vague enough to allow him to keep fearmongering and selling gold and seeds to the idiots for as long as he can.
I sent it a rather large seed order yesterday.
I'm going to actually use them though. :)
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:58:10pm |
re: #270 webevintage
I would not want to be their salesman. Tough job. If a kid of mine wanted to sign up I'd respect that but be terrified to my bone marrow.
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webevintage Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:58:19pm |
re: #272 WindUpBird
To me, NASCAR IS the pinky and champagne crowd :D
Races should be more like thus
[Video]RIP group B rally, you were the baddest asses
NASCAR is for pussies....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:59:18pm |
re: #259 Gus 802
Yeah. I broke my own rule of not criticizing other peoples favorite music.
I have my favorites in all genres ;-) I do tend to side with political hip hop, I don't get with the constant posturing
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 2:59:39pm |
re: #265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
All odds are 50/50. Either it will happen or it wont.
WMDs encompass a rather wide range of possibilities. Typically I think of nuclear devices. I remember soon after the fall of the Soviet Union there was talk of suit case nuclear bombs that would "soon" be used. I'm still waiting. Not to minimize the threat but we later saw what simple ingredients like fertilizer and nitromethane could do in the case of OKC.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:00:21pm |
re: #274 Rightwingconspirator
I would not want to be their salesman. Tough job. If a kid of mine wanted to sign up I'd respect that but be terrified to my bone marrow.
At one time I was one medical and one interview away from signing up. Did all the initial interviews and testing.
Things happened and I changed my mind.
My Mom who was supportive during the process cried in relief.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:00:38pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
there is a 100% chance some guy somewhere is eating ice cream with his hands right out of the carton
SCIENCE
There was a 100 percent chance that Iraq had WMDs!
//
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:00:51pm |
re: #269 WindUpBird
there is a 100% chance some guy somewhere is eating ice cream with his hands right out of the carton
SCIENCE
KRAGAR: 100 Percent Chance of Hand Job
The probability that Kragar will be hit with a hand job at some point is 100 percent, Dr. Heywood Jablomi, Kragar's assistant director in charge of Kragar's Are you in the mood Directorate, tells Newsmax.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:01:14pm |
re: #275 webevintage
NASCAR is for pussies...
Audi Sport quattro
Audi Sport quattro
Despite having won Audi the constructor’s championship in 1982, the original quattro’s design had some drawbacks that the use of four-wheel drive couldn’t overcome. The car was unreliable and heavy and its front-engined, monocoque design gave it clumsy handling characteristics. In response, Audi created the Sport quattro by chopping 320mm from the standard car’s wheelbase, swapping steel panels for the composite materials allowable under Group B regulations and extracting 450bhp from the five-cylinder, turbocharged engine. Now a much wieldier machine, Stig Blomqvist piloted it to the driver’s and constructor’s championships in 1984. Development didn’t stop there however, the Sport quattro S1, boasted over 600bhp by 1986, the year Group B was banned. Ingolstadt engineers later revealed that they had constructed a 1,000bhp prototype but that it was nigh on impossible to drive.
THAT is a race car Image: audi-sport-quattro-s1-811430b5bb7a65e1210d3106a5bd4786.jpg
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:01:32pm |
re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
KRAGAR: 100 Percent Chance of Hand Job
The probability that Kragar will be hit with a hand job at some point is 100 percent, Dr. Heywood Jablomi, Kragar's assistant director in charge of Kragar's Are you in the mood Directorate, tells Newsmax.
hahah "hit with a hand job" :D
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:02:44pm |
re: #282 WindUpBird
hahah "hit with a hand job" :D
I swear, I just sitting there when, out of nowhere, HAND JOB.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:03:03pm |
There's a 100 percent chance that an airliner will crash within the next 5 years.
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:03:10pm |
re: #268 Rightwingconspirator
re: #262 Rightwingconspirator
Just pulling your leg Walter.
When I go to Pomona Raceway, the crowd looks pretty much the same whoever is racing. But more seriously Nascar has become IMO a dogwhistle as mentioned and that sucks. Just a poor excuse for contempt for fellow human beings.
Well, I wasn't pulling any legs. I was interested in how many up dings I would get for a bigoted statement like I made. Interesting.
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MurphysMom Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:03:17pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Do you? How fascinating. Can you name some of these people?
My mother-in-law, for one, and quite a few of her friends - fiscally conservative all. They donate to PP because, as they put it, they would rather pay a few dollars now instead of a lifetime of welfare for that kind, who will never amount to anything anyway. Big donors to PP, the lot of them. Almost 40% of black pregnancies end in abortion. These women can claim credit for many of them. I love my mother-in-law – just not everything she does.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:03:34pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
There's a 100 percent chance of weather
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:03:43pm |
re: #284 Gus 802
There's a 100 percent chance that an airliner will crash within the next 5 years.
You're batting a 1000 today Kreskin.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:04:26pm |
re: #288 Walter L. Newton
You're batting a 1000 today Kreskin.
Thank you. For my next trick. I shall bend a plastic spork.
Watch closely please...
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:05:11pm |
re: #278 Jadespring
That's an epic great Mom.
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Blizard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:06:44pm |
re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I swear, I just sitting there when, out of nowhere, HAND JOB.
Heh. I do marketing/promo stuff for a glove company. Truly, a real 'hands-on' job.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:07:52pm |
re: #289 Gus 802
Thank you. For my next trick. I shall bend a plastic spork.
Watch closely please...
Next up, Uri Geller explains how magnets work...
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:08:50pm |
re: #290 Rightwingconspirator
That's an epic great Mom.
Yes she is. I really had no idea or inkling how scared she was until after.
She always been like that.
She has said, "Well I have always raised my girls to be independent, have their own minds and find their own way in the world. How can I complain and get upset when they actually do it?"
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:09:06pm |
re: #286 MurphysMom
Almost 40% of black pregnancies end in abortion.
This is a bullshit statistic.
Why is your mother-in-law donating to Planned Parenthood, when only 2% of their activity is related to abortion? Is she just dumb?
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:09:22pm |
re: #292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Next up, Uri Geller explains how magnets work...
Magnets are the work of mendacious Islamist left wing liberal Communists intent on destroying our way of life!
Oops. Wrong Geller.
/
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Daniel Ballard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:10:44pm |
re: #285 Walter L. Newton
Heh, I was curious who would stand up for F1. Are you cabbing anything interesting these days? I just got a look at some gold veined quartz, put in an offer. I think I underbid though.
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Talking Point Detective Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:11:31pm |
re: #286 MurphysMom
My mother-in-law, for one, and quite a few of her friends - fiscally conservative all. They donate to PP because, as they put it, they would rather pay a few dollars now instead of a lifetime of welfare for that kind, who will never amount to anything anyway. Big donors to PP, the lot of them. Almost 40% of black pregnancies end in abortion. These women can claim credit for many of them. I love my mother-in-law – just not everything she does.
Does your mother-in-law also log onto blogs to say outrageously ignorant things also, or are you the only one in the family who does that?
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:11:52pm |
Uri Geller. Still a douche.
Our research on September 11 in history uncovered many anomalies and perhaps a significant prophetic sign.
The most startling discovery was a book written in 1981, 20 years prior to the 2001 attacks, called "The Birth of Christ Recalculated". The author, Dr. Ernest L. Martin, claims to have calculated the exact date of Jesus Christ's birth based on the celestial charts for that era. The date of Christ's birth, based on the famous Star of Bethlehem, is calculated to be September 11, 3 B.C.. Dr. Martin's findings have been accepted by many scholars, theologians, historians, and astronomers. We also note that Jesus Christ has 11 letters. The crosses found standing in the ruins of the WTC, and the dominance of the number 11 in the 9-11 events, make this combination even more mysterious.
There is another significant religious event occurring about 2000 years later on September 11, 1999. According to Hebrew Scriptures September 11, 1999 was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation, and year 1 on the Hebrew calendar...
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:12:12pm |
re: #286 MurphysMom
What a bunch of bullshit. So many words, and so little substance.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:15:59pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
I like interviews with him where Randi is brought up, and Geller gets mad and starts talking about how Randi just gave him more attention and that's great and he loves it but it's clear that he's really fucking mad and feels humiliated by Randi.
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wrenchwench Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:17:48pm |
re: #294 Obdicut
This is a bullshit statistic.
Why is your mother-in-law donating to Planned Parenthood, when only 2% of their activity is related to abortion? Is she just dumb?
Yeah, you'd think she would donate to Kermit Gosnell's clinic.
/Yechhh
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Walter L. Newton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:17:54pm |
re: #296 Rightwingconspirator
Heh, I was curious who would stand up for F1. Are you cabbing anything interesting these days? I just got a look at some gold veined quartz, put in an offer. I think I underbid though.
No... I'm actually backed up with product right now... haven't made too much of an effort to sell over the winter... although I pulled in a few hundred dollars right before Christmas from some choker sales from the two shops up here that handle my stuff.
I have a legit jewelry shop in the Cherry Creek neighborhood in Denver that is interested in handling some of the chokers. I'm in the process of trying to set up a time/date we can get together and pick out some stock to display. Cherry Creek is upscale, and folks that shop in that area are always looking for "new" things to show off at their parties and soirées. That could be a good catch for me as soon as it's set up.
When I do get back to cutting, I have a large amount of mid quality opal that needs attending to. I also have two trays of already cut freeform opals that I'm thinking of trying to find a market for. I got all my opal almost 15 years ago, then the Australian miners first "discovered" the internet and started selling direct. The prices were really good then because there wasn't an established internet market yet, and the miners we happy to be getting so much more than they were going through brokers.
They've smartened up since then. You can still buy cheaper going directly to the miners, but the price are higher now.
So, long answer to short question, no, not cutting right now, opal is next on my schedule.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:19:23pm |
Damn, almost forgot I got a game tomorrow that I got to prep for.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:19:24pm |
re: #300 Obdicut
I like interviews with him where Randi is brought up, and Geller gets mad and starts talking about how Randi just gave him more attention and that's great and he loves it but it's clear that he's really fucking mad and feels humiliated by Randi.
Yep. The Uri Geller freakout. He also sued Randi for libel in Japan and won 4400 bucks since Randi didn't show up. He's a weirdo.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:20:18pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Yep. The Uri Geller freakout. He also sued Randi for libel in Japan and won 4400 bucks since Randi didn't show up. He's a weirdo.
The real question would be did Randi pay up.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:20:48pm |
re: #255 Rightwingconspirator
Planned Parenthood also is very helpful to women who need mammograms. Preventative medicine does not get much more helpful than that! Just ask Dragon_Lady sometime. Back when we were just getting started and had no money... Planned Parenthood helped us not skip some essentials.
Anyway why do people pick on Nascar as oh so white & male? Not a lot of minority owners or drivers in Indy racing or motor sports in general. But I rarely see or hear folks call anyone but Nascar out on it.
Or has anti Nascar sentiment become a dog whistle for anti southern? Or is Indy car racing is ok because it is "up market"?
Don't get me wrong, but I love going to a live race, whether it's a NASCAR-sanctioned short track or a drag. Here in Nashville, you're likely to get much of the NASCAR demographic when they run an IndyCar race down here as you would at a NASCAR-sanctioned race.
I think why NASCAR is getting so much heat in this thread for its sponsorship by some of the military branches when Pence and the GOP want to pull all Title X funding is exactly for its "Southern" history. Pence is pandering to people that think and want to believe the PP is "Abortions R Us", but won't remotely consider cuts in other areas that could be done, because it's all about ideology.
NASCAR has traditionally been and largely continues to be a white boy's club, though they have made strides in recent years; when you can count the number of black/minority owners and drivers in NASCAR's history on your fingers (and maybe your toes), you know it's pretty insular. NHRA, IndyCar, and other racing leagues have had this same issue to some degree or another, I'm sure, but NASCAR's white bread, good-ol'-boy image is a function of its genesis in the South and its early history (see Wendell Scott and what he had to put up with to race in early NASCAR).
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MurphysMom Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:21:19pm |
re: #294 Obdicut
Besides being largest abortion provider in the nation, PP is the only one in her area. Maybe she feels like she's taking care of the problem in her neighborhood. I honestly don't ask her a lot of questions because her opinions on this subject are upsetting, and she'll never change her mind. When I told her a friend's daughter was pregnant and the father was black, she said my friend's daughter should abort it because, after all, nobody's going to want to adopt a baby like that.
I got the 40% figure from another website - what is the correct number?
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:21:34pm |
re: #305 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The real question would be did Randi pay up.
Hmmm. Says right here...
Randi feels that, since the charge of "insult" is not recognized by American Law, he was not required to pay, and maintains that he has "never paid even one dollar or even one cent to anyone who ever sued" him.[
So nope. He didn't pay. :)
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:23:10pm |
re: #307 MurphysMom
I got the 40% figure from another website - what is the correct number?
What website did you get it from?
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:26:59pm |
Yes, yes. The Holy See. Still pro-life and still anti-contraception.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:28:58pm |
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:29:25pm |
re: #286 MurphysMom
My mother-in-law, for one, and quite a few of her friends - fiscally conservative all. They donate to PP because, as they put it, they would rather pay a few dollars now instead of a lifetime of welfare for that kind, who will never amount to anything anyway. Big donors to PP, the lot of them. Almost 40% of black pregnancies end in abortion. These women can claim credit for many of them. I love my mother-in-law – just not everything she does.
Nice statement just dripping with the racism in your life.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:30:52pm |
re: #286 MurphysMom
My mother-in-law, for one, and quite a few of her friends - fiscally conservative all. They donate to PP because, as they put it, they would rather pay a few dollars now instead of a lifetime of welfare for that kind, who will never amount to anything anyway. Big donors to PP, the lot of them. Almost 40% of black pregnancies end in abortion. These women can claim credit for many of them. I love my mother-in-law – just not everything she does.
I don't believe you
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researchok Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:30:56pm |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
Hopefully, one the now allowed titles will knock 'Mein Kampf' from the Arab best seller list.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:32:35pm |
re: #312 Stanley Sea
Nice statement just dripping with the racism in your life.
You gotta love these completely insane anecdotes that just perfectly slot into an LGf thread, magically, as if gifts from God
smells like bullshit!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:33:09pm |
re: #297 Talking Point Detective
Does your mother-in-law also log onto blogs to say outrageously ignorant things also, or are you the only one in the family who does that?
hahahahahahahahahaha
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:34:30pm |
re: #315 WindUpBird
You gotta love these completely insane anecdotes that just perfectly slot into an LGf thread, magically, as if gifts from God
smells like bullshit!
2nd time today some pop in poster references keeping the black population ("undesirables" was the previous poster's choice) down.
People actually type this shit out.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:36:44pm |
re: #317 Stanley Sea
2nd time today some pop in poster references keeping the black population ("undesirables" was the previous poster's choice) down.
People actually type this shit out.
Troll, probably not a mom at all, probably a dude :D
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:37:41pm |
re: #307 MurphysMom
Besides being largest abortion provider in the nation, PP is the only one in her area. Maybe she feels like she's taking care of the problem in her neighborhood. I honestly don't ask her a lot of questions because her opinions on this subject are upsetting, and she'll never change her mind. When I told her a friend's daughter was pregnant and the father was black, she said my friend's daughter should abort it because, after all, nobody's going to want to adopt a baby like that.
I got the 40% figure from another website - what is the correct number?
So you think that getting rid of Planned Parenthood would stop all abortions? Planned Parenthood make abortions available for poor and middle class people for the most part. Do you really think that if they disappeared the wealthy would not seek abortions? What difference do percentages make?
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:38:53pm |
re: #318 WindUpBird
Troll, probably not a mom at all, probably a dude :D
Conjuring Windy:
A 23 year old Vietnamese guy with a personality disorder.
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:39:38pm |
I find it a bit hard to believe that there are lots of people out there funding PP because they want minority women to abort their babies. There may be some, but a whole community of them seems unlikely. Perhaps they want poor women to be able to control their fertility?
However, I think the statistic comes from the Guttmacher Institute. I can't seem to get the website to load right now. My take on that is that black women (especially teenagers) don't have knowledge about or good access to contraception.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:39:40pm |
re: #22 Ericus58
"A longtime anti-abortion crusader, Pence has three times previously tried to cut off legislative funding, called Title X, for any group that provides abortions.
The money cannot be used to pay for abortions, and Pence has not argued that Planned Parenthood has used the funds to do so.
But he argues that cutting off support for millions of women’s health clinics would cut off their ability to perform the procedure."
Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]
Well, he in his own words admits to knowing that this will cut the ability of women to have health care.
Fucktard.
These people are trying to make women back into chattel in America
You want the real "culture war"? The culture war is this: so-cons want to take away your rights. That's their "culture". Old white protestant men running everything, keeping women as chattle, and having gay people demonized as pedophiles
"culture!"
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:39:47pm |
re: #320 Stanley Sea
Conjuring Windy:
A 23 year old Vietnamese guy with a personality disorder.
YES :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:40:18pm |
re: #321 calochortus
I find it a bit hard to believe that there are lots of people out there funding PP because they want minority women to abort their babies. There may be some, but a whole community of them seems unlikely. Perhaps they want poor women to be able to control their fertility?
She's lying, just say it, we all know it ;-)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:40:43pm |
re: #320 Stanley Sea
Conjuring Windy:
A 23 year old Vietnamese guy with a personality disorder.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:41:37pm |
re: #323 WindUpBird
YES :D
haha, it was originally in reference to that mis-mannerly person who once graced these pages.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:41:40pm |
i'm think i'm going to start referring to the tea party as "america's largest ignorance provider"
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:41:47pm |
re: #324 WindUpBird
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. My main point was that the 40% figure may be correct, give or take a couple points.
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sagehen Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:43:02pm |
re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Saddlebacking counts as abstinence, right?
It at least counts as contraceptive...
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:43:40pm |
re: #286 MurphysMom
I think you're full of shit and that you've got the bad breath and brown eyeballs to prove it...
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:44:00pm |
re: #321 calochortus
It's a bullshit statistic since roughly 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:45:15pm |
I look forward to the Republican funded adoption clinics and single mother housing which would also include meals and pre and post natal health care. All funded by Republican controlled state houses including from DC. Then there will be the Republican funded state orphanages and schools also including health care for those children. Why surely if they intend to reverse Roe v. Wade they also plan on providing a social infrastructure to meet the new challenges of an abortion free nation.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:46:20pm |
It would be hard to imagine a more perfect example of the "culture war" than this.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:47:09pm |
re: #332 Gus 802
I look forward to the Republican funded adoption clinics and single mother housing which would also include meals and pre and post natal health care. All funded by Republican controlled state houses including from DC. Then there will be the Republican funded state orphanages and schools also including health care for those children. Why surely if they intend to reverse Roe v. Wade they also plan on providing a social infrastructure to meet the new challenges of an abortion free nation.
Didn't we have some of this back in the good ol' days (orphanages and such)...and decide that it was bad juju?
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:47:51pm |
Not only will there be Republican funded state orphanages but they'll also fund college scholarships for the mother and the children.
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MurphysMom Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:48:35pm |
re: #309 Obdicut
I got the figure from a pro-life website, but you knew that already. Again, what is the correct figure and where did you get it?
My mother-in-law is in her mid 70's. Her views, and those of her friends, reflect the time and area she grew up in. I don't argue with her, people here don't believe in her. PP doesn't question her. She wins.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:48:49pm |
re: #334 talon_262
Didn't we have some of this back in the good ol' days (orphanages and such)...and decide that it was bad juju?
Don't know. But that was back in the days when almost everything had bad juju.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:49:33pm |
re: #335 Gus 802
Not only will there be Republican funded state orphanages but they'll also fund college scholarships for the mother and the children.
I doubt there would be orphanages. Or homeless shelters. Just tent cities and cholera.
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BishopX Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:50:17pm |
re: #338 Fozzie Bear
There has to be orphanages, where else will we get the cheap labor?
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:51:23pm |
re: #339 BishopX
There has to be orphanages, where else will we get the cheap labor?
Return of the workhouses...Charles Dickens would be so proud!
///
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:52:40pm |
re: #339 BishopX
There has to be orphanages, where else will we get the cheap labor?
From in front of the Home Depot nearest the tent city every morning at 8. Cash only, first come first server, never more than 8 bucks an hour. (That's how it already works in my town. Every morning in front of the home depot is a small crowd of "day laborers". (I.e., wage slaves))
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:52:45pm |
re: #332 Gus 802
I look forward to the Republican funded adoption clinics and single mother housing which would also include meals and pre and post natal health care. All funded by Republican controlled state houses including from DC. Then there will be the Republican funded state orphanages and schools also including health care for those children. Why surely if they intend to reverse Roe v. Wade they also plan on providing a social infrastructure to meet the new challenges of an abortion free nation.
i recall arguing with somebody back in the 80s who claimed that abortion was bad for parents looking to adopt, since it had led to an appalling lack of orphans
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:53:17pm |
re: #338 Fozzie Bear
I doubt there would be orphanages. Or homeless shelters. Just tent cities and cholera.
Yep. There would be none of the above. Just a pat on the head and words like "thank you for taking personal responsibility" and a list of local churches to seek charity. Everything would be run in the unicorn land of libertarian Republicanism so the only option other than the private sector would be charity.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:54:03pm |
re: #342 engineer dog
i recall arguing with somebody back in the 80s who claimed that abortion was bad for parents looking to adopt, since it had led to an appalling lack of orphans
Fucking UGGGGGHHHHHH...
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:54:06pm |
re: #340 talon_262
Return of the workhouses...Charles Dickens would be so proud!
///
And of course a few of them have been using child labor laws as some example regarding the Constitution. Need a citation I suppose.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:55:09pm |
re: #342 engineer dog
How did you restrain yourself from knocking that jackhole on their ass?
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:55:47pm |
re: #343 Gus 802
Yep. There would be none of the above. Just a pat on the head and words like "thank you for taking personal responsibility" and a list of local churches to seek charity. Everything would be run in the unicorn land of libertarian Republicanism so the only option other than the private sector would be charity.
The irony of it all is such a world would mean a massive drop in standard of living even for 99% of the "rich". It's an "everybody loses" scenario, and they don't care. Only maybe 1/100% of the population would actually benefit from libertarian policies.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:57:06pm |
Ah. Here we go...
State Senator Jane Cunningham Wants to Put Missouri Kids to Work
Jane Cunningham (R - West County) believes Missouri kids need to improve their work ethic so she's sponsoring a bill (SB 222) that would repeal much of the state's child labor laws.
According to the bill's official summary, children under the age of 14 would no longer be barred from employment. They'd also be able to work all hours of the day, no longer need a work permit from their school and be able to work at motels and resorts so long as they're given a place to lay their weary heads each night. Moreover, businesses that employ children would no longer be subject to inspections from the Division of Labor Standards...
Oh noz! She's another Republican. Bummer man.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:57:29pm |
re: #345 Gus 802
Hey Gus, wasn't this the bill that Rep. Weiner demanded they cite the constitution for (as no required) ? Wonder if they ever did....
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MurphysMom Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:58:03pm |
re: #321 calochortus
Perhaps they want poor women to be able to control their fertility?
Control fertility might be one way to put it. She believes that single mothers on welfare should be sterilized. She says that she'll pay for one kid, but no more.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:58:45pm |
GOP economic plan:
• Ban abortion.
• Repeal child labor laws.
• Repeal all welfare programs.
• Ban teachers unions.
...
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:58:55pm |
re: #350 MurphysMom
Control fertility might be one way to put it. She believes that single mothers on welfare should be sterilized. She says that she'll pay for one kid, but no more.
You know, I don't need to read you shit, it doesn't contribute one thing, it just degrades LGF. Go to another site with this nasty.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 3:59:36pm |
re: #349 Stanley Sea
Hey Gus, wasn't this the bill that Rep. Weiner demanded they cite the constitution for (as no required) ? Wonder if they ever did...
The recent one is from a state senator. See 348.
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sizzleRI Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:00:38pm |
re: #336 MurphysMom
I got the figure from a pro-life website, but you knew that already. Again, what is the correct figure and where did you get it?
My mother-in-law is in her mid 70's. Her views, and those of her friends, reflect the time and area she grew up in. I don't argue with her, people here don't believe in her. PP doesn't question her. She wins.
Fine, its a win-win. Your mother-in-law can feel like she is supporting her reprehensible goals and Planned Parenthood has more money to provide health services to poor women. You know, like the kind of services that detect and treat diseases of the reproductive system so that the women don't find out they're infertile from untreated Chlamydia and pelvic inflammatory disease when they want to have children.
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:01:05pm |
re: #350 MurphysMom
Control fertility might be one way to put it. She believes that single mothers on welfare should be sterilized. She says that she'll pay for one kid, but no more.
Seriously, nobody cares about your imagined liberal bogeymen.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:01:15pm |
re: #336 MurphysMom
I got the figure from a pro-life website, but you knew that already.
So why are you tossing it around as though it's accurate? And I didn't have any clue where you got it.
Again, what is the correct figure and where did you get it?
Given the incidence of miscarriage, it's impossible to tell how many pregnancies for any group end in an abortion. Medically, of course, a spontaneous abortion-- miscarriage-- and an induced abortion are the same.
The statistic is also absolutely meaningless without the corresponding rate of pregnancies.
It is a bullshit statistic, thrown around to promote the 'abortion is bad for black people' meme being pushed by the extreme right wing.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:01:27pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:01:34pm |
re: #354 Stanley Sea
No, I mean the defund PP bill.
Oh. Don't know. Here's the other child labor news...
Sen. Mike Lee Calls Child Labor Laws Unconstitutional
Last week, Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) posted a lecture on his YouTube channel where he explains in great detail his views on the Constitution. As part of the lecture, which is essentially a lengthy defense of his radical tenther interpretation of the Constitution, Lee claims that federal child labor laws are unconstitutional:
Congress decided it wanted to prohibit [child labor], so it passed a law—no more child labor. The Supreme Court heard a challenge to that and the Supreme Court decided a case in 1918 called Hammer v. Dagenhardt. In that case, the Supreme Court acknowledged something very interesting — that, as reprehensible as child labor is, and as much as it ought to be abandoned — that’s something that has to be done by state legislators, not by Members of Congress. [...]
This may sound harsh, but it was designed to be that way. It was designed to be a little bit harsh. Not because we like harshness for the sake of harshness, but because we like a clean division of power, so that everybody understands whose job it is to regulate what.
Now, we got rid of child labor, notwithstanding this case. So the entire world did not implode as a result of that ruling...
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:01:44pm |
re: #331 Obdicut
It's a bullshit statistic since roughly 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriage.
15-20% of "known pregnancies" end in miscarriage- the percent of miscarriages that occur so early that the woman never knew she was pregnant is, of course, a little hard to measure. Black women have a high rate of unintended pregnancies, and according to this article a disproportionately high abortion rate. I suspect a considerable correlation between being black and being poor is a part of the equation.
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sagehen Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:01:57pm |
re: #298 Gus 802
According to Hebrew Scriptures September 11, 1999 was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation, and year 1 on the Hebrew calendar.
That is factually untrue. We're currently in the year 5771.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:02:26pm |
re: #346 talon_262
How did you restrain yourself from knocking that jackhole on their ass?
good question
i don't even want to relate how ugly the issue became, but on the other hand we were in a crowd of people and this person was properly remonstrated
i even got written up in the school paper as an "abortion rights activist", but i had no desire to have a public profile
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kirkspencer Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:03:00pm |
re: #328 calochortus
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. My main point was that the 40% figure may be correct, give or take a couple points.
CDC says that in 2006 (most recent abortion surveillance), the abortion rate for black women was 33.9. The abortion ratio for black women was 459. The rate is per 1000 black women, the ratio is per 1000 live births from black women. Neither is 40%. (link)
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blueraven Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:03:04pm |
re: #350 MurphysMom
Control fertility might be one way to put it. She believes that single mothers on welfare should be sterilized. She says that she'll pay for one kid, but no more.
Why dont you stop hiding behind your "MIL". It is obvious to everyone that these are your views.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:03:51pm |
The "murphysmom" troll is still here?
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:04:33pm |
re: #350 MurphysMom
So your mom is completely unaware that most welfare recipients don't spend their whole lives on welfare? I think the average is a couple years.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:04:34pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:04:38pm |
re: #326 Stanley Sea
haha, it was originally in reference to that mis-mannerly person who once graced these pages.
The one with the fake kid whose age keeps changing and the fake boyfriend whose location keeps changing? :D
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:05:21pm |
The Paulification continues.....
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Glenn Beck's chief concern was that information sharing provisions end privacy rights. "My friends- say you did something in 1990 and were never caught. Now, if you're an enemy of Obama, like I am, he's probably reading through your history- who you dated, possibly who you had sex with. The President simply doesn't need to know this information!
The was a Fox news blitz all day long against the Patriot act that nobody seems to have even noticed.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:05:46pm |
re: #367 Lidane
Unfortunately, yes. =P
sucks that one troll with a made up story can take over a thread, I guess those are the internets for ya
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:06:16pm |
re: #369 Killgore Trout
The Paulification continues...
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
The was a Fox news blitz all day long against the Patriot act that nobody seems to have even noticed.
didn't Paul get like 30 minutes on the floor to yammer about the patriot act and then everyone ignored him? :D
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:06:46pm |
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:07:28pm |
Ron Paul on child labor...
So it is that child labor was relieved of its worst attributes not by legislative fiat but by the progressive march of an ever more productive, capitalist system. Child labor was virtually eliminated when, for the first time in history, the productivity of parents in free labor markets rose to the point that it was no longer economically necessary for children to work in order to survive. The emancipators and benefactors of children were not legislators or factory inspectors but factory owners and financiers. Their efforts and investments in machinery led to a rise in real wages, to a growing abundance of goods at lower prices, and to an incomparable improvement in the general standard of living.
See! It was the free market that eliminated child labor. We never needed and legislation and regulation. All we had to do was, wait. /
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:07:46pm |
re: #342 engineer dog
i recall arguing with somebody back in the 80s who claimed that abortion was bad for parents looking to adopt, since it had led to an appalling lack of orphans
hah! like orphans are just a product you purchase at walmart
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:07:55pm |
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:07:55pm |
re: #372 Lidane
The same Patriot Act they championed when Dubya was in office?
No, no. That one was run by real, patriotic 'Merikans. Not evil Muslim socialists.
Totally different.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:08:10pm |
re: #366 calochortus
Not only don't, but can't.
This whole hypothetical attitude is really bewildering. I mean, it's a good example of nutso thinking, I guess.
Supporting Planned Parenthood to encourage abortions in the black population-- even though the sum total of Planned Parenthood's activities likely increase the fertility rate and survival rate of children in the black population.
Makes no goddamn sense.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:08:12pm |
re: #376 calochortus
No, no. That one was run by real, patriotic 'Merikans. Not evil Muslim socialists.
Totally different.
there was a white republican in office, it was different
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compound idaho Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:08:55pm |
re: #374 WindUpBird
hah! like orphans are just a product you purchase at walmart
I know two men that spent some of their childhood in an orphanage. Both have done very well; nice families, nice kids (and grandkids), nice homes.
One tells me his adoptive mother used to drive by the orphanage and threaten to take him back if he got out of line. Don't know if it is true, but it makes for a good story.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:09:40pm |
re: #369 Killgore Trout
The Paulification continues...
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
The was a Fox news blitz all day long against the Patriot act that nobody seems to have even noticed.
Link's messed up.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:09:46pm |
re: #356 Fozzie Bear
Seriously, nobody cares about your imagined liberal bogeymen.
Well to be fair she did suggest that these people were conservative or at least fiscally conservative.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:09:54pm |
re: #379 compound idaho
I know two men that spent some of their childhood in an orphanage. Both have done very well; nice families, nice kids (and grandkids), nice homes.
One tells me his adoptive mother used to drive by the orphanage and threaten to take him back if he got out of line. Don't know if it is true, but it makes for a good story.
I'LL TRADE YOU FOR A NEWER MODEL, I SWEAR
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sagehen Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:10:03pm |
re: #336 MurphysMom
I got the figure from a pro-life website, but you knew that already. Again, what is the correct figure and where did you get it?
My mother-in-law is in her mid 70's. Her views, and those of her friends, reflect the time and area she grew up in. I don't argue with her, people here don't believe in her. PP doesn't question her. She wins.
Here's the factual numbers from people who know these things:
Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1] Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]
Forty percent of pregnancies among white women, 69% among blacks and 54% among Hispanics are unintended.[1] In 2008, 1.21 million abortions were performed, down from 1.31 million in 2000. However, between 2005 and 2008, the long-term decline in abortions stalled. From 1973 through 2008, nearly 50 million legal abortions occurred.[2]
Each year, two percent of women aged 15-44 have an abortion;[2] half have had at least one previous abortion.[6] At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45[4], and, at current rates, about one-third will have had an abortion.[5]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:10:20pm |
re: #381 Jadespring
Well to be fair she did suggest that these people were conservative or at least fiscally conservative.
it's sort of a planned parenthood in general boogeyman :D
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:10:28pm |
The problem with rabid pro-lifers like our troll friend here, is they don't realize that nobody outside their own delusional cult would attribute such incredibly dark motives to people working in women's healthcare. It just looks ridiculous to non-wingnuts, and yet they try, and try, and try to convince us that there is a movement of people who want to kill babies through all sorts of nefarious schemes.
MurphysMom, nobody except anti-abortion protesters thinks that way. Seriously. It's a peculiarity of your cult that this idea exists. It has no basis in reality.
Yes, there are probably a handful of racists out there who think minority babies should be aborted, but there's also people that believe that they have been abducted by UFO's, and who think they can fly. I doubt any of those people work at PP.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:11:08pm |
re: #377 Obdicut
Not only don't, but can't.
This whole hypothetical attitude is really bewildering. I mean, it's a good example of nutso thinking, I guess.
Supporting Planned Parenthood to encourage abortions in the black population-- even though the sum total of Planned Parenthood's activities likely increase the fertility rate and survival rate of children in the black population.
Makes no goddamn sense.
It's racist drivel, cloaked in a MIL excuse. Pathetic and belongs in the FoxNation comments. Or the Politico ones for that matter.
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:11:17pm |
re: #377 Obdicut
Logic. Not their long suit.
I've heard people carrying on about PP clinics being located in low income neighborhoods as "proof" that they were out to get minorities. How about they're located conveniently for the women most likely to need them. Geez.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:12:04pm |
re: #386 Stanley Sea
It's racist drivel, cloaked in a MIL excuse. Pathetic and belongs in the FoxNation comments. Or the Politico ones for that matter.
Exactly. It's all just bullshit that belongs in the fever swamps, not here.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:12:25pm |
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:12:38pm |
The joys of my wife watching the neighbor's kids after school. I get to explain to 5 grade school girls that synchronized screaming is not a game.
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:13:16pm |
re: #383 sagehen
Thank you. I tried to access that site, and for whatever reason, couldn't.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:13:21pm |
re: #387 calochortus
And just because a woman has an abortion doesn't mean she won't wind up with the same number of children as she would have if she didn't have the abortion.
A woman might have an abortion in her teens, and then go on to have five kids later in life.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:13:28pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
Change Obama to Bush and they would be singing its praises till the cows come home.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:13:44pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
FUCKING TRAITORS
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:13:49pm |
re: #387 calochortus
Logic. Not their long suit.
I've heard people carrying on about PP clinics being located in low income neighborhoods as "proof" that they were out to get minorities. How about they're located conveniently for the women most likely to need them. Geez.
people are so crazy 9_9
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:14:14pm |
re: #394 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Change Obama to Bush and they would be singing its praises till the cows come home.
And anyone who defied Bush (on anything) was unpatriotic!
"You're either with us or against us."
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:14:32pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Um, that's humor.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:14:46pm |
re: #395 Stanley Sea
haha daytime news reader Megyn Kelly, the last authority on Obama "going too far"
I think my local barista is more qualified
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:15:04pm |
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:15:14pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
now we are really in the bizarro universe
i wonder if all of those wingnuts who told me how unreasonable i was being for suggesting that the "patriot" act was stalinistic are listening...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:15:23pm |
re: #390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The joys of my wife watching the neighbor's kids after school. I get to explain to 5 grade school girls that synchronized screaming is not a game.
give them guitars :D
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:15:41pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
Ha ha.
They're just figuring this stuff out now? Cripes how long has the act been around? Well of course not. It was all a-okay when their guy was in charge cause you know he would nevah do anything nefarious with it. But now.....
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:15:42pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:16:02pm |
re: #402 engineer dog
now we are really in the bizarro universe
i wonder if all of those wingnuts who told me how unreasonable i was being for suggesting that the "patriot" act was stalinistic are listening...
I can't get too bent out of shape about the patriot act because I figured it was stuff we were already doing anyway :D
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:16:09pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
It's almost like Fox News never ran story after story when the PATRIOT act was being initially proposed, supporting the bill and mocking critics of the bill. For months on end. Except they did.
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:16:34pm |
I have the weirdest goddamn migraine right now. No pain, but tons of feeling of pressure and I'm slow to react to everything. I feel like I'm deep under the ocean or something.
If I start making zero sense, chalk it up to migrainey goodness.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:16:55pm |
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:17:07pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens."
No shit? That's what some of us were saying back when the Patriot Act was first proposed. You Fox News assholes called us traitors and communists for it.
To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it."
TOTAL bullshit. One of the fiercest opponents of the Patriot Act was the ACLU.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:17:07pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
OK Fixed. I want my edit button! :)
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sagehen Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:17:11pm |
re: #387 calochortus
Logic. Not their long suit.
I've heard people carrying on about PP clinics being located in low income neighborhoods as "proof" that they were out to get minorities. How about they're located conveniently for the women most likely to need them. Geez.
Or maybe they're located where the rents are affordable.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:17:40pm |
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Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:17:45pm |
re: #410 Lidane
No shit? That's what some of us were saying back when the Patriot Act was first proposed. You Fox News assholes called us traitors and communists for it.
TOTAL bullshit. One of the fiercest opponents of the Patriot Act was the ACLU.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:17:53pm |
re: #380 Gus 802
Link's messed up.
Ooops sorry about that...
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:18:29pm |
So now they care about the excesses of hte Patriot Act now the Obama is president and lol at Sam Sheperd referring to the ALCU as a "liberal hate group." Fox is a pitiful excuse for a news network.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:18:34pm |
re: #415 Killgore Trout
Ooops sorry about that...
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
But Sergey thinks that's satire. Or humor.
| 418 |
Varek Raith Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:19:09pm |
Anyone see foxnes anchors complaining about the "violent" slogan "kill the bill" chanted by the Wisconsin protesters?
Lol, it's not like the Teaparty said the EXACT FREAKING THING during the healthcare debate.
Wingnuts, sheesh!
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:19:11pm |
re: #410 Lidane
No shit? That's what some of us were saying back when the Patriot Act was first proposed. You Fox News assholes called us traitors and communists for it.
TOTAL bullshit. One of the fiercest opponents of the Patriot Act was the ACLU.
Lies R Us
| 420 |
HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:20:03pm |
re: #418 Varek Raith
Anyone see foxnes anchors complaining about the "violent" slogan "kill the bill" chanted by the Wisconsin protesters?
Lol, it's not like the Teaparty said the EXACT FREAKING THING during the healthcare debate.
Wingnuts, sheesh!
It's like they're not even trying to be objective. I've said it before. Fox's problem really isn't that its biased. Fox's problem is they let their stupid bias get in the way of reality.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:20:52pm |
re: #420 HappyWarrior
It's like they're not even trying to be objective. I've said it before. Fox's problem really isn't that its biased. Fox's problem is they let their stupid bias get in the way of reality.
Reality is biased against stupid.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:21:34pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
But Sergey thinks that's satire. Or humor.
I also think US didn't assist Voldemort, contrary to [Link: www.redesign.rumormiller.com...] . I think Voldemort did well (or not) on his own.
| 424 |
Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:21:48pm |
John Steward is going to rage on this one. I can feel it.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:22:25pm |
re: #423 Sergey Romanov
I also think US didn't assist Voldemort, contrary to [Link: www.redesign.rumormiller.com...] . I think Voldemort did well (or not) on his own.
Yeah. I was going too fast.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:23:10pm |
It's hilarious though that they think the ALCU is for the Patriot Act. Listen they can hate on the ALCU till the cow's come home but the ALCU has been critical of Obama from the left on civil liberties issues. Unbelievable that Fox is now concerned for dissidents now that someone they don't like is in office. Stupid hypocrites.
| 428 |
Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:23:31pm |
re: #424 Fozzie Bear
John Steward is going to rage on this one. I can feel it.
I imagine Fishbone's drummer could have strong feelings on this as well.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:24:12pm |
re: #417 Gus 802
But Sergey thinks that's satire. Or humor.
Is it? I just assumed it was true. It's tough to tell the difference between Fox News and parody.
| 430 |
Blizard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:24:32pm |
Boy this thread changed quick.
What part of the Patriot Act was Obama responsible for? I forgot.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:25:11pm |
but you know that the wingnut morons will now be claiming that obama changed the "patriot" act from what they believe was bush's utterly benign measure that merely extended the ability of the fbi to tap the phones of people with "terrorist" tattooed on their foreheads
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
| 432 |
Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:25:24pm |
re: #429 Killgore Trout
Is it? I just assumed it was true. It's tough to tell the difference between Fox News and parody.
That the thing. Hard to tell these days. I mean. It sounded like Fox News. lol
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:26:33pm |
re: #430 Blizard
Boy this thread changed quick.
What part of the Patriot Act was Obama responsible for? I forgot.
This was said again and again with each Bush Executive overreach. Once you give the Executive powers they didn't have before, regardless of party, they are not going to give it back.
| 434 |
Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:27:21pm |
OK Now I'm distracted again. Got to hear some other people's fucking music again. They're moving. Same old stupid beat over and over again. Pardon me while I kick something. Stupid fucks.
| 435 |
Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:27:59pm |
Simpsons v. Fox News
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sagehen Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:28:47pm |
re: #430 Blizard
Boy this thread changed quick.
What part of the Patriot Act was Obama responsible for? I forgot.
The renewal when it should have been allowed to sunset.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:29:26pm |
acarvin Andy CarvinTo the person who complained to npr's ombusman about me tweeting to much: please note you can unsubscribe at any time. Have a nice day.
If you are not following Andy, you are in the dark with the Middle East uprisings. Have a nice day.
| 438 |
Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:32:17pm |
Ok, this isn't satire....
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
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HappyWarrior Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:34:20pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
And just when you think you can't despise him anymore, he says something like that. What a jerk. It's hard to imagine a more stressful scenario than being forced to carry your rapist's baby and for Beck who will never have to deal with this to say shit like that is just horrible.
| 441 |
Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:35:54pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
So far tonight, my soul is not getting the love it deserves.
This just sucks.
| 442 |
Fozzie Bear Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:36:00pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
wow
He just keeps going lower. Then, when I think he can't go any lower. he goes lower.
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Lidane Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:36:01pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
As if I needed another reason to despise this man. WTF?
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Ojoe Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:36:46pm |
Formula One is more interesting than NASCAR, I think.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:39:51pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
OMFG...the stoopid, it burns!
Never mind that the Patriot Act was conceived and enacted by W and his Republican Congress...the wingnuts will turn anything into a reason to excoriate Obama, even if he didn't start it.
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Four More Tears Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:41:14pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
Is she wearing stripper heels?
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:41:40pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
By that logic any woman who refuses to have sex with any man is practicing eugenics.
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Jadespring Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:42:17pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
He crashed my computer.
I tried to watch it and the whole thing just shut right down.
That's own comment.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:42:44pm |
re: #445 talon_262
There's some speculation that the article is a satire. I can't tell.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:43:06pm |
re: #438 Killgore Trout
Ok, this isn't satire...
Beck Suggests Raped Women Who Choose Abortion Are Like Eugenicists
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:45:44pm |
GAH, Susan B. Anthony idiot bitch on Hardball.
So clueless. So unbelievably clueless.
It's 445. I don't care, I'm opening the wine.
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calochortus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:46:37pm |
Its time go think about making dinner. The wine comes later :-)
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Ojoe Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:46:56pm |
re: #452 Ojoe
Actually, maybe the Ferrari effort gets help from Italy.
No US support for US Formula One, though, I bet.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:47:19pm |
I'm gonna go fire up the big green egg. Lamb with a red wine and shitake marinade. Quinoa on the side.
BBL
| 457 |
Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:49:41pm |
re: #442 Fozzie Bear
wow
He just keeps going lower. Then, when I think he can't go any lower. he goes lower.
Beck is lower than whale shit...and that's an insult to whale shit.
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sizzleRI Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:54:27pm |
re: #447 calochortus
By that logic any woman who refuses to have sex with any man is practicing eugenics.
Honestly, I beginning to think that is the point of all this bullshit. How dare women refuse to allow a man to service himself and plant his heir?
That sounds bitter and all femnazi but after Beck went there I don't think its crazy
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:55:02pm |
re: #444 Ojoe
Formula One is more interesting than NASCAR, I think.
Whenever NASCAR does the road courses, it's plenty interesting...they just don't do it enough.
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Varek Raith Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:56:43pm |
Hey Glenn Beck,
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blueraven Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:56:51pm |
re: #445 talon_262
OMFG...the stoopid, it burns!
Never mind that the Patriot Act was conceived and enacted by W and his Republican Congress...the wingnuts will turn anything into a reason to excoriate Obama, even if he didn't start it.
It is a satirical website.
From the About page:
About RumorMiller
RumorMiller, is not a news site. It is the anti-snopes.com Founded on the belief that any man, even a mentally challenged one who breaths with his mouth agap furowing his brow in a vain attempt to understand the complex world around him, should be able to say anything about any other person, place or thing. We judge not on the character of your musings, but on its' brevity and humor.
[Link: www.redesign.rumormiller.com...]
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:58:16pm |
re: #448 Jadespring
He crashed my computer.
I tried to watch it and the whole thing just shut right down.
That's its own comment.
Glenn Beck: He will destroy your computer, kill puppies and kittens, and turn the sky as dark as sackcloth and the moon as red as blood!!!11ty
///
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:58:47pm |
re: #459 talon_262
Whenever NASCAR does the road courses, it's plenty interesting...they just don't do it enough.
I just want actual stock cars
Can't relate to tube frame race cars, not interesting to me
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 4:59:15pm |
re: #453 Stanley Sea
GAH, Susan B. Anthony idiot bitch on Hardball.
So clueless. So unbelievably clueless.
It's 445. I don't care, I'm opening the wine.
i has a beer
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:02:36pm |
won't you save the rape-zygotes?
for just pennies a day, your contribution will help keep women guilty, shamed, and in bondage
You'll recieve a photo of your rape victim, and a serious of sonograms depicting her unwanted baby, secure in your socially righteous duty that you have absolute domain over that woman's body
Call now! Glenn Beck did!
| 466 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:03:44pm |
re: #458 sizzleRI
Honestly, I beginning to think that is the point of all this bullshit. How dare women refuse to allow a man to service himself and plant his heir?
That sounds bitter and all femnazi but after Beck went there I don't think its crazy
of course it isn't crazy, these are pigs, this is actually who they are
It's not feminazi, it is what is actually happening, it is what these people believe, they have a fetish for punishing women
| 467 |
Four More Tears Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:04:46pm |
re: #466 WindUpBird
of course it isn't crazy, these are pigs, this is actually who they are
It's not feminazi, it is what is actually happening, it is what these people believe, they have a fetish for punishing women
Too bad they can't satisfy those urges in Second Life like normal people...
| 468 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:06:33pm |
re: #467 JasonA
Too bad they can't satisfy those urges in Second Life like normal people...
it's more sexy to social conservatives to know that real people are suffering!
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:09:05pm |
re: #461 blueraven
While it may be satire, it sounds like something that would be on Fox News/FoxNation. It's a damn shame that one has wonder if stuff like this is satire or real...
| 470 |
Varek Raith Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:10:59pm |
re: #469 talon_262
While it may be satire, it sounds like something that would be on Fox News/FoxNation. It's a damn shame that one has wonder if stuff like this is satire or real...
Like FoxNation's Horseman of the Apocalypse in Cairo story...
Lol
| 471 |
Meitantei Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:22:07pm |
One question aside is I don't get why we fund NASCAR in the first place. I mean, I'm under the belief that Congress doesn't subsidize the NFL or NBA, so what makes NASCAR special?
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Decatur Deb Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:27:55pm |
re: #430 Blizard
Boy this thread changed quick.
What part of the Patriot Act was Obama responsible for? I forgot.
The "still in use" part of it.
| 473 |
Blizard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:29:51pm |
re: #433 Stanley Sea
This was said again and again with each Bush Executive overreach. Once you give the Executive powers they didn't have before, regardless of party, they are not going to give it back.
I just assumed that was a concession, boy was I wrong! Politics are so naughty.
| 474 |
Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:36:50pm |
re: #471 Meitantei
One question aside is I don't get why we fund NASCAR in the first place. I mean, I'm under the belief that Congress doesn't subsidize the NFL or NBA, so what makes NASCAR special?
The NASCAR "funding" is allowing the Dept. of Defense to use $ to pay for advertising on NASCAR cars. Up in the beginning of the thread is a much better explanation. :)
| 475 |
engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:40:14pm |
it's friday, and belgian ale o'clock is getting closer and closer
| 476 |
Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:44:35pm |
Any SF Bay Area lizards out there who can suggest a good place for brunch on Sunday in The City?
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Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:49:17pm |
re: #476 eclectic infidel
Any SF Bay Area lizards out there who can suggest a good place for brunch on Sunday in The City?
Western Addition:
Hukilau
Frankie's Bohemian Cafe
Bluejay cafe
Haight:
All You Knead
Pork Store Cafe
| 478 |
Eclectic Infidel Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:50:21pm |
I'm on the Anne Rice feed on Facebook and she just posted something about Planned Parenthood coming under attack. She's on the side of Planned Parenthood but there's this annoying as heck Christian fundy making all sorts of fucked up claims about PP, abortion and sex.
I really f'ing dislike Christian fundamentalism.
| 479 |
lostlakehiker Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:54:58pm |
re: #229 engineer dog
geez, the teacher and police hate just keeps coming!
Republicans (the few who are actually republican in nature) simply do not have a worshipful attitude towards a badge. Get over it.
its good to cut down pointless people, stop political pensions; cops don't need money many make side deals with drug dealers and others. and why pay teachers only if that person is working and only by the hr at $ 8.50 per hrs, and no pension, the monkeys can get SS At 70 years old, if its still here to get.
[Link: frontpagemag.com...]
The police aren't even part of this political battle.
The battle, in the end, is about money. Wisconsin teacher compensation costs the state about $100 000 per teacher per year. Link is inactive on drudge, may be overwhelmed for a while.
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:55:09pm |
re: #477 Obdicut
Western Addition:
Hukilau
Frankie's Bohemian Cafe
Bluejay cafe
Haight:
All You Knead
Pork Store Cafe
is the open air cafe flor at market and noe still there?
haven't been over to that part of the city to check for a while...
| 481 |
Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:58:32pm |
re: #479 lostlakehiker
The police aren't even part of this political battle.
The battle, in the end, is about money. Wisconsin teacher compensation costs the state about $100 000 per teacher per year. Link is inactive on drudge, may be overwhelmed for a while.
BULL FUCKING SHIT. From Drudge, thanks Lost Lake, we really believe that.
| 482 |
Renaissance_Man Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:59:34pm |
re: #389 Gus 802
Fox News Blasts Obama for USA PATRIOT ACT
Excerpt...
The condemnation started with Fox and Friend's Gretchen Carlson saying: "I looked it up on Google and the Constitution specifically forbids the President from some of the powers in the Patriot act, like holding people without charging them, but Obama wants to arrest and hold anyone! This includes US citizens." To which a worried Sam Shepard added "what's worse is that the liberal hate groups like the ACLU are all for it. I'm afraid that he'll put his political opponents, the true patriots into that God Forsaken Island prison of his- Guantanamo."
As the day continued day time news reader Megyn Kelly warned "the Obama's patriot act contains provisions to allow Obama to wiretap any phone line without a judge's orders for any reason whatsoever. " "When will this unamerican behavior end? We saw Obama's need for control with all these crazy TSA rules- but now he's gone too far," she yelled exasperated before throwing her hands up and going to commercial.
Holy shit.
| 483 |
Obdicut Fri, Feb 18, 2011 5:59:35pm |
re: #480 engineer dog
Yes, it is. I don't like that place for brunch-- too many guys bitching about their dates the night before.
There's another Pork Store in the Mission that's good. Also, if you want Castro-ish fare, there's Little Orphan Andy's.
| 484 |
Renaissance_Man Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:00:42pm |
re: #482 Renaissance_Man
Oh, satire.
I guess it says something that I fully expected it to be a more or less accurate paraphrase of FOX.
| 486 |
engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:02:59pm |
re: #483 Obdicut
Yes, it is. I don't like that place for brunch-- too many guys bitching about their dates the night before.
There's another Pork Store in the Mission that's good. Also, if you want Castro-ish fare, there's Little Orphan Andy's.
thirty years ago, i was the only non-gay breakfast cook in the castro
i still know several ways to make hollandaise sauce...
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engineer cat Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:16:47pm |
re: #479 lostlakehiker
The police aren't even part of this political battle.
where is your documentation from the source that shows that?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:23:26pm |
re: #478 eclectic infidel
I'm on the Anne Rice feed on Facebook and she just posted something about Planned Parenthood coming under attack. She's on the side of Planned Parenthood but there's this annoying as heck Christian fundy making all sorts of fucked up claims about PP, abortion and sex.
I really f'ing dislike Christian fundamentalism.
Apparently in the affluent neighborhood that Ann Rice lived in in New Orleans, she was the only person besides one other with democratic signs in her yard during campaign season.
The other one was Trent Reznor :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:24:15pm |
I notice Drudge is ginning up the idea that Scott Walker is fearing for his life, lol
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:27:07pm |
re: #489 WindUpBird
I notice Drudge is ginning up the idea that Scott Walker is fearing for his life, lol
Fucking Drudge. How ANYONE believes anything on his site, I don't know.
I swear today I saw the combined IQ of LGF drop quite a few points. Sad day.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:33:04pm |
re: #490 Stanley Sea
Fucking Drudge. How ANYONE believes anything on his site, I don't know.
I swear today I saw the combined IQ of LGF drop quite a few points. Sad day.
Who was speaking favorably of Drudge, aside from the usual suspects?
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Blizard Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:37:41pm |
Retweet:
"RT @RepDianaDeGette: Deeply disturbed 240 of my mostly male colleagues voted to deny women access to affordable health care through planned parenthood"
twittersphere is going off right now...
Also, hopefully this was not in bad form? I just am fascinated by the events that unfolded today. I thought the full moon was yesterday? Weird stuff going on right now in any event.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:37:46pm |
re: #493 talon_262
Who was speaking favorably of Drudge, aside from the usual suspects?
Lost Lake was reporting what they said I guess. Whatev.
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Stanghazi Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:38:29pm |
re: #494 Blizard
Retweet:
"RT @RepDianaDeGette: Deeply disturbed 240 of my mostly male colleagues voted to deny women access to affordable health care through planned parenthood"
twittersphere is going off right now...
Also, hopefully this was not in bad form? I just am fascinated by the events that unfolded today. I thought the full moon was yesterday? Weird stuff going on right now in any event.
I always post tweets I see. Spread the info is my mantra. You are fine.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:39:31pm |
re: #490 Stanley Sea
Fucking Drudge. How ANYONE believes anything on his site, I don't know.
I swear today I saw the combined IQ of LGF drop quite a few points. Sad day.
people like that novelty, of the inflammatory drudge headline, it's like crack to them, they just suck it down
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:45:50pm |
re: #479 lostlakehiker
The police aren't even part of this political battle.
The battle, in the end, is about money. Wisconsin teacher compensation costs the state about $100 000 per teacher per year. Link is inactive on drudge, may be overwhelmed for a while.
Enough with the right wing think tank MacIver Institute bullshit.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Feb 18, 2011 6:46:14pm |
And, Government spending or no....
I LIKE NASCAR RACING.
And, yes, I'm a girl.
So, different people have different tastes, and your taste should not dictata how everyone's tax dollars are spent.
*rant off for now*
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Fri, Feb 18, 2011 7:03:10pm |
re: #498 Gus 802
Enough with the right wing think tank MacIver Institute bullshit.
I've never even heard of the MacIver Institute :D
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 7:05:45pm |
And here's some information for the McIver Institute suckers.
Board Members | MacIver Institute
Board Chair Fred Luber is a Milwaukee industrialist and philanthropist who has long been involved in promoting innovative public policies.
...
Fred Luber is a former campaign staffer for Governor Scott Walker:
Doyle Extremely Vulnerable Walker Announces First Wave of Finance Committee
Fred Luber, Chairman of Super Steel Corp of Milwaukee and George Dalton, Chairman and CEO of NOVO 1 will serve as the Finance Committee Co-Chairs.
"Twenty years ago, I was honored to help elect a young, intelligent Republican by the name of Tommy Thompson," said Luber. I see a lot of Tommy in Scott Walker, and am happy to help organize support and help him get elected in 2006."
You're getting your information (i.e. news and data) from a site run by the former finance co-chair to the same governor in question, Scott Walker.
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Gus Fri, Feb 18, 2011 7:08:07pm |
re: #501 Gus 802
And here's some information for the McIver Institute suckers.
Board Members | MacIver Institute
Fred Luber is a former campaign staffer for Governor Scott Walker:
Doyle Extremely Vulnerable Walker Announces First Wave of Finance Committee
You're getting your information (i.e. news and data) from a site run by the former finance co-chair to the same governor in question, Scott Walker.
And here's the skinny on Tommy Thompson:
In 2001, Nobel laureate physiologist Torsten Wiesel was nominated by Gerald Keusch (then an employee of HHS: director of the Fogarty International Center, the branch of the National Institutes of Health) for a position on an advisory panel in the National Institutes of Health to advise on assisting research in developing countries. Thompson, who at the time was Secretary of Health and Human Services, rejected Wiesel. Thompson's office rejected 19 of 26 nominations and in return sent résumés for other scientists that his employee Keusch described in an interview as "lightweights" with "no scientific credibility". When Weisel's name was rejected, an official in Thompson's office told Keusch that Wiesel had "signed too many full-page letters in The New York Times critical of President Bush." This incident was cited by the advocacy group Union of Concerned Scientists as part of a report detailing their allegations of politicization of science under President George W. Bush's administration.
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compound idaho Fri, Feb 18, 2011 7:22:26pm |
[Link: www.wasb.org...]
According to the Wisconsin Assoc of School Boards, the State average of total compensation per teacher is $81,390
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Querent Fri, Feb 18, 2011 7:58:01pm |
Moral Derpitude, Exhibit U -- as in unF'ingbelievable...
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Querent Fri, Feb 18, 2011 8:10:57pm |
re: #125 ralphieboy
I can only guess that the very concept of "planned parenthood" does not sit well with a lot of fundamentalist Christians and social conservatives: kids are supposed to just happen as the result of a wife doing her subservient duty to please her husband.
Bingo!
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b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire) Sat, Feb 19, 2011 10:00:20am |
re: #13 dannyhiggs
I honestly don't think EITHER should be funded by federal money. Just because you have a right to kill your unborn child does not mean you are entitled to federal funding for it. However, I find that those who are usually in favor of federally funded abortion tend to be of the "well meaning" crowd of people who think abortion is a necessity to limit the birthrate of "undesirables".
Well if this ain't the dumbest thing I've seen posted on LGF.
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