In this video, there’s a moment in which Rachel Maddow seems to be totally lost for words. I know how she feels. There are times when I just can’t believe how insane the right wing has gotten.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:22:30pm |
I didn't think Mormons believed in one singular antichrist dude.
Has the Mormon church ever disavowed Beck's rants?
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:22:54pm |
I am not ready to go there yet... but these are interesting times.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:23:05pm |
Jesus was about truth, love and caring. Beck? He seems to me to literally be the anti-Christ. The opposite of all Jesus called for.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:23:58pm |
Do Muslims have much of an "Endtimes" fixation?
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:26:16pm |
re: #4 Rightwingconspirator
Jesus was about truth, love and caring. Beck? He seems to me to literally be the anti-Christ. The opposite of all Jesus called for.
I could say the same about my landlord, perhaps we should use the name carefully?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:27:17pm |
WND is one of the craziest sites out there, and for Beck to be allowed to book him as a guest is an uber-FAIL on the part of Fox News.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:27:33pm |
re: #6 brookly red
Yes, that's why I tried to use the term in a more literal less fundie way. Like "anti-venom'.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:27:43pm |
re: #5 Decatur Deb
According to Wiki, yes, thus the 'latter-day' in their name.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
But nothing in there about an antichrist.
Lost of other interesting stuff, though.
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Big Joe Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:27:51pm |
Isn't Glenn Beck also mixing Shia, Sunni, and Wahabi beliefs all the time too.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:29:38pm |
re: #5 Decatur Deb
Do Muslims have much of an "Endtimes" fixation?
Some do, most don't. Ahmadinejad of Iran is known for his Millenarian rantings.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:29:57pm |
re: #8 Rightwingconspirator
Yes, that's why I tried to use the term in a more literal less fundie way. Like "anti-venom'.
indeed, sometimes people over react.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:30:38pm |
re: #1 Obdicut
I didn't think Mormons believed in one singular antichrist dude.
Has the Mormon church ever disavowed Beck's rants?
Interesting question. I wonder if the church is concerned about him or maybe they like what he's up to. It's hard to tell. His Mormon faith doesn't seem to be an issue that he brings up directly. I'm not sure but I think the version of the antichrist story being discussed is the evangelical version. I think the Mormons have a different story.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:31:13pm |
re: #10 mracb
Isn't Glenn Beck also mixing Shia, Sunni, and Wahabi beliefs all the time too.
He's too blinded by hate a stupidity to be bother to learn the differences between different sects of Islam. To him they are all "EVVVILL MOOSLIMS OUT TO FORCE THE WORLD INTO SHARIA!!!111".
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:31:58pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
I thought that Mormonism was a rather hands-on religion where you were really expected to take part in church life.
I know we have a Mormon or two around the place: can anyone shed light on this?
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:33:08pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
Okay this lady is not "the church" but you may find this worth reading.
A small excerpt
See, Glenn? Not only are Mormons supposed to feed the hungry and all that, but we do this so we don’t lose our salvation. It’s not just a nice thing to do, or a civilized thing to do, or an optional thing to do. It’s a commandment of God. And if I were you reading this passage, I’d be quaking in my tailor-made Keds.
Read more: [Link: www.beliefnet.com...]
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:34:29pm |
There's a moment in this video where Rachel Maddow seems to be totally lost for words. I know how she feels. There are times when I just can't believe how insane the right wing has gotten.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:34:29pm |
re: #16 Obdicut
I come from Mormon family. So I offer this too
[Link: www.oliverwillis.com...]
Even Mormon scholars in Mr. Beck’s own church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in interviews that Mr. Beck seems ignorant of just how central social justice teaching is to Mormonism.
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Big Joe Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:36:59pm |
re: #19 Charles
There's a moment in this video where Rachel Maddow seems to be totally lost for words. I know how she feels. There are times when I just can't believe how insane the right wing has gotten.
THat's how I feel in the beginning of almost every thread on here.... "What do I say? I'm so confused. Is this for real?"
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:37:32pm |
I am somewhat surprised that most folks cannot figure out that Beck is substituting one addiction: alcoholism for another: fanaticism.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:37:36pm |
re: #20 Rightwingconspirator
I come from Mormon family. So I offer this too
[Link: www.oliverwillis.com...]
Even Mormon scholars in Mr. Beck’s own church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in interviews that Mr. Beck seems ignorant of just how central social justice teaching is to Mormonism.
Wouldn't he have a mentor (Bishop?) who is supposed to help him stay on the read?
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:37:38pm |
re: #20 Rightwingconspirator
I come from Mormon family. So I offer this too
[Link: www.oliverwillis.com...]
Even Mormon scholars in Mr. Beck’s own church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in interviews that Mr. Beck seems ignorant of just how central social justice teaching is to Mormonism.
right about here I am apprehensive about judging others...
juss saying.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:38:06pm |
re: #24 brookly red
You? Apprehensive about judging others? Really?
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Jaerik Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:38:12pm |
I haven't met any other Mormons with an end-times obsession, and I've known and worked with quite a number. Most of them didn't even realize he was LDS until I mentioned it, and then they just shrugged.
Like I've said before, I don't think Beck's faith is much of a driving force in his craziness or his obsessions. It simply serves as a convenient "born again" story of redemption, which gives him a chance to separate his previous deplorable professional and personal decisions from what he does now.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:39:19pm |
re: #23 Decatur Deb
He'd have to be willing to listen. Seems unlikely he would.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:40:22pm |
re: #24 brookly red
I judge his words only. I suspect he does not even believe what he says, it may be all crap for showmanship and the shock factor.
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Tigger2005 Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:40:31pm |
"People are going to be saying 'the Antichrist' is the reason firefighters in your community shouldn't have Blue Cross & Blue Shield. It's going to happen, and you should know why when it does."
You know, the current level of crazy has been building for a long time. Now we have new levels of crazy ramping up from it. I'm not sure where it's going to take us before there's a "Have you no decency, sir?" moment and some measure of sanity returns. Maybe there won't be any such moment. The news is so diluted and compartmentalized these days. People can easily hear only what they want to hear.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:40:33pm |
re: #25 Obdicut
You? Apprehensive about judging others? Really?
In deed I am... I disagree with many but I don't judge.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:41:00pm |
"Motivation, that is vital to understand when you are dealing with people who thrive on chaos or want.. a new world order."
Projection, thy name is Beck.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:41:33pm |
"....store food and buy gold."
Yep, Rachel has the bottom line figured out.
The writers of the Bible, on the other hand, apparently did not endorse Beck's solution to the end-times threat:
"For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you [for] a sin." (Isaiah 31:7 KJV)
"They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity." (Ezekial 7:19 KJV)
"The idols of the heathen [are] silver and gold, the work of men's hands."
(Psalm 135:15 KJV)
"In that day a man shall cast his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which they made each one for himself to worship, to the moles and to the bats;"
(Isaiah 2:20 KJV)
From the look of it, we infidels and scoffers might fare better than a lot of believers if Jesus does happen to come back.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:42:31pm |
re: #33 Shiplord Kirel
"...store food and buy gold."
Yep, Rachel has the bottom line figured out.
The writers of the Bible, on the other hand, apparently did not endorse Beck's solution to the end-times threat:
From the look of it, we infidels and scoffers might fare better than a lot of believers if Jesus does happen to come back.
well yes there is that...
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Randall Gross Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:43:24pm |
From everything I'm seeing the GOP is trying to set up a faux state vs fed controversy or two in every state that they control the legislature in. It seems to be part of their strategy so the wiser pols in the Democrat party should not get too distracted by this crazy, now matter how dumbfounding it is. The real battle in WI will be when and if the NLRB comes into play.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:45:38pm |
re: #35 Thanos
From everything I'm seeing the GOP is trying to set up a faux state vs fed controversy or two in every state that they control the legislature in. It seems to be part of their strategy so the wiser pols in the Democrat party should not get too distracted by this crazy, now matter how dumbfounding it is. The real battle in WI will be when and if the NLRB comes into play.
Explain, please.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:46:52pm |
re: #35 Thanos
From everything I'm seeing the GOP is trying to set up a faux state vs fed controversy or two in every state that they control the legislature in. It seems to be part of their strategy so the wiser pols in the Democrat party should not get too distracted by this crazy, now matter how dumbfounding it is. The real battle in WI will be when and if the NLRB comes into play.
Gee, I hope that is true, cause if we really have run out of money a hard rain is gonna fall.
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Jaerik Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:49:01pm |
The most amusing (and depressing) part of this whole mess is going to see people retroactively pretend to have never watched or listened to him once his craziness finally gets him disowned by conservatives and Fox.
You know it's coming.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:50:29pm |
re: #38 Jaerik
The most amusing (and depressing) part of this whole mess is going to see people retroactively pretend to have never watched or listened to him once his craziness finally gets him disowned by conservatives and Fox.
You know it's coming.
LOL I have no TV... the only time I have seen him is here. How ironic.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:52:25pm |
re: #37 brookly red
Gee, I hope that is true, cause if we really have run out of money a hard rain is gonna fall.
What do you mean by 'run out of money'?
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:53:37pm |
re: #40 Obdicut
What do you mean by 'run out of money'?
uhhh, do the words deficit spending mean anything to you?
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Randall Gross Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:55:02pm |
re: #36 Dark_Falcon
If the law goes to court the National Labor Relations Board might need to get called in. That in turn could create a false sense of "our state" vs Obama in conservative minds, an end game strategy that will help get out the vote in 2012. All of the social legislation and targetted draconian cuts you see in various other states also come to mind. The GOP has zero positive items in their agenda -- things that they are for, so they have to rely on fear and negatives to GOTV.
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corgi Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:55:31pm |
Had to fast forward half of Beck's remarks or my brain might have melted... hate to say it but I have friends and family who really believe what he says (and these are supposedly smart people). As a former, life-long Republican, I find the current state of affairs incredibly discouraging. Not so much because I can't call myself part of the GOP any more, but more so because so many people are so deluded. It's really sad.
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:55:31pm |
Odd, I just took a gal friend and her new girlfriend up to the casino this week, and heard some odd crap like that from the new gal. Some stuff about a American Stonehedge somewhere in the south, the new world order and 12 secret dudes that are going to kill off most of the worlds people. I decided to just ask her to change the subject over my first impulse to leave her on the side of the road. Thankfully, my friend said she was not aware that her new friend was crazy.
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:57:00pm |
Beck really, really needs help.
Even the snake oil salesmen of old never went all the way crazy.
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:58:51pm |
re: #45 b_sharp
Beck really, really needs help.
Even the snake oil salesmen of old never went all the way crazy.
They did if they sampled their own product, which it seems Beck has done.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 5:59:20pm |
re: #38 Jaerik
The most amusing (and depressing) part of this whole mess is going to see people retroactively pretend to have never watched or listened to him once his craziness finally gets him disowned by conservatives and Fox.
You know it's coming.
Those people will someday be glad Beck has few guests and those guests he has had will be justly slimed by the association.
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Jaerik Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:00:35pm |
re: #45 b_sharp
Beck really, really needs help.
Even the snake oil salesmen of old never went all the way crazy.
I'm not sure he's crazy. I think he's riding the $25 million / year he's milking from his gullible, paranoid audience as far as he can go.
The guy is an ex-radio shock jock. He's just managed to tune into a particular brand of shock that's far more lucrative than his previous ones.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:01:48pm |
re: #41 brookly red
uhhh, do the words deficit spending mean anything to you?
Yes. They mean that you're borrowing additional money, beyond the money that you have, to spend.
So do you just mean 'deficit spending' by 'run out of money'? Cuz if so, we've been 'out of money' for quite a long, long time. Including during prosperous years.
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Randall Gross Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:01:50pm |
re: #49 Jaerik
Wingnuts are the biggest shiniest rubes on the boardwalk.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:02:08pm |
re: #19 Charles
There's a moment in this video where Rachel Maddow seems to be totally lost for words. I know how she feels. There are times when I just can't believe how insane the right wing has gotten.
Yeah, it's really tough to wrap my mind around the arrival of the anti-Christ being the subject of the highest rated news network in the country. It does not bode well for us or our future on so many different levels
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:02:11pm |
re: #44 avanti
Odd, I just took a gal friend and her new girlfriend up to the casino this week, and heard some odd crap like that from the new gal. Some stuff about a American Stonehedge somewhere in the south, the new world order and 12 secret dudes that are going to kill off most of the worlds people. I decided to just ask her to change the subject over my first impulse to leave her on the side of the road. Thankfully, my friend said she was not aware that her new friend was crazy.
Sounds like the Georgia Guidestones which some people call the American stonehenge
Wired Article [Link: www.wired.com...]
The strangest monument in America looms over a barren knoll in northeastern Georgia. Five massive slabs of polished granite rise out of the earth in a star pattern. The rocks are each 16 feet tall, with four of them weighing more than 20 tons apiece. Together they support a 25,000-pound capstone. Approaching the edifice, it's hard not to think immediately of England's Stonehenge or possibly the ominous monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey. Built in 1980, these pale gray rocks are quietly awaiting the end of the world as we know it.
Called the Georgia Guidestones, the monument is a mystery—nobody knows exactly who commissioned it or why. The only clues to its origin are on a nearby plaque on the ground—which gives the dimensions and explains a series of intricate notches and holes that correspond to the movements of the sun and stars—and the "guides" themselves, directives carved into the rocks. These instructions appear in eight languages ranging from English to Swahili and reflect a peculiar New Age ideology. Some are vaguely eugenic (guide reproduction wisely—improving fitness and diversity); others prescribe standard-issue hippie mysticism (prize truth—beauty—love—seeking harmony with the infinite).
What's most widely agreed upon—based on the evidence available—is that the Guidestones are meant to instruct the dazed survivors of some impending apocalypse as they attempt to reconstitute civilization. Not everyone is comfortable with this notion. A few days before I visited, the stones had been splattered with polyurethane and spray-painted with graffiti, including slogans like "Death to the new world order." This defacement was the first serious act of vandalism in the Guidestones' history, but it was hardly the first objection to their existence. In fact, for more than three decades this uncanny structure in the heart of the Bible Belt has been generating responses that range from enchantment to horror. Supporters (notable among them Yoko Ono) have praised the messages as a stirring call to rational thinking, akin to Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason. Opponents have attacked them as the Ten Commandments of the Antichrist.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:02:13pm |
re: #44 avanti
Odd, I just took a gal friend and her new girlfriend up to the casino this week, and heard some odd crap like that from the new gal. Some stuff about a American Stonehedge somewhere in the south, . . .
Um, no.
It's not here.
I would know about it.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:02:41pm |
re: #42 Thanos
If the law goes to court the National Labor Relations Board might need to get called in. That in turn could create a false sense of "our state" vs Obama in conservative minds, an end game strategy that will help get out the vote in 2012. All of the social legislation and targetted draconian cuts you see in various other states also come to mind. The GOP has zero positive items in their agenda -- things that they are for, so they have to rely on fear and negatives to GOTV.
I doubt that's a main thrust of Gov. Walker's plans. If its something that's been thought about, its likely considered as a side benefit.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:02:58pm |
re: #44 avanti
Odd, I just took a gal friend and her new girlfriend up to the casino this week, and heard some odd crap like that from the new gal. Some stuff about a American Stonehedge somewhere in the south, the new world order and 12 secret dudes that are going to kill off most of the worlds people. I decided to just ask her to change the subject over my first impulse to leave her on the side of the road. Thankfully, my friend said she was not aware that her new friend was crazy.
Ummm.. She was right about the Southern 'Henge' thing:
//www.automotto.org/entry/car-hendge-mover-over-stonehendge/
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:04:57pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
They did if they sampled their own product, which it seems Beck has done.
For the salesmen it was a short term, drug induced insanity, for Beck it appears the neurological changes are permanent.
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Jaerik Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:05:26pm |
re: #54 reine.de.tout
Um, no.
It's not here.
I would know about it.
They're talking about the Georgia Guidestones, which were severely vandalized several years back. Mostly at the behest of hyper-conservative paranoia-peddlers. The dude who did it even went onto Youtube to brag about it.
They were, in fact, covered with writings about the New World Order and various other popular conspiracies, but more of a quirky work of art than anything. There's really no reason for a group of government-topplers to carve their cunning plans onto some random slabs of granite in Georgia.
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corgi Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:05:58pm |
re: #46 wrenchwench
Welcome, old hatchling.
Thanks! Glad to be here, even though it's usually just in lurker mode :-).
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:06:36pm |
My summer garden starts are beginning to sprout (indoors under T5 lights). The first guys to poke up their heads are the ever reliable Yellow Pear Tomatoes followed by the tomatillos (red and green).
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:07:07pm |
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:07:38pm |
re: #49 Jaerik
I'm not sure he's crazy. I think he's riding the $25 million / year he's milking from his gullible, paranoid audience as far as he can go.
The guy is an ex-radio shock jock. He's just managed to tune into a particular brand of shock that's far more lucrative than his previous ones.
I'm sure it started that way, but now he looks intoxicated by the smell of his own crap.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:08:07pm |
re: #61 Obdicut
They are soo cute. Even Queen Elizabeth II likes them. :)
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:08:45pm |
re: #63 b_sharp
I'm sure it started that way, but now he looks intoxicated by the smell of his own crap.
Come now, I have it on good authority from many of his fans that his shit don't stink. In fact, it's reported to have the smell of warm cinnamon buns.
/
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:09:18pm |
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:09:40pm |
re: #56 Decatur Deb
Ummm.. She was right about the Southern 'Henge' thing:
//www.automotto.org/entry/car-hendge-mover-over-st onehendge/
OK, what is the tie in with the 33rd order Masons, the 12 dudes, the NWO ? Not to mention the CDC storing Germ agents to kill us off and put us in the millions of plastic coffins they have stored. Or has she just combined a bunch of stuff in one big bag of BS ?
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:10:15pm |
re: #58 Jaerik
They're talking about the Georgia Guidestones, which were severely vandalized several years back. Mostly at the behest of hyper-conservative paranoia-peddlers. The dude who did it even went onto Youtube to brag about it.
They were, in fact, covered with writings about the New World Order and various other popular conspiracies, but more of a quirky work of art than anything. There's really no reason for a group of government-topplers to carve their cunning plans onto some random slabs of granite in Georgia.
This is one of the reasons why the nuts freak out about them.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:11:13pm |
re: #70 Jadespring
Hmm try that again...
[Link: www.radioliberty.com...]
Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people. The American Stonehenge's reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones' emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to "seeking harmony with the infinite" reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.The message of the American Stonehenge also foreshadowed the current drive for Sustainable Development. Any time you hear the phrase "Sustainable Development" used, you should substitute the term "socialism" to be able to understand what is intended. Later in this syllabus you will read the full text of the Earth Charter which was compiled under the direction of Mikhail Gorbachev and Maurice Strong. In that document you will find an emphasis on the same basic issues: control of reproduction, world governance, the importance of nature and the environment, and a new spirituality. The similarity between the ideas engraved on the Georgia Guidestones and those espoused in the Earth Charter reflect the common origins of both.
Yoko Ono, the widow of John Lennon, was recently quoted as referring to the American Stonehenge, saying:
"I want people to know about the stones ... We're headed toward a world where we might blow ourselves up and maybe the globe will not exist ... it's a nice time to reaffirm ourselves, knowing all the beautiful things that are in this country and the Georgia Stones symbolize that. " (1)
What is the true significance of the American Stonehenge, and why is its covert message important? Because it confirms the fact that there was a covert group intent on
(1) Dramatically reducing the population of the world.
(2) Promoting environmentalism.
(3) Establishing a world government.
(4) Promoting a new spirituality.Certainly the group that commissioned the Georgia Guidestones is one of many similar groups working together toward a New World Order, a new world economic system, and a new world spirituality. Behind those groups, however, are dark spiritual forces. Without understanding the nature of those dark forces it is impossible to understand the unfolding of world events.
The fact that most Americans have never heard of the Georgia Guidestones or their message to humanity reflects the degree of control that exists today over what the American people think. We ignore that message at our peril.
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Jaerik Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:11:37pm |
re: #68 avanti
OK, what is the tie in with the 33rd order Masons, the 12 dudes, the NWO ? Not to mention the CDC storing Germ agents to kill us off and put us in the millions of plastic coffins they have stored. Or has she just combined a bunch of stuff in one big bag of BS ?
The latter. Conspiracy theories are like gravity: they always seek each other out and coalesce into one big theory, because by nature they are trying to find one simple explanation for all the randomness in the world.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:12:32pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
You're going to have to wait until summer.
Yellow tomatoes have always been a highlight of events held by my extended family during the summer. I love 'em. Keep us posted on the garden.
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:12:57pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Come now, I have it on good authority from many of his fans that his shit don't stink. In fact, it's reported to have the smell of warm cinnamon buns.
/
His warms buns likely do have a smell, but I doubt cinnamon describes it.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:13:23pm |
re: #71 Jadespring
Wow, that is some Extreme Bad Craziness.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:14:13pm |
Rachel Maddow said:
... to explain to their viewers what is happening in Wisconsin and
how it connects to Egypt, because the Muslim Brotherhood is organizing the Madison protest in order to turn Wisconsin into part of the Caliphate, so labor unions will destroy Israel, so you should store food and buy gold or something.
Rachel, Rachel, Rachel. There are an infinite number of 1950s doo-wop songs that express the angst of my forever unrequited love for you. In a parallel universe...
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:16:11pm |
re: #68 avanti
OK, what is the tie in with the 33rd order Masons, the 12 dudes, the NWO ? Not to mention the CDC storing Germ agents to kill us off and put us in the millions of plastic coffins they have stored. Or has she just combined a bunch of stuff in one big bag of BS ?
I still trying to figure out the 12 dude part. It sounds vaguely familiar.
The NWO is connected with the stones--they're one of the guides. The Mason just get slotted into most of these conspiracies---they're great for always being the sneaky secrety people because of all their history of secrety sneaky stuff.
I think the germ thing is from just before the last Presidential election I think. There was some nutty women who was supposedly in the army who did a you-tube video where she was supposedly spilling the beans on what was being planned. She saw the preperations with her eyes.
Of course Obama was involved somehow.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:17:10pm |
re: #68 avanti
OK, what is the tie in with the 33rd order Masons, the 12 dudes, the NWO ? Not to mention the CDC storing Germ agents to kill us off and put us in the millions of plastic coffins they have stored. Or has she just combined a bunch of stuff in one big bag of BS ?
I muffed the url. Take a look at NASCAR-henge:
[Link: www.automotto.org...]
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:17:28pm |
re: #72 Jaerik
The latter. Conspiracy theories are like gravity: they always seek each other out and coalesce into one big theory, because by nature they are trying to find one simple explanation for all the randomness in the world.
re: #72 Jaerik
The latter. Conspiracy theories are like gravity: they always seek each other out and coalesce into one big theory, because by nature they are trying to find one simple explanation for all the randomness in the world.
Maybe that's why Beck can have a new conspiracy explanation every week, each one, brand new. The gal that told me all the crap told me I needed to do more research, because all the info was out there, and I suggested she not limit her research to Fox news and moonbat sites.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:17:32pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
Wow, that is some Extreme Bad Craziness.
Yes but as far as crazy goes it's pretty awesome bad craziness. :)
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:18:51pm |
re: #76 negativ
Rachel Maddow said:
Rachel, Rachel, Rachel. There are an infinite number of 1950s doo-wop songs that express the angst of my forever unrequited love for you. In a parallel universe...
Or in your wildest dreams:
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:19:31pm |
re: #79 avanti
Do you remember when she was talking about the 12 dudes if there was any talk about women at all? Any mention of clans or clan mothers or anything alluding to Native American stuff. Any mention of treaties?
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:20:12pm |
re: #84 Jadespring
And any mention of the Queen of England?
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JoyousMN Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:20:46pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
My summer garden starts are beginning to sprout (indoors under T5 lights). The first guys to poke up their heads are the ever reliable Yellow Pear Tomatoes followed by the tomatillos (red and green).
mmmm...tomatillos. I love to use them in guacamole and in chili verde.
I'm assuming you must be much further south to be starting plants. I can't do that until late April here in MN.
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:20:54pm |
re: #77 Jadespring
I still trying to figure out the 12 dude part. It sounds vaguely familiar.
The NWO is connected with the stones--they're one of the guides. The Mason just get slotted into most of these conspiracies---they're great for always being the sneaky secrety people because of all their history of secrety sneaky stuff.
I think the germ thing is from just before the last Presidential election I think. There was some nutty women who was supposedly in the army who did a you-tube video where she was supposedly spilling the beans on what was being planned. She saw the preperations with her eyes.
Of course Obama was involved somehow.
She said the 12 secret guys control all the woulds wealth and governments and are waiting for some kind of human evolution or enlightening, but she seemed a bit unclear. I also think she was not pleased by my laughter during her presentation.
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:23:42pm |
re: #84 Jadespring
Do you remember when she was talking about the 12 dudes if there was any talk about women at all? Any mention of clans or clan mothers or anything alluding to Native American stuff. Any mention of treaties?
When asked to describe them, she said no one knows for sure, since they are so secret. Just some stuff about taking total control after reducing the world population. Please don't ask me to have her elaborate, I'm sort of avoiding the subject .
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:25:01pm |
re: #90 avanti
When asked to describe them, she said no one knows for sure, since they are so secret. Just some stuff about taking total control after reducing the world population. Please don't ask me to have her elaborate, I'm sort of avoiding the subject .
S'OK, we'll probably catch her on Fox.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:28:01pm |
re: #31 brookly red
In deed I am... I disagree with many but I don't judge.
I'll judge! Beck is the new Father Coughlin
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:28:18pm |
re: #53 Jadespring
That sounds like something Stanley Marsh 3 would do for laughs. 9 billion years ago, I used to pal around with his daughter Kat.
I love this so much. As glad as I am to be away from Amarillo, I would have loved to be a part of that.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:29:26pm |
re: #88 avanti
She said the 12 secret guys control all the woulds wealth and governments and are waiting for some kind of human evolution or enlightening, but she seemed a bit unclear. I also think she was not pleased by my laughter during her presentation.
Oh okay. That's stuff connected with Illuminati.
They are going to use vaccines to cull the population. They own the banks and pharma companies and control WHO. They are already putting sterelization agents in vaccines for women in 3rd world countries blah blah.
Also the US Federal reserve is connected in somehow.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:30:32pm |
re: #22 PhillyPretzel
I am somewhat surprised that most folks cannot figure out that Beck is substituting one addiction: alcoholism for another:
fanaticismfame.
FTFY
he's not a fanatic! He's not a fanatic, he's not crazy, he's gaming people. he's a PT Barnum. he knows what he's doing. Down to the fake tears che cries, created by putting Vicks under your eyes.
I get tired of repeating myself, ah well
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:30:41pm |
re: #75 Dark_Falcon
Wow, that is some Extreme Bad Craziness.
Dude, are you always into such understatement?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:31:37pm |
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:31:59pm |
re: #91 Decatur Deb
S'OK, we'll probably catch her on Fox.
Well if you ever see any mention of or Rima Laibow on Fox then that's it. She's one of the 'experts' blowing the whistle and trying to warn people.
You can find her all over you-tube.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:32:26pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
I'll judge! Beck is the new Father Coughlin
Without the Catholic Church to pull him back.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:33:36pm |
Oh and just to be clear I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF IT. Lol.
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Jaerik Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:33:57pm |
re: #79 avanti
re: #72 Jaerik
Maybe that's why Beck can have a new conspiracy explanation every week, each one, brand new. The gal that told me all the crap told me I needed to do more research, because all the info was out there, and I suggested she not limit her research to Fox news and moonbat sites.
There's a pretty well-established relationship between belief in conspiracy theories and feelings of helplessness. People with power in business, government, or society don't need to invent reasons why things are the way they are.
But people who feel powerless, and desperately want to find a reason why that's the case -- especially if it doesn't imply any fault on their part -- will jump at whatever retroactive conspiratorial explanation comes their way.
My personal theory is that the latest rise in conspiracy theories is directly related to the fact that the problems most troubling us have no easy fixes, and thus an increase in feelings of powerlessness that comes from it.
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William of Orange Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:34:05pm |
I'm an outsider. I've always viewed the USA as a nation of optimism. And I simply am lost for words that a lage majority is gullible to this tripe. LittleGreenFootballs is one of the corners of the internet which makes me think there are still people there are sane and reasonable.
Where did it go wrong? Was this the goal of Roger Ailes when he founded Fox News? Creating chaos in the world?
When will this all end? Let's ask Beck...
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William of Orange Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:34:57pm |
(Outsider means non-US citizen. I'm Dutch Frisian, as some of you might know.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:35:03pm |
re: #1 Obdicut
I didn't think Mormons believed in one singular antichrist dude.
Has the Mormon church ever disavowed Beck's rants?
I don't think random Mormons in the public eye get checked for theological correctness.
Also, if you start disavowing one thing Glenn Beck does, you'll be at it for days.
Months.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:36:20pm |
re: #13 Killgore Trout
Interesting question. I wonder if the church is concerned about him or maybe they like what he's up to. It's hard to tell. His Mormon faith doesn't seem to be an issue that he brings up directly. I'm not sure but I think the version of the antichrist story being discussed is the evangelical version. I think the Mormons have a different story.
The stuff he harps on tends to be evangelical, from what I've seen. Wider audience. No idea what he personally believes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:37:49pm |
re: #23 Decatur Deb
Wouldn't he have a mentor (Bishop?) who is supposed to help him stay on the read?
You can give a guy his bishop's phone number, but you can't actually make him care.
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Daniel Ballard Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:37:51pm |
re: #104 SanFranciscoZionist
If I could just get a photo of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir in a massive coordinated face palm.. Awesome.
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compound idaho Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:38:08pm |
re: #94 Jadespring
I was given some DVDs that will explain the whole conspiracy thingy. I have not watched them. Apparently that is because I am afraid to know the truth.
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:38:19pm |
re: #94 Jadespring
Oh okay. That's stuff connected with Illuminati.
They are going to use vaccines to cull the population. They own the banks and pharma companies and control WHO. They are already putting sterelization agents in vaccines for women in 3rd world countries blah blah.
Also the US Federal reserve is connected in somehow.
Wow, I think you nailed it. So she not crazy, she just believes crazy stuff ? I guess that's a bit better than making it up.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:40:21pm |
re: #107 Rightwingconspirator
If I could just get a photo of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir in a massive coordinated face palm.. Awesome.
When I saw the title "Men of the Tabernacle Choir" my first thought was "Calendar".
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:40:50pm |
re: #102 William of Orange
I'm an outsider. I've always viewed the USA as a nation of optimism. And I simply am lost for words that a lage majority is gullible to this tripe. LittleGreenFootballs is one of the corners of the internet which makes me think there are still people there are sane and reasonable.
Where did it go wrong? Was this the goal of Roger Ailes when he founded Fox News? Creating chaos in the world?
When will this all end? Let's ask Beck...
Beck isn't what Fox News used to be. The Fox News of 5-10 years ago sincerely loved America and featured sane people. They went clear around the bend post-2008, having made a calculated decision to cash in on the crazy.
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compound idaho Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:41:03pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
The stuff he harps on tends to be evangelical, from what I've seen. Wider audience. No idea what he personally believes.
Did you say harp? I think HARP is part of the grand conspiracy too!re:
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:42:05pm |
re: #109 avanti
Wow, I think you nailed it. So she not crazy, she just believes crazy stuff ? I guess that's a bit better than making it up.
a. good to hear from you.
b. yes I guess there is a difference, no?
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compound idaho Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:42:18pm |
re: #109 avanti
Wow, I think you nailed it. So she not crazy, she just believes crazy stuff ? I guess that's a bit better than making it up.
And she is probably not stupid either. It takes some ability to keep all that stuff straight too.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:43:22pm |
re: #114 compound idaho
And she is probably not stupid either. It takes some ability to keep all that stuff straight too.
It's no mean task to be the Dungeonmaster.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:43:42pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Beck isn't what Fox News used to be. The Fox News of 5-10 years ago sincerely loved America and featured sane people. They went clear around the bend post-2008, having made a calculated decision to cash in on the crazy.
What?
Seriously, what?
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:43:44pm |
re: #110 Decatur Deb
When I saw the title "Men of the Tabernacle Choir" my first thought was "Calendar".
I am re purposing my 2006 calendar...
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:44:11pm |
re: #109 avanti
Wow, I think you nailed it. So she not crazy, she just believes crazy stuff ? I guess that's a bit better than making it up.
Yes it doesn't sound like she's making any of it up. Everything she said is all lumped in with NWO conspiracy theory. In a nutshell it's a mysterious 'they' that is in control and going to change things to get us. Everything that happens is orchastrated.
So basically if someone believes in the NWO and the controlling global 'theys' then everything and I mean everything that happens is either evidence of it or is an example of things they are doing. Once someone has gone there it's very difficult to convince them otherwise. Any major event just gets added into it.
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roberta g Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:44:13pm |
re: #53 Jadespring
Thanks for the information, I live in GA and never heard of this
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:45:47pm |
re: #118 Jadespring
Yes it doesn't sound like she's making any of it up. Everything she said is all lumped in with NWO conspiracy theory. In a nutshell it's a mysterious 'they' that is in control and going to change things to get us. Everything that happens is orchastrated.
So basically if someone believes in the NWO and the controlling global 'theys' then everything and I mean everything that happens is either evidence of it or is an example of things they are doing. Once someone has gone there it's very difficult to convince them otherwise. Any major event just gets added into it.
Perhaps if we assigned each Lizard a conspiracy-theory/nutgroup to manage we could keep this crap straight.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:47:20pm |
re: #120 Decatur Deb
Perhaps if we assigned each Lizard a conspiracy-theory/nutgroup to manage we could keep this crap straight.
Muhahahaha!
reporting for duty sir!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:48:07pm |
re: #116 Renaissance_Man
What?
Seriously, what?
Seriously, I believe that. After 9-11, the stars of Fox were the Bush-era version of Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly, neither of whom was crazy. Hannity got much worse when he stopped being a double-act with Alan Colmes. Colmes kept him honest.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:48:52pm |
re: #121 brookly red
Muhahahaha!
reporting for duty sir!
You get stuck with "Wiseguy Takover of the Fed".
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zora Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:49:05pm |
re: #92 WindUpBird
I'll judge! Beck is the new Father Coughlin
part father coughlin with some clown thrown in...oh and add some of the guy from 'a beautiful mind' (played by russell crowe) whose schizophrenia led him to believe that he was spy.
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JoyousMN Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:49:26pm |
re: #102 William of Orange
I'm an outsider. I've always viewed the USA as a nation of optimism. And I simply am lost for words that a lage majority is gullible to this tripe. LittleGreenFootballs is one of the corners of the internet which makes me think there are still people there are sane and reasonable.
Where did it go wrong? Was this the goal of Roger Ailes when he founded Fox News? Creating chaos in the world?
When will this all end? Let's ask Beck...
It's no less outrageous up close. It's the big lie, repeated over and over. It's a compliant media that is just barely beginning to see that _something_ is going on. It's "the end justifies the means," for Fox. It's corporations valuing short term gains over long term. It's party over country. It's Grover Norquist's dream come true: government small enough to drown in a bathtub. It's a majority of people too focused on getting through the day to pay attention to the details. It's people seeing an African-American as president and it throws their entire world compass out of whack, and there are plenty of unscrupulous people who are taking advantage of their fears.
Oh hell, I don't know. I'm likely just talking out of my ass. I don't know what's causing the crazy, I just know it's a pretty scary time here.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:50:23pm |
re: #120 Decatur Deb
Perhaps if we assigned each Lizard a conspiracy-theory/nutgroup to manage we could keep this crap straight.
Well the great thing is, if you start at one place you will end up and pretty much every other place eventually. It all ends up getting connected together somehow. What Beck is doing right now is covering the more religious sides of it.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:50:52pm |
re: #123 Decatur Deb
You get stuck with "Wiseguy Takover of the Fed".
I can do that... be careful what you ask for. Me and Vinnie are calling on the fed as we speak.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:50:54pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Beck isn't what Fox News used to be. The Fox News of 5-10 years ago sincerely loved America and featured sane people. They went clear around the bend post-2008, having made a calculated decision to cash in on the crazy.
Fox, or rather Rupert Murdoch, has never been a fan of democracy or education in my eyes. Neither is good for the bread & circuses he sells. Just look at all the media outlets he owns worldwide - Fox is still, relatively, sane by that standard.
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:51:17pm |
re: #121 brookly red
Muhahahaha!
reporting for duty sir!
The conspiracy you get to track is the takeover of the UN by members of Proxima Centauri
.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:51:23pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
The Fox News of 5-10 years ago sincerely loved Republican America
FTFY
Fox News were the ones pushing the "dissent = treason" meme during the Bush years, turning anyone who questioned Republican policy or ideas into a terrorist sympathizer who hated America. They've been this way for years.
The only thing Beck has done is magnify what Fox has been doing for ages.
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Obdicut Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:51:39pm |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
O'Reilly was already attacking George Tiller as a 'baby killer' back in 2005.
He's always been a shithead.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:51:50pm |
re: #124 zora
part father coughlin with some clown thrown in...oh and add some of the guy from 'a beautiful mind' (played by russell crowe) whose schizophrenia led him to believe that he was spy.
Subtract Nash (from "A Beautiful Mind") and replace him with a crazy panhandler. Nash had real talent and ability, which he used at times to real scientific ends. Beck wastes the ability he may have with spouting Bad Craziness.
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theheat Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:52:01pm |
re: #120 Decatur Deb
I'm in the NW, so I'll take Sasquatches. Maybe we should assign this by region.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:52:40pm |
re: #126 Jadespring
Well the great thing is, if you start at one place you will end up and pretty much every other place eventually. It all ends up getting connected together somehow. What Beck is doing right now is covering the more religious sides of it.
Yeah--I started pulling on the Dominionism string a while back. There's no end to it, and a lot of deliberate identity shift through time.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:52:41pm |
re: #129 b_sharp
The conspiracy you get to track is the takeover of the UN by members of Proxima Centauri
.
excuse me this is the UN we are speaking of... Canada has no say in the matter.
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theheat Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:53:19pm |
re: #131 Obdicut
A horny shithead, if you read docs on the Smoking Gun.
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:54:02pm |
re: #135 brookly red
excuse me this is the UN we are speaking of... Canada has no say in the matter.
Say what?
OK.
I'm off to build crop circles.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:54:31pm |
re: #133 theheat
I'm in the NW, so I'll take Sasquatches. Maybe we should assign this by region.
Good, but think we'd be undermanned in LA and some of the desert states.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:54:57pm |
re: #136 theheat
A horny shithead, if you read docs on the Smoking Gun.
excuse me, but you say that as if it was a bad thing?
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:55:04pm |
re: #127 brookly red
I can do that... be careful what you ask for. Me and Vinnie are calling on the fed as we speak.
Okay well you might want to learn this before you go to Fed. At least so you know who you are dealing with.
[Link: www.theinsider.org...]
Knowledge is power!!!
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Interesting Times Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:55:12pm |
re: #133 theheat
Remember when you said the GOP wanted to treat women as broodmares? Well, you were wrong. They treat broodmares better.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:55:46pm |
re: #133 theheat
I'm in the NW, so I'll take Sasquatches. Maybe we should assign this by region.
I'm from Chicago, so that gives me all the Bill Ayers shit. Damn It! I wanted the Bilderbergs and Soros!
//
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Lidane Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:56:55pm |
re: #141 publicityStunted
Remember when you said the GOP wanted to treat women as broodmares? Well, you were wrong. They treat broodmares better.
I love how contraception is okay for horses, but not women. Gotta love that compassionate conservatism at work. =P
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:57:05pm |
re: #141 publicityStunted
Remember when you said the GOP wanted to treat women as broodmares? Well, you were wrong. They treat broodmares better.
The argument is that humans, unlike horses, have souls and so are subject to different rules.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:57:12pm |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
I'm from Chicago, so that gives me all the Bill Ayers shit. Damn It! I wanted the Bilderbergs and Soros!
//
follow the money and you can get there from here.
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compound idaho Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:57:24pm |
re: #133 theheat
I'm in the NW, so I'll take Sasquatches. Maybe we should assign this by region.
And just remember. If you cannot find any evidence to support the conspiracy, that is only further evidence of their ability to keep secrets.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:57:46pm |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
The argument is that humans, unlike horses, have souls and so are subject to different rules.
And the argument is still bullshit, no matter how they explain it.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:58:28pm |
re: #143 Jadespring
Well I'm in Canada. What should I cover?
The Loup Garrou infiltration of the Beiber cult.
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theheat Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:58:43pm |
re: #141 publicityStunted
This is only because of public outcry. Before, the GOP's solution was to round them up by helicopter, let a few get trampled and killed, and sell them to kill buyers to be shipped all over the country, packed like sardines, and die very inhumane deaths.
I've been involved with this for years. I'm quite aware of the GOP's collective stance where "broodmares" are concerned. It sucks dick, just like their attitudes toward women.
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compound idaho Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:59:18pm |
re: #143 Jadespring
Well I'm in Canada. What should I cover?
You may be in the clear. ooooor perhaps they are better at keeping secrets up there.
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avanti Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:59:31pm |
re: #114 compound idaho
And she is probably not stupid either. It takes some ability to keep all that stuff straight too.
Again, funny you should say that. I was conned into taking her out with us because my friend said "You'll like her, she smart like you" Sadly, at the time, that seemed a compliment.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:59:42pm |
re: #147 compound idaho
And just remember. If you cannot find any evidence to support the conspiracy, that is only further evidence of their ability to keep secrets.
That's the awesomeness of it. You can never be wrong. You just don't have the 'proof' yet. It does exists though. Just believe....
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:59:43pm |
re: #131 Obdicut
O'Reilly was already attacking George Tiller as a 'baby killer' back in 2005.
He's always been a shithead.
In a sane world, Bill O'Reilly would have been shamed off the air for his disgusting incitement against Dr. George Tiller. O'Reilly played a huge part in Dr. Tiller's murder.
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ProGunLiberal Sat, Feb 19, 2011 6:59:56pm |
re: #141 publicityStunted
Wow, that simply evil of the Republican Party. I have a song I would like to refer to the Republican Party, I've begun to like it a lot. It's below.
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theheat Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:00:04pm |
re: #143 Jadespring
That's easy. You get the Ogopogo monster.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:00:59pm |
re: #143 Jadespring
Well I'm in Canada. What should I cover?
Why is Justin Bieber a celebrity? Is it a media plot, or part of the coming caliphate?
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:01:20pm |
re: #151 compound idaho
You may be in the clear. ooor perhaps they are better at keeping secrets up there.
Hmm yes could be.
Though you never know we could be central HQ. I mean who would ever suspect little ole polite us.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:02:39pm |
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
Seriously, I believe that. After 9-11, the stars of Fox were the Bush-era version of Sean Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly, neither of whom was crazy. Hannity got much worse when he stopped being a double-act with Alan Colmes. Colmes kept him honest.
Yes, I know you believe that, but there is a large difference between 'promoting the Antichrist' and 'sincerely loving America'.
FOX has never 'sincerely loved America', Dark. It has always pandered to the victim-complex hate cult that is the modern American Conservative movement. The very motto of 'Fair and Balanced' is nothing more than a snide 'lamestream media' joke; a little nod and wink to say that hey, we know you hate those libs in the media, listen to us, we'll tell you what you want to hear. And that's been the MO for the entirety of its existence - telling low-information voters what they want to hear and making sure they don't get exposed to contradictory facts.
The fact that it rarely got into full-blown conspiracy theorising during the Bush years is not an indication that it 'sincerely loved America'. It merely reflects that during those years when a Republican was in the White House, promoting sedition was not going to play well to its target audience. Hating liberals never goes out of fashion with this audience, of course, and so that has always been the main narrative on FOX, but crazy, anti-government conspiracies? Heck no - the rest of the cult media, the radio, the blogs, there'd be no way to seriously make anti-government sentiment stick in the minds of the marks when there was a Republican government and the liberals to hate weren't running things. Now that there's a Democrat in the White House, things are of course different - their target audience is angry, and the Conservative cult media can go back to exactly how it was during the Clinton years, feeding the cycle of hate and anger that the marks are already feeling.
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compound idaho Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:04:13pm |
re: #158 Jadespring
Hmm yes could be.
Though you never know we could be central HQ. I mean who would ever suspect little ole polite us.
If we discuss this any further, we had better use the cone of silence.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:04:16pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:04:17pm |
re: #158 Jadespring
Hmm yes could be.
Though you never know we could be central HQ. I mean who would ever suspect little ole polite us.
You actually have an interesting cult with terrorist history. They're like Mean Hutterites with explosives.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Lidane Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:05:47pm |
re: #159 Renaissance_Man
FOX has never 'sincerely loved America', Dark. It has always pandered to the victim-complex hate cult that is the modern American Conservative movement. The very motto of 'Fair and Balanced' is nothing more than a snide 'lamestream media' joke; a little nod and wink to say that hey, we know you hate those libs in the media, listen to us, we'll tell you what you want to hear. And that's been the MO for the entirety of its existence - telling low-information voters what they want to hear and making sure they don't get exposed to contradictory facts.
THIS X INFINITY
Fox has never cared about anything but catering to the low information voter and about selling conservative victimization. They're next to useless. The only times at all that I saw cracks in the veneer were with Katrina, when Shepard Smith flipped his shit on the air and yelled at Sean Hannity. Otherwise, it's been a non-stop ignorance festival on there for years.
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brookly red Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:05:51pm |
re: #158 Jadespring
Hmm yes could be.
Though you never know we could be central HQ. I mean who would ever suspect little ole polite us.
we watch everyone comrade...
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:06:04pm |
re: #157 Lidane
Why is Justin Bieber a celebrity? Is it a media plot, or part of the coming caliphate?
The media is in on it. He's the first foray of a larger takeover strategy. He's winning the 'hearts and minds' of the young.
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zora Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:08:02pm |
there is a faction within the end of times folk that believe that alaska with be the last refuge in the time of tribulation.
But there was some things, about the natural resources, about the state, there are some things that god wants to tap into to be a refuge for the lower 48. And I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states. Come on you guys, in the last days. And hundreds and thousands of people are gonna come to the state to seek refuge...
[Link: www.economist.com...]
CNN's Jessica Yellin looked into the church's beliefs and reports that it practices speaking in tongues and also "teaches that Alaska will be a shelter at the end of the world."
[Link: www.rawstory.com...]
palin will benefit most (compared to other primary challengers) from the republican / end of times merger. and if alaska is the last refuge, is palin the prophet? curiouser and curiouser.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:08:13pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Beck isn't what Fox News used to be. The Fox News of 5-10 years ago sincerely loved America and featured sane people. They went clear around the bend post-2008, having made a calculated decision to cash in on the crazy.
Outfoxed is a good (not great) documentary about the rise and (de-)evolution of the Fox News Channel. Believe it or not, once upon a time the people in charge of FNC intended to do actual no-shit fair-n-balanced journalism.
But all the producers and journalists who were actually fair-n-balanced got fired and replaced by Sean Hannity.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:08:19pm |
re: #162 Decatur Deb
You actually have an interesting cult with terrorist history. They're like Mean Hutterites with explosives.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I lived in one of the towns they live in. They don't really do much now.
I used to serve some ice cream at Dairy Queen.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:10:52pm |
Madison WI local news video clips on protests:[Link: www.channel3000.com...]
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:12:31pm |
re: #169 Jadespring
I lived in one of the towns they live in. They don't really do much now.
I used to serve some ice cream at Dairy Queen.
Cool. Looks like most of the grief was in BC. ( blowing up power pylons and such). In the '60s I found a book on them titled: "Terror in the Name of God". Seems like they were ahead of their time.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:12:51pm |
re: #165 brookly red
we watch everyone comrade...
You just wait. You don't know whats coming. He's building an army and when he gives the order to all the Bieberites.....muhahaa
Beck is going to lose his mind.....
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:22:34pm |
re: #173 Jadespring
You just wait. You don't know whats coming. He's building an army and when he gives the order to all the Bieberites...muhahaa
Beck is going to lose his mind...
"Building an army", you say? So Soros is Saruman? That would make sense.
/kidding
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:25:15pm |
re: #149 Decatur Deb
The Loup Garrou infiltration of the Beiber cult.
Entirely unable to avoid an image of a werewolf with braces, pink lip gloss, and a cute matching scarf and knit hat, squealing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:28:59pm |
re: #157 Lidane
Why is Justin Bieber a celebrity? Is it a media plot, or part of the coming caliphate?
Speaking of teenage girls, watching my BIL try to deal with his daughter's first dating experiments from Afghanistan via Facebook is both funny and heartbreaking. I think each time one of these boys pops up, or something happens, he's torn between wanting to teleport home and hug her, or asking one of the snipers if they're SURE they can't get a clean shot at Tennessee.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:29:30pm |
re: #143 Jadespring
Well I'm in Canada. What should I cover?
All exposed skin, if you're going outside this time of year.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:30:25pm |
re: #159 Renaissance_Man
Yes, I know you believe that, but there is a large difference between 'promoting the Antichrist' and 'sincerely loving America'.
FOX has never 'sincerely loved America', Dark.
To be perfectly fair, I'm not sure it's a newsagency's job to sincerely love America.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:33:52pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
To be perfectly fair, I'm not sure it's a newsagency's job to sincerely love America.
Just The Onion, and for all the wrong reasons.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:37:42pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
To be perfectly fair, I'm not sure it's a newsagency's job to sincerely love America.
Of course it isn't. That people believe that this fictional news agency did or does speaks volumes, not only about the narrative they're being sold, but also about the biases of the viewer.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:39:44pm |
re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist
To be perfectly fair, I'm not sure it's a newsagency's job to sincerely love America.
I was just using that aspect of the pre-2008 FNC to contrast it with the insanity that now occurs on the channel.
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Smitty-Pete Sat, Feb 19, 2011 7:47:53pm |
Mormons definitely believe in the anti-Christ, as evidenced by this Mormonwiki article: [Link: www.mormonwiki.com...]
Additionaly, it's not that hard to turn many of the Mormon Churches beliefs into conspiracy theories that fit in quite well with Beck's. While there are many Mormons who do not believe in Beck's nonsense, there are many, many more who do, so much so that they consider him a prophet.
I have no doubt, whatsoever, that Beck considers himself a prophet. It fits in perfectly with the Mormon belief that all people can receive direct revelation from god. At least once a day, probably more, Beck prays for God to reveal the truth to him. That's what Mormons do. So, of course he believes that when his mind comes up with yet another (bizarre) conspiracy theory, it's god communicating to him personally.
I would never underestimate the power of Beck and his Mormonism, which gives him the absolute belief that he is doing exactly what God wants him to be doing. If you understand how Mormonism and direct revelation from God work, you understand how it's completely reasonable he thinks he really is a prophet, in the literal meaning of the word.
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theheat Sat, Feb 19, 2011 8:03:21pm |
re: #182 Smitty-Pete
But should Beck ever announce he's a prophet, the church will kick him to the curb so fast his head will spin. No way they're going to share that much power with some asshole with a TV show. They have too much at stake, and too many power mongers, themselves.
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Jadespring Sat, Feb 19, 2011 8:09:36pm |
re: #183 theheat
But should Beck ever announce he's a prophet, the church will kick him to the curb so fast his head will spin. No way they're going to share that much power with some asshole with a TV show. They have too much at stake, and too many power mongers, themselves.
Didn't he sorta already imply that he was when he dressed up like one on his show?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Feb 19, 2011 8:20:52pm |
re: #111 Dark_Falcon
Beck isn't what Fox News used to be. The Fox News of 5-10 years ago sincerely loved America and featured sane people. They went clear around the bend post-2008, having made a calculated decision to cash in on the crazy.
I distinctly remember the Bill o"Reilly that wanted to see San Francisco residents killed because they were unconfortable with military recruiters, that sure was the Fox News of 5 years ago!
We love America, as long as those Americans are Republicans in the heartland
if they're liberals, blow 'em up, the faggots
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sat, Feb 19, 2011 8:21:57pm |
re: #159 Renaissance_Man
It sure is a low hurdle!
"Well, they hadn't started getting anti-semitic, so i guess by default they love America."
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BongCrodny Sat, Feb 19, 2011 8:41:54pm |
re: #182 Smitty-Pete
Let me be the first to welcome you to LGF, young hatchling.
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Smitty-Pete Sat, Feb 19, 2011 9:18:26pm |
re: #183 theheat
But should Beck ever announce he's a prophet, the church will kick him to the curb so fast his head will spin. No way they're going to share that much power with some asshole with a TV show. They have too much at stake, and too many power mongers, themselves.
Yes, you're absolutely right. But this does not preclude a member, on his own, from believing Beck is a prophet.
In Mormonism there can be a difference between what the Church teaches as its doctrine, and what its members believe in addition to that doctrine. Members are allowed to believe things the Church doesn't officially teach as long they do not try to push that belief in official, and unofficial, Church venues. (That's a very simplistic explanation, but it works.)
Therefore, it is perfectly plausible that a Mormon will believe Beck is a literal prophet even though the Church does not say the same. He would get in big trouble if he tried to teach his fellow Mormons that Beck is a prophet, but on his own, he's free to believe whatever he wants.
Additionally, Mormons believe that if they pray about something, the resulting "feeling" is god answering their prayer. So, if a Mormon prays to god to know if Beck is a prophet, the response, which we all know would be nothing more than confirmation bias, is absolute proof to that person that Beck is, indeed, a prophet of god.
I have family members who have done exactly that. They believe Beck is literally a prophet, and you could give them irrefutable proof that he is wrong about something, and it doesn't phase them. God has spoken.
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 19, 2011 9:44:21pm |
Fine. Beck is peddling crazy shit. But there's a confirmation circle going here. Republicans are all crazy because Beck is crazy, Beck is going to be the Republican nominee, Ron Paul is, Palin is.
The Republicans are out to bust all unions everywhere. And on and on.
It's hyperbolic. Overblown. It gives no credit at all to half the nation, give or take.
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Lidane Sat, Feb 19, 2011 9:57:39pm |
re: #189 lostlakehiker
It's an obvious pattern. Under-reported. It points out that half the nation, give or take, is being duped and taken for a bunch of rubes.
FTFY
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lostlakehiker Sat, Feb 19, 2011 9:58:30pm |
re: #103 William of Orange
(Outsider means non-US citizen. I'm Dutch Frisian, as some of you might know.)
Given your moniker, it would be a natural first guess. Dutch, anyhow.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Feb 19, 2011 11:14:42pm |
re: #183 theheat
But should Beck ever announce he's a prophet, the church will kick him to the curb so fast his head will spin. No way they're going to share that much power with some asshole with a TV show. They have too much at stake, and too many power mongers, themselves.
The church would be in the right. Beck ain't no prophet.
(Why am I suddenly humming "Would Jesus Wear A Rolex on His Television Show"?)
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 20, 2011 2:19:52am |
re: #142 Dark_Falcon
I'm from Chicago, so that gives me all the Bill Ayers shit. Damn It! I wanted the Bilderbergs and Soros!
//
I'm in Russia, so... uh... where to start...
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mr.fusion Sun, Feb 20, 2011 4:31:11am |
re: #19 Charles
There's a moment in this video where Rachel Maddow seems to be totally lost for words. I know how she feels. There are times when I just can't believe how insane the right wing has gotten.
I seriously can't take it anymore. It's not the craziness that is so depressing....it's the widespread acceptance of the craziness by those who are supposed to be our intellectual leaders (pols and pundits) and just the everyday run of the mill Americans. I've seen family members that I love dearly buying into some of this nonsense and it depresses me to no end.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 20, 2011 4:34:54am |
re: #189 lostlakehiker
Fine. Beck is peddling crazy shit. But there's a confirmation circle going here. Republicans are all crazy because Beck is crazy, Beck is going to be the Republican nominee, Ron Paul is, Palin is.
The Republicans are out to bust all unions everywhere. And on and on.
It's hyperbolic. Overblown. It gives no credit at all to half the nation, give or take.
Hyperbolic as in when someone claims that supporting Pinochet was OK as long as it stopped "Communism", although Allende was not a Communist and Communist takeover was not imminent? Overblown as in stating that Communism has certainly committed "100 million murders", although such a statistic is not supported by the data? Not giving credit, as in when one doesn't give any credit to the choice of the people of Chili? Yeah, some people do that here. But mostly I think it is pointed out that the Republican politicians are crazy (and it's true).
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 20, 2011 5:17:13am |
re: #1 Obdicut
I didn't think Mormons believed in one singular antichrist dude.
Has the Mormon church ever disavowed Beck's rants?
There doesn't seem to be a single official LDS interpretation of the anti-Christ mentioned in the Revelation. But whatever Beck says on the issue, LDS bears some responsibility for it because they pimped him as a convert:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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lostlakehiker Sun, Feb 20, 2011 9:03:32am |
re: #195 Sergey Romanov
Hyperbolic as in when someone claims that supporting Pinochet was OK as long as it stopped "Communism", although Allende was not a Communist and Communist takeover was not imminent? Overblown as in stating that Communism has certainly committed "100 million murders", although such a statistic is not supported by the data? Not giving credit, as in when one doesn't give any credit to the choice of the people of Chili? Yeah, some people do that here. But mostly I think it is pointed out that the Republican politicians are crazy (and it's true).
The Black Book of Communism gives details. This statistic has been meticulously documented. It is, of course, a rough number. It might have been 104275287.
That book's not the only source, though the rest of the source material is distributed, a piece here and a piece there. The writings of Solzhenitsyn confirm some of the details. Vassily Grossman's book "Life and Fate" slips in a passage about the Ukrainian famine. Dith Pran's account of the Killing Fields of Cambodia is relevant.
Communism, if it were not for Nazism, would have been the pinnacle of organized evil in all of history. But from Walter Duranty's lying reports in the New York Times denying the famine Stalin engineered in the Ukraine, [a lusty start on that 100 million, and a start that Duranty saw with his own eyes] down to the current day, there have always been apologists for Communism. There have always been those who say that these bad things didn't happen, or were isolated small scale incidental defects to a generally praiseworthy movement.
Mass murder isn't an incidental defect of some Communist outliers. It's a feature of Communism.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, Feb 20, 2011 9:08:31am |
re: #197 lostlakehiker
The Black Book of Communism gives details.
No, it doesn't. You must've missed what I wrote here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
That book's not the only source, though the rest of the source material is distributed, a piece here and a piece there. The writings of Solzhenitsyn confirm some of the details. Vassily Grossman's book "Life and Fate" slips in a passage about the Ukrainian famine. Dith Pran's account of the Killing Fields of Cambodia is relevant.
You're confused, methinks. We're talking about quantitative side of things here, not qualitative, so neither Solzhenitsyn nor Grossman are relevant. (Solzhenitsyn is known, by the way, for promoting some statistics about repressions taken basically from thin air and then justifying this trickery by saying that since the govt hides the data it's permissible to make any estimates whatsoever. Hardly a credible source of stats.)
Fantasies about Communist takeover, though, do not justify apologia for Pinochet or the Contras.
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