Gov. Scott Walker: Anti-Union and Anti-Women

The Republican war on women’s rights, Wisconsin chapter
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Wisconsin’s Republican Governor Scott Walker is not only trying to destroy public employees’ unions. For years, he’s also been working hard to force women back into the Dark Ages: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s Abortion Crusade.

Walker’s nearly nine-year record in the Wisconsin Assembly, the legislature’s lower house, reads like a pro-life handbook, an all-out assault on abortion rights. What’s more, the many anti-abortion initiatives he backed are perfectly in sync with the assault on reproductive rights now unfolding on the national level, where House Republicans recently gutted funding for Planned Parenthood and controversially tried to redefine “rape” to limit the long-standing exceptions to the Hyde Amendment, which bans federal funding for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or to save a mother’s life. …

In November 1996, Walker and Assemblywoman Bonnie Ladwig R-Caledonia announced plans to introduce a bill banning “partial-birth” abortions, or what’s medically known as dilation and extraction. Anti-abortion groups have condemned the practice, but groups that back abortion rights argue the procedure could save a woman’s life in the case of severe late-term complications during a pregnancy. Walker said partial-birth abortions are “never needed” to save lives, adding, “This procedure is not a medically recognized procedure.” (NPR has a good explainer of the procedure here.)

Walker’s effort to ban dilation and extraction mirrored an eight-year-long battle on the federal level to ban the practice. That federal fight culminated in 2003 when President George W. Bush signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, outlawing the procedure. In 2007, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of that law.

In 1997, Walker’s abortion crusade continued with a proposal banning state and local government employees from “promoting, encouraging, or counseling in favor of abortion services.” Walker’s proposal would also block “public facilities or public institutions or any equipment or any other physical asset that is owned, leased, or controlled by this state, an agency, or a local government unit” from offering abortions. Public employees would be subject to a $1,000 fine if they discussed abortions. The proposal caused a firestorm because of how it would affect the University of Wisconsin, which didn’t provide abortions but did teach and discuss them. One Democratic Assemblyman, Sheldon Wasserman of Milwaukee, said Walker’s proposal was tantamount to censorship. “It’s an outrageous and extreme position to say we’re not going to teach things to save people’s lives,” Wasserman was quoted as saying in the Capital Times. “Even the most avid pro-life people will say that. I don’t think [Assembly Republicans] know what they’re doing.”

According to the Capital Times, Wisconsin Assembly Republicans also gutted the $4 million budget for family planning resources in Wisconsin, not to mention ending all state funding for Planned Parenthood. They also proposed making it mandatory that parents be notified if their child tried to get a birth control prescription.

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330 comments
1 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 12:51:18pm

God's plan...

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 12:54:57pm

I haven't found any statements from Scott Walker on it, but I'd be willing to bet he's also a creationist.

3 iceweasel  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 12:57:17pm
They also proposed making it mandatory that parents be notified if their child tried to get a birth control prescription.

A prescription? Where from and from what insurance plan, without planned parenthood?

besides, some pharmacists apparently can just refuse to dispense it.

4 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:01:44pm

Jackie Speier's speech is a fantastic counterpoint to the insanity of Scott Walker and the women hating crowd.

5 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:01:45pm

re: #3 iceweasel

A prescription? Where from and from what insurance plan, without planned parenthood?

besides, some pharmacists apparently can just refuse to dispense it.

Wingnuts assume that kids will just abstain if they can't get contraception. Because, you know, the sex drive isn't powerful enough to overcome reason during the teenage developmental years./

6 elizajane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:02:05pm

Clearly I missed something in the 2010 elections. I mean, surely the citizens of Wisconsin knew that if they voted for this man, public unions would be decimated while women's bodies would become entirely state controlled and (see my recent Page) state-owned utility infrastructure would be privatized in no-bid sales. Walker obviously had a clear record. So why wasn't there more general discussion over what was at stake here? Why were we only watching Florida, and not Wisconsin. And really, what was Wisconsin thinking???

7 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:03:13pm

re: #5 Fozzie Bear

Wingnuts assume that kids will just abstain if they can't get contraception. Because, you know, the sex drive isn't powerful enough to overcome reason during the teenage developmental years./

It can be done. As a teenager, I overcame my hormone raging libido by taking accordion lessons.

8 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:04:06pm

re: #7 Walter L. Newton

It can be done. As a teenager, I overcame my hormone raging libido by taking accordion lessons.

Or you just killed the sex drive of everyone within hearing distance of you.

9 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:04:17pm

re: #2 Charles

I haven't found any statements from Scott Walker on it, but I'd be willing to bet he's also a creationist.

He's from Colorado Springs so he probably is.

10 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:05:28pm

re: #2 Charles

I haven't found any statements from Scott Walker on it, but I'd be willing to bet he's also a creationist.

The more I read about this guy, the more I think he's polishing his resume, looking for the VP nod next year. Hell, with the way the Right's flagellating wildly over his actions so far, a 2016 run for the Big Chair might not be out of the question.

11 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:05:33pm
They also proposed making it mandatory that parents be notified if their child tried to get a birth control prescription.

Because girls under 18 are easily able to get and fill a prescription for birth control pills without people asking questions.

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12 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:06:31pm

Here it comes! The REST, of the story. I too have no doubt in my mind that he's creationist minded literalist. Good going Wisconsin. I hereby bequeath you honorary Confederate state status.

13 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:06:41pm

re: #9 recusancy

He's from Colorado Springs so he probably is.

Your right. You are not allowed to operate a motor vehicle in Colorado Springs unless you check the "I believe in creationism" box on your drivers license application.

14 Winny Spencer  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:06:44pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The more I read about this guy, the more I think he's polishing his resume, looking for the VP nod next year. Hell, with the way the Right's flagellating wildly over his actions so far, a 2016 run for the Big Chair might not be out of the question.

Nah, he'll have to stand in Chris Christie's humongous shadow.

15 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:06:57pm

re: #9 recusancy

I'll attest to that. Being a liberal during High School there was tough. The only thing it did to me was make me very bitter towards Conservatives.

16 iceweasel  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:07:17pm

re: #11 Lidane

Because girls under 18 are easily able to get and fill a prescription for birth control pills without people asking questions.

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As I recall, one of the arguments against allowing Emergency Contraception to teens was that they'll all simply take one after sex. So it would make them promiscuous, dontcha know. Like the HPV vaccination.

17 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:07:46pm

re: #2 Charles

I haven't found any statements from Scott Walker on it, but I'd be willing to bet he's also a creationist.

He went to Marquette, which is a Catholic college (and my father's alma mater) but he's a dropout from there (like my mother), so he may have missed the Catholic position on the issue.

My mother dropped out to get married and get started on her 7 kids.

18 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:08:03pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The more I read about this guy, the more I think he's polishing his resume, looking for the VP nod next year. Hell, with the way the Right's flagellating wildly over his actions so far, a 2016 run for the Big Chair might not be out of the question.

He has the academic and intellectual chops to continue in the tradition of the '08 GOP VP candidate.

19 ProMayaLiberal  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:08:43pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Thankfully Boulder, Denver, Ft. Collins, and Pueblo balance out Colorado Springs and Greeley.

20 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:09:29pm

re: #16 iceweasel

As I recall, one of the arguments against allowing Emergency Contraception to teens was that they'll all simply take one after sex. So it would make them promiscuous, dontcha know. Like the HPV vaccination.

Not wanting to be rendered sterile by, or possibly die from cancer as a result of, an STD that can be transmitted via saliva makes you a slut. Get with the times.

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:10:17pm

re: #14 Winny Spencer

Nah, he'll have to stand in Chris Christie's humongous shadow.

He and Christie are cut from the same cloth, both with the Tea Party (read: Koch Brothers) hands up their backsides. I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other ran for the Big Chair and brought the other along as their VP nominee.

22 Winny Spencer  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:10:27pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The more I read about this guy, the more I think he's polishing his resume, looking for the VP nod next year. Hell, with the way the Right's flagellating wildly over his actions so far, a 2016 run for the Big Chair might not be out of the question.

Besides, I seriously doubt he would launch a primary challenge against President Romney.

23 iceweasel  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:11:01pm

re: #20 Fozzie Bear

Not wanting to be rendered sterile by, or possibly die from cancer as a result of, an STD that can be transmitted via saliva makes you a slut. Get with the times.

Which times? Oh yeah, old ones.

24 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:11:52pm

"BadgerCare Plus" sounds like the GOP plan for women's health care in every state. Is it trademarked?

/

25 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:12:25pm

Apparently Walker is willing to believe whatever the Koch brothers tell him to believe.

According to Wisconsin campaign finance filings, Walker's gubernatorial campaign received $43,000 from the Koch Industries PAC during the 2010 election. That donation was his campaign's second-highest, behind $43,125 in contributions from housing and realtor groups in Wisconsin. The Koch's PAC also helped Walker via a familiar and much-used politicial maneuver designed to allow donors to skirt campaign finance limits. The PAC gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association, which in turn spent $65,000 on independent expenditures to support Walker. The RGA also spent a whopping $3.4 million on TV ads and mailers attacking Walker's opponent, Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett. Walker ended up beating Barrett by 5 points. The Koch money, no doubt, helped greatly.

The Kochs also assisted Walker's current GOP allies in the fight against the public-sector unions. Last year, Republicans took control of the both houses of the Wisconsin state legislature, which has made Walker's assault on these unions possible. And according to data from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, the Koch Industries PAC spent $6,500 in support of 16 Wisconsin Republican state legislative candidates, who each won his or her election.

26 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:12:26pm

re: #21 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

He and Christie are cut from the same cloth, both with the Tea Party (read: Koch Brothers) hands up their backsides. I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other ran for the Big Chair and brought the other along as their VP nominee.

The Koch Brothers have a very direct financial interest in this bill. They stand to make a fortune, and it has nothing to do with collective bargaining rights.

[Link: www.ginandtacos.com...]

27 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:13:24pm

re: #7 Walter L. Newton

It can be done. As a teenager, I overcame my hormone raging libido by taking accordion lessons.

That explains a lot. /

28 blueraven  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:13:38pm

OT...just heard on MSNBC that that at least 2 Libyan Air force pilots are defecting to Malta?? or somewhere... just caught the tail end of this. Anyway they said they were ordered to fire upon the protesters but just flew right on outta there.

Anybody know any more on this?

29 iossarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:14:03pm

re: #26 Fozzie Bear

The Koch Brothers have a very direct financial interest in this bill. They stand to make a fortune, and it has nothing to do with collective bargaining rights.

[Link: www.ginandtacos.com...]

Anyone who voted Republican in the past election and who makes less than $200K a year got played for an absolute fucking fool.

30 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:15:29pm

On topic.

I can't contain my surprise. Where's my fainting couch?

31 elizajane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:15:42pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently Walker is willing to believe whatever the Koch brothers tell him to believe.

For only $43,000 in direct donations the Koch brothers got the right to buy up Wisconsin's public utility infrastructure at bargain-basement prices with no public supervision. Now THAT was a good investment.
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32 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:16:05pm

re: #29 iossarian

Anyone who voted Republican in the past election and who makes less than $200K a year got played for an absolute fucking fool.

Well, it sounded like such a sweet-heart deal. The Tea Party promised to "Take America Back." Of course, that's only half a sentence, as the rest of the sentence goes "...to the 18th Century."

33 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:16:30pm

re: #25 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's always depressing how cheaply these people are being bought for. Okay, the couple of million dollars in negative TV ads sucks, but only the big names get that. The little guys get bought and sold for a hundred k or so, and make decisions affecting millions of people.

But money is speech, sayeth the Supreme Court. We should let unlimited amounts of money be spent influencing our political system. Because obviously, that's not causing any problems.

34 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:16:40pm

re: #28 blueraven

OT...just heard on MSNBC that that at least 2 Libyan Air force pilots are defecting to Malta?? or somewhere... just caught the tail end of this. Anyway they said they were ordered to fire upon the protesters but just flew right on outta there.

Anybody know any more on this?

There was a link for the Jerusalem Post (iirc) in this thread earlier

35 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:16:41pm

re: #30 Romantic Heretic

On topic.

I can't contain my surprise. Where's my fainting couch?

\___

36 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:16:54pm

re: #29 iossarian

Anyone who voted Republican in the past election and who makes less than $200K a year got played for an absolute fucking fool.

And many will do it again because it's THEIR tribe.

37 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:17:51pm

re: #28 blueraven

re: #34 sattv4u2

There was a link for FROM the Jerusalem Post (iirc) in this thread earlier

I suck!

38 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:18:39pm

The wingnuts don't care because they get some motion on the culture warrior issues they care about. They are being bought off with payments of stupid.

"We'll let you have the infrastructure of the state for pennies if you get those librul yoonyun commies reel good."

39 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:19:26pm

re: #28 blueraven

OT...just heard on MSNBC that that at least 2 Libyan Air force pilots are defecting to Malta?? or somewhere... just caught the tail end of this. Anyway they said they were ordered to fire upon the protesters but just flew right on outta there.

Anybody know any more on this?

[Link: www.monstersandcritics.com...]
(one of several)

40 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:19:30pm

re: #36 recusancy

And many will do it again because it's THEIR tribe.

Of course. As the thinking has gone for decades, "He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."

41 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:21:02pm

re: #19 ProLifeLiberal

Thankfully Boulder, Denver, Ft. Collins, and Pueblo balance out Colorado Springs and Greeley.

You forgot one certain district...

Image: US-Congressional-District-CO-6.PNG

42 blueraven  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:21:26pm

re: #39 sattv4u2

[Link: www.monstersandcritics.com...]
(one of several)

Thanks!

43 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:21:32pm

re: #41 Gus 802

You forgot one certain district...

Image: US-Congressional-District-CO-6.PNG

Tancredo corntree!

/

44 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:22:37pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

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That looks like a GOP AGW "hockey stick".

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45 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:22:50pm

re: #28 blueraven

OT...just heard on MSNBC that that at least 2 Libyan Air force pilots are defecting to Malta?? or somewhere... just caught the tail end of this. Anyway they said they were ordered to fire upon the protesters but just flew right on outta there.

Anybody know any more on this?

Libyan pilots defect in Malta.

46 b_sharp  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:25:09pm

tribalism is a reality, all we can do is act human by making those tribes as inclusive and large as possible.
Some need things to be as simple as possible, usually by thinking in binary terms so membership in their tribe becomes little more than a coin toss.

47 BishopX  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:25:41pm

Today is a wierd day on footballs...there are at least 4 active threads going.

48 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:26:30pm

re: #29 iossarian

Anyone who voted Republican in the past election and who makes less than $200K a year got played for an absolute fucking fool.

That's true for the GOP in general. If you make under $200k and you vote Republican, you're basically voting against your own interests every single time. As far as the RNC are concerned, you're nothing but a useful idiot.

49 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:26:50pm

re: #47 BishopX

Today is a wierd day on footballs...there are at least 4 active threads going.

It's Darwinism in action, weeding out those who can't effectively multi-task. If you can't keep track of the conversations of all four active threads and contribute, then you're not fit to be part of the LGF Master Lizard Race.

/

50 leftynyc  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:27:06pm

re: #5 Fozzie Bear

Wingnuts assume that kids will just abstain if they can't get contraception. Because, you know, the sex drive isn't powerful enough to overcome reason during the teenage developmental years./

Worked so well for Bristol Palin.

51 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:27:34pm

re: #45 Alouette

Libyan pilots defect in Malta.

I keep thinking of an episode in Persepolis, where pilots from the Shah's regime who've been imprisoned are asked if they'll run a bombing mission over Baghdad. According to the way Satrapi tells the story, they agreed, for Iran rather than the new regime, but only if the old national anthem was played on TV.

Does anyone know anything about this? Did it actually happen? The story stayed with me.

52 iceweasel  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:28:05pm
Restrictions on Abortion

In Wisconsin, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of January 2011:

* The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided.
* A woman must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage her from having an abortion and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided. Counseling must be provided in person and must take place before the waiting period begins, thereby necessitating two separate trips to the facility.
* Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, rape, incest or when necessary to prevent long-lasting damage to the woman's physical health.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:30:04pm

re: #45 Alouette

Libyan pilots defect in Malta.

Menschen.

54 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:31:01pm
55 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:32:20pm
56 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:33:11pm

re: #55 Gus 802

This link?

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

:)

Doh!

57 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:33:30pm

Kindergarten is a breeding ground for atheistic liberals, the gay agenda, and Democratic Party voters!

/Wingnut

58 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:34:19pm

re: #54 recusancy

I'm wondering how much buyer's remorse already exists up there in NH. The election was, in theory, all about the economy, but the state GOP has already gone fully off the rails towards a right-wing wish list of social and political policy changes.

59 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:34:42pm

re: #54 recusancy

Eliminating kindergarten is a great way to raise the unemployment number a bit, both from the layoffs of teachers and the people who will be unable to work for that extra year since they can't afford day care.

60 iceweasel  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:35:37pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Kindergarten is a breeding ground for atheistic liberals, the gay agenda, and Democratic Party voters!

/Wingnut

Plus it teaches kids to share. I bet John Galt wouldn't have gone to it!

61 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:36:01pm

re: #55 Gus 802

This link?

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

:)

That's just insane. WTF is the point of getting rid of kindergarten? Next they'll get rid of pre-school and outlaw Mom's Day Out and other daycare programs.

62 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:37:31pm

Yet another little slice of evil, brought to you by the GOP.

"Fuck the children, I got mine." - GOP

63 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:37:51pm

re: #60 iceweasel

Plus it teaches kids to share. I bet John Galt wouldn't have gone to it!

John Galt! Ronald Reagan! John Galt! Ronald Reagan!

Seriously. The GOP has lost their marbles. It's the party of Know Nothings.

64 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:38:10pm

re: #61 Lidane

That's just insane. WTF is the point of getting rid of kindergarten? Next they'll get rid of pre-school and outlaw Mom's Day Out and other daycare programs.

Because everyone knows that mothers should stay with their kids until they put her away in a nursing home!

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65 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:38:24pm

re: #49 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which reminds me, when's the next mass breeding season? I'm heavy with male jelly.

Image: zoidberg-sticker1.png

66 freetoken  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:38:51pm

The GOP in Wisconsin has been moving more and more towards the extreme end of what in this country we label "conservative", for some time.

As I noted back in 2009, the Republicans there embraced the anti-Fed idiocy of the glibertarian/theocratic crowd (Rockwell, North, Paul).

I don't expect the extreme positions we're seeing surfacing in the early days of the Walker administration to be by themselves in coming months. There is a full court press on to go backwards.

67 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:39:07pm

Kindergarten? I guess reading is bad now. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with the modern Republican party? THanks to these idiots I got back involved in politics after wanting to be "retired" but noooooooo.

68 iceweasel  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:39:08pm

re: #63 Gus 802

John Galt! Ronald Reagan! John Galt! Ronald Reagan!

Seriously. The GOP has lost their marbles. It's the party of Know Nothings.

More like Ï know nothing and you can't make me!
So, kindergatren level, yeah.

69 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:39:09pm

re: #63 Gus 802

John Galt! Ronald Reagan! John Galt! Ronald Reagan!

Seriously. The GOP has lost their marbles. It's the party of Know Nothings.

"But not the real Ronald Reagan! This other one we just made up, that bears a curious resemblance to Ron Paul smooshed together with Sarah Palin!"

70 KingKenrod  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:39:17pm

re: #54 recusancy

The GOP is going after kindergarten now.

Yes, overturning a requirement that has been in place since 2009.

Maybe some districts have found it too expensive or they don't have the demand.

71 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:39:28pm

"Have as many children as possible, but don't expect any help raising them." -GOP

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:40:45pm

re: #58 Simply Sarah

I'm wondering how much buyer's remorse already exists up there in NH. The election was, in theory, all about the economy, but the state GOP has already gone fully off the rails towards a right-wing wish list of social and political policy changes.

They're trying to ram this shit through, under the radar, as fast as possible. Slapping a layer of "fiscal responsibility" whitewash on it, claiming that cramming a Bible up our collective keisters a little higher "saves money."

All the while, the rich and powerful laugh their asses off at how easily we play into their hands, getting us throw away decades of progress bought with sacrifice on the illusion that it'll bring back the "good ol' days."

73 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:42:15pm

re: #70 KingKenrod

Yes, overturning a requirement that has been in place since 2009.

Maybe some districts have found it too expensive or they don't have the demand.

Yeah. Maybe you're right huh? We're probably all tapped out building kindergartens in Afghanistan.

74 justaminute  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:42:51pm

I find it ironic that Republicans have benefited so much from a Supreme Court case called "Citizen United" while hating actual citizens uniting to form labor unions.

75 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:43:08pm

I just don't understand their priorities. What's darkly humorous to me is that right wing Republicans are the first to call for cuts in things like transportation, education, etc but they're the first you hear whining about the quality of said things. It's true. Money and funding doesn't solve everything but it's better than cutting funding and doing nothing.

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:45:49pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I just don't understand their priorities. What's darkly humorous to me is that right wing Republicans are the first to call for cuts in things like transportation, education, etc but they're the first you hear whining about the quality of said things. It's true. Money and funding doesn't solve everything but it's better than cutting funding and doing nothing.

They're the first to bitch up a storm about "entitlement spending"...until the knife turns towards Medicare and Social Security. Then they'll fight you with everything, down to their eyeteeth, to keep you from making a single cut.

77 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:46:03pm

There is nothing in the Constitution that says anything about kindergarten!!11ty

78 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:46:11pm

No kindergarten? No problem. We'll just keep 'em in HeadStart another year.

oh, wait...

79 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:46:14pm

re: #70 KingKenrod

There's only six states that don't require public funding of kindergartens.

Speaking as someone who worked in children's educational development for years, kindergarten is an absolutely vital time, and it's impossible to craft a good first grade curicculum if the kids are going to be entering at vastly different levels. Kindergarten is one of the very best tools we have in public education. It is also one of the cheapest; educational costs increase the higher up in grades you go.

If people think they're really saving money by cutting this, they should look at the research.

Summary:

[Link: earlyed.newamerica.net...]

Full study on what the recession is doing to education in the USA:

[Link: www.fcd-us.org...]

80 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:46:26pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

I just don't understand their priorities. What's darkly humorous to me is that right wing Republicans are the first to call for cuts in things like transportation, education, etc but they're the first you hear whining about the quality of said things. It's true. Money and funding doesn't solve everything but it's better than cutting funding and doing nothing.

Well, sadly it's often not just the right-wing GOP. I know that, a couple of years ago, the NY Times had a series on the sad shape of the country's water infrastructure and mentioned how everyone would complain when a water main would break, but if it was suggested to them that they pay a few cents/dollars more a month so that there would resources to repair and replace the stuff that needed work, people were outraged. I think the country as a whole has largely fallen into a something for nothing mindset.

81 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:46:30pm

re: #70 KingKenrod

Yes, overturning a requirement that has been in place since 2009.

Maybe some districts have found it too expensive or they don't have the demand.

Because it's such a burden to teach 5 and 6 year olds basic skills they'll need in school.

82 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:46:55pm

re: #70 KingKenrod

Yes, overturning a requirement that has been in place since 2009.

Maybe some districts have found it too expensive or they don't have the demand.

Too expensive? What's worth paying for in this country? Just tanks and flags? Bush once asked "is our children learning?". We can now proudly say no.

83 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:48:25pm

re: #82 recusancy

Too expensive? What's worth paying for in this country? Just tanks and flags?

Don't forget apple pie, guns, and Bibles. That's all we need, really.

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84 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:48:36pm

Idiocracy was a fucking prophecy.

85 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:48:46pm

re: #80 Simply Sarah

Well, sadly it's often not just the right-wing GOP. I know that, a couple of years ago, the NY Times had a series on the sad shape of the country's water infrastructure and mentioned how everyone would complain when a water main would break, but if it was suggested to them that they pay a few cents/dollars more a month so that there would resources to repair and replace the stuff that needed work, people were outraged. I think the country as a whole has largely fallen into a something for nothing mindset.

Yeah, it's a problem with the country as a whole. We want nice things but we don't want to pay for it. People just see the word taxes and flip out. I am not saying every tax increase is necessary but I am saying that some tax incresaes may be necessary to make a better country.

86 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:49:11pm

Vermont GOP legislator offers compromise to fund statewide kindergarten by inserting amendment to allow concealed carry (CCW) by kindergarteners across the state.

//

87 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:50:12pm

re: #84 Fozzie Bear

Idiocracy was a fucking prophecy.

More like a documentary. =P

88 recusancy  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:51:55pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it's a problem with the country as a whole. We want nice things but we don't want to pay for it. People just see the word taxes and flip out. I am not saying every tax increase is necessary but I am saying that some tax incresaes may be necessary to make a better country.

Look at that. Even people who are for tax increases have to water it down with "i'm not saying it's necessary but..." It is necessary! We've come to be afraid of actually stating that.

89 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:53:10pm

I mean. Hey. The GOP is only trying to reinstate DADT which was repealed in 2010 anyway!

//

90 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:56:15pm

re: #88 recusancy

Look at that. Even people who are for tax increases have to water it down with "i'm not saying it's necessary but..." It is necessary! We've come to be afraid of actually stating that.

Well, a lot of people have been convinced that, despite many types of taxes being at their lowest levels in a long time/history, they are still too high. They aren't bringing in enough money? Well, we'll just cut stuff from the budget. Who needs clean drinking water and safe roads and police and fire departments, anyway?

91 freetoken  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:56:20pm

re: #80 Simply Sarah

I think the country as a whole has largely fallen into a something for nothing mindset.

Two words:

Las Vegas

92 tradewind  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:56:22pm

Even the docs are shocked:
Holy Mackerel! It's much worse than it looked in the paper.....
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

93 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:58:28pm

re: #80 Simply Sarah

Well, sadly it's often not just the right-wing GOP. I know that, a couple of years ago, the NY Times had a series on the sad shape of the country's water infrastructure and mentioned how everyone would complain when a water main would break, but if it was suggested to them that they pay a few cents/dollars more a month so that there would resources to repair and replace the stuff that needed work, people were outraged. I think the country as a whole has largely fallen into a something for nothing mindset.

But of course. That was pretty much the GOP's tagline last year: "Get Something For Nothing!" The nominees, like so many snake-oil salesmen, standing in front of the gullible masses and telling them that it wasn't cutting taxes or dickering with the ones that were left to benefit the rich that was the source of our nation's financial problems. No, the problem is that we're spendin' too damn much, except when we're not spendin' enough on the right things.

And how do we right the Ship of State? With simple, painless, effective cuts to the budget. Why, there's billions there that can be cut, all this waste and "giveaways" that can be done away, leaving up with a trim budget that will do everything but bake you a cake that cures cancer. But to make this miracle possible, you gotta put the party that spent 8 years shagging you rotten to do it, because if you don't, the Democrats are gonna raise your taxes!

(Paid for by the Koch Brothers, Halliburton, BP, and a whole list of Big Companies looking to make you their bitch)

94 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:58:36pm

re: #88 recusancy

Look at that. Even people who are for tax increases have to water it down with "i'm not saying it's necessary but..." It is necessary! We've come to be afraid of actually stating that.

You should have seen the ABC Nightly News report yesterday about a teabagger, married to a teacher, who was more than happy to swallow the huge pay cut she'd get under Walker's plan "because the state was broke". Why do I get the feeling that a nominal tax increase - which wouldn't have taken nearly as big a bite from his family income - would have him squealing like a stuck pig?

95 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 1:59:21pm

I made a page out of that report, because it's a very, very well done report that I think everyone should read.

It's about uncomfortable subjects, like poverty in the US, the very unlevel playing field that we have for child development, and the effects of the recession on the most vulnerable members of our society.

Child education and development in the recession: A crisis

96 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:01:33pm

re: #92 tradewind

Even the docs are shocked:
Holy Mackerel! It's much worse than it looked in the paper...
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

Damn. That's terrible.

You win!

OK, no more teachers unions in Wisconsin. Everybody go back to your homes and families!

/

97 freetoken  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:02:23pm

re: #92 tradewind

Even the docs are shocked:
Holy Mackerel! It's much worse than it looked in the paper...
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

From that article, the lead off sentence:

Fears over becoming hostage to soaring health insurance premiums has Wisconsin's teachers and other public employees protesting in downtown Madison for the second week running.

Oh, and I suppose those protestors just couldn't be there for, oh, let me think... perhaps not wanting their collective bargaining rights eliminated?

Such selective re-interpretation of recent events - gah.

98 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:02:32pm
99 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:03:17pm

re: #92 tradewind

Even the docs are shocked:
Holy Mackerel! It's much worse than it looked in the paper...
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

These videos were probably faked by Breitbart and Dr. Arthur Derse is a creationist.

100 webevintage  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:03:27pm

sigh....

101 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:04:51pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rush Rips Ribs-Eating Michelle Obama
Outrageous!

It should surprise me that Limbaugh is making fun of her weight but then again this is the man who called Chelsea Clinton a dog in the 90's.

102 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:05:13pm

re: #38 Fozzie Bear

upding for "payments of stupid"!

103 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:05:20pm

re: #92 tradewind

What do you think of all the recent GOP initiatives attacking women's reproductive rights?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

104 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:06:01pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

These videos were probably faked by Breitbart and Dr. Arthur Derse is a creationist.

Either that or they were double faked reverse with an osmosis twist by George Soros and Dr. Arthur Derse is a member of the Moozlim Brotherhood!!11ty

105 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:07:06pm

re: #94 publicityStunted

You should have seen the ABC Nightly News report yesterday about a teabagger, married to a teacher, who was more than happy to swallow the huge pay cut she'd get under Walker's plan "because the state was broke". Why do I get the feeling that a nominal tax increase - which wouldn't have taken nearly as big a bite from his family income - would have him squealing like a stuck pig?

I mean, of course the real problem is that the GOP has convinced a lot of people that budget cuts and tax increases are mutually exclusive options. Yes, when times are tough, you can try to find waste to cut or get rid of spending programs that are less important, but those just cannot be the only options on the table. And if you're going to cut waste from the budget, it needs to actually be waste, not just something you don't like (Yeah, I know, who am I kidding?).

106 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:07:07pm

re: #104 Gus 802

Either that or they were double faked reverse with an osmosis twist by George Soros and Dr. Arthur Derse is a member of the Moozlim Brotherhood!!11ty

The possibilities are endless... and I bet we touch them all.

107 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:08:31pm

Speaking of anti-women, one of the items from the report cited above:

From Figure 9, it can be seen that we are projecting the
percent of all children living at these deep poverty levels
to top out at 10.1 in 2010, a level nearly as high as the
10.4 percent observed in 1992. The percent of children
in single-female headed families that are living below 50
percent of the poverty level is expected to climb to almost
25 percent in 2010.

That's a terrible, terrible statistic. That is the result of mothers having children they are unable to afford to care for, and male partners doing or being able to do little or nothing for those children.

When the GOP wants to increase the number of these households, by making birth control more inaccessible, by making abortion next to impossible, are they sparing a moment's thought for those children?

This means that one out of every four single-mother households with one child has an income of just above seven thousand dollars a year.


Think about that. Think about raising a child on seven thousand dollars a year. Think about being a single mother and doing that.

And then we wonder why we have overfilled prisons, why we're slipping in global competitiveness.

We are not taking care of our children, our mothers, our most vulnerable. We are coddling the strong, and despising the weak.

108 Blizard  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:09:16pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Rush Rips Ribs-Eating Michelle Obama
Outrageous!


A true hatriot, that guy.

109 tradewind  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:09:33pm

re: #103 publicityStunted
To borrow a phrase, I think reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated.
With every Republican electoral victory, Roe v. Wade is supposedly closer to extinction, and yet somehow, it survives.
I imagine nothing is going to change that.
But hey... Emily's List has to raise money somehow. Might as well use the fear.

110 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:10:13pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Vermont GOP legislator offers compromise to fund statewide kindergarten by inserting amendment to allow concealed carry (CCW) by kindergarteners across the state.

//

i kan haz peashooter!

111 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:10:25pm

re: #103 publicityStunted

GOP and social conservative initiatives, to be exact, since in some states there are conservative Democrats supporting this odious crap. At the federal level, however, it's overwhelmingly Republican (e.g. House defunding Planned Parenthood).

112 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:11:33pm

re: #109 tradewind

Did you read the links? Pay attention at all to what was said? Or just prefer to blindly say "If Roe vs. Wade isn't overturned, abortion rights are doing just fine!"

113 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:12:40pm

Wow.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

Indiana State TreasurerRichard Mourdock will launch his primary challenge to Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) on Tuesday with the support of a majority of both the state's 92 Republican county chairmen and its state party executive committee, he told the Fix in a recent interview.

One of the few current Republicans worthy of respect and they're throwing him under bus.

114 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:13:29pm

The video is probably exactly what it appears to be. Civil disobedience. Doctors standing in solidarity with teachers. Whatever.

It will be endlessly spun in an attempt to obfuscate the lack of necessity to break up unions to achieve budget cuts, and the fact that this bill contains a provision that would allow the appointed (not elected) officials to sell off government-owned power generation and distribution infrastructure, at any price, with or without taking bids, superseding all previously existing methods of oversight.

Gee, wonder why the Koch brothers are spending all this money to get it passed? (It's not like the Koch brothers run school, people.)

115 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:14:07pm

re: #113 Sergey Romanov

Wow.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

One of the few current Republicans worthy of respect and they're throwing him under bus.

I guess this is Lugar's "reward" for helping to pass START. Sucks for him. I wouldn't vote for him but I'd be proud to call him my senator.

116 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:14:13pm

re: #113 Sergey Romanov

Lugar refuses to always toe the party line. Therefore, he must be purged, clearly.

117 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:14:14pm

tradewind, can you bottle some of that optimism?

118 freetoken  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:14:54pm

re: #113 Sergey Romanov

Wow.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

One of the few current Republicans worthy of respect and they're throwing him under bus.


He's a RINO, dontcha know?

119 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:15:40pm

re: #118 freetoken

He's a RINO, dontcha know?

An endangered species, rapidly approaching extinction, likely never to return.

120 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:16:17pm

Rush is using Drudge's link for the calorie count for the great Rib-gate scandal. Calories 1575.8

Of course there are lower calorie versions of the same recipe.
Grilled Baby Back Ribs with Coffee-Ancho Chile Rub and Rice Vinegar Sauce
Calories (kcal) 443.6

Short Ribs Braised in Coffee Ancho Chile Sauce
Calories 1058

121 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:16:34pm

re: #106 Walter L. Newton

The possibilities are endless... and I bet we touch them all.

the TROOF is out there...

(...WAY out there...)

122 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:17:19pm

re: #109 tradewind

With every Republican electoral victory, Roe v. Wade is supposedly closer to extinction, and yet somehow, it survives.

What the fuck good does Roe v. Wade do when abortions are just about impossible to get due to other legal restrictions and lack of clinics?

re: #117 Querent

tradewind, can you bottle some of that optimism delusion?

Fixed.

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:17:51pm

re: #10 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The more I read about this guy, the more I think he's polishing his resume, looking for the VP nod next year. Hell, with the way the Right's flagellating wildly over his actions so far, a 2016 run for the Big Chair might not be out of the question.

yes

124 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:18:34pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Rush is using Drudge's link for the calorie count for the great Rib-gate scandal. Calories 1575.8

Of course there are lower calorie versions of the same recipe.
Grilled Baby Back Ribs with Coffee-Ancho Chile Rub and Rice Vinegar Sauce
Calories (kcal) 443.6

Short Ribs Braised in Coffee Ancho Chile Sauce
Calories 1058

They don't call his fanboys dittoheads for nothing.

125 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:19:24pm

It's too bad really. I vote Democratic most of the time but I like guys like Lugar since they can discuss the issues in an intellectual way without foaming at the mouth about how everyone to the left of them is a Communist. I liked John Warner here as senator and Tom Davis at congressman for those same reasons. They weren't guys I would vote for but guys I could say "Yeah I disagree with you but you're not a jerk about it."

126 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:20:40pm

re: #117 Querent

hey... my first downding. Another milestone of LGF participation has been passed.

127 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:20:50pm

Star Packer Charles Woodson Supports Wisconsin Workers

Green Bay Packers cornerback Charles Woodson today became the most prominent member of the Super Bowl-winning team to come out in support of the public employees in Wisconsin currently protesting against Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to strip many of the them of their collective bargaining rights.

...

[the statement]

Last week I was proud when many of my current and former teammates announced their support for the working families fighting for their rights in Wisconsin. Today I am honored to join with them.

Thousands of dedicated Wisconsin public workers provide vital services for Wisconsin citizens. They are the teachers, nurses and child care workers who take care of us and our families. These hard working people are under an unprecedented attack to take away their basic rights to have a voice and collectively bargain at work.

It is an honor for me to play for the Super Bowl Champion Green Bay Packers and be a part of the Green Bay and Wisconsin communities. I am also honored as a member of the NFL Players Association to stand together with working families of Wisconsin and organized labor in their fight against this attempt to hurt them by targeting unions. I hope those leading the attack will sit down with Wisconsin's public workers and discuss the problems Wisconsin faces, so that together they can truly move Wisconsin forward.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:21:14pm

re: #124 Gus 802

They don't call his fanboys dittoheads for nothing.

Man these guys love taking swings at the first lady! Bravery!

129 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:22:10pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

Man these guys love taking swings at the first lady! Bravery!

Truth to power! Sasha is a Communist! She has a Russian sounding name!

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:22:23pm

re: #126 Querent

hey... my first downding. Another milestone of LGF participation has been passed.

Wait until you get like 15 of them, for a thing you REALLY wanted to say :D

131 Simply Sarah  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:22:44pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

It's too bad really. I vote Democratic most of the time but I like guys like Lugar since they can discuss the issues in an intellectual way without foaming at the mouth about how everyone to the left of them is a Communist. I liked John Warner here as senator and Tom Davis at congressman for those same reasons. They weren't guys I would vote for but guys I could say "Yeah I disagree with you but you're not a jerk about it."

It's how things should work. People have different views, but can, you know, discuss and debate them like adults. Sadly, being a grownup about things doesn't seem to be the way to get (re)elected. Granted, I'm sure if you asked Charles Sumner, he would say that things today seem downright civil.

132 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:23:00pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Truth to power! Sasha is a Communist! She has a Russian sounding name!

They are very very very black and not lusciously white like the whitest of the white tea party whiteys

133 Winny Spencer  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:23:02pm

re: #130 WindUpBird

Wait until you get like 15 of them, for a thing you REALLY wanted to say :D

Wonderful feeling.

134 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:23:48pm

re: #130 WindUpBird

Wait until you get like 15 of them, for a thing you REALLY wanted to say :D

Don't think I've hit that particular XBox Achievement just yet.

135 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:23:52pm

re: #133 Winny Spencer

Wonderful feeling.

I got downdinged like 18 for just being THROUGH with someone here, who has now been banned. Lol. :D

136 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:24:57pm

re: #130 WindUpBird

Yeah. i was wondering if i should have included a /sarc tag, but no, i really would like to have some of that optimism.

Or as it's known in more traditional circles, "blind, irrational, unshakeable faith"

137 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:25:34pm

re: #135 WindUpBird

I got downdinged like 18 for just being THROUGH with someone here, who has now been banned. Lol. :D

I automatically get -10 for logging on ;)

138 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:26:12pm

re: #137 brookly red

I automatically get -10 for logging on ;)

What? How DARE you say that! If I could downding you twice, I would!

///

139 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:26:42pm

re: #137 brookly red

I automatically get -10 for logging on ;)

well anybody who can make me laugh gets +1. Even if it's dark humor that everyone else downdinged because they took it too damned seriously that day.

140 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:27:22pm

Like Targetpractice, who just made me snicker w/ that last one!

141 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:28:22pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

Man these guys love taking swings at the first lady! Bravery!

It's because she's black.

142 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:28:24pm

re: #140 Querent

Like Targetpractice, who just made me snicker w/ that last one!

cool, I have a beer & an pretend it was from you.

143 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:28:57pm

re: #142 brookly red

|_|) one frothy mug, coming right up!

144 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:29:42pm

re: #126 Querent

hey... my first downding. Another milestone of LGF participation has been passed.

geeze, I've gotten into the -20's before... in just my first month here no less.

you're slacking ;)

145 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:30:41pm

re: #144 bloodstar

well i'm deliberately trying NOT to get eaten alive by my fellow Lizards!

146 Winny Spencer  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:30:55pm

re: #141 Gus 802

It's because she's black.

True. Republicans loved Hillary when she was first lady.

147 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:31:38pm

re: #146 Winny Spencer

True. Republicans loved Hillary when she was first lady.


like they loved the intestinal flu...

148 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:33:17pm

re: #141 Gus 802

She's black, female, and talks about personal responsibility. They can't stand that.

149 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:33:30pm

re: #146 Winny Spencer

True. Republicans loved Hillary when she was first lady.

Yeah. You make a good point. People were also making racial epithets and innuendos on Hillary as well.

(/)

150 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:33:42pm

re: #145 Querent

well i'm deliberately trying NOT to get eaten alive by my fellow Lizards!

Braised in Coffee Ancho Chile Sauce...

wth is Coffee Ancho any how?

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:34:05pm

re: #148 Obdicut

She's black, female, and talks about personal responsibility. They can't stand that.

NO BLACK WOMAN GON TELL ME WHAT TO DEW

152 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:34:57pm

Bah, you youngin's and your dings and your image links and your youtube. Why, back in my day, we didn't have none of that stuff! When you wanted "ding" somebody, you did it upside their heads! And we liked it!

153 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:35:00pm

re: #148 Obdicut

She's black, female, and talks about personal responsibility. They can't stand that.

And she's in Vail and they're still in their mother's basement.

Lots of mother issues here.

154 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:36:37pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

NO BLACK WOMAN GON TELL ME WHAT TO DEW

It's not because she's black!!11ty

//

155 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:36:40pm

re: #152 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Bah, you youngin's and your dings and your image links and your youtube. Why, back in my day, we didn't have none of that stuff! When you wanted "ding" somebody, you did it upside their heads! And we liked it!

I had to ding folks just to get to school...

156 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:38:04pm

re: #150 brookly red

Braised in Coffee Ancho Chile Sauce...

wth is Coffee Ancho any how?

actually, i probably go better with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

Which is why i try to keep my scaly buttocks far away from the grill around this cave.

157 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:38:43pm

re: #145 Querent

well i'm deliberately trying NOT to get eaten alive by my fellow Lizards!

:) It's ok to get sand blasted every once in a while. just don't take it personally and I don't think anyone really cares.

The anti-idiot nature of the blog really helps because often times if you're getting battered, there's some good information being tossed around... and a lot can be learned when you're wrong on something.

158 Winny Spencer  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:40:00pm

re: #154 Gus 802

It's not because she's black!!11ty

//

I had to try with something.

159 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:40:02pm

From the Rib-gate restaurant...


Hilton to Feature 'Top Chef' Dish on Its Menus

The Hilton is working to put Kelly Liken's braised beef short rib, chèvre-scented polenta, balsamic-infused beef jus, sauteed mushrooms and herb salad on its room service menu soon.

Image: hiltonshortrib.jpg

Portion size looks to be one or maybe two ribs per serving. Plenty of calories I'm sure but not outrageous.

160 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:40:12pm
Gov. Scott Walker: Anti-Union and Anti-Women


I take it he is also likely to be anti the union of two women as well...........

161 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:40:17pm

Too weird. I'm still only getting right wing followers on Twitter.

It's a conspiracy!

/

162 Blizard  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:40:21pm

Dang, I skipped lunch and now frothing at the mouth for some ribs.

163 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:41:09pm

re: #160 wozzablog

I take it he is also likely to be anti the union of two women as well...

that was rather witty...

164 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:41:43pm

re: #157 bloodstar

:) It's ok to get sand blasted every once in a while. just don't take it personally and I don't think anyone really cares.

i dunno... some lizards have come off as awfully tetchy lately...

The anti-idiot nature of the blog really helps because often times if you're getting battered, there's some good information being tossed around... and a lot can be learned when you're wrong on something.

Yes. and i would have lurked happily for more years, but a topic actually came up about which i actually knew Jack Schitt, so i registered. Thanks to that experimental anti-stoopid vaccination, a few of us from the Class of 2004 are still here. And still sane.

(you know where to find the rest. In the Fever Swamp.)

165 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:41:51pm

re: #157 bloodstar

This is one of the few places where when I correct someone, they often immediately just say, "Oh, thanks, didn't know that," instead of digging in deep and defensive.

166 Slap  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:42:18pm

re: #157 bloodstar

... and a lot can be learned when you're wrong on something.

I learn this lesson quite frequently...!

167 Slap  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:43:08pm

re: #165 Obdicut

Amen, brother.

168 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:43:30pm

re: #165 Obdicut

This is one of the few places where when I correct someone, they often immediately just say, "Oh, thanks, didn't know that," instead of digging in deep and defensive.

It helps that most of the regular posters "know" each other. I mean, we know each other as pseudonyms, but still, we are familiar.

169 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:43:31pm

re: #164 Querent

i dunno... some lizards have come off as awfully tetchy lately...

Yes. and i would have lurked happily for more years, but a topic actually came up about which i actually knew Jack Schitt, so i registered. Thanks to that experimental anti-stoopid vaccination, a few of us from the Class of 2004 are still here. And still sane.

(you know where to find the rest. In the Fever Swamp.)

Oooh, a June fifteener no less!!11!

170 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:44:13pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Too weird. I'm still only getting right wing followers on Twitter.

It's a conspiracy!

/

Image: Signs_tinhat.jpg

171 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:44:22pm

Today we saw a spike in rib sales for left wing and right wing bloggers.

/

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:44:26pm

re: #165 Obdicut

What, precisely, did you mean by that?
/

173 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:45:18pm

A bit more on the Libya situation (from BBC News):

#
2237: More suggestions that a speech from Col Gaddafi is on the way - Libya's foreign ministry says the leader will speak soon.
174 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:45:27pm

back toward the topic... never mind. that would be bad for my blood pressure.

175 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:45:45pm

re: #171 Gus 802

Today we saw a spike in rib sales for left wing and right wing bloggers.

/

it is a plot by big pork...

176 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:46:13pm

re: #175 brookly red

it is a plot by big pork...

Isn't that the other white meat? Hmmmm...

//

177 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:46:22pm

re: #172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you mean, what did you mean? I mean, you mean to say, that you think I mean what I think you think I mean?


You're mean.
/

178 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:46:43pm

re: #173 commadore183

A bit more on the Libya situation (from BBC News):

No doubt from behind bulletproof glass, with his crack team of supermodel guards surrounding him.

179 prairiefire  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:46:54pm

re: #165 Obdicut

This is one of the few places where when I correct someone, they often immediately just say, "Oh, thanks, didn't know that," instead of digging in deep and defensive.

They don't say "Talk to the hand!"?

180 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:47:10pm

re: #177 Obdicut

What do you mean, what did you mean? I mean, you mean to say, that you think I mean what I think you think I mean?

You're mean.
/

Did you mean that?

181 webevintage  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:48:24pm

I had no idea that by suggesting that we might want to eat locally grown, healthy food and pointing out that some schools serve crap to kids that that meant the First Lady was only allowed to eat salads and brussel sprouts for the next 8 years.

and really Rush and his fat ass can just fuck off for making comments about Michelle's weight or figure.

182 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:48:44pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Sorry, didn't mean it.

183 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:49:21pm

Sending fighter jets after protesters. Really brave. Any fighter pilot that drops bombs or strafes these people should be [deleted].

184 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:49:45pm

re: #181 webevintage

I had no idea that by suggesting that we might want to eat locally grown, healthy food and pointing out that some schools serve crap to kids that that meant the First Lady was only allowed to eat salads and brussel sprouts for the next 8 years.

and really Rush and his fat ass can just fuck off for making comments about Michelle's weight or figure.

Yes or no
0 or 1
White or black
Stuffing or Potato

There is no in between or moderation, it is simply one or the other.

185 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:50:03pm

re: #178 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No doubt from behind bulletproof glass, with his crack team of supermodel guards surrounding him.

He so needs to go, but I must admit I will miss getting my Gaddafi Body Guards Calender every December...

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:50:06pm

re: #183 Gus 802

We've known he was a coward for quite a while.

187 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:50:17pm

re: #163 brookly red

that was rather witty...

That was almost a compliment.

Get this man some pineapple pizza, STAT!

188 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:50:21pm

re: #126 Querent

hey... my first downding. Another milestone of LGF participation has been passed.

Get over it.

189 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:51:02pm

re: #183 Gus 802

Sending fighter jets after protesters. Really brave. Any fighter pilot that drops bombs or strafes these people should be [deleted].

I think 2 defected...

190 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:51:04pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

Get over it.

coming from you, Walter, that's almost high praise.

191 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:51:04pm
192 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:51:05pm

re: #181 webevintage

I had no idea that by suggesting that we might want to eat locally grown, healthy food and pointing out that some schools serve crap to kids that that meant the First Lady was only allowed to eat salads and brussel sprouts for the next 8 years.

and really Rush and his fat ass can just fuck off for making comments about Michelle's weight or figure.

Rush who covers for his own hypocrisy by making hay out of the hypocrisy, perceived or real, of his ideological enemies. This is a man who went on at length about Obama's admission that he once experimented with drugs, after he'd gotten into a shitload of bad press over his own drug problems.

193 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:51:25pm

re: #189 brookly red

I think 2 defected...

Yeah, they landed in Malta. Good for them.

194 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:51:32pm

re: #190 Querent

coming from you, Walter, that's almost high praise.

Whatever.

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:52:45pm

re: #187 wozzablog

That was almost a compliment.

Get this man some pineapple pizza, STAT!

BLASPHEMY!

///

196 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:52:50pm

re: #187 wozzablog

I take that back. It was a compliment :-)

(removes the pineapple)

197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:52:55pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

I started reading those books. Got through three. It was a struggle.

Great idea, IMO, application of the idea was a train wreck. Bad writing.

198 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:53:11pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Fox News is becoming the 700 Club...Beck's End Times Fearmongering Continues This Week With Left Behind Author

When the world doesn't end in 2012, I bet Beck goes with the "I meant 2102" approach

199 webevintage  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:53:14pm

I'm surprised we have not been inundated by the "but Rush is just being sarcastic...he has such a dry wit....you libs have no sense of humor...blahblahblah" posts yet.

200 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:53:22pm

So this is from the pages:


Walker's other Hidden Agenda: Sell off the Power Plants

the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state.


How fiscally responsible does that sound? That'd make it legal for the state to sell off a public power plant to someone for $5, with no bids allowed for someone to even try to pay more for it.

201 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:53:53pm

re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where did the fat cake eating guy go from your avatar??

202 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:54:02pm

Image: x999.jpg

A Libyan airforce pilot descends from his Mirage F1 fighter jet after landing at Malta International Airport outside Valletta February 21, 2011. Two Libyan fighter jets landed unexpectedly in Malta on Monday, witnesses said. Local newspaper reporters saw the single seater Mirage jets land at Malta's international airport on Monday afternoon. The Maltese Foreign Ministry said it was trying to establish why the planes had landed. No other information was immediately available.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:54:25pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

I resemble that!

204 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:54:31pm

re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I started reading those books. Got through three. It was a struggle.

Great idea, IMO, application of the idea was a train wreck. Bad writing.

There is a certain percentage of the population who will buy canned cat shit if you get the right people to swear that it is Christian canned cat shit.

205 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:54:42pm

Happy Presidents Day!
Washington was the only President that didn't blame everything on the previous Administration

206 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:55:08pm

re: #205 HoosierHoops

Happy Presidents Day!
Washington was the only President that didn't blame everything on the previous Administration

Zing.

207 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:55:11pm

re: #196 wozzablog

I take that back. It was a compliment :-)

(removes the pineapple)

the drone has been recalled.

208 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:55:46pm

re: #193 Gus 802

Yeah, they landed in Malta. Good for them.

Time for a nice side trip in some nifty kites. Because screw killing a bunch of innocents. That crap would be on your conscience forever.

209 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:56:01pm

re: #200 Obdicut

So this is from the pages:

Walker's other Hidden Agenda: Sell off the Power Plants


How fiscally responsible does that sound? That'd make it legal for the state to sell off a public power plant to someone for $5, with no bids allowed for someone to even try to pay more for it.

Your comment left off an important part to that sentence

that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state

Selling it off for $5 with no bids wouldn't be that

210 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:57:01pm

re: #202 Gus 802

Image: x999.jpg

A Libyan airforce pilot descends from his Mirage F1 fighter jet after landing at Malta International Airport outside Valletta February 21, 2011. Two Libyan fighter jets landed unexpectedly in Malta on Monday, witnesses said. Local newspaper reporters saw the single seater Mirage jets land at Malta's international airport on Monday afternoon. The Maltese Foreign Ministry said it was trying to establish why the planes had landed. No other information was immediately available.

uhhh cause crashing into the ocean really sucks?

211 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:57:38pm

going OT (though i'm not sure what that means at this point) -

Is anyone else a "fan" of the economist magazine on facebook and noticed that the editorial line running through their featured blog posts resembles that of our great leader recently?............

212 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:57:43pm

This looks like a rocket launcher pod.

Image: 999x.jpg

213 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:57:43pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

Your comment left off an important part to that sentence

that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state

Selling it off for $5 with no bids wouldn't be that

I'll take 2!

214 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:57:57pm

re: #210 brookly red

uhhh cause crashing into the ocean really sucks?

That was rather witty...............

215 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:58:13pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

Your comment left off an important part to that sentence

that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state

Selling it off for $5 with no bids wouldn't be that

Actually, thats the exact part that makes it legal to sell at any price.

16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

216 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:58:37pm

We're now looking at war crimes. If that will ever go anywhere we'll have to wait and see. Gaddafi can no longer be allowed to "retire" wherever he wishes.

217 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:59:23pm

BBC News:

2255: Elsewhere in Tripoli, reports are coming via Twitter in of an incident at the Egyptian embassy. Ahmad Daghlas tweets: "#Egypt embassy in #Libya has been attacked by a bombed car and the staff is trapped!." Egyptian blogger Wael Abbas also says he has credible reports.
218 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:59:32pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

Your comment left off an important part to that sentence

that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state

Selling it off for $5 with no bids wouldn't be that

Sure it would, if the department determined it would be so. The department doesn't have to prove it. It just has to say it is.

219 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:59:49pm

re: #216 Gus 802

We're now looking at war crimes. If that will ever go anywhere we'll have to wait and see. Gaddafi can no longer be allowed to "retire" wherever he wishes.

his buddy Hugo may feel differently...

220 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 2:59:59pm

re: #154 Gus 802

I'm not so sure the anti Michele sentiment is predicated solely on race.

Michele Obama is the First Lady who has a substantive agenda- one that requires participation and not just approval. That's kicking the whole First Lady thing up a notch. She's shaking things up and upsetting the status quo.

Rosalyn Carter promoted mental health issue and encouraged open discussion (a role she never got enough credit for).

Barbara Bush promoted and worked on literacy issues for decades (and did a great job of it). Who could argue with that?

Laura Bush was heavily involved with early childhood education and then womens health issues.

Virtually all of recent First Ladies were involved in important work, to be sure. Nevertheless, Michelle Obama's work is very different in that it does not involve a single constituency but rather, the nation as a whole. This is very different and her message is one that has not been heard- "look in the mirror and do something about it for yourselves and for your kids".

A lot of people would rather do the lecturing than look in the mirror and deal with the reality that is there.

I believe Ms Obama has changed the way we will look at first ladies. She is a reminder of the meme, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country'.

A healthy country is a better country. She knows that to be true because she is a very smart woman and she is not blind. She knows what she is struggling with and is willing to do so publicly.

Pretty classy if you ask me.

221 sagehen  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:00:19pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

Your comment left off an important part to that sentence

that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state

Selling it off for $5 with no bids wouldn't be that


"That the department determines"... and is the department headed by a political appointee?

No-bid contracts are supposed to be for when you're in a big hurry -- if there's no special reason to rush, then not opening it for bids is *never* in the best interest of the state.

222 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:00:41pm

re: #218 Obdicut

Sure it would, if the department determined it would be so. The department doesn't have to prove it. It just has to say it is.

Look at my post. Immediately following that quote is an explicit statement that the determination of sale would not be subject to oversight in the way that they normally would.

223 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:00:45pm

re: #216 Gus 802

We're now looking at war crimes. If that will ever go anywhere we'll have to wait and see. Gaddafi can no longer be allowed to "retire" wherever he wishes.

he didn't do it....there is no order, he knows nothing about the fanatics he controls, it was chaos and he was in the counting house the whole time

224 Querent  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:01:40pm

re: #223 albusteve

he didn't do it...there is no order, he knows nothing about the fanatics he controls, it was chaos and he was in the counting house the whole time


"and that's my story and i'm sticking to it!"

225 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:01:48pm

re: #221 sagehen

And a no-bid situation for a sale of an asset makes no sense whatseover. You should seek out the best price available. Taking other factors, like the responsibility and ethics of the buying party, into account is fine, but that can be handled through a good bid process.

226 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:02:05pm

re: #212 Gus 802

This looks like a rocket launcher pod.

Image: 999x.jpg

and fortunately the rockets are still in it...

227 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:02:43pm

Russian news agency saying unrest in the ME shows 'Bilderberg Hand'

228 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:02:45pm

re: #223 albusteve

he didn't do it...there is no order, he knows nothing about the fanatics he controls, it was chaos and he was in the counting house the whole time

Yeah. "It wasn't my fault! The SS acted on their own!"

229 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:02:57pm

re: #223 albusteve

he didn't do it...there is no order, he knows nothing about the fanatics he controls, it was chaos and he was in the counting house the whole time

"Things are so chaotic, I don't know who's giving orders to do what. If my generals are ordering people to be bombed, they're doing it without my approval!"

230 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:03:27pm
#
2300: A group of Libyan army officers issue a statement urging fellow soldiers to "join the people" and help to remove Col Gaddafi, Al Jazeera reports.
231 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:03:51pm

re: #227 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Russian news agency saying unrest in the ME shows 'Bilderberg Hand'

[Video]

RT: the other "Alex Jones" network.

Well, not always but a lot of times.

232 Obdicut  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:04:13pm

re: #222 Fozzie Bear

Look at my post. Immediately following that quote is an explicit statement that the determination of sale would not be subject to oversight in the way that they normally would.

No, that's actually a slightly different statement, saying that a public utility can buy any plant without any certification, or contract for its operation without certification. It states that any purchase of a power plant, et al., is automatically in the public interest.

So the state can sell off its power plants cheaply, if they want, and then give private contractors inflated contracts without any sort of review. If, say, you wanted to give a bunch of money to the energy interests that bankrolled your campaign.

233 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:05:18pm

re: #231 Gus 802

RT: the other "Alex Jones" network.

Well, not always but a lot of times.

NO ONE EXPECTS THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION!

234 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:06:30pm

re: #227 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Russian news agency saying unrest in the ME shows 'Bilderberg Hand'


[Video]

Fuck. They're getting worse and worse. Fucking fuckers.

235 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:06:31pm

re: #230 commadore183

I'd say, by this point, that any chance of this ending like Egypt has come and gone. It's fast approaching Romania and, depending on who's driving, may make a detour straight to Imperial Russia.

236 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:07:00pm

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the Casbah way

-the Clash

237 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:07:29pm

if Mo bugs out, makes it to some sanctuary beach (imagine the humidity in Venezuela?) and dodges efforts to drag his ass back to the gallows, he will never be safe....security will always be relative, because until he dies, somebody will always be ready to do him in

238 freetoken  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:08:03pm

Is Wisconsin Union-Busting Religiously-Sanctioned?

A friend of mine emailed me this weekend and asked about the fight in Wisconsin over the state budget. “Where’s the Religious Right in those events,” she asked, and then wondered whether there is Reconstructionist influence in what’s happening up there.

That got me to thinking… and re-reading Gary North and David Chilton on “Biblical economics.” I have argued that Reconstructionists have spent the last fifty years articulating a critique of American culture and developing resources and institutions (especially Christian schools and Christian homeschools) to “reconstruct” society in terms of what they understand as biblical law. In this world, every aspect of life is governed by biblical law; there is no area of life outside of it.

[...]
Reconstructionist Gary Demar’s tea party-oriented organization, Vision2America, joined the anti-union chorus today. DeMar promotes his views in a number of venues, each tailored to connect with a specific group. His American Vision is explicitly Reconstructionist, arguing that there is no neutrality and that all the positions he takes are rooted in biblical law. Vision2America, though, has a slightly different audience, so while the article focuses only on the Wisconsin budget crisis, it’s important to remember that busting a teachers’ union is just the first step. These folks want to eliminate the Federal Department of Education too, because in the end, they want to eliminate public education.

239 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:08:25pm

Just to drive the point home:

From the WI bill:

16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

So, lets look at s. 196.49 (3) (b)...
[Link: law.justia.com...]

196.49(3)(b)
(b) Except as provided in par. (d), the commission may require by rule or special order under par. (a) that no project may proceed until the commission has certified that public convenience and necessity require the project. The commission may refuse to certify a project if it appears that the completion of the project will do any of the following:
196.49(3)(b)1.
1. Substantially impair the efficiency of the service of the public utility.
196.49(3)(b)2.
2. Provide facilities unreasonably in excess of the probable future requirements.
196.49(3)(b)3.
3. When placed in operation, add to the cost of service without proportionately increasing the value or available quantity of service unless the public utility waives consideration by the commission, in the fixation of rates, of such consequent increase of cost of service.
196.49(3)(c)
(c) The commission may issue a certificate for the project or for any part of the project which complies with the requirements of this section, or the commission may attach to the issuance of its certificate such terms and conditions as will ensure that the project meets the requirements of this section. The issuance of a certificate under this section shall not be a condition precedent to the exercise of eminent domain under ch. 32.
196.49(3)(d)
(d) A telecommunications utility is not required to obtain commission certification before beginning a construction project.

I repeat. The bill explicitly allows the government to sell off power utilities at any price whatsoever, and explicitly forbids normal methods of oversight from applying.

Notice also the caption of the bill:

AN ACT relating to: state finances, collective bargaining for public employees,
2 compensation and fringe benefits of public employees, the state civil service
3 system, the Medical Assistance program, sale of certain facilities, granting
4 bonding authority, and making an appropriation.

Almost as if to say. "oh, you know, no big deal, just a little boring procedural stuff". Except that its a license to give away the infrastructure of the state for nothing.

Once again, the Koch brothers aren't throwing money at this because they hate unions. The union thing is cover. It's a trojan horse, imo.

240 Kragar  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:08:32pm

re: #236 brookly red

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the Casbah way

-the Clash

As soon as the shareef was
Chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare

241 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:08:58pm

re: #227 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Russian news agency saying unrest in the ME shows 'Bilderberg Hand'


[Video]

and that hand appears to be a straight flush...

242 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:09:03pm

re: #220 researchok

OK Well, I still think the more intense elements are motivated by race. This includes the obsessive daily railing against the FLOTUS.

In other news I have nothing but respect for Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan. Although during the 80s I was no fan of Nancy. Still, I never attained the current level of FLOTUS derangement during the Reagan era.

243 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:10:03pm

re: #220 researchok

Did you forget Hillary?

244 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:10:06pm

From the Guardian's live blog:

5.07pm – Libya: Salem Gnan, a London-based spokesman for the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, says eyewitnesses in Tripoli have told him the navy has opened fire on parts of the capital.

We have just heard that the military ships are bombing an area in Tripoli and many people have been killed although we don't know how many at the moment because people have just called to tell us it is happening.

245 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:10:15pm

re: #237 albusteve

if Mo bugs out, makes it to some sanctuary beach (imagine the humidity in Venezuela?) and dodges efforts to drag his ass back to the gallows, he will never be safe...security will always be relative, because until he dies, somebody will always be ready to do him in

I don't think that is much of a change...

246 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:10:23pm

re: #242 Gus 802

OK Well, I still think the more intense elements are motivated by race. This includes the obsessive daily railing against the FLOTUS.

In other news I have nothing but respect for Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan. Although during the 80s I was no fan of Nancy. Still, I never attained the current level of FLOTUS derangement during the Reagan era.

Oh yeah- I couldn't agree more.

Crazy (like cash) is king nowadays.

I do believe history will be kind to Michelle Obama.

247 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:10:48pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Did you forget Hillary?

I try to

But she keeps coming back!
/

248 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:11:20pm

Here's an outrageous outrage from the left....
The Pentagon Papers That Donald Rumsfeld Doesn't Want You to See

When Donald Rumsfeld released his memoir Known and Unknown, he made a big deal out of putting thousands of documents from his archives online in a sop to transparency and accuracy. But he didn't put them all online. And we've found some of the papers that Rumsfeld would have preferred to toss down the memory hole.


Sounds pretty outrageous, eh?

None of the missing memos are particularly damning, but they do show Rumsfeld's cavalier attitude to the legality and reality of the war he was busily conjuring prior to 2003.


lol

249 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:12:48pm

re: #240 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

As soon as the shareef was
Chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare

He thinks it's not kosher
Fundamentally he can't take it.
You know he really hates it.

250 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:14:07pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

I try to

But she keeps coming back!
/

/the truth is she never left us...

251 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:14:49pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Did you forget Hillary?

No, I just picked a few random first ladies.

Hillary did a bang up job with her museum efforts. The idea of a substantive preservation effort will be reflected for decades.

She took a lot of flack (some earned, some not) but in the end, came out with everything intact. If she hadn't she wouldn't be Sec of State (I also like her better than BO for president!)

252 wee fury  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:16:26pm

Scott Walker is the Gov. of WI because he won the election. The voters must have decided that he was the right man to lead the State.

253 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:17:14pm

re: #252 wee fury

Scott Walker is the Gov. of WI because he won the election. The voters must have decided that he was the right man to lead the State.

That's true.

It wasn't as if any of his ideas were unknown.

254 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:17:22pm

re: #251 researchok

No, I just picked a few random first ladies.

Hillary did a bang up job with her museum efforts. The idea of a substantive preservation effort will be reflected for decades.

She took a lot of flack (some earned, some not) but in the end, came out with everything intact. If she hadn't she wouldn't be Sec of State (I also like her better than BO for president!)

I often wonder what things would be like today had she won...

255 wee fury  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:18:22pm

re: #253 researchok

That's true.

It wasn't as if any of his ideas were unknown.

Yes.

256 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:18:23pm

re: #251 researchok

No, I just picked a few random first ladies.

Hillary did a bang up job with her museum efforts. The idea of a substantive preservation effort will be reflected for decades.

She took a lot of flack (some earned, some not) but in the end, came out with everything intact. If she hadn't she wouldn't be Sec of State (I also like her better than BO for president!)

The stuff you said Michelle was "first" at would apply to Hillary's attempt to do something about health care. Michelle would be second. Now we can compare the white FLOTUS with the black FLOTUS. Both were/are vilified for trying to do something more than the traditional FLOTUS. But I think the attackers get a lot more personal when they go after Michelle.

257 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:18:30pm

re: #245 brookly red

I don't think that is much of a change...

it will be....presently he probably has several rings around him, all more lethal than the last, and he probably has total, absolute control over any detail....that will likely end

258 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:18:56pm

re: #109 tradewind

Oh sure. It's all just fear-mongering when a bunch of insane, misogynist nutjobs across the country are introducing bills requiring women to get forced ultrasounds, or get counseling at an anti-abortion "crisis pregnancy center" before getting an abortion, or otherwise working to restrict Roe v. Wade.

Toss in the clearly imagined defunding of Planned Parenthood, or the restrictions on birth control and emergency contraception and "conscience clauses" that allow pharmacists to override a woman's rights.

I can't imagine why anyone would be concerned about the Republican party's war on women. I mean, it just makes no fucking sense at all.

///

259 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:19:17pm

A governor is not an emperor.

260 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:20:00pm

re: #257 albusteve

it will be...presently he probably has several rings around him, all more lethal than the last, and he probably has total, absolute control over any detail...that will likely end

that part yes, but he has always had people ready to kill him if they had the chance to.

261 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:20:17pm

re: #254 brookly red

I often wonder what things would be like today had she won...

I think she would have made an excellent president.

That said, as far as national security goes I give Obama five stars. He has done a bang up job in that department.

262 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:20:25pm

re: #254 brookly red

I often wonder what things would be like today had she won...

263 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:20:39pm

re: #259 Gus 802

A governor is not an emperor.

true, governors are elected ;)

264 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:21:11pm

re: #259 Gus 802

A governor is not an emperor.

Right. Where Walker fails is in the pragmatism and compromise arenas.

265 freetoken  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:21:19pm

re: #252 wee fury

re: #253 researchok

I suspect that most people voted for him not because they had extensive knowledge of Walker but because he either had an (R) after his name, or they heard some story from some friend about how his opponent was something horrible/evil.

266 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:21:40pm

re: #254 brookly red

I often wonder what things would be like today had she won...

Dick Morris' head would have actually physically exploded.

So i'm guessing - better :-p

267 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:22:25pm

re: #261 researchok

I think she would have made an excellent president.

That said, as far as national security goes I give Obama five stars. He has done a bang up job in that department.

status quo in effect, he has not been tested yet

268 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:22:35pm

re: #261 researchok

I think she would have made an excellent president.

That said, as far as national security goes I give Obama five stars. He has done a bang up job in that department.

I must disagree, but lets not start a shit storm.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:22:49pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

It should surprise me that Limbaugh is making fun of her weight but then again this is the man who called Chelsea Clinton a dog in the 90's.

Nothing Limbaugh says would surprise me in the slightest. He'll say anything.

Fun fact: Michelle Obama is tied with Eleanor Roosevelt for tallest First Lady. I think Eleanor still wins, because 5-11 is more impressive if you were born in 1884, as opposed to 1964.

270 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:23:42pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

The stuff you said Michelle was "first" at would apply to Hillary's attempt to do something about health care. Michelle would be second. Now we can compare the white FLOTUS with the black FLOTUS. Both were/are vilified for trying to do something more than the traditional FLOTUS. But I think the attackers get a lot more personal when they go after Michelle.

I disagree.

Hillary was involving herself in administrative manners (and did so in private) that would eventually come before the House.

Michelle's efforts are more cultural (and in my opinion, more significant) than were Hillary's.

271 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:24:10pm

re: #267 albusteve

status quo in effect, he has not been tested yet

Just because we haven't had another 9/11 doesn't mean he hasn't been tested.

272 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:24:33pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

Nothing Limbaugh says would surprise me in the slightest. He'll say anything.

Fun fact: Michelle Obama is tied with Eleanor Roosevelt for tallest First Lady. I think Eleanor still wins, because 5-11 is more impressive if you were born in 1884, as opposed to 1964.


some say Elenore was actually FDRs brother

273 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:24:37pm

re: #268 brookly red

I must disagree, but lets not start a shit storm.

No argument here!

274 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:25:10pm

re: #271 Lidane

Just because we haven't had another 9/11 doesn't mean he hasn't been tested.

Obama gave the OK to take out some young Somali pirates. He passed that test.

275 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:25:58pm

re: #271 Lidane

Just because we haven't had another 9/11 doesn't mean he hasn't been tested.

whatever, he has not been tested by any measure to judge his whopping geopolitical prowess

276 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:26:17pm

re: #270 researchok

I disagree.

Hillary was involving herself in administrative manners (and did so in private) that would eventually come before the House.

Michelle's efforts are more cultural (and in my opinion, more significant) than were Hillary's.

That's not what I saw regarding "Hillarycare" at the time. That itself became every known issue to man. And in the end we're hearing more wingnut bullshit about Michelle's diet programs then we ever heard about "Hillarycare".

Bottom line is that the current FLOTUS derangement is record breaking and unjustified.

277 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:26:26pm

re: #270 researchok

I disagree.

Hillary was involving herself in administrative manners (and did so in private) that would eventually come before the House.

Michelle's efforts are more cultural (and in my opinion, more significant) than were Hillary's.

I remember the health care effort being quite public. Oh, well. I'm used to agreeing to disagree with you.

:)

278 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:27:05pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

Obama gave the OK to take out some young Somali pirates. He passed that test.

Yeah, but he hasn't "bombed Iran".

//

279 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:27:26pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

Obama gave the OK to take out some young Somali pirates. He passed that test.

he did, but there was little other choice...not to act would have brought a shitstorm down on him....not enough juice in that incident

280 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:27:36pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

I remember the health care effort being quite public. Oh, well. I'm used to agreeing to disagree with you.

:)

What?? You and I disagree??

Never!

281 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:27:38pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Yeah, but he hasn't "bombed Iran".

//

Drones in Pakistan. Passed another test.

282 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:27:50pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

I remember the health care effort being quite public. Oh, well. I'm used to agreeing to disagree with you.

:)

very true. in the light of day it died...

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:27:58pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Truth to power! Sasha is a Communist! She has a Russian sounding name!

She's a cute Communist, though.

What baffles me is that the child's name on her birth certificate is "Natasha". I have no idea how they got to 'Sasha', which is a diminutive of "Alexandra" from that.

Cute name, either way.

284 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:28:55pm

re: #275 albusteve

No, he just hasn't reached whatever impossible standards you have for being tested. That's all.

285 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:28:56pm

re: #150 brookly red

Braised in Coffee Ancho Chile Sauce...

wth is Coffee Ancho any how?

I think it's coffee and ancho chiles, but I'm not sure.

286 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:29:24pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Yeah, but he hasn't "bombed Iran".

//

well we can't prove Stuknet one way or another... so he may very well have.

287 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:29:25pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Drones in Pakistan. Passed another test.

okay, I see

288 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:29:25pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Drones in Pakistan. Passed another test.

Obama would get 5 stars if he a) bombed Iran; b) bombed North Korea; c) bombed Yemen; d) bombed Syria...

You know. All of the things that GWB was about to do.

;)

289 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:31:02pm

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's coffee and ancho chiles, but I'm not sure.

excellent I have AZ stock! (they make Nexium)

290 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:31:23pm

re: #284 Lidane

No, he just hasn't reached whatever impossible standards you have for being tested. That's all.

when you need say shit like that, you can keep it to yourself....cutting off discourse via snark....you didn't even ask what my standards are, rube

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:31:42pm

re: #197 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I started reading those books. Got through three. It was a struggle.

Great idea, IMO, application of the idea was a train wreck. Bad writing.

There's a liberal Christian blogger who has an insane project going on where he blogs every book in the series, chapter by chapter. It's hilarious.

My supervisor at a job years ago used to like the series. He'd come by my desk to ask how to pronounce the Israeli names.

292 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:32:35pm

re: #276 Gus 802

That's not what I saw regarding "Hillarycare" at the time. That itself became every known issue to man. And in the end we're hearing more wingnut bullshit about Michelle's diet programs then we ever heard about "Hillarycare".

Bottom line is that the current FLOTUS derangement is record breaking and unjustified.

I recall Hillary being handed the mandate and the closed door thing. As for MDS, that was inevitable.

All pathologies left untreated, escalate. Much of the right is now whack job central.

Like I said, I like MO- and I believe this health/diet thing is well worth pursuing. I believe hers is the opening salvo in what will be a national effort (seriously, like NASA). A healthy nation costs a whole lot less than a nation that isn't fit. This is and will be a national priority, much like the TB and vaccination efforts.

293 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:32:40pm

re: #263 brookly red

true, governors are elected ;)

All we have to now is convince Fox News viewers that Obama was also elected and was born in the USA.

//

294 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:33:21pm

re: #288 Gus 802

Obama would get 5 stars if he a) bombed Iran; b) bombed North Korea; c) bombed Yemen; d) bombed Syria...

You know. All of the things that GWB was about to do.

;)

hey he still has 2 years left... it could happen.

295 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:33:37pm

Nobody mention Bush vs. Gore please.

Thx.

/

296 sagehen  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:33:47pm

re: #275 albusteve

whatever, he has not been tested by any measure to judge his whopping geopolitical prowess

That depends on whether or not you think his diplomatic stance and speeches in foreign countries have encouraged any of the revolutions we've been watching.

297 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:33:51pm

re: #295 Gus 802

Nobody mention Bush vs. Gore please.

Thx.

/

LOLOLOL

298 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:33:53pm

re: #288 Gus 802

Obama would get 5 stars if he a) bombed Iran; b) bombed North Korea; c) bombed Yemen; d) bombed Syria...

You know. All of the things that GWB was about to do.

;)

Well, he OK'd taking out that Yemeni guy from New Mexico, does that count towards bombing Yemen?

299 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:34:13pm

re: #220 researchok

I'm not so sure the anti Michele sentiment is predicated solely on race.

Michele Obama is the First Lady who has a substantive agenda- one that requires participation and not just approval. That's kicking the whole First Lady thing up a notch. She's shaking things up and upsetting the status quo.

Rosalyn Carter promoted mental health issue and encouraged open discussion (a role she never got enough credit for).

Barbara Bush promoted and worked on literacy issues for decades (and did a great job of it). Who could argue with that?

Laura Bush was heavily involved with early childhood education and then womens health issues.

Virtually all of recent First Ladies were involved in important work, to be sure. Nevertheless, Michelle Obama's work is very different in that it does not involve a single constituency but rather, the nation as a whole. This is very different and her message is one that has not been heard- "look in the mirror and do something about it for yourselves and for your kids".

A lot of people would rather do the lecturing than look in the mirror and deal with the reality that is there.

I believe Ms Obama has changed the way we will look at first ladies. She is a reminder of the meme, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country'.

A healthy country is a better country. She knows that to be true because she is a very smart woman and she is not blind. She knows what she is struggling with and is willing to do so publicly.

Pretty classy if you ask me.

I think you have a point about why Michelle's work strikes a different chord, but I also think that if she chose to work on any of those things that earlier First Ladies did, the usual suspects would still be whining and screaming about it.

300 sagehen  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:34:22pm

re: #276 Gus 802

That's not what I saw regarding "Hillarycare" at the time. That itself became every known issue to man. And in the end we're hearing more wingnut bullshit about Michelle's diet programs then we ever heard about "Hillarycare".

Bottom line is that the current FLOTUS derangement is record breaking and unjustified.

Nobody's accused Michelle of shooting anyone in the head.

I'm just saying.

301 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:34:50pm

re: #300 sagehen

Nobody's accused Michelle of shooting anyone in the head.

I'm just saying.

Oh. There was that. Good point.

302 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:35:38pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

Well, he OK'd taking out that Yemeni guy from New Mexico, does that count towards bombing Yemen?

Obama has tightened the borders (passports into/from Canada and Mexico, visa from Europe)- something Bush didn't do.

When it comes to national security Obama is 5 star.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:35:38pm

re: #236 brookly red

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the Casbah way

-the Clash

Rock the Casbah. And God be good to those in harm's way.

304 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:35:40pm

re: #300 sagehen

Nobody's accused Michelle of shooting anyone in the head.

I'm just saying.

Maybe they're too scared of Hillary to get as personal as they do with Michelle.

305 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:35:42pm

I'm afraid that Sagehen might have the smoking gun!

306 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:35:58pm

re: #296 sagehen

That depends on whether or not you think his diplomatic stance and speeches in foreign countries have encouraged any of the revolutions we've been watching.

they may be threats to American interests but not so much to American security, so no I would pretty much discount those

307 brookly red  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:36:18pm

re: #300 sagehen

Nobody's accused Michelle of shooting anyone in the head.

I'm just saying.

/she turned me into a newt shot me in the head!

...got better.

308 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:36:53pm

re: #302 researchok

Obama has tightened the borders (passports into/from Canada and Mexico, visa from Europe)- something Bush didn't do.

When it comes to national security Obama is 5 star.

That passport thing was started a LONG time ago, and was delayed a few times. Can't give him that one.

309 Lidane  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:37:46pm

re: #290 albusteve

You pretty much never give Obama credit for any damned thing, so I'd say your standards are impossible. That doesn't make me a rube. It makes me a realist.

When's the last time you gave the guy credit for doing something right?

310 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:37:55pm

Vince FosterVince FosterVince FosterVince FosterVince FosterVince FosterVince FosterVince FosterVince Foster

311 sagehen  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:37:59pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a liberal Christian blogger who has an insane project going on where he blogs every book in the series, chapter by chapter. It's hilarious.

My supervisor at a job years ago used to like the series. He'd come by my desk to ask how to pronounce the Israeli names.

[Link: slacktivist.typepad.com...]

He's brilliant; I started reading for his epic takedown of The World's Worst Books, but I've stuck around for his other topics, and I adore his comments section. Great crew over there.

312 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:38:51pm

This can't be a "feel good" story

CNN just ordered a clip called "Roof Collapse"

313 researchok  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:39:32pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

That passport thing was started a LONG time ago, and was delayed a few times. Can't give him that one.

Yeah, but he did it, despite Canadian (faux) outrage and the bitching from border state governors and retailers.

Remember today's date. I'm giving kudos to Obama rather than Bush.

314 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:39:34pm

re: #312 sattv4u2

This can't be a "feel good" story

CNN just ordered a clip called "Roof Collapse"

Story will be coming out of Detroit

315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:39:50pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Rock the Casbah. And God be good to those in harm's way.

The kids on the playground saw the bully get a bloody nose in Egypt. Now all the kids who had to cry "Uncle" want a piece of the bastards.

316 albusteve  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:42:13pm

re: #309 Lidane

You pretty much never give Obama credit for any damned thing, so I'd say your standards are impossible. That doesn't make me a rube. It makes me a realist.

When's the last time you gave the guy credit for doing something right?

saying little with regard to Egypt....it's a matter of degrees and obviously my bar for judgment is higher than others, but don't pretend you have not judged him yourself....you just don't like my disagreement, so predictable around here....hey, you represent a near perfect cross section of posters here!

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:44:40pm

re: #278 Gus 802

Yeah, but he hasn't "bombed Iran".

//

If that's the standard, we should have voted for Saddam.

318 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:45:32pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

If that's the standard, we should have voted for Saddam.

If you were an Iraqi during his time, you did even if you didn't!

319 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:45:41pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

Story will be coming out of Detroit

I live a few miles south of Detroit and we got hit with about 6-0 inches of snow, with a few inches of ice on top of it, so I'm not surprised a roof collapsed there if so.

Do them mean this?:
Heavy snowfall causes Pontiac grocery market roof collapse

320 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:46:40pm

re: #319 commadore183

I live a few miles south of Detroit and we got hit with about 6-0 inches of snow, with a few inches of ice on top of it, so I'm not surprised a roof collapsed there if so.

Do them mean this?:
Heavy snowfall causes Pontiac grocery market roof collapse

Yup, , thats what I'm passing to CNN now

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:47:19pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

Well, he OK'd taking out that Yemeni guy from New Mexico, does that count towards bombing Yemen?

Or, does it count as bombing New Mexico?

322 TedStriker  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:48:39pm

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The kids on the playground saw the bully get a bloody nose in Egypt. Now all the kids who had to cry "Uncle" want a piece of the bastards.

Aye...the citizens of the ME and north Africa are the Ralphie(s) to the tyrants' Scut Farkus(es). And we all know what Ralphie did to Scut Farkus...

/A Christmas Story

323 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:48:47pm

re: #319 commadore183

I live a few miles south of Detroit and we got hit with about 6-10 inches of snow, with a few inches of ice on top of it, so I'm not surprised a roof collapsed there if so.

Do them mean this?:
Heavy snowfall causes Pontiac grocery market roof collapse

FFS, PIMF, commadore!

re: #320 sattv4u2

Yup, , thats what I'm passing to CNN now

Okay, glad no one was hurt.

324 Gus  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:52:01pm

Back later!

325 General Nimrod Bodfish  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:52:13pm

Final update from the BBC News from me before I head off:

#
2348: While the ballet continues on state TV, screen captions tell the audience that Col Gaddafi will speak soon - and will address "malicious rumours" broadcast against him.
326 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 3:52:52pm

re: #323 commadore183

FFS, PIMF, commadore!

re: #320 sattv4u2

Okay, glad no one was hurt.

Thank God,, it said it happened at something like 2 in the morning in a new(er) section of the store that the previous owner built 15 (or so) years ago

327 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Feb 21, 2011 10:00:01pm

re: #254 brookly red

I often wonder what things would be like today had she won...

Well, absent the accusations of her being a Muslim and not being born in the US basically the same. Just switch out the racism for sexism. The socialism talk would definitely still be there since she was for single payer. An instead of insulting Michelle Obama's appearance the wingnuts would be insulting her appearance.

328 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:23:13am

re: #109 tradewind

To borrow a phrase, I think reports of their death have been greatly exaggerated.
With every Republican electoral victory, Roe v. Wade is supposedly closer to extinction, and yet somehow, it survives.
I imagine nothing is going to change that.
But hey... Emily's List has to raise money somehow. Might as well use the fear.

Is it really your position that the right hasn't made getting an abortion harder and harder each year? Are you aware that in 87% of US counties, there are no abortion providers? Make fun of Emily's List all you want but it makes you look like an out of touch asshole when you do.

329 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:36:31pm

re: #328 leftynyc

Is it really your position that the right hasn't made getting an abortion harder and harder each year? Are you aware that in 87% of US counties, there are no abortion providers? Make fun of Emily's List all you want but it makes you look like an out of touch asshole when you do.

you'll never get a response to this question :D

330 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:39:25pm

re: #242 Gus 802

OK Well, I still think the more intense elements are motivated by race. This includes the obsessive daily railing against the FLOTUS.

In other news I have nothing but respect for Laura Bush and Nancy Reagan. Although during the 80s I was no fan of Nancy. Still, I never attained the current level of FLOTUS derangement during the Reagan era.

Yeah, when you see some right winger losing it about some tiny detail about Michelle Obama, you know what that is all about


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