1 Kragar  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:48:08pm

Why do they hate America?

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:49:25pm

Of course the Republicans who made so much noise about a smaller portion of the public opposing Obama's health care plan will be silent about this.

3 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:50:37pm

Rasmussen tried to fudge some positive numbers for Walker in this debacle, but Nate Silver called them out in a big way. (Rasmussen is the only polling firm that has come up with poll numbers that would favor Walker's plan.)

4 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:52:13pm

Like I said a couple of days ago. Governor Walker is losing the PR battle and now we can toss in the rest of the GOP. They are not going to relive the Reagan-ATC union in this matter as that was within the context of a strike. In this case Walker and his cronies are clearly attempting to obstruct and dismantle collective bargaining at a time when most Americans are finding it difficult if not impossible to make ends meet.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:54:14pm

The questions were leading/unclear/inaccurate!
They oversampled Dems/undersampled Repubs!
The sample size is too small/too large/uneven!
Who are you going to believe: People who can't get off polling lists or Fox News?!

///

6 Stanghazi  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:55:04pm

re: #3 Fozzie Bear

Rasmussen tried to fudge some positive numbers for Walker in this debacle, but Nate Silver called them out in a big way. (Rasmussen is the only polling firm that has come up with poll numbers that would favor Walker's plan.)

Hasn't he lost like 20% approval in 2 weeks??

Need to find link.

7 teleskiguy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:56:12pm
A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll

That's State-Run Media! Not to be trusted. Only World Nut Daily, Fox, 'n Rush 'n Sean 'n Glenn!

Oh, and stock up on emergency seeds and weapons for the coming apocalypse!

/∞

8 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:56:59pm

almost forgotten is management, the folks that make sweetheart, budgetbusting deals with unions to begin with....I see no reason to eliminate collective bargaining but when the rubber hits the road, people have to compromise...splitting town to avoid a vote is not an option IMO

9 Kragar  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:57:33pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

That's State-Run Media! Not to be trusted. Only World Nut Daily, Fox, 'n Rush 'n Sean 'n Glenn!

Oh, and stock up on emergency seeds and weapons for the coming apocalypse!

/∞

Buy gold...

10 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:58:39pm

re: #8 albusteve

almost forgotten is management, the folks that make sweetheart, budgetbusting deals with unions to begin with...I see no reason to eliminate collective bargaining but when the rubber hits the road, people have to compromise...splitting town to avoid a vote is not an option IMO

Eliminating collective bargaining rather than dealing with a union willing to accept concessions isn't compromise. It's class warfare.

11 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 2:58:47pm

I am relieved to read this. Keep up the good fight, Wisconsin!

12 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:00:17pm

re: #10 Fozzie Bear

Eliminating collective bargaining rather than dealing with a union willing to accept concessions isn't compromise. It's class warfare.

I didn't say it was

13 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:00:41pm

re: #8 albusteve

almost forgotten is management, the folks that make sweetheart, budgetbusting deals with unions to begin with...I see no reason to eliminate collective bargaining but when the rubber hits the road, people have to compromise...splitting town to avoid a vote is not an option IMO


Just think of it as a state level filibuster...

14 elizajane  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:01:34pm

The unions were willing to make quite a lot of sane, necessary compromises to begin with, and Walker seemed to hold all the cards; but he may still have managed to overplay his hand. It would be great if the unions both learned the benefit of compromise from this AND ended up with a stronger public profile. For the sake of the middle class, we can but hope.

15 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:01:41pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

That's State-Run Media! Not to be trusted. Only World Nut Daily, Fox, 'n Rush 'n Sean 'n Glenn!

Oh, and stock up on emergency seeds and weapons for the coming apocalypse!

/∞

Lame stream media... George Soros run... left wing media... enemdia... liberal Gallup... Moozlim Brotherhood libruls...

Eleventy!

16 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:01:53pm

re: #13 jamesfirecat

Just think of it as a state level filibuster...

leaving town?....no

17 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:02:20pm

re: #12 albusteve

I didn't say it was

Well, my point is that I think it's totally reasonable to leave town given the craven nature of this bill. It is better than folding. It warms my heart to see the left sprouting a spine again.

18 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:02:41pm

This poll doesn't even discuss the sweetheart tax breaks to the douche bag brothers that created a false budget crisis to begin with.

19 teleskiguy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:02:45pm

For all the leftist revisionism in A People's History of the United States, Howard Zinn does offer some fine writing on the big labor movements of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with awesome firsthand accounts of the leaders of these labor movements.

Kurt Vonnegut's favorite human being was Eugene Debs.

20 Simply Sarah  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:02:51pm

Poll numbers alone won't stop this. This 61% needs to call/write/visit their reps (Assuming they aren't currently on the lam) and make themselves heard. Only when it becomes clear that the voters are both opposed and ready to act in that opposition will the GOP be forced to back down.

21 brookly red  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:03:33pm

re: #16 albusteve

leaving town?...no

look at the bright side... if it works maybe congress will run away too.

22 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:04:54pm

The wingnuts are nervous.

23 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:06:29pm

re: #21 brookly red

look at the bright side... if it works maybe congress will run away too.

With any luck it will start with the GOP majority in the House.

24 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:06:36pm

re: #17 Fozzie Bear

Well, my point is that I think it's totally reasonable to leave town given the craven nature of this bill. It is better than folding. It warms my heart to see the left sprouting a spine again.

then I'm missing the point of leaving town....what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

25 brookly red  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:07:38pm

re: #23 Gus 802

With any luck it will start with the GOP majority in the House.

I wouldn't get your hopes up...

26 andres  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:08:03pm

re: #24 albusteve

then I'm missing the point of leaving town...what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

It holds up the vote. Wisconsin (and several states) have a quorum rule to hold up votes.

27 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:08:35pm

re: #23 Gus 802

With any luck it will start with the GOP majority in the House.

please...this gig has fallen apart over the decades and it seems to me that blame can be heaped bilaterally....the TP thing is a short moment in time so far....I hate the feds

28 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:08:37pm

re: #23 Gus 802

With any luck it will start with the GOP majority in the House.

They're too busy putting big government in charge of the uterus.
Or something.

29 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:09:08pm

Great signs from Madison:[Link: www.slate.com...]

30 Simply Sarah  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:09:13pm

re: #24 albusteve

then I'm missing the point of leaving town...what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

It holds up the vote so people can actually the nasty stuff the bill is proposing, instead of it being rammed through the process in a few days.

31 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:09:24pm

re: #26 andres

It holds up the vote. Wisconsin (and several states) have a quorum rule to hold up votes.

thanks, I was not sure

32 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:09:30pm

re: #24 albusteve

then I'm missing the point of leaving town...what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

33 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:10:01pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

They're too busy putting big government in charge of the uterus.
Or something.

+1000

34 brookly red  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:10:04pm

re: #24 albusteve

then I'm missing the point of leaving town...what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

yes and no, the way I understand it for spending measures they need a certain percentage of the house present-for non spending measures just a simple majority need be present.

35 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:10:13pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

"Peace out, bitches!"
/

36 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:11:05pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

That's hilarious.

37 simoom  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:12:28pm

Fake Tea Partier gets invited up on stage at event and trolls the gathering:

Youtube Video
(jump to ~2:00 in to skip to the action)
38 Jadespring  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:12:52pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

LOL Great mental picture there.

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:12:52pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Now I have this mental image of Lincoln jumping out a window, and saying "Oops, forgot my hat" and being on his way.

40 darthstar  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:13:26pm

61% oppose doing away with collective bargaining? What is this? Some kind of democracy?

41 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:13:30pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

This is definitely my favorite story of the day

42 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:13:43pm

re: #27 albusteve

please...this gig has fallen apart over the decades and it seems to me that blame can be heaped bilaterally...the TP thing is a short moment in time so far...I hate the feds

That was a joke Steve. That being said I'm still not happy at all with the direction the House taken in their obsession with women's reproduction. Amongst many other things.

43 brookly red  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:13:53pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

/Bill Clinton once jumped out a window cause he heard a car pull into the driveway! (rimshot!)

44 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:15:07pm

re: #27 albusteve

I hate the feds


Have you ever thought about just ending every one of your posts with that?

45 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:15:48pm

re: #44 jamesfirecat

Have you ever thought about just ending every one of your posts with that?

It's a nice day out. Thinking about going fishing.

I hate the feds.

//

46 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:17:26pm

re: #44 jamesfirecat

Have you ever thought about just ending every one of your posts with that?

I used to, them and the UN if I could squeeze them in....I expect more from the govt than they are capable of delivering....pigs at the trough

47 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:17:28pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

They're too busy putting big government in charge of the uterus.
Or something.

What, not putting jobs forward?/

48 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:18:37pm

re: #42 Gus 802

That was a joke Steve. That being said I'm still not happy at all with the direction the House taken in their obsession with women's reproduction. Amongst many other things.

that and their attacks on the gay community....that's it for me, no more respect until something changes or someone speaks out

49 compound idaho  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:18:43pm

re: #40 darthstar

61% oppose doing away with collective bargaining? What is this? Some kind of democracy?

I doubt the poll sample represents a quorum.

50 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:20:20pm

re: #47 prairiefire

What, not putting jobs forward?/

They're really popular with the Sonogram Manufacturers Association of America.

//

51 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:20:21pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

That's State-Run Media! Not to be trusted. Only World Nut Daily, Fox, 'n Rush 'n Sean 'n Glenn!

Oh, and stock up on emergency seeds and weapons for the coming apocalypse!

/∞

Professor Beck says the perfect storm is here...MUHAHAHAHA!

Media Matters Video
52 albusteve  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:20:38pm

re: #45 Gus 802

It's a nice day out. Thinking about going fishing.

I hate the feds.

//

wait til they tax your night crawlers

53 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:21:14pm

re: #52 albusteve

wait til they tax your night crawlers

And ban sport fishing! ;)

54 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:21:40pm

re: #51 Kid A

Professor Beck says the perfect storm is here...MUHAHAHAHA!

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

I can't wait to hear what he'll say next!

55 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:28:06pm

re: #50 Gus 802

They're really popular with the Sonogram Manufacturers Association of America.

//

//Don't forget the baby bottle makers....

Actually that reminds me of a joke...

A guy is going on a tour of a factory that produces various latex products.

At the first stop, he is shown the machine that manufactures baby-bottle nipples. The machine makes a loud "hiss-pop" noise. "The hiss is the rubber being injected into the mold," explains the guide. "The popping sound is the needle poking a hole in the end of the nipple."

Later, the tour reaches the part of the factory where condoms are manufactured. The machine makes a "Hiss. Hiss. Hiss. Hiss-pop" noise. "Wait a minute!" says the man taking the tour. "I understand what the 'hiss, hiss,' is, but what's that 'pop' every so often?" "Oh, it's just the same as in the baby-bottle nipple machine," says the guide. It pokes a hole in every fourth condom." "Well, that can't be good for the condoms!" "Yeah, but it's great for the baby-bottle nipple business!"

source: [Link: www.jokebuddha.com...]

56 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:30:09pm

re: #24 albusteve

then I'm missing the point of leaving town...what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

Yes. They need a certain percentage of legislators present to hold a vote. it buys them some time for the protests to make an impression, and hopefully peel enough of the bill's supporting votes to defeat it.

It's looking lately like GOP support for the bill in the WI state house is getting shakier by the day. I'm hoping it works.

57 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:31:11pm

re: #32 jamesfirecat

Yes it does hold up the vote.

They can't vote without a quorum and before you say its unamerican, Abraham Lincoln once JUMPED OUT A WINDOW to avoid giving the opposing party a quorum.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

That's awesome. Go Abe!

58 teleskiguy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:37:07pm

re: #51 Kid A

Professor Beck says the perfect storm is here...MUHAHAHAHA!

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

What a freak.

NAME THEM!

59 lostlakehiker  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:38:16pm

re: #4 Gus 802

Like I said a couple of days ago. Governor Walker is losing the PR battle and now we can toss in the rest of the GOP. They are not going to relive the Reagan-ATC union in this matter as that was within the context of a strike. In this case Walker and his cronies are clearly attempting to obstruct and dismantle collective bargaining at a time when most Americans are finding it difficult if not impossible to make ends meet.

If that is so, then collective bargaining in the public sector has to count as a contributing factor, not as a solution.

The Wisconsin teachers make far more than their counterparts in states where salaries are set by the market. The money they get is money the state didn't have to spend, to get the same services. Money that either could have been remitted to the taxpayers, or used to fund services for those who make less than the average wage, rather than comfortably more.

Collective bargaining in the private sector pits equals against equals. Neither the union, nor the company, commands armies. No company can send customers to jail for not buying.

The employer is constrained by that reality, and this in turn constrains the union. If its demands pass all reasonable bounds, the company will just go under.

When a public service union "bargains" with its counterpart, the state, matters are different. The state doesn't have to worry about whether its customers will buy. Its taxpayers will indeed pay. Or else. This makes it convenient for management to sign off on wage increases. Better still, wage increases translate into increased union dues, some healthy fraction of which goes to political activity in support of pliable management.

It's a win-win-lose situation. The party that supports the union wins. The union wins. And the taxpayers lose. The comfortable are comforted, and the afflicted get no relief because even if they win an election, so what? Elections have consequences, except when they don't.

This positive feedback loop, like all such loops, must at some point break. Wisconsin is at the breaking point. It's not just Wisconsin, for that matter. If this battle goes to the Democrats, as seems quite possible, then by and by, some Democrat-run state will find itself having the same argument. No state can afford exponentially increasing benefits for a select few, at the putative expense of an infinitely taxable, but in reality finite, pool of "rich" taxpayers.

60 Bob Levin  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:38:36pm

Heh. 61% is a number that would include the Great American Unaffiliated Party. There goes the edge that put the Tea Party into office. Buh-Bye. You just knew that they would misinterpret the election results as a mandate.

61 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:39:16pm

re: #59 lostlakehiker

Mitch Daniels calls for Indiana's proposed anti-worker bill to be dropped

62 prairiefire  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:40:02pm

re: #60 Bob Levin

Heh. 61% is a number that would include the Great American Unaffiliated Party. There goes the edge that put the Tea Party into office. Buh-Bye. You just knew that they would misinterpret the election results as a mandate.

Re-quoted because this is true!

63 lostlakehiker  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:42:08pm

re: #61 Gus 802

Mitch Daniels calls for Indiana's proposed anti-worker bill to be dropped

Nice spin there. Anti-worker bill, doing away with collective bargaining, etc. That's not what's afoot. A win for these public employee unions is a loss for everyone else, high and low.

Collective bargaining in the private sphere is an entirely different question, and quite naturally, any poll that asks should that be done away with will get a resounding no vote.

64 Gus  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:42:51pm

re: #63 lostlakehiker

Nice spin there. Anti-worker bill, doing away with collective bargaining, etc. That's not what's afoot. A win for these public employee unions is a loss for everyone else, high and low.

Collective bargaining in the private sphere is an entirely different question, and quite naturally, any poll that asks should that be done away with will get a resounding no vote.

Checkmate.

65 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:44:17pm

re: #60 Bob Levin

Heh. 61% is a number that would include the Great American Unaffiliated Party. There goes the edge that put the Tea Party into office. Buh-Bye. You just knew that they would misinterpret the election results as a mandate.

They thought they had a "man date", and they got all excited.

66 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:45:09pm

re: #59 lostlakehiker

If that is so, then collective bargaining in the public sector has to count as a contributing factor, not as a solution.

The Wisconsin teachers make far more than their counterparts in states where salaries are set by the market. The money they get is money the state didn't have to spend, to get the same services. Money that either could have been remitted to the taxpayers, or used to fund services for those who make less than the average wage, rather than comfortably more.

Collective bargaining in the private sector pits equals against equals. Neither the union, nor the company, commands armies. No company can send customers to jail for not buying.

The employer is constrained by that reality, and this in turn constrains the union. If its demands pass all reasonable bounds, the company will just go under.

When a public service union "bargains" with its counterpart, the state, matters are different. The state doesn't have to worry about whether its customers will buy. Its taxpayers will indeed pay. Or else. This makes it convenient for management to sign off on wage increases. Better still, wage increases translate into increased union dues, some healthy fraction of which goes to political activity in support of pliable management.

It's a win-win-lose situation. The party that supports the union wins. The union wins. And the taxpayers lose. The comfortable are comforted, and the afflicted get no relief because even if they win an election, so what? Elections have consequences, except when they don't.

This positive feedback loop, like all such loops, must at some point break. Wisconsin is at the breaking point. It's not just Wisconsin, for that matter. If this battle goes to the Democrats, as seems quite possible, then by and by, some Democrat-run state will find itself having the same argument. No state can afford exponentially increasing benefits for a select few, at the putative expense of an infinitely taxable, but in reality finite, pool of "rich" taxpayers.

And the way that corporations pour money into the government to get the laws they want passed isn't the exact same thing?

By the way BOTH my parents are PUBLIC sector union employees.

Since when did it become Unamerican to try to make as much money at your job as possible, or vote for the people whose policies you support?

67 recusancy  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:53:32pm

re: #24 albusteve

then I'm missing the point of leaving town...what's that prove? and what is the result? does it hold up the vote?

Abraham Lincoln did it.

68 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 3:55:29pm

[Fox News]

A new study out today shows that 147 million Americans support Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker in his efforts to balance the budget by asking for concessions from the Unions for several classes of state workers.

The Republican lawmakers valiantly stayed in the legislature to keep things running normally today, while there was still no sign of the cowardly Democrats.

[/Fox News]

69 robdouth  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:29:40pm

re: #14 elizajane

But with collective bargaining, any "sane concessions" can be removed as soon as they get a Democrat back in office to give them their loyalty kickbacks. Without the collective bargaining, the rates increase based on CPI and they don't squeeze more out of the taxpayers. Of course they'll concede temporary wage reductions, because they'll get it back with interest as soon as they pay for the next Democrat, even if it means waiting 2-3 terms.

70 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:36:37pm

re: #69 robdouth

But with collective bargaining, any "sane concessions" can be removed as soon as they get a Democrat back in office to give them their loyalty kickbacks. Without the collective bargaining, the rates increase based on CPI and they don't squeeze more out of the taxpayers. Of course they'll concede temporary wage reductions, because they'll get it back with interest as soon as they pay for the next Democrat, even if it means waiting 2-3 terms.

Since when is it unamerican to want to get paid as much as possible for doing your job?

71 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:44:08pm
Youtube Video

Pipe and drum corp playing at Ohio protest. I work with two of these guys.

72 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:46:03pm

I am disheartened that after putting in 20 years, seeing some of the most god awful things a person can imagine (Short of war). That I as a public employee am regarded by some, as nothing but a leach on society, that has taken the public to the cleaners.

73 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:47:07pm

re: #69 robdouth

But with collective bargaining, any "sane concessions" can be removed as soon as they get a Democrat back in office to give them their loyalty kickbacks. Without the collective bargaining, the rates increase based on CPI and they don't squeeze more out of the taxpayers. Of course they'll concede temporary wage reductions, because they'll get it back with interest as soon as they pay for the next Democrat, even if it means waiting 2-3 terms.

how dare those fuckers get a paycheck

I mean, the fucking gall

74 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:47:30pm

re: #71 dmon

[Video]Pipe and drum corp playing at Ohio protest. I work with two of these guys.

That comes up blank. Try again?

75 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:48:41pm

re: #69 robdouth

Because a teacher in Wisconsin, having aquired a masters degree, and 13 years seniority is surely screwing over the public with her $41000 salary.....//

76 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:49:27pm
Youtube Video


Worked when I previewed it

77 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:49:47pm

re: #69 robdouth

But with collective bargaining, any "sane concessions" can be removed as soon as they get a Democrat back in office to give them their loyalty kickbacks. Without the collective bargaining, the rates increase based on CPI and they don't squeeze more out of the taxpayers. Of course they'll concede temporary wage reductions, because they'll get it back with interest as soon as they pay for the next Democrat, even if it means waiting 2-3 terms.

Everybody knows you never go full retard.

78 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:49:58pm

Why does it work when I preview but come up blank in the post??????

79 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:53:11pm

Try trimming any "&blah=blahblahblah" sections off the end of the URL.

80 MinisterO  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:55:05pm

On the other side, 33% of Americans (and 54% of Republicans) answered that they would favor a bill that would take away some of the collective bargaining rights of most public unions in their states.

Depressing as that is, it's not much of a change. About 30% of the population hates labor unions in general and it's been that way for years.

81 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:57:45pm

re: #80 MinisterO

On the other side, 33% of Americans (and 54% of Republicans) answered that they would favor a bill that would take away some of the collective bargaining rights of most public unions in their states.

Depressing as that is, it's not much of a change. About 30% of the population hates labor unions in general and it's been that way for years.

You can get a solid 1/5th to 25% of Americans to say they agree with anything....

82 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 4:59:52pm

The American dream 1950....... If I work hard, an the country does well, my piece of the pie will get bigger and I can provide for my family and live a better life.


American dream 2010.......... If I work really hard and the country does well, I might get to keep the pay i have and be able to my electric bill

83 dmon  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:00:37pm

re: #82 dmon

The American dream 1950... If I work hard, an the country does well, my piece of the pie will get bigger and I can provide for my family and live a better life.

American dream 2010... If I work really hard and the country does well, I might get to keep the pay i have and be able to pay my electric bill


Damn fat fingers

84 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:10:59pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

You can get a solid 1/5th to 25% of Americans to say they agree with anything...

Those are the ones who don't know the difference between 1/5 and 25%.

Any reason you chose both modes for your point?

85 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:24:55pm

re: #84 Naso Tang

Those are the ones who don't know the difference between 1/5 and 25%.

Any reason you chose both modes for your point?

I used "to" in the sense of "ranging between two items"

Thus you can get a solid 1/5th (20%) to 25% (1/4th) to agree with anything.

But I guess those are also the ones who don't know how grammar is suppose to work.

86 Bob Levin  Tue, Feb 22, 2011 5:41:14pm

re: #65 Fozzie Bear

I should be down-dinged for up-dinging that pun. Pay it forward.


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