CNN breaking news: former White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel will be Chicago’s new mayor:
CNN projects former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel wins the Chicago mayoral vote by more than 50%, avoiding a runoff.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:17:40pm |
Good for him.... does this have any long range political implications?
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Kronocide Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:19:08pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
Good for him... does this have any long range political implications?
Yes: pissing off the wingnuts.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:19:18pm |
Ha! I really don't know anything about him but I like him for the same reason I liked Karl Rove; they both turn their opponents into raving conspiracy loons.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:19:30pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
Good for him... does this have any long range political implications?
No but there's free ballet tickets for everyone who voted for him!
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:20:02pm |
Fuckin' A! You fucking fucks better understand there's a new sheriff in town!
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Merryweather Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:20:54pm |
re: #2 BigPapa
Yes: pissing off the wingnuts.
Ironically, this is more likely to piss off the far left. Rahm is their boogeyman.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:22:25pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
Good for him... does this have any long range political implications?
just another in a long line, people fleeing tax and spend Chicago are filling the burbs
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:22:57pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
Good for him... does this have any long range political implications?
Yep, pisses off both wingnuts and the moonbats who liked Ms. Former Senator.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:23:21pm |
re: #7 Merryweather
Ironically, this is more likely to piss off the far left. Rahm is their boogeyman.
He's an arch-triangulator.
But - he was at the heart of the Obama/Marxist/Mooslim Whitehouse........so, still plenty of right wing splodyhead potential :p
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:25:55pm |
look for Chicago to be even more rundown, frayed around the edges, less safe while tourist dollars decline....taxing the life out of the city itself
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:27:49pm |
Well that was quick. I'll admit I wasn't paying much attention, but I thought this was a primary race.
Oh well, both the right and the professional left will be apoplectic.
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:28:28pm |
re: #11 albusteve
look for Chicago to be even more rundown, frayed around the edges, less safe while tourist dollars decline...taxing the life out of the city itself
If he is even half the operator even the GOP credits him to be - i think reports of Chicago's death will be greatly exaggerated.
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:28:49pm |
Embarrassed Republicans Admit They've Been Thinking Of Eisenhower Whole Time They've Been Praising Reagan
FEBRUARY 21, 2011
GOP leaders "can't believe" they misattributed Eisenhower's breadth of vision and leadership to Reagan.
WASHINGTON—At a press conference Monday, visibly embarrassed leaders of the Republican National Committee acknowledged that their nonstop, effusive praise of Ronald Reagan has been wholly unintentional, admitting they somehow managed to confuse him with Dwight D. Eisenhower for years.The GOP's humiliating blunder was discovered last weekend by RNC chairman Reince Priebus, who realized his party had been extolling "completely the wrong guy" after he watched the History Channel special Eisenhower: An American Portrait.
"When I heard about Eisenhower's presidential accomplishments—holding down the national debt, keeping inflation in check, and fighting for balanced budgets—it hit me that we'd clearly gotten their names mixed up at some point," Priebus told reporters. "I couldn't believe we'd been associating terms like 'visionary,' 'principled,' and 'bold' with President Reagan. That wasn't him at all—that was Ike."
"We deeply regret misattributing such a distinguished and patriotic legacy to Mr. Reagan," Priebus added. "We really screwed up."
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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celticdragon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:30:01pm |
Any minute now, I expect Raum to be on TV yelling
Bada-fucking-bing you shitheads! Where's my g*ddamn coffee??!
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:30:17pm |
re: #10 wozzablog
He's an arch-triangulator.
But - he was at the heart of the Obama/Marxist/Mooslim Whitehouse...so, still plenty of right wing splodyhead potential :p
You know this is gonna burn Rush's (among others) biscuits come tomorrow...good. I don't particularly care for Rahm for the same reasons I soured on Rove, they're master manipulators that can get lower than whale shit. However, unlike Rove (which seemed to me to be out for no one other than himself), Rove seems to want to help his hometown out by serving as mayor.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:30:23pm |
re: #11 albusteve
look for Chicago to be even more rundown, frayed around the edges, less safe while tourist dollars decline...taxing the life out of the city itself
If he can do something to get the Cubs in the World Series I might give him a pass.
;)
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:31:49pm |
OT: Meanwhile in the PRofCheeseheadistan,
Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown Madison
The billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:31:56pm |
re: #11 albusteve
look for Chicago to be even more rundown, frayed around the edges, less safe while tourist dollars decline...taxing the life out of the city itself
I don't know, Steve. There's a tremendous amount of value in the real estate there. It's not like folks in Lincoln Park are going to move to Naperville.
By the way, when are you getting your new wheel?
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:32:21pm |
re: #16 talon_262
Err, meant "Rahm seems to want to help his hometown out by serving as mayor"
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:33:00pm |
re: #18 wlewisiii
OT: Meanwhile in the PRofCheeseheadistan,
Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown MadisonThe billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
Color me shocked and surprised...
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:34:45pm |
re: #18 wlewisiii
OT: Meanwhile in the PRofCheeseheadistan,
Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown MadisonThe billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
Shocked! Shocked I am!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:35:39pm |
re: #19 austin_blue
I don't know, Steve. There's a tremendous amount of value in the real estate there. It's not like folks in Lincoln Park are going to move to Naperville.
By the way, when are you getting your new wheel?
several weeks at best....man, I tell you I'm looking forward to that day, the end of a three year nightmare...I've been detoxing from oxycodone the last five days and that alone is kicking my ass....one thing after another!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:35:43pm |
re: #18 wlewisiii
OT: Meanwhile in the PRofCheeseheadistan,
Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown MadisonThe billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.
[Link: host.madison.com...]
haha of course
I really think the Koch brothers will help us to achieve my vision of living in the world of Max Headroom, where all real journalists are outlaws and the most popular sport involves motorized skateboards and freddy krueger claws
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:36:22pm |
Wisconsin protesters have all the pizza they can handle. Help donate to their beverage fund...
The funny part is they do not want Dixie brand cups (KOCH OWNED!)
[Link: www.americablog.com...]
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:36:37pm |
re: #18 wlewisiii
Eeny meiny moe, catch a tiger by it's toe.
If it hollers, let it go.
Eeny meiny moe.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:37:14pm |
re: #26 mracb
Wisconsin protesters have all the pizza they can handle. Help donate to their beverage fund...
The funny part is they do not want Dixie brand cups (KOCH OWNED!)
[Link: www.americablog.com...]
And probably beer is out of the question :D
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:37:25pm |
re: #24 albusteve
several weeks at best...man, I tell you I'm looking forward to that day, the end of a three year nightmare...I've been detoxing from oxycodone the last five days and that alone is kicking my ass...one thing after another!
I've heard that stuff can be hard as hell to quit...
Oh I wish I was on Oxycotton....
Our tums then would be forgotten
Look away...
Look away
Limbaugh fans....
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celticdragon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:37:27pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Ha! I really don't know anything about him but I like him for the same reason I liked Karl Rove; they both turn their opponents into raving conspiracy loons.
Karl Rove was a hack who was willing to use racism to get votes in South Carolina, and who was willing to pander to anti GLBT bigots (Teh fagz are coming to rape yer children) in much the same way.
He was a disciple of Lee Atwater
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*gger, n*gger, n*gger." By 1968 you can't say "n*gger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*gger, n*gger."[6][7]
No need to make up conspiracy stories about him. He is disgusting enough in real life.
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:38:12pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:38:14pm |
Chicago's first Jewish Mayor. Congratulations, at the very least strike at antisemitism. Love it.
I suspect the chief of staff job will be looked at fondly as a vacation by comparison after a few months by Rahm.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:38:23pm |
re: #28 WindUpBird
And probably beer is out of the question :D
well, roll a fatty, sit back and wait for the end game....bring some drums too
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:38:26pm |
re: #24 albusteve
several weeks at best...man, I tell you I'm looking forward to that day, the end of a three year nightmare...I've been detoxing from oxycodone the last five days and that alone is kicking my ass...one thing after another!
Hang in there. I am sure I am speaking for the vast majority on this blog when I give a chaste man-hug:
{{{Steve}}}
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:39:18pm |
re: #31 mracb
Then I no longer support them.
Bringing a keg into the capitol might prove to be legally hazy
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Kronocide Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:39:24pm |
re: #18 wlewisiii
OT: Meanwhile in the PRofCheeseheadistan,
Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown Madison
Prager and Medved were retorting about the Koch brother's influence today, diminishing it's importance and ridiculing the fact that it was brought up. Once pathetic point they both made was that the Koch $ was much less than union money.
A talking point making the rounds is 'it's not private unions, only public, and they are corrupt because of their influence.' I really don't see much of a difference between public and private: the Koch brothers are a private business entity.
I expect much better logic from them, but I guess I shouldn't.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:40:18pm |
re: #33 albusteve
well, roll a fatty, sit back and wait for the end game...bring some drums too
All of mine have to plug into a wall outlet :(
I am curious how this turns out in a sort of detached way
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Wozza Matter? Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:40:31pm |
re: #30 celticdragon
Karl Rove was a hack who was willing to use racism to get votes in South Carolina, and who was willing to pander to anti GLBT bigots (Teh fagz are coming to rape yer children) in much the same way.
He was a disciple of Lee Atwater
No need to make up conspiracy stories about him. He is disgusting enough in real life.
QFT.
(really gone this time)
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:40:38pm |
re: #30 celticdragon
Karl Rove was a hack who was willing to use racism to get votes in South Carolina, and who was willing to pander to anti GLBT bigots (Teh fagz are coming to rape yer children) in much the same way.
He was a disciple of Lee Atwater
No need to make up conspiracy stories about him. He is disgusting enough in real life.
At least Atwater repented for his evil ways on his deathbed...I somehow don't see Rove doing that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:40:47pm |
re: #37 WindUpBird
well, that was a formatting debacle, whoops
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:41:10pm |
re: #34 austin_blue
Hang in there. I am sure I am speaking for the vast majority on this blog when I give a chaste man-hug:
{{{Steve}}}
thanks, I'll survive, but my molars are taking a beating
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:41:43pm |
I didn't know Harry Reid had issues with hookers.
Harry Reid: ‘The time has come for us to outlaw prostitution’
Sen. Harry Reid on Tuesday called for “an adult conversation” about prostitution in Nevada, saying it is an impediment to economic development because it discourages businesses from moving here.
“Nevada needs to be known as the first place for innovation and investment – not as the last place where prostitution is still legal,” he said in a speech to the Nevada Legislature.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:42:05pm |
re: #35 WindUpBird
Bringing a keg into the capitol might prove to be legally hazy
Just be sure and sing "The Beer Barrel Polka" while you do and you'll be grandfathered in //
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:42:08pm |
[Link: extranosalley.com...]
well how could this be?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:43:19pm |
re: #36 BigPapa
Prager and Medved were retorting about the Koch brother's influence today, diminishing it's importance and ridiculing the fact that it was brought up. Once pathetic point they both made was that the Koch $ was much less than union money.
A talking point making the rounds is 'it's not private unions, only public, and they are corrupt because of their influence.' I really don't see much of a difference between public and private: the Koch brothers are a private business entity.
I expect much better logic from them, but I guess I shouldn't.
Medved's show is only good when he talks about Sasquatch, I at least can admit to some curiousity about his bizarro tastes in film, at least that's interesting
Prager is just a steaming rich pile, always hated that guy, always will
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:44:10pm |
re: #42 NJDhockeyfan
I didn't know Harry Reid had issues with hookers.
Harry Reid: ‘The time has come for us to outlaw prostitution’
Honestly I'm still waiting for an adult conversation on the Rest of the US, it already exists, it will continue to exist, why not legalizing and give the police one fewer thing to worry about?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:45:23pm |
re: #42 NJDhockeyfan
I didn't know Harry Reid had issues with hookers.
Harry Reid: ‘The time has come for us to outlaw prostitution’
liberals trying to control men's bodies again...and they might outlaw circumcision in San Fransisco....these people will stop at nothing
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:45:36pm |
re: #45 albusteve
electric bongos?...kewl!
They have those! Roland makes a set that's crazy expensive but really awesome. But that's not what I have, I have a more junky version (as in, not as many fancy and $$$ Roland triggers) of this: [Link: compare.ebay.com...]
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:46:48pm |
re: #47 jamesfirecat
Honestly I'm still waiting for an adult conversation on the Rest of the US, it already exists, it will continue to exist, why not legalizing and give the police one fewer thing to worry about?
well that works in theory, but why give yet another reason to import 3rd world 13 year olds...
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:46:54pm |
re: #47 jamesfirecat
Honestly I'm still waiting for an adult conversation on the Rest of the US, it already exists, it will continue to exist, why not legalizing and give the police one fewer thing to worry about?
It would also make it a lot safer for the sex workers. I don't like the idea of anyone selling their body for money, but if it's on the black market it is inherently dangerous. Those women at the Bunny Ranch are a lot safer and richer than women working the streets.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:47:31pm |
re: #48 albusteve
liberals trying to control men's bodies again...and they might outlaw circumcision in San Fransisco...these people will stop at nothing
I for one think prostitution should be legal and institutionally regulated in the US
yes, there'll be more people hooking and more johns but there'll be fewer girls being murdered, raped, etc
I wonder why suddenly this, in Nevada, where it's just understood that Las Vegas is...Las vegas
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:47:41pm |
re: #48 albusteve
liberals trying to control men's bodies again...and they might outlaw circumcision in San Fransisco...these people will stop at nothing
I wouldn't worry to much about that.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:47:44pm |
re: #49 WindUpBird
They have those! makes a set that's crazy expensive but really awesome. But that's not what I have, I have a more junky version (as in, not as many fancy and $$$ Roland triggers) of this: [Link: compare.ebay.com...]
looks like loads of fun, and the roadies must love those kits
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:47:51pm |
re: #44 brookly red
[Link: extranosalley.com...]
well how could this be?
Cities have been turning into rings--an effect of common ownership of cars. (And drugs will get you dead faster than hooch wars.)
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celticdragon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:48:00pm |
re: #47 jamesfirecat
Honestly I'm still waiting for an adult conversation on the Rest of the US, it already exists, it will continue to exist, why not legalizing and give the police one fewer thing to worry about?
I agree. Tax it and protect the women.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:48:14pm |
re: #44 brookly red
[Link: extranosalley.com...]
well how could this be?
Because the Interstate Highway system didn't exist? Or Suburbia? Or the huge increase in handgun ownership since then?
Discuss.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:48:15pm |
re: #47 jamesfirecat
Honestly I'm still waiting for an adult conversation on the Rest of the US, it already exists, it will continue to exist, why not legalizing and give the police one fewer thing to worry about?
If you think they hate abortion, man wait until you ask one of these so-cons about legalizing and regulating prostitution, they'll shit out their entire circulatory system in fury
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:49:28pm |
re: #48 albusteve
liberals trying to control men's bodies again...and they might outlaw circumcision in San Fransisco...these people will stop at nothing
For real? WTF?
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:49:59pm |
re: #57 austin_blue
Because the Interstate Highway system didn't exist? Or Suburbia? Or the huge increase in handgun ownership since then?
Discuss.
what is to discuss? people voted with their feet. They up and freakin left, period. what is to discuss?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:50:30pm |
re: #52 WindUpBird
I for one think prostitution should be legal and institutionally regulated in the US
yes, there'll be more people hooking and more johns but there'll be fewer girls being murdered, raped, etc
I wonder why suddenly this, in Nevada, where it's just understood that Las Vegas is...Las vegas
I have no idea...I suspect the entire idea/timing has something to do with Harry's own undocumented life...something is afoot, maybe he's paying off a debt or whatever
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:50:31pm |
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:50:39pm |
re: #55 Decatur Deb
Cities have been turning into rings--an effect of common ownership of cars. (And drugs will get you dead faster than hooch wars.)
Technically speaking, the illegality of drugs vs. the illegality of alcohol will get you dead faster.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:50:46pm |
re: #54 albusteve
looks like loads of fun, and the roadies must love those kits
Mine can be picked up with one hand, almost, but they're cool and the heads are mesh and feel like a real kit, hence enjoyable playing and I won't get evicted. As opposed to the cruddy rubber pad triggers which just have no feel to them at all. I'm all about playing with delay on the kit, whee, cosmic toms echoing off into infinity :D
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:51:24pm |
re: #61 albusteve
I have no idea...I suspect the entire idea/timing has something to do with Harry's own undocumented life...something is afoot, maybe he's paying off a debt or whatever
I could see it
I'm not a fan of Harry Reid :P
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:51:46pm |
re: #58 WindUpBird
If you think they hate abortion, man wait until you ask one of these so-cons about legalizing and regulating prostitution, they'll shit out their entire circulatory system in fury
It's already legal in Nevada and I haven't seen 'these so-cons' bitching about it. Harry Reid, however, has a problem with it.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:52:28pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:52:29pm |
re: #50 brookly red
well that works in theory, but why give yet another reason to import 3rd world 13 year olds...
Hey Prostitution should be legal, but Prostitution (in my book) is the exchange of money for a service between two consenting adults... those who would try to have sex with children below the age of consent should still be brought ot justice...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:53:14pm |
re: #58 WindUpBird
If you think they hate abortion, man wait until you ask one of these so-cons about legalizing and regulating prostitution, they'll shit out their entire circulatory system in fury
Not all of them. I'm looking at you, Vitter.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:53:16pm |
re: #63 mracb
Technically speaking, the illegality of drugs vs. the illegality of alcohol will get you dead faster.
OD, or wrap your Toyta around a lamp post? dead is dead & quick is quick.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:53:27pm |
re: #59 NJDhockeyfan
Heh. Legal safe abortion, any adult consensual sexual lifestyle, but no circumcision. That government will stay out of your bedroom, but will regulate the status of your penis. Go figure.
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:53:35pm |
re: #66 NJDhockeyfan
It's already legal in Nevada and I haven't seen 'these so-cons' bitching about it. Harry Reid, however, has a problem with it.
Damn Mormons, always trying to suck the fun out of life...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:53:48pm |
re: #66 NJDhockeyfan
It's already legal in Nevada and I haven't seen 'these so-cons' bitching about it. Harry Reid, however, has a problem with it.
well, Harry Reid is a poopiehead. And I'm not talking about NEVADA. Anyone who lives in Nevada knows what Nevada is all about.
I'm talking about Mississippi, South Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Utah, Colorado Springs... Probably a little less likely to go WHOO LEGALIZE IT
I mean, you're welcome to call Focus on the Family and ask them their position on legalized prostitution, I could save you the trouble by scrying their answer for you ;-)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:54:05pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:54:40pm |
re: #60 brookly red
what is to discuss? people voted with their feet. They up and freakin left, period. what is to discuss?
Decreased land values, easy access. Not taxes.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:55:03pm |
re: #71 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. Legal safe abortion, any adult consensual sexual lifestyle, but no circumcision. That government will stay out of your bedroom, but will regulate the status of your penis. Go figure.
well, the status of your ability to cut pieces off your kid's penis, to be precise :D
I'm pretty sure adult johnsons will remain free of government intervention as to the status of their foreskins
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:55:04pm |
I think DF is gonna have a big sad over Rahm wining.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:55:16pm |
re: #66 NJDhockeyfan
It's already legal in Nevada and I haven't seen 'these so-cons' bitching about it. Harry Reid, however, has a problem with it.
he wants a cut, if not, then he'll cut your throat....
maybe not, I'm pretty jaded regarding political motives
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:55:28pm |
re: #68 jamesfirecat
Hey Prostitution should be legal, but Prostitution (in my book) is the exchange of money for a service between two consenting adults... those who would try to have sex with children below the age of consent should still be brought ot justice...
yeah, well that is not happening now so why would legalization make it happen? and please don't say regulation cause that is just bullshit.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:55:38pm |
re: #58 WindUpBird
If you think they hate abortion, man wait until you ask one of these so-cons about legalizing and regulating prostitution, they'll shit out their entire circulatory system in fury
What was Mary Magdalene's profession again? I'm never quite sure....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:21pm |
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:25pm |
re: #78 albusteve
he wants a cut, if not, then he'll cut your throat...
maybe not, I'm pretty jaded regarding political motives
It's difficult not to be jaded.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:28pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:29pm |
re: #76 WindUpBird
I guess Jewish families better move out.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:34pm |
re: #66 NJDhockeyfan
What you posted in the previous thread is your last comment at LGF.
I've had it with this right wing garbage. Totally had it.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:51pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:56:57pm |
re: #78 albusteve
he wants a cut, if not, then he'll cut your throat...
maybe not, I'm pretty jaded regarding political motives
In his bio, he said his hometown had several whorehouses, but had never had a church.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:57:40pm |
re: #84 Rightwingconspirator
I guess Jewish families better move out.
Or just, you know, get in their cars and drive somewhere else to get it done? :D
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:57:50pm |
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:59:44pm |
re: #71 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. Legal safe abortion, any adult consensual sexual lifestyle, but no circumcision. That government will stay out of your bedroom, but will regulate the status of your penis. Go figure.
Government prevented circumcision will only lead to backroom circumcisions using unsterilized broken beer bottles later in life.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:59:52pm |
re: #88 WindUpBird
I think I have heard that excuse in other uh, venues. I'm not impressed. Circumcision is not abuse.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:00:10pm |
re: #90 Mr Pancakes
Government prevented circumcision will only lead to backroom circumcisions using unsterilized broken beer bottles later in life.
LOL
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:00:22pm |
re: #77 CuriousLurker
I think DF is gonna have a big sad over Rahm wining.
Probably not. He has commented in the past that he far preferred him over the specter of Mosley-Braun. He's easily the closest thing to DF's beliefs that was running so he'll make the best of it. Despite his knee-jerk right wing moments, he has enough of a real pragmatic streak for him to look at this as being the best of all probably outcomes.
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:00:22pm |
re: #79 brookly red
yeah, well that is not happening now so why would legalization make it happen? and please don't say regulation cause that is just bullshit.
No, it would remain illegal. At least with legalized prostitution, as Nevada does it they are inspected, watched and monitored. I don't think you will find child prostitution in the legal brothels. Child prostitution will be still around regardless of whether adult prostitution is legal or illegal.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:00:34pm |
re: #80 jamesfirecat
What was Mary Magdalene's profession again? I'm never quite sure...
Actually, not prostitution. Jesus cleansed the feet of prostitutes, but MM wasn't one of them. Her dad was one of the richest men in Israel. She (or he) paid for the tomb.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:00:37pm |
re: #86 albusteve
So San Francisco may ban circumcision, eh?
[Link: www.redstate.com...]
there is a lot more about it
OH signatures, yeesh, so it's just a ballot initiative
We have a guy in oregon who goes mental with his ballot initiatives, all of which are broken, poorly written, and get overturned constantly, he would sorta be the equivalent of a proto-tea partier, but only for byzantine Oregon laws involving land taxation and zoning
But they get on the ballot!
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:00:53pm |
re: #79 brookly red
yeah, well that is not happening now so why would legalization make it happen? and please don't say regulation cause that is just bullshit.
No we shouldn't legalize it.
I'm a liberal band a big government liberal in some cases, but I believe that there "are no co-sensual crimes" and thus adult women (or men) being hookers should be legalized because it is trying to legislate morality that harms no one in and of itself.
This is the same reason I favor legalizing marijuana...
However child sex can not be cosensual by default and thus it should remain a crime.
Honestly I have a harder philosophical time figuring out why/how I can argue against keeping the harder drugs illegal than why children being forced / "of their own choice" selling their bodies in such a way...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:01:03pm |
re: #6 PhillyPretzel
The Chicago machine strikes again.
Yeah, but this time the Machine was better than the alternative. Rahm's not someone I like, but I urged my dad to vote for him (which he did) in the belief that he is in fact the best candidate for the job.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:01:23pm |
re: #87 Decatur Deb
In his bio, he said his hometown had several whorehouses, but had never had a church.
I just speculate for discussion...Vegas is a filthy rich town aside from their budget problems, and nearly anything is possible
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:02:04pm |
re: #91 Rightwingconspirator
I think I have heard that excuse in other uh, venues. I'm not impressed. Circumcision is not abuse.
I don't think it is either!
But anyway, this is a ballot initiative, you get enough zany people in zany Sf cranked up... I doubt it'll stand if it passes, but you get a lot of people who feel strongly about it
I could not give a shit, myself, people do all sorta of weird little elective things like that with their kids
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:02:29pm |
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but this time the Machine was better than the alternative. Rahm's not someone I like, but I urged my dad to vote for him (which he did) in the belief that he is in fact the best candidate for the job.
Damn. Good for you.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:02:33pm |
re: #90 Mr Pancakes
Government prevented circumcision will only lead to backroom circumcisions using unsterilized broken beer bottles later in life.
that's the worst thing you've ever said
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:03:38pm |
re: #85 Charles
What you posted in the previous thread is your last comment at LGF.
I've had it with this right wing garbage. Totally had it.
Friendly fire? All I see is comments about not getting PBS from Direct TV.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:03:45pm |
re: #95 austin_blue
Actually, not prostitution. Jesus cleansed the feet of prostitutes, but MM wasn't one of them. Her dad was one of the richest men in Israel. She (or he) paid for the tomb.
So she was the Paris Hilton of her day?
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:03:49pm |
re: #102 WindUpBird
that's the worst thing you've ever said
I'm just happy that problem's already been solved for me...
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:04:10pm |
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:04:33pm |
re: #93 wlewisiii
Probably not. He has commented in the past that he far preferred him over the specter of Mosley-Braun. He's easily the closest thing to DF's beliefs that was running so he'll make the best of it. Despite his knee-jerk right wing moments, he has enough of a real pragmatic streak for him to look at this as being the best of all probably outcomes.
I'll be darned, you were right! ;o)
Just when you think you know someone...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:04:34pm |
re: #77 CuriousLurker
I think DF is gonna have a big sad over Rahm wining.
You'd be wrong about that. I long ago accepted that my political beliefs are not the norm in Cook County, especially within Chicago. Accepting that, I supported Rahm Emmanuel as the most qualified electable candidate.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:05:07pm |
re: #96 WindUpBird
OH signatures, yeesh, so it's just a ballot initiative
We have a guy in oregon who goes mental with his ballot initiatives, all of which are broken, poorly written, and get overturned constantly, he would sorta be the equivalent of a proto-tea partier, but only for byzantine Oregon laws involving land taxation and zoning
But they get on the ballot!
it's just another good example of how pols get distracted from the common good to pimp their own gig...it has nothing to do with party, power is intoxicating....my laundry girls consider me drunk with it, but damn....I need those creases to be near perfect
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:05:17pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Friendly fire? All I see is comments about not getting PBS from Direct TV.
He posted something mocking the democrats for leaving WI calling them "the flee party".
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:06:30pm |
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but this time the Machine was better than the alternative. Rahm's not someone I like, but I urged my dad to vote for him (which he did) in the belief that he is in fact the best candidate for the job.
I thought I remembered that conversation correctly. He was by far the best of those running. It's easy to argue that there could be a better mayor but you can only choose the best of those willing to stand.
And as someone upthread said, he'll be considering the White House gig to have been an extended vacation in about, oh, I'll guess 3 months after swearing in... ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:06:45pm |
re: #99 albusteve
I just speculate for discussion...Vegas is a filthy rich town aside from their budget problems, and nearly anything is possible
I've never seem more Lamborghinis in one place
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:07:00pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Yes, get that now (see my #107).
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lostlakehiker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:08:41pm |
re: #36 BigPapa
Prager and Medved were retorting about the Koch brother's influence today, diminishing it's importance and ridiculing the fact that it was brought up. Once pathetic point they both made was that the Koch $ was much less than union money.
A talking point making the rounds is 'it's not private unions, only public, and they are corrupt because of their influence.' I really don't see much of a difference between public and private: the Koch brothers are a private business entity.
I expect much better logic from them, but I guess I shouldn't.
There's more than one kind of corrupt influence. I've no love for the concept of public sector labor unions that go on strike. It's a setup tailor made for corruption. But the Koch brothers? The best that could be said for them would be that perhaps they've merely pushed to the bleeding edge of the line of what's legal, albeit gone well over the edge of what's proper.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:09:30pm |
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:11:02pm |
re: #97 jamesfirecat
No we shouldn't legalize it.
I'm a liberal band a big government liberal in some cases, but I believe that there "are no co-sensual crimes" and thus adult women (or men) being hookers should be legalized because it is trying to legislate morality that harms no one in and of itself.
This is the same reason I favor legalizing marijuana...
However child sex can not be cosensual by default and thus it should remain a crime.
Honestly I have a harder philosophical time figuring out why/how I can argue against keeping the harder drugs illegal than why children being forced / "of their own choice" selling their bodies in such a way...
be afraid all you sinners! the end is near, I am updinging firecat, repent while there is still time!
seriously, there is (often) a connection between drug use & prostitution and that is the way it is. and all to often the people behind one are the people behind the other. i don't have a magic cure but i do believe legalization is not the answer.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:11:03pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Friendly fire? All I see is comments about not getting PBS from Direct TV.
It was an indirect link to Jim Hoft, now deleted.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:11:11pm |
re: #114 lostlakehiker
There's more than one kind of corrupt influence. I've no love for the concept of public sector labor unions that go on strike. It's a setup tailor made for corruption. But the Koch brothers? The best that could be said for them would be that perhaps they've merely pushed to the bleeding edge of the line of what's legal, albeit gone well over the edge of what's proper.
To me there's not much point to a union that can't
1) Collectively Bargain
and
2) Go on strike.
With the exception in regards to #2 concerning the Police Officers union since I hear they have a special set up so that they get a better deal than most unions in exchange for agreeing not to strike since if they did cities would probably start to tear themselves apart....
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:12:38pm |
re: #114 lostlakehiker
There's more than one kind of corrupt influence. I've no love for the concept of public sector labor unions that go on strike. It's a setup tailor made for corruption. But the Koch brothers? The best that could be said for them would be that perhaps they've merely pushed to the bleeding edge of the line of what's legal, albeit gone well over the edge of what's proper.
Actually, they've one both:
1990: David founds Citizens for the Environment, which calls acid rain a "myth."1997-2008: Koch Industries donates nearly $48 million to climate change research (which coincidentally just happens to find that none of the Koch Industries holding contribute to climate change).
1998: Koch-funded Mercatus Center hires economist who argues that smog helps prevent skin cancer.
1999: Koch Inustries found guilty of negligence and malice in the deaths of two Texas teens in a pipeline explosion.
2000: Koch Industries fined $30 million for over 300 oil spills.
2001: Koch Industries pays $25 million settlement for stealing oil from federal and Indian lands.
2004: David sits on National Cancer Advisory Board while Koch Industries lobbies against labeling formaldehyde - a known carcinogen.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:12:41pm |
re: #116 brookly red
be afraid all you sinners! the end is near, I am updinging firecat, repent while there is still time!
seriously, there is (often) a connection between drug use & prostitution and that is the way it is. and all to often the people behind one are the people behind the other. i don't have a magic cure but i do believe legalization is not the answer.
Legalizing Marijuana is just f***ing common sense in my book, since it is a less dangerous substance than Tobacco or beer which are already legal.
If substance X has to be at least Y degrees dangerous to be illegal, there is no way that Marijuana can be Y and beer not... alcohol just does too many things to fuck a person up...
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:14:04pm |
re: #118 jamesfirecat
PATCO had a no strike clause. As I recall after Reagan broke them, the military had to pick up the pieces until replacements were trained up. Air traffic control is nothing to mess with operationally. I don't want a rookie guiding my plane in the fog.
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:14:12pm |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
Legalizing Marijuana is just f***ing common sense in my book, since it is a less dangerous substance than Tobacco or beer which are already legal.
If substance X has to be at least Y degrees dangerous to be illegal, there is no way that Marijuana can be Y and beer not... alcohol just does too many things to fuck a person up...
If only I had a monthly allotment of up-dings and could give more than one.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:14:31pm |
re: #120 Talking Point Detective
this
1998: Koch-funded Mercatus Center hires economist who argues that smog helps prevent skin cancer.
is straight out of a Troy McClure bit on the Simpsons
or Dr. Nick
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:14:39pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Friendly fire? All I see is comments about not getting PBS from Direct TV.
Ditto. NJDHF was supporting Gov. Walker, but he wasn't out of line, from what I saw.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:14:59pm |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
Legalizing Marijuana is just f***ing common sense in my book, since it is a less dangerous substance than Tobacco or beer which are already legal.
If substance X has to be at least Y degrees dangerous to be illegal, there is no way that Marijuana can be Y and beer not... alcohol just does too many things to fuck a person up...
pot is a huge pool of revenue to be tapped...nobody has quite figured it out yet
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:15:07pm |
re: #125 Dark_Falcon
Ditto. NJDHF was supporting Gov. Walker, but he wasn't out of line, from what I saw.
#117
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:15:51pm |
re: #85 Charles
What you posted in the previous thread is your last comment at LGF.
I've had it with this right wing garbage. Totally had it.
I'll be dipped in shit. That's a surprise. But I respect your decision.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:16:05pm |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
Legalizing Marijuana is just f***ing common sense in my book, since it is a less dangerous substance than Tobacco or beer which are already legal.
If substance X has to be at least Y degrees dangerous to be illegal, there is no way that Marijuana can be Y and beer not... alcohol just does too many things to fuck a person up...
you get me wrong, I have no issue with your weed (unless of course you are driving) I am just saying that drugs, real drugs & prostitution (real street level hooking) go hand in hand.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:16:11pm |
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webevintage Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:16:34pm |
I think there is just something so hot about Rahm.....
what? Sorry...good for him.
;-)
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:04pm |
re: #122 Rightwingconspirator
PATCO had a no strike clause. As I recall after Reagan broke them, the military had to pick up the pieces until replacements were trained up. Air traffic control is nothing to mess with operationally. I don't want a rookie guiding my plane in the fog.
well history has shown it not to be an issue...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:08pm |
re: #126 albusteve
pot is a huge pool of revenue to be tapped...nobody has quite figured it out yet
Someone has figured it out, gringo.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:08pm |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
So she was the Paris Hilton of her day?
Maybe. But i don't think a Paris Hilton could exist without modern media.
;-)
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:08pm |
re: #129 brookly red
you get me wrong, I have no issue with your weed (unless of course you are driving) I am just saying that drugs, real drugs & prostitution (real street level hooking) go hand in hand.
Legalizing Prostitution so long as people followed certain guidelines and making it so they no longer needed pimps for protection might help... its worth a try in my book, but a lot of things are worth a try in my book...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:12pm |
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
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jaunte Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:13pm |
re: #120 Talking Point Detective
2001: Koch Industries pays $25 million settlement for stealing oil from federal and Indian lands.
Some details:
Bill Koch says that the company took more oil than it paid for by cheating on measurements.
A gauger measures the volume and the quality of the oil that his company is buying. The buyer leaves his measurements behind on what’s called a "run ticket." It's an IOU to the well owner.
"What Koch was doing was taking all these measurements and then falsifying them on the run sheets," says Bill Koch. "If the dipstick measured five feet 10 inches and one half inch, they would write down five feet nine and one half inches."
That may not sound like much, but Bill Koch says that it added up. "Well, that was the beauty of the scheme. Because if they’re buying oil from 50,000 different people, and they’re stealing two barrels from each person. What does that add up to? One year, their data showed they stole a million and a half barrels of oil."
Bill Koch filed a lawsuit in federal court claiming that much of the oil collected by Koch Industries was stolen from federal lands. At the trial, 50 former Koch gaugers testified against the company, some in video depositions. They said Koch employees had a name for cheating on the measurements.
"We in the company referred to it as the "Koch Method" because it was a system for cheating the producer out of oil," said one of these gaugers, Mark Wilson.[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:17:39pm |
re: #136 Charles
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
+1
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Kruk Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:18:08pm |
re: #124 WindUpBird
this
is straight out of a Troy McClure bit on the Simpsons
or Dr. Nick
Heh. He's right in the same sense that malnutrition prevents obesity, and infertility reduces the risk of birth defects.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:18:23pm |
re: #117 Charles
It was an indirect link to Jim Hoft, now deleted.
honest question: who is Jim Hoft? I don't have a TV?
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lostlakehiker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:18:27pm |
re: #50 brookly red
well that works in theory, but why give yet another reason to import 3rd world 13 year olds...
It's not just third world. I've seen some pathetic girls on the streets of what had been the eastern sector of Berlin. It's an uncomfortable fact that some sizable fraction of the working girl community, even in the West, is underage and not by just months. Overlapping this, a sizable fraction are slaves. Outright slaves, owned and bought and sold. The police, in those places, bought too, from a certain perspective.
Since it's all illegal, and it happens anyhow, it's hard to figure what more can be done. As we think about whether to modify our own laws regarding prostitution, some caution is in order. The business has its more than unsavory side.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:18:52pm |
re: #136 Charles
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
Your blog, your rules, all the time!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:18:56pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:18:56pm |
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
Who like Rahm anyway? This is the same man who uses the f-word as a comma, and mails dead fish to people.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:19:15pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
Oh. Well that is out of order.
Would it be in bad taste if I went into a "And Justice For All..." joke at this point?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:19:23pm |
re: #122 Rightwingconspirator
PATCO had a no strike clause. As I recall after Reagan broke them, the military had to pick up the pieces until replacements were trained up. Air traffic control is nothing to mess with operationally. I don't want a rookie guiding my plane in the fog.
True, but they asked for it. It was an illegal strike and you have to land on those with both feet. As it happened, the firing of the air traffic controllers was the moment several Soviet officials later said convinced them that Reagan was to be taken seriously. It convinced them that he was resolute in a way Carter had not been,
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jaunte Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:19:37pm |
re: #120 Talking Point Detective
Oh, and this:
The company used the Koch method with virtually all its customers. In the 1980's alone, Koch records show those so-called adjustments brought the company 300 million gallons of oil it never paid for. And it was pure profit.Bill Koch says that profits from that oil were a minimum of $230 million.
So paying a $25 million fine wasn't too hard.
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:20:01pm |
re: #136 Charles
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
I would hope that was "All of Them".
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lostlakehiker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:20:28pm |
re: #120 Talking Point Detective
Actually, they've one both:
I'm wary of publicly accusing public figures of outright crimes. You could well be right; I'm not denying it.
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celticdragon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:20:41pm |
re: #136 Charles
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
Well done, sir.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:20:50pm |
re: #132 brookly red
well history has shown it not to be an issue...
History has show that the system was slowed way down for 10 years so that we, as a nation, could "get lucky". Rather like the fact that the Russian's simply went broke first, thus ending the cold war - of course our economy is still devastated by those costs so I sometimes wonder who really went bankrupt and when...
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:20:55pm |
re: #144 ProLifeLiberal
Who like Rahm anyway? This is the same man who uses the f-word as a comma, and mails dead fish to people.
What the fuck do you have against the Trout of the Month Club?
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:21:12pm |
How does someone read this blog and not know who Jim Hoft is?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:22:01pm |
re: #136 Charles
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
What do you mean "out"? Is that meant to mean that someone is trying to reveal private information about said Dems? Because if it is, and that info is just sexual stuff, then its entirely wrong. This is about budgets and unions, not about some BS Culture War issue.
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celticdragon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:22:05pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
True, but they asked for it. It was an illegal strike and you have to land on those with both feet. As it happened, the firing of the air traffic controllers was the moment several Soviet officials later said convinced them that Reagan was to be taken seriously. It convinced them that he was resolute in a way Carter had not been,
It would have been something else completely if the firing had led to a major accident with 300 people dead. Luck was a factor.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:22:41pm |
re: #145 jamesfirecat
Would it be in bad taste if I went into a "And Justice For All..." joke at this point?
Yes.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:22:45pm |
re: #147 jaunte
Oh, and this:
So paying a $25 million fine wasn't too hard.
Oh god... that reminds me of a line from Leverage....
Sophie: These are not small fines. Last year, my department handled a case where the company had to pay out 2.5 billion dollars.
Darren Hoffman: Oh yeah, everybody heard about that. But what the news didn’t tell you is that that company made $16 billion on the same drug. That fine was 14% of the profit. Fourteen. Percent. That’s like tipping your waiter: “Thank you very much for taking our drugs. Here’s a little something for your family.”
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:22:51pm |
re: #153 JasonA
How does someone read this blog and not know who Jim Hoft is?
Maybe they're not reading this blog.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:23:09pm |
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:23:55pm |
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
What do you mean "out"? Is that meant to mean that someone is trying to reveal private information about said Dems? Because if it is, and that info is just sexual stuff, then its entirely wrong. This is about budgets and unions, not about some BS Culture War issue.
It was about where they were currently staying so that the police could have an easier time capturing them....
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:23:56pm |
re: #135 jamesfirecat
Legalizing Prostitution so long as people followed certain guidelines and making it so they no longer needed pimps for protection might help... its worth a try in my book, but a lot of things are worth a try in my book...
well you have Nevada as precedent so I guess it can work, but I still think it is not the way to go. It is my opinion that prostitution is not a good thing, if you think otherwise we must disagree. Fair enough?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:24:12pm |
re: #155 celticdragon
It would have been something else completely if the firing had led to a major accident with 300 people dead. Luck was a factor.
True, but that's true for more than one major action Reagan took. He had more luck than usual for a president. But some of any great leaders story id luck.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:24:24pm |
re: #121 jamesfirecat
Legalizing Marijuana is just f***ing common sense in my book, since it is a less dangerous substance than Tobacco or beer which are already legal.
.
....not to mention how much it can help the deficit in tax revenue and people out of jail and police free to do better things.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:24:28pm |
re: #100 WindUpBird
I don't think it is either!
But anyway, this is a ballot initiative, you get enough zany people in zany Sf cranked up... I doubt it'll stand if it passes, but you get a lot of people who feel strongly about it
I could not give a shit, myself, people do all sorta of weird little elective things like that with their kids
It's got its health advantages. Transmission of STD's is measurably reduced. But think on it: outlawing the procedure outlaws, en passant, both Islam and Judaism. That can't be right.
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webevintage Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:25:16pm |
re: #144 ProLifeLiberal
Who like Rahm anyway? This is the same man who uses the f-word as a comma, and mails dead fish to people.
Like I said...sooooo hot.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:25:31pm |
re: #151 wlewisiii
History has show that the system was slowed way down for 10 years so that we, as a nation, could "get lucky". Rather like the fact that the Russian's simply went broke first, thus ending the cold war - of course our economy is still devastated by those costs so I sometimes wonder who really went bankrupt and when...
and that relates to PATCO , how?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:26:04pm |
re: #165 lostlakehiker
It's got its health advantages. Transmission of STD's is measurably reduced. But think on it: outlawing the procedure outlaws, en passant, both Islam and Judaism. That can't be right.
that's why it doesn't really concern me, it sounds like it'll be immediately challenged
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:26:27pm |
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Talking Point Detective Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:26:33pm |
re: #149 lostlakehiker
I'm wary of publicly accusing public figures of outright crimes. You could well be right; I'm not denying it.
Their record stands for itself. Make of it what you will.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:27:01pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:27:27pm |
Apropos of nothing, Hillary Clinton and Mutassim Ghadaffi. (From some time back.)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:27:32pm |
re: #160 jamesfirecat
It was about where they were currently staying so that the police could have an easier time capturing them...
That I really don't have problem with, truth to tell. I would honestly prefer the Wisconsin state police to nab of those Dems and drag them back to Madison so that the bill can be passed. If Charles does not want such information posted here, I will of course respect his wishes. And I would never post anything by that dishonest sleezebag Jim Hoft.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:27:36pm |
re: #161 brookly red
well you have Nevada as precedent so I guess it can work, but I still think it is not the way to go. It is my opinion that prostitution is not a good thing, if you think otherwise we must disagree. Fair enough?
Completely fair, I don't see it as a "good thing" either I just see it as not enough of a bad thing to make it worth making illegal...
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:27:44pm |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
True, but they asked for it. It was an illegal strike and you have to land on those with both feet. As it happened, the firing of the air traffic controllers was the moment several Soviet officials later said convinced them that Reagan was to be taken seriously. It convinced them that he was resolute in a way Carter had not been,
Actually, it was hellish. We lost thirty percent of our controllers at my AFB for six months. A brutal load on the remaining tower and screen jocks. The pilots bought them a lot of beer for jobs well done. You really really don't want to fly an ILS approach in Northern Michigan in December without a PAR backup.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:27:51pm |
re: #161 brookly red
well you have Nevada as precedent so I guess it can work, but I still think it is not the way to go. It is my opinion that prostitution is not a good thing, if you think otherwise we must disagree. Fair enough?
Smoking isn't a good thing, drinking isn't a good thing, sports cars aren't a good thing, 4000 calorie dinners aren't a good thing
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:28:14pm |
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:28:38pm |
re: #166 webevintage
I know he is a very effective politician, but he doesn't seem to be a nice guy. I would vote for him, but not actually want to meet him, if that makes any sense. There are some politicians out there who are decent people.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:28:41pm |
re: #165 lostlakehiker
It's got its health advantages. Transmission of STD's is measurably reduced. But think on it: outlawing the procedure outlaws, en passant, both Islam and Judaism. That can't be right.
Congrats, that the first time I've ever heard someone use the phrase "en passant" outside of Chess....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:29:46pm |
re: #178 Decatur Deb
I'd never heard of him until fairly recently, here.
it's sorta like that World net daily guy, I knew about the effects and the memes of guys like that before I had a name or an origin for their crap
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Kruk Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:30:03pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Apropos of nothing, Hillary Clinton and Mutassim Ghadaffi. (From some time back.)
Oh my God. He looks exactly like Central Casting's idea of a Middle Eastern baddie. Seriously, brown suit and five o'clock shadow? Heh.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:30:09pm |
re: #177 WindUpBird
Smoking isn't a good thing, drinking isn't a good thing, sports cars aren't a good thing, 4000 calorie dinners aren't a good thing
I'm dead then...but thank you America for letting me have my way
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:30:34pm |
re: #167 brookly red
and that relates to PATCO , how?
The ATC system slowed down. Way down. For a very long time after the PATCO firings because the ATCs that were left didn't want a 747 + 747 over, for example, O'Hare ala December 16, 1960.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:30:49pm |
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recusancy Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:31:38pm |
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
What do you mean "out"? Is that meant to mean that someone is trying to reveal private information about said Dems? Because if it is, and that info is just sexual stuff, then its entirely wrong. This is about budgets and unions, not about some BS Culture War issue.
Out as in say where they're located.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:02pm |
re: #176 austin_blue
Actually, it was hellish. We lost thirty percent of our controllers at my AFB for six months. A brutal load on the remaining tower and screen jocks. The pilots bought them a lot of beer for jobs well done. You really really don't want to fly an ILS approach in Northern Michigan in December without a PAR backup.
I'll take your word for it. It wasn't a good thing to have happen. Reagan's action was necessary, IMO, but a mass firing is always a bad outcome.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:14pm |
re: #179 ProLifeLiberal
I know he is a very effective politician, but he doesn't seem to be a nice guy. I would vote for him, but not actually want to meet him, if that makes any sense. There are some politicians out there who are decent people.
I don't want my Reps at any levels to be "Nice Guys". I want them to be effective individuals in instituting sane, transparent public policy that serves the common good.
But that's just me.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:16pm |
re: #174 Dark_Falcon
See I don't understand why you think this bill is a good thing. This is an out-and-out attempt to butcher unions. The union already agreed to cuts, so at this point, the only thing this clown wants is to union bust. And no good can come of that.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:22pm |
re: #178 Decatur Deb
I'd never heard of him until fairly recently, here.
yes, I often hear names hear I never heard before... I guess that is the way it is.
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Kruk Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:24pm |
re: #177 WindUpBird
Smoking isn't a good thing, drinking isn't a good thing, sports cars aren't a good thing, 4000 calorie dinners aren't a good thing
With the exception of smoking, I'd say all of those are only a bad thing without if used with moderation.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:37pm |
re: #176 austin_blue
Actually, it was hellish. We lost thirty percent of our controllers at my AFB for six months. A brutal load on the remaining tower and screen jocks. The pilots bought them a lot of beer for jobs well done. You really really don't want to fly an ILS approach in Northern Michigan in December without a PAR backup.
KI Sawyer AFB? Never went there but was well aware of it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:32:39pm |
re: #44 brookly red
[Link: extranosalley.com...]
well how could this be?
Decline of shipping on the Great Lakes, and the meat-packing industry, I should imagine.
Also, it's probably Rahm's fault.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:33:12pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Apropos of nothing, Hillary Clinton and Mutassim Ghadaffi. (From some time back.)
LOL, I saw that yesterday. Eww. It's positively hideous.
I wondered if it was silk and how expensive it probably was. (And it's forbidden for Muslim men to wear silk or gold, though you'd never guess it by looking at some of these guys.)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:33:42pm |
re: #48 albusteve
liberals trying to control men's bodies again...and they might outlaw circumcision in San Fransisco...these people will stop at nothing
I find it interesting that you see outlawing prostitution primarily as an issue of controlling MEN'S bodies.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:34:10pm |
re: #183 albusteve
I'm dead then...but thank you America for letting me have my way
I'm pretty much doomed on all counts as well :D
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:34:20pm |
re: #188 austin_blue
I don't want my Reps at any levels to be "Nice Guys". I want them to be effective individuals in instituting sane, transparent public policy that serves the common good.
But that's just me.
same here....but good hair is now more valuable than good principle tho
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:34:41pm |
re: #191 Kruk
With the exception of smoking, I'd say all of those are only a bad thing without if used with moderation.
depends what we're smoking, doesn't it? :D
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:34:42pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Apropos of nothing, Hillary Clinton and Mutassim Ghadaffi. (From some time back.)
I bet the ladies flock to him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:34:52pm |
re: #51 moderatelyradicalliberal
It would also make it a lot safer for the sex workers. I don't like the idea of anyone selling their body for money, but if it's on the black market it is inherently dangerous. Those women at the Bunny Ranch are a lot safer and richer than women working the streets.
I once read an account by a freelance San Francisco escort who worked a couple of months at one of the Nevada brothels. It sounded sort of creepy--and I think she found it so--but decidedly better than streetwalking.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:35:10pm |
re: #190 brookly red
yes, I often hear names hear I never heard before... I guess that is the way it is.
Have to remember that it's our hobby to pay more attention to the political blog world than normal. I'm afraid always that we will hypnotize ourselves into a surprise at the ballot box.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:35:25pm |
re: #192 wlewisiii
KI Sawyer AFB? Never went there but was well aware of it.
KI Siberia was in Marquette. Kincheloe was in Sault Ste. Marie.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:35:30pm |
re: #182 Kruk
Oh my God. He looks exactly like Central Casting's idea of a Middle Eastern baddie. Seriously, brown suit and five o'clock shadow? Heh.
after all this time you are still pissing on Nixon, sheesh!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:35:30pm |
re: #197 albusteve
same here...but good hair is now more valuable than good principle tho
vote Wayne Static [Link: 2fast2die.com...]
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Achilles Tang Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:35:44pm |
re: #178 Decatur Deb
I'd never heard of him until fairly recently, here.
One reason I'm here is the education. I wouldn't know most of these bloggers at all otherwise, but since they appear to have an influence in the netherworld, I feel I'm getting smarter just knowing what the names are. Take this Palin woman for example.......
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:35:48pm |
Good news in Kansas City, our dufus Mayor Funkhauser was primaried and won't be running for mayor again.[Link: midwestdemocracyproject.org...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:36:05pm |
re: #68 jamesfirecat
Hey Prostitution should be legal, but Prostitution (in my book) is the exchange of money for a service between two consenting adults... those who would try to have sex with children below the age of consent should still be brought ot justice...
"Justice", in this case, being things I cannot discuss, per the LGF prohibition on calls for violence.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:36:06pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
I once read an account by a freelance San Francisco escort who worked a couple of months at one of the Nevada brothels. It sounded sort of creepy--and I think she found it so--but decidedly better than streetwalking.
Creepy beats killed by Gary Ridgway :P
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Kronocide Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:36:32pm |
re: #136 Charles
I am absolutely not going to let LGF be used to "out" the Wisconsin Democrats who are resisting this disgusting union-busting effort.
The Koch Brothers discussion on Medved and Prager today was just too.... preemptive. It was not an issue I heard of till they brought it up, reporting on the complaints of the left.
I'm getting a cynical feeling on this... like do the Kochs give $ directly to these talk show hosts?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:36:33pm |
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recusancy Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:08pm |
re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist
"Justice", in this case, being things I cannot discuss, per the LGF prohibition on calls for violence.
Castration.
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Lidane Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:19pm |
re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist
I find it interesting that you see outlawing prostitution primarily as an issue of controlling MEN'S bodies.
Seriously. WTF? Given the fact that most sex workers are women, wouldn't outlawing prostitution be about controlling women and what they can do with their bodies?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:28pm |
re: #210 BigPapa
The Koch Brothers discussion on Medved and Prager today was just too... preemptive. It was not an issue I heard of till they brought it up, reporting on the complaints of the left.
I'm getting a cynical feeling on this... like do the Kochs give $ directly to these talk show hosts?
Well, I don't think they need to. The Koch brothers are probably powerful enough to just decide they'll show up to any conservative talker's studio
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:36pm |
re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist
Decline of shipping on the Great Lakes, and the meat-packing industry, I should imagine.
Also, it's probably Rahm's fault.
no, it's the economy, same as millionaires flocking away from NYC...but if Rahm intends to continue to tax sunlight to pay for sweetheart city and union jobs the he will be part of the 'fault'
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:37pm |
re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist
"Justice", in this case, being things I cannot discuss, per the LGF prohibition on calls for violence.
I was waiting for a female backup... thank you.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:41pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:37:46pm |
re: #204 WindUpBird
vote Wayne Static [Link: 2fast2die.com...]
He looks like he has long pubes growing out of his chin.
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:38:24pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
Apropos of nothing, Hillary Clinton and Mutassim Ghadaffi. (From some time back.)
That photo will kill sales of brown suits for years.
I guess the guy isn't all that bad.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:38:28pm |
re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist
I find it interesting that you see outlawing prostitution primarily as an issue of controlling MEN'S bodies.
me too....how does that work?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:38:34pm |
re: #218 JasonA
He looks like he has long pubes growing out of his chin.
He's a very accomplished black belt in the art of evil disco
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:38:51pm |
re: #213 Lidane
Seriously. WTF? Given the fact that most sex workers are women, wouldn't outlawing prostitution be about controlling women and what they can do with their bodies?
I think the discussion went off center--the original comment referred to circumcision, incl male..
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:39:11pm |
G'Night all.
Play nicely.
Or, be really mean!
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freetoken Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:39:14pm |
On a different topic...
I see that the WaPo published an essay by Klinghoffer today - at least they put it in their religion column ("On Faith".)
And, in a positive development, some of the comments are directly exposing Klinghoffer for what he is. However, the readers of "On Faith" are more likely to be better educated as well as more motivated to dig into these issues.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:39:46pm |
re: #202 austin_blue
KI Siberia was in Marquette. Kincheloe was in Sault Ste. Marie.
I'm a MI person and I'd never even go up there in summer...the end of the world in north America at least
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:39:53pm |
re: #71 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. Legal safe abortion, any adult consensual sexual lifestyle, but no circumcision. That government will stay out of your bedroom, but will regulate the status of your penis. Go figure.
Despite my screaming rage about this dumbass measure, I should clarify that it takes about 7,000 signatures to put a measure on a San Francisco ballot, and I am highly skeptical that this thing has any chance of passing.
Please note, no Democratic presidential hopefuls or rising stars are signing on to this, funding for circumcision is not being challenged and defined out of existence on the floor of Congress, and the measure is not being replicated by a well-funded machine in blue strongholds across the country.
This isn't liberals, this is specific dumbasses.
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ProGunLiberal Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:40:05pm |
re: #224 freetoken
I've not heard of this guy. Who is he?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:40:30pm |
re: #77 CuriousLurker
I think DF is gonna have a big sad over Rahm wining.
I think he was supporting him over Moseley Braun, so this will at least be the lesser of two evils for him.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:40:39pm |
re: #213 Lidane
Seriously. WTF? Given the fact that most sex workers are women, wouldn't outlawing prostitution be about controlling women and what they can do with their bodies?
Well, except for Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute:
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freetoken Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:40:43pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:40:43pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:40:45pm |
re: #189 ProLifeLiberal
See I don't understand why you think this bill is a good thing. This is an out-and-out attempt to butcher unions. The union already agreed to cuts, so at this point, the only thing this clown wants is to union bust. And no good can come of that.
I see public sector unions as part of the problem and I want their power greatly curtailed. Leave it at that, since i don't want another blog skirmish right now.
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sizzleRI Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:41:26pm |
re: #195 SanFranciscoZionist
I find it interesting that you see outlawing prostitution primarily as an issue of controlling MEN'S bodies.
Yay!!! SFZ is here. I kept trying to articulate a response to that but couldn't quite keep my irritation out.
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:42:03pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
I see public sector unions as part of the problem and I want their power greatly curtailed. Leave it at that, since i don't want another blog skirmish right now.
Out of interest, did you ever answer as to why public unions are bad but private unions are just fine?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:42:06pm |
re: #202 austin_blue
KI Siberia was in Marquette. Kincheloe was in Sault Ste. Marie.
Ah, brain fart. Forgot all about Kincheloe for what ever reason. Probably the grunt in this old army soldier. But, heh, saw the Siberia reference. Reminds me of a little national guard base in northern Minnesota. Brrr,
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webevintage Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:42:15pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
Despite my screaming rage about this dumbass measure, I should clarify that it takes about 7,000 signatures to put a measure on a San Francisco ballot, and I am highly skeptical that this thing has any chance of passing.
Please note, no Democratic presidential hopefuls or rising stars are signing on to this, funding for circumcision is not being challenged and defined out of existence on the floor of Congress, and the measure is not being replicated by a well-funded machine in blue strongholds across the country.
This isn't liberals, this is specific dumbasses.
I think Andrew Sullivan went though a whole week or so last year missing his foreskin and discussing whether or not circumcision is mutilation of babies.
I have no opinion one way or the other....
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:42:42pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
Despite my screaming rage about this dumbass measure, I should clarify that it takes about 7,000 signatures to put a measure on a San Francisco ballot, and I am highly skeptical that this thing has any chance of passing.
Please note, no Democratic presidential hopefuls or rising stars are signing on to this, funding for circumcision is not being challenged and defined out of existence on the floor of Congress, and the measure is not being replicated by a well-funded machine in blue strongholds across the country.
This isn't liberals, this is specific dumbasses.
Something tells me there are plenty of liberals with circumscised children, haha
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Achilles Tang Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:44:49pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
I see public sector unions as part of the problem and I want their power greatly curtailed. Leave it at that, since i don't want another blog skirmish right now.
The history of unions is not pretty in many aspects, but I never knew that they could just be banned at the whim of politicians. I thought we did things differently in the USA.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:44:57pm |
re: #237 WindUpBird
Something tells me there are plenty of liberals with circumscised children, haha
certainly...a circumcised bone is way more handsome and vanity counts
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darthstar Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:45:02pm |
I have to be in Sonoma for a meeting the 7th through the 10th...I may just have to go a day early.
Cochon 555 - 5 chefs, 5 pigs, 5 wines. Fuck me silly, but that does sound like a delicious experience.
[Link: www.cochon555.com...]
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Kruk Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:45:45pm |
re: #237 WindUpBird
Something tells me there are plenty of liberals with circumscised children, haha
I'm guessing a good proportion of those who decry circumcision as parents imposing their views on a child would passionately defend the right of parents not to vaccinate their children.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:46:20pm |
re: #232 Dark_Falcon
I see public sector unions as part of the problem and I want their power greatly curtailed. Leave it at that, since i don't want another blog skirmish right now.
the thought of school administrators and politicians being able to have their way with public school teachers, because their union is busted?
That's really not a thing I want to see in my lifetime, it'll pretty much be the absolute death of the possibility of anyone getting a decent public education in America, it'll be pay to play, we'll just create ourselves an underclass of completely uneducated people with zero prospects
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:46:31pm |
re: #237 WindUpBird
Something tells me there are plenty of liberals with circumscised children, haha
Yes indeed! It's just a quick little clip with this apparatus that slides down, pushes the extra stuff down, and clips it off. In layman's terms.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:47:11pm |
re: #141 lostlakehiker
It's not just third world. I've seen some pathetic girls on the streets of what had been the eastern sector of Berlin. It's an uncomfortable fact that some sizable fraction of the working girl community, even in the West, is underage and not by just months. Overlapping this, a sizable fraction are slaves. Outright slaves, owned and bought and sold. The police, in those places, bought too, from a certain perspective.
Since it's all illegal, and it happens anyhow, it's hard to figure what more can be done. As we think about whether to modify our own laws regarding prostitution, some caution is in order. The business has its more than unsavory side.
All excellent points. I guess my own question is always, are we protecting sex workers from predators by making it illegal, or not?
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:47:21pm |
re: #239 Naso Tang
The history of suppression of unions is not pretty, either.
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Kruk Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:47:25pm |
re: #238 freetoken
SAVE THE FORESKIN!!
Q: How do you circumcise a whale?
A: With four skin divers
I'll get my coat, shall I?
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Gus Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:47:43pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
Despite my screaming rage about this dumbass measure, I should clarify that it takes about 7,000 signatures to put a measure on a San Francisco ballot, and I am highly skeptical that this thing has any chance of passing.
Please note, no Democratic presidential hopefuls or rising stars are signing on to this, funding for circumcision is not being challenged and defined out of existence on the floor of Congress, and the measure is not being replicated by a well-funded machine in blue strongholds across the country.
This isn't liberals, this is specific dumbasses.
I'm no fan of circumcision but I'm neither a fan of criminalizing the procedure as a "misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and jail time for up to a year".
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darthstar Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:48:44pm |
Holy fuck! I just realized what this thread was about! Way to go Rahm Emanuel! Chicago scored with this vote today!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:00pm |
re: #242 Kruk
I'm guessing a good proportion of those who decry circumcision as parents imposing their views on a child would passionately defend the right of parents not to vaccinate their children.
Yeah, I am for fucking forcing parents to vaccinate their damn children, and I do mean by force
that's PUBLIC health right there. We have diseases coming back because of this that we had eradicated. You want to see a some pandemic, some vaccine resistant diseases? Let these loons continue to raise unvaccinated kids
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sizzleRI Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:01pm |
re: #236 webevintage
I think Andrew Sullivan went though a whole week or so last year missing his foreskin and discussing whether or not circumcision is mutilation of babies.
I have no opinion one way or the other...
I think I've mentioned here before that the other places I frequent on the internet are feminist blogs and parenting blogs. Oh wow, if I thought breastfeeding vs. bottlefeeding or breeders vs. non-breeders were crazy flame wars they had nothing on the circumcision threads. People are incredibly brutal about other people's parenting decisions. Politics is nothing.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:28pm |
re: #247 prairiefire
The history of suppression of unions is not pretty, either.
Yep and the people who rail on unions the most never talk about this. They always talk about unions thugs but never a word about the conditions that led to people forming unions in the first place. I'll be the first to say that unions aren't always right but cutting off the right to collectively bargain was a shameful decision by Governor Walker. And frankly i don't see what it has to do with fiscal policy.
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Gus Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:29pm |
re: #240 albusteve
certainly...a circumcised bone is way more handsome and vanity counts
Calloused dry skin. Decreased sensation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:30pm |
re: #182 Kruk
Oh my God. He looks exactly like Central Casting's idea of a Middle Eastern baddie. Seriously, brown suit and five o'clock shadow? Heh.
I was going to say he looks exactly like central casting's idea of an Italian playboy from the seventies, but it's probably similar.
You just know this guy thinks he's hot as a pistol.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:31pm |
re: #244 prairiefire
Yes indeed! It's just a quick little clip with this apparatus that slides down, pushes the extra stuff down, and clips it off. In layman's terms.
I'm aware, I got one right here *_*
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:49:46pm |
re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist
All excellent points. I guess my own question is always, are we protecting sex workers from predators by making it illegal, or not?
Making it illegal gives the exploiters even more tools of control.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:50:02pm |
re: #234 Renaissance_Man
Out of interest, did you ever answer as to why public unions are bad but private unions are just fine?
Yes, i did. To briefly recap, the answer is that say, an auto-workers union can organize and even strike for better pay and working conditions, but they cannot decide who owns the company they work for. By contrast, a public sector union can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating. Sometimes this ends up meaning that the unions back a candidate, if he wins he raises their salaries, which they then funnel back into his campaign in dues payments. Private sector unions have no such power.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:50:14pm |
re: #248 Kruk
Q: How do you circumcise a whale?
A: With four skin divers
I'll get my coat, shall I?
When I was a kid, my aunt got a new mink coat. She bragged to my father (a country doctor) "It's got 42 skins!" My dad, without missing a beat, said, "I've heard of foreskins, but never forty-two skins."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:50:48pm |
re: #194 CuriousLurker
LOL, I saw that yesterday. Eww. It's positively hideous.
I wondered if it was silk and how expensive it probably was. (And it's forbidden for Muslim men to wear silk or gold, though you'd never guess it by looking at some of these guys.)
With matching tie, no less. And yes, I'd reckon it probably cost a fortune.
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sizzleRI Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:51:32pm |
re: #245 CuriousLurker
Hi CL! I've really been appreciating your comments and insights on Libya and the Arab unrest!
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Interesting Times Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:51:42pm |
re: #244 prairiefire
Yes indeed! It's just a quick little clip with this apparatus that slides down, pushes the extra stuff down, and clips it off. In layman's terms.
Every time I come across a news article on female genital mutilation, the comment thread will be filled with people saying "the West" has no right to condemn it as long as male circumcision is legal here, and that the condemnation is therefore rooted in racism.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:51:47pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Yes, i did. To briefly recap, the answer is that say, an auto-workers union can organize and even strike for better pay and working conditions, but they cannot decide who owns the company they work for. By contrast, a public sector union can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating. Sometimes this ends up meaning that the unions back a candidate, if he wins he raises their salaries, which they then funnel back into his campaign in dues payments. Private sector unions have no such power.
so wait a minute, don't private sector employees sometimes get paid in stock?
Certainly they can buy stock.
So that means they're shareholders, which means they ALSO have some small measure of a right to decide who is in "office."
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:52:00pm |
re: #209 WindUpBird
Creepy beats killed by Gary Ridgway :P
The part that cracked her up--and me--was that they assured her that she totally didn't have to do any girl/girl stuff if she wasn't OK with that.
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Digital Display Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:52:57pm |
re: #241 darthstar
I have to be in Sonoma for a meeting the 7th through the 10th...I may just have to go a day early.
Cochon 555 - 5 chefs, 5 pigs, 5 wines. Fuck me silly, but that does sound like a delicious experience.
[Link: www.cochon555.com...]
I love the Valley of the Moon! Have a glass of wine for me
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Achilles Tang Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:53:24pm |
re: #247 prairiefire
The history of suppression of unions is not pretty, either.
No, nor the organized crime, nor the corruption nor the greed, sometimes. I've never been a fan of unions, but I thought the right to collective bargaining was more or less a basic right.
Regardless, in this case I see the unions as the main counter organizations to the billionaires on the right now that the supreme court has opened the money floodgates even further.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:53:56pm |
as for legal prostitution, the sooner the better, and require the women to be CCW certified...try that for awhile
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:54:19pm |
re: #266 Naso Tang
No, nor the organized crime, nor the corruption nor the greed, sometimes. I've never been a fan of unions, but I thought the right to collective bargaining was more or less a basic right.
Regardless, in this case I see the unions as the main counter organizations to the billionaires on the right now that the supreme court has opened the money floodgates even further.
There's nothing basic about it--it was paid for in blood.
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webevintage Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:54:23pm |
re: #266 Naso Tang
Regardless, in this case I see the unions as the main counter organizations to the billionaires on the right now that the supreme court has opened the money floodgates even further.
And THAT is what this is all about.
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palomino Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:54:24pm |
re: #154 Dark_Falcon
What do you mean "out"? Is that meant to mean that someone is trying to reveal private information about said Dems? Because if it is, and that info is just sexual stuff, then its entirely wrong. This is about budgets and unions, not about some BS Culture War issue.
You don't get it. The unions and budget are culture war issues, as is virtually all of the underlying tea party rhetoric about big govt and returning to the mythical Garden of Constitutional Eden.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:54:52pm |
re: #269 webevintage
And THAT is what this is all about.
It's funny, I don't really trust billionaires in the Republican party!
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freetoken Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:54:55pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Perhaps that argument might have held water back in the heyday of American industry.
But starting a few decades ago, unions, say in this case autoworkers, started to buy significant number of shares of the company for which they worked. Thus, besides being workers they turned into (minority share) owners.
This was encouraged as a way forward for American industry and labor.
It does seem to have made labor unions more amenable to negotiating with the management, and made management for aware of the importance of collective ownership by their employees.
Now, other factors have also played into this - mostly the outsourcing of so much industry to other parts of the world.
Anyway, I for one don't see how being a voter is simultaneously a disqualifies unions from having collective bargaining.
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Interesting Times Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:54:56pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
By contrast, a
public sector unioncorporation can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating. Sometimes this ends up meaning that theunionscorporations back a candidate, if he wins heraises their salariesgives them tax loopholes and subsidies, which they then funnel back into his campaign indues paymentscontributions, ad campaigns and astroturf groups.Private sector unionsOrdinary people have no such power.
Fixed.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:55:02pm |
re: #225 albusteve
I'm a MI person and I'd never even go up there in summer...the end of the world in north America at least
I liked to ski and hunt. I was 25, not bad looking, single, and had money. I enjoyed drinking and screwing, which were the only indoor recreation options from Thanksgiving to the Feast of Fools. We always had a lot of overseas deployments, so I had actually had a pretty damn good time.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:55:11pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
Agreed. Individual foolishness should not be broad brushed across.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:55:13pm |
re: #251 WindUpBird
Yeah, I am for fucking forcing parents to vaccinate their damn children, and I do mean by force
that's PUBLIC health right there. We have diseases coming back because of this that we had eradicated. You want to see a some pandemic, some vaccine resistant diseases? Let these loons continue to raise unvaccinated kids
When our kids were young they had to show proof of vaccination before they were allowed into school.
Has that now been abandoned?
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:55:19pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Yes, i did. To briefly recap, the answer is that say, an auto-workers union can organize and even strike for better pay and working conditions, but they cannot decide who owns the company they work for. By contrast, a public sector union can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating. Sometimes this ends up meaning that the unions back a candidate, if he wins he raises their salaries, which they then funnel back into his campaign in dues payments. Private sector unions have no such power.
So you have a problem with public unions endorsing and funding candidates - their managers, in effect.
Do you have a similar problem with private employees owning stock in their companies?
Do you have a similar problem with corporations donating to politicians or funding lobbying efforts in return for tax breaks or other considerations?
Because I know you've actively supported the second of those.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:55:35pm |
re: #272 freetoken
I'd just like to know how a vote counts as a conflict of intrest that must be stopped, but shareholding isn't
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:55:47pm |
re: #276 Naso Tang
When our kids were young they had to show proof of vaccination before they were allowed into school.
Has that now been abandoned?
I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW o.O
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webevintage Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:56:01pm |
re: #271 WindUpBird
It's funny, I don't really trust billionaires in the Republican party!
If only I was willing to just trust my betters and the crumbs they are willing to toss our way....
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:56:13pm |
re: #243 WindUpBird
the thought of school administrators and politicians being able to have their way with public school teachers, because their union is busted?
That's really not a thing I want to see in my lifetime, it'll pretty much be the absolute death of the possibility of anyone getting a decent public education in America, it'll be pay to play, we'll just create ourselves an underclass of completely uneducated people with zero prospects
Bolded the important part. That is all this is about.
Destroying public education because it is secular.
This is less about unions and much more about education. It is about making sure that children never learn about that ebil science, much less satanic evolution.
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:56:35pm |
re: #276 Naso Tang
When our kids were young they had to show proof of vaccination before they were allowed into school.
Has that now been abandoned?
No, not in public schools. At least not in any state I know of.
But homeschoolers don't have to. Private schools don't have to have a vaccination requirement either.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:56:39pm |
re: #271 WindUpBird
It's funny, I don't really trust billionaires in the Republican party!
Are you listening Bloomberg!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:56:47pm |
re: #280 webevintage
If only I was willing to just trust my betters and the crumbs they are willing to toss our way...
If only I was willing to kiss the Golden Microphone and its corpulent custodian
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:56:54pm |
re: #238 freetoken
SAVE THE FORESKIN!!
We can use it to make a wallet, a wallet that when we rub it will turn into a suitcase!
(I'll see myself out)
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freetoken Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:57:09pm |
re: #278 WindUpBird
The same argument could be made against anyone who receives a government paycheck.
Should a SS recipient be able to choose a Congressman who would up their payment.
Should Federal workers get to vote for Congressmen who can up their salary?
And so forth.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:57:09pm |
re: #261 sizzleRI
Hi CL! I've really been appreciating your comments and insights on Libya and the Arab unrest!
Thanks! I've been less than calm a couple of times, which is part of why I stayed away for a while, but what can I say? It's not as if I'm the only opinionated person prone to occasional outbursts around here. Heh.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:57:21pm |
re: #236 webevintage
I think Andrew Sullivan went though a whole week or so last year missing his foreskin and discussing whether or not circumcision is mutilation of babies.
I have no opinion one way or the other...
There's a guy in the Bay Area who is both anti-Israel and anti-circumcision. (We're bestest buddies, obviously.) He is one of the dudes who is trying to restore his own foreskin.
A local pro-Israel activist, who also happens to be a lifelong lesbian, went to his website while doing research, and is now scarred for life.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:57:29pm |
re: #283 Mr Pancakes
Are you listening Bloomberg!
hahaha Bloomberg is about as GOP these as I am, he wouldn't be elected dogcatcher if the Koch brothers had their way
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:57:32pm |
re: #278 WindUpBird
I'd just like to know how a vote counts as a conflict of intrest that must be stopped, but shareholding isn't
Because D_F is quickly changing his story now that the wind is blowing the other way. He's admitted its because the public sector unions are a Dem power base.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:57:54pm |
re: #286 freetoken
The same argument could be made against anyone who receives a government paycheck.
Should a SS recipient be able to choose a Congressman who would up their payment.
Should Federal workers get to vote for Congressmen who can up their salary?
And so forth.
A CONFLICT OF INTEREST! LHRLRGRHRLRGRHRGRHRGR
all I can do is shrug and laugh
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:58:22pm |
re: #267 albusteve
as for legal prostitution, the sooner the better, and require the women to be CCW certified...try that for awhile
Hoot! Good idea! Just need to think of a way to keep a weapon close enough to hand while, erm, "conducting business."
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:58:52pm |
re: #288 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a guy in the Bay Area who is both anti-Israel and anti-circumcision. (We're bestest buddies, obviously.) He is one of the dudes who is trying to restore his own foreskin.
A local pro-Israel activist, who also happens to be a lifelong lesbian, went to his website while doing research, and is now scarred for life.
You know, you aren't ever going to get a position with the SF Tourism Board if the teaching thing doesn't work out.
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:58:53pm |
re: #290 McSpiff
Because D_F is quickly changing his story now that the wind is blowing the other way. He's admitted its because the public sector unions are a Dem power base.
Yes, and this is why taking a position on partisan grounds and then trying to come up with a reason to justify it later is lazy and backwards reasoning.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:58:56pm |
re: #262 publicityStunted
Every time I come across a news article on female genital mutilation, the comment thread will be filled with people saying "the West" has no right to condemn it as long as male circumcision is legal here, and that the condemnation is therefore rooted in racism.
Yeah, as if the procedures are even remotely similar. *sigh*
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:59:09pm |
Planned Parenthood contacted me today by e-mail to let me know that my Representative supported PP in Congress.
I must say, I was not even slightly surprised, but it was nice of them to let me know.
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Interesting Times Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:59:16pm |
re: #289 WindUpBird
hahaha Bloomberg is about as GOP these as I am, he wouldn't be elected dogcatcher if the Koch brothers had their way
Check out this infographic that bratwurst paged earlier:
George Soros – He’s No Koch Brother: Infographic
Nothing does a better job of showing why "the Right" is so, so wrong.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:59:48pm |
re: #282 Renaissance_Man
No, not in public schools. At least not in any state I know of.
But homeschoolers don't have to. Private schools don't have to have a vaccination requirement either.
Wheee oh i can't wait to see what happens when a disease hits an entire community of people who didnt vaccinate their children
just watch them blame THE GOVERNMENT for not saving them
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:00:42pm |
re: #294 Renaissance_Man
Yes, and this is why taking a position on partisan grounds and then trying to come up with a reason to justify it later is lazy and backwards reasoning.
I love it. I want D_F to keep posting half-assed talking points all night. Just keeps making clearer and clearer how ridiculously illogical the entire thing is as anything other than a "fuck you" to a working class that's rejecting the GOP.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:00:47pm |
re: #289 WindUpBird
hahaha Bloomberg is about as GOP these as I am, he wouldn't be elected dogcatcher if the Koch brothers had their way
Yep..... The whole part of defining who's who makes me laugh. People show their true colors by their actions.
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:01:25pm |
re: #296 SanFranciscoZionist
Hey, SFZ, did you see what Beck said about Reform Jews today?
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palomino Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:01:35pm |
re: #135 jamesfirecat
Legalizing Prostitution so long as people followed certain guidelines and making it so they no longer needed pimps for protection might help... its worth a try in my book, but a lot of things are worth a try in my book...
I agree it should be legalized, along with pot and online gambling. But I don't understand how this is a Harry Reid issue, even if he opposes it (for religious or economic reasons). It may actually take a little guts to make such a statement in NV, although it should be noted he didn't mention this during the campaign AFAIK.
Outside of Nevada (and maybe even there) what members of Congress disagree with Reid on this?
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:01:45pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:01:52pm |
re: #257 Decatur Deb
Making it illegal gives the exploiters even more tools of control.
That's my big concern.
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Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:02:32pm |
re: #241 darthstar
I have to be in Sonoma for a meeting the 7th through the 10th...I may just have to go a day early.
Cochon 555 - 5 chefs, 5 pigs, 5 wines. Fuck me silly, but that does sound like a delicious experience.
[Link: www.cochon555.com...]
Now if I had $250-350 to spend on a pig roast, I'd just buy a bunch of weed, pork and hickory, and beer, and just do it myself and invite a bunch of friends.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:02:39pm |
re: #300 Mr Pancakes
Yep... The whole part of defining who's who makes me laugh. People show their true colors by their actions.
There are republicans and then there are REPUBLICANS
Allen Alley is a republican.
The Koch brothers, lil' different
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:02:44pm |
re: #285 jamesfirecat
We can use it to make a wallet, a wallet that when we rub it will turn into a suitcase!
(I'll see myself out)
*groan*
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:03:02pm |
re: #303 austin_blue
If you get enough of them, you can make a moil! Dig in!
Hmmmm...... I thought it only took one as in my case.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:03:23pm |
re: #301 JasonA
Hey, SFZ, did you see what Beck said about Reform Jews today?
oh boy, is it starting? are we finally seeing the guy get the guts to just start saying it out loud?
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:03:43pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:04:30pm |
re: #254 Gus 802
Calloused dry skin. Decreased sensation.
Ummm...
I don't know about callouses, but it does decrease infections and general ick.
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:04:37pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:04:41pm |
Okay, so watch out liberal jews, the demonization is out loud now: [Link: www.salon.com...]
They're figuring the meme out, we're watching it happen live
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:04:45pm |
re: #309 WindUpBird
oh boy, is it starting? are we finally seeing the guy get the guts to just start saying it out loud?
You tell me.
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jaunte Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:05:07pm |
re: #310 CuriousLurker
There are some strange hobbies out there. Talk about navel-gazing.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:05:08pm |
Glenn Beck said something stupid about Jewish people, today. Just FYI. On his radio program, while discussing George Soros, Beck says Reform Judaism is "almost like" "radicalized Islam."
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:06:03pm |
re: #314 JasonA
You tell me.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Yep!
Liberal Jews, next 9/11, think about it, it could happen
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:06:26pm |
re: #290 McSpiff
Because D_F is quickly changing his story now that the wind is blowing the other way. He's admitted its because the public sector unions are a Dem power base.
I never concealed that. My position on this issue has been consistent since I joined LGF.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:06:37pm |
re: #311 prairiefire
Ummm...
I don't know about callouses, but it does decrease infections and general ick.
Whoo boy, now callouses. I would never have believed it; but now that I think of those videos......
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Gus Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:07:16pm |
re: #311 prairiefire
Ummm...
I don't know about callouses, but it does decrease infections and general ick.
It's supposed to be kept clean. The foreskin is a naturally protective sheath if you will and it is there for a reason. Now, if people want to have it removed that's fine by me. Otherwise, it's better to leave it where it is as it was developed over 100s of thousands of years of evolution.
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freetoken Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:07:17pm |
Indeed, the entire concept of "citizenship" in our democratic society is that we are all "owners" of our nation and thus we all have a vested interest in its well-being.
Teachers for public schools have a vested interest not only in their own salary and retirement accounts but in the well-being of the state/county/city for which they work.
One can be both an employee and an owner at the same time.
At the heart of the argument that is playing out in these issues is how the collective, aka "the government", directs the economic activity of our society through the redistribution of wealth.
At this point I'm really looking for leadership to step up to the plate and defend the idea that our social institutions, such as public schools, bind our society together, and that if we turn our back on what our parents and grandparents have built (since the civil war) in creating a modern society by working together then the very real risk is that our society becomes increasingly fragmented and eventually becomes unstable.
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:07:20pm |
re: #317 WindUpBird
Yep!
Liberal Jews, next 9/11, think about it, it could happen
Yeah, the two are so damn similar...
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:07:28pm |
re: #311 prairiefire
Ummm...
I don't know about callouses, but it does decrease infections and general ick.
From a health perspective, circumcision is better. No question. From aesthetics, hard to say.
I once knew a guy who had a circumcision in his early 20s for medical reasons. (Being a man of a certain age, he and his girlfriend decided to get back into the swing of things a little early, and he blew the end off his penis, but that's another story.) After his recovery, during a late night drinking session with all the guys around, we naturally asked him, out of our own curiosity, 'mate, you've had both - is it any different?'
He said, no, it wasn't really different, but his hand doesn't slip off the end as much any more.
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brookly red Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:07:53pm |
re: #303 austin_blue
If you get enough of them, you can make a moil! Dig in!
I got a really cool wallet... if you rub it a few time it turns into a gym bag.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:08:37pm |
re: #321 freetoken
Indeed, the entire concept of "citizenship" in our democratic society is that we are all "owners" of our nation and thus we all have a vested interest in its well-being.
Teachers for public schools have a vested interest not only in their own salary and retirement accounts but in the well-being of the state/county/city for which they work.
One can be both an employee and an owner at the same time.
At the heart of the argument that is playing out in these issues is how the collective, aka "the government", directs the economic activity of our society through the redistribution of wealth.
At this point I'm really looking for leadership to step up to the plate and defend the idea that our social institutions, such as public schools, bind our society together, and that if we turn our back on what our parents and grandparents have built (since the civil war) in creating a modern society by working together then the very real risk is that our society becomes increasingly fragmented and eventually becomes unstable.
So I suppose you don't need a reservation in Galt's Gulch?
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:08:38pm |
re: #323 Renaissance_Man
From a health perspective, circumcision is better. No question. From aesthetics, hard to say.
I once knew a guy who had a circumcision in his early 20s for medical reasons. (Being a man of a certain age, he and his girlfriend decided to get back into the swing of things a little early, and he blew the end off his penis, but that's another story.) After his recovery, during a late night drinking session with all the guys around, we naturally asked him, out of our own curiosity, 'mate, you've had both - is it any different?'
He said, no, it wasn't really different, but his hand doesn't slip off the end as much any more.
Okay, that was funny.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:08:48pm |
re: #301 JasonA
Hey, SFZ, did you see what Beck said about Reform Jews today?
I somehow...missed this. What did Beck say about Reform Jews today?
//I once spent an hour on the phone with my Catholic grandma, over something Dr. Laura said about Reform Jews.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:09:33pm |
re: #320 Gus 802
I have anecdotal knowledge of a guy who was circumcised when he was in his 30's because of infections.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:09:51pm |
re: #324 brookly red
I got a really cool wallet... if you rub it a few time it turns into a gym bag.
A classic, although I heard the punch line as a two suiter.
At any rate, good night, Lizards. Sweet dreams.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:10:03pm |
re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist
I somehow...missed this. What did Beck say about Reform Jews today?
//I once spent an hour on the phone with my Catholic grandma, over something Dr. Laura said about Reform Jews.
What are Reformed Jews...... Christians?
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:10:04pm |
re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist
I somehow...missed this. What did Beck say about Reform Jews today?
//I once spent an hour on the phone with my Catholic grandma, over something Dr. Laura said about Reform Jews.
[Link: mediamatters.org...]
Glenn Beck said something stupid about Jewish people, today. Just FYI. On his radio program, while discussing George Soros, Beck says Reform Judaism is "almost like" "radicalized Islam."
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:10:16pm |
re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist
I somehow...missed this. What did Beck say about Reform Jews today?
//I once spent an hour on the phone with my Catholic grandma, over something Dr. Laura said about Reform Jews.
Beck and Dr Laura.
I'm taking away your TV and radio.
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sizzleRI Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:10:24pm |
re: #287 CuriousLurker
Thanks! I've been less than calm a couple of times, which is part of why I stayed away for a while, but what can I say? It's not as if I'm the only opinionated person prone to occasional outbursts around here. Heh.
True that. And your outbursts are more polite than mine.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:10:31pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
I never concealed that. My position on this issue has been consistent since I joined LGF.
Yes Dark, and I continue to find it frightening how blase you are about using political power to target political opponents... would you be at all frightened if a Democrat was trying to break up the NRA?
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:11:07pm |
re: #323 Renaissance_Man
Oh, aesthetics? Is that an oxymoron?
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McSpiff Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:11:52pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
I never concealed that. My position on this issue has been consistent since I joined LGF.
Well no, that's not you said in this thread when asked. Something to do with unfair influence because union members are still allowed to vote. Be honest, if the public sector unions were GOP supports you'd be absolutely offended at whats happening in WI.
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:11:58pm |
re: #334 jamesfirecat
Yes Dark, and I continue to find it frightening how blase you are about using political power to target political opponents... would you be at all frightened if a Democrat was trying to break up the NRA?
Nah, he'd just rise up and demand they have the freedom to assemble.
Oh wait...
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palomino Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:12:24pm |
re: #313 WindUpBird
Okay, so watch out liberal jews, the demonization is out loud now: [Link: www.salon.com...]
They're figuring the meme out, we're watching it happen live
What the fuck does Beck know about Judaism, reform or otherwise? Seems to me he just insulted all Jews, especially Reform and secular. He's not far away from propagating the early 20th century stereotypes of Jews as conniving supporters of communism and foreign governments. OMG, the Rosenbergs!
One day he professes his love of all things Jewish, the next he takes a big crap on the whole religion. Maybe he really is a schizo.
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:12:44pm |
re: #328 prairiefire
I have anecdotal knowledge of a guy who was circumcised when he was in his 30's because of infections.
We might share an appreciation of poutine and smoked meat, but we clearly travel in different circles.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:12:49pm |
re: #310 CuriousLurker
Huh?
It's a thing where they do stuff to maximize the foreskin they have left, and sort of--reconstruct--things.
It's not entirely new. Jews used to do it back in the day to join the -Syro-Greek athletic events, back when you competed in the nude.
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Renaissance_Man Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:12:59pm |
re: #318 Dark_Falcon
I never concealed that. My position on this issue has been consistent since I joined LGF.
That is true. Your positions are consistent. Unfortunately, we are questioning the reasoning behind those positions. And that reasoning is, unfortunately, all too often something poorly thought out or based on misinformation. And despite being a generally nice guy, you get stuck in these poorly reasoned positions because your consistent positions are always 'whatever the Republicans say is right because they're my guys, and anyone on the side of Democrats is wrong because they're not'. Which is fine for a sports team, but irrational when dealing with real live people and serious consequences.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:13:13pm |
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:13:55pm |
re: #340 SanFranciscoZionist
It's a thing where they do stuff to maximize the foreskin they have left, and sort of--reconstruct--things.
It's not entirely new. Jews used to do it back in the day to join the -Syro-Greek athletic events, back when you competed in the nude.
Another reason why Greeks out to get out of sports and focus on diners.
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palomino Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:14:14pm |
re: #334 jamesfirecat
Yes Dark, and I continue to find it frightening how blase you are about using political power to target political opponents... would you be at all frightened if a Democrat was trying to break up the NRA?
But gunz is in the constitushooon, but it ain't say nothin bout no goddang commie unions. You libz is all the same.
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Gus Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:14:53pm |
re: #328 prairiefire
I have anecdotal knowledge of a guy who was circumcised when he was in his 30's because of infections.
If there an acute or even medical reason for it then that's expected. Sometimes that will be the case. Anyway. We wouldn't be having this conversation in Spain, Argentina, Italy and most all of Europe. The following countries have a circumcision rate of less than 20 percent:
Iceland, United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Portugal, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, Slovakia, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Ukraine, Austria, Belarus, Cyprus, Georgia.
In the end I can only conclude that it really doesn't make a difference to be cut or un-cut except under extraordinary circumstances.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:15:49pm |
re: #332 researchok
Beck and Dr Laura.
I'm taking away your TV and radio.
hahahahahaha
remember the Tom leykis feud with Dr. laura? good times
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CuriousLurker Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:16:21pm |
re: #333 sizzleRI
True that. And your outbursts are more polite than mine.
I dunno, I wasn't very polite with researchok the other day, but he seems to have studiously overlooked that and forgiven it. ;o)
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:16:42pm |
re: #346 WindUpBird
hahahahahaha
remember the Tom leykis feud with Dr. laura? good times
She is something else.
Bright as hell and bat shit crazy.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:16:44pm |
re: #338 palomino
What the fuck does Beck know about Judaism, reform or otherwise? Seems to me he just insulted all Jews, especially Reform and secular. He's not far away from propagating the early 20th century stereotypes of Jews as conniving supporters of communism and foreign governments. OMG, the Rosenbergs!
One day he professes his love of all things Jewish, the next he takes a big crap on the whole religion. Maybe he really is a schizo.
Well, they're liberals, so...
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:18:29pm |
re: #313 WindUpBird
Okay, so watch out liberal jews, the demonization is out loud now: [Link: www.salon.com...]
They're figuring the meme out, we're watching it happen live
OMG. "Reform Judaism is almost like radicalized Islam"?
I was raised Reform. Uh...Glenn...
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:18:48pm |
re: #347 CuriousLurker
I dunno, I wasn't very polite with researchok the other day, but he seems to have studiously overlooked that and forgiven it. ;o)
No worries.
The vast majority of our exchanges have been civil at the least and great at their best so an occasional dust up is anomalous.
I suspect we'd get along just fine if we took the time to converse.
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:19:18pm |
re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist
OMG. "Reform Judaism is almost like radicalized Islam"?
I was raised Reform. Uh...Glenn...
In a Jewish Madrassa?
/
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:19:27pm |
re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist
OMG. "Reform Judaism is almost like radicalized Islam"?
I was raised Reform. Uh...Glenn...
He's imploding.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:20:03pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:20:28pm |
re: #332 researchok
Beck and Dr Laura.
I'm taking away your TV and radio.
I didn't listen to Dr. Laura. But my grandmother did. And she was WORRIED.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:20:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:21:54pm |
re: #337 JasonA
Nah, he'd just rise up and demand they have the freedom to assemble.
Oh wait...
Freedom of assembly is not at issue here. No one is questioning the right of the protesters to protest, nor their right to enter into voluntary associations.
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Four More Tears Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:22:29pm |
re: #356 Decatur Deb
In a Reform School, silly.
At any rate, I'm just happy to see that she got out in time.
/
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:22:37pm |
re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist
I didn't listen to Dr. Laura. But my grandmother did. And she was WORRIED.
You saw my Greek diner line.
You laughed.
You know your grandmother would have laughed.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:23:10pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Yes, i did. To briefly recap, the answer is that say, an auto-workers union can organize and even strike for better pay and working conditions, but they cannot decide who owns the company they work for. By contrast, a public sector union can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating. Sometimes this ends up meaning that the unions back a candidate, if he wins he raises their salaries, which they then funnel back into his campaign in dues payments. Private sector unions have no such power.
By this logic any corporation that does business with, sells good or services to, or is regulated by the government should not be able to influence elections with money. Your company wants to sell conference seats to the Pentagon and to lobby the elected and appointed officials who set defense policy. The Koch brothers want no bid contracts / sales on Wisconsin state own energy assets, and Walker wants to give it to them. Citizen's United was supposed to cut both ways, but now you want to hamstring the side that disagrees with you politically while making some bullshit distinction about their ability to influence who owns the company.
Saying that public employee unions should have less of a say in who manages them than the private companies who curry favor and seek to profit from that management means that you see corporations as being more worthy of personhood than actual persons.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:29:43pm |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Yes, i did. To briefly recap, the answer is that say, an auto-workers union can organize and even strike for better pay and working conditions, but they cannot decide who owns the company they work for. By contrast, a public sector union can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating. Sometimes this ends up meaning that the unions back a candidate, if he wins he raises their salaries, which they then funnel back into his campaign in dues payments. Private sector unions have no such power.
Um, DF, you need to check this out some.
In at least some states, I can't speak for all of them, but in some states, public employees cannot participate in politics to the degree that they actively support a particular candidate or political party. They can support or oppose issues, but they can do nothing, directly or indirectly, in support of any particular candidate or party, including belonging to a union that supports a particular candidate or political party. And the reason this is prohibited is to avoid the type of scenario you've just described, either as you've described it OR in reverse (a candidate who was opposed reducing salaries and benefits for spite).
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:31:25pm |
re: #361 reine.de.tout
Um, DF, you need to check this out some.
In at least some states, I can't speak for all of them, but in some states, public employees cannot participate in politics to the degree that they actively support a particular candidate or political party. They can support or oppose issues, but they can do nothing, directly or indirectly, in support of any particular candidate or party, including belonging to a union that supports a particular candidate or political party. And the reason this is prohibited is to avoid the type of scenario you've just described, either as you've described it OR in reverse (a candidate who was opposed reducing salaries and benefits for spite).
Clarifying - public employees can, of course, VOTE, but in many states they cannot SHOW support or opposition to a candidate or political party through donations, volunteering, speaking in favor of or opposition to a specific candidate or party, etc.
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blueraven Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:33:31pm |
re: #179 ProLifeLiberal
I know he is a very effective politician, but he doesn't seem to be a nice guy. I would vote for him, but not actually want to meet him, if that makes any sense. There are some politicians out there who are decent people.
What is all this nice guy crap? Just because someone doesn't come off as your idea of of nice does not mean he isn't a decent person.
I think he is decent. So there!
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:43:03pm |
re: #330 Mr Pancakes
What are Reformed Jews... Christians?
As I was told by my Conservative Jewish friend:
The Ultra-Orthodox Jew says, "Happy Hanukkah"
The Orthodox Jew says, "Happy Hanukkah"
The Conservative Jew says, "Happy Hanukkah"
The Reform Jew says, "Happy Hanukkah"
The Ultra-Reform Jew says, "Merry Christmas"
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researchok Tue, Feb 22, 2011 8:44:49pm |
re: #361 reine.de.tout
re: #362 reine.de.tout
The problem is one of overlap.
Unions have done much good. They have also done much not so good.
There have been great union leaders and there have been union leaders that have ripped their unions off to the tune of millions. The mob wasn't attracted to unions and union leaders because of their integrity.
Unions have supported great candidates and they have supported corrupt thieves.
Like corporations and banks, there is very little that is black and white, no matter how much one side or the other wants us to believe just that.
Unions, corporations and banks are complicated subjects and there seems to be little interest in having a real and productive conversation.
Politics.
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sagehen Tue, Feb 22, 2011 9:02:47pm |
re: #330 Mr Pancakes
What are Reformed Jews... Christians?
The kind of Jews you see in sitcoms... Jerry Seinfeld would be our avatar.
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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:18:37am |
re: #311 prairiefire
Ummm...
I don't know about callouses, but it does decrease infections and general ick.
That should be for the men to decide when they're adults.
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Obdicut Wed, Feb 23, 2011 3:27:15am |
re: #258 Dark_Falcon
Yes, i did. To briefly recap, the answer is that say, an auto-workers union can organize and even strike for better pay and working conditions, but they cannot decide who owns the company they work for. By contrast, a public sector union can directly try to put into office the people with whom it would be negotiating.
But this isn't true, Dark. The workers can indeed decide who owns the company they work for, and are often, themselves, part-owners. They can buy stock. They can, in fact, eventually gain more influence in ownership than they ever could gain votes in an election.
Please try to come up with another reason, since this one doesn't fly.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Feb 23, 2011 10:49:49am |
Maybe Jeremy Piven can play his brother on TV ...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Wed, Feb 23, 2011 12:17:34pm |
re: #48 albusteve
liberals trying to control men's bodies again...and they might outlaw circumcision in San Fransisco...these people will stop at nothing
This must be the most hilarious case of unintended irony I've seen this year. Try thinking before you post, albusteve.
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