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1 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 1:45:36pm

I noticed that line yesterday and posted it here.. it's a great response to the idea that since states are doing poorly unions shouldn't get what the contracts they agreed to say they should...

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 1:46:16pm

I love Colbert Cheese!

3 abolitionist  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 1:49:53pm

Second clip is awesome.

4 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 1:56:25pm

re: #1 jamesfirecat

That's the scary part of the numbers here in California. The fixed benefit and "spiked" benefit pensions are hugely expensive. Only good market investing conditions could support them. Then we had the epic huge reversal. No one (no Dem, no Repub, no Gov.) ever contemplated having to pay them without the benefit of a good market for investing. Now look out. And Jerry Brown is not going to pull anything like Wis. He may get a Federal bailout, he may get after bankruptcy if it's possible. In which case every one gets the screw job, not just certain unions.

5 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 1:58:15pm

re: #4 Rightwingconspirator

That's the scary part of the numbers here in California. The fixed benefit and "spiked" benefit pensions are hugely expensive. Only good market investing conditions could support them. Then we had the epic huge reversal. No one (no Dem, no Repub, no Gov.) ever contemplated having to pay them without the benefit of a good market for investing. Now look out. And Jerry Brown is not going to pull anything like Wis. He may get a Federal bailout, he may get after bankruptcy if it's possible. In which case every one gets the screw job, not just certain unions.

That is doubtlessly a sad thing and it shows poor planning on the state's side, but trying to blame the unions for such a situation is silly, don't you agree?

6 Winny Spencer  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:00:36pm

Time to get a thrill.
Time for Hardball.

See you later.

7 Gus  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:01:24pm

Obama statement on Lybia in about 11 minutes.

President Obama Speaks on Libya

8 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:03:13pm

re: #7 Gus 802

Obama statement on Lybia in about 11 minutes.

President Obama Speaks on Libya

I wonder if he's going to tell the car and slurpee story again.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:07:23pm

Jim Hoft just launched an especially flaccid attack on me, with a link to the stalker site, where they're apparently ranting and raving because I banned NJDHockeyfan yesterday.

Idiots.

Unfortunately for the moron squad, NJD emailed and apologized for that comment, and I restored his account.

Fail. Again.

10 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:08:06pm

re: #5 jamesfirecat

I certainly blame both sides at the negotiating table of the time. Legislative oversight of Calpers was lacking. I suspect union contributions to legislators distorted the negotiations just like energy contributions can get them overly sweet deals. But lots of blame to go around. Some folks yelled about it from time to time but nothing changed.

11 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:08:07pm

Tide comes in...

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:09:47pm

re: #9 Charles

Jim Hoft just launched an especially flaccid attack on me, with a link to the stalker site, where they're apparently ranting and raving because I banned NJDHockeyfan yesterday.

Idiots.

Unfortunately for the moron squad, NJD emailed and apologized for that comment, and I restored his account.

Fail. Again.

Hey! We had a conversation, worked things out, and settled the matter! No need for a decade-long feud! What a novel concept!!

Glad to hear NJDHockeyfan is back.

13 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:14:20pm

NJD was banned? I didn't even know.

Well, glad he's back.

(NJD isn't sufficiently perpetually enraged to be a stalker anyway. The guy goes from rancorous politics to tomato gardening in 3 seconds flat.)

14 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:15:18pm

re: #13 Fozzie Bear

NJD was banned? I didn't even know.

Well, glad he's back.

(NJD isn't sufficiently perpetually enraged to be a stalker anyway. The guy goes from rancorous politics to tomato gardening in 3 seconds flat.)

Tomato gardening? Downright insidious!

///

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:16:14pm

re: #13 Fozzie Bear

NJD was banned? I didn't even know.

Well, glad he's back.

(NJD isn't sufficiently perpetually enraged to be a stalker anyway. The guy goes from rancorous politics to tomato gardening in 3 seconds flat.)

Definitely not stalker material, then. They freak out over a little bit of kale.

;)

16 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:38:10pm

re: #9 Charles

Jim Hoft just launched an especially flaccid attack on me, with a link to the stalker site, where they're apparently ranting and raving because I banned NJDHockeyfan yesterday.

Idiots.

Unfortunately for the moron squad, NJD emailed and apologized for that comment, and I restored his account.

Fail. Again.

You know you're over the target when you start taking flak derp.

17 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 2:56:15pm

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

I certainly blame both sides at the negotiating table of the time. Legislative oversight of Calpers was lacking. I suspect union contributions to legislators distorted the negotiations just like energy contributions can get them overly sweet deals. But lots of blame to go around. Some folks yelled about it from time to time but nothing changed.

Don't know if you saw the links from a few threads down. States with union representation and/or collective bargaining rights for public employees are not more likely to have larger deficits or greater unfunded liabilities. Blaming the situation on unions doesn't hold up.

18 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Feb 23, 2011 3:43:56pm

re: #17 Talking Point Detective

Don't know if you saw the links from a few threads down. States with union representation and/or collective bargaining rights for public employees are not more likely to have larger deficits or greater unfunded liabilities. Blaming the situation on unions doesn't hold up.

Right. Texas is a right to work state and has a HUGE budget deficit. They can't use public employee unions as scapegoats, so instead they are cutting prenatal care for the poor, mandating ultrasounds to stop abortions, and allowing guns on college campuses.


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