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Whenever you wash dishes, cook, or clean, if you make no sound, this is smartness itself. A person who enters a house and makes a lot of noise is revealing a lack of spirituality; even cats and dogs do not make unnecessary sounds, and man as he naturally is does not make any either.

Michio Kushi

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1 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:22:56pm

Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Oklahoma...

Steve Martin (Ruprecht) Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

2 freetoken  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:27:16pm

Kushi was a funky guy... definitely out there on the fringe.

3 What, me worry?  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:28:05pm

Very zen, isn't it?

I had a dog that wouldn't stop barking, but then again, he was high strung. Of course, I know a few folks who won't stop barking either...

4 What, me worry?  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:28:35pm

Goodnight my lovely lizards. Sweet dreams.

5 SlouchingPoet  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:31:51pm

I usually dig these quotes, but this one is... wrong. Animals won't shut the hell up and how is talking a sign of non-smartness? No, no, this doesn't add up at all.

6 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:33:56pm

My favorite koan:

Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.

7 elizajane  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:35:30pm

Small rant of the day:

What is this middle class race to the bottom? Why, when confronted with the benefits enjoyed by at least some government workers, do private sector workers not say, "Hey! My employer, whose stock has doubled in value in the past 2 years, should be giving me those kind of benefits too!" Why do they say instead "Hey, my salary hasn't gone up in five years and I have crappy health insurance and a minimal retirement plan. Everybody else should have it just as bad as I do!"
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince the middle class that they should grab those just above them as they and their mortgages sink under water? That instead of trying to improve their own lot, they should fight to worsen the lots of others?

It really, really bothers me.

8 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:37:47pm

re: #6 000G

Very well done.

9 freetoken  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:41:56pm

Well, Kushi was more I-Ching than Zen. He wrote some, shall we say, "creative" books.

10 freetoken  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:42:23pm

I keep putting him in the past tense, but I don't think he's dead yet.

11 freetoken  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:45:04pm

re: #7 elizajane


How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince ...

Because God gave the rich their money and he wants them to have a greater share of the wealth, and anything that disputes that is atheistic socialism.

12 beartiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:56:37pm

re: #1 ozbloke

Omfg, ozbloke, that scene with Ruprecht was the first thing I thought of when I read the quote!

13 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:03:35pm

Hey all!

Just finished with this day's work on the Temple of Vesta. have the podium, steps and column bases built out of styrofoam and ready to cover with CelluClay tomorrow.

Have to find some thing at HomeDepot that will be cheap and serve as the column supports (thinking PVC pipe), then we get to cover it all tomorrow evening. Sunday we make the roof!

Hoping it will be finished by Tuesday morning.

how has your day been?

14 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:05:41pm

re: #7 elizajane

Small rant of the day:

What is this middle class race to the bottom? Why, when confronted with the benefits enjoyed by at least some government workers, do private sector workers not say, "Hey! My employer, whose stock has doubled in value in the past 2 years, should be giving me those kind of benefits too!" Why do they say instead "Hey, my salary hasn't gone up in five years and I have crappy health insurance and a minimal retirement plan. Everybody else should have it just as bad as I do!"
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince the middle class that they should grab those just above them as they and their mortgages sink under water? That instead of trying to improve their own lot, they should fight to worsen the lots of others?

It really, really bothers me.

Because there is more to the economy that workers and corporations.

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:14:38pm

Ok, I killed the thread.

I didn't mean to :(

16 freetoken  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:26:13pm

re: #13 ggt

Your next assignment will be to build Rome... in a day.

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:26:46pm

re: #16 freetoken

Your next assignment will be to build Rome... in a day.

Can't be done.

18 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:29:08pm

I thoroughly enjoy Santana guitar playing.

I don't enjoy having to endure the ad's before the video, but I do like not paying for it.

19 Kragar  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:29:11pm

re: #17 ggt

Can't be done.

Proxy model it.

"What is that pizza box?"

"Circus Maximus."

"And the gatorade bottle?"

"Temple of Vesta, and I used my bro's slip and slide for the aqueduct."

20 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:29:58pm

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Proxy model it.

"What is that pizza box?"

"Circus Maximus."

"And the gatorade bottle?"

"Temple of Vesta, and I used my bro's slip and slide for the aqueduct."

Very good! Nothing to dry or paint.

21 Dekar  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:31:16pm

re: #6 000G

My favorite koan:

Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.

I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?

22 freetoken  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:32:02pm

re: #21 Dekar

I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?

It's the sound of no finger pointing...

23 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:37:15pm

re: #21 Dekar

I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?

I love dealing with feeble minds... what cha need to know?

24 boredtechindenver  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:38:25pm

re: #21 Dekar

Gutei raised his middle finger, and the boy was a young Rahm Emanuel. ;-) //

25 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:39:30pm

temple of vesta

poor romans. the forum was the center of the world, and the temple of vesta was probably the only really beautiful thing there

26 Kragar  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:42:27pm

re: #25 engineer dog

temple of vesta

poor romans. the forum was the center of the world, and the temple of vesta was probably the only really beautiful thing there

What about the Rostra?

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:43:12pm

re: #11 freetoken

Because God gave the rich their money and he wants them to have a greater share of the wealth, and anything that disputes that is atheistic socialism.


Ah yes, Calvinism: wealth as the outward sign of inner grace. A successful attempt to stuff a camel through the eye of a needle.

We have that shit so ingrained in our culture adn consciousness that cynical bastard politicians can still appeal to it - and it works.

28 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:45:28pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about the Rostra?

ah - that was probably really interesting, but i think there are no representations of it except a sketchy one found in a wall painting in pompeii

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:46:55pm

I think there were probably many beautiful buildings, at the time of the Roman Empire. They were painted and adorned in ways we can only speculate about. Not austere buildings if white marble like in Washington DC.

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:49:38pm

It was reallly rather simple, based on the original "huts".

31 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:52:52pm

re: #30 ggt

It was reallly rather simple, based on the original "huts".

and so it still can be seen to be today

i was thinking of colleen mccollagh's speculation in First Man In Rome that in republican times the forum was somewhat unimpressive for a world center except that the temple of vesta was already there and very graceful

32 Kragar  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:53:51pm

And here is why you don't pick up hitchhikers...

33 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:55:04pm

re: #31 engineer dog

and so it still can be seen to be today

i was thinking of colleen mccollagh's speculation in First Man In Rome that in republican times the forum was somewhat unimpressive for a world center except that the temple of vesta was already there and very graceful

It's been opened to the public, this month!

34 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:55:41pm

re: #31 engineer dog

and so it still can be seen to be today

i was thinking of colleen mccollagh's speculation in First Man In Rome that in republican times the forum was somewhat unimpressive for a world center except that the temple of vesta was already there and very graceful

Yeah, it think it has a presence --calming and eternal.

35 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:56:55pm

re: #33 ggt

It's been opened to the public, this month!

we were there last september and the forum was open then to

i gots pictures on my iPhone

36 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:57:58pm

The Forum was such a hodgepodge. Not a cohesive pre-planned city by any means.

Finding the Temple of Vesta (or any building) is like playing I-Spy.

37 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:58:15pm

re: #35 engineer dog

we were there last september and the forum was open then to

i gots pictures on my iPhone

Very cool!

38 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 25, 2011 11:59:41pm

February 6, 2011. After spending years on making repairs, the Roman Forum has finally opened over 7 acres of land for public use. This land includes the House of the Vestal Virgins and its temple, a group of ruins known in Latin as the 'Atrium Vestae' that includes the Temple of Vesta.

oh cool i guess they've opened up some of the buildings there

the house of the vestal virgins, close to the temple obviously, was gated off when i was there, but you could see the reflecting pool in the middle and even some of the statues of famous vestal virgins around it

palatine hill looms over it

39 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:01:21am

re: #16 freetoken

Your next assignment will be to build Rome... in a day.

It's interesting how some cultures are proud of their heritage, their past, and others attempt to cover it up, forget it, or at least minimize it.

A dear to my heart subject is how the French have managed to cover up the Roman's historical background in the formation of the city of Paris. Sure, you can find the info in books, historians know of the Roman influence in the early stages of the city, but if you visit Paris, you will be hard pressed to find vestiges of Rome around the city.

Someone mentioned the forum at Rome above. Did you know that there is a whole Roman forum in Paris? About the size of two football fields. It's on the left back, just south of St. Michael's. Where you may ask... well it's buried, and never excavated.

It now sits below ground, the main occupant is a large underground car park. If you know where to look, on one of the exit stairs of the car park, around the forth landing, is a clear glass panel, with a section of the remains of one of the walls of the forum. That's it.

You can see a whole square block of Roman era ruins, right near Notre Dame, but I defy anyone to find the place. It sits under the large open plaza in front of the cathedral, underground and there is a staircase at the far west end of the plaza that allows access.

Did you know there is a gladiator arena in Paris? It's on the left bank, near the Luxembourg Gardens, situated in a large courtyard between four tall apartment buildings.

I have a friend who works for a committee who attempts to keep the city from building over these Roman ruins. Sometimes they win, sometimes the loose, but it seems, at least in Paris, that the city is not very interested in it's Roman heritage.

Lyon, Arles and many other smaller cities in France celebrate their archeological wonders, the coliseum in Arles is one of the largest in Europe. But in Paris, there is this Gallic pride that seems to want to make it appear that the wonders of Paris all just appear like magic, void of any outside influences.

If you're ever headed to Paris, and want some info on where and what to see in regards to ancient Lutetia, give me a ring.

40 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:03:33am

re: #38 engineer dog

February 6, 2011. After spending years on making repairs, the Roman Forum has finally opened over 7 acres of land for public use. This land includes the House of the Vestal Virgins and its temple, a group of ruins known in Latin as the 'Atrium Vestae' that includes the Temple of Vesta.

oh cool i guess they've opened up some of the buildings there

the house of the vestal virgins, close to the temple obviously, was gated off when i was there, but you could see the reflecting pool in the middle and even some of the statues of famous vestal virgins around it

palatine hill looms over it

It is so hard, from the internet, to get a feel for the topography of Rome. I've had to print-out so many pictures and maps to be able to visualize it.

It seems that the Temple of Vesta is on the way down the Palatine Hill on the North East part. Can't see the Tiber from that angle. The Home of the Vestals almost overpowers it.

I've tried to imagine if there was any landscaping around the base or was it paved somehow, was there a fence or low wall built to separate it from the street?

41 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:03:46am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

fascinating! i had no idea...

42 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:04:28am

re: #41 engineer dog

fascinating! i had no idea...

Neither do many Parisians.

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:06:24am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

It's interesting how some cultures are proud of their heritage, their past, and others attempt to cover it up, forget it, or at least minimize it.

A dear to my heart subject is how the French have managed to cover up the Roman's historical background in the formation of the city of Paris. Sure, you can find the info in books, historians know of the Roman influence in the early stages of the city, but if you visit Paris, you will be hard pressed to find vestiges of Rome around the city.

Someone mentioned the forum at Rome above. Did you know that there is a whole Roman forum in Paris? About the size of two football fields. It's on the left back, just south of St. Michael's. Where you may ask... well it's buried, and never excavated.

It now sits below ground, the main occupant is a large underground car park. If you know where to look, on one of the exit stairs of the car park, around the forth landing, is a clear glass panel, with a section of the remains of one of the walls of the forum. That's it.

You can see a whole square block of Roman era ruins, right near Notre Dame, but I defy anyone to find the place. It sits under the large open plaza in front of the cathedral, underground and there is a staircase at the far west end of the plaza that allows access.

Did you know there is a gladiator arena in Paris? It's on the left bank, near the Luxembourg Gardens, situated in a large courtyard between four tall apartment buildings.

I have a friend who works for a committee who attempts to keep the city from building over these Roman ruins. Sometimes they win, sometimes the loose, but it seems, at least in Paris, that the city is not very interested in it's Roman heritage.

Lyon, Arles and many other smaller cities in France celebrate their archeological wonders, the coliseum in Arles is one of the largest in Europe. But in Paris, there is this Gallic pride that seems to want to make it appear that the wonders of Paris all just appear like magic, void of any outside influences.

If you're ever headed to Paris, and want some info on where and what to see in regards to ancient Lutetia, give me a ring.

There are the hallmarks of Roman Civilization (circus's etc) all over Europe, The Britain, the Middle East, Turkey and Northern Afrika. Very cool really.

I think Cities Underground did a thing on Paris and showed some remnants of aqueducts or something. Another show they were out in the woods somewhere and on the side of a hill behind some overgrowth was the entrance to a Roman structure.

Very cool.

44 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:07:23am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

It's interesting how some cultures are proud of their heritage, their past, and others attempt to cover it up, forget it, or at least minimize it.

A dear to my heart subject is how the French have managed to cover up the Roman's historical background in the formation of the city of Paris. Sure, you can find the info in books, historians know of the Roman influence in the early stages of the city, but if you visit Paris, you will be hard pressed to find vestiges of Rome around the city.

Someone mentioned the forum at Rome above. Did you know that there is a whole Roman forum in Paris? About the size of two football fields. It's on the left back, just south of St. Michael's. Where you may ask... well it's buried, and never excavated.

It now sits below ground, the main occupant is a large underground car park. If you know where to look, on one of the exit stairs of the car park, around the forth landing, is a clear glass panel, with a section of the remains of one of the walls of the forum. That's it.

You can see a whole square block of Roman era ruins, right near Notre Dame, but I defy anyone to find the place. It sits under the large open plaza in front of the cathedral, underground and there is a staircase at the far west end of the plaza that allows access.

Did you know there is a gladiator arena in Paris? It's on the left bank, near the Luxembourg Gardens, situated in a large courtyard between four tall apartment buildings.

I have a friend who works for a committee who attempts to keep the city from building over these Roman ruins. Sometimes they win, sometimes the loose, but it seems, at least in Paris, that the city is not very interested in it's Roman heritage.

Lyon, Arles and many other smaller cities in France celebrate their archeological wonders, the coliseum in Arles is one of the largest in Europe. But in Paris, there is this Gallic pride that seems to want to make it appear that the wonders of Paris all just appear like magic, void of any outside influences.

If you're ever headed to Paris, and want some info on where and what to see in regards to ancient Lutetia, give me a ring.

It's kinda like the remnants of slavery in the US. Every once in a while, you can see stone fences and such built by slaves along the road in Kentucky and other parts.

45 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:07am

re: #39 Walter L. Newton

Heh, the Japanese refuse to excavate (in detail, in public) their oldest keyhole Kofuns. Frankly I think it is simply down to their fear that they really are displaced Koreans after all:

[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:07am

Sorry for hitting "quote" and not "reply" making the posts soo long.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:25am

re: #43 ggt

Peoople building in the German city of Trier no longer bother to excavate cellars under their houses: they know that they are certain to stumble on some Roman ruins, which would require suspending construction until the archaeological authorities can come examine them...

48 Kragar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:08:45am

The one reason why I would actually like to visit Jordan some day.

Roman Army and Chariot Racing Spectacle at Jerash

49 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:09:41am

re: #40 ggt

It is so hard, from the internet, to get a feel for the topography of Rome. I've had to print-out so many pictures and maps to be able to visualize it.

It seems that the Temple of Vesta is on the way down the Palatine Hill on the North East part. Can't see the Tiber from that angle. The Home of the Vestals almost overpowers it.

I've tried to imagine if there was any landscaping around the base or was it paved somehow, was there a fence or low wall built to separate it from the street?

the forum itself is in a bit of a valley, lower than three of the sides around it. it seems that its origin may have been as a common ground for the little hamlets on the adjacent hills in early times. it seems clear that it was a swampy area that was filled in to become useful

the palatine can be accessed directly off the forum on one side - you climb up some steep stairs to a wonderful park on the flat topped palatine hill. there are plenty of ruined buildings from the roman period, but almost nothing seems to have been built there since then, when you get to the opposite side from the forum, a bit of a walk, you end up in the ruins of augustus' place

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:09:59am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The one reason why I would actually like to visit Jordan some day.

Roman Army and Chariot Racing Spectacle at Jerash

A friend went there last year. I don't think I could handle the "bathroom" facilities while doing toursit stuff. AND the heat.

I don't travel well.

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:10:01am

re: #45 freetoken

Government and religion in Japan are closely intertwined at the level of the First Emperors, they are not about to excavate anything that would tarnish the great myths.

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:11:13am

re: #49 engineer dog

the forum itself is in a bit of a valley, lower than three of the sides around it. it seems that its origin may have been as a common ground for the little hamlets on the adjacent hills in early times. it seems clear that it was a swampy area that was filled in to become useful

the palatine can be accessed directly off the forum on one side - you climb up some steep stairs to a wonderful park on the flat topped palatine hill. there are plenty of ruined buildings from the roman period, but almost nothing seems to have been built there since then, when you get to the opposite side from the forum, a bit of a walk, you end up in the ruins of augustus' place

Makes sense!

53 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:12:17am

re: #47 ralphieboy

Peoople building in the German city of Trier no longer bother to excavate cellars under their houses: they know that they are certain to stumble on some Roman ruins, which would require suspending construction until the archaeological authorities can come examine them...

I saw one show a long time ago about a home in Israel? They began digging underneath and found another home 4000 years old!

Here in America, we are more likely to find gold.

54 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:13:18am

Did some work. Intertoobs down for almost 5 hours. Went to sleep. Almost 50. Still living in an apartment. Life sucks. Pour whisky.

55 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:13:44am

re: #45 freetoken

Heh, the Japanese refuse to excavate (in detail, in public) their oldest keyhole Kofuns. Frankly I think it is simply down to their fear that they really are displaced Koreans after all:

[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]

How pathetic.

they might find a humanoid skeleton that proves they aren't the god's chosen?

Kinda like the old cover-up of the neanderthal skeleton found in Europe.

56 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:14:39am

re: #54 Gus 802

Did some work. Intertoobs down for almost 5 hours. Went to sleep. Almost 50. Still living in an apartment. Life sucks. Pour whisky.

No it doesn't suck. Houses are WORK.

We've chosen a condo/townhome and can't wait to get rid of it when the kid is emancipated.

57 Kragar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:15:07am

re: #53 ggt

I saw one show a long time ago about a home in Israel? They began digging underneath and found another home 4000 years old!

Here in America, we are more likely to find gold.

My grandparents house was built on the old town dump from the late 1880's till just past the turn of the century. We used to go out back and dig up old bottles, tins and a ton of other old stuff.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:15:41am

re: #55 ggt

Archaeological denial in order to preserve one's religious myths is rather harmless when compared to what we have here in America: Climate Change denial or denial of Evolution...

59 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:52am

re: #56 ggt

No it doesn't suck. Houses are WORK.

We've chosen a condo/townhome and can't wait to get rid of it when the kid is emancipated.

Groovy. And they're way more expensive. Anyway, just thinking. Apartment living has its own annoyances which come for free.

60 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:54am

re: #58 ralphieboy

Archaeological denial in order to preserve one's religious myths is rather harmless when compared to what we have here in America: Climate Change denial or denial of Evolution...

Denial of empirical science is horrible in all it's forms.

Especially when it doesn't always disprove myths.

61 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:54am

re: #55 ggt

How pathetic.

they might find a humanoid skeleton that proves they aren't the god's chosen?

Kinda like the old cover-up of the neanderthal skeleton found in Europe.

that reminds me - there's a science fiction story somebody told me about once that i've been trying to track down for a while and haven't located yet...

seems that the neanderthals survive into modern france, except that they keep it a secret and keep to themselves in certain towns. the young neanderthals are warned not to marry outside the group

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:16:59am

re: #56 ggt


If you enjoy the work and the gardening and stuff, then it is fine. But as an investment, well, we have seen that they are far from the best.

Buy gold and stock up on ammo!!!

/

63 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:18:13am

re: #61 engineer dog

that reminds me - there's a science fiction story somebody told me about once that i've been trying to track down for a while and haven't located yet...

seems that the neanderthals survive into modern france, except that they keep it a secret and keep to themselves in certain towns. the young neanderthals are warned not to marry outside the group

Oh wow, I listened to a short story like that. Either thru Escape Pod or Star Ship Sofa. Podcasts with their own websites, fan base etc. You could probably post a question on either and get an answer.

64 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:18:22am

re: #45 freetoken

Heh, the Japanese refuse to excavate (in detail, in public) their oldest keyhole Kofuns. Frankly I think it is simply down to their fear that they really are displaced Koreans after all:

[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]

Well my friend who works at preservation of Paris' ancient pass, he is an expat who has lived in Paris for over 30 years, used to work for UNESCO, children's education division, says it is a pride and cultural thing. The French, he says, are not that interested in giving credit to any other cultural influences in their past history. As Arthur says, try to find a painting in the Louvre or Versailles that is about a French defeat in battle.

65 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:19:05am

Seems like only yesterday I was 30. In a blink of an eye! Boom! 50. One more blink until 70.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:19:37am

re: #62 ralphieboy

If you enjoy the work and the gardening and stuff, then it is fine. But as an investment, well, we have seen that they are far from the best.

Buy gold and stock up on ammo!!!

/

Nah, I think I am going to invest in water.

Homes work if you have a need. Kids, dogs, hobbies.

The only reason we have discussed buying a home is to have a fenced-in back yard for the dogs. No more taking them on the leash everytime they have to go out. But, it hasn't motived us enought to actually move.

67 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:08am

I probably just need one of them there female companion units who would be telling me right now, "come to bed Gus and stop worrying."

68 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:44am

re: #55 ggt

they might find a humanoid skeleton that proves they aren't the god's chosen?

The Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are very sensitive about their past relations, and especially claims over cultural innovations.

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Cultural pride seems to be a common denominator in many of these situations.

69 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:46am

re: #67 Gus 802

I probably just need one of them there female companion units who would be telling me right now, "come to bed Gus and stop worrying."

Then she'd be kicking you and telling you to stop snoring!

:)

70 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:20:46am

re: #63 ggt

Escape Pod or Star Ship Sofa

huh!

thanks - i didn't know about those sites!

71 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:19am

re: #65 Gus 802

Let's hope you'll keep blinking at least till 90.

72 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:46am

re: #65 Gus 802

Seems like only yesterday I was 30. In a blink of an eye! Boom! 50. One more blink until 70.

It's better than the alternative.

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:46am

re: #68 freetoken

The Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are very sensitive about their past relations, and especially claims over cultural innovations.

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Cultural pride seems to be a common denominator in many of these situations.

In American, we really don't have such an emotional vested interest, as long as we can find a way to make money on it, credit is secondary. (well, patents, copyright etc --all related to making a living)

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:21:51am

Watching an odd Israeli comedy about young hipsters in Tel Aviv. One of them has hooked up with a Palestinian guy who's hiding out in Israel because he's gay, and is telling his sister he's in Jerusalem, shacked up with a divorced Christian girl.

75 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:22:57am

re: #71 freetoken

Let's hope you'll keep blinking at least till 90.

Yeah. I doubt I'll get that far. Even if I did if I feel the way I do now when I'm 90 I probably won't be able to bend my neck or spine. Can't wait.

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:23:53am

re: #73 ggt

In American, we really don't have such an emotional vested interest, as long as we can find a way to make money on it, credit is secondary. (well, patents, copyright etc --all related to making a living)

Our cultural Denial is based on a fundamentalist, literalist inteprpretation of the Bible, which automatically rejects Evolution, and a fundamendalist approach to Free Market economics, which rejects climate change.

77 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:24:02am

re: #73 ggt

In American, we really don't have such an emotional vested interest, as long as we can find a way to make money on it, credit is secondary. (well, patents, copyright etc --all related to making a living)

No kidding... if we can put a fence around it and charge admission, then we'll preserve it... maybe that's not too bad a thing?

78 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:24:37am

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

It's better than the alternative.

Like if you're 30 and suddenly in a blink of an eye one is 10 years old?

//

79 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:25:13am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Watching an odd Israeli comedy about young hipsters in Tel Aviv. One of them has hooked up with a Palestinian guy who's hiding out in Israel because he's gay, and is telling his sister he's in Jerusalem, shacked up with a divorced Christian girl.

See any snow in your parts yet?

80 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:25:23am

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

Watching an odd Israeli comedy about young hipsters in Tel Aviv. One of them has hooked up with a Palestinian guy who's hiding out in Israel because he's gay, and is telling his sister he's in Jerusalem, shacked up with a divorced Christian girl.

It sounds like that one scene from Crash with Don Cheadle and Jennifer Esposito in bed. His mom called and he said he was having sex with a Mexican Girl. She got pissed and got out of bed and explained that neither of her parents were from Mexico. He replied, "well I thought it would piss-off is mom more."

or something to that effect.

81 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:25:47am

re: #78 Gus 802

Like if you're 30 and suddenly in a blink of an eye one is 10 years old?

//

No... like you blink and then you're dead.

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:26:18am

re: #79 Gus 802

See any snow in your parts yet?

No. It feels cold enough outside, but nothing coming down.

83 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:27:15am

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

No... like you blink and then you're dead.

Thanks. I'm aware of the full range of alternatives. :)

84 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:29:04am

re: #83 Gus 802

Thanks. I'm aware of the full range of alternatives. :)

I was just trying to be helpful, make sure we were covering all the bases.

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:29:51am

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

No kidding... if we can put a fence around it and charge admission, then we'll preserve it... maybe that's not too bad a thing?

While in Toronto, the family tried to find the remains of Fort York. They had it preserved and rebuilt sort of.

First of all, even tho it was listed as a tourist attraction it was hard as hell to find, under an overpass . . . .. Landfill etc.

Compared to what we are used to with our National Parks and Historical Preservation Societies, it was really lame. No national pride showed in the Fort or it's presentation or real interest scientifically, or historically.

It is where the Canadians fought the American's and maintained their independence, big battle, big deal! Something like that, we would celebrate.

We found it kinda sad.

86 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:30:10am

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I was just trying to be helpful, make sure we were covering all the bases.

Roger. Copy. 10-4.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:31:10am

re: #80 ggt

It sounds like that one scene from Crash with Don Cheadle and Jennifer Esposito in bed. His mom called and he said he was having sex with a Mexican Girl. She got pissed and got out of bed and explained that neither of her parents were from Mexico. He replied, "well I thought it would piss-off is mom more."

or something to that effect.

It's all very complicated. Ashraf (the cute Palestinian) has a sister who's in college in Jordan, and is coming home to marry Ashraf's friend Jihad. Meanwhile, Ashraf is supposed to be getting engaged to Jihad's cousin, but she, alas, is a girl. So he is hiding out in Tel Aviv, and Noam has offered to let him stay in the apartment, which Yali and Lulu, the roomates, have agreed to, because they don't want to be responsible for the death of the Israeli left, and they feel guilty for not going to Checkpoint Watch with Lulu's mother, so they are relieving their liberal guilt by letting Ashraf hang out in the apartment.

Lulu is involved with some guy named Sharon (the only straight man in Tel Aviv it seems), and Yali is hooking up with some guy named Golan who's trying to get a waitering job at the restaurant Yali runs.

Also, although I have only caught a glimpse of it, and am not sure, the three roommates seem to have a poster of Ronald Reagan in the kitchen.

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:32:15am

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

It's all very complicated. Ashraf (the cute Palestinian) has a sister who's in college in Jordan, and is coming home to marry Ashraf's friend Jihad. Meanwhile, Ashraf is supposed to be getting engaged to Jihad's cousin, but she, alas, is a girl. So he is hiding out in Tel Aviv, and Noam has offered to let him stay in the apartment, which Yali and Lulu, the roomates, have agreed to, because they don't want to be responsible for the death of the Israeli left, and they feel guilty for not going to Checkpoint Watch with Lulu's mother, so they are relieving their liberal guilt by letting Ashraf hang out in the apartment.

Lulu is involved with some guy named Sharon (the only straight man in Tel Aviv it seems), and Yali is hooking up with some guy named Golan who's trying to get a waitering job at the restaurant Yali runs.

Also, although I have only caught a glimpse of it, and am not sure, the three roommates seem to have a poster of Ronald Reagan in the kitchen.

OMG!

89 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:33:50am

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

No. It feels cold enough outside, but nothing coming down.

I was just out on the deck. It's 21 now with 93 percent humidity and it feels cold! Pretty high humidity for Denver. I saw flurries in SF once. Wasn't really your typical flurries and looked more like crystals.

90 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:33:55am

re: #86 Gus 802

Roger. Copy. 10-4.

Did you find your vodka in a box?

91 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:35:22am

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

No kidding... if we can put a fence around it and charge admission, then we'll preserve it... maybe that's not too bad a thing?

Take donations, have silent auctions, build amusement parks and hotel resorts around it.

I'm thinking of Williamsburg, which is full of teachers, historians, actors, archaelogists, historical costume Phd's, blacksmiths and just about every other form of creative people you can find. They'd never get to learn, and preserve the arts and history of the era without the profit factor.

iirc, they've been learning a lot about planting and animal husbandry that could be relevant. Can't remember where I read that . . .

92 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:35:54am

re: #90 Walter L. Newton

Did you find your vodka in a box?

Just a picture. I've actually tried vodka for a while there since it's so much cheaper but it hurts my teeth with the concoctions I mix up. I'm sticking with the cheapo whisky. Used to drink wine but got tired of that. And I was Mr. Box Wine for a while there. Lunacy.

93 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:36:31am

I'm drinking water right now . . .

94 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:37:56am

Oh well... to bed... got three overnight shifts coming up...

95 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:38:52am

yeah me too,

Have to have the little grey cells ready to work on the Temple tomorrow--well supervise my kid working on the Temple of Vesta which takes soooo much more patience than doing it myself.

Have a great morning all!

96 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:41:28am

OK, this is weird. They have this "article" linking to this site.

What's the connection between air headed bar flies and gold diggers and the Global Young Leaders Conference?

97 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:49:58am

Good night.

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:04:04am

re: #21 Dekar

I don't get it, can someone explain to my feeble mind?

Koans are not intended to be explained to the mind, they are supposed to blow it.

99 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:54:22am

I love the Scandinavian composers of the late 19th and early 20th century for their rich orchestration of melodic tunes, and none were better at it than Jean Sibelius:

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 1:56:54am

I knew these guys had an agenda, trust The Onion to get to the bottom of it:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

101 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:02:11am

Well, I was watching a movie here. Some new neighbors were supposed to move and they started today. So, as usual I'm not very optimistic given the track record of today's humans. Right on schedule they're sill up (it's 3:04 AM) and one of the idiots was playing with a soccer ball and I think it hit my wall a few times and was about ready to go there already to knock it off. Then about 5 minutes later, the idiot breaks a window with the soccer ball.

And it's only been less than 24 hours.

102 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:08:32am

re: #101 Gus 802

Sounds typical. I feel for you. Few things are worse than bad neighbors.

103 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:09:22am

Another one by Sibelius, "The Swan of Tuonela":

104 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:10:54am

re: #102 freetoken

Sounds typical. I feel for you. Few things are worse than bad neighbors.

Thanks. I already called the weekend manager. Tomorrow I'm going to tell the regular manager. I won't put up with idiots.

Hard to believe that people can be this stupid. They move in and already they're doing this. I'm pretty sure the stereo hasn't arrived yet. That will be another chapter.

So, instead of putting some temporary cardboard on the now completely broken window (full pane of glass) they new idiot just shut the blinds. I've been watching discretely from my deck.

105 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:36:22am

re: #104 Gus 802


Hard to believe that people can be this stupid.

I can believe it.

In the meantime, imagine yourself far, far away, in a land of exotic smells, sounds, and rhythms...

106 sagehen  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:42:53am

re: #104 Gus 802

Hard to believe that people can be this stupid.

Never forget --- half of everyone is below average intelligence.

107 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:43:35am

re: #105 freetoken

I can believe it.

In the meantime, imagine yourself far, far away, in a land of exotic smells, sounds, and rhythms...

[Video]

I believe it so much that I've never really gotten used to it. The last kids never did anything like this. I had them trained with the music but they never broke a window. Especially on the first day. Like they say, "that's not a good sign." Hey, maybe he learned his lesson and won't do anything dumb like this again. I also have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.

This is the fourth tenant in this unit. Quietest has been these Goths that lived there. Never had anything really drastic happen and most people will turn down their music if you ask them. It's still annoying because as a rule I think I really shouldn't have to ask. The rule is be quiet all the time except when you're having a party. If you have a party inform your neighbors first and then invite them. At the same time try not to party more than once a month.

That's rough though because the average squid thinks you're supposed to party every day. I lived in San Francisco and it was like that too. Far too many drunkards in this country.

108 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:45:22am

re: #106 sagehen

Never forget --- half of everyone is below average intelligence.

Maybe that's what they should require before they let you rent an apartment: an IQ test. Instead it's typically a background check and a credit check. In my experience both of those don't really tell the complete story. You can pass a background check and still be a hoodlum. You can also pass a credit check and still be a loser.

109 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:39:18am

re: #108 Gus 802

hey gus-- sorry to hear about your neighbour woes.

110 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:42:19am

re: #109 iceweasel

hey gus-- sorry to hear about your neighbour woes.

Hi Ice! Story of my life. It's quiet as a mouse now. On a side note I'm actually working on a project now. 3D stuff. I enjoy it. Was just making a fence. Think that's done.

111 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:44:34am

re: #110 Gus 802

Hi Ice! Story of my life. It's quiet as a mouse now. On a side note I'm actually working on a project now. 3D stuff. I enjoy it. Was just making a fence. Think that's done.

Oh fantastic! Glad to hear it and good to see you.

Worst neighbours i ever had weren't even the real owners of the place-- their 'friends'broke in over their vacation and trashed it.

112 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:44:46am

I'm still wondering who raises these kids. It's just pretty weird that there's so many of them.

113 freetoken  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:47:24am
114 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:47:33am

re: #111 iceweasel

Oh fantastic! Glad to hear it and good to see you.

Worst neighbours i ever had weren't even the real owners of the place-- their 'friends'broke in over their vacation and trashed it.

Really? Some guy at the store I go was telling me about some neighbors he had. You know, "The Louds". His landlord was friends with those folks and he wouldn't do anything about it. So, long story short. Someone "walked in" to his apartment and stole a big jar of dollar bills he had worth about 600 bucks. I figure it was an "inside job" and possibly his weirdo neighbors. I didn't say anything. He was in the process of moving.

115 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:50:49am

"The Louds" is a name I got after house sitting in Alamo Square in San Francisco. It was me ex-gf's friend's apartment. So you figure a nice place like that would be nice and tranquil? Nope. The Louds were listening to "Love 'n Rockets" at 11 and fighting and having sex at the same time. You could hear them from 100 yards. Clearly. Weirdos! Damn heterosexuals.

116 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:54:29am

So I add some crazy iron details to this building. Then I figure it will cost about 1000 bucks each. I have 20 of them. That's 20,000 bucks for some design element. Hmmm. That probably won't fly but it looks cool.

117 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 3:56:57am

Sandmonkey finally put his face up!

Image: ME.jpg

I like the guy. Apparently the Egyptian police are back to business as usual.

118 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:07:37am

Doing laundry here. ugh. back later--

119 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:07:46am
120 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:09:14am

re: #118 iceweasel

Doing laundry here. ugh. back later--

Laundry?

I always imagined you as a nudist!
/

121 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:16:48am
122 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:17:38am

James Connolly (Irish: Séamas Ó Conghaile,[1] 5 June 1868 – 12 May 1916) was an Irish socialist leader. He was born in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh, Scotland, to Irish immigrant parents. He left school for working life at the age of 11, but became one of the leading Marxist theorists of his day. Though proud of his Irish background, he also took a role in Scottish and American politics. He was executed by a British firing squad because of his leadership role in the Easter Rising of 1916.

123 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:18:15am

Morning, all.

124 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:18:50am

re: #123 researchok
Good Morning.

125 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:19:57am

What's new in LizardWorld?

126 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:21:47am

I finally caved.

I just posted my first cat story.

127 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:22:24am

re: #122 Gus 802

James Connolly (Irish: Séamas Ó Conghaile,[1] 5 June 1868 – 12 May 1916) was an Irish socialist leader. He was born in the Cowgate area of Edinburgh, Scotland, to Irish immigrant parents. He left school for working life at the age of 11, but became one of the leading Marxist theorists of his day. Though proud of his Irish background, he also took a role in Scottish and American politics. He was executed by a British firing squad because of his leadership role in the Easter Rising of 1916.

Relative of yours?

128 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:22:35am

Morning.

129 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:22:39am

re: #126 researchok
Oh?

130 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:23:26am

re: #127 researchok

Relative of yours?

Nope. But he sounds like a brave man.

131 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:23:30am

re: #129 PhillyPretzel

Oh?

Yup...see the link above.

132 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:24:25am

re: #130 Gus 802

Nope. But he sounds like a brave man.

Yeah, there were some pretty incredible Irish political figures.

Most of which have been lost to history.

133 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:26:58am

re: #132 researchok

Yeah, there were some pretty incredible Irish political figures.

Most of which have been lost to history.

Most of history has been lost to stupidity. There's rarely and inkling of interest.

134 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:27:14am

"An" not "and".

135 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:27:57am

re: #131 researchok
Neat.

136 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:30:32am

re: #121 Gus 802

The Wolfe Tones - James Connolly


[Video]

Good video.

A lot more political innocence back then.

137 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:32:08am

re: #133 Gus 802

Most of history has been lost to stupidity. There's rarely and inkling of interest.

No truer words.

Even being civil is today a political statement of weakness.

That is what bothers me most.

138 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:32:56am

re: #137 researchok

No truer words.

Even being civil is today a political statement of weakness.

That is what bothers me most.

True. But I'm really tempted not to be civil on frequent occasion.

139 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:36:42am

re: #138 Gus 802

True. But I'm really tempted not to be civil on frequent occasion.

Not hard to understand. The environment is toxic.

That said, it depends on who is talking to who.

You and I probably disagree on plenty, but I don't think we've shared a cross wored.

Same with ice, jimmah, and others etc.

Simply disagreeing does not mean the person with whom you disagree has no value or merit.

I submit your worth as a human being is not measured by your politiocs or what you post on LGF.

140 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:36:44am

re: #138 Gus 802

True. But I'm really tempted not to be civil on frequent occasion.

I'm tired of all these motherfucking uncivil people on this motherfucking planet!
///

141 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:37:33am

re: #140 Varek Raith

I'm tired of all these motherfucking uncivil people on this motherfucking planet!
///

Frikken Nazi!
//

142 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:38:10am

re: #139 researchok

PIMF.

Jeez.

143 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:39:20am

re: #138 Gus 802

By the way, you can have your tshirt back.
//

144 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:39:20am

re: #141 researchok

Frikken Nazi!
//

Image: meh.ro820.jpg
/Random

145 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:39:28am
146 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:41:45am

Ok, this is just cute.
And funny.
Image: HOLY-SHIT-IM-ON-A-BRANCH.jpg

147 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:44:18am

re: #145 Gus 802

Slim Whitman " Indian Love Call "


[Video]

I'd like to see a Bollywood version of when Mars Attacks.

With some weed.

148 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:44:47am

re: #147 researchok

I'd like to see a Bollywood version of when Mars Attacks.

With some weed.

Hashish.

149 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:45:24am

re: #146 Varek Raith

Ok, this is just cute.
And funny.
Image: HOLY-SHIT-IM-ON-A-BRANCH.jpg

I'm beginning to wonder what's in your basement.
//

150 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:45:58am

re: #148 Gus 802

Hashish.

You are a very bad person.

OK, I can live with that.

151 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:46:10am

Slim Whitman - Cattle Call

I'm still a hayseed at heart.

152 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:46:57am

re: #149 researchok

I'm beginning to wonder what's in your basement.
//

Image: LOLcat+-+Basement+Cat+Loves+His+Job.jpg

153 simoom  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:47:27am

There's a really odd Speaker Boehner ad underneath the open thread for me. Here, take a look at this screenshot:
Image: ECjF8.jpg

Either his makeup artist, for some reason, stopped halfway up his forehead or, more likely, whoever produced the ad attempted to lighten his skin digitally and is really terrible with Photoshop :P.

155 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:49:10am

re: #151 Gus 802

Slim Whitman - Cattle Call


[Video]

I'm still a hayseed at heart.

OK, here's the real deal. I really love this. Still.

156 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:49:41am

re: #152 Varek Raith

Image: LOLcat+-+Basement+Cat+Loves+His+Job.jpg

I won't sleep for a week.

157 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:53:06am

re: #154 Gus 802

AMERICAN MASTERS | John Muir in the New World - Trailer | PBS


[Video]

OK, I have to see that program.

158 simoom  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 4:56:54am

re: #154 Gus 802

AMERICAN MASTERS | John Muir in the New World - Trailer | PBS

[Video]

Sam and Max Hit The Road - Who's John Muir?

There once was a man named John Muir,
a naturalist noble and pure;
his love for all beasties,
the most and the leasties,
has never been equaled for sure!
159 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:03:14am

re: #158 simoom

I love Sam and Max. Was so much fun reading them as a kid. So subversive.

160 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:06:07am
161 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:13:46am

Mike Huckabee on Muammar Qaddafi:

The clothes of Lady Gaga and the mind of Charlie Sheen

162 simoom  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:16:19am
163 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:18:49am

Back to sleep I go.

164 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:21:24am

re: #162 simoom

The background art was always so rich, too. Not something you get in many comics.

165 simoom  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:28:26am

re: #164 Obdicut

Yeah, I had a compilation book as a kid and it was great looking at all the unrelated things going on in the backgrounds. Some of the larger panels would have so much going on that you wouldn't catch on your first read through.

166 Obdicut  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:48:34am

A good article on the bad reporting about the debacle in Wisconsin:

[Link: www.tax.com...]

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:48:55am

re: #161 researchok

That's freakin' hysterical! And accurate.

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:23:38am

Striker, listen, and you listen close: flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

-Airplane!

169 Meitantei  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:24:49am

re: #161 researchok

Huckabee may follow some real crazy ideas, but he is a witty and charming person, from my perspective.

170 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:37:48am

re: #169 Meitantei

Huckabee may follow some real crazy ideas, but he is a witty and charming person, from my perspective.

Sort of like me
Except for the witty and charming part!

171 Achilles Tang  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:50:20am

Michio Kushi is a fruitcake.

172 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:50:57am

re: #170 sattv4u2

Sort of like me
Except for the witty and charming part!

Hey, Satt!
How's it going?

173 sattv4u2  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 6:59:15am

re: #172 reine.de.tout

Hey, Satt!
How's it going?

Not bad.

Getting ready for the long quiet drive home
And you?

(got your e-mail last night , btw ,, responded and haven't looked at your response yet)

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:15:15am

I think I need to go for a month without drinking.

But, then I'd just go drink to celebrate it.

Just a smidge hung-over this morning.

175 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:31:22am

Damn, it's 17 degrees here this morning. Brrrrr!

176 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:33:09am

re: #161 researchok

Mike Huckabee on Muammar Qaddafi:

Huck can sometimes really come up with a great line. This is one of those times, since it was LOL funny.

177 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:33:46am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Damn, it's 17 degrees here this morning. Brrr!

Seriously?

Wow.
We're going to get up to 80 (or higher today). Was 83 yesterday. Humid. Yucky.

178 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:34:17am

re: #175 Killgore Trout
That is cold. It makes 35 degrees sound and feel downright balmy.

179 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:35:06am

re: #177 reine.de.tout
Gee you are in a tropical climate.

180 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:36:49am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

In Norman, it looks like we have turned into the Pacific Northwest with all the fog.

I found something out about the the impact of the Christchurch Earthquake on New Zealand. Apparently, JPMorgan estimates that damage from it may cost insurers $12 billion. The total GDP of New Zealand is about $115.4 billion. The earthquakes damage could worth as much as 10.4% of New Zealands GDP. That would be the equivalent of a disaster in the US causing $1.48 Trillion in damage

181 reine.de.tout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:37:38am

re: #179 PhillyPretzel

Gee you are in a tropical climate.

It's still February.
I want a bit of cooler weather just a little longer.

Our seasons are: Miserably Hot, with a sprinkling of cool in Dec/Jan/Feb.

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:38:41am

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Seriously?

Wow.
We're going to get up to 80 (or higher today). Was 83 yesterday. Humid. Yucky.

Here in Chicago it's snowing lightly, and I can honestly say I'd rather walk in that than 83 and humid.

183 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:38:58am

re: #181 reine.de.tout
It sounds like the summers here in Philly. The 3 H's. Hazy, hot, and humid.

184 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:47:04am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

Here in Chicago it's snowing lightly, and I can honestly say I'd rather walk in that than 83 and humid.

QFT.

185 Firstinla  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:49:38am

Good morning, lizards. In my part of CA it is still snowing. Three or four inches overnight. We expect snow all day. Fireplace roaring and the smell of sizzling bacon in the air. Sometimes life seems perfect.

186 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:51:18am

re: #185 Firstinla

Good morning, lizards. In my part of CA it is still snowing. Three or four inches overnight. We expect snow all day. Fireplace roaring and the smell of sizzling bacon in the air. Sometimes life seems perfect.

Bacon!

187 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:52:03am

MSNBC has new details on how the Benghazi freed itself from Gaddafi:

Battle of Benghazi: How protesters seized town

By PAUL SCHEMM

BENGHAZI, Libya — The young men of Benghazi pounded the dreaded military barracks in the city center with everything they could find. They threw stones and crude bombs made of tin cans stuffed with gunpowder. They drove bulldozers into its walls. All under a blaze of gunfire from troops inside that literally tore people in half.

More than 100 were killed in three days of fighting. But in the end, the base fell and Moammar Gadhafi's forces fled, executing comrades who refused to shoot.

The assault on the base known as the "Katiba" was the defining battle in the fall of Libya's second largest city to the opposition uprising that has swept away Gadhafi's rule in the eastern half of the country.

Now children clamber over the abandoned tanks inside the base and families drive around inside the sprawling compound, gawking at what for years had been a sort of feared Bastille, where detainees disappeared and where Gadhafi stayed when he was in town.

Unless you are squeamish, read it. It does have a graphic description of what a hit from an RPG-7 round does to a body, so be warned.

188 Firstinla  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 7:58:56am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Makes me ever more grateful for the freedom we have in the US. I would think that after looking at all the crap that has been occuring in the Arab world the last few weeks that our own government might be inspired to get their shit together and sit down and work out the problems. Probably that is not going to happen.

189 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:03:03am

weGrow, 'Wal-Mart Of Weed,' Set To Open In Sacramento

The 10,000-square-foot weGrow outlet, advertised as a one-stop shop for legal growers seeking supplies and training, claims the honor of being the industry's first-ever national franchise. Look for outposts of the self-proclaimed "first honest hydro store," which started as a solo warehouse operation in Oakland last year, to sprout up in Arizona, Colorado, Oregon, and even New Jersey in the coming months.

The Ganja Galleria doesn't sell any actual pot--it just sells supplies, provides classes, and offers an on-site doctor to help customers choose their favorite strain.

190 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:12:00am

re: #188 Firstinla

Makes me ever more grateful for the freedom we have in the US. I would think that after looking at all the crap that has been occuring in the Arab world the last few weeks that our own government might be inspired to get their shit together and sit down and work out the problems. Probably that is not going to happen.

They are working, but the protests in the Arab world really aren't on point here in the US. For all the screaming, Congress is still functional and is working to avoid a shutdown, and any protests, while heated, are non-violent.

191 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:22:27am

Morning all!

How is it so far today?

192 researchok  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:23:35am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

weGrow, 'Wal-Mart Of Weed,' Set To Open In Sacramento

Happy greeters, for sure.

193 Semper Fi  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:25:13am

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think I need to go for a month without drinking.

But, then I'd just go drink to celebrate it.

Just a smidge hung-over this morning.

Good morning all.

I feel for ya FBV. I don't drink much except a little wine and beer. I learned a long time ago I have a very low alcohol tolerance causing me to be very ill for about 3 days whenever I drank too much. Experienced your hung-over feeling many times and it's no fun. Doc's finally informed my of the low tolerance issue. Looking back I suppose my problem is good as I love bourbon way too much. May I suggest drinking lots of water today as I think alcohol dehydrates.

194 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:25:19am
195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:26:05am

re: #193 Semper Fi

Good morning all.

I feel for ya FBV. I don't drink much except a little wine and beer. I learned a long time ago I have a very low alcohol tolerance causing me to be very ill for about 3 days whenever I drank too much. Experienced your hung-over feeling many times and it's no fun. Doc's finally informed my of the low tolerance issue. Looking back I suppose my problem is good as I love bourbon way too much. May I suggest drinking lots of water today as I think alcohol dehydrates.

I agree, FBV, no hair of the dog for you!

196 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:29:32am

re: #194 ggt

Discovery's final launch.

sigh . . .

How's the snow where you are?

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:29:51am

A 'Vacuum' In Libya: An Opening For Al-Qaida?


p "That raw material and historical legacy date to the 1990s. A group known as the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group tried to topple Gadhafi, and even tried to assassinate him 20 years ago. His security forces responded with a crackdown. Some members of the group fled Libya and joined organizations like al-Qaida. When that happened, Gadhafi saw a new threat: Osama bin Laden. He called on Interpol to intervene.

"The first international arrest warrant issued by Interpol against bin Laden was requested not by the United States, not by Kenya, or any of the countries you might think," says Hoffman, "but rather by Libya and Col. Gadhafi because of the threat al-Qaida and its brand of Islamism posed to his secular revolution."

So an alliance was formed. At the end of 2007, al-Qaida made the relationship with the Libyan opposition fighters official, and members of the group who had fled Libya became members of al-Qaida.

And some Libyans became part of bin Laden's inner circle. One of al-Qaida's to propagandists today is a Libyan, Abu Yahya al-Libi.

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:30:12am

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

How's the snow where you are?

nearly non-existent.

199 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:31:37am

re: #197 ggt

A 'Vacuum' In Libya: An Opening For Al-Qaida?

So far, we haven't seen much sign of Radical Islam. But it's there, so we need to be ready. And we need to support non-Islamists within the Libyan opposition.

200 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:32:38am

re: #198 ggt

nearly non-existent.

Up here a bit further north we've had enough for ground cover, but not enough to really be a problem.

201 darthstar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:35:27am

FOKNewsChannel.com...(Friends of Keith) Now the question is...will Murdoch ignore what is still a small website? Or will he elevate it by going after Keith on copyright infringement?

202 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:35:36am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

I just do not think these brave folks are going to want to trade one crazy tyrant for a theocratic tyrant. I could be wrong but I just do have some optimism this time.

203 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:35:57am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

So far, we haven't seen much sign of Radical Islam. But it's there, so we need to be ready. And we need to support non-Islamists within the Libyan opposition.

Libya doesn't seem as co-hesive as Egypt. Meaning, no elites ready to take over or parlament to step-in for a smooth transition. Also, with so may citizens leaving the country, who will be left?

205 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:41:51am
206 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:43:18am

re: #202 Rightwingconspirator

I just do not think these brave folks are going to want to trade one crazy tyrant for a theocratic tyrant. I could be wrong but I just do have some optimism this time.

I do too. It's not pessimistic to look at the risks and problems of Libya, as long as you don't focus on the bad to the exclusion of the good, as Glenn Beck does. Being conscious of dangers and pitfalls is simple prudence. You can't count on the goods guys winning, you need to figure out what actions you can take to help them win and support them after they do so.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:44:20am

Ken has a twitter account and a reality show too!

We are living in the Twilight Zone.

208 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:45:25am

re: #205 ggt

OMG!

Ken has his own facebook page!

Ken... Pfft... Something about Ken, we had to have a Ken doll, but we never played with him. We'd just dress him in his little sports wear and put him in his little doll bed and that was about it. Barbie, Francie, Midge and Skipper were far more interesting.

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:45:49am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

I do too. It's not pessimistic to look at the risks and problems of Libya, as long as you don't focus on the bad to the exclusion of the good, as Glenn Beck does. Being conscious of dangers and pitfalls is simple prudence. You can't count on the goods guys winning, you need to figure out what actions you can take to help them win and support them after they do so.

I'm not being pessimistic. I still learning about Libya. It is different from the situation in Egypt.

210 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:46:36am

re: #208 marjoriemoon

Ken... Pfft... Something about Ken, we had to have a Ken doll, but we never played with him. We'd just dress him in his little sports wear and put him in his little doll bed and that was about it. Barbie, Francie, Midge and Skipper were far more interesting.

I agree, he was just arm candy.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:48:17am

re: #209 ggt

I'm not being pessimistic. I still learning about Libya. It is different from the situation in Egypt.

I know, I was just saying.

BBL

212 darthstar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:51:42am

re: #208 marjoriemoon

My dog wouldn't play with Ken if you wrapped him in bacon.

213 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:53:45am

re: #212 darthstar

My dog wouldn't play with Ken if you wrapped him in bacon.

Why do you have a Ken doll???
/

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:54:23am

I don't know a thing about these gadgets.

Cigarettes, Even Smokeless Ones, Still Outlawed On U.S. Planes

"The e-cigarette option may also never appeal to some die-hard smokers. As Bloomberg noted last year, at least two people are found smoking old-fashioned cigarettes on airplanes every week, according to the Federal Aviation Administration.


That is unbelievable to me. I still smoke and never even day-dreamed about smoking in the bathroom of an airplane. I guess I've just been conditioned.

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:55:35am

re: #213 Varek Raith

Why do you have a Ken doll???
/

There has to be a joke about the Undead and Ken, but I can't seem to find it.

216 darthstar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:56:51am

re: #213 Varek Raith

Why do you have a Ken doll???
/

I don't have a Ken doll! Dolls are for girls. I have a Ken ACTION FIGURE...

217 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:58:20am

re: #216 darthstar
What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?

218 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:58:28am

re: #216 darthstar

I don't have a Ken doll! Dolls are for girls. I have a Ken ACTION FIGURE...

rofl! Poor Ken. He wasn't much of a man, really.

219 darthstar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 8:59:10am

re: #217 PhillyPretzel

What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?

Just her friends...they're friendly. Barbie just wants to show off her bling.

220 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:00:10am

re: #217 PhillyPretzel

What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?

Image: tumblr_ld2dmyqUjB1qb3mmfo1_500.jpg

221 darthstar  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:00:45am

re: #220 Varek Raith

Image: tumblr_ld2dmyqUjB1qb3mmfo1_500.jpg

Well, aren't you the collector?

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:00:50am

re: #217 PhillyPretzel

What does it do? Pick up Barbie and her friends?

Ken carries the tennis rackets and bags from the car to the court and then back to the car after the match. He drives the pink cadillac convertible to and from the courts.

He walks the dog and carries in the groceries. He empties the trash AND replaces the liner.

He takes Barbie on a dates to expensive restaurants and shows where she can show-off her clothes and new hair style. Then leaves her at her front door with a kiss on the cheek.

223 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:01:59am

re: #222 ggt
Okay.

224 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:02:47am

re: #221 darthstar

Well, aren't you the collector?

PEWPEWPEW
Image: cobra-commander-joe.jpg

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:03:06am

re: #223 PhillyPretzel

Okay.

Then he finds his friends and goes-out to the gay bars and get's drunk.

226 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:03:29am

re: #224 Varek Raith

PEWPEWPEW
Image: cobra-commander-joe.jpg

linky no worky

227 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:04:13am

re: #226 ggt

linky no worky

Crap.
It did this yesterday. Works fine for me, but not others.
I blame Walter.
:/

228 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:04:49am

re: #222 ggt

Ken carries the tennis rackets and bags from the car to the court and then back to the car after the match. He drives the pink cadillac convertible to and from the courts.

He walks the dog and carries in the groceries. He empties the trash AND replaces the liner.

He takes Barbie on a dates to expensive restaurants and shows where she can show-off her clothes and new hair style. Then leaves her at her front door with a kiss on the cheek.

Exactly! Of course, there's White Trash Barbie from the other side of the tracks.
Image: BarbieWhiteTrash.jpg

229 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:05:19am

re: #227 Varek Raith

Crap.
It did this yesterday. Works fine for me, but not others.
I blame Walter.
:/

FU.

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:05:28am

re: #228 marjoriemoon

Exactly! Of course, there's White Trash Barbie from the other side of the tracks.
Image: BarbieWhiteTrash.jpg

ROTFLAMO

231 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:05:59am

re: #225 ggt
That is what happens when a guy does all of that stuff. :::sigh::
There is no such thing as a perfect man.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:06:42am

The Real Barbie --hasn't been to the salon in a while.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:07:37am

re: #231 PhillyPretzel

That is what happens when a guy does all of that stuff. :::sigh::
There is no such thing as a perfect man.

There are those that believe there was one --about 2000 years ago.

Other than that, I'm of the understanding that all humans are flawed. Especially men.

:0

234 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:09:05am

re: #229 Walter L. Newton

FU.

HOLY CRAP!
SORCERER!!!
:)
How ya doing?

235 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:15:32am

re: #234 Varek Raith

HOLY CRAP!
SORCERER!!!
:)
How ya doing?

OK... you know... I started this part time job at Krogers in March of 2010, I took it because, like a lot of people, I needed something. I said "it's not a career, just something to do until the IT market picks back up." Well, it's now been almost a year... when do I start being honest with myself and realize that for now, it's a career?

236 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:17:51am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

OK... you know... I started this part time job at Krogers in March of 2010, I took it because, like a lot of people, I needed something. I said "it's not a career, just something to do until the IT market picks back up." Well, it's now been almost a year... when do I start being honest with myself and realize that for now, it's a career?

It's a Brave New World. Kudo's to you for staying in the game!

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:18:26am

gotta go folks,

have a great day!

238 What, me worry?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:22:13am

re: #235 Walter L. Newton

OK... you know... I started this part time job at Krogers in March of 2010, I took it because, like a lot of people, I needed something. I said "it's not a career, just something to do until the IT market picks back up." Well, it's now been almost a year... when do I start being honest with myself and realize that for now, it's a career?

hehe The question is, what's the diff between a career and a job?

239 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:30:08am

re: #238 marjoriemoon

hehe The question is, what's the diff between a career and a job?

Well, considering this is part time, and at about 10 dollars an hour, I'd call it a job. Seven years ago, when I was still in IT, making 45 dollars an hour, that was a career.

240 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:31:42am

re: #238 marjoriemoon

hehe The question is, what's the diff between a career and a job?

Addendum: And considering I'm 58 and have NO INTEREST in advancing into a management position, or any position other than my current duties as a cashier, then I guess it's certainly just a job.

241 RadicalModerate  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:38:32am

After the utterly repulsive and race-baiting billboard that was taken down (as documented here) I was hoping that that ugly tactic of the anti-abortionists would have served as an indicator that argument wasn't the most wise one to make.

Along comes Rush Limbaugh, who apparently hadn't blown his dogwhistle enough this week, with all the tirades he had regarding First Lady Michelle Obama's recipes. He decided to bring the shovel, and the whistle with him to yesterday's radio program with this gem (audio included in link):

Rush Limbaugh: “Planned Parenthood, Doing The Job The Klan Could Never Finish”

“You want to to really stir things up, talk about who owns Planned Parenthood and where are these clinics being put? They’re being put in black neighborhoods. Who’s making money? Who’s profitting? Liberals! Leftists, obviously! Pro-abortion types. And who’s defending them? Someone tries to put a billboard up defending them, they get run out of town by Al Sharpton and the rest. My God, folks, this is, this is…well, this is intolerable…Well, I don’t know if we should go that far. Planned Parenthood, doing the job the Klan could never finish? Is that what you’re thinking?”

And Rush is chuckling right as he's speaking the last sentences. Creating an equivalence between Planned Parenthood and the KKK is FUNNY to him.

242 Ericus58  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:43:09am

Man blows himself up with grenade outside Moscow store

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"The man drove to the shop in north-east Moscow, got out of his car and mumbled unintelligibly before pulling the pin out of the grenade, witnesses said."

Gosh, at least he only did himself in.
Maybe that paper/plastic choice was too much...

243 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:45:57am

re: #241 RadicalModerate

Utterly moronic. Yes, 'the Left' is 'doing the job the KKK could never do.' Makes sense to destroy a consistent voting block since Rush likes to harp on the fact that Dems receive 90% support from the black community. Yes, 'the Left is destroying their own voting block.'

Jeebus, what a moron.

244 Achilles Tang  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:53:02am

re: #243 BigPapa


Jeebus, what a moron.

Correction, his listeners are.

245 lostlakehiker  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:53:24am

re: #7 elizajane

Small rant of the day:

What is this middle class race to the bottom? Why, when confronted with the benefits enjoyed by at least some government workers, do private sector workers not say, "Hey! My employer, whose stock has doubled in value in the past 2 years, should be giving me those kind of benefits too!" Why do they say instead "Hey, my salary hasn't gone up in five years and I have crappy health insurance and a minimal retirement plan. Everybody else should have it just as bad as I do!"
How exactly have the Republicans managed to convince the middle class that they should grab those just above them as they and their mortgages sink under water? That instead of trying to improve their own lot, they should fight to worsen the lots of others?

It really, really bothers me.


It should bother you when some people seek to hurt the general welfare rather than raise it, or at a minimum, raise their own. But what you're missing is that the private sector is different from the public sector.

The private sector isn't in a position to grant increases in pay and benefits except when it's making money. The more value a private sector company produces, the more is available for distribution to stockholders, management, workers, and the general public. [The general public gets a share of the benefits of this economic activity, because any voluntary exchange benefits both parties.] Unions, in the private sector, are part of the equation determining how these benefits are shared out. But unions, as well as corporations, are constrained by the fact that prices have to cover costs, and if costs rise too far, the price that the market will offer won't be enough to do that. The company will fail. Nobody wants that, not management, not workers, not unions, and not the public. So mostly that sort of overreach is avoided.

When a public sector union negotiates for a pay or benefit raise, the equation is different. Those on the other side of the table are not similarly constrained. In fact, it is in their own interests to agree to the demands. Grateful union management will contribute cash and man-hours to their next campaign. Management doesn't have to face angry stockholders or customers...there aren't any.

So, granting benefits to public sector unions carries no cost. It's a win-win equation. There's no reason benefits and pay should not be raised. Higher, and higher, and then yet higher. What sort of grouch would get in the way of that?

You see the snag, right? In the real world, while fiat money is potentially infinite, apples and oranges must come from orchards. Every economic good is in limited supply. At some point, yet more for some is, inexorably, less for others. Somehow, somewhere, somebody makes do with less, when somebody else gets too much. The only way out of this is if the somebody who gets more is doing great work, and merits that pay. The supply and quality of human labor is contingent, more so than the supply of the other economic inputs.

Unionized ublic workers' pay, in the minds of those who object to yet higher pay and benefits for public sector unions, has already got as high as it can go and be in any sort of objective relation to the quality of the work done. That is to say, workers in the private sector are underpaid relative to their unionized public sector counterparts. (Turn it around---public sector unionized workers are overpaid.) This is mostly due to a disparity in "benefits", rather than in overt wages. In Wisconsin, for instance, the state picks up almost all medical and pension expenses. Private sector workers can mostly only dream of such a deal.

The fact that there are other hogs at the trough, others who provide value not commensurate with their reward, does not make this particular pig-out any better. Management that scores huge bonuses even as it's crashing the company is another case of rewards that are out of line with reality.

246 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:55:19am

re: #241 RadicalModerate

After the utterly repulsive and race-baiting billboard that was taken down (as documented here) I was hoping that that ugly tactic of the anti-abortionists would have served as an indicator that argument wasn't the most wise one to make.

Along comes Rush Limbaugh, who apparently hadn't blown his dogwhistle enough this week, with all the tirades he had regarding First Lady Michelle Obama's recipes. He decided to bring the shovel, and the whistle with him to yesterday's radio program with this gem (audio included in link):

Rush Limbaugh: “Planned Parenthood, Doing The Job The Klan Could Never Finish”

And Rush is chuckling right as he's speaking the last sentences. Creating an equivalence between Planned Parenthood and the KKK is FUNNY to him.

What a hateful prick he is. Really, I feel bad for him having all that hatred for liberals.

247 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:58:24am

re: #244 Naso Tang

Correction, his listeners are.

Yes, no disagreement there. But he clearly Got Derp right there.

248 RadicalModerate  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 9:59:10am

re: #243 BigPapa

Of course, the entire idea of Rush standing up for minorities is absolutely ludicrous, as evidenced by more than a few instances of his defending groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens (formerly known as the White Citizens Council) and the League of the South - both of which have historical ties to... The Ku Klux Klan.

249 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:18:20am

The Republicans shrugged off an analysis by a Goldman Sachs economist that the $61 billion in cuts, if enacted, could slow economic growth this year by up to two percentage points.

well who cares what well known socialists like goldman sachs say, anyway?

250 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:23:23am

re: #245 lostlakehiker

That sounds like a rationale I heard yesterday from a talking head: why do we need health inspectors?

'The companies selling food have a vested interest in not poisoning people with contaminated food, they'd be toast.'

The error is assuming a real dynamic is a hard rule. In my early 20's I made this idealistic mistake frequently. You would think that the rationale quoted above would ensure that nobody ever got poisoned because the company would go out of business (ensue Darwinism theory for business, though most hard/fast capitalists are creationsts.... damn, we'll pick that up some other time). They'd never want to go out of business right? Therefore, they'll never poison anybody! Easy.

The problem is reality sets in, other powerful influences also take part in the equation. Not to mention history: Jack in The Box didn't go under when people died from infected beef, nor do I recall how many companies go out of business after poisonings/fines. In fact, it's probably a cost of doing business. Plus, if there is an infraction.... 'we can't close this beef plant, all these people will lost their jobs. What about the jobs?'

So back to the public vs private issue so my previous is not a strawman: there are differences but that doesn't mean that the rationale for looking at them differently is correct. Unions can be corrupt and tainted by cronyism... but so can private unions (car manufacturers). Just because the potential for corruption may be higher at the public trough (as you outlined) does not mean it actually happens to the degree you imply it will.

As of right now public unions are being asked to share the burdens of tough times... so your case as presented doesn't hold true.

251 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:27:37am

Meanwhile Pam Geller quotes VDARE columnist Steve Sailer to attack SPLC.

252 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:30:01am

Hey Hoops, don't hate me... but you're gonna hate me.

I'm drinking a fresh pressed cup of Kona that a client grew and roasted himself. I think Kona is best in a press as opposed to drip.

253 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:32:03am

re: #251 Sergey Romanov

Meanwhile Pam Geller quotes VDARE columnist Steve Sailer to attack SPLC.

Did she?
Their press release included a quote from a homophobic Christian supremacist: Hate Group Denies Bigotry by Quoting Homophobe

254 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:33:34am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Did she?
Their press release included a quote from a homophobic Christian supremacist: Hate Group Denies Bigotry by Quoting Homophobe

Yep, "Over at Steve Sailer's blog:".

255 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:33:49am

re: #252 BigPapa

Hey Hoops, don't hate me... but you're gonna hate me.

I'm drinking a fresh pressed cup of Kona that a client grew and roasted himself. I think Kona is best in a press as opposed to drip.

I talked my company into supplying our office with Kona coffee in addition to the normal brands...I drink kona every day at work...It's Flavia brand but it's Kona!
I am so jealous of you!

256 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:33:53am

The critique is funny: Dees is rich, so there.

257 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:35:01am

re: #251 Sergey Romanov

Meanwhile Pam Geller quotes VDARE columnist Steve Sailer to attack SPLC.

Steve Sailer Sucks.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:35:58am

re: #241 RadicalModerate

After the utterly repulsive and race-baiting billboard that was taken down (as documented here) I was hoping that that ugly tactic of the anti-abortionists would have served as an indicator that argument wasn't the most wise one to make.

Along comes Rush Limbaugh, who apparently hadn't blown his dogwhistle enough this week, with all the tirades he had regarding First Lady Michelle Obama's recipes. He decided to bring the shovel, and the whistle with him to yesterday's radio program with this gem (audio included in link):

Rush Limbaugh: “Planned Parenthood, Doing The Job The Klan Could Never Finish”

And Rush is chuckling right as he's speaking the last sentences. Creating an equivalence between Planned Parenthood and the KKK is FUNNY to him.

And Rush Limbaugh grabs the baton of the RRW's ongoing attempt to link women's health and available abortion with genocide. Not that they were planning to do shit for black women or children, mind you.

259 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:37:26am

re: #252 BigPapa

Hey Hoops, don't hate me... but you're gonna hate me.

I'm drinking a fresh pressed cup of Kona that a client grew and roasted himself. I think Kona is best in a press as opposed to drip.

I think I hate you too, and I don't even drink coffee.

260 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:38:11am

Breitbart is still oinking about Pigford... that dead pygmy horse is starting to rot Andrew.

261 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:38:11am

re: #254 Sergey Romanov

Yep, "Over at Steve Sailer's blog:".

Ha! I see it now. What an idiot!

262 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:39:38am

re: #256 Sergey Romanov

The critique is funny: Dees is rich, so there.

I really don't get it. Are they (Pam and friends) Commies or what? Desperate.

263 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:39:41am

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Did she?
Their press release included a quote from a homophobic Christian supremacist: Hate Group Denies Bigotry by Quoting Homophobe

Weird thing for me is their claim that SPLC is radical left. If you read SPLC's wesbite or their magazine, the Intelligence Report, you'll see that they condemn left wing extremism too. Shit they were criticizing the new black panthers when Glenn Beck thought new black panther was a new animal.

264 HappyWarrior  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:41:16am

I also noticed that the group did little to refute the bigot label. They only attack the SPLC's credibility and cite the Washington Times no less haha.

265 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:42:16am

Morris Dees is rich. Therefore hate is good. Duh!

266 Ericus58  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:43:27am

Breaking News - BBC is reporting that UK aircraft made a daring rescue of Britons stranded and in poor straights out in remote desert locations.
Details to follow.

267 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:44:35am

Morris Dees has an objet d'art in his house. Therefore SPLC lies about Pam Geller. How about dat?

268 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:45:34am

re: #245 lostlakehiker


public sector unionized workers are overpaid

this is merely your opinion, and i disagree

and your whole argument is based on this opinion

and i don't accept that it is possible for you to "prove" your assertion by making comparisons to other groups of workers

269 Ericus58  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:46:35am

RAF Hercules planes rescue 150 from Libya desert

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"Two RAF Hercules have rescued about 150 workers from the Libyan desert, Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said.

The planes, carrying Britons and other foreign nationals, have reached Malta.
......................
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the "extremely complex" operation took days to plan.

It involved the use of SAS and SBS special forces and planners had to ascertain whether Libya's air defences were operation, Mr Gardner said.

He said: "It was not just oil workers in one camp. They had to deal with several different locations and a number of heavily armed people.""

270 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:47:40am

re: #257 wrenchwench

Steve Sailer Sucks.

Unfortunately there are some good names listed in there. E.g. both Paul Gross and Frank Miele are good guys, but with that "contrarian" streak that makes them appear in bad company. :(

271 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:48:29am

re: #270 Sergey Romanov

Unfortunately there are some good names listed in there. E.g. both Paul Gross and Frank Miele are good guys, but with that "contrarian" streak that makes them appear in bad company. :(

Dennett too.

272 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:48:59am

re: #268 engineer dog

The new meme is 'public sector unions diff than private sector: public unions bad. See, we're only going after those public sector unions.'

But the meme is based on faulty logic that is hiding the real agenda: destroying the Democratic power base. If the GOP succeeds as public unions then private ones are next, but the meme will change to 'public and private are not much different.'

They're doing it because they think they can get away with it. Truly shameful.

273 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:49:20am

re: #271 Sergey Romanov

Dennett too.

Even Krugman is there.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:49:37am

re: #265 Sergey Romanov

Morris Dees is rich. Therefore hate is good. Duh!

Morris Dees' organization actually destroyed the viability of an actual terrorist organization that was actually oppressing and killing Americans. By all means, Pam, who has made a little career for herself ranting about bogeymen under the bed should denigrate him for having money.

//Is not a civil rights attorney entitled to the sweat of his brow, Pam?

275 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:50:44am

re: #273 Sergey Romanov

Steven Pinker is a good guy too. So no, that anti-Sailer posting paints with too broad a brush to be credible.

276 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:50:59am

re: #273 Sergey Romanov

I updated my page with the steve sailer link. Thanks.

277 albusteve  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:51:12am

re: #269 Ericus58

RAF Hercules planes rescue 150 from Libya desert

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"Two RAF Hercules have rescued about 150 workers from the Libyan desert, Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said.

The planes, carrying Britons and other foreign nationals, have reached Malta.
...
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the "extremely complex" operation took days to plan.

It involved the use of SAS and SBS special forces and planners had to ascertain whether Libya's air defences were operation, Mr Gardner said.

He said: "It was not just oil workers in one camp. They had to deal with several different locations and a number of heavily armed people.""

good for them...take the offensive if necessary

278 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:52:44am

re: #270 Sergey Romanov

Unfortunately there are some good names listed in there. E.g. both Paul Gross and Frank Miele are good guys, but with that "contrarian" streak that makes them appear in bad company. :(

re: #275 Sergey Romanov

Steven Pinker is a good guy too. So no, that anti-Sailer posting paints with too broad a brush to be credible.

Thanks. They certainly cast a wide net, and I don't know enough to critique it. Surprised to see Pinker, though.

279 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:53:58am

re: #272 BigPapa

there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:55:17am

re: #278 wrenchwench

First of all, Sailer's extremism was sort of an evolution, kind of like Joe Sobran's. So I guess there was a time when he was "respectable". Second, from this list I just wouldn't presume that people in HBD list share the assumptions of its founder. I mean, Paul Krugman? Nah. So it's probably just a place of debate.

281 albusteve  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:55:56am

re: #279 engineer dog

there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other

conspiracy!

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:55:58am

re: #279 engineer dog

there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other


And then there came the boycotts and then the freedom rides,
And forgetting what you stood for, you tried to block the tide,
Oh, the automation bosses werre laughin' on the side,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain, on the chain,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain.

283 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:57:03am

re: #279 engineer dog

there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other

Of course. See the quote I use in my profile. Best description of GOP/right-wing strategy I've ever seen.

284 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:57:52am

re: #269 Ericus58

RAF Hercules planes rescue 150 from Libya desert

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"Two RAF Hercules have rescued about 150 workers from the Libyan desert, Defence Secretary Liam Fox has said.

The planes, carrying Britons and other foreign nationals, have reached Malta.
...
BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner said the "extremely complex" operation took days to plan.

It involved the use of SAS and SBS special forces and planners had to ascertain whether Libya's air defences were operation, Mr Gardner said.

He said: "It was not just oil workers in one camp. They had to deal with several different locations and a number of heavily armed people.""

I would have been *very* surprised if the SAS hadn't been involved in a big way. It was always going to happen - the only question was when. It would have been a very delicate operation to get two hercs in without the Libyans taking action - easily a couple of days of planning (atleast).

286 Digital Display  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:58:13am

re: #282 SanFranciscoZionist

And then there came the boycotts and then the freedom rides,
And forgetting what you stood for, you tried to block the tide,
Oh, the automation bosses werre laughin' on the side,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain, on the chain,
As they watched you lose your link on the chain.

You are indeed the lizard whisperer

287 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 10:59:40am

re: #279 engineer dog

there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other

Ah yes, class warfare, a favorite subject the right loves to hammer the left on. Do I sense a faint nuance of MEGA MONSTER FUCKING HYPOCRISY on this from the right? Just a tad?

288 albusteve  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:01:11am

(NEW YORK) -- It took the Los Angeles school district five years at a cost of $3.5 million to fire six teachers for poor performance, An investigation by a L.A. area weekly newspaper found.

The story is similar in New York City where hundreds of teachers considered too inept to teach are kept out of classrooms, but continue to collect full salaries and benefits.

[Link: wlsam.com...]

some perspective

289 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:01:51am

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

Somewhat disgusting but funny response to the proposed bill in Georgia that calls for police investigation into miscarriages.

She's wrong, life doesn't begin at conception, it began billions of years ago and never ended. Sperm and eggs are undoubtedly life, and human life (after all, it's not a dog life or honey badger life).

290 albusteve  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:02:20am

re: #284 wozzablog

I would have been *very* surprised if the SAS hadn't been involved in a big way. It was always going to happen - the only question was when. It would have been a very delicate operation to get two hercs in without the Libyans taking action - easily a couple of days of planning (atleast).

Britain paid Libyan officials 'bribes' to allow rescue flights to land at Tripoli airport

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

291 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:03:29am

re: #279 engineer dog

there's also a lot of class warfare going on here attempting to set different parts of the working population against each other

The "boss" class has always done it.

They prevented the workers uniting during Reconstruction. One of the main reasons for the failure of Socialism to actually take hold in America was the inabillity of the underclass of both races to see their economic situation was the same. Dirt poor and no education.

It suited the Bosses to keep the races apart and afraid.

292 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:03:43am

re: #281 albusteve

conspiracy!

i'm shocked - shocked! - that you would suggest that powerful private interests would conspire to influence public policy!

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:03:49am

re: #289 Sergey Romanov

And you know what this inevitably means.

294 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:04:27am

re: #290 albusteve

Britain paid Libyan officials 'bribes' to allow rescue flights to land at Tripoli airport

Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Everybody bribes everybody over there.

BAE systems has been doing it on behalf of the UK govt for years across the region.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:05:11am

re: #289 Sergey Romanov

She's wrong, life doesn't begin at conception, it began billions of years ago and never ended. Sperm and eggs are undoubtedly life, and human life (after all, it's not a dog life or honey badger life).

"It's a Honey Badger Life" sounds like the title of something.

296 Ericus58  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:05:32am

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

Somewhat disgusting but funny response to the proposed bill in Georgia that calls for police investigation into miscarriages.

Damn, if that idiot and those like him don't get me angry....
Represent this, MoFo!

297 Stanghazi  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:05:33am

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

Somewhat disgusting but funny response to the proposed bill in Georgia that calls for police investigation into miscarriages.

As I’m sure you know, more than 50% of fertilized eggs –Georgia citizens! — naturally don’t implant, and are flushed out of the body during menstruation. I am personally concerned that my own murdering woman-body may have flushed out some human beings, and I may have flushed them down the toilet without knowing that I was disposing of Georgia citizens in such an undignified way.

Oh this is good.

298 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:08:12am

re: #297 Stanley Sea

HA! I was just going to paste the exact same quote. GMTA :)

299 albusteve  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:18:32am

A report this week that the North Korean regime is on high alert is a reminder that the ongoing unrest in the Arab world kicked off by Tunisia’s Jasmine Revolution has implications that stretch far beyond the Middle East.

are the Norks ready to rise up?...they are starving again and begging for food via their embassies

[Link: the-diplomat.com...]

and what about Cuba...could it happen there?

300 treasured people  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:20:37am
301 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:20:43am

re: #285 SanFranciscoZionist

Somewhat disgusting but funny response to the proposed bill in Georgia that calls for police investigation into miscarriages.

And the one linked to there is also good.

Another thing. If “’prenatal murder’ means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus,” does this mean that I have to leave my tampons in my vagina until they fall out of their own accord? In 1999 I forgot about one up there after a wild weekend, got toxic shock and had to go to the ER at Bellevue where a doctor removed it – do you need to shoot him? (At least I’m off the hook for that one, right?) I don’t remember his name, but he was blond and looked like a stoner Jeff Daniels. Maybe a posse should track him down?

The paragraph after that is even better.

302 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:21:53am

re: #299 albusteve

A report this week that the North Korean regime is on high alert is a reminder that the ongoing unrest in the Arab world kicked off by Tunisia’s Jasmine Revolution has implications that stretch far beyond the Middle East.

are the Norks ready to rise up?...they are starving again and begging for food via their embassies

[Link: the-diplomat.com...]

and what about Cuba...could it happen there?

I don't think there's much danger of an uprising in North Korea. These uprisings have been fueled in part by open communication from the internet, cellphones, twitter, etc and the free access to information. Korea is still in the dark and any attempt at an uprising would be instantly crushed.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:26:27am

re: #301 wrenchwench

And the one linked to there is also good.

The paragraph after that is even better.

Oy gottenyu.

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:27:16am

My Israeli movie is getting all dark and sad, and Ashraf's crazy brother-in-law caught him kissing the cute Israeli guy.

:(

305 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:29:54am

re: #302 Killgore Trout

I don't think there's much danger of an uprising in North Korea. These uprisings have been fueled in part by open communication from the internet, cellphones, twitter, etc and the free access to information. Korea is still in the dark and any attempt at an uprising would be instantly crushed.

Could it happen here?

306 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:30:49am

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Oy gottenyu.

Help me, OB-GYN Kenobi – I mean, Representative Franklin. You’re my only hope.

Classic.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:32:01am

re: #305 Walter L. Newton

Could it happen here?

Could we force Gaddafi to leave the United States? Sure, I think we've done it a couple of times, not that he was trying too hard to stay.

308 Bear  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:36:49am

Not having access to TV, I wonder if there was any snow in the SF area down to sea level. Anyone know?

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:41:01am

re: #308 Bear

Not having access to TV, I wonder if there was any snow in the SF area down to sea level. Anyone know?

So far I have not seen any, and I'm in the East Bay, at sea level. It was cold as hell last night--still is--but clear.

However, flurries were reported in the early morning hours, and apparently enough came down to actually stick in some places.

310 Bear  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:42:36am

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

TNX.

311 treasured people  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:43:51am

Here, in Israel, all is calm. Why does the world lack the will to depose brutal tyrants such as Gaddafi and Kim Jong Il? How about organizing an international force to get rid of them? The only country the world can agree on is Israel, and not for the right reasons. And only Israel can lead the world back to sanity. The day is not long off, perhaps, when there will be protests everywhere, except in the Land of Israel.

312 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:45:14am

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

Morris Dees' organization actually destroyed the viability of an actual terrorist organization that was actually oppressing and killing Americans. By all means, Pam, who has made a little career for herself ranting about bogeymen under the bed should denigrate him for having money.

//Is not a civil rights attorney entitled to the sweat of his brow, Pam?

Morris Dees was a freat deal richer before he started SPLC. He ran a major publishing enterprise and a successful law firm with Millard Fuller. Both their families had a religious revival and turned away from the cash.

313 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 11:45:27am

re: #311 treasured people

The day is not long off, perhaps, when there will be protests everywhere, except in the Land of Israel.

How so?

314 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:07:46pm

re: #271 Sergey Romanov

re: #276 Killgore Trout

I updated my page with the steve sailer link. Thanks.

Dennett too.

Take that list with a gain of salt. Sailer could have invited anyone and that doesn't mean those that were invited agree with Sailer. The list is also from 1999. I was able to locate a couple clarifications from a two people on that list:

From: Marek Kohn
To: Lynn Conway
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: HBDG

Dear Lynn,

As you have published a membership list for the Human Biodiversity discussion group which includes my name, I'm writing to make clear that I reject the racial theories propounded by Steve Sailer and his colleagues.

I'm also fundamentally opposed to the political ideologies which appear to prevail in those circles; my own politics are of the democratic left.

My involvement in these matters arises from my book The Race Gallery: The Return of Racial Science. The site I created to accompany the book can be found via my homepage.

Its introductory page carries the slogan "for free speech : against racism". I believe that in the area of race and science, the second half requires the first: free speech is vital if racism is to be effectively opposed.

Yours,

Marek Kohn

and

Dear Andrea,

With reference to your web page

[Link: www.tsroadmap.com...]

Please note that I am not connected with Steve Salier or his "Human Biodiversity Institute" and that I have not written about or expressed any public opinion at all about transsexualism. I did belong to Sailer's list for a while, but left after he continually blocked my postings, presumably because he didn't approve of the content.

Best wishes
Ian Pitchford

Dr. Ian Pitchford
Editor, The Human Nature Review

315 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:09:46pm

re: #314 Gus 802

See #280.

316 Gus  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:14:42pm

re: #315 Sergey Romanov

See #280.

Cool. Yeah. When I first looked at that list I thought that most of those people are the complete opposite of Sailer.

Geller quoting Sailer to defend herself is classic.

317 austin_blue  Sat, Feb 26, 2011 12:35:15pm

re: #289 Sergey Romanov

She's wrong, life doesn't begin at conception, it began billions of years ago and never ended. Sperm and eggs are undoubtedly life, and human life (after all, it's not a dog life or honey badger life).

A zygote is just a gamete's way of creating more gametes. This is the purpose of the universe.


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