Andy McKee: Hunter's Moon

Andy McKee: Hunter’s Moon

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Our musical interlude for the evening: acoustic guitarist Andy McKee with “Hunter’s Moon” from his most recent recording, Joyland.

(The audio track for this video is a little low; adjust your volume accordingly.)

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97 comments

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:39:48pm

Damn, I wish I could play guitar.

Kronocide Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:40:58pm

There’s so many new ways to play that old guitar. Mind blowing.

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:42:05pm

re: #2 BigPapa

There’s so many new ways to play that old guitar. Mind blowing.

I’m working on a way to play guitar with my eyes.

Kronocide Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:47:28pm

I noticed the frets and bridge are biased… Charles?

I’m an old strummer but don’t understand or recall that design.

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:51:07pm

re: #4 BigPapa

I noticed the frets and bridge are biased… Charles?

I’m an old strummer but don’t understand or recall that design.

An attempt to make the neck more hand/wrist friendly and retain correct intonation.

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:52:37pm

Wow. That’s mastery of the overtone, innit?

Brilliant stuff.

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 5:53:46pm

re: #4 BigPapa

I noticed the frets and bridge are biased… Charles?

I’m an old strummer but don’t understand or recall that design.

There is also one with a twisted neck.

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:02:22pm

Heh, a wild troll has appeared on the AGW thread.

Charles Johnson Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:05:39pm

re: #8 Varek Raith

Heh, a wild troll has appeared on the AGW thread.

Yeah, that one again. I’m giving it about a dozen more comments before the full-on meltdown.

Kronocide Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:14:08pm

Slanted frets: Most frets are perpendicular to the instrument’s neck. Though slanted frets might be more ergonomic, few luthiers offer slanted or fanned frets; Rickenbacker offered them in the late 60’s, and Novax Guitars offers such guitars today. The appearance of angled frets on these modern instruments belies the antiquity of this technique. Fanned frets first appeared on the 16th century Orpharion, a variant of the cittern, tuned like a lute.

I used to play a lot and have a lot of buddies in bands but never saw that.

Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:16:10pm

re: #9 Charles

Yeah, that one again. I’m giving it about a dozen more comments before the full-on meltdown.

*turns up the thermostat*

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:16:58pm

That’s some crazy playing… Neat.
My wrists hurt just watching.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:17:10pm

Let us not forget: Lefties are assholes too….

Julian Assange Reportedly Claims ‘Jewish’ Conspiracy Against Him

Huffpo comments…..

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I think Julian is telling the truth here, but in my book he is still an anarchist.
…
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…

Some really vile stuff and lots of it.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:18:05pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget: Lefties are assholes too…

Julian Assange Reportedly Claims ‘Jewish’ Conspiracy Against Him

Huffpo comments…

Some really vile stuff and lots of it.

when all else fails… blame the Jews. And Nescafe.

TedStriker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:18:07pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget: Lefties are assholes too…

Julian Assange Reportedly Claims ‘Jewish’ Conspiracy Against Him

Huffpo comments…

Some really vile stuff and lots of it.

Assange may be a bit of an anti-Semite? Color me shocked…

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:19:09pm

re: #14 brookly red

when all else fails… blame the Jews. And Nescafe.

Nescafe? I’ve seen that posted several times…

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:19:48pm

re: #16 Varek Raith

Nescafe? I’ve seen that posted several times…

Quadaffi.

TedStriker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:20:56pm

Lookie here…TN state senator Bill Ketron of Murfreesboro (the anti-Shariah law guy) has “filed a senate joint resolution to study whether Tennessee should adopt its own currency in case of a breakdown of the federal reserve system.”

I’ve got a Page up: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Great googley mooglely…

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:21:22pm

re: #17 brookly red

Quadaffi.

Thanks.

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:22:43pm

re: #15 talon_262

Assange may be a bit of an anti-Semite? Color me shocked…

…and his lefty supporters as well. As bad as leftist antisemitism is just imagine how scary the American right must be to Jews. Jews still overwhelmingly vote for Dems is spite of some really ugly and open antisemitism from progressives.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:23:12pm

re: #18 talon_262

Lookie here…TN state senator Bill Ketron of Murfreesboro (the anti-Shariah law guy) has “filed a senate joint resolution to study whether Tennessee should adopt its own currency in case of a breakdown of the federal reserve system.”

I’ve got a Page up: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Great googley mooglely…

The Coal Standard? Naww, I would rather horde silver coins myself.

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:23:18pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Let us not forget: Lefties are assholes too…

Julian Assange Reportedly Claims ‘Jewish’ Conspiracy Against Him

Huffpo comments…

Some really vile stuff and lots of it.

Pretty despicable. Every stripe has the capacity to shoot itself in the foot in a public forum.

Except us, of course. We are as pure as the driven snow.

Heh.

1/2 /

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:24:41pm

re: #21 brookly red

The Coal Standard? Naww, I would rather horde silver coins myself.

Bottlecaps, man!

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:25:29pm

re: #16 Varek Raith

Nescafe? I’ve seen that posted several times…

Gadaffi says that bin Laden put hallucinogens in the Libyan people’s Nescafe, to make them rise up against him. Obvious explanation, innit?

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:26:07pm

Playing dead: The sickening video that shows children recreating suicide bomber attacks as a playground game

A shocking video has emerged from Pakistan depicting children role-playing a Taliban suicide bombing.
The 84-second clip shows Pashtun children recreating a terrorist attack, with one boy dressed in black - the ‘bomber’ - being embraced and wished well by his friends before setting off on his deadly mission.

Youtube Video

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:26:34pm

re: #21 brookly red

The Coal Standard? Naww, I would rather horde silver coins myself.

When your investments go up in smoke…

[Link: www.agiweb.org…]

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:27:21pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Gadaffi says that bin Laden put hallucinogens in the Libyan people’s Nescafe, to make them rise up against him. Obvious explanation, innit?

Of course it is, silly.

You saw the answer I left you in last night’s thread, right? Just checkin’…

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:27:33pm

re: #26 austin_blue

When your investments go up in smoke…

[Link: www.agiweb.org…]

Indeed.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:27:34pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

…and his lefty supporters as well. As bad as leftist antisemitism is just imagine how scary the American right must be to Jews. Jews still overwhelmingly vote for Dems is spite of some really ugly and open antisemitism from progressives.

Elected Democrats far and away, and overwhelmingly, do not go into those woods, nor provide a forum or validity for those who do.

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:27:54pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Gadaffi says that bin Laden put hallucinogens in the Libyan people’s Nescafe, to make them rise up against him. Obvious explanation, innit?

Um, yes. Completely obvious!
…
Jeez, what’s he smoking???

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:28:14pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

Gadaffi says that bin Laden put hallucinogens in the Libyan people’s Nescafe, to make them rise up against him. Obvious explanation, innit?

But…but…he also said there is no internal revolt!

So confused…

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:28:27pm

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Of course it is, silly.

You saw the answer I left you in last night’s thread, right? Just checkin’…

Saw, saved to my computer for more research and future reference. Thanks!

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:28:31pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Um, yes. Completely obvious!
…
Jeez, what’s he smoking???

Nescafe.

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:28:46pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Playing dead: The sickening video that shows children recreating suicide bomber attacks as a playground game

[Video]

*SIGH* Yeah, kids’ll copy what they see, won’t they?

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:29:09pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Saw, saved to my computer for more research and future reference. Thanks!

Great. ;o)

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:29:26pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

Um, yes. Completely obvious!
…
Jeez, what’s he smoking???

My father’s theory is that Galina the Busty Ukrainian Nurse has been keeping him doped to the gills for years, and we’re now seeing the unmedicated Gaddafi.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:30:46pm

re: #31 austin_blue

But…but…he also said there is no internal revolt!

So confused…

Maybe there is no internal revolt, but the people think there is, because of the Nescafe. Maybe this whole thing is just a dream dreamed by a butterfly dreaming he is a Libyan dictator. Who the hell knows?

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:31:21pm

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Elected Democrats far and away, and overwhelmingly, do not go into those woods, nor provide a forum or validity for those who do.

They are smart about that but there’s not enough effort to educate their base or eject the lost causes. Leaving these problems to fester can cause problems in the future. The conservatives never really got rid of the John Birch society or paleocons like Buchanan and they are now paying the price.

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:31:57pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe there is no internal revolt, but the people think there is, because of the Nescafe. Maybe this whole thing is just a dream dreamed by a butterfly dreaming he is a Libyan dictator. Who the hell knows?

Wow! It’s like a dream within a dream!

Inception!

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:33:16pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

*SIGH* Yeah, kids’ll copy what they see, won’t they?

My guess is that’s from one of the madrassas that grooms young kids specifically for martyrdom. As I recall the parents get a small payment for giving their kids to the imams.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:33:34pm

re: #37 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe there is no internal revolt, but the people think there is, because of the Nescafe. Maybe this whole thing is just a dream dreamed by a butterfly dreaming he is a Libyan dictator. Who the hell knows?

Cameron had a clue, but alas… [Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:33:42pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

They are smart about that but there’s not enough effort to educate their base or eject the lost causes. Leaving these problems to fester can cause problems in the future. The conservatives never really got rid of the John Birch society or paleocons like Buchanan and they are now paying the price.

Who would you regard as the left-wing version of Buchanan or the JBS?

(And, to be fair, I think people actually thought the JBS was dead until quite recently.)

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:34:36pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

My guess is that’s from one of the madrassas that grooms young kids specifically for martyrdom. As I recall the parents get a small payment for giving their kids to the imams.

Ahh, they blow up so soon…

Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:35:06pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

They are smart about that but there’s not enough effort to educate their base or eject the lost causes. Leaving these problems to fester can cause problems in the future. The conservatives never really got rid of the John Birch society or paleocons like Buchanan and they are now paying the price.

There is no mechanism to purge fringe thinking on the left or right. Buckley gave it a good shot, but they’re back under the same sponsorship. Reading the most recent Huffpo comments show they’re running to the sane, and that’s about all that can be done in a free-speech environment.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:35:19pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

My guess is that’s from one of the madrassas that grooms young kids specifically for martyrdom. As I recall the parents get a small payment for giving their kids to the imams.

Ironic… what would an eleven year old do with 72 virgins anyway?

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:35:46pm

re: #41 brookly red

Cameron had a clue, but alas… [Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

Of course, a no fly zone would first require a major air offensive to take out AA sites, radar, C&C etc…
Which I would support. Though, I doubt many others would.

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:36:22pm

re: #45 brookly red

Ironic… what would an eleven year old do with 72 virgins anyway?

Sultanas? Put them in his oatmeal?

Killgore Trout Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:37:22pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Who would you regard as the left-wing version of Buchanan or the JBS?

(And, to be fair, I think people actually thought the JBS was dead until quite recently.)

I would say Code Pink and ANSWER would be analogous. Socialist and Marxist groups are also generally tolerated in lefty circles and they shouldn’t be.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:37:51pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

Of course, a no fly zone would first require a major air offensive to take out AA sites, radar, C&C etc…
Which I would support. Though, I doubt many others would.

not really, I don’t think much of their stuff is a. on line, b. a threat. but it ain’t happening so what’s the dif?

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:38:38pm

re: #40 Killgore Trout

My guess is that’s from one of the madrassas that grooms young kids specifically for martyrdom. As I recall the parents get a small payment for giving their kids to the imams.

*SIGH*
_{//I need a bigger bolder font for these sighs…}

Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:40:14pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I would say Code Pink and ANSWER would be analogous. Socialist and Marxist groups are also generally tolerated in lefty circles and they shouldn’t be.

If you take the socialists and Marxists out of the left, what’s left? NPR?

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:41:28pm

re: #43 austin_blue

Ahh, they blow up so soon…

Not funny. They’re innocent children whose minds are being poisoned and whose lives are being destroyed in the service of hate.

SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:42:29pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I would say Code Pink and ANSWER would be analogous. Socialist and Marxist groups are also generally tolerated in lefty circles and they shouldn’t be.

I would argue that these groups are not given legitimacy by the Democratic party. Maybe they are, and I just don’t see it. When’s a time that Code Pink or ANSWER have been invited to an event, and Democratic hopefuls have spoken—analogous to CPAC, say? Or Democrats given any kind of support or respect to Marxist groups?

The JBS are nuts, and Code Pink are nuts. I just see the right-wing nuts getting more coddled by people who actually hold office, and are voted for by lots of Americans. Even living in their heartland (Code Pink’s old office was about five miles from my house), I don’t see the nut lefty groups as having any influence on the Democratic Party.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:42:33pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Not funny. They’re innocent children whose minds are being poisoned and whose lives are being destroyed in the service of hate.

I think we are all aware of that.

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:43:25pm

re: #54 brookly red

I think we are all aware of that.

Then why are you making jokes about? Do you find it amusing?

austin_blue Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:43:45pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Not funny. They’re innocent children whose minds are being poisoned and whose lives are being destroyed in the service of hate.

I completely agree. Should have put a sarc tag on it. I appreciate you calling me on that. Poor judgement.

Apologies to all.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:44:39pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

If you take the socialists and Marxists out of the left, what’s left? NPR?

/that is like asking if you take the wet out of water ;)

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:45:11pm

re: #56 austin_blue

I completely agree. Should have put a sarc tag on it. I appreciate you calling me on that. Poor judgement.

Apologies to all.

Thanks for that. No hard feelings here.

Skeetghazi Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:46:53pm

re: #31 austin_blue

But…but…he also said there is no internal revolt!

So confused…

Amazing how we supported a lunatic. I would love to read the CIA file on the freak.

Simply Sarah Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:47:03pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I would say Code Pink and ANSWER would be analogous. Socialist and Marxist groups are also generally tolerated in lefty circles and they shouldn’t be.

I’m going to take slight issue with this, even at the risk that it’s not going to be the most popular viewpoint. While, clearly, the more radical socialist and Marxists don’t live in the real world, I think that the more moderate and rational sections of those groups (Well, socialists, at least. Marxist are harder to say since I’ve seen that term self-used by all sorts) make up an important part of the left to help balance out some of more unrestrained capitalist interests on the right. I should also note that there are several western European countries with legitimate Socialist parties that take part in and even lead governments. Socialists don’t have to be people wanting to turn the U.S. into the U.S.S.R.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:47:35pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

Amazing how we supported a lunatic. I would love to read the CIA file on the freak.

/hey I didn’t vote for him!

Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:49:53pm

re: #60 Simply Sarah

…snip Socialists don’t have to be people wanting to turn the U.S. into the U.S.S.R.

Hell, we’d need a brigade of Socialists to turn Alabama into Ohio.

Dark_Falcon Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:50:16pm

re: #60 Simply Sarah

I’m going to take slight issue with this, even at the risk that it’s not going to be the most popular viewpoint. While, clearly, the more radical socialist and Marxists don’t live in the real world, I think that the more moderate and rational sections of those groups (Well, socialists, at least. Marxist are harder to say since I’ve seen that term self-used by all sorts) make up an important part of the left to help balance out some of more unrestrained capitalist interests on the right. I should also note that there are several western European countries with legitimate Socialist parties that take part in and even lead governments. Socialists don’t have to be people wanting to turn the U.S. into the U.S.S.R.

Socialist are by-and-large not “EVIL!!1” like Glenn Beck paints them, but them are still collectivists and hence gravely wrong on economic matters.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:51:51pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Hell, we’d need a brigade of Socialists to turn Alabama into Ohio.

/ we can give you 2 divisions comrade, but no air support.

Decatur Deb Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:52:41pm

re: #64 brookly red

/ we can give you 2 divisions comrade, but no air support.

Better deal than they got at the Bay of Pigs.

Varek Raith Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:53:00pm

re: #64 brookly red

/ we can give you 2 divisions comrade, but no air support.

I can send him some party balloons for air support…

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:53:10pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Better deal than they got at the Bay of Pigs.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:53:56pm

re: #66 Varek Raith

I can send him some party balloons for air support…

all balloons belong to party…

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:58:35pm

re: #43 austin_blue

Ahh, they blow up so soon…

I vacillated for a while between updinging and downdinging you for that one. It was creative, poignant and focused so I updinged you.

Whack.

I just smacked you for your cavalier attitude toward children.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 6:59:23pm

re: #69 b_sharp

I vacillated for a while between updinging and downdinging you for that one. It was creative, poignant and focused so I updinged you.

Whack.

I just smacked you for your cavalier attitude toward children.

hey, I have herd that one used many times before…

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:00:29pm

re: #52 CuriousLurker

Not funny. They’re innocent children whose minds are being poisoned and whose lives are being destroyed in the service of hate.

Now I feel embarrassed.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:00:33pm

re: #70 brookly red

hey, I have herd that one used many times before…

I meant heard… OK pun away, my bad.

Simply Sarah Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:03:11pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

Socialist are by-and-large not “EVIL!!1” like Glenn Beck paints them, but them are still collectivists and hence gravely wrong on economic matters.

I think that’s a bit of a mischaracterization. There are, for sure, several branches of modern socialist thought that simply want a stronger government hand in things (Especially when it comes to social welfare focused programs), but otherwise support a market economy.

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:07:11pm

re: #71 b_sharp

Now I feel embarrassed.

Good. Just kidding (sorta). ;o)

It’s just that when I see stuff like that video with the kids… I think of Oklahoma City and images like Image: Firefighterbabyocb.jpg

That’s the future those kids are heading towards, except by then their innocence & compassion will have been indoctrinated out of them and they’ll be the ones perpetrating the slaughter.

brookly red Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:07:15pm

re: #73 Simply Sarah

I think that’s a bit of a mischaracterization. There are, for sure, several branches of modern socialist thought that simply want a stronger government hand in things (Especially when it comes to social welfare focused programs), but otherwise support a market economy.

/socialism lite?

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:08:54pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

Good. Just kidding (sorta). ;o)

It’s just that when I see stuff like that video with the kids… I think of Oklahoma City and images like Image: Firefighterbabyocb.jpg

That’s the future those kids are heading towards, except by then their innocence & compassion will have been indoctrinated out of them and they’ll be the ones perpetrating the slaughter.

Not to be a sexist ass, but it sometimes takes female sensibilities to make me see my stupidity.

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:10:47pm

re: #76 b_sharp

Not to be a sexist ass, but it sometimes takes female sensibilities to make me see my stupidity.

It’s okay, b—I still love ya’. {{b_sharp}}

b_sharp Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:19:56pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

It’s okay, b—I still love ya’. {{b_sharp}}

Aw, shucks.

BTW, that PHP code you sent me is working well. Thanks.

CuriousLurker Tue, Mar 1, 2011 7:22:03pm

re: #78 b_sharp

Aw, shucks.

BTW, that PHP code you sent me is working well. Thanks.

Great! And you’re welcome.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 12:39:57pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

…and his lefty supporters as well. As bad as leftist antisemitism is just imagine how scary the American right must be to Jews. Jews still overwhelmingly vote for Dems is spite of some really ugly and open antisemitism from progressives.

Last time I checked those allegations against Assange weren’t proven and were disputed. Did anything change?

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 12:51:03pm

re: #80 Sergey Romanov

I’ll take Hislop’s word over Assange’s, any day.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 12:51:33pm

re: #81 Obdicut

I’ll take Hislop’s word over Assange’s, any day.

I don’t take both of their words.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 1:39:15pm

re: #81 Obdicut

I’ll take Hislop’s word over Assange’s, any day.

Bugger, now I’m going to have to check your sources when you post.

An editorial in a tabloid
From the most sued man in the UK, PROOF!

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 1:51:12pm

re: #83 ozbloke

Huh?

The libel and slander laws in the UK are ridiculously restrictive. I’m glad that Private Eye pushes back against them in the way that it does.

It is also not a tabloid in the traditional sense of the word, at all.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:02:18pm

re: #84 Obdicut

Huh?

The libel and slander laws in the UK are ridiculously restrictive. I’m glad that Private Eye pushes back against them in the way that it does.

It is also not a tabloid in the traditional sense of the word, at all.

Obdi,
Ian Hislop is the most sued man in UK’s legal history, he has only one two cases.

I know you hate what Assange did.

I have come to know you as someone who does great research and backs up with good and informative links.

Here I am having to ask myself why you prefer one lier over another. If it isn’t because he is saying something you want to believe.

No offence meant.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:03:54pm

re: #85 ozbloke

Obdi,
Ian Hislop is the most sued man in UK’s legal history, he has only one two cases.

I know you hate what Assange did.

I have come to know you as someone who does great research and backs up with good and informative links.

Here I am having to ask myself why you prefer one lier over another. If it isn’t because he is saying something you want to believe.

No offence meant.

PIMF: s/one/won/g

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:12:09pm

re: #85 ozbloke

Ian Hislop is the most sued man in UK’s legal history, he has only one two cases.

And? He’s been sued for libel and slander, under the UK’s incredibly restrictive libel and slander laws. I like that about him.

Here I am having to ask myself why you prefer one lier over another. If it isn’t because he is saying something you want to believe.

Why are you saying Hislop is a liar, please?

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:13:29pm

re: #85 ozbloke

Also, I really don’t appreciate the insinuation that I’m taking Hislop over Assange because I dislike Wikileaks. That’s a pretty shitty accusation on your part.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:15:47pm

re: #87 Obdicut

And? He’s been sued for libel and slander, under the UK’s incredibly restrictive libel and slander laws. I like that about him.

Yes and out of all of the people in the UK he is the most sued.

Why are you saying Hislop is a liar, please?

You mean other than the cases where he was successfully sued for libel?

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:18:42pm

re: #89 ozbloke

Yes and out of all of the people in the UK he is the most sued.

So what?

You mean other than the cases where he was successfully sued for libel?

I’m not sure you really understand British libel and slander law. Do you?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:19:40pm

re: #89 ozbloke

Yes and out of all of the people in the UK he is the most sued.

You mean other than the cases where he was successfully sued for libel?

Given the peculiarity of the libel laws in the UK the amount of lost suits doesn’t necessarily tell us anything significant about the truthfulness of the person, and the amount of the suits themselves is a function of Hislop telling controversial things - whether they’re true or not. That is not my main issue with his account. My main issue is that this is merely a memory of a phonecall, with quite possible distortion of details and nuances (not necessarily intended, I might note). This piece can in no way be credibly used to call Assange an antisemite.

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:22:04pm

re: #91 Sergey Romanov

It’s not proof at all, definitely. It’s simple hearsay.

I have said from the start that I think the main reason there are so many anti-Israel people associated with Wikileaks is simply because Israel is one of the world’s most visibly active governments, and they’re mostly anti-government.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:24:12pm

re: #90 Obdicut

So what?

If he was the most sued, but had won most cases I wouldn’t be having this chat if fact I would probably have agreed with you, but that is the opposite of what I believe to be true.

I’m not sure you really understand British libel and slander law. Do you?

I don’t know why you are asking me that.
Are you suggesting Hislop has not been found guilty of printing articles that have been proved false?

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:26:19pm

re: #92 Obdicut

It’s not proof at all, definitely. It’s simple hearsay.

This actually answers my first question, thanks.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:27:51pm

re: #93 ozbloke

If he was the most sued, but had won most cases I wouldn’t be having this chat if fact I would probably have agreed with you, but that is the opposite of what I believe to be true.

I don’t know why you are asking me that.
Are you suggesting Hislop has not been found guilty of printing articles that have been proved false?

Relying on the rulings of the British courts in such cases to arrive at the truth is a really bad epistemology.

English law allows actions for libel to be brought in the High Court for any published statements which are alleged to defame a named or identifiable individual (or individuals) in a manner which causes them loss in their trade or profession, or causes a reasonable person to think worse of him, her or them. Allowable defences are justification (i.e. the truth of the statement), fair comment (i.e. whether the statement was a view that a reasonable person could have held), and privilege (i.e. whether the statements were made in Parliament or in court, or whether they were fair reports of allegations in the public interest). An offer of amends is a barrier to litigation. A defamatory statement is presumed to be false, unless the defendant can prove its truth.

So all that is needed is a less than vigorous defense for whatever reason. Lipstadt could have lost to Irving by default. Wouldn’t make Irving any less of a denier.

Usually refered to as anyways Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:41:23pm

re: #95 Sergey Romanov

Relying on the rulings of the British courts in such cases to arrive at the truth is a really bad epistemology.

So all that is needed is a less than vigorous defense for whatever reason. Lipstadt could have lost to Irving by default. Wouldn’t make Irving any less of a denier.

I accept what both you and Obdi are saying here.

But like Obdi said, “It’s not proof at all, definitely. It’s simple hearsay.”

I saw yesterday here at LFG comments like ‘Im not surprised’ and ‘color my shocked.’

Today when I saw Obdi’s comment it surprised me.
The only logic I see in the reasoning of those comments was that it supported a preconceived view.

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:42:50pm

re: #93 ozbloke

Are you suggesting Hislop has not been found guilty of printing articles that have been proved false?

Yes, exactly. You don’t understand British libel and slander law. There is no need to prove the articles false in order to win a libel and slander charge.

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