Mike Huckabee and Bryan Fischer: Obama is 'Fundamentally Anti-American'

Mike Huckabee and Bryan Fischer: Obama is ‘Fundamentally Anti-American’

Huckabee does damage control by appearing on the radio show of the religious right’s most crazed fanatic

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Mike Huckabee is desperately trying to spin away his remarks about President Obama “growing up in Kenya,” saying he misspoke — even though he also referenced the Mau Mau uprising, in a lengthy story about Barack Obama’s anti-American upbringing.

So who does Mike Huckabee turn to when he wants to get the message out? The American Family Association’s most deranged homophobic religious fanatic, Bryan Fischer, of course! Huckabee called in to Fischer’s radio show today, railing at the media for reporting his racist dog whistle statements, and agreeing with Fischer that regardless of where he grew up, whether it was Africa or some other furrin land full of dark people, Obama definitely has “fundamentally anti-American” ideas.

Wow, Mike. Not even trying to hide it, are you?

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And Huckabee is not the first potential GOP presidential candidate to go on the radio show of this far right crackpot: Tim Pawlenty Gives Interview to Religious Right’s Most Crazed Fanatic: Wants to Reinstate DADT.

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135 comments

Bulworth Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:06:06pm

Mau Mau = Macaca

HappyWarrior Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:06:59pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Mau Mau = Macaca

Let's hope it affects Huckabee the same way that did Allen.

Bulworth Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:07:51pm

So this guy Fischer has his own radio show, too? Is there any rightwinger without his or her own radio show?

Otherwise, the rightwing sure is shut out of the media world, aren't they?

HappyWarrior Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:07:56pm

Okay can I be blunt? Fuck these assholes.

Targetpractice Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:08:05pm

See, the thing is, we rational folks see this as Huck shooting off his foot. To the irrational folks, the ones whole have spent the past two years steeping in anti-Obama rhetoric, this is a breath of fresh air. A GOP candidate who thinks like they do! And has the courage to say it out loud! Hallelujah!

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:08:06pm

Charges of anti Americanism coming from folks who don't believe in the separation of church and state or the equality of all men....

uhhh huhhh

Simply Sarah Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:08:16pm

"Obama has anti-American ideas! I might not be able to tell you what they are or why he has them, but, by God, he does!"

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:08:35pm

Asshat.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:08:46pm

re: #7 Simply Sarah

"Obama has anti-American ideas! I might not be able to tell you what they are or why he has them, but, by God, he does!"

It is a matter of faith!

Bulworth Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:09:34pm

"Obama has anti-American ideas! I might not be able to tell you what they are or why he has them, but, by God, he does!"

So, the reichwing is going to do a replay of the Bill Ayers/Jeremiah Wright "associations" campaign for 2012? Really?

Varek Raith Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:10:04pm

Sigh...

HappyWarrior Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:10:08pm

Obama is so Anti-American that he lowered the flags in the government for Frank Buckles. Seriously, who are Fischer and Huckabee to say this? Okay, you don't have to like his policies but calling him anti-American is nonsense and pathetic. It seems like all the major Republican candidates for president want to do outdo each other in most pathetic critiques of Obama. Can't wait to hear that he's really a space alien out to destroy Earth. Come on assholes, I dare ya!

Kragar Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:10:29pm

Anti-American = not a white cross hugging misogynist who thinks the bible is the only book worth reading.

wrenchwench Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:10:57pm

Anti-colonial=anti-American?

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:11:02pm

Well, if "American" is defined as in "1950s America" (or "1850s America" for that matter) there may be a grain of truth there, IYKWIM.

albusteve Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:11:04pm

when idiots like Huckabee and Fischer get this much attention, you know we are hosed....better hunker down because I doubt they will be stopped any time soon...soconism is sweeping the country

Varek Raith Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:11:34pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Anti-colonial=anti-American?

Yep. Except for us against them thar Brits.

brennant Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:12:46pm

head+desk

Kragar Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:13:08pm

And now, a musical rebuttal...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Decatur Deb Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:13:25pm

re: #16 albusteve

when idiots like Huckabee and Fischer get this much attention, you know we are hosed...better hunker down because I doubt they will be stopped any time soon...soconism is sweeping the country

This is more an insult or irritant than an effective attack strategy. Everyone who could be swayed by this silly crap is already sure of who they're voting against in 2012.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:15:04pm

re: #18 brennant

head+desk

There's got to be a market for a Nerf desk during this election cycle...

Varek Raith Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:15:16pm

re: #18 brennant

head+desk

Image: FaceDesk.gif

albusteve Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:15:31pm

re: #20 Decatur Deb

This is more an insult or irritant than an effective attack strategy. Everyone who could be swayed by this silly crap is already sure of who they're voting against in 2012.

yeah?...you sound pretty sure of yourself, probably much different than two years ago...and btw, you don't need to be insulted, do you?

brennant Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:15:47pm

re: #21 oaktree

There's got to be a market for a Nerf desk during this election cycle...

Agreed. I am sure I will have a high level of brain damage if this continues.

Velvet Elvis Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:16:15pm

That's the president of the United States of Anti-America to you numbskull

wrenchwench Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:16:20pm

"Most of us grew up going to Boy Scout meetings..."

When Barack Obama was a little boy, he probably wouldn't have been allowed to join the Boy Scouts. Not because he was black, but because he didn't have a father around to take him to the meetings. Boys from "broken homes" were discriminated against in a lot of ways.

Achilles Tang Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:17:01pm

re: #16 albusteve

when idiots like Huckabee and Fischer get this much attention, you know we are hosed...better hunker down because I doubt they will be stopped any time soon...soconism is sweeping the country

Isn't that what they caught in Venezuela? No cure yet.

Killgore Trout Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:17:12pm

Huckabee Criticizes The Media For Covering His "Verbal Gaffe"

MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:17:46pm

re: #10 Bulworth

Sounds like it...the wingnuts need to get a new dead horse to beat, because this one's nothing but bones.

Targetpractice Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:17:47pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

"Most of us grew up going to Boy Scout meetings..."

When Barack Obama was a little boy, he probably wouldn't have been allowed to join the Boy Scouts. Not because he was black, but because he didn't have a father around to take him to the meetings. Boys from "broken homes" were discriminated against in a lot of ways.

Still are, to a degree, depending on where you live. Ones in military towns tend to be more forgiving, because it's assumed that if your old man ain't there, it's because he's on deployment.

Decatur Deb Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:18:04pm

re: #23 albusteve

yeah?...you sound pretty sure of yourself, probably much different than two years ago...and btw, you don't need to be insulted, do you?

Lost me...unless "silly crap" was too vague. It's directed at Huck's AFA bull.

Varek Raith Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:18:59pm

re: #29 talon_262

Sounds like it...the wingnuts need to get a new dead horse to beat, because this one's nothing but bones.

They'll need a particle accelerator to continue beating that horse.

Kragar Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:19:23pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Huckabee Criticizes The Media For Covering His "Verbal Gaffe"

STOP QUOTING ME WHEN I SAY STUPID SHIT!

Obdicut Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:19:28pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

What bullshit. He was clearly talking at length about Kenya.

Bulworth Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:19:30pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Huckabee Criticizes The Media For Covering His "Verbal Gaffe"

That's pretty much the usual rightwing response to whatever crazy stuff they got caught saying.

HappyWarrior Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:19:42pm

One thing is for sure, I do not want to ever hear again about "how mean liberals and democrats were to President Bush." Never.

Summer Seale Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:20:05pm

Well, I remember when Obama returned the bust of Winston Churchill, and I admit to being a bit annoyed at that at first. After all, as Harry Truman once told David Brinkley while they were all playing cards: "I don't want you to win against the man who singlehandedly saved the world with his oratory skills" (paraphrasing here).

Howevere, once I learned why he had returned it, the history involved in his family, I did understand. I actually have lots of problems with how the British Empire handled some things (you can include India/Pakistan and how they handled the "Palestinian problem", including letting Jews die whenever convenient etc....sorry to say, and I'm definitely not a rabid anti-British person by any stretch).

That point of view isn't anti-American; it's anti-Colonialist. I wasn't aware, however, that Mike Huckabee thinks that we had a colonialist past in the last century. I don't remember ever reading that British Colonialism had anything to do with our own "Americanism", so I'm not exactly sure how being anti-Colonial equates being anti-American. Just for that alone, he's a moron.

Now I'm far more shocked that some people think that Obama's anti-Colonialist views equate to being anti-American than I ever was at his returning the bust of P.M. Churchill.

At least his point of view makes sense on a personal level. Huckabee's point of view doesn't even jive with history or logic.

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:20:10pm

re: #35 Bulworth

That's pretty much the usual rightwing response to whatever crazy stuff they got caught saying.

We're not supposed to be able to hear the dogwhistle that is being blown...

simoom Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:20:14pm

Resolution Passed To Fine Absent Wis Senators

The 14 Wisconsin state Senate Democrats who left the state two weeks ago will now face fines of $100 for each day they miss, if they miss two or more days.
Republicans remaining in the Senate approved the daily fine on Wednesday morning with none of the Democrats present.
...
The resolution passed on Wednesday also requires the missing Democrats to reimburse the Senate for any costs incurred during attempts to force them to return. Their salary and other per diem payments can be withheld until they pay back the penalties and costs.

Republicans have already withheld the checks of missing Democrats from direct deposit and denied access to copying machines for their staff.

According to TODAY'S TMJ4's Mick Trevey, there are punishments incorporated into the resolution which would allow for the removal of offices from senators, to downsize their offices, to take away spending capabilities for their offices for photocopies and office supplies, even to changing the way the staffs are run.

If Wisconsin Senators are anywhere as poorly payed as the Senators in my state, that could get prohibitively expensive really fast.

blueraven Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:20:57pm

All of this has nothing to do with the fact that 51% of all republican primary voters question the citizenship of Obama. Nothing at all. /

Simply Sarah Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:21:52pm

re: #39 simoom

Resolution Passed To Fine Absent Wis Senators

If Wisconsin Senators are anywhere as poorly payed as the Senators in my state, that could get prohibitively expensive really fast.

So...we can expect a squad of military jets to be out searching for them day and night, I assume.

MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:22:55pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Huckabee Criticizes The Media For Covering His "Verbal Gaffe"

It's a classic...when you can't defend your message, attack the people calling you out.

Charles (and more than a few Lizards) knows that one real well...

HappyWarrior Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:22:59pm

re: #40 blueraven

All of this has nothing to do with the fact that 51% of all republican primary voters question the citizenship of Obama. Nothing at all. /

Yep nothing ;). Really is a shame that they pander to this nonsense since that's what this is. I don't doubt for a second that Huckabee, Gingrich, and the others know Obama is as American as the next person but they know they can't appeal to their base by simply criticizing policy. They have to throw the red meat out there and sadly it will probably work.

palomino Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:23:01pm

In 2008 Huckabee packaged himself as a compassionate conservative, kinda like Bush in 2000. He often said, "I'm a conservative, but I'm not angry about it," in order to distance himself from the firebreathers on the right.

But now there's a TP and Huck knows this isn't what they want to hear. So now he's trying to sound like Gingrich, Palin, et al., as he figures he's gonna have to beat people like that to get the nod. If he's not running, then he's just doing early proxy work to further smear Obama. Sick either way.

Fuck Huck.

engineer cat Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:23:02pm

since they feel that they can tell people what obama thinks and feels, then i have every right to say this:

huckabee and all other christian conservatives have a fundamentally un american belief that americans should be forced to convert to christianity. they are against freedom of conscience

this explains why they hate democracy

Targetpractice Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:24:18pm

re: #39 simoom

Resolution Passed To Fine Absent Wis Senators

If Wisconsin Senators are anywhere as poorly payed as the Senators in my state, that could get prohibitively expensive really fast.

This is getting downright vindictive, if not an outright abuse of power. They can call it what they like, but this has ceased being about the budget and has become about enforcing "majority rule" by any means possible.

Can you imagine the uproar if the Dems on the federal level had pulled a similar stunt in response to Repub filibusters?

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:24:36pm

re: #45 engineer dog

since they feel that they can tell people what obama thinks and feels, then i have every right to say this:

huckabee and all other christian conservatives have a fundamentally un american belief that americans should be forced to convert to christianity. they are against freedom of conscience

this explains why they hate democracy

Yeah, but they openly say such things. That is not much of a stretch. Also did you see the new climate page? Your comments would be appreciated.

RadicalModerate Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:24:53pm

Words cannot describe how pissed off I am right now.

Banner headline on CNN:

Breaking News:Ohio's Senate passes bill that would curb public workers' collective bargaining rights and strip away power to strike.

Velvet Elvis Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:25:03pm

re: #39 simoom

Resolution Passed To Fine Absent Wis Senators

If Wisconsin Senators are anywhere as poorly payed as the Senators in my state, that could get prohibitively expensive really fast.

In my state we take pride in the fact that our state legislature is completely unpaid (which leaves them open for bribes.)

Targetpractice Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:25:29pm

re: #48 RadicalModerate

Words cannot describe how pissed off I am right now.

Banner headline on CNN:

Breaking News:Ohio's Senate passes bill that would curb public workers' collective bargaining rights and strip away power to strike.

Walker may have just lost his chance to steal the spotlight away from Cristie.

Decatur Deb Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:27:45pm

re: #49 Conservative Moonbat

In my state we take pride in the fact that our state legislature is completely unpaid (which leaves them open for bribes.)

Or turns governance into a rich man's hobby. Do you call them "Commons" and "Lords"?

RadicalModerate Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:28:27pm

re: #50 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Walker may have just lost his chance to steal the spotlight away from Cristie.

So, Kasich stole Walker's thunder in a relatively "under the radar" move? - This was Ohio's steamrolling of the anti-labor bill that hasn't gotten half the press that Wisconsin has.

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:28:54pm

Hey all,

Just listened to the Andy Mckee post downstairs. I likey! Just what I needed for my harrowingly busy day. Just here for a short while.

How is everyone?

Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:29:00pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Or turns governance into a rich man's hobby. Do you call them "Commons" and "Lords"?

I think the goal is to get the "commons" part all the way back to "serf".

Serf work turf, and the Lords get the rest.

Velvet Elvis Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:29:51pm

A CEO, A union guy, and a Tea Partier are sitting around a table with a plate of 12 cookies between them. The CEO takes 11 cookies and says to the Tea Partier "you better watch that union guy, he wants part of your cookie."

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:30:20pm

re: #55 Conservative Moonbat

A CEO, A union guy, and a Tea Partier are sitting around a table with a plate of 12 cookies between them. The CEO takes 11 cookies and says to the Tea Partier "you better watch that union guy, he wants part of your cookie."

This is a fabulous joke.

AK-47% Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:31:01pm

The whole referencing the Mau-Mau uprising ploy was just another dogwhistle to remind white, God-fearing Americans of the chaos that will descend upon the cities "when we let the n***s take over".

Velvet Elvis Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:31:15pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Or turns governance into a rich man's hobby. Do you call them "Commons" and "Lords"?

Crooks and bastards.

Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:31:38pm

re: #48 RadicalModerate

Words cannot describe how pissed off I am right now.

Banner headline on CNN:

Breaking News:Ohio's Senate passes bill that would curb public workers' collective bargaining rights and strip away power to strike.

And the GOP war on the working class and the middle class gains another victory.

HappyWarrior Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:31:40pm

re: #55 Conservative Moonbat

A CEO, A union guy, and a Tea Partier are sitting around a table with a plate of 12 cookies between them. The CEO takes 11 cookies and says to the Tea Partier "you better watch that union guy, he wants part of your cookie."

Yeah I've heard it a few times the past few days. Not that far off in context from what's going on. The TP dupes are buying the corporate narrative of blaming the unions even though they should be directing some of their anger at the corporate world.

AK-47% Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:33:18pm

re: #45 engineer dog

since they feel that they can tell people what obama thinks and feels, then i have every right to say this:

huckabee and all other christian conservatives have a fundamentally un american belief that americans should be forced to convert to christianity. they are against freedom of conscience

this explains why they hate democracy

They just want to impose their view of Christianity on the government, on legislation and the courts.

Which is against the First Amendment and is un-American.

MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:34:18pm

re: #49 Conservative Moonbat

In my state we take pride in the fact that our state legislature is completely unpaid (which leaves them open for bribes.)

See: John Ford (among others)

simoom Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:34:22pm

re: #37 Summer

Howevere, once I learned why he had returned it, the history involved in his family, I did understand.

Wait a sec, the history involving his family? I thought the bust was on loan and due to be returned even before the President assumed office, which is why it was swapped for the Abe Lincoln bust when remodeling the Oval Office. Then, after some in the UK media read all kinds of things into it, the British Embassy offered to extend the loan.

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:34:26pm

re: #61 ralphieboy

They just want to impose their view of Christianity on the government, on legislation and the courts.

Which is against the First Amendment and is un-American.

It's a Brave New World and there is a lot of Cognitive Dissonance going around.

palomino Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:34:34pm

re: #55 Conservative Moonbat

A CEO, A union guy, and a Tea Partier are sitting around a table with a plate of 12 cookies between them. The CEO takes 11 cookies and says to the Tea Partier "you better watch that union guy, he wants part of your cookie."

Yeah, those damn union workers with their fancy pants 50k salaries (which they get after only 20 years experience on the job). Just unconscionable.

avanti Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:37:13pm

re: #48 RadicalModerate

Words cannot describe how pissed off I am right now.

Banner headline on CNN:

Breaking News:Ohio's Senate passes bill that would curb public workers' collective bargaining rights and strip away power to strike.

We need to restrain the middle class so we can cut taxes for the rich so the riches wealth will "trickle down" i.e. the guys at the car wash cleaning up there Mercedes will get bigger tips./

Velvet Elvis Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:37:26pm

re: #62 talon_262

See: John Ford (among others)

Bingo. With rare exceptions you've got to be crooked to be involved in TN politics. Once you're really good at it we'll send you to Washington.

Kragar Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:37:32pm

This is just so wrong I can't help but laugh.

Not all commissars lead through fear...

prairiefire Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:39:08pm

I've been keeping up with the comments on the recent 2012 presidential article at Politico. The right wingers are spewing out every Fox talking point as to Obama's impending loss. They are living on their own little planet.

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:40:44pm

Also, Huckabee and Fisher grew up in USSR so Andropov's Manchurian brainwashing techniques must be causing them to attack the President of the US.

Sorry, that was a typo above, I mean "grew up in the US".

MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:44:06pm

re: #67 Conservative Moonbat

Bingo. With rare exceptions you've got to be crooked to be involved in TN politics. Once you're really good at it we'll send you to Washington.

I'd say that's a bit of a broad brush to say that most folks that go to Capital Hill (here in Nashville, for those outside TN) to serve in the legislature are crooks, but there's a lot of temptation and opportunity for the weak with the way things are now.

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:44:06pm

re: #65 palomino

Yeah, those damn union workers with their fancy pants 50k salaries (which they get after only 20 years experience on the job). Just unconscionable.

I understand very little of economics. With salaries, it seems to be a volume game. There are thousands of workers and only one CEO.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:44:16pm

Giddy-up
Ah-um-papa-Um-papa-mau mau
Giddy-up
Ah-um-papa-Um-papa
.
.
.
.
mau mau

Hi-yo Silver! Away!

Huck ain't gonna be the guy.

dragonfire1981 Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:45:42pm

You know what I find really idiotic about the GOP right now?

Well, besides the anit-abortion, sharia law, birth certificate, union busting craziness?

The fact that they apparently employ the stupidest political strategists on the face of the planet. They are allegedly obsessed with retaking the White House in 2012. Any idiot with half a brain knows you can't win the White House with far right religious conservatives as your only voting bloc, but apparently the GOP thinks otherwise because they are doing a hell of a job alienating just about anyone who isn't part of that group.

I don't think Huckabee, Gingrich, Romney, Santorum or Palin have a chance in hell for 2012 the way they are going. Check your calendars boys, 2012 is not far off, you need to get your shit together now if you want a solid shot at Obama.

Honestly I think all the top GOP candidates for President have damaged themselves too much with the controversial statements and Tea Party pandering to click with a wider audience.

The only for Republicans is to find a moderate leaning candidate who can click with Tea Party voters. Sadly, I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

And the stupidest thing of all? When the Republicans fail to retake the White House in 2012, they will blame anything and anyone except themselves for the failure.

albusteve Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:45:51pm

the process is corrupt, officials are corrupt and now half the voters are selling their souls

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:47:20pm

re: #75 albusteve

the process is corrupt, officials are corrupt and now half the voters are selling their souls

It's always been corrupt. Sad is that ours is probably the best there is to find.

BongCrodny Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:47:43pm

Tip of the hat to the first guy who tagged him "Huckabilly."

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:48:21pm

No "I Like Mike" buttons in 2012?

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:48:47pm

OT, but damn this is crazy shit

MANTECA, Calif. — The woman desperately gripped a windshield wiper blade, her body splayed across the hood of the minivan as it raced down a Northern California freeway in the middle of the night, reaching 100 mph, witnesses said.

With the temperature hovering in the low 30s, Christopher Michael Carroll drove 35 miles from Manteca to nearby Pleasanton on Saturday with his wife clinging to the hood, prompting 911 calls from at least two alarmed witnesses, police said.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:49:53pm

re: #78 ggt

(you see my avatar?)

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:50:59pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

OT, but damn this is crazy shit

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

some people attract drama, I guess?

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:51:29pm

re: #80 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(you see my avatar?)

Ah, I think I get it. Divine Plan?

RadicalModerate Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:52:01pm

I swear, listening and reading what Bryan Fisher and his compatriots are saying nowadays is starting to venture past the "Christian Reconstructionism/Dominionism" description and moving much, much closer to the "Positive Christianity" label.

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:52:25pm

"where he claims to be born," Huck? Have you no fucking shame?

Lidane Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:54:02pm

re: #10 Bulworth

So, the reichwing is going to do a replay of the Bill Ayers/Jeremiah Wright "associations" campaign for 2012? Really?

Pretty much. Only now they'll add more "SOROS ZOMG!" and talk about how refusing to defend DOMA is treason and grounds for impeachment.

Never mind jobs or the economy or anything that's actually, you know, relevant to people. It's all about how the POTUS is a Scary Black Man with a funny name and who threatens their version of ~~White~~ Real America.

Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:54:06pm

I think I am more bored with this topic than I am with Palin. Can we, meaning people in the world collectively, just skip it. And while we are at it, ignore anything that has to do with Palin and her family?

And Hollywood . . .

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:54:38pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Huckabee Criticizes The Media For Covering His "Verbal Gaffe"

How is it a "verbal gaffe" when he did it twice?

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:57:46pm

Okay. I think this is funny.

Lidane Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:57:55pm

re: #74 dragonfire1981

The only for Republicans is to find a moderate leaning candidate who can click with Tea Party voters. Sadly, I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

You might as well be asking for them to find a unicorn that farts glitter and rainbows. Never happen. Ever.

A moderate leaning candidate would be a sellout and a RINO to the teabaggers, and an acceptable candidate for the Tea Party would alienate everyone else because of all the crazy things they'd say and do.

Lidane Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:58:28pm

re: #87 Kid A

How is it a "verbal gaffe" when he did it twice?

Because people have reacted negatively, which he didn't expect. That's how.

Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Mar 2, 2011 2:59:16pm

re: #90 Lidane

Because people have reacted negatively, which he didn't expect. That's how.

Oh, the teabag logic thing. Got ya.
/

EastSider Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:02:47pm

re: #74 dragonfire1981

You know what I find really idiotic about the GOP right now?

Well, besides the anit-abortion, sharia law, birth certificate, union busting craziness?

The fact that they apparently employ the stupidest political strategists on the face of the planet. They are allegedly obsessed with retaking the White House in 2012. Any idiot with half a brain knows you can't win the White House with far right religious conservatives as your only voting bloc, but apparently the GOP thinks otherwise because they are doing a hell of a job alienating just about anyone who isn't part of that group.

I don't think Huckabee, Gingrich, Romney, Santorum or Palin have a chance in hell for 2012 the way they are going. Check your calendars boys, 2012 is not far off, you need to get your shit together now if you want a solid shot at Obama.

Honestly I think all the top GOP candidates for President have damaged themselves too much with the controversial statements and Tea Party pandering to click with a wider audience.

The only for Republicans is to find a moderate leaning candidate who can click with Tea Party voters. Sadly, I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

And the stupidest thing of all? When the Republicans fail to retake the White House in 2012, they will blame anything and anyone except themselves for the failure.

Came here to say this. How did the "He's not one of us" strategy work out in 2008? You think its going to work after he's got 4 years of being (a moderately successful) President under his belt?

Targetpractice Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:04:02pm

re: #89 Lidane

You might as well be asking for them to find a unicorn that farts glitter and rainbows. Never happen. Ever.

A moderate leaning candidate would be a sellout and a RINO to the teabaggers, and an acceptable candidate for the Tea Party would alienate everyone else because of all the crazy things they'd say and do.

The only option is to put one of both on the ticket, a "moderate RINO" candidate who can appeal to the independents while bringing a Tea Partier on to bring the far-right to vote. Problem is, not is it essentially a rehash of '08, but it's going to cause a lot of friction between the leadership and the Tea Party over which should lead and which should follow.

Kragar Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:07:16pm

re: #87 Kid A

How is it a "verbal gaffe" when he did it twice?

Its a gaffe because you weren't supposed to notice.

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:09:35pm

wow, marriage made in heaven, Fischer and Huckabee

Enjoy your KKK circle jerk, pigs

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:10:35pm

re: #84 Kid A

"where he claims to be born," Huck? Have you no fucking shame?

He turned into a bottom feeder, apparently he's found comraderie amongst the garbage

Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:11:08pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

wow, marriage made in heaven, Fischer and Huckabee

Enjoy your KKK circle jerk, pigs

Ah. Now I get the "Ku Klux" (kuklos) part :P

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:11:21pm

re: #55 Conservative Moonbat

A CEO, A union guy, and a Tea Partier are sitting around a table with a plate of 12 cookies between them. The CEO takes 11 cookies and says to the Tea Partier "you better watch that union guy, he wants part of your cookie."

nice :D

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:11:47pm

re: #97 Sergey Romanov

Ah. Now I get the "Ku Klux" (kuklos) part :P

lol :D

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:12:30pm

re: #92 EastSider

Came here to say this. How did the "He's not one of us" strategy work out in 2008? You think its going to work after he's got 4 years of being (a moderately successful) President under his belt?

EXACTLY.

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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:13:15pm

gotta go all,

Have a great evening!

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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:19:14pm

This is OT but I just wanted to say how awesome TGOP fiscal conservatism is. This is a passage from the public employee union busting bill just passed by the Senate in OH:

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Sec. 3101.01 of S.B. 5: ... A marriage may only be entered into by one man and one woman. Any marriage between persons of the same sex is against the strong public policy of this state. Any marriage between persons of the same sex shall have no legal force or effect in this state and, if attempted to be entered into in this state, is void ab initio and shall not be recognized by this state. The recognition or extension by the state of the specific statutory benefits of a legal marriage to non-marital relationships between persons of the same sex or different sexes is against the strong public policy of this state. Any public act, record or judicial proceeding of this state, as defined in section 9.82 of the Revised Code, that extends the specific statutory benefits of legal marriage to non-marital relationships between persons of the same sex or different sexes is void.

Not only are unions causing budget deficits, but apparently so are gays getting married! I can't wait for this bigoted party to be relegated to the trash bin of history.

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:19:56pm

It's hilarious to think that many on the right frequently accuse those on the left of having drunk the Kool Aid. Who's drinking the Kool Aid now? Heck, the right started consuming the Kool Aid as soon as Obama hit the scene.

And this fool Huckabee is trying to repsent himself to the American public as a viable candidate for the presidency of the United State? How's this going to work by appearing on a radio program of the most homophobic, extremist and reactionary lunatics to be found? Bryan Fischer?

But then again the shoe fits given Huckabee's recent dabling in wingnuttery. So to the Republican Party all I can see is don't waste your money on old Huck'. And at the rate you're going you might as well concede to Obama now and start planning for 2016.

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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20:21pm

re: #102 moderatelyradicalliberal

This is OT but I just wanted to say how awesome TGOP fiscal conservatism is. This is a passage from the public employee union busting bill just passed by the Senate in OH:

[Link: andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...]

Not only are unions causing budget deficits, but apparently so are gays getting married! I can't wait for this bigoted party to be relegated to the trash bin of history.

OH'S NOOOS! TEH GEYS, AGAINS!!!
///

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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20:33pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Let's hope it affects Huckabee the same way that did Allen.

I'd wait to see if Allen doesn't win his old Senate seat back before saying that.

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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:20:58pm

Thanks again to all you LGF reptiles! My Karma just hit 1,000!

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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:22:20pm

Dear Mike Huckabee,

We'll be at Lost & Found if you want us back.

Regards,

Sanity

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:25:39pm

There they go again. The same old right wing anti-colonial meme and talking about the Kenyans fighting against British colonialism. What in fucking hell do they think the Revolutionary War was about? It was to kick out, for good, the British colonialists that wanted to make future Americans subjects to the king and queen and make the 13 colonies another British colony and state. The 2nd Amendment was written with the British in mind. The Star Spangled Banner is about our war against our own experience of British colonialism. When they spoke of "the tree of liberty" they had the Red Coats in mind.

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martinsmithy Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:26:13pm

One would hope that this mess will disqualify Huckabee from any serious consideration as the GOP candidate. But given the state of the party, so admirably covered by Charles in his posts, it may not disqualify Huckabee.

And unfortunately, there are several additional "Huckabees" waiting in the GOP wings, such as Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, etc., hoping to pick up Huckabee's pieces.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:27:12pm

re: #103 Gus 802

Huckabee's dabbling in wingnuttery? It's like fish dabbling in water. Whenever Huck says something sensible, he is dabbling in sanity, not the other way around :P

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:27:43pm

re: #109 martinsmithy

Uh no, it will add him points.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:27:43pm

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Huckabee Criticizes The Media For Covering His "Verbal Gaffe"

"How dare the media notice that I said something, report it accurately, and act as if what I said actually meant something?!?!"

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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:32:30pm

re: #69 prairiefire

I've been keeping up with the comments on the recent 2012 presidential article at Politico. The right wingers are spewing out every Fox talking point as to Obama's impending loss. They are living on their own little planet.

Those people are idiots. A lot of union members vote Republican and the GOP after just two short months in power has handed those voters right to the Democrats in 2012. Especially, in Wisconsin and Ohio.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:33:03pm

The only anti-American I'm seeing here is Bryan Fischer.

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Lidane Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:36:41pm

re: #103 Gus 802

But then again the shoe fits given Huckabee's recent dabling in wingnuttery. So to the Republican Party all I can see is don't waste your money on old Huck'. And at the rate you're going you might as well concede to Obama now and start planning for 2016.

Huck's not a recent dabbler in wingnuttery. He's been a theocrat nutjob from the start. He just happens to be reasonably likable, which makes people blind to his extremism.

Honestly, the best thing for the GOP is to nominate a teabagger and get resoundingly curbstomped in 2012. One of two things will happen after that-- either the party will finally formally split between the moderate/reasonable conservatives and the teabaggers/theocrats, or there will be some attempt at returning to sanity, with the religious bullshit finally pushed to the back burner.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:38:26pm

re: #109 martinsmithy

One would hope that this mess will disqualify Huckabee from any serious consideration as the GOP candidate. But given the state of the party, so admirably covered by Charles in his posts, it may not disqualify Huckabee.

And unfortunately, there are several additional "Huckabees" waiting in the GOP wings, such as Gingrich, Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, etc., hoping to pick up Huckabee's pieces.

I think the GOP field will be much narrower than some seem to think.

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:39:04pm

Thomas Jefferson to William Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.

persevering lying. the British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. yet where does this anarchy exist? where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? and can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure. our Convention has been too much impressed by. . .

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:41:18pm

Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to William S. Smith (13 November 1787)

The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed. The past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is its natural manure.

-- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to William S. Smith (13 November 1787)

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:41:25pm

re: #117 Gus 802

blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure.

Heh.

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:47:39pm

re: #119 Sergey Romanov

Heh.

Wingnuts have a short memory. Here they are carrying around flags with "The Tree of Liberty" yet to they really understand the origin? Or even Gadsen's flag:

In fall 1775, the United States Navy was established to intercept incoming British ships carrying war supplies to the British troops in the colonies. To aid in this, the Second Continental Congress authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines to accompany the Navy on their first mission. The first Marines that enlisted were from Philadelphia and they carried drums painted yellow, depicting a coiled rattlesnake with thirteen rattles, and the motto "Don't Tread On Me." This is the first recorded mention of the future Gadsden flag's symbolism.

Colonies. Colonies with regards to British colonialism. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the typical historical revisionism even with the state of things before and during the Revolutionary War. Especially given their revisionist view of Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War.

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Lidane Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:50:02pm

re: #120 Gus 802

Colonies. Colonies with regards to British colonialism. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the typical historical revisionism even with the state of things before and during the Revolutionary War. Especially given their revisionist view of Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War.

Pfft. Didn't you know that being anti-colonial is only a problem if you're black? There's a reason these assholes are getting bent out of shape over Kenya overthrowing British rule and being anti-colonialist, and it's not because we did the same thing.

It's all about race, nothing more.

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Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:51:58pm

re: #121 Lidane

"anti-colonial" = "Commie". Simple as that.

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Gus Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:52:11pm

re: #121 Lidane

Pfft. Didn't you know that being anti-colonial is only a problem if you're black? There's a reason these assholes are getting bent out of shape over Kenya overthrowing British rule and being anti-colonialist, and it's not because we did the same thing.

It's all about race, nothing more.

It's not about race!!11ty

//Wingnut

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Lidane Wed, Mar 2, 2011 3:52:13pm

re: #69 prairiefire

I've been keeping up with the comments on the recent 2012 presidential article at Politico. The right wingers are spewing out every Fox talking point as to Obama's impending loss. They are living on their own little planet.

They're morons. It's VERY difficult to unseat an incumbent president no matter how much the opposition might hate him.

Those people have convinced themselves that Obama will be easy to beat, and that he's a black Jimmy Carter. They have no sense of perspective, and they don't even know how to properly read Obama if that's what they think.

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Achilles Tang Wed, Mar 2, 2011 4:27:33pm

Perhaps I've missed this, but I keep waiting for something to hit the fan regarding Governor Walker's ban on any city/county deciding to make up any shortfall in state revenue through local taxes.

I thought this would be much bigger than a simple union busting issue.

How do do Republicans think they are opposed to anyone being forced to pay for anything they don't want, and then deny anyone the right to pay for what they might want?

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Renaissance_Man Wed, Mar 2, 2011 4:40:45pm

I think the idea that the Conservative cult media is torpedoing any chances of a Republican President in 2012 is premature.

Yes, far-right fundies make up a minority of the electorate. Yes, screwing unions and a majority of working-class people in general should turn them against you. Yes, incumbents are hard to unseat, especially when centrist and reasonable.

But do not underestimate the power of hate. Seriously, follow cult media just for a bit. Watch FOX, listen to the radio when you're not watching, read the blogs when you're not listening. That's what their followers do. And it is an endless barrage of hate. An assault of sound and fury that is so immersive, so disorienting, and so unceasing that the human psyche will wither and blow away before long. Hate liberals, hate Obama, hate foreigners, hate others, hate them, hate hate hate. And it is addictive beyond measure. No matter how hard you shaft someone, if you can make them hate the other guy more, they will happily vote against their best interests time and again. And they will thank you for hurting them, and making them vote against their best interests, because the single most important thing to them is how much they hate.

No, not every Republican voter will be a hate cultist. But it's not just about making the majority into cultists - that's not possible. It's about repetition, and having hate trickle into the public sphere. I have not talked to anyone in a long while who does not believe at least one of the cultie lies. They may not believe in most of them, but they always believe at least one. And in the American political system, it's not about winning a majority. It's about having your people so monomanic that they show up, and ensuring that everyone else is ambivalent enough not to show. You don't have to become a cultist to not vote. You just have to be ambivalent, and comfortable, and have doubts because of whatever lie you heard.

The best hope is that FOX and the cult media don't really seek political power - that it's not part of their calculus. Because there is definite benefit to them to have an angry, disenfranchised cult base, and thus losing in 2012 may be their preference. The media is the most powerful element in America, bar none. And these days, the entire media narrative is driven by the cult media. Scoff at this at your peril.

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FreedomMoon Wed, Mar 2, 2011 4:49:39pm

Why are these people so hung up on the anti-colonial sentiment? Do they not remember how our country was founded?

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nines09 Wed, Mar 2, 2011 6:12:07pm

re: #126 Renaissance_Man
On the button. And on every radio dial at some time of the day. Non stop. Look at who buys advert space here. Charles gladly takes the money, but the message is everywhere. Hell, you have people who resent the fact that someone, somewhere makes more money than them, but gives a free pass to the corporate debauchery that passes for business practice. Just like Sharron Angles' attack on government health care and the bitch has it along with hubby.
I never got the impression that Huckabee was anything more that the rest of the pack. McCain ain't a maverick and Huck ain't no better than the rest of the loons. If Newt still makes money, what does that tell you? Even after standing with these racists nothing sticks?
Read the comments on a load of sites. Hate and more hate. Simple math. If people hear the same things over and over and over....Must be right, right?
Big 'ol hate machine with big 'ol money behind it.

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theheat Wed, Mar 2, 2011 6:50:36pm

If all the crazy fundie anti-everything shit Huckabilly and Bryan Fischer stand for is considered American, then I don't consider myself very American, either.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Mar 2, 2011 7:26:37pm

re: #129 theheat

If all the crazy fundie anti-everything shit Huckabilly and Bryan Fischer stand for is considered American, then I don't consider myself very American, either.

just imagine all the damaged, stupid people who listen to a guy like Bryan Fischer and take him seriously. Imagine someone who doesn't see a guy like that for what he is

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BongCrodny Wed, Mar 2, 2011 8:20:57pm

re: #126 Renaissance_Man

Watch FOX, listen to the radio when you're not watching, read the blogs when you're not listening. That's what their followers do. And it is an endless barrage of hate. An assault of sound and fury that is so immersive, so disorienting, and so unceasing that the human psyche will wither and blow away before long. Hate liberals, hate Obama, hate foreigners, hate others, hate them, hate hate hate.

The boards on AOL and Yahoo are lousy with stuff like this. Any story about Obama is certain to have at least one racial remark within the first dozen or so comments.

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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Mar 2, 2011 8:36:52pm

I think this is what half of the Republican party hears whenever President Obama speaks.

Youtube Video

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Lib Wingnut Fri, Mar 4, 2011 1:35:21pm

At age 18, Huckabee’s son David was fired by the Scouts as a camp counselor after he and another counselor captured a stray dog, hanged him by the neck, slit his throat and stoned him to death.

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Slap Fri, Mar 4, 2011 1:39:53pm

re: #133 Lib Wingnut

At age 18, Huckabee’s son David was fired by the Scouts as a camp counselor after he and another counselor captured a stray dog, hanged him by the neck, slit his throat and stoned him to death.

1.) How is this relevant?
2.) Is it documented? Where?
3.)If it's not factually documented, what possible purpose does posting this info have? How does it advance discussion?

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Lib Wingnut Fri, Mar 4, 2011 8:21:26pm

Relevance? President Obama is untruthfully and slanderously accused of some evil past Manchurian Candidate-type behavior on a daily basis and you get indignant about a true horror tale of the slobbish spawn of a hillbilly buck-toothed douchebag?

[Link: www.pensitoreview.com...]

Or, Newsweek:

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

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